general-feedback-discussion

[remote relic]

they HANGRY

[hardy vine]

@queen pike yea I agree, dondi focuses on humans little bit too much, if it was up to me humans wouldn’t even be added at all, he really needs to fix the fatal errors

@maiden anvil plus the old AI and squirrels

[maiden anvil]

Heck yeah

Squirrels would be great for juvenile Herrera

[uncut dome]

Lag is making PvP impossible

it is horrendous

[hardy vine]

Yea and in sancs

[modest kestrel]

#general-feedback message especially with deinosuchus as crocodiles can go months without eating

[hardy vine]

yea

[hearty robin]

Game is black screening pc on launch since update. Reinstalled. Cleared config. Same issue.

To clarify, the game is freezing the entire PC and requring me to hold the power button to shut it off to regain control.

[torn merlin]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1270165329686827089 imo, this could be put into the game if you make them not get any mutations from the mother. Doesn't matter if the parent is 2nd gen, the babies should get no mutations when they hatch

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1270182962054430760 These should give more diet overall 😭

[limber hull]

they got nerfed a while ago on horde test. stego atm is in a really bad spot, genuinely surprised its current state went to live, given how bad it is

[cyan flame]

I take it it's as nerfed as always then?

[limber hull]

oh yes

[waxen moss]

Was testing fighting with stego vs diablo the diablo stunned me like 4 times a row couldnt even tail swing

[icy lion]

@leaden terrace Send /unstuck in game chat to use the unstuck command

[leaden terrace]

on god thanks

still only works like half the time

apparently theres a player near me

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil Despite literally advocating for this very type of diets, the fact you made it universal for EVERY dinosaur I very much disagree with
#general-feedback message

It doesn't account for an animal's unique niche, special interactions, preferred types of hunts, etc. It being universal just makes it even more difficult for some animals to engage with it

[urban flax]

I wondered why you disagreed with it until I read the entire post

And yeah, diets being universal for carnivores isn't good either

[limber hull]

it's why my system, while similar, focuses on what the animal is actually meant to do

[urban flax]

I read it as "it's why my system, while similar, is better"

[limber hull]

what did you say, you fool

[barren zephyr]

Is the Rain still bugged or just spawning more rarely? HT had like 3-4 rain events in 2 hrs that lasted insanely long, might've been to test how the Mutations work but ye

[junior nymph]

@weary thunder I feel like herbis SHOULD be more powerful than their carnivore counterparts but only on defense which is what they are good at

[tight iron]

they finally made rain less common

[junior nymph]

it will lead to legacy all over again

where carnivores decimate herbis

[barren zephyr]

Thing is, we currently only have regular Carnis, no real Apex's — an Apex is a threat to any Herbi and that should be that way.

But one fg cera shouldn't be a sole threat to a FG stego if we compare them as equally skilled.

A good coordinated Omni pack can tage on bigger Herbis - Pack hunters.

[limber hull]

yea but like

did they need to plunge us into a thousand years of drought LMAO

[junior nymph]

no I am talking about later on if we keep the same thing it will lead to a solo rex decimating herbis left and right and the herbis cant do crap leading to no one wanting to play it

[tight iron]

good question 🤔

i personally like rain once a few days so im ballin rn

[barren zephyr]

Yeah that's tru
Buuuut, we'll find out once it all drops because I think a herd of stegos or Dibbles can still do some chunk.

[junior nymph]

I have not died to a stego or dibble unless I have attacked them since they are super easy to spot and slow as hell

[limber hull]

sadly, fullgrown ceratos are far too good at taking out big things. I still believe they need an entire rework to their bile to prevent this, because they don't scare omnis or dilos half as much as they should, while scaring diablos and stegos far more than they should

[limber hull]

yea, idk why people haven't figured out that if you aren't equipped to fight a stego or diablo, you can always leave

[tight iron]

they can catch up, deal a crap ton of damage, and have good agility

[junior nymph]

EXACTLY

[tight iron]

that's what makes em great hunters

[latent olive]

honourable combat...........to the death............

[junior nymph]

most dibbles and stegos get salty that one of em died so they camp

[limber hull]

i mean, those elements aren't what's scary to the diablos and stegos though, it's the stuns on the vomit

[tight iron]

eh, that's more of a small addition

[barren zephyr]

Cera is supposed to be more of a scavenger, hence why he 'moans' near corpses.
He isn't directly supposed to hunt big things.

Maximum would be to fight Omnis.

[tight iron]

moans

[barren zephyr]

Don't know what its called haha

[tight iron]

chuff

[limber hull]

you coulda picked any other words LMAO

[barren zephyr]

Non native english speaker:( don't bully me pls xd

[limber hull]

ah, fair enough

[tight iron]

lolz dw about it im just being goofy

[barren crater]

massive addition imo. Lower food, water and hunger is a huge benefit for cera. Also the ability to get additional hits off.

[tight iron]

im not a native speaker either

[tight iron]

tbh, you win the fights by damage not by spamming vomit

thing is tho it forces you to stop camping so...

[limber hull]

no, vomit spam is absolutely the gamechanger in big game hunts

[barren zephyr]

He makes funny noises tho, thats what I mean kek

[barren crater]

^ Stego would maul cerato without it lol

[limber hull]

it's why i want cerato's septic bite bacterial appliaction to scale with weight. Omnis and other smalls really need to learn to respect cerato more than they do, and ceratos need to learn that some things aren't easy pickings

also, again, cerato puking adult rex is just wrong

[weary thunder]

this

[barren zephyr]

Also - you don't go into any fight and just be like: Oh another carni, kill!

You prepare, you think, make it slow.
In the end, 5+ hrs Progression can be lost and being minimally low on water or hunger changes a full fight too. Almost running out of diet etc.

[barren zephyr]

If the game wants to go the realism route to its fullest, Rex will have similar biteforce to Deino. That means a cera wont go near that rex.

[limber hull]

rex will likely have a far greater biteforce lol

[dry falcon]

Moaning could be a better deterrent maybe

[tranquil vale]

@proven turret
/unstuck to get unstuck

[proven turret]

i tried that and it didnt do anything 😦 ive logged out to log back in to see if that helps otherwise im going to starve to death

[proven turret]

are there admins in the game who can manually teleport me out of the tree im stock in on server EU 5?

[latent olive]

@livid blade lmao no

[livid blade]

Why not? This way It opens lot of possibilities. Like in old legacy where you could team Up against bigger treaths...

[limber hull]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[wooden agate]

devs are against carni x carni packs and against carni x herbi packs because of how utterly awful they break balance

mega hunting packs of 8 omnis 3 carnos 4 ceras would be awful

actually correction, they are awful because this already happens

[livid blade]

Iknow, but maybe you limit It extremeely to like Only 2 members in same group (if its carni mixpacking) so you can go cera with dilo (for example)

[barren zephyr]

Nah cuz then you could just abuse that system by having multiple sets of 2 people per group

[livid blade]

Then make It easier to find groups of your own species.

[limber hull]

broadcast exists

[remote relic]

#general-feedback message @tawny pendant Honestly an adult boar is probable 2-3x the weight of a pteranodon, it sort of makes sense that it should body you.

probably shouldnt be on the diet though since that's the case

[boreal briar]

I disagree, Boar are slow and big enough to wreck by pecking while flying. Half grown and you should be able to kill one

[remote relic]

You arnt going to peck a boar to death their hides are crazy thick

a baby, sure

a deer, sure

boars are built different

[boreal briar]

No, not in this game. They die like anything else does.

[remote relic]

According the the complaint i responded to, they dont lol

I'm just trying to say a boar vs a pteranodon is probably a more fair fight than one might think, it should be a little threatening

[cyan flame]

@lone sparrow Maybe if the attacks were actually quick and efficient normally, it'd be more reasonable to make it worse when out of stam. But for now, it's already bad, no need to make it even worse.

[lone sparrow]

The stego tail attack have literally no différence from full stam and low stam so broken dude

Im still in my argument, for get slow tail attack when out of stam

[limber hull]

okay but you can say that about every directional attack LMAO

should raptor get a slow alt-attack for being out of stam?

[lone sparrow]

All dino need malus when stam is out

Look tenon spam alt attack without stam and face tank cera

Look so unbalanced

No chance for carni to deal

[limber hull]

cerato isnt supposed to be hunting tenonto so if its getting alt-spammed to death thats on it

[lone sparrow]

What i suposse to hunt with cera well

Maybe juvi and spawn kill ?

[limber hull]

you're supposed to scavenge

you have every single possible tool at your disposal for scavenging and bullying

[lone sparrow]

Yes and when server dont have many player ?

Or restart ?

The spaming attack stam its just useless please fix.

[limber hull]

you're not going to find much to hunt either on a server with not many players, so I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove

[lone sparrow]

Why i dont suppose to win an fight when prey is out of stam ?

And me im full

[limber hull]

you... can though, if you play well

[lone sparrow]

Ik im a cera main

[icy lion]

Animals should be weak when out of stam, not totally useless

[lone sparrow]

So ik issue but still broken

[limber hull]

a stamless tenonto is very easy to kill as a cerato if you don't literally do the one dumb thing you can do and facetank it

[icy lion]

Allowing alt attacks while on 0 stam prevents the latter

[cyan flame]

I don't think any attack has a difference from full or no stam, unless it's where you can't attack at all without stam. But making an already bad attack worse is just bad, no reason for that. Maybe if the attacks were good, then it'd be reasonable to make them worse off without stam, but that is not currently the case.

[lone sparrow]

I see an stego close to rock and only spam attack for 1hours

No one can deal with him.

[cyan flame]

Then leave it and go find something else, you lost the hunt

[limber hull]

(if it's that relaint on terrain that's probably indicative of it being bad, not good)

[lone sparrow]

So i leave the fight

[cyan flame]

Maybe all attacks should take stam, and be worse to use out of stam

Including basic bites, so it's all fair all around

[lone sparrow]

Stego need patch from tail attack still think that

[icy lion]

I wouldn't particularly be opposed, basic bites could cost like 1% or .5% maybe lol

[lone sparrow]

The spamming is overpowered

[icy lion]

But who knows, lots of things are nice on paper

[cyan flame]

It would be interesting to try out at the very least

[limber hull]

lmao stego already has extremely stam inefficient tail attacks, last thing it needs is even worse time with stam

[cyan flame]

It's not spamming, the attack is very baitable and bad, and the new attack is almost worse after all the nerfs

[lone sparrow]

I dont talk about cost

[cyan flame]

It can't spam any more than any critter can

[lone sparrow]

But about speed spaming

[cyan flame]

But the attack is not fast

[limber hull]

it cant even speed spam lol

[lone sparrow]

My stego can literally

[cyan flame]

Even the side jab angle isn't that fast

[lone sparrow]

Come on a rock and spam for 1h

[limber hull]

stego's jabs are some of the slowest attacks in the game

[cyan flame]

And so can any playable

[lone sparrow]

And watch us with my hamburger...

