general-feedback-discussion

[lapis swallow]

it was a deino

[faint folio]

@maiden anvil I could see that working, but it would need to be a VERY long cool down... Maybe 2 hrs. And it shouldn't be a perk, as those have been described to affect playstyle, not combat

And maybe you can only activate it if your health is below a certain percentage... After all, fight or flight is something that kicks in when your life is in danger. You shouldnt get to just turn it on whenever

[maiden anvil]

Oh I didn’t know perks won’t change combat… my bad. Either way, it’s not a bad idea if it only would be a thing once your life is at stake

Might improve it or I’ll just leave it as it is

[limber hull]

no combat perks, it'll be massively abused

[maiden anvil]

I wish I knew it earlier

[faint folio]

Yeah perks are gonna be more focused on different lifestyles. So maybe a perk would be permitting teno to dive, and giving it a diet of aquatic plants

[maiden anvil]

Good to know

[stone mantle]

that... actually sounds really dope

[unreal inlet]

The bleeds as the Omni are a joke, as is the speed.
As well as most menacing is faster and can kill you very quickly. You have no advantage over others like they have over you.

The damage of 60/70 is okay but very risky due to various advantages such as stun of the Tenos, charge of the Carnos, headbang of the Pachys.

Not even the night vision is better so that you can see at least at night. can hunt better.

So that most people prefer to take a single carno instead of an omni in the group, because in most cases you die anyway.

Of course there are exceptions.

A bonus, the Omnis would probably. make something more menacing whether you're doing faster, more damage, or more bleeding.

*Sorry use Translator

[pulsar lake]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1110287081269362798
I agreed with the suggestion until you said to tighten the turn radius again. The turn radius for ptera is much better now than it was before. It looked absolutely ridiculous when it turned as tightly as it did. It's not exactly built for tight agile flight, either, with its long soaring wings.

[faint folio]

Exactly... That was my big problem with it too. Nothing that flies can turn on a time because of how flight works... Even the current turn radius looks kinda silly with such a large flier, but it is a lot more reasonable than before and there is something to be said about not having the ptera turn like a truck just for convenience

[urban flax]

Yeah
If turn radius had to be increased, I would like it to be increased only when using airbrake
At least it would still make sense

[faint folio]

By increase do you mean tighter turns or wider turns?

[proud coral]

Flight in general is pretty odd. But yeah the turning is better than before. Looked way too weird in the past.

[urban flax]

Tighter turns

[faint folio]

Gotcha, that makes perfect sense

[sly raptor]

I need help on learning the game

[stray onyx]

Omni’s are indeed not that problematic as currently in the game, for a noob player group. But an experienced pack is a force to be reckoned with. As a teno I BARELY survived a pack of 7 omnis and didn’t kill one, just hurt them enough to back off me once a Pachy came to my rescue. Omnis solo should suck and only be able to take on small prey or prey their size as they are meant to be pack hunters, but they are big and should do more damage/bleed than they are currently. If you watch the animation they dig their claws deep into their prey, reaching into the lungs and digestive tract of most dinosaurs they pounce on.

[broken thorn]

@maiden anvil Titanoboa concept looks great. I doubt the animal will make it into the game as it will be exceptionally difficult to animate, balance and so on. But as a concept it's neat.

[maiden anvil]

Thank you!

[unreal forge]

i dont think titaniboa would be hard to animate at all tbh, hut balance yeah

in reality snakes are very fragile predators. i own some and work w wild ones so frequently. most eat tiny helpless rodents or reptiles, something the isle is not full of. itd essentially be like playing a carnivorous hypsi or something. theres nothing realistically a snake can do when faced w a predator but flee. it would fail at combat and be ambush only

i want a titatoboa SO bad in game as im a huuuuge snake enthusiast but i cant see a realistic gameplay angle that wouldn't be hell for the player </3

[low vapor]

To be fair, the dinosaurs in this game are genetically designed according to lore so it could be possible that they decided to make titanoboa a tough creature

Or who knows, maybe it works better for it to have a similar playstyle to deino. It's typically safe, agile, and fast in water than on land. But unique so it's not just a worse version of deino.

But yeah, titanoboa is a bit tough to try fit into the game

[rare fractal]

I genuinely can’t imagine a version of Titan that isn’t essentially the worst parts of deino and the worst parts of current teno put together

Self defense sounds like a genuine nightmare against even the smallest threats

And it’s hunting mechanism is even more necessarily onesided and random than deino’s is

[uneven mist]

Snek balance hord

https://tenor.com/view/sad-snake-gif-24475985

[proud coral]

I want Laophis instead ;C

[rare fractal]

Laophis has much of the same problems only slightly better

[proud coral]

At least it isn't a constrictor ;P

[uneven mist]

Snek with…

[rare fractal]

True but it's self defense would be hilarious to witness

[proud coral]

I just think Laophis would be a lot better than Boa even if both are bad by their nature of being s n e k

[uneven mist]

VENOM

[rare fractal]

Well true, but we're comparing a forest fire to a flaming orphanage and trying to determine which one is technically better

[low vapor]

Damnit snakes are epic and always been my first favorite animal

[uneven mist]

Technically forest fire

[proud coral]

[rare fractal]

That's how I feel about crocodilians....then we got deino

And not a bone in my body appreciates the fact that deino is in the game

[low vapor]

crocodilians are very cool too. but snakes are always top teir for me

[uneven mist]

I like deino I just don’t like the balance of deino

[low vapor]

im assuming its because of the playstyle but i dunno

[rare fractal]

I like the idea of deino....I borderline think it's impossible to implement genuinely tho

[proud coral]

I think there's definitely potential for Deino to be miles better. It's just a myriad of things that's clunky to put together ;o;

[rare fractal]

Deino is probably the most toxic by design playables the game has ever had....like I'd put it on the same tier as legacy utah...only slightly worse

[uneven mist]

Yeah…tho I HOPE with dibbles spar it lays a foundation for a “better” lunge but i kinda doubt it tbh

[proud coral]

MMMHMMM

[low vapor]

design playables?

[rare fractal]

It wouldn't fix any issues for it, that just opens the door for deino to lunge larger animals while having the same relationship with the ones it already does

[rare fractal]

"toxic by design", playables

[uneven mist]

Oh no I still wouldn’t want it to lunge bigger animals, I hate that deinos matchup is hella black and white nothing interesting

[low vapor]

but what do you mean by toxic? the physical appearance of the deino? im a bit confused lmao i apologize

[rare fractal]

Same that'd be terrible for it....which is why I sorta hope it doesn't get any sparring esq mechanics...I'm not sure how a deino would be able to struggle to catch an animal it can literally pick up and carry away

[rare fractal]

in the way that it engages with the entire roster, mechanically it's one of the most contradictory animals I've ever seen made

It's insanely easy to grow and survive as, has the most power of all playables in the game by far, and this isn't at all effected by larger playables being added

[proud coral]

• Varying water clarity ✅
• Water debris
• Land lunge replaced with charged bite
• Basking (not sure what it'd do exactly) ✅
• Camera water lock
• Dynamic watersense (based on amount of movement instead of any movement)
• Peeking water surface idle
• Slower attack rates
• MUCH more sensitive wave creation
• More costly lunge

These are some things I'd like to try that I believe would help in some areas <:3

[rare fractal]

Basically yes

[proud coral]

The checks being things that are confirmed

[rare fractal]

Just yes

[proud coral]

[uneven mist]

[rare fractal]

Like we all KNOW what would drastically improve deino we've been talking about it for 2 years now.....I just hope more than one of these things actually gets implemented

[uneven mist]

Water clarity we do kinda know with gateway, just hope for the rest

[rare fractal]

Kinda

[uneven mist]

Especially it’s land charge bite

[rare fractal]

Sorta.....like gateway's water clarity hasn't convinced me of much it's just a step in the right direction

[uneven mist]

[stone mantle]

basking will probably be another need for cold-blooded animals alongside the usual hunge, thirst etc

[proud coral]

Charged bite just sounds so good because not only is Deino being 100% defense on land good, but it's even fitting since I'm fairly sure gators will do that kinda stuff in real life. Opening their mouths and hissing at stuff that gets too close.

[rare fractal]

Like being able to see 5 inches below the water's surface instead of 2 isn't what I'd call the water clarity that is necessary

[stone mantle]

go too long without basking and you'll become more sluggish or something

[uneven mist]

Exactly and it shouldn’t be able to walk forward just backwards

[proud coral]

[uneven mist]

When I first saw this fan art I was excited for deino and spinos matchup but…we know how that will end

[rare fractal]

YEEEEEES

Make it loud and useless aggressively

[proud coral]

Genuinely hope they don't make Deino even more black and white by making it auto lose to Spino. I'm doubtful of that though.

[rare fractal]

It's a powerful "get away from me" button

[uneven mist]

Should loose on land and in shallow water but in deep water it should be even

[proud coral]

Like I have not seen one legitimate argument as to why a Deino could not just hold space above a Spino in the depths and just bite the sail

[low vapor]

ah yep, agreed. maybe we could make the water more clear like in gateway (not completely transparant of course). if the deino is deep and far enough from the surface, you shouldnt be able to see it. however, if it were to try attack a dino from water, as it goes up you should eventually see it far enough as it quickly rushes towards you that you have a very brief but fair amount of time to actually react and run away, thus meaning the deino needs to be precise and stealthy to catch you.

[proud coral]

👍

[uneven mist]

Exactly, a f around and find out ability

[rare fractal]

That's ideal, it needs a few other things as well but the baseline improvement is that deino needs to be survivable when encountered

[rare fractal]

👏

[proud coral]

Deino on land being a really, really obvious ultra-bear trap is gooooood

[low vapor]

it can be, it just needs to actually try put brainpower when it comes to catching things rather than just simply waiting and striking

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-bear-trap-gif-25679889

[proud coral]

Like seriously, make land Deino the primary example of why it's a survival game

[uneven mist]

For example, more waves too, so it has to sneak up and don’t mess up instead of just fast swimming towards your prey and it can’t see you

[rare fractal]

Yeah it's basically just a homing beartrap that attacks you faster than you can move currently

[low vapor]

maybe, for smaller dinos who are basically game over, the deino needs to be more accurate in the direction they're striking or else they miss the target. for bigger dinos, it should prolly be more like a tug of war. unsure how this tug of war should play out, but it should require skill to some extent

[rare fractal]

well....agreed, but that only increases the difficulty of landing the lunge for the dieno, it doesn't add any agency to the animal being lunged, which is the primary issue

[uneven mist]

I also really hate the water animation lock, even if you see the deino it can still lunge you because the animation wasn’t finished

[low vapor]

yeah but i feel like that could probably be abused too often

[rare fractal]

How could it be abused?

[low vapor]

people could just simply use the method of being careful and slowly making their way towards their target and just kill them without giving the target a chance to react. its like now where you have to hope there's no deino in the water otherwise you're screwed. it turns it into more into a luck-induced thing rather than skill

[stone mantle]

yeah idk why disengaging from the eating/drinking animation takes so god damn long

especially with the camera lock

[low vapor]

thats a thing? damn. i think they'll fix it if the issue is noticed by the devs

[rare fractal]

True but if combined with water clarity they'd be sneaking in a distance that is easy visible

Which means both quick approaches and slow ones will have detection methods

[low vapor]

but then the deino is visible and so the target just sees them and runs away. or am i understanding wrong

[rare fractal]

Well...yes

That's ideal

[low vapor]

but then the deino cant catch anything if the target is able to see them already

[rare fractal]

Good

[uneven mist]

That’s where water foliage comes into play

[low vapor]

no

[rare fractal]

The matchup should universally favor the prey anyway

[uneven mist]

Imo deinos hunting success rate should be pretty low

[low vapor]

thats not good bro the deino needs a chance. but not like now where its a matter of luck. rather skill instead

[rare fractal]

It has a chance

[low vapor]

it doesnt have a chance if the target can see them already. they'll see them before they even decide to drink and just run away

[rare fractal]

I think we really need to put into perspective what's being lost or gained in these interactions...the deino loses the chance at one meal if it fails, a meal it can get from more readily available places...and a meal it has many many chances to gain because of it's long starvation timer......

