general-feedback-discussion

[leaden cairn]

When I played I was mostly starved from lack of players and ai so maybe that's part of why it felt so bad. I think some dinos will need fixes, like ptera and deino, but with trot system or whatever they're working on and more food availability the stam might not be as bad as it is right now

[desert arch]

Poor thing didnt even get a chance for balancing

[desert arch]

From when I played deino, I realized that you dont want to sit for stam as an adult. Just swimming at normal speed will get you just as much as sitting

So deino is actually pretty stamina efficent

But yeah, ptera and beipi definetly need changes.
You know balancing is whack when the flier cant fly and the duck cant swim lol

[leaden cairn]

I could understand it if it was for speeding development up, but removing Spiro and forcing it is probably why people are so mad. I don't understand the money side of things though so maybe they removed Spiro servers for savings to help speed the new map up since its just a better map in general

[desert arch]

Didnt they make a sperate spiro branch just for this exact purpose? Ik officials are gone, and idk which unofficials stayed

[leaden cairn]

I haven't tried it yet, from what I've seen people are annoyed trying to get to the water though. Maybe once they fix the spawn bug the deino stam will be better

[desert arch]

But you still have the option to not play gateway if you want to

[leaden cairn]

Not sure, but keeping a few officials would've probably been smart. At least until new map gets ironed out a bit

[desert arch]

The spawn bug actually helps deino get to ponds it shouldnt be able to
Thanks to the bugged spawns it can get to pretty much every pond, which was almost 100% not intended

[leaden cairn]

Still needs a fix though so deino players won't really be able to leave solid feedback on stam until it is. From what I've heard I still think it'll need speeding up a bit unless the trot changes fix that, after all it is a game and people don't want to spend so much time sitting and not playing

[flat ruin]

where do i go to report stuck spots?

[leaden cairn]

But I'm sure they're working on it, hopefully

[lyric spoke]

thats the funniest thing ive heard all day. you do know theres no official servers for spiro right?

[desert arch]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[desert arch]

Yes, I am aware

[leaden cairn]

No officials and most unofficials are too empty to survive right now, my personal solution is to just give the game some time to fix things and just play other stuff for right now

[desert arch]

I expect the spiro branch to slowly get more players as the days go by, judging by the feedback

[leaden cairn]

For sure, depending on how long fixes take

[thin meadow]

I just think it's baffling for a relatively fresh spawn baby pt with 100% food and nutrients to take 4 mins to go from almost 0 stam to 100 lol. I timed it. It's about 4 mins on the dot. It's a "get food, sit for stam, get hungry while you're sitting for stam, get more food, repeat" game now lol

[leaden cairn]

That's wild because before ptera could fly forever it felt like

[strong belfry]

Why do dead elite fish just fly everywhere when you go near them underwater! Wow is there anything about this update that’s good

[thin meadow]

It can glide which is nice but still, I wanted to test how long it'd take with constant take offs since sometimes you might encounter that while eating from a busy gore. It shouldn't fly forever but it should at least regen stam at a playable speed

[leaden cairn]

Map was cool

[thin meadow]

I noticed that too! I finally caught it and brought it to land...it just flopped back into the water lol

[leaden cairn]

Yeah, not even like it's super risky because you can regen on rocks. More annoying than anything and seems more likely to starve, which while I think the risk of starving is important, it's also the most annoying and boring way to die

[thin meadow]

Yeah they do have good spots to regen stam on but like... I'm here to play a game. Not sit around all day and regen stam. If I wanted to sit around all day on a game, I'd play Beasts of Bermuda lol

[leaden cairn]

Yeah, I'm sure it'll iron out with the next few updates

[crisp topaz]

I feel like this is a deja vu moment where a while back people were begging for the opportunity to actually chill and enjoy the scenery. Now you have an opportunity to slow down a bit, and everyone is raging about it lol

Scale the food drain back a bit and you have the perfect recipe for not being forced to constantly move and hunt, which is what everyone "hated" doing.

[lethal cove]

god this stamina issue...i really really hope they can figure it out

[midnight heath]

That's been an issue for a really long time, it's not exclusive to this update.

[strong belfry]

Well I’ve never experienced that on spiro lol

[midnight heath]

I see it mostly in shallow waters, there's a small river far from the swamp that meets the boarder of the map and that's all you see; elite fish spawn and die and then for whatever reason throw themselves around.

Elite fish that kill themselves by "beaching" seem to mostly do it

[cursive heron]

seems random been playing horde test and never saw it till today

only happens sometimes cant seem to reproduce it

[midnight heath]

Again it seems to happen most to fish that kill themselves by pushing onto land, I'm not sure how the game registers it and in my experience it's mostly the coelacanth varient that does it; I see it in the catfish too but not nearly as much.

Thankfully as deino once you're big enough to hold food/swallow it, it no longer matters.

[strong belfry]

Yeh ur right there, it defo the ones that kill themselves, ones I kill don’t do that

[vivid bloom]

Love that they still have the issue where the server will say 82/100, but when you join it says full lol get it together

[untold wharf]

I hope so.

[mortal sequoia]

They should just remove the queue it was working good on the horde testing when they removed the queue. The server count was accurate once it went to 99 who ever clicked join at that moment got in.

[normal lotus]

This is one of the reasons. Another is a bug thay apparently JUST WONT DIE.

There are bugs that no matter what won't wanna get patched.

It's not the devs fault per se. The bug is just incredibly hard to get rid of.

[tawdry holly]

bro wtf are these pigeons things and why do they one shot ptera?

literally can't eat without them walking up and killing you

[serene wave]

kite them away grab food, repeat

or kill them if healthy and good on stam

[wind skiff]

yo yeah its nuts LOL i dealt with them easily as galli but with ptera being playable now, i was fg and it killed me so fast

little craps, just gotta skidaddle when they pop into existence near you

[tawdry holly]

but they're literally in our diets lmao

how does our diet kill us first?

[wind skiff]

our diet just has superior peck strength, clearly its a skill issue on our part

[tawdry holly]

[wind skiff]

[valid brook]

@urban bear they can still eat their diet, its just doesnt show that

[urban bear]

Did not know that

I nested beipies and they weren't getting nutrients and they couldn't find their diet plants

[valid brook]

yeah you still have to be at a migration zone, but they can get their diets from things other than the mushrooms

My stego hasnt touched a mushroom and is fully grown

[thin osprey]

@solar forum Can you explain why you downvoted immediately?? It's such a relatively simple suggestion, I want to hear your criticism.

[solar forum]

I'm trying to play a game

[thin osprey]

What?

@urban bear Same for you. Why are you against having less blurry stars? I need to know, it's baffling.

[urban bear]

Maybe a setting?

they look fine for me

[thin osprey]

It isn't a setting. Other friends have reported the same- blurry stars, especially at some angles as compared to others. Even if you are not experiencing the issue, why downvote the suggestion if others are experiencing it?

[limber hull]

because they don't see it as an issue, they see it as a settings problem lol

[thin osprey]

Strange decision to make- downvoting just because it doesn't affect you. Lol.

It's like someone asking for better accessibility and you downvote because you aren't disabled 💀

[limber hull]

no, it's like if someone asked for better graphics while actively putting everything on low, and it looks fine on high

[solar forum]

why are you so angry you put it up there to be judged

[thin osprey]

I'm not angry, moreso curious of why that decision was made. To actively downvote.

It's a suggestion to the devs for a feature that would benefit me and others who play, so I was curious why the decision was made to downvote the idea when it does affect at least some of the playerbase.

[solar forum]

it's not a huge problem

[urban bear]

it might honestly be a bug triggered by something we don't realize

[solar forum]

there's more important things that should be focused on

[thin osprey]

That could be true. There's a lot of bugs in the game, especially optimization issues.

[thin osprey]

That's fine, but things can be suggested "for later". It's not a huge issue, just something I noticed.

[urban bear]

yeah its a fresh release I honestly think it may be a bug by something you do not realizing its caused by what every it could be

[thin osprey]

As someone who loves looking at the stars at night, I wish there was more of a "milky way" type of look to the sky. Maybe some comets and whatnot.

[urban bear]

that would be nice, maybe eddit you're suggestion to include that

[thin osprey]

Sure.

[urban bear]

I would honestly love to see Legacy night sky come back

[thin osprey]

Oh yeah, that's really nice! I updated my suggestion, I hope it's a little better.

[agile roost]

#general-feedback message
I don't get why ptera can't even get a tiny bit of stamina while gliding. That's the whole point as to why birds glide, to regain energy to continue flying.

[pallid compass]

your post about the poll thing - they legit made a test branch specifically for this and still ignored all the feedback about stamina, I don't think a poll would fare much better honestly

[amber stump]

gateway is trash

[pallid compass]

what's wrong with the map?

[limber hull]

probably just poking for a reaction tbh

[pallid compass]

oh 100% im just wondering if there's even a single thought tumbling around in that peanut sized void in their head they call a brain

[wind skiff]

interesting

[forest seal]

map is fine update is trash

[pallid compass]

yeah completely agreed

its mostly the stam changes, they just feel poorly thought out

[forest seal]

yeah and performance still sucks

[pallid compass]

I've never had performance issues, but I've got a decent PC cause I do game dev stuff for a living

[forest seal]

but the game looks great! yay

[pallid compass]

but yeah i know people that cant run the game above 20fps sadly 😦

[forest seal]

they can fix dlss or fsr so it can actually help but thats also not happening

[barren zephyr]

what yall think about global chats

[forest seal]

its hard to execute properly

but it can be enabled for unofficial servers first to see if it actually helps or not

[calm flume]

spawned in as ptera and immediately lose all stam tryna fly. Dind't even get off the ground bc I keep tping back

[urban bear]

😂

[barren zephyr]

thats fr

[forest seal]

ptera is unplayable af

troodon also got same issues with stamina now

being so small and having to sit ages for stam recovery is unrealistic

even if thats the excuse for these changes

[pallid compass]

what do you mean fix? I thought it worked ok,

[pallid compass]

bruh all i play is troodon haha i agree its a bit annoying sitting around all time as this tiny thing

[forest seal]

i meant it helps so little and dlss dont even have options or dlaa

if u compare other games with dlss or fsr you can see its impact is so little in this game

[pallid compass]

all it's doing is playing the game at a lower resolution, you don't get much improvement past 1080-720p monitors. and if the dlss isnt doing much then the performance issue is somewhere else, probably tied to cpu

I dont think DLSS is something the devs can tune is what im saying so its not something they can fix, rather they would have to optimize elsewhere

[forest seal]

i have mid spec pc with better cpu then my graphics card for my system, im sure cpu is not the case and im already playing lower than 720p

i mean used dlss with many games and i havent seen this little impact in any game

[pallid compass]

thats what i mean, if you go lower than that you get diminishing returns, so the most noticable performance increase is when you go from 4k to 2k or 2k to 1080.

