general-feedback-discussion

[bold mason]

naking itt unappealing and impossible are far different

[radiant nest]

THIS GAME IS BASED ON FREEDOM 🦅🦅🦅🔥🔥🔥

[tight iron]

see below and let me see if i can find what dondi said (for some reason i find it hard to filter his messages)

[bold mason]

unappealing means its still an option

[proud coral]

Well yeah you're never gonna put a hard stop to it 😛 But the point is that they don't like it and want to discourage it for officials of course, unofficials can do whatever

[bold mason]

and they also give us the choice doesnt matter if they like it

again i dont do it much but imo mixpacker complainers are just qqing bc they lost a game.... move on

[tight iron]

alr you genuinely cant do "from: Don"

[proud coral]

I mean considering problematic mix-packing isn't intended and even the creators of the game are trying to combat it because of that, I'd say it's pretty fair to be upset about it. Like sure, it's possible because of the nature of the game allowing that kind of freedom, but that doesn't make it good 😛

Like spawn camping in other games (and I guess Isle as well). You can do it, you have every bit of freedom to. But it sucks and is generally frowned upon. Kinda similar with Isle here

[tight iron]

it is more than fair to be upset about it

[bold mason]

sucks for the losing player

[tight iron]

like sure get good but wtf is a cera gonna do against 2 carnos and a pachy

there is no get good in that equation it is just die miserably

[bold mason]

run or get a friend or die and like it

[tight iron]

how are you gonna run away from things faster than you

[bold mason]

doesnt mean others shouldnt be able to mix if they want to

[tight iron]

they can

[bold mason]

dying is an option

[tight iron]

it's not the best option

but since mixpacking is just the most dirty way of playing no wonder many people kill any mixpacker on sight

[bold mason]

thats the point is u cant do much vs the mix thats why they do it

[tight iron]

im aware

[bold mason]

so stay away or u do it to or die and like it

[minor field]

Yeah and they’re justified in doing it and people who mixpack just kinda ruin the fun for everyone involved (when they’re being ridiculously aggressive ofc)

[bold mason]

exactly mix packers have to deal with mix pack haters

[tight iron]

if you dont wanna deal with mixpack haters just dont mixpack

[bold mason]

agreed

[tight iron]

i mean... pretty much yes

[minor field]

I think it’s fully justified unless they’re literally not bothering anyone

[proud coral]

Not surprising that exploiting things get you hate

[bold mason]

im just saying i dont get mad about them bc its 100% part of the game and people need to deal with it

[tight iron]

depends on the way you respond to them

if you insult them you ain't any better than them

[minor field]

I think it’s fair to be a bit upset about losing a bunch of progress through no fault of your own

[tight iron]

if you kill them you're doing a gret service to the game

[minor field]

Yeah ofc

[tight iron]

so the way to respond to that is by ambushing and killing them that's pretty much it

[minor field]

Going after people and personally attacking them over a game is a bit silly

[tight iron]

it really is

[bold mason]

its ur fault for getting too close to the mixpack

[tight iron]

did u know that you dont have a radar

[bold mason]

look at it that way, dont blame them for ur lost time

[tight iron]

u actually dont know if ppl are close to u or not

[proud coral]

I'm definitely gonna blame them for exploiting

[bold mason]

again, just amusing to me the level of qq here

[minor field]

I mean, you don’t always know where they are and also also sometimes you can just, get spotted by them as certain things that can’t run away and your only option is “guess I die”

[tight iron]

👍

[proud coral]

I remember the days we had the cool orange scent cloud for things like mega/mixed packs.
Now it's just a lame red icon

wasn't cool for frames though

[bold mason]

gritty hardcore survival game things

[tight iron]

huh

last time i checked the red icon shows people bleeding not megapacking or mixpacking

[proud coral]

Back when scent used VFX and actually looked interesting. Mixed/mega packs would create a large orange cloud, but now it's indicated by the red 3 raptors icon on the scent compass.

[bold mason]

there is a scent icon thats red for packs

[tight iron]

huh

[midnight heath]

If a pachy breaks your legs you're not outrunning a steg, I'm not sure how you survive that situation.

[tight iron]

it must work horribly then ive never seen it

[bold mason]

works perfectly

have to smell for like 3 seconds

[tight iron]

only thing ive seen is an icon that tells me who's bleeding

never tells me where mixpacks or megapacks are

[proud coral]

There is no icon for that though I mean there's blood pools on the ground, but no icon.

[bold mason]

raptor icon on scent is a pack

[tight iron]

then why does that icon literally direct me to people who are bleeding 😭

[proud coral]

What does it look like

[tight iron]

not even kidding the amount of times ive found badly injured carnos alone in the jungle cause of that

a single red dino

[bold mason]

it doesnt lmfao

[tight iron]

just like you're describing it

[proud coral]

The icon I'm referring to is a picture of 3 raptors standing together colored red. There's no single red dino icon.

[tight iron]

i am too confused right now

[bold mason]

it has nothing to do with blood and will never lead u to a solo

[tight iron]

ive never seen that symbol

[proud coral]

[vagrant hedge]

dont be near them? not like packys or stegs are fast. if your in a group, and a packy chases you, the steg isnt keeping up, kill the packy, they dont have much health

[tight iron]

im guessing it was extreme coincidence or smth

[minor field]

Idk I just think you should die through nothing but your own mistakes and well, a bunch of people running the map as a giant organized mixpack isn’t really something in your control.

[tight iron]

^^

[bold mason]

thats not the way survival games work

[minor field]

That kinda is? Your survival is sorta depended on your capabilities and agency is it not?

[bold mason]

ur suppose to take any advantage and opportunity possible to increase ur chanses of survival, sometimes at the risk of others life through no fault of their own

its called getting taken advantage of and it happens in living nature all the time

[tight iron]

ive never seen wolves and boars becoming a massive pack to kill bears

[bold mason]

this is a game and it doesnt matter weather u have seen it

[vagrant hedge]

ya, its just a thought, i didnt realize the devs thought of it lol. but ya, it can be exploited, just like everything else, its just a thought though. the other thing i would do, especially with rex coming in as ai. is have rex just wandering the map, and slowly wander towards groups, larger the group value, larger the attraction. then have dinos have a value, like a pack of 12 troodons, wouldnt have the same attraction compared to a pack of 12 carnos. this in itself would help a bit against mixpacking, and against area clustering.

[tight iron]

it is supposed to replicate nature so that's why ppl hate mixpacking

[bold mason]

says who?

[tight iron]

you're playing to simulate nature and then 8 goobers who are supposed to be natural enemies decide to goof off and kill the whole map 3 times

[tight iron]

the entire dev team and over half the community

[radiant comet]

are a lot of lag on horde testing eu

[minor field]

This isn’t even about their own survival though, these people do this to improve their own chances of wiping out a server which.

[vagrant hedge]

8 goobers mixing cant take on the map.... unless everyone else is solo and unskilled

[tight iron]

im not saying that they in fact take on the whole map im exaggerating it

[bold mason]

this is a fierce open world surival game, says nothing about how this is suppose to be a real life sim

[vagrant hedge]

the games focus, isnt combat. if a large mixpack, say 2 stegs, 2 packys, 4 carnos are running. they arent that hard to avoid....

[tight iron]

it is the purpose of the game

to replicate nature a hundred million years ago

[bold mason]

says who

[tight iron]

the entire dev team and over half the community

[bold mason]

the purpose of the game is to have fun and kill other players and survive

[minor field]

They run the map and kill everything that can’t fight back, which usually consists of solo people and solos are pretty common. The only things I can think of that are able to avoid them are ptera, deino, and maybe Herrera and the tiniest small tiers.

[vagrant hedge]

or anyone that sits in a bush

[minor field]

Okay im just gonna say you’re plain wrong with that. Just entirely wrong

[tight iron]

tryna get at least one screenshot

[minor field]

Yeah the counterplay to mixpacks as some creatures is to just, not play the game which is awful

[vagrant hedge]

a pack of 4-5 carnos would probably die to that mix pack, but not without killing a few

[bold mason]

if this was suppose to be a real life replicater there would be things in the game that stops u from doing real life things highly doubt u can find a dev message saying we are suppose to act like real dinos....

[vagrant hedge]

@minor field or.... go to a different place on the gigantic map

[bold mason]

in fact they make it 100% obvious that you can do whatever the hell you want, including mixpacking in the worst way

[minor field]

Yeah this game isn’t meant to be fully realistic or accurate

The goal is to nudge players to play semi realistically I think but yeah this isn’t a simulation at all

[bold mason]

fact of the matter is there is nothing in the game stopping you from doing it and there is no rule against it on official servers so dont get mad about it

[vagrant hedge]

facts

[proud coral]

I don't see what's so bad about peeps getting upset about others exploiting stuff in a way even the developers are trying to discourage. Like yeah you can do it, doesn't make it okay

[minor field]

I mean not everything can exist and thrive on every part of the map, like herbis who have their migration zone occupied by a giant mixpack are just kinda screwed

[swift stone]

Please make the isle in console like ps5 I can’t afford pc I’m pooor

[bold mason]

in your opinion they are trying to discourage it, there is NOTHING in the game currently atm, they could also very simply have rules against it but they dont

[minor field]

Not to mention carnivores who’s prey just ceases to exist and their fate is left to ai which depending on what you play might not be enough

[proud coral]

There's no plans for console, at least not for ages sadly.

[vagrant hedge]

migrations are quite large, and unless there was a server restart, there is still food at the older migration

[swift stone]

Oh

[proud coral]

I literally gave an example of a dev talking about how they're trying to discourage it, that's not really my opinion

[vagrant hedge]

ive seen packs of like 15 tenos, no mix pack is gonna mess with 15 tenos and get away unscathed

[bold mason]

they said they "may" put area debuffs, which also means u still are allowed to do it

so I have no clue how u comprehended that devs message but u did so incorrectly.

[proud coral]

I mean if you wanna think of it that way 🤷

[bold mason]

all area debuffs do is balance mixpacking and promote it more lol

[vagrant hedge]

i would also, alter ai spawn rates. everytime ai is killed, it slows the spawnrate in that area. if too many dinos are in the area, they will starve

[minor field]

Yes I’d quite like that, would help solo players out more which is mainly why I dislike mixpacking so much because it screws over solo players so hard

[proud coral]

Kinda makes sense as well I like the idea of AI reacting to players more dynamically like that.

