general-feedback-discussion

[plush pumice]

i do too but at the same time i do like how it is now..

[barren zephyr]

i like his idea cuz it forces you to spawn somewhere else, while also being able to meet up with your friend

its kinda like how it is now, but bether imo

like for an example, i spawned as a teno today at sp, and when i got my sanc food. the migration was at god damn east pond coastal place

(i also broke my leg on the way)

[brave trout]

It migth be a skill issue on my part but Dilo's turning speed is absolutely disgusting in hordetesting

Actually I don,t think it's the turning speed, it's that the dino just brakes or slows down so drastically when turning it makes it unplayable

[tight iron]

uh yes because dilo is the most op thing ever made

[brave trout]

How ? Wasn't the venom nerfed ?

[tight iron]

uh yes but it still is horribly op

[brave trout]

I didn,t manage to envenom anything right now so I can't tell how strong it still is

[tight iron]

oh well

[brave trout]

But they definitely nerfed the turning ability of the dino very drastically

[tight iron]

it blinds you remotely kills you it's faster than everything excepting galli and carno it has more stam than those as well and it can spam bite the heck out of you

i think that by itself would be enough to warrant horrible turning speed and more

[brave trout]

Regardless if it's OP because of the Venom I'm not playing this Dino ever again, it was really not enjoyable to play.

I tip my hat to those who manage to play that wreck

[barren zephyr]

thanks, (i main dilo lol)

[barren zephyr]

W dilo main

but i still play herbi from time to time

[full pewter]

Question for y’all. Ideas for Plateo?

[latent olive]

it’s meant to be

dilo is incredibly fast, and the turning speed being slow is a compensation

if it could turn faster than it could now, it wouldn’t need to fear anything in the day

[latent olive]

kangaroo

let it wrestle and then drown mfers in water

[radiant nest]

classic australian...

[limber hull]

this is the idea i wanted for it

[full pewter]

Yea wavepooles post on that is definitely one of the better ideas. Just hope it doesn’t also mean a kangaroo kick too

[limber hull]

made a whole ass feedback post on shallow drowner plateo

[latent olive]

hell no, that’s a 5 ton animal

[full pewter]

Some aquatic affinities would be cool too

[latent olive]

only the combat ability of a roo

[full pewter]

Exactly

I’ve also made ideas for clawed dinos, being they could have a straf like ceratopsians, and I can see Plateo having something similar

Like a unique variation of it

[barren zephyr]

Where?

[limber hull]

ages ago

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
It makes no sense for dilo's hallucinations to do any damage
they are Hallucinations
Not real

they dont need to do damage to be effective in a fight
a Dilo's venom should only be there to disorient the prey

[urban flax]

It makes no sense for venom to do damage ?

[rough wind]

its a hallucination

[light rock]

but damage just chipping away at your health is boring and kinda just OP

but if you make the hallucinations do the damage, then you have a chance to at least fend off the venom

[rough wind]

not asking for damage overtime
just making the ai smart enough to act as a player and confuse the prey

then let the dilo get a few bites in

[urban flax]

"Just make the AI smart enough to act as a player"
Sure, that's an easy task

[light rock]

^

[rough wind]

its what the devs said they would do

and it has been done before

[light rock]

They're working on it, but remember, the dev team is small, and the amount of devs working on AI is even smaller, as far as we know, it is one

[rough wind]

yes and i dont expect them to be able to immediatly fix it but this is how i think dilo's abilities should be

[limber hull]

So how would the venom do damage then?

[rough wind]

we came to a consensus in discussion chat
Dilo hallucinations should do much less damage but should still do some
An increase in dilo bite damage
and hallucinations should take 2 bites on target to recharge
At the start of a fight the dilo would have 3 hallucinations all ready to go

along with a revamp to hallucination ai making it closer to how a player would move

[limber hull]

I don’t think dilo needs a higher bite force at all, it’s already quite high.

[rough wind]

yeah but with the nerf to its hallucination it might need it

with a pack it will still be very powerful and solo would be on par with a cera if not stronger

[limber hull]

Then don’t nerf the hallucination if you think such a thing would necessitate a buff in other regions. You turn dilo into a face tanker, which is a terrible direction for it, and discourages venom usage in a fight

Feels like a way to weaken its identity tbh

[rough wind]

no because it still has lower health meaning it needs to be very careful with how it attacks and thats where the hallucinations are effective

[limber hull]

It doesn’t have low health for a small tier. It would literally facetank the hell out of every other small tier

[rough wind]

for the current playables i think it has low health for its size

[limber hull]

It has the exact same health for its size

700HP because it weighs 700kg

[rough wind]

aight then
lower it

[limber hull]

Why?

[rough wind]

because lower health solves the issue you brought up

[limber hull]

You build it to have weak hallucinations, require to bite to regen hallucinations and high bite force. You made a face tanker. Lowering its health is in direct contrast to every other change you made

If it has powerful venom, lower health would make more sense.

[rough wind]

the hallucinations compensate for the lower health

[limber hull]

Because it gets punished for getting caught, which aligns with a more skittish, evasive playstyle

[rough wind]

thats exactly how the dilo is
it doesnt facetank but it does a lot of damage

[limber hull]

Except you nerfed them and encouraged dilo to go in and bite more

[rough wind]

the hallucinations are there to distract and do some damage if you cant catch them
while the prey is going after the hallucination then the dilo can go in and get another bite

[limber hull]

Sounds like there’s two conflicting identities you want for dilo. Squishy and evasive, but powerful and in-your-face

[rough wind]

glass cannon

agile but strong bite

hallucinations to create opportunities for bites

and a player with enough skill to use the hallucinations

[limber hull]

Dilo isn’t agile lol

IDK, I feel these changes kinda make dilo less of its original identity and more “run and bite therapod #305”

Hell, the night terror aspect has been all but forgotten, given how the venom is no longer as impactful.

[rough wind]

it is still useful
but now you cant just spam and abuse it to kill everything

[sterile shale]

you can be out of range, plus it lasts a lot less time now

I think they balanced dilo venom

#general-feedback message @rotund hazel I doubt people want to be forced to migrate rn especially as carnivores because the game just does not incentivize it at all, and forcing players to with a debuff is prob worse because half the time hotspots are just more appealing and engaging than migration.

and there is a list somewhere of reasons not to add mixpacking debuffs

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

not my list but it gets the point across ig

[native vortex]

For the ppl who disagreed, what’s the reason? #general-feedback message

[sterile shale]

because then you can just swarm people without any tactics

group fights require coordination for that reason

[limber hull]

yea basically lol

that summarises the entire response

[native vortex]

What about when playing herrera for example, how are u supposed to jump in a group of 3 or more

[limber hull]

space yourself out

[sterile shale]

time the attacks lol

[native vortex]

Not with the recent hitbox change with Herrera lmao

[sterile shale]

herra has decent bleed, wait until the opponent tries to sit then the next person jumps

[native vortex]

The target will obv move lol

[sterile shale]

so can you 👍

there is an abundance of trees

[native vortex]

Huh

[native vortex]

That’s not how it works, once the target is aware of your presence it won’t let you pounce it again

[native vortex]

Then atleast certain creatures should have or else it’s just chaos lol

[limber hull]

none should

[native vortex]

How does a pack of Herrera’s hunt then

[limber hull]

not on top of each other

[native vortex]

That’s impossible when jumping

Ur gonna kill them one way or the other

[barren crater]

Ngl it would be pretty op if they could all line up an attack without fear. They’d punch up very, very high

[native vortex]

It’s the targets fault if they miss a bunch of Herrera’s lol, they are not that small

[sterile shale]

no one is looking up at the trees lol

[midnight heath]

I feel like it'd take no thought for group hunts since there's no worry about accidentally harming a groupmate.

Being able to dog pile without any repercussions sounds like an awful idea.

[native vortex]

Their fault, u should always check the trees it takes one sec it ain’t that deep

[barren crater]

Sure but ignoring friendly damage is a bit goofy. It’s not impossible to line up double hits. Why not make it a bit cleaner for the Herrera to quickly move when they hit a target or possible aim for different parts of the body?

[midnight heath]

You can't see herreas in trees half the time, typically the tops of trees are pretty shaded anyhow.

[sterile shale]

it just takes away from the skill of pvp

[barren crater]

I’ve done a few double hits

It’s rare but rewarding

[native vortex]

Then raptors should be able to accidentally pounce their teammates if they are also pouncing

[barren crater]

They do

[native vortex]

Which trees?

[barren crater]

Literally get knocked down

[native vortex]

Ah mb

[midnight heath]

Any taller palms, especially at night.

