#general-feedback-discussion

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limber hull
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Like in game there's a little icon to indicate miexpackers on the scent compass

orchid river
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yo i just shat on all 4 of them

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1v4

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got what they deserved

limber hull
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lmao what were you

orchid river
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100% carno

limber hull
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nice lol

orchid river
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I mean i know that they can't 1v1 me but really 2 adult ceras are fighting me while thew pachy is only trying to break my stuff

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genuinely thats F ed up

nimble smelt
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no rules is fun bro

limber hull
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i prefer no rules but mixpacks that go around slaughtering randoms are cringe ngl

strange quiver
# limber hull i prefer no rules but mixpacks that go around slaughtering randoms are cringe ng...

Killsquad packs give tentative alliances such a bad name. Some of the most fun I've had as herrera recently was brokering a shaky peace with a tiny ptera flock so we could all reap the rewards of fish AI actually spawning around us due to a semi okay player count being present.

They sometimes pulled fish from the middle of the lake from me while I caught the ones riskier to them by the shore while I waited for terrestrial AI to spawn for myself. I still had to watch out for the younger/new arrivals trying to peck at me, but it was good fun while it lasted.

Moments like that make the game feel so cool-- then Kill Clan 9000 rolls up with dilos and carnos mowing everyone in sight down and ruins it for everyone. TI_Succ I love coexisting around other species but hate how those types of players leave me branded a "filthy mixpacker" just because I don't want to immediately slaughter everything in sight.

limber hull
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i adore those interactions where you find a group of dudes who don't wanna fight but also don't wanna kill

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so you just... vibe

strange quiver
# limber hull i adore those interactions where you find a group of dudes who don't wanna fight...

It's so rewarding and it's one of the reasons I love playing herrera, honestly. I've got a "safe" area I can retreat to if things go south, and I can people-watch from a distance and get a feel for them.

It's also pretty fun to tail groups of herbies and scavenge off of whatever tries to kill them. Found some stegos in the swamp once and that was the only way I could actually live as herrera-- between the group being big enough to spawn frogs/fish and carnivores trying and failing to go after a juvie, I ate like a king until they logged off lmfao

limber hull
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i've once got into a group as a dryo with 3 troodons and a stego

did we kill anything? no, unless you count AI. all we did was hang out, run around, play dumb games and logged off as the sun set on a rock together. never even knew what they were called because there was no way to get their usernames, it was a random experience and I loved it

strange quiver
midnight heath
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People mixing and not killing others is fine by me

frosty violet
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where do i report bugs?

urban flax
frosty violet
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can u pls # it

urban flax
frosty violet
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thx

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wasnt visible for some reason

limber hull
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@hybrid mica herrera is supposed to use the ground for further traversal, trees are for ambushes and safery, although I do agree herrera starves too fast

hexed timber
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wrong. I want it to simply work when i touch a flank, and not have a ticket to china

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and what i said about being able to come in at a angle from the back ( not directly from the back), that should give a pounce, but not for 1 moment do i want pounce to be this "magic" win condition. I even called it broken a while ago because nothing could buck us off properly on gateway release, and i feel our stamina drain shoulda been way higher when bucking occured and that was litterally all there was too it. Less pounce time = less damage and less bleeding, so that would fix pounce aswell imo.

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instead of fixing bucking, they gave dilo the most disgusting bucking i ever seen ( 4-5 sec pounce time MAX) , AND they gave us extra conditions to hit it XD

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there is plenty of stuff broken. here another clip to show you the state of it.

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(not my footage)

limber hull
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thats just pachy

hexed timber
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imagine just rolling with it, instead of being like, ok that is broken

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gotta call it like u see it, else nothing will improve

limber hull
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pachy in its entirety is just busted

urban flax
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I don't see what's wrong in the video, or maybe I didn't understand what happened ?
Omni tried to pounce form behing, it didn't work because back pounces don't work anymore
Looks like the mechanic was working as intented

hexed timber
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so you dont see a issue with the BONK hitting when the raptor pounced even tho its like 2 sec after the bonk happend?

hexed timber
urban flax
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Isn't it just the sound of a failed pounce ?

hexed timber
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pachy is a small mf, aint no way that would not be possible to transition to a flank

urban flax
hexed timber
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its the sound of the omni breaking his head to the pachy

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head fracture

urban flax
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Oh alr, then that is a bug
But the pounce wouldn't have allowd to latch anyway, right ?

hexed timber
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it should have

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i see no reason to denie that on this small a dinosaur

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its not liek ur standing at the tail of trex , and still have to walk 5 meters

urban flax
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Because that'd require making a special rule for pachy only

hexed timber
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it just shows how fickle pounce is

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it doesnt take creature size into account

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but hey we need to use our skills, and even hit small targets on their mini flanks

urban flax
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I mean
With how long the pachy was input-locked, the omni could just have walked around it and pounced from the side

hexed timber
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(bs)

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no, that is rookie mistake you making

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you will be alt headbutted to the floor

urban flax
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If anything I guess they could increase the body hitbox check so it's easier to land on medium target

hexed timber
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there is just no time, cuz the pachy sends it, and u gotta go get the flying pachy

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and if u take the time to go to its flank, alt headbut

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unless u read that perfectly and dodge and circle again , and try to pounce you might get it

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but will probably desync into another alt

urban flax
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I mean
Pachy shouldn't be an easy prey for an omni anyway
And even if you don't latch, there's still the kick

hexed timber
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cuz thats how fickle it is rn, and is unenjoyable, why you think every randomomni went full dilo? and made a switch

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pachy is many things, but not easy even if u get apounce in you will still die 1v1

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against a good one

urban flax
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I mean
Pounce is still the strongest ability in the game when it works properly
So it makes sense that it's hard to land against targets that are designed to counter you

hexed timber
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like im FINE with me having to be on a flank, but im NOT FINE with how stupidly small that flank hitbox is on some dinos (pretty much all but stego fr). If i come in from the back , but not a deadass direct behind angle but like this kinda.

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those black arrows should be pounce , the red one should block it

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a simple transition, its not hard

desert arch
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Tbh you shouldnt even try pouncing a pachy in a 1v1. Even if you land it, pachy can just ignore the bleed and run you down after.

hexed timber
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no its a win condition actually

urban flax
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I disagree, these are still back pounces and the tail would get in the way

hexed timber
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you wont win if u dont get a pounce in, and even if u get the pounce in there is another condition that has to be met, you need to get the pachy away from any objects for at least 10 sec of buck time

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so there is conditions for raptors on each hunt pretty much

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we already had the "can we or can we not" thing

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now its just "can we bite it to death or should we move on"

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fr, i know what im saying its all i play and i seen plenty since dilo got released

hexed timber
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thats why i drew the red arrow, that should be the backcheck

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and the front check can be huge for all i care

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cuz i dont approve of the bodyblock escape jutsu

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its cheap af

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but only the flanks and expecting a deadass 90 degree entry is too much of a ask

urban flax
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So the black arrows would just connect to the body hitbox
Which as I said, could just simply be solved with fine-tuning the pouncable hitboxes
Or allowing pounces on the base of tail

hexed timber
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yes that

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all i ask, im not asking for something unreasonable i feel?

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am i ?

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like i see where you guys are coming from, and i agree vastly with most of it, just the backcheck is my issue rn

urban flax
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Your first messages made it sound like you wanted it to be completely removed on pachy instead of globally adjusted

hexed timber
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no it was just a example to show things are overlooked like creature size

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making the pounce act rlly strange

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if i would have to visualise what im asking, its these angles to be able to pounce from

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anything not in that range, should become a claw attack

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forgive my paint skills, its a bit... f'ded

urban flax
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Yeah but
I'm pretty sure it isn't a matter of angle detection right now, but just hitbox

hexed timber
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i strongly believe if the hitbox where it detects angle as u say is configured to the image i drew poorly, it would fix it aswell

urban flax
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Calcultaing angle would be much less reliable and more performance-heavy

hexed timber
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i feel its cheaper to just check , "where did the pounce touch"

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cuz from certain angles u wont be able to make it anyway

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leaving only the orange and a little wiggle room for angled jumps with movement into the mix

urban flax
hexed timber
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i know 😂

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legacy was way worse, we had a floating hitbox on our left like 3 meters out at all times, wich became a skill expression in being able to hit that spot on others

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called "sniping"

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now THAT was broken, cuz even a big herbi could just be hit there without counterplay

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only good thing was that the difficulty to snipe is beyond the moon at first