[forest seal]

i tried 2k and saw so little impact if thats the case

the dlss is definitely not proper for this game

[forest seal]

i didnt understand this sentence. If devs cant tune what else can? It certainly has issues.

[bitter ibex]

yo guys why u think devs make gateway for 500 players while servers are max 100 ?

[forest seal]

they can also bring up new unreal engine 5 things like frame generation etc.

[forest seal]

yeah map is too big for 100 players

[pallid compass]

because dlss is an nvidia thing. They have the AI cores on their cards, and they tune it. pretty much a slap on thing. you can optimize in so many other ways than dlss

[forest seal]

so many player said that too

[forest seal]

i got it now. so can't they make nvidia execute dlss properly for their game? Is it not worth rn maybe? Like for the money?

[pallid compass]

no no, Nvidia doesn't make exclusive performance tunes for specific games, just the algorithm to upscale the lower res images. Again DLSS doesn't actually change anything in the game, just the resolution. So you literally can't tune it for any specific game.

[forest seal]

so dlss being not impactful is an outcome of the game's own optimization?

[pallid compass]

yes completely, it could be that it's already pretty GPU optimized, so stuff like mesh density is already pretty good, but other stuff like code calculations could affect the game in other areas that DLSS cant account and improve for

[forest seal]

understood. Lets wait for the devs to priotize performance then...

after they fix the unplayable things of course

[tawdry holly]

is this supposed to happen at the southwest access (should be west and west railroad access should just be south) outpost?

[pallid compass]

im on the art side of things specifically so I know a lot about draw calls, UE shader development and mesh stuff but not much about the coding side of it but yeah ive seen games get less and less optimized over the years and its a bit of abummer

[tawdry holly]

also at the right angle the light is just a big block

[forest seal]

yeah there is also that for ue 5 games.

[tawdry holly]

here some visual evidence

[pallid compass]

lol ive never seen this before

[tawdry holly]

either of them?

[pallid compass]

honestly im not sure what im seein in the first pic

[tawdry holly]

my handsies

[forest seal]

what is the happening thing im not avare

[pallid compass]

oh haha no i havent seen those either

[tawdry holly]

the camera bugs at the top of the tower, and the camera just zooms into first person

makes landing terrible

[forest seal]

probably its near map border so it fixes your camera out of it

or its not and it just happens to be

[tawdry holly]

nah cuz I can fly above it and it's fine, just getting too close to the tippy top is weird

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

[icy lion]

#🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[tawdry holly]

yeah I find there's way too many places that one can easily get stuck in

[lethal cove]

yeah

😦

3 hrs gone

[tawdry holly]

not to mention food spawns on vertical edges

[forest seal]

i played ptera in gateway yesterday. I went to beach for food and tried to go to the lake u see in picture. It was so high up for the recent stamina changes that i literally had a break 4 times into getting near %20 health from lack of water. It was so ass that i just left my ptera near lake and logged out instantly.

[tawdry holly]

dang that's rough

I find the southwest access point has some nice islands that spawn food

[agile roost]

"game is dying like our dinosaurs" 😭

[vivid bloom]

Are the palm trees bugged? It seems like no matter how many of them I heabutt in migration zones, I never get coconuts

[tawdry holly]

there has to be the symbol on ur compass

[icy lion]

Are you hitting the coconut palms? They'll appear on the compass

[vivid bloom]

Interesting, in the migration zone at the coast with palm trees all over but none of them say hexagons

[tawdry holly]

palm trees are very specific

what we usually see are not those

but they are relatives to the palm tree

[vivid bloom]

I aint no treeologist, they all the look the same to me lol

[tawdry holly]

they all the look the same the to the me the lol

[vivid bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/krule-john-c-reilly-what-face-reaction-gif-16881707

[tawdry holly]

but fr the plants all your food come from looks very different from the rest of the enviroment

[drifting steeple]

Not for the isle imo

Works good for other games just not this one

[midnight heath]

Breaks immersion, I like that only same-species can communication.

It's really neat seeing another species chatting with one another and not knowing their intentions.

[icy shuttle]

For the pter thing (haven't been able to try it out on the new patch yet, but i will today), doesn't pter have an instant takeoff with no or very low stam cost from off cliffs? That's gonna be very useful for gateway especially
I think everyone's just used to the best way of takeoff on spiro, which would have mostly been the jump from the ground
Correct me if i'm wrong, i'll try pter today and look at it

[still bison]

i remember someone saying it was H to do that, but i can't confirm. haven't tried

[runic moat]

Ptera should def consume less stam while ascending, too many hills for ts

[ivory island]

everyone complains about the Ptera but Cera players suffer with blindness at night

[limber hull]

@tribal sparrow they've confirmed trotrate buffs

[tribal sparrow]

oh nice!

[severe pelican]

Haha it was me, pressing W is like a quick getaway so you get up faster but use stam - this is for when things are attacking etc. H is getting up from rest which takes a fraction longer but doesnt use stam

[severe pelican]

This is from rest though - The take off itself is still a stam chunker. Just dont get hit twice by getting up quick then trying to fly

[odd girder]

#general-feedback message
This is Golden @sinful creek. As of now the only purpose of migration zones is to gather all the herbivores in one area so the carnivores can have a buffet

Literally just a figthing arena

Just because players (and seemingly the devs too) favor playing carnivores this game is unstable. In reality any vertebrate predator has a hunting sucess rate of 30% OR LESS. And herbivores outnumber carnivores by the hundreds

[sinful creek]

Players favor carnivores because herbi experience is empty, one of the major attractions for herbis was nesting and its non-existant right now

[odd girder]

Yeah

But playing herbi is unattractive because the devs made it so. Its a paradox. People donn't play herbi because everyone plays carni and herbis die all the time

I think they should make playing as a carnivore much harder

Would balance the ecosystem in a way no other dino game ever has

[sinful creek]

But this just creates the problem in the opposite way

[odd girder]

Theres a sweet spot

Not too hard. But relatively harder. See when rex comes out I can promise you every second person and their dog is going to be playing rex

[urban flax]

People will never stop playing carnivores, even if they're all pathetically bad
Because people inherently prefer carnivores

And if every server was 90% herbivores and 10% carnivores... then it'd be a balanced ecosystem

[odd girder]

Exactly

The devs said they want to try and change this game from being a fight sim

[sinful creek]

Of course they will I will play too thats not the problem, the problem is that there is no incentive to play as herbis since there is currently no variety to form effective herds against carni packs

[odd girder]

100

[sinful creek]

People want action

[fast sail]

Rex isn't going to be playable on officials, as a reminder, and unofficials will probably heavily restrict the amount of rex players on a server at a given moment

[odd girder]

Thats good

[fast sail]

It is yeah

[limber hull]

i mean, its no mystery that herbivores are just... worse than carnivore counterparts

[odd girder]

They shouldn't be

They really really shouldn't be

Herbivores aren't some dumb stupid useless animals that just sit and wait for carnivores to kill them

They have defences

[fast sail]

Yeah, they should give a balanced fight to predators in their weight class, or else require a creative or sneaky approach from larger or stronger predators to get to them

[odd girder]

precisely

Now another thing

[sinful creek]

Current dinos dont have a counterpart in similar weights tho

[odd girder]

Teno is the only mid tier herbivore. And they decided to nerf it so badly and now its literally on every carnivores diet. They turned it into the staple food for every carni. Its the only mid tier herbivore. The only other herbivore that was able to stand a chance against carnis are stegos. And stegos kill eachother more than carnis do. Theres no reason to play herbi anymore

Its either Teno and be a juicy snack

Or Galli and pachy but they can't do jackshit against carnis

Another point tho is that herbivores IRl don't usually fight back. They rather run. Now for some reason teno is slower than every other carnivore

Its dead weight

And can't hold its own against a pack of ceras

[limber hull]

stegos are also just objectively worse than deino too

[odd girder]

correct

[limber hull]

and they get shadow nerfed every update lol

[odd girder]

But they shouldn't

[limber hull]

this update they can't even swing their tail with a raptor on them

[odd girder]

Stegos are realistically OP

[odd girder]

Its pathetic honestly

[limber hull]

legit, im so happy they're getting buffed for rex

[odd girder]

LOL they're literally turning the entire playerbase into carnivores

[urban flax]

Until you learn the buff is just making them faster so they can run away

[limber hull]

uppercut swing looks good

[fast sail]

That's true, but I think herbis are easier to maintain a herd of than carnivores at similar weights. Or at least it should be. Herbivore herds can go to migration zones and fill up on as much food as they want, whereas larger carnivores should require a lot of food to keep functioning as a group. Now the smaller the carnivore, the less food they need, hence why trood and omni are a lot more functional as a pack, as they should be

So yeah, a 1v1 of a cera and teno or carno and teno puts the teno at a severe disadvantage but imo, in the future, it should be easier to have a roaming herd of herbivores than a large pack of predators over 1 ton... But right now some spots like highlands still being hotspots allow large carnivores to form dangerous packs

[sinful creek]

İf we are talking about realism its only natural for teno and small tiers to be easy prey tho

[odd girder]

Rex is about as fast as carno tho

[urban flax]

Or reducing their growth time so they can form herds better

[urban flax]

Shouldn't be

[odd girder]

It is

[urban flax]

If we're talking about realism carnivores shouldn't even look at an adult, healthy herbivore of similar size

[odd girder]

Correct

[urban flax]

Are you sure it's not just testing speeds like they often use during streams instead of final balance ?