[native vortex]

Herrera is an ambusher not a fighter tho, so idkkk

[native vortex]

Herrera’s are only at east plains man, if you can’t see them dk what to say lol

[sterile shale]

yeah ambush doesn't mean 1 tap anything in sight

[midnight heath]

I'm not arguing with the guy who thinks you chase prey on foot as a herrea.

[sterile shale]

if you just stack a herra group on one target

[native vortex]

It does, deino and raptors do lol

[midnight heath]

They're not only at East, some people do in fact migrate.

[native vortex]

When did I ever say such thing lol

[native vortex]

It’s very rare lmao

[midnight heath]

2-3 days ago when we argued about it making noise.

[native vortex]

Use the search bar and search it up, I never said such a thing lol

[sterile shale]

raptors do bleed, and you're a lot more aware of a deino in limited water than a herra in infinite trees

herra also does bleed, you don't need to be stacking damage to one shot something

[native vortex]

Infinite trees? The chances of u standing directly beneath the tree with a herrera on are slim

[sterile shale]

???

do you know how far a herra can jump

[native vortex]

Herrera’s bleed does not one shot carnos or ceras

[sterile shale]

why are you fighting carnos and ceras as a herra and expecting to win???

[native vortex]

So? Your saying that a person accidentally be happen to be under some random trees near a herrera

[sterile shale]

???

[native vortex]

That’s why I fight them in groups lol

[sterile shale]

how else does the herra attack someone?

[midnight heath]

I can't screenshot the whole conversation.

[native vortex]

Find a target then climb up a tree while it’s eating or smt

[sterile shale]

Yes a person is near a tree a herra is on how else do you ambush them

[wooden agate]

LOL

[midnight heath]

You literally called it a pursuit predator rather than an ambusher.

[native vortex]

How is that saying I should fight/chase prey on foot

[wooden agate]

thats... what a prusuit predator is... something that prusues its prey

[midnight heath]

Because herrea isn't meant to be chasing things on the ground on foot when it's main attack is dropping onto things and it's slow.

[wooden agate]

cant exactly chase something from the tree tops unless you go full monke mode

[sterile shale]

Herra does not have the stam to jump from tree to tree

also do you know how loud a herra is when it climbs???

[barren crater]

Not as loud anymore tbf

[sterile shale]

and you have to be unaware as hell to not hear or see a herra as it climbs

[wooden agate]

herrera is meant to do devestating attacks by falling from large heights and relies on its massive bleed to allow it to kill somethings it wouldnt be able to purely with its damage

[native vortex]

No I didn’t, being a persuit predator means actively chasing your prey, what I said is creep up on your target climb up a tree while they are unaware and strike. Strawman fallacy btw nice try

[wooden agate]

that is not being a pursuit predator

[midnight heath]

That's not what a strawman is

[wooden agate]

like full on, thats not what that is lol

[barren crater]

Herrera can chase after prey to set up better ambushes. I’ve done it so many times. Killed 3 carnos that way

[native vortex]

It is,u mischaracterised my argument to make it easier to debunk

[gilded seal]

Perfect way to use herra is looking when other dinos fight, like raptors vs tenos you wait when someone goes to sit down or rest healing. That dino is Best target

[sterile shale]

and you said it yourself "the targets fault if they miss a bunch of Herrera’s lol, they are not that small" so if they're so easy to spot how can they sneak up on a player unaware lol

[midnight heath]

That's... Still not what a strawman is

[native vortex]

That’s what I’m saying

[sterile shale]

NO YOU ARE NOT

[sterile shale]

?????

[native vortex]

Look it up

[barren crater]

After you land a hit, it wouldn’t be wrong to say that you do pursue your prey

[wooden agate]

i cant

bait used to be believable you know. atleast i hope for your sake that this is bait

[limber hull]

someone is playing herrera as a PURSUIT??

[native vortex]

Mb used the wrong word but u get what I meant

[sterile shale]

mate you just said like 10 minutes ago that a person wouldn't sit near a tree a herra is in

[native vortex]

Lmao

[midnight heath]

I'm not taking what you said incorrectly, I'm literally taking the fact you said pursuit as pursuing.

[native vortex]

😅

[wooden agate]

"no i didnt!"

shows proof
"nah, i didnt"
shows more proof

[midnight heath]

"Nah."

[native vortex]

Yk what I meant, I explained it later

[midnight heath]

Anyway, friendly fire seems like a bad idea.

[native vortex]

How is creeping up on a prey pursuing it and chasing?

Don’t duck this

[wooden agate]

YOU SAID THAT

im done im going back to bed

[sterile shale]

😭

[wooden agate]

theres only so much islecord i can take

[native vortex]

I used the wrong word mb again

[midnight heath]

I'm not arguing with you, with all respect I genuinely do not care.

[sterile shale]

too real

[native vortex]

Bc you can’t but bye

[barren crater]

🦾 you told them

[midnight heath]

[native vortex]

Mate why are u so pressed over me using the wrong word on accident

[sterile shale]

because you keep contradicting yourself

[native vortex]

I didn’t mean it like that I literally explained it later

[native vortex]

I used the wrong word like once, how is that consistently contradicting myself

[sterile shale]

none of this relates to why friendly fire is bad

[native vortex]

Yea bc this “deino” kid changed the topic

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/heartaglows-stan-twitter-bktidalwave-crying-comfort-gif-27564890

it just keeps going,,, the bait never ends

[sterile shale]

herra's shouldn't be able to just stack pounces and one shot ceras or whatever and it takes the skill out of pvp

[native vortex]

No one is bruh, know the context first

[wooden agate]

friendly fire bad, group hunt require coordination 👍

[sterile shale]

don't start lmao

[native vortex]

I’m 100% Fr njk

[sterile shale]

hooray

[limber hull]

hey man

i didnt say it

[wooden agate]

nothing you ever do will make me believe this wasnt bait

[native vortex]

Really

[midnight heath]

We all agree the idea isn't great, a productive day in the feedback discussion. 🤝

[native vortex]

U all agreeing dosent prove anything lol, keep committing these fallacies all u want

[sterile shale]

pvp is like half of the game's content and if you just reduce it to chase prey with no coordination I'd just give up on this game

[midnight heath]

Was the ETA for Diablo real or was I getting joked on?

[latent olive]

technically, in the general feedback post, youre meant to say remove friendly fire, not add it, as adding it implies you want to deal damage to allies

regardless, hell naw

[wooden agate]

may update

[wooden agate]

owl

[latent olive]

go to sleepel spelo tpo[ lslgepe

[native vortex]

It’s hard coordinating if ur not in a vc tho

[sterile shale]

fighting the urge to not put the nerd emoji

[midnight heath]

After misusing the definition of a word already I'd be more careful choosing to throw out buzzwords again.

[sterile shale]

tough luck ig idk mate

[latent olive]

i had the nerd emoji in my head the entire time i was typing

[midnight heath]

Supposedly misusing

[limber hull]

Okay so let me drop some secret tech on you

There IS an anti-friendly fire mechanic, but it's a 10% damage reduction on group members

[sterile shale]

that's good enough

[midnight heath]

Really?

[latent olive]

this will RUIN the game

[native vortex]

Says the guy who didn’t even know the defenition of a Strawman fallacy

[sterile shale]

😔

[native vortex]

Dawg

[limber hull]

Strawberry fantasy

[sterile shale]

the only way to kill stego groups is to make them kill each other hahaha

[midnight heath]

You literally used that word incorrectly and I said why. You said pursuit and I took it was pursuing because it's genuinely, truly what you said.

[limber hull]

teno also works

[midnight heath]

If you say something is brown and I call it brown that's not a strawman. This isn't a debate bro channel anyhow.

[lapis swallow]

Friendly fire is good for coordination and punishing careless players, I also want to see Steglings getting murdered accidentally by their parents. Case closed, have a good one

[wooden agate]

but he used the wrong word... but its our fault for taking him at face value

i have pizza now

[sterile shale]

exactly

[native vortex]

In the screenshot u provided I did not lol, I said creep up on your target and strike them while they are unaware but u said i meant pursuing basically misscharacterising my argument to make it easier to debunk

[midnight heath]

So based

[sterile shale]

guys I think the real issue in this game is the dependance on ai for food

[native vortex]

Not in the ss he provided that was a diff message

[midnight heath]

I don't care Jxmper, you can stop pinging me about this.

