general-feedback-discussion

[lucid mauve]

hopefully stego lol

[tight iron]

LMAO

nah but in all seriousness having a carno in its current state catch up to you in a jungle is uh

proof of nothing but either a skill issue or the carno being an expert

@thorn verge the servers will die

they will straight up explode

and you can play unofficials with 170-180 players

[thorn verge]

ive played on them, and havent ran into any issues with the increased numbers, why not just make it the standard, make the map feel more alive

[tight iron]

cause official servers straight up suck

[whole orbit]

Best way to survive a carno is by pressing A and D

[lapis swallow]

I think sending as drone strike to the carnos IRL location is still a better tactic

[whole orbit]

LOLL

[vital laurel]

funny, every time i do that i die to desync hits

[vital laurel]

it was a couple patches ago

[whole orbit]

That’s not an balance issue then☠️

[whole orbit]

Desync can sometimes screw over the carno aswell. Some hits just don’t register for example

Even tho it clearly connected

[tight iron]

carno has sucked since gateway released

[lucid mauve]

Islander ; )

[tender latch]

@vale pawn That rocky swamp feedback... what if... that, inside perimeter?? Or more specifically, just a part of perimeter (If the main sub-biome of perimeter is going to be redwoods or something similar)
I had that thought because currently the inside of perimeter is both watery and rocky, but not necessarily swampy

[vale pawn]

i have no clue what you just said

[tender latch]

Basically, what if a cool rocky swamp biome was put IN the big dome

It could be neat

[vale pawn]

would be neat

[barren zephyr]

Illness and parasites would be interesting, but I'd rather them not be specific to mix or mega packing. I'd rather it be, you can catch illnesses from having poor diet for a very long time (weakened immune system), and maybe if there's a ton of rotting corpses. An animal would catch the illness, and if a lot of other animals are in close proximity, would have a decent chance of catching it.

This would push people to spread out of deathmatch areas, or at least move away from piles of bodies, as well as another reason to keep your animal healthy. As to how exactly it would work, idk but I like the idea of South plains getting the plague LOL

Maybe letting your dino be completely filthy for a long time could make them sick too

[timid geyser]

@tame jetty im not looking to argue i just would like to understand your point of view on why you dont like my idea of bringing back the necro debuff

[valid ether]

The scenario I imagine is, for example that carnivores could drag corpses towards nesting Herbies, or simply that a Carnivore attacking nesting Herbies would be killed close by; I suppose that could be solved by having it not occur around nests.
But basically: it can be abused

[tight iron]

ppl would put a nest at a corpse tho

we've seen stegos who bodycamp for over an hour

[timid geyser]

yea just dont have the debuff near nest

both parties are happy then

[tight iron]

maybe if it's pre-placed only

like before someone died

[timid geyser]

i agree

[valid ether]

Mmh, yeah

[tight iron]

in that case it would work

and also small things like juvies not counting

[timid geyser]

yea because its insane that i cant eat my body because the herbies arent happy that i killed their friend

[valid ether]

The issue with that is that when attacking a herd of some sort, you tend to go for the smallest ones first

[tight iron]

im talkin about fresh spawns

things like fresh spawn raptor, compies, etc

[valid ether]

Ah, yeah

[tight iron]

cause they're everywhere

[tight iron]

indeed

i also wish they made corpses wash off to the shore smh

the amount of people that go in the MIDDLE of the highlands lake so i cant eat their body is INSANE

[timid geyser]

yea

[tight iron]

when im playing raptor with the bois im telling you 90%-95% body deny

[timid geyser]

yea

or just playing solo at all

[tight iron]

yus

ppl so salty they will do everything to avoid you eating

[tame jetty]

It's alright.
I play normally on rule server, so probably makes me bias or something idk.

But, how I like to play herbivore anyway, I kill something, and if there's more in the pack that tried to get my herbivore. I leave the body alone, and if they want to claim it they can.

I imagine if I play a Slower herbivore, it would be annoying getting debuff while trying to move away, when anyway the attackers will get the body.

I hate mixpacking, kos, and total mean people that body guard bodies or do it for fun or being ass. And to be honest, I see it ruins the gameplay for many, but ofc, there's prob never an end to people or trolls like this.

But personally, where I play, the people I play with, and community I play with, this is not a problem. So the necro from bodies would be more of an annoying thing for me, than good', and pretty unnecessary. Hope that answers it :)

[tight iron]

thats lucky

[valid ether]

Yeah, the thing is that (at least for official servers) they're attempting more and more to encourage players to play a certain way with mechanics rather than with moderated rules

[timid geyser]

i see but on no rule servers its very annoying

[tame jetty]

I would agree on having the NECRO from dead bodies, turned into an SERVER OPTION.
So officials could've it on, but communities where good gameplay is played, or rules ect that these bad things doesnt happen. The necro could be turned off :)

[timid geyser]

idk how servers work at all but maybe they could make it an option to turn that setting off and on depending if the server owner wants it

[valid ether]

Great minds think alike

[timid geyser]

lol

[tame jetty]

I'd definitely back that with thumbs up, as option. So it's toggle

[tawdry hemlock]

#general-feedback message pachy is to rival omni why increase to dilo weight?

[steady plinth]

Yeah, the last time I was attacked by a pack of raptors as a Carno I leapt off an awkward cliff face like 'So long, suckaaaaz'. I was starving anyway.

[tame jetty]

@scarlet thicket i could only agree on that, if there was no long ass respawn timer... otherwise, you crazy? Please explain your thoughts around that.. I want to understand. Most often it's people want more spawns, not less. I'm curious now 😅

[scarlet thicket]

So, E.g

• Omni has East Plain, West Access, Swamp
• Dryo has East Plains, RiverDelta, Water Access
• Gali has East Plains, Northern Lake, South Plains.

[scarlet thicket]

You can set up the starting environment(spawn) for diets, species, terrain.

Where atm Omni can spawn almost any where it wants any environment

[tame jetty]

They could also make 'more' spawns for each dinosaur, with counting what u mention of terrain and diets
Like taking the omni spawn amount, and just giving it to the other playables, just better spots suited for their needs 🤔

Less spawns, most likely more kos tbh.. so more spawns, would be better for more spread

[scarlet thicket]

1. Do you mean more spawn locations then what we have E.g. a new East cove spawn location

2. Say omni has 7 spawns take some away give omni 5

3. There is very little spread already Hotspots South plains/Highlands/Swamps

[tame jetty]

If devs would put nutritions outside of mz, possibly could help with the natural spread, bc there herbi go, carni go

Thus, better spawns, w better foods both sides.. more map usage

[scarlet thicket]

Then what of migrations?

My feedback only affects the spawn system.

[tame jetty]

The spawn system would work better as whole, if map and design and MZ related stuff also worked better- it ties together

Saw edit now:
7 spawn for omni, is a lot kinda ye. But only feels a lot because other in roster is lacking ig. So if what I mentioned above got fixed, ect, giving other roster same amount.
Wouldn't be bad, rather nice lol

But if not, 5 down from 7, wouldn't be too bad

[scarlet thicket]

I think the spawn system most affects hotspots as canrivores are more the happy to hunt more then herbivore speices.

Im against north side map dead, south side popular. ( that sucks for the game )
im not against you'll only see galis, tenos and dibbles north side of map and only see stegos, hypsi, dryos south side.
Then canivores roam every where.

[tame jetty]

I mean, not too bad. But kinda lame for herbivores to be mandatory stuck in x spot. With some nutritions outside hot spot, herbi could also roam. Then carni also roam. And in end, all map filled

[scarlet thicket]

Herbies are already stuck becasue of migration system

Question this: Where are stegos, and where are dibbles

[tame jetty]

Yeah it need fixing. Why im saying nutritins outside of them too, maybe with like a system to it. It last shorter or smfh idk lol

I never played stegp after MZ, no idea what their zones are

[scarlet thicket]

I'm sure in 2 years. Devs will have figured it out with the help of releasing updates and reading feedback.

Cause yeah my feedback might have problems too! but them reading it could spark a similar feature to be made that will help the gameplay.

[tame jetty]

They better read Feedback indeed! I see so many good ones, needed

[scarlet thicket]

Same!

[latent olive]

@loud rover the scent thing is a compass

you have N and S represented by the points

[loud rover]

So it is. Thanks.

[vale pawn]

dyno why

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message The scent bar is a compass, the arch going up is North and the dip going down is South

[tame wing]

we have both a compass for Q and coordinates via TAB. and maps on the Internet #general-feedback message @loud rover

[gilded hollow]

Diablo looking pretty 𝓣𝓗𝓘𝓒𝓒, is this opinion valid?

[scarlet thicket]

@hidden horizon Dondi said in a stream last week, Pteranodon in it quality of life update will be made more as a terrestrial dino 😲 .

[willow crown]

In the end, what will happen to the T-Rex and the Apex? Will they add them to the game or not?

[lapis swallow]

they will

[willow crown]

💖

[tight iron]

i wonder how it's gonna be made more of a terrestrial dino

[boreal briar]

@austere moss if the lowest value fills first then you would have an even harder time removing double diets. If I had 2 S and wanted one gone, I would no longer be able to eat S diets until ones gone completely

@topaz kestrel go look up how much it costs to rent an Azure/AWS machine with good graphics and cores and try saying that again =.=

They're renting like 20 severs for the officials not 1 or 2.

[topaz kestrel]

More slots would also mean less Servers needed tho. Also why would the server need good graphics? 🤔

100 Slots is just super outdated by now

[limber hull]

some servers DO use graphics, but that's more of a "using the power of the GPU to help aid the CPU in running the server", and it's a whole thing you have to set up

but no, graphics cards generally aren't needed in server running

[boreal briar]

No clue, I just assumed the servers require graphics as well for processing. Probably just because I was thinking of my work.

It's expensive as tits just for a lot of cores and ram though, especially if they're run 24-7.

