general-feedback-discussion

[tight iron]

incredible gameplay

[marble quail]

Like they also just need to take Beipi off Deino diet and make them have a mechanic where it like cleans the deino's teeth

Because sometimes deinos just eat you for like 0.5% food

[tight iron]

wouldnt make any difference

[marble quail]

The big ones don't usually but the small ones are annoying

[tight iron]

a deino never kills a beipi for lines unless it's a juvie

[marble quail]

Just eat an elite fish it gives lines but better

[tight iron]

they kill them because oh no something is in my pond/lake/river i must kill it

like deinos eating pteras

well actually like anything besides herreras or troodons killing pteras

[half ravine]

tbh i was nomed by a cero or what have ya just for making a land crossing. sucker must have been DESPERATE as can be. but ya had a croc after me it was a juv. freash spawn so ill give it pops

[tight iron]

he probably just wanted to kill you

happens too much

[half ravine]

and then ya got the herbies who just blood lust

[tight iron]

me when i see a stego thagomize a ptera that was drinking and minding his own business:

[marble quail]

I'm telling you when we get bary, spino and sucho the Beipi is either going extinct or just getting more friend

[tight iron]

well beipi is extinct already

[marble quail]

Beipis for some reason are either friends to everything or food

[half ravine]

its a cute birb so not hard to see friends thing

[marble quail]

I'm excited for when all the dinos are out and you see a Beipi minding it's own business maybe with a couple of babies and the moment you try to go near it a spino, deino, bary and sucho rise from the water and mug you

Beipis really are like bandicoots that are being watched by golden retrievers

Like oh a small defenceless source of food and they a big creature just rips you to shreds for going near their friend

[tight iron]

deino and beipi interactions aer interesting tho

it's either beipi immediately dies or deino does not give a crap about the beipi and the beipi baits people into the water

[marble quail]

No sometimes deino cares about the beipi a lot

[tight iron]

with not give a crap i mean not attack it or bother it yknow

absolutely no reason to kill a beipi as a deino, not even starvation

wtf is like 0.5% food gonna do

[half ravine]

the only ones ill give a respect to is just fresh spawns

[tight iron]

same

[half ravine]

as i did have one hunt my first life as a beipi he did not get me but he did try good

ya got with the mutation enough speed to just avoid predation in wat flat out

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Also really helpful from making the creature performing the execution look threatening

[limber hull]

it was already pinnable?

also galli is still absolutely a menace, especially in herds. Spent yesterday killing every carnivore besides deino as a galli herd (3 gallis)

i think people are very much overblowing how "bad" galli is

i'd argue it's still absolutely one of, if not the strongest playables in the game

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Dead by Daylight :(

oh apparently this guy blocked me too

[urban flax]

I was wondering why you didn't dowvote

[limber hull]

i wonder what i did to them

[still sinew]

@strange quiver that was the assumption - that it would only be available to SOME species

[strange quiver]

To be fair, that wasn't stated... And currently mutations apply to anything, so you have awful things running around like deino/stego/diablo being able to eat to regain hp, the latter never needing to drink, and flat dmg ups.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Yes while I agree sometimes the game doesn't run well it's usually fixed quite easily by lowering or just editing settings also that's great but you know constructive criticism is better than just telling the devs that a game that is being made by one of the most rich gaming companies of all time will run better than a game made by 20 people

#general-feedback message The Ai is actually been quite good recently and there is nearly always flora to eat nearby

Also yes adding 150-200 player servers would be nice but the devs are focusing on other things

[lucid mauve]

Go play on islander, its 210 players. That map is not designed for it atm

[limber hull]

wdym by that?

[lucid mauve]

Everyone squeezed into the middle of the map, and the map itself tells you where to go. Everyone keep ending up the same places

You wanne go up a hill, nope. Go back and follow that road over that bridge etc

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr old NV is never coming back, and having it as an option makes the game exceptionally hard to balance

[jagged meteor]

@barren zephyr actually the new nv looks and feels great, beside the under water NV…
Feels like when they add the new NV they forgot about to check and optimize how it works under water

Deino and beipi are almost unplayable in bigger water areas cuz u cant see anything

[rough wind]

pretty sure its a bug causing that right now

[jagged meteor]

Hope so

[ember blaze]

yo

[inland wind]

@marble quail you down voted the optimization should be top priority post?
You want your Game To Run at 1 FPS?

[limber hull]

woe, strawman upon thee

[junior nymph]

@karmic echo the reason hotspots form is because of people playing the game as a dino deathmatch if you go to southplains on a official server with max players theres corpses everywhere thats not because people cant find food otherwise there would be 0 bodies

also yes I read it all and the others sound fine apart from making map smaller theres places where certain AI spawn for example boar goat and sometimes deer spawn west access and highlands spawns lots of goats

[karmic echo]

Well what I am getting at with that point is that, people don't hotspot at the beach because there isn't good stuff there. South plains is a jack of all trades kind of area, but yes I do know the deathmatch conditions of south plains, but that is BECAUSE there is a hotspot. And I mean, what do you really do in the Isle except deathmatch.. there is nothing else except for exploring which is boring and frustrating due to stamina, and except for that it's just a dinosaur chatroom. But I understand your point yeah!

[junior nymph]

I agree with that I dont hotspot anymore the last time I did it was when east was one and it really takes the life out of the whole map the random spawns helped but did not fix it due to everyone just crying about not being able to spawn at their precious south plains and instead of spawning there they either A:die till they get south or B: run to it. I hate the fact that its just like a dino deathmatch and I feel like I know ways of it not happening.

but with the stam its not thatttt bad personally I have not had issues with it since the gateway update since now its just sprint to 60% and trot till 100 rince and repeat and if you have a fast trot like galli or teno its not really that needed to sprint

this might get backlash but like increase the growth again (FOR bigger things meant for apexes and sub apexes and large mid tiers) and make the food and water drain go slow so you can walk around the whole map not being like wheres food every second

[tame wing]

there is another chat for this #general-feedback message @rain pumice

[rain pumice]

Oh alr didn’t know thanks

[tame wing]

🔥

[unreal ridge]

the fun thing about mods is you can choose which ones you dont want

[orchid pumice]

#general-feedback message @south fable it's not a bug, players can buck just like when a raptor pounces them

[cyan flame]

Did they add the RNG bucking to deino lunge now? Don't recall that being mentioned anywhere?

[orchid pumice]

I was told so by a couple people

[cyan flame]

Huh, interesting. Good to know!

[south fable]

Has it changed now? Because yes, it used to happen that the dino would let go after holding it for a while.
But now it's instantaneous, you hold it and the dino lets go. Attacking is completely meaningless.

[orchid pumice]

I don't know about that. As far as I'm aware, you can buck to get out of a deino's grip but that normally doesn't (and shouldn't) happen instantaneously

[urban flax]

I would take that with a gain of salt, as bucking out of deino's jaws has been a myth for a long time

[orchid pumice]

True, though with random % bucking being added and Uncle's post it could be true, though I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in the patches so who knows

Maybe it is a bug after all

[urban flax]

Deino has been randomly releasing prey from its jaw for a very long time too

Most likely due to desync issues

[orchid pumice]

Can't say I've been there though I'm not surprised this is an issue

[jagged meteor]

Nah it’s just the bug that u release it, if he hit to floor while get grabbed
On some points on the map it’s happen more often on others never

[jagged meteor]

Yeah 👍

No RNG bucking

[midnight heath]

I also don't believe there's any RNG chance with deino lunge, the whole "Hold the invisible E to buck while grabbed" has been a thing since Spiro. I haven't seen any actual source for that claim.

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
It would not force herbi groups to move across the map, it would force them to disband completely because the food is so spread out.
Carnivores would only suffer because they would no longer have information about where the herbivores are and there is not enough AI to sustain them without destroying the servers.
Hotspots are neccesary, the problem is when they dont change which is what the migration and patrol zones fix

[coarse mirage]

makes no sence to dispanm them. you still want to have everyone having fun nesting and playing in groups. carnis would suffer way less than they do now, and even get a choise on how agressive they play.
hotspots are absolut obsolent and they are part of why the system dont work. because of the higher player frequency in one spot you have the nearly whole ai spawn in that spot. makes everyone who really prefair to avoid those spots forced to go to there in order to even survive. hence you have always 90% of the whole map beeing empty and deserted.

and by the way, sooner or later everyone of us needs water. so you will have dozens of little spots instead of one big area

faact is, the system how it is now and the direction it goes, does not work out. if you have a better idea, post it 😉

[rough wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120790649826984056/1290094107200589844/animated_map.gif

sure looks like a lot of the map is being used

[coarse mirage]

yes... by a lot of single players and 3 groups in the southern magic triangle, southplanes, highlands and swamp. north is this death, there doesnt even spawn ai anymore. for what we get a harbour?

i think i understood the devs that they want to create a at least semi realistic game and they want to have players spread out. i repsect if you dont want that, but im sure, some of us others do. and that is my actual opinion on how it could be reached 😉

it would also end all those deth marches where you log in the game, as 100 dino, then you loose it cause you dont find food cause you are not in highlands or southplains.

[marble quail]

No I agree I just didn't like how you said it as it just came off as being an ass

[coarse mirage]

well, i am by times 😉

oops wasnt even for me..

[marble quail]

Also wow a game made by Rockstar will run better than a game made by 20 people

Constructive criticism is 100x more helpful that what you said

Also @coarse mirage your argument doesn't even make sense

First off food already grows everywhere

Also removing the mz an pz removes the reason for players to travel anywhere which is why they are there

[coarse mirage]

not when you think this to an end. lets say, a dibble herd is between southplanes and highlands. then lets say, they need 20 to 30 minutes to eat everything. now you have the by me mentioned repsawn timer for food. they have to move.
carnis want eat herbis. so they have to move with them sooner or later.
and herbis .. dont hung up on the word forced. instead, they get the freedom to decide, do we move north, south, or even way to the east?

what you have at present works not out most of the time. look at islander into the kill death feed, how often players starve

uneccessary

[marble quail]

The devs want food to be a struggle

[steady imp]

Are migration zones showing up

[icy lion]

@wild iron Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[coarse mirage]

no problem, let players struggle. devs still could make a balancing in my system. on top you still can face to go into an aeea where a herd has everything eaten before already.
think even further. you have a diet system that is fully on meta at present. if you make every zone play and survivable, you could use the diet system to adapt your dino to a special enviroment, thst have benefits in and disadvantages outside.
bu this way it will always be a meta system where you have disandvantages against those who use it if you dont.

but i see, the majority doesnt have the imagination to see how it would be ..

so i leave this discussion.

best is, let everybody spawn southplanes, make it a deathmatch zone, no ai, delete the rest of the obsolent map, pvpvpvpvpvp, is all what seems to matter to most.