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anyway sidetracking, but i feel i said my say

desert arch
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Watching "high skill" rex fights will never not be funny to meTI_LUL

hexed timber
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it looks rediculous, just 2 rexes circling eachother tryna get that broken hitbox on the other

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why i moved to evrima, thats litterally the content legacy has now

urban flax
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I mean
Anything can be called a skill expression if it's hard to do
A rex abusing hitbox-sniping, double-biting and its own ass-bite hitbox could be considered skilled
It's just that none of those are intended, nor do they look good or feel good

hexed timber
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butttt, now that im hereee , i will open my mouth 😂

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double biting is not rlly skillfull imo

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bite anim 1 sec , dmg stay for 2 sec, you bite again on the 2nd second, and you get a overlap of dmg

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voila double bite

urban flax
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So just spam click ?

hexed timber
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no

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those overlaps need to hit on the right timing

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only skill ul need is timing

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1 sec before impact, and again on impact is what i do

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but i say its not rlly skillful

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because there is also triple and quad bite, and its seperate bites but you just get wombo combod in a short time span

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quad is rare tho, and triple is something i was able to somewhat consistently do

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triple for ex: bite before impact -> bite on the nose -> bite as u exit on the tail

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and quad is some weird stuff, (think its a glitch)

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where 1 bite somehow regs 2 hitboxes on a body

urban flax
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bruh
Double bite by itself is already a glitch

hexed timber
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i mean yeah, but legacy evolved

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things are insane now, and the skill ceiling is as high as the playables can play

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what can be done, is being done

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rexes that learned how to make sharp turns etc

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but, dying game , think legacy will die on the next 3 updates

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all the pro's are retiring left n right

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i think evrima reached a point where its far superior, but they have to get their fixes asap, because they also put the game in shambles for the time being

urban flax
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They always need to do everything asap

desert arch
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Tbh there were much worse states the game has been in.
Back in u5 dinos being deleted from the server at random was constant

hexed timber
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was always kinda "against" evrima, because of my experience on legacy and because evrima was bare and empty, the map was dull and there was only 2 playables, with cera update i feel evrima reached a solid state, and with gateway i feel we are actually gonna start seeing what evrima is all about

limber hull
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this is not nearly close to the worst state the game has been in

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U6 for instance

urban flax
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aaah your pfp
What happened

limber hull
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im doing a funny bit

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because of the new year

hexed timber
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oh i tried it once , fought sticky utah teno vs omni , but each time we got close to each the game would lag horrible

limber hull
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its working well

urban flax
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Oh reminds me it isn't christmas anymore
I need to change mine back

hexed timber
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(on evrima release , while ago)

limber hull
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anyway yea this is absolutely nowhere near the worst state the game has been in

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hell, dilo still isn't as bad as U6's balance

hexed timber
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tbh dilo is pretty bad, i know alot of people who are like, no more survival till they nerfed that

limber hull
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its venom is a little overtuned, but many animals can kick its ass

hexed timber
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i dont mind cuz my test server is more full now 😊

jovial hazel
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I will never forget turbo carno. Could run around at like 69%, 60+km/h, near infinite stam, better turn radius, and still be able to stun fg carnos.

limber hull
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yup lol

hexed timber
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also the reason we say dilo is pretty bad, is because we do fight alot in test servers , and we do pull out the dilo many times, i have not died yet on a Dilo, i dont think its possible

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maybe vs a carno 🤔

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yeah carno will destroy it

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same bus radius turning

limber hull
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carno kicks it ass, a single pachy ambush will obliterate it, omni's bleed is brutal to it, herrera can knock it down, so on

desert arch
hexed timber
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omnis cant do anything to it

limber hull
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if its venom wasn't utterly absurd, it'd be fine balanced

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omnis absolutely can if they aren't incompetent

hexed timber
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you either know how to dogfight, or you are gonna die to a dilo as a omni

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yes exactly, and truth is, i love em so dont get me wrong, but most raptor players fit that description

jovial hazel
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Well, most "decent" raptor players are probably on dilo tbh.

limber hull
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its weird that both teno and omni were built under the idea of skill based gameplay, yet only teno retains the title

hexed timber
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i know you can bleed them badly, but only if you have a rock or a fence or w/e to fall back too if you get clouds

limber hull
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probably because omni players got used to magnet pounces

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whereas tenos had to deal with nerf upon nerf upon nerf

hexed timber
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aye dont look at me, i rarely pounce 😂 , doesnt mean its not broken atm tho

jovial hazel
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I would like to see current pounce without all the rubberbanding and server issues.

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Are unofficials having the same issues?

desert arch
limber hull
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true tho

hexed timber
jovial hazel
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Yeah, it's rough.

hexed timber
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nvm the million misses cuz of reg desync and w/e

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ofc i also am a idiot sometimes, so those are on me, but plenty of them... fr broken

hexed timber
# limber hull probably because omni players got used to magnet pounces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X2kb0sGmYg

YouTube
Nickboay
GATEWAY: Raptor Vs Dilo (with Narration)(Montage)

I think its the most fun fight for omni atm, Cera and Carno are quite bulky and take a while to kill, while the Dilo is relatively quick to kill when in quick need for food! and there is currently plenty of them :) , dont fear them! eat them! they solve the starvation problem in survival singlehandedly for Omni's. (Ul die at first, but ul learn ...

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i dont pounce as much at all , rlly

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but on a pinneable target, always

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why risk getting hurt if i can just be like, ok you die now

limber hull
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there's no harm in using bite

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especially against dilo

hexed timber
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yes but on a pachy you need to get a pounce in

limber hull
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its a different animal

hexed timber
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for example, because dogfighting is gonna increase the odds for a fracture occuring, therefor dumping your stamina into the pachy converting it to dmg is the play

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because you can win a alt bite vs bonk facetank after u did that

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but you will most likely still lose

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if the pachy is smart

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but, its your best bet of winning a 1v1

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thats why i need that angling to be a thing on pounces ( more lenient to giving the pounce from angles slightly to the back as i showed earlier) because i legit just alt f4'd when i realised i did a claw attack and then got alt headbutted, and i was like realising that there was no time to get around to a flank during pachy's recovery after a bonk and that made me very sad

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kinda how teno's felt when carno charge would knock them over at the tail i'd say

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i relate to them, a matchup suddenly not being there anymore

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i also think thats the root of the complaint in most cases, a matchup not being possible anymore tnx to certain changes or a patch

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dev should be more considerate to that imho

limber hull
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pachy should absolutely kick omni's ass 1v1

hexed timber
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it already did tbh, but now its pretty much a 100% win ratio

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instead of 90%

limber hull
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i fail to see the issue

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get a second omni and it dies

desert arch
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If pachy didnt win consistently against omni, how would it survive dilo?

hexed timber
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what about the 2nd pachy?

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stop saying "omni is a pack animal"

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everything is in this game

limber hull
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it is tho lol

hexed timber
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everything is in this game

limber hull
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okay so like, hear me out

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if you see a lotta pachies, don't throw your omnis at em

minor field
hexed timber
desert arch
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Its a pack animal because its special ability scales much better in groups than any other animals

minor field
hexed timber
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the same people who say omni is a pack animal also walk around in groups of 4 ceras or 3 carnos

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fr

minor field
hexed timber
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what about dilo then ?

limber hull
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its designed to be independent

hexed timber
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you gonna tell me its not a pack animal?