If the prey species "fails" then all of their progress in the game is deleted....

This should in no way be a skill based matchup in the spirit of the term...it should be heavily skill expressive but it should require FAR less skill from the prey species to survive deino than it should for deino to catch them

[low vapor]

i know but making them completely visible wont work since everybody would just not approach the water source

[rare fractal]

Well yeah if the deino sucks at hiding

[low vapor]

im not sure if i understand though

[rare fractal]

Also they HAVE to approach a water source eventually to drink regardless

[low vapor]

are you implying that it needs to hide in underwater foliage perhaps? or be able to cover itself in the depths where it's not visible until it gets closer to the surface?

[uneven mist]

Logs and foliage

[low vapor]

i know, but not all water sources will have a deino. some will be empty of course

[rare fractal]

Yes

[low vapor]

since we have something called hotspots. sadly

[rare fractal]

Good, deino should be everywhere if anything it should be a rare sight

[rare fractal]

(hotspots are not only good but necessary for the game, the problem isn't that they exist it's that we don't have enough of them)

[low vapor]

ahh i see what you mean

at least i hope so lmao

[uneven mist]

• migrations will change hotspots

But for that we need gateway

[low vapor]

if implemented correctly, yes. that'll make me happy too lmao

[icy lion]

@warped fog Hotfixes cannot release currently because the game is migrating to Unreal Engine 5. Hotfixes have been released in the past and the team has shown interest in making hotfixes more frequently once the migration is finished

[uneven mist]

Gateway my beloved

[low vapor]

gateway looks gorgeous. i especially favor the more arid-looking part of it. not sure what it's called though someone told me before

[uneven mist]

Highlands

[low vapor]

ah ty m8

i hope they even add a desert or boreal map at some point too

[uneven mist]

Dondi did say he wanted that

[low vapor]

desert or boreal? or both?

[uneven mist]

Desert but a boreal could work too

[low vapor]

ayyy nice. id be happen even with just desert. though i would have a boreal map alongside that given the choice. but just having only one of those would satisfy me anyway

i feel like dinosaurs in the snow would be very interesting. needing to find shelter during snowstorms, possibly expeirencing avalanches, deep snow making your dino slower depending on how big you are, nothern lights, feathered dinos changing length (and possibly color) of feathers depending on the season, etc

[stone mantle]

Hopefully Gateway won't have a bunch of empty space like Spiro does. Spiro probably feels so small because most dinos can get everything they need in a small area, and large parts of the map (especially around the edges) have no food and/or water so going there is not only pointless, but possibly detrimental as well

[ionic knot]

Anyone know if there's a better place than here to make complaints about hacking?

[stone mantle]

#evrima-na #evrima-eu #evrima-au #evrima-sa depending on which servers you play on

guidelines for reporting hackers are in the pinned messages

[ionic knot]

Ah amazing! Thank you ❤️

[frozen heron]

@warped fog @summer thistle In order for them to hotfix at all right now, they'd have to go back to UE4. They have already finished the transition to UE5, so doing any patches wouldn't make sense as it wouldnt be compatible with the current evrima build compared to what they have internally. In the end it would take up more of their time

Visual representation by Docktor

[summer thistle]

I ment after update 6.5

[barren zephyr]

@sharp stratus there was no reason to add 'you guys dont know what an update is' i find that quite rude
Also, they already said why this update is taking so long and why modding isnt being added yet

[frozen heron]

You didnt exactly specify friend. But i do hope they start doing so after this update releases.

[summer thistle]

I mean update 6.5 is pretty close to done, even if ue5 wasn’t like that I wouldn’t expect them before update 6.5

[stray onyx]

I’m hoping migration in Gateway will feel necessary for comfortable survival but not too comfortable as during the migrations predators should be able to predict generally where a prey item will be. Much like on nature documentary at certain places. For example, Tenos cross plains of tall grass, through a forest to a flat spot that has their diet and then during the next migration through the forest again a different direction and to a wide river where they can ether cross immediately but risk deinos or go to an easier crossing but it takes several times longer to get to that spot and by result makes the end of the migration a shorter lived spot that may not support them as well as if they got there on time. Additionally creatures with similar diets should at some point join the same migration path to a location to split off after the resting phase is over. Creatures with diets that differ should go though the different challenges at different times so each predator has a consistent chance to catch each migrating dinosaur to not starve but will also have to make its own journey to make it on time, set up its spot and wait for the opportunity. Which could also come with competition of predators.

I have zero clue of anything said already about migrations so I’m purely saying this out of my own desire for a system that to some degree has a lot of dynamics and angles to look at it from.

[faint folio]

@pine dock I don't think that poisonous gas is a good idea because most poisonous gas that occurs naturally (geothermal vents, limnic eruptions) are completely odorless and clear, which means players have no clue that they are in danger. That is not fair to the players. As opposed to eg wildfires which have smoke and flame and noise to warn players

[pine dock]

Completely right
but how about just make it visible or at least take a number of damage depending on how close you are to the ground there so you’d realize that your in danger?
I’m really getting this idea from Dino documentaries I have watched so the close to the ground thing may not work but a slow and steady a amount of damage should or just a sickness rebuff if in their for to long
I do think the original post was vauge.

[faint folio]

I guess i don't see much point... most players would just avoid all areas with vents

[pine dock]

Why not put ai dead bodies there to attract desperate players?

[stone mantle]

dunno what natural disasters/weather was confirmed by the dev, but i think there's quite a few already and each of them will probably involve a ton of work to implement

[limber hull]

@quasi slate optimisation is a big part of U6.5, it's one of the reasons U6.5 will be swapping engines to Unreal Engine 5

[quasi slate]

This game been out for so long, and still....

[limber hull]

okay

[quasi slate]

oKaY

[limber hull]

idk what you want me to say except that lol

you're getting optimisation

that's a thing that's happening

[barren zephyr]

How long do you think they've been developing this for?

[polar tiger]

They say they add optimizations every update, but honestly each update runs worse and worse for me and the bugs count that come with release doesn’t lessen so :/

[stray onyx]

@delicate goblet I don’t believe the horror aspect will be added until humans enter the game. For now the game is a survival simulator. The old night vision was HELL to use because it was straight up useless. Everything looked the same. The new night vision is good but too bright, it be nice if everything was unsaturated than a bioluminescence glow or a void if you were anything but the plant color

[delicate goblet]

I see ur point, I didn’t play the original Isle until recently this year so it was in my opinion much scarier to see glowing eyes all of a sudden rather than what we have in Evirma, but I do agree with you!

[stone mantle]

being a juvi or a small dino is scary as hell

[delicate goblet]

@autumn carbon

Adding onto this idea, like @potent flower said, It would be very cool for the added bonuses for being born from an egg to perhaps be something such as

Mutations
——
Piebald, Albino (Uniquely designed and distinctive from already made albino skins) Melanistic, Or even a rare pattern or vibrant color that doesn’t exist in the skin creation until you have obtained it naturally through being born into a nest.
This would add to the unique features of each Dinosaur born into a nest and even encourage the player to stay alive even more than before.
——
Strength buffs or maybe even weaknesses inherited from the gene pool.
Maybe even added Growth speed?

Maybe even deformities? Maybe if the eggs are raised in wrong temperatures etc, or perhaps if fed a bad diet as hatchlings they’ll have malnutrition and it’s noticeable on the character? Idk I’m just thinking of stuff to make the game more immersive

[stone mantle]

i'm fine with stuff like this being added, but a lot of suggestions related to nesting only benefit people being nested in, not those doing the nesting. i have the impression there is already a lot more demand for eggs than supply, probably because nesting can be very unrewarding even if you're interested in it imo.

[delicate goblet]

Yeah I get that, I guess it’s sorta one sided 😂

[stone mantle]

hopefully nesting will be more enjoyable on average than it is now at some point, but there are definitely a lot of factors at play here

i'm kinda excited for oviraptor but if there are still very few nests being made by the time it releases, playing it is going to suck considering its main gimmick is eating eggs

[icy lion]

@untold wharf Carno's hitbox is getting reduced next update

[untold wharf]

Praise every lord and god of every religion from the past million years. Do you think an eclipse will also drop on patch day? It’s like a phenomenon they’re fixing it! @icy lion

[icy lion]

It's really not that deep tbh

[untold wharf]

It may not be that deep, but deep enough to hurt my little heart. So happy for the lovely turn around! Hope it comes soon this year.

[icy lion]

I'd be surprised if it didn't; It's in stress testing right now and apparently it's going pretty well!

[stone mantle]

does the stress test cover every aspect of a major update (new dinos, balancing, bugs, etc) or just the new content and/or big sweeping changes

[stray onyx]

I do miss the glowing eyes a lot. It was scary as heck to see a pair or a pack of eyes staring into your soul from out of the darkness

[icy lion]

Testers can give feedback on anything and everything they want, and they help us find bugs

[stray onyx]

So for stress testers, is there a place to apply to become a stress tester and file an application form or is it like an event where stress testers are called upon to sign up

[stone mantle]

wouldn't that lead to stuff being overlooked? especially with the addition of shiny new dinos haha

[icy lion]

Currently apps are closed, but the last time they opened the form was linked in #announcements

[icy lion]

Surprisingly no, they're usually pretty thorough!

[stray onyx]

I appreciate that, I hope next time I can sign up

[stone mantle]

even stuff related to dinos few people play like hypsi and dryo?

[stone mantle]

do the devs look for anything in particular when choosing stress testers or is it random?

[barren zephyr]

How long do you think it takes to develop a game like this?

[tall hearth]

Some AAA studios can take around 10 years to fully develop a game, so if it takes up to that long

Best 20 bucks I've spent on an EA small studio game

[oblique bobcat]

@slim canopy I think those would be cool only if there were fully aquatic fish or creatures you could play in the waters

[slim canopy]

I agree, as a deino it gets kind of boring underwater sometimes

[oblique bobcat]

@barren zephyr I don't want the game price to be any higher it's not a game worth more than 20$

[barren zephyr]

maybe it will be worth more in the future

[stray onyx]

At its current state of beta, unlikely, once completed however, then it’s more considerable because the game is officially “done” but updates could still come in

[upper socket]

Titanoboa suggestion will exist in my mind forever now, I want that so bad

[lyric vault]

Certain positive or negative Mutations would make sense, and yeah so could skin mutations but I feel like that's gonna be really damaging to a player to be straight white or straight black. It definitely is gonna mess with their camouflage ability and their ability to hide/hunt while they are young/sub.

Definitely like the idea of rewarding players for going the extra mile and spawning as a hatchling rather than a fresh spawn.

@royal current

That isn't a glitch, it's called punishing you for using a disabling move against something outside of your weight class. It normally happens if you hit something 2-3x your size with headbutt. It happens to Carno because Carno can knock dinosaurs completely over with headbutt and get free bites, and it happens to Pachy because pachy has bone break. It's supposed to be that way because you can avoid them, otherwise you need to play it very careful and strategize to kill something that large and powerful.

[lapis swallow]

@unique mirage do you know how often you run into logs while travelling? You would spend so much time healing your leg

[ivory sandal]

Ah yes, a most fair and balanced situation

getting punished for pressing left shift in a biome including trees

[unique mirage]

yes i know thats why a slower playstyle would be beneficial in forests yk to make for different strats in different biomes

[lapis swallow]

so being forced to walk is a playstyle now?

[unique mirage]

you can still sprint if you look ahead

*or know where the logs are cuz you cant see anything anyways

you could also choose to just not go into forests as a fast running carnivore and stick to the plains

making forests a safe haven for small herbs

[ivory sandal]

Forests are already a safe haven for most of the more agile playables as the current largest speedster, Carnotaurus, has a pretty rough time maneuvering around forests

[unique mirage]

the go to strat i see is still to aim roughly in the direction the prey might go and charge into it, stopping after hitting a tree or log and repeating in another direction. granted this might not be succesfull 80% of the time but doesnt change the fact that every carni just rushes through forests and having tripable logs would force them to go either around the forest or slow down going through it

[ivory sandal]

A balance issue with Carnotaurus shouldn't be solved with a universal "screw you" to traveling in forests

A balance issue with Carnotaurus should be solved by balancing Carnotaurus, which to my knowledge is what will happen when U6.5 hits the live branch

[unique mirage]

i mean every carni tho, cuz they are all faster than their prey making forests a possibility to outplay them

dont put the logs everywhere obviously

[ivory sandal]

Yeah, but generally their main prey is significantly stronger in an actual fight. Pachycephalosaurus absolutely bodies Omniraptor in a straight head to head. Dryosaurus doesn't because... Dryosaurus simply isn't viable no matter what

Also are you not trying to make this universal, rather a carnivore only mechanic?