[coarse mirage]

and for my last post, i bet, the no voters are in majority not evenm ptera players, just bothered by the idea that a ptera could become more than just occasionally annoying. as if i did not had seen that coming 😂

[limber hull]

you keep bringing up science but pteras literally were piscivores

if you want a big hunting flying creature, that'll be quetz

ptera is already confirmed getting a whole rework, possibly next update, that'll turn it into a more arboreal/terrestrial animal which uses air currents to fly around

[coarse mirage]

im not saying i should be the next big cera killer with 2 or 3 of fellow birds you know? but bro.. look at the state and then tell me, it isnt worth it to ask for something better 😉

[limber hull]

it's getting something better, just not the hunter route. they're still keeping it as a non-hunter animal iirc

[coarse mirage]

and even if we go away from ptera, and take a look at scavengers. is it to much to ask for a scavenger to be able to eat dead bodys?
but i get it. most are feared that our headnuts some day actual do anything more than just make you go squeeking

the channel is named genral-feedback. that was mine.

and if more birds would open their mouthes, we might would get to somewhere, like all of you rest do too. so, mr raptor, please, feedback to what you are playing and what you like to face in game, and let me do my part for my favourite 😉

[limber hull]

brother i never said you weren't allowed to give feedback

[wintry whale]

I main ptera, hypsi, troodon, and dryo

[coarse mirage]

it is to me a bit of comedy to be honest with you guys.
"cera needs yaddayadda". majority goes yesss, cer ahaters who rare playing cera going no.
"raptor needs pinpounce" majority goes yesss, raptor haters who rare playing raptors going no.
"herra needs one shot raptor" majority goes yesss, herra haters who rare playing herra going no.
ptera comes around the corner .. "excuse me? guys? would you be so kind, may i play with you too? just a little bit, pretty please?" everyone goes shut up and fo eat s*t you little fekka ...

[latent olive]

what

[wintry whale]

I think I’ve been strawmanned for clicking ❌

[barren crater]

Higher biteforce ptera... nah

[lilac bolt]

There no need for it have it

[barren crater]

Well maybe I'd be fine if they allow creatures to attack upwards

[coarse mirage]

i talk general, not indicidual. i dont look for who votes for what. i just dont get why not main ptera players are always so against everything a ptera ever ask for. like, i must have missed a hell of a bird attack when the birdy was new in game?

[wintry whale]

My main issue with ptera is the god awful regen time for stam

[coarse mirage]

yessss ^^^^

[lilac bolt]

Yeah if they reduced that it'd probably play quite a bit better compared to what we have now

[wintry whale]

I’m interested to see how the ptera changes work out

[coarse mirage]

now we getting constructive 🙂

[wintry whale]

And those thermal drafts that were shown off would be cool, going to organize a mario cart race with pteras around the island

[lilac bolt]

Yeah I just hope they don't make ptera too terrestrial since I know that was at least part of the goal

[coarse mirage]

well, to be able to fly from swamp to highland without 12 minutes reg till i can start to fish there would be a good start

[wintry whale]

Depending on the part of swamp, it’s doable

[coarse mirage]

true, but i think you get what i mean. its just to long. i dont even compare that i have to land often, thats ok. others need chances to catch me. but sitting there like ages is no fun

but the ability to fight at least a little is important too.
do you know why you sometimes have those absolut stupid kamikaze birds coming at you, you pounce them out of the air and wonder what he thought what he will reach with that?
i can explain.
they are boooooored after days of not facing any serious danger, after nesting a couple of times, and they dont care anymore, they want to die. at that point, they want to be rather you then to be them selves.
and my post is speaking to that.
it dont must be this way.

[pure tinsel]

why nobody wants dodos in the isle 🦤

[coarse mirage]

they are bird haters all together 😂
no serious... why making the sytem more heavy with new ai when the actual existing ones are broken at present?

[pure tinsel]

I mean, in the future maybe, or replace chickens with dodos

I don't see chickens anymore anyways

[coarse mirage]

good idea.. chickes are so small and silent, i found 1 in 4 monthes. dodos you can spot more easy 🙂

[limber hull]

chickens are loud as hell last i saw them. they cluck and squawk like they're fighting for their life

[boreal briar]

@sinful vessel they're in development. They have talked about it a few times.

It's not just going to be a weird bump on the ground, they plan on doing (I think) an expandable burrow. It's gonna take way more time than just making a mound on the ground that make AI disappear when they go "in" it.

It's going to take time.

[shy girder]

could someone tell me the updated growth times since the changes to carno etc?

[vital laurel]

@stuck chasm its a GeForce now issue, not a isle issue afaik, geforce just doenst support steam beats anymore but boosteroid does

[stuck chasm]

I've never heard of boosteroid I'll give it a look

Although, GeForce works with legacy, it doesn't accept betas.

So if they switched over Evrima to be the actual one then it would work.

legacy is taken over by bots and others anyway 😞 hard to play

[vital laurel]

yeah i hope evrima gets swapped soon

[vague ledge]

#general-feedback message @quasi flare charc is planned already

[sinful vessel]

I know it is, but right now barely, barely anyone plays dryo. I think more people play hypsi in comparison. I’m not saying to use the old burrow and keep it forever, but I’m saying just for now have it as a place holder. I agree with you they’re working on it, and I’m super excited for it, but like it would help dryo pop at least reach hypsi levels lmao.

[urban flax]

Current taco and rabbit burrow isn't even functional
It just serves to hide the fact they run under the map and despawn

[runic crater]

The issue with random spawn is the same issue legacy had, people want to be in a certain area and thier just going to spawn-kill themselves-repeat until they get where they like

[boreal briar]

Why would they want to put in a bunch of work and testing for a placeholder? It will be better for them to use the time making the actual mechanic. There's always going to be a least played dinosaur, just have patience and Dryo will be swanky soon enough.

@barren zephyr in the server browser, select the drop-down that says Official or something similar. There should be an option for unofficial servers. Find one with semi-realism rules maybe?

[tight iron]

@boreal briar it really doesn't take long to write patch notes

and yes ive written things 5-10 times longer than rhag6

might be annoying but so is everything else atp tbh

"fixed this bug, this other one, a multitude of small server issues that caused performance issues" instead of "fixed things"

[wooden agate]

It's important to note that using the beta's does technically go against Boosteroid TOS, and you can have your account banned from Boosteroid if you do it. Although it hasnt happened to me yet, it IS a risk.

[icy lion]

@late flare What do you mean?

[tight iron]

p sure it's spawn locations

[icy lion]

That was my first guess but it's worded oddly to me

[late flare]

about the respawns?

[icy lion]

I'm not sure what you're suggesting in that post

[late flare]

I was talking about how we need the respawns to return to the game since it was something super important for the players, and many people would love for them to return.

[wooden agate]

You mean being able to select your spawn location?

in that case, ❌

[late flare]

yeah

[eternal zinc]

what do we think of underwater deinosuchus calls? #general-feedback message

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Haha noOOOOOOOO

It's already massive and just making it bigger is silly it has it's place and it should stay there

[steady imp]

horde shipping??

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Galli is faster than Carno also a pack of Gallis destroys a single fg Carno

But yeah acceleration like that would be cool also Galli also already has acceleration mechanics, also Gallis in groups can 1 call and be way faster than Carno

Also Carno runs out of stam before it catches Galli

[limpid dock]

The issue is that there aren't enough galli players to make a substantial pack, the absolute maximum I've found is 4. And sure they can buff each other's speed. But that was only one example. I'm terrified of diablo, stegosaurus, and pachy being rex kibble because they can't outrun a rex, and they obviously can't fight one.

[marble quail]

Yeah Galli needs to be more played people just don't play Omnivores

[marble quail]

Pachy might be able to fracture Rex's leg and get out of there

[limpid dock]

Idk, a single rex alt bite and pachy is toast

[marble quail]

Also Stego and Diablo have no chance of catching you

[limpid dock]

I mean a rex catching a stego and diablo

[marble quail]

Yeah true but I think this is just an example of the hide situation

[limpid dock]

But you can't practically hide for your entire life cycle, you need food, water, and what fun is the game if you're forced into a bush for your entire life

Herbie's overall are underplayed, and that's kind of a problem. It totally unbalances the ecosystem

[marble quail]

Yeah you just need to be cautious

Yeah true Carnis also get consistent buffs meanwhile Stego has been nerfed into the ground because raptor players think they should be able to hunt a stego

[limpid dock]

Hahaha yeah

[north quiver]

@thin totem if rex is not a cannibal and can’t get the cannibal mutation, they’ll weed themselves out and starve before even reaching adulthood because there will be little to no food for them and food competition will be brutal for how much food I’d imagine they take

also, I’d imagine the server will be able to support only so many trikes because of how migrations don’t scale with how many herbivores are on the server

but if rex is a cannibal or can get the cannibal mutation… honestly yea you’ll be seeing a lot of rexes past freshspawn stage lol

[sudden sleet]

honestly i just hope they add hypsi climbing before rex so i can climb a tree and spit in the face of the apex

[thin totem]

Yeah but that food they'll all be fighting over will be every other player who decided to not grow a rex and thats what I wanna avoid XD

[north quiver]

I’d be very concerned if rex had the capability of reliably catching most of the current roster lol

ideally rexes not in adolescence stage or above should be very vulnerable and weak so it’s added difficulty

I personally want younger stages to rely mostly on scavenging because they can’t hunt very well (either prey is too fast/agile or too strong if the prey is slower). you’ll see less rexes that way. will it be brutal to play rex? oh yeah

will it decrease the number of big rexes you see? oh yeah

[coarse mirage]

for what you discuss rexes? it isnt even to be sniff on the far distand horizon yet. you see yourself that the ai system as it is now dont support anything big. as today, it doesnt even support crocs. devs should to a huge bugfix update only before working further on any new content is what i feel.

[icy lion]

Rex is currently in development and is one of the next dinos to release

[coarse mirage]

yes, the mars mission is in developement too. doenst mean that theres bigger things to solute than to choose who will be the pilot

not bigger*

isle is not rockstar, its a small studio of hard working people. with limited capacys, and for that, the game is already a awesome job. but things need to be fixed in some corners first

and i seen bigger games failing becaause bugs were not adressed and fixed as long as they are able to. when you build on bugs, you sooner or later cant fix some things anymoe without to break the whole system.

[limber hull]

bugfixing and working on new creatures are two different tasks that can be done at the same time

game development is not just a one-track, one task at a time deal

[coarse mirage]

with just around 20 ppl there should be made some prioritys.