[odd girder]

Carnivores always hunt herbivores smaller than them. Excpet when they're in a big pack

[sinful creek]

Of similar size yea but every carni in game is larger than teno except omni and troodon

[odd girder]

I hope so

[urban flax]

And cera
And carno is only a small bit larger

[odd girder]

And omni and troodon also have teno on their diet lol

[urban flax]

But carno is also designed to hunt small prey, not similar-sized prey

[fast sail]

Rex is supposed to be really fast if it gets close to you but with fairly low sprint stamina iirc. Which makes sense, big = slow isn't really true, just one stride from T-rex covers a massive distance already

[sinful creek]

They have to have it in their diet

What else are they gonna eat

[odd girder]

You're one of the first people I've met that noticed this

[urban flax]

Carnivore diets are stupid
They're even more stupid than herbivore diets with only 3 preferred foods

[odd girder]

Big animals have larger strides

[odd girder]

And now all the herbivore food spawns in a 500m x 500m bubble

Buffet for the carnivores

Honestly I have no idea what possessed the devs to make migration zones the way they are

[limber hull]

herbi diets actually are better now

[urban flax]

They're only better because the food spawns don't matter anymore
It's just migration zones and different skins for different foods

[fast sail]

Iirc it's because eventually the roster is going to be larger, and playables will be a lot more spread out with each herbi having migration zones all over the island. But for now, there are few herbivore species and a lot of their migration spots join up, so yeah, it does create hot spots for carnis to enjoy (though teno is said to not have migration zones in the highlands anymore at some point)

[sinful creek]

Each dino should have atleast 5 ways to get 1 nutrient variety 3 player dinos and 2 ai

[limber hull]

i disagree

AI should be basically absent for apex creatures like rex

[odd girder]

Thats good news

[urban flax]

Imagine having only 9 dino species in your diet when there's 57 playables

[fast sail]

Rex will specifically be only AI on officials, since everyone would indeed be playing it otherwise

[sinful creek]

For adults maybe, for juvis they should have ai diets

[urban flax]

Ah sure, it would be a shame if the powerful apex was hard to grow

[sinful creek]

Why not if its counterpart will be have similar growth

[urban flax]

Because apexes shouldn't be a free ride to adulthood

[sinful creek]

With official rules herds outnumber apexes in legacy most like will be the same in evrima aswell

[urban flax]

rules bad

Also legacy bad

[sinful creek]

On a 1v1 its natural for a rex to humble apex herbis

[urban flax]

no

[sinful creek]

Idk what you want

[limber hull]

yea but like, it'll still be playable

[limber hull]

disagree, juvis should live a painful scavenger life

[urban flax]

I want trike to gore rex in a 1v1 every time unless rex uses its brain

[limber hull]

trike should obliterate a rex in an equally skilled 1v1

[sinful creek]

Strong herds against small pack of apexes vs 1v1 similator

[urban flax]

By ambushing it for example

[limber hull]

the "herd up" argument is why herbis are so bad in the first place

[sinful creek]

Its literally the only way you defens medium herbis from large carnis

[urban flax]

Which is wrong
Everything should have a way to survive alone

[sinful creek]

Yes a med herbi can survive by running away

Which is what they do irl

[limber hull]

trike isn't a mid herbi. it should demolish rex

[sinful creek]

1v1 maybe

[limber hull]

yes

[sinful creek]

But what about mid herbis against apexes

[limber hull]

2v1 it should also not be a pushover

[sinful creek]

2v1 trike should be erased

[limber hull]

nope

[urban flax]

nah

[limber hull]

thats lame

[sinful creek]

Yes

Its what should happen

[urban flax]

2v1 rexes should still risk one of them dying, maybe both if they're bad enough

[sinful creek]

Nah impossible

[urban flax]

Eat grass and Die

[midnight heath]

I feel like this guy's just trying to get a rise

[sinful creek]

Thats like lets gut one of the strongest carnivores

[limber hull]

if a trike dies in a 2v1 against rex, don't play it

lets gut one of the strongest herbivores

same idea

[sinful creek]

2 rexes vs 1 trike

[midnight heath]

An actual "nuh uh" argument with zero reason

[limber hull]

trike should stand a chance

[sinful creek]

Trike is a herd animal

[urban flax]

Can't run away ?
Must be able to defend itself

[limber hull]

@cunning knot they already have a seperate channel for feedback

[urban flax]

nah

[limber hull]

no it isnt lol

[sinful creek]

Its his fault for going solo

[urban flax]

No animal should be a "herd animal"
Especially not apexes

[urban flax]

[limber hull]

rex should die in a 1v1 without contest against a trike

his fault for going solo

[midnight heath]

I won't lie the "the grass smells bad here - dies" got me the other day

[cunning knot]

Gallis most certainly should be a herd animal

In fact they get buffed for it

[urban flax]

Still should be viable solo

[sinful creek]

Rex doesnt have to engage in a 1v1 tho

[cunning knot]

The dino with the most snap-able neck in existence should be a viable solo against all the other dinos in the roster?

[limber hull]

trike does, therefor it should be stronger

[urban flax]

So you agree rex, who has the choice of fighting or not, should have the advantage when it chooses the fight, meanwhile trike who DOESN'T have a choice dies ?

[urban flax]

Of course yes

[midnight heath]

Guys trikes horns were only a meter long, surely it stands no chance.

[sinful creek]

No I am saying 2 rexes against a solo trike is death for trike if all players are good

[urban flax]

Scientific research proved a trike would break its horns if it charged a rex

[limber hull]

that's just more insentive to not play trike lol

[midnight heath]

It just makes sense really

[limber hull]

i'll just play rex

[sinful creek]

Why

[midnight heath]

Absolutely shattered upon impact

[cunning knot]

@coral shuttle I agree with everything you said except for number 4

[fast sail]

Maybe but with the way evrima seems to be headed, you'll probably never see 2 rexes on an official since they're AI, and it'll probably be very rare even on unofficials, which makes sense imo

[limber hull]

because it's faster and can easily kill a trike if i have a friend lol

[urban flax]

(I watched the video of that "scientific" research, in which they reconstructed a trike skull wrong, with horns pointing outward, without any simulacrum of any flesh, muscle or even keratin, and slammed it into a wall.
Into a goddamn wall. And they deduced trike would break its horns when charging a rex.)

[limber hull]

why would i play the worse trike

[sinful creek]

İts not worse

[cunning knot]

Hmm yes this concrete wall should simulate the flesh and bones of a T-rex perfectly!

[sinful creek]

1v1 trike wins

[urban flax]

It's worse if it can't fight nor run away

[sinful creek]

2v1 loses

[coral shuttle]

If you had a map guide you would know where you are and it would be much easier to explore right now I'm a dino and I don't even remotely know where I am.

[urban flax]

2v1 stands a chance

[sinful creek]

Ye you kinda cant make a massive animal with short legs run fast

[limber hull]

then make it fight good

[sinful creek]

And cant expect a 8 ton herbi to come on top against 2 8-9 ton carnis

[urban flax]

Why not ?

[limber hull]

trike is speculated to be heavier than rex so

[urban flax]

it's literally evolved to be able to do so

[limber hull]

like, ingame

pretty sure trike is like, 10t in game

[sinful creek]

Speculated but never confirmed

[limber hull]

it should be

[midnight heath]

Aren't Ceratopsians planned to take less DMG to the head? I know that's rumored for Dibble

[limber hull]

basically confirmed yea

[sinful creek]

That would be good

Makes sense literal armor plate head

Welp hopefully they release both rex and trike within a year

[midnight heath]

I just can't wait for Dibble to be really good

and then get really nerfed

[limber hull]

i cant wait for dibble to be really bad

and still get nerfed

[midnight heath]

They have stripped us of all herbivores worth playing

I'm sticking with trood at this point, PT and beipi stam is rough, deino is long and everything else will encounter omni or carnos.

I got pounced by an invisable omni and I have never regened from a 0 blood pool

I am actually flabbergasted

[urban flax]

Eeeeeeeeeh I disagree with Beipi (the only thing I've played on Gateway so far)
It's got a good trot for its size and can regen stam quite fast when swimming on the water's surface
And with deino being much rarer now, water is very safe

[midnight heath]

I just didn't expect to spend stamina just swimming

Sprinting while swimming sure but normal underwater swimming?

[limber hull]

underwater swimming is you fighting against bouyancy

[low canopy]

IMO you should not lose any stamina as beipi when doing the dolphin jumps correctly

[barren zephyr]

Can be added to the game
-triceratops
-brachiosaurus
-ankylosaurus
-Gigantosaurus
-spinosaurus

[limber hull]

what

@next swan what?

what do gateway and legacy have to do with each other lol

[severe pelican]

Do people like the sanctuary idea?

[swift atlas]

really good, but due to growth times a few species don't make much use of it

first place where you can be a juv and you are not forced to survive against an adult carno running on the plains

[hidden mist]

I like the idea if it’s optional tbh

[prime linden]

pls fix the pounce where you cant leg go

[swift atlas]

@crisp topaz I believe the long travel to reach sanctuaries will change when we get more sancts and they work more on respawns options. But i believe by simply having more sancts, at least close to each reagion, it will be a lot better

[prime linden]

little teras need to begone. Annoying as hell getting pecked mid combat xD

[flat ruin]

They funny tho ngl

Only they 1 shot any nested animal so nesting is even worse than before now

Bc the birds always show up when any microgram of food is nearbye

[cunning knot]

From a spectating standpoint it's hilarious watching a bunch of pigeon sized pteris rip everything apart, from a gameplay standpoint I don't even feel like playing the game anymore

I miss Spiro

[limber hull]

stockholm syndrome

the mind longs for the familiar, even if it knows that its worse

@river smelt no prehistoric mammals are planned, the closest we're getting to playable mammals are humans

[river smelt]

That’s very unfortunate

[runic moat]

Stam alone can make gateway worse than spiro imo

[river smelt]

I just feel Having a wider range of creatures would extend the realism of the game. It’s not very realistic to only have lizards. Yk? And plus humans ain’t even that interesting. Why would anyone wanna play human on a dinosaur simulation game lol. When there are so many more, interesting, and potentially fun creatures that could be implemented. Because sooner or later, you’re going to run out of herbivores that lay eggs. And then the servers will just be overrun with more carnivores then you can count. But I guess that’s just why it’s a suggestion. Just to suggest. Something that could make the play more interesting and diverse

[limber hull]

Still haven't had a problem with it

[limber hull]

When there's two versions of humans, one with guns/technology/vehicles, and another which is a 8 foot tall demon with insane climbing potential, intense savagery/cannibalism, and a cultlike devotion to a machine God, they're pretty interesting

[runic moat]

Just more Tedious than fun for me

[limber hull]

this is real btw and it rules

[runic moat]

That’s wild lol

May be fun when they get added but idk

[limber hull]

they are literally adding an 8 foot tall cannibalistic "human" that is an extremely good climber and worships a machine God by granting it flesh as sacrifice

metal as hell

[runic moat]

Are they coming in a few years?

