general-feedback-discussion

[acoustic yoke]

Then eyes would just be constantly glowing

[indigo gulch]

the moon at night is not enough light to reflect in the eyes unless directly looking at it

[jade brook]

if you are hiding in the forest, looking at the light

[indigo gulch]

but then you wouldnt be able to see the reflection anyway, since it is going up

[jade brook]

it's not always up, it goes around

[acoustic yoke]

I dont believe it's realistic for a game to say eyes only glow when you're facing the moon. That just sounds like extra work with very little pay off

[jade brook]

yeah that i understand

[indigo gulch]

oh wait, I'm thinking of human eyes on the front of the face

woops

[drifting mantle]

ayeeeeeeeeooooooooooooo

[stray spruce]

No one seems to suggest glow only when face to face or while looking to a artificial light source directly etc. They are just saying "Add glowing eyes."
Glowing eyes around human structures and flashlights would be cool but there are no artificial lights in the forest in a prehistoric world.

Some may say that there is no need for an artificial light for the eyes to glow and provide some examples from documentaries etc. but I wonder if whether that has something to do with how cameras work or not. 🤔

[gentle slate]

lmao

but but... sewer rat is fun

[full pewter]

@earnest pagoda I’ve found beipiaosaurus to be perfectly capable of evading Deinos, their already wayy faster and more agile. As long as you’re aware of your surroundings you’re fine

[earnest pagoda]

Personally I found myself often dying to deinos due to the fact that most of them can essentially one-shot beipis, but I’m not really sure of the current in-game speeds for the two dinos so I can’t really prove that beipi should be buffed.

Might also just be because I kind of suck at PVP anyways lol

[desert arch]

From what I know deino can only catch up to beipi if it uses the rmb boost, even then dodging it is easy

since deino cant change direction while in that boost

[earnest pagoda]

Oh yeah, beipis are wayy better at turning than deinos lol

[full pewter]

Why wouldn’t they one shot beipi? I wouldn’t think beipis should be taking them on in a fight unless their fresh spawns

[earnest pagoda]

Makes sense

[full pewter]

Beipi gameplay is all about evasion, the only Dino’s you can really fight right now are troodons, pteras, and dryos

[earnest pagoda]

Yeah, though it would be nicer if it didn’t suffer 5 broken bones from diving 5m

[full pewter]

That’s still pretty high, but sure

[earnest pagoda]

I get ur point though, when I put up the feedback I was mostly assuming that others were also struggling since I rarely ever see other beipis

[full pewter]

Sometimes it seems to depend on the server, try other servers if one doesn’t have a lot. Sometimes it’s the day too

[earnest pagoda]

I guess most people don’t really like the entirely evasive playstyle much, either

[full pewter]

Just look at dryos, you see them once in a blue moon, shame, but I think it’ll change once burrowing comes in

[earnest pagoda]

Hopefully, dryos and other low-tier herbis pretty much balance out the ecosystem as a whole

[full pewter]

Dryos aren’t meant to fight and I like them as an option for those who don’t want to, burrowing will also be a thing so those people will have that

[earnest pagoda]

Plus they’re quick to grow, nice for chilling and just enjoying the map

[woven musk]

An egg/nest discussion channel is an easy to implement idea, I approve

For whatever that's worth

@queen swift Don't give me wrong I totally get your point, as a eight pack of raptors we got bullied by two full grown Cera's after a while we managed to single out and kill one of them though lol.

That being said though I don't think the scent range is the main issue

Things are just a bit op and need to be balanced since their new

[full pewter]

People seem to see flaws in the anchoring mechanic for stegos I proposed, If someone does see flaws I’d like to to hear them

[woven musk]

I like Your idea The only thing I wouldn't like is that it makes that goes really hard to take down for anything outside of a T-Rex

Utah's already have to work their butts off to take them down

Maybe they could make it to where if you're a dinosaur of sufficient size you take damage when you come into contact physically with a stego

What kind of makes sense seeing as I would imagine to be kind of hard to avoid their spiny plates if you were the size of a T-Rex trying to chomp on them

Maybe give stegos the ability to break bones in t-rexes specifically

Would make sense getting thunked in the leg by a stego would cause some damage

So that way maybe if a stego couldn't defeat a T-Rex they could at least get a good hit on them and then run away while the T-Rex can't chase

What do you think? @full pewter

Would make things risky for the T-Rex too, if there's more then one stego they could bully up on the T-Rex and try to kill it

Which I would imagine would have taken a long time to grow which would be pretty devastating to the t Rex Player

If anything let's take I would just need to travel on Herdz more

[full pewter]

For other carnis like Omnis and allos (which I’d imagine would play like bigger Omnis with their grapple), they should be focusing on draining stam on stegos. When anchored I don’t think stegos should take any less damage than without, they could even use more stam when anchored. The main purpose of anchoring is to keep them from being stunned, like what trexes headbutt would almost certainly do. Kentro would be similar with carno, keeping it from being stunned from charges.

[full pewter]

Herds of course would be essential for stegos, a lone stego, even when anchored would be extremely vulnerable to a pair of Rexes or gigas.

[woven musk]

I see, I guess my main concern is the turning faster swinging faster thing, it makes all good and well sense versus a T-Rex but when you run Omni and you get one shot by a stego it turns it into a real dicey situation

But yeah I don't see no problem with them being braced against ramming and stuff, could even make it to where the T-Rex take some damage from it if they're braced

[full pewter]

That’s where I bring up the stam situation, Omnis should be draining stam first

[woven musk]

Like I said ring into a spike wall basically

Running*

That is true and if the state go is locked to one location it's not like you can run away

[full pewter]

Won’t be a spike wall without stam

[woven musk]

Honestly we'll be pretty cool to see one lock up and start calling for help

Race against time to see if you can take it down before it's friends arrive

Only downside is they probably just camp the body afterwards if you won

Also I'm using speech to text so I apologize for the inaccuracies

I am at work right now and can't stop to type with my hands much

[full pewter]

Stego should be like trike, you can take it down if you get the jump on it, but once its aware of you and in the position to defend itself, you should either find something else to hunt, or find a partner to help

[full pewter]

Actually though this is a very valid point, stegos do that now already but this would make the problem worse🤔

I guess my point is that if rex can face tank a stego, then we have a problem

[woven musk]

I get you, they should really add a debuff for body camping for herbivores at least. They could even add the opposite or if you're nested and your mate dies you get a buff around them cuz like you know your booboo just got eaten

Would incentivize nesting, and discourage body camping at the same time

[full pewter]

@osteng we have an Acro concept, here it is

[cyan flame]

It doesn't. Omni should not be capable of hunting a stego half as well as they are currently. If anything, any playable relying on speed/agility and so on should do bad vs a stego, one relying on attacking the flanks on top of that, even worse.

[sick crescent]

You can’t really do anything against body camping

The most you can do is make it just waste the Stegos time doing it and/or make it bored so it leaves

[cyan flame]

Not really. Trike should be really good vs other large things, stego should be the anti-small playable. Instead of them both being good vs a rex or something.

[sick crescent]

Stego is also a more defensive and slower playable than Trike, Erik

[cyan flame]

Sure, but that doesn't really change what they should be good or bad vs

Stego being more defensive is fine, it does make it struggle more vs large things I'd say, while trike can pressure them better, which doesn't help vs smaller things that are just too fast and agile to pressure effectively. Hence why stego, due to it's reach, should not need to pressure, rather just make sure nothing can get to it unless it can power through. Which is where defending while walking away comes in vs the larger things.

[sick crescent]

You make their kits have weaknesses, not weaknesses against certain dinosaurs

Trike is naturally weaker against packs of say omnis due to their agility, for example

[cyan flame]

I don't really see stego doing the "hunker down" thing like anky does, anky would be the one that just "sits there" and let's you try it until you give up or are broken. Stego should be more inclined to walk away and chip away at whatever is following.

[sick crescent]

Stego and Trike have be to at a minimum decent against Rex or else they will be unviable

[cyan flame]

I don't think it fits really well. It seems more like an anky thing, just sit there and defend. Stego should be given mobile attacks and more so retreat while keeping the rex away from it's head and stack damage/bleed on it if it tries to get past or something like that.

[cyan flame]

Yeah, sure. I'm mostly saying trike should have a good matchup vs rex, stego should have a bad one. Meanwhile, vs omni it's stego that should be untouchable, while trike should be worried.

[sick crescent]

Stego should absolutely not have a bad matchup against Rex

You have its kits confused

[lucid mauve]

Lol, yes it should run

[sick crescent]

Stego being able to play stationary or mobile is fine, but against Rex it should be fine

Especially against an apex with a trot almost as fast as its sprint

[lucid mauve]

I like stego, but as for now. Its not close to the level of an apex. Stego gonna have problem vs two allos/albertos. Its not apex level, not even close

[sick crescent]

Stego also rn isn’t complete

Stop using current Stego as a comparison

[shrewd iris]

i also really liked the water launch idea! i feel like itd have to happen in a certain time frame to when you splash, or if you accidentally skim too deeply? idk! but id love to see it explored

[cyan flame]

It should. Mind you, bad matchup doesn't mean "I die now", bad matchup means "I have to put in extra effort and be far more careful, this can go wrong pretty quickly otherwise". Same with trike vs omnis. Trike should obviously not just die, but it should have to think with a few more braincells vs a full pack of things that can attack it's vunerable flanks easily, than vs something it's own size and speed, that it can much more reliably land a hit on and skewer.

[cyan flame]

No, no it should not. It should just retreat while fighting, more or less.

[sick crescent]

You aren’t getting what I am saying

You’re thinking about it versus dinosaurs, I’m thinking about it versus skill and dinosaurs kits

There shouldn’t be this “Oh Stego should have bad matchup against Rex because”

Stego will struggle naturally against packs of mid tiers but should in theory do excellent against smalls and (solo)apexes

Trike is different

Why Stego should be able to fight Rex is a matter down to balance, of course

[lucid mauve]

You played pot? Where they balance something slighty stronger etc ? So you insta win in a 2v1, that wont happend vs apexes

[sick crescent]

PoT has a different way of balancing

[lucid mauve]

Exactly

[sick crescent]

That makes it irrelevant here

[lucid mauve]

Soo, im saying in terms of power. Stego is not close to what a trikes gonna be in power. It might have som worse matchup etc

[sick crescent]

Shouldn’t be the case but I know it will be

[cyan flame]

No, I'm looking at it skill and kit wise. Kit wise, it makes more sense that trike is good vs single targets and stego good vs multiple targets due to their attack potential?