[mild isle]

I’m pretty sure all of the devs have their own priorities- likely based on their abilities, as you can see in the devblogs the devs all seem to have their own duties and some may not know how to reliably patch bugs on a different thing than they’re working on like another can

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Keyword is probably and that might just be short term and they balance them and readd them

[limber hull]

@limpid breach herrera is not supposed to be semi-aquatic

[limpid breach]

Then why can it dive and has fish on its diet? Kinda odd

I just think the smaller animal that can dive and has fish on its diet would be same speed or slightly faster swim than the large land animal

I understand Cerato is kinda supposed to use water to escape larger threats but damn, I just feel like Herrera should at least be the same speed as cerato in the water, Herreras swim speed is honestly pretty slow in general

[latent olive]

the diving was intended to allow it to sneak over to seastacks and other areas where pteranodons are resting

eating fish, cos it can dive underwater

i also dont know why they made it swim so slow

[limpid breach]

That’s fair ig, idk it still just seems so odd why it’s so slow

[coarse spruce]

I believe water breaching should be a beipi exclusive, it'll be an advantage in it's kit that austro won't be able to compete with #general-feedback message

[limber hull]

i personally want austro to have an omnidirectional "pounce dart" ability where it moves swiftly in wherever the camera is facing to latch onto any creature it hits, and only through this ability can it breach

[coarse spruce]

Fine by me, as long as beipi has a consistent and reliable flight instead of fight option

Which in this case would be breach assisted swimming

[full pewter]

@vale pawn personally I think it’s best only Beipi has breach, if austro can do everything Beipi can but better than what’s the point of Beipi?

[vale pawn]

Fair

I just thought it be cool to see Austro catching Pteranodons from the water

[wooden agate]

i actually thought of something somewhat similar

let me see if i can find it

[wooden agate]

tldr; a way for austro to scuddle up the sides of rocks like a mini herrera climb from the water

ideally to help it get away from things like deino and bary when in rivers similar to the river from NE lake and water access river

[vale pawn]

Funny bc i made a suggestion identical to that BUT for bary 💀

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/rhaenyra-targaryen-queen-hotd-slap-gif-11654958307748679687

NO! austro ONLY!

@maiden steppe #general-feedback message planned

[vale pawn]

Why must thy endlest richest be held for only thy king, as the people whom make his kindgom prosperous shall get some riches as well

[wooden agate]

im going to canni you as herrera again

[vale pawn]

Too bad im playing hypsi

[maiden steppe]

ah nice. I can delete that then so I can just have what I originally came to post

[full pewter]

That would be funny admittedly, but I’m sure they’ll be plenty high enough jumpers on land

[vital laurel]

Devblog seems pretty cool, I’m not 100% sure I understand what dondis first paragraph means exactly

Wrong chat lol

I love discord mobile

[maiden steppe]

Ptera / hypsi / beipi + deino symbiosis when?
jk, but it would be kinda funny to see a beipi sitting inside a deino's mouth and cleaning it's teeth.

Beipi could get some food from doing it, and the deino could get a speed bonus after being cleaned.

@silver creek AI is actually pretty abundant right now. There's more AI than I've ever seen before. (on officials anyway)
I normally play on Petit Pieds and they have turned AI waaay down for some stupid reason, but by default it is fine right now.

In saying that, I wouldn't be against giving fresh juvie carnivores something to eat in sanctuaries.
Just by giving the option would make them more active meaning more juvie fights.

[silver creek]

Ive seen tons of boars but absolutely 0 deer or goats. Ive heard some tacos too but they arent even on carnos diet for some reason

[maiden steppe]

Oh they are around. I've even seen some rabbits, and a chicken recently.

Lol, yeah taco not being on carno diet is silly considering it's supposed to be a small game hunter.

[silver creek]

neither are goats😢 carnos only line diet realistically is dilos but ive noticed of shortage of those too

[coarse mirage]

and again comedy. i wriite anything about pteras, the first red cross comes in faster than a human is even able to read.
maybe i should say, take the whole species out of the game? that migh be a yay vote for you haters?
redicilous 🤣

[limber hull]

i dont think they're downvoting the ptera thing

probably more to do with the poop

[dark nymph]

so people still want to keep the floppy tail physics

elaborate

[urban flax]

Maybe if your suggestions about ptera were actually good people would upvote them ?

[limber hull]

how about you ask for pteras to be removed next, because then you'll realise it isn't ptera that's the problem

[dark nymph]

general feedback is just a circus at this point where actual decent feedback is overlooked at and crappy feedback that doesn't benefit the game both visually and mechanically get the most upvotes

[limber hull]

that feels like a matter of opinion

name one feedback with tons of upvotes that doesn't benefit the game?

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware there had been any decent feedback recently

[dark nymph]

lemme see

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Oh yeah there's this one
It's always been jarring me how most creatures can reach their top speed near instantaneously

[dark nymph]

#general-feedback message

[frank tapir]

I was just about to say that one lol

[frank tapir]

that's just unnecessary

[dark nymph]

yea I know

yet it has 36 upvoters

[limber hull]

i can see the benefit, especially for beipis who might wanna hear their biggest threat by chance

[dark nymph]

as if a 8 ton animals in a narrow river isn't already hard to spot

[limber hull]

i mean... you cant hear it if you're above water

same as beip

[dark nymph]

I mean deino is supposed to be a stealthy animal underwater

takes away the whole point if you accidentally one call underwater and some beipi hears it and warns a group of herbivores

[limber hull]

every other creature can be heard, why not deino

if you accidentally one call as ANYTHING, your ambush should be screwed

[dark nymph]

yea but have you ever heard a crocodile making noise underwater?

bellowing is only done at the surface or on land

[frank tapir]

they do make noise underwater

[limber hull]

then deino shouldn't be able to communicate underwater, because it can't "speak"

[dark nymph]

yea that's a major design flaw

I give you that

[limber hull]

if they change that, i'm fine with it

i just dislike the telepathy deino gets

[dark nymph]

people will find a workaround anyways even if they removed it entirely

[lucid mauve]

I mean herrera is the only one who can communicate without making a noise i think, but if talk in chat it should make a sound

[tight iron]

@merry ore uh what

thats always been the case

do you use headsets or something when playing the game

[merry ore]

The sound system is bad, the only thing you can tell while playing is whether the dino is far away or not (although slightly confusing in certain cases) but overall it's difficult to determine the origin of the sound.

I use Headphone

[tight iron]

uhh no...?

[merry ore]

Uh yes

[tight iron]

your headphones are awful then

[merry ore]

Nuh uh

[tight iron]

yuh uh

never seen anyone have any issues with determining the direction of a sound

cause it is crystal clear

it's either your headphones or your pc/laptop

[merry ore]

Because most people just sniff to find something, lmao.

[tight iron]

you can hear for example a stego 1 calling and, if you're experienced enough, immediately pinpoint the location of the dino

[tight iron]

tracking system is so bad you cant use it to find people

[merry ore]

Even so, the sound is quite confusing and difficult to determine the origin considering that in almost all directions the sound intensity is the same.

[tight iron]

when playing in a vc it's always the same; stego 1 call "stego in highlands lake wanna go for him?"

[tight iron]

that's your sound device, it's really not

[merry ore]

It's quite simple, wherever the sound is not coming from, it will be considerably lower and the closer your screen is to the origin, the greater the intensity of the sound, it's not that bad.

[tight iron]

yeah but that's exactly what happens right now

you're suggesting something already implemented

[merry ore]

No

[tight iron]

yes

[merry ore]

If that were the case, most people wouldn't be voting positively on my suggestion, I've already made one before.

[tight iron]

doesnt have to be that way

and uh 30 ppl does not get anywhere close to the over 1.6 million sales this game has

[merry ore]

Just because you have the ear of a bat to tell the difference between 1,000 sound points vs 1,001 doesn't mean everyone is the same, sound is still confusing and many people are guided by smell.

[tight iron]

sounds are really not confusing tho, you need to upgrade whatever you're using for sound

most people are guided by sound not by smell

cause if ppl were guided by smell, it would be scavenge simulator

[merry ore]

No, they are confusing, do you rotate your camera? If you rotate it, the sound will sound the same in all directions.

[tight iron]

no it doesnt...

you must not have locatinoal sound enabled in your headset

[merry ore]

The smell literally revealing migration and food:

[tight iron]

you find ppl by sound not by smell

[merry ore]

You find people by smell and MIGRATION

[tight iron]

usually no

cause you cant smell where ppl go you can only see or hear it

till they make a better tracking system

[marble quail]

I can smell people

[tight iron]

do you smell their footprints or something

[marble quail]

No I just sniff them

[merry ore]

Is there a carcass nearby? Potential players, is there a migration? Potential players (scent)

Sound is just one way to tell which animal it is, you will almost never know its actual location until it comes into your field of vision.

[marble quail]

Are we talking about real life or The Isle

[tight iron]

the isle

[marble quail]

Oh nvm then you can't smell people

[tight iron]

sound is the primary way you guide yourself to potential prey

it's the most precise manner

check your headset configuration or watch some youtube videos, what you suggest is already implemented

and has always been tbh

[merry ore]

No? I survive normally without sounds

[tight iron]

im talkin about finding people when movin around the map

[merry ore]

The sound does not help in locating people, it works more to know if they are far away from the players or not and which animal it is.

[tight iron]

it really does

again, it's your headset that doesn't work correctly

[merry ore]

My Jesus Christ so you are a damn bat to know the difference between 1,000 vs 1,001 sound frequency

Because overall, the sound navigation system in the game still sucks.

[tight iron]

my man 😭

im telling you it works perfectly, the issue is your headset

[merry ore]

NUH UH

[tight iron]

it's not about me having above average hearing capabilities, which i do have, it's your headset that's failing miserably

if i can perfectly track someone with a single sound then it means that it must be your sound, not mine

cause i need some basic information such as location and stuff which i get just from moving my camera

so it just cant be the game's sound but it must be your sound

[merry ore]

"I can perfectly track someone with a single sound"

[tight iron]

wtf is that

but either way, if i can do that then it's your sound

[merry ore]

A quiet place bruh

[tight iron]

spinnin

[merry ore]

My Jesus Christ you say that with a damn sound you Track someone

It's because you're a bat/A quiet place creature.

[tight iron]

it means my sound works normally

[merry ore]

I hunt by scent exclusively

[tight iron]

so youre playing on extra hardcore mode at this point

[merry ore]

Well, I've been very much alive.

[tight iron]

yus

i just do everything by sound

[tight iron]

spinnin

[unique mirage]

nah the tracking system is so bad you literally cant hunt by smell unless you actively seek out mixpacks, sound is the only valid option here

[merry ore]

You literally just need to click Q on a footprint and sniff it out 😭

[mild isle]

Pressing Q on a footprint has never worked for me so far lol but I haven’t had issues with sound- tweaked some settings on headset and it isn’t that hard to pinpoint direction

I’m not sure why but with my headset if I have it connected on bluetooth the sound feels like it’s coming from all directions but if I remove it from the bluetooth and just use the headset usb the sound goes back to normal and I have no issue tracking things by sound

[tight iron]

^^

[unique mirage]

yeah if you already fought someone, i never once came across a random footprint in the wild i could use to follow someone

[merry ore]

You will usually see at least one footprint when you are chasing someone, if you lose sight of them the footprints will lead straight to them.

[unique mirage]

they will lead to next set of footprints actually

but yeah i didnt mean that tracking a dino you are already hunting is the problem, finding one to hunt requires sound

[merry ore]

You just need to walk where the animal walked, obviously you will hardly find a footprint without having seen the dino.