They didn't handle over 100 well in the HT so it's probably not going to be boosted for a bit

[topaz kestrel]

Ive worked in a small IT Company for some years and worked alot with Hypervisor Servers, so the graphics confused the hell out of me 😄
I get its not cheap to rent better servers, but I think that it would greatly impact the quality of gameplay. Plus I think everyone hates the current queue problem. Solving this would either require extra servers (might aswell upgrade the current ones), increate the server slots or just wait til the game dies down again which would be the worst obviously.
I also figured they might have own servers, didnt really think about it that it might only be rented 🤔

[topaz kestrel]

Sounds logical, but the Server CPUs are usually so crazy that I dont think the typical everyday use gpus would do much, but no clue maybe server gpus are a thing 🤷‍♂️

[boreal briar]

I think they mentioned something about their server host changing, or being able to have servers closer to the region they served? But I'm pretty sure it's rented, especially for a small game company.

[boreal briar]

I was thinking GPUs for servers because of AI work, some run better on GPUs.

The rented servers got cracked out everything available, I'm guessing they got good GPUs as well

[topaz kestrel]

sry was away for a while. Yeah it makes sense that they're rented.

Usually servers dont have any GPU, since they simply dont need it. They dont need to draw anything its usually terminal based or a very very basic GUI. But in the end we simply dont know what their servers look like. Im pretty sure tho that they could still improve alot in terms of server performance, which would also help with increasing the server slots. I sure hope they work towards it. I dont even touch official Servers currently because I simply dont want to wait 60 minutes to get in. Especially since I have internet problems regularly which would result in me being in queue over and over again on some days.

ironically my internet crashed while writing this message XD

[tight iron]

@toxic birch run

speed

[toxic birch]

Yeah I assumed that’s the point but I feel like it would even be interesting to have galli kick an Omni off of it like just once or something

[tight iron]

i dont think anything should escape a pin ngl

however

why cant gallis knock raptors down with kicks when it takes 2 hours to grow a galli and 1h 42m to grow a raptor 🤔

[tight iron]

(being pinned is either terrible luck or skill issue)

[toxic birch]

Yeah gallis probably have the strongest legs pound for pound out of all creatures in the game

[tight iron]

i just dont undersatnd why it takes so long to grow

[toxic birch]

True

[tight iron]

grow for 2 hours, get pinned

me personally i wouldnt make it so it can't be pinned but so it isn't such a stupid death

let it knock raptors down with a kick or make its growth time an hour or so

for 2 hours i'd rather grow a cera

not a galli

[toxic birch]

How come troodons and other Omnis do damage back to their pinner? Is it because they can also pounce?

[tight iron]

they're venomous and fight back like raptors

[toxic birch]

Wait idk what typo I just made

[tight iron]

so they do a crap ton of damage

[toxic birch]

Okay makes sense

[tight iron]

also if gallis couldnt be pinned or could just use an "ability" to get out, raptors would be doomed

gallis are pretty damn dangerous so they'd brutally murder raptor packs with ease

[tight iron]

gave my 2 cents, hopefully the suggestion is reasonable

[topaz kestrel]

And even if the galli is too low to fight theres no second pounce, the galli is gone if the first hunt failed, no way to catch it again.

[tight iron]

yes

[midnight heath]

Hey! That's how I lost my last FG galli, I got pounced from a whole raptor's length behind. 🙃

1 pounce killed my fully stammed, full healthy galli

[urban flax]

That's because galli

1. Is somehow lighter than raptor, despite being much larger
2. Has a special exception where it can get pinned by a raptor lighter than itself (FG galli can be pinned by a sub omni)

[midnight heath]

Oh, okay. That's fair.

Balanced, really.

[urban flax]

Well
Galli eats grass, therefore

Oh wait it doesn't even

[midnight heath]

Eats some grass and dies

Does anyone know how many raptors pin a stego? I haven't heard a specific number yet.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
Nice hairstyle

[whole orbit]

bro’s iced out😭

[tight iron]

LMAOO

[pulsar mantle]

how do i store a dino?

[vagrant jungle]

anybody know why these eggs are yellow(ish) ?

[icy lion]

They're rotten, hold E on the nest to remove them

[vagrant jungle]

oh okay never seen that

[vagrant jungle]

how do they get rotten? and how to prevent that?

[lime solar]

@verbal basin Bro? 🤣

[icy lion]

Either through bad temp or due to the father's diet

[verbal basin]

What ? U homophobic ?

[vagrant jungle]

thanks, was testing on server trying to make gen3 family

[indigo gulch]

I don’t think it’s a good idea to give a mutation to male or female specifically. People usually play male for the cool looks, would be kinda weird to lock them out of it for that

[icy lion]

@brave jewel Rex is currently being worked on

[verbal basin]

there is muts for female only like the gestation one

[verbal basin]

almost no one make nests bc how hard is to find a adult male ( or female ) and maintain the nest
with this mut we could have a lot more of nest

[verbal basin]

" to lock them out of it " im removing nothing from male dinos, just giving a sugestion to FEMALE dinos to make easier to have nests

[lime solar]

I can't say for sure, but Evrima is not a Woke game... it's just a dinosaur game that simulates biology.

[verbal basin]

yeah but homosexual animail exist

you can search for it

[lime solar]

But not reptiles...

[verbal basin]

turtles : what u sayin bro ?

[lime solar]

Turtles are government robots so we don't waste oil on plastic manufacturing

[verbal basin]

frogs: what u sayin bro?

[indigo gulch]

but then you remove a social aspect of the game?

[lime solar]

Most frogs are perverts by nature

Let the fish say...

[verbal basin]

join any official server and tell me if there is any nest

[indigo gulch]

yes?

[verbal basin]

of not smal fast dinos

like dilo or galli

[indigo gulch]

I've seen deino nests

[verbal basin]

send me a print

[indigo gulch]

I don't take screenshots of everything I see bro

[verbal basin]

its easy to say, hard to proof

[indigo gulch]

*prove

[verbal basin]

just join the server and take the print bro

you sayin is easy to find nests, prove it

[wary flower]

lmao

What kind of feedback is that

[harsh lodge]

No point to send ss . I agree that gender change was possible. This game supposed to be realistic and survival. That's true species could change gender while being around one

[verbal basin]

almost no one make nests in this game and who make its almost everything small dinos

[indigo gulch]

1. I dont want to get into queue and im doing other stuff
2. I've seen the nests plenty of times over time. Again, that doesnt mean they are up now

[indigo gulch]

its not.

[verbal basin]

100 server player, there must be at least 2-4 nests

thats why

deers do that in nature, even being irrational

[indigo gulch]

not really it depends on the dinos played, the amount, the group, etc

[lime solar]

[verbal basin]

thats homophobic bro

rlly homophobic
you could get a report

[indigo gulch]

wait what was?

[verbal basin]

bro got scared and deleted

[harsh lodge]

I wouldn't bother . Just saying most of official and unofficial servers are lacking nests in case of Carnis

I do believe it needs to be worked on

[verbal basin]

yeah

[indigo gulch]

I think one of the problems would be no more nesting areas

they used to exist and now they dont

[harsh lodge]

Yeah I agree

[verbal basin]

idk its just hard grow a fg dino and find a mate

[indigo gulch]

is it?

[verbal basin]

yeah

[indigo gulch]

I go to sp and I find one as a carni

[verbal basin]

it cerato i suffer to find adult mate and a good spot with food

[harsh lodge]

Make sure you are in hot spots not in dead zone lol

Cause right now they've killed east swamp and north of the map

[verbal basin]

being able to do nest alone with some cons would completely soulve this, -1 adult to feed

[indigo gulch]

that's why its atrocious for herbis, cuse they need to nest in migration zone and quickly raise them

[verbal basin]

yeah but its hard find herbs nest to

[harsh lodge]

Absolutely. They do have huge advantage over carnis ATM

[verbal basin]

i never found an stego nest... with 200 gameplay hours and only found a few dibble nests
its more common to see small dino nests bc you can just call a friend, grow a omn or dilo in like 40min and do nest easily

[indigo gulch]

you really havent seen dibble nests? 🤨 with the insane amount of dibbles playing?

then finding a mate clearly wasn't the issue

[harsh lodge]

It's true because nesting was completely destroyed in my opinion .
Dibble growth is absolutely ridiculous especially that we don't have carni to match them if they r in group

So they can safely nest

Same as galli or any species which are able to survive or be defended from juvie stage

[indigo gulch]

the only big dinos I think would be hard to find a mate with is deino because it cant go far after reaching adult state

stegos can at least meet up at their migration zone

[verbal basin]

i found some but still few for 100 players

you only need 2 to make a nest

[harsh lodge]

Basically in my opinion right now carnis were dominated completely . Except the fact they need to fight other carnis they need to hunt . Not rly surprised why there are no nests

Plus bare in mind herbie cannot starve as carni you need to find diet or grow for 6+hours

[verbal basin]

yeah

[vale pawn]

I want a parthenogenesis mutation but not like that

[verbal basin]

idk why pll dont just up vote for parthenogenesis

i have seem some others, pll just down vote them

this game have an obvious problem w nests, a server with 100-150 players and not a single one

[vale pawn]

Really? Mine and others ive seen are pretty well liked with only small number of downvotes

[verbal basin]

idk i have seen one some days ago with like 20 up and 40 down

named parthenogenesis

[vale pawn]

Mines 66 to 3

[verbal basin]

looks good

i hope you get it ingame

[vale pawn]

Maybe its how they personally described their idea for it

[verbal basin]

yeah

[vale pawn]

Mines just a simple "exlusive to the tiny animals" idea, no crazy drawbacks or requirements

[verbal basin]

looks good

i tough it was gonna be a bit op without requirements and the drawbacks are natural

" you be a single mom, you suffer like one "

[vale pawn]

I forgot to add another downside like maybe a 5% slower egg incubation, but i guess having a lower egg clutch and being a single parent is enough of a downside

[chilly ermine]

@verbal basin I think the answer to more nesting is to incentivize it for the parents. You may be getting down votes on your suggestion because it seems swayed toward personal reasons, just an assumption

That would be a tough thing to balance imo unless it was a lot harder than finding a male to nest with.