[lucid mauve]

thats called good balance, so its not numbers that matters, like pot.

[sick crescent]

Trike and Stego should be equally dangerous to try to hunt as a Rex, especially as Stego has a more critical weakness than Trike and is also iirc slower than Trike

[cyan flame]

Maybe you're taking "bad matchup" in the wrong way. But it's not unreasonable to say a trike would struggle vs omni due to lack of good flank defenses. Any more than it's reasonble to say stego should struggle despite being one of the few that could just negate the pounce entirely if we let it.

[lucid mauve]

Numbers is good to a certain point ofcourse, beeing in a pack is good. But your not gonna go around wiping apexes with ease

[sick crescent]

The thing is, Trikes kit should be far more instantly devastating towards Rex

[cyan flame]

That's kind of what I'm trying to say, sort of

Hence the good/bad matchup, it's more of a matter of how much effort and skill you need vs this or that target

[sick crescent]

Both would in theory require the same effort

You point thing that does damage towards them

[lucid mauve]

Im almost certain that anky gonna be alot better in fights then stego is, and with much less bad matchup. But it might have harder survival aspect etc.

[sick crescent]

Anky has weaknesses, but weaknesses that probably won’t exist entirely

Anky weakness is how it would struggle immensely against Apexes, and basically play like Pachy

[lucid mauve]

Ofcourse it will, like everyone. But some will be better in fights, and worste in survival

[sick crescent]

Anky break leg, Anky books it

“Anky break leg” Anky break everything lol

[lucid mauve]

Yea, anky good be though. I think it can easy walk up to a pack of allos, and just say hello and goodbye.

[sick crescent]

If it’ll encounter a pack of Allos to begin with

Thing disappears the moment it enters foliage

Anky and Stego play so differently

[lucid mauve]

yea, but stego definetly needs something more, alot more vs apexes. If it does get it, nice. I just dont see it "trading bites" with a rex now. Cus i dont see rex ambushing a allo, and just bite the allo and then its runs away.

[sick crescent]

🤞

Was merely a test iirc, but 🙏

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but rex also have an ability. And looks like it some kind of stun or something. So it can just tank the hit, and then stun it/throw it over.

[sick crescent]

If this is the case where I constantly imagine, the option is to make Stego stagger Rex

Stego having CC is quite a contentious topic…

[lucid mauve]

yea, it would need something like that, to have a chance. I dont see it tho, way to low damage right now.

[sick crescent]

We don’t know how Rex will be balanced

Damage over 1k could be a rarity, for instance

[lucid mauve]

We know it will be alot stronger,from devs

[sick crescent]

From legacy? Yes, but we don’t know how this correlates with Evrima

[lucid mauve]

No, in evrima

[sick crescent]

That’s what I meant

Rex in evrima will be stronger than Rex in legacy, but we don’t know if this correlates statistically

Since damage, bleed, fractures and weight are different now

As it is rn, Stego does more damage than Legacy Rex

[lucid mauve]

Yea, cus head etc. Even tho they had to make stego take 1.5x

or is it 2x

[sick crescent]

It’s 2x

Stego does 1250 damage rn iirc

It could probably be buffed to like 1600 if you really want it to

[lucid mauve]

A rex gonna do alot more, or ability. Cus its gonna end fights fast, allo can easy take a hit from a stego

[buoyant dove]

I have been ran down by baby and sub deinos regardless if i had speed boost because of there annoying dash, plus from what ive seen they are faster then me on land too

[sick crescent]

Allo can tank the damage but it can’t tank the bleed

[buoyant dove]

i mean, swam down+

[sick crescent]

Since Stego rn still is a nerfed down version of what it should/will be

This has been repeated since it was introduced, current Stego is not as strong as it will be when Apexes come back into the game

[lucid mauve]

Yea its need something, even tho i still think its gonna run from apexes.

But the rex and the trike for instance will have farther reaching impacts than the steg or deino could possibly have. So apexes like them were reserved for later ( that was kissen said )

[buoyant dove]

I wonder if in the future Omni will get a special kind of pin that allows it eat pinned creatures alive, like some birds of prey

[sick crescent]

Idk how Trike would compared to Stego

But Rex definitely would

[buoyant dove]

trike should rekt stego imo, stego has spikes but trike has bigger nastier spikes

trike likely will do more damage and have a little more hp

[lucid mauve]

Trike will rek whatever thats not apex, it might have problem vs smaller stuff tho

[sick crescent]

We also don’t know Trike balance

We’re only saying Stego should be able to take on Rex just fine

[buoyant dove]

seeing how massive it is compared to teno in the concept art i imagine trike will be quite the bit larger then stego

[sick crescent]

Stego and Trike are visually the same size almost tbh

Trike is just… much more fat

[lucid mauve]

Yea, we agree on that if stego gets some new tools. But it needs to really good.

Arent trikes like 8 tons and stegos is like 5 ? in game

[buoyant dove]

I think stego should have a seriously hard time taking on rex, but not a inpossible battle but considering how not very tactially smart rex players are i imagine stego will win most of the time

[lucid mauve]

I saw in concept a alberto killing a stego, well it was 2v1

[buoyant dove]

A few good headshots, and the rex will either run away and bleed out, or just die

but a single headshot on stego from rex should neither do massive dmg or just kill the stego

6 ton bite force strong enough to crush a small car VS peanut head

who wins????!??!

i think u guys arent talking about trike v rex matchups but

i think it should be a 50 - 50

trike can easily kill rex with those meter long razor sharp horns

but rex can easily kill it with a well placed crushing blow with those bone shattering bite

[lucid mauve]

Yea, rex and trike gonna be though match for both. But stego is not on that level, unless it gets more tools

[buoyant dove]

i imagine rex will be like, 8.5 tons or maybe slightly less heavy then trike

[full pewter]

It should be

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but then they need to buff it alot

[buoyant dove]

If stego is gonna be viable in the world of rexes, arcos and spinos its gonna need serious buffs

[full pewter]

Sure, or nerf stego

[buoyant dove]

imo

[lucid mauve]

Nerf it ? Why, nothing in the game right now should have easy kill on stego.

[full pewter]

Oh sorry! I meant nerf rex

To stegos means

[buoyant dove]

I imagine spino will destory stego, considering in the concept art it just easily flips over a fully grown ank

but unlike rex i bet stego will be able to run away from spino

[full pewter]

I think spino should be stegos biggest enemy

[lucid mauve]

Rex is an apex, they should be really strong

[full pewter]

Stego should also get classed as an apex for balance sake

[sick crescent]

By this Deino should one shot everything in the game

[lucid mauve]

Stego can barely oneshot a carno now, what you think a rex gonna do to a carno? Or even something bigger like allo, scare it ?

[sick crescent]

Stego is de facto apex even if it’s not called one

[buoyant dove]

Stego should be semi apex tier imo

[sick crescent]

Fully depends if they do go max size Stego or not

[sick crescent]

Way too defensive and slow for this

Same way as calling Anky semi apex, HAH

[full pewter]

Exactly this👆

[sick crescent]

Stego is larger than yall would think

[lucid mauve]

Anky for sure gonna be apex level : P

[sick crescent]

Reminder the things maximum size is 8 tons

[full pewter]

Yea stego is big enough to say something

[lucid mauve]

Stego is big, but it needs more to face off against apexes.

[sick crescent]

Stegosaurus itself goes to 7-7.2 tons, but with plates and thagomizers included it goes over 8 tons

[lucid mauve]

How heavy is ingame stego ?

[full pewter]

That’s where my anchor mechanic comes in

[sick crescent]

It's currently 6 tons

[buoyant dove]

wait guys i heard the devs renamed utah to omni ebcause they are planning to add utahraptor is that true?

or did they just rename it to omni so its size and weight etc makes some sort of sense?

[urban flax]

They're adding an accurate utah later

But omni's size and weight still doesn't make sense

[buoyant dove]

so omni will basically just be a shrinkwraped, slightly faster utah

[urban flax]

They won't have the same gameplay style

Utah may not be a pack hunter at all

[sick crescent]

Utahraptor would be rather solo compared to Omniraptor

[buoyant dove]

I imagine utah will be big enough to actually defend itself from some mid tiers in small packs

[sick crescent]

Utahraptor also would be a cannibal

[buoyant dove]

I remember when the scariest thing in the isle evrima was being cannibalized by a adult utah

[desert arch]

"Rex should facetank stego and win!!11!1!☝🤓"

[full pewter]

Darn right it should

Change my mind

[desert arch]

Why would stego be viable?🙄

[full pewter]

Do you mean why wouldn’t it be viable?

[desert arch]

Of course, its just a measly herbivore after all. It should die to a rex looking at it.

[mossy cypress]

CANT PLAY GAME

fatal error line 868

[full pewter]

I’d rather have a more productive conversation on this?

[full pewter]

Wait a min I might have misread😅

[desert arch]

On a serious note, anchoring sounds like a neat idea, stego does need some love. But Id rather have it use a different strategy, anky already has this playstyle, but better

[desert arch]

It happens :p

[desert arch]

Or just buff it enough in raw stats so it can survive

But that is a cheap solution

[full pewter]

I think stego and anky should have this, gameplay wise they’re fairly similar. The biggest differences being one does bone break and the other bleeds

There could be others even, stego might be heavier, anky has armor

Heck irl they were fairly closely related

[cyan flame]

Which would be an argument against them doing exactly the same?

[desert arch]

But the thing is bleed, as it is right now, is absolutely pathetic on defense

[cyan flame]

Also I'm pretty sure anky is quite the bit heavier, even with new stego estimates

So I'd argue that while they are similar in some sense, it's all the more reason to give them different fighting methods

And anky fits more for the whole sit/stand right there and let the predator try

[full pewter]

The weights in game aren’t quite the same as irl, stego currently is 6 tons in game, twice as much as irl

[cyan flame]

Nah, irl stego comes up to 7.5-8T it turns out

[desert arch]

Even if stego was on the same stat level as anky, with the same mechanics, anky would still be a far superior option because of its ability to fracture

[cyan flame]

Yeah, but defensive playstyle wise, I'd think stego fits more for a fighting retreat, while anky do want to stand still and break you, then walk away

[full pewter]

Wait in game? Did it change or did i get it wrong? I was basing it on a previous comment

[desert arch]

Not like current stego does a lot of bleed from what Ive seen

[cyan flame]

No no, in game the stego is 6T. Irl it's more than that.