No skill gameplay

[cyan flame]

Any playable can stand on a rock and "spam" it's basic attack/alt attack

[limber hull]

deino can, lol

[lone sparrow]

Just spam and there we go

[cyan flame]

Just like any playable

[lone sparrow]

Nah the worst still stego and tenon

[cyan flame]

But if the attacks were better baseline, it would be more reasonable to make them worse without stam. But that requires the attack to be better in the first place

[lone sparrow]

For both is broken

[cyan flame]

Far from it

[hollow mirage]

As it won't be fun to stand on a rock and spam attacks, just leave those players alone.

[cyan flame]

Cera can bite freely with basic attack, carno can bite freely with basic attack, even omni can, and so on

And teno claw swipe, while a nice attack at least, isn't that much more dangerous, unless it's gotten buffed in damage

[hollow mirage]

Imo there should never be any sign where you sure can see it is out of stam from its attacks

[narrow nova]

Man why you disagree bring back record

[limber hull]

because you're playing on officials. Official servers don't have recording on normal EVRIMA

[icy lion]

Try clearing your config

[cyan flame]

Part of the point of being able to attack out of stam was to prevent the whole "wait until target is out of stam, then dogpile/kill it"

[hollow mirage]

true

[narrow nova]

They use to have

[limber hull]

Because that was hordetesting

On normal EVRIMA, recording has not been a thing for officials

[narrow nova]

So what you can do if you killed by hacker？

[limber hull]

report them as you would according to the pins in whatever server you were playing on

[narrow nova]

You didn't even try to report it?

[limber hull]

what

[narrow nova]

I mean, wouldn't it be better to be able to see the cheater's id and upload a video recording link?

[icy lion]

It can help, but isn't necessary to report hackers

[limber hull]

it's often used for less savoury things, like finding people's steam IDs and usernames for harassment or targeting. I think it's thing the devs wanna avoid

[icy lion]

Replays were enabled on officials for a while, try clearing your config folder in case it's a keybinding issue

[narrow nova]

Ok I will Try it

Thanks

[tight iron]

it has been for months

[hidden mist]

@sullen token funnily enough, I reported this feature as not working one month ago during the Horde Test.

[young goblet]

@gilded seal it does! It just takes a lot longer now

[sullen token]

Why does it even break so easily?

[obsidian sphinx]

Isn't that the whole point of a hunt?

[sullen token]

Sure it's not a high priority bug but man I wish motion blur worked.

[boreal briar]

@queen pike I've yet to get a single Fatal Error. When are you getting them?

[cyan flame]

Apparently not according to the change in how alt attacks work. Though I wouldn't be opposed to that, if it also worked for the attackers. Like if a pack of omnis ran out of stam and now could no longer fight, and didn't just have the ability to still follow you/take turns to recover, and thus keep going.

[boreal briar]

@crystal moat Try going to South Plains, West Access or Highlands. Usually loads around that general area.

[hidden mist]

I wish so either. I like it when settings don't break with each new update, like when you don't get a "missing file" crash notification when restarting the game via settings, like stable gameplay without stutters or random long fps drops. But yeh, not a first priority it seems.

[remote relic]

#general-feedback message @ebon pendant good diets already give you regen buffs

[icy lion]

@chilly ermine Steam page and trailer will be updated when evrima is made the main branch

[chilly ermine]

Ah, I thought it became the main branch already 👍

[echo spear]

2 most noticeable differences from HT and evrima so far.... Servers seem empty and server AI has gone on holiday?

[lone kite]

#general-feedback message @dry condor stop looking at the sun then

[dry condor]

Ok

[sudden geode]

I've seen so much Ai on official servers I have no idea what people are complaining about, move around the map. I found 20+ deers in one area, 6+ boars in another and atleast 10 goats close by

They spawn in the same spots, you have to go and find them lol

Went around the whole map as Dilo sustaining perfect diet the whole time off ai no problem

[boreal briar]

@keen jacinth did you delete your config folder? And, do you hit "apply" to your settings when you get in game? Both of those are supposed to help. I personally am running 60 fine until I run into a load of bodies

[keen jacinth]

settings yes, config no. im managinf 40-60 as long as im not near water, when near water i when it at the worst, gonna delet the config now soon as i can find it

not seeing a config folder anywhere in the game files

[hidden mist]

[Windows OS disk]/Users/[Your User]/Appdata/Local/The Isle/Saved/Config.

[tame wing]

rather, an increase in the maximum number of players on the server#general-feedback message @mint ferry

[keen jacinth]

explains why i couldnt find it, thanks

[barren zephyr]

Ngl, I never understood before why people were against the lighting changes but now I can sort of see it now, it’s starting to feel a bit unnatural imo.

[hidden mist]

New lighting looks relatively good only on Epic graphics, imho. Otherwise, these pallid colors 1. blend too much because of DLSS, 2. are really "noisy" and "grainy" because of the game rendering (look at shadows on trails), it's not as noticeable with darker colors. There weren't such problems with the old one because of high contrast. But which PSc can run this on Epic smoothly?..

[cyan flame]

@narrow nova So I want to ask you something, what do you think would be the highest acceptable no stamina cost attack damage for a playable?

[narrow nova]

What is it now?

[cyan flame]

I think the jab does 1250. But I was thinking in general. Deino does 500 for example, so that could be a reference point for the other playables as well.

Not sure what we'd expect other playables to do, so I'm wondering what you think would be acceptable for a playable to have as a basic attack

[narrow nova]

I think when stego lost it's all stamina, his charge attack changed to a normal tail attack

Normal tail attack have 3 second cd

As far as I see, there is no difference in attack power with or without stm

[cyan flame]

That didn't answer my question at all. And it's the power attack that has a cooldown (that really should go away, it's what makes the new attack borderline useless, as if the stamina cost wasn't bad enough)

Jab does 1250, power swing standing does apparently aroud 1800, the running one does 2250 or so

It's the jab you can use out of stam, not the power swing

But what do you expect a rex or trike or spino to do as base damage, if they get a basic bite/gore or whatever? What's your limit for a stamina free attack when it comes to damage?

[narrow nova]

I just don't think you should use stm cost attacks if you don't have stm.
As for base damage, I want it to be half when without stm and no longer have any stun abilities

[cyan flame]

Which is why I'm asking what you think a no stam attack can have in attack power

Like how deino does 500 damage on basic bite

Would you be fine with giving stego a, let's say 750 damage base jab and remove the stam cost entirely?

[narrow nova]

If you can use the skill without stm, think how scary it would be if raptor could continue pounce without stm

[cyan flame]

Right, but pounce is not a basic attack

Stego can't use powerswing without stamina

[narrow nova]

Tail attack is also not a basic attack,it use right click

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure if you're confusing the two attacks, but stego can not use the power swing without stam, it can only use the jab, because it's treated like an alt, like all alt attacks

No, it's not currently, but I'm thinking if it was

Cause stego biting is kind of dumb, so you could replace that with the jab, and turn that attack into the basic one

[narrow nova]

I can accept that

[cyan flame]

Which would make it stamina free, and thus the damage would be lowered, such as 500, to whatever a rex might have

Hence why I asked you what you think a stam free attack could be in power, if you imagine a rex or trike, having a basic attack

Cause my idea is to replace the bite with the jab, turning that one into the basic attack because it overall makes more sense

[narrow nova]

And that jab does 750 damage？

[cyan flame]

That was a suggestion, based on that deino does 500 with bite, rex and trike might do a bit more, and so stego could do about the same. I don't know what rex and trike might end up doing, so maybe they'll only do 500 too, in which case the stego would follow suit.

I don't know what you would consider a reasonable upper limit for a basic, stam free attack, nor do I know what the devs might think

[narrow nova]

I think the old stegosaurus was pretty good, before the stm system.stm can regain from 0 when standing

Current stm system trouble stego indeed

[cyan flame]

Well, can't say much about that, I like the idea behind the new system, but it's not ideal at times

But that is more so down to the playable, they could work with different thresholds and all and so on

Nothing, far as I know, that says every playable must adhere to the same version

[narrow nova]

If stegosaurus needed a non-expendable tail attack, I think this damage should be at 450 to kill omni, and only hit the side of the body, can't let the body turn with the attack

Because for a six-ton creature, a big turn requires a lot of energy

I actually don't think stegosaurus is capable of running charge attack at all.
Throwing your butt in front of you is as irrational as an elephant attacking the front with its hind legs

[narrow nova]

Stegosaurus is really not suitable for the current version, it is too strong for current carnivores, and it lacks the ability to defend itself against Tyrannosaurus.

I thought that when Tyrannosaurus came along, stegosaurus would die out

Maybe one day we can keep Tyrannosaurus and stegosaurus from overlapping to solve that problem.

[cyan flame]

Agreed. Not a fan of the running swing at all. Or the whole running at targets at that. Should be for trike, the critter you'd expect would charge you, not a stego.

[cyan flame]

I think the jab would be okay, if all the angles were equalized to the side angle in speed and all, and then put at 500 or so, or a bit higher. Pending what the others get if they get basic attacks too.

[cyan flame]

Well, they nerfed the rekit into the ground so yeah, might be a struggle for stego again. Which is strange, they added it, only to then go "no, can't have that" and nerf it entirely. Not sure what the point of the rekit was then really.

[narrow nova]

I like that

I don't think stegosaurus will be very popular in the future, it can't outrun Tyrannosaurus anyway, even if it has a strong attack force, it can't guarantee its own safety.

[cyan flame]

I think trike will be far more popular, it is likely to just handle better, feel better, and be more powerful overall

Why grow a stego when you can be a trike. Even currently you could argue that you get more out of growing a dibble than a stego

Is pretty powerful, has fancy strafing, has social interaction in form of sparring, has defense on head instead of weakness, can also knock things down/over. Not entirely sure what it's bad at honestly.