[river smelt]

Oh dam wow I didn’t know about that,

[river smelt]

Yeah, but can they have kids? Can the male and female humans pair like the dinosaurs?? Can they have little baby humans?? No? OK then I don’t want them.

I will admit, that is pretty cool though, and I have a few friends that I like attack on Titan that would probably love the humans

[urban flax]

Why would you want to play a horse in a dinosaur simulation game

[urban flax]

The Isle isn't that kind of game
But these exist

[river smelt]

Because it’s a prehistoric animal and dinosaur games are for prehistoric animals, and horses are my favorite animals besides dragons. But I know dragons aint gonna be added because that’s not realistic. So at least I asked for a realistic prehistoric animal. ?

[urban flax]

Dinosaur games are for dinosaurs
Don't put all prehistoric animals in the same bucket
All I say is it's weird to say humans don't fit in a dinosaur game when you're literally asking for playable horses

[river smelt]

Reread your own message you just sent. If dinosaur games or just for dinosaurs, then why humans? I think horses are more realistic than humans in a dinosaur game.

[sweet bramble]

Tbf, Deinosuchus and Pteranodon aren't dinosaurs either. But I agree that we should probably stick to Cretaceous animals.

[urban flax]

Because The Isle isn't just a dinosaur game
It's a sci-fi game

[urban flax]

Bad news, we're getting jurassic and triassic animals too

[river smelt]

OK, so what’s wrong with having horses?? Especially horses from the prehistoric era?

[urban flax]

And megalania is not from the mesozoic

[sweet bramble]

Misspoke, I meant Mesozoic

[river smelt]

If it’s a sci-fi dinosaur game. Then any creature should be allowed it

[urban flax]

Well I think that's boring

[river smelt]

If they allow humans, then why not an actual prehistoric horse? Something realistic since they’re wanting realism

OK you wouldn’t have to play them just like you don’t have to play any of the other dinosaurs

[urban flax]

What's realistic about it ?

[barren zephyr]

when are humans getting added?

[urban flax]

When they're ready

[river smelt]

Again, if you didn’t want to play as a horse, you wouldn’t have to play as a horse, but why stop somebody else that wants to play as a horse??

[barren zephyr]

ok

[urban flax]

Because that's development time I'd prefer seeing invested in something else

[river smelt]

Adding a prehistoric horse would take nothing from you

[urban flax]

Not to mention this conversation is kinda moot since the roster is already completed and locked, devs said they aren't adding more creatures
(Which honestly is kind of a shame because we're still stuck with only 2 fliers)

[sweet bramble]

Tbh if I were to request any non-Mesozoic animals, Permian period would be cool af

[river smelt]

That’s why it’s called a suggestion. Just to suggest. It’s not a demand. And somebody already said that they’re not planning on adding any other mammals, but humans, so that’s really a pointless line of conversation.

[cosmic thorn]

Honestly, I think adding a dragon playable as an April fools joke would be funny

[vivid bloom]

Honestly I don’t care what they add it’s just more food for my cera lol

[crisp topaz]

Virtually none of the dinosaurs present in the game existed together so its a moot point regarding humans tbh.

[river smelt]

Lmao right, and, like I said before, if you didn’t want to play as one you didn’t have to. Just like any of the other creatures in the game you don’t have to play as any of them that you don’t want to play as. I just figured since it’s a prehistoric game based off of prehistoric animals whether it’s a horror game or not., that suggesting a prehistoric horse, like creature would not have been such a big deal lol

[runic moat]

Man I think food should drain slower and you should be able to get your diet outside the migration zone but it won’t give any buffs But if you do follow the migration zone it will give you the buffs. I just think this will let players be more free but also have people going to the migration for the buffs.

[low vapor]

I'm just annoyed at stam. The rate at which we gain stam is so incredibly slow for the speed we're going at. If you don't want people to sprint constantly around the map, provide an alternative. This could be something like a jog. This so-called jog would be an appropiate speed which is in-between trot and sprint. It shouldn't drain nor allow stam regen OR it could rain stam very slowly. I wouldn't think it would be hard to implement either since you could make it as simple at tapping the sprint button (not holding). Right now, tapping the sprint button makes you auto-sprint. You could change this to making your character jog instead since the devs don't want us sprinting around the map anyway to begin with.

[runic moat]

Yeah me and 90% of the community don’t like stam changes too

[low vapor]

Yes but a lot of them are being a bit too whiny about it to the point where they want it back the way it was in spiro. I only agree with this PARTIALLY.

[runic moat]

I don’t want the old stam, just a better version of the one they are trying to do.

[low vapor]

I do want people to use their stam more wisley and not go running around and being able to regain it back with as much ease as in spiro. But gateway is WAY too harsh. Something like in-between

[low vapor]

Yes, a much better version at that. One that works. A jog system would be great honesty. People would rather use that since it wouldnt drain nor let them regain stam or at least drain stam really slowly while also being a fairly good method of travel

Most people would likely prefer something like that over anything. Even sprint

[runic moat]

Yeah hopefully they do something soon

[low vapor]

Yep. I would really like a jog system that works the way I described it. I honestly think the idea has potential.

[runic moat]

It should be the the main thing to be worked on rn

[low vapor]

z walk, z trot, jog, then sprint

[low vapor]

Maybe, but optimization is also a huge priority. My performance was a lot better in spiro. Garbage in gateway

luckily, gateway looks amazing

[runic moat]

It’s actually opposite for me lol I get no frame drops around people on gateway now

I also play on all low settings

[low vapor]

Also

When it comes to preventing people from sprinting everywhere, you could make stamina regen take longer the lower stam you have. As it goes up, the regen speed goes faster and faster. This should be done at an appropiate level of course and could probably vary for different species

[urban flax]

@low tendon Already how it works

[low vapor]

I have the majority of my settings on medium, but some on epic (mostly high priority things such as view distance since i want to be able to spot objects and such at a distance)

[runic moat]

Oh yeah I got the view distance on far tho, is epic better?

[low vapor]

no idea. i just assume its the best one so i pick that. maybe not even much of a difference though

[night blade]

gateway looks super cool but anytime i face the direction of sanc i drop to like 20fps

[urban flax]

@real mural Maybe because that's because they have twice as much run time as the second best animal in terms of endurance
If you compare the run duration with the stamina regen time, Galli actually has one of the best ratios among all playables

Oh wait there's also hypsi with an ungodly run time and regen rate
But galli is still way above it

[real mural]

Point stands - dinosaurs needing 3 to 4 mins of 0 game play to get stamina back is boring.

Tha applies to any dinosaur.

[cyan flame]

Run less, less need to regain stam

[urban flax]

Hmmm
If you're at zero stam it probably means you're out from a near-death experience, so it makes sense even if it's not very fun indeed
But you can also do other things instead of resting the entire time

[real mural]

Presently I have had no deaths on Gateway to players. The only deaths I have had: fall damage from sliding down hills at night while trying to get to food or water, and dehydration or starvation deaths.

The map is so big, encountering other players is an oddity.

[swift atlas]

survival thing, starvation is something you need to worry about

but, they should increase food times, i believe rn it is too short

[analog wyvern]

food drain definitely needs tweaked, and i believe they should make juvies spawn with half hunger so your not immediately starving?

[real mural]

Typically the starvation dehydration deaths are because when I go to get water, its too far from food and visa versa. I focus on just eating and drinking at this point in game play due to travel distance. I dont mind migration. But the decay on the food and water bars is rough with how large the map is.

[swift atlas]

actually sanctuaries will hlep a lot on that, only thing is that there is no sanct in every region, but they will do that. Punch already said they plan 10-15 sancts

[real mural]

More sacts will be really good. As a concept they are great.

[swift atlas]

i see people complaining a lot about stam, but allowing fast regen will just put was back to legacy where you hunt, eat, 5min later you are running to kill the next guy.

now, if you had a bad fight but survived, you will take time to heal, time to regen stam and will be forced to rest for long time

[real mural]

This may come as a shock but.....good? I have limited hours in my day to play. I work. With what time I have to play and game I want to enjoy it, not sit afk.

[swift atlas]

BUT, we have a lot of improvement on other systems, like food, for example

[swift atlas]

this is not valid, if you don't have time to play the game, it is not the game's fault man lol

[real mural]

Not everyone wants to afk life this game.

[swift atlas]

and you don't need to afk that frequently, at least you don't need to eat and most of the time you eat bodies, not people you killed

specially herbs that you basically don't need to hunt for food.

[real mural]

I gave up on my raptors on this game.

[swift atlas]

so, explain to me, what is you rush? you need to eat every 45min. omnis now has a really good stam for pounce, what is the issue using 3-5min resting/stopped regen stam?

you just killed something, so you have food for like 10-20min if you body does not goes away. You have more than enough time to rest

[vivid bloom]

I’m a believer that people should be able to play this game to their own play style within reason: if you want to do a more realistic feel and trot everywhere do it, if you want to sprint around more you should have the option to do that as well. Obviously a middle ground balance, but screwing over one to cater to the other just limits the variety of gameplay experience imo

[untold pewter]

Lmao i didnt know this game was dcs where i have to invest lots of hours to have fun

[swift atlas]

if your fun is pvp, there is a bunch of game you can launch yourself from an airplane and shot others in 1 min. This is a survival game.

[swift atlas]

sure, but this will be community server, you can't build a game with 30th styles inside it lol

[swift atlas]

ho you will supporte all kinds of styles? you cant make a survival + battle royale + primal carnage, it is impossible

[untold pewter]

There is a big difference between battle royales and what isle is currently

[swift atlas]

yeah, because it is good XD

[untold pewter]

My point is that, if i need to wait 1 hour to walk somewhere interesting, there is a big problem, im not a kid anymore with unlimited free time

[swift atlas]

imagine when you realize what they have planned for the game, have you heard about elders?