I wouldn't mind personally since It's so hard to find people to nest with. I run female always and it's so hard to find people that want to commit to nesting.

[verbal basin]

yea it is i know

[verbal basin]

babyes how hatch by mom only have mom muts so i think its not overpowered

and its easy for them to die it only 1 adul

[chilly ermine]

I mean it should be hard to actually get to the point that you can do that, like maybe you have to be a 2nd gen with mutation combos or something

[verbal basin]

so it does not make sense to babyes get mut

[mental mountain]

Hey jolly upvote that right NOW

[radiant nest]

@mental mountain current unsniffable mushrooms act as a more interesting thing to do as you actually forage for them. However, I think the distribution of them need to be worked on cause it isn’t very good at all

[mental mountain]

Ok thats fair I'm gonna edit the feedback to something else now lmao

[radiant nest]

lol

[mental mountain]

Also mushroom based

[vale pawn]

bro doesnt want to waste that 6 hour cooldown (real)

[radiant nest]

Also I know the devs are pretty set on having them unsniffable

[mental mountain]

Hows this one fair

https://tenor.com/view/kang-the-conqueror-kang-variants-many-kangs-multiple-kangs-kangs-cheering-gif-13082239200333412930

WHAT

[radiant nest]

lol

[mental mountain]

Why did the gif work

[radiant nest]

Wait

[mental mountain]

I'm still image muted but it worked

[radiant nest]

lol discord even wants you to have image perms back

[mental mountain]

Ok so it's only for the mainstream channels apparently

[radiant nest]

Ah

[vale pawn]

image mutes dont apply in general feedback (thank goodness)

[mental mountain]

I cant appeal cause I was unmuted so I gotta wait a bit

Wait nevermind I just straight can't appeal...I need to contact an admin for that one

Who should I?

[icy lion]

One of the seniors

[mental mountain]

👍

[radiant nest]

(They did not achieve elder)

[limber hull]

@verbal basin #general-feedback message

Wouldn't you just... not have a partner with parthenogenesis

You don't NEED a partner anymore (also dinosaur marriage isn't a thing). I guess you could roleplay out being lesbian if that's what floats your boat, but mechanically speaking, no need to have any form of courting if you make eggs on your lonesome

[marble quail]

#general-feedback message No don't allow them to smell other players, that would be too OP, I'd agree if it was just AI

[verbal basin]

Im saying the N thing you do to make partner with male dino to make nests, Just tough It would be Fun tho
And I know i dont need a partner I Just think It would be Fun to be able to marry two female too

[limber hull]

i'd just say the mutation should remove the ability to partner entirely

you can still be in a group and have your whole lesbian couple thing, there's literally nothing stopping you

there's just no mechanical point to courting with parthenogenesis

(also both nesting and courting are bound to the same key, and the partner would likely interfere with stuff like inheritance)

[marble quail]

Also not just lions and giraffes are ton of animals display homosexual behaviour

[limber hull]

again

you can just kinda hang around other animals of the same gender, there's nothing stopping you lol

[marble quail]

Yeah

Some reptiles have displayed it so some dinos could

But yeah this is more of an asexual trait

[midnight heath]

I don't think parthenogenesis would work in game; to be clear if you want to be realistic that is. Animals that go through parthenogenesis may mimic courtship but that wouldn't actually change the outcome of the offspring whatsoever.

The babies would just be clones of the mother, giving them any additional mutations wouldn't be realistic. No additional colors and no additional mutations. You'd just pre-choosing someone's mutations, colors and starting them off smaller and unable to feed themselves.

Also being female exclusive makes it even less ideal. I just don't see a reason for it mechanically, you're just spawning in players at a disadvantage at that point.

So two females courting with parthenogenesis as the mutation shouldn't allow the two to mix their mutations into the offspring.

[marble quail]

They said that there wouldn't be any extra mutations or colours

Just the mother that lays

[midnight heath]

Then what's the point of them pairing mechanically?

[limber hull]

there is none

thats what im saying, it has zero functional use

if anything, it'd just confuse the game

[midnight heath]

It just seems like an odd thing to suggest

[limber hull]

agreed

parthenogenesis' whole thing is that it's asexual, so adding a partner is just odd

[midnight heath]

Just hang out with the same sex if you'd like, the pairing is unnecessary game-wise.

[limber hull]

ya

just RP it out if you wanna, the game won't ever stop you

#general-feedback message

"change current stamina regen when resting to while running"

yo WHAT

[hidden mist]

Negative economy.

[limber hull]

bro literally just wants there to be no stamina system LMAO

run forever

[hidden mist]

Trust me you rest when you run but the brain works only up to 10% (trust me again) so you can’t comprehend it.

[urban flax]

That's 10% more than the rest of the time

[marble quail]

I use reverse curse technique to renew my cursed energy

[limber hull]

i dont understand how people have so much trouble not wasting all of their stamina

if you cycle sprinting and trotting, you can cover good amounts of distance without needing to rest for long periods

(plus you actually move like a real animal rather than a speed-blitzing psychopath who drains their entire energy then sits for 1 minute before doing it again)

[midnight heath]

I just sprint up until 60%, trot to regen full and repeat.

[limber hull]

unless you're galli, in which case, you can do whatever

you have insane stam, insane speed, insane trot

[hidden mist]

When 10%, it’s scientifically called “ultra sigma thinking”.

I have a degree in lobotomy, mhm mhm.

[urban flax]

guh

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monke-neuron-activation-neuron-activation-gif-20850506

[tight iron]

well they're not exactly homosexual

i just don't know if it's appropriate to say this here

[cyan flame]

@vivid mason Maybe one or two of those things, but giving it all of that would be far too much.

Would probably be good to give it scaling as well if it's going to be that good, so there's some limit on punch up ability properly

[vivid mason]

Troodon can definitely use it

Taking an hour to grow something that can get one shot by basically everything, plus all the desync issues, and how easily an entire pack can get wiped out

it would make troodon worth to play again, less of a waste of time

[dry falcon]

Because the map is big, dinosaurs are slow and some migration zones are reasonably far apart

[cyan flame]

Not really, doing all of that would be far too much. Troodon currently is viable and capable. Could it use something more, sure. All of that, absolutely not, at least not without some downsides or at least adjustments like scaling the venom and so on. Not sure where this "troodon isn't worth playing" comes from, what do you expect from it then? What's your idea for what troodon should be capable of doing, solo and in packs?

[boreal briar]

@timid compass If they can clearly see you, they should run

[tight iron]

@floral spire i think it's better if we just wait and give it a try

[floral spire]

I suppose, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

[wooden agate]

new carno looked real nice in the stream

the new charge seems actually useful now

[floral spire]

I agree, those are some great changes

[tight iron]

yeah i understand

[floral spire]

It's just the weight that bothers me

[tight iron]

however i believe it's better if we just test it and then come to conclusions

[floral spire]

I understand that, but I still don't think it's good to change an important factor like weight so drastically

[tight iron]

i understand

[tall hearth]

Although, on the other hand, you don't know how it'll fully function at a lower weight. If it ends up playing better at the cost of being lighter and smaller, it's a worthwhile change.

It's a change I suggest not being fully against until you get your own hands on it.

We've always been told playable sizes can and will change at any time, as the game is still in active development. We may see other size changes aside from carno eventually as well.

[sonic cloud]

You can’t buff it’s charge and not nerf something else. The new eight nerf sounds good

[tall hearth]

Looking at it only by "smaller number bad, bigger number good" isn't all there is to balance either.

If it's other changes coming alongside it's weight work well at that weight, then I dont see an issue.

You should enjoy a playable by how it plays and not by how big a number gets in your character screen

[sonic cloud]

^ if this change makes carno a better small game hunter and less of a medium game lightning bruiser I’ll be happy

[unreal hull]

When do i unlock the 4th mutation slot?

[wintry whale]

It’s not a thing currently, the only way to get more mutations than the base 3 is to get nested in

[floral spire]

Well, I don't want to say to much more regarding Carno's weight. I just think it's kind of an arbitrary change. Its charge is being buffed, yes, but before, the charge was pretty much unusable; as it took way too much stamina. There was a point when Carno had a decent charge and was still a decent weight, and it felt good to play. My complaint is that the change in weight is rather drastic, and that being a small game hunter wouldn't require it to be that much smaller.

Also, considering it's stature, it really doesn't look like it'd only be 1300 kg

[radiant nest]

@solid belfry charging seems to take dramatically less stam and also not have a cooldown anymore. Also, smaller size will almost certainly come with less hunger that you need to fill

[lucid mauve]

Also depends on how good it is, i mean 1300kg. Whats stopping small tiers not decimate it, small tiers is normally not alone

[radiant nest]

Carno can run away

[lucid mauve]

If it needs to run from small tiers, then its not a small tier hunter lol

[tight iron]

nah

it's a small game hunter in the sense of catching em off guard and quickly killing em

it shouldn't annihilate entire raptor or pachy packs for example

[lucid mauve]

It still needs to eat the food

[tight iron]

absolutely

[lucid mauve]

Depends on how many you mean, im not saying its gonna kill a pack. It gets on kill

one*

[tight iron]

yeah

maybe even with the new changes go in quickly kill one member of a pack and get da hell away

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but still needs the food. And im talking in the open area. It should be superior

[tight iron]

i completely agree with it

[lucid mauve]

If it thouches dense areas, roles switches

[tight iron]

however to a certain extent if you get what im saying

im sure it's gonna be able to utterly obliterate 2-3 raptors, with 4 putting up a fight

[lucid mauve]

Yea, exactly my thoughts to.