[minor field]

I just want more things in game that help solo players cause man this game really discourages playing on your own

[vagrant hedge]

thats the thing right, lil mechanics like that, when combined, will eventually cut down on mixpacking, if mixpacking becomes more of a negative to do, ppl wont do it

[bold mason]

nothing wrong with that, but still gotta deal with mixpacking and a nature of the game

[vagrant hedge]

ppl mix pack for 1 of 2 reasons, play with friends, and enhance your chance of surivial. so, friends is fine, so attack the survival end, just need to be creative and smarter minds than mind to find those solutions

[minor field]

I’d say there’s a bit more than just that and another reason I think mixpacking occurs is to fill the void of gameplay with a ton of combat and making said combat and easy and efficient as possible by mixpacking

[vagrant hedge]

i would also put pack buffs in, if you have a pack of raptors, a tiny buff, for them all, you can set roles, such as the alpha and stuff in them maybe, add little things, to encourage ppl to play within their species

[midnight heath]

I think that's an awful argument, "don't be near them" isn't really a great response, it's an easy one sure but a really not thought out one.

Ambushing if very much a thing, the whole point is so that you can't avoid "not being near them." It again just sounds like a really bad argument that doesn't have any actual reason. Mixing to that extent is absolutely unfair and unbalanced, it does ruin the experience for a lot of players and if it didn't people wouldn't complain about it. Agree to disagree.

@teal osprey If it makes it any better, the horde-testing does have an unstuck feature that works and hopefully getting stuck in rocks will be a thing of the past.

[vagrant hedge]

years ago, i was in a management course. for human behavior in a work environment, and how to improve it. so you have a community. so if you have like the bottom 10% of the community/players as trolls and negative, playing poorly. and you have the top 10% playing well, and positively, then everyone else between. most of the time, the focus is on the bottom 10%, put in counter measures, and punishments, to try to stop the behavior. and some of that is needed, removing the bottom 10% doesnt solve anything, because it will just refill. but instead, focusing on the top 10%, and encouraging, and rewarding. tends to cause the entire community to drive upwards, reducing the bottom 10%

[bold mason]

by playing solo you already are signing up for the chance that you may get stalked and ambushed by a mixpack. No reason to cry about it about it being unbalanced its part of the game at the moment until changes are made, gotta deal with it... nobody likes getting ganged up on but everyone is on both sides of the coin eventually at one time or another

[vagrant hedge]

@midnight heath idk, avoiding is a good argument.... combat, is more of a last resort thing, unless your a predator. the idea of hiding, being stealthy, avoiding dangerous areas, playing smart. is kinda the entire concept of herbie survival. like, if im a solo packy, i will avoid a mixpack, i will avoid a pack of carnos, i will avoid a pack of ceras. for my survival. thats gameplay. the predatory group, it being mixpacking, or just a pack of carnivores, doesnt really matter. 1 dino, wants to survive against a pack of other dinos. dont make noise, use bushes, use scent, hide, run.

[midnight heath]

If a bit mixed group is hovering in a migration zone that I need to be in I just have to log out then because that's fair, right? That's the correct way to play? I just avoid playing the game and in turn avoid them? Sounds really fun.

Also being stealthy in a literal plains setting is easier said than done.

[vagrant hedge]

what does it being a mix pack have to do with it?

10 carnos hovering in migration zone, so thats "fair"

[midnight heath]

Because my overall argument was mixing ruins the experience for players and is unfair.

[bold mason]

its only unfair because you chose to put yourself in that situation of being solo and not wanting to avoid

[vagrant hedge]

your missing the point, a group of dinos, mixpack or not, is a threat.

the fact its a mix pack, has nothing to do with it

[midnight heath]

I don't get a choice if it's migration and I want my diet, not everything needs a group either. I shouldn't be punished for playing solo because people run mega mixpacks.

[bold mason]

bro thats the point is thats your CHOICE you CAN lose ur diet and live but you CHOSE not to and be stubbern and play solo

[vagrant hedge]

when im in a pack of carnivores. even as a pure pack, we hunt and stalk migrations....

[midnight heath]

You in a lot of cases can fight off groups of predators, the balancing of the playables allow for that. What it doesn't allow for is mixed carnivores.

[bold mason]

then complain when players take advatage of you in a game where killing is survival...

[midnight heath]

A teno can kill 4 ceras just fine on it's own, it's able to via it's kit. A teno fighting 4 ceras and 3 raptors isn't fair.

[vagrant hedge]

depending on skill....

a good cera, can kill a teno

[midnight heath]

This is a pointless argument.

Agree to disagree

[vagrant hedge]

whatever, i just dont see the difference, if its 4 ceras 3 raptors, or 7 ceras, or 7 raptors. 🙄

[midnight heath]

Clearly

[bold mason]

i love skill based games

[vagrant hedge]

people with no skill complain alot?

[bold mason]

yep and the skilled players get the laugh while no changes are made

[wooden agate]

@rose pendant the hallucinations are meant to represent the venom working its damage, it wouldn't make much sense for them to do no damage, and infact id argue the damage they have right now is fine. whats needed right now is rebalancing of the hallucinations (i.e making them work as intended, in which you can fight them to make them disappear without having to trade hits) and some more interactivity with venom application

[wooden agate]

no, the devs have stated before that realism is not the ultimate goal. we're literally getting mutant dinosaurs, mutant humans, concious AI, etc lol

[rose pendant]

Yeah no damage would not make sense and I dont really have faith that they can get them functioning well enough and being interactive enough that 100% of your normal damage is balanced

id say drop damage in the interim and increase it as you manage to resolve those issues

[proud coral]

I do like the ideas of having the charges only recharge if you bite your target and the hallucinations dealing less damage + being more obvious (such as slightly faded) in the day time. C:

[tight iron]

yus

[vagrant hedge]

its a nice twist on the traditional DoT damage system. its a pain in the ass though, for sure, the vision impairment/scent block is brutal enough, but the ideal of hallucinations, replacing, DoT damage is a nice touch. id love to see some other forms of poison and envenoming as well though, something that gives you double blurry trailed vision, stamina drains, convulsions, maybe a twist on hallucinations that make all dinos look like the one that bit you.

but then, also have, some speciers, resistant to different poisons too

like for example, if a Carno, was designed to feed on and hunt dilos, to poison a carno would take like 6 hits instead of the 3.

[gusty basalt]

Help I'm in an oyo please someone help me my animal is an adult I'm in SA1

[dry tinsel]

hello simpletons :) how are we all

[bold mason]

Megalodon AI for salt water sounds good for deinos lol

[barren zephyr]

No

[worn kraken]

Genuine question about tracking: why when I’m tracking something most of the times (say at least 70%) at some point the tracks don’t provide the direction anymore despite being extremely fresh (10-15 seconds max)? In that way most of the times I completely lose tracks and prey. Is this a bug or is it supposed to be like that?

[jovial hazel]

If it doesn't show a direction it means they haven't made another set of tracks yet so you are pretty close to them. They could still be moving and just haven't ran far enough to make another set, or they could be hiding nearby.

The direction is always pointing you to the next set of tracks, pretty much.

[cyan flame]

Of course the game is balanced. Being balanced for survival, not deathmatch. But balanced none the less. Otherwise we might as well just put random stats and just make things up as we go along. And mixing ruins the balance of survival, because it presents you with a situation where what works against one target, doesn't work against the other, and thus, you're now more or less out of options. Whereas if it was just one large pack of the same thing, while attrition is a thing of course, you can apply the given ability to defend yourself to everyone in the encounter. If youu're faster than cera, you can run away from them, no matter how many they are unless they managed to surround you entirely. If some of them are carnos, and you would normally fight the carno, you now can't do either. You fight, the ceras kill you, you run, the carnos run you down. And that's how mixing ruins the balance, by removing your ability to survive, due to the opposition covering each others weaknesses that they are meant to have.

I was not hostile at all. I was simply pointing out how mixing works, nothing more or less. and I did point out that using realism to argue is a bad idea, we don't really want the game to be too realistic, since that can and will take away the fun. It's not a dino rp game, hence we don't have to make it too realistic if it hurts gameplay, which mixing does. And yes, some animals do mix irl, that's not really relevant as an argument to how it effects things in game or if that effect leads to fun or not. Simple as that.

[vagrant hedge]

are you saying, if you are a solo or duo, packys, and you run across 4 ceras and 4 carnos you stand less of a chance than if you run into 8 carnos?

the game is more skill based, some abilities favor some playstyles, but 1 on 1, ive seen dilos come out on top, ive seen carnos, ceras, packys, tenos. raptors all come out on top too

[cyan flame]

If you run across only eight ceras, then you stand a better chance than if they were four ceras and four carnos. And in some ways you might be able to stand a slightly better chance if they were only eight carnos too, since you "only" have to worry about their stats, and not worry that if you're trying to break the carnos leg to run away, the cerato can just go for you while you attempt to line up your ram.

Of course, if you're solo or duo, even if there were only two or three carnos, you're probably in severe trouble no matter what, much less with that difference in numbers, but that should be obvious. But if there were two ceras and one carno, that'd be worse than if there were four ceras. And having only two carnos to deal with, might be doable, if there's also a cera, then you need to take that into account for your attempts to break the carnos so you can disengage.

If you wanted a better comparison, you'd have far more even numbers, in this case if we're using massive numbers of carnos or ceras, then I'd argue there should be twice as many pachies, to see how the engagement would go. And at that point, quite honestly, it'd probably devolve into just free for all and lots of friendly fire.

[vagrant hedge]

most mix packs are pretty small, 2-4 man packs. mixing at that scale vs another 2-4 man pack, isnt a big deal.

[cyan flame]

Sure, there's some skill involved here and there, but stats determine a lot, and no amount of skill can adjust for well, obvious stat things like how far you can fall before you die and other stuff like that. And the entire point of mixing is to cover for the various drawbacks you have, which is why it relates to balance. Not sure how a player being skilled or not really changes how things work.

[cyan flame]

It's still very noticable, if you mix with the right species, which is the point. How it ruins balance by just being able to ignore your own weaknesses in a way that isn't neccesarily intended, much less fun.

If you're designed to run from one target, and fight the other, and they work together, then now you can neither run, nor fight half as effectively. You stand your ground, the thing you're meant to run from fights you, you run, the thing you're meant to fight just gets free openings on you.

