general-feedback-discussion

[gloomy reef]

i like it how we was beefing at the start and now we are on solid grown attacking something we both dont like

[valid delta]

Lol Internet culture be like that.

[gloomy reef]

😭

[valid delta]

Hey! You suck!

No you suck!

Know who sucks more? That guy.

Yeah, that guy super sucks! Let's be buddies!

[gloomy reef]

😭

[molten lily]

REAL

then you both leave and never see eachother again

[valid delta]

Lol

Facts!

[molten lily]

"See you around" (see you never again*)

[gloomy reef]

Anyways ill prob go now

[molten lily]

same

[gloomy reef]

watch some yt vids

[valid delta]

Likely forget the name and just beef with the same person about the same thing 3 days later. Heaven help you if someone changes their channel name!

[gloomy reef]

good luck to yall

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-star-succession-gif-27712928

[molten lily]

"hey i know you"

"Girl htf r you"

[tight iron]

i typically don't go below 90-100 fps unless in east plains where i can go down to around 50

with max graphics

[mystic parcel]

either way its something that needs to be worked on in evrima because its extremely bad that a call sounds really close when its not.

[true quail]

#general-feedback message
hold up it changes from an orange to a red? I thought it was always just red and it increased in covering the screen to give a relative health measurement

[icy lion]

They're talking about the heartbeat on the character menu I think

[true quail]

ahhh

[icy lion]

Or they conflated the two

[stray oasis]

I'm also colorblind, and I have a question. Is it true that your heartbeat line is blue at full health?

[limber hull]

blue-greenish

[stray oasis]

Weird

[runic moat]

@eternal orbit I dont think people even try to ambush half the time and still ambush me just because I can’t hear them lol but if you have a hard time trying to set one up just use the storms or bushes and wait it’s incredibly easy especially if you play the game a bit.

[fading pecan]

@wooden condor I’m pretty sure what you’re talking about in your suggestion is dirt. When you run around a dirty terrain your Dino gets dirty and it only comes off if it rains or if you swim.

[wooden condor]

Not only in dirty terrain, in a tree, a Bush, in grass, when i log in...

[eternal orbit]

i know it’s technically possible to get the first bite off but after that the fights usually end up becoming a dogfight in an open field where the herbivore can easily see your whole pack and just aim at whoever is running in.

The fights usually devolve into a situation I think of as 1man with a baseball bat fighting 3-4 guys with fists.

I think with the new camera change and longer hunger timers there would be less Carnivores dying constantly and having to regrow AND less herbivores being hunted as hunger isn’t constantly a necessity.

Right now in the game if you play a carnivore and hunt other adult dinosaurs (especially herbivores) you’re guaranteed losing 1 or 2 pack members each hunt which is unsustainable.

I’ve got over 1k hours on evrima and regularly kill stego and teno. it’s not like i’m just new and don’t know how to play or never had successful hunts. it’s just probably the most unrealistic part of the entire game and i think at least trying the new camera style and seeing how it changes the state of the game would be worth it.

i appreciate you sharing your opinion though 🙂 i hope my reply didn’t come off as hostile or anything though cuz it’s not! we’re just dino fans discussing our favorite game lol ❤️

[mystic parcel]

ill be honest if you gaurenteed to lose pack mates from fighting any herbivore besides stego, thats on your group, if yall playing omnis or weaker carnis, then yes a tenonto will stomp a few heads in before it dies, which is realistic, not saying this in an aggressive way. losing 1-2 from hunting a stego is also understandable and realistic as its an apex herbivore in the current roster. and idk about your fighst but the ones our group do arent dog fights. turning it into a dog fight is what leads to death. the current camera system isnt an issue thast leading to dog fights, its also easy to sneak up, even in the middle of the fight, you can tell when the other player is focused on someone else, usually when against stegos.

[latent olive]

yeah, your character gets covered in dust/dirt if you go too long without swimming in water

it doesnt do anything or provide any downsides, its just a little thing

it also gives deinos the chance to snag anyone trying to bathe

[stable forge]

How would you different omni from a utah if they were to add utah

[urban flax]

Size
Feathering
Bulk
Gameplay

[idle briar]

@wooden condor hmm.. you can take shower with mud just tap it

[steady sage]

#general-feedback message
I don’t agree that the old health bar should be reinstated but I maybe that when you hover your mouse over the health bar it should say if your health is ”Good, Medium, Low, Critical” or something to that effect so you don’t have to see the colour to know your health

[desert arch]

@gloomy reef That version of the camera isnt coming to the game, it was just a concept they were trying out.

[limber hull]

@hasty fractal the vomit is the stun, it doesn't need another one

[gloomy reef]

i think it would prob be simular

[normal lotus]

Maybe?

[vagrant cave]

i do agree that stegos NV should be increased, ive played with a friend and she had to follow my teno ass to see where she was going, thats bad nv for stego, give em a bit more radius, poor stegos

[full pewter]

I think it just needs slightly higher brightness, not necessarily a higher radius

I’m fine with stego having bad nv, but nothing in game should be this bad

[vagrant cave]

yeah

[normal lotus]

Though the seeing further using smell and having something akin to the outlines on the margins of NV might be an interesting concept. If they're using it of course.

[full pewter]

Not a bad idea

[vital dock]

neither teno needs both tail and the kick stun, but here we are

[full pewter]

Clarify?

[urban flax]

Teno can't make other animals vomit

[vital dock]

he got his op stuns and damage long ago, so that doesnt make sense

[full pewter]

I think it makes perfect sense for teno, they’re very much a high risk, high reward prey animal

[desert arch]

Teno's stuns (compared of how long they used to be) are just an empty husk of themselves.

Werent update 4/5 stun times almost twice as long as theyre now?

[full pewter]

I don’t recall them being longer, all I can say is they feel fine right now

[desert arch]

I remember all stuns getting heavily nerfed when 6.5 came out

[urban flax]

Stuns have been all nerfed in update... 6 ?

[icy lion]

Stuns were universally decreased in length a few patches back

[vital dock]

everything got nerfed, but teno never

omni carno got demolished

[urban flax]

It did
Multiple times

[full pewter]

How do you hunt tenos anyway? Like you specifically

[desert arch]

teno literally only received nerfs from update 3, all the way to gateways second patch

[lapis swallow]

Omni is getting buffed next update

[vital dock]

u cant call these nerfs

just look at carno and raptor, then u ll see nerfs

[urban flax]

Teno has never been OP
It has been good at times, sometimes very good, but never OP
Omni and carno both had times when they were OP and needed nerfs

[desert arch]

have you played teno on gateway with a 9% stam cost on slam, and a 6% stam cost on kick? now that was bad

and it was like that for a good while too

[vital dock]

omni and carno were good but here in this herbie lover kingdom there were outcries for further nerfs

and oh no, never touch the teno

its the chosen one

[urban flax]

eat grass

[lapis swallow]

Imma Up Right Down Down Down this guy

[desert arch]

maybe you should, just so you can see both sides

[vital dock]

yes because u need 50 damn kicks

have you tried the carno ram??

[desert arch]

yeah it still deals good dmg

carno is a pain to grow, but fine otherwise

[wooden agate]

i LOVE SMALL GAME HUNTER CARNO

[vital dock]

u clearly dont see things sphericly

[desert arch]

instant charge carno was absolutely ridicilous

[lapis swallow]

How about you guys stop arguing and liberate Turing instead?

[desert arch]

more op than teno will ever be

[urban flax]

I'm on it

[vital dock]

it was ridiculous because was same level of ability as oh current teno

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-1471368634578542573

[vital dock]

and u love teno

[urban flax]

but I need more firepower

[vital dock]

so everything else must get nerfed

[lapis swallow]

UP RIGHT DOWN DOWN DOWN

Channel your inner democracy, it will be enough

[desert arch]

carno in that patch absolutely wiped the floor with everything, but omni. The teno vs carno matchup was pretty much non existant.

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-force-logo-flex-stare-gif-16553664

woah too much democracy

[desert arch]

Teno couldnt stop the charge, turn away from it in time, nor run away from the carno

[vital dock]

yes thats why u should utilize being in a pack

[urban flax]

HERE IT IS
THE TAKE

[wooden agate]

no animal should have to rely on being in a pack to survive

[desert arch]

hmm yes, because herd animals are good design

[wooden agate]

to thrive? sure, i guess

[vital dock]

3 carnos could never win vs full teno pack

[lapis swallow]

This one is getting reported to the nearest Democracy Officer

[urban flax]

The power is overflowing !

[wooden agate]

but to simply survive? absolutely not lol

[desert arch]

then get more carnos

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/ryder-chug-milk-dick-chugging-gif-22523469

[vital dock]

if the pack number doesnt make sense then make full teno pack at 3 as limit

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-badger-division2-gif-patterson-fire-a-warning-shot-gif-22721331

[urban flax]

why ?

[vital dock]

take a look above and u ll see why, your arguments are ridiculous

u re just blinded by your herbie love

[urban flax]

I think there is a part of carno you're missing
Small game hunter

[vital dock]

teno is small game

[urban flax]

not for carno

[desert arch]

almost as big as carno

[wooden agate]

what

[lapis swallow]

NUH UH

[urban flax]

They're roughly the same size

[wooden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-gif-18806029

[vital dock]

it just currently fills other roles as well

[desert arch]

small game is anything below 1ton Id say

[lapis swallow]

Bro must be from the netherlands or else I cant explain how teno would be small to them

[vital dock]

u clearly have no idea where it stands in the whole dino rooster of 60smth species

[urban flax]

And where does carno fit ?