[merry ore]

In fact, to find a dinosaur you just need to go to an area like migration to find them, sounds only guarantee that there are animals nearby and what type of animal it is, but it is difficult to determine the exact origin of sound.

At least for me, because the sound intensity is the same in all directions

[unique mirage]

imo the origin of sound is quite easy to locate unless you hunt ai, istg they always sound the same and the directional sound is only good at longer range

[maiden steppe]

My god man, you'd think at some point you'd figure out that you are wrong.
Maybe your headset is scuffed.
Maybe your ears are bad from listening to Justin Beiber.
Doesn't matter.
Directional sound is already in the game.
There is a very obvious difference as to where the sound is coming from when rotating camera.

Now distance and sound depth? Those the game is awful at, and I have posted feedback for that. But DIRECTIONAL sound it perfectly fine right now.

I mean this genuinely, if you cannot hear any difference when rotating your camera while something is calling, then please go to a hearing doctor.

Here's the link to my post about sound depth
#general-feedback message

[inland vigil]

I find it very easy to pinpoint direction of sound with headphones on personally, but I also know someone who can't use audio for direction at all. I think it's a headset or settings thing

[gaunt rose]

I feel like Pteras should regenerate stamina a lot faster than what they do. I also feel the amount of stamina spent to fly is too much. These are creatures that literally spent most of their time soaring over the ocean looking for fish.

And scavenging for carcasses

[tight iron]

youre not wrong

[unreal ridge]

Ptera can lose stamina the fastest out of all creatures, a record it holds pretty much indefinitely

Ascend while sprint flying

[gaunt rose]

and than you gotta stay landed somewhere for so long before you even have full Stam back, and they have no mutations that help increase stam or lower stam consumption. that I know of anyways im still new but ive played on and off for awhile

this is in no way shitting on the game i thoroughly enjoy being a dino. it itches a part of my brain

[lucid sinew]

Never thought I’d see the day when the Isle Evirma is getting consistent with production.

[bronze nymph]

But that Suggestion is Just Bad, it would be so broken for people to be smellable, Imagine a ptera Marks you and oh suddenly a whole Pack of omnis finds you and Kills you, what a cool way to die cause you couldnt even hide

[odd nimbus]

What yall think of an oceania server?

Is that just Au?

[tight iron]

au is the australian one so uh

[wooden agate]

you wrote something that specifically makes it easier to pteranodons to scout for mixpackers which the devs are so unbelievably against that they have PT the worst stam regen in the game

i'm not surprised most people downvoted it

[boreal briar]

Yeah I down voted it for that reason. Can imagine how God awful it would be with the mix packers. They're already back to being a good scout with stamina regen while latched.

[icy lion]

Let the flying animal place a scent marker on a living player, surely this won't go poorly

[merry ore]

Hey Bro, I don't think I saw anything related but do the Devs plan to improve the sound system in the future?

I only ask this because you are a moderator, so maybe you have some proximity to them to talk about this lol.

[icy lion]

I remember Kissen mentioned that a lot of their sound setup got wrecked when they moved to UE5 and they're still cleaning up and making improvements to it

[merry ore]

Aahhh so that's why the sound seems the same in every direction we look?
(Roars and IA sounds)

[icy lion]

I don't experience that, have you somehow disabled stero sound?

[merry ore]

At least for me and many people we have this problem, except some people with bat hearing lmao

[merry ore]

Oh idk, let me see here.

[maiden steppe]

I cant believe we are back at this.
You don't need bat hearing to tell the difference.
Either your audio settings are messed up, your headphones are bad, or you have actually terrible hearing.

[merry ore]

Sir, it's the game itself lol, it's no wonder my suggestion got a lot of votes

Do you want an example of a game with good use of sounds that allows you to know the direction of an animal?

Primal Carnage, I don't even have this problem with Primal carnage.

[frank tapir]

I think a lot of people just said yes to yours because they assumed it's a problem, and there's no downsides to fixing it if it is a problem

[wary tapir]

Subject:
The islands on Evirma

Suggestions:
Wondering if there is a way to add ai to the islands as well as a couple more walkable land points to better connect them to the main land.

Reasoning:

The islands are also a part of the world of evirma. They hold potential to be a nesting grounds for all types as long as a few changes could be made or added. I went over to the biggest island by east plains as a sub adult omniraptor and explored the island. I was sad to see there was no food I could locate to stay alive. After exploring for a while I decided I needed to go back to the main land for food. Taking the same route I went to get on the biggest island I drowned due to lack of stamina. This was due to the fact i had grown to the adult stage and the stamina drain was faster. So the addition of a small landing in between would be fantastic. If only to allow the player to get stamina back. It would also make it to where more players would go out further to those locations.

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message Someone hasn't nested before

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
what is with people and DbD skillchecks lately

i agree RNG buck bad but skillcheck buck worse imho

[indigo gulch]

At least one of those is in your own hands I suppose

[tight iron]

@thorn canyon they thought about that and decided that it's too abusable

people in this game wouljd do everytihng to grief other players, even if it involves killing themselves

so people would just spawn and get near someone so they get debuffed, then call their non-debuffed mixpacking buddies and it'd be an easy kill

[thorn canyon]

then get more in game admins that destroy them its killing the game

[tight iron]

they said they're always thinking of new ways and have been trying some, but ultimately they all failed

[tight iron]

im sure nobody would mind letting admins slay them all

[limber hull]

i would, because then comes the tough world of what the hell constitutes as mixpacking

[tight iron]

and yes i agree, as we speak im, with other people, trying to kill a mixpacking group of 10+ people

[limber hull]

when i watch a bastard stego try to kill a diablo for no reason before some ceratos roll up and finish the job, does that constitute as mixpacking? No, the stego was just being an ass, and the cerato took advantage of it

[tight iron]

for example that wouldnt count as mixpacking

however, this scene would

[north quiver]

this scene makes me want to smash the h button and break it to log out and hope none of them have ESP even though I’m not even in game right now

[tight iron]

almost all of them were brutally murdered

the remaining ones were the stego and the dibble

[north quiver]

good

very good

[tight iron]

and with brutally murdered i mean 4 carnos beat the living crap outta everyone

bruh theyre back at it again

nevermind thats pachies

[north quiver]

yea honestly sounds about right. carnos are beasts against everything except stegos, dibbles, and deinos

[tight iron]

specially 4 carnos

[north quiver]

if one good carno can demolish small packs of omnis and ceras by doing drive-bys, 4 is annihilation

[tight iron]

yup, all of us were doing exactly what you just said

[junior nymph]

@tight iron apart from the growth standpoint of my feedback what else do you not like?

[tight iron]

pretty much only teh growth to be honest

people have lives, work, etcetera, 12 hours is just... way too much

[junior nymph]

I was meaning for it to be like a week thing lol

[tight iron]

taking a week to grow a rex... damn

[limber hull]

i get that tho

[tight iron]

i mean i get it i guess but it just seems excessive to me

[limber hull]

like, i dont like the idea of everything needing to be grown in one play session. 12 hours seems a lil excessive tho

[tight iron]

i undersatnd that it's so powerful that you want it to be a cancer to grow, and, to some degree, i dont disagree

[limber hull]

unless it's 12 hours without diet buffs

[tight iron]

but 12 hours... sheesh

[junior nymph]

would you be satisfied to get it full adult after pain and struggling of trying to adult and when you do its like you feel satisfied 🙂

[tight iron]

oh i absolutely would

[junior nymph]

depends on the OP ness of rex though tbh

[tight iron]

i see no issues with making its growth a complete pain in the ass, but 12 hours is too much imo

[junior nymph]

bump it down to 10? or 9?

[limber hull]

i personally dont like the idea of justifying rex being insufferable to deal with because it takes forever to grow.

balance the rex. make its grow time long, but not that long. done

[tight iron]

well im not a fan of long growth times so probably 7

[junior nymph]

I can agree on that 🙂 but how long for elder?

[tight iron]

pretty sure 7 is basically insufferable alraedy

[tight iron]

well crap thats an amazing question

[junior nymph]

lol

[limber hull]

we dont even know the general rule for how elders are obtained, so who knows

[tight iron]

ive no idea how long anything will take

genuinely no clue

so im unable to think about the timing

[junior nymph]

i was thinking stupid idea will get hate cause time but like half the growth of the animal

[tight iron]

i mean, i honestly think it probably will be a 2nd growth

maybe 1/3rd, half or the entire thing agagin

[junior nymph]

and I do think nesting SHOULD play a part in it to like boost the players nesting but thats only if you want the best elder possible

[limber hull]

nah, i'd say that's too short

[junior nymph]

two thirds?

[limber hull]

another full growth cycle imho

because otherwise we have hypsis flat out dying within minutes of becoming adult

[junior nymph]

lol

[tight iron]

i wonder if elders will be optional or not

or if you'll elder whether you like it or not

[junior nymph]

i think its elder non optional

[tight iron]

probably will

[junior nymph]

All creatures will age on the island but the elder is where strength meets experience. For those that have maintained a quality existence throughout their lives, the reward will come in the form of an elder: a peak representation of the species. This is a stronger and more capable age state than a healthy adult. For those creatures ineligible or incapable of reaching elder status, a slow decline into a frail elder stage is all that awaits but the choice is yours. (dev blog)

[urban flax]

I would have elder growth times not entirely tied to a dino's normal growth time
Hypsi could go from adult to elder in one to 2 hours, while for example stego wouldn't take an extra 6 hours but only 4 hours

[junior nymph]

I hope this means exploring and not just sitting in a bush 24/7 to achieve perfect elder

[limber hull]

you get to choose if you die of old age or not, but you're getting old, like it or not

and given how senior is just worse than adult, you'll probably have to die at some point

[junior nymph]

and afk growing will lead to a slow decline into a frail elder

[tight iron]

i see

[limber hull]

senior, but yea

[junior nymph]

I feel like some people will hate elder system and some will love it like with the random spawn stuff

and diets

also going back to rex I did say 12 hours also cause it would be like playing 3 different creatures

[unique mirage]

yeah nah, 12 is way too long

[rapid viper]

Game optimization, thats all i need except rex 🙏

[junior nymph]

what specs do you have?

[rapid viper]

1650 gtx, ryzen 5000 seriesI shouldnt be able to run it, but before the most recent update i got 60 fps in places like highlands when nobody is near, but now i get about 10-30 when nobody is near

So its not crazy that its so low, with my specs its normal, but its barely playable compared to before

[icy lion]

Have you tried clearing the config and readjusting the settings? Are your Windows version and GPU driver updated?

[rapid viper]

I tried all this, turned all the settigns to low, updated my gpu and windows, deleted the folders i had to delete but still it barely goes up

[junior nymph]

I mean I get 60 in hotspots with like a rtx 3050 and a ryzen 7 5700X on high and epic settings

[rapid viper]

I got 60 fps with all graphics on low and 3d res on 50

unless i want my game look like a potato i wont be able to play

[junior nymph]

whats the resolution?