[vagrant hedge]

carno has a weakness of turning, 2 carnos can solve that. regardless of mixing

[cyan flame]

They can, but not as effectively, depending on what they're mixing with. Numbers do help, to more or less degree, but that's still not the same. And it's just one example of a weakness, there are and could be others.

No matter how you look at it, mixing does offer the advantage of being able to cover your own weakness via something else that you're now forced to also deal with. And that's how it messes up the balance. And since the game is balanced for survival, you get these sort of issues where you'e meant to do one thing but can't because you're also meant to do another, and you can't do both at the same time.

[vagrant hedge]

you use your strengths and weakness to your advantage. regardless of mixing, playing a carno and a mixing cera packy come at you, use slight hills and let the packy break its own legs

mixing, just alters the tactical side

mixing does not offer anything bullet proof or unbeatable

[cyan flame]

Why would you even engage them as carno, you can just run away. It'd be better if you used examples where it matters more. And sure, you can possibly find ways around it, that still doesn't change that it ruins the balance, and isn't meant to happen anyway. And it is in most cases where it matters, harder to deal with than a single species of the same numbers.

No one ever claimed it was bullet proof or unbeatable, only that it ruins balance, and allows you to play in ways you're not neccesarily meant to do and achieve things you're not neccesarily meant to achieve.

[vagrant hedge]

there is nothing for "it isnt meant to happen". thats just wishful thinking. thats the point tho, if your solo, do you attack a group? does it matter if they are mixing or pure? no. because your smart enough to not engage. your smart enough to look at them, and know what that group is weak against, how fast, collectively they need to travel, where they will likely head to

there is no balance, there is no intention of balance. its hard core survival

[cyan flame]

I'm pretty sure the devs frown upon mixpacking, so yes, it "isn't meant to happen". There used to be rules in legacy for that matter, as well as rules for group numbers back then. So no idea why you'd think there aren't certain playstyles that are meant, and not meant, to be.

Yes, it matters if they mix if that means you can't disengage, and so on. Sure, it's fine if you're the one that sets the pace, you can just run away, most of the time, but that's not always the case, obviously.

[vagrant hedge]

they can frown upon it all they want, if no action is taken against it, then its there.

[cyan flame]

And in the cases where you don't get to pick the engagement, is where mixing tends to cause trouble.

[cyan flame]

Well, they are planning measures against it, from what I know.

[vagrant hedge]

idk, ive never, NEVER had issues with dealing with mix packs

[cyan flame]

Of course there is balance. And of course there's an intention of balance. Otherwise we wouldn't have concerns such as "what does a stego do if a rex sees it, just die?". Yes, it's hardcore survival, that does not mean no balance. Otherwise we'd have no rhyme or reason to any playables stats.

[vagrant hedge]

how is there balance?

[limber hull]

Just because you don't deal with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist lmao

[cyan flame]

If there's no balance, or concern for it, then why does things change? Why didn't we keep the "four omnis shred one stego in one pounce" we once had

[vagrant hedge]

hypsie vs carno, where is the balance?

[cyan flame]

By stats and abilities, so that something that can't reliably fight something else, can avoid it

... By the hpysi being able to escape the carno, if it can even be found in the first place

You realize survival balance relates to your viability in an encounter, right, can you survive the encounter or not

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message
Also this is such a bizarre take lol

[cyan flame]

Not "can you kill this thing" or not

[cyan flame]

Good for you, I tend to play slower playables, so I don't get the chance to decide engagement all the time. Thus, I know how bad mixing can get.

[limber hull]

recently had to deal with 2 gallis and a dilo as a raptor, so i got screwed lol

[cyan flame]

But like, why would you think there's no balance in a game where you obviously are meant to be able to survive. Of course that means there has to be balance.

[vagrant hedge]

the entire concept of the dino tiers, is because of the purposefully, difference in balance

[cyan flame]

Hence why people are worried about the rex - stego matchup, since we don't know how stego is meant to encounter a rex and survive

[vagrant hedge]

its not

[cyan flame]

Be it by running away, or fighting (since stegos don't do that well with hiding)

[cyan flame]

No, that's... not what tiers are about, or have been about, in a long time

Tiers are just a way to look at relative size and power, not balance per say

[limber hull]

This isn't fighting game tiers. This is size tiers. Very different

[vagrant hedge]

if a rex sees a solo stego, the odds are, not counting player skills, the stego is dead

[limber hull]

That's literally why I want stego buffed, because that isn't balanced

[cyan flame]

Which is why there is concern over how to make it viable so that doesnt happen

Because if that happens, then we have no balance, and your "skill" at surviving isn't there

[limber hull]

Every other animal has options against another animal

[vagrant hedge]

stego groups?

[limber hull]

Not only is that a horrible way to balance it, it doesn't work

[cyan flame]

No, just no. Grouping doesn't work like that, it's a terrible solution that only leads to the playable not being played

[rain hemlock]

Literally 2 stenosis could probably be fine with a Rex without too much skill

[vagrant hedge]

grouping is a viable solution, so is growth times

[cyan flame]

Won't matter if they die solo, no one wants to be reliant upon someone else to survive an encounter 1v1, and so it won't work

[cyan flame]

It's not. We've seen this in legacy.

[limber hull]

Because if solo stego dies to rex, every time, then you'll never see anyone picking stego over trike or rex.

No stegos = no stego groups = no way to survive rex = no stegos

Self fulfilling cycle

If stego can't fight, let it run from rex. I honestly don't care. It just needs to be able to survive

[cyan flame]

Pretty much that. You need to keep in mind a playable have to be viable solo in a 1v1 encounter, be it by running, or even hiding for those that can. You can't make a playable reliant upon someone else, or you won't have people play that in the first place to find a group.

Hence, there is balance in this game, survival balance, rather than deathmatch, but balance none the less.

[rain hemlock]

I feel like with stegos nee attack coming a stego could maybe tail tank a Rex as long as it keeps the Rex behind it while the inverse is true for trike

[vagrant hedge]

ya, survival balance

[cyan flame]

As we can see from how many times things have changed for that matter, precisely because something wasn't really balanced

[cyan flame]

Yes, but you're claiming there is no balance, which is wrong. Survival balance means you can survive. Not that you're dead on sight.

[vagrant hedge]

a stego should not be able to outrun a rex, or solo a rex. maybe, out stam a rex.

[rain hemlock]

If ur being dumb and allowing the Rex to chomp ur head or side that's on u, u should be able to avoid it enough to the point that u can damage it significantly more than it damages u

[vagrant hedge]

ya, that is the balance, the fact that dinos arent balanced

[cyan flame]

Possibly. I could see the running power swing stagger a rex, since it also turns the stego around. So you'd run up, smack the rex in the face, inflict massive damage or bleed, and then you run away. If the rex follows, it bleeds out.

[cyan flame]

No, outstam doesn't really work. Stego should be able to either fight, or outright run. Simple as that.

[rain hemlock]

Yeah something like that makes sense

[cyan flame]

They are balanced though, that's the thing.

[limber hull]

They are literally balanced to co-exist

[cyan flame]

Being balanced for survival is still balanced.

[limber hull]

That is the point of the game

[rain hemlock]

The same way a dumb stego should be punished by a rex, a dumb Rex should be punished by a stego

[cyan flame]

If stego just dies solo vs a single rex, then it's not balanced. If stego can outrun, or outfight, then we have balance.

[vagrant hedge]

no, stego needs to die 1 on 1 to a rex. if a stego can out run a rex, then everything outruns a rex, if a stego can 1 v 1 a rex, then the rex is weak af

[cyan flame]

... No, stego should not just die 1v1. It might be able to outrun, which is fine, rex can be slow. And if it can't outrun, then outfight, because rex doesn't need to be all powerful.

[rain hemlock]

It should be a fair fight when not considering skill for either to be viable

[limber hull]

Stego needs to be playable.

[cyan flame]

But if that's your idea of balance, then quite frankly, I'm done talking to you. If you want to make a playable unviable because you think that's "balance" then you clearly do not understand how to approach games, much less balancing them

[limber hull]

Much more important than rex's power fantasy is a game that doesn't punish you for liking certain dinosaurs over other "better" dinosaurs

[vagrant hedge]

ya, skill should be a big part of it, for sure.

[cyan flame]

I on the other hand, want all playables to be viable, simple as that

[cyan flame]

If both sides are equally skilled, the defender should have the advantage

[vagrant hedge]

it doesnt make it unviable. you are just looking at 1 scenario

[limber hull]

What's the point of even having "throw picks" in a survival game besides an inane quest for realism

[cyan flame]

Because they don't get to choose if to engage

[rain hemlock]

Ig

[limber hull]

The main scenario that matters, yes

[cyan flame]

This goes for all scenarios. Viable means surviving 1v1 encounters.

[limber hull]

(not winning 1v1. Surviving)

[cyan flame]

Exactly, just let stego run if needed

[limber hull]

No other animal dies on sight in a 1v1

[rain hemlock]

We can't say stego needs a buff till we see Rex fight it is all I'm saying

I agree the current state of stegi wouldn't realistically take a Rex but we should wait first

[cyan flame]

Boost up it's health/weight/blood to 7.5T-8T, make the new swing properly good and useful, and add a nice CC on the frontal power swing that you can use to hit the rex before it can hit you, stun it and then you can move away. If rex keeps coming, rinse and repeat until it goes away or dies.

[limber hull]

We know enough about rex to say pretty comfortably that stego will not be able to fight it (as it is)

[vagrant hedge]

the stego needs other ways to deal with the rex, not speed, not power

[limber hull]

We giving it burrowing now?

[cyan flame]

This is very true. I am talking theoreticals here. Stego vs rex is just an example because of how current stego isn't all that.

[limber hull]

Or making it a diver?

[rain hemlock]

Lmao

[limber hull]

Or a climber, god forbid?

[cyan flame]

So I am not too worried, I'm sure it will end up being balanced

[cyan flame]

Why? Why not give it speed or power?

[limber hull]

When you reach that size level, power and speed are the two core balancing factors

[cyan flame]

There's nothing that says stego can't fight a rex, really

[vagrant hedge]

give it scenting, hearing idk. make rex, loud? idk something

[limber hull]

LMAO

[cyan flame]

Especially not since it's a game, so stego can do whatever we want it to xD

Including flapping its plates and fly away!

[rain hemlock]

Like a stego can sense predators before predators see it?