[narrow nova]

But doesn't that make stegosaurus a failed design?
Maybe we reduce the size and attack power of the stegosaurus so that it can compete with Allosaurus or Albertosaurus, and allow it to outrun the Tyrannosaurus

[cyan flame]

I'd agree, it kind of does, stego is pretty badly designed. As for making it smaller and all, you could do that, it might work, if they can make it look good and all. Though as it stands, I think alberto and allo in pairs+ will do just fine vs current stego

[narrow nova]

Increasingly, I think this is a good idea, since stegosaurus and Allosaurus were at the same time

[cyan flame]

Wouldn't surprise me entirely if dibble does better vs allo/alberto than stego does

[narrow nova]

Dibble is kinda...IDK.I killed a full grow stego as dibble 1v1

Dibble just need face to face with stego and face tank tail attack with head 80% damage resistance

And stun stego again and again

Like dark soul you know,seek chance and find a way so you can win

[cyan flame]

So dibble is pretty good then, or stego is pretty bad, well that's nothing new really

[narrow nova]

Just don't think dibble should stun stego.

[dark whale]

Dibble hit is bugged

hitting longer than it should

[charred grove]

Are official servers continuously crashing or is it just unofficials?

Thanks for the help everyone!

Very helpful, just like the devs haha

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

bro what

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message @vital hazel i think 2 tons was the perfect weight for dibble. but according to dondi, 3 tons is so it plays a bit better with the roster so i dunno if we're ever seeing that dibble downsize any time soon

im assuming it might be for allo mostly, due to dibbles (seemingly) not being able to knock things over larger than themselves anymore

so 2 ton dibble likely wouldnt be able to knock down allo, but 3 ton dibble (assuming allo is 2.8ish tons) definitely could

[narrow nova]

3 ton 4 hour dibble is bad,dev release them before solve this problem

[limber hull]

what

3 tons for 4 hours seems pretty on-par for growth times lol

before it was 1.5 tons after 4 hours

[narrow nova]

It should be 1.5-2 ton and 2-2.5 hour

Carno size

[limber hull]

pretty sure dondi wants it to stay 3 tons so im doubtful that'll happen lmao

[narrow nova]

Bad choice,first ceratopsia take 4 hour.

[limber hull]

i dont see the issue with that lmao

[narrow nova]

The issue is dibble keep killing each other.

Cause they are nothing to afread

[limber hull]

what

what does that have to do with the weight or growth lmao

[limber hull]

ceratos, omnis, troodons and deinos all hunt it tho

[narrow nova]

That's because of bad skill and number

[limber hull]

wh

no that's because they're good at it lmao

hell, i've seen herreras hunt them lmao

[narrow nova]

Bad skill player die for sure.and no one says Herrera can't hunt dibble.

[limber hull]

you said that

you said they have nothing to fear

[narrow nova]

Your dibble afread Herrera？

[tame jetty]

Kinda funny how everything most likely a good feedback, always get down voted to hell in feedback. I don't even understand that

[limber hull]

what good feedback has been downvoted to hell, because most feedback i see getting downvoted to hell probably has a good reason for it lol

[tame jetty]

#general-feedback message this for example, what's so wrong with it?

[limber hull]

why should the diablo be punished for fighting off threats?

and even if it's purely aesthetic, why should we force players into a cosmetic change they might not want for their animals

[tame jetty]

I imagine it being meant as purely cosmetic.
An easy option for it, would be a unlock system.

If you example break a horn,or spike ect, from fight or defensive wounds. A achievement could pop up on top of screen telling you, you can equipt this cosmetic change, or just play without it.
I myself, would love to see this cosmetic change happen from normal gameplay, and from your dinosaur just living. But as a option as described, it's no problem definitely then

I'll just go ahead and suggest it, maybe people would like it with option involved then ^^

[narrow nova]

A broken horn means failure and reduced attack power.
Since this has only a negative effect, I would prefer this change if the other side gets some buffs.
Isn't that why herbivores do it? Fighting for mates.
The winner's offspring can inherit an additional mutation from parents.（if parents have fourth mutation）

Or the winner's clutch of eggs all have three nutrients

[mellow laurel]

how many things do u have to kill for the nv mutation?

[orchid tapir]

is there an admin on that can help me in au1 east?

nevermind i have it sorted sorry

[narrow nova]

5 player, quite different cause night is only 20 min

[mellow laurel]

ok thanks just realized i didn`t mean to ask it here

[tight iron]

it would make this game unfun imo

having cosmetics to unlock feels like a goofy game where you progress only for skins and cosmetics

[dry falcon]

Then don't do the thing that causes the change

[limber hull]

... fight?

as a diablo?

[dry falcon]

Sorry, typo

[limber hull]

that still doesn't change my point lol

diablo is a brawler dinosaur, it kinda has to fight lol

[dry falcon]

The horn being broken probably doesn't have to last that long then

Around 2 minutes whilst you regain your charges for sparring

[dry falcon]

I'm not trying to

[topaz kestrel]

@tight iron Regarding the performance, I have way better performance. But I had to delete my config folder to obtain this, beforehand I hardly passed 40 fps. This would cause your settings to be gone tho.
The folder Im talking about is in AppData\Local\TheIsle\Saved .

[tight iron]

ive done that as well

i have good performance, rarely go below 60 fps, but at the gateway release i had 180 fps

now i get about half

[topaz kestrel]

Aaah ok, well gateway did increase the perfomance overall but if I look back to spiro especially before the UE5 update it was horrible.
With the new update Ive seen more stable fps so less drops overall.

[uncut zephyr]

baller dinosaur

[glad dagger]

What’s the point of the spawn timers now

Spawn timers kinda ruined the update there punishing you for getting killed off spawn what is dondi doing

[desert arch]

So people dont spawn infinite juvis on you after they die, and also to spread out people a little bit better so the hotspot problem isnt that atrocious.

[limber hull]

also to dissuade things like people spawning stegos, killing the stegos, then eating them as a carni when they spawn there again

but, to be fair, this system is likely temporary, as random spawnpoints will likely enter the game soon

[glad dagger]

Better than spawn timers I swear I got killed right on spawn and then I got a timer and this is just ridiculous

But I do see there point just a little irritating

[iron relic]

This "solution" is way more irritating than the problem it was supposed to solve. Just make that juvis meat wont give any nutrient and fill very little. Then you not only solve one issue but also makes the experience of the game better for recent spawn players

[limber hull]

or just add random spawns

[desert arch]

Juvis not giving nutrients would create more issues than it solves

It also wouldnt prevent people throwing juvi omnis at you till you die

[iron relic]

Like?

[limber hull]

you realise how many animals prefer to hunt juvis, right?

[iron relic]

that would be perfect but its a solution would take more time and refinement to be implemented. As you said It was a temporary solution I just said this temporary solution could have been better

[desert arch]

Every small carnivore would suffer immensely, especially troodon. Juvis would need to rely a 100% on scavenging bigger corpses since killing another juvi will now give nothing. People would still kill juvis just because they can, but now the ones that need to, or want to eat them will no longer be able to benefit.

So hotspots wilk still be clogged with juvi corpses, but no one will have a reason to eat them, making it even worse

[iron relic]

You mean IRL right? You know those would most of time have parents to protect them. Which In game wont be a case most of the time.

[limber hull]

no, i mean ingame

[remote relic]

#general-feedback message @lament pagoda I'd be cool with this for the smaller trees, but definately not the big ones.

[wooden agate]

so you want to make prime hunting targets... less good to eat?

[iron relic]

Seems like you guys dont want new players in the game? you know what happens if less and less players get to join the game right?

[limber hull]

wha

what

[wooden agate]

a 10 minute spawn timer doesnt make anyone unable to join the game

[iron relic]

I want to make the game experience to be better for new players

[wooden agate]

would i prefer random spawns? sure

would i take timers over what it was before? yes

[wooden agate]

by making juvies (a prime source of food)... worse food

[limber hull]

and making certain animals magically not give nutrients would make it more confusing for them

[remote relic]

The Juvi stage is SUPPOSED to be more difficult, that's the whole point

[desert arch]

New players dont have to try growing a carnivore the first time they play. Galli exists...

[iron relic]

You clearly dont know behaviour of a new player do you?

[remote relic]

Yeah, the behavior is they get eaten

probably many times, that's by design

Otherwise why even include the juvi stage, just spawn everyone as adults

its not supposed to be "fair"

[iron relic]

growning is a cool mechanic Your know the basic of game design is incremental dificulty and not the other way around right?

[remote relic]

you're supposed to overcome it

[desert arch]

Also again, galli exists, you literally cant fail as a galli

Or any other herbivore for that matter

[remote relic]

This is a survival game, not a platformer. All survival games get easier and more comfortable as you progress. Thats the whole goal.

[junior pebble]

i AGREE with this, u cant shake a 500 year old tree xD
But imo a cool feature for a herra to make sure u hide better as they are kinda OP anyway xD
I mean if u can shake Coco nuts , u should be able to shake a herra to the core xD

[wooden agate]

in terms of game design, im going to go with @limber hull considering they have a degree in it

[iron relic]

Coolness factor exist. Gallis are cool as all dinos are. But nobody join a game to play as a galli for the first time.

[lament pagoda]

Yea true. Dont think a big tree will ''feel'' the BONK xD

[iron relic]

wow. Colleges gives degree for anyone nowdays

[desert arch]

Im sure new players will understand that growing large carnivores is more difficult than growing anything else

[remote relic]

I'm not tryin to attack you here but think about a game like DayZ. You spawn with nothing and have to crawl your way to comfort and convenience. This challenge is the payoff.

Its frustrating when you die, but its supposed to be. It makes the payoff worth it when you succeed.

Its exactly the same here

[iron relic]

Gruesome start and boring late game. Is that what you guys are after. DayZ felt like a dead game when I played

[barren zephyr]

wavepoole got his degree from a uni, it’s in his bio lol

[remote relic]

It really sounds like survival games just arnt for you. Maybe try Path of Titans.

[limber hull]

game design rules apply seperately depending on your design. Survival games pride themselves on inverse incremental difficulty, and primarily focus on the reward of overcoming great obstacles after many failures, and learning from mistakes

take The Forest. At the start of it, you are literally HELPLESS. No weapons, no survival tools, nothing. The cannibals will quite literally easily murder you, and the mutants are beyond terrifying. But you gather resources, build a home, grow in strength, and by the end of the game, you are an invincible chainsaw-wielding maniac with a home so full of booby traps, it'd make a vietnam veteran shudder

[limber hull]

also what a rude and absolutely moronic comment about someone you don't know lmao

[remote relic]

just fyi ^

[barren zephyr]

What I was going to say, that was unnecessary

[remote relic]

People clearly enjoy this style of progression.