[rapid viper]

Its kinda obvious those r the specs your supposed to have

[junior nymph]

fr lol

[rapid viper]

I use 1920x1080, but lower just makes it look like poop and also barely does anything

[junior nymph]

yeah same I use DLSS though so I can get higher frames with it looking great native kinda sucks lol

[rapid viper]

The point is that i could use the settings on all low and resolution on 1920x1080 and get 15-30 fps when with a lot of people/bodies and 60 when alone, but after the "big" update that happened recently, its just 10-20 fps constantly

[rapid viper]

Im on a laptop so i cant use DLSS, i think atleast, another reason why it isnt strange that i can barely run it now

[junior nymph]

I got a friend with the same specs as you pretty much and yeah he runs around the same as you

[junior nymph]

it can also be disk clutter and memory use and all that

[rapid viper]

Ye was planning on buying new memory, but i have 200+ GB left so i dont think its that

[junior nymph]

go on task manager and see what disk usage you are getting

[rapid viper]

A lot of people have same specs as me, but they all use those specs in pc's, which makes a huge difference which means it isnt really our fault but more the update and how THICK it is and stuff

disk jumps between 0-2, but im not on atm

Unless i wanna start a gofund me, i just have to quit the game again

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[boreal briar]

@vital laurel maybe they could start an animation that we could cancel. That'd be nicer than smashing my E key into oblivion to quickly open a corpse

[vital laurel]

Yes

[vague belfry]

i half agree with @night obsidian, i like the laying down without sleeping bit, mostly for rp. but, the water draining thing might get annoying if my water tanks from trying to escape something

[abstract narwhal]

@barren zephyr wdym? Diet doesn’t show up for you sometimes?

If anything it might be a client sided issue

[wintry whale]

There’s a bug where your preferred diet will just disappear, it sucks

[abstract narwhal]

Oof :/

Oh, I know what you mean. It happened with my Deino a long time ago

[barren zephyr]

idk why my feedback was deleted though

[icy lion]

Bugs go in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[barren zephyr]

its my genuine feedback for how you can make your game better (playable)

[icy lion]

Let me rephrase then.

We expect posts in the feedback channel to be both constructive and descriptive. "Fix this issue" fails to comply with that

[barren zephyr]

fix the issue though

[icy lion]

Report it so the devs have more info to get it fixed

[barren zephyr]

but its not exactly a niche bug

[abstract narwhal]

@wary flower cool I’m stuck with 10 :P

At least yours is playable 😭

[inland vigil]

Fr 💀 I play at 10-25 max

[limpid bear]

Can you pls fix this thing with the food bugging out so you cant eat... all diets buggs and you cant eat it.....

[lucid mauve]

#general-feedback message Whats stopping me for asswhopping the rex while he pins my friend ?

[limber hull]

probably the ridiculous amount of health it has

[lucid mauve]

Still the rex shouldt be bleeiding like a pig or full of venom cus his using its ability, for free.

[barren crater]

hmm

Sorry I don't get what you mean

🤔

[lucid mauve]

Meaning if rex pins you, and im walking past as dilo and i can like. Let me bite this rex a few times while he pins this dibble

[limber hull]

yes, you can

there's nothing stopping you from doing that

[lucid mauve]

Shouldt be, thats free hits then. Without a risk, and the rex would need to let go of the pin. And if the dibble can just stand up and run away just dumb

[limber hull]

thats why rex prefers solo prey

[lucid mauve]

lol

[limber hull]

you cant make the rex magically invincible while grabbing something

besides, rex is tanky enough to take a few hits

[lucid mauve]

Imagine, rex ambushing and like. Damn they are two, i cant attack

[limber hull]

it can. it'll just take hits

[bronze nymph]

Depends on the Size He can Just Tank the hits

[limber hull]

its on you to determine if you want to deal with that

[lucid mauve]

Does not matter, nothing should be free hits without risk. Does not matter if the dino can tank it or not.

Same issue they discussed with deino, they tho about doing grabbing a struggle battle. But they had to scrap it, cus if someone came along he could decide who won or not

[limber hull]

a raptor while pinning something is free hits without risk though to the other creatures around it?

rex has always been the 1v1 king

[lucid mauve]

1v1 king of apexes, not 1v1 vs a dibble.

[limber hull]

that's why body down rule was so prevelant in legacy, because rex players HATED long-winded fights where it was outnumbered

[lucid mauve]

Legacy i couldt care if they where 1 or 4 dibbles

[limber hull]

????

brother just don't pin it if you genuinely think it's that big an issue

use the big bite you have

even if you do pin it, it's not like you're going to be shredded by a dibble

sure, you'll take some damage, but it most certainly will not be lethal before you kill his friend first

the idea of making rex magically immune to damage for pinning something is dumb. if you don't want to be punished for using a move that is specifically good against solos, don't use it

[lucid mauve]

I dont think u see the big picture here, its gonna come alot of other dinos.

I dont want it immune, but if it pins something cus the rex actually need to eat. Either what it pins should stay down for a short time so the rex can defend its ass.

[limber hull]

if it doesn't let go, the thing can't get up

also, you realise that when it lets go in the feedback you replied to, that's part of the animation, it's still locked in the animation when it lets go

[lucid mauve]

If does let go, it should still stay down then. So nothing can just assride you while u pin.

[limber hull]

you seem to be misunderstanding the feedback

the feedback is literally changing the animation

because rex lets go mid animation and it looks silly

[lucid mauve]

That it looks silly yes, im not saying that

[bronze nymph]

You want the pinned Dino to stay on the ground while you fight His Friends?

[limber hull]

as long as you hold the pin, it will stay pinned. once you release the pin, it will be unpinned

[lucid mauve]

We disagree, unless you meaning it still stays on the ground for a short time before it can actually run

[limber hull]

if you dont want to be attacked while you pin, you have other attacks. you aren't forced to use the move if you genuinely are scared you're going to be killed by a dibble

[lucid mauve]

Your not gonna ambush a dibble without piining it, if not it can just run away. It can prob take a hit from the rex

[limber hull]

then pin it and take the damage from the other dibble, then kill it next

[lucid mauve]

Your loosing alot of credible by saying that, rex will not be able to run a dibble down. Im guessing atleast

[limber hull]

how am i losing credibility

every second the dibble spends trying to hit you, is a second it's not spending running

if the dibble REALLY wants to die a hero, it might get you to half health, but you would just kill it next

[lucid mauve]

If im in a herd of dibble, a rex pins my friend. I asswopp the rex until he release pin. Then he pins me, then my other friend asswhopp the rex until it release pin and so on.

[bronze nymph]

Then dont Pin when you See a herd, Just bite

[limber hull]

then the rex should start to use anything but pin

if you notice this theme, start doing somethign else

you have a bite, a headswing and other attacks

[lucid mauve]

You wont kill anything without pin, unless small tier ofcorse.

[limber hull]

based on literally what evidence

[bronze nymph]

Ofc you will

[bronze nymph]

I assume it has the strongest bite force in the Game

[lucid mauve]

I doubt u gonna kill a dibble with normal bites, or do u disagree on that ? Unless ofcourse the dibbles choose to stay and fight

[limber hull]

rex is fast, it has an alt-bite with knockdown, it has the highest bite force in the game, and has a ton of health, it can figure something out

[limber hull]

which, in your hypothetical, the dibbles ARE staying and fighting

because every time you pin, they attack you

so they're staying to fight

[barren crater]

Same thing happens with omni?????????

[lucid mauve]

lol

[limber hull]

i dont understand either lol

[barren crater]

Pick solo targets or don't use your grab?

[lucid mauve]

I can understand omni, its a pack hunter. I dont think rex will be in a pack of 5, i hope

[limber hull]

what

[barren crater]

I frames don't exist in this game

[limber hull]

nor should they

[lucid mauve]

Rex picking solo targets only , imagine

[barren crater]

Yeah. Doubt they ever will lol

[limber hull]

it's not forced to

it can still grab a dibble out of a pair or trio of dibbles, tank the hits from the angry friends, then be fine because it's so tanky

[barren crater]

Hunt stuff that are smaller than you and pose little threat or use your other abilities lmao

[lucid mauve]

And omni is not forced to pin, it can hunt 90% of the game without

[barren crater]

^ you'll be largely hitting its legs

[lucid mauve]

rex needs to kill something fast, it will not be able to walk or run much down after an ambush

[limber hull]

i love how you discovered rex's main weakness against its large quantity of strengths and act like it ruins the animal

[barren crater]

ngl stego / diablo groups will probably be the bane of rex

[limber hull]

this is meant to be rex's biggest weakness. it's an undisputed 1v1 king, but then starts to struggle once he starts going against groups

[barren crater]

heck trike / diablo lol

[limber hull]

probably, yea. I can easily see how 2 stegos can be insufferable for rex to deal with

[barren crater]

Can't be good in all scenarios lol

[limber hull]

exactly!

[barren crater]

I expect the same with allo. Grab a teno or something in a herd > get kicked

[limber hull]

yup

also trike groups might as well be an impassable wall to rexes lol

can't be pinned due to size
locks you in grapple
other trike just turns you into swiss cheese

[lucid mauve]

Ahh you want pot balance, where numbers is all. Even vs apexes, i dont need to fear anything in nice herds etc. Now that sounds fun

[barren crater]

You want invincible apexes

💀

Yeah I'm grabbing something, so you should deal 0 damage!

[limber hull]

that's not PoT balance?

[lucid mauve]

Apexes can die to a pack of allos , and all other apexes

[limber hull]

okay and

[bronze nymph]

Bro you can still kill stuff in herds Just dont Pin and bitr instead

[limber hull]

so you're fine with a pack of allos killing rex, but not a herd of dibbles, who are the same size as allo

[barren crater]

You ran into a herd of multiple 3t animals? Yeah you should get beat up. I don't expect a carno to take on a pachy herd even though its significantly larger lol

[limber hull]

is it the fact that it's a herbivore?

[lucid mauve]

Meaning allos are better at attacking yes

[limber hull]

lol how

[lucid mauve]

lol

[limber hull]

herbivore v carnivore moment

herbivore should not attack back because that makes no sense!!!!

the smaller carnivore killing rexes is fine tho

[barren crater]

reduced damage mutation on diablo

on stego

[limber hull]

if you're playing a rex and you're standing there mauling my buddy and not fighting back, you deserve what comes next

rex is not an animal meant to deal with groups/swarms effectively. It is meant to be the thing you see running at you and gtfo because if it grabs you first, even in a group, you're probably dead

[lucid mauve]

carno is not apex, sure numbers matter. I know you wanne be 99% safe in a herd and just chill but doubt u will vs apexes

[barren crater]

I'm talking about the size difference lol.

3 pachys = 1.5t
1 carno = 1.3t
3 diablos = 9t
1 rex= ?