[unique mirage]

no every dino but since most herbis right know have a jump mechanic and only carno could really "trip" rn i thought mostly about it specifically

pachy bodies everything rn tbh

[limber hull]

true lol

[ivory sandal]

Yes, yes it does, as such it doesn't need a forest combat crutch to help it out

[unique mirage]

yeah but there will be other dinos in the roster

thats why i said in the future

[ivory sandal]

The only animals a mechanic like that would really help out would be like, Dryosaurus and Hypsilophodon, and they wouldn't need it if Hypsiolophodon had a climb and Dryosaurus' dodge didn't take chunks out of its stam like a Mosasaurus smashes chunks out of an elasmosaur

[unique mirage]

maybe creating an ecosystem of small dinos in forests and larger or fg ones in the plains

cuz right know the game consists of small dinos or herbis in general sitting on rocks to be safe

with forests they could have a bigger area

[ivory sandal]

Once again, the smaller playables would be viable if Carnotaurus' charge wasn't a black hole, thus forests would become a good area for smalls

[unique mirage]

well it can still run after them and spam bite

[ivory sandal]

Furthermore, if leg fracture logs were added for large playables, wouldn't the large playables who rely on stealth to make kills or hide, like Tyrannosaurus or Magyarosaurus, get really screwed over if logs made them trip when they tried to escape/make kills?

[unique mirage]

but not just smaller playables also every dino in their juvie state

[unique mirage]

yes

[ivory sandal]

Wow guys a playable reliant on the left click button fights with the left click button

[ivory sandal]

that is not a good thing

A playable reliant on stealth and advantageous positioning getting screwed over when trying to use stealth or advantageous positioning is NOT a good thing

[unique mirage]

yeah and fe a small teno could jump over a rock and maybe bait them into breaking a leg, or just falling if bonebreak had a 50% chance

[urban flax]

Getting a leg fracture after tripping on a log is way too harsh of a punishment

[unique mirage]

walk around the logs?

yeah or delete the bonebreak but the tripping itself is not unbalanced

[urban flax]

Falling down to the ground and taking a few seconds to get up is already plenty enough to mess a hunt
Or to die if you're trying to run away

[ivory sandal]

That can already happen without the carno tumbling over and finding its spleen in its cranium though. Just jump over a log that's small enough for the teno to jump over, but large enough to full stop the carno

[unique mirage]

why not add it then if it takes the same time

i mean if you walk around or faceplant and stand up behind it

last option would make the gameplay so much more immersive

you cant tell me a carno hitting a log with its feet at 65kph doesnt trip

[ivory sandal]

Because an animal shouldn't be punished for pressing left shift? Imagine being a tenontosaurus getting chased by a cerato, you look behind you for a split second to keep tabs on your pursuers, and then you get slammed to the floor by a log and just die because you couldn't do anything?

[unique mirage]

this is exactly what i want tho

like why look behind

[ivory sandal]

It doesn't trip because it wouldn't be fun, fair or balanced

[unique mirage]

this happens in real life aswell

[ivory sandal]

To keep tabs on your pursuers???

[unique mirage]

yeah and if you wouldve kept tabs on your environment you wouldnt have tripped

like i dont see the problem

[ivory sandal]

I simply can't see how you don't see an issue with dying because you had to keep tabs of 2 different factors, but decided to keep track of one for an actual second

[unique mirage]

like my dog chased a deer and it hit a tree face first cuz it turned around

survival isnt fair

make a mistake and you die

and if you trip in that scenario chances are the cera will trip aswell

[ivory sandal]

Looking behind you to make sure you can evade a rampaging Tyrannosaurus isnt a mistake, its something most playables are required to do

[ivory sandal]

The Ceratosaurus just saw you trip, why would it run past you?

[unique mirage]

i didnt say you shouldnt look behind, just do it smart

its not like there are logs everywhere in the forest

[ivory sandal]

What in the actual hell is the difference between "looking behind you" and "looking behind you but intelligently"?

[ivory sandal]

Clearly

[unique mirage]

looking behind you for a sec to check if the cera is there is something else than looking there for 5 mins and then tripping cuz you didnt look ahead

if you trip in that one sec u look, well thats just damn unlucky

like you could do so much with this. bait your hunters into logs. bait your prey into logs

[ivory sandal]

Or lose 5 hours of progress because you decided to walk into a forest as a stegosaurus

[unique mirage]

you wanna tell me the stego would run away anyways?

[ivory sandal]

Assuming these logs would be colored like the other trees of this game, they'd be nearly invisible due to moss growth, thus would lead to unfair punishments

[unique mirage]

if anything the forest would help maybe making a carni trip

[unique mirage]

i mean you can clearly see the logs that are ingame rn

[ivory sandal]

From a Tyrannosaurus? Hell yeah it would, what is it gonna do with its 2x damage to head multiplier? Sit there and fight it?

[unique mirage]

yeah and the forest would help like i said

[ivory sandal]

Cool then herbivores are unable to be harmed because their predators, who rely 9n being faster than them, cant be effectively because they got tripped by a log

[unique mirage]

its a skill issue if you trip yourself or bait him into tripping

[unique mirage]

walk around it

you act like theres a wall of logs around the forest edges

there isnt

[ivory sandal]

Herbi can predict that and then adjust accordingly making it unable to be harmed

[unique mirage]

so like the logs rn?

[ivory sandal]

clearly

[ivory sandal]

Difference between getting put in harm's way and getting leg fracted because of left shift and getting full stopped before turned into a chalk outline

[unique mirage]

i already said scratch the leg break

and yes if you run full speed into the log you deserve to die

if the steg decides to hit the rex instead of running in that scenario

just like everybody avoids to run downhill in this game

[ivory sandal]

LOL? So if I run full speed, because I'm trying to aid a group member getting mauled by 2 carnos as a teno, I deserve to get killed too? What kind of logic is that? It's a videogame, not real life. It isnt immersive gameplay to get turned to paste because you decided to run, decided to use a basic movement option, that's frustrating gameplay. It's a very simply concept of videogames as a whole

By same logic add pneumonia because a carno swam for a little while, and have it die afterwards

By same logic, give every carnivore infection in its bite if it ate rotten meat recently, which auto kills anything infected because "itsch realshitic"

The very concept of extreme realism is flawed

[unique mirage]

and a very simple concept is that a bit of a challenge never hurt anybody. its not like the logs are actively following you to trip you

[ivory sandal]

There can be some or multiple realistic aspects to a game, yes, but its a game

[unique mirage]

after a bit you know where they are

[ivory sandal]

I'm done with this argument lmao, I forfeit, take your logs and go

[unique mirage]

and you wanna tell me the ravine is better? id rather take logs

aight cya

[slow blaze]

me when the intelligent 10.4 ton Tyrannosaurus rex trips on a small log

[delicate goblet]

Lmfao

Dino Adam why are you so upset at the idea? It’s not like the devs said “hell yeah log tripping time” chill my man 💀

[north quiver]

@tiny ridge I’ve always felt like that needed to be in the game, but I feel like the % for when an individual will be kicked out should vary from species to species. something like a teno imo should be kicked out around 80% (adulthood) and stegos should be kicked out at around 35% (or a little more) like you said because they’re quite a powerful playable at young ages. the same goes for deinos because they’re also very powerful

[tiny ridge]

The aim of this proposal is to make it easier for parents to raise their children. I understand that you would like individuals to be kicked out when they are powerful. I don't think that fits very well with the idea of this proposal. Each species is different. One is weak but grows fast, and the other is strong but grows slowly. It's strange to be treated in such a way that every dinosaur is kicked out of the herd when there is excess when it is STRONG. Of course, it's a good idea to throw the dinosaur away when it's on its own. Only one can understand independence as both "strong for other dinosaurs" and "strong for its kind". I say to look at the game as normal nature and not as a game to make each character somehow balanced. I mean, of course, I'm not talking about the raptor killing the stegosaurus :D. My point is more that if you play a pterosaur, for example, you may not be able to handle many dinosaurs, in fact almost none XD, but you just occupy your niche in nature, eat carrion and small dinosaurs and grow fast. This is Role Play more than champ selection. Of course, I would understand slight fluctuations among species that one has, for example, 30% and drops, and another 50% and leaves. Because some species stayed with the family longer than others 🙂

[stone mantle]

the relationship between growth and weight is really weird atm, which might at least partially explain why some juvi/sub dinos seem OP when they shouldn't

like a stego that looks about as big as a fg teno might be twice as heavy which doesn't make any sense

[north quiver]

lil steg is about as dense as a whole neutron star

[stone mantle]

it is really weird people that get nested in get kicked out of the group when they're still a baby

[stray onyx]

@gloomy flame “This is me. I think it’s time I rethink my life a little bit. What’s my problem? First of all... I’m a rat.” - Remy

Anyways, no. Unfortunately that doesn’t work out. Carnos are built for bullying prey smaller or equal size to themselves. Their bite force however, is not great enough to do significant enough damage to a stego to kill it. In fact, as a 50% stego, you can nullify a Carno charge and take very little damage and the stego kills the Carno in a few amount of hits. Even if it was a pack, I don’t think it be worth the fight since the stego kills one and already a diet of the Carno is on the ground, itself. This only works for attacking small stegos, which the diets are designed to be based around adult species. At least from what I’ve gathered. The reason Omni can take stego as a diet when it’s in a pack and they have some level of plan. Bleeding a stego out is the most viable option and it’s much better than a Carno trying to out maneuver and damage a tank such as stego.

[teal schooner]

@delicate goblet I was just thinking about how cool it would be if Kapro was added, idk why people voted against it lol

[delicate goblet]

My exact thoughts, probs a bunch of pissy herb players who don’t want the competition 😂

[teal schooner]

lol

kapro is like

the perfect dino

🤌

[delicate goblet]

I’ve loved Kapro since I was a kid, it’s fckin awesome

[teal schooner]

ikr same

i think i used to have a kapro toy as well

[delicate goblet]

They’re honestly so cool, I would love to see it in game.

[teal schooner]

mhm

[urban flax]

Ah yes Kapro
The dog-sized croc with 300 biteforce

[north quiver]

don’t we already have like 50+ playables coming already? pretty sure we won’t be needing anymore lol

[stone mantle]

if the size chart actually has all of the confirmed dinos, then yes, although i'm not sure if all of them will be playable

[quasi slate]

That's about right. The game's been out for long enough, i guess they need better devs lol 🤷🏻‍♀️

[tall hearth]

They'll all be playable, just not on official servers. Officials will have set rosters, for an "official experience"

Unofficials will likely have servers that have all playables enabled

[stone mantle]

including compy and pterodactylus?

or brachiosaurus at the opposite end of the size spectrum?

[polar tiger]

Wait I lied, sorry Idk what I was thinking lol. The game’s been in development for over 8 years

[molten lance]

Does anyone know when the evrima update will come?

[polar tiger]

No we don’t sorry, they don’t give ETAs

[stone mantle]

now i'm wondering, does anyone know how weight in relation to growth works? is it linear all the way through (Xkg/Y%), or does it vary throughout?

[mint forge]

I agree with you on every point but what I mean is that Omni doesn't need to get temporary buffs, it needs permanent buffs, both for stamina, radius, movement speed, like, if it's squishy at least make it agile cuz almost every single playable can destroy it on daily basis

[faint folio]

I love kapro (land croc is such a cool idea) but I think the biggest problem with it is balance and also making it occupy a unique niche that isn't already taken and done better by other playables...