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because north east plains disagrees with you strongly

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it can solo a stego

minor field
limber hull
hexed timber
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it can for sure

desert arch
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Dilo doesnt scale well in large groups, unlike omni

minor field
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Dilo sucks against stego

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It’s venom does next to nothing against it

hexed timber
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not really it just takes a while and 2 -3 applications

limber hull
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nah not true, dilo can beat up stego, but that's because stego is garbo

hexed timber
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easy compared to what a raptor had to do ( tho ngl that no swing thing was broken)

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im talking pre-gateway

minor field
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Tbf almost everything can beat up stego now

hexed timber
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gateway it was ez cuz the swing didnt work on pounce

limber hull
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stego is hot trash, so anything that can remotely exploit its garbage stamdrain and attack windup will destroy it

cyan flame
limber hull
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which is most species, because again, stego is hot garbage

hexed timber
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a solo omni cannot even kill a pachy , but a dilo can solo a stego , both are pack creatures

limber hull
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ironically, it's still called OP

hexed timber
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stego never was OP

limber hull
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it likely never will be

hexed timber
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thats just angry crocs

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"oh i lose my facetank but i am apex" bro, fr

desert arch
limber hull
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it's not supposed to be a good pack animal, no

hexed timber
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you only need 1 in your pack to hit it tho

limber hull
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not true at all

cyan flame
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Stego is just not a fun designed playable, that's the main issue with it. You could double all of its stats and it wouldn't be a more fun or engaging playable anyway, and could probably still be soloed, just with a lot longer time for doing so.

hexed timber
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the rest is just bonus

minor field
hexed timber
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you do, that single dilo can do plenty of dmg, the rest can just be royal guard or something

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and kill anything else in the area

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super powerfull if utilised like that, and to bounce your own words back at ya, things shouldbe scaled to how it can be played

limber hull
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this isn't really saying "dilo is a pack animal" and more "dilo is insanely OP solo"

minor field
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I do think that Dilo should have a hard range cut off with its venom

limber hull
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like all you're telling us is that dilo is strong solo, not as a pack

minor field
hexed timber
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ok so you agree its strong solo?

limber hull
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i never disagreed

desert arch
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Doesnt make it a pack animal tho

hexed timber
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then the only logical conclussion is if you multiply that dilo, that is "stronger"

minor field
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No?

limber hull
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dilo is actively anti-pack designed tho

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it literally performs worse in packs than other animals

hexed timber
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they can mix in with the clones, everything

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am i the only one who sees the dilo potential?

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rn its utterly broken my friends 😛 with all respect

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its not even being played yet to the max of what can be done

desert arch
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Never said it wasnt

limber hull
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no one is denying that

hexed timber
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and its already bad

limber hull
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but its not a pack animal

hexed timber
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you will see them in packs all the time

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there for, pack animal

minor field
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If you balanced dilo to fulfill its intended role then it’s not a pack animal

hexed timber
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pack animal = a creature traveling in a group, NOT a creature that can benefit from each ability

limber hull
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that's the most ass-backwards way of thinking about things I've ever heard

hexed timber
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i agree, from my pov im hearing backwards thinking aswell

limber hull
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"this animal has a lot of people playing it therefore it is a pack animal"

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you aren't even considering kit

minor field
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Deino is a pack animal

hexed timber
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"this animal travels together therefor its a pack animal"

limber hull
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no

hexed timber
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legacy always had dilo PACKS , this version will also have PACKS

limber hull
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okay but that doesn't make it a preferred pack animal

hexed timber
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makes it a pack animal

minor field
limber hull
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cerato is also not a pack animal but can form packs

hexed timber
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its cute you say that, but thats not the criteria for a pack animal gib

limber hull
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by your logic, every single animal is a pack animal

hexed timber
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criteria = travels and hunts together

limber hull
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name one animal that isn't a pack animal

hexed timber
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in the isle, yes

desert arch
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Dilos intended group size (4) already hints that its far from a pack animal

hexed timber
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Deino , Cera

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they have eachother on diet

limber hull
hexed timber
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their social interactions ingame is diff

limber hull
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in fact they're some of the best pack animals in the game

hexed timber
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they either on discord together or they are food to each

desert arch
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It being overtuned and overpopulated wont make it pack based

hexed timber
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but dilo can run into another dilo

minor field
hexed timber
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hey your not on my diet, so friends?

minor field
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Deino is a pack animal but also isn’t a pack animal

limber hull
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is cannibalism seriously the only metric for you that defines pack animals

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because cannibalism makes packing up stronger, not weaker

hexed timber
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yes, because it decides player behaviour towards eachother

cyan flame
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Everything can group up, not everything needs, or gains, equally much from it, some are even almost actively hindered

minor field
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By that logic carno when it had itself on its diet wasn’t a pack animal

limber hull
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if one member of your massive pack dies, you can eat them, for massive nutrition

minor field
limber hull
hexed timber
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sure spiro also had this with cera

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question , how new was carno at that time?

limber hull
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??????

hexed timber
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was it a hype dino at the time

limber hull
minor field
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You still saw giant groups of carnos back then though-

hexed timber
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yes if its the newest carnivore then that would explain

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thats why i ask that simple question

desert arch
hexed timber
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ok thanks, thats probably the factor for that then

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not the canni thing

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i dont see million cera's anymore today, do you?

desert arch
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Cannibalism helped it form those giant packs though

hexed timber
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we lack a mechanic that keeps overpacking and mixpacking away from the game

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that void of a mechanic, creates that

minor field
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Omni is being designed around pack hunting with its grappling and pinning abilities coming in the future (even though I am absolutely dreading the day that will come)

hexed timber
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well, you wont see many raptors at all im afraid, get used to seeing mostly dilos and hallucinating

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most of us are done for the time being

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maybe next patch

minor field
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No you’re gonna see tons of raptors when they’re gonna be pinning things as big as stegoTI_Trollge

hexed timber
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then that would have to be released first

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until then, not worth playing raptor

minor field
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Although I’d rather have an overpowered omni rather than the monstrosity that dilo is

hexed timber
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im just gonna be a Dilo while its broken, run the hype train a little and go on a absolute kill streak

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see how others like it

minor field
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Im gonna kill as many dilos as pachy as i possibly canTI_Troll

hexed timber
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well, hope u wont get a desynced body hit, gl!

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easy to get that with the current rubberbanding

minor field
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Good luck on your dilo crusades as well

hexed timber
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ah who am i kidding, i should go carno and hunt the dilos

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🤔

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either way. Boring , but should keep me entertained at least 4 hours ( 3 for growing and 1 for killing things)

minor field
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A minor amount of trolling

hexed timber
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cant hallucinate my own species 😴 else i would have a long time ago

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especially since juvi can inflict it

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its like TAG , 10 min timeout , and then die to the guy, and respawn and do it again

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probably more fun then growing

minor field
hexed timber
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exactly

minor field
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Nothing like getting nipped by a toddler only to have your senses completely useless for 10 minutes

hexed timber
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whole reason why i wont play till fixed

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tbh, that was the drup that made the bucket flow over

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i can win my battles

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but a little mf respawning and being like, gg for the next 10 min

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sorry, thats bad

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especially with a powerfull effect like that

minor field
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Even if you kill a dilo as like an omni or a pachy you’re still at a net loss

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Still gotta put up with hallucinations and blindness for the next 10 minutes

hexed timber
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oh u can fix that by tanking with tail

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just put urself backwards whenever they come close for a bite

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rather a tailhit then THAT

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hallucinations need body or headshots

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and headshots give double value of body

minor field
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Im pretty sure it might bypass Pachy’s head armor

hexed timber
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nah

minor field
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Which if it does that’s stupid

hexed timber
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ur gonna be trippin

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insta purple

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and clones can only be dispelled when they do their roar

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else they always deal dmg, even if u dodge one and bite the clone in the tail

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still dmges you

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if u escape a dilo and ran off far, you will still die to passive hallucinations

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so omni gameplay atm is , "where is the closest rock?"

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hallucinations wont reach if you go on a high object

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and if u cant jump

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GG

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imo clone dmg needs to be changed to stamina dmg, i heard it suggested and its a good idea

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else dilo can 2 shot things

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if u think about it

hidden mist
hexed timber
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but we have to deal with it till xmas is over so

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like if i could dispell clones like that, it be already a whole lot more balanced

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15% dmg for biting a clone in its butt tho

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oof moment

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also when u try to dodge them, they sometimes ignore the rules of pathing and just start to sideways glide to you

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didnt mind that too much since ur hallucinating anyway

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but combined with the one where u do dodge and bite and get no reward, thats enough for some people to say "ok im done"

gloomy comet
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hey there, so i've done all the trouble shooting that was pinned in the troubleshooting tab, and i still can not get any servers whatsoever to pop up on my list... anyone have any other advice on what in the heck to do?

hexed timber
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to be clear is your issue also on officials etc or just unofficials not poppingup?

gloomy comet
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out of aboslute random it just popped up, i didn't change anything else... but for the last 20 minutes, no servers whatsoever were popping up

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like i have no idea what just caused them to finally pop up

hexed timber
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in your steam settings, you might have a certain value set to slow loading, lemme remember what it was

gloomy comet
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also, how do i change between evrima and legacy?

hexed timber
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not sure, just going after possibilities here , im not knowlegdeable enough, but il try to help

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wait you having those issues on legacy?

icy lion
gloomy comet
hexed timber
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(you can also dual install)