[limber hull]

i love these conclusions you're jumping to

[lucid mauve]

You lost so much crediblity i cant even take it seriously

[barren crater]

Lol idrc. There will be a strat to dropping rex easily.

[limber hull]

when?

[lucid mauve]

Well if size is all, then you can be 100% safe if thats how you want it to be lol

[barren crater]

Creatures being immune in a grab is goofy levels of babying an apex

[limber hull]

^

if you want to have ez mode, play PoT

[barren crater]

And yeah, the game is more enjoyable when little guys can group up to defend / hunt larger stuff

[lucid mauve]

I can agree on that, not immmune. But since the rex needs to eat, it shouldt defintly not be able to jump straight up and run after a pin

[bronze nymph]

I dont See your Problem, If you think you will die while grabbing Just use bite and kill IT that way?

[limber hull]

it should get up as fast as everything else after being pinned

[lucid mauve]

Agree, aslong as it nots free kill like pot if u are more.

[limber hull]

once you let go, there's nothing keeping it there

if you want to keep it in place, rex has a knockdown with its alt bite/headswing

[barren crater]

There will be a number where that's possible tbf

Like x amount of things = dead apex

[limber hull]

you can hold something with grab, knock it down with headswing, or do heavy damage with bite. rex doesn't need its grab to stun for longer than it holds on for, because that's just babying it

[barren crater]

Also this yeh

[lucid mauve]

ofcourse , numbers matter. If i choose to attack 10 dibbles, i should defintly be dead or standing with my but into a rock or something after

[limber hull]

okay so literally what's the problem lol

[barren crater]

I don't think anyone here was arguing about small groups killing a rex lol

That would be annoying.

[limber hull]

^

i even said that duos or trios of dibbles most likely wont be able to kill a rex before the rex is done mauling their friend to death

[lucid mauve]

But a rex should not be worry about going for 2 dibbles, cus they might asswhoop him

[limber hull]

that wouldn't happen

[barren crater]

THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE AN ISSUE LOL

[limber hull]

you pin the first dibble, the second dibble would do some damage, but nowhere near enough to worry you

if dibble no 2 is dumb, you get a second dibble to eat

[latent olive]

2 allos would not let themselves be pinned theyre far too smart and agile

unlike the ceratosaurus, the allosaurus is an intelligent animal

[limber hull]

LMAO

[cyan flame]

Just do not panic react if the second dibble hits you, pin and finish off the first one, then turn and repeat with the second one.

[limber hull]

exactly

[barren zephyr]

(just put in gen feedback, lmk what u guys think, honest opinions pls, im down for sm to change my mind, lmk if ur agree, disagree, or both! 🙂

[limber hull]

"i dont rlly know why u guys made evirma, legacy was kinda perfect and u guys could have just added to that"

it's funny, evrima was made because legacy wasn't perfect, and they literally couldn't add to it

the code was so broken that every new addition broke completely unrelated things. Removed hyperendocrins from the game? Para lost all of its animations. Completely unrelated, that's how bad it was

[barren zephyr]

ohhh, see i didnt know that at all

ty for lmk

[wooden agate]

i also like how you called legacy successful when the game has tripled its playercount since evrima release

[barren zephyr]

evirma has trippled?

maybe i look at the wrong times?

[wooden agate]

compared to when legacy was the only branch

[wooden agate]

check steamdb playercount

[limber hull]

EVRIMA is far more successful on all counts

[barren zephyr]

i remember when servers would be STACKED in legacy, but Evrima , not as much

i feel like curretly its because new dino came out but few days its will DIE out i may be wrong

[barren zephyr]

hm

[wooden agate]

every single major peak in the game has been during evrima and directly correlates to evrima updates

the isle has some of the highest player count averages of the games life at the moment

[limber hull]

stamina also is flat out not an issue atm tbh

i hard disagree with the idea that stamina is an issue

it's in a sweet spot where you get punished for mismanagement, but can easily use it effectively if well managed

[barren zephyr]

at the moment bc of new dino, i feel like this always happens bc players like me always come back looking fr good chang,e but idk i jus tdont see it

[barren zephyr]

i have to disagree

the map at the moment imo if HUGE

[wooden agate]

its smaller than v3

[limber hull]

^

[barren zephyr]

i tried to play tera, yes can i get around at start, sure, but when i have to recover, i might aswell afk grow

[wooden agate]

you dont have to see it, you can see the numbers for yourself

https://steamdb.info/app/376210/charts/#max

[barren zephyr]

crazy maybe its whenever i play, my brain must be in the gutter lol, whenever i look at evirma, its during update, and yes its good amt of peop,e but whenever i look randomly, i just dont see the pop

prob just me then

[pseudo pebble]

Teno group limit: 8 Omni group limit: 8 Why?

[limber hull]

even ptera is managable, they added new ways to recover stamina on it last update, where you can latch and gain stam, which is great

[barren zephyr]

yea u can do that, but dont u think that the stam regen all in all should be buffed?

[limber hull]

atm? no. with the rework? maybe

[barren zephyr]

also, idk i think i put it up in my comment, but dont u guys think deino should move faster in water

[limber hull]

it's the fastest moving animal in water

[barren zephyr]

and the mud splashed should be smaller

[limber hull]

nothing moves faster in water than an adult deino

[barren zephyr]

i mean ofc, but w the map being so big and having to traverse

[limber hull]

i mean, it's not supposed to be a super mobile animal. It's a gator, it's meant to find somewhere and hunt there by waiting for prey to come to it

[barren zephyr]

i see what u mean

when i just spawned in at deino, i would shift to move faster and it was like what i think the reg moventment w out shift should be

maybe thats just preferance

also i think they should make the map smaller if they r gonna only have 100 player counts on official servers

[limber hull]

nah, i think the map is fine at its current size, at least personally

[barren zephyr]

imo idk if im wrong, but its like the map is just too big for player count, takes forever to find anyone

i rather hunt players than AI too

[wooden agate]

i think the map is slightly too large for 100 players, however unofficials solve this issue

[barren zephyr]

agreed, i did see one like 225 player pop

[wooden agate]

hell, islander has 225 playerslots on its server

petit pieds has 180 last time i checked

[barren zephyr]

right

[wooden agate]

i dont think bumping up player count up to 130-140 would be awful, but i dont think its needed if these upcoming MZ/PZ changes take place

[limber hull]

they're already working on stuff like that iirc

i wish they could do server sharding but its not viable for unofficials :(

[barren zephyr]

what do u guys think abt the human stuff tho, u guys think they should focus on it how they r now or a little less and that they should focus more on, rex, spino, trike, ex

just on all the dinos in general

[wooden agate]

considering they have one (1) dev focusing on them right now, i dont think it matters much lol

[limber hull]

god i love human stuff

i wish there was more work on them :(

[barren zephyr]

i dont understand it rlly

[wooden agate]

the isle started as human only gameplay

[limber hull]

^

[barren zephyr]

like how r humans gonna fit in the isle is what i wonder n question

[barren zephyr]

i had no idea

[wooden agate]

then quickly changed to human + 3 playable animals

and then they switched to focus on the dinosaurs while planning out the human stuff

[barren zephyr]

like r they gonna have guns, spears, will they be able to kill dino players, maybe u gotta grow a human out, lol not rlly im just jk but like idk

like imagine getting third partied but a human

[limber hull]

humans won't grow, and there's two types

one is the traditional human with guns, ammo, supplies, etc

the other is a mutant monster that stands 7 foot tall, can climb trees, eats other humans and worships a machine god

also, the gun kind is already in the game

[hidden mist]

Petits now has 230 slots iirc…

[barren zephyr]

hm

like how would guns work, they would i assume do hella dmg

like just imagine being a tera player and getting sniped

[desert arch]

Current guns arent that powerful tbh, as a human you need to put 3 bullets into a troodon to kill it

[limber hull]

yup

[barren zephyr]

interesting

[limber hull]

and based on the fact that they really don't want this to be a hunting simulator, i doubt you'll see guns killing too much, especially with how limited guns and ammo will be

[barren zephyr]

i hope so

i think if i grew out a utah just to get slug to the face would make me put the fattest hole into my monitor

[wooden agate]

WHAT

[barren zephyr]

alr well a few things i used to think have def changed, good having a chat w ya, gotta head to bed lol

before i go, just reply so i can come back to it

i do think they should add a map key u could access or a mini map

bc we all can access a map threw a random map site online yk

just would be easier imo

[limber hull]

personally, i would hate a map button. i already dislike the fact that a map site exists

[barren zephyr]

whys that

[limber hull]

its a dino game, you should feel encouraged to explore and naturally discover the map

rather than inexplicably and magically know the island

[barren zephyr]

i get what u mean but idk if u played legacy, most likley u have but dont u like hot zones

like twins, great falls, lone pond ex.

[limber hull]

i hate hot zones

[barren zephyr]

makes it easier to find people

[barren zephyr]

got it

[limber hull]

i prefer to explore and find people, rather than have to go to one very specific part of the map to actually play the game

[barren zephyr]

idk just me personally ig

[barren zephyr]

👍

alrighty ima hit the sack, good chatting w ya

[undone pewter]

245

[undone pewter]

that was a while ago. 245, brand new top of the line hardware

[shy girder]

what is carno like after the change?

[hidden mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gankutsuou-gif-8345438604018395010

[pseudo pebble]

Teno group limit: 8, omniraptors group limit: 8
Why?

[limber hull]

whats the issue with it?

[pseudo pebble]

Whats not the issue with it?

[limber hull]

well that doesn't answer my question at all

i dont really see why this is a problem yet

[pseudo pebble]

I think THAT is the problem...ppl dont see whats obviously wrong in this game

[limber hull]

okay so there's nothing wrong because you've yet to give a reason as to why its a problem

[jovial dune]

i think he meant raptor pack should be like 10 or 12 pack limit im not sure but i think

[pseudo pebble]

Teno is much stronger than raptor

Plus teno can outstam raptor

[limber hull]

it can't. raptor has more stam

[pseudo pebble]

It can also jump

[limber hull]

so can raptor

[pseudo pebble]

No

Lol test it out

Again

Teno is stronger

[limber hull]

Okay

[pseudo pebble]

But has same grouplimit

Why

[limber hull]

Strength is relative honestly, and the size of the animal doesn't dictate their group size

[pseudo pebble]

Relative?

[pseudo pebble]

Why not

[lilac bolt]

you can still have a huge herd of dinos even with the limit

[limber hull]

Stego and diablo have a bigger group limit than carno, dilo or cera. It's not about strength, it's about how social they want the animal to be

[lucid mauve]

How they decide how social a animal is ?

[pseudo pebble]

So how are carnis able to hunt something that is always in a big herd? While herbis can eat grass anytime

[lilac bolt]

Herbis aren't always in herds?

[lucid mauve]

They cant. unless they want a pvp server

[pseudo pebble]

What do u think are the bad sideaffects for other players?

So they have to starve

Well bad luck ig

[lucid mauve]

It shouldt be limits to groups, bigger herd or pack. The harder to maintain.