A dino that is powerful in packs, doesn't need to worry about water, and is moderately fast on land. Something that specializes in smalls-- baby tenos, baby carnos, and maybe solo an adult Utah. About the same size as a Utah, with the ability to be more powerful in a group. Sound familiar? It's basically a utahraptor

[teal schooner]

mhm

[tall hearth]

I'm not sure about those two, but brachi and them might be "playable" in the sense that players can play as them, but they arent as fully fleshed out as the others since they wouldn't be full kitted out like other playables. Who knows what'll happen, we'll just worry about it when we get there.

Besides, when devs add mod support I expect those to be worked on by modders so they are more fleshed out than what the devs wanna do with them, whatever that maybe in the endgame of development

[stone mantle]

right. even the second smallest sauropod (after Magy) in the size chart, Diplodocus, is several times heavier than deino, which is the heaviest playable in the current roster, so if it (and other sauropods) is indeed going to be a playable at some point, i wonder how it's going to be implemented in terms of growth time, diet, nesting, etc 🤔

[rain hollow]

@coral basalt AI feedback this is. i gotta stop wondering why AI feedback is so dead. It is because people think general feedback is for it lol

[lyric vault]

A good Deino player and a thirsty Stego can lead to a dead Stego if the Deino plays it Right.

[lyric vault]

I would assume that Sauropods are going to be very rare or they are going to be AI. The whole strategy of them was lay a lot of eggs in a batch, lose some offspring, and normally a few would make it into adulthood. Of course they may have had methods of hiding until they became too big to hide, but by that point in time they'd be big enough to defend themselves against medium carnivores.

[slow blaze]

you dont even need to be 50% to kill a carno a 32% stego will 5 shot a carno

[shell jasper]

@amber sail Servers restart at the same time everyday atm, you can check the pins in the server channels for the time it happens #evrima-na
but agreed that would be a nice QoL improvement to the servers.

[amber sail]

right but when you're into the game you dont think of watching the time. This is the only game I have seen that does not give a warning for a server restart.

[shell jasper]

Will have to see if they will add that as the game develops. (atm I just set a reminder for myself )

[amber sail]

thanks

[nimble nebula]

@shadow ravine legacy nesting was used because it was simple and didn’t need a lot of effort the reason why evrima is bad is because there isn’t any benefit to making a nest and I think the idea is nested dinosaurs will have some sort of strength when it comes to humans being released but I do agree evrima nesting isn’t good

[north quiver]

@oblique creek love your idea except for the skill part. imo, the only slight edge nested babies should be getting is a little faster growth. I’m more-so worried about these “skills” affecting combat since they’d give a “slight edge.” if the skills won’t affect combat or create a new meta, then it’d be fine. otherwise, absolutely love the idea of new skin patterns that can only be achieved by nesting

[supple sapphire]

I believe is better for the devs to bring the new map and U5 and right after that the 4 new dinos.. i would like to hear your guys opinion?????

[stone mantle]

and what would the parents get in return? like i've mentioned not long ago, there's already quite a bit of demand for eggs, but not enough nesters fulfilling those demands

[limber hull]

UE5 HAS to be in U6.5, the entirety of U6.5 has been developed in UE5

The new map will be in U7

[stone mantle]

and even for people like me who usually enjoy nesting, it's such a hassle to do for most dinos atm, especially when everything can go wrong even before the eggs have finished incubating

[whole furnace]

Parents should get slowed food/water drain when nesting. It sucks especially as a slow steg when your babies all hatch but you’re at half food. I can only imagine what carno nesting is like, or deino!

[stone mantle]

teno is also a pain in the unmentionables to nest as because of how fast their diet decays, and going from south to southeast for radish and mountain ash is a long and perilous journey

if you fill up on radish and start nesting as soon as you reach SE, it will be almost completely gone by the time eggs are finished incubating

[north quiver]

nothing. nesting should just be made less of an annoying hassle. when that’s done, there will be a lot more people nesting. I might be fine with the parents getting a new skin pattern if x amount of their babies make it to 100% growth, but that’s about it

[supple sapphire]

Hahhah the new map will be in U7 😂 good one bro

[limber hull]

????

that's literally the dev's words

idk what else to say here lol

[stone mantle]

yeah. there are a lot of factors that contribute to making nesting unfun and unrewarding

[north quiver]

definitely. there were a lot more people nesting when diets could stack past 100% and when there weren’t annoying little compys

[limber hull]

there ya go

[urban flax]

"But you shouldn't trust whatever the devs say"

[polar tiger]

Yes because the devs themselves said everything is subject to change, even if they confirmed something in discord, or dev blog, or roadmap. There have been many times when a dev confirmed something in discord and then it didn’t happen. Same with something being confirmed in a dev blog (migrations and gateway coming to update 6)

[polar tiger]

So ppl should take this with a grain of salt

Anything can happen especially since they’re using ue5 now

[supple sapphire]

I will like to know your predictions for 6.5 release . 😀

[digital sparrow]

Why would they ever stream themselves programming the game? That's basically giving away the biggest secret to game development...EVER!

[urban flax]

And it'd also be extremely boring to watch

[digital sparrow]

yeah, let's watch them execute some math problems. Wheee!

[polar tiger]

No offense my friend, but that is the farthest from how game development works lol. To put it into perspective, even UE has their source code freely viewable to the public

@agile roost yeah I agree, it would be very nice to see the devs in action

[digital sparrow]

that's source code that every game uses as a framework but the code that developers make for their games is literally digital property. They wouldn't show that off to the whole world.

[polar tiger]

Its source code is not what every game uses, there are many different game engines, frameworks, or APIs available for use, some are open source, read-only, or private. Unity for example is very private and exclusive with their source code. And unreal is read-only and the #1 leading commercial game engine, yet they aren’t worried about giving away their “biggest secrets” to other engine or graphics developers. In fact they’re fine with people (even competing products) to use the information they gained from reading their code. Showing off parts of Isle’s code would be no big deal, for example a lot of it is prob just simple logic stepping, function callbacks, hooking nodes together, and event handling… there’d be no reason to hide that. Majority of developers have no problem with sharing ideas and sharing code with others. That’s basically the coding world, everything is out in the open. I think Isle did used to do coding streams, could be wrong tho

Me personally, I’d love to watch Filipe stream. He’s definitely a very talented programmer and it would be pretty educational

[frozen heron]

One of the previous coders, foszor, has streamed before and even he had to censor his own code. Not sure what to tell ya

[steel field]

some of these suggestion lately, christ

[polar tiger]

Poor Foszor… 😦

[brittle night]

@fringe frost ah yes, lets make the game pay 2 win

[oblique creek]

I'm worried about the skills myself aswell I agree, I guess it'll depend how they do it. I hate the whole meta thing too, but I think it would be kinda neat to have some genetics if they aren't op. Thanks for the response!

[agile roost]

No? Lol

Most of the players of the Isle have no idea how to execute code, so I doubt they'll know what every line of code does

Also coding ASMR is pretty big

[agile roost]

I actually find it entertaining

[fringe frost]

I'm just thinking about the profit for the game. The overpowered dinos(deino, stego) are much more expensive than those its counterparts

but I think what the path they want is the experience of working hard to grow your dino but as I said, it's just a suggestion.

also the player retentions

[oblique bobcat]

duck stop trolling they will never add that feature

[fringe frost]

hey, it's working for the unofficial server in legacy

but they mainly do it to keep server costs

just my two cent

[brittle night]

But what makes you think is even remotely a good suggestions? Its absolutely pay2win that doesnt bring anything good to the game except for those rich people that can grow dinos indefinitely

[fringe frost]

that's why there is time limit to avoid abuse.

[brittle night]

Ah yes, surely they wouldn't buy more accounts to not wait for the grow's cooldown :clueless:

[fringe frost]

well, more money for the game since they have to buy that new account the game

[brittle night]

so just keep the players that abuse from the feature just because they give more money to the game?

They have said multiple times that they do not need more money, and that they have more than enough revenue from the game sales and merchandising

They are currently expanding their company, not long ago they hired 3 new animators and i think a couple programmers, and searching for more

[limber hull]

all that needs to be said

[fringe frost]

oh, I didn't know this.

[fringe frost]

yeah, he replied to my suggestion

but they might consider this in the future. Who knows. 😄

Money is money.

[brittle night]

[limber hull]

they aren't going to

they've made it ADAMANTLY clear they don't want the money

they refuse donations

[fringe frost]

oh, well that's news to me.

[brittle night]

even in their twitch accounts

[limber hull]

you can't donate to the studio, to their twitch accounts, anything, they make it crystal clear how little they need or want the money

[brittle night]

If they wanted more money or needed, there would be somewhere to donate, which doesn't exist

you dont need to add a feature that can be ABUSED in the game just for some money, they can do way more options

[limber hull]

also skipping entire core parts of the gameplay loop with money is the definition of Pay to Win

[fringe frost]

yeah, you guys have a point.

but I'll keep on suggesting things that can add more profit to the game

without skipping the core parts

atleast

or can add advantage to the game

[brittle night]

"let me forget everything that was said about the devs not needing more money because they earn enough from the game sales so i can keep suggesting things that can make the game a pay to win"

[fringe frost]

have you read my statement? I said i'll keep suggesting that DOES NOT skip the core parts or add advantage

[brittle night]

It still contains some type of transactions or something to spend money on

[fringe frost]

well, they might decide to make this game free to play

[brittle night]

which was said numerous times that they wont be adding anything similar

[fringe frost]

a steady flow of income is better than slow and stagnant income

[brittle night]

if they made the game f2p, then they would probably add something to spend money on, which would probably end on a p2w game or ruin the games reputation

[fringe frost]

imagine enough people have bought the game, have you thought about the server costs, dev's salary etc to keep the game running?

[brittle night]

iirc they earned 22 mill from the kickstarter or around 2016, if you see the steam database you can probably guess around how many people bought the game

[fringe frost]

oh, this was a kickstarter game? I didn't know that

[brittle night]

I think so, i'm not sure so dont take my word for it

[fringe frost]

well, that's alot of money. That explains it

[brittle night]

They have said more than enough times that they dont need any more money and that's clear since you cant donate anywhere, even in their twitch channels

the only income they have is from the game sales itself and merchandising

[oblique bobcat]

@queen pendant how long u been playing the isle for when you have 711 hours spent

[limber hull]

711 hours

[slow blaze]

punch literally said out loud "no" what do you think this means ?

[small anchor]

@midnight rivet im talking of fg ofc....

i may need to record that thing happening

its pretty weird

[lucid mauve]

But since you upvoted his, whats Op with carno? I think its crap lol

[limber hull]

its got a bugged hitbox, but that's it

everything about it is really bad

[lucid mauve]

Yea hitbox i get,but carno op i judt dont get why people upvote. Maybe if they said pachy i would understand

[stone mantle]

#general-feedback message basically Hunting Horn from Monster Hunter i love it haha

[limber hull]

@maiden anvil love the idea of paras having another "call buff" like galli, but personally, i'd have it be something besides speed. Perhaps stamina, on top of making para a master of endurance running and fighting.

[stray onyx]

Suggestion, get sponsorship from a development company or a product they can somehow add into the game. Not the greatest thing ever but it will at least end the stagnate income problem especially if the devs are that desperate for cash. Alternatively, a place to donate money for people who want to give it money. If both of these ideas aren’t good enough, ok, they are just ideas bc I see the potential of this game. I don’t want to see it die, but if money is the problem, they need to add more ways to raise income without turning the game p2w.

[glad radish]

When does the new danours come out anyone know

[limber hull]

update 6.5

so next update

[stray onyx]

I am extremely excited for it

Hope it comes out before the end of the month.

[glad radish]

Do u know when it comes out im to

Ok thank u

[limber hull]

no ETAs

it's not confirmed to come out before the end of the month

making that very clear now

[stray onyx]

Yeah, we don’t get ETA’s, personally I don’t like that bc it makes the whole idea of an updates timeline flimsy. But they gonna do what they gonna do

[limber hull]

i prefer it because ETAs lead to rushed results

see for instance, U6

[maiden anvil]

Not a bad idea at all

[limber hull]

could have it reduce stamdrain for the duration of the buff

[stray onyx]

I believe if they weren’t switching the game immediately to the next UE5 they could of repaired all the issues that came in that update

But again, they own the game, not me, it’s just my opinion and they do what they do and that’s ok. I love their work just not the speed so I wish there was a way we could help them out

[stray onyx]

@royal current quick clarification. Stuck as in you freeze and can’t move at all like a bug or stuck as in stun?