[iron relic]

played lots of survival games. As for example have 3k hours on ark and cant even count games like 7daystodie or some other weird ones like zomboid. And I know those games to be way more fun at early for its challenge. But this game has a lot to improve on early game specially for new players

[limber hull]

legacy's tooltips would go a long way for EVRIMA, I agree there is a level of mechanical obfuscation that makes the game unnecessarily hard to learn

like people don't even know how to buck

absolutely zero idea what the salt licks do

[remote relic]

agreed

[iron relic]

gotta agree with you on that

[remote relic]

but from a gameplay perspective i have no issue with it

a basic tutorial would go a long way

[limber hull]

the base gameplay loop is fine though

[remote relic]

or even an F1 menu that displays the potential actions you can take and locations you may discover

[limber hull]

the issue for new players lies more in simply learning the basic interactions and controls

[iron relic]

Didnt meant to get too harsh but whenever someone pulls the graduation card on an argument instead of actually an argument. I will give a moronic repply. Anyways sorry for that

[limber hull]

bro i didnt even pull the card

[wooden agate]

wave catching strays today

[limber hull]

(the bio is also ironic, I do not think I am smarter than everyone lmao)

[iron relic]

so your guys point is the more harsh and gruesome start the better and mine is that the start should be challenging but not that gruesome. For me it needs a lot of ballancing. I also assume most of you arguing against me are here for way longer than me and dont have the insight that a fresh player would have

on the other hand you might have seen those ideas being tested and didnt work. But I guess we all want the game to thrive and get better and have more players dont we all?

[topaz kestrel]

Plus anyone can say they graduated in whatever topic they want, doesnt necessarily mean its true. We're on the internet afterall XD
(Besides that I think just because someone has a degree doesnt necessarily mean he actually knows better necessarily)

[limber hull]

i never said that either

in fact i literally just said that i dont think that lol

[tight iron]

my brother is gonna be an engineer, he can certify that most of his classmates have absolutely no idea what they're doing

having a degree means barely anything

also i could claim i got a degree in psychology when i legitimately have no idea

im not saying that mr photovictus has no idea what he's talking about tho

im merely saying that a degree means very little

[barren zephyr]

Very little on discord*

[topaz kestrel]

Didn't talk about u or anyone specific. Just saying everything said on the internet should be taken with a grain of salt thats all 😄

[tight iron]

yeah probably

things more technical n stuff like engineering then yeah you need a degree

but at the same time, it doesn't mean you're an absolute expert and know everything yknow

one of my brother's classmates is literally getting his degree thanks to chat gpt

and well over half of them legitimately have zero clue about what they're talking about

[topaz kestrel]

Besides alot of fields have alot of very competent workers (like IT for example) which never visited a university for it and just learned it themself.
But I think this discussion is drifting away from the game again 😄

[tight iron]

now it is true that you cant base yourself on a single university, but when the entire country says the same thing, hmm...

[tight iron]

for example this

my brother is literally better than the teachers cause he spent p much his whole life learning

besides certain subjects, this mfer literally beats the teachers on subjects like programming n stuff

[wooden agate]

okay, lets use the fact hes literally worked on other incredibly popular games then and is credited for some of the communities favorite parts of those game

this shouldnt turn into wave discussion but im not gonna pretend i dont value his input on these things a little bit more than the average persons input

[tight iron]

doesnt mean hes better at balancing an unrelated game

[topaz kestrel]

Says u and I should now believe it because of?
Besides that does not mean at all that he would be able to do it for this game aswell.
Ive also seen alot of things he thinks would be good where I thought its the worst possible.

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-smiley-whistling-off-topic-gif-8328609

[tight iron]

it means he's good at designing certain games that are completely unrelated to this one

[topaz kestrel]

And if we all keep in mind that every balancing thought experiment is just that. Only testing can give real improvements 🙂

[tight iron]

so if we are gonna speak about this one, his opinion is as valuable as anyone else's

[wooden agate]

sure, to you

[iron relic]

One shouldnt value an take because person x or y said it. But you should look at the opnion itself. If you disagree with me and agree with him thats fine. But seems a bad way to put it.

[tight iron]

^^

[barren zephyr]

Wait which parts did wave suggest that are in the game?

[tight iron]

it's not the person but the opinion that's valuable

[wooden agate]

other* incredibly popular games

[barren zephyr]

Mb read wrong

[tight iron]

cause imma be honest bro i dont think a pachy should be faster do more damage and overall get a brutal buff

[topaz kestrel]

Well based on your messages u do know him so ofc u value his opinions higher than a randoms on discord. Thats called subjective.

[tight iron]

making it way better than update 6 pachy 😭

[barren zephyr]

I’d agree it needs a buff, but not because wavepoole or anyone else said it

We seen that you ain’t slick 😭

[tight iron]

that is fine

[wooden agate]

yeah, thats... the entire point of the message

i value his input more than others input due to his background in working on games. doesnt mean you have to i just generally like to listen to people who have more of an idea of what theyre talking about

[topaz kestrel]

Lol someone getting mad? Because that gif was unnecessary af

[whole orbit]

[tight iron]

but like if someone with a game design degree tells me that basically update 6 pachy wasnt enough im dipping

im sorry but no

[wooden agate]

its clear to anyone with 2 eyes that pachy is suffering rn. poor thing is ROUGH

[barren zephyr]

Fr ☠️

[frank tapir]

That's what I'm saying! #general-feedback message

[whole orbit]

No, it does fine

[tight iron]

what is it suffering from rn

[topaz kestrel]

So u just assume anyone else doesnt know what theyre talking about?

[tight iron]

pretty sure raptors no longer disable it

not sure tho

ill check rn

[wooden agate]

where did i say that

"more of an idea" does not equal that others have no idea

[tight iron]

okay just tested it, pachy cant run but can bonk as usual whiel being pounced

so pachy is strong against raptors again

[topaz kestrel]

U still assume that he has "more of an idea" than others, so if anyone contradicts him u still think hes right.
Why wouldnt u make up your own opinion based on your input since theres no definite facts when it comes to balancing if its not being tested.

Anyway Im sick of this discussion, see you guys later when this channel cools off a little 🙂

[limber hull]

brother it cant run

[wooden agate]

i... assume he has more of an idea because he has direct experience with designing games and has a degree. i dont automatically think hes right because of it, wave has had several things i flat out disagree with. i just generally think his experience in these fields give a bit more inherent reasonings behind his arguments and ideas.

@tight iron and i argue in this channel all the time and yet we both have things we agree on because he was able to contextualize his points well and give his reasonings behind it. its not a matter of "oh i like wavepool so i think anyone who disagrees is wrong", its a matter of "i value this persons input, i know he has a good idea of what he's talking about."

everything within the context, friends. :P

[tight iron]

you can bonk the raptor to not get pounced

pachy winnin 2v1s against raptors is not uncommon

[whole orbit]

Use terrain and the raptors will get obliterated

[wooden agate]

anyway i just heard a chicken in the isle and i am NOT wasting this moment, i will be back once this discussion has ended u_u

[tight iron]

chimken

[tight iron]

yessir

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

"why utah, that is, a blinder leaks from a non-blider in 15 seconds"

these are the questions we SHOULD be asking

[limber hull]

if you rely on terrain to beat raptors thats probably not a good sign for your viability

[wooden agate]

i was so deeply confused until i clicked the link (im back)

[tight iron]

i mean

[wooden agate]

also, dont tail hits not apply bleed?

[whole orbit]

I mean your solo. What else could you expect.

[limber hull]

tailtip hits do not, no

[tight iron]

if you can flat out cancel its ability to kill you then

[limber hull]

the pachy, who was advertised to be extremely strong against raptors, to be strong against raptors

[tight iron]

it is strong against raptors tho

[limber hull]

unless they pounce it

[whole orbit]

It already is

[limber hull]

in which case wuh oh

[tight iron]

if you get pounced it means you made a mistake somewhere

and you can always use terrain to get him off you

so it's not the end of the world

[whole orbit]

Bonk it first. Pachys ram got a bigger hitbox and it can hit you from all angles. Unlike omnis

[tight iron]

idk if youre willing to hop on a testing server with mr duck so we can test the theory that pachy sucks against raptors

[limber hull]

you can't? you dont always have access to ez raptor removal terrain, and backpounce exists, and you trot too slow to effectively make it to that terrain if you happen to be away from it

[tight iron]

yessir you can

[limber hull]

so your solution is to ALWAYS stick to walls, trees and rocks, because if you leave, and a raptor sees you, you are now dead

[tight iron]

well youre not dead but you do have a chance

an almost 100% chance of winning

(with terrain)

[limber hull]

a chance of winning! against raptors! with terrain!

too kind

[wooden agate]

that is until a fg raptor pounces you, his friend is a 2 second old omni also pounces you, and suddenly you are pinned and watching your animal die

[tight iron]

without terrain you have a pretty damn good chance of surviving

with terrain it's almost impossible to lose

[limber hull]

LMAO TRUE

[tight iron]

if a fresh spawn with a fg raptor can pin you down we got a problem 💀

precisely now i was playing pachy

the amount of raptor murder ive done is quite interesting

also a pachy can solo a cera

a not so skilled cera tho

like eh decent cera vs good pachy, pachy wins

[limber hull]

(or a cera that uses terrain lmao, since apparently that means an animal is good if it can cower in a corner from their attacker and win)

[tight iron]

doesn't mean it's good yknow

doesn't mean it sucks either

[limber hull]

frankly, cerato being as bad as it is against small tiers is indicative of the fact that the animal needs an entire rework, and not that pachy is overpowered lmao

[tight iron]

pachy is not op

are you willing to get in a test server to test the theory that pachy sucks against raptors btw?

[wooden agate]

it can!