[native vortex]

How can u coordinate while not being in a vc

[native vortex]

He sent a different ss lmao

[wooden agate]

THAT IS THE SAME MESSAGE

[lapis swallow]

Literally the same message

[native vortex]

Then stop lying abt u not commitinf a fallacy

[wooden agate]

ITS THE BEGINNING OF THE SAME MESSAGE

[native vortex]

No, deino sent another one

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-bang-gif-12070477

[midnight heath]

Its the same conversation

It has to be bait

[wooden agate]

only bait could make me feel this way

[midnight heath]

I ain't strong enough Boss

[native vortex]

Left ss

[sterile shale]

😭

[native vortex]

Trust me gang

[sterile shale]

Im gonna sacrifice my herra now

[barren crater]

Continue

[sterile shale]

sick of herra

[native vortex]

It’s actually called Herrera

[lapis swallow]

🤓

[native vortex]

Thanks for the entertainment

[sterile shale]

blocked

[midnight heath]

I think pachys alt cool down is a bit long, thoughts?

[wooden agate]

yeah i guess the left message DOES have you calling it a pursuit predator a bit more obviously

[native vortex]

Persuing means actively chasing, i said creep up and kill it when it’s unaware

[wooden agate]

i miss update 4 pachy

[sterile shale]

idk why you'd want to fight a cera anyway, you get stunned once you pounce them and it's a free bite for them

[native vortex]

Pachy is horrible he needs a buff and a nerf can’t lie

[wooden agate]

i can't do anything but stare in this message in pure shock. like actual shock.

[lapis swallow]

They asked why it is a pursuit predator, you answered why you think it is one

[native vortex]

😶‍🌫️

[sterile shale]

can we talk about something else Im sick of this topic

who has another general feedback idea

[midnight heath]

Diablo

Will it be nerfed a week after launch? I think so.

[sterile shale]

prob lmao

[barren crater]

Carno has to hunt it!

[native vortex]

It needs to be if it’s like teno

[wooden agate]

its like the flying dutchmen trying to convince patrick that its his wallet

[sterile shale]

I pray it isn't broken on realease because everyone is gonna play it

[barren crater]

Diablo nerf and then a Carno buff. Calling it

[sterile shale]

[native vortex]

Isn’t carno supposed to be hunting small things

[midnight heath]

I'll fall to pieces right then and there

Crumbling

[barren crater]

I mean what’s a broken Diablo to you?

[sterile shale]

idk

[midnight heath]

I want Diablo to be strong like in Legacy, it wasn't God but you thought twice as a mid-tier hunting it.

[barren crater]

Carno is a better same lane hunter than small game

[sterile shale]

just not unkillable like stego

is all I want

[lapis swallow]

Boy, do I have news for you

[barren crater]

I wouldn’t be surprised if 2 carnos consistently dropped solo Diablo’s

[midnight heath]

You can kill stego, just takes a lot. Killed one recently with 4 ceras.

I'm genuinely shocked we didn't lose any of said ceras, we were all 1-tap by the end.

[sterile shale]

that would make sense ig

[native vortex]

I bet half of them are dead cuz of the tail swings hitbox

[sterile shale]

actually idk

[native vortex]

Nvm

[midnight heath]

The thagomizer's hitbox isn't that generous, it's mostly a d-sync thing I'm pretty positive when people are hit when they're not supposed to.

Like most things on the servers.

[sterile shale]

ik they're not that great in theory but when they use they can use the environment so well to their advantage

it takes a lot to kill one and not a lot to kill you

call it a skill issue idk

[midnight heath]

I don't go for stegs honestly, I just don't have the patience typically.

Cera at least can make it start starving or dehydrating since you can't really bleed it out.

I know raptors do fine against it too but I don't trust my ping enough for it.

[wooden agate]

people who call stego op simply dont know how to hold w

[native vortex]

Fr just bait it until it has no stam

[midnight heath]

It really ain't going to chase you, I feel you there.

Or don't engage

[sterile shale]

I don't even bother with stegs lol

[midnight heath]

I'm excited for it's new attack, mostly because it just looks pretty.

[sterile shale]

because where there's one, there's always more

[midnight heath]

Sometimes, canni stegs are popular. I don't herd up because of it personally.

[sterile shale]

I just don't play steg lol

I find it boring

[midnight heath]

It is, it's slow and not super fleshed out.

[sterile shale]

no one ones to fight you, all you do is just walk to migration and prey there is actual food there

[midnight heath]

Its the migration zones that get me, stegs so slow to walk 20 minutes back and forth.

[sterile shale]

it was a mistake adding deino and steg so early

[midnight heath]

Agreed

[sterile shale]

I've been seeing the debate about removing spawn points to counteract hotspots,

but I think it goes beyond that, deinos make half the drinking water unsafe, which is what draws players to ponds

and players can rely on ai as a food source more reliable then going to migration to hunt

[midnight heath]

Yeah it's a bit right now for sure, I want East to not be the only place to visit for player interaction.

[sterile shale]

and also the game has nothing to do outside of eat drink and fight so you can't really blame players for not wanting to just walk around

[sterile shale]

Same, but when the only form of player interaction is nesting and pvp you can't blame players for grouping up

[native vortex]

In legacy u could still interact with players without being at hotspots tho

[midnight heath]

I like going up to babies or juvies, I think it's cute when I can kill a goat for a baby troodon.

[sterile shale]

and nesting is discentivised enough as is and the player count is too low to have organic interactions spread around the whole map

[midnight heath]

But that's about it if I'm not hunting, nesting is - alright but doing it with strangers is rough.

Can be rough I guess would be better

[sterile shale]

Nesting is hard and kinda unrewarding so fair enough players, especially carnivores don't do it

I think AI is the bigger issue for hotspots

especially because gateway is just so much bigger than the previous maps

people just end up relying on eating ai instead of hunting

[midnight heath]

Yeah, AI tends to just be easier so it makes it all a bit wonky sometimes.

[sterile shale]

it just seems a lot riskier to go to migration to hope you can get a kill rather than just sit in a hotspot and eat ai

[native vortex]

Well balance the game first lmfao

U can’t hunt when some playables are op

[sterile shale]

stego is the worst one but they aren't unkillable

even if you're solo just go for mid tiers

[limber hull]

in terms of unhuntable, deino takes the cake

following it are ptera, herrera and galli, then MAYBE stego

[sterile shale]

ptera and herrera make sense ofc, galli is unhuntable because no one plays it

[limber hull]

no

[sterile shale]

kidding but yeah those make sense

[limber hull]

stego is oversold lol

its very huntable

[sterile shale]

it just takes time and effort

[tight iron]

i have arrived to drop a very powerful message

#general-feedback message skill issue

i now shall leave

[native vortex]

Dilo? It’s hard to hunt them, they can easily escape

[native vortex]

Reported

[tight iron]

real

[native vortex]

How dare you downvote me

[tight iron]

because astronomical skill issue

bigger than the universe itself

[native vortex]

Raptor main talking

[tight iron]

me when raptor is one of the if not the dino that takes the most skill to use in the whole game 👍

[native vortex]

One tapping gallis is not skill required lol

[tight iron]

who says i survive on gallis 🤔

[native vortex]

Can u 1v1 carnos and ceras lol

[tight iron]

i suck against ceras and im meh against carnos

[cyan flame]

It's not really, though at least with no face pouncing, it's slightly better. But then you got rear pouncing back and well, there went half of the skill requirement again

[tight iron]

im only very good against tenos and such

[tight iron]

compared to spam charging or spam charge biting

[cyan flame]

Should have kept only flank pouncing, but alas

[native vortex]

How are u good against the most op thing in the game☠️

[tight iron]

because it is easy to bait them

and teno is not op

it is reasonably strong

[cyan flame]

Depends on who you ask xD

[tight iron]

hmmmmmmm true

[cyan flame]

I've seen quite a bit of "teno too good" sentiments around

[native vortex]

They are infact, 300+ damage with no worries abt the stamina

[tight iron]

same thing

[tight iron]

but sir have u seen those legs

[native vortex]

I have, they are short and idk how they deal that much

[tight iron]

i am surprised ma boi doesnt cause head fractures

oversized horse gaming

[native vortex]

A donkey arguably has stronger kicks

[tight iron]

well a teno weighs 1.6 tons

[native vortex]

Look at the speed he is kicking at

[tight iron]

pretty normal speed

[native vortex]

That is NOT powerful

[tight iron]

ive seen horses kick the heck outta ppl and they kick at the same speed

so yeah it is extremely powerful 👍

[native vortex]

Hell no

Most intelligent raptor main

[tight iron]

hmm

i see that you refuse to accept reality and instead insult me for my preferences

very kind person indeed

[native vortex]

Some of it was satire lol, but bfr they do not kick at the same speed as horses

[tight iron]

if you happen to have an issue with raptors, that's fine, but it's pointless to insult someone based on what said person prefers to play

[tight iron]

have u been around horses

like at all

[native vortex]

I thought u knew that I was jk guess not

[tight iron]

uh that is not a joke

sure you might see it as a joke but

it's a lil too far to be a joke

either way it's pointless to talk about that

[native vortex]

Too far? Humor is subjective

[tight iron]

jokes are supposed to be funny

[native vortex]

Ah yes this slow kick is enough to one shot dilos and fracture heads👍

[tight iron]

actually it is

[native vortex]

How smt is funny is also subjective

[native vortex]

We seeing the same vid??