And its fair, it get 1 kill. Then the rest can choose either run away from open area. Or fight.

[tight iron]

yup

[solid belfry]

it already performs so poorly on gateway. I don't see a whole lot of hit and run hunting opportunity when 90% of your peripheral vision is foliage. Just hanging out in the plains isn't enough opportunity

[prime grotto]

anyone also having problem with fish spawn as deino/pteranodon ?

i don't need to look for them in unnoficial , but on official server they are just hiding

[solid belfry]

I don't see that happening, no pack of smalls run from carno as it is, its a very easy dino to brawl out and kill in the open. The turn speed alone makes ambushing one out of a pack very risky. And if an omni pounces you in the process it's gg, good luck running with that bleed

[lucid mauve]

Yea now carno is crap, but after they make it better for small hunter. I hope its viable

[solid belfry]

If its turn speed is the same and it has less health there will be 0 difference in fact it might be worse off. Unless there is a massive durability buff for its bleed there's no reason to play it

[slender wraith]

why does troodon only get 3 spawns 2 of which are in areas that are dead all the time lol

[limber hull]

we dont know if the bleed has been adjusted at all

and if carno has instacharge returned, smalls better learn to run

otherwise they're dead

gateway launch insta-accel insta-charge carno is what made it so bad. If it gets that ability again, it's going to be a terror to anything below it

[boreal briar]

@opaque inlet I believe the Ovaraptor(?) will be feathered

[opaque inlet]

Isn't that one gonna be an omnivore or have a beak or something?

Not really the same as a feathered yutyrannus or feathered utah raptor

Austraraptor is almost what I'm looking for it's just so... Little.

[boreal briar]

I getcha

I think having alternate skins would be neat, but I also wouldn't want that anytime soon

[opaque inlet]

Having a feathered version for dinos that accurately would be feathered, I'd like that too.

Honestly I'd kinda like Yuty to be in there too, I feel like it's got the right size to be there. What abilities it would have or how it would function is anyone's guess, as long as it doesn't copy ark of course.

I notice it's tail is surprisingly skinny and seemingly flexible in fossils.

Here's a yuty fossil.

The 'arms' are decently sized scompared to the legs, the tail bones are thin and kinda look flexible compared to the rest of the back. I am not sure what for.

Looking up it's real-life size, it seems it was slightly smaller than a carno.

[limber hull]

@narrow nova carno’s speed on the stream was an issue with scaling and not permanent. It’s getting increased

[narrow nova]

More than 55.6？

[limber hull]

We don’t know. It’s possible.

[narrow nova]

Kinda crazy

[limber hull]

I doubt they’d make it slower than galli tbh

[narrow nova]

Ya that just buff galli tort speed to about 37.no thing will threat galli if they nerf carno speed.

[narrow nova]

So once carno down size,didn't we need a bigger carnivore to take old carno's place？With no top predator we will only see herbs kill each other cause carnivore threat is not big problem

Herbs lost motivation to find a teammate cause they can deal with 2-3 carnivore by themselves.

As far as I know, most of herbs kill herbs situation are because the herbivores feel strong and safe, and the only thing that can threaten them is another herbivore.so they attack to eliminate threat.

That's why we need a bigger carnivore,it maybe slower but should surely threat herbs.

But that carnivore shouldn't be invincable like rex（when no triceratop）

[narrow nova]

@cinder haven Carno's down size is a positive change in game balance（though I don't like lt）, but only if there are other large land carnivores

You see nobody feel satisfied with current carno.

[cinder haven]

I don't agree, this animal doesn't deserve this!

[unkempt geyser]

yes

[cinder haven]

I've been playing this evolution since it first came out, technically I grew up with carno, this is the worst thing that could happen to him.

[narrow nova]

I only agree top predator dosen't deserve down size part.

And carno shouldn't be a top predator

[cinder haven]

this animal should not be nerfed just because there is a risk of killing many animals like trex allo cera

[cinder haven]

It's not the best hunter, the stun time is already very bad, it's better to keep it that way.

I'm going to find out how many kills carno has, even if it's an estimate, and I'll come and throw it here, this animal can't be 1.300, but we can kill gene cera BUT we can't kill animals like teno diablo allo trex in any way (sub adult or juvi)

[narrow nova]

In fact, it is because carno can catch up with all animals and pose a threat to them that herbivores have been unreasonably buffed

So limiting carno threat is good for wholet game

[cinder haven]

My opinion is that I think Dondi went online and searched for carno weight and this came up.

[unkempt geyser]

absolutely

[narrow nova]

The only question left was who would stop the herbivores from killing each other

[cinder haven]

With the addition of dinosaurs in the game carno will not be a big threat anyway and not every person can or can play carno

carno is not such a big threat because not everyone plays well but he is good in the hands of good players

[unkempt geyser]

1,300 kg would be good

[cinder haven]

you are a troll

[unkempt geyser]

.d

[narrow nova]

I know carno is bigger than in game ,I just say smaller carno is good for game environment

[unkempt geyser]

carno so strong

[cinder haven]

I don't think so, we can't kill diablo, we can't kill teno 1v1, we can't kill cera again, but it's hard dillo will cut us very easily, pachy will break us everywhere, 49. We are running 5, this is not a good balancing at all, AND THE IRONIC THING IS THAT WE KILL DIABLO, how are we going to kill diablo, 1.300 is already 1.800 kg, we could hardly kill him. (dablo diette) also if 2 utahs jump on us we will die

[narrow nova]

Speed won't be 49.5 as dondi said, will faster

[cinder haven]

finally some good news

[unkempt geyser]

Now accept that the carno was designed to hunt small animals

dinos*

[cinder haven]

if carno nerf comes, I won't play carno for such a big thing anyway, I'll only enter free admin sw to see what the carno situation is, I probably won't like it and I'll stop playing carno forever.

[narrow nova]

Yep so who's gana hunt bigger animals like teno and dibble

[cinder haven]

update 6 prirme carno will cry from the back 😦

[unkempt geyser]

sad carno

[narrow nova]

So you should support me to ask allo release quick

[unkempt geyser]

There needs to be a team for dinosaurs like that

[cinder haven]

now teno we can still kill 1v1 we know it is difficult but not impossible deyil then diablo we are cutting the sub very comfortably 2.3 up to adult diablo we can cut 2 people 1v2

[unkempt geyser]

I think 4 ceras can kill 1 diablo.

[cinder haven]

if cera is 1v1 teno can defeat it is difficult by vomiting but then diablo adult can defeat 1v1 very very difficult but if there are 2 or 3 people, something like ez and cera group animal bidet cera can kill stego

[narrow nova]

We need a big carnivore to make single herbs run away

[cinder haven]

yes

[unkempt geyser]

rex?

or 15 raptor 😄

[cinder haven]

I am very curious about allo I hope it will be 2 tons or 2.4 tons BUT if carno nerf comes I want it to be 1.800 kg

[narrow nova]

The invincible rex doesn't change much for the herbivores either

[cinder haven]

... well about rex, if stego is not nerfed, it is very difficult for rex to get stego 1v1

[unkempt geyser]

why?

[cinder haven]

@unkempt geyser don't make fun of me dam 2 accounts are making fun of me together

[unkempt geyser]

l havent 2 account

[narrow nova]

Once carno down size we will need a correct animals to settle homeless top predator player.
Otherwise, they'll turn into cannibalistic apex herbivore player or mixpacker.

[unkempt geyser]

But if they never nerf it, Carno will remain very strong.

[limber hull]

stego is too weak to deal with rex. it needs buffs to deal with rex lol

[cinder haven]

You're here again, man.

[cinder haven]

I want to say something, when was the last time you played the game?

[narrow nova]

The player who likes to kill is an important part of this game.If they are not placed correctly, they can cause great damage to the game environment

[limber hull]

last week

[cinder haven]

Good. So how many hours do you have?

[limber hull]

seems people really like to either underestimate rex or vastly overestimate stego

[limber hull]

2000. Not sure why that's relevant, but there

[cinder haven]

stego apartmioyozu we are telling the truth

[cinder haven]

nice 2.169

because there are huge conflicts between your balancing system and mine, you say stego is weak, I say it is very strong.

Who knows what trex, the animal that throws denio 4

[limber hull]

stego gets steamrolled by an animal half its size

it's not very powerful. the only thing that makes it remotely like that is the fact that it exists in a game where the only creature remotely near it in size is basically a pure aquatic that sucks in land PvP

[cinder haven]

If you're talking about diablo stego stun, you're right, daiblo doesn't take damage thanks to his head, but trex won't be as fast as daiblo.

[radiant nest]

well

thats not necesssarily entirely true

[limber hull]

you add anything near stego size that isn't deino, it's dead. Especially with its current day horrible stamina

[radiant nest]

i feel like stego would be a god candidate for lower base stam regen thresholds

along with lowered stam usage on its charged swings ofc

[cinder haven]

Anyway, our topic is not about stego or trex, we will see who is strong when it comes, our topic is carno, why do you want carno to be 1.300 kg?

[radiant nest]

though i have a feeling that stego is so weak rn purely to make it fit with the current roster better

[limber hull]

because i think the other buffs more than compensate, and carno has been a clunky, inconsistent mess for as long as EVRIMA has existed with its 1800kg weight

if we can get a carno that actually does the job it was set out to do since day 1 of EVRIMA at the cost of its weight, I'll take it

[cinder haven]

carno's 1.800 kg was ideal as a floor, what do you expect from him when you make 1.300 teno 1v1 hunting will be much harder to kill sub daiblo we won't kill pachy we will be destroyed by Utah I don't want to talk about it anyway, as for cera, canro cerata will still be beatable.