[stone mantle]

#general-feedback message should be up to the person playing a female dino who they want to nest with

[digital sparrow]

I'm pretty sure the devs are adding dueling in the future

[stray onyx]

Sparring yes, hopefully they add it for all dinosaurs after the system is used on the ceratopsian they add later

[limber hull]

doubt it'll be added for every dino

seems to be a diablo-specific mechanic

it also doesn't really make sense for every dino

[lapis swallow]

Hypsi sparring

[stone mantle]

what will sparring even be used for?

[urban flax]

Ceratopsian-specific *

[limber hull]

yea, that

[urban flax]

Although I can see a few other dinos having it

[untold wharf]

@icy lion Superlunary I will provide my thoughts in a more constructive and thought provoking way, thank you! Same species non-carnivorous dinosaurs i.e Petra’s, utahs, tentos should suffer a debuff for a period of time when persistently and repeatedly murdering their own species to promote a more player friendly and team-building environment. ❤️🌺🦋

[bleak bison]

@oblique bobcat,your suggestions really make me think

[oblique bobcat]

aa?

[stone mantle]

#general-feedback message what happens if you grow a dino on a server, log out, and then try to log into that server at a later point when the population capacity for that dino is full?

[tall hearth]

devs have already had an idea for this. basically, they'll let server owners have the ability to switch on and off specific species at any given time. players already growing or have grown their dino keep it, just new ones cant be selected but players can still be nested.

(this was not posted today, old screenshot)

[stone mantle]

Ah. That does make a lot more sense than setting a numerical limit

[wheat epoch]

I offer the highest honor I can bestow upon @proud coral 's suggestion

A # in my username

[stone mantle]

#general-feedback message that looks so good compared to what we have now 🤤 a shame i completely missed that update. A blueish tint might make more sense because of moonlight

[proud coral]

I had thought about it after and edited it to include maybe just letting us choose certain tints for preference. I didn't include it initially since I was worried it could be abused. Buuuuut if it's purely the tint, it shouldn't be.....probably

As long as it doesn't affect the actual range n' such

[stone mantle]

Do animals with good night vision actually see in colour during the night? Had the impression they just had more eye rods than us which only detect light/dark contrasts and not colour

[urban flax]

It depends on the animal
Cats only see two colors, but they don't lose those colors during the night, for example

[stone mantle]

Which colours?

[urban flax]

iirc they don't see red, but I'm not sure

[stone mantle]

Would it be possible to implement something like that in game but only for certain dinos (other dinos have black/white nv)?

[proud coral]

Hopefully <:3

[urban flax]

Possible ? Definitely
But how hard or time-consuming it would be to pull off ? I have no idea

[stone mantle]

Would be nice for nocturnal dinos like troodon, dryo(?), etc

[modest dock]

Doesnt affect those, i might have forgotten this detail in my suggestion but it will be mainly for preventing new to spawn and at least for the newborn that includes the fact that this needs a nest to be active on the server, which for now isn't the case at any time so that prevents overpopulation of apex predators for exemple

[stone mantle]

yeah, someone else mentioned it earlier. i interpreted your suggestion as setting a numerical limit for each dino instead of enabling/disabling the ability to spawn in, which makes a lot more sense. sorry for the misunderstanding 😅

[modest dock]

Yeah that was exactly what i had in mind, didnt knew devs already had plans for that

[modest dock]

Well i was suggesting a "numerical" limit or kinda so it doesnt need admins to manually turn on/off the feature, but it doesnt affect the pre existing saves anyway, just enabling or disabling the ability to spawn in

[stone mantle]

i guess the question with a system like that would be if officials make use of it or not

[modest dock]

If devs manage to find a way to add more player capacity to servers while keeping the game stable, we could finally see a bit more of diversity in the game, and much more herbis herds

[modest dock]

I think it should, with at least a minimum of settings, so servers wo t be filled with 75% population of carnos or ceratos..

[stone mantle]

hopefully, yeah. altho if people continue sticking to hot-spots like they do now, the map is still going to be empty. hopefully the migration mechanic (whatever it is) will mitigate that

[modest dock]

Yeah like center, which for now is basically a no mans land..

[stone mantle]

NW is far worst most of the time

[oblique bobcat]

it would be really nice if the players in a server wern't stuck at 96 and when I try to join it, it'll be full even if I refresh. And if we had a Queue

[mint forge]

#general-feedback message

@gloomy flame are you guys on droog ? there's literally now way a carno can hunt a stego

[stone mantle]

carno was based on cheetahs, who are small game hunters 😂😭

[mint forge]

that "cheetah" thing fit utah way more than carno

[stone mantle]

omnis are pack hunters though

cheetahs are not

[mint forge]

utah are agile and have a way to attack without getting attacked simultaneously by pouncing, which gives them a "safe way" to operate. carno can't and would just get tailed swiped to death if they tried to charge a full grown stego

the principle of a diet is to eat whatever is on your reach. carno might be tall, they have no way to safely kill a stego

btw @junior kite I need to know if all of your feedbacks are troll or nah

[oblique bobcat]

@mighty turret #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[rare fractal]

Trying to justify or define niches with irl animals instead of just examining the roll the in game animal takes will always be bizarre to me

A Carno is not a cheetah, it does not operate in the same way cheetahs do, the only similarities they really share is that they are fast and therefor hunt fast things

[junior kite]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Feedbacks are about improving the game, so what am I doing that is making it seem like I am trolling?

[limber hull]

@proud coral you got the Punch seal of consideration

congrats

[proud coral]

[oak nimbus]

more AI lol

[mint forge]

Idk, I like to read people's idea on how to improve the game by adding features or others but some of your seems too be a bit too exaggerated so yeah

[unreal inlet]

That's right, that would of course be best if the Omni got a little better in general.

[junior kite]

If you're referring to my feedback on the idea to propose about humans having the ability to use firearms and automobiles etc including even build their own weapons. In the primitive state then I generally do mean that. it would actually be enlightening and even entertaining to see dinosaurs fighting humans who are either trying To capture them or hunt them down like Prey in their natural state as we do in the animal kingdom such as lions rhinos ect. Poaching could be a big factor leading to using animal parts such as bones horns claws and teeth to create new items like medicine that is of course. Outdated but allows the player to heal in some manner from damage. I know there would be because they could be able to create their own weapons when there is no longer any bullets or ammunition in stock. Such as bow And arrow spears and knives.

[north quiver]

@barren zephyr I like the idea of mutations that aren’t common. I feel like instead of the babies purely getting carbon copy colors from their parents, the babies should also have a chance to get various variations of the color (the brightness and saturation)

[urban flax]

@quick vine What do you mean with getting dino sizes more realistic ?
Apart from teno which is oversized, and stego which is undersized, the sizes are pretty accurate

[delicate goblet]

I also like the idea, Mutations could be rare and could be a permanent color option in the character creation menu as well after you’ve gained it. It would almost be a collectible skin.

[quick vine]

the pteranodon just seems really small. a mean a full grown one captures school fish and it seems no bigger than a good portion of his bill. just my personal input on it.

[quick vine]

I can honestly say i am so glad the isle isn't like path of titans because that is so bad, path of titans feels like mmorpg compared to an actual dino survival game like the isle. So thank you for that.

[limber hull]

45kg is generous for a pteranodon weight, it used to be 90kg, which is absurd

[quick vine]

but 20 dmg seems kind of low don't you think considering you are fighting other players with a substantial damage differential, i mean if players play as the Pteranodon they mind as well fight nothing but ai and play a flying simulator. like there is no function to be able to pick up prey with there feet like it was in real life. But that is just my two sense on the matter, i mean flying was great, the mechanics was great. but i got bored really really fast playing as the Pteranodon, in fact i flew straight into the ground just to pick a new dino.

[limber hull]

no, it seems too high given the animal's niche and ability

pteranodon used to be able to kill stegos, and even now its still a notable threat to even carnos

simply because it can fly

also ptera COULD NOT pick up prey with their feet irl

That's exclusively a Jurassic World thing

[quick vine]

sure flying has its own advantage but i literally one shot a fully grown Pteranodon last night with a stego.

[jovial hazel]

Impossible.

[limber hull]

i'm not sure why that's surprising?

[quick vine]

watch the video i sent you

[limber hull]

it's a stego vs a ptera

[slate heath]

But isn’t the whole point of path of titan is to be an mmo?

[quick vine]

idk i uninstalled it after a few minutes of playing it.

[limber hull]

in that vid you are quite literally several dozens of its size

of course you're going to obliterate it

i don't see an issue with that at all

[slate heath]

Well yeah it is, just do a quick google search.

[quick vine]

well since you gentlemen are so bent on disproving all of my suggestions there is no reason to further this conversation. have a good day.

[limber hull]

okay

[tall hearth]

45 kg animal vs 6 ton animal

Sure I will win because I can fly

[limber hull]

in the vid it was a juvi stego

the stego still dwarfed the ptera

[tall hearth]

That's still big in terms of size

Juvi stego fresh is still many times a pteras size

[limber hull]

yep

idk what people's fixation with making ptera into quetz is

[jovial hazel]

It would be fun.

[limber hull]

i also am 90% sure that dude used Jurassic Park as his source

[quick vine]

No not at all kiddo

[limber hull]

"like there is no function to be able to pick up prey with there feet like it was in real life"

in real life, pteras had flat feet

they physically could not be used to grab

[quick vine]

Just because you played ark doesn't make you a prehistoric expert.

[limber hull]

i dont

and how would ARK make me a prehistoric expert

doesn't ARK have pteras that grab with their feet lol

[urban flax]

Ark is the perfect source to have people believe Isle dinos are undersized

[limber hull]

TRUE

Wait maybe it was ARK, not JP

[quick vine]

Egotistical folks strike yet again in a world of online discussion.

[limber hull]

Man I just wanted to help you learn what a ptera was like irl I didn't want a fight lol

It's not about ego, what ego am I protecting by saying ptera couldn't pick things up with its feet

Unless you are saying I am a pteranodon which is an interesting spin on this narrative

[urban flax]

Mr.ptera (noodle feet niche)

[urban flax]

No one is forbidding you to look up paleontological papers or websites to back up your claims

[limber hull]

Or just, y'know, not get mad at people when they try to help you learn something new

[quick vine]

its all good i am going to delete my suggestion, because now i can truly see why the games population doesn't reach above 1k.

[limber hull]

Dude. No one is trying to attack you why are you being so aggressive lol

[quick vine]

welp good job this game just lost another player

[limber hull]

okay

have fun with whatever game you play instead, i guess

i hear Beasts of Bermuda has pteras that can pick things up with their feet

[fallen river]

W interaction

[north quiver]

I’m not entirely sure how I feel about unlockable mutation colors. I think if “mutation colors” fall outside the species-specific normal colors, they shouldn’t be unlockable. that way, it’d heavily encourage someone to keep their dino alive

[north quiver]

^

[urban flax]

I'm entirely sure I don't like the idea of random mutations. I'm not interested in playing an albino dino and I don't want to be forced to play as such, even if it's a rare occurence.

[delicate goblet]

Sounds like a you problem, I might spawn into a nest with an ugly green skin but I don’t throw a fit about it? That’s the whole fun of nesting, it’s randomized, it’s the survival of the fittest and you get the family life already

[urban flax]

Randomness is bad unless it has a very good reason to be
I don't know what is a reason good enough to force a player to spend their whole playthrough with an ugly skin

[delicate goblet]

Then die if you get it and start over with ur own custom skin, no one is forcing you. You chose to pick a nest to spawn in.

[urban flax]

There's something wrong when you're playing a survival game and your best option is to suicide and start over

[delicate goblet]

Suicide a hatchling and respawn as a juvenile?

Also the randomness already exists, You get ur parents colors already. All we are suggesting is a rare occurrence that indeed does exist in nature, A lot of people like the albino or melanistic look.