[full pewter]

Gotcha

[cyan flame]

You said 6T in game, twice as much as irl, but irl stego is heavier than in game

Sorry if it got confusing :D

[full pewter]

Last I checked irl stego was 3-4 tons

[cyan flame]

Apparently that's quite outdated, last records I heard puts it at 7-8T

[full pewter]

😉 u gud

[cyan flame]

A lot of things got "upsized" at one point I believe

Talking irl weights here

[full pewter]

Well in that case I’d argue even irl stego might have a chance against a 9-10 ton irl rex

[cyan flame]

Possibly, but then irl would go different anyway because well, pain and all that :p Things we dont need to deal with in a game xD

But rex would still take it, considering how "OP" irl rex was :D

[full pewter]

True true, let’s focus on in game moving forward

[full pewter]

Darn right

So I’m personally ok with the idea of stego having a similar playstyle to anky, there’s enough differences between both to justify both

[desert arch]

I feel like anky would be the superior pick then
If we theorize that the anchor mechanic gets implemented

[full pewter]

I would imagine anky would be better at defending anyway yea

[desert arch]

Why settle for stun and some bleed when you can just fracture the rex and walk away?

[cyan flame]

Similar is fine. I just personally think an anchor mechanic fits anky better. Especiall since in the concept, it just lies down vs the acros and all that

And it would make more sense, since anky has the more reliable "if I break you, you're not going anywhere"

[desert arch]

Then why pick stego?

[cyan flame]

More of a clear "this fight is over now" I'd say, than bleed might be

Also you could make the argument that an anchor mechanic that gives better turn radius/speed and all, would be more needed for anky

[desert arch]

Bleed just sucks on defense

[cyan flame]

Since I can't see anky tail having the same reach as stego does

[full pewter]

Stego is a bit faster, maybe more stam, maybe has more raw health, maybe some other changes

Bleed resistance maybe

[desert arch]

But those arent going to save it the moment 2 apexes exist in its general area.
Especially if anky has a better chance at surviving those 2 apexes

[cyan flame]

Stego having the capability to reach to it's head/neck, while anky has more limited swings, hence anky would be more inclined to use a mechanic that boosts that at the cost of standing still in a place. Especially with anky armor vs stego not having that, in the same way at least. And if stego is faster, it'd make more sense to utilize that "speed" somehow in a more fighting retreat than just standing still. Also I doubt stego would have any more bulk or resistances than stego. After all, it's anky.

[full pewter]

By bulk I meant health I should note

[desert arch]

That would probably save it from gigas, but rexes would still pose a problem

[full pewter]

Idk, gigas are bleeding juggernauts

[sick crescent]

I still am most concerned about Trike balance over Stego balance

PTSD of Rex facetanking Trike

[desert arch]

I would say buff stego to be on par with its irl counterpart stat wise, and give it a tailswing while running, similar to legacy

[sick crescent]

I’d also say to give Stego a stagger

Rex shouldn’t just walk up to Stego, tank a hit, then get to its head and spam bite

Stego should stagger Rex on a head/body hit

[full pewter]

Fair point, I’d think trike will be the overall better choice over stego, but overall I think a stego vs trike matchup should be even but slightly skewed in trikes favor from tankiness. Trike should be tankier than rex

[full pewter]

Yes 👍

[sick crescent]

Trike is more survivable than Stego yeah

It’s hard to think of a weakness for Trike

The thing is just… a behemoth

[desert arch]

No matter how I look at it, its flanks and back look quite vulnerable

So small, agile things can probably have a go at it

[cyan flame]

Health and weight are the same. And anky would have armor on top of that.

[cyan flame]

Trotting at most, not while running.

[desert arch]

It can already swing while trotting tho

[cyan flame]

Ah, I was more so thinking you meant an attack that doesn't stop movement.

Currently attacks do that, stego can't both move and attack, but if it could, as it should, it should be limited to trotting at most

[sick crescent]

Armor is basically damage resistance

I think some dinosaurs should have “piercing” that ignores damage resistance though

[cyan flame]

Yes?

[desert arch]

Thats what I meant, but of course that would be too strong
Maybe doing half the damage of a normal swing all while costing the same amount of stam could be balanced, with the range and motion of legacy stegos swings.

[cyan flame]

Hm, that'd be interesting

[sick crescent]

Stego and Trike having piercing, maybe also Deinocheirus

[cyan flame]

I don't think it'd neccesarily be too strong, not if it's limited to trot only. Stego is far too slow to apply any useful pressure. But the damage could absolutely be lower, but maybe with some CC to it instead. So it's more of a "keep away" attack.

[desert arch]

Yeah, that sounds interesting

[sick crescent]

This won’t prevent the largest issue I have Eden

Rex just walking up to these dinosaurs willy nilly and then just killing them

Rex will still just walk up to Stego willy nilly if you don’t make it super dangerous

[desert arch]

Buffing stego in general stats, while adding a "keep away" attack to it may just be enough

But even if it can deal with 1 rex, what will it do to 2? :/

[sick crescent]

2 don’t matter

[desert arch]

Any pair of apexes will probably kill a solo stego tbh

This isnt necesarrily a rex problem

[full pewter]

Numbers aren’t a problem for any species, sure 1 stego can’t handle two Rexes, but two Rexes probs can’t handle 3 stegos

[cyan flame]

Die, unless it can somehow prevent them from both attacking at the same time. Which is fine, the same should apply to most things, numbers need to be countered by preventing them from using those numbers (not counting things hunting in packs punching up like that, they should obviously require the numbers to have a chance in the first place).

[full pewter]

If you’re caught alone against a group, that’s on you

[loud obsidian]

Please fix the food bug is so stuped i have to be re log in getting another queue.

[strange wave]

hey uh, just gonna add more fuel to the stego because super screwed over when rex is added fire
body fractures disable tail attacks do they not?

[modern pilot]

Literally everything is screwed over when rex is added except deinos

[slim elbow]

what? that's what balance is for

[merry radish]

Maybie small dinos might not be worth it to the T-rex if your the size of a chicken your not worth much to an apex preditor of that size

[slim elbow]

like almost everything can escape from t-rex and stegos can face it

[limber hull]

not true

rex has an EXCEPTIONAL trot speed as well as, according to Dondi, a bloodhound-style scent

stego doesn't stand a chance when running from it

[slim elbow]

stego does not have to run from it

[limber hull]

unless it gets several buffs, it does

stego is in no position to fight rex in its current state

[slim elbow]

we will have to see when t-rex gets added, what are the stats

balance wise stego should be able to face a t-rex

[limber hull]

don't know the stats, do know that rex can stun gigas with headswings (which means it can easily stun stego) and pin paras to the ground (which of course means that it can pin stego)

rex ALSO has a trotspeed that's nearly as fast as a stego in full sprint, and a sprint that easily outspeeds stego

[proud coral]

Where was it stunning Giga said

[limber hull]

rex is also more than likely in the 8-9 ton range, as opposed to stego's 6 tons

yeet

[slim elbow]

that rex would be OP as hell, stegos would go extinct

[limber hull]

hence my concern

[proud coral]

Mmmmmm I mean personally I wouldn't take that as 100% guaranteed to come

[limber hull]

its more than likely that headswing will be its alt-attack

[proud coral]

Seems fitting. A turning bite is hard to picture with Rex unless it looks weird 😛

[limber hull]

headswing aside

the hell is stego going to do against this

para is a BIG animal

[proud coral]

Big part of me is wanting to say this is one of those moments where we're thinking too much in the now when in the then, stuff will likely change. Probably at least.

[limber hull]

it's likely going to outweigh even stego

[proud coral]

Man.....I hope they do hitsounds soon. Can you imagine an attack like that and the only sounds are the Rex grunting and the prey screaming ;-;

[limber hull]

they want rex to be this strong, and I VERY much Dondi is scaling down this thing

[slim elbow]

maybe that's what they are aiming for it to be only AI

like it's too OP

[limber hull]

it's planned to be playable on unofficials

[proud coral]

Oh I didn't mean it like that, and I'd hope for it to not be that. I'm saying they're more than likely gonna change existing stuff alongside stuff like Rex.

[limber hull]

i mean, most animals can adapt to it, except stego

[proud coral]

Like for all we know, Stego might become bigger or get new attacks. Or maybe it could parry. Etc.

I've honestly wanted parries for a while ;o;

[limber hull]

like our current roster can probably avoid it with ease, unless they're specifically stego

[slim elbow]

i'd rather have some spino making trouble for deinos specially

[proud coral]

I do hope they go the power route with Stego and not make it faster. It already flies when it runs

[limber hull]

making it faster is also just fundamentally absurd

[proud coral]

Mmmhm. I don't think it should be an equal or anything, but definitely not "oops I just can't with this predator"

[limber hull]

exactly

i'd argue current stego is weak for what it's meant to be

it should not be struggling with omnis as much as it is

it's literally all about flank-defence and crowd control

[slim elbow]

current stego is like meant to keep deinos in water XD

[limber hull]

which is a beautiful duty

[slim elbow]

indeed

[limber hull]

keep those lizards in their place please

[slim elbow]

punish hard the land deinos

[proud coral]

I mean they've stated before that Stego has more attacks planned, but they're being withheld specifically because it'd be too much for the current roster. So not surprising if Stego is purposely watered down right now.

[limber hull]

yea

i feel like omnis this good at killing stegos will be NUTS against trike

or even diablo

[proud coral]

I still want a new form of "stun" where you can still move, just can't attack. Kinda like vomiting. Smack a Rex in the face at the right moment n' such.

[limber hull]

i mean... vomitlock really hasn't made me fond of the idea

[proud coral]

Trike misses gore, vulnerable and uses tons of stam

Omni misses pounce,...... 🙂

[proud coral]

I don't like it either ;-; It's cheap.

[limber hull]

i mean, trike is planned to rival the INSANE planned rex

so i'd imagine killing that thing would be no easy feat

[proud coral]

Hopefully. I'm just pointing out the awfulness that is Omni pounce having no real punishment on miss right now

[modern dragon]

just sat in a server queue for 15 minutes just to be told the servers full and have to start over ....

[lucid mauve]

How do you see that balance wise? Stego as it is now, it barely one shot carno. And carno is small compered to the other mid tiers coming. You wont be facetanking a rex as allo without getting either destroyed or cripple. As it should.