[vagrant hedge]

apexes maybe

[limber hull]

If rex is loud, that doesn't make stego better, it just means that trikes are better at hunting it down. Stego is still the far worse option to pick

[cyan flame]

That sounds more like a dryo ability

Which would be cool, giving dryos a sensory boost to make them better sentries

[limber hull]

The last thing I think when I see stego, literally the dumbest dinosaur ever recorded, is situational awareness and heightened senses

[cyan flame]

But it might also end up unbalanced to be fair

The easiest thing to do is to just boost stegos power and call it a day

Second easiest is to make stego a bit faster, and rex a bit slower, and hope it looks good

[vagrant hedge]

idk, i think out stam is best option, hunt by ambush

[limber hull]

doesn't rex have a far faster trotspeed, thus it can just... outendure it lol

[vagrant hedge]

it can have a good trot, but make its sprint stam like a deino

[cyan flame]

Then couldnt you just trot the stego down, not like stego runs very well either

Honestly, just up stegos power, best way and makes stego a bit better overall too

If acro gets to be an apex, stego can too, no reason not to

[vagrant hedge]

if a rex burns its speed and then has to trot it down, its not gonna be very agile when it gets there, risk vs reward

a stego, tail will always be damaging. a bad rex, just running up will still die

not to mention, if your version of running and hiding, is going in a straight line, then your gonna die

not to mention, a playable rex, should have a long growth time, hard diet, and miserable growth experience

[cyan flame]

Might not need to be very agile, if it can just chomp down and pin the stego

[cyan flame]

So should any apex, including stego and acro for that matter

[vagrant hedge]

the rex bite, should be less than a deino

[cyan flame]

.... Yeah, that won't be the case

[vagrant hedge]

so, idk, a rex should be able to pin a stego, or like 2 shot it. still take 10-15 hits

[cyan flame]

It doesn't even have a "normal" bite, from what we know, it has a bite that will pin/trash you depending on size and stuff

[vagrant hedge]

it has a bite, and a crush

[cyan flame]

It will be able to pin stego, I think, which is why stego needs to be able to outrun, or outfight, more likely than not

No, the normal bite leads into a crush apparently

Depending on the size of the target, so rex doesn't have a normal basic bite, for some reason

[limber hull]

lmao that's absolutely not happening

[cyan flame]

If it twoshots stego, why would it take 10-15 hits?

[vagrant hedge]

why not? dienosuchus has the hardest bite of any animal known to man

[cyan flame]

... Yes but not in this game

[limber hull]

in this game, rex has a bigger bite

[cyan flame]

It does 500 biteforce, and the lunge/grab is what represents the actual power, rather than the bite

[vagrant hedge]

thats silly, rex should be like 400 biteforce ish

[cyan flame]

So it's very likely that rex could get a 1K or so damage on it's main bite

[limber hull]

lol it's likely going to be more around 1000

[cyan flame]

Stego does 1250 after all

Deino isn't meant to use it's bite, thus it gets a low biteforce. Rex on the other hand is meant to bite down and not let go, so it will probably do severe damage with that

[vagrant hedge]

well, a deino, is also technically meant to bite down and not let go.

mind u, a deino is suppose to b twice the size it currently is

[limber hull]

no it isn't what

[vagrant hedge]

ya, 8 tons now

15-20tons

[radiant nest]

I thought that was an outdated estimate?

[radiant nest]

I thought I saw people in #paleotalk saying so

But deino is very fragmentary, so it has a wide range of size estimates iirc

[vagrant hedge]

mind you, there was some discoveries lately, showing the t rex might of been a fair bit bigger than we thought too

[cyan flame]

It's possible, but I doubt deino got that big. But then stego also should be 8T so there is that

[radiant nest]

Good thing there’s lore!

And elders I suppose

[vagrant hedge]

thats one thing i wish deino had, like a 30 hour growth. but have it hit near adult in its normal 8hours or whatever it is, then the last 10-15% over the next 22 hours.

[radiant nest]

Certainly an interesting concept

[vagrant hedge]

it would show, older crocs, rare, that have grown to huge sizes and such. kinda simuate like a 100 year old croc

rewarding survival

[cyan flame]

A 14T deino, would be interesting. But then you might need to rebalance the lunge and everything else, and the size might require changes to the map again

[midnight heath]

I love how it's painfully clear when someone doesn't play herbivores

[cyan flame]

Not sure it'd neccesarily be good for the game, deino is already powerful enough to take on most of the roster

But if we're to get max size deino, I want my max size stego too!

[midnight heath]

A chunkier old steg would be so sick

I want my elder teno or diablo

[vagrant hedge]

the map, i think is horrible, for gameplay loop tho.

[cyan flame]

That too. But I want the base stego to be full powered

So, 8T, new powerful attacks, and so on, make it properly good

[vagrant hedge]

with the concept of migrations. i would rather see a map, stretched out, with a migration on each end type of idea. have it deino free on the ends, when the migration changes, the middle area, have several paths and styles, but thats where deinos are. migration survives through the journey. have area designed for omnis, designed for carnos, herras, ect. but also have areas that are viable during the mirgration too

the map right now, is just a heightmap, painted over. with 0 functionallity

[midnight heath]

Oh people would throw a hoot and you know that, but I agree that would be really nice.

I love steg but it feels so lacking kit wise, I can't believe everything else gets an alt. free of stam deino excluded but poor steg is out of luck if it's out of stam.

[limber hull]

pretty sure even deino gets one

[midnight heath]

I thought it's alt took stam? I could have sworn it did but I could 100% be wrong. I haven't grown one on the playtest either.

[vagrant hedge]

it doess

BUT you can alt with no stam too

[cyan flame]

All critters can use their alt without stam, at lower damage, right?

[vagrant hedge]

that idk

[midnight heath]

Also I like Gateway, I think it's a pretty nice map and the new additions are super nice.

[cyan flame]

At least the main alt, not sure on teno slam, but claw I think at least

[vagrant hedge]

the map, for being in unreal, as a game dev myself, is kinda laughable

[midnight heath]

It's really hard to take your thoughts to heart after telling me basically "lol skill issue" for saying mix packing is unbalanced.

[cyan flame]

The map is nice, but not as nice as hoped perhaps

[midnight heath]

I have hope, especially with the additions we got currently that we'll get more changes to help. I am curious what they plan to do with East Plains.

[limber hull]

what

[vagrant hedge]

the changes they did, they could of spent another 5 minutes with a few options, and made it 10x better imo

perhaps they dont know the engine well enough tho

and not to sound like.... they are bad or anything. not the intent, im sure they are doing the best they can with the knowledge and time they got

[cyan flame]

Maybe, or maybe they just don't agree with what would make things better

[vagrant hedge]

idk, things like using virtual texturing for heighmap blending. is pretty easy choice, for visuals

using nanite tech for rocks, would improve performance AND look better

and with unreal 5.3 update the foilage and trees to nanite, to improve performance

[cyan flame]

Fair, if it's a matter of performance then it's a bit easier to determine, I was thinking more in design

But maybe there are reasons anyway, might not be as easy as you say

[vagrant hedge]

no, the design they have, is the design they want, thats fair

[cyan flame]

Or they simply have plans, but other things are more important

[vagrant hedge]

the heightmap blending, takes about 30 minutes to set up, and ya, you need to know about it to use it

same texture, but with heightmap displacement on

[midnight heath]

What game have you developed out of curiousity?

[vagrant hedge]

just some minor mobile stuff, my big project, is under development, its a turn based, team tactical game, like xcom playstyle, but its rpg fantasy

[dense plover]

@fleet tiger I think what you're asking for is an entirely different game my brother, The Isle will never be a co-op survival sim

It's very much been made clear that it's gonna be like DayZ with dinosaurs in a way, along those lines

[rain hemlock]

This is easy to do? It looks rly good

[vagrant hedge]

ah, yes. but its not out in the open, so they may not know about it, i dont think they have been using unreal for years and years. so they may just not know about it

[rain hemlock]

Is that using specific textures that u can use that or does unreal figure it out for any textures

[vagrant hedge]

thats just a basic mud texture i had kicking around

it using height data from a texture, sorta like a normal map, but unreal does all the work

[rain hemlock]

And frames don't drop too hard?

[vagrant hedge]

at all

terrain can use nanite tech now

[rain hemlock]

Maybe they're using custom textures that don't work that's the only explanation I can think of

[vagrant hedge]

i beleive they are using unreal5, maybe they havent updated to 5.3? idk

this came in 5.2

[rain hemlock]

Someone should ask a dev

[fleet tiger]

DayZ with dinosaurs is exactly the issue. The game is supposed to be a horror survival, and yet people play it like a PVP deathmatch. With so many random strangers on a server together, it is naturally, by default of human nature, going to devolve into a deathmatch. Any sense of immersion or survival disappears, which is supposed to be the bread and butter of this game.

The devs are trying to get a server of 100 strangers to basically roleplay as animals, and that will never work. They have been trying and failing since 2015 when the game first released. Player-ran ecosystems of this style do not work. The only solution I could think of, is to tone down the multiplayer. Because the more people in a server, the more chaotic it's going to be, regardless of how immersive or well-designed the game is. And the lack of players would be made up for with good AI.

I understand this is almost re-making the game, but that's kind of the point. Because the game they're currently trying to make, with its player-ran ecosystem, is likely to fail. Don't get it twisted; I adore this game and I want it to succeed. But I simply don't see it working out, with such a fundamental gaming flaw at it's core.

[vagrant hedge]

like even down at the beach, those rocks, which i didnt check, maybe they changed them with this update, but they were bad

[dense plover]

No one has said anything about roleplay, this game is not a roleplaying game. If you want roleplay, there's servers for that but this game is a horror survival. What people choose to do within the confines of the game is up to them

[barren zephyr]

The game devolves into a deathmatch because there is nothing else to do. While yes this will happen on a small scale in any game at any time, it happens on an almost global scale in The Isle because once you reach adult, there is nothing else.

[dense plover]

You're making a whole lot of assumptions about the final state of the game when most of the game isn't even halway done

[limber hull]

You fundamentally fail to understand what draws people to the game with your feedback. It’s a complete deviation from the game people play and the game people want. It would alienate effectively the entire player base, as well as simply not being the game people paid for.

[dense plover]

Humans aren't even here yety

[barren zephyr]

This 100%, this would vastly change the game we all wanted/paid for. I want to play as a dino with and against other players, not mostly AI. That was the entire appeal of the game

[limber hull]

Unofficial servers and mods will exist to create that experience if it’s what you truly want, but it should not replace what we have

[dense plover]

Horror doesn't mean "booman hunts you until you die"

[barren zephyr]

The devs even suggested this themselves, having servers with less players and more AI, and nobody wanted that.