2 raptors are required to initiate pin. pachy is slightly larger than omni, but since one (1) omni is smaller, and its one omni, it can not pin it. when a FRESH SPAWN OMNI also pounces the pachy, the 65% weight requirement kicks in since now pin is possible, therefore pinning the pachy

[tight iron]

cause a pachy vs raptor 1v1 pachy wins, 2v1 50/50 depends on skill, 3v1 gets way more complicated

[tight iron]

i would agree that that's a bruh moment

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

wait is this the same guy

[tight iron]

yes

[limber hull]

why do they say "flow" and "leak" instead of bleed lmao

[tight iron]

probably using translator

[tight iron]

^^

[limber hull]

not atm no, it's 12am

[tight iron]

alr

[limber hull]

and a wednesday

[tight iron]

all good all good

[limber hull]

(or a thursday actually given that it's almost tomorrow but meh)

[tight iron]

🤷‍♂️

[urban flax]

Wait did they include a death threat in their feedback ?

[limber hull]

maybe?..

[tight iron]

HUH

[limber hull]

i think the funniest part about it is that the dude joined today to echo the exact same sentiment as a guy a few minutes ago with the same style of writing

[tight iron]

oh he included a "game threat"

[barren zephyr]

I’m still confused by what they mean “flow”

[iron relic]

I think it bleed out... Not sure

[slow ibex]

on unofficial after last update no 1 can join the server and who can join cant move

[hardy vine]

@swift sinew what???? That sentence is so confusing to read? We don’t even know what you want ?

@topaz kestrel ik cera has only 2 spawns 1 of them is south plains and I get killed in like the first 30 seconds by omnis the other spawn is north jungle and there’s nothing to eat there so I usually die by hunger in north jungle

[weary thunder]

#general-feedback message SECONDED

[stone stirrup]

Since some moderator deleted my feedback for solutions. To fix fps: Take a random texture setning, apply. And then go back to the preffered setning, apply. Fixed fps.

[topaz kestrel]

exactly why I said they didnt really look at the timer feedback because thats what alot of people were complaining about and that way theyll just discourage cera players

[hallow zodiac]

has there been any rain since the update?

[tight iron]

yes

[radiant nest]

No, weather is currently broken

[hidden mist]

Such "crutches" to fix a damn setting, lol.

Do I have to do this when already playing on a server or it's enough to do this in the game menu on start-up?

[icy lion]

Best once you're in game

[hidden mist]

I see, thanks.

[stone stirrup]

you can do it while you are ingame yes. you dont need to restart/main menu

[boreal briar]

@rapid moth get the water based mutations like Reticulated Kidneys so you can use the ocean to get to other rivers

[knotty mason]

i got this loading screen the whole time cant join any server

[tight iron]

try restarting the game

or click refresh

[knotty mason]

already did

[tight iron]

verify your files

[knotty mason]

even restart my pc

[tight iron]

im pretty sure officials were updated already so

[knotty mason]

its like that since the update came

[icy lion]

Swap to the evrima branch

[tight iron]

oh then you're in hordetesting

[serene lynx]

Any progres for stoping hackers in this game? fill unplayable

[knotty mason]

oh alright ty 😄

[tight iron]

play unofficials

[serene lynx]

yea but i got high ping in there

[tight iron]

oh well

[boreal briar]

@cedar drum Dryo is getting a Burrow ability in the future. Gunna be a whole burrow system for Dryo to be involved with 🙂

[cedar drum]

i mean... its not gonna be exclusive to dryo is the thing...

i want dryo to have another thing it can use to its advantage

or not so much to its advantage, moreso as just another thing to make dryo more unique

currently it is just: run fast and turn quick

[limber hull]

every herbivore will be able to roam freely around the island with patrol migrations

that's like, a universal thing

[cedar drum]

The hell is a patrol migration

[limber hull]

One of the two new migration types coming in the future

What we have now is species migrations

Mass migrations are a single, massive migration zone in which all animals migrate
Patrol migrations are basically just spiro food, where you roam freely around the map, without worrying about being in one specific place

[cedar drum]

Uh huh

[limber hull]

I also just think having "ignoring migrations" as a mechanic doesn't make the animal more fun lol

Migrations are good for letting animals meet others of their kind

[boreal briar]

Patrol migrations sounds cool. When I'd seen something about 'patrols' I thought it was like, AI carnivores patrolling along pathways lol

[limber hull]

thank god patrols aint that lol

[cedar drum]

I mean I personally find migrations to be an absolute chore, especially as dryo

[limber hull]

that's probably why they're adding three variants to keep gameplay way more fresh than it is

[cedar drum]

I’d say migrations can (specifically for dryo) make the game far less interesting rather than actually making it more interesting

As a dryo, I want to follow along herds of larger herbivores rather than go to a set migration zone

[tight iron]

yes

[limber hull]

Because they're mundane and samesy. Having all three migration types basically means that there exists gameplay for everyone

Patrol migrations: Exploration, freedom, discovery
Mass migrations: Combat, adrenaline, survival
Species migrations: Socialisation, nesting, chilling

It's honestly by far the best of all worlds.

You can't do food like Spiro because that's got all its own problems, and you can't keep it as it is on Gateway because that's also problematic

This is like, the perfect in-between for keeping herbivore gameplay engaging

Spiro was a big triangle.

Gateway is just "go to place and stay there for an hour".

Having both on rotation, and a third thing which has an entirely different type of gameplay to it is absolutely perfect for keeping people engaged and having to adapt to changing survival circumstances

[cedar drum]

But the three migration types aren’t ingame yet, so as a compromise I would want to (again, specifically for dryo since that is what I’m referring to here) give dryo all diets so that it in particular can follow all herbivores regardless of diets and all that

[limber hull]

Or they can just add those three things LMAO, because they're already in development

They're mentioned both in the recent devblog and in the actual config files

[cedar drum]

We both know the devs can take a while to release things, even if they mentioned it Recently

[limber hull]

they mentioned its coming to a soon-to-come hordetest

i dont think dryo needs this mechanic tbh, I'd just rather wait for the finished migration changes

[cedar drum]

Soon, as in soon for the isle

Wich probably means multiple months considering their track record

[limber hull]

so if you're so convinced that they take forever to do anything, what makes this dryo change different?

Migrations are kinda hardcoded to act as they do for dryo, you'd have to kinda tear apart and stitch the migration system back together

[boreal briar]

That just means that it'd take them until after the MG update to even implement this change, no?

[limber hull]

(which they're already doing, but actually for everyone)

[cedar drum]

Because, playing dryo currently lacks what me (and probably all of the 5 dryo players) want dryo to do, which is hanging out around larger herbivores to utilize them for defense, and also to annoy them a bit

[limber hull]

i mean

you can do that, there is literally nothing stopping you

[cedar drum]

You will end up with every debuff known to man

[limber hull]

okay but you're dryo and don't really care if your endgoal is just to annoy things

[boreal briar]

But in seriousness, I think burrowing and this MG change would bring plenty of change to the Dryo to let people play them more. Personally I don't like them because they're small but can't do any real fighting either.

[vale pawn]

my dryo is the outlier

[sage plover]

ive played dryo in other migrations than my own easily, dryo 95% of the time has one diet in any migration

[limber hull]

oh, they can do fighting, absolutely

they are INSANELY powerful fighters for their size

[boreal briar]

Hanging in a burrow would be kinda swag for a bit though. I'm just not much of a socialized so I don't play herbi

[cedar drum]

Ending up with every single debuff just makes it annoying to run around because lack of stamina, and youd need to graze constantly since there is no proper food for you

[limber hull]

like i legit dont see why you'd ever need to add this, especially if you intend to just... change migrations entirely later lol

[boreal briar]

Yeah but small carnivores can usually do a bit of punching up.

I did see some kinda tail slap with the dryo recently, kicked the omni's ass

[limber hull]

you ain't even seen the kick yet

the kick out here killing a herrera in one go lol

[boreal briar]

I only know of the bite and tail slap, dayum.

[limber hull]

god its funny

[vale pawn]

Ive killed a dilo the size of my dryo with 2 kicks in the face

[cedar drum]

I don’t know how much later those changes to migrations would be, and even then if they end up not changing in a while then my idea seems reasonable for a creature who’s main enjoyment comes from hanging around other creatures

[boreal briar]

Gad dayum. I gotta try Dryo again, but probably not until burrowing.

[limber hull]

i'd imagine they'd be next hordetest alongside the new NV tbh

[desert arch]

60 dmg per kick for an animal that size is WILD

[limber hull]

well the kick is actually a three-hit combo

[cedar drum]

Idk, the devs really don’t have the best track record when it comes to releasing things fast

[limber hull]

kick-kick-bite

[limber hull]

i really kinda despise using development time as an argument here, because it just seems in bad faith tbh

so what if development time has had hiccups, we know that the devs are aware of and addressing the problems with migrations, and if dryo remains unpopular for a little bit longer, no one is getting hurt

[trail charm]

why can't i attack as a dilo

[iron relic]

Gotta say is better to let the devs cook than rushing up some very buggy or broken feature that would make everything on the development of the game slowdown even further.

[cedar drum]

I’m taking development time into consideration, yes, the devs need time to actually make the things work, but it is an abnormally long time between updates, and should be taken into consideration

[boreal briar]

It's honestly not even that bad. It's a small team, they were also making building blocks at the start.

Dinosaurs will come out a bit faster when they're built off a base. Like Trike taking much less time than Dibble being used as a base.

Good games should be taking like 8+ years with AAA teams, assuming it's not like CoD making psudo copies of the previous game

[cedar drum]

I know they are a small team, and I do want the stuff they release to be high quality rather than complete slop

The thing is, there is the off chance that when the game does update, it ends up being a bad update

Like that one time they updated the game to prepare for night vision, so they made nights completely dark, despite night vision not actually being added

And that means we’d have waited for multiple months for an update that made gameplay worse

Or unfinished

[bleak bison]

@grizzled matrix beipi drained too much stam when swimming so they made it drain less stam whilst swimming whilst then making it chronically slow for some reason. Which only encourages players to use more stamina. So it was a nothing change.

[boreal briar]

@hexed trail More players makes the desync really bad. Some temp extra servers would probably be the way to go

[hexed trail]

Damn really ?? In future when all dinos out it would never be servers with 150 or 200 slots ?

[boreal briar]

There's a chance for the future. They need to optimize the game and engine more.

They had 140 players in the Hordetest. With AI

[hexed trail]

Ok nice thanks

[tight iron]

i mean

servers are bad right now

however they don't want to make them better because of many reasons

[hexed trail]

Why ? Whats reason ?