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but its more technical

gloomy comet
icy lion
hexed timber
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is this number lower for you? that could explain slow loading

gloomy comet
# icy lion An older version of evrima

perfect, thank you... "humans" have been in the game in settings... is there also a time that is joining the game? or... i haven't heard anything about that

icy lion
gloomy comet
# hexed timber

it was automatically at 5k, but i lowered it as part of a different "troubleshoot"

icy lion
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I don't know which servers have them, though

gloomy comet
hexed timber
gloomy comet
hexed timber
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but lowering helps u ping servers that get skipped on 5k

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so u have to find a balance

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i lowered it in the past cuz my 5k settings kept skipping my main server i played on

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so play with it, till it works decently fast and picks up where u tryna go

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(never had the issue on evrima tho, the serverlist is just broken in general here 😂 )

gloomy comet
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haha, im tryin evrima... im not sure what to play on since i only have 70 hours IG, and just comign back to it lol

hexed timber
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with that low ammount of hours i recommend just playing evrima branch

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legacy is dying, and only rlly attractive for people who cant run evrima on their hardware or have veteran experience

gloomy comet
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ah, i gotcha ... im on evrima now... can i pm you so we dont blow this chat up now?

hexed timber
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sure man anytime

lyric pollen
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@pallid frost what exactly is your feedback?

pallid frost
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is that not feedback. 3000+ hours in game. and my feed back is they have made a mess and its not fun anymore. like it used to b

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that my 3000+ feed back

lyric pollen
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well

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you didnt really say anything

pallid frost
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i did

lyric pollen
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it wasnt constructive

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it had no substince it was just "game no good no more"

pallid frost
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lol what is happening here

lyric pollen
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that wasnt really constructive feedback but okay

icy lion
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@cold fractal That's planned

cold fractal
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👍

hidden mist
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Btw did devs return that grey night vision from 6.5 update? Or they adjusted it for each species… Cuz herrera’s NV seems really bright, dunno about others

amber cosmos
amber cosmos
# amber cosmos just so everyone knows this is part one two a two part posthttps://discord.com/c...

this is part 2 ill post it in 6 hrs

Now as for entirely new systems

  1. I believe that herbivores don’t get near as much utility as carnivores do from the scent system and one way we can change this is by implementing either a dynamic wind system or a wind system that just randomly changes directions after a certain amount of time. After adding this system we could give herbivores the ability to smell predators for vast distances as long as the wind is blowing in the correct direction, this increases herb survivability while also giving the predators a work around such as coming from a different angle or simply going for a area that isn’t downwind of them.

  2. Give herbivores a hearing ability that is also used while using scent, when being used herbivores will be able to hear branches and other ground clutter breaking as well as possibly large footsteps from further away depending on the size of the dino, it will also have a visual que if its close enough that is similar to witcher senses from the witcher 3. This also gives purpose to the sneak movement for carnivores so yay to that.

  3. Instead of enhanced hearing like the herbivores give carnivores enhanced sight where as they use the scent ability they also have increased motion detection in the form of a outline forming around anything that moves even at long distances depending on creature, rex for example is theorized to have eagle like vision and I think it would be a good way to implement something like that in without giving it a zoom in function of the camera. Depending on the dino you could even change the effect or make it so it only gets the effect at night time with night vision, or instead of it giving a outline of things moving give it enhanced vision for colors commonly on its dietary prey. All of these serve the purpose to help carnivores spot and begin hunting prey that are within visual range but otherwise wouldn’t be seen without great eyesight.

vague crest
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could somebody might tell me why I can't see ripples in the water as a deino?

amber cosmos
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no idea

fiery shell
limber hull
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@minor field wdym by the prevention mechanic

minor field
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it was meant to prevent alt bite spam but all it does is just make the game feel clunkier

limber hull
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i haven't seen that

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but it will never cease to amaze how pachy can feel less and less smooth with basically all updates

karmic copper
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When will ai be fixed?

amber cosmos
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happy new year from central US

limber hull
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@leaden prism green doesn't mean 100% HP

leaden prism
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you see my point

limber hull
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wdym

leaden prism
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if I'm at 100%, why is there still tons of red splatter covering up the screen so deeply

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why is there that much for what could be 99.9% max HP

limber hull
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green is like, anywhere between 75% and 100% HP

leaden prism
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I think the damage feedback with the splashes could be adjusted to be a little less for higher health. It feels like I'm constantly from 1-60% when you have so much red all over

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and sometimes it's green and you still have it covering that much, it just feels like too much.

limber hull
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blood splats are a lil weird yea

lusty silo
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@shadow chasm I hear them no problem

limber hull
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@blissful wren many herbivores are forced to kill in order to survive (stegos or tenos vs a pack of omniraptors, dilos, ceras or carnos), it's not fair to punish them for that

blissful wren
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I think they should be punished for murdering indiscriminately, not defending themselves

limber hull
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how will you ever be able to tell the difference lol

blissful wren
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Idk man a pachy seeing a juvie herra halfway across the map and sprinting to it so it can break its neck seems pretty intentional

limber hull
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but in that situation, herrera can (and should) climb out of harm's way

blissful wren
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Brother what

limber hull
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it can climb

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pachy can't

blissful wren
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I know it can climb

limber hull
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like if an omniraptor did the exact same thing, my reaction would be the exact same, shoulda just climbed to safety

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except omniraptor is better at it because it's faster and pins the herrera, giving it zero chance to escape

blissful wren
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A utah has a reason to kill though

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It needs food, a pachy is just doing it because it’s bored

limber hull
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a pachy also can defend young or itself by pre-emptively killing possible threats

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if it were unavoidable it'd be a problem, but it isn't

blissful wren
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Like anybody actually nests in this game

limber hull
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did i mention nesting

blissful wren
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“Defend young”

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Read your own messages

limber hull
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juvis exist

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it's not hatchling/adult as the only two growth stages

blissful wren
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I am aware

limber hull
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herbivores KOSing has honestly always been a major non-issue to me tbh, and absolutely not worthy of punishment

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i play mainly Troodon and Omni too

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well actually now it's troodon, omni and herrera since that was released

hexed timber
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@shadow chasm #general-feedback message imo we need more dinos with a silent crouch, not less. (also i can barely hear them each single time, turn your volume up and use a headset.)

limber hull
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cerato shouldn't be one of the quiet ones

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it's supposed to be a loud bully creature, it's RMB is louder than most calls lol

hexed timber
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if rex can have things under its foot to be sneaky, then its not impossible that other carnis had this to muffle their crouch

limber hull
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okay but why cera tho, that thing is built to be loud and a terrible ambush hunter

hexed timber
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because crouching is being sneaky

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because crouching has as main objective to make as little sound and create as little visibility as possible

limber hull
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why not let it have some noise though

hexed timber
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u know how sad i actually get when my omni tries to be sneaky and its just "Rss Rss Rss PLOOF Rss Rss Rss" 😂

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can hear me from a mile

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1 tiny drop and ul hear PLOOF PLOOF PLOOFPLOOF in quick succession 😂 they need to fix crouching to be more silent anyway in general

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cera is fine, at least it works on 1 dino

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the old skool legacy OMG THERE IS A REX IN THIS BUSH BUT ITS 2 METERS AWAY FROM ME AHHH , reactions is what evrima lacks tbh

limber hull
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i dont think EVRIMA lacks that at all

hexed timber
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it does

limber hull
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deino literally is all that and more

hexed timber
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u can hear a bush 500 meters up ahead

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matter of speech ofc im overexadurating

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but nah, legacy supreme in sneaking up on people

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and it made plenty of sound

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depending how close u were

limber hull
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i dont think that making everything quiet as a sun shower is the way to make a fun game

hexed timber
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not quiet

desert arch
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Tbh ambushing in legacy was way easier thanks to the speed boosts

limber hull
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and i think if cera specifically is essentially muted while crouching, that sounds like a bug

hexed timber
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quiet(er)

limber hull
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i mean, crouching really isn't that loud in EVRIMA at all

hexed timber
hexed timber
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i play max volume

desert arch
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Depends on terrain, it only rly makes noticable sounds in forests

hexed timber
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so il hear you every single time

limber hull
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okay but not everyone wants to blow out their eardrums lol

hexed timber
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yes fair , mud does sound a bit better, and if i am inside a base, i am quiet also

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but forest are extremely loud even when u dodge bushes on purpose

hexed timber
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same with sneaky stuff, you might not even comprehent the actual noise sneaking makes if you play half volume

limber hull
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the forest is full of dried leaves and sticks, there is no universe where several hundreds to thousands of kilos animals and snapping and cracking something with basically every step

hexed timber
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dried leaves and sticks on a rainstorm?

desert arch
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If its stroming making sounds while sneaking doesnt rly matter though

limber hull
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basically yea

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storms wash out most other sounds significantly

hexed timber
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ok well what bout walking on grass , why should it be so loud then ?

desert arch
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Even calls get drowned out by thunder/heavy rain

hexed timber
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hardend mud with drums burried below?