[wraith zinc]

getting stuck in the map with no way out, no way to teleport, no way to force respawn. Would like to see a function that allows for a respawn, either instant with fresh dino or with a timer to teleport dino to your original spawn location. Timer for teleports to avoid abuse, but hopefully shorter than having to wait for starvation

[cyan flame]

Then to be fair, not all games will work for you

Izaac does have a point, if you don't have the time to invest, there will be games you won't be doing well in or have enough time for, unfortunate as that is

[untold pewter]

Ah yes plans, i doubt if these will ever come to fruition are you new to isle or something?

[swift atlas]

so, just by curiosity, what is a interesting place to you inside the isle?

[untold pewter]

One where i can have player interaction in a reasonable time frame

[swift atlas]

yeah sure, and you are still here complaining about a game you think is not thriving, i can see how well you use your short time

[wraith zinc]

so, player density is the root cause of your issue with the game then?

[untold pewter]

Hey the isle discord is a clown fiesta and its fun browsing here from time to time

[cyan flame]

Maybe this isn't the game for you then, there's some others that are more focused on action

[swift atlas]

that is basically migration, not even stego take that long to reach there, you basically always find someone in a migartion zone, besides a few species that does not share zones with much species

[untold pewter]

Both actually, the map is big yet it can only support 100 players, food drains too fast considering stamina nv is barely night vision etc etc

[swift atlas]

issue is that a few specie does not share with much other, like pachy. and some species are not famous as other, so in time more will come and you will see more people around

[untold pewter]

i like survival games, but being unable to run in a game where the map is huge and there arent alot of players around when there isnt anything else apart player interaction, well the game is missing a lot

[swift atlas]

have you tried 150 server? there is a few on community

[swift atlas]

but that was the issue since the beginning, lack of goal, we have something now but it is still not much, elder and mutations will help a lot on that

[cyan flame]

True, the game is missing a lot. But they are going to add those things. We are playing a beta, that's just how it goes.

[swift atlas]

you can't fix a issue creating another, running around will just bring the PvP focus back, and not fix the goal problem

[cyan flame]

I don't disagree that the game currently is lacking, but we'll get there

We still lack a game loop, and a proper reason to survive and stay alive

And even reverting the stam wouldn't change that

[untold pewter]

Restricting what little content the game offers isnt good either tbh

[cyan flame]

I would argue that the stam issue is just showing the bigger issue of lacking reasons and things to do in the game in general

[untold pewter]

Though i cant understand why you guys are so, optimistic

[cyan flame]

It's not, but at the same time, this game struggles with being clear in it's identity, and players overall misunderstand the game due to this

We have a decent playerbase that aren't... playing the game for the right reason as it were

[swift atlas]

simple, don't have expectations but hope for the best

[cyan flame]

Or at least not for the official game version I guess

[cyan flame]

In my case, because I do have fun enough with the game as it stands. I've been around since, well, years back, before legacy even. I'm used to "well, the game is mostly be dino, run around, die to something. Rinse and repeat". And that's good enough, even if I personally want a proper gameplay loop, and a reason to care about my survival more than "grow to adult, fight until you die" which is what most people seem to think the game is about.

I also play other games, PoT when I want to enjoy another dinosaur game, and then other games. So it's maybe more so that "we'll get there, eventually" and if the official version of the Isle doesn't appeal to me, I'll find an unofficial server with settings or mods that do

[swift atlas]

actually i'm still here because since the beginning i expect the game to be survival, and this is the first update that truly made some real changes for survival, that is why i'm confident

[cyan flame]

So I am not too concerned with the devs vision, if the official ends up being "no thank you", then unofficials will be there. I have faith that I will find at least one version of the game I will enjoy

@untold pewterI hope that explains it a bit!

[untold pewter]

Im gonna be honest with you guys, you disgust me

I cant view your perspective at all

[cyan flame]

Same, I am hopeful that the current track holds out and we get a proper survival game in the end!

[cyan flame]

Well, that's a little... rude.

[untold pewter]

Eh i hate blind optimism thats all

[swift atlas]

blind

[pulsar smelt]

not insulting people is free btw.

[swift atlas]

i like the update, i like the direction it is taking, i believe survival is the way and survival is the way they are taking

[cyan flame]

But it's not blind optimism. I literally explained why I am fine with the current state...

It's more so a hope that at some point, one version of the game will be fine. And if it doesn't end that way, there are other games. And I've had fun so far in the game, bare bones as it has been at times.

[wraith zinc]

@untold pewter im sure as the game develops and database queries become more efficient, we will have the ability to have more than 100 players. I don't know much about UE5 recently, but as of last year, 150 was the soft cap of the game engine for a single area, much more than that will wreak havoc on client side CPUs. As for server side, responsiveness is all about efficient queries to the database, with the game in early development, im sure there is plenty of room to optimize and combine queries, but with the backend in a high state of change, it's not time well spent..... with the map as big as it is and movement as slow as it is (low stam doesn't help), the servers absolutely feel low density and I feel you on that. I died twice of starvation last night as a cera on a 100/100 EU2 server, and that was going to the sanctuary to hunt for small herbies.

[vivid bloom]

Notice how I said within reason

[indigo tapir]

no servers?

[trail bronze]

no bitches?

[slate violet]

If anybody wants to discuss my ‘biting while sitting’ suggestion. Just ping me when you type out your message.

[indigo tapir]

We know that they are doing update

[pulsar smelt]

I wish they had a feature for when you are in queue waiting, you can cycle through game trail cams in the server you are waiting for, in real time.

would make waiting not as agonizing.

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message
#general-feedback message
#general-feedback message
Is that a triple account ?

[cosmic thorn]

what's with the clown patrol spamming the same message in the general feedback room

[celest surge]

Unhappy admins on community servers

[strong belfry]

Spawning inside rocks now?? Lool why did they release gateway seriously it’s so not ready

[winter void]

can we sometime discuss how stegos still hit things 1-2m infront of em with their tail ?! 😄
i hate baitin them and gettin oneshotted like a dino lengh away from its face .. arrrggghhh 😄

[low vapor]

@elfin shoal I've been expeirencing the same exact thing. Strange though because, according to what I've heard, others had better performance on Gateway than they did on Spiro

It's been the complete opposite for me though

[elfin shoal]

idk how bc on spiro i would never crash, even on the stress test id crash constantly or get that conncection error thing

[untold wharf]

I really haven’t had an opportunity to explore this map by any means secondary to sad-stamina-simulator, aka, “The Isle Gateway.” When’s the hotfix coming, fellow developers?

[night blade]

for me pretty much anytime i'm looking at sanctuary my fps tanks to unplayable numbers, rest of the map seems decent though

[elfin shoal]

well they make u go to sanctuaries which kinda blows bc it also kills my fps

[forest seal]

is it just me or officials keep disconnecting people?

[elfin shoal]

no it happens a lot

[coral shuttle]

With what key and where can I appear with this dino?

[icy lion]

That's a pachycephalosaurus, it's an herbivore

[coral shuttle]

yes

My friend and I are playing, we are both adults, we press the (N) key and nothing happens.

[icy lion]

Are you both adults? Are you opposite sex?

[limber hull]

general feedback has become essentially an echo chamber of the same feedback constantly upvoted for simply saying what the masses want to hear. If I suggest anything and add "stam bad", "add healthbar back", "NV bad", I'll probably get tons of upvotes

[summer thistle]

It’s gonna keep happening until the devs do something about it

At least for stam

And while I don’t think we’ll get a full health bar back I do hope we get something less vague than what we currently have

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Ptera can fly for 10+ minutes straight from spawn, are you holding shift and space?

[barren zephyr]

Only when I have to, which seems to be alot because I always spawn in very mountainous areas

[icy lion]

I was able to fly up to highlands lake from water access spawn using less than half of my stam

No recording of it, sorry

[sweet bramble]

I wouldn't say Ptera is completely unplayable, I have a few FG ones post-update. It's just frustrating to sit for so long.

[icy lion]

@ocean kindle Is that feedback or just a statement?

[limber hull]

@split thistle why lol

its an unofficial thing that was already in before this update

[visual lotus]

is there a reason why steam wont download the new update?

anyone?

i restarted it

[limber hull]

@queen mortar pretty based ngl

[queen mortar]

[lucid robin]

heres a ss of a convo me and some ppl on the free admin server are having about the change. nobody in that server (the main server affected by this change) and not many people in the isle community as a whole like the removal of the dino swap. it was a good feature

referring to this

#general-feedback message

[coral shuttle]

So cute my bb 🫠

[amber cosmos]

Yall think Alberto will be able to trample the tiny dinos?

[limber hull]

Dino swap consistently gets removed, because it’s a QA feature, not meant for public. Something to do with potentially granting access to creatures that should otherwise be dev-only

It’s less being removed and more being accidentally added to live builds. This isn’t the first time this has happened

They should honestly just make a public alternative rather than constantly adding and removing the dev-only version

[lucid robin]

i see

[limber hull]

So it often carries over from QA builds by accident

Admins realise it’s there, use it, devs realise they’re using it, remove it.

Making an admin version in the panel itself would be better for everyone

[kindred forge]

I hope some form of the admin panel returns. I was able to help ppl in server way more efficiently and even with the color bug I felt it was a neat unintended feature to recognize admins were helping you. I personally welcome players /unstuck to the server but now I won't be able to do that without constant slaying. I just feel it will make it more worse for the communities in unofficial tbh.

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
things like this hurt my eyes so much

[lucid robin]

the color thing isn't a bug, you're supposed to keep your skin when swapping dinos

[kindred forge]

Ahhh I thought it was a bug lol, makes sense though! I don't understand ppl who complain abt it aren't even ones who play unofficials.

[icy lion]

@narrow field Question, is it brown fog? Since that's a bug and I think it's caused by a particular graphics setting

Not sure which one, though

[narrow field]

Yeah it's brown, I'll check into the settings for it thanks! Edit* ended up having to re-log cause I crashed and it fixed the brown fog issue it seems?

[amber cosmos]

@limber hull reason why you dislike my post? Or did you do it just cause I posted it?