[full pewter]

It should be crippled in the end, but victorious

[limber hull]

balance-wise, if it doesn't face a t-rex, it dies

also what does allo v rex have to do with stego v rex

[lucid mauve]

Cus allo is big, it can easy take a hit from stego as it is now. 2 allos will prob make problems for a stego. I dont see two allos making problem for a rex, not even close

[limber hull]

allo isn't even half the weight of a stego, and if 2 allos are causing problems for a stego, that's proof that we've got a really underpowered stego

[lucid mauve]

Could be, but so would rex be if thats the case. I have no clue how people think stego will go up vs apexes as it is now

[limber hull]

also, the concept that "2 allos make a problem for a stego, but not a rex" means "stego can't beat rex" is absurd. One carno can easily beat a cera, but 4 carnos can't hope to kill a stego as well as 4 ceras

2 omnis do great against carno, but not against the much smaller cera

This game isn't a matter of what's stronger, it's a matter of what's designed to deal with what

[lucid mauve]

Thats a good point, but carno is sorta designed to not be good vs something bigger. Same with deino

[limber hull]

And we can't possibly have a design for stego that results in it not getting melted by rex?

[lucid mauve]

Yes, if it gets more tools. Im talking stego as it is now.

[limber hull]

Which is what we've been saying, give stego more tools

[lucid mauve]

I mean rex gonna be Op if your close to that mouth, no matter what.

I just guessing allo can compete with albertos, and from concept it looks like two can take one stego down. And it would be very bad balance, if rex had to go around fearing 2 mid tiers lol

[small anchor]

@limber hull what you dont like about the feedback

[limber hull]

carno cannibalism needs to stay dead

[small anchor]

why.

It doesnt even has cera on it's diet, and to have a control to carno population its a good decision

[vapid minnow]

@pure quiver I agree with everything except map, as its a horror game lol

[limber hull]

it makes carno populations exceptionally overpopulated, it doesn't control anything

[small anchor]

It does, they have to be killing theirselves to get diets

[limber hull]

no, it means they can avoid starvation
lose a hunt? free meal
need to feed a ton of babies? carno corpses feed more than anything else
one member of your megapack starves to death? the rest of the megapack can eat them and move on

all it did was enable megapacks, an animal that is a capable hunter does not also need to be able to scavenge its own kind for meals

the amount of carnos in U6 should've proved that

carno cannibalism was easy nutrients, easy food and easy growth

it makes sense on cera because it is an opportunistic scavenger that is a poor hunter

[stray spruce]

Rex just needs to be slow in order to balance it. Just like in real life. Maybe a little faster than irl though.

[vapid minnow]

cera a poor hunter? funny joke

[limber hull]

it SHOULD be

but nah, endurance

[limber hull]

problem, it isn't. Great trotrate, great sprint speed

[stray spruce]

How do you know? Did they release a video or something?

[vapid minnow]

the stupid amount of stam on cera is crazyyy

[stray spruce]

Or a new info...

[limber hull]

they showed it on stream, it trots almost as fast as a human sprints

[vapid minnow]

isnt its trot able to catch up to a stego sprint

[stray spruce]

Do you mean the old stream?

[vapid minnow]

or smth

[small anchor]

what u saying?.. carno was most populated of how META it was, it has nothing to do with canni-diet.. It was just meta like omni in previous upd, if you dont remember. Everybody was using it bc how good it was. Same as carno.
Its just a movement to control the population, they cannibalism for diets/food. They kill theirselves for diets/food.

[limber hull]

wdym old stream

[limber hull]

canni diet literally helps animals prosper, it does not manage numbers well at all

its why deino is also EXTREMELY easy, on top of the already easy fish AI

[vapid minnow]

it encourages adults to merk the juvis lol rip me everytime i grow a cera frfr

[stray spruce]

It was an old stream afaik. It may not won't reflect its capabilities near release.

[limber hull]

it works on cera because cera juvis are one of the things ceras have an easy time hunting, and cera is (meant) to be a bad hunter and have a bottomless stomach

[vapid minnow]

its not really population control because the adults never go after each other often enough

[vapid minnow]

it wasnt an old stream??? what u on

[limber hull]

Dondi literally bragged that rex moves as fast as a human sprint, if it wasn't meant to be that, he'd say so

[buoyant dove]

Yknow it feels like you guys are saying the same thing over and over again running in circles

[limber hull]

what

[small anchor]

It helps with feeding and management of numbers, both of them are boosted.
I wont respond u about deino bc idk what to tell u ab it, if make it still canni or not, idk.
Dont even tell me that carno was just used bc "it was easy to grow", yes, it was easy to get nutrients bc of it's cannibalism, but that was not the point. Carno was META, it just had to rely in ram opponents and they were going to die.
Its my opinion, and i will defend it with these arguments

[limber hull]

it was EXCEPTIONALLY easy to grow because of the cannibalism. Without it, carnos have a much harder time growing

[buoyant dove]

thats why you should play cera!

[small anchor]

lmao

[limber hull]

Carno is also absolutely TERRIBLE this update, but that's another issue entirely that has nothing to do with cannibalism

[vapid minnow]

cera is just overall too op none of its attacks use any stam, it has SO MUCH of it, the bleed resist, the cannibalism... etc

the vom lock too

😭

[limber hull]

large, hunter type animals should not have cannibalism. They should be encouraged to infight and kill each other for territory and food (like a rex should kill its own kind to protect its claim, not for the food). Smaller, slower, scavenger type animals like cera make more sense as cannibals, as they cannot consistently attain their meals

[small anchor]

Thats the reason bc nobody is using it, not bc its harder to get diets.
1 Its charge mech got nerfed, now they dont have that easy to kill dinos
2 Ppl is loving the new dinos and will give them popularity for a bit of time, then they will start playing the old ones
3 Carno is not meta anymore, like omni when it was meta and stop being, it's popularity/population in servers reduced a lot

[limber hull]

like i think carno should kill its own kind, but as an act of contest, not for easy food and nutrients

[vapid minnow]

id be fine with the cannibalism if it wasnt so op but atm? no ty lmao

[small anchor]

Yes but we are not talking how cera must stay as canni? We are talking about carno why u bring cera, rex, to the discuss?

[limber hull]

because it's an important distinction to make

[vapid minnow]

comparisons? ever heard of them

[limber hull]

as cera is an example of a well done cannibal

[small anchor]

Then reduce how it they get benefit of it

[limber hull]

carno was a horribly done cannibal

[small anchor]

?? Comparasion or lack of arguments of the topic: carno cannibalism, not cera cannibalism...

[limber hull]

comparison lol

[small anchor]

I just received the good one "easy food" that has its point

But,

[limber hull]

can you not fathom the concept of a comparitive analysis

[small anchor]

Can be reworked on how carno gets the nutris

[limber hull]

that's literally not how it works, and again, carno shouldn't be encouraged to cannibalise

[small anchor]

Ur not doing comparative analysis, you're bringing dinos that has nothing to do with my feedback..

[limber hull]

it should be encouraged to kill its own if it needs to fight for territory or kills, but not for the easy food its own kind provides

[limber hull]

im bringing in... cannibals into a conversation about cannibalism

how is that not relevant

[vapid minnow]

also w the carno ram ik the damage itself got nerfed but I don't think the stam use is a bad thing because it makes you think more carefully on how to use it in fights instead of just spamming it

[limber hull]

the damage never got nerfed, ironically, even though that's ABSOLUTELY what needs nerfing

[small anchor]

The point of my "Keep carno cannibalism" goes more for the moment when carno population was being control by themselves killing themselves, if you have the issue with them receiving easy nutris from it, then rework how carnos get nutris when doing canni

[vapid minnow]

i thought it did? or was it the stun/stagger or whatever ik smth got reduced

[limber hull]

carno got nerfed in so many unnecessary areas besides its greatest problem

[small anchor]

No, you dont spam it now bc
1 you cant spam it bc carno got the "acceleration" back,
2 you cant drift as how u could when charging
3 hitbox reduced
So they (Or me) when I play it, i dont think of not spamming it bc "It costs a good amount of stam", i dont bc i can't do what i was used to.
Id just say to keep a balance with the rework of the charge (that i think is good and fair now) to lower the cost of activation.

[limber hull]

carno's charge is why it sucks so bad. They've been constantly nerfing the animal's base stats and abilities because its charge is literally one of the strongest moves in the game

• 350 damage
• Hard knockdowns
• No timing necessary
• Exceptionally easy to pull off
• Can hit multiple targets in a row
• Can be increased in damage by headshots

They NEED to buff stats like trot-rate, stamina and charge cost, and nerf the charge damage, it does NOT need to do 350

[small anchor]

Actual stats of a charge?

[limber hull]

Carno needs to be better built into the role of small-game hunter, as well as just better built as a general animal, rather than only being strong in one area and sucking utter ass in everything else

[small anchor]

Wdym trot rate?

[limber hull]

how fast the trot speed is

[small anchor]

make it faster?

[limber hull]

yes, make it trot faster

[small anchor]

why? why you think it needs to be?

[limber hull]

because its got a really bad trot speed for its size and niche

[small anchor]

f.e i dont think it should be faster than teno

how much faster u would make it

[small anchor]

hmm idk i think it fits good with it

[limber hull]

not faster than teno, but faster than what it is now

carno would work much better as a pursuit predator, not this botched-ass ambush hunter that'll get eaten alive on Gateway

god i hate ambush carno so bad

[vapid minnow]

rip my teno its like my 5th time growing this grrr

[limber hull]

teno ain't great this patch either :(

[vapid minnow]

i hate the vom lock ceras can do w teno bc they just ass ride u and the vomiting keeps you from kicking/tail slamming

😭

[limber hull]

vom lock is pain

[small anchor]

i think its pretty good im just curious of why they nerfed tail slam dmg, iirc nobody complained ab it, and it wasn't a dangerous thing

[limber hull]

because cera

[small anchor]

hm

but cera is meant to use its dmg reduction

[limber hull]

cera got way too much handed to it

[small anchor]

not to hunt it without dmg reduction

[small anchor]

.

[small anchor]

.

if cera goes against teno without its new buff thing, it may be the ceras fault, why teno had to be reworked against the entire ecosystem ?

[limber hull]

idk, because cera

again, cera got tons handed to it

[vapid minnow]

also my 30% teno got yoinked by 2 raptors when there were like 5 bodies lol and... why can 2 raptors pounce my tiny ass 1 on each side??? why was it not knocking me over that was broke asf

[small anchor]

wdym with that question!

?

[small anchor]

are u st?