[wooden agate]

i guess a 1 ton+ animal is considered small game now

[crude girder]

"Small" is a useless metric to apply in balance since it relies on a point of comparison and everyone uses a different point

1.6 tons IS small, compared to a rex

[urban flax]

I'm trying to use carno as a comparison

[vital dock]

indeed, but try to have an argument with these guys

[crude girder]

1.6 tons is huge compared to an Omni

and 1.6 is basically the same as 1.8

[vital dock]

yes

[lapis swallow]

So teno is not small game then?

for carno?

[vital dock]

it is compared to para

[wooden agate]

so you agree? teno isnt small game then if its basically the same as carno?

[crude girder]

It could be considered as small game depending on your definition of it

[wooden agate]

why are we bringing up para

[vital dock]

exactly

[crude girder]

Is small game "Smaller than me" or is it "Significantly smaller than me" for a given definition of significant

[wooden agate]

we're talking specifically about carno, therefore small game should be in comparison to him

[lapis swallow]

bro is doing the mental olympics

[crude girder]

to me, it doesn't really fit the vibe of small game to a Carno, but I could see the arguement

It has significantly less HP, as the 200hp difference is enough to add or remove 1-2 hits to kill

[vital dock]

yes, they just try to use this argument to explain the huge gap of power vs current teno

[crude girder]

Of course, Teno makes up for the objective lack of HP with CC allowing free hits following one of its secondary attacks, and the stability modifier negating charge

Carno of course can counter that by having generally better mobility and not being reliant on stamina to use its primary attack, a Teno on 0 stam is dead meat, a Carno on 0 stam is still a force to be reckoned with

[vital dock]

carno at 0 stam is kicked af

[crude girder]

So, if you use "It's smaller than I am" then yes, Teno I think fits, but it's still very capable of defending itself in a brawl

[lapis swallow]

so your argument is that teo is too strong because it beats carno at zero stam?

[crude girder]

If you think that small game also requires that they cannot hold their own in a straight fight, then no, it's not small game, but that's really less about the size and more the animal's individual abilities

[urban flax]

I'm not sure we want the fastest animal in the game to be consistently winning against a brawler of the same size

[vital dock]

also it cant afford to use his ability on the battle or he ll have to fight till valhalla, he wont have enough stamina to escape if smth goes wrong

its just go all in everytime

[crude girder]

In Carno's defense, one charge is usually the only thing needed to end the fight right then and there, it puts Teno on a huge health deficit

[valid delta]

Honey badger anyone? 🙂

[lapis swallow]

I am scared of this Emoji

[crude girder]

Good chunk of damage on its own + a follow up attack against a target that is already at a significant health disadvantage puts Teno dangerously close to dying to a face tank

[vital dock]

till one second teno arrives and chase him down at 0 stamina, end him with 3 kicks on the face

[valid delta]

😊

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[crude girder]

See that's where you lose me, why bring up the second Teno, but not the second Carno

[barren crater]

Don’t hunt 2 tenos as a solo Carno?

[wooden agate]

why should a carno be able to 2v1 a teno

[lapis swallow]

Me when two brawlers beat one ambusher

[urban flax]

I wanna say skill issue but that would be mean

[wooden agate]

ill say it for you, skill issue

[crude girder]

If you are arguging from the perspective of "But then the other Teno shows up" then what do you do when I say "But there's 40 carnos"

[vital dock]

because teno is a herd animal, usually they migrate together and are together

[urban flax]

two words
car nivore

[lapis swallow]

I say it for you, Krill Issue

[wooden agate]

not entirely true, no animal should have to rely on herds to survive

[urban flax]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-its-as-shrimple-as-that-not-so-shrimple-elden-ring-elden-ring-meme-gif-26027466

[crude girder]

True, it is a herd animal, and part of that means having the numbers to fend off attackers, which sounds like it is exactly what it's doing lol

[vital dock]

to survive, not to kick everything that moves

[urban flax]

the herd animal argument is the worst you could muster

[vital dock]

yes thats why he has way more bigger max group thatn the 3 carnos

[crude girder]

Carno is simply not given the tools to charge into a situation where it is outnumbered by animals that individually can fight it pretty well

[vital dock]

but that means statistically it will always be at a higher number

so carno needs to win that 1vs1

[crude girder]

That is not how the group limits are determined, and not what that means

[valid delta]

You don't see lions solo attacking water Buffalo herds for the same reason.

[crude girder]

Hypsi has a group limit of 10, when was the last time you saw 5 or more of them in one place at one time

[vital dock]

teno is not a water buffalo

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slap-eyeliner-gif-12924782275824041620

[vital dock]

they re about same weight

[urban flax]

Yeah, it's much bigger than a water buffalo
And meaner

[valid delta]

But you can understand the comparison thought, right???

[vital dock]

just stop interrupting with meaningless things

[crude girder]

This logic basically just sounds like "Teno can have a larger in game group, therefore it should NEED that larger group"

[urban flax]

no

[barren crater]

Not trying to jump you, but why do you want it that easy?

[wooden agate]

there is such a fundemental lack of understanding in here right now

im going back to the discussion channel

[crude girder]

when it's actually "Teno can have a larger in game group because, as a general rule, herbivores get larger groups than carnivores, and no one really cares about the in game group limit anyway"

[vital dock]

i want it like 55% percent on carno

[barren crater]

Idk man, I’d consider myself a Carno main and it’s not that hard to hunt tenos?

[urban flax]

bruh

[crude girder]

It's hard to hunt good Tenos, there are like 5 good tenos

[barren crater]

Even good tenos you can beat tbf. Not in a straight brawl though which makes sense

[crude girder]

Good Tenos are def killable, but a bad Teno is a walking lunchbox

[vital dock]

exp. tenos can fend off everything with ease

[barren crater]

Yep

[crude girder]

My Troodon singlehandedly bringing an adult Teno to its knees:

[crude girder]

Can? Yes. Do? Not usually no

And that's mostly because right now, Teno doesn't have many animals that can catch up to it and obliterate it

Allo/Alberto meanwhile:

[valid delta]

Not a thoughtful group of predators it can't. Maybe it can physically keep them away, but it's got to eat eventually. A smart group could starve one out pretty easily.

[crude girder]

Not every carnivore will have the tools to kill every prey species, and Carno is not the tool to solve a Tenonto that knows what it's doing

Def can win, and groups are honestly easier to kill because friendly fire, but it's by no means a walk in the park

Compared to say, Pachy, or Omni, which are largely just "Bite it a few times, GGs"

[barren crater]

2 carnos will kill confirm even a good teno if they’re competent

[normal lotus]

Omni and dilo have much better chances than a carno.

[crude girder]

For sure, tho again that's bringing up groups

Which at that point "Well what if I have 6 Tenos?!?!?"

[valid delta]

Are you suggesting that run to thing and spam click is not the only strategy available???

[crude girder]

vs "What if I have 20 carnos in a megapack?!?!?"

[barren crater]

Fair

[normal lotus]

Not 100% of the time. There's always factors that make any interaction go in drastically different ways.

[urban flax]

ok but what if I have your IP adress

[crude girder]

Generally I'd agree a good Teno can competantly defend themselves from a good Carno, but numbers help Carno way more than they help Teno

get a few Carnos together and you might even land a Charge lol

[lapis swallow]

you too?

[normal lotus]

I mean what about ambushing a teno?

[barren crater]

Charge….

[crude girder]

Generally not going to make a difference due to the run-up needed to CC

[urban flax]

no no I was just joking... unless..?

[lapis swallow]

115643e525354234526356

[normal lotus]

Fair.

[barren crater]

Ngl Carno is best played as a brawler rn. Tap ram is still potent.

[urban flax]

That's not my IP adress
That's my credit card number

[lapis swallow]

oh sorry
572354627245625t4

[crude girder]

If Carno wanted a free kill on Teno, before this, it was still pretty reliant on the CC, now it's got to work a lot harder for it, which I'm mixed about

[normal lotus]

I mean, it won't be the strongest for long.

[crude girder]

Carno isn't even the strongest right now lmfao

But it's strong enough, I'd like to see a rework to ram that is a bit less overcentralizing, but overall carno is a potent animal in the right hands against the right prey

[urban flax]

[barren crater]

I think I’ve said my piece on Carno a billion times… but yeah that would be necessary

[vital dock]

yes carno ability needs rework, i agree more than any nerf or buff

[barren crater]

Idk man, I just wish it was competent without charge 😭

[crude girder]

I think it is, otherwise it wouldn't be able to survive atm lol

It's just that without charge it's a bit lackluster, and charge isn't doing it any favors atm

[vital dock]

exactly

[barren crater]

I mean fair but a lot of players just run in a straight line idk man.

It’s an odd one

Do you balance around the average player or good players? Carno could quickly turn unfair depending on the latter

[crude girder]

there are plenty of good characters that are so good because people just don't play well against them lol

Carno atm is either an unstoppable demon, or a joke depending on your individual competancy with the matchup

[vital dock]

i see more like joke carnos around than any other species xd

[crude girder]

Clearly you haven't been in a teno herd

IQ drops by 90% once you get 2+ Tenos together

[vital dock]

:")))

[barren crater]

I’ve seen a single Carno drop my teno herd down to like 2 because they kept following it

Funny to watch but yeah

[crude girder]

Honestly, Carno seems like it does better hunting herds of almost everything

[barren crater]

That’s the playerbase 😭

I get it though. Casual isle is fun

[crude girder]

Pachy is probably the one exception where fighting a group doesn't make you more likely to get some kills

more domes = more chances for "Basically a kill" legbreak

[normal lotus]

I mean there's a guy on the horizon that's the same

At least from what we've seen.