[urban flax]

The fact it exists right now doesn't mean it's a good thing

[delicate goblet]

You mean nesting and the color you turn out as? What else is the baby supposed to look like 😂 do you understand how genetics work? That’s what happens to literally everyone, you are BORN with either (rarely) a mutation or shared looks from ur parents, I don’t know what else you want the babies to look like.

[urban flax]

The baby is supposed to create a skin with its parents' color instead of letting a very bad randomness decide for them

[delicate goblet]

Yes that’s what I mean, however mutations do OCCUR in nature, and it would be an interesting thing to see.

[north quiver]

randomness in nesting is a good thing. it’s a small price to pay for being able to spawn in a different area along with other herd or pack members to socialize with. your chances of survival are increased. it’s a very small price to pay, especially if the plans to give babies buffs (that aren’t combat related) are true

[urban flax]

To see, maybe
But it doesn't fit a videogame, expecially not this one

[urban flax]

I thought the price to pay was to have a longer growth and be dependent on your parents, not a random chance to look ugly your entire life

[north quiver]

don’t spawn in a nest if you don’t want what you’d consider ugly colors. no one is forcing you to. it’s not putting you at a disadvantage

[urban flax]

Yeah, exactly. It's not even putting me at a disadvantage, so it isn't even a balance feature.
It's just a random chance of being annoying
And now you're telling me I should completely disregard the nesting mechanic as a whole because some edgy weirdo wants to play as their albino OC ?

[north quiver]

besides, I know for a fact some people will spend ages customizing their skin. god that’d be so annoying

[neat kiln]

Yes

Put quite simply, yes, and also how is albino edgy? 💀 it just looks cool

And the whole point is that it’s rare, of course people would want it

[north quiver]

what does an edgy albino weirdo have anything to do with this..? you don’t have to disregard the nesting mechanic as a whole. if you think I’m supporting albinism and things like it, I’m not. I’m just supporting more randomness in nesting such as variations in saturation and brightness, and potentially the chance of getting a different color that’s already available to the species that the parents don’t current have picked

if albinism and things like it are added, then alright. I don’t really care for it and I’m indifferent to it. if it works then it works, and if it doesn’t then it doesn’t

[delicate goblet]

Agreed.

[bleak bison]

Because someone said ptera can’t pick up things with its feet? Fair enough tbh.

[lucid mauve]

No, but if im getting buffs protection and food , colors etc. You sorta start moving into where im forced to nest in, cus i would be dumb if not. And unless nesting is really hard, especially as a pack/herd. I honestly dont want "free growth" cus im in a herd or pack. And people sitting in each corner until they are strong enough.

[urban flax]

@forest fern How would herbis hunt with that ? They can't even smell footprints

[rare fractal]

Are we seriously arguing that nesting in is just the random mixer version of normally spawning in?
If you want to randomize your skin, do that in the character creator in spawn, there’s a button for that.
Nesting has a progression purpose, it’s necessary for perks and elders going forward, I’m not sure why we’d make the experience of nesting so arbitrarily random in a number of ways because “it’s fun to be random” when we do actually need to encourage the majority of players to nest in for perks

[urban flax]

Apparently for some people random=good

[rare fractal]

The game is already random enough as it is

Idk why we want it to be lacking even more player agency

Which is something people seem to constantly want when it’s convenient for them…like balance

Which I’m all on board for, all I want is consistency

Kinda gives me the same vibes as the bush cliffs and deino lunge….man isn’t it fun to have random bits of terrain and water that just kill you?

[south oar]

Definitely

[forest fern]

That's not what i meant

I mean that herbis don't need to run and chase a prey so walking and sniffing wouldnt be needed

Carnis sometimes have to sniff to find their prey , for example a pack of omnis atack carno , he runs away , so omnis need to sniff blood fast to find him or he will heal the bleed and run away

[mint forge]

I'm ok with the idea you just mentioned but some others feedbacks felt a bit out of place like the one about bioluminescent plants that'd make dino skins glow or the one mentioning the idea of human riding dinos

[junior kite]

Well the idea I got was from glow worms, because some animals in fact can in fact glow. But I mean this is just a game, so it could be in a sense were the animal is not exactly a pure dinosaur. More like a engineered one from like Jurassic park. As for the one riding on the backs of other players. That would be super cool where players could fight other players using each other team work to survive. I got the idea originally from the golden compass, in where animals called demons were almost humanistic as we're playing dinos. So it's not to troll, but more or less expand that of where perhaps humans transfered their minds into the bodies of dinos when creating this animals in the lab as though to push the boundaries of what they could get away with. I mean experimentation is all about seeing what is possible and what is not. They once developed hypoes, which where unreleaslistic, but damn as hell cool. There was also the discussion of bringing them back to which they drew another breed that would have 2 heads.

[junior kite]

Another thing on the bioluminescent discussion is that I believe this could also open a window to even carnivorous plants that preexisted or and are have been altered to be more visions and dangerous to other players. For example, the fly trap, imagine something large living and having the ability to grab others players if you got to close. This would also make it more interesting when using the woods as cover to hide from danger or travel. It would make you more alert now compared to just walking out in the open where players are at this point KOS. I mean most players are now practically hiding all the time, that devs need to get more creative about this game. I prepose the idea of land terrain such as poisonous vegetation that would cause you to throw up.

[whole furnace]

Carnis can’t run and sniff either, only walk and sniff. It’s more of a QoL thing than “oh herbis should be able to track things!”
No I just wanna be able to walk and smell my food. It makes no sense that my sniffer stops working simply because I’m walking forward. Herbis ain’t that out of shape xD

[barren crater]

You could also disable bleed tracking while moving

[queen ember]

@forest fern why would they sniff for tracks in the first place? All sniffing while walking would do is the same it does now except it’s not a tedious task. It’s really just for sniffing food and I don’t wanna stop walking every time I wanna sniff

[proud coral]

Indeed. In the past it was an issue to let them do it, but nowadays it's just a relic that needs to get got.

[unique mirage]

what are the pinned messages in general feedback? are they gonna be implemented or just considered?

[thick cobalt]

@barren zephyr I think that would be way to op, unless it was just for young/sub adults

[barren zephyr]

well it would also help with the flying fish problem, and yes, it could be for just juvis/sub adults, i guess adults just forget about it

[thick cobalt]

I say not for adults since they so heavy

[unique mirage]

can you even kill the flying fish?

tried it as a carno didnt work

[desert arch]

You can't, they dont register the hits, it also makes the battle music loop infinitely for some reason

[limber hull]

@summer thistle cerato already has one of the best swims in the game

[summer thistle]

It looked pretty slow I guess my eyes deceive me, oke dokes

[barren zephyr]

@maiden verge that is one goofy ahh 🤓 lighting glitch, they should really blend that together in the next update lmao

[barren zephyr]

@limber hull whats wrong with my suggestion?

[limber hull]

U6.5 has nerfed carno enough, it really doesn't need any more nerfs with how bad it is

Also 3 whole seconds of charging and even 3 seconds of being stunned is absurdly long and an insane punishment

[barren zephyr]

Thats what i was saying

[limber hull]

What?

[barren zephyr]

I was asking to reduce carnos stun time for lighter creatures

[limber hull]

where did you say that in that suggestion lol

that's a new nerf you didn't even mention yet

[barren zephyr]

The second one

Wait thats not what i mean

Sorry, im on mobile

When a carno rams a stego, it stuns the carno for like 2.5 seconds

[limber hull]

yea thats an insane punishment

[barren zephyr]

Same if you rammed a stego thats only sub

[limber hull]

you're literally sentencing the carno to instant death for using ram on a stego

[barren zephyr]

Bro

Im asking to reduce that time

The current time is 2.5 seconds i want it reduced

[faint folio]

I'm pretty sure they're saying if carno rams a 2T stego, it should stun for like 0.5 s, if it rams a 4T stego, it should stun for like 1 s, if it rams FG stego, stun 1.5s, etc. Scaling with how much bigger the ram target is compared to the carno

[limber hull]

that's just weird and inconsistent lol

[barren zephyr]

Precisely

[limber hull]

also, carno really shouldn't be ramming stego in the first place?

Like, sure it could be reduced, but like

[faint folio]

Numbers up for debate, just kinda threw some out there to illustrate the trend

[limber hull]

Also I'm almost certain it isn't 3 seconds

[barren zephyr]

Its at least 2 seconds currently

Pretty sure its 2.5 seconds

[limber hull]

Honestly I thought you were asking to increase the timer

But honestly it's weird either way

[barren zephyr]

No lol

Also meant to put in fixing tail ramming

[limber hull]

Making the timer longer is just punishing carno for punishment's sake, whereas reducing the timer changes nothing because carno does literally like zero damage to stego with a ram regardless

[limber hull]

Tail ramming isn't a thing, if you meant fixing the hitbox, then that's been fixed

If you ram a tail, it doesn't knock down and does reduced damage

[barren zephyr]

No. if you ram a stegos tail, it'll stun you

[limber hull]

That's because the hitbox is too big

You're actually hitting the body

The hitbox is literally that massive

[barren zephyr]

No, because i did thia in U5 and even before

[limber hull]

Why are you ramming stegos anyway tho

[faint folio]

Hitbox for carno has been giant for ages

[limber hull]

Heavier animals make you take recoil damage and recoil stun and take heavily reduced ram damage

It is literally not worth trying to ram them

[barren zephyr]

Regardless, if you hit a stegos tail by accident youre doomed. It could literally be the tippy top of it

[faint folio]

They did it to help balance carnos having to start charging from a mile away so that they'd have a chance to hit

But since carno can now charge quickly and turn much better, the hitbox is too big

[limber hull]

They did it because the charge was literally pathetic with its terrible turn radius

[faint folio]

Makes it too easy to do damage now

[limber hull]

Not anymore, the charge has been fixed and acceleration too

So now carno has neither fast startups nor the massive hitbox

U6.5 carno is generally very bad

It's a pursuit hunter that's still designed like an ambush hunter, while being bad at both

[barren zephyr]

Have you tested it?

[limber hull]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

Devs arent going to fix it before the release?

[limber hull]

I literally cannot tell you I don't know

[modest dock]

Don't know whats wrong with my last suggeston like it seems everyone still wants extra large groups of same species sticking around for a long time

[north quiver]

people hate carno so much right now that it’s exciting to hear carno got nerfed. I’m on board with that hype train for nerfed carno because it’s just been so sickening to play against, but I’m sure people will slowly start agreeing to buff carno where buffs are needed once they see the state of it and form their own opinion. as of right now, god any nerfs to it are so much appreciated

[lapis swallow]

#general-feedback message Eat grass and die

[barren zephyr]

Yeah thats what happened to omni 😂

We want the game to be balanced

Dont just add insane buffs then ultra insane nerfs then repeat

That wont do anything

[lucid mauve]

I like it, dont like when people can be in big groups. But i dont like debuff stuff either, but what about just make it hard to maintain on food? And the more you are, the bigger prey you need to go after. And can result in dying.

[barren zephyr]

Its not a good idea to add debuffs llike that imo

If baby carnos decided to annoy you all they have to do is stick with you

There are so many ways to exploit it therez no point

Unofficial servers will be fixing all that

Im near certain once legacy gets shut down we'll see a lot

[lucid mauve]

How many times you need to hit a darn grown deino on its tail/back to kill it as carno ?

[modest dock]

Well yeah but i was suggesting only small debuff.. Just finding solution to oreventing situation like, one single stego against literally 15 carnos

[untold pendant]

You can kill a stego in a pack of 2-3

It’s very possible

If you want to prevent such a mass group then don’t be an annoying stego

Who mix packs and 3 calls

[urban flax]

I saw that and I rejoice

[jovial hazel]

That's why I always grow tenos. Those carnos have it so hard, they deserve some decent food. I keep trying to feed them but they just run into my tail every time. Hopefully they get a buff in next update.

[modest dock]

Killing a pack of 2-3 carnos is also very possible. I was talking about oversized groups of carnos.

Like boi if you want carnis to get buff then don't be a carno who packs with half the entire server population to kill everything on sight 🙂

Anyway, if someone have a good idea to prevent from those giant packs it could be really usefull in the future

[urban flax]

Bringing back megapack scent would be a good start

[stone mantle]

yeah was wondering why i wasn't seeing it anymore... why'd they remove it?