[latent olive]

damn okay """"""game developer""""""""

[limber hull]

The concept of the player-ran ecosystem is the entire reason I like this game. Take that, and I honestly would quit.

I find no interest in a bunch of AI in an artificial ecosystem where interactions are limited to whatever the AI has programmed into it

[vagrant hedge]

i think a few things, for adult dinos would be good, like small stuff, hell id be happy with a 3rd party leaderboard for time survived.

[dense plover]

Great comment, really insightful

[latent olive]

thanks

[vagrant hedge]

just aslong as it doesnt go titans root, dont want to TRex picking flowers

[dense plover]

I never get the people believing that picking up flowers and acorns for 12 hours to grow a single dino is superior to the isle in any way

[vagrant hedge]

i know, isle is way better than titans

[dense plover]

"Oh but it has more dinos" Yeah making models is goddamn easy compared to actually programming them

[rain hemlock]

Path is def not a bad game but isle is better

[dense plover]

It's just a bunch of model swaps with the same attacks

[rain hemlock]

Isle has way more realistic and interesting mechanics

[vagrant hedge]

the models and animations would be very time consuming. but the quality of the isles, is far more than titans in that regard

[midnight heath]

I am mighty excited for

Whenever that day comes

[rain hemlock]

If PoT had isles graphics and models and versatility I would play PoT

[dense plover]

Animations are time consuming, models are not. And last I checked PoT uses mostly the same animations

[limber hull]

i think the difference between PoT and Isle is that the Isle is effectively an entirely different experience dependent on the species you play, whereas PoT is more of a "pick speed or power" type deal

You're getting different stats, but nothing on the scale of comparing beipi to carno to herrera

[vagrant hedge]

ya, a full set of higher end animations, specific to 1 dino, would take a few months

[dense plover]

They're also vastly inferior in every way, it seems like a mobile game compared to the isle

[vagrant hedge]

shared animations are... meh

[limber hull]

(it is a mobile game)

[rain hemlock]

That's how it feels and it discourages me from playing it because of this

[dense plover]

Yes sorry, I meant it is a mobile game

[latent olive]

wouldnt be POT then

[vagrant hedge]

facts

[rain hemlock]

Would just be a completed isle 😭

[fleet tiger]

That's exactly the issue I'm trying to point out. A player-ran ecosystem has never, and will never work. Because people will always play how they want, no matter what features or mechanics or intelligent design is in the game. I take no joy in saying this, because it's what drew me to the game as well. It would take some truly revolutionary game design to make what the isle is trying to do, actually work. And while I hope the devs figure something out, I don't have high hopes for it, and am simply offering an alternative.

[barren zephyr]

Nah PoT is on the same level of completion that isle is

[dense plover]

I only like pizza but if I had a burger that was flat with sauce and cheese on top I would eat that instead

[barren zephyr]

Both games got no real gameplay outside of growing then dying, repeat

[dense plover]

That's the fun part no?

[rain hemlock]

That's where isle will hopefully get better

[barren zephyr]

It's repetitive with no filler in between, so not really

[barren zephyr]

I've got my fingers crossed, I am excited for upcoming updates

[rain hemlock]

Gets boring when ur a fg Carno who can't die to anything unless ur playing with no fear

[vagrant hedge]

growing, dying repeat is fine tho, as a loop. im fine with that. i just want more reason, of something to accomplish, for more reason to not just run in and die cause i want to restart

[dense plover]

Then don't play carno? Wut?

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

[rain hemlock]

It's not juts carno

[dense plover]

Of course you're gonna get bored if nothing can kill you, that's why they're adding bigger and bigger creatures each time

[limber hull]

So accept it, rather than run from it. Encourage it to work, rather than throw the entire idea in the dumpster, because people like to focus on the deathmatch, but this game has presented some of the most authentic animal survival/ecosystem gameplay I've ever experience

We will NEVER have a completely authentic ecosystem simulator, no, but the devs can put in mechanics to at least get 50% of the way there, and then when it clicks, it CLICKS. The Isle has presented time and time again that it's more than a deathmatch, if you choose to go out of your way to avoid that playstyle.

[dense plover]

I don't know about you but I feel like a part of an ecosystem when I play troodon

[limber hull]

Will elders and mutations finally give us the survival authentic ecosystem we want? No. But it'll get us a short fraction closer.

[rain hemlock]

Stego deino carno have the same problem cuz they are all essentially not easy to kill

[vagrant hedge]

bringing weather conditions, like heatwaves, or flooding, landslides, volcanic activity, to spice the map up on game events would be cool though

[limber hull]

This is why Troo is literaly one of my faves

I play Troo for the same reasons

[fleet tiger]

That's my hope as well

[dense plover]

Yes they're not easy to kill that's the whole point. Do you think anyone would sit in a pond for 5 hours to grow just to do die to a utah?

You have so many options, if you don't like one playable play another

[rain hemlock]

Yes but I'm saying there should be more to do besides hunt

[dense plover]

Bro? What do cheetahs do irl?

[rain hemlock]

Idk

[dense plover]

They literally spend 99% of their waking time hunting just to stay alive

[vagrant hedge]

i wish more focus was on nesting. like people should want to nest, and grow children

[dense plover]

Have you ever watched a documentary? The entire world is a goddamn deathmatch

[rain hemlock]

I don't want to be a cheetah

[vagrant hedge]

bonuses, perks or something for groups and nesters.

[dense plover]

Then why would you play a cheetah simulator?

Seems weird to me

[vagrant hedge]

imagine killing a packy, as a omni pack, and dragging its corpse to your nest or something

[rain hemlock]

Is the isle only abt survival?

[dense plover]

Yes, it's a survival game

And since dinos don't seem to be capable of hunting with rifles or bows this is what we got

[vagrant hedge]

the devs should make the rex super tough, then lock it, then once a week, the devs play as rexes and terrorize

[dense plover]

They can't make a base, they can't craft tools

[rain hemlock]

Idk I want more than just survive but if the isle is only survival like ur saying then idk whatll happen

[urban flax]

Is that sarcasm ?

[midnight heath]

Rexes are going to have the biggest egos just like in Legacy, I can feel it.

[wooden agate]

X

[vagrant hedge]

@urban flax should i put community notes with it?

[urban flax]

What do you mean ?

[vagrant hedge]

no its not sarcastic, but no, its not serious

low key tho, would be kinda funny

@rain hemlock i play croc alot, and LOVE going on land to steal kills. so on a personal note, i hate your idea in the general feedback, but in reallity, it is a good idea. would be tricky to pull off code wise. but i like the work as a team thing

they should also add a option in settings, to toggle, fill lowest nutriant first/ fill highest nutrient first for when you have multiple of the same nutrient. hit tab, toggle it the way you want it. let players control how their nutrients fill

[urban flax]

For who ?
"Hey, so we made the creature everyone wants in the game, and we made it super cool and OP, but only WE can play it. And we're gonna use it to troll your from time to time and kill your dinos ;)"
That doesn't sound fun at all to me

[limber hull]

they did this with Type-Hs, but I also think they refunded the dinos they killed and generally warned the entire server there was a Type-H

Hell, they mostly liked using the Type-H to show off and be cool rather than actually kill anything

[vagrant hedge]

@urban flax just think of it like a world boss 🙂

[urban flax]

But it's not a MMORPG, it's a survival game

Also if a regular animal is a world boss, what are strains gonna be ? Complete server wipes ?

[rain hemlock]

It'll be Killable and rather than the Rex sitting in the game files obsolete (besides on community servers) at least we'll see it from time to time

I'm fairly certain devs wouldn't go after anything that can't take it or something that's trying to attack them

You know what's weird, I just landed from a plane flight from two countries with a time diff of 2 hours and the message timer in general feedback went Down by 4 hours(2 for the flight duration) and I'm assuming it also changes based on the country

[abstract cedar]

when there will be the new update with optimalization

[worn kraken]

Why has the ping become so bad on every official server? I used to have 40-50 max, and I now always have at least 100, making the game really bad to play

[radiant nest]

It’s the same ping, calculated and therefore displayed in a different way

[worn kraken]

What do you mean?

[radiant nest]

Essentially the ping that was displayed before was calculated in a way that only displayed part of the whole roundtrip communication between you and the server. Now it displays the back and forth communication, which results in a higher displayed ping. Divide your ping currently by 4 and you should get around what you used to get, or less

Now I’m no expert on this, and others know more, but this is my understanding of it

[worn kraken]

Oh alright thanks, I’ll try and understand more then. Although, I noticed that now the game is really characterised by bad ping problems (players move erratically , missed bites, players and ai appear and disappear etc) whilst previously it wasn’t and was very smooth

[radiant nest]

yeah, especially on hordetest rn, although it seems better after a server restart

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message

if it was one pounce, i'd understand a bit. but you managed to get pounded twice as a fresh adult cera... im not sure that death was unwarranted lol

[vagrant hedge]

ping isnt a huge issue, if prediction and compensation is coded in with movement and stuff, which it should be in anytype of multiplayer competitive game

[tight iron]

#general-feedback message UHHHHHH

the crap update is real

[bold mason]

@stray jewel deino spawn is actually perfect, connecting waterways would be nice, but the spawn is fine just run north you will always get to the lake. As far as the big camping deinos, thats part of deino life, we already have no predators other than bigger deinos and there are mechanics in the game to help u survive as a smaller deino against them... just gotta play smart.

[wooden agate]

#general-feedback message does it really take that long?

[wooden agate]

@fathom plinth #general-feedback message the only reason night was that light was due to us not having NV yet, i agree its pretty though. however it would render night hunters useless due to them losing their advantage

[dry falcon]

@queen ember i want that tokyo drift back 😭

[full pewter]

Question for yall. What can be done for plateo?

[eager grove]

@high perch are you on horde test, evrima, or legacy?