[tight iron]

yes

[native vortex]

no

[tight iron]

idk man ive seen ppl just flying after being kicked like that by a horse

[native vortex]

I could prob survive that ngl

[tight iron]

i am seeing your whole ribcage broken after that

[native vortex]

A fresh spawn can knock down a fully grown herrera using its tailslam keep that in mind

[tight iron]

a what

[native vortex]

The isle physics be like

[tight iron]

huh

[native vortex]

A fresh spawn teno

[tight iron]

how tf can a fresh spawn knock a fully grown herrera

devs you got some fixing to do

[native vortex]

Exactly, makes no sense

[tight iron]

that makes ZERO sense

[limber hull]

pretty sure this is a very old video before the speed buffs to kick lmao

[native vortex]

Yea it is, didn’t know it got buffed lol

[tight iron]

i mean even then my man would just break my skull with that kick and send me flyin

[native vortex]

Hmm had to retreat aswell cuz i nearly got one tapped by its kicks

[tight iron]

u wat

how the hell does that even work

[native vortex]

Yea No joke

[tight iron]

oh my lord wtf

actual nonsense

weight-wise, sure it might be able to do that, but bro a babus aint got any strength 💀

[native vortex]

Fr like😭

[limber hull]

Herrera is VERY light

[tight iron]

yes but a babus teno realistically practically cant even move

awful lack of strength

[jovial hazel]

You don't spawn in as a baby

[native vortex]

175 kg and it got strength to climb trees and shi

[tight iron]

ummmmm

[limber hull]

the way knockdowns work is purely based on weight-to-weight comparisons

[tight iron]

yes im aware

thats why im saying that it makes no sense

i mean sure weight wise it makes sense

[limber hull]

If the herrera is lighter than teno, it does

[native vortex]

Fr like they don’t got the strength

[tight iron]

but ma boi

i have an idea let's make everything 1 tap herreras

[limber hull]

why not?

[native vortex]

It does what, make sense?

[limber hull]

knockdown

if herrera is heavier, it doesn't

[jovial hazel]

Why are you where a teno can kick you as a hererra. Seems like a bad idea.

[native vortex]

Physics and biology, babies dont got the strength to move fast or strike hard lol

[limber hull]

unless it's something small too

a baby horse can still kick a chicken lol

[native vortex]

A baby horse is like 3x its size, completly diffrent from the herrera and teno situation

[limber hull]

sure, counterpoint though

having to custom adjust each juvi to be "weak" not only dissuades juvi gameplay even MORE (and encourages bush camping), would also take a LOT of time and balance

[tight iron]

ummmmmmmm juvie gameplay is non existent tbh

like wtf r u gonna do as a juvie

definetely not fighting adults

[limber hull]

i mean, obviously

[native vortex]

Just make it so that baby tenos can only knock down things like hypsies

[limber hull]

wtf

[tight iron]

i have several questions

why on earth should a baby teno not be able to knock down a small dilo

[limber hull]

@urban flax HERE IT IS

[tight iron]

LOL

like yes make it unable to knock a fg herrera down but bro a small as hecc dilo should not stand a chance 😭

[limber hull]

I've been requested to inform him of all #EatGrassAndDie moments

[native vortex]

It should tho, i meant adults

[tight iron]

WAHT

an adult NOT BEING ABLE TO KNOCK DOWN A JUVIE DILO WTF

oh wait no i misread it 💀

https://tenor.com/view/minor-inconvenience2x-speed-gif-25617014

[native vortex]

I was refering to adult dinos it should knock down as baby never said it shouldn’t be able to knock down other juvis

[tight iron]

well tbh a hypsi only weighs 20kg so

if it can only megabonkers a hypsi then we are pretty much don

[limber hull]

imagine not being able to knock down an adult troodon loool

[native vortex]

@limber hull don’t get too excited

[limber hull]

operation make every juvi suck ass

[tight iron]

LOL

[native vortex]

I said things lile hypsies so that goes for troodons aswell lmaooo

[limber hull]

troodon is 3x larger than hypsi

[tight iron]

LMAOOO

[limber hull]

literally man idk what to tell you

[tight iron]

troodon is 3x larger than troodon

[native vortex]

Dk man both look the same size lol

[tight iron]

troodon is 60kg hypsi is 20kg

[limber hull]

also the knockdown range is universal

[native vortex]

Anyways i meant troodons aswell that’s the point

[limber hull]

can we not have "juvi specific nerfs" lol

literally, it's so easy to NOT get stunned by a teno as a herrera

[native vortex]

Forgot that but they look the same so that’s What i went off

[tight iron]

i see

[limber hull]

but ur wrong haha

[tight iron]

lmao

[native vortex]

Elaborate

[tight iron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801202573863682119/1004525722431393923/1002578867678089236.gif

[limber hull]

no

anyway point is, why nerf juvi teno

it's already slow and stupid and small

if you're a herrera, land on it and it explodes

problem solved

[native vortex]

It was in a field lol

[barren crater]

It can't lol

[native vortex]

I should be able to easily kill it on ground

[tight iron]

huh

wait how big was the teno

[native vortex]

Cuz u can’t lmao?

[barren crater]

A freshspawn teno can't knock a herrera lol

It's fodder

[tight iron]

brother how tf does he have to elaborate the fact that a troodon is 3 times the size of a hypsi

[limber hull]

unless the teno is literally like, 250kg, in which case it's not freshspawn, you cannot be knocked

[tight iron]

i am actually losing half my brain in this channel

[native vortex]

It couldn’t have been more than 20%, it was half my size and its tail couldn’t even go over me when it did the slam

[limber hull]

so... it wasnt freshspawn

LMAO

[tight iron]

oh then it wasnt fresh spawn you silly goose

[barren crater]

Or just run up and bite it to death

[limber hull]

that too

[tight iron]

bait 1 tail slam spam bite the head

[native vortex]

He said ur wrong, i assume he was refering to my other arguments

[barren crater]

You can just tank the damage and win

[native vortex]

Still, it shouldn’t be able to

[tight iron]

i want to die

[limber hull]

why tf not

[barren crater]

Like there's no fear from a fresh spawn

[tight iron]

it should absolutely be able to

[limber hull]

you have EVERY advantage

[tight iron]

just hug it

[limber hull]

if you lose to a juvi teno, that is a ridiculous skill issue

[tight iron]

it will turn into cheese and bacon

[limber hull]

you have speed, agility, damage, verticality, bleed

if you're losing to a goddamn juvi teno just stop playing herrera

[tight iron]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-issue-comically-large-spoon-spoon-gif-22697060

[native vortex]

I got caught off guard and i was one tap lol

[limber hull]

I main herrera/troodon

If I were EVER knocked down by a juvi teno, that's entirely on me

I have no one to blame but myself

[tight iron]

do u not have trees

[barren crater]

then gg tbf

[limber hull]

frankly based as hell juvi teno

[native vortex]

I beat a raptor on ground as a herrera the other day lol

[native vortex]

It was a field

[limber hull]

walked up to a significantly stronger predator and beat it to death

y were u in a field lol

[tight iron]

that raptor has the biggest skill issue on earth

[tight iron]

why were u going after a teno in a field

[limber hull]

the thinking man's quandries

[tight iron]

and actually how the hell did u get caught off guard IN A FIELD

[barren crater]

Nothing wrong with that tbf if it's small

[native vortex]

Excuses

[tight iron]

the ability to 1 tap a herrera with a right click:

[native vortex]

Needed food and it loooked like easy pickings

[tight iron]

hold on were u chasing it or did it chase u

[native vortex]

Ofc u go to one tap when u can’t fight a herrera using bites

[tight iron]

since u said u were caught off guard in a frickin field

[tight iron]

guaranteed kill and not wasting time

i find that to be a win

[native vortex]

I went to facetank it and it caught me offguard with its slam, didn’t know it was that strong

[tight iron]

absolute, MASSIVE skill issue

[limber hull]

we need to be applauding the teno for surviving that rather than requesting it nerfed

[tight iron]

for trying to facetank HIS ASS

[barren crater]

lmao

[tight iron]

yes indeed

[native vortex]