[limber hull]

then don't hunt teno. it already was well beyond carno's preferred hunting range

[cinder haven]

this nerf will only increase the dysfunction of this animal

[limber hull]

how

[cinder haven]

I don't want to hunt dyro or galli

[limber hull]

it already was not supposed to be hunting teno or cerato

[limber hull]

so the issue isn't carno itself

it's that you, personally, don't want to play carno as the animal it was set out to be

[cinder haven]

yes carno I don't want him to hunt galli or utah I want to kill the other big herbivores by knocking them down running and throwing sub-attacks on their heads

You're making the game boring.

[limber hull]

then you were never going to like what carno was going to be

because it flipping big herbivores was something the devs admitted was a mistake

[cinder haven]

Also, when the carno is 1.300 kg, what difference will the cera make, the only difference is speed and useless stun.

[limber hull]

how is the stun useless

also having the highest speed in the game is by no metric bad

[cinder haven]

When it is 1.300 kg, we will only stun a few animals, so if you want to take it, I believe that I will kill carno 1.300 very comfortably as a cera (yes, it may have been a bit turısz with the things I just said, but I said my opinion)

Yeah, running away instead of attacking your opponents.

[limber hull]

cera is meant to have that advantage, yes

[radiant nest]

in a carno vs cera fight, it is always the carno who decides if the fight happens

[cinder haven]

yeah my belief is carno this nerf will finish together you can't see it

[limber hull]

if you dont like the speedster animal having speed as its primary option of survival, then you're fundamentally misunderstanding

[cinder haven]

necessarily some people will play, but I don't think we will see much, even now when the number of people playing carno is small.

[limber hull]

yea, because current carno sucks

new carno seems a lot more fun with its actually functional charge

no cooldown, low stamcost

[cinder haven]

What difference does it make whether you're running away or going somewhere else, and they say it's 49.5 now, and they say it's going to increase.

yes galli utah dillo they are agile animals and smart players good luck to stun them

[limber hull]

its only 49.5 because of a scaling issue

[radiant nest]

dilo is not agile

[cinder haven]

Suppose he runs 55 or 60, will it be easier for him to turn?

[narrow nova]

But since carno is smaller we should buff it's bleed resist.to make it deal raptor better.

[radiant nest]

i was just about to say

i do think a bleed res buff is warranted now

[cinder haven]

After 2 utah jumps you will find yourself on the ground or you will bleed to death very quickly.

[radiant nest]

so it isnt forced out of a hunt by so little

[limber hull]

i think carno's bleed res def needs changes

[limber hull]

he used to run at 55.6km/hr. I wouldn't be mad if he got even faster

[radiant nest]

100 km/hr

[cinder haven]

Good luck escaping from your enemies

[limber hull]

what?

i'm faster than literally all of my enemies lmao

[narrow nova]

Down size,If they can hunt galli or raptor and eat full, why not

[limber hull]

that too. Lots more food from hunting galli, raptor, pachy or dilo

[radiant nest]

"carno is the fastest playable, but being even faster wouldnt be bad"

"well then you wont ever escape things"

[cinder haven]

If that speed can protect you from your enemies, yes, for example, a good cera player will not stop in an open field when she sees you.

[limber hull]

you're faster and have around the same stam, it literally will never catch you

[cinder haven]

I'm leaving, you guys stick around, we'll see how many times Carno is played when it comes to playing with the 1,300 kg cano.

[limber hull]

i'll certainly play it more lol

[radiant nest]

if the cera doesnt stop, its either gonna run out of stam while the carno is miles ahead or the carno was in really bad shape for fighting a cera and losing and will die like it should

[radiant nest]

same, seems more survivable

[limber hull]

current carno sucks. thinking that 1300kg carno is somehow worse is hysterical

[radiant nest]

also, might be able to fall farther with less weight?

[cinder haven]

You play, baby, cut the herb or jump between 4 Utah and they will give you the answer you need.

[limber hull]

everything about 1300kg carno is more fluid, fun and fitting

[limber hull]

if you jump between 4 omni on current carno you also get screwed? what?

you're acting as if that's a big new problem but carno already got killed by that

[radiant nest]

nope, cause carno cant jump

[cinder haven]

I meant 1,300 carno, jump between them and see what happens to you.

[narrow nova]

Please, we just need another top predator to take carno's place

[limber hull]

do that on 1800 carno and see what happens to you

[cinder haven]

Anyway, that's enough, I'm going to sleep anyway, you and me, my ideas don't work at all, you want more monotonous and realistic, I want a little faster, more exciting and moderately realistic.

[limber hull]

do we? because carno wasn't actually doing ANYTHING to teno or diablo before these changes. Not much has happened in that regard

[narrow nova]

You don't want carno nerf,you are just don't want top predator nerf.

[cinder haven]

I'm sure I'll last a little longer than you

[limber hull]

not with that pathetic charge LMAO

[radiant nest]

https://tenor.com/view/allo-allosaurus-evrima-the-isle-magy-gif-24816295

[limber hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568284971337252866/1274023078606802944/caption.gif

[radiant nest]

unequivocally true

[cinder haven]

You will weaken this too soon

[radiant nest]

allo = galli

[limber hull]

what

[narrow nova]

Teno now know carno is not threat anymore so cannibalism teno will become more

[limber hull]

PLAY current carno before you cry nerf

Anyone with any experience with carno can tell you that current carno is a joke.

[narrow nova]

Like stego and dibble

[cinder haven]

The translation is very bad, anyway, I'm going to bed, good night.

[limber hull]

People who actually want carno to be good are celebrating the fact it has a functional right click

The weight is meaningless comparitively to it having competent combat plans

[cinder haven]

I just played carno bruhh yesterday

[limber hull]

Teno already wasn't threatened by carno. Again, playing the game exposes how bad carno actually is

[cinder haven]

you continue to think so

[limber hull]

the thing takes 4 seconds of running and half its stam to knock over a gallimimus, and if it misses, it still loses all that stam AND is on a 20 second cooldown

i'm sorry, you can't justify that to me in a way that makes 1800kg carno seem good

[narrow nova]

Intuitive weight changes will make new players not afraid of carno too. It would be scary if new players thought teno was a cannibalistic animal at first.like dibble,bad behavior mod had already been settled

[lilac bolt]

wat

[limber hull]

you're acting as if carno has been any threat to teno as of late, when it just hasn't

[lilac bolt]

what would be the trade off for having a lighter carno in the first place?

[slender wraith]

anyone know how to get rid of a piece of meet stuck in your throat?

[narrow nova]

Hordetesting is more important then we thought In terms of species behavior.dibble is big and strong,main threat is from another dibble,so they kill each other

[slender wraith]

meat**

[lilac bolt]

relog

[slender wraith]

without reloging lol the que is wild at this time

[lilac bolt]

there is none i don't think

[limber hull]

Here's what's confirmed:

• Charge cooldown entirely removed
• Charge stamina cost MASSIVELY reduced or flat out removed

Unconfirmed, but possible:

• Speed my be getting an increase
• Bleed res may be getting an increase
• Agility may be getting an increase

[lilac bolt]

why are people so against a smaller carno that sounds great?

[narrow nova]

Since you have achieved your goal, when carno was 1800kg, you always stressed that carno should not threaten teno, because it did threaten teno.
Now...

Man I don't know what to say

[limber hull]

Unsure really. Seems people are hardset on the idea of it being a teno/cera hunter

Despite the fact the devs have always wanted it to hunt prey like galli/pachy/omni/dilo

[lilac bolt]

carno is a small game hunter though?

[limber hull]

Yup!

And it looks like it's about to be VERY good at its job

With charge no longer being a stam devourer

[limber hull]

It shouldn't be, and it currently isn't. Try hunting a teno on the current patch 1800kg carno, it won't end well

[lilac bolt]

thats good but if they want something like that they might just have to wait till allo its the only mid tier dino i see taking on teno or cera right now

[limber hull]

Cera will be in an interesting place, especially given it's getting buffs to deal with smalls

Honestly, it seems like it'll be hunting a lot less due to its nerfs against larger creatures like diablo or stego, but thrive just not dying and bullying the rest of the roster off corpses

[narrow nova]

Even though carno did not perform well in the past, the higher weight than teno still gives carno players some hope, and now that carno will run away from teno, bored teno players will start attacking any animal they catch, such as another teno

[uncut zephyr]

Which honestly makes sense for it considering corpse bullying is practically its whole thing

[limber hull]

I mean...

How many carnos have you seen lately?

[uncut zephyr]

Terrible animal

[limber hull]

Because I haven't seen many on account of it being absolute dogwater to play in current build

[narrow nova]

Still a lot ,at least carno is stronger than cerato

As a carnivore

[limber hull]

Yea, but that lead to cerato being carno's ONLY good matchup.

Carno sucked at hunting literally everything else

[narrow nova]

Indeed,I'm not gala say 1300 carno is a bad change ,it's good for carno and game environment.

[uncut zephyr]

Even dilo?

[limber hull]

Okay yea it was good at dilo too lol

it probably still will be good at dilo hunting after these changes

hell, arguably better

[uncut zephyr]

Feel like the charge change will make it considerably better at hunting a lot of things

[narrow nova]

But now teno and dibble is so big now,we need an enemy to force them make team.
If you can protect yourself by yourself, then you kill your own kind, and you've played this game for 2,000 hours, so you should know the law.

Stego deino and carno in update 3.5

[limber hull]

you say this, but this is nothing new. Teno has been uncontested by carno since diablo came out, the size nerf changes nothing in that regard

if anything, animals like dilo need to see buffs because as our residential larger game hunter besides omni and troodon, it really doesn't do much

[narrow nova]

Yes and I never say threat should came from carno

But threat is necessary

[limber hull]

is it though? what threatens the threat?