[crude girder]

Being real, Diablos are going to be so halariously bad in herds without actual coordination

another Diablo is in the perfect position to gore your exposed back or side if you're too close

[barren crater]

I hope it has mediocre healing so I can chip away at them as Carno while stalking them

[normal lotus]

It seems like their alt attacks aren't all too swinging from the front.

[barren crater]

Stego part 2?

[normal lotus]

Unlike stego they can actually cover their bases relatively easily thanks to the hitbox being directly in front.

[vital dock]

they will need proper "shieldwall"

[urban flax]

Stego 2 : the thagomizing

[barren crater]

Little to do with the playable, more to do with the panic. People do goofy stuff

Ive done it a lot

[normal lotus]

True, which tbh is pretty realistic

[vital dock]

people do goofy stuff is half the isles joy

[crude girder]

It's funny, a solo player will, generally, play a lot better, because if they mess up, that's game. Grouped players will play a lot riskier because they can spread the damage across the whole group

so then you end up with people spamming attacks in the ranks without looking out for their teammates and the whole group takes like 3-4x more damage from each other than from you

[normal lotus]

Diablo seems to be really good if you are observant.

[vital dock]

always funny to see 5 tenos tail slamming everyone around them to catch 1 raptor that is messing with them

[crude girder]

I think it'll highly depend on its mobility. If it's too reliant on having something to cover its back, I could see it actually struggling pretty hard

[vital dock]

diablo and ceratopsians will just need to do a coordinated circle formation

[normal lotus]

It might not be too reliant

[normal lotus]

Da circle formation is the best formation

[crude girder]

It also only works in group play

[vital dock]

then 1 troodon gets in the middle of the circle at night and they ll start panicking

[normal lotus]

I more mean like in a 1v1 if you being observant. If you are a carno and a diablo sees you. And you're alone, there's a very slight chance you're gonna get it considering it can basically counter your strongest move.

[barren crater]

Ngl I don’t see Diablo being better than teno at defending itself? At least as it stands? I guess you’re better in 1 v 1s but teno can escape ceratos and never have to engage them? And also beat on them While also being able to decently fend off Carno

[crude girder]

I think Carnos are a non issue for Diablo, so long as it can keep its face pointed at them

[barren crater]

Diablo vs like 2 ceras is probs a gg ngl. Forced into a fight with the creature that can puke you and then lock you after that fact

Well not really a lock*

[crude girder]

Carno's low agility should make it easier to handle, but yeah, Ceratos, especially in groups, seem like a problem

[normal lotus]

But if a cera gets caught lacking they're going to get hurt a lot.

[crude girder]

'course that depends on how well Diablo can capitalize off a single hit against a Cerato

[barren crater]

Teno also has the mobility advantage. Diablo is just there. Too early of course but just basing off what we have in game with teno

[crude girder]

I'd be willing to tank a vomit or two if it means putting down one Cerato, with the other one unable to get past my frill

[normal lotus]

It depends on if the alt attack still has the damage of 350. If so a diablo can 4 shot a cerato with it.

[vital dock]

do you think a mutation on Dilo, changing his ability to the spitting venom like Hypsi's, but dealing also damage, would be bad?

[urban flax]

yes

[barren crater]

🤔 I guess. If puke wasn’t in the equation then Diablo would be pretty solid. First playable that actually has to really worry about it (well since the puke changes lol…) Since everything else can just run or are big enough to be relatively safe

[normal lotus]

In a 1v1 tho diablo is definitely going to be king.

[barren crater]

True.

[wooden agate]

i wish there was more of a way to make ceratos bile/vomit stuff more defensive rather than offensive but bleh

[vital dock]

okay then needs more buff

[urban flax]

does it ?
Last I heard dilo was doing pretty well
If not too well

[barren crater]

It’s busted ngl

[vital dock]

i speak of a mutation totally changing his tools but whatever, cant seem to comprehend

[tight iron]

dilo requires a nerf ngl

it is incredibly op

[barren crater]

^

[tight iron]

or just not touching it at all and letting it be at its current state

[desert arch]

Yeah it can casually facetank every single mid tier, aside from teno, till stage 3 and just rmb spam to win

[vital dock]

it was op, now its just a night threat as it should

[formal kayak]

We’re gonna be getting a “spitting” (sneezing.) fella sooner or later

[tight iron]

but add a buff and i'll run from a dilo over a deino alt biting my head

[tight iron]

it is still op

[barren crater]

It still is OP

[tight iron]

it has nice bleed

[vital dock]

yes nerf everything except teno

[tight iron]

it can blind you

[desert arch]

Dilo just needs a bite speed nerf, then its balanced imo

[tight iron]

no just balance stuff

dilo just spam bites you blinds you makes you unable to smell and kills you without touching you

and can catch up to anything but a carno

now tell me that's not op

[vital dock]

sometimes i wonder if we play the same game

[barren crater]

Not even close imo. Soon you won’t even be able to camp water or mud. They’re even looking into making it where climbing up a rock could possibly mean nothing.

[tight iron]

probably not

[desert arch]

Would be a start at least. Hit and run dilo would be so much better than the current one we have now.

[normal lotus]

Gallimimus:

[desert arch]

Last I heard it also outstams omnis. Which is... interesting considering it also outruns them by quite a lot

[tight iron]

fair enough

[tight iron]

i can guarantee to you that it does

[barren crater]

It doesn’t outturn omni

[tight iron]

it outstams and outruns rappies

[tight iron]

best defense for raptor fr

[vital dock]

rappies can just jump to a nearby rock or tree

[desert arch]

It can just outstam it though. You can only circle it so much

[tight iron]

indeed

[barren crater]

They’ll possibly fix that soon lol.

So as long as you’re bit it won’t matter

[tight iron]

with the ptera hallucinations we r done

[barren crater]

Yeah lol

[vital dock]

perfect

[desert arch]

Most rocks are also accessible to dilo as well, unless the omni jumps on a fence its not 100% safe

[vital dock]

rocks doenst spawn copies

its like venom stops existing

[barren crater]

Yeah venom should still be functional but

Dilo should be more involved in hunts

[vital dock]

try to 1vs1 a cera as dilo, its impossible

yet both have similar growth

cera pack is far more dangerous in general, some of u just cant accept that there is a new threat that u have to be able to deal accordingly

[urban flax]

I love how all your arguments always involve calling others bad

[vital dock]

i love how u fail to reach up to logical conclusions

[barren crater]

I mean it takes 1 bite to the head at night to envenomate a cera so I’d consider it not impossible

[urban flax]

Thanks for confirming what I was saying

[vital dock]

1 envenomation is not enough to bring him down even if u manage to ambush him, he ll get hurt but he can still win after if he plays safe ( we always speak of 1vs1)

i was able to fend off a full dilo pack with multiple envenomations at night as a cera

[barren crater]

What’s playing it safe? Camping places the venom can’t spawn?

[vital dock]

no, be able to respond and counter attack

and to locate the real dilo

[barren crater]

4 dilos couldn’t bring down 1 cera at night?

[vital dock]

yes

they normally should and can, but its manageble

u need to be able to seriously hurt them

before they all envenomate u

then they wont bother to risk it and the envenomation will pass

[barren crater]

What’s stopping them from envenomating you? You don’t have the damage to stop them as a cera. Especially at night since all they need is one good bite

[vital dock]

cera is very strong if u play your cards right

they have very bad bleed resistance

also they dont have good hp, 2 bites and they ll go off battle

[barren crater]

It’s not so bad that 1 or 2 bites will be the end of them

[vital dock]

2 body bites will do the trick

if 1 head bite will do wonders

[barren crater]

400hp left with 2 body bites which is still yellow health? Not that bad

[vital dock]

yes compare to the cera hp

he can tank way more hits

u just need to be able to win the trades as cera

[barren crater]

It doesn’t matter when you’re a pack. You have more collective hp and can trade and easily get hits in for free with numbers as a cera can’t look at all of you

[vital dock]

if u put a body down, he ll have even more resistance to deal with the dilos

[barren crater]

Especially with venom doing some of the work

It’s free damage.