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the best part is, dilo has all these things 💀 its hella sneaky

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they did that very correct

hexed timber
limber hull
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dilo literally has specifically louder footsteps

hexed timber
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if you say so

limber hull
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no it literally does

desert arch
limber hull
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it's got the same footstep sounds as ceras and carnos

hexed timber
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sneaking footsteps sound?

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or just walking?

limber hull
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perhaps there's something wrong with the sneaking sound of creatures of that size

limber hull
hexed timber
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perhaps there is ALOT wrong with the game rn 😛 how about we roll with that

limber hull
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no because why does that matter lol

hexed timber
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because you love this game no?

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doesnt it matter to you what state its in?

desert arch
hexed timber
limber hull
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it does but I don't care to constantly discuss how bad the game is every single update and every single conversation

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it's literally the most boring thing

hexed timber
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so you kinda come out when u see someone say something you dont approve off, so you can stop their evil ways?

limber hull
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what?

hexed timber
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if i may put it like that 😂

limber hull
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i literally have no idea what you're even talking about with that lol

hexed timber
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its ok

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just a observation i made, didnt wanna rile you up

limber hull
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wdym rile me up???

mate i still don't understand what you meant

hexed timber
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there is another one who specificly seems to come out when i speak up

limber hull
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i'm confused if anything

hexed timber
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good

desert arch
hexed timber
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thats howi feel when i play survival 😛

limber hull
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you did it again lol

hexed timber
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poor troodon

desert arch
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I wish troodon was betterTI_Succ

hexed timber
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ok ok, il deactivate trolling.exe, what i tryna say is, plenty is wrong with the game rn, so i want all of it fixed cuz i am a selfish entitled gamer who wants to be able to play the isle in prime state

limber hull
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okay, weird bizarre sub-tangent aside

cera's footsteps being too quiet might be directly linked with dilo also having very quiet crouching footsteps, and might be a bug amongst the entire size-class

hexed timber
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i need to be able to tell those POT and BOB people like, The Idle on top!

limber hull
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it's still a matter of opinion lol

hexed timber
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could be a bug, i think the whole sneaking sound thing could be reworked cuz there is actually something wrong if u cant hear a cera but you hear like a brassband when a omni tries to descent a hill

limber hull
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i mean, it should be loud when you fall from a height as an animal of that size

hexed timber
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idk about that boss

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when you as a human jump from a roof ( think parkour freerunning)

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u can litterally break ur fall, but also the sound of it

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so dont u think a raptor who is hunting, would "break their fall as silently as possible" ?

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i feel crouch drops should have that effect , and normal drops should just be the sound we have today

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example swamp: those little plateau thingies, i sit on them quite often. And if i sneak off that thing, the entire area knows a raptor is nearby

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in simple terms what i saying is

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crouching should muffle sounds further

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if i run off

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sure , gimme a loud sound

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but if i try to carefully drop myself as quietly as possible while crouching, then it be nice if the game would play ball with me and make me quieter

jovial hazel
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You've done this from another perspective? What you hear is not what everyone else hears. Sound is weird in this game.

limber hull
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humans can roll. A raptor would break its neck

raptors also weigh 450kg compared to our 80

hexed timber
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when i try to let my friends fight me to train, and they do some sneaky stuff around me, very easy to detect ( and around me is a radius of like 25 meters)

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for context

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in legacy i remember u could detect crouching, but u'd hear it like 10 meters away from you at best?

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and we need that aswell, for the horror element and the jumpscares

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i miss the jumpscares legacy had, + this game is advertising as horror, so its perfect no?

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we gotta make it as scary as possible for the humans 😄

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if they can hear u 25 meters up ahead planning things, thats a case of backup and aim that general direction 😂

hexed timber
#

ok its lighter then a raptor (figure that)

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but im pretty sure tigers are hella quiet

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dispite weight

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think it comes down to , did the raptor have a technique to land better , or not

blissful wren
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All cats can basically control how much sound they make

hexed timber
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true maybe a bad comparison since its the ninja species

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but to make a point that heavier animals can still be quiet

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maybe raptors could control their sound for all we know

blissful wren
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Many birds too, i imagine many dromeosaurids might be able to control the sounds they make

hexed timber
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nobody been there, we just speculating

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well ty , that kinda reinforces my suggestion xD

blissful wren
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Feathers might help muffle sounds too

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Not that feathers are very common in the isle

hexed timber
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wait till theri is released, ul see feathers on the floor left n right as the hypetrain goes on till its first nerf

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maybe a cool idea to have feather dinos, shed feathers from time to time that could be detected by scent

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but after like 3 min so the dino can move away from it

desert arch
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That wont happen since its a herbivore, none of th herbies were good on initial releaseTI_Succ

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When stego first came out it could be solod by a dryo (im not joking)

hexed timber
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lmao

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i just know when rex will be released it will be hyper overtuned, and they wont fix it , cuz its an ai in officials

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so thats gonna be fun

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and when i say overtuned i mean that poor trike is gonna have a bad time

desert arch
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Pachy was 1 shot to omni pounce, teno also and dryo was just broken

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The only op herbi in isle history was hypsi. It could blind on bodyshots X)

hexed timber
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u can perma blind atm

desert arch
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yeah ik

hexed timber
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while they hold E to clean and u apply it again, perma blind

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and if u do it again, u take their blind away

desert arch
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yeah, my friend was the first to find that bug haha

limber hull
hexed timber
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kinda troll ngl, spawn in full adult, perma blind what u can and die

limber hull
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U6 pachy was disgusting

desert arch
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oh yeah

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well thats still only 2

hexed timber
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wasnt teno like way stronger then omni when evrima just released?

limber hull
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in U3 dryo was the strongest animal in the game iirc

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nah teno has never been OP

desert arch
hexed timber
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idk i feel the first days of playing i seen many raptors bite it to single teno's

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wasnt pounce like busted where ud fall over and , might aswell go afk to grab a drink for your next grow cuz ur not getting up?

desert arch
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it was kinda rock, paper, scissors back then. it was either a 1 shot or death

hexed timber
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its 2 years ago i tried it i think, remember leaving due to horrible combat lag

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and i mean horrible

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came back 5 months ago and started to learn things, but fr idk what im lookin at because, things work just fine, one could argue a playable to be in their best state and finally working, and next patch they adjust it again

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and im like WHY, isnt there a holy rule to never fix something that is not broken?

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so yeah i think the future of this game is gonna be tweaking numbers forever

desert arch
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Deino players always ask for buffs, meanwhile teno gets nerfed every update

limber hull
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i literally do not know

midnight heath
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Stamina aside I still think cera is in an alright spot

sage sun
#

@finite halo queue -> the thing in which you wait (server queue)

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but yea, joining a server is a horrible experience

midnight heath
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@narrow narwhal Herbivores have to already move across the map every few hours to get food that might not even be there rather than AI spawning nearby like carnivores. Not to mention most herbivores can barely defend themselves already and have to worry about carnivores steamrolling them the moment they're seen. Not sure where the "herbivores have had it easy for too long" stems from. Not to mention multiple different herbivores eat the same foods in the migration zones, other members of the same species also eat that food so competition already exists.

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There have been times where migration zones don't spawn food or all the food types and there's genuinely no other way to get food for them. Compared to a carnivore possibly finding AI or killing almost any species to get any nutrition via organs.

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It really comes off as if you don't play herbivore very often.

lapis swallow
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@barren zephyr bro, something is wrong with your PC. I get 144 fps on most places except like 60 on the NE hotspot

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I have a 4080

barren zephyr
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too expensive for me lol, ig devs won't optimize the game so i will have to play like this until i get a new pc

lapis swallow
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OH

barren zephyr
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i have a 3060ti

lapis swallow
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I read as if you had a 4090

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I am sorry

barren zephyr
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lol

lapis swallow
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but yeah. 30 fps for 3060ti is still weird

barren zephyr
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fr

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and 60 on a 4080...