[lilac bolt]

carno should thrive at being able at hunting small dinos theres no reason to have the trade off of it maybe being able to kill cera or teno while being bad at what it should be good at

[narrow nova]

Maybe allo,idk

[limber hull]

what threatens allo if it's added

[narrow nova]

That's why we need allo more than ever

[lilac bolt]

anything bigger than it

[limber hull]

ya, 100%. The fact that carno has sucked at hunting galli is sad, since carno should be galli's primary threat

[narrow nova]

Teno pack？

[limber hull]

lmao unlikely

also, we're back to square one then

"teno and diablo should have something that threatens them 1v1"

but allo shouldn't?

[narrow nova]

Teno pack should just threat allo

[lilac bolt]

what could possibly challenge allo or should it be at the top of it own tier where not much could challenge it idk.

[narrow nova]

Why shouldn't？allo is stronger than teno and may equal rival as dibble

[limber hull]

i dont understand your mindset then

why should allo be exempt from the rules you just set in place

[narrow nova]

You mean cannibalism?

[limber hull]

no

if a teno pack threatens allo, then why can't an omni pack threaten teno atm? Why do we need allo, if packs are fine?

[narrow nova]

Allo of course should threaten by another allo

[limber hull]

?????

[vale pawn]

Wouldnt that apply to, everything

[limber hull]

it's not even a cannibalistic animal

also, then diablo should be threatened by another diablo

and teno by another teno

[uncut zephyr]

Problem solved

[narrow nova]

Man,1v1 Man

Raptor pack is not one player

[limber hull]

teno pack is not one player

[narrow nova]

Yes, allo threat a teno so teno need team to fight back

What the problem？

[limber hull]

omni hunt teno in packs so omni use packs to hunt

what's the problem?

[narrow nova]

Omni don't even eat teno

[limber hull]

diet problems are their own bag of worms lol

[lilac bolt]

yeah that could go on for a while

but uh what by itself should be able to pretty much equally challenge allo thats the main thing

[narrow nova]

Anyway we need a predator to make herbs feel kill own kind is bad for survive.

[lilac bolt]

should there be anything or should it stay on the top of dinos that are like it

[limber hull]

and if it's uncontested, then it's its own problem

[lilac bolt]

then it will just kill everything under it

there needs to be something somewhat equal to it or else that tier of dinos become unbalanced

[narrow nova]

Keeping the problem of cannibalism with top predators is good for the game environment.
Or herbs feel free to kill each other.

It's didn't matter,I don't need teammates and can still live good

[limber hull]

except allosaurus is a pack predator that most likely won't be a cannibal

also, cannibalism enables overpopulation in this game

[narrow nova]

Dibble don't even eat meat but still play like canni

You kind strong you canni,that's obvious

[lilac bolt]

yeah thats true hmmm maybe they don't necessarily have to be strong on their own close or a bit weaker than dibble maybe? but they can thrive in packs

[narrow nova]

That canni problem will finally end in Rex,they almost can't team each other.

[limber hull]

im hoping rex isn't a cannibal

[narrow nova]

And other animals will trust their won kind

[limber hull]

by that i mean, don't have its own kind on its diet

cannibalism is a colossal boon to overpopulation

[narrow nova]

Rex may not a canni ,but canni behavior will must be usual with Rex,any they still have canni mutation

[lilac bolt]

stuff like that is probably why the devs are worried about adding in rex and trike into officials could you imagine the packs of rexes that could happen

[limber hull]

oh yea, rexes should ABSOLUTELY kill their own kind over food and territory, 100% agree with that

[narrow nova]

What if you have to use canni mutation to gain enough nutrition？

Every Rex will choose it

[vale pawn]

Id deal with a canni rex over a photo tissue rex any day

[cinder haven]

My friend, maybe you are right, the new carno may really be better than the old one...

[narrow nova]

But it is at least better than stego kill each other or dibble kill each other.

[limber hull]

god i hate that mut

[cinder haven]

But I want to ask something, do you think the new carno teno can kill?

[limber hull]

in packs... perhaps? unlikely solo

[narrow nova]

So leave canni problem to top predator,and other species will be safe from their own kind

[uncut zephyr]

People can also just canni because they feel like it

[limber hull]

that too lol

[uncut zephyr]

Like there's nothing really stopping them

[cinder haven]

Actually, now that I thought about it, you are right, the new carno is a huge danger, probably the teno is a stunner, there is a 300kg difference between them anyway.

[narrow nova]

Predator threat will.

[limber hull]

no it wont lol

pachy cannis continue to exist

[narrow nova]

Exist Indeed, but will less offen

No one can cancel canni

But can make that less happen

[uncut zephyr]

The people who go out of their way to kill their own species likely won't care if something else kills them too

[narrow nova]

So they get very little pleasure

And keep dying

Finally try change their way to play

[cinder haven]

I like to kill my own kind sometimes

[narrow nova]

What species you play when kill own kind？

[cinder haven]

Dino Cera used to be a carno and stego moron, but it can't be said that he does it very often, he is generally peaceful, but I did it and it is nice to cut DIY plants with patches, but I also try it, the translation may be wrong.

[cinder haven]

By the way, Carano stuns Temp at 1300 kg, right?

If that's the case, I'll get used to it much faster. 20 minutes is my opinion.

[narrow nova]

I also kill own kind sometimes,as stego.
Your words support my point that, with the exception of deino and cerato, only non-threatened species use cannibalism as a common option

[narrow nova]

Maybe 650 knock down,1300stun

I don't know

[cinder haven]

👍🏻

[limber hull]

we're unsure of the stun conditions with the rework

[cinder haven]

Adult Teno I believe we will know, idiots, there is already a difference of 300 kg

[limber hull]

what?

who's an idiot now?

[cinder haven]

??

[limber hull]

you said idiot lol

[cinder haven]

There may be a translation error, anyway, in short, we will find Teno a stunner, this is probably enough for me, I hope the update will come soon.

[narrow nova]

Now with the threat of teno,carno and the wish to hunt dibble,even cerato canni less than before,especially when single cerato meet another one.

[cinder haven]

Sorry, translation sometimes gives errors

[limber hull]

@swift herald great idea, besides this

"Gas bombs to put dinosaurs to sleep, so humans could capture the dinosaur, put it in a cage and take it to the base for studies"

this is a surefire way to ruin people's games and troll beyond compare. Not the gas bombs, mind you, the capturing, caging and studying part

[swift herald]

to avoid abuse, the dinosaur could fall asleep for about 2-3 minutes and after waking up it could fight in the cage to try to break it, for example, humans could have 10 minutes to catch the dinosaur and take it to a base, if they don't get there in time, the cage would be too weak and the dinosaur could break it with blows to the body and head

[limber hull]

okay but here's what a lot of people would do

put the dino to sleep
lock it in the cage
shoot it before it can break out in the 10 minutes, killing it

[swift herald]

The ideal would be to be able to kill it when it arrived at the base, to study the carcass

If they didn't arrive in time the dinosaur would have had the opportunity to escape

[limber hull]

people generally don't like extremely long periods of not getting to play the game at all

[swift herald]

being captured by humans would basically mean you lost a battle, and could be killed in 10 minutes or have the chance to escape

[urban flax]

So getting put to sleep is a 10 minute timeout

And people are already mad at needing to rest for 3 minutes

[limber hull]

isnt it by a gas grenade which would be extremely difficult for a dinosaur to do anything about

[swift herald]

This is just a suggestion, the dinosaur could be killed after being immobilized or whatever is best for everyone

[limber hull]

i think that's probably not best for anyone lol

i'd suggest mainly not having capturing mechanics for dinos in this game

[swift herald]

The gas grenade didn't knock the dinosaur down immediately, it all depends on how long the dinosaur was in the smoke, maybe it had time to run and fall asleep further ahead, or even escape.

[limber hull]

everything else is fine, but capturing mechanics are just going to make people upset

[swift herald]

given the number of cages in the arts, I believe there is something to do with capture, even if it is just being able to capture bots

So wouldn't capturing bots be a viable and legal solution for humans?

[limber hull]

the cages are stated to be purely there for aesthetic reasons, or just to mess around inside of. They have been referenced to be non-functional in gameplay beyond being cool worldbuilding

[limber hull]

adds a level of confusion to having to be able to figure out what is and isnt a bot, and hurts immersion by making specific dinosaurs inexplicably immune to capture because someone is playing it

[swift herald]

I see your point, I'm just trying to give dynamic suggestions so that the human isn't just something to batch and shoot dinosaurs, I hope to have things to do, because when they focus on humans, they could be focusing on a lot of dinosaurs, so I hope the humans have fun mechanics

Nothing I put there is right, they are just ideas to retain what is good and discard what is not interesting.

[midnight heath]

#general-feedback message Quetzalcoatlus's feet aren't meant for nor can they grasp things. They're more akin for walking as far as we're aware.

Also picking up and dropping players would be a really unfun way to perish given how unforgiving falling from most heights are.

[full pewter]

I love pointing out to people that pterosaur feet have more in common with human feet than even most primates. All their toes are at the front and they even walk on their heels. In short they were for walking and swimming, little else

[limber hull]

@full pewter dondi is currently trying to get apexes on officials

[full pewter]

Ah, didn’t hear of this, good to know:)

[midnight heath]

🤝 I do not like how alike to human feet they are, but it is pretty funny to point out when people suggest it.

[limber hull]

he was challenged so you know he's gonna do it out of spite

[full pewter]

It should happen anyway, so why delay

[midnight heath]

I think apexes will be fine on officials once we have a good few of them to help buffer between mids and apexes.