[limber hull]

i dont know who you are enough to purposely dislike your post

i dont think the game is ready at all for allo or alberto

they will destroy the entire ecosystem with no contest

[finite tiger]

@amber cosmos I wouldn't say we need more carnivores per say, just a wider roster altogether, that'll come with time (Also, we have very little pseudo-mid tier herbis too)

[limber hull]

we just have teno compared to cera and carno. Diablo should help with that

[amber cosmos]

So you think having Diablo and Maia in and carnivores only having dilo and carno will be fair? I personally don't see carno doing well against Diablo at all

[limber hull]

i see carno obliterating diablo, because it's bigger, and carno can knockdown anything smaller than itself

i dont like the idea of dibble getting shredded by carno, but if cera and teno are anything to go off, it's dead

[finite tiger]

Yeah, we need more options in that size range, I mean, Mega, Magy, Kentro, Bary would all be awesome

[amber cosmos]

Carno outweighs Diablo by a few hundred pounds

[limber hull]

also allo and alberto will shred carno, maia and everything else, no contest. Only thing that poses a threat to them will be deino

[finite tiger]

But it's supposed to be a small game hunter (I think? I dunno, it has an identity crisis)

[limber hull]

i would rather diablo and maia be hard to kill than have allo and alberto be gods

[amber cosmos]

You didn't read my whole post did you? I said to leave stego in as well

[limber hull]

i did read your post. i didnt include stego on purpose

its not a threat if you don't let it be

[amber cosmos]

I agree which is why I want something else when they add Maia lol

@limber hull it's not about it being a threat I want to hunt it without having to play rex

[finite tiger]

It's probably gonna be hunted by Omnis tbh

[limber hull]

maia is literally the least offensively geared midtier. It's hardly a threat worthy of adding allo over

[finite tiger]

Unlike Stego, it doesn't have a thagomizer for a tail

[amber cosmos]

I'm not too convinced it's pretty large

[limber hull]

it's also got no weapons

an allo will be entirely uncontested

it will have no existent threats besides deino, who is purely aquatic

[finite tiger]

I too was a bit skeptical at first when they revealed adding Maia so early on, depending on how strong stances turn out to be, I can see it being very dominating or just be balanced, but I doubt it'll be able to one-shot an Omni for example, which most likely will make it easier to overwhelm

[amber cosmos]

The cure to this is only put stego and other dinos around its size on its diet

[limber hull]

but it's literally known to hunt galli

[amber cosmos]

Its in the same weight class as current stego I really don't see it being weak

[limber hull]

its supposed to be a small game predator, alongside a large game one

its like a bigger omni

[amber cosmos]

What allo?

[limber hull]

small game solo, large game with packs

[finite tiger]

It's like, half the size of Stego

[limber hull]

yea, allo

[limber hull]

also not at all?

[amber cosmos]

In rl yes current stego is half its rl size

[limber hull]

maia is mid, stego is large-apex

[finite tiger]

I mean Maia

[amber cosmos]

Maia is 4.4 tons current stego is 4 tons in game

[limber hull]

both are not true

[finite tiger]

Maia is around 3 tons, Stego is 6 tons

[limber hull]

stego is 6 tons, maia is around 2-3 tons ingame

[limber hull]

okay but ingame

maia is around 2-3 tons

[finite tiger]

Nova's charts get pretty close to the end weights

[amber cosmos]

It's not in game how you know

Also Allo is not a small game hunter at all

It literally hunted sauropods

And stego

[limber hull]

hence why it will hunt small game solo, and large game in packs

[amber cosmos]

Not only that nowhere in the devblog or concept art does it say small game

[amber cosmos]

Concept has it tackling a parasaur by itself

[limber hull]

that's dumb and we all know it

[finite tiger]

It's just shown hunting a Galli

[limber hull]

if allo can tackle a parasaur all by itself, that's even more reason not to add it this early on

[finite tiger]

Also, the Para concept showed that it was just a close up and there were other Allos hunting it also

[limber hull]

thats not a tackle

[finite tiger]

I meant for the small game hunter part

[amber cosmos]

Tackle as in taking it on

[limber hull]

if it can solo handle a para, def don't add it

nothing will stand a chance

[finite tiger]

Where the hell is the Para concept?

[amber cosmos]

Maia is still bigger then it, also yall forget herbivores have numbers

[finite tiger]

Than Allo? They're the same size

[limber hull]

"herd up" argument detected

also allo is a pack predator. It also has numbers

It's also stronger than maia, so more people will play it, and less people will play maia

so now herbivores do not have numbers

and allo does have numbers

[amber cosmos]

Yes believe it or not herd animals should herd up, it's not like migrations incentiveses the idea lol

[limber hull]

eat grass and die

finally

[amber cosmos]

Um no

[limber hull]

yes

[amber cosmos]

Herbies if played correctly whoop carnivores to death

[limber hull]

carnivores if played at the same skill level easily destroy those herbis

and there's no chance maia is whooping an allo

no herbivore in the game planned on the roadmap stands a chance against allo

except stego, who allo can ignore

[amber cosmos]

Also we have seen two allos together I don't really think that's a number advantage over a herd of probably 6 Maia lol

[limber hull]

6 maia is generous considering allo is the better choice

less predators, less risks, less threats, more power

[amber cosmos]

You get that off a TV commercial 🤣

[limber hull]

what?

[amber cosmos]

How many stegos can be in a group currently?

3?

[finite tiger]

I think so? Not sure though

[amber cosmos]

It's been a min

[limber hull]

5 stegos

[amber cosmos]

Ah

[limber hull]

too many for such a terrible herd animal imho

[amber cosmos]

Then 6 Maia makes perfect sense

[finite tiger]

Should be less tbh

[limber hull]

and 0 allo makes perfect sense for the roster

until we see things like rex officially, i dont think allo belongs

[amber cosmos]

Having carno as our largest predator with Diablo and Maia being added especially if Maia is fast is not balanced at all

[finite tiger]

Carno will probably be able to hunt Dibble in packs, I can see two taking a Dibble down tbh

Not to mention Omnis which are hell for Ceratopsians (Remains to be seen, but we theorize that'll be the case)

[limber hull]

dibble is smaller than carno, maia is a runner animal, not a fighter

[amber cosmos]

Dumb take 😒 shouldn't take trike and the like for a mid teir carnivore to come to the game, your just biased for eating grass

[limber hull]

i literally play carnivores 75% of the time

[finite tiger]

Ewie ew

[limber hull]

i like troodon leave me alone

[finite tiger]

Fair

[amber cosmos]

Groups of Diablo will wreck groups of carnos specially with the sparring stance

[limber hull]

good, about time something actually threatens it

although i still think a single charge just wins for carno

[amber cosmos]

I mostly play teno cause I hate the current carnivore roster

[limber hull]

i mostly play troodon because i hate the current herbivore roster and how pathetic they are

carno shreds every herbivore with ease, besides stego

[amber cosmos]

Bro I can solo 4 ceratos as a teno what are you on about

[limber hull]

holy crap ceras are getting worse at the game

thats scary

[finite tiger]

Depends on skill, if Carno can take Dibble down with charge when it hits outside of the head hitbox, a group of Carnos can probably do it, but obviously we're just theorizing here, so... Eh

[amber cosmos]

It's almost like without their stunlock they were garbo

Hell pachy gangs are super fun atm just going around smacking ceratos

[limber hull]

their new vomitlock makes them better if you can use it

pachy is fun, it just needs to be better

[finite tiger]

Pachy trot buff pls

[amber cosmos]

I think it needs to be a little faster

[limber hull]

trot's too slow, damage is pathetic for its size, it gets soloed by a single omni easily

it takes WAY too much rams to kill anything, it's good for fracturing, but does such little damage

[amber cosmos]

Takes 3 rams to kill an omni

[limber hull]

to the head?

because it does like, 100 damage or something

[amber cosmos]

No body

[lost trench]

Regarding stamina.

• Increase the stamina regen in walking/sitting. For trotting wouldnt be too bad if its regen for stamina is the current walking regen. Would be more inclined to use the walking for the regen instead of trotting.

• Ptera need something fixed with the stamina. Latching on a wall could provide stamina regen as its a mechanic that is barely used but could give it a good tool for ptera to use to stay safe [untill herra comes around to ambush them from the tree] and regen stamina. Perhaps even reduce the amount of stamina is consumed for take-off so you can use it to keep flight and ascend up and descend.

These are the only main points that I think everyone to a degree can agree on regarding stamina

For my personal icks [Or Im just bad at the game lol I should get gud]

• Diet runs out way too soon compared to hunger. As a herbivore Im in the migration zone would think Ill be able to keep my hunger and diet but Im often losing more diet than hunger.

• Would be nice for less drain on water atleast as some migration zones dont have a good water supply in the area that can be easily accessed. But its not much of a issue if the stamina regen is edited.

• Nesting grounds in migrations. Not all of them but some decent migration zones are ideal for nesting [Northeast plains, the mountain lake, the marsh lands etc]. Water + food untill they are big enough/time to move to the new zone.

• Juvi carnivores should have a resource to consume in sanctuaries, limited but still a resource to eat besides juvi herbivores. Majority of the sanc unless its near Northeast plains are often empty or full of 40%+ pachies being menaces.

[summer thistle]

why

I was just saying that I don't want to come back to my dino and realize I have no stam and spend the first ten minutes of that session afking

[robust ferry]

Who put this terrible stamina system in

[strange mauve]

yoi how do you report a hacker?

[icy lion]

What server?

[strange mauve]

Ohhh no not right now

Just been running into a lot recently

🫠

[icy lion]

Ah, in that case, check the pinned messages in the official server channels near the bottom of the discord

[amber cosmos]

@limber hull @finite tiger reasons why I don't think adding Alberto will be that big a deal with these dinos in the game

[strange mauve]

Thanks man

[limber hull]

we have a single image of like, 8 diablos attempting to hold off just 2 albertos

and that's okay to you?

[finite tiger]

I don't think Dibble will be able to hold its own very well against Alberto, sadly

[amber cosmos]

@limber hull you also have an image of a carno bouncing off Maia and a diablo soloing a carno

[limber hull]

yea, good

omnis won't have the same problem

[amber cosmos]

Yeah so if stego stays in add Alberto

[limber hull]

no

[amber cosmos]

Yes

[finite tiger]

Carno really isn't supposed to hunt Maias anyways

[limber hull]

alberto is worse for the game and will dominate everything

what kills alberto?