[high perch]

evrima

[eager grove]

Ah ok. The new horde test has an unstuck function that they’re trying out, so it’s in the works already. I haven’t needed to use it but I’ll double check tomorrow

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @somber elm The little icon when you hold rmb will show if the jump will result in a broken bone if it's from too high up, naturally if u still decide to jump knowing it'll break your leg then idk what to tell you

[somber elm]

Yes but with the way the fall damage now works, you can fall to your death without breaking a bone, so it seems safe but it still kills you, and the fall height is way too small currently, if a herrara falls out of the big trees, they instantly die

[sterile shale]

I get its annoying but it'd be a bit dumb especially because ur pounce damage scales with height

[somber elm]

Pounce is the only way herrara can kill something realistically, and it’s not overpowered at the moment, so I don’t know why they reduced the jump height

[sterile shale]

its not like its that low

you can jump from decently high

[somber elm]

I saw a herrara fall out of a tree and die instantly from a height that should be fine

[sterile shale]

This is about the max height I can fall from

pretty much the ground

I think that is about high enough

better image

from another angle haha

but you can see like that's high, it should give you more than enough damage to 1 shot whatever prey you're hunting

the biggest thing on hera's diet that would require this prob is a teno

and you dont even need a fraction of that height to one shot a boar or deer, so unless you're trying to run the ones with a cera I don't see why fall damage is so bad

[mystic parcel]

the height change did a BIG impact in the playstyle and hunting, i fell off from the side of a dome that was lower then that tree in your picture in hordetest and crippled myself close to death. herreras need to be rlly high up to be seen less from other players, if we are mid level on trees we will be seen, i also climbed one of those trees I cloudnt climb up higher to those branches or id cripple myself, also no one drops straight down, most of the time when hunting, players are usually at a slight distance from the trees so if you move your icon now to try and pounce them itll say that youd break your leg.

[vagrant hedge]

herras dont need to be able to solo kill ceras and stuff tho... a animal of any type weighing a few hundreds kgs is gonna break something. flying like 50 feet isnt really realistic at all. if the sound gets dampened down some, then sneaking up and stalking med tier to small tier dinos should be fine

[sterile shale]

I might ig so but then again if you fall from a height you can't blame the game for taking fall damage if you know you're really high up, plus you really don't need to be that high up to one shot ai and deal serious damage to mid tiers

I have broken my leg from big falls and it is annoying but at the same time it's reasonable that you can't just chill 100 feet in the air and be able to just jump off and be fine

this game isn't known for its realism but I think people would be annoyed if they died to a drop bear RKOing them from a tree the size of a 5 story building

and its not like herra's need to hide 24/7 because what is any other dino gonna do when you're sitting in a tree

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr You can play Spiro by selecting it in the steam betas

[sterile shale]

#general-feedback message @barren zephyr idk how else to tell you but this is a stupid video

[barren zephyr]

no servers 🙂

in the beta

[barren zephyr]

hell naw

[urban flax]

Normally there are servers
It's just that no one players them because no one likes spiro

[barren zephyr]

watch the video first lol

[sterile shale]

either this person has not played the game or just does what half the people do in general feedback and not think through what they suggest

[barren zephyr]

ok.. why shouldnt spawn points be removed then?

i want to see your perspective

oh wait, you are just someone that pvp at east

give me an actual reason to keep spawn points

jit got quiet rn lmao

aw man 😦 i thought someone was gonna give me a good argument againt my suggestion

[barren zephyr]

ok then lmao, how many hours do you have on the isle

[wooden agate]

yeah no, spawn points should absolutely be removed lol

[sterile shale]

mb I was eating dinner lol

[barren zephyr]

ok

[sterile shale]

ok so the guy said nesting to spawn in as opposed to spawn points

[barren zephyr]

spawn points discourage nesting yes

[sterile shale]

but then said the only reason nesting isn't used more is because spawning is easier, which is true but neglects other factors that discourage nesting

[barren zephyr]

like?

[sterile shale]

and makes it sound like removing spawn points will skyrocket nesting

[barren zephyr]

nesting isnt the only reason why spawn points are bad

[sterile shale]

just to name a few, if you do manage to even find a partner to nest with which can range from easy (stego/teno) to impossible (any carni, gali etc), then the time and effort you have to dedicate to raising and feeding young which requires so much food and diet over a long period of time, meaning if migration changes it's just a giant screw you and then your very limited 8 ish young assuming none die or leave will just starve, it's also just so boring to sit there for like at least 30 minutes while all you can do Is wait to be able to do anything and get fed. Also of course spawning next to your friend is superior to being nested in? If I log on with a friend at the same time am I just supposed to wait hours until he grows up to be able to nest, then nest in just to wait a couple more hours afk growing before finally being able to play the game?

*also if ur a carni raising young good luck maintaining a good diet balance if there was no hotspot to get diet from

[barren zephyr]

thats bs, assuming your friend just spawned in, you can also just uhhh. idk? WALK

[barren zephyr]

AI?

[sterile shale]

yeah but the guy said to remove spawn points so your friend can nest you in

you also said that, to make nesting more viable

[barren zephyr]

because that is also a solution, if spawn points dont exist

[barren zephyr]

it kinda does lol

[sterile shale]

but why would you wait so long to just get spawned in by your friend

[barren zephyr]

what other reasons is my suggestion "bad"

[barren zephyr]

why cant you just walk?

are you lazy?

[sterile shale]

wdym, the guy said "choosing the spawn point closer to your friend is superior in everyway, instead of being spawned in by said friend"

[barren zephyr]

are you one of those people that get fed like a baby at east pond?

[barren zephyr]

well, walking to your friend is also an option

[sterile shale]

im not gonna have a discussion with you if you're gonna be childish

[barren zephyr]

[sterile shale]

that's not the point of what the guy was saying? that is the opposite of what the guy was saying?

[barren zephyr]

still an OPTION

[sterile shale]

he's saying instead of picking the same spawn location and walking you get nested in?

[sterile shale]

yes and spawn points give that option

[barren zephyr]

alright then, lets take a look at what other factors removing spawn points provide

[sterile shale]

hang on

don't just move on,

[barren zephyr]

discouraging revenge killing, killing your self then coming back to feed of yourself

exploration becomes more encouraged

no carni hotspots

[sterile shale]

revenge killing is negligible and annoying at best if you sit in the same spot

[sterile shale]

how?

what's preventing the player from walking to east plains

[barren zephyr]

well, you would have to walk around more if HALF THE SERVER ISNT AT ONE SINGULARE POND?

[sterile shale]

okay but the server size isn't large enough to fill out a map as big as gateway

people want to interact with each other and fight because that's all there is to do

[barren zephyr]

and that is why east pond hotspot is problem

[barren zephyr]

then why dont they play free admin servers?

[sterile shale]

idk? should people be discouraged from fighting?

do you just want people to sit in a bush?

[barren zephyr]

thats not what im saying

[sterile shale]

that's what is sounds like

[barren zephyr]

thats what they do, until they are fg and suicide themself

at east pond that is

[sterile shale]

because what else are they gonna do?

[barren zephyr]

explore

[sterile shale]

if you spread people out your just gonna walk around and then get bored

[barren zephyr]

then why do the play a game about surviving as a dinosaur in a open-world. where you areent supposed to interact with players 24/7.

[sterile shale]

exploring gets boring quick when all you do is just walk and then worry about finding food, also migration zones will just become hotspots if everyone goes there, meaning there won't be much exploring outside the 20 min max it takes to get there

[barren zephyr]

the point of the game is to be a dinosaur, its not a fighting simulator

[sterile shale]

This is what I mean when people make the same mistake in general feed-back, I garuntee you people don't need a day in the life of a dino

[barren zephyr]

migration zones are supposed to be hotspots

[sterile shale]

because then it's just sitting around and maybe a bit of action every couple of hours

[barren zephyr]

like if you want to play a fighting game, play fortnite or somethin

[sterile shale]

"exploring" doesn't count as something to do

[barren zephyr]

or CoD

i play the isle, to be a dinosaur

[sterile shale]

because you end up needing food in 20 minutes

[barren zephyr]

not to be breast fed at a pond

[sterile shale]

what do you even mean by that

your acting as if people sit at pond and have a grand old time and share food

[barren zephyr]

everyone kills eacgother at the pond, so just scavange there

[barren zephyr]

while also being blood thirsty

[sterile shale]

its fun to spawn east plains because Im not bored out of my mind walking around wondering if I'm gonna starve to death

[barren zephyr]

then log of the game

and touch grass or something

[sterile shale]

honestly mate if all you want to do is walk around, good for you, that's your playstyle, but just because you like something doesn't mean everyone has to play the way you want

[barren zephyr]

im not saying you should play like me tho. if thats what you think

im just sharing my vision

[sterile shale]

That's what it sounds like because you want to ban pvp by making it near impossible to find people

[barren zephyr]

not banning pvp. tf

and people wont just walk around doing nothing, if they follow the migration zones

[sterile shale]

Plus herbis all have different migrations, there ends up being not that many people in migration zones, so are all the carnivores supposed to just gang up on the small amount of herbis in each migration zone?

[barren zephyr]

i do often find people at west rail access

[barren zephyr]

have you not seen the herbi groups

alright, good luck with your 3 carnos killing 5 stegos, 2 tenos and 3 pachys

anyways

[sterile shale]

but then the game is unviable if you're solo

[barren zephyr]

dilos are good solo'ists

they are fast and has the hallucination mechanic

and the venom is very, very effective at night

[sterile shale]

Maybe you should consider why there is so much incentive to not go to migration?

[barren zephyr]

probably, yeah

[sterile shale]

which isn't spawn points

[barren zephyr]

if they just make AI follow migrations, that would fix a lot of the problems

[barren zephyr]

j sector?

[sterile shale]

its much easier to just survive of ai, then risk going to migration on the of chance there is a herbi that isn't a stego horde

and there is even less incentive to play herbi because migration zones are so frustrating

[barren zephyr]

much of the problem with migrations is just the herbies being to good at defending

[barren zephyr]

the migrations last like 2 hours

[sterile shale]

so it ends up being far more enjoyable to just be a carni and pvp at east plains because the gameplay is actually engaging

[sterile shale]

yes but sometimes you log off in migration and then log on later and it's across the map

or you get there and there is genuinely no food

[barren zephyr]

herbies should just be "worse" at defending themself

even tho a dilo can easily solo a teno, but we dont talk about that

[wooden agate]

tfw random spawn points worked absolutely fine in legacy and infact did help keep people spread out

[barren zephyr]

herbies should be more effective in herds, but slighty worse solo as of rn, IMO

[barren zephyr]

true

sometime i go back to legacy, in the middle of no where, an still see like 3 players

[sterile shale]

I mean it's either you play herbi and have a snoozefest gameplay, just walking from migration to migration. Or you just play carni and you at least have the option to spawn at hotspots and be able to do something interesting like pvp

the issue isn't spawn points, the issue is the game having nothing to do

[wooden agate]

sure, 'hotspots' still existed in legacy. you had twins, great falls, wash, murky, hot springs, port, docks, coast pond, the swamps, lazy river, etc

and then the hotspots in evrima are... east plains lol

[sterile shale]

At least nesting in legacy was easier

[barren zephyr]

but far worse

[sterile shale]

nesting as a carni is basically just suicide because it is a struggle to maintain diet and food while looking after your young

[barren zephyr]

AI?