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better not talk lol

lapis swallow
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60 on the crazy hotspot

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where like 30 bodies and 20 players are

barren zephyr
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damn

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well, not that bad then

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bodies give too much lag

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me on normal places with no bodies i get 60-50 frames

hidden mist
# barren zephyr me on normal places with no bodies i get 60-50 frames

I have 3060ti GDDR6 (KFA2 Black X) too and still get 60+ on Epic mostly everywhere without Nvidia DLSS, but with RTX (it probably doesn’t work though) and Lumen enabled. Other specs are 12400f, 16 Gbs RAM (3200 fq). With Nvidia DLSS and all other on Epic mostly 40-60 frames. With mixed High-Epic settings (but ‘Effects’ on Medium cuz devs didn’t damn optimise the ‘Foliage Physics’) and Nvidia DLSS I get 60+ frames everywhere, even if I look at swamp from above. Playing in Full HD though.

So I guess there’s actually smth wrong with your PC 🧐

But I agree about optimisation in general. Still no fixes to fps drops at sunrises/sunsets near big bodies of water, no fixes to ‘Foliage Physics’ which has decided to render vegetation movement literally EVERYWHERE for some reason…

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I even can get full 130-140 fps on Epic settings in Highlands, if no water around and without Nvidia DLSS.

barren zephyr
glass canyon
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Game is just not optimized. My 4070ti Aero on Epic in 1440p with using G-Sync, HDR, DLSS (does it work here ?) i get most of the time/map 90-180fps. I also get just 50fps on random places. Ur 3060ti is not that Performance Beast but we all have the same issues/Problems. Wait for what devs will do.

narrow narwhal
finite halo
#

you can guys cry her all u want here in those dc general feedbacks and ect 🙂 but tell me one thing how many our ideas and good takes on the game was implimented ? they made those channels with general feedback and bla bla bla just for us to get busy and whine while they doing their own things non of the our good ideas was implemented there is no connection between devs and us

lapis swallow
midnight heath
# narrow narwhal I have not played one sence the update so things might be a bit different. Maybe...

I don't think AI walk towards water sources to begin with, their pathing is... Special to say the least and I think they just so happen to be near bodies of water. Having AI consume diet plants in the same sense that the bird AI consume corpses would be terrible considering again that other members of the same species, other species and plants just not spawning it'd mean absolutely no food for herbivores.

finite halo
midnight heath
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I'm all for AI acting more realistic but I don't realistically think that'll happen.

lapis swallow
midnight heath
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Like genuinely fresh migration zones sometimes just don't spawn in food in general, herbivores don't have a choice on where to eat currently as it's that migration zone or nothing.

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Nothing in the zone? Wait 2 hours for the new one and hope.

lapis swallow
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The system was kinda working last update

finite halo
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@lapis swallow think realistic max player base on daily 6k they have no new players they have no income how they paying their workers ? no one is buying the game a lot of people doesnt even know the isle is here. also half the 6k players are in classic og isle and half of them chinese

lapis swallow
lapis swallow
narrow narwhal
finite halo
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@lapis swallow its not that hard to see the game in that bad state rn look at updates look at how slowly they working think realisticly how much they making from isle do you see new players ? new players doesnt even know how to join servers cuz they not fixed for years.

finite halo
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the only thing this discord and game is alive bcs a lot of delulu here thinking it will be better one day

lapis swallow
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Because I could just say the opposite and it would have the same weight. Both of us did not give any sources

finite halo
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@lapis swallow doesnt matter who right the state of the game is the reality

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either they poor to make the game good or too greedy to make game good

lapis swallow
finite halo
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im not saying no income

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im hoping of no income

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then it would be kinda justified why they so slow on everyting

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because if the game is that poor the money can fix it its the most easiest way to bring it back to life

lapis swallow
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they dont even advertise rn. even further, they are trying to EXPAND their team, so even more spending. this is a sign that they are good on money

finite halo
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so they greedy then

lapis swallow
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how? its a 20 dollar game without any microtransactions

finite halo
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idk what you trying to trick me or yourself ? you wanna tell me if i buy game for 20dollars and iplaay isle im having good time ?

lapis swallow
finite halo
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the game is "BARELY" alive because people like u still playing it and dont see any problems with that

proud coral
finite halo
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but its good thing for isle i guess it need more of u so it can be playable

lapis swallow
finite halo
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dont forget the old isle too cuz half of players not in evrima

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look im not hating the isle or whatever. im just tired of each update the game is getting worse and worse

proud coral
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Officials on Evrima are almost always full/very near full. Then you've got certain unofficials that go beyond 100 slots and even those are nearly always full/near full. Player count is fine 🤷

finite halo
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yes 10 servers with 100 players is fine

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do you really guys cant see the bigger plan

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it has so much potential the isle

lapis swallow
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I counted about 2000 players on evrima rn

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could be more

finite halo
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does it makes game better or more active ? no the problems is still there

lapis swallow
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and, its not even EU prime time

finite halo
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dont try to prove useless facts

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its 5k or 4k or 3k

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doesnt matter

lapis swallow
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The game state is bad, I know this. Should I stop playing the game or what?

finite halo
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a lot of people should stop not only us

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how you can reach devs otherwise ?

lapis swallow
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I still dont get why the devs are greedy when they dont even advertise the game

finite halo
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if you think they reading all our whines in feedback oh god u naive

finite halo
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i mean for years years

urban flax
finite halo
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if u played og isle u know there was much more problems if you just enjoyer who joined recently i think u cant even talk about it

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half the players left half of them went delulu

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where is money going ? into what all i can see the game is getting worse than before ?

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then maybe start advertise fix the thing that pressing the game for years

lapis swallow
finite halo
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because your answers just like npc yes i can ignore all those problems and believe everyting. i actually did years before

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but all their answers are the same

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they not getting bigger thy not hiring new devs they not having anything undercontrol

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its not my opinion its a fact that i can see when i launch the isle

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its not about how much players they have or how much do you hate or love the isle. it was about the state of the game going wrong and bad more and more with each update. thats why im assumed they poor. because i dont wanna believe they lazy

glass canyon
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I think that the mods pass on some relevant information to the developers and this information is then processed. Until then, they are in a queue until their turn. or the more often a bug is reported, the faster it is classified as a relevant problem and is dealt with?!

Just an idea. I know this kind of working on bugfixes from War Thunder

finite halo
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keep your good ideas to yourself:)

glass canyon
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Devs cant see and fix every little bug with one update. This is a process that will bring new bugs so it will take time. But yes, a (We work on it) call will be nice to know that we are noticed

finite halo
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if they wanted us to help them fix things they would make contact with us and showing what they fixed by our noticed stuff and ect

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look at the feedbacks and look how many people commenting on useless stuff and voting. look how many things they report its no way they even look at this

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they making 30+ new problems to fix for them in a day

glass canyon
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Ur absolutly right ! But we just can wait and hope. I also hope they know that this game can be the best Game in this genre and dont let it crash.

finite halo
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do you think im that angry because im a hater ? i was trying my best test report most biggest problems tested all the time played all betas pointed so many big problems

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they banned me two times

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because its not my job to do that

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my job is to whine in feedback channels

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not try to point out smart ideas for them to help with the game

unique shell
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the ilse is old as heck and still mixpacking a thing do devs even play there own game?

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figures some dont want the devs to crack down on it.

desert arch
feral solstice
unique shell
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Innocent mixpackers

feral solstice
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Huh

unique shell
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right because they can not make a system that prevents deino,s protecting herbie herds

feral solstice
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Think of a system that won’t get abused by those same mixpackers into hurting innocent players

unique shell
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The whole it cant be done is horse turd i doubt they ever tried making a system and test it

feral solstice
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Congrats, you can’t think of one

desert arch
unique shell
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the community literly forces me to bring out friends and mixpack whit them

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as a solo its not much fun even though i evaded them i can not get into a fight

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or hunt because mixpackers fill all gaps

unique shell
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have a automated detection system that see if a carnivore does not bite a herbie whit in like 2 to 3 meters they get kicked

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they should fight or aviod each other

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not sit on a lake sunbathe and protect each other

proud coral
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Gallimimus player who is purposely following a slower carnivore and avoiding their bites so that the carnivore gets kicked: TI_Troll

desert arch
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Carnivores who can still freely mixpack:TI_Troll

unique shell
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whit a good detection system they can program so diffrent species can not be arround each other in a small raduis

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it will take time to develop a system like that

proud coral
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Also an issue if an herbivore just happens to be hiding close by and suddenly poof, you get kicked for not attacking a player you didn't know who's there
Can also just abuse the distance and stay just far away enough to still be together, but not get kicked
There's also the problem of if you make the distance too big, it worsens the previous problems I mentioned even more