[limber hull]

limits are fine, they'll also be relevant to coming systems to do with spawning

[pseudo pebble]

Brb need food irl

[lucid mauve]

If you wanne be social, then play beipi or something so many options. You dont need to run around as 3 tons animals

[cyan flame]

Well, there's nothing wrong. You have 3-4 omnis for a teno, it's not a 1v1. If teno is not solo, you need to separate it, or otherwise hunt smart.

[limber hull]

teno isnt 3 tons

[lilac bolt]

You can still find duo or solo players everywhere? It's not like every group is completely full all the time?

[cyan flame]

No idea, someone decided stego, out of all animals, should come in more than pairs xD

[lucid mauve]

Sure, but they cant fight and kill alot in the game. If you wanne play in huge herds or packs, its tons of options thats easy to maintain

[lilac bolt]

Ai exists as well.

[limber hull]

"stego herd animal" sounded better before stego actually came out

[cyan flame]

Kind of, but even then, no not really. One of the first things you'd learn in progression (I know) was that you stay very far away from other stegos, even as stego, because side hitbox swing means you will do collateral, and with 35 or so bleed, you're not walking that off unless you're a rex.

[limber hull]

and why can't teno be a large herd animal?

[lucid mauve]

lol im fine with stego beeing more then two,they are not killing machines unless i wanne challenge them : P But i dont see why this game can benefit with having huge herds and packs if they are mid tiers and bigger. If you wanne be social go with something small easy to maintain

[cyan flame]

Good times with stego back then, even if a fair few dryos died cause they ran up behind me and didn't squeak, so I went "austro" and swung before asking questions xD

[cyan flame]

It's more that stego does not fit it, far as I can see

[lucid mauve]

Yea agree

[lucid mauve]

Why should they ? If you talk about the game right now, in the future sure

[pseudo pebble]

90% of the time groups are full

Finding just a duo is super rare nowadays. Plus theyll always camp. If u run around in a 8 members raptor pack there is not enough food for all. For tenos/herbis np, just eat grass

[pseudo pebble]

Makes no sense balance wise xD. And when its not for balance, why is there a balance feedback channel?

[pseudo pebble]

You rlly think theyll let raptors seperate one teno? Hunt smart? How?

[lilac bolt]

Am I just lucky then? I honestly mostly run into solo or duos and every once in a while end up running into big groups.

[limber hull]

i get tons of successful solo hunts

but i hunt outside the hotspots. that may be a notable difference

[lilac bolt]

Yeah might be that a lot of big groups try to stay in hotspots to maintain themselves

[pseudo pebble]

Yes its luck. I rarely run into any solo player

We run all around the map, never in hotspots

But all this doesnt explain why a bigger animal has the same g limit as smaller ones

[lilac bolt]

How does group limit actually affect anything since you can still have groups bigger than the limit set per group of that specific dino?

[pseudo pebble]

In officials yes. But hackers there so I only play on unofficials where megaherds are a rulebreak. Still doesnt explain my origin question

[lilac bolt]

I'm guessing the devs just want teno to be a social dino with big groups

[pseudo pebble]

Seems so. But guess what happens when I write in feedback: decrease group limit of tenos? Everyone will downvote just cuz they can :) cuz teno is a social animal lol and raptors arent?

[limber hull]

no one said raptors aren't

in fact, raptors also have large group sizes, so they're also social animals

[pseudo pebble]

U rlly dont understand my point

[lilac bolt]

Your not making your point clear

Raptors and tenos both have large group sizes

Because they are both social dinos

But because teno is stronger than omni it deserves lower group sizes?

[pseudo pebble]

Ok. Ill try to make it more clear: when tenos gl is 8, then let ceras be in a group of 7 and carnos be in a group of 9, raptors gl idk 12.

[limber hull]

that makes no sense though

[pseudo pebble]

Ofc why not?

[limber hull]

you're acting as if group sizes are based on size or power, which they aren't

[pseudo pebble]

For what does balance exists then?

[limber hull]

they're dependent on how social they want the animal to be

para, despite being colossal, will likely have VERY large group sizes

[limber hull]

it's not breaking balance to have the capacity for more of one animal in a group

[cyan flame]

But it does make sense? It's not like group vs group is balanced, especially not when plenty of playables punches up in groups to one larger thing. Of course, if that larger thing then has friends, they can't punch up that far. Not really that strange, I don't think at least.

Like, a pack of omnis can punch up to a solo rex, perhaps. But if there's a rex pair, then even a full group of omnis will not really stand a chance, most likely.

[lilac bolt]

To make situations that need to be fair as fair as possible to the player

[cyan flame]

Eveen if it was that way, do you expect 12 omnis to take down 8 tenos? Or 9 carnos to take down 8 tenos?

I'm not sure I see the purpose in just making group sizes dependent on size or "power", since even if you did say "okay, omnis can be in packs of 12", you're not taking down a herd of 8 tenos anyway

[pseudo pebble]

Well in my world the group limits beside other things, don't make any sense. In ur world it does. It is what it is

[cyan flame]

Well, not all group limits makes sense to me either. But even if the limits were changed, how would that help?

[pseudo pebble]

Balance and for the sake of logic. Make group limits depend on their weight.

[cyan flame]

Okay, so, how would you do the current limits then? We got deino at 8T, stego at 6T, down to beipi at 90kg I think, and troodon at 60kg or so.

[pseudo pebble]

Stego gl 3, teno gl 4, carno gl 5 cuz carno is weak etc. Something like that. Since weight wise raptor could run around in 30 groups which is ridiculous, let them be in a group of idk 12

Petra has gl of 6 like wtf

[cyan flame]

Okay, and then we're back to the issue of "is this group going to win over this"? Even if you put 12 omnis in a group, they're not winning over a pair of stegos, much less a trio. Even 5 carnos are not winning over 4 tenos.

[limber hull]

stego is literally almost 4x teno's size, why does teno only get 4 while stego gets 3

[cyan flame]

At least not if the playables are properly balanced

[limber hull]

also carnotaurus is designed to be a solitary hunter, hence why its groups are small

[pseudo pebble]

Then make it 2 stegs in group

[limber hull]

that doesnt solve the problem

[pseudo pebble]

Cera is a canni why 4?

[limber hull]

because it's a scavenger which is designed to be ABLE to eat its own kind, but it also competes amongst itself in small groups. Being a scavenger, it will often find corpses of other ceras, even if it didn't kill them

[cyan flame]

To be fair, ceras could come in duos only, it would fit it

But group numbers should be based more on how the playable is meant to play, than sheer size or power

[limber hull]

^

raptor is a pack animal, it should have larger packs than say, herrera, because herrera is more of a solo hunter

despite being smaller

[cyan flame]

Though herrera does have very high group limits, 12, like troodon, no? Which is a bit strange

[pseudo pebble]

Thank you! Finally someone sees it!

[limber hull]

doesn't that contradict your entire argument?

because, like troodon, herrera is smaller

[pseudo pebble]

Pt is one shot to everything, yet it's gl is 6

[cyan flame]

Well, troodon is 60 kg, herrera is 175

Yet, they have the same group limit

[limber hull]

so shouldn't it have group limits larger than raptor, being smaller than raptor by the same logic you applied

[pseudo pebble]

Yes it should

[cyan flame]

But troodon should have numbers due to how it plays, while herrera should not, for the same reason

Same with omni and herrera, there's more reason for omni to come in packs of 8, than there is for herreras to do the same

[limber hull]

so herrera, the non-pack animal, should have larger groups than omni, the pack animal, because it's smaller?

[icy lion]

@fallow python Check the pinned messages in the official server channels to see how to report hackers

[pseudo pebble]

It's just a raw idea. I came up with the ridiculous high gl of tenos which should be decreased imo. To find out a fair amount of gl I would need more time than 1 hr

But I would make it depended on agility, strength and hp

[cyan flame]

What's the goal then? What are the limits meant to achieve? You do realize that even if some critters are solo, and others are at max group, there's still going to be some solo things the group just isn't going to be able to hunt?

[rapid viper]

Everyone wants it, please 🙏

[urban flax]

Optimization is a constant process, not something that gets done with a snap of fingers

[rapid viper]

Ik, but its been a problem since spiro

Atm you either need a good machine of 1-5k or you just quit or play legacy

[urban flax]

There have been improvements with every update
Setbacks too

[pseudo slate]

is latched a word

[rapid viper]

But most of the time it just takes fps like one of the recent update

before that update i would get 60 fps when alone and 10-30 with a lot of bodies and stuff. Now i constantly have 10-30

[icy lion]

Have you ever cleared the config/appdata folder? Checked for driver and windows updates?

[rapid viper]

Yeah i dont have any windows updates and cleared the config folder

but it does basically nothing

so im forced to either play legacy, use other apps to be able to run it, or just quit entirely

[fickle sleet]

what are even ur specs

my pc is good I mostly get 60 fps but the game just randomly decides to lag after some time or when u go somewhere and this might be different from having some cheap pc

[rapid viper]

i play on laptop w a 1650 gtx ryzen 5 5000 series so im not shocked i can barely run the game, but its jst annoying that it just suddenly went down after a update

[fallow python]

The casual nature they told us they were using cheats and then came back and used the cheats against us was just daft. In game active admins would be a much more effective method in conjunction with reports. Just wanted to enjoy your game, was unable to due to this. Wish you luck and hope to see a more robust system in the future. For now I will play other games.

[icy lion]

Yes, we do have active in-game admins. We've also got about a dozen official servers and our admins can't clone themselves, which is why we request reports

[fallow python]

Ok just trying to communicate what I and my friends have seen and experienced. Long time fan of the game and hope it does going forward. Maybe more admins, I'm not a game dev just want to see your game do well.

[rapid viper]

for the config folder you just delete the entire thing right?

[icy lion]

@fickle sleet We have more than that, and the application to become an admin is always open

[icy lion]

Yup, you can also try deleting the entire TheIsle folder

[rapid viper]

Real

[icy lion]

That'll delete saved skins, though

[rapid viper]

oh you were being fr

[fallow python]

Would be happy to offer some time if it helps, do you have a link?

[rapid viper]

i thought u were just joking, tellin me to basically uninstall

[icy lion]

#rules-and-info

[fickle sleet]

hell nah the ccp deleted my message

[icy lion]

We're always looking for more admins. Don't misinform people

[gritty shore]

thank you i will look into this

[fallow python]

Thank you, would rather offer constructive help and criticism than just be angry.

[fickle sleet]

I think I said "I think" so if people believe that its their own fault

especially after u mention its not true

[pseudo pebble]

Same and many ppl have this problem

[polar pier]

@sonic harness just so you know, the isle DOES have a compass feature, but it also took me longer than i care to admit to figure out-- when you sniff, the line that appears has an up point ^ and a down one v. Up is north, down is south.

to be honest, i swear by the evrima quick guide website-- it taught me how to play most of the game, as a solo player 99% of the time!