[sterile shale]

so you just rely on ai anyway, which is just 😴

why bother at that point

[barren zephyr]

and the amount of babies is up to the ones nesting

[sterile shale]

its just so boring and you get nothing in return

[latent olive]

i got nested in by two omniraptors, alongside a bunch of others, and within 15 minutes we were juveniles who could feed ourselves

[barren zephyr]

bruh, its just a solution to a almost none excisting problem

[sterile shale]

and then afk grow 🤯

[sterile shale]

nesting doesn't fix the boring gameplay loop

which I'd argue is the game's biggest issue

[barren zephyr]

and removing spawn points also fixes many other problems, like revenge killing, and spawing in as a setgo, suiciding. and feeding your pack

[latent olive]

no, we ran around, encountered other omniraptors, then i died cos we went to the shitshow that is east plains and got eviscerated by a carno

[wooden agate]

specific spawnpoints do nothing but encourage stagnating hotspots. theres no incentive to go anywhere else, which is a problem with migration zones themselves, and the lack of map uniqueness around the map.

tldr; its not just spawn points, but removing spawn points would be a start

[latent olive]

by the time i died i was 40% growth roughly

[latent olive]

random spawn deino spawning in the ocean

[sterile shale]

Maybe add inscentive to go elsewhere?

[wooden agate]

migrations need to a) be in interesting places and b) be further spread out

[wooden agate]

duh, and removing spawn points is the start lol

[sterile shale]

how though,

[barren zephyr]

i would argue swamp is an intersting place

[wooden agate]

it'd be a more expansive legacy system, with some dinosaurs/animals having their own spawn points they cycle through

[barren zephyr]

common sense

[wooden agate]

diversify the map, spread out the migration zones, include nesting zones within migration zones, etc

[limber hull]

heavily disagree, this essentially dissuades the simple act of playing a herbi

[sterile shale]

Nesting zones is a good idea, that was in the old map

[barren zephyr]

ok

[sterile shale]

I was waiting for you to show up 😂

[barren zephyr]

yes, but no one used it

[wooden agate]

• and also make nesting zones more similar to the concept art. spiro nesting zones were cringe

[sterile shale]

idk anyone more active than you in here haha

[sterile shale]

I used it?

it's where I nested Wavepoole as a pachy hahahaha

[wooden agate]

they were placed in really bad spots + the lack of migration zones meant you couldnt settle down reliably without having to leave

[barren zephyr]

i barely saw someone use it, i was nested in once as pachy at one. and that was it

[latent olive]

yeah sorry i had to log into my alt account real quick

[limber hull]

i used nesting zones

[wooden agate]

oh yah, they werent unusable by any means. but their positioning and distance from diet foods really discouraged it

hence putting them in migration zones

[latent olive]

i think it would have been really funny if they put a nesting grounds right in the middle of centre on spiro

[barren zephyr]

hell naw

[tight iron]

uh it already happens

even a raptor can solo a teno rn

[barren zephyr]

damn

[tight iron]

but good luck against 5 tenos

[barren zephyr]

fr

[wooden agate]

^ also yeh, the idea of having to group up to reliably live is not really a good thing

[tight iron]

it is the best thing

[sterile shale]

must be a terrible teno player lmao

[urban flax]

hello

[tight iron]

it is absolute common sense

[barren zephyr]

hi

[sterile shale]

one tail slam and it's over for an omni

[tight iron]

well mid tenos also die

[barren zephyr]

adding a stress bar for when you are to close to someone for to long, would PROBABLY help (a bit)

[latent olive]

my other alt account has appeared

[tight iron]

a tail slam does very little

[urban flax]

haha
Please stop having ideas

[latent olive]

abuseable

[barren zephyr]

"probably"

[tight iron]

only a kick to the head puts you out immediately

[wooden agate]

juvie troodon running into herd and debuffing the dinosaurs for their utah friends 🔥

[sterile shale]

yeah but you can pretty much stun lock people

pretty much the best counter to being chased

[tight iron]

hm

[barren zephyr]

omnis and their troodon debuffing eachother🔥

[urban flax]

Looks like you need to be acquainted with THE LIST

[barren zephyr]

who

[urban flax]

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

THE LIST

[latent olive]

who tasked

[sterile shale]

number 8 is just like the cera chuff if it was constant lol

like u can't ambush if they just realise ur there

anyway, the real question was does removing spawn points fix the game at all

which is a resounding no from me lol

[limber hull]

in a similar vein, raptor having to group up to reliably kill anything remotely bigger than it, or even stand a chance against dilo, makes sense, but isn't fun

[sterile shale]

removing spawn points doesn't fix the fact that the game can be boring as hell especially outside of pvp all you do is just eat drink and go back to sitting down, it'd make it worse if you just can't find anyone outside of migration, especially when carnis have NO incentive to even go to migration because of AI,

[barren zephyr]

after carefull consideration, i agree

[sterile shale]

Until the game isn't sit in a bush sim, not much point in changing much else because it will not make the game much better

[barren zephyr]

then dont make it boring, i always have a good time exploring the horde test

[wooden agate]

removing spawn points could be a start at spreading people out, especially once the map becomes more interesting

[sterile shale]

I have like 300 hours, idk about you but like if I did 300 hours of exploring in this game I think I'd give up

[barren zephyr]

and if i find another player, i stalk it until night. and the ambush

[wooden agate]

migration rework would obviously also help

[barren zephyr]

you create your own stories

[barren zephyr]

rookie numbers

[sterile shale]

erm yeah because I can't be bothered playing the game because the gameplay loop is abysmal

[limber hull]

i probably have done 300 hours of exploring at this juncture

[wooden agate]

tfw i have almost 1000 hours jghjghjgkh

[sterile shale]

I've been a solo player walking around as a stego and it is the biggest snooze fest I just jump off a cliff

[barren zephyr]

and more sanctuaries

[wooden agate]

in the simplest terms, the east side of the map is getting alot of love that the west side just isnt really getting

hopefully with more map additions, things will change

[barren zephyr]

then dont play a stego, something that no one wants to try and kill. because its overpowered and got released to early

[sterile shale]

doesn't help there isn't much water in the west side either

[latent olive]

995 hours as we speak

[barren zephyr]

there is lol

[sterile shale]

It applies to anything, If I was any dino walking around with nothing to do I'd sacrifice it

[limber hull]

so many things can kill a stego lol, it's still funny that people think this. Deino is far worse

[sterile shale]

There is like 5 sources of water in the west side

[barren zephyr]

stego is hard to kill, when it mixpacks with anything

[barren zephyr]

more then enough

[limber hull]

i honestly think stego is exceptionally useless in mixpacks

[sterile shale]

yeah but then what happens when 1 deino gets in it

[barren zephyr]

the river is good, west rail and west rail access has water

[barren zephyr]

sp river has 2 sections of the river

and west rail access has a log that protects you

sort of

[sterile shale]

god forbid there is TWO DEINOS 😱

[barren zephyr]

there are still safe spots in sp river

and still bether then 2 deinos crammed into a such small body of water

[sterile shale]

ok but still, then water sources become hotspots when people spread out like east plains ?!?!?! 😱 😱

[barren zephyr]

bether the 75% of the map around one pond

[sterile shale]

there is no way to eradicate hotspots because some places in the map are just objectively better

like why would I sit in the middle of nowhere in a random jungle so it takes me 20 minutes to reach water, when I can just sit in the hotspot and any pond on the map and live there

so then at best 1 hot spot turns into a few

[barren zephyr]

sitting at east pond is basicly suicide

[sterile shale]

I mean that makes it fun? where's the survival horror of bush sim

[barren zephyr]

its not horror if you excpect death 5 seconds after

if thats what you are saying

[sterile shale]

Then just don't die?

you can run or fight back idk

[limber hull]

where's the survival horror of colosseum simulator

[barren zephyr]

a cerato cant run from 1 pachy and 2 tenos.

[sterile shale]

maybe the game isn't survival horror 👀

Im just saying people are naturally gonna go to water

[limber hull]

how is that the conclusion you jump to lol

[sterile shale]

and that's basically a hotspot

its just a joke haha

I think at best, players would spread out across different ponds, but that doesn't eradicate hotspots, but even then it's not spawn points causing that issue

[barren zephyr]

legacy has the same problem, nothing to do. but no spawn points. and seeing people spread out just proves my point bether

[sterile shale]

legacy had spawn points?

[barren zephyr]

bruh💀

legacy dosent have spawn points, and legacy achieves players spread across the whole map

[sterile shale]

oh lol

[barren zephyr]

because there are no spawn points

and i dont know how removing spawn points would make the game worse

removing spawn points*

but i think as a matter of fact, thy should take this action, when: more sanc's. more things to do in general

like maybe health care. clearing infections with mud or something

[sterile shale]

ok yeah that's what I was saying, removing spawn points before there is more stuff to do would just make the game more boring

[barren zephyr]

you didnt really make that point clear. but yeah

[sterile shale]

plus in legacy there as a lot more water

a lot more safe water too at that

[barren zephyr]

maybe if you sit still for to long, the dino would maybe get a stam debuff, but being more active like walking around at the younger stages would boost stam. and maybe strenght

[sterile shale]

idk maybe thats the mutation stuff

[barren zephyr]

it should be a general thing across all species imo

no matter what

[sterile shale]

But if you compare the maps it's obvious there's less water on gateway

[barren zephyr]

because the devs want you to walk around more

but maybe, due to east having all three AI's that people can feed on. just remove deer. deer should be more of a forest AI imo

since its deer

[sterile shale]

I mean the pond is usually safe most the time, which is why people go

and if it isn't they walk to the dome

[barren zephyr]

if they cant get perfect diet, they would have to go elsewhere

[sterile shale]

Yeah sure

[barren zephyr]

and remove goat maybe, there is turtle AI afterall

[sterile shale]

that's a good idea

that would be actual inscentive

I saw an idea about dynamic ai, where less players meant more ai, and more players meant less ai