[amber cosmos]

No herbivore should be untouchable

[finite tiger]

Me (I'm built different)

[amber cosmos]

Stego, diablo kill Alberto

[limber hull]

no herbivore is

diablo does not kill alberto lol

unless it's a very small and weak alberto

[amber cosmos]

It will deal alot of bleed I bet it most definitely could kill Alberto

[lyric spoke]

I don't understand the assumption that alberto will have no counter. clearly some creative liberties are taken with the current roster balance already

[finite tiger]

In theory you can kill Stegos with Omnis, some Deinos, even Ceratos

[limber hull]

if it can kill an alberto, either alberto is too weak or diablo is too strong

because alberto is like 2x the size of a dibble

[finite tiger]

It will, just not with the roster we have planned in the close future

[amber cosmos]

In theory you can kill anything with pretty much anything

[finite tiger]

Indeed

[limber hull]

i just dont personally see a universe where alberto makes sense from a balance perspective at this current time

again, nothing predates it

it's the deino situation, but it's on land

[amber cosmos]

But you think waiting for apexs to be in to add allo or Alberto makes sense

[limber hull]

rex will be on unofficial, and ideally will stay there until animals of a larger size enter the game and flesh out the ecosystem

so we don't have allo or alberto dropped in without a predator

[amber cosmos]

I disagree it's post to have poo stamina meaning anything can out run it

[limber hull]

like deino

and unless you suggest it moves at such a speed that stego can catch up to it, it still doesn't have a viable threat

[amber cosmos]

Comparing deino at 8 tons to Alberto is dumb

[limber hull]

both won't have a viable counter so not really

[amber cosmos]

Nah see you make it so it has to hunt stego for diet

[limber hull]

and then it eats organs

and doesn't care because organs are a mechanic, and species diets are irrelevant

i will eat a tenonto and its organs and be fine

[amber cosmos]

That won't last long it's hunger drain is also post to be insane

Also a good fix for that is making it so non diet organs make you sick but people would probably complain

[limber hull]

that would be a horrible change

so yes, people would

[amber cosmos]

It would be a change that makes sense

[limber hull]

organs are great because they remove the dumb species exclusive diets

no, it'd be a change to railroad you into not being an opportunisitc hunter

[amber cosmos]

Species exclusive diets if done properly would eliminate your issue of people dominating everything for no reason

Other then the kos players of course

[limber hull]

they'd just make it harder to play

they're a terrible system, and organs are just better

[amber cosmos]

Not really, you see where your diets migration zone is so you know where to go for food

[limber hull]

i honestly think that shouldnt be a thing

but i also think that species diets should go too

[amber cosmos]

Without it the game is just battle arena at center 2.0

[limber hull]

not really, no

[amber cosmos]

Absolutely

[limber hull]

organs are just done better, and people will just eat those

even now, people tend to ignore the nutrients the body gives and dig straight to organs

because they are a better system

[amber cosmos]

Everyone would just chill at highlands lake

[limber hull]

no they wouldn't

[amber cosmos]

Yes they would

[limber hull]

why? organs come from all creatures in all places

no one cares about diets atm

besides what AI gives what

[amber cosmos]

Without migration Everyone would go to center 2.0 then it becomes a kos game

[hidden mist]

but what if there’s no organs in the body you’ve found

[limber hull]

you were too late

[hidden mist]

why not have a second chance replenishing diets but with smaller amount of nutrients?

organs anyway give pretty much now, about 30% in a bite depending on the size

@steel moon small tiers just really need their individual mechanics, like burrowing for dryo and climbing trees for hypsi, but devs aren’t gonna put them in soon, cause i suppose welp, they don’t really expect that these creatures will be loved anyway

[amber cosmos]

Not going to lie I know they have their cult followers but I think hypsie should be AI lol

[hidden mist]

i would love to play dryo, but only if it was actually fun for me to run away from predators to my tunnels, because rn this thing cant even outrun omni and there’s no feeling of race
but probs other 80% of playerbase wouldn’t play it even if it had burrowing, so that’s the point, sadly

[limber hull]

i still dont think any dino should be AI, besides ptero and compy

[amber cosmos]

Until they increase the player cap I disagree

[limber hull]

tenonto AI remains my most hated part of this update

[hidden mist]

hypsi is useful in herds cause of the blinding spit and funny to play when you dont want to experience stress while playing

[barren zephyr]

Teno AI is genuinely garbage

Runs from lone troodons

[hidden mist]

lol why did they even release that? they promised it wont make to live

[barren zephyr]

But spam slams a carno

Has no stam so it just does it infinitely

[amber cosmos]

I mean that can be changed they just need to work on the AI

[limber hull]

then they'll be worse for performance than more server slots lol

meaning that there's still no point adding them

[barren zephyr]

I feel like the only AI we should have, is AI for juvies and mid tiers. Like the deer, goats, boar, frogs, pteros, etc. It's fine without the tenos

[limber hull]

exactly, i love those AI

[barren zephyr]

Adult carnivores shouldn't be getting free handouts

[steel moon]

i agree. i should've specified that giving them fun and useful mechanics would be the main incentive to get people to play them, but seeing as how dryo still can't burrow i doubt they'll get any love

^and herrera will be getting to climb trees before hypsi can

[amber cosmos]

I hate the boar AI it turns derpy lol

[limber hull]

complex, intelligent AI has to be constantly calculated and controlled by the main server controller, which actively puts strain on its performance. The more intelligent it is, the worse it is for performance, as the amount of calculations per actor increases, and as there's like planned to be AI of almost every species of dinosaur, it will literally mean that unless you're running your server on a NASA computer, it WILL crash, or it'll run like garbage

unironically, you are better off increasing server size than ever working on AI dinos

[barren zephyr]

Hypsi should get bone break immunity, and tree climbing should be faster than herra, but not as skilled. Like Herra can climb vertically, upside down, etc. Hypsi should only be able to climb vertically

[limber hull]

Hypsi should be immune to fall damage. Just make it a squirrel

Literally, let it jump off anything and everything and live

[hidden mist]

true

[barren zephyr]

Ye, it's tiny and most of it's body is feathers. It can't kill anything. It has to 2/3 shot compies

Idk about any height, but it should be able to handle ridiculous heights

[limber hull]

Hypsi should literally just be designed after the modern day squirrel. Small, quick, agile, good climber, survives basically any fall

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[amber cosmos]

I really don't see ai being that bad after being optimized. This is 2023 the effect they have now is minor

[limber hull]

If you optimise it, you dumb it down

If you want a complex AI, you need to have more complex systems

[barren zephyr]

He ain't wrong

[hidden mist]

current servers cant even handle playercount above 100 what are you talking bout xD

[barren zephyr]

Optimized AI is most often, dumber

[limber hull]

That's literally how AI works. It relies on constant intellegent calculations

It's why games with extremely smart AI often have ONE very smart AI. Alien Isolation would run like ass if there were 20 aliens rather than the one

[barren zephyr]

I've played on servers up to 150 and it hasn't been bad at all. Same amount of lag as regular 100 slot servers

[amber cosmos]

An ai that can tell the difference between a large predator and a small one isn't that complex stop capping. It's not like we're trying to get it to use cover or do complex actions

[hidden mist]

one dude which hosts a server told me that anything above 150 slots causes major problems and crashes, and 100-150 is almost the edge

[limber hull]

Trying to fill an island with AI that immersively replicates player behaviour and is an actual challenge would shred performance

[barren zephyr]

Ye I said 150, haven't tested anything over that xD

[limber hull]

Considering they've promised it to be similar to a player, this is a legitimate concern

[amber cosmos]

The servers can handle 100 people plus, the issue is the amount of people trying to join at once

[amber cosmos]

Yeah that would be dumb

[barren zephyr]

I still think we should only have AI to help juvies along. Foraging spots like insect hills, shells, etc. would be nice too, just to make things more interesting

[hidden mist]

welp anyway what would you prefer, many complex ais at that 50 slots or real players :^)

[limber hull]

100%

large apex creatures should not have AI handouts

[barren zephyr]

I'm not for AI, I was just saying the server can handle over 100 players

[hidden mist]

ah, okay x)

[barren zephyr]

100% they're huge, take a lot of energy, patience and time, they should be a real challenge to grow

[amber cosmos]

There are already unofficial servers that have 150 players and they run fine, islander is about to bump it to 175. The servers aren't the issue

[boreal nymph]

is there food inside the sactuary? nothing here. says mushrooms but cant sniff anyting out

[desert arch]

You cant sniff the mushrooms. Gotta find them on your own. They are bright red at day and white in nv.

[real mural]

Ug, yet another death to sliding down a hill resulting in a fall death.

So far 0 deaths to predators, but ample to falls or starvation / dehydration. Boo.

[lyric spoke]

@paper ice truly the most based general feedback I've ever read 👍

[limber hull]

@crisp topaz ew no

teno AI are bad enough, we dont need 6 tons of free food walking around

[crisp topaz]

What's wrong with AI teno? I thought the heat seeking missile AI carno was a bit much although I never had an issue with AI teno. Players are spread out a lot and they don't seem to be willing to increase server slots. That third diet source is a hard one to come by, has been ever since it was introduced.

[limber hull]

AI teno is free food

It's worthless free food that makes the teno experience worse

Because they will follow you around and constantly broadcast to ensure you die to carnis because they refuse to fight back

They are by far the worst part of Gateway

[crisp topaz]

All they have to do is reduce AI teno broadcast to never and that's no longer an issue

[limber hull]

They should've never gone live

[limber hull]

1.6 tons of free food is still too much

[crisp topaz]

Herbivores get free food all day long. Meanwhile carnivores suffer and die and respawn 3 times in the amount of time you've been growing tour teno

[limber hull]

I want rexes to struggle, not be given an entire meal

[limber hull]

yes, because you're a carnivore

if you want to eat vegetables, herbis exist

you should not be given the grace of herbi PvE as a carnivore

it's part of the experience to hunt and struggle

[crisp topaz]

Subjective

[limber hull]

why would i ever play a herbi if a carni is the same thing but with more options and more power

carnivores just being herbivores that can also eat other players if they're tired of eating the unresponsive AI doesn't sound super engaging

if a T-Rex can literally eat a non-responsive 6 ton stegosaurus AI and be fed as a full adult, the game has lost any sense of "hardcore survival". It is now rex-fest

[ocean kindle]

It's feedback.