[pseudo pebble]

What update do we have rn?

[icy lion]

0.16.193 I believe

[pseudo pebble]

That's the patch no? But what update?

[icy lion]

Updates aren't numbered like that anymore

[pseudo pebble]

What was the latest update? 7.5?

[desert arch]

Last numbered update was 6.5 iirc

After that content was just thrown at us XD

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message They are buffing pts stam because they do listen to their players and also Dilo is loud because it's loud it can be louder than Cera and Carno because it can also no don't reduce dibble weight

[pseudo pebble]

Damn how did I not realized that 🤔

[limber hull]

@distant granite good news, ptera is slated for a whole-ass rework

[abstract narwhal]

#general-feedback message 🤷‍♀️

Tbh idk why they don’t have one already

[icy lion]

Becausegame mechanics are going through changes and reworks, and new mechanics are being worked on

The devs want to have tutorials, but right now it'd be a big workload to make and remake them constantly

Especially since they also plan to remake the UI

[abstract narwhal]

Fair :/

[distant granite]

rEEE

My passion for the isle has slowly dwindled over the past couple years. i havent even been keeping track of blogs anymore lmfao. but this gives me a sliver of hope

[low socket]

Did ai get nerfed? I haven't played in a few months and recently I can't seem to get a carni out of juvi unless I can find a discarded carcass which is nearly impossible in servers with body down rules.

[boreal briar]

@twilit harbor more slots means more performance drop right now. I'd love to have way more in the future, but for now it's just not worth it.

[twilit harbor]

Yeah I know but I played for some time on a server with 245 players on and I didnt have big problems. Its just annoying to queue for like 30 minutes, just to see that the server restarts in 5 mins

[inland vigil]

@pseudo slate why are you reacting with transgender flags?

[pseudo slate]

go you

[inland vigil]

??

[cyan flame]

@merry ore That's not how damage works from what I know, it's a multiplier on the hitbox, not a matter of the damage of the attack. But since you mentioned hitbox issues, I imagine that might be the reason, you're not getting hit on the tail, the hitbox counts as base of tail or body, for whatever reason.

[merry ore]

Another problem: Although Carno's turning radius is slow in his running, the strange Hitbox makes this not a problem.

and finally his unidirectional turn when he quickly stops running to turn in another direction is very fast or has a very high angle, Carno is essentially extremely maneuverable now, whereas in the past his biggest flaw was his turn precisely because he is fast XD

[cyan flame]

Well, I'm not sure that's neccesarily a problem, not if the intention is for carno to hunt the otherwise agile and speedy prey. You're right, previous flaw was terrible turn radius, which well, means hunting smaller stuff tends to be very difficult.

[merry ore]

The carno is an apex, its stats are strong so it shouldn't have similar statuses in what its prey are specialists in.

Turning is indeed a problem, the purpose of the carno is to be a strong animal with high speed, it shouldn't have a good turn.

Cerato have the best spin speed, but is among the animals with the lowest speed in the game.

now have the best speed in the game and also a great spin that, even if it's not the best, still has a hitbox area that prevents this from being a defect? It's terrible for game balance

[cyan flame]

I don't think spin speed neccesarily dictates running speed, you could be good at both, or bad at both. And carno is not an apex no, not even close. And well, if it's designed to hunt something, it does need to be good at hunting that thing, no? Otherwise it wouldn't be very good at hunting it? If the hitboxes are messed up again, that's a different issue.

[merry ore]

Carno and Cerato are the Apex animals in the game at the moment bruh

Furthermore, each animal is a specialist in one thing and has its cons and defects, I don't see any defects in the current state of the carno.

The only defect of the carno is that it is the animal most vulnerable to bleeding, but this tends not to be a big problem for it if it knows how to play.

If you are saying that the animal needs to have exaggerated status to hunt, look at other animals, they all have vulnerabilities and positive effects that do not definitively determine the outcome of the fight.

The raptor is fast and has great spin, but it is the most vulnerable carnivore in the game (I'm not counting Trodon)

That doesn't mean he has the speed of a Gali, he just needs to hit a pounce and win, now the case with Carno is the opposite, he's faster, stronger and has a strange hitbox that prevents the animals in the game from having a chance. against him, except the cerato.

[cyan flame]

Right, but "at the moment" does not mean much, and even so, they're not. Deino would be it, seeing as it is the undisputed "I have no predators bar my own kind" more than everyone else. Even though carno can flee from encounters, it's still more predated upon. And as you stated, carno does have downsides. It's very weak to bleed (should be adjusted), it's even more fragile and weak now with the downsize when it comes to weight, and is mostly threatening to the small things it should threaten. Unless it's started hunting dibbles and tenos and so on? Cera is, from what I know, both good and bad, since you can vomit pretty much everything very easy, so not sure how that matchup goes vs carno.

And I did say if there are hitbox issues, then well, thats an issue. But aside from that, carno is supposedly good at its job now, which is a good thing.

Carnos job is to put the fear of the Replicator into any smaller thing, pretty much

[merry ore]

Cerato is among the slowest animals in the game, he is very avoidable unless he manages to make you vomit or catch you off guard.

Now the carno reaches everyone and has no difficulty in hunting as long as it is smaller than him.

The only current weakness of the carno is bleeding, that's all.

There is another animal being wronged these days, dilo.

I remember that at the time of its release, if you were good with it you could kill 1 carnot in 1v1 if you knew how to play.

Now I'm not even able to dodge a carno hitbox (especially in the open) all because his dash hitbox is meaningless

[cyan flame]

Well, it's supposed to be good at hunting smaller things. So it's doing it's job I guess. And sure, cera is slow, but that's not much of an excuse for how overtuned bile currently is. And sure, carno is currently good, because most of the roster is meant to be it's prey. But cera should be able to bully it off a corpse, and larger things won't be all that worried about carno.

And if there is an issue with the hitbox, then I'm sure that'll be fixed at some point. Like it was last time.

[merry ore]

Cerato is capable of hunting any animal smaller than him and that doesn't mean he has abusive statuses that prevent his predation, wtf.

[cyan flame]

Didn't you just say cerato is very slow and can be avoided very easily?

[merry ore]

Yes, because he is, his speed prevents him from being an Indominus Rex

[cyan flame]

Carnos can be predated upon too, omnis can grapple it I'm pretty sure, and dilos at night ought to be quite terrifying, even troodons would be at that point, since carno is now smaller

[cyan flame]

Right, but if you're slower than everything smaller (depending on mutation), you're not really hunting or catching much, unless you're well designed as an ambusher, which cerato isn't really meant to be from what I know. Though the bile kind of does work, even if it's probably not meant to.

[hybrid tundra]

@languid aspen

[merry ore]

1- you need at least 5 trodons to have a chance of killing, trodons are rare now.

2- if the carno player is good he will hardly be a predator for a dilo or omni.

3- Dilos in groups are rare compared to their release, the animal most likely to be in a pack is omni.

I was already a Herrera and ptero these days and all the dilos I saw were alone and in rare cases in pairs

[boreal briar]

@distant granite because they kept getting used as scouts for mixpackers, I believe that was one of the reasons anyways.

[cyan flame]

1. I don't know, depends on how good the troodons are. I've heard of troodons soloing omnis, and killing larger things with only a few of them. 2. Well, ambush, as you pointed out. If two omnis get on the carno, I'm pretty sure it gets grappled. As for dilo, hunting a carno at night would probably not require a pair, much less a group, due to extra venom delivery. And well, you can see, the carno can not.

If cerato can hunt things, I don't see why carno can't be hunted by some things.

[distant granite]

I mean but why not just take it out all together? It’s basically unplayable in its current state

[mighty cosmos]

@proud coral I downvoted only the last part of your latest general feed back. I really would not enjoy the no charge on sprint change considering it’s one of cera’s main abilities.

All the other suggestions were great though but the charge not one is a big fat ❌ for me!!

[solid pecan]

Quick question can a swimming fully grown stegosaurus be grabbed by a deino?

[hidden mist]

Yes.

[proud coral]

I see I still wish we had a reaction in here for stuff like that ;><;

[wooden agate]

i think before gateway release

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message No it very much should, don't be still near trees where Herrera might be

[rapid maple]

omni can one hit herra with its pin attack
herra can one hit omni with its aerial assault

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[junior nymph]

@worthy plover they do give less and have been for a long time

[worthy plover]

damn, i haven't really noticed it till now

[frank tapir]

@queen mortar #general-feedback message rotten bodies already give extra bile

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

lmao tf was this dude doing to get bullied as cerato lmao

[hidden mist]

Also making a Cerato slower in general doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. It means that it will be run down when bigger things with the speed of 37–39 km/h are released. And dang, even Diablos with speed mutation can be faster than a slowed Cera then ig (although it’s a specific mutation problem, I still think there should be a decent speed gap for a Cera). I’d just give it an increased stamina consumption while running with charged bite being active. This way Cera can 1. just flee away (not using charged bite at all), 2. stand its ground when the fight is an emergency (use the bite but with caution. You will trot with it activated more than run), 3. you can’t really hunt big things by spamming the hell outta them with the charged bite as you need to mind your stamina.

Or make it a li~ttle bit slower when the charged bite is activated. Other changes from the suggestion I like however.

[urban flax]

Probably trying to solo stego by the looks of it

[inland vigil]

Cerato used to be pummeled kind of easily by carno but now a literal fresh spawn cerato can somehow make full grown raptors puke in a bite. Ridiculous

I should know because one puny rat bit my ankle as I was fighting an actual threat (pair of diablos) and completely ruined my hunt in one bite before dying to an instant pin

[limber hull]

even then, that was like, cerato's ONE bad matchup

cerato DOMINATED, even before the patch

[inland vigil]

The bleed and persistence hunter tracking/stamina need to go

It should not be tracking and running down its prey when it's a body bully scavenger

[cyan flame]

@hazy pier i dont believe cera is meant to hunt dibble, much less stego. So if it can, then thatd only be all the more reason for a nerf for it.

[hazy pier]

well If you had any brain you would know that it is meant, cuz you saw what is rex goona do with dibbles, 1 shot them

[limber hull]

What does rex have to do with it lol

[hazy pier]

I dont understand why is everyone crying about vomiting, while rex is goona 1 shot 4hours of growing

[limber hull]

Because it's unbalanced, irregardless of whatever rex has going on lol

[hazy pier]

its not unbalanced, you just gotta learn the game, if smth is unbalanced it's diablo, I went 1v4 ceras killed 3 of them so much of balancing

[limber hull]

those ceratos must be godawful lol

[hazy pier]

and survived*

[limber hull]

4 ceratos can easily kill dibble

[hazy pier]

it was not them, I was just too good, and its not hard to play diablo, strongest herbie IG right now

sparr doing too much dmg

it takes you 1 knock and to spar head shots to kill one of them

[limber hull]

having cerato instant puke animals over 2x its size is ridiculous. It shouldn't be

there is no justifiable reason for it