[limber hull]

if you're above 450kg, omni don't pin you

[vapid minnow]

i shouldve been knocked to the ground bc i was tiny but for some reason they were able to both be pounced 1 on each side lol

[limber hull]

yes

[vapid minnow]

i was like 30% teno im pretty sure they should have

[small anchor]

👍

@swift herald

i recommend u toggle character screen to “C“ key, its easy to press and its near of the "wasd" combination so u dont lose too much time if u are in a hurry to check hp, also u can press it with the thumb if u control that finger better

[vapid minnow]

i bind it to x

[small anchor]

i let the x to the nv

[vapid minnow]

smart

[small anchor]

the only things i config was teno tail slam, r for resting and that c for character screen

[vapid minnow]

oh my god you can reconfig teno tail slam that would make my life SO much easier im so stupid

[small anchor]

yes i recommend toggle CTRL square and M1 button

iirc default key is alt + M2?

i dont remember

but wait

that will change all the attacks of dinos that require CTRL and M1, i ignored the other dinos bc i mained teno

later i can send screenshot of the config to explain better now i turned the pc off

[vapid minnow]

ive got crouch as c lol also just used a boar to kill a juvi cera that tried to nom me

[small anchor]

lmao

boar vs juvi cera is a free travel to lobby

ig boar is faster, when it detects you as bb cera.. bye bye

[vapid minnow]

mwhahahaha thumb buttons ftw

love this mouse

[small anchor]

🔪

[barren crater]

Carnos trot is comparable to Cera's, which is hilarious and sad

Leggy plains animal with a trot comparable to a tiny guy

[lucid mauve]

Cant omnis trot same speed as carnos ?

[barren crater]

Nah Omni is slower, but it moves for its size tbf

Carno's trot speed is a big downgrade from legacy

[lucid mauve]

Ahh ok, cus it was not a huge problem having a carno trotting behind me as omni i think

[barren crater]

Omni isn't that slow compared to carno

[lucid mauve]

yea, omni is fast. I just tho carno would trot me down easy

Been awhile since i tried carno and omni lol

I tried carno the other day, but that juvi animation. Something was strange : P

[limber hull]

I am very much hoping Rex isn't a cannibal because I feel that'd make it too easy

[barren crater]

Also makes it into a rex ecosystem

[limber hull]

yep

[lucid mauve]

Rex prob gonna be hard to grow, i hope.

[short iron]

@quartz glade what do you mean with new left click?
If you mean the manual alt attack, you can easily enable it in the settings and you'll be able to bite normally again

[silent pebble]

this is true, but i feel like it should also be opposite aswell. Like its automatically alt attacking but you can hold alt to do a regular attack. yk?

[short iron]

Yea, this would be a good idea for sure

I think they should have implemented that insteat of how it is rn

[silent pebble]

oh well, heres to hoping lol

[austere axle]

Apex carcass should give all three nutrients to all carnivores. That would make it really hard to grow one

[limber hull]

It would make it super easy if it just killed other apexes

[cosmic thorn]

Playing an apex should be a reward. Maybe every couple of hours or so an egg randomly spawns somewhere on the server, and whoever finds it gets to spawn as an apex juvie

[austere axle]

But all other carnivores would hunt them too. Maybe between apexes would give only one nutrient

[limber hull]

idk man, i'd prefer apexes give one nutrient to whatever is meant to hunt them, rather than having three nutrients animals like carno will never be able to attain

[austere axle]

you think carnos won't be able to hunt juv-sub rex?

[limber hull]

sub rex would kill carno

easily so

i also think it would lead to players spawning in as and sacrificing juvi rexes for easy nutrients

[buoyant dove]

Yall remember tokyo jungle???

My main was Dilophosaurus and cat

[wraith ibex]

#general-feedback message
HA You've not played Cera
it is not overpowered, if you lost to 2 ceras with 6 tenos y'all are just bad at teno SDFGSDFG, I've been close to death as a good cera against good tenos, the fact that you had to run off after one died makes sense 💀

[cyan flame]

Cera is quite overtuned, and the vomit lock is an issue. Sure, those tenos might not have been the best, but the body buff is quite powerful.

[ember wadi]

if those ceras want one teno they can get it but to make teno life easier the trick is tail slam both down, kick and claw, it should be easy as a herd of 6 to kill them if you do that

[wraith ibex]

^

[cyan flame]

Tenos can be quite difficult to work well with in a group, they're not exactly well built for herding

[wraith ibex]

yes..they are???

[cyan flame]

And in any case, cera does need some nerfs

[heady harbor]

Ceras are a four tap with teno kick

[wraith ibex]

no no it doesn't

solo ceras get bodied by EVERYTHING

[cyan flame]

No, no they're not. The tailslam does quite the collateral damage, they're not very well designed to fight together

[wraith ibex]

CARNO KILLS IT NO DIFF, A SOLO TENO KILLS IT WITH HEALTH TO SPARE, TROODONS CAN EASILY KILL IT IF SKILLED

[cyan flame]

Cera vomit lock makes them as bad, if not worse, than pachy last patch, so that needs to be fixed. Aside from that, cera could do with a bit of a nerf on speed or stamina, or possibly both

[wraith ibex]

Thats the WHOLE POINT

Without vomit it would be AWFUL

[cyan flame]

I did not say remove vomit, I said remove the ability to vomit lock

There's a difference there

[heady harbor]

Run if they get the vomit lock
It’s saved my butt a couple times

[cyan flame]

Doesn't excuse the terrible mechanic

Also doesn't apply to things slower than them

[wraith ibex]

^
Dradger is one of the best tenos i've seen

THe only thing slower than them is stego which bodies cera instantly

[cyan flame]

No matter how you look at it, cera is overtuned, or possibly the others are undertuned

[heady harbor]

It’s a fantastic mechanic, I love it and this is coming from a teno main

[cyan flame]

You've clearly not seen how that goes

[wraith ibex]

yes i have
I had a group of 7 CERAS
We lost like 4

[cyan flame]

Well, then you're just bad

[wraith ibex]

and it got away
NO???

[cyan flame]

I'm sorry to say, but cera is overtuned and vomit lock needs to go

[wraith ibex]

Stego is quite literally the most powerful thing in game

[cyan flame]

No, no its not

[wraith ibex]

no
if vomit lock is removed cera will be awful

[cyan flame]

That'd be deino. Ptera if you're talking survival

[wraith ibex]

Uh
Stego bodies deino what're you on

[cyan flame]

No, vomit lock needs to go. Cera will be fine anyway

Deinos are far more overpowered in general

[heady harbor]

It is
Stego 2 taps cera body shot, face shot is Insta kill

[cyan flame]

So? Deino oneshots cera at all times if it lunges

[wraith ibex]

yet i don't see you complaining about Deino???

[cyan flame]

Oh but I do

I think deino very much needs nerfs, or rather, better interactions with it its mechanics

[wraith ibex]

the whole point of cera
is to make you vomit
if you fight smart and force tail hits you will not vomit

[cyan flame]

But that doesnt mean vomit lock is good

[wraith ibex]

also what is vomit lock??

[cyan flame]

The fact is, stun locking is bad, it wasnt good when pachy did it, its not good when cera does it

[wraith ibex]

so
remove teno's tail stun then 🤓

by that logic

[cyan flame]

It's when you make the target puke until every single bite makes it puke over and over

So it's completely locked out of doing anything

[wraith ibex]

remove deinos lunge all together then

[heady harbor]

That’s your own fault if you let a cera do that to you that many times

[cyan flame]

But clearly you don't even know that, so maybe you should learn how your playable works before you question it

[valid brook]

Vomit lock is when ceras nonstop bite something and cause that something to be unable to fight back

[north quiver]

you can’t attack while vomiting, hunger drains down to nearly nothing, so making a target vomit again is painfully easy

[wraith ibex]

Remove Carnos charge

[cyan flame]

No, no its not. You cant run away as stego

Or as trike or rex

[wraith ibex]

if you let a cera get you to that point as stego you're an awful stego LMAO

[heady harbor]

Stego 2 taps em

[cyan flame]

So that should be fun, vomit locking a rex

[cyan flame]

No, no you're not. You have a pack, you just rush the stego

[cyan flame]

Doesn't matter

[valid brook]

it only takes about 3 charge bites iirc

[wraith ibex]

you rush the stego you die

[heady harbor]

Shouldn’t be hard to kill a whole pack of ceras as stego, the swing goes far

[cyan flame]

You all rush it, together, you...

[north quiver]

have you seen 7+ ceras rush a stego? not much it can do about it. It might get a kill or two, but it’s going to start puking fast

[cyan flame]

Why don't you try then

[wraith ibex]

no cause i don't play officials cause they're toxic 💀

[cyan flame]

Because you'll fail, I know you will

You do not have the ability to kill them all before they make you puke, and once you puke, you're done for

[north quiver]

then that’s the problem. balancing that comes to mind is mostly based off of official servers gameplay

[cyan flame]

And this won't just happen to stego, but to every playable that cera is faster than that can puke

[wraith ibex]

also
Rex will most likely 1 tap a cera

[cyan flame]

It's not even that, the fact is that ceras can and do vomit lock, and it's a terrible mechanic, as bad as pachy stun lock

[north quiver]

💯

[cyan flame]

Doesn't matter. You have 6 of them biting you, by the time you kill oine, the others will have stacked vomit

[heady harbor]

If there’s 7 of anything that large it’s gonna kill you unless you play really smart

[wraith ibex]

You do realize thats the WHOLE POINT OF CERA YES?

[cyan flame]

How is this difficult for you people to grasp?

[cyan flame]

No, no its not

[wraith ibex]

yes it is
the whole point
is to make you vomit

[valid brook]

something to keep in mind is that just because something CAN one shot something, doesnt mean it will. Player skill can count for a lot of interactions

[cyan flame]

You're not supposed to go vomit lock things to death

[wraith ibex]

and I don't
I usually don't even waste half my bile in a hunt

[cyan flame]

Again, that's not even the issue. You can only attack so fast. And while you kill one, the other four stacks vomit on you at the same time.

Doesn't matter if you don't Aki, it can be done

And it shouldn't be doable, that's the point

[valid brook]

this is also true

[wraith ibex]

I mean
if the devs left it in it was intended 💀

[cyan flame]

Mhm, yeah no, they do make mistakes, you realize that

[valid brook]

or an un-noticed side effect

[north quiver]

ceras aren’t even supposed to be hunting (not counting things that have their legs broken and can’t fight back/run because of that). they’re supposed to be scavengers

[cyan flame]

Unless you're saying U6 carno charge hitbox was intended?