[full pewter]

I’d hope the next batch at least focuses on adding size mergers, like para or sucho

[midnight heath]

I'm so much more excited for sucho than I am bary

[limber hull]

we got floodplains confirmed for suchos to rumpus about, all on top of the swamp changes :)

[midnight heath]

I'm gonna eat well maybe even

[uncut zephyr]

Sucho stays winning

[full pewter]

Shallow water areas for sure, could also include tidal flats

[teal fulcrum]

#general-feedback message

why don't we just hang deino bells around our necks so they can be seen and heard? sarcasm mod off
when the deino is above water, it makes a roaring sound and swims loudly. this is enough to see them if the player has eyes and ears

[hybrid viper]

ahahahaha

totally agree

[teal fulcrum]

[hybrid viper]

[warm terrace]

Yeah, cringe

[limber hull]

idk glowing eyes look pretty cool to me

[teal fulcrum]

ye, but not when you can see them without NV

[limber hull]

i mean

the amount of deinos that actively stick their head up above water seems pretty low, i dont think it's that big a deal

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr They do listen to feedback.

[barren zephyr]

like what feedback have they listened too

[cyan flame]

Night vision (that's gotten changes, and are getting more again), various balance issues (carno is finally hopefully getting a proper identity), stamina was adjusted from how it started out and so on. They do take feedback into account, depending on how well it aligns with their vision.

[limber hull]

entire game exists as it does today because of feedback

[barren zephyr]

idk in my opinion carno has always been busted, and imo they just should listen to a lot more of the feedback people give

[barren zephyr]

a little

[limber hull]

no, entirely

if it weren't for feedback, herbivores wouldn't be playable and there'd be a total of 3 playable dinosaurs

[cyan flame]

Maybe so, but most of the feedback people give is either not very good, or does not match their ideas for the game

[barren zephyr]

i agree

[barren zephyr]

i dont think that at all, i think that they built their concept on legacy, the hole point what i think for evirma is that they wanted to better more up to date game

[limber hull]

i mean the isle in general

legacy would've literally just been 3 dinos and humans and that'd be the game

if not for feedback

and it probably would've ended there

[barren zephyr]

idk how u think that

why would they make evirma only 3 dinos

[limber hull]

it wasnt going to be EVRIMA

this would've been The Isle in general

EVRIMA would never had existed if not for that initial feedback that changed the game's direction

[limber hull]

@hidden whale i dont know if you saw, but carno is getting a lot more buffed than nerfed. the weight is hardly a concern when put against the buffs its getting

[hidden whale]

400 health down and 3km slower is hardly a concern???

no 500 health

[limber hull]

oh, the speed is not going to stay down at all

thats an issue from scaling, not a balance change

[hidden whale]

but still carno doesnt need changes

[limber hull]

it really does

[hidden whale]

its bad

[limber hull]

it's in a godawful state right now, it's one of the worst designed animals in the game

[hidden whale]

then why is it getting nerfed health??

[limber hull]

with these changes, its charge will actually not be one of the worst attacks in the game

in fact, its charge is absolutely fantastic now

[hidden whale]

charge is beautiful

[limber hull]

no more cooldown, far less stamdrain

[hidden whale]

its awful for people who dont know how to use it

ifi play a dino for 1 hour and say it needs to be changed then it doesnt matter

i always play carno and in this version its fine

[limber hull]

because carnotaurus has had an identity crisis for the longest time. Every buff to make it perform better against the small game its meant to hunt ends up just making it obliterate cerato/teno, and every nerf to make it worse against cerato makes it worse overall

carnotaurus is meant to be a small game hunter. the idea is to encourage more small game hunting, and with a lower weight, not only can it feed itself off the smaller creatures better, but it no longer can fight the creatures it was never meant to consistently challenge

[hidden whale]

in this game the fact its supposed to be a small game hunter doesnt mean anything, when have they decided to bring realism??

[limber hull]

realistically, it isn't a small game hunter lol

but they don't care about realism

[hidden whale]

carno is meant to be a small game hunter?

[limber hull]

yea, in this game

that's the niche the devs want it to fulfil

[hidden whale]

the devs dont play their game

this shows it

[limber hull]

they clearly do enough to know current carno is a complete trashfire lol

[hidden whale]

carno is only bad for people who dont know how to use it

if your bad at carno you will say its "trashfire"

[limber hull]

i'm not bad at carno. i can hunt with it. it's still absolute dogwater design

the fact the charge has ALL of those restrictions is godawful

stamina, cooldown and runup

you need to spend around 30-40% of your stambar to knock over a gallimimus

[hidden whale]

even with the restrictions its still useful

[limber hull]

fails at the job of small game hunting though

[hidden whale]

if you need to knock over a gali to kill it thats its own problem

[limber hull]

if you need to put that much effort and resources into making an attack useful against a creature less than 25% of your weight, i think that's a bigger problem

[hidden whale]

one tap charge on a head will bring it to its orange health

its all about the player

[limber hull]

or we can have a well designed carno that doesn't rely on people having to figure out all of its jank to make it actually work

[hidden whale]

the charge is not complicated

[limber hull]

it is literally 3x more complicated than it needs to be

[hidden whale]

you press the button if you charge for a length of time you can stun or knock it down

how is that complicated

[limber hull]

carno, atm, fails at the very design it sets out to do. It is currently best when it is bullying ceratos (animals it was never supposed to consistently fight against), and dogwater when actually hunting the small game it was meant to hunt

[hidden whale]

omnis is the easiest kill for carno

i have cant recall the last time ive died to an omni when im fg

[limber hull]

so if i were to say "1300kg carno is fine, just comes down to the player", would that also be applicable?

because if we're seriously pulling that card, every playable is like that

[hidden whale]

it makes carno harder to play for no reason

it will still be playable its just gonna be much harder

[limber hull]

so does its current charge LMAO

[hidden whale]

you do not play carno

its charge is fine

ive neveer struggled with it

[limber hull]

you cannot tell me that having a button that instantly erases your stam on a 20 second cooldown is awesome for it

[hidden whale]

it s not 20 seconds

[limber hull]

it literally is

[hidden whale]

it llike 10

[limber hull]

it's 20 lmao

[hidden whale]

dam

even though its still useable

[limber hull]

and 1300kg carno is still usable

[hidden whale]

did you read my suggestion

or just decide you comment on it

[limber hull]

i did. i disagreed

you think carno got a random nerf, when it got plenty buffs

it is not a nerf, it's a rebalance to what its actually supposed to do

[hidden whale]

which buffs

[limber hull]

the several charge buffs

the removal of the cooldown and far better stam efficiency

[hidden whale]

i think alot of other people are agreeing with me on this one

[limber hull]

cool lol

but im sure the devs would rather a charge that doesn't suck to the abomination of design that is current one lol (hence the rework)

especially given many people have complained for a while about how underpowered and unfun carno is

[hidden whale]

it should be what the players want

thats my whole arguement

[limber hull]

the players haven't even seen the rework do anything besides run around and charge a deer and are convinced carno is ruined

[hidden whale]

ok

[limber hull]

its not like the devs cant just go into the game and change 1300 to 1800 if they want to

besides, we'll be getting it in a hordetest first, not straight to live

[hidden whale]

alright

[finite lagoon]

@hidden whale Carno isn't meant to be a bulky powerhouse, it's a midsized pursuit predator and I feel like the rework better reflects that.

If you're exclusively going up for 1v1+'s against Teno's, Diablo's etc and expecting easy wins, you're playing Carno wrong. (Also them getting floored by Tenos has always been a thing, not sure why this is being framed as brand new)

[limber hull]

true. modern day carno gets dumpstered pretty hard by teno lmao

[hidden whale]

i think you actively check this section just to msg on discord

[hidden whale]

tenos are easy diablos arent worth going for

[finite lagoon]

So then what's your complaint? I read it as "Tenos/Diablos beat me too much"

[hidden whale]

then you didnt read my suggestion

or you cant read

either way

[finite lagoon]

No, no. I did. I'm just not understanding how you're getting "knocked down" all the time enough to post the feedback about weight class if it's not Teno or Diablo beating you too much

[hidden whale]

knocked down??

im talking anout stats

about*

less health and possibly slower

[finite lagoon]

Okay, then elaborate. When you say brought to the ground I took that literally 😂

[hidden whale]

oh

[finite lagoon]

I doubt it'll be slower, speed's it's whole thing

Well, stamina sprints but still

[hidden whale]

it doesnt need health nerfs

[cyan flame]

Maybe not, but if the devs want it, so be it

Same with dibble size, it doesnt need to be that big, but its what they want

Hopefully the other carno changes will make it actually good now, and properly good at its supposed job

[finite lagoon]

I mean I think you're putting the carriage before the horse here. We haven't even seen it in action yet.

[hidden whale]

again my other point, carno is NOT bad

[cyan flame]

While maybe finally making it less powerful in larger groups, unlike before

[cyan flame]

Except it is, not as a playable per say, but bad at its supposed job

[hidden whale]

wait i cant type to 2 people at once

[hidden whale]

what job?

[cyan flame]

Carno as a playable is okay, if not really that great, but it's not really good at its job

[cyan flame]

Hunting small, agile, game. Omni, galli, dryo, herrera, dilo (well dilo is good prey because it has rather bad turn radius itself) and so on. And currently a bit too good vs cerato for that matter, which is something that is also meant to change

As for teno, it might also get downsized so there is that

[hidden whale]

omni is the easiet to kill

and people dont play dryos

people dont play galli either and dilo gets hit once and runs away

carno is very good at its supposed "job"

[limber hull]

people play galli, it's very strong this patch

they've got killsquads taking down ceratos and carnos lmao

[hidden whale]

not against carno

[limber hull]

nah, its killing carno too

[hidden whale]

i need to see that

[limber hull]

there's videos around of it

its very funny

galli's insane stamina, bleed and trotrate just make it destroy carnos and ceras with ease

and if they group up, they can outpace carno, meaning the carno is doomed to effectively slowly die to them

[sonic cloud]

@hidden whale how are you even passing judgement on a change that hasn't even been put live?