[tight iron]

they'd have to do server sharding which is way more expensive and annoying for unofficial servers

so they'd be forcing unofficial server owners to spend a crap ton of money

and it's very annoying to maintain

[hardy vine]

@low drift SPIRO IS AWFUL! gateway is much much better

[tight iron]

many people disagree with this

[vale pawn]

Theyre wrong

[tight iron]

no they aint

[brave sonnet]

did they get rid of half the na servers?

[urban flax]

@celest pawn Already the case

[celest pawn]

really? whats the %?

[urban flax]

10%

[celest pawn]

oh alr

[boreal briar]

@low drift sadly I don't think it's that easy. Spiro was on an older UE engine version and might not even be compatible anymore. Trees and climbing surfaces for Herrera would definitely be funky.

[marsh bough]

After 3 month of HT you guys broke the game AGAIN ... Nice job cant do better ❤️

[low drift]

Thats depressing

[tight iron]

they'd also have to optimize it so it doesn't take 20 gb

@fickle sleet they were gonna add ptera and deino hallucinations

however it's a low priority thing so yeah 💀

[tight iron]

i'd love to see it happen but i don't think it will happen

unless the mapper wants to do it...

[low drift]

But fr we need a smaller map. I can spend hours on gateway without seeing a single soul

[tight iron]

i agree

or a clearer map

[boreal briar]

#announcements

I believe a number of servers simply aren't showing up for some people, or at all. I might be wrong though? I'm not sure if that latest patch fixed everything.

[tight iron]

@limpid tree theres about 80 turtles in the southern beach

and when i say 80 i mean it 💀

[limpid tree]

What is with the General Feedback slow mode posting.....you can only post once every 6 HOURS....what the hell.

[tight iron]

i hvae no idea

[remote relic]

If you have more than one idea put it in the same post, otherwise it would be FLOODED with polls and everything would be buried crazy fast

like 50% of people posting there are just complaining about the way they died anyways

[brave sonnet]

I'll see when I log back on I hope it fixes the issue then maybe people won't be trying to mass join 4 servers lol

[icy lion]

@brave merlin There's no canni mutation for herbis

[boreal briar]

It worked for me, I see all the servers now. NA 1 still has Hordetest in its name but I was able to join and play on it with the Evrima branch

@brave merlin if you are thinking of Intraspecific Agression (increase damage against your own species), that was removed. It never made it passed like, the second HT update.

All those cannibal herbivores you see are just buttholes

[indigo gulch]

thank everything for that man

[brave merlin]

I see. I suppose I was assuming there had to be some reason I've been killed twice by dibbles that seem to know exactly where I am. I still think there should be a debuff, then. I'd be nice if there was some discouragement for straight up murdering your own kind in cold blood.

[indigo gulch]

how would you suggest that tho

imagine if you accidentally hit your own species during a hunt

[brave merlin]

I get it for a carnivore, but for an herbivore that should really live in a herd, it just sucks. I love the sparing mechanic and it'd be nice if people could be cool about it.

[indigo gulch]

congrats, you now have a debuff on TOP of your other hunter/defender being even more injured

[brave merlin]

maybe if you kill more than 3 of your own kind, it's starts a stacking debuff

[indigo gulch]

but that's already 3 dead. And you can't keep that permanently on.

you'll just alternate between people

[brave merlin]

like for each one you kill past a certain number, you get a cumulative debuff. Maybe you attract carnivores because you stink of blood.

[indigo gulch]

hmmmm that last one is a pretty good suggestion

but won't they smell the bodies anyways?

[brave merlin]

yeah, but that doesn't really matter for dibbles that much because they're so tough anyway, hardly anything can kill them

whoever the two dibbles in the last server I was in were, they were pretty obviously not bothered by the literal field of corpses around them

[indigo gulch]

yikes....

[brave merlin]

I might just be salty af about it, but still, I feel like something could be done to discourage that behavior

they were killing every single person, and not just territorially driving them away. Tracking them down to kill them. Babies too.

[stone stirrup]

Does dinos "stay" on the server if you dont safe log out??

[icy lion]

They stick around for 5 minutes then disappear like normal

[stone stirrup]

Ah okay. Thanks for fast reply

[boreal briar]

Honestly it would be great, but balancing it against those very same toxic players who would find a way to abuse it is hard.

@tight iron I'm convinced the loud footsteps is a design choice. They're silly loud compared to their weight, but maybe its because they're big footed sprinters.

[barren summit]

is there a way that i can get a confirmation from devs for my suggestion? #general-feedback message

[icy lion]

Read rule 10 #rules-and-info

[barren summit]

oh i see

[icy lion]

The devs have said they want elders to be implemented before moving the evrima branch to main

iirc Boosteroid can run evrima but has no free tiers

[barren summit]

well not to main per se, but a selector start maybe

I understand not wanting to move a Beta to main prematurely

but id really like to play butsince i bought the game one of the updates probably upgraded the game to DX12 and now i cant

[icy lion]

Do you know what GPU you have?

[barren summit]

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4720HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz 2.60 GHz

and its a laptop

[icy lion]

That's your CPU, can you see a GPU somewhere? It might be an integrated one

[barren summit]

oh

[icy lion]

But on some pcs the dx12 issue has a simple fix so I just wanted to be sure of what's going on

[barren summit]

where do I check the GPU?

it probably an integrated one tho its a laptop

MSI GE70 2QE aapache

lemme check on web

[icy lion]

Easiest way is through Task Manager, click Performance at the top then click GPU

[barren summit]

oh right

its GTX960m

its prehistoric (in theme with the game 🙂 )

integrated one is intel HD Graphics 4600

[icy lion]

Lemme look something up real quick

Ah yea, 960m can't run the right version of dx12 :/ But yea, moving to the main branch is closer than ever with elders on the horizon

[barren summit]

sad

i wish geforce would allow us to use workshop and betas

i think it used to then some people exploited it somehow

[icy lion]

Yea it used to work perfectly fine in the early days of evrima, then they kinda just dropped support

iirc it's because it's both a beta branch and has Easy Anticheat?

[barren summit]

i think letting people download stuff without forcing them into a game had a security risk

i mean i understand why one would want to cut support

[barren summit]

early days of evrima i could run it tho...

sad how technology evolves : (

also is the main branch broken? it seems that i cant find any servers?

[icy lion]

Yea the server browser doesn't work super well. Sometimes lowering the max listings to about 100 can work

[barren summit]

or is it that everyone is on EVRIMA?

[icy lion]

But a surefire way is to directly connect to a server using its IP

But then you have to have a specific server in mind

[tight iron]

it might be the case

not complaining about dilo ones btw i think they should stay loud just giving a comparison

[frank osprey]

Has anyone else run into the food bug? Diets don’t show up on character select either. Relog + verify integrity didn’t fix it. Was an issue back in hordetesting

[tight iron]

yus

[frank osprey]

Ty glad I’m not the i only one

[tight iron]

in fact it's pretty common

[boreal briar]

Yes sadly this is still a thing. They probably figured it was a minor enough thing to keep for the Evrima launch since the HT went on so long

[hidden mist]

@full cape damn I agree on everything you said. Last patch really just put a damper on barely alive performance. I’m getting stutters every once in a while, sometimes game for an unknown reason decides to render like an ENTIRE island it seems, otherwise I don’t understand why I am getting 56 fps in an open clear field when before I could get 80+ at the same place. Dilo clones don’t work in 70% of places, even on a simple beach. Migrations are broken and mostly provide only S diet. Some of the game settings are still non-working even though they’ve been reported since early Horde Test. Spawn timers aren’t configurable on custom servers, which results in sandbox servers such as Norden getting all spawn zones cooldown’ed. This Horde Test wasn’t ready to be pushed live, and yet here we are…

[full cape]

It's just tiring at this point honestly

[lyric cosmos]

@merry ore - Are you on a poorly setup unofficial server or something lol
#general-feedback message

[merry ore]

No, it is an unofficial server and according to the admins this is a non-customizable option in the game, it depends entirely on the developers of The Isle.

[lyric cosmos]

Damn wtf

[subtle wigeon]

Any insight on why so little official servers are made available?

NA currently has as many people in queue as there are on servers

[boreal briar]

@merry ore That just looks bugged. Maybe the devs forgot to put the spawn timer in the config file, forcing it to be a wacky number.

[barren zephyr]

What lol.

[midnight heath]

If you want stego to not be able to swing without stamina comsumption, it needs another way to defend itself when it's out of stamina. Considering every other playable, including deino can attack without stamina. #general-feedback message

The bite is not an attack really, a measy 50 DMG isn't fending anything off.

[frank osprey]

Has anyone figured out a client side fix? Or just keep trying until things function?

[glad prairie]

why are the raptors so sh*t in this game?

[barren zephyr]

erm. How exactly are they bad lol

[glad prairie]

I just watched 2 raptors get insta killed by a herra dude

[cyan flame]

Herreras can do that, if they drop from sufficient height and aim well, and well, the raptors happens to be huddled up. It does not mean omni is bad at all.

[glad prairie]

That makes sense I was just shocked, and my own raptor experience in the game has gone like

Wait 55 mins for queue
Spawn as child
Die cause no corpses or ai

[fringe sinew]

Is here a good place to talk about computer specs? And what I need to run the isle/how to check what specs I have?

[cyan flame]

Try in isle-discussion instead, you can probably get something useful from there

[fringe sinew]

Asked twice already, no ones seems to notice/care

[cyan flame]

Sounds rough, but that might be the case for most fresh spawn carnis, not sure how harsh life currently is for them

[fringe sinew]

Oh wait

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
It cost money to get new servers I think

[limber hull]

it does lol

[dry falcon]

Yeah, so that's why

[limber hull]

@wicked pike they're adding random spawns to alleviate that issue

[wicked pike]

more spawn locations in different parts of the map would still be useful, ive seen some people complain about how parts of the map arent being used and that would put them in use

also by random spawns what do you mean by that

[limber hull]

you dont pick your spawn, you just get dropped in a random spot (depending on your preferred biomes)

it's there to dissuade hotspots, basically remove spawnkilling, actually encourage movement around the map, so on, so forth

[wicked pike]

so it would be a biome based spawn system where you pick a preferred biome and it spawns you in that biome ?