Anything relying on player proximity can be very, VERY finnicky

unique shell
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heey i am suggesting some thing

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its not my job to find out how it works and should work

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all i am saying that mixpacking is a problem in my opion

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i should say still is a problem

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to me there is no excuse devs can make

proud coral
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Migrations is supposed to help with problematic mixpacking (as even the devs agree not ALL mix packing is bad eg; Dryo and Stegos). Though migrations aren't exactly....good right now nor even working properly

unique shell
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migration wont fix any thing

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herbies can still graze

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they will never starve

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there is zero encentive given for herbies to move arround

cyan flame
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Mixing is a problem, but there's few good solutions and most can be abused or otherwise worked around, so it's not easy to solve

proud coral
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Well they'd eventually get a poor diet which can lead to many issues, but I've always agreed that grazing is awful.

cyan flame
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To be fair, living only on grazing will make you utterly useless

proud coral
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Never liked the idea of "huehue I held a button now I bypassed an entire survival game mechanic"

unique shell
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who gives a rats ass about poor diet if you are a stego whit a herd nothing will touch you

cyan flame
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Sure, you won't starve, but you also won't be capable of doing much of anything

proud coral
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Well, a poor diet drastically decreases damage and I think makes you take more damage as well

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So a malnourished Stego is quite weak

cyan flame
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You... do know how harsh the debuffs are, right? And if you starve, you can only have 20% food, so you're way more vunerable to bleed, on top of the debuffs for that

unique shell
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yea like stego cares there are no heavy brawlers carnivores

icy lion
cyan flame
proud coral
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It does a lot of horrible effects like that I'm pretty sure. More vulnerable to bleed, fractures, I think just damage in general, worse stamina regen, faster stam loss, etc.

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Pretty sure essentially every aspect of your animal just tanks

unique shell
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still wont matter if you are in a mixpacking herd though

cyan flame
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Decrease all kinds of regens, increase the impact of damage and stamina and all, decreases scent, NV and so on

unique shell
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you can decrease a statt does not chance the playerbase

cyan flame
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It makes the mixpacking group much weaker than it would be otherwise

unique shell
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yes but right now there is nothing that can kill them

cyan flame
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Which is one way to counter it, or at least limit the danger the group poses

unique shell
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unless you bring a huge group or bring a mixpacking army your self

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i am disgusted that i am being forced to mixpack and since i refuse i will just stop playing

lapis swallow
unique shell
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how else can you fight a mixpacking group?

lapis swallow
cyan flame
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You could avoid them if you can scent them out in time possibly

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But with hotspots and all, there's not many other good places to go to

unique shell
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a survival game about pvp but just avoid and live on Ai

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fun game play

icy lion
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You can also play on servers with rules against it

unique shell
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we all know how bad those servers are

cyan flame
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I mean, surviving is surviving, some critters rely on AI, and avoidance is a useful concept after all

unique shell
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if i want friend politics i will go to parliment

cyan flame
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Pretty sure there's a good few decent servers with simple rules for things like this

unique shell
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if legacy time and private servers thought me any thing is that the more you spend and the more you are up the ladder whit some one the less rules you have

lapis swallow
unique shell
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i doubt that

lapis swallow
unique shell
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bro admins wont hurt there wallet or friends

lapis swallow
unique shell
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just like the real world rules dont apply equally

unique shell
lapis swallow
# unique shell stop being so naive

Why should I be naive. I have played with on that server for months now, have played with the admins and they have always respected the rules

unique shell
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the only way the game can improve is a anti mixpacking system having to run on private servers and hope admins have a shred of morrality isnt the way

cyan flame
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Then we need to figure out a good system for that, which is a lot easier said than done

unique shell
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i never said it was easy

cyan flame
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And until then, private servers with rules might be the best option we have

unique shell
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all i want is a fun gameplay for people

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and i want to see a good the isle

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as of now its still a bad game in my opinion

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just wait untill they add apexes mixpacking gona be whole new level

lapis swallow
unique shell
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but enough said have a good night all i am heading out

lapis swallow
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I dont think that we will get a good anti-mixpacking system

feral solstice
narrow narwhal
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@desert tendon i agree with your points but Ptera is just fine. maybe some stam use adjustments for newer players so there is not such a learning curve. They have shown in a stream somewhere there are going to be like air updrafts that you can fly into to ascend easier.

from water access fresh spawn i can fly to any point on the map without landing no problem, you have to take off, then aim your camera strait forward and W key and angle the camera up untill you start flaping, good for going long distances and gaining height, after you are up high enough you just got to glide. There is a video on YouTube by jjfajen called "Playing Pteranodon on Gateway - The Good, The Bad, and Nesting | The Isle" that will show what I'm talking about, within the first ~6 minutes

desert tendon
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the problem isnt the stam its the distribution of food

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fish barely spawn

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any ai you find which makes up the majority of its diet will be in east plains and no where else

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flying isnt difficult or super intuitive the problem comes with the game fundamentels, not the creature itself

narrow narwhal
undone pewter
lapis swallow
undone pewter
hidden mist
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My two cents would be that Petite Pieds is a top-top server. Played there for 30+ hours, not a single admin was naughty, also I was almost immediately helped to get an unstuck when fell into that tiny cleft at the waterfall on Spiro lol.

narrow narwhal
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@gray loom I love your Trackers idea. If not just standard for certain tracking carnivors, it could be a mutation choice so you and your pack of utas, carnos, ect, can have "job specializations". Someone Taking this to track down living dinos and the other having the normal to locate downed corpses

undone pewter
north quiver
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tracking down living players effortlessly is pretty boring imho

the current foot track system is fine (though I actually wouldn’t mind if footprints and blood lasted longer)

amber cosmos
cyan flame
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@lost glen What needs fixing in question?

north quiver
amber cosmos
north quiver
# amber cosmos did you read the part two as well?

i get the reasoning for the wind tracking but tracking live players locations (unless its via footprints or blood) has always been a big no-no for me even if it’s for herbivores

for the enhanced hearing, that won’t really be needed if the audio was actually good and you could hear a 2 or even 1 ton creature stomping carelessly up towards you lol

and for the increased sight via outline, also a big no-no for me because I feel like it doesn’t reward genuinely sneaky players and doesn’t punish oblivious players

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honestly I wouldn’t mind a zoom in for eagle eyed playables

amber cosmos
north quiver
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I was initially thinking it’d be like the megapack symbol, which just locks onto some unfortunate player and follows them around to show their exact location lol

icy lion
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@pliant vessel If a stego outran your cera, it was hacking. Use the official server channels to report them

jagged coral
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too bad the dryosaurus can't dig anymore

cyan flame
desert arch
rapid bloom
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maybe

limber hull
pliant vessel
limber hull
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younger animals have more stam

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i'd honestly not be surprised if it could run for that long

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i'd honestly not be surprised if it still had plenty of stam left tbh

pliant vessel
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While moving that fast and spamming tail swipe every 5 seconds? Yeah, that's awful.

limber hull
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yea if it's small probably

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you have no idea how much bonus stam you get simply for being younger

latent olive
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why did you get a new profile picture goddamnit that throws me off

limber hull
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just as planned

pliant vessel
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Oh, I know. Stam as a juvie is massive compared to adults. Stam as a juvie herrera can get me at least a 1/4 of the way around the map. As an adult, I go run up that hill and gotta rest again.

gray loom
# north quiver i get the reasoning for the wind tracking but tracking live players locations (u...