[crisp topaz]

Like I said. Reduce ai broadcast to 0 and only use F calls to minimize sound range and its no longer an issue. You still have to hunt the things. Unresponsive my ... I've seen AI teno kill whole packs of Omni lol (skill issue I know) but if what you say is true, AI teno wouldn't exist in the first place. If a trex is even half as hard to grow as current carnivores, no one will ever reach adulthood and all this fear of apex's is yet again a non-issue.

[limber hull]

AI teno shouldn't exist in the first place

[crisp topaz]

Yet it does. Amd has multiple times now.

[limber hull]

Also current carnivores literally are not hard

If rex is like this, it's a joke

They promised rex to be hell on earth to grow and i hold them to that

[crisp topaz]

I still think it's subjective and there's no way to know until rex is fully in the game

So let what carnivores we do have, have stego AI

[limber hull]

i mean, there is a way to know. 8+ ton predator + 6 tons of free food on the fly = well-fed, easy to grow predator. Easy growth = more rexes. More rexes = less diversity. Less diversity = rexfest.

[limber hull]

No

I want carnivores to be hard and herbivores not to be literally seen as food

Stego and teno AI is literally just that, saying "herbivores exist to be food"

Playable food or actual fun animal, pick wisely

[crisp topaz]

Since when does an AI stego become "on the fly". Honestly you act as if they'll be around the corner

[limber hull]

They literally are for me with AI teno

[barren crater]

Up to the devs of course, but AI will always be dumb & free food

[limber hull]

Apparently that's a good thing

[crisp topaz]

That's kinda the point

[limber hull]

Yea, that

Carnivores can't be too hard

[crisp topaz]

Herbivores don't have to starve

[limber hull]

So clearly no one should

Starvation should not be a threat in our survival game

[barren crater]

I mean they don't starve but it's nothing amazing. 0 diets and cap at 20% hunger

While the carnivores would fill up and get full diets

They're not equal

[urban flax]

Herbivore diets are harder than carnivores' because they have no organs to eat

[limber hull]

^

[barren crater]

and ngl, if you're struggling to support carnivores rn, then idk what to say. Don't even need Teno AI

[urban flax]

And now with migration, they have to chase their food almost as much as carnivores do

[crisp topaz]

When a carnivore begins starving, their death is within minutes. As a fresh spawn, you aren't going around killing adult stegos. As an adult, 1 stego should not be able to hold over a rex for very long.

[barren crater]

Why would we want rexes to be supported by AI? You then have the issue of smaller creatures farming the large tier AI

[limber hull]

^

Rex should die of starvation, a lot

Rex should constantly be fighting to survive as an apex-level animal

[crisp topaz]

There will be a lot other players hunting stego AI than just the rexes. Believe that

[limber hull]

Which is part of the problem

[crisp topaz]

As I said, that third diet source is hard enough to come by. You want me to kill a deino as omni?

[limber hull]

Just eat organs

Circumvent the entire diet list

[crisp topaz]

It's not always that simple

[limber hull]

It literally is

[crisp topaz]

Right

[limber hull]

I really don't know how you're having it so hard that you need a 6 ton handicap to carnivores

The game is meant to be hard

Herbivores do not risk starvation because they often risk predation a lot more

[urban flax]

Also they will risk starvation if grazing is changed to not be infinite

[limber hull]

Which I believe was confirmed

[crisp topaz]

It's a stego. People already complain about them being hard enough to kill. With migrations, herbivore complete diets are placed within them, that's probably why grazing was changed to not be infinite. Because it's much easier to survive with a group of herbivore and become untouchable than it is with carnivores running around.

[limber hull]

People who complain about stego being hard to kill often don't know how easy it actually is

[crisp topaz]

I was just in a migration zone with a group of Omni and the only food option was the AI teno because the 9 other adult teno didn't leave any room for a fight. So

[valid moon]

no health bar (no one asked for this) - stam is terrible (no one asked for this) - admin panel is slower to use (no one asked for this) admin dino switching (no one asked for this to be removed)** migration system sucks** (no one asked for this)

[urban flax]

A stego can only be so hard to kill when it's too stupid to defend itself, like AI teno is

[limber hull]

^

the boar, deer, goat and so on are excellent versions of AI

[urban flax]

I used to support dino AI as a concept
After seeing its most recent occurences, I no longer do

[limber hull]

big enough to sustain young or small animals, but not so big that they mean adults can just cruise by on easy food

[limber hull]

it was inevitable to end up this way

hence me never supporting it

[urban flax]

Mammal AI should still be buffed

[limber hull]

that's not even a bash on the devs, it's just impossible to make AI on the scale of complexity they aim for and still keep the servers not frying

[urban flax]

I will not admit that you were right

[limber hull]

but you know I am

[urban flax]

To each their own

[limber hull]

you bastard

[crisp topaz]

So what do you propose when you're in the designated migration zone for your species, you have a group of 5+ to feed but the only food option is AI because the herbivores can easily survive in big groups? You just spawn boar deer and goat to substitute? Didn't they already try that on Spiro and nobody could find food still?

5+ is generous too

[limber hull]

yes, you spawn boar, deer and goat and get players to hunt other players for actual food

[crisp topaz]

But those food options don't exist when you actually NEED them. Only when you get lucky after wandering for 10+ minutes

[limber hull]

or, you realise that "hey, supporting large groups of animals is hard work" and have a few starve so the others can live, because this is a survival/animal simulation game, not an arcade dino fighter

[crisp topaz]

That's why I said 5+ was generous. Most of my carnivore groups aren't larger than 3 and it's still a struggle at times

[limber hull]

what animals are you running to struggle with survival at 3?

[slim osprey]

@limber hull i’m confused… you don’t want AI to be free food but you don’t want herbis seen as food either ? if you could clarify i’d appreciate it. the only reason i even fight herbs is to eat them, asides from going on a slaughter every now and then.

[safe hearth]

I'll just throw in one point:
The game must be able to ensure that everyone theoretically has a chance of surviving, even if the server is not fully occupied.

not everyone likes 100/100 no rule servers.
NOW I'm NOT SAYING that the game is broken and that it is ABSOLUTELY necessary to ensure that carnis like herbis: have easily to survive.

objectively considered:
the Carnis are even more player dependent on Gateway than on Spiro. which isn't a bad thing.
At the same time, however, it wasn't considered: what should I do if there are hardly any there?

Gateway is huge and has many problems, but:

• Ai gets stuck in places where a player cannot reach
• The Ai cannot be found everywhere: there are large Ai free areas = the entire map is not playable for Carnis: because you won't find Herbis there either, because of the migration

just a neutral point thrown in.

[urban flax]

We want herbis to be balanced

[limber hull]

the issue is AI is free food, that's inevitable. Making herbi AI makes herbis = free food. It also just makes the herbi experience worse so the carni experience can be better, encouraging more players to simply not play herbi

[crisp topaz]

On the contrary I've seen more teno than ever

[urban flax]

For me there's no middle ground
Either every herbi dino is fun and balanced, and there's no dino ai
Either all herbis are ai only

[limber hull]

the only tenos i see are AI, which I find disappointing and frustrating

[safe hearth]

AI should only be used as an emergency
and not a main source of food

[slim osprey]

but wouldn’t more AI or just having AI in general ( free food) mean that herbi players will be able to survive more since they aren’t needing to be killed for food

[crisp topaz]

^

[barren crater]

Not how it works in this game

[limber hull]

it can spawn in herds of 4, meaning that approximately 6.4 TONS of FREE FOOD can spawn in one place. That's enough to feed like, 3 rexes, which is just disgusting and will absolutely permit for carnivore megapacks to be more rampant than ever

[urban flax]

Like Isle players only kill for food

[barren crater]

If anything, it gives you a bigger window to do it

I fill up and now have time to just PvP

[crisp topaz]

Now that the pace of the game has slowed down you can't exactly run around killing for sport anymore. Which I like. Your hunts have to be decisive

[limber hull]

So what? Herbis get to never fear or risk anything and live their boring grass-grazing life, and carnivores never have to work or try for food, and live off the easiest meals they can gather

That's the endgoal? No one interacts with anyone, they just eat, fight for fun, die when they get bored?

[barren crater]

Carno groups can still run around and PvP

Omni can nuke stuff quickly rn and go on to PvP other stuff

This whole "less pvp" thing people have been saying is false

[limber hull]

What you've essentially suggested a utopia. The thing is about utopias, is while everyone is healthy, happy and taken care of, they're really boring. That's why lots of video games take place in dystopias, because they suck ass to live in, but they're engaging and interesting.

[slim osprey]

oh… so you’re all for the carni vs herbi engagements? i might have missed your point entirely

[safe hearth]

yes, and the four of them are sitting at the top of the mountain where no one can reach them.
I saw it yesterday.
or in a pit, if you fall in you are lost (4deers)

Dude, I'm not talking about the carni feeding 100% on AI. The map itself partially destroys the possibility of you even see them.
these are facts.
this is the "issue"

[crisp topaz]

Not nearly as much as they could in Spiro. Health lock, stam regen, these things slow people down. What is Omni nuking that isn't solo?

[limber hull]

I am literally the most pro-herbi v carni engagement

So much so I would remove any dino AI to increase the amount that herbi players and carni players fight

[barren crater]

You shouldn't be taking too much damage as Carno rn. Especially in groups. Carb diet lets you run for 2 minutes and a half, so don't waste it all. Fights can end quickly in groups. Blitz them and run onto the next group. Also considering the average isle player you can still hunt groups as a good pack of Omni's. We hunted teno herds the last time I played Omni and took 2 down and had food

[safe hearth]

Which just happen if you have enough players

[limber hull]

I hope every teno AI spawns on the top of a mountain so people have to actually engage with other players or scavenge

[slim osprey]

ohhhhh bet, yeah i’m all for it too. i will say that i grew a carno today and the only player kill i got was 1 raptor because that’s the only player i came across. the rest of my meals were AI tenos and a herd of deer

[limber hull]

this is why i'm on the team of player slots > dino AI