[limber hull]

nah, more like you just spawn in, and if you're a deino or beipi, you spawn in water, or a herrera spawns in jungles, a carno spawns in plains, so on, so forth

[jade sluice]

I don't see the issue in being able to put some distance between you and the place where people could be spawnkilling. If species have their designated spots to spawn in then people can just wait there and there's nothing you can do

[limber hull]

yea, exactly, that's why random spawns are going to be a thing

if anywhere can be a spawn zone, it's really hard to camp lol

its also much harder to form hotspots lol

[urban flax]

@glad sundial There is an unstuck command, you can type /unstuck in chat

[glad sundial]

There is!? My saviour 😭

[compact mason]

why is there a 10 min timer?

[limber hull]

yo sammy just wanted to let you know that this dude blocked me over this and i find that funny as hell

[wooden agate]

💀

[topaz kestrel]

Not over this? Why would I block u when I was talking about it with sammy? 🤣 but sure if it makes u feel better

I have different reasons that I decided to block u and one was that u're quite toxic in most discussion 🤷‍♂️

[limber hull]

i was tryna upvote your latest thing and realised you blocked me lmao, i just found it funny is all

[topaz kestrel]

Wait u cant react to my feedback then? Thats a new one for me lol
Anyway didnt have anything to do with the discussion I had with sammy just to clear this up 🙂

[limber hull]

also im not sure how im toxic lol, i've never once done anything to attempt to insult people personally over anything they believe (which seems to be the goto in this community lol. Amount of times I get DMed slurs over literal virtual dinosaur game is hysterical)

One dude literally challenged me to an irl fight like what

[topaz kestrel]

Well those people land on my block list too then. I mightve even mistaken u with someone else but Ive been reading quite alot of discussions lately and (if it was u) u've been quite lets say "aggressive" in discussing certain points. Maybe toxic wasnt the right word to use here. Im just trying to keep my peace on this server so Im not really hesitant with the block button 😄

(Yeah some people in this community have serious anger issues lol sadly theyre usually the loudest to scream in discord)

[urban flax]

Your very existence is a
Wait I'm not gonna finish this sentence I don't want the bot to mute me again

[latent olive]

that last part is hilarious lmfao

"yeah man im utah main, check my combat skills IRL"

(runs around barking)

[half karma]

#general-feedback message
If you are experiencing bad chat, please feel free to DM any mod or admin with a screenshot and the server it happened on

[polar tiger]

Stop being foolish and hire yourselves a proper team that actually responds to help-calls. I've scrolled up in the EU server and no calls have been responded to, I've gotten stuck in a rock multiple times this is a factor that made me quit several times.

[limber hull]

you know there's an /unstuck command right

[polar tiger]

I do, but if you're stuck in a cliff you can't do anything but die

[tight iron]

tbh they never respond if they unstuck you or not

idk why i just know they never do

[polar tiger]

great

[limber hull]

they do though, i've literally been unstuck several times, and watched other people get unstuck

idk where this is coming from lmao

[rose sleet]

It's a bit counterintuitive that dilo footsteps are so extremely loud when it's a night hunter. Nocturnal animals like the leopard require very quiet movement because you know... night animal

[tight iron]

same

[tight iron]

dilos are fast as heck so i understand why it's so loud

and at night they get an important buff

which is put something to purple stage instantly and the hogwarts conjuration mirror image spell hallucionations deal more damage

[rose sleet]

it still makes very little sense for a nocturnal hunter to be extremely loud

[limber hull]

it's not instant

it's just increased venom application at night

venom is weight-based in application

[tight iron]

puts you to purple in 1 bite

with instant i mean not have to bite 100 times but just one

[limber hull]

not how it works

that's true for some animals, mainly smalls, but not for all

[tight iron]

r u sure about that

[limber hull]

certain

[tight iron]

seen plenty of stegos getting to purple in 1 bite during night

and ive done that myself as well

in the very rare occasion that i play dilo and it's night, i put anything to purple in a single nibble so

[rose sleet]

oh wow you find people at night before they hear a freight train coming from 100 km away?

boom boom boom boom ohh is that thunder or a dilo on the other side of earth

[tight iron]

i mean

i use my eyes

the distance from which you can hear a dilo isn't that long

[rose sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-cute-oh-my-life-gif-8507230208807557758

[tight iron]

i am in fact not exaggerating

[rose sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-eyebrow-raise-points-to-self-me-is-it-me-gif-16140947

[limber hull]

i wonder if he'll notice

[tight iron]

i did notice, i just don't know what that means

[serene lynx]

is this just me or when i eat horned melon just take 2 bite then gone

[tight iron]

yes

[serene lynx]

should be fix?

[tight iron]

hopefully

[polar tiger]

From all the calls I've made only 1-2 have gotten a response, that is my personal experience

[boreal briar]

@nova oxide average swears aren't muted, but real bad ones might be? I don't know since I'm obviously not just casually spewing them in chat, not gunna test it either 😅

And as the mod said, take screenshot and report them to an administrator here.

[glossy garden]

Carnivore-Herbivore team up is bannable?

[icy lion]

Not on official servers

[glossy garden]

Very sad to know this, it should be adressed! It really ruins the game experience.

[tight iron]

yes

[urban flax]

@forest quartz Also the grass is as ugly as ever

[icy lion]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

@ruby horizon /unstuck

[barren zephyr]

@somber fjord don’t quote me on this, but I’m pretty sure the devs are already planning on making the max server population 150, but they haven’t done it yet since there are more important things to focus on atm (bugs, performance etc.)

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message @finite lagoon this doesn’t make it natural imo.

[finite lagoon]

Eh? How so

A kick or stomp on mini nibblers?

[barren zephyr]

A kick or a stomp isn’t necessary to kill a baby dibble

[finite lagoon]

It's not about species, I'm just saying in general if you're a bipedal monstrosity full adult and there's a rodent-sized creature nibbling at your ankles the first instinct most things have is to kick/stomp it. Analogous to birds and cattle/equine respectively.

@barren zephyr

Maybe even have it do a little knockdown/knock back to discourage further pestering. Though should only apply at extreme size differences, troodon needs to be viable against mid-sized

[barren zephyr]

What other bipedal creature besides humans has an instinct to kick/stomp something smaller then it, instead of simply just biting?

[finite lagoon]

All flightless birds

All large herbivorous mammals

[barren zephyr]

You can’t apply that theory to a virtual dinosaur as that it’s being controlled by a human.

[finite lagoon]

I'm not trying to, I'm just saying it's a more immersive way to deal with that then modifying bite hit boxes artificially

It's not like you need to press any extra button, it would just morph naturally into it when aiming straight down

[barren zephyr]

You can also just you know, literally crouch if it’s troubling you that much.

[finite lagoon]

I didn't say you couldn't, and I haven't had this issue myself. I just saw the other guys post and wanted to expand on a way to do it that would add more animation variety and immersion

[barren zephyr]

Right but it just creates more unnecessary dev time, now creating additional “stomping”/“kicking animations”.

[finite lagoon]

Right I don't think anyone is saying "make this #1 priority over x things", it's just a thing that would be nice for QOL and immersion at feature-complete

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but I am of the opinion that juvies aren’t going to be attacking you consistently to necessitate a QOL of that idea

I am saying because your addition seems to be more a defensive sided tool compared to an offensive hunting tool.

[finite lagoon]

Yeah it is a defensive tool, in a sense. Right now as a troodon I can solo a carno fairly easily. Same with dilo. They just can't hit me reliably when I stay under them, and tbh it is kinda cheesy and unrealistic.

I mean tbf my good ping is a part of that but still. It really shouldn't be a possibility, it's not intended that way.

[barren zephyr]

But when carno is standing still the bite goes straight down? It’s only when it sprints it goes a quarter of the length and even then it hits small juvies and troodon.

[finite lagoon]

Well fights usually don't happen while completely still tbf, but also that "straight down" hit box isn't as wide as you probably imagine when you're dealing with very small targets. Like yeah, in a chase you can grab it, but if it's deliberately body-twirling under you there's not much you can do about it currently. Kinda how tail riding used to be. It just takes skill with the smaller dino

[barren zephyr]

If that is a problem for carno another solution for a juvie/troodon “twirling” around you is to simply alt-bite which has a good hitbox and is aimed downwards as well.

[finite lagoon]

Right, again not saying there's nothing you can do, but I am saying most people can't/don't know how to do it. And those methods aren't intended counters, they are just convenient coincidences.

[barren zephyr]

Well wdym alt-bite was directly made to countering tail-riding and anything smaller then you running laps around you biting you.

[finite lagoon]

So if you've never experienced it I guess what you're saying seems reasonable, but it just isn't as hard a counter as you expect. I think I've maybe died like... a handful of times to that, and usually due to bad timing on my part.

But idk, again I'm not trying to argue over the necessity of it I just wanted to expand on the original proposal because I personally feel like it's worth adding. You're free to disagree but I would just note that maybe the devs should be the ones to decide if something is worth the time to implement. I could understand if this somehow would hurt the meta or something, but in this case it's a rather small, simple thing that requires the player to know literally nothing about the game and still counter cheesy cheeselords on troodons or baby whatevers that are annoying.

[barren zephyr]

I’ve experienced it plentiful times which is why I am disagreeing but you are right it is up to the devs at the end.

[hardy vine]

@limber hull why?

[limber hull]

They respond in that channel itself

[limber hull]

@solemn thorn type /unstuck in game chat. The command already exists

[limber hull]

@forest quartz my main problem with recording tools is that it's not always used for good. Seen a lotta people use it for their lame little KOS lists for their clains and generally just use it to get an idea of who's who so they can target them better

difficult issue to figure out

[forest quartz]

Easy solution. Hide names for everybody else and only show species. Have it only show maybe Steam ID. The cooldown on the recording and the fact that you would have to look up IDs is already 2 barrier that will hold back majority of the people. In Legacy recording was a much bigger issue than in Evrima imo.

[limber hull]

this can work

@wild igloo #general-feedback message

Migrations are getting a rework soon, luckily enough, leaving us with patrol migrations (you get to freely roam the map looking for food, rather than staying in one zone), mass migrations (all players congregate to one big migration zone for a short time, leading to heavy player interaction), and species migration (what we have now, with different species going their own unique paths)

[wild igloo]

Oh ok, thank you for letting me know. It's reassuring to know that I will be able to actually enjoy the map we waited so long for. I guess they feedback is just to see if people agree with me since like you said it's already confirmed that they are going to rework it.

[limber hull]

Oh yea, no I agree, it's why I'm so excited for the rework

[wild igloo]

Do you know when it's coming or an estimate maybe?