[vital dock]

yes pack is hard, and dilos should win indeed

but i say its manageble

i have done it at the most difficult setting

[tight iron]

imma be honest

winning a 4v1 against dilos as a cera is practically impossible

you have to be insane against awful players

they can just walk up to you spam bite and goodbye

[vital dock]

its not, i have done it, they just went all of them to trade hits at the start because they thought they can facetank me

[tight iron]

you should've died there

dilos do quite a lot of damage

[vital dock]

yes but i charged bite

[tight iron]

4v1 tho...

not saying it never happened btw

i trust that it did happen

[vital dock]

they cant all 4 bite me at the same time and they all came in for free bites

[tight iron]

so those dilos have to have like 15 fps and worst players ever

[tight iron]

actually... they can

head tail and sides

or even all 4 biting a side

[vital dock]

no way sherlock

[tight iron]

im surprised you didn't die

[vital dock]

ofc they can and should

we speak about the extreme here

[tight iron]

i see i see

[radiant nest]

@valid delta that’s all planned, the current young banana bush is supposed to be more normal, it just hasn’t been fixed yet. I’m hoping it gets fixed in the next patch, given that the next patch we’ll also be getting a bunch of new foliage

[vital dock]

@molten lily just go a bit west from east plains pond, you ll find a safe river to drink, let the crocos starve at the pond

its very very close

[molten lily]

thanks ^^

[limber hull]

wake up
see an entire argument about why teno should be carno fodder by a dude called "Mr Carno" with a carno pfp

god damn everyone had fun without me :(

[mystic parcel]

theyve been at it for a while now lol

[limber hull]

i know right, just scrolled through

god it looked so fun :(

[valid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-good-news-good-news-something-good-i-got-a-mail-positive-gif-15789524

[radiant nest]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-john-hammond-yahoo-jurassic-park-yahoo-john-hammond-yahoo-gif-21207753

[worthy plover]

Honestly i would think that it would kind of be a coin toss between who would win if two equally skilled players faced off as teno and carno. Same with cera. That's a good thing, adds some challenge that can be overcome without being too easy or impossible and makes it more satisfying when you finally win. I don't play teno or carno, but that's what i think it should be like between dinos in the same weight class.

[limber hull]

having it be 50/50 between teno and carno actually is bad for teno

because teno is slower, it's on the defending side. Carno has the speed to both engage and disengage, teno does not. It NEEDS the combat advantage

[worthy plover]

That's a fair perspective

I could understand that

[limber hull]

Also, carno is designed to punch down a fair margin

[worthy plover]

what like mainly go after raptors and smaller midtiers like cera

[limber hull]

raptors, pachies, gallis, dilos are carno's best bets

[worthy plover]

ah, now i have a reason to say i suck at carno. I've been going after things that are too big. Yes cough cough

[limber hull]

dilo especially is an excellent choice, but sadly it's not on carno's (or anyone's) diet

catching a dilo out in plains at day is a bad sign for the dilo

[uncut zephyr]

I kill dilos with my great swarm of locusts

[urban flax]

@acoustic palm The new camera aint first person, you'll still be able to see your dino

[narrow nova]

@limber hull you are always the first ❌.I really curious what's your better idea？

[edgy summit]

@livid rover we already have that

I think at least

[livid rover]

I dont play evrima and the last time i played it i didnt see that

[edgy summit]

They added it recently

[livid rover]

🐟

Feeling stupid abt that ngl

[topaz ruin]

Can someone tell me how to join a singapore or a server where i can play and speaks engish

Cuz every server i get is 400 ping and everything is in an asian language

[lost falcon]

I got stuck in a tree. How can I get rid of it?

[acoustic palm]

That’s reassuring, I just like being able to see the dinos whole body 😄

[summer thistle]

He put an x on the thing about render distance that had no reason not to be added

[limber hull]

if its for optimisation (something this game deeply needs more of), i'm fine with a little break in immesrion

[ruby sierra]

Only if he read the feedback that if it's for performance reasons, it should be only for lower render distance settings

@cinder haven it would only lower your fps if you have max graphic settings, you can still lower your settings and have the same fps

[jovial hazel]

It would definitely be good to have as an option, as long as no matter what it rendered before players. I think it just shouldn't be any kind of priority for now, maybe QOL option later on.

Maybe it's a simple thing and devs can easily do it where it wouldn't affect gameplay.

[ruby sierra]

I mean that didn't happen in spiro, so it shouldn't be too big of a deal to make it work in gateway too

[jovial hazel]

I feel like the amount of buildings and stuff has increased a lot with gateway. Why would they remove it randomly if it wasn't causing issues?

But I agree, would be nice to have as an option. I just think most people vote no on stuff that is pretty low priority and don't want to feel like it would be worked on before what they want. 😂

[gloomy reef]

@limber hull

brodie are u good like fr? what the hell do u have against that

[desert arch]

Salt rocks drain diet, as far as I can remember

If its not in the game already, then its an upcoming change

[gloomy reef]

u rlly think i want to travel half the map to eat salt and then worry about water afterwards

[desert arch]

eating salt doesnt drain your water

[gloomy reef]

i am thiking about pot aint i

still aint traviling half the map for salt

by then i would prob starved out diet out

[desert arch]

there are quite a few around the map

each big area usually has 1 at least

[boreal briar]

I heard the salt thing is coming as well. Its more for resetting a full diet, probably not just a single extra bite of food

[fading pecan]

@livid rover your suggestion is already in game. When I click on a server I can see my Dino and its hunger and thirst, as well as its growth.

[hidden mist]

Tbh I haven’t noticed any improvements since they added that. Swamp still lags really much when watching from above if the “Effects” setting is set to [High] or [Epic]. River Delta lags too in the same situation, so I think it’s more about water rendering or idk… Definitely not vegetation for now? If only they finally fixed “Foliage Physics”, which doesn’t work with “Effects” set to [Medium] and below, then I could tell more. But still, vegetation movement is supposed to be visualised only within a 5 m radius around the player, so I don’t believe that this setting would lower my fps from 60 to 40 just by, as I said previously, looking at the Swamp from the highlands

[hidden mist]

Oops where’s my reply. To this

[livid rover]

And i will say it again. I didnt play evrima for a while and the last time i played it this mechanic was not in the game

[limber hull]

so why make the feedback if you haven't even checked the most recent build lol

[livid rover]

I heard some friends a lil while back talking about the fuct that is really stressing that u cant see the dino u have on a server so i thought it would be cool to have it

I feel stupid abt it now :(

[urban bear]

@ruby sierra I'm pretty sure nanite is not implemented yet

[urban flax]

It is, but not for every asset

[urban bear]

do you know what has it right now?

[urban flax]

Trees, probably some terrain and rocks
And I think the domes do too

[ruby sierra]

One of the dev blocks few months ago they said all gateway assets were converted to nanite

[urban bear]

ah ok, this suggestion here was talking about it so I was curious
#general-feedback message

[urban bear]

Grass among other things are still being converted

[ruby sierra]

I'm not sure about the grass but most of the other stuff is, they just use a culling distance so they disappear when you go farther

[urban flax]

Last news grass wasn't nanited

[vital dock]

@grim halo just avoid sitting down, u get dirt on u each time u sit. If u dont wanna take a bath just wait for the rain to clean u

[normal lotus]

@odd shell don't worry, they're working on adjusting the frequency of storms and the Brightness during them

@gloomy reef For diets they are working on diet slots being cleared via salt licks iirc.

[odd shell]

i swear dude its every morning it storms the whole day im lucky if i get ten mins to play outside of night vision, which sucks cuz the game is so pretty

[normal lotus]

That should hopefully be at the very least mitigated

[drifting rose]

bruh why does the bots check marks and x marks always break on me damnit

like this thing hates me

[urban flax]

It's not broken for me

[drifting rose]

yea same it just took 5 minutes longer than usual

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message

I would definitely like to see some of these especially the geysers and tundra biomes
Dondi talked about making an even larger jungle area in one of his streams but I think it would be nicer to have some of these biomes instead of a hard to navigate jungle
If the devs dont do this then hopefully mod support can allow us to create our own maps in the future
Also im not saying I hate Gateway I just would like to see other types of biomes besides jungle

[latent olive]

@limber hull if you want an idea on what the skaven from Warhammer sound like, here’s the post for you

#general-feedback message

[limber hull]

it is a very funny post

[uncut zephyr]

Make Carno-thing big-big yes?

[limber hull]

@desert hornet Generation 2 humans (the one that are smart and have guns) likely will be incapable of eating dinos

you better not

no you won't

you haven't the courage

[desert hornet]

that sounds so boring, specially since we get to use guns

[limber hull]

they aren't hunters

the point is survival horror, not dino hunter sim

[desert hornet]

I'll stick with the dinos then. Seems unrealistic to be a human in a game of survival and not have to survive

[limber hull]

you do have to survive

you just don't eat the dinosaurs. You eat rations, plants or maybe the AI animals

if you wanna eat the dinosaurs, generation 1 humans are for that

[desert hornet]

Seems weird to only have one gen eating food

[uncut zephyr]

Why are you like this you absolute freak

[limber hull]

he's lonely :(

[desert hornet]

at least when both will interact with dinos

[uncut zephyr]

That’s so sad, I can’t relate

[limber hull]

both will interact, but the devs wisely don't want humans to hunt dinos with guns

because that REALLY is not fun for the dinos

[barren crater]

<@&933486433342222376> I might be blind but 😰

[limber hull]

goodness

[desert hornet]

Like they were'nt going to hunt dinos anyways? Whats the point of them having guns then

[uncut zephyr]

Clearly the guns should kill instantly and the humans should be on the offensive

[limber hull]

getting mighty promiscuous

[limber hull]

self-defence

[uncut zephyr]

Literally the only reason to have guns in a game like this

[barren crater]

banned

[limber hull]

for fair criticism no doubt

[uncut zephyr]

Can’t wait for the reddit post

[oblique crown]

[desert hornet]

Welp I just hate that humans will even be in the game to begin with, ruins the dinosaur survival experience in my book. Just thought cooking might help ease my grudge a little bit, help human playthrus be more interactive, pointfull, and fun

[limber hull]

cooking likely will be in

[latent olive]

im late to the party, explain to me what hath conspired

[limber hull]

just not cooking dinosaurs

[latent olive]

cooking other gen 2s

[limber hull]

promiscuous loner seeking attention and being rather explicit

[latent olive]

maybe a big POT for me and the CULINARY CANNIBALS to throw TINY TWO LEG MEN into

[barren crater]

i took a screenshot of the short interaction they had

[dry falcon]

@barren zephyr so kinda like optifine's zoom?