[wraith ibex]

i would appriciate not being spam pinged could you turn off that ping on the reply thank you :)

[cyan flame]

No matter how you look at it, vomit lock is terrible, as bad as pachy stun lock. And cera is quite overtuned.

So noted, I apologize!

[wraith ibex]

ty

[valid brook]

ofc, will try my best to remember

[wraith ibex]

also if stun mechanics are soooo bad lets remove every other integral stun mechanic

[cyan flame]

Stuns arent bad. Stunlocks are bad.

[wraith ibex]

Carnos charge, tenos kick and tail slam

[cyan flame]

Oh ffs, I'm sorry xD

They should add so you can turn off that permanently xD

[wraith ibex]

those are all stun mechanics

[valid brook]

when you ping, in the bottom right you can turn off the actual ping notif. you may allready know but meh. lol

[wraith ibex]

im just using y'alls logic

[wraith ibex]

its alright dw SDFSDFG

[cyan flame]

They are. But you can't just constantly apply them and not let the target fight back. You can't stunlock a carno as teno. You can't stunlock things as pachy any more. But you can stunlock with vomit.

[wraith ibex]

uh..tenos tail slam

[cyan flame]

Before pachy change, you stunned on every ram, so you could just keep stunning a carno and teno in every hit.

[wraith ibex]

you can absolutely do that

[valid brook]

while all of these can stun, they cant stun lock. imagine if every time you got kicked by a teno, it refreshed the duration you were knocked down for. thats kinda what we're talking about

[cyan flame]

Does have a cooldown I believe. If you slam a carno, it can then move, and not be stunned again for a few moments

At least last I played and tested, the carno can take a slam, even if you keep slamming it, it can run away

[wraith ibex]

yeah but if they spam it that carno is near dead by the time it moves

[valid brook]

yeah all of tenos stuns have a cooldown giving things enough time to get out of the way before they are stunned again

[wraith ibex]

teno is just as overtuned as Cera just in a different way imo

[cyan flame]

Yes but's still not a stunlock.

The point here is that cera can just keep you in a perpetual loop of puking

[wraith ibex]

i would be fine with giving vomit a cooldown but removing the lock entirely wouldn't make sense

[cyan flame]

Preventing you from doing anything, aside from running, but running only applies to faster things

[wraith ibex]

because Cera is based around getting its prey to be sick

[cyan flame]

I would just have it scale at the very least

Though I would also exchange multiple vomits, for harsher debuffs

So after you make the target puke once, you can't make it puke again, however, let's say you get put into malnutrition

[wraith ibex]

I don't think that

[cyan flame]

This gives you a quite the limited time to act, before your playable will just die to the cera

[heady harbor]

Ah ok thank you for that clarification Thyler
Yea I can see why you want that cera stun lock removed

[cyan flame]

The issue is also the lack of scaling

[wraith ibex]

is a good solution, stacking vomit is kinda the point
I think the best course of action is once you're out of hunger you can't be made to vomit

[cyan flame]

It takes 5 bites to puke an omni, it takes 5 bites to puke a stego

Less if you use charged bite

I dont know the exact value for charged vomit, but the main point is that there's no scaling based on size

So if we kept it like right now, it'd take you 5 bites to vomit a rex too

[wraith ibex]

yeah i see that actually

[heady harbor]

Except you 2 shot Omni with body shots so that’s not really going to apply very often

[cyan flame]

This is very doable with your fast biting, if you're in a group and you all rush the rex

[wraith ibex]

this

[cyan flame]

Of course. Maybe scaling should be a thing, one bite to puke omni, more bites to puke larger things?

[valid brook]

what would be nice, is if ceras played around that. currently they just play around stunning you to death. (look at carno V cera fight for example when carno misses it's charge) if the ceras got something to vomit, then just followed it and prevented it from eating or drinking till it starved todeath, that would be a different unique style of play that doesnt really... whats the word... prevent people from fighting back?

[cyan flame]

Also sorry for ping! I'll try and remember to apply that to you too!

I would personally like it if vomit was more long term

[heady harbor]

Oh I don’t care about the ping don’t worry

[cyan flame]

Less of a "battle ability" and more "I puked, now I have to suffer for a while", plus maybe giving of the "puke scent", so you are at risk of being hunted down later

More of a clear deterrent, rather than a lock to use in battle

But yeah, vomit lock is bad, as it stands. That's just how it is. If you're willing to at least risk one of your packmates, you can just rush a stego and completely take it out with nothing it can do about it.

[valid brook]

that would be interesting. currently ceras can smell vomit, but i think it would be really nice if they could smell a dino that has vomit sickness

[wraith ibex]

i didn't know vomit lock existed til today LMAO

Usually i hunt in pairs against tenos and kill it before vomit lock sets in

[valid brook]

believe it or not, you probably vomit lock it and dont realize it. i dont think (unless you get all headbites) you can kill a teno before vomit locking it as a cera.

[cyan flame]

Yeah, it'd make more use of the puke scent. And combined with some harsher debuffs, like malnutrition, you really dont want to be caught at that point. Also if you have to lick salt to get healthy and be able to start building nutrition again, oh boy. Scale with vomit bites to make larger things take longer to vomit, and we'd have something interesting.

[heady harbor]

You’ve vomit locked me multiple times with the pairs.

[wraith ibex]

have I?

[cyan flame]

Possible yes, teno isn't that tanky, and if you both attack it at the same time, it will fold. One or two pukes is normally not enough, but on the third, you'll be so low on food that a single bite makes you puke again.

[valid brook]

might wanna throw that in the actual feedback. i think this discussion actually came up with a really cool solution

[north quiver]

smelling another dino is just inherently bad because it allows nearly no escape through hiding. your stam will be screwed from vomit and lack of diet, so all it has to do is track you down with scent and finish it

[wraith ibex]

i didn't even notice dradger lmao

[heady harbor]

Yup
Just didn’t know it was called vomit lock

[cyan flame]

Well, combine it with some nerfs to speed/stamina, and only ceras could sniff you out at that point. It could be an interesting deterrent.

[wraith ibex]

i can see how it'd be a problem
i wasn't too focused on what it was going on on the teno's end i'll be honest
i was focused on killbeforeidiekillbeforeidiekillbeforeidie

[cyan flame]

But might not be neccesary, smelling the puke would still entice a cera to come looking

[valid brook]

fair, i dont think vomiting from cera bite drains your stam. Maybe theres a way to balance it more, such as you continue to puke every so often until your vomit sickenss heals (but this extress puking wont increase the timer of your vomit sickness)

[heady harbor]

That’s the point
These things have the best nose in the game atm, and endurance hunting is what they’re good at it seems with how good their stam us (or used to be)

[cyan flame]

Since it would know that a weak target is around, or it might smell it and go "hey, salt licks nearby, let me just check that area"

[north quiver]

they better be nerfing that speed and stam all to hell

[wraith ibex]

okay no-
cera is the slowest land carni atm

[north quiver]

it’s not supposed to be an endurance hunter. just a bully scavenger

[cyan flame]

It's generally as you said, less noticable on lower health critters cause they die. But I think cera can vomit lock teno too, I believe after the third bite or so, you can't do anything, you're just going to die.

[north quiver]

the fact they have so much stam right now is just sad

[wraith ibex]

i'd rather not play a scavenger thats not why i play Cera and clearly the devs intended for it to be an endurance hunter

[cyan flame]

It is, doesn't neccesarily mean it's not too fast to be fair, or have too much stam. But the vomit and how it works is the obvious issue.

[wraith ibex]

they just didn't clarify well like usual

[valid brook]

is that true. im not sure.. even if it is, it's still quite fast. i dont think it needs to be stego slow, but making it just a touch slower and letting it use it's stam over it's speed to hunt things might make it more balanced

[wraith ibex]

omni, carno are both faster

[heady harbor]

Yup
Was stuck in that loop after only 3-4 hits testing it out with only a pair of ceras against a lone teno

[wraith ibex]

deino is a mostly aquatic hunter so i don't count it

[cyan flame]

I don't think they did, again, balancing isn't always reflective of goals. Or will always stay, they could change things around. But it has been said to be more of a scavenger than active hunter. And maybe that doesn't fit for you, that's fine. Most people don't play stego because it's slow and you only get the action someone else allows you, but there's a few people that do like it.

[north quiver]

my guy they advertised it as a scavenger. omni is the endurance hunter. if it’s supposed to be an endurance hunter, then body buff and vomit should be removed

[wraith ibex]

omni is a much better endurance hunter now so like
WOO back to being an omni main DSFSDG

[cyan flame]

If you don't like scavenger, that's fine, you got carno, omni, troodon even, and others in the futre. So while it is an understandable argument, they have said they have a large roster to give everyone something to play as

[wraith ibex]

even though i've been hyped for Cera for ages 💀

Also you seem to forget the devs tend to overcorrect no matter the situation

we ask for a nerf it'll just be awful

[heady harbor]

I still feel like omni needs better stam if they’re going to be an endurance hunter

[cyan flame]

To be fair, a lone teno should die to a pair of ceras. The issue isn't ceras "power", its just the vomit lock. The issue wasnt that a single carno dies to 4+ pachies, but how they killed it. Same with cera these days.

[wraith ibex]

carnos bleed pool literally sucks, its worse than omni's 💀

[cyan flame]

Oh boy, yes we know, trust me! :D

That's a well known issue :p

[valid brook]

it's always about narrowing in onthe perfect balance right. most of the time when something is releasedd (in any game) it's too powerful, then it gets nerfed too hard. then buffed too much, then nerfed too much, and its about then that it starts to find its place

[cyan flame]

Carno has extra multipliers on all movement/standing, that's why it bleeds like it does

[north quiver]

everything needs a weakness, or else it’ll just be overtuned like cera is

[heady harbor]

Agreed
I was more surprised that I was killed within seconds tho against that pair. I’ve been able to handle myself well against carnos for multiple minutes and the speed ceras brought me down left me speechless

[wraith ibex]

yeah but does a carno look like it'd bleed out in literal seconds
i don't think so

carnos weakness should always be its stam

[north quiver]

It doesn’t bleed out in seconds

[wraith ibex]

uhh
as a carno main
it bleeds out quick
quicker than update 5

now mind you
I liked carno in update 5

[cyan flame]

That it does, but that does not neccesarily make carno bleed like that being a reasonable weakness to be fair. Especially not if it's meant to hunt omnis and similar sized things.