It looked like a fresh spawn didn’t know its tail would do much, wouldnt u facetank a freshspawm as a raptor or smt

[native vortex]

It needs a nerf, how th did it knock me down

[tight iron]

a raptor is not a herrera

[tight iron]

because you sir have the biggest skill issue ive seen in a while

[limber hull]

NUMBER ONE RULE OF THE ISLE

Don't underestimate something because it's small, because then once you get your ass kicked, you realise what an error you made

Source:
Omni v stego
Dilo v stego
Pachy v cera
Omni v teno
Dilo v teno
Troodon v teno

[tight iron]

excluding the raptor that u killed with bites

[native vortex]

My point is that i didn’t think it would do much

[limber hull]

Because you sat there and let it happen lol

[tight iron]

then that's on you why r u begging for a nerf

[native vortex]

Pachies gets neg diffed by ceras lol

[tight iron]

head fracture the cera and that's it

[limber hull]

(they do but most ceras are brainlets so eh)

[tight iron]

end of the fight

[limber hull]

My counterpoint is how many ceras I have seen get shredded

(they're bad ceras but still)

[native vortex]

They don’t? You might not have knowledge on bite of them but when pachy rams its stuns itself and ceras can bite it lol, a pachy is not defeating a cera

[tight iron]

just get a head fracture at the start of the fight and that's it you won

[limber hull]

I know but I see tons of ceras die to it

[tight iron]

a cera with his head fractured does so little damage that it's just an instant win

[native vortex]

No, ceras can still beat them with that fracture

[tight iron]

no sir you need so many bites that the pachy can just spam ram and win

[barren crater]

Hit & run pachy can beat the average cera player

[native vortex]

Maybe u saw a juvi cera or smt? U might not remember correctly

[limber hull]

Adult ceras that were killed by pachies

IDK what to tell you man

[native vortex]

No it can’t lol, u can’t run when u get stunned for 5 secs allowing the cera to get multiple bites

[tight iron]

brain rot

[tight iron]

u do not get stunned for 5 seconds 💀

[barren crater]

5 seconds LOOOL

[native vortex]

Hyperbolical statement, u get stunned long enough for ceras to get a bite or two

[tight iron]

brother just break his skull

he legitimately cant kill you if you do

if you die you have an INMENSE skill issue

[native vortex]

He can, I’ve tested it

[tight iron]

no he fricki ncant

he does less damage than a raptor

and you do inmense damage when ramming him

[native vortex]

We can legit test it out bruh

[barren crater]

Anyways hit and run is all you need. Stalk them. They can't heal leg fracture while standing and over time you beat them

[tight iron]

plus he cant even see

[native vortex]

You can’t run when u get stunned

[tight iron]

you can run right after 😭

[native vortex]

Yes we can, it’s just a skill issue if u struggle with it

[barren crater]

Bruh I know. I play pachy. I don't think you know how bad the average cera is lmao

[tight iron]

you can see but very little

go into a bush and sneak up behind him 👍

[native vortex]

I play pachy aswell, we can test it out on an admin server if u want lol, I’m objectively right

[tight iron]

you are not right 💀

[native vortex]

Then test it with me

[tight iron]

bet

[native vortex]

Finally lmao

[tight iron]

live branch unofficials euomni

join that server be a cera ill be a pachy

[native vortex]

Aightttt

[tight iron]

ill grow you to 100% and we fight

[native vortex]

Ok

[native vortex]

I’m switching to the main branch, it will take a couple of mins

[tight iron]

i literally just spawned

[tight iron]

alr dw i can wait

[barren crater]

You're not the average cera player lmao. I don't think you know how bad the average player is

[native vortex]

Aight nice i’all let yk when i’m in

[tight iron]

👍

[native vortex]

Tbh if they don’t bite u while the pachy is stunned, dk what to say lol, from what i’ve seen it’s pretty easy

[barren crater]

Nah you chip away with bites and rams when they're sitting to heal leg frac

[native vortex]

Hmm, but when the cera is up it’s way diff

[barren crater]

Oh yeah 100%.

Pachy is very good at the whole "long game hunting" thing. People usually end fights quickly and suicide but 2 pachys can drop just about anything. Leg fracture = win as you can have one pachy keep the carno / cera / teno up while you heal off. Pachy heals very well

You can pretty much starve a carno / cera that way as well lol

[native vortex]

Lowkey true

[tight iron]

how's the download going

[native vortex]

20%

About 4 gb left

[tight iron]

20% left or 20% progress

[native vortex]

20% progress

[tight iron]

damn that's slow as hell

[native vortex]

It’s only like a couple of mg per secs

It ain’t that deep

[tight iron]

im used to getting it done in like 5 mins

ping me once it's done

[native vortex]

Aight

It’s currently 36 btw

[tight iron]

gonna be making lunch in the meantime

[tight iron]

@native vortex wat's the progress

[native vortex]

It’s ready now

[tight iron]

oka

join le epic server called euomni

[native vortex]

Should’ve named it euherrera

[tight iron]

it's not even mine 😭

[native vortex]

[wary flower]

Hey, is it a pvp server?

[native vortex]

I’m in

[tight iron]

pretty much yes

[wary flower]

Thanks

[tight iron]

spawn as cera

[native vortex]

Did

[tight iron]

:>

was gettin sum stam at the end and just said "frick it we ball"

[native vortex]

Lets try again, some of my hits didn’t connect at first lol

[tight iron]

👍

that's better

[native vortex]

See? Its so easy

[tight iron]

well i beat you up in the first one and played it horribly in the second on

tiebreaker now :>

eat me corpse

[native vortex]

I’m not calling you bad, pachy is just bad atm

[tight iron]

yes im aware

also pachy is very strong rn

[native vortex]

Wanna 1v1 me as a 90% pachy and I raptor

[tight iron]

hold on

[native vortex]

Ok

[tight iron]

let's just do a final one

[native vortex]

I can’t eat the corspe

[tight iron]

uh what

[native vortex]

100% hunger

[tight iron]

cera can overeat

[native vortex]

Ye but it’s not filling up the bacteria

[tight iron]

doesnt matter

[native vortex]

Did u see how my bites didn’t connect?

[tight iron]

yep it's cause i abused the hitboxes lolz

cera charge bite hitbox is terrible

[barren zephyr]

Jxmper I think they just proved your argument was incorrect lol

[sterile shale]

[normal lotus]

@echo rune I do want this too, but i think that UE5 thing is specifically used for solo games because of performance.

[echo rune]

There are still ways to make waterfalls looking better then they are niw

[normal lotus]

True that

[rotund hazel]

I'm not talking about stress debuffs or 1 time hunts causing such a thing. When I say prolonged mixpacking, I mean the goobers that sit together for entire growth phases, hours at a time. Feeding each other meat chunks and swimming around their pet deino, grouping up as 8 raptors, 2 ceratos, 3 deinos, and a stego to kill anything that looks at them funny, etc.
If you're together for more than an hour, then cry me a river, your probably mixpacking.

As for forced migration, you can't tell me that sitting in East all day every day, just killing stuff constantly is actually fun gameplay. Atrophy would incentivise movement. Which would turn the migration zones into the temporary hotspots they're intended to be because people would actually go to them instead of just sitting around a pond in the most spiro-like section of an otherwise gorgeous map, deathmatch pvping instead of playing the game as intended as a survival game.
If everyone is moving to avoid atrophy as a bad lifestyle, then you're more likely to find players to fight throughout the map instead of just in one hotspot. Leading to more natural interactions throughout each growth cycle.
Aside from that, it discourages afk growth, also leading to more movement and more opportunities to cross paths with others naturally, instead of a third of the population hiding in bushes for hours at a time.

[sterile shale]

I mean pvping in the east beats sitting around doing nothing lol

and forcing migration isn't the same as incentivise. The reason carnivores don't go to migration is because it's so much easier and more rewarding to go to hotspots and pvp and eat ai, migration zones are barren half the time depending on what time of day it is

Plus atrophy would probably punish afk growing which is like half the gameplay at the minute, people don't run around a lot because they don't need to and there is no reward in doing so

herbis have to because they need food, carnivores don't

even from a survival standpoint, sitting in a bush in the same spot grants you a better chance of not being eaten than running around

and people play the game like a pvp deathmatch because that's half the content in the game

all you can do once you reach adult is nest and fight, outside of that it's just eat and chill

players wouldn't and shouldn't feel forced to make the 20 minute journey to migration for the sake of playing the game "as intended" they should actually be incentivized to do so and right now they aren't so I don't blame them

[rotund hazel]

I'll be honest, I've avoided East like the plague since the moment it became a hotspot.
I have never reached a point where I feel like I'm doing nothing and finding no other players as I travel and hunt in known stego and teno migration zones.
The Western side of the map is quite populated most of the time and those interactions are significantly more fair (as in less mixpacking, more likely to find solo players to hunt, more natural).
I understand that it's easier to sit at East. But that's not the point of a survival game. Especially when you're not often surviving very long in a place filled with nothing but deathmatch and pvp.
Honestly, even without atrophy as a lifestyle debuff, I think those who make a habit of just sitting in one place every day are going to have a rude awakening when mutations release anyway, because afk growing and mixpacking as a lifestyle likely won't lead to good mutations regardless.