[urban flax]

gen 1

Actually I would love a cooking system for Gen 1 that is a bit like Breath of the Wild, in that it has unbelievably fancy names for dishes that are just 5 whole lizards thrown into a cauldron
"You cooked : Supreme fried meat chops ! (ingredients : 4 human legs, 1 rock)

@worthy plover That's because herrera's jump distance has been reduced since the beta version. So you gotta aim higher to reach further.

[worthy plover]

Yeah, but im talking about branches on the same tree, you know the really tall ones with the network of branches on top. Even with branches that are like 10 feet away, i have to aim really high to even get the aim symbol. Wish i had a video clip to show you

Im not talking about long jumps, but really short jumps between branches. Plus when a branch splits into two paths you can't really choose which path you go and have to end up wasting stamina jumping anyway

[urban flax]

Yeah that's because of jump distance reduction
It was reduced a lot

[worthy plover]

damn that's crazy

Wish they would reduce the stam cost for jumping then considering herrara probably jumps the most in the game

[urban flax]

Yeah that would be nice

[worthy plover]

yeah

[urban flax]

Herrera spends a lot of stamina for just moving around

[worthy plover]

yeah, i don't know why herrara doesn't have a stam cost reduction for movement in trees, it's the same with pteranodon. A minute or two of movement and it has to rest for twice that long. Hopefully they address it whenever the next update is in a couple of months

[dry falcon]

And that's also how throwing/jumping works

Like, if you were to shoot a bow from a distance, you'll have to aim slightly up

Instead of directly at the target

[latent olive]

I like the idea of gen 1s using French cuisine names for things like (4 boar carcasses)

[dry falcon]

Will there be appearance based mutations?

[latent olive]

as far as we know, no

Most likely as a way to keep player models/silhouettes recognisable

[dry falcon]

alr

I was interested in knowing how we could ever get dinosaurs such as torvosaurus

Like a mutation from allo

Or just a mod

[latent olive]

Nah, mutations aren’t literal

[dry falcon]

oh

[latent olive]

They’re more like perks/bonuses you earn

[dry falcon]

Fair enough

[barren zephyr]

sorry , i didnt know Optifine. I was thinking on some kind of zoom that would exist with some species and maybe have a x2 or x3 amplification depending on the dinosaur. For instance, a pteranodon should have a nice zoom , but a cerato probably have a little one or no zoom at all.

[unreal arrow]

hi. I just played stego on server EU5. I was 50% growth and went to swamp to new migration. I played with my friend. I saw a group of 6 or 7 stegos and they decided to attack us and killed me. Is this kind of behavior ok on the server?

[icy lion]

There's no gameplay rules on official servers

[unreal arrow]

ok thx for the answer

[stone river]

@vital dock yes, the attacks are strong, but since a few patches they also cost an insane amount of stamina. Most Carnis who know this often bait and drain the stamina. Adding a DMG nerf to it would be too much

@vital dock Personally, I currently find Tenos to be very well balanced because of the strength but also the endurance costs.

[vital dock]

endurance costs? 50 kicks? do u even know what stamina costs carno's ability?

and even to keep the stamina and damage, i dont know WHY it needs 2 stuns, tail and kick

this is even more powerful, u can chain combos that can ruin everything for ONE wrong hitbox or desync

[stone river]

you can hit significantly less than 50 times with it. It only feels like 10 to 15 times, I haven't counted it exactly yet. But the fact is that I'm often almost out of stamina before I've even hit the bait

[vital dock]

teno just needs to stun one time and then chain the kicks to send u to selection screen

[stone river]

But maybe you just had different experiences. Personally, I find stegos and deinos, for example, to be far too strong and hardly counterable. But others will probably have a different opinion

[vital dock]

stego and deino take way way more hours to grow and are pseudo apexes if not pure apexes

teno is just a low tier

his power is way too high for his growth time as well

[jovial hazel]

Teno can definitely kick over 50 times now.. you might be thinking about before a few updates ago.

2% kick cost, 3% tailslam cost

[stone river]

As I said, in my opinion Tenos are not too strong, but rather well balanced. apparently others see it similarly

[jovial hazel]

It should definitely be tweaked some.

And I would say kick might do a little too much bleed. But rest seems fine.

I could even see a shorter stun on kicks to bigger targets.. maybe, depending on how the stam costs feel.

[vital dock]

"others" the 10 guys that spend all day in this discord and play only teno and stego

[vital dock]

yes mate, at this point anything devs think is enough for nerf, i wouldnt have an issue, either be bleed, stamina, damage or his op stuns

it just needs a nerf, he is good at everything

with 0, ZERO drawbacks

[jovial hazel]

That's just untrue. It's just very good at defending against overaggressive less-skilled players.

I honestly suggest trying some teno, it helps a lot to learn the best way to fight something by playing it.

[vital dock]

i have played lot of teno as well, thats why i say its very powerful!

2500 hrs in game

[jovial hazel]

Nice

[vital dock]

i just dont let my feelings of having a "main" or "favorite" that needs to be OP and everything else nerfed overcome my judgment

teno is good playable, its just way above everything else

and btw no, my favorite isnt even carno

i just use this name for fun

[vagrant cave]

if you kick a carno and the carno has its head behind you theres a chance the kick CAN stun you cause you hiting its head, i know from playing teno, and i dont think its to powerfull. ive been killed many times and killed others, and i agree with hasi, i see it too as balanced, the stam drain is allot on teno. its not op, try dilo and see what op with that venom, dilos against me as teno, well i find it hard to kill em if you find the right person who knows how to play it

[vital dock]

dilo vs teno at day is a joke

raptor is more dangerous

which again is a joke with his unreliable pounce

if a dilo or even 2 of them manage to envenomate a teno during day, they totally deserve to eat

[vagrant cave]

i having way more easyer time against raptor now i know that they will try drain your stam or bleed you, if you can stay calm and avoid that its not to hard to beat a raptor

ive also been raptor and i dont find the pounce buggy or so at all, just have to pounce them from the side, not hard to do

[vital dock]

dilo and raptor have the same playstyle against teno, raptor just has way better agility than dilo so its more dangerous, easier to bluff, easier to avoid teno attacks and easier to get in for a quick bite

pounce is unreliable most of times

wont work and send u to select another dino\

[vagrant cave]

well i use front claws allot as teno to beat raptors, sometime tail, cause they think i will use tail more xD, well i never had problem with the pounce, dunno why people have problems lol maybe ping, latency, server? i dunno, but i do not have that problem

[vital dock]

nevertheless, its being getting fixed as i have seen, so thats good news

[stone river]

Of course the Teno is currently strong, in my opinion it is also better than the Stego. But another point: If you want to fight as Herbi, you currently only have two options, Stego or Teno. Drya and Hypsi are victims, Pachy can't do much either. If Teno were to be nerfed now, then there would be almost nothing left that could defend itself effectively

[vital dock]

well i find this temporary "solution" the only reasonable answer as to why they have him be so strong my friend

but again this, needs to change as they release more herbies

i too think they made him fill more roles in the current species

[vagrant cave]

just wait and see when they add in more dinos and you will regret that xD

[vital dock]

because of absence of more powerful ones

it would be nice with diablo release to nerf teno finally and make him be in line with other playables at his tier

[stone river]

In comparison, almost every Carni performs much better, i.e. in terms of defensive ability. If Tenos were annoyed now, I would probably leave The Isle alone until I had more options other than running around with ultra slow, night-blind stegos

[vagrant cave]

dont think teno gona be nerfed tbh, many dont want it so i dont think thats gona happend

[vital dock]

yes its the reason why some players who are obsesed with herbies play

also the lack of herbie gameplay is another problem that needs to be adressed

[vagrant cave]

its the only main i like, thats the reason cause there are to few dinos to play atm

its also why people play teno

[vital dock]

carnivores arent stronger, are just more fun cause it feels more rewarding having to hunt than just go to a migration and eat and then sit like an ai there

thats the pure reason why people choose to play carnis more

[stone river]

Personally, I prefer to play Herbie because I don't want to be forced to kill players. Currently only Teno is fun because I rarely play in groups and he can win in 1v1. But I can hardly wait until Diablo, Trike, Maia, Para...until they're all released

[vagrant cave]

like i can give an example, i am in a server with nice people i played teno, and one admin that i like wanted to 1vs1 me with different dinos, that time i wasnt realy good at it, he tryed carno against me we tied like 5/6 times, like both where 4 to 6% near death, both fully adult

like i dont think its the dino but it is the player who plays the dino that is the issue, no offence.

that is also a good reason why i got better as teno cause i learn how to counter the carnivores

[vital dock]

my favorite herbie is Anky, but Para is such a loved one as well

[stone river]

my favourites in Legacy was Diablo and Para

[vital dock]

sure skill can achieve everything, but balance shouldnt be based on individual skill, it needs to be around the casual player

[vagrant cave]

true but that is most likely imposible to do, cause how you gona get a player on your same lvl? people plays different and does wierd things hehe + they learn how to play the dino the more they play it

[stone river]

The more dinosaurs there are, the harder it will be to balance, but I think it really depends on the respective players. Personally, for example, I'm very bad with Utah, but I know people who kill everything with it alone xD

[vital dock]

yeah ofc its on skill, raptor is one of my favorites, i managed to solo even carnos back at Spiro map

indeed having to balance all this stuff is extremly hard

with the current stamina i doubt it is possible anymore, which is fine by me

[hasty fractal]

I think that many herbivores are unnecessarily strong and that they should be forced to roam in packs in the game because it is very unreasonable for a herbivore to easily take 60-80% of a predator's health. If you want a real game you should support this view.