[urban flax]

I'm not sure, but its first implementation wasn't that good
It was trigerred as soon as you reached the max group limit, not when you exceeded it, so it was giving a lot of false positives
Also deino players complained that it would give them away all the time

[stone mantle]

ah

would be cool if it only affected certain dinos, especially those that aren't reliant on a pack/herd to survive

[urban flax]

I think it should affect all dinos, but only if they exceed the pack limit, so they exist for a reason

I see no issue in having the 16 deinos all sitting at the same spot having a little debuff to their hunting capabilities

[lucid mauve]

If 16 deinos can be at one place, something is crazy off with balance on food or people are dumb as hell lol

[urban flax]

It happens a lot

[untold pendant]

I just bait the tenonto into swinging until it runs out of stamina then get a few bites in and bleed it out

[urban flax]

And I'm pretty sure it's because something is off with the balance

[lucid mauve]

But how i can barely keep my solo deino alive lol

[urban flax]

Maybe that is precisely because you're playing solo

[stone mantle]

yeah that's fair, although it probably shouldn't include subadults or older

[lucid mauve]

You shouldt need a pack to survive as deino, your not a killing machine.

[urban flax]

And that is precisely the reason why I think it's fine to debuff deino megapacks

[untold pendant]

Ngl packed deinos usually have no idea what they’re doing

[lucid mauve]

But how can 16 surive ? like where do they get the food ?

[urban flax]

idk
Fish
Other deinos
The occasionnal dino who tried to drink I guess
I wouldn't know since I don't play deino, but when I play ptera I see deino megapacks all the time

[untold pendant]

Well

Fish however they miss out on 50% growth

[lucid mauve]

Ive never seen it , not that i been playing deino much. But that sounds crazy off, its like seeing 5 rexes in pack and its normal if u ask me

[urban flax]

I never said it's normal
It's actually quite the opposite
But as a matter of fact I also saw packs of 5+ rexes quite commoly back when I was playing legacy

[lucid mauve]

I know one croc body gives alot of food tho

Yea i could see decent amount of rexes on hotspots, but 5 i never saw outside of that

[rare fractal]

Ideally rexes won’t have the same luxuries that deinos do currently

Hopefully they don’t have infinite food from AI, as well as the ability to…..be killed

[lucid mauve]

Im fine with deino as solo/duo etc,but the fact you can keep 16 at same spot lol

[urban flax]

Ideally deinos won't have the same luxuries as deinos do currently

[rare fractal]

Also true

[rare fractal]

3 deinos in the same body of water should be so unsustainable to the point of absolutely needing to kill the third to keep surviving

[lucid mauve]

I totally agree on that

[barren zephyr]

the only reason it isn’t is because deino is a canni

[rare fractal]

Yeah cannibalism makes them self sufficient instead of competitive

It has the opposite intended effect

[lucid mauve]

You could lower the food given by one

[barren zephyr]

Maybe make it so too much cannibalism has negative consequences

[stone mantle]

only adults though, so it's still possible to nest as deino

[barren zephyr]

like if you eat pure deinos for too long you get a debuff and gain food slower and lose food faster

[rare fractal]

I’d still say that any deino larger than a mid juvi should absolutely leave the area as soon as they get that large

Or rather….they have to

[barren zephyr]

Deino megapacks only fail when they decide like idiots to not kill eachother lol

And since it’s a megapack they can’t ambush anyone

[rare fractal]

It’s really just the ability to get food from other deinos….at all, that’s the issue

[stone mantle]

Not sure how the modern crocodilian life cycle works, but ideally deino's should be similar

[rare fractal]

Not sure why

[lucid mauve]

Megapack is one thing, i still think 3+ should be hard as hell to substain on food

[rare fractal]

They’re nothing like modern gators

[barren zephyr]

Make it so deino gains like 10% food from other deinos but gains a lot of diet maybe

[stone mantle]

Do we have any other frame of reference?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but how

[rare fractal]

It doesn’t need one, it can just be designed how it’s needed to be as the game demands

Like how teno Omni Pachy Carno Troodon and stego were

[barren zephyr]

if you make the hunger drain too fast then deino just isn’t fun to play because you aren’t able to hunt reliably in the first place

[lucid mauve]

Decreas food on deino, if you kill one.

[rare fractal]

Oh I think it should have a colossally long starvation timer, but it literally shouldn’t be able to eat it’s own kind

There’s actually more incentive to kill your own kind when you gain zero benefits for having them around instead of some

[lucid mauve]

But my guess they gonna get a new life when spino/cherius/sucho gets added tho. Might be awhile tho lol

[barren zephyr]

That makes sense but then why don’t utah players kill their own

[lucid mauve]

Im fine with deinos feeding on spinos that are trying to grown,and adult spinos going for adult deinos etc

[rare fractal]

A: They do
B: They’re smaller and can therefor survive in less kills.
C: They’re mechanics incentivize larger groups to get more food whereas deinos are the opposite

[stone mantle]

Omnis are pack hunters and need larger packs to hunt larger prey

[rare fractal]

Deino maximizes it’s effectiveness by literally being entirely solitary

It’s already a nerf to your survival to have a partner in the first place

The only thing it aids with is….killing other deinos

And eating them

Because why wait and be patient for your next terrestrial kill when you could just find a lonely 8 ton buffet waiting to be executed

Which is why packs form, this is easiest to do in groups

[stone mantle]

or if one of your group mates dies during a hunt or something it's free food and removes the need to succeed at hunting (this applies to carno as well)

[rare fractal]

This would significantly diminish if you couldn’t eat those other deinos when you killed them, instead eliminating them to maximize your odds of successfully lunging

[lucid mauve]

that was one of the things i did like in legacy balance, i remember when i started playing i joined a huge group of allos and we slaughter everything we came across. And then a giga showd up and killed one of ours, and we tho the giga was easy kill. Our group was cut in half after that : P

[rare fractal]

Mhm, like my general philosophy with cannibalism is that it should only ever be given as a benefit to animals that can’t hunt their own food

Like obligate scavengers

Which I thought Cerato was going to be but they made it faster than I expected

Now it’s just new Carno

[lucid mauve]

Totally agree, its just another carno. I got so suprised by that

[rare fractal]

A Carno that curbstomps teno even harder than Carno used to

[lucid mauve]

I even heard its like a 50/50 fight to

[rare fractal]

Like 1 you can sorta fight……but if 2 even exist in your general vicinity you die

And it’s not like you can avoid them they’re faster than you

Because I guess teno being even of equal speed to Cerato was just unthinkable

[lucid mauve]

But thats the main problem now, everything is about numbers. Cus you dont really have any tier diffrences, stego is just there if you want to fight it.

[rare fractal]

Everything will always be about numbers

That’s an unavoidable state of games

They’re necessarily designed

[lucid mauve]

Not in legacy, i could be allo and go for 6 or 3 carnos. Without hesitate, i still could die and win

6 utahs not carnos lol

[rare fractal]

That’s mainly because legacy combat was pathetically awful

A single Utah was the most powerful animal in the game

[north quiver]

so the supposed scavenger is a good hunter lmao?

[rare fractal]

Basically

[lucid mauve]

Thats your though, for what it was and had. It was really good

[north quiver]

god

[rare fractal]

Not against anything but teno, but against teno it just consumes it

[stone mantle]

wait how fast is it??

[rare fractal]

It was objectively a mess

[rare fractal]

40.5, tenos speed got nerfed to 40.3 from 40.5

Specifically so Cerato could be slightly faster than it lmao

[stone mantle]

🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦

[north quiver]

does cera or teno have more stam?

[lucid mauve]

I dont think so, it came down skill and understanding. And numbers was not all, you actually interacted with stuff. Even tho you where outnumber

If you are for we are more therfore we win, well thats bad balance if u ask me

[rare fractal]

I think teno has more stam but that doesn’t really matter, Cerato doesn’t require any stamina to attack, teno does, and the moment it tries to it loses a third of its hp because of cerato’s dps

[rare fractal]

I don’t think I’ve ever been apart of a combative interaction in legacy that I can say was determined by skill

[north quiver]

and cera can’t be stunned by teno?

[rare fractal]

It can

Like I said, a teno can survive one, 2 delete it

Badly

[lucid mauve]

damn thats sad, you could litterly see a bad player amile away. So you mean we are more so we win balance is good ?

[stone mantle]

thank god i stayed sceptical about this update... jesus christ 😐

[north quiver]

[rare fractal]

No I’m saying there wasn’t enough skill expression that was present with in legacies combat to have skillful engagements, movement systems, bleed, and hitboxes all hard capped the skill ceiling of legacy

[rare fractal]

At least beipi Troodon and Galli are fun

They’re all in really good spots, if anything Galli is too strong

But I’d rather wait how it performs for an update before saying anything definitive about its strength

[stone mantle]

i don't keep up with the isle content or anything, so i have no idea what's coming this update

[rare fractal]

I wanna see current Galli on live for a minute

[rare fractal]

Cerato beipi Troodon and Galli

[stone mantle]

but i think i know enough now to just wait for patches before jumping back in 😂😬

[stone mantle]

yeah i know about the upcoming dinos, but that's about it

[rare fractal]

Most of them are functional and quite interesting

I just sorta hate Cerato in its current state

[lucid mauve]

Thats sad i had tons, but point was that you actually had diffrent stenghts. You will prob have alot harder time getting caught off guard vs an allo then you will with a cera etc

[rare fractal]

The only thing differentiating animals in legacy were base stats....so yeah we have that in evrima too, it's just far better

[lucid mauve]

I dont argue that, legacy was good for its time. My point is that if get caught off guard vs an allo as teno. Your friend might not be able to save you, compared to lets say a cera

[stone mantle]

yeeeeeeeeeah... when i first learned cerato was coming i was somewhat excited it was going to be a scavenger, since i'm not aggressive enough to enjoy carno (and i don't really like anything else about it tbh) but too introverted for omni, but i soon realised everyone would play the shiny new dinos which would negate cera's scavenging playstyle, at least until other carnivores are released

[rare fractal]

Oh it's not the playerbase that would do that...cerato is simply designed to be a stellar hunter

It's really just that it's too fast

[stone mantle]

that was before just a few minutes ago lmfao

[rare fractal]

Unfortunately lol

[barren zephyr]

doesn’t cerato have bad stam

[rare fractal]

I'd say it's average

Better than carnos worse than tenos

[barren zephyr]

What are you basing that cerato destroys teno on?

I saw one video but that teno was letting the cera get free headshots

[stone mantle]

i think i'll be playing other games when the update drops, keeping an eye on the state of affairs until it seems worth returning... whether cera's brokenness is a result of feedback from testers or not, it's hard to have any faith in this update, ngl

[barren zephyr]

Really? I feel like the only balance issues are galli, and everyone’s complains about it

[rare fractal]

Gameplay primarily, like I said, 1 can be defended from, 2 delete it with no resistance

It's incredibly onesided

[rare fractal]

Galli is indeed a bit of a weird one

I don't think I'd have as much of an issue with it if it didn't deal...well...any bleed damage

[stone mantle]

cera was said to be too slow to hunt, instead relying on scavenging for food, but being faster than teno it could very easily hunt them and juvis

[stray onyx]

Which seems balanced to me

[barren crater]

(Oh and Pachy still hunts Tenos. Tail slam damage was nerfed)

Not that you would have been surprised

[north quiver]

poor teno always gets the short end of the stick

[barren crater]

2 of them can effectively kill you

[rare fractal]

Nope, because we need to constantly beat the most well designed animal in the roster into the ground because it's too good to be true

[keen rock]

Is there plans to add foliage draw distance for like grass and such? i rly wanna see grass further than 200 ft XD

[north quiver]

@trim mauve you know something’s starting to go wrong when you need a skin filter like BoB lol…

[trim mauve]

fr

white deinos and ceratos 🤮

tbh the skin system was a mistake

[north quiver]

people wanted more colors, so more colors they get I guess. you’re going to see the entire rainbow eventually. I feel like brighter and rainbow colors should’ve been reserved for smaller creatures like hypsi, dryo, etc.