[barren zephyr]

yes, that seems like a good idea, if there are a lot of players. just kill players, i none. you have AI

[sterile shale]

exactly,

[barren zephyr]

and maybe make AI follow migrations, so carnis have an actual reason to go there

[sterile shale]

well then people couldn't explore much because they're stuck to migration

[barren zephyr]

and if they can achieve this, removing spawn points might be a bether idea then doing it now

[barren zephyr]

migrations change anyways. they just need more migration spots

[sterile shale]

that would just take away from the pvp a bit I think

[barren zephyr]

maybe make south platau a migration for maybe dibble

more migration, but not more at once

i think a total of max 4. minimum 3 should be active for each species

at once

[sterile shale]

but you see what I mean? you don't need to remove spawn points to get rid of hotspots

you just need to add inscentive against hotspots

[barren zephyr]

hmmmm

[sterile shale]

I just don't think removing spawn points will do that because the inscentive is still there to just walk to the hotspot anyway

[barren zephyr]

but earlier, i said nesting could be more viable, if removing spawn locations. but maybe also add more incentive to nest. so that it would be viable

[sterile shale]

I don't think removing spawn locations adds inscentive to nest because it just makes it harder to find other dinos

[barren zephyr]

more incentive to nesting = more encouraged to nst in you friends = dont really need spawn locations

[sterile shale]

ig but it depends, if I log on with my friend at the same time Im not gonna wait for him to nest me in haha

[barren zephyr]

or just make spawn locations spawn you in a bigger area. like a random location in the entire north section

[sterile shale]

it nesting was actually more doable and rewarding then it'd be worth it

[barren zephyr]

nesting can give you (the hatchling) a diet boost.

[sterile shale]

then people wouldn't need spawn points, but doesnt mean they should be removed

[barren zephyr]

you litteraly get food right of the bat

[barren zephyr]

excactly

[sterile shale]

playing solo should be viable, some people don't wanna be nested in because it just takes so long

[barren zephyr]

but choosing somewhat wher you spawn is great

having 4 spawn points, entire east, entire north, entire south and the whole west

adds some choice with where you spawn, but you still somewhat spawn in the middle of no where

it adds more mystery imo

[sterile shale]

something like that

but even then I think the bigger issue is the game needs more content,

[barren zephyr]

yeah

[sterile shale]

ig sparring and stuff and like an alpha system for some buff or idk when in a pack would be cool

[barren zephyr]

natural disatsers, like water shortage. or volcanic eruption

diseases/infections

if you have a open wound for to long, you can get a blood infection maybe

that you can heal with mud maybe

this opens up new posebileties for mutations

or maybe add some kind of "play fighting" with your pack mates, to get extra dominance maybe

[signal knot]

Too complicated soup

[barren zephyr]

ok

[tight iron]

it isn't fun indeed but it's built to do that

it's supposed to be like that

the whole game is supposed to be in groups to make sure you are alive so yes you having to group up to survive is just the way it is and should be

[limber hull]

so don't play solo (and especially don't play herbi solo, or at all)

[tight iron]

exactly

[limber hull]

im sure that flies well

[tight iron]

i don't play herbi because eat grass and die

[urban flax]

And you are very right !

[tight iron]

and because ppl just turn on you at random times

boredom...

[urban flax]

However, consider :
You would be a greater addition to society if you were dead
So go and play herbi

[tight iron]

real

in all seriousness now ive played teno a few times and i really like it

however it can't be compared to raptor gaming

[native vortex]

Raptor gaming is inferior to herrera gaming 💯

[tight iron]

oh hell naw

[native vortex]

Hell yes, raptors are ugly

[tight iron]

WAT

raptors have the best skins and model 😭

[native vortex]

Herrera’s got better skins lmao and raptors are built like chickens

[tight iron]

i am going to die

blasphemy!!!!!!

herrera is ugly as heck and has terrible skins!!!

[native vortex]

Look at the raptors neck, he is Fr built like a snail

[native vortex]

Herrera’s got one of the best skins lol

[tight iron]

wow......................

[native vortex]

Yk that i’m right

[barren zephyr]

saying that a playable is superiour, because it has bether skins, ehhh. thats up to any induvidual. well tbf omni's B pattern is kinda goofy with the male display stripe

[limber hull]

i can make shadow the hedgehog omni and i think that's funny

[tight iron]

i know it's friendly banter

we ain't even serious

if he prefers herrera, great, enjoy it

[native vortex]

When they give him the biteforce of a Rex I will, he is too weak atm

[tight iron]

real

raptor should be able to 1 tap everything (real)

[barren zephyr]

Well Dilo solos both Herrera and omni

[barren zephyr]

yes

[native vortex]

Herrera decimates

[hollow mirage]

#general-feedback message @topaz epoch I completely agree!

I do think it should swim a tad bit faster in the water

Or at least be able to launch itself from the ground like a little torpedo

This would also be so awesome for herra

[radiant nest]

Anoles are so cool

[brave trout]

I really don't play Cera a lot but in Hordetesting my feeling right now is that it is pretty easy to maintain a perfect all-three diet

I'm assuming it comes from playing a massive scavenger that can brawl as well

[hollow mirage]

I think the bug of rotting a corpse turning it into only one nutrient is still here

organs and all

[brave trout]

I haven't tried vomitting on corpses yet

My bacteria gauge is full most of the time

[native vortex]

#general-feedback message

Why are ppl disagreeing😭

[lapis swallow]

because I dont want damage numbers

[limber hull]

because we're playing a dinosaur survival game, not a competitive FPS

[native vortex]

I see ur point but I meant it like smt u can have enabled + some dinos attacks are not set in damadge so it would help

[limber hull]

again, still not a competitive FPS, and they literally removed the health bar for the exact same reason they wouldn't add damage numbers

it makes the game meta as hell and encourages more number crunching than actually "being a dinosaur"

[native vortex]

Fair enough

[plush pumice]

@barren zephyr it doesnt not remove hotspots. people have maps and what not and will use them to find the hotspots

[barren zephyr]

i didnt say remove hotspots, its a start. and i did mention other things to help remove the hotspots, which is making migrations more viable for carnivores

[plush pumice]

not really its more of a chose on where u want to go because thats the choses u can spawn. because a dino haves to be in a sertern area for its kind. the spawn points are made for sertern dinos hotspot or not. i never said to remove them, it wont HELP them, BECAUSE people have maps and will always go there no matter what so it doesnt matter. spawn points are better because it lets u chose where u want to go and if u pick the right place with the right amount of people you will live. pick a hotspot u die. that easy. they have spawns for us because we wanted them for years. we dont want legacy back. its annoying

[barren zephyr]

did you even read the messages lol

[plush pumice]

no disrespect but like dude...weve been begging the devs for years to put in spawn points....

[plush pumice]

and i did ❤️

no need to be salty

[barren zephyr]

dosent look like it

[plush pumice]

carnivores are already moving around the map to go to migrations to get herbis for food when their hungry, because the herbi's diet is IN the MIGRATION..

[barren zephyr]

thats very obvious lol

[plush pumice]

then why complain about it.

[barren zephyr]

because it diosent aply to all carnivore players, common sense (if you have played the game)

[plush pumice]

i have played the game dont pull that on me because im not in the mood for bs ❤️ so pls stop being salty and calm down

the issue is slowly salving itselve

IF U play the game

u would see the diffence between the firstime gateway came out, the middle time ( Hotspot crazy), and now. people have gotten better to go around to map more.

[barren zephyr]

true

[plush pumice]

so yes some do go on killing srpies but there are LOTS of people who stay near but FAR from hotspots

i spawn at hotspots to get food and then run as soon as i get it and then just live off ai when i find it

but with hordtesting there is like no ai

like none

[barren zephyr]

there are some AI in horde test tbh

[plush pumice]

not even spawning with 20-30 players around

yes there are some

[barren zephyr]

AI did get rarer yes, but i still find some from time to time

[plush pumice]

like goats

they are common, deer are hard to find and boar are even harder now

its stupid

[barren zephyr]

deer has a overpopulatioon or something, but boar dosent excist lol

[plush pumice]

naw goat have overpopilation xD

they are EVERYWHERE

[barren zephyr]

EU has problems with deer tbh

[plush pumice]

so does na

im a na player

[barren zephyr]

ok

[plush pumice]

they need to fix the ping as well

[tight iron]

the 55 player queue:

[plush pumice]

but yes hotspot is a very bad thing but it will happen time to time because with new dinos people want to test them out so they go places they know where people are to test their skills

[tight iron]

the reason the servers go to hell is because of the amount of stress we put on them

[barren zephyr]

the problem is that migration need to be more viable/making none hotspots less viable

[plush pumice]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

all 3 diet AI's spawn at east, thats why people go there

so i say remove deer and goat from there, afterall they got turtles

[plush pumice]

and thats what u need to say in ur feedback, have the devs make the ai everywhere not just east. instead trying to make them remove spawn points....

[barren zephyr]

and places that originaly didnt have for an example goat, can have goat if there is migration there

[plush pumice]

weve worked so hard when legacy came out to have spawn points we can pick

and we finally have it and people already hate it

like bruh

[barren zephyr]

i still think that random spawn is fun, thats why there are people spread across the whole map on legacy to

[plush pumice]

i dont lol, because it could take u 30-50 mins to a hour to get to ur friend

[barren zephyr]

or just have it like one spawn is the entire north, one the entire east, etc

[plush pumice]

it takes u around 2 hours to get around that whole map

[barren zephyr]

nesting?

[plush pumice]

what if u want to nest with ur friend and ur both fresh spawn babies that want to grow

did u think of that?

[barren zephyr]

its an option

yes i did think of that lol

because some other guy said that in here a thousand times

[plush pumice]

cant forget that ur friend IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAM MAP

[barren zephyr]

^

[lapis swallow]

or let them just spawn near relevant migration zones

[barren zephyr]

like, if you spen 2 hours finding your damn friend, that is really only your problem, no disrespect btw

[barren zephyr]

yes, that may even be a bether choice

[plush pumice]

yea but at the same time u wouldnt like it if it was u would u mate

[barren zephyr]

i dont have friends that play the isle

anyways

[plush pumice]

THATS THE REASON WHY 😭

it already takes 10 min to find ur friend

because in the area u pick u get spawned randomly in the area

so ur friend might be on the other side on the area which takes like 10 min to get to xD

[barren zephyr]

but i like his idea a lot ^