[hidden whale]

because i have common sense at can see that 500 health down on a dino will affect i tbadly

[cyan flame]

Clearly you've not been grappled xD

[hidden whale]

they can try

[limber hull]

you realise omni at one point got a 550HP nerf and was fine afterwards lol

[cyan flame]

If it was only that change, you'd have a point, but it's not only that change

[hidden whale]

omni was never 900 hp

[limber hull]

it was 1000HP in Update 3

[cyan flame]

Omni used to be 1K hp, stego used to be 4K hp

[sonic cloud]

We have no idea if Carno's agility, will change, how it's stamina will change, we don't know how its biteforce will change, we don't know how it's growth time will change we know it's speed will increase from 49.5 and we know the charge is getting buffed. All we really know is that the health and weight has been decreased

[hidden whale]

ok 3 people

all at once

[floral spire]

Totally different playables, Omni would be OP that way, Carno was fine before at 1800

[hidden whale]

i cant type that fast

[cyan flame]

We know that the charge, apparently, no longer has cooldown, and cost much less stam

[limber hull]

well, its stamina is improved

[limber hull]

people thought omni was fine at 1000HP

[sonic cloud]

Even worse, we know that it will be getting other buffs to compensate and you are acting like this is a flat nerf

@hidden whale then take your time, we'll wait

[cyan flame]

Take your time, and respond as you see fit, this isn't some kind of competition where you must answer or answer in a given time. We're all here to talk, that's all there is to it

[hidden whale]

thats a nerf THAT IS NEEDED

[cyan flame]

They also thought omni shredding stego was fine xD

[hidden whale]

i have stuff to do

i dont wanna typeon discord all day]

[floral spire]

I'd say that's still very different, Omni is smaller built, and for it to weigh that much doesn't make sense, Carno looks and feels like it's 1800 kg

[hidden whale]

ima dip goodbye

[sonic cloud]

ok

[cyan flame]

Current model does, yes, but I imagine it'll get a downsize too

[limber hull]

carno's size was actively reduced to go with the weight changes

[cyan flame]

Just like dibble got heavier to match it's size

[limber hull]

so it stands much less tall

[cyan flame]

Though 1300 is a tiny carno, I expected something like 1500 or so

[limber hull]

there's actually a clip where a cerato eats from a carno body and they're quite similar in size

[floral spire]

1500 Carno could be interesting

[sonic cloud]

I expected heavier too, something like 1500-1600kg, but tbf it's not like you need to be that big to hunt animals that range from Dryo to Dilo in size (150kg-700kg) so im fine with it

[cyan flame]

At least now you can make an argument that stego power swing (standing) could be nerfed to 1500 damage, giving the jab 750, and the running power swing 2250 damage or so. Since you can still oneshot a tiny carno with less damage now.

[floral spire]

In the same way, you don't need to be so much smaller to hunt small animals effectively

[limber hull]

i mean, to be fair, 1300kg actually lets it sustain itself off the small game it's apparently meant to hunt

[sonic cloud]

exactly

[floral spire]

That is true

[cyan flame]

You don't, carnos issues were never really the size, but rather the kit (charge)

[sonic cloud]

its not realistic, but it will improve Carno's gameplay. Gameplay > Realism

[limber hull]

hell, i would not be mad if carno got made faster than it is even now, able to catch gallis in sprint more consistently

[floral spire]

Gallis still outmanuever it

Though raising its speed wouldn't be a good idea, it's fine imo

[sonic cloud]

I have always imagine Carnotaurus as a peregrine falcon that runs really fast instead of stooping, not a cheetah that outmanouvers its food

[limber hull]

i imagine it as a bull that eats meat

[sonic cloud]

charge at a galli so quickly that it has no time to react

[limber hull]

you know

carnotaurus

[floral spire]

Good one

[sonic cloud]

give it 56-60kmph

[floral spire]

I don't know about that one

[limber hull]

eh, i much prefer the pursuit style of hunting of carnivore, not an ambush

[floral spire]

It makes more sense as a semi-ambush. If it can't catch its prey off guard, it can still easily catch up and knock 'em down

[limber hull]

idk, i think it can work fine as a primary pursuit hunter

[finite lagoon]

Thisssss.... Idk how people keep mistaking carno for trex 😂

It is not a brawler. It's not meant to facetank equivalent sized dinos

[limber hull]

idk, i think people will let the whole thing blow over when they play the thing and it actually is good at what its supposed to be doing

[finite lagoon]

Lower weight class de-incentivizes risky gameplay precisely because Carno doesn't need to be in those situations

[finite lagoon]

Yeah, almost definitely

[limber hull]

its like people forget the health is really no issue when you can go "hm I don't like this situation I've found myself in. farewell"

[finite lagoon]

Legit. Carno be fast, carno runs forever, what is the malfunction here 😂

[limber hull]

like ptera got a health and weight nerf a while ago and its survivability basically remained unchanged because the thing has just unmatched mobility

[finite lagoon]

They could set ptera hp to 0.05 and it wouldn't change their gameplay much tbh 😂 just be more careful not to crash. Though I'm not really sure where ptera fits in the meta rn, it's fun to fly but doesn't do much

[limber hull]

with the new changes to charge, no more will carno be forced to 100% commit to a fight whenever it charges because it actually has stamina after the initial charge

it can pick a fight, realise it's bad, go "no thank you" and immediately speedblitz off and NOTHING will catch it

[limber hull]

ptera's also getting a rework, funnily enough

[finite lagoon]

Legit, this is how carno is meant to play. I think people just... have a hard time running away. Ego fr

[limber hull]

making it a more terrestrial animal, designed to interact with herreras/hypsis, as well as spend more time on the ground and in trees. It's getting new fishing and combat options to better befit this playstyle

[finite lagoon]

Ooooh I hope that's true

[limber hull]

it's a whole duelist mindset, but also, carno's currently not great at running away from fights its engaged with atm

because charge is such a commital move atm

you are basically spending a huge chunk of your stamina for your main attack, meaning your retreat options get butchered

carnos new playstyle will likely be a lot more endurance focused, chasing you down, never letting you escape or get in range of it and landing hits as it bulldozes its small prey

[finite lagoon]

Yeah, that to me is a needed change. Not only to balance out carno but to add more depth to the meta.

[sonic cloud]

Allosaurus will fill and exceed the niche of old Carno (Cerato bully) while being slower, longer to grow and more balanced

[limber hull]

true. if we need something to pick on cera, it's allo

ironically, new carno literally doesn't care about allo because it can go "good heavens, that's an allo, bye" and just vanish across the plains LMAO

[sonic cloud]

tbf old carno wouldn't either at 55kmph

[limber hull]

true, true

i just realised this is the second time that carno has had its size and weight decreased

it was also nerfed the same way in U3

[sonic cloud]

Was it?

It was always 1800 in Evrima

[limber hull]

not in U3. It got a nerf from I believe 2000-something

[sonic cloud]

Oh in legacy yeah it was 2170

[floral spire]

That was certainly too much

[sonic cloud]

But the model was smaller, look at old legacy pics came Utah and up to Carno’s stomach and it was flat out smaller than Cerato

[limber hull]

that was back where weight was a far more impactful balancing factor

[floral spire]

Cera and Dilo were heavier in Legacy too, no?

[limber hull]

so they often did stupid weight numbers to compensate for how much weight mattered

that's why rex is made of styrofoam and utahraptor is made of tungsten

[floral spire]

Do we know what the changes to charge are? Stamina? Speed? Turn?

[sonic cloud]

Best picture I could find on short notice, but this was how small Carno was compared to Omni/Utah in legacy

[limber hull]

Weight down
Charge cooldown goneso
Charge stamina either heavily reduced or flat removed

there are likely other changes we didn't quite get to see

[floral spire]

Interesting

Is the model being changed to be smaller, too?

[limber hull]

yes it is

i shoulda mentioned, yea, he's smaller now

[rough turret]

Guys it starts when I enable NVIDIA DLSS do you know how to fix it? (I want to keep NVIDIA dlss)

[limber hull]

i think the only way is to disable DLSS

[rough turret]

But how can other people have it normally

[limber hull]

i dont think they do

[rough turret]

Ok ty

[hidden mist]

I do :^) I just enabled it at one point and then restarted the game. This bug may also appear after the first restart, then I just re-apply the settings again, turn the game off and on. When the game loads up, I go into the settings, also re-apply them, then enter any server. Tbh I just re-apply settings like all the time.

[indigo mural]

I like how nobody cares that dilo’s main ability is still broken asf, but when carno gets a minor nerf/buff everyone is about to loose their minds

[cyan flame]

People do care, but there's not much to do but wait for it to be fixed

There's not much to argue about, since it's a matter of if it works or not, rather than if it is buffed or nerfed

[blazing grove]

#general-feedback message

[indigo mural]

It would just be nice if it was given the same level of attention since it’s been this way for a long duration and is a vital aspect of the creatures gameplay. They’ve even showcased dilo and it’s ability in the most recent content trailer/dossier with it still being broken and with no news on any progress towards new tweaks for the mechanic

[limber hull]

@boreal briar excited to see the reception on that one

[cyan flame]

@valid ether I actually agree, I think current dilo venom mechanic is kind of meh, and would like it to be far more of an actual illusory technique to trick players rather than just shadow clone warfare

[valid ether]

Yeah, I just find that it feels very rough around the edges, and there's a limit to how good the AI can get.
But even if they put a lot of work into the AI to solve all the issues it has; frankly, I don't think it would be worthwhile.

I'm suprised how many disagree, is it because people would rather have the devs focus on new additions, or are people really that fond of AI dilo clones?

.
And some issues likely can't get a satisfactory fix, simply because of the large variety of landscape.
That's just speculation though

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

it baffles me when people see just objective QoL and go "no i dont want that" lol

the alternative is just being thrown in 5 miles away from your buddy LMAO

[cinder haven]

@swift herald very nice idea but they can't bring it to the game, the game is very likely to crash 😄 I think they can't adjust it, even if they want to, but they can add lava into the fireside