[vital dock]

totally agree, they feel so strong now that they just roam the map looking to cause troubles to random carnivores

[hasty fractal]

I feel like I'm in the final boss while fighting them. XD

[vital dock]

yes, u just eating some stuff and u see random teno screaming and running around hunting everything it can see

[hasty fractal]

It has many features such as running and kicking. Although super predators such as Carno and Cerato have large mouths and horns, they are very weak compared to Tenonton. In the next update, Diabloceraptops will come with 300 bite force, so what should Ceratosaurus with 150 bite force do now?

[vital dock]

teno simply has everything good with zero drawbacks, its just nuts. I cant speak for dibble yet, we'll see after they release it

also its very funny that teno has even jump ability, like why??

[hasty fractal]

Once you've had the alt attack horn, you'll understand what I mean 😄

[hasty fractal]

Jump ability no problem but they have 4 different attack

[jovial hazel]

They can JUMP!?!?

[vital dock]

its problematic when they come to bully someone and then they can just jump on a nearby rock to heal if they mess up

[hasty fractal]

I don't know but this not reality

[vital dock]

yes its out of touch clearly

[dry falcon]

Optifine is a mod for Minecraft that has a zoom built into it.

[tight iron]

it's actually possible

i like trying against carnos and im always very very close to killing them till they either kill me or severely wound me

[lunar bay]

and look at tenonto fans thinking it's bad that people want to make them less powerful...

[bold mason]

https://www.google.com/search?q=zebra+fights+back&oq=zebra+fights+back&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTINCAEQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAIQABiGAxiABBiKBTIHCAMQIRiPAjIHCAQQIRiPAtIBCTkwOTlqMGoxNqgCALACAA&client=ms-android-mpcs-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:2077ea1f,vid:C6aOUfW02ds,st:0

[lunar bay]

Oh, sorry. I didn't realize we were talking about zebras and felines... my mistake!

[bold mason]

we are talking about herbivores and carnivores

and that zebra kick is pretty spot on to teno kick seems pretty legit to me

[lunar bay]

I WAS JOKING

my problem is with the tail

what it seems to me is that people want an extremely powerful dinosaur just to feel stronger

they don't want balance, they want a huge difference in power

[bold mason]

cera carno even herra all have a good chance to kill teno np, not to mention dilo

if ur talking about powerful dino and ur not the steggo????

[lunar bay]

Yes, stego is strong, but tenontos cause much more problems. Firstly because of its completely different speed, then because of the time to 100% which is faster...

Not to mention stamina...

I won't be followed by stegos, unlike tenonto players...

[bold mason]

just a point if view, if u play deino steggos follow u all the time

[lunar bay]

I never saw this

And, citing your example with the zebras, are they going to feed on the lions so they can attack? Or do they DEFEND themselves?

[bold mason]

i mean i doubt they eat it but im sure they will kill for some reason who knows forsure why

[lapis swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1187576325574238238/text.gif

[lapis swallow]

zebras are controlled by a zebra brain. the tenos in the game are humans, so they are gonna think like humans and act like them. Humans take fights they know they can take and defend eachother, because that is what humans do.

It makes sense for tenos to fight back

[lunar bay]

An example: I (carno) had just gotten out of a fight with dilos. After I fed and left the area, 2 tenontos and 1 pachy came out of the bush where they were hiding (and I had seen them, I didn't engage in combat precisely because I was at a disadvantage) and chased me for a long time until they managed to kill me.

[lapis swallow]

yeah, nothing wrong with that

[lunar bay]

I know this perfectly, THEREFORE I think it's plausible that it will be nerfed.

[lapis swallow]

why? they had the numbers and you were injured

if two tenos and a pachy cant take out a injured carno, game balance would be horrible

[bold mason]

ya why bc you got 3v1d every other teno has to suffer now and be nerfed? that makes no sense man

[lunar bay]

?? 'Cause there's no reason to do this

With that thought, make carnivores eat grass too

[bold mason]

the reason is what he said bc teno have human brain and its fun to kill they dont wanna just eat grass and die...

[lapis swallow]

you cant expect for herbies to not attack you until you decide to fight them

[lunar bay]

And there is definitely the point: "its fun to kill"

[bold mason]

also herbies kill all the time in real life just bc something was in their area

[lunar bay]

You assume it's fun to have fun with others being unhappy.

[lapis swallow]

Murdering stuff in the isle is like the main thing to do

[bold mason]

its a pvp game man nobody really wants to make u unhappy lol its just how u win the game

[lapis swallow]

you ever wonder why many people deem stego as boring

[lunar bay]

well, real life too...

[lapis swallow]

Huh?

[lunar bay]

ksksksksksk

os cara pensam que a gente brinca em serviço

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[lunar bay]

a comida da favela é bala, sabia menó?

[lapis swallow]

Dont know what you said, could you repeat that in english please

[lunar bay]

ué, o servidor não é pra todos? fala meu idioma, poh

ah, verdade... gringo só olha pro próprio umbigo...

[lapis swallow]

you are wrong, content must be posted in english

[icy lion]

@lunar bay Check out rule 7, please #rules-and-info

[lapis swallow]

also, that was a weird thing to say

[bold mason]

gringo eh....

[lunar bay]

Forgive me, ADM. I will not make such mistakes again.

[lyric cosmos]

Did Brunera die again and now wants the devs to rebalance the game around the circumstances of said death? I haven't scrolled up to read yet.

Yep, okay... Next...

[brave trout]

Is it me or is The Isle aiming for a re-launch of sort ? I feel stupid I never noticed before but if we think on it, they recently started changing icons and I think they also very recently changed more images on steam. Evrima is their testing branch and until now I just completely forgot about that fact, I had reached a point where Evrima was The Isle because it's (In my opinion) a lot better than Legacy but I feel like we lost track of how things really are.

Considering the changes in icons and images, new mechanics, new dinos and sooner than later mutations, reworked light system and let's not forget Humans.
Mutations and humans will especially change the tide of the game so this is why I had a struck of 'Enlightenment', is this the Devs process for a proper re-launch on U5 ? Unless I'm wrong, I think I recall Dondi saying that The Isle's launch didn't meet his personal standards as a developer and well owner of the game.

Am I just insane ?

[icy lion]

Evrima will eventually become the base game and replace legacy, so I guess so yea

[brave trout]

It would be nice, I feel like The Isle deserves this kind of re-launch and by all means anyone can feel free to disagree but The Isle did give birth to this genre of game and Dondi saw its potential and the community it had and the rest it attracted into and decided to go with it. After all the new features are added I really think and feel this game will deserve this "Re-launch", actually I think the whole process will likely be seamless or gradient. What I mean by that is that when Humans will drop in, the human gameplay will attract another community which will likely be people who play your typical survival game (Ark, Rust, Conan and so on..) who prefer playing humans and never really were interested in playing dinosaurs because preferences.

[dry falcon]

Make him eat Indian food

[dry falcon]

Just looked at the store page and damn.. those reviews

[brave trout]

My favourite is the one with 25 hours saying : "This was a pretty awesome game once ", they say that like they played for 5000 hours.

[barren crater]

"1 teno can easily kill 3 carnos"

[dry falcon]

Lol

[minor field]

its rather shrimple, akshually

[limber hull]

3 terrible carnos can easily die to a teno, is more like it

[limber hull]

@worthy ivy humans will be playable (also there's no scientists left on the island, it's been abandoned for a while)

[worthy ivy]

@limber hull I know they will be playable but I would rather eat them as Carnivores, I feel playing Humans would be boring in this game, and not sure about the "lore" about the humans on this game but scientists would be cool

[limber hull]

you don't have to play them

other people will, so you can eat humans

[worthy ivy]

If I have to wait for people to play them that would get boring fast, I would rather AI's with voicelines yelling running for there lives, finding them at buildings, like I said Scientists don't fight back so they run and you hunt would be cool

[limber hull]

wdym "wait for people to play them"

i feel like hunting braindead AI humans is far more boring than hunting player humans

[worthy ivy]

Server Cap 100 on Official servers most people wanting to probably play a Dino on a Dino game so barely anyone would play Humans I think unless they added alot to them like crafting, building, objectives, once they get introduce I have a feeling its just running and shooting

also Huge map

[limber hull]

humans are going to be able to repair structures, gather loot, use vehicles, so on. They'll have enough to do, and besides, people want the horror experience that humans provide

[worthy ivy]

Well I guess just my opinion, reminds me of the old Jaws game eating the humans once you break free was a blast, to bring that to this game would be fun

[limber hull]

they are adding an AI to human structures tho

rats

i love rats

[worthy ivy]

?

you want to hunt rats more than humans?