[sterile shale]

well then what happens to the whole survival aspect when migration becomes a hot spot pvp deathmatch

because if there is a debuff to sitting around people are probably gonna go where the food is, which is migration and then it's the same thing over again

pvp doesn't take away from the survival aspect of the game, I sit in east plains a lot when I play herrera and it's not like there's people dropping life flies left right and centre

it's just people don't want to spend an ages walking to migration to find because they're bored when they can just fight and chill in hotspots and get a lot more player interaction

And atrophy punishing the player for stuff like afk growing does not fix the issue that until you're an adult the game just lacks engagement

it's a bandaid fix that avoids the greater issue of this game lacking stuff to do, if it's supposed to be centered around survival

maybe humans and stuff fix that idk but for now that sorta stuff just makes the menial task of growing a dino just that much more annoying

[rotund hazel]

Which is intended. People are supposed to go to migrations. They're supposed to be temporary hotspots where people go to hunt.
But that's the thing, each zone is temporary. It lasts for maximum two hours before it changes, and that's with the current, unfinished system. Eventually different species will be coming and going from each zone at different times instead of "this zone is active for everything that can go there, in two hours they will all leave and the area will be empty"

What I'm hearing is people don't want exploration and movement to be part of the game. That's just a silly mentality. The horror of having to walk to a new area and have a change of scenery.

As for "only adults can do stuff, until then you're useless" that's also silly. Sure, you can't fight adults as a juvie, but juvie fights can be just as fast paced as adult fights.
Sub adults are fantastic fighters as well, they do less damage and have to choose their targets carefully, but with extra speed and stamina a sub adult dino can be devastating.
Maybe we just have very different opinions on what's fun, but I personally enjoy the rush of hunting and being hunted when I'm young and vulnerable. There's a great sense of accomplishment when I either escape the predator or take down my prey.
You don't get that sitting afk and eating nothing but ai.
People say the isle is boring, afk growing is boring instead of taking the risk to actually move throughout your growth which increases engagement and tension 10 fold in a way existing until 100% and then deathmatching never can

[charred grove]

@echo rune Just saw your feedback suggestion on using more UE5 assets and I recalled one that I had discussed with a friend that he said was already an implemented thing in UE5, that being water displacement.
My suggestion to him was that the devs add this water displacement asset thing to the game to help create some more realistic ripples and splashes with Deinos and Beipis.
If it worked correctly, it could also be used to create flash flooding during thunderstorms or flooded lakes and rivers during storms that last longer etc.
Speaking on the other UE5 assets, I don't know what assets the engine actually has and so can't speak on anything else. Other than the waterfalls that are on the thumbnail that you posted, which would be awesome!
I would love to see something like this implemented!!

[midnight heath]

@still latch Out of curiousity why would you want your playable to 4 call when you end a sentance with "!" ?

Calls are loud and the 4 call is the help/frightened call.

[barren zephyr]

@charred grove your sugegstion about NV is getting fixed in the next QoL update, from what i have excperienced in the hordetest.

[rose pendant]

@charred grove this is already resolved in the current horde test build i believe

[native vortex]

#general-feedback message For the ppl who disagree, what’s the reason?🧐

[desert arch]

It would make groups better at killing, while nerfing solo pachy even more.

[native vortex]

How? You can still escape preds

[native vortex]

It wouldn’t nerf solo pachies tho, it would help them

[lapis swallow]

not getting a leg break on the first stun?

[native vortex]

First hit? Yes it would be more fair for carnos lol and it wouldn’t hurt the pachies soooo

[lapis swallow]

how would it not hurt the pachys if they cant get the legbreak on the first hit?

[native vortex]

In exchange the self stun would be removed? And why would a 500 kg pachy break a 2 ton Dinos leg with one attack

[lapis swallow]

image having a 20 kg hammer throwing itself against your leg

[native vortex]

What’s the speed of the hammer?

[lapis swallow]

the self stun doesnt matter. you need the bone break to make it hard for the carno to hunt you down and most of the time, if you miss your first ram, or just not get the bone break in your case, you screwed

[lapis swallow]

Enough to break your leg, look at pachys animation

[native vortex]

The self stun is literally why all pachies die, by removing it and making it so it takes more tries to break the legs, not only are u helping the pachy but making it more skill required

[desert arch]

Also, even without self stun, youll most likely still trade hits as a solo since your opponent will be facing you 99% of the time.

[lapis swallow]

how is it more skill based?

[still latch]

Well you know how the playable already makes a noise when you type, well if it is an important message dont you want it to be head turner? That was my thought

[native vortex]

With the self stun a dino can get multiple free hits tho, removing the stun would help their combat

[lapis swallow]

if a hammer that heavy rams against your leg, you should apply for a lifelong wheelchair subscribition

[desert arch]

In groups? Absolutely.
But it wouldnt help solo if it took multiple hits to break bones.

All it would achieve is make pachy a better "pack hunter"

[native vortex]

2 isn’t that many tho and pachy would still be more than playable solo

[midnight heath]

F call is pretty quiet compared to any of the 1-4 calls; I could get behind there being more diversity though for when you type for sure, using 4 however might not be the way to go given what it means.

Typically 4 calls are used when someone is in danger so that might translate weird and could be heard by not only your packmates but anyone else around that area.

[native vortex]

Isn’t pachy a herd animal anyway

[desert arch]

It should still be viable solo, no one would play it otherwise

[lapis swallow]

they hit you once, but they are bone broken now, which makes

A: their attacks to less damage

B: their stamina vanish faster than a boy on the Hannover Bahnhof in the 1920s

C: gut their turning speed, movement speed, agility and ability to do alt attacks

[tight iron]

@hasty meadow um we already have that in hordetesting

[lapis swallow]

@urban flax

[native vortex]

Why r u tagging him?

[tight iron]

eat grass and die

[still latch]

Then dont exclaim it with the symbol, I rarely use it anyway

[midnight heath]

I think most of the herbs if not all of them are fine solo for the most part, pachy's new cooldown for alts is rough though

[desert arch]

Hes the #eatgrassanddie guy haha

[native vortex]

It would still be more than viable with the changes i just named, can u tell me how it wouldn’t

[lapis swallow]

it wouldnt be able to survive encounters against carnos

[native vortex]

It can’t now either bc of its self stun which allows the carno to bite it to death? Your point is lmao

[midnight heath]

I mean if you're able to run up, break it's legs and run right away it really can't if it never saw you.

[lapis swallow]

you need AT LEAST two hits on the carno to finally get a fracture, because you arent garuanteed to hit the same spot twice, which gives carnos more than enough time to get in enough bites to murk it

[desert arch]

Not to mention, chances are you arent getting a leg fracture if the carno keeps facing you

[lapis swallow]

it can tho? fracture the carno and then you run

[native vortex]

He gets stunned for like 3 secs, if the carno got comprehension issue then yea the pachy would escape

[midnight heath]

I always end up hitting them in the head since it's a carno

[lapis swallow]

its more like 1-1.5 seconds

[midnight heath]

3 seconds would be insane

[native vortex]

Just fracture it twice u won’t die, also you can escape carnos by doing zig zags lol, breaking his leg isn’t that necessary

[midnight heath]

I don't think pachy should be messing with FG carnos, not everything is meant to fight everything.

[native vortex]

Which is a ton in isle combat?? That’s literally enough time to get Atleast 2-3 hits

[lapis swallow]

how would you fracture it twice if you need atleast 4 rams to get fractures

thats more than enough for carnos to kill a pachy

[desert arch]

With carnos attack speed? 1 at most, 2 if youre stuck in their face

[native vortex]

Whut? Ram it’s leg twice for its leg fracture

[desert arch]

A carno that is actively attacking you wont give you their leg tho

[native vortex]

One before it lands and then another one

[lapis swallow]

I forgot that carnos just stand there waiting to have their walking privileges revoked by pachys, how could it

[native vortex]

And then the third one when the pachy turns to run

[lapis swallow]

so 1 hits before it lands?