[limber hull]

A future hordetest, so that could be next hordetest or any hordetest after

Seems like they've been working on it for a while though, so we'll see

[wild igloo]

Oh ok, better than I though

thought*

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

100%!!! Not to mention, you could not convince me that troodon's tiny teeth and jaws are strong enough to crush a hypsi's skull. I'm not saying a hypsi would necessarily win in a fight against a troodon, but the fact a troodon can one shot it makes 0 sense to me. Heck, maybe even a small size buff wouldn't be too bad either.

Hypsi is incredibly lacking and overall saddening, especially considering how long it's been in the game.

[barren zephyr]

It’s going to get climbing soon anyway, I’d disagree with the size buff but yeah, troodons health buff sort of messed up the matchups it had with hypsi, dryo, and beipi.

[barren zephyr]

Climbing won't give it much, while it will make it more interesting, I wouldn't say it'll save it. Hypsi will need a lot more than climbing to be more worth playing as a PvE animal

[dry falcon]

#general-feedback message
I'm curious to know why people don't think a mutation like this shouldn't be added.

[indigo mural]

@quick wing what do you think makes the idea not work for the troodon climbing thing?

@cold minnow ^ same question

Anyone really who thinks it’s not a good idea. I’m like genuinely curious

[urban flax]

Speed boost+ automatically tells you if there is another dino nearby
Probably one of the most OP mutations that could be thought of

[indigo mural]

What about the troodon suggestion?

[urban flax]

I don't see troodon as a climber, and it doesn't need such a thing

[indigo mural]

I wish there was just more places to hang out like burrows when dryo eventually gets the ability

[urban flax]

Many other dinos would be better candidates for climbing while juvies than troodon

[indigo mural]

What examples?

I might agree fr I just can’t think of anything off top other than the ones confirmed to get some sort of climbing. I do think troodon would make more sense than hypsi climbing though as a side note

[urban flax]

Well first, hypsi should (and normally will) get climbing at all stages, so should velo once it's added
In the current roster though, not many

[urban flax]

Why ? Hypsi is a feathered squirrel
Also hypsi really lacks a niche or a form of interest, troodon doesn't
It's also getting mimicry at some point

[indigo mural]

? Not to interrupt but why should velo get it if troodon shouldn’t?

[indigo mural]

Mimicry is still confirmed?

[indigo mural]

You’re right, I just can’t really imagine how hypsi would go about climbing in like an aspect of animation

[urban flax]

Because velo won't be identical to troodon, and will hopefully have something interesting going for it rather than being glorified AI

[urban flax]

Probably same as herrera does
Or like again, a squirrel

[urban flax]

Pretty sure it is

[vale pawn]

i NEED my super-generalist velo

[urban flax]

What I need is aerial treetop pursuit hunter velo

[vale pawn]

Velo airstrike

[indigo mural]

Velo vs troodon is gonna be so cool if anyone even plays them once more of the rooster is released

Would be cool if velo got a honey badger niche

[urban flax]

Um, I don't think everything should have a honey badger niche
This animal is being mentioned way too often, for being a large suicidal rat

[limber hull]

cerato is the honey badger because it literally is a large suicidal rat

[indigo mural]

I mean but it would work velo is going to get destroyed by like everything and I don’t see what incentive it would have for people to choose it over troodon

I feel like it might get removed from the rooster imo

If it isn’t ai

[vale pawn]

My idea: Since Troodon is an animal specialized for pack hunting and killing large animals, have Velo be the complete opposite, an expert generalist that is fully equipt to survive on its own

[indigo mural]

Wdym by survive on its own thing? And what ideas would be paired to a generalist play style?

I lack imagination my bad 😭

[urban flax]

Virgin Troodon : venomous night rat hunting in hordes (boring)
Chad Velo : Predator that can survive alone or hunt in packs, can scavenge, can fly, can climb trees, can burrow

[vale pawn]

#general-feedback message This is my full idea but it summary:
Have it pull something off in any situation its without the need of a pack mate.
Needs to run from something? Give it quick agile movement
Needs to scavenge off something? Give it a special ability to quickly dart in and out taking chunks of food.
Needs to go underground? Have it raid burrows
Can't find any meat? Eat some fruits to survive off hunger longer
Give it feathers and make it glide and climb too because why not

[urban flax]

Also can survive 9 days without a drop of water

[indigo mural]

@urban flax I kinda get what you mean with velo climbing, I was thinking that could fill a niche akin to something like weasels or a pine marten

[indigo mural]

I really like this idea highkey

I would play velo over troodon if that was the case fr

[vale pawn]

would also be cool if Velo and Troodon had a rivarly

Velo judges troodons socializing and Troodon judges Velo's solo wolf style

[limber hull]

both can exist in sanctuaries

[vale pawn]

turf wars: winner gets the sanctuary

[indigo mural]

I would enjoy that, wish there were conically established rivalries

Maybe some of the dossiers tapwing has released suggest a rivalry that Idk about

[urban flax]

I think troodon is like
Twice the size of velo

Or more

[vale pawn]

make them the same size

[indigo mural]

^ or just make velo a new made up species like Omni

[vale pawn]

but it wont be called "Velociraptor" and i want Velociraptor

[indigo mural]

Invinci-raptor

They’d probably just call it velociraptor but have like an incorrect spelling or something

[vale pawn]

Velosiraptor

[indigo mural]

I’d dig that

[indigo mural]

I just read your post and I think it’s really well planned out. I hope they take it into consideration

[vale pawn]

it NEEDs to be

[indigo mural]

That has me wondering

What will they do for the new “utahraptor”

[vale pawn]

summon the state of Utah

[indigo mural]

What does Utah even have

[urban flax]

Bigger than omni, bulkier, feathered, slower, more of a brawler rather than a pack hunter

[dry falcon]

So i remember perks were an idea, are mutations basically them or are perks still a concept being thought about?

[urban flax]

Mutations are perks

[dry falcon]

Ok

[craggy juniper]

Stomping / kicking sounds perfectly fine in my opinion, but I’d be curious to see what solution the developers could come up with 😊

[safe hearth]

a quick question:
Are species-specific mutations already in play?
quasi mutations that only carno can get.

[limber hull]

@marsh juniper dondi has confirmed diablo is staying at 3 tons

[lapis swallow]

Guh

[sage plover]

@narrow nova #general-feedback message
Dondi showed in a live stream that the way pouncing and bucking works has already been majorly changed for the next update

[narrow nova]

Adult dibble cost 65% stm Buck to get rid off raptor. I even have 20% bucking mutation.

[narrow nova]

What a good news

[woeful latch]

I think it’s better to make Utah same speed as dilo, there’s no point making it slower

It should be faster

[narrow nova]

I find some video about pounce and night vision,but didn't see anything about bucking,If possible, could you be kind tell me the link to the video you saw？

[sage plover]

I dont think there is a video of it, but dondi talked about it on the stream saying bucking won’t take stam anymore and will just knock omnis off somehow

I watched the stream live so

[narrow nova]

Perfect,thanks for telling me that

[limber hull]

it really shouldn't be given how dilo is balanced

[woeful latch]

xD

[limber hull]

it'd make dilo even more omni fodder than how it already is

[woeful latch]

Yeah dilo is in a bad spot rn

[limber hull]

it needs the additional speed, no matter what

[urban flax]

Unless it's stronger...

[finite lagoon]

Yeah, they have done great with animations and such so far. I'm excited to see the finished, polished product (2030? Lmao), even now it just feels really good to play.

[finite lagoon]

Tbf everything is omni fodder unless it's like 1/2v1. But it never is 😂

[lethal quartz]

stupid idea, but what if: pachy parry/deflect move?

if it times the headram from the front or side just right, it can deflect a standard bite/claw attack from smaller dinos with its thick bony skull, which can cause the predator to stagger back. Can't work on most animals bigger/heavier than an omni though, maybe a dilo at most.

[wooden agate]

@fickle timber #general-feedback message no

[fickle timber]

why

[wooden agate]

((carno is a small game hunter, and is getting changes to shove it into that niche more. frankly i think its incredibly odd carno got dibble on its diet instead of cerato.))

i personally wouldnt say cerato is small game compared to carno. id say moreso things 900kg and under are small game compared to carno.

however, you can still get diet from ceratos as carno. eat their organs. (also, if cerato was added to carno diet, it would be dots. carno needs more lines options more than anything)

[supple cedar]

PLS

[crimson yoke]

Well i hope this crap game goes down its clearly nothing but a scam at this point made by people with no skill in map making or gameplay. Unless you fix this bug of a game its only gonna fail people dont gonna lick your arss for ever.
DEAL WITH IT and take your crap game fare up your behind.

[limber hull]

lmao what

[gentle flint]

Felt so strongly he had to post it 5 times

[supple cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mole-nuh-uh-gif-12690884265354683647

The isle my beloved

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message i like how in your entire feedback post you dont once mention what the actual issue is. im assuming your day/night speed is super fast, in which case its client side and its the server catching up to itself. either relog, or just wait a few minutes. its not that deep lol

[wooden agate]

anyway, i think you'll be happy to learn pachy is even worse than you think it is

[limber hull]

uhhh but raptor mains told me it was really strong!!!!

[supple cedar]

He left the server

[limber hull]

still wrong in every channel lol

[gentle flint]

[supple cedar]

[tight iron]

@tawny pendant speed

run

[wooden agate]

pachy is 500kg

you need 60% of an animals weight to pin it without a stamina threshhold. you need 2 raptors to initiate pin.

60% of 500kg is 300, 300/2 (for the two raptors needed) is 150.

this means (and its totally not broken btw. pachy is super strong guys) pachy gets pinned by two 150kg raptors. or if you please, a 200kg raptor and a 100kg one.

[tight iron]

you got the stam, you got the speed, run

[limber hull]

yup its awesome isnt it

dont worry, i knew

[wooden agate]

so balanced and fair. dont worry though, pachy is tooootally a brawler for its size and actually overpowered!

[limber hull]

im big on maths lol

two juvi raptors can pin it but IT'S REALLY STRONG AND POWERFUL AND DOESN'T NEED BUFFS GUYS

I promise :)

[wooden agate]

in the event troodon got pin, do you think it would use its actual weight (120kg, since thats its health), or the fake weight shown on the tab menu?

[limber hull]

Source: I played pachy and wrecked raptors that haven't played the game since U3 spiro

[supple cedar]

I hope my suggestion is approved, I really enjoy playing herbivores