[limber hull]

yes

i would rather AI rats to AI humans

[worthy ivy]

crazy talk 🤣

[limber hull]

not really

i want hunting humans to be something cool, not attacking brainless AI

#general-feedback message
"Everyone who disagrees is nitpicking and biased" my beloved

@urban flax have you seen the amount of eat grass and die as of late? General feedback is full of it

[reef jasper]

Was that about my post?

[limber hull]

were you the one who said "everyone who disagrees is a teno main" lol

[reef jasper]

Yes

Because all of them are

They never play carno but only teno

[limber hull]

lmao no

i disagree and teno is one of my less played animals

i think i honestly play carno more

carno should be losing 1v1s to teno

[reef jasper]

Nah it shouldnt

[limber hull]

it absolutley should

teno can't outrun carno, so it must be able to outfight it

the issue is less "teno is OP" and more "carno is terribly designed for the stam system due to its charge melting your entire stamina bar"

[reef jasper]

Ram is pretty good tbh

[barren crater]

That makes it easy? Idk man, I love the struggle when hunting teno. If you want to hunt something with 0 resistance go hunt a galli or something

[reef jasper]

You need to know how to use it

[barren crater]

Some creatures aren't meant to be easy to hunt

[reef jasper]

It fun hunting tenos its just that the kick is actually kinda OP damage wise

[limber hull]

it isnt

cerato charge bite and carno ram both do far more damage

[reef jasper]

If you know how to use them

[barren crater]

I wouldn't say far too much damage, but its 275n vs ceratos 345n for example

[reef jasper]

Some people just play bad with carn o i know but for the more inexperienced players teno is so easy to kill everything

[limber hull]

teno is not rewarding to inexperienced players lol

if you're dying to an inexperienced teno

lol

[reef jasper]

Bro i never played teno before and when i started playing it it was sooo easy to kill everhthing

Carnos are a piece of cake

I dont die to tenos lol

Im just saying that their kick is OP

[limber hull]

it really isn't

it's a super tiny hitbox that requires you to get right next to them

[reef jasper]

3kick and you will bleed out as carno if continue to fight

[cyan flame]

Could maybe do with a tiny stam increase on the cost of the attacks, but aside from that, teno has always been quite well balanced

[reef jasper]

Thats not OP?

[cyan flame]

Carno could use some work on the charge because well, small game hunter with "must run for miles to knock small game down" is a bit weird

[barren crater]

The only fight a teno can force is the one vs a cera. No other carnivore should really be dying to a teno unless they're hunting it

[cyan flame]

Carno isn't really meant to fight tenos perhaps?

[limber hull]

teno is designed to be out of carno's punching range

[barren crater]

Carno isn't in a good spot anyways

[cyan flame]

They're just 200 kg lighter, it's not "small game" for a carno, but having a partner should tip things in your favour pretty easily

[limber hull]

True!

The charge is such a mess atm

[barren crater]

Also Carno is more than capable of hunting teno solo. It needs love tho

[reef jasper]

1v1 is pretty viable if you know how to play carno

I learned the ropes of carno but sometimes you cant really do anything bc of the hitbox thats not always correct.

[cyan flame]

But, if 1v1 is viable, then why are you arguing that teno is OP?

[reef jasper]

I get hit in my tail and get stunlocked for 4second

Because of the kick?

It shouldnt be able to stunlock me on my tail

[barren crater]

That's latency.

[cyan flame]

That's an issue with latency or lag or similar

Not an issue with teno, and not an issue with damage/bleed

[barren crater]

Teno's kick can not stun on the tail.

[reef jasper]

Nah i live in belgium with good ping bro

[reef jasper]

I got some clips to show you my man

[barren crater]

Your ping doesn't matter in this game (well in this example). You can have low ping but as long as someone has high ping you'll get hit

[reef jasper]

Bro the server is close to me. Its not me

[barren crater]

If they hit you on their screen, it registers as a hit. Even if they have 500 ping

Yeah it's not an issue with you, its an issue with the other player

[reef jasper]

I played vs people who live next to my country and still same happens

We can test it out on unofficial

[barren crater]

As in on a test server or on officials?

[reef jasper]

And i get what you mean bird but it not that its always the latency

[reef jasper]

Test server

[barren crater]

Gotcha. Anyways even if that was the case, it's not intended, so report it.

[reef jasper]

I might actually make a report yea

[barren crater]

I get the dislike about Tenos stun and damage, however its unironically one of the only ways to stop a Carno from just tanking you out.

Maybe if the game had other forms of CC it would be a bit bearable though

[reef jasper]

I understand teno needs a defense but having 2 attacks that can stunlock you is just kinda OP the right hands..

[barren crater]

Knockbacks maybe even a disarm. CC stuff like that

[reef jasper]

Everything is deadly in the right hands but teno, imo, is just a beast

[barren crater]

I agree. Its very great defensively if played well. At the very least it can't kill you in one cycle as a Carno and you can outrun them easily

So while it may not be fun to play against, it is avoidable. I do hope we get a CC rework though.

[urban flax]

How do you disarm a carno

[mystic parcel]

irl carnivores die hunting herbivores due to how much damage they can do. a literal llama beat the living **** out of a cougar in a video, got a life threatening injury and was gonna starve to death. Even bears are scared of moose. a horse literally smacked anouther horse right in the head. 1 hit. and the other horse died. herbivores irl arent weak walking dinner plates so why do you want herbivores in game to be weak? herbivores are not OP in the game and generally a lone teno has already a high chance of dying. because lets be real, carnivores pack aswell, over pack a lot of the times. anyways all carnivores are able to kill stuff and defend themselves but herbis only have pachy/teno and stego. 3 thats it. theres literally only 3 herbivores that can defend themselves in some way and yall want to nerf more herbivores cuz yall failed to hunt a teno.

[latent olive]

no arms

[barren crater]

ah 😰

[polar lance]

Yo guys I have a problem that when I get damage and start running from sed dino and then fall of a one feet cliff my dinos life subscription expires is that commen. Bc it happens to me every other dino fight or so

[summer forge]

@wraith folio I imagine mixpackers could possibly get a debuff on their max life or attack damage

[urban flax]

wouldn't work

9 reasons why stress debuffs are bad (Bubulblu's mixpacking List) :

1. Griefers can and will continue griefing even with debuffs, unless they lead to death, which would pose a much bigger problem.
2. Depending on the range and timing of debuffs occuring, players can abuse them by regularly getting away from each other and continue griefing.
3. It ruins prolonged fights. Some fights in the game can last for 30+ minutes, but the game cannot tell the difference between a fight where no one hits each other for some time and mixpacking.
4. Mixpacking isn't necessarily an issue. There is nothing wrong with a group of small dinos hanging around a larger one who they know cannot catch them.
5. Temporary alliances can be fine. Two groups of predators can hunt the same prey and decide to help each other until said prey is dead, or two prey animals could stand side-by-side to defeat a powerful predator, without being necessarily griefers. The point of the game is to maximize your chances of survival.
6. It promotes deathmatch gameplay instead of survival, by forcing players to either run away or kill anything that isn't their own species.
7. A fast dino can purposefully debuff a slower one by following it and causing debuffs. Again, griefers don't care if they're being debuffed.
8. It ruins hiding. In a jungle or near water, two players can be very close to each other without being aware of each other's presence. Debuffs occuring would give them away to each other.
9. Stress implies forcing psychological reactions on a player, which is a bad thing to do in a horror game. A dino has no reason to be stressed or afraid if the player controlling it isn't. The game should try to scare off the player themselves, not their character.

[summer forge]

I'm with you on a lot of your points but I think it would still be a good thing you can somehow have an advantage on griefers, maybe the debuff could only apply on the players joining the group?
On another point, I was mainly talking about herbi/carni mixpacking, as in my opinion it's rather a good thing realism-wise to have herbis mixpacking.

I also think that it should depend on the weight ratio

[urban flax]

wdym players joining the group

You can't group with players of other species

[summer forge]

not literally but when a different specie tag along

[urban flax]

As for herbi/herbi and carni/herbi...
A pachy running with a stego to fracture things for the stego to kill is fine, but a ptera and a dryo hanging around isn't ?

[summer forge]

no because as I said, it could depend on the weight ratio

[urban flax]

The best mixpacking debuff there can be is already in the game

[summer forge]

(somehow)

[urban flax]

It's the megapack scent

[urban flax]

At best, it changes nothing
In most cases, it would make it worse

<@&933486433342222376>

[pallid patio]

For the people complaining about some herbies to be "op", remember that a lot of herbivores are really dangerous. It wouldn't be fair if it was easy to hunt them

[latent olive]

A lot of those people are usually just complaining they died to a herbivore

[rough wind]

#general-feedback message
I like the idea but I think a more simplified version would work better
instead of a slider for how much venom it could just be how long your latched
would definitely be interesting to play with a venom pool

but then theres the balancing issue

you cant have 4 troodons jump straight onto a full size stego and pump all their venom into it killing it instantly

[urban flax]

I like the fact venom rewards coordination right now, that feedback sounds like it makes troodon into more of a solo hunter

Or into a "everyone pounce at the same time and oneshot a rex" playable

[rough wind]

yeah thats my concern also

[barren zephyr]

Could still use the current game's troo venom system and slightly mix it with this idea and see how that concludes

[tight iron]

absolutely not

thing is i ran out of characters

so i couldn't add more ideas such as needing like 15 troodons to kill a stego (impossible)

[urban flax]

But then you reduce troodon's punch-up potential

[tight iron]

to be honest troodon is only a troller right now due to how venom works

[urban flax]

Which is its main interest

[tight iron]

it has no purpose other than to troll people

so making troodon be an actually venomous thing would swap that as you can't troll adult carnos anymore and just be a massive nuisance but also not be useless

[urban flax]

Troodon was strong, until another creature that does the same thing but better was added

[barren zephyr]

yeah dilo overshadowed troo alot

[tight iron]

troodon is still somewhat strong

i demolished a 60% dilo yesterday with 4 pounces

[barren zephyr]

those dilos don't know what their doing probably

[tight iron]

they weren't bad

they tried to bait me and stuff but since i only play raptor and troodon...

i know how to bait stuff to then pounce

not tryna make myself the lord of troodon rn btw

just giving them credit for not sucking

[barren zephyr]

did they land any bites?