[native vortex]

When it slides ram it?

[native vortex]

While it’s raming

[lapis swallow]

so it would take pachys health to half before it gets one fracture?

[midnight heath]

Is there a popular PVP-esc server for practicing currently for Gateway?

[desert arch]

If its drifting in pachy ram range thats a skill issue on the carnos part. It has every tool to keep proper distance

[native vortex]

Wdym before it gets one fracture

[native vortex]

Ok then how do u hit carnos with a ram?

[desert arch]

Zooming islander gives free grows from time to time, pure chaos

[native vortex]

It’s a horrible server

[desert arch]

You have to trade, no other way pretty much

[midnight heath]

I'll have to keep it in mind, I feel like that hope for a sandbox server like in Legacy is likely not happening.

[lapis swallow]

if it needs to get 2 hits on a singular spot to get a fracture with pachy on a carno and the carno hits everytime before you ram, thats half your health gone

[midnight heath]

Since they don't want that PVP vibe as much in the game

[desert arch]

Yeah I dont liek it either, its just mixpacking. Not many alternatives tho :/

[native vortex]

Yes play on Norden free admin server, you can have free growths and 1v1 ppl without interruptions

[midnight heath]

Do they have that for Gateway? I played it on Spiro.

[native vortex]

They do

[desert arch]

Yep, norden has 2 servers now

[midnight heath]

That's pretty much what I was after

[desert arch]

1 EU and 1 NA

[midnight heath]

I think it'll be really nice for when sparring is out

[native vortex]

Aight ima send u an invite to the server so that u can get ur admin

[midnight heath]

No thanks, I know the server but thank you.

[native vortex]

Alr

[midnight heath]

There was some kid in here a long while back that was a mean cera

A mean raptor too, good practice for sure.

[native vortex]

That’s why the stun needs to get removed, also u can just head fracture it so it won’t see u coming

[midnight heath]

@elder bolt The horde-test has an unstuck feature, hopefully it'll be rolled out sooner rather than later and getting stuck won't be as much as an issue.

[lapis swallow]

or just keep it

[native vortex]

Leg fracture=2 hits and head one is enough

[lapis swallow]

its fine, pachys get fracture, a bit of endlag and then they escape

[lapis swallow]

this would make carnos so much less careful

[native vortex]

It can also escape using the zig zag method, escaping carnos isn’t that hard

[lapis swallow]

then why nerf pachy unnecessarily

[midnight heath]

That alt cooldown was basically a nerf which it didn't need

[native vortex]

More like adjustment and I also said that it’s selfstun needs to get removed which is it’s biggest issue rn

[native vortex]

I’m also saying that it needs to get buffed

[midnight heath]

If they buffed pachy people would throw such a fit

[lapis swallow]

it bonks with a lot of force and hits something, thats reasonable

also, pachy without endlag would be bonkers

[desert arch]

Lmao, nice one

[radiant nest]

Heh.

[native vortex]

Yh but I’m saying that he also needs a nerf tho

[lapis swallow]

imagine something chasing you that can fracture you, catapult itself forward with its attack AND not have endlag on that very attack

[midnight heath]

I don't think pachy needs a nerf, I think it's underwhelming but works as is, the new cooldown makes it rough for raptor packs though which a single raptor can already bleed a pachy in one pounce anyway.

Remove it's weird alt cooldown and I think it's fine.

[native vortex]

All other playables don’t have endlag tho

[lapis swallow]

can the other creatures fracture?

[native vortex]

Raptors can pin and one tap without anything to fear

[lapis swallow]

fractures are much worse if their attacks doesnt have some endlag

image rogue pachys going after tenos

[midnight heath]

As much as I disagree with you Jxmper on a lot of things, I do think specific pins are very stupid on omni.

[native vortex]

Getting one tapped is a bit worse eh?

[lapis swallow]

yeh

[midnight heath]

Which makes me really worried about the new pin mechanic

No counterplay seems not great

[lapis swallow]

imagine getting chased down by pachys while being unable to punish their failed attacks

imagine being a teno that gets spotted by two pachys

[native vortex]

Yea i suggested that raptors shouldn’t pin and one tap things as gallis but literally everyone in the server downvoted me

[lapis swallow]

you cant do ANYTHING against that

[native vortex]

I said if a pachy successfully lands a hit it shouldn’t get stunned, but if it misses then yeah

[midnight heath]

I saw, I didn't vote on it.

I have the same issue for deino, I just don't like the idea of pins and not being able to do anything.

Babies that are a fraction of their size? I guess, but something nearly the same weight as the omni is rough.

[lapis swallow]

would still be pretty strong

[midnight heath]

Even troo fights a little, if you pin a troo with another troo the troo who is pinning receives a little bleed.

[lapis swallow]

positioning affecting the pin effectiveness would be nice

[native vortex]

How? Just dodge it pachies don’t have that good of a turn radius and keep your distance if you see their heads go up

[midnight heath]

Genuinely anything that makes it not an instant death would be nice, half the time it's not the pin that kills me but the fact omni has insane bleed.

I'll just crawl away and die in a bush

[lapis swallow]

so nothing changes except pachys dont have the endlag on a successfull attack?

and they can chain those

[native vortex]

Ye which is fair

[lapis swallow]

It could fully fracture something in the span of like 5 seconds

[native vortex]

With the new pounce to pin raptors will be no joke lol

[native vortex]

Dodge it attacks

If u can’t that’s ur fault

[midnight heath]

I've heard a back and forth that something either needs to be really weak or low on stamina for it to work; either way I'm not fond that two omni can pin a diablo.

Raptors were broken once before and I'm rightfully worried

[lapis swallow]

it hits you once, which would be a big deal now. BUT it does not need to retreat to get a new angle because in the time you have turned to face it, it just bonks you again

[lapis swallow]

i hope its reserved for finishing off low on blood, low on stam prey

[native vortex]

It does have to go back and do a charge again?

[lapis swallow]

it can do that much quicker without the endlag

[native vortex]

So remove the endstun when u land a successful ram, there are still ways to avoid it

[midnight heath]

Blood honestly isn't even one I thought about, I doubt it would be though since things like cera don't bleed a lot. I'm sure we'll know though soon enough how it works.

It being a finisher though would be ideal, not something used when said prey has just a little under half stam

[lapis swallow]

get on a server and time how long it needs to charge a ram and the animation for the ram attack, not the endlag takes. Thats how fast it can ram you again

[native vortex]

Which is not that fast? Your point is

[lapis swallow]

thats like 1-1,5 seconds to charge the ram and the animation which is hella fast. I think that 2 ram hits in 3 seconds are possible

[native vortex]

Running back up takes time and not to mention the ram itself has a cool-down so your point is still invalid

[lapis swallow]

bruh, I forgot that

[native vortex]

Ah

[lapis swallow]

Still stand to my point that pachy not having endlag on sucessfull attacks would be op

same how I hate omni not having endlag on missed pounces

[native vortex]

No since you have more than enough time to dodge and attack

[lapis swallow]

I think we arent getting on the same stance here

[native vortex]

Yea, we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree

[barren crater]

That's more of a fracture issue tbf

Fractures rn are overkill

[native vortex]

That’s missed pounces tho

[lapis swallow]

yeah, and you should get punished for missing pounces

[native vortex]

In an 1v1 not really, but it has a pretty strong after effect

[native vortex]

Yea but pachy gets punished either way

[lapis swallow]

hitting a pounce is not as impactful as hitting a ram

[barren crater]

Nah it's overtuned. Fractures were meant to be a tool for pachy to run away from stuff like carno, but rn it's more of a tool to kill them.

I'd much rather pachy have little to no end lag and deal more damage, while fractures end up being changed and tuned down in some cases

[native vortex]

Yea that’s what I said

[native vortex]

On my feedback

[barren crater]

Where is it?

am I blind

[native vortex]

.

[lapis swallow]

its not there

[native vortex]

To sum it up I basically said that pachies shouldn’t have self stun if they land a successful ram and that it should take more hits to make a fracture

[native vortex]

Wth

[lapis swallow]

I cant see it

[native vortex]

Me neither

Bruvvvv

[radiant nest]

Probably got removed for one reason or another

I’d ask a senior admin about it

[native vortex]

Got the summary of it anyway

Aight so where were we?

[barren crater]

I personally want the stuns to be removed, but Pachy's need an immediate result from landing a hit.