[wraith ibex]

^^

[cyan flame]

They bite fast, have almost as much power behind their bites, and if you vomit you're out of the fight for that moment, allowing them safe access to any part for extra damage.

[wraith ibex]

Carno's weakness should be its stam
if you don't manage it, you're dead

[cyan flame]

Not quite, but it is very fast I believe.

[heady harbor]

It is extremely fast
Much faster than any other update so far

[cyan flame]

Wait, they made it even worse? Last I heard, it hasn't changed from 5-5.5

[wraith ibex]

yee

[north quiver]

omni is a menace to a lot of things this update. both tenos and carnos get bodied by its insane bleed and agility. galli too but that’s reasonable

[wraith ibex]

yeah no it changed alright

[cyan flame]

You sure you don't just bleed more because stamina is now much more draining + the start up cost on charge

[wraith ibex]

it changed in update 6 too

carno was just way too overpowered in update 6

[cyan flame]

From what I've heard, carno do seem to struggle with stamina more this patch, and that would explain the bleeding

[wraith ibex]

and thats coming from a carno main

[cyan flame]

Eh, honestly U6 carno would have been fine with having hitbox fixed, plus a small startup cost on charge as well as requiring a few more steps to get to use it

[wraith ibex]

update 5.5 carno was fine honestly

[cyan flame]

The combination of shadow hitbox and point blank charge made it quite rough to deal with though

[wraith ibex]

took a lot of skill but once you hit the skill ceiling you were practically unkillable

[cyan flame]

Eh, yes and no. I don't consider that carno good, but that's mostly because charge was bad all around.

[heady harbor]

Agreed
The hit boxes are always gnarly with carno

[wraith ibex]

i thought it was fine

[cyan flame]

Eh, carno never took much skill I don't think, I'd say the only playable that did, or does, require skill is teno. With teno, it's a clear difference between a good and bad one, far more so than with all the others

[heady harbor]

Oh yea completely agree
I’ve seen some really bad teno’s

[wraith ibex]

Carno does take skill
Every playable takes skill
if a solo bad cera runs in to a teno with moderate skill its dead lmao

I have seen terrible tenos too

[cyan flame]

I guess it depends on how you see it being used. I would prefer charge to be used in pursuit and be able to be reliably used in a chase. Old charge was only really good vs borderline afk targets, though it scaled immensely well in groups, and still do. Just like cera does.

[cyan flame]

I mean, yes, you're right there, all playables do require some base skill of course. It's more so that teno seems to be one of the few where you have multiple attacks, they all fill different purposes, and you need to know how and when to use them, and manage your stamina well at that.

It's a playable where a bad teno is fodder while a good teno is terrifying to go up against

[wraith ibex]

oh yeah i totally agree

dradger is the latter, i've played with her a bunch

[boreal plover]

everyone's ping is 3-400 bro

[cyan flame]

Sure there's differences between good and bad in all playables of course, teno just really shows it

[wraith ibex]

she is a terrifying teno

[heady harbor]

Why thank you

[cyan flame]

Which is part of why it's such a good playable, so well designed and all

[wraith ibex]

yee

[cyan flame]

I wish more of the playables were in line with teno honestly

[wraith ibex]

Omni all around this i think the best it's ever been??

[cyan flame]

I normally main stego, it's my all time favourite critter, but teno is by far the most fun to fight with

[wraith ibex]

doesn't feel too weak but can still be bodied if you get overly cocky

[cyan flame]

Omni is far as I know, quite good, possibly overtuned due to the lack of punishment on pounce miss. Aside from that, I have all kinds of issues with pounce and bucking, but that's less omni specific and more the mechanic itself

I still think it's silly that you can pounce the face or rear and just get teleported to the flank

[heady harbor]

Teno is my all time favorite
Beautiful animations and a fantastic array of attacks all used for certain play styles
I usually use claw for Omni and kicking/tail slamming for larger things

[wraith ibex]

the lack of miss pounce punishment is consistency with troodon i believe

[wraith ibex]

they brought back magnetic pounce

[cyan flame]

You any good with teno vs teno? :D

[heady harbor]

Agreed
Nice thing is there’s a weird window that you can still deal damage to omnis if they’re dumb enough to pounce you from the front or side (alt attack for that one)

[wraith ibex]

YES

YES SHE IS

[heady harbor]

Oh yea I’ve done it countless times
It’s really fun

[cyan flame]

You can, carno can bite one, but it's still silly that the pounce works in the first place. You can of course hit them in mid air, which I think is fine. I just dislike that you don't need to "aim" the pounce properly. If you're sitting on the flanks of the target, you should have to aim at the flanks of the target to land the pounce, no?

Then we should go have a practice fight or two, curious to see how you fight!

[heady harbor]

I would love to do that sometime!
I’m more of a defensive fighter than offensive, but I can switch between the two pretty easily

[cyan flame]

I tend to favour being defensive myself, so that might be interesting. Teno vs teno is one of the more fun mirror matches, so always interesting to do!

[heady harbor]

Agreed!

[drifting fossil]

@tropic forge Apexes are balanced by being slower than dinosaurs but while at the same time keeping the dinosaur playable

[tropic forge]

that isnt part of the balance, not that they will be, giga will be faster than some of the slower mid tiers most likely
the issue is with them reaching adulthood not after that

[drifting fossil]

But also giga has a terrible growth stages but apexes kind of balance each other out but raptors should be a big part in balancing apexes

and also apexes should require alot of food very quickly

[tropic forge]

raptors realisticly wouldnt stand a chance against apexes, its packs of mid tiers that should balance apexes

[rare fractal]

Omnis will likely delete most apexes without dr

[sonic mural]

@barren zephyr they can take on carnos

[drifting fossil]

yea rex would be too slow and sloppy to fight off a decent raptor pack

Which will also balance rex

[limber hull]

based on what i've seen, rex is by no means slow, sporting probably the fastest trotspeed of any animal in EVRIMA

and its sprint speed, while not exceptionally fast, is still nothing to scoff at

[limber hull]

devs intended it to be a long-range scavenger/bully, they've always said its a terrible hunter

[wraith ibex]

then..why do they show it hunting what looks like a sub deino???

also please don't ping me in replies /lh

or well, past the 1st one

[limber hull]

because of its aquatic affinity, hunting small deinosuchus is very easy considering how slow it is

also what does /lh mean

[wraith ibex]

lighthearted

[limber hull]

ahhh, thanks for the clarification

[wraith ibex]

its a tone indicator

yw

[limber hull]

yea i know, i just dont remember all of them

but yea, it doesn't take an endurance hunter to kill a deino

cera is presented as an opportunist and a water-lover, so it hunting littler deinos is totally within its ballpark

[wraith ibex]

usually i'd be fine with pings but im waiting on a PoT mod to release so when i have to scroll down for a ping i get excited DSAFSDFG

[limber hull]

ahahaha

yea all good

[wraith ibex]

wait it was presented as a water lover?

[limber hull]

yea, it's an INSANELY good swimmer

in the concept art, water was often a tool it used to escape larger predators

and in-game, it has both one of the highest swimspeeds of ANY terrestrial animal, even tenonto, and can alt-bite in the water (something no other terrestrial can do)

so yea, cerato is VERY good with water, if you test it, you'll notice its swimspeed, swimming stam and other factors are VERY good

[wraith ibex]

yee

i just thought
"Oh cool i won't get bodied by deinos as easily :D"

[wraith ibex]

very good for beipi fishing :]

[limber hull]

if the beipi is dumb then yea :P

but yea, water is part of its general lifestyle plan

and its encouraged to use water as a way to get away from things it otherwise can't handle

since carnos sink like stones, tenontos can't use most of their best attacks in the water, allos more than likely won't be amazing swimmers, so on

[full pewter]

@cunning gust stego isn’t getting “removed” it’s just moving to community servers, it’ll probably be only temporary while the roster gets set out and is more suitable for apexes, since the roster now is mostly mid tiers and smaller
Note that I do disagree with this decision and that it is unecessary, and it’s strange deino isn’t getting similar treatment. Supposedly the devs plan on giving stego some new abilities to help it handle rex and other apexes, for now we will have to see what happens

[limber hull]

i mean, I'm glad they heard our cries for stego buffs

but yea, hefty price

[full pewter]

I just wonder what their idea is

And who freakin knows when the roster will be set out adequately enough, if we get new Dino’s by the end of summer, I’ll have hope

[compact bobcat]

@cinder tartan

“Let Deino death roll creatures in its grasp. It's wild it can do it to corpses but not to grabbed creatures. Sitting at the bottom and drowning them is lame.”

I actually think that would be super neat. Maybe as a separate ability that costs a large portion of stamina but deals either high bleed/damage, bone break/damage or even bleed/bonebreak so it isn’t too OP to chunk a target while bone breaking. Maybe even change swap effects based on the location targeted.

[rare fractal]

Giving lunge any additional effects even at a higher stam cost would be such a mistake

It’s already a literal oneshot to everything it works on

Adding a death roll is not only insanely redundant but a massive middle finger to any animal deino shares a habitat with that has the oxygen to survive being lunged

The only potential survivability other semi aquatics smaller than deino may have is lunge not working on them

[sick crescent]

Still think Stego needs to stagger Rex tbh

[rare fractal]

Bleed as a defense mechanism literally doesn’t do anything

It’s just delayed damage that only kicks in after you die

So it needs something else

[sick crescent]

I also just thought of something just now as I was ranting basically in another discord, you guys know how ceratopsians are going to have 360 movement?