[tight iron]

yeah they did

i just believe that a troodon shouldn't be able to kill very big stuff

like a stego should NOT die to a troodon

[barren zephyr]

if their in a pack why not? I mean that was what it was intended for

[tight iron]

dilo is here as a stego population control

troodon primarily feeds on juvies

pounce them 3 times and let them die

and also troodon right now is just a nuisance

[barren zephyr]

Because ever since dilo got released troodon players are starting to become increasingly extinct

[tight iron]

it's cool as hell but its only purpose is to annoy others

[urban flax]

Anyway, I don't think making troodon a solo creature is the way to go

[tight iron]

so buffing its venom to be able to 1 shot its literal prey but punish trolling wouldn't make it a troller anymore

[tight iron]

my suggestion isn't about that

i never said it should be one

[urban flax]

I agree with limited venom, but keep it a pack hunting tool instead of being just a burst of damage

[tight iron]

actually my suggestion rewards packs

[barren zephyr]

Yeah its just going to get outcompeted

[tight iron]

since with 4 full venom pounces you'd be able to take down a for example 70% raptor

[urban flax]

It rewards mobbing something and oneshotting it, not pack tactics

[tight iron]

no it only allows you to one shot juvies

only juvies

[urban flax]

wdym 4 full venom pounces
I thought you said venom would be limited

[tight iron]

4 people pouncing it and using all their venom

[urban flax]

all juvies ?

[tight iron]

(4 100% troodons)

[barren zephyr]

are they all pumping full venom?

[tight iron]

yes

[urban flax]

So it's still as useless as before, but without the pack aspect ?

[tight iron]

im confused, have you read the suggestion

[urban flax]

And without punch-up either

[urban flax]

Yes but now I'm understanding it less and less

[tight iron]

i see i see

okay give me like 2 minutes to explain it in a different manner

since it probably was unclear, i ran out of characters

[barren zephyr]

Wait so whats the punishment because if 4 100% troodons are pumping full venom say to a stego player, how would it be fair for the stego player to counter?

[rain hemlock]

wait why does logging out and back in fix vomit sickness?

[tight iron]

being unable to defend yourself

[rain hemlock]

thats so random

[tight iron]

if you don't have venom you're dead

so if you begin trolling others you're gonna pay with your life

[urban flax]

How does having venom helps troodon to defend itself ?

Since it won't oneshot anything but juvies and it lacks any other form of damage

[tight iron]

by the way i did state that spending half your venom should one shot juvies

not all of them

if an adult raptor for example goes after you, just run, you have nothing to do against that

but if a teen carno attacks you, you can just maul it

say, you don't have venom reserved since you were annoying a stego

[urban flax]

Wait so venom would deal additional damage against juvies ?

[tight iron]

you can't defend yourself from the teen carno

[tight iron]

not necessarily, just the venom damage being considerably buffed

however in return for that, having limited venom

[urban flax]

But juvenile carnos are bigger than FG omnis

[tight iron]

uh not even close

[barren zephyr]

Also another question, I think it would be a tad tedious to have to type out how much venom I'd like to release mid-combat but that might just be me.

[tight iron]

a teen carno is smaller than a fg raptor

[urban flax]

what's a teen carno

[tight iron]

that's honestly correct

[tight iron]

30% carno

[tight iron]

i thought of adding keybinds and stuff but just ran outta characters

like a keybind that lets you put more or less

[barren zephyr]

would make it better mhm

[tight iron]

or just put how much you want to use while pouncing

pounce and then type for example 80%

and then the animation and the envenomation plays

i also wanted to add that if you get envenomated and it affects you seriously you begin to lose vision, just like when you're safelogging

for example, if you're a juvie and a fg troodon came up to you and injected you with its venom, you would begin to have the same effects you have while logging off until, well, you inevitably die

but if you're a fg stego you literally get nothing

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but thats flawed because judging 4 troos envenomating a fg stego with full venom, id guess that stegos vision would go out quick

[urban flax]

That honestly doesn't sound very fun, be it for the troodon or for its prey

[tight iron]

nope, unless it's seriously affecting you, you wouldn't get anything

[urban flax]

Again, what's interesting with troodon is its heavy focus on pack tactics and coordination
Removing that just removes its uniqueness as a playable

[tight iron]

as i said it should take 15-20 fg troodons all injecting all their venom into an adult stego to kill it

[tight iron]

the uniqueness is the venom itself not the tactics

the pack tactics are cool as hell imo

[urban flax]

But you're making the venom less unique
It just becomes update 1 omni

[tight iron]

i don't see how it would make it less unique, in my opinion having it work like actual venom makes it truly unique

[barren zephyr]

what was up 1 omni? I started evrima in up 2 lol

[urban flax]

Pounce dealt a crap ton of raw damage
So its strategy was to get as many omnis as possible and pounce something so it dies before it can buck you off

[icy lion]

Bleeding didn't exist, so pouncing was just raw damage

[barren zephyr]

oh yikes

[tight iron]

basically imagine the troodon suggestion as making it something that can't take on more heavy stuff unless it's many troodons

right now you can play it solo and target juvies

[urban flax]

And that is the exact opposite of what makes troodon interesting

[tight iron]

well in that case troodon can't be interesting right now

it's literally what troodon is right now

[urban flax]

It is
Just overshadowed by dilo

[tight iron]

something that can't take on more heavy tuff unless it's many troodons

[barren zephyr]

"the venom becoming more powerful, enough to kill a juvie with one pounce" I feel this part really incentivizes solo gameplay with troo in which troo players could just live off a solo gameplay.

[urban flax]

You can take on big dinos as a solo troodon
But it becomes drastically easier with a pack

Because that's what troodon is for

[tight iron]

this thing quite literally makes you have a pack

so it doesn't incentivize solo playing at all

[tight iron]

well you can literally do that right now

you can kill a juvie with 2-3 pounces

[barren zephyr]

yeah but venom being so powerful u could just live off juvies

[tight iron]

you can do that right now as well

i survive hours as a troodon only by killing juvies

[barren zephyr]

but your version said prey has about 2 minutes

current juvies stil stand a chance with escape

[tight iron]

no they don't

you're faster and 100 times stronger

my idea incentivizes pack playing

as you can't take on bigger stuff without a pack

[barren zephyr]

so your attack options once your venom bar is depleted, you said would be a death sentence?

[tight iron]

if your venom reserves are depleted, you can't fend off anything anymore and gotta wait till you get more venom

[limber hull]

why would it need such a limitation

[tight iron]

to not make it a troller

[limber hull]

it isnt a troller

[tight iron]

yes it is

[limber hull]

wtf even is a "troller"

[tight iron]

a big venom buff but without having infinite venom

[tight iron]

smth that's there to annoy people

[limber hull]

thats not troodon

[tight iron]

yes it is

[limber hull]

saying it's a troller doesn't automatically make it true

[tight iron]

saying it's not doesn't make it true either

[limber hull]

i've played troodon perfectly fine as a hunter

[tight iron]

same thing here

[limber hull]

so it's not a troll

[barren zephyr]

I'd argue isn't much of troller it can be a decent threat if played correctly

[tight iron]

however right now you just envenomate big carnos till you die

[limber hull]

no you don't?

[tight iron]

https://youtu.be/Pe9BsNFLtec

as u can see this juvie stood a chance at escaping

[limber hull]

if you choose to fight adult carnos for some reason, that's on you

[tight iron]

bruh it's being processed

anyways this suggestion rewards pack playing by getting more and better food

and it also makes it more "cool" imo

[barren zephyr]

eh its agree to disagree

[tight iron]

better quality coming soon

[barren zephyr]

But i still don't understand why its purpose is "trolling"

[tight iron]

honestly i said it wrong

it's not its purpose but it's what practically all troodons do

[urban flax]

It's what all dinos do
But with larger dinos you end up dead

[tight iron]

yep, however with troodon you can literally wipe out an entire juvie ecosystem by yourself since you have infinite venom

if you have a much more powerful but limited venom, you can't do that

[urban flax]

Current venom isn't very useful against juvies

[tight iron]

it 3 taps them

[urban flax]

If it's a 3 tap it means the venom had nothing to do with it
Because it only starts doing substantial damage after the 4th pounce

[tight iron]

no, juvies just have no health

[barren zephyr]

Yet your troo can kill them with one injection of venom?

[tight iron]

so even the first injection does substantial damage

[tight iron]

you gotta use half of your reserve tho

[urban flax]

It's the pounce's raw damage
Not the venom

[tight iron]

nope

raw damage does practically nothing to juvies

[urban flax]

Do you know how current troodon's venom work ?

[tight iron]

yes