First off it definitely does reward the sneaky players and punish the oblivious players, and secondly I dont think he meant for all carnivores to recieve these abilities. But having stronger senses that cater to a carnis diet or niche is not an unreasonable thing to add. Generally speaking I actually agree with your name, but in fairness the most prominent herbies in game are already more than powerful enough. Those being stego, teno, and pachy, which call all trample the current roster of carnis. Deino is the only one that has a chance to actually beat all 3 of them. Otherwise there needs to be a skill gap between the players

hidden mist
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Hm, I actually would like to see in the future more individual (or genus?) ‘passive’ abilities, such as an increased FOV for creatures with eyes on sides, ‘wind’ sensitivity for creatures with good sense of smell (not obvious, of course, just a stronger shaking of those lines on the compass); zoom, as has been said, for creatures with eagle-like eyes…

proper marsh
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@spice dock I don't think they can fix that. They have tried to fix it many times before

limber hull
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the issue is the player count isn't broken, it's accurately displaying how many people are in the server

spice dock
limber hull
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that's because of the queue system

spice dock
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then ig fix the queue system

limber hull
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the queue system has a weird thing where it goes waaay too slow, and as long as a queue exists, you can't join. You also can't join a queue unless there's 100 players

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So what happens is we end up getting queue backlogs that no one can join

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i legitimately believe the queue system is mostly unnecessary and personally would not care if it were removed from all officials

north quiver
# gray loom First off it definitely does reward the sneaky players and punish the oblivious ...

having a literal outline around a player because they dared to press a movement key doesn’t really sound like it’s punishing oblivious players

and my name is kinda old now, but herbivores have definitely been going in the right direction slowly but surely ever since I changed my name to this. teno has horrible stam consumption for attacks (which apparently wasn’t intentional TI_Perfect so I’m happy about that. it needs to be reverted), and dilo isn’t trampled. in fact, it needs to be tuned down a bit. not nerfed to the ground, but definitely tuned down

as for pachy, I haven’t touched it with a 10 foot pole but apparently it can still be demolished by a single omni (though that matchup seems to be determined by clunky servers, pounce working, and bonk working. also skill). and as far as I’m aware, dilo can both run it down and facetank it

stego is… stego. it needs to trample the current carni roster or else apexes and larger carni additions are going to wipe the floor with it with how powerful (and fast when compared to stego) they’re going to be

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also a single carno can still solo a teno with the current teno stam consumption. it’s incredibly easy to run them out of stam

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it’s also incredibly easy to kill a teno with a few dilos too with how their current venom works, their speed, and the current teno stam. it’s honestly underwhelming and sad

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but that’s from dilo being a typical new addition and being a bit too overtuned for the rest of the roster

limber hull
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i'm not entirely convinced teno's changes were intentional either

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it's listed nowhere in patch notes, nor by devs or QA

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and the current stam values are the same as Spiro values

spice dock
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can someone explain to me why a pachy can 1 shot a baby carno?

limber hull
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why would it not be able to do that lol

spice dock
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idk I just got smacked by a pachy and I'm confused how I got oneshot out of nowhere?

limber hull
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its a baby carno vs a 500kg living battering ram

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the baby carno ain't living

spice dock
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ik but 1 shot?

limber hull
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yes

spice dock
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it should even be able to reach that low?

limber hull
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this isn't PoT, we do have one shots

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and in the case of most animals vs a tiny baby, expect the tiny baby to get shredded

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if a pachy couldn't one shot a baby carno, that's not looking good for its chances against any adult opponent

lucid robin
faint lagoon
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Server EU1 Speedhacker Croc vs Speedhacker Croc, now i have see all xD

limber hull
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@fathom moth bleed already massively reduces health and stamina regeneration, it doesn't need to do more

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making bleed do all that would make it better than every fracture combined

shy python
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@limber hull What makes you love mix packing between herbi and carni so much?

limber hull
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no, i hate it

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but the debuff doesn't work

shy python
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Then why dislike my suggestion?

limber hull
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it makes things worse

shy python
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How would you handle it? There's no negative right now for it?
if you "hate" mixpacking then what's wrong with a debuff? Stress for herbivores for being in close proximity with carnivores and carnivores have increased hunger decrease due to living with their food.

limber hull
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what debuff can you suggest that won't be abused by players?

shy python
limber hull
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"stress" is vague, what do you mean by that?

shy python
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or less stamina so many options here I am just suggesting that they make it harder to mix pack and abuse it

limber hull
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i get troodons in a discord call to sit outside of a stegosaurus' range and inflict debuffs on them. Who cares if the troodons starve, they're troodons

then I, as a rex, rock up to the weakened stego and easily wreck it, my mixpacking has now become even stronger

shy python
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I would suggest mate

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there be a limit a tiny troodon won't affect a stego

limber hull
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then you have certain mixpacks which take advantage of the size differences

opaque inlet
shy python
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stegos would be stressed out by anything big e.g. cera/carno+

raptors would have big reduced hunger or debuff for sitting with them

opaque inlet
shy python
limber hull
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pachy, for instance, could be small enough to not negatively impact a rex, allowing the pachy to break legs for the rex

shy python
limber hull
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i think merely punishing carnis with "hungry" while herbis have to deal with way harsher buffs isn't great

shy python
shy python
opaque inlet
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But what about the carno chasing the slower herbivore? Is the slower herbivore unimpacted the same way the carno is not impacted by the galli?

shy python
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so things of a similar weight both get affected

shy python
opaque inlet
limber hull
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and then you have to think about the fact that animals like omniraptor rely on staying near one big herbi for a long time, as they are endurance/bleeder hunters

they'd be debuffed for regular hunting

shy python
opaque inlet
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Like literally any of them

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Tell me what would happen for all of them, teno, stego, pachy, dryo, ect

shy python
limber hull
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For a raptor pack to hunt a stego? A good while

shy python
opaque inlet
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But then would the be able to mix-pack with carno?

shy python
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dryo should run tf away and also stay near their herd for protection

opaque inlet
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Like a carno seeking safety from a stego friend?

shy python
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pachy should also stick with the herd in migration zones but it can break carno legs with relative ease and run off

opaque inlet
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Would pachy be stressed from a following carno or not?

shy python
shy python
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but the idea is CLOSE proximity for a period of time

limber hull
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okay but wouldn't they just split up once in a while to avoid the debuffs

shy python
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you can't just sit under a stego and laugh at the thing hunting you

shy python
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stress wouldn't just go away in 2 seconds

opaque inlet
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Still, the carno could follow it with it's speed and kill it after it's debuffed, in fact it could debuff a whole herd that way. Unless the proximity has to be 'touching,' but then they could stille fight together- let pachy leg break an animal, pachy runs away so that it's not in proximity when the carno comes in to finish the job

shy python
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if dilo venom takes 10 minutes from one bite stress should be dangerous too

shy python
opaque inlet
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Ye

shy python
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Yes the pachy should opt to go sit with their herd for comfort (anti stress) or attack the carno and shatter its legs and head

limber hull
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i dont think dilo venom is a good comparison because that mechanic is hilariously overtuned and unfun

shy python
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^ ik 🤣

opaque inlet
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Ah okay so a herd would reduce the carno's ability to stress them

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Still, pachy vs carno 1 v 1 is very hard for the pachy

shy python
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I think being near a herd should give counter stress but additional stress for the carnivore

opaque inlet
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The stress debuff you'd get while the carno is attacking you would make it harder

opaque inlet
shy python
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It shouldn't be instant debuff 5 seconds near something wouldn't stress you

shy python
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Yet another reason for herbivores to play with a HERD

opaque inlet
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But not enough people play herbivore, and why 'need a group' when I could 'play something that doesnt need a group, and then group up anyway and be even stronger'?

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5 carnos beats 5 omni

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Or 5 teno v 5 omni

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Why play the 'teamwork animal' when I could play the animal that survives independently and STILL use teamwork?

shy python
opaque inlet
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Thank you for asking, I will try my best

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In a 1 v 1, raptor vs teno, raptor usually looses if both have equal skill

shy python
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and yes not enough people play herbis but I think that's largely in part to no herds being found to play with so people are forced to play carnivore

opaque inlet
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Raptor is meant to be in groups though

limber hull
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"herd up" argument is kinda cringe frankly, and punishing solo herbis for being solo herbis isn't great for ensuring those herds exist in the first place

opaque inlet
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But why should I be a group of raptors if I could be a group of tenos instead?

shy python
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If a player wants to play solo they can nothing stops them but if they try to mix pack they'd get stressed

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the stress isn't from being 2 seconds away from a carnivore

opaque inlet
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I think he means more, don't tell herbivores to be in a group to survive

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As if that is their only way

shy python
opaque inlet
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Being in a group is not always under the player control, and more importantly, things that don't need groups - make the most powerful groups.

opaque inlet
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There are exceptions, cera is pretty slow.

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And galli of course is the fastest.

shy python
limber hull
# shy python and yes not enough people play herbis but I think that's largely in part to no h...

i mean, the reason herds are solemn found is generally because
A: Carnivore has more playable options (8 carnivores compared to 5 herbis)
B: Carnivore has more complete animals (3 out of the 5 herbis are literally incomplete)
C: Carnivores have more gameplay variety (nocturnals, flyers, aquatics, climbers, bleeders, sprinters, etc)
D: Herbivores kinda suck to play comparatively in terms of balance as solo animals, so people don't play them, and because people don't play them, herds can't form, and because herds can't form, people don't play them

shy python