Oh man, Trike using rocks to cover its behind will be better than ever lol

[full pewter]

Assuming rex can stagger stego with its headbutt, stego needs something too

[sick crescent]

Defo

I think Rex staggering Stego is fine depending on where it hits

[rare fractal]

It’s a strategy literally everything CAN use, it’s just commonly seen with stegos because without environmental positioning they’re borderline defenseless against pouncers

[sick crescent]

Still don't get why it's called overpowered when it's supposed to be called being smart lol

Wow this Stego is actually playing it smart and might live my megapack, how dare thy

[rare fractal]

Reminds of the Cerato feedback that called “jumping on rocks to escape Cerato” as overpowered because they could just get away

[sick crescent]

Besides pre-3.5 Stego, even using water and such on that wasn't good enough

[rare fractal]

Like…oh no my potential prey has methods to deny me food

Tragic

“But carnivores HAVE to eat others to survive”

“Depower stego it’s a herbivore prey item”

(Almost like herbivores being strong is a way to encourage more people to play them over carnis so that the ecosystem doesn’t literally eat itself to death)

[sick crescent]

I don't think the overabundance of carnivores makes the game more deathmatchy tbh because during periods in evrima where there was more herbivores than carnivores herbis just killed eachother a lot

They still do

You just get carni players that grow spite towards Herbivores(rather it be the entire diet category or a specific playable) and thus KOS mirror match, we still see this with Stego very often

[rare fractal]

Oh I know it’s not in an effort to prevent KOSing by any means.
Having an ecosystem where the majority of players need to kill eachother to fulfill basic survival needs isn’t sustainable

That’s what I’m getting at

[dim arrow]

@violet vessel @unreal ridge You guys realize you're posting in the FEEDBACK channel? FEEDBACK being return information about something you experienced? Things you're asking for isn't even in the game, so how can you feed BACK about it? If anything, it's for the requests channel

[limber hull]

feedback can be on plans for the future

[dim arrow]

@limber hull Once again, even though I already explained it, feed back is literally giving back information about something you experienced. No one's experienced dinosaurs that haven't even been showcased by the devs. However, a far more fitting channel is the requests one

[limber hull]

no, that's exclusively for things you want to see in phase-three

not for things you want to see in the game

phase three is for previews of upcoming content

[dim arrow]

I'm stating facts and you're saying no, bye

[limber hull]

i'm stating how things work lol

you're allowed to post suggestions

[last lily]

[limber hull]

why do people get so personally offended by just being corrected on minor mistakes that don't matter

[pure quiver]

@swift herald I agree on your point of havinf health show up on your UI, but on top of that, make it animated, and make it a map of the dino's body, so you can see where you're hurt. Head, body, tail, leg, etc. And it only fades in when the status is actively changing. Blinking twice when hit, slowly blinking/breathing if there's bleed damage, etc.

[unreal ridge]

Yo bro can I voice my opinion on the game I bought like everyone else here?

Plus there’s no suggestions, but would be considered feedback from what we know from the game now and how we perceive that a future creature may end up, so we try to steer it away from obscurity

[valid zephyr]

God it's funny watching the entire community complain 24/7 about stego being op. Then also complain when it's moved to unofficials along with the other apexes.

[limber hull]

the monkey paw curls

[valid zephyr]

What they really wanted to happen was stego gets nerfed so omni can 1v1 it.

[limber hull]

its getting buffed lol

which i find very funny

[barren zephyr]

thye could give deino a death roll where you crab a live creature, spin to win and as a reward get a piece of meat from the target. It would deal regular bite damage, lil bit more bleed and permanently reduce targets HP by a little bit. It would cost deino a significant amount of stamina. It would be fair because if a deino grabs you 90% of the time you die, this way you could get away with a penalty.

[desert arch]

Permanently crippling the target is not a good gameplay mechanic

Even if the prey survives it will be at a permanent disatvantage

[barren zephyr]

4-5% less max hp is not crippling

[desert arch]

still enough to make a difference.
Besides, why would a deino death roll something when it can just grab it?

[barren zephyr]

other option would be locked heslth but then make the % much higher

[barren zephyr]

Maybe just a visual scar plus not permament side effects?

[desert arch]

Also, if its stackable thats even more of a reason not to implement it

[barren zephyr]

Like weakness or something... Or infecting wounds

[desert arch]

that could be good

but deino doesnt need buffs as it is

[barren zephyr]

if you stand still in front of deino, oof, what did you expect

[desert arch]

especially with stego moving to unofficials

[desert arch]

that has nothing to do with what I said?

[barren zephyr]

as I said , lunge is enough to kill most of the time, this is my no means a buff

Yea, dont think we should not touch dieno, its balanced

[desert arch]

being dumb and giving deino an op mechanic is 2 different things

[desert arch]

It being able to cripple things presumably larger than itself is very much a buff

[barren zephyr]

Dude, it would be a worse version of lunge

[desert arch]

That can stack permanent debuffs on the target

[barren zephyr]

Victim can just run away while deino eats the torn off flesh

only one who would have to worry about stacking this effect is stego

[desert arch]

And receive a permanent debuff that will put it at a disatvantage for the rest of its existence

[desert arch]

which deino should not be able to cripple

[barren zephyr]

You are right, let's just kill them as always

they don't deserbe to live

Dieno has long growing, but its a tank that will drown you. And the fact that you are strong and big at 50% makes the growing a lot easier out of first stages...

Dieno will get more peace when stegos will get unnoficial, but noone should touch it, its balanced

[desert arch]

Deino wont have to worry about stego anyways, since its moving to unofficials :p

[desert arch]

Especially since nothing will be able to contest it when stego gets removed from the ecosystem

[barren zephyr]

Yea, other dinos are annoying but at least you wont get spawn killed by stegos

[barren zephyr]

Yup.

[placid oriole]

yup

[barren zephyr]

deino doesn't have to worry about it rn, only cannibals, that's also why stacking max hp penalty would be good change

[desert arch]

No it wouldnt

[barren zephyr]

clueless person, ur already tilting me, that's why I blocked you

I think dienos should get bigger pack, cuz rn in the wild you can meet like 20 aligators/crocodiles

And you will get more protected from canibals in bigger packs.

[desert arch]

Just beacuse I disagree with you?

[desert arch]

Deino megapacks already exist

not that its good for the ecosystem in any way

[barren zephyr]

Lol

[limber hull]

blocked a lot of people if you dont agree deino needs buffs

[desert arch]

Was wondering why I couldnt react to his suggestions anyway

[pale prairie]

you see, if you're ever losing an argument, the best solution is to block your opponent.
works every time.

[barren zephyr]

Dienos are awsome as it is. Giving them buffs might lead to making them too op, and maybe later moving to unnoficials

I dont want to spill a perfectly fine dam

[desert arch]

Honestly, Id rather have deino receive a full kit and move to unofficials as well

[barren zephyr]

Idk, i feel that dienos should stay as big water predators

Only land dinos are boring

[desert arch]

beipi :p

[pale prairie]

all deino needs is a more difficult growth cycle.
have it spawn much smaller and stay relatively small for longer, let beipiaosaurus be an actual threat for the first 45 minutes to an hour, then intoduce baryonx which will be the threat for the following hour or two.

it's the easiest apex grow in isle history and that's because it can avoid most of the roster by hiding in water.

[barren zephyr]

Bro canbals killed me 30 times yestarday bro

[pale prairie]

bro there's three rivers that almost never have players in them bro.

go there and afk grow from the infinite fish spawns.

[desert arch]

I know its doable, Im doing it rn

[valid brook]

not the potato deino!

[desert arch]

Its more of a milka cow skin :p

[barren zephyr]

NOO POTATODIENO

[desert arch]

[barren zephyr]

[desert arch]

nvm I crashed, no potato deino for me then

[barren zephyr]

I want to play not afk at the edge of the map, deino already takes 3 evenings for me to grow if all goes well. Usually die between 20 and 40 % growth, kd players duo in voice swimming up and down every river killing every deino they see. After 6.5 it's not possible to escape them and I lose fight because I a m significantly smaller. How long I survive only depends on how often those groups bother to log in. Solo deino is borderline unplayable.

[pale prairie]

and yet solo deino players reach adulthood in such numbers that they overpopulate the server.

[barren zephyr]

idk where you get this overpopulation stuff from. Are there public stats? I estimate there are less than 10 adult deinos in the server based on how many I see, even less when cannis are online.

[pale prairie]

by playing the servers and watching.
mate, there's usually 10 adult/sub deinos at center/cut alone.

[pale prairie]

i'm trying to find another image i should've saved that had 8 adult deinos and several subs walking onto land at the cut.

[barren zephyr]

I am losing mental not argument. Bro has 0 valid reasons.

[pale prairie]

point being, they're everywhere and in mass numbers.

[valid zephyr]

currently it's not in a great state. It's overpowered for the evrima fodder tier roster, while also having no actual mechanics or abilities making it unfun to play.

But giving it literally anything to make it interesting makes it even harder for the fodder tier stuff to kill, so it's stuck in this spot of playing like it's an AI.

moving it to unofficials with rex and trike is definitely the best option here

[desert arch]

Ah yes, beacuse crippling an animal for life sounds fun. Also you were the one to provide 0 argument why deino needs this mechanic.

[dim arrow]

@midnight elk @minor quest Exactly, apexes need to be balanced. Deino and Stego are among the easiest dinosaurs to grow and be unkillable with. Rex as well as these should be incredibly difficult to grow and maintain, and seeing a full grown Rex should be a WOW moment, like holy cow that guy is really good at the game

[valid zephyr]

Also got to be careful not to make them so insanely hard to maintain that they can't do basic things like nesting.

Like if they've got huge food drain, also give them a big stomach.

that way if a rex brings down a trike, it can 'fill up' and then use that to place down a nest and raise offspring

[drifting fossil]

A solo rex should get wrecked by a raptor pack

[limber hull]

lmao not gonna happen

[barren crater]

I wouldn't say wrecked but

It should be a hunt

[indigo flax]

@short reef Thats the point

Ceras have infectious bite. Infections = Disease. Disease = Weakening. Weakening has couple of symptoms, one of them being nausea

and what are symptoms or nausea? vomiting

[short reef]

yea sickness, vomiting, losing food and water plus getting weakend makes sense. losing your diets however makes absolutely no sense at al.

[indigo flax]

then ask devs to remove being able to reduce diet by puking

because that was already in the game

Puking helps actually

You can reduce unwanted nutrient you got

like S nutrient

this is more over less beneficial to the dino

Because you lose alot of statistic

[barren zephyr]

Would you rather regrow or walk away with 5% less max hp? Actually I don't care because most would rather have 5% less max hp, your opinion doesn't matter to me.

[limber hull]

LMAO what's the point of reducing 5% HP then

It only makes you a nuisance, it doesn't actually help you kill the thing

[barren zephyr]

that's the point, it gives roleplayers a deathroll, lil bit of food and does not affect the power balance at all.

[limber hull]

it's just annoying, it fundamentally serves no purpose besides making life harder for animals for no reason

permanent debuffs don't need to be a thing

[barren zephyr]

like I said, most would choose to lose max hp than spend another 10 morbillion hours afk regrowing in a bush

[limber hull]

so... it's a choice on if you want to kill the thing or just... minorly inconvinience it?

why would you ever want to choose the second option if you can kill it

[barren zephyr]

As I said, it's an additional feature for those who want a real deino experience. I also proposed we could instead make the % locked health but bump up the amount a bit

[limber hull]

But again, it's just a weaker/worse option