[trim mauve]

also is it just me or did the textures get downgraded once skins came out

[stone mantle]

what's wrong with people wanting to stand out? i agree it sucks that camo skins are a thing but otherwise i don't see the issue with people making albino or colourful skins... most colour choices we have now are pretty natural

[proud coral]

More colors sound fine 😮 I think the main issue people have (myself included) is when a creature is capable of having contrasting mixed colors to where it looks less like a skin and more like someone dropped several paint cans on something 😛

As for albino specifically, most just think it's edgy. Personally though, I want it to be reserved for specific afflictions.

[trim mauve]

whats wrong with people not wanting to see overly birght skins on things that are 8 tons? Why should i have to look at what I think are eye sores. Its not like an option to turn off skins would effect anyone else other than the poeple who enable the setting. If BoB can do it isle can as well.

[proud coral]

Problem with a skin filter is it could easily turn into "meta is to turn off skins so people can't use camo on you" I agree some skins can be quite ugly, but a skin filter is not the way to go ;o;

[trim mauve]

? even with bright skins you can still hide in bushes so that argument isn't really true. Also I find it funny you are calling people who want a skin filter meta goblins while also bringing up camo skins kinda shotting yourself in the foot with that one.

also defeaults blend in pretty well on most playables so I really dont see an issue

bepi might be the only one that stands out alot

[proud coral]

I never called anyone a meta goblin, I just said it could end up being a meta . I just don't think it's a good idea. 🤷

[trim mauve]

and I just outlined why your worries about a skin filter arent founded

[proud coral]

Bright skins can very easily be seen even in bushes Especially with current NV. So I don't really agree with bushes just kind of negating them.

Like unless you are somehow 100% covered, there's gonna be bright speckles sticking out.

[barren zephyr]

It ruins immersion tbf

[barren zephyr]

I doubt that anyone is going to the take the isle that seriously

[gentle flint]

You’d be very surprised lmao

[proud coral]

We've got people spending money on cheats for the game

[barren zephyr]

I guess they could just get rid of some of the ugly colors, some of them need to be removed anyways.

[trim mauve]

Name a single playable whos default would put it at such a disavatange? Besides maybe bepi everythings defaults allow them to hide well. If anything it evens the playing field for those who have bright skins by me applying a filter it being a meta thing just wont happen.

even carno with its red male marking could hide well before skins were added

[barren zephyr]

That's true

[gentle flint]

Some people intentionally design their skins to be more well hidden, it doesn’t even have to be the full camo some people pull or the “meta” whatever you’re talking about. If I’m green and I’m in a bush, I’m less likely to be seen. That’s just how nature works? As opposed to the reds/tans that most playables start as

[proud coral]

I never said the default skins wouldn't work as camouflage, I just think adding a filter for skins can end up having negative effects as well as just overall thinking it's not a good idea.

Just a matter of opinion I guess 🤷

[trim mauve]

it works both ways though so i really dont see it being a meta thing at all if anything it just evens out hte playing field for everyone. Even if it makes some people easier to see it makes a good 60 percent of skins harder to see so I really dont see how it owuld be much of a meta thing. Most camo skins have a similar effectivness for hiding as defaults. It really doesn't affect much

I just find it funny that hiding is such a big concern when a skin filter would litearlly have a good percent of the playerbase as most use brighter skins and camo skins wouldn't be affected to much as defaults on most creatures can be hidden just as well. At this point

[gentle flint]

If people chose to make it an “uneven” playing field that’s really on them? It’s not meant to be fair in the isle more often than not I find lmao, you’re meant to know your limits. The people picking wisely shouldn’t have to be penalized for the others. If you think a skin is too bright, kill them? Rude maybe, but that’s what happens in the wild. Or simply walk away, considering the map is huge and mostly empty anyway.

[trim mauve]

so you admit that a skin filter would put those using it at a disadvantage thus meaning its not a meta thing.

[gentle flint]

No? Lmao, where did you get that?

[trim mauve]

because I would just be at a disadvatange if I used a filter because i wouldnt be able to see bright skins making them harder to spot.

[gentle flint]

But you could see the skins of people who picked more smartly, which is unfair to them and makes the people playing normally at a disadvantage

[trim mauve]

the difference is so slight it might as well not exist between camo and default. Nothing had issues hiding before skins so why would they now?

[indigo belfry]

using pachy as an example, there is a major diffrence between pachy camo skin and defalt

[trim mauve]

if you want me to once the update comes out I will do a side by side and show that the difference is basically none existant for most if not all playables

also the irony in saying a skin filter is meta gaming when you are literally talking about camo skins

[gentle flint]

I’m actually going to test the default skins brb

I’m curious

[indigo belfry]

im you wwant this filter because 'it ruins immergion' having the filter would ruin it because then everyone looks the same and thats not how nature works

[lucid robin]

#general-feedback message
sure, why not. it'd look cool, and everyone is already trying to be all white as deinos. just let em as everything if they don't wanna be unique colors

[barren zephyr]

It's better then the wild differences that are currently in game

[trim mauve]

thats not my reasoning. I just dont like the eye sores.

[lucid robin]

this is not true. for instance, night vision camo as a raptor makes a HUGE difference for hunts and escaping predators. if you could just hide my camo skin, i'd have no idea who could see me easily at night and who couldn't. it'd be a mess.

[trim mauve]

I couldnt care less about realism but me and a decent group of people just dont want to see horrible skins

[indigo belfry]

then leave the group or avoid the people?

[lucid robin]

or kill the people >:]

[indigo belfry]

that works too

[gentle flint]

I already mentioned both of those XD

[trim mauve]

kinda hard when they are everwhere and in a giant cuddle puddle

[indigo belfry]

then switch servers 🙂

[lucid robin]

also you screwed up that phrase. it's "i couldn't care less" because if you could care less then that must mean you don't hate it very much
i know its irrelevant but it annoys me so much when people mess up that saying

[trim mauve]

it was in relation to realism

learn to read

[lucid robin]

sooo you like realism? "i could care less" implies you don't dislike realism.

[trim mauve]

I said couldn't care less and corrected it like a minute after hte fact before you even wrote your reply

so at that moment it didnt apply

[lucid robin]

after the reply but whatevs

[lucid robin]

just gonna ignore this? cuz my camo skin, unlike some, actually works really well

like unbelievably well

if people could hide it, that'd just ruin the whole point of my skins

[hearty sphinx]

Yes. But I think they didn't want an all black dino as it has an advantage at night? But there are camo skins where u can't see people at night so what's the difference?

[trim mauve]

kinda hard to reply to 3 different people buddy

[lucid robin]

true

[indigo belfry]

Personally id rather have to deal with camo skins, and see other peoples pretty skins then everyone just looking the same. expecially when playing with friends i haven't grouped up with yet. know their skin makes finding them so much easier

[trim mauve]

in my experience it barely affects me. Even people with "camo" night vision skins are still free food if you have functioning eyes.

[lucid robin]

all black would stand out more at night lol. in the night vision anyway

[lucid robin]

want me to send you a screenshot? maybe some camo skins suck, but mine is actually very useful.

[trim mauve]

sure

[indigo belfry]

and if your in a herd, know your friends skin who arnt the same species as you is helpful, so if their are canis running around you know who is safe and who isnt

[lucid robin]

1 minute

[trim mauve]

This wouldnt affect the herd im hunting. It would only affect me

[lucid robin]

wtf the isle? i had over 60 screenshots, where tf did they go?

[hearty sphinx]

Exactly it does Currently so I don't see why there is a problem with an all black dino?

[lucid robin]

better be a gui glitch

if all my screenshots are deleted im gonna punch something

[indigo belfry]

it was an example. if you are trying to find someone, the best thing to watch for is their skin, so it would still affect you

[trim mauve]

if anything putting me at a disadvantage. I just see it being used more for people who just dont want to get flash banged because they crested a hill rather than meta gaming. The downsides out wiegh the ups imo for people who do use it and play comptetively.

[lucid robin]

(gimme a few mins to get my screenshot, steam may or may not have deleted all mine)

[indigo belfry]

how are you flash banged? your saturation up that high they bright white like the sun reflecting off metal?

[lucid robin]

OK WE'RE GOOD THE SCREENSHOTS ARE BACK

[trim mauve]

You lose the ability to easily tell targets apart, any bright skins which are most skins you run into are more well camo'd, hunts would be more diffcult etc.

[trim mauve]

joke

[gentle flint]

Okay I’ve officially looked at all the default skins just out of curiosity. I will admit, some of them are okayish for camo. None of them are particularly awful except maybe hypsi, ptera, and carno. I don’t know about any of the new playables.

I admittedly don’t know what it was like before skins so I can’t really argue the point “what about before them”, I’ll give you that much, but a lot of people pick their skins right now because it lets them grow more easily. I’ve seen some really ugly skins because people are vulnerable as babies. Like a fat baby stego. That’s just how it’s supposed to work, if you’re dumb and pick a bright skin, then perish? But babies can’t do anything except pray and use their colors to their advantage. Take that away and they’re just walking meat sacks. Sure, the default skin isn’t totally atrocious, but there’s a huge difference about what you can see when sitting around. If I’m in ANY foliage, the tans of the default skins are STARK. And spoiler, that’s where most babies chose to grow.

And this is a survival game, so the competitive argument isn’t really in your favor. The devs have said this isn’t a fighting game, it’s a game where you’re meant to LIVE. If a skin helps you do that, I don’t see the problem. If you chose to forgo that and make yourself a beacon, that’s also on you and you suffer the risks of being obliterated for it.

[trim mauve]

its like 3 downsides from one okayish upside

[lucid robin]

@trim mauve okay i found one screenshot, i cant find a better one rn so ill send a better one once i get it. but in this picture i'm a baby raptor with my camo skin. nearly invisible. ill get an adult pic in a minute

crap quality, gimme a few mins

[indigo belfry]

if i didnt know what to look for in that picture i wouldnt see it

[lucid robin]

the face is here

[trim mauve]

so I was right

coudl you test it with default aganist that?

or is that default

[lucid robin]

ill try to get screenshots of both. that's my camo skin

[trim mauve]

ighty

[lucid robin]

ill do camo and default but itll take a sec

[trim mauve]

take your time man

[lucid robin]

gotta hop on the free admin serv and convince ppl to allow me to make it night for a few minutes xD, that might be hard

[indigo belfry]

if you want we can do side by side

may i message you?

[lucid robin]

my dms are closed, but i can put the 2 images side by side in my editor thing i have

[indigo belfry]

okey

[lucid robin]

female or male skin, if u care?

[trim mauve]

fair enough

[trim mauve]

either or works

[lucid robin]

ill just do female

okay i got the screenshots, default on the left, my camouflage on the right. it's a very significant difference! (i'm still proud of how good my camo turned out, mainly cuz i discovered how to make the skin on my own)

@trim mauve

also @indigo belfry cuz u might care

[trim mauve]

okay yea ill agree with you on that one. Must of just been bad camos

[indigo belfry]

i do :> and having a chance to be basically invible is nice expecially if you just want to vibe

[lucid robin]

if you do it right, its reeeally good lol. but ive seen the bad camo skins too

daytime camo is so hard to make fr though, ive never made a very effective day camo skin. night camo is way easier

[trim mauve]

i hadn't played the game in a decent bit due to me just not liking the balancing so my bad for the bad memory lol

[trim mauve]

are tans the colors that enable night time camos to be that good?

or is it like shades of green

[lucid robin]

redacteD

it takes a little trial and error.

copy that pls cuz imma delete it in a second, i dont want my secrets revealed to everyone permanently lol

[trim mauve]

lol its ight

I usually just run defaults anyway

[lucid robin]

casually deletes it

[trim mauve]

lol

[lucid robin]

redacteD-s it

[hidden scroll]

ok dose anyone else game get major lag spiks every so often ???

cause if so how do you go about fixing that

[drifting rose]

@summer thistle i feel that would ruin the aggresive nature of the cera

[urban flax]

@meager wasp Why should troodon, a venomous predator, grow faster than hypsi which is a third of its size and a herbivore ?