[native vortex]

On things like ceras yes, imo carnos should be able to take 2 max

[barren crater]

2 hits? That's asking for a lot when Pachy dies in 3

Sometimes it registers as a body hit as well

[native vortex]

On the second ram the carno breaks it’s leg, if you can land one hit why not a second one

[barren crater]

Because after the first hit, the carno can quite literally protect its leg by facing you

[native vortex]

Then give it a head fracture and blind it, it will be easier to hit it’s leg

[native vortex]

Why are you even hunting carnos as a pachy anyway

[barren crater]

That's the best scenario? What happens when the carno is the one hunting you? Good luck ever getting 2 leg hits

[native vortex]

If the carno is hunting u just escape using the zig zag method

[jovial hazel]

😂

Just zig zag.

[native vortex]

Are you mocking me

[native vortex]

Watch yourself

[barren crater]

So the carno can snipe me due to terrible isle latency? I'd rather just the old reliable fracture and run

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/zigzagoon-pokemon-running-gif-4924195

[barren crater]

Why not just play dryo if I want to zig zag?

[native vortex]

Zig zagging is still very possible and you know it, sure you will prob be orange lmao but u will still survive

[native vortex]

Turn more often then, it will create a pretty big distance between u and the carno

[barren crater]

What's wrong with pachy hitting the carno once to get a leg fracture? Other than the debuffs being overtuned? Why not just tune down the penalties?

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, the breaks are definitely too much. Definitely need scaling breaks.

Shouldn't just be instantly full debuff.. but gradual, depending on damage to that location.

[native vortex]

So u agree with me? Rare W

[jovial hazel]

I thought they were doing that, actually.

[barren crater]

Yeah, but that was in 2021. Haven't heard a word since. Maybe they said something in a stream though? idk

[native vortex]

Hmmm wbt making it so that it only works when max charging, so u can’t pull those quick rams

[jovial hazel]

They already have the system in place with the wounded debuff. Same concept, but for blunt damage to that location with an escalating debuff.

I think it already works by size, like you can't just quick bonk a carno and break it first try.

[barren crater]

A bit of a wall, but I had a fracture rework idea (which was pretty much a combination of others ideas lol)

Fracture Rework

Head fracture : Make it so the blinding effect only really applies to those who are running, so those standing animals can fight back, Maybe the effect could be worse while running?
Reduce the damage reduction to 25% from 50% Also disable special attacks like Carno charge for example.

Body fracture: Reduce the stamina penalty to 2x (from the previous 3x) and add an additional effect where agility is greatly reduced. So for example, Pachy can body fracture a Carno and
out turn it confidently.

Leg fracture: Possibly allow creatures to alt attack when leg fractured and make the movement penalty a 25 - 30% reduction in speed (30% can be for carno, maybe make it so stuff like teno / cera don't lose too much speed) instead of the current 50%

Then you could actually buff Pachy outside of the fractures to make it a better brawler vs same size

Pretty much defence is still pretty much intact, while fractures ruin those who try to chase down the pachy

[lapis swallow]

can you put this in balance feedback please

[barren crater]

I need to tweak it a bit lol but sure. I need to talk about pachy's other buffs in place of those changes

[native vortex]

Didn’t read allat but I agree💯

[barren crater]

I also wanted it to where at minimum, a stego couldn't catch you in a pachy mixherd lol

[native vortex]

You will get downvoted by everyone lol, no one wants pachy to get buffed

[jovial hazel]

I didn't realize body break was 3x stam.. no wonder it's so damn rough.

That's not really a pachy buff.

[barren crater]

^ More of a rework if anything. If fractures are tuned down, then pachy can get back some of its power

[barren crater]

Used to be 2x, then update 6 dropped and it was hell since

[radiant nest]

@north quiver just curious on why you downvoted my recent feedback. would love some constructive criticism!

[north quiver]

I only have problems with 1 and 2. 3 is fine

1 feels like it can be abused. with no cost for vomitting on bodies, I feel like it can easily be abused by people who just want to vomit on someone’s hard earned kill to rot it faster with no downside to possible griefing (regardless of how small it is, where it’d likely give little to nothing to the cera). adjusting the nutrient vs hunger loss or even allowing cera to overeat to gain nutrients would be better to look at imo instead of outright removing nutrient loss

2 feels like it’d take away some level of skill regarding timing for an arguably strong attack

3, again, is fine

[midnight heath]

It loses alot of it's nutrients and hunger currently when throwing up, it's not a little amount.

I genuinely don't see a reason to use it as it is right now.

[north quiver]

adjusting the loss is an option

but not outright removing an important cost to consideration lol

[radiant nest]

For your point on 1, it would still have both food and water loss. the only point is that the current system discourages you from ever vomiting, as it makes diets incredibly hard to sustain for the rest of that cera's life, even with plenty of food (i speak from experience). For 2, I guess that's fair, although I think it was said to be planned to be changed like that on a dev stream. I also think it would make it far less clunky to use while also keeping cera as a primarily defensive playable, as it essentially needs to sit and wait for something to get close, and then swiftly punishing it.

[midnight heath]

The charge bite was the only thing you said that I somewhat didn't vibe with but it's cera, you can outrun it so I don't see the massive issue I guess.

[radiant nest]

to be fair you could always reduce its damage or increase the ramp-up time

[north quiver]

I’m not sure reducing the damage would be a good idea for matchups like it vs things it can’t outrun (carno)

but maybe I’m wrong on that part lol

[radiant nest]

it probably wouldnt be great, but if those charged bite tweaks end up being too oppressive in offensive combat then those parts can help balance it out

[sterile shale]

I mean the really low stam and weak thing makes sense, altough 1 omnis to pin a diablo does seem a bit strange

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @midnight heath I think it'd also be nice if they could move while clinging, sorta like herrera

so they can climb clifs and stuff to get a better take off, or climb up trees to rest on them

[dry falcon]

@echo rune FluidFlux is not replicated so you wont see the splashes on different clients, the only thing replicated is the stuff interacting with it iirc

Plus flux is quite pricey

[midnight heath]

I completely agree, with herrera's climbing mechanic in place already I'd love to see PT get a climb of any sort to replace it's cling. We can dream.

[sterile shale]

I mean the biggest issue with ptera is regenning stam, and most players don't/shouldn't have to sit on the ground to regen stam, it would make far more sense for ptera to be able to climb trees and cliffs and regen stam that way

and trying to land on a tree branch as a ptera rn costs more time and stam then just sitting on the floor lmao

[midnight heath]

It's so vulnerable on the ground, the sheer amount of time and stam it takes to take off really makes it harder. Plus now that the trees have eyes it really feels like the little thing can't catch a break really.

[hardy wyvern]

@crystal trail is rain gonna keep are water level neutral like it did in the old version or is that never coming back ??

[tight iron]

pretty sure it got removed because there were literal pachy armies killing everything without any punishment

like im not even kidding that was completely bonkers

[native vortex]

He does get punished if he misses it’s ram, I don’t think the stun should be that long when he successfully hits or at all

[tight iron]

it definetely should

the amount of terrorism pachies did

imagine a pachy being able to solo a carno again without taking a single hit

[native vortex]

Look at my feedback, i think pachies should be able to hit a carno once without breaking its leg, twice and it’s over

[tight iron]

im not commenting on your feedback

im just saying why stunning the carno got removed

[native vortex]

Oh alr

[tight iron]

(murdur)

[native vortex]

@barren zephyr #general-feedback message, Why should raptor be able to do that?

[limber hull]

(it technically does it in the concept art)

[native vortex]

Ik but concept art is concept art, it’s not like everyone can do what they did on their art

[limber hull]

they have mentioned omni climbing as a thing they wanna do, albeit not to the extent of herrera

[native vortex]

Do you think it should climb and if so what type of trees

[native vortex]

Yh but the guy also said that they should drop out of trees to deal damadge (basically Herrera’s ability) more ppl would start choosing omnis over herrera’s

[limber hull]

yea nah that's bad

[tight iron]

he didnt say that

he said that he thinks raptors should be able to climb a bit to try and catch herreras and then drop down without dealing any damage

and that if the raptor stays too long he falls and gets stunned

[native vortex]

He said they should drop down a bit onto Herrera’s or smt

[tight iron]

no sir

[native vortex]

Why do u even want raptors climbing lol, they are already op as it is

[tight iron]

when did i say i wanted them to climb

[native vortex]

U upvoted it

[tight iron]

can climb and immediately drop from them

[tight iron]

(just like grizzlies trying to get a brown bear ig)

[native vortex]

It was 7 before and I checked it lol

Stop tryna gaslight me Lmaooo

[tight iron]

ye i had upvoted it and then realized i upvoted the wrong thing

so i removed my vote 👍

[native vortex]

To create momentum and damadge Herrera’s what could that possible mean

[native vortex]

Downvote it