general-feedback-discussion

[magic magnet]

I use my senses

[swift summit]

I then proceed to tap my toe and find out where other dinos r

[lapis swallow]

Shut up, you use a map

[swift summit]

Map nub

[whole furnace]

LMAO shut down

[magic magnet]

No only with my friend

[whole furnace]

Still use a map

[swift summit]

MAP USEEEEER

[magic magnet]

If I was solo I never need it

[whole furnace]

SHAME ON THE MAP USERRR

[swift summit]

Still uses map with friend SHAME

[magic magnet]

If there’s a map in the game lol

[swift summit]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[whole furnace]

DISHONOR ON YOU! DISHONOR ON YO FAMILY! DISHONOR ON YO COW!

[lapis swallow]

Leave the cow alone

[magic magnet]

Interesting

[swift summit]

DISHONOR ON UR GOAT

DISHONOR TO UR DOG

[lapis swallow]

Wtf, the poor goat

[swift summit]

DISHONOR TO UR SWEAT

[whole furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-mushu-dishonor-cow-family-gif-12128639

[lapis swallow]

Not the dog, cmon man

[swift summit]

DISHONOR TO UR DANM PET ANT

[magic magnet]

[lapis swallow]

Hey, I saved your goat, dog and cow. Sorry for yourself, your family, ant and sweat.

[magic magnet]

No problem

[lapis swallow]

Have a nice day

[swift summit]

@whole furnace may I ask what is happening to ur pfp

[magic magnet]

You too

[rigid grotto]

@barren zephyr there already plans for large ai on the roadmap
https://trello.com/b/G5tsb4XI/public-roadmap

[whole furnace]

It’s Big Jack Horner from puss in boots

[swift summit]

Danm bro ate a few to many chicken wings

[whole furnace]

He BIG

[swift summit]

Yes

[rigid grotto]

@balmy igloo please explain how your idea would allow for the dino to die

[balmy igloo]

@rigid grotto the "stun" would allow a period of time for the Troodon pack to bite at the weakpoints, stacking bleed, the times that it reaches the seizure point could invoke a 10-15% stam consumption.

[rigid grotto]

but the whole point of the troodon venom is to kill. and with a stunning toxin like you suggest would not work because of there incredibly weak biteforce.
but i do like the idea of a neurotoxin dino so i think it would work better with a slightly larger dino.

[balmy igloo]

@rigid grotto I think it would work well given that I believe I saw somewhere that bleed is intended to stack in the future. In my mind it would be the only immersive way for Troodon to have a clear visual indication that the dosage was administered correctly

@rigid grotto I wasn't aware that the venom was intended to kill for Troodon but sure it would work better for Dilo.

[barren zephyr]

#general-feedback message

Anybody to take a moment to discuss ^

[wheat knot]

<@&933486433342222376> Someone is advertising their twitch in the general feedback

[oblique crown]

Got it

[teal moat]

most probably already discussed but... Sunset at North?!?

[frozen heron]

@severe saffron Why is all of your feedback just dinosaur suggestions? They're not adding anymore dinosaurs, especially ones like Gorgosaurus and Mapusaurus that are just clones of Giga and Alberto. The only playables the devs may add is going to be at their own discretion. Your other suggestions are literally just dinosaurs that exist in the roster already.

[sullen delta]

@brave sonnet https://youtu.be/Q7AKTRIMBlU

it works, just make sure to follow every step

[brave sonnet]

@sullen delta im going to look into that thank you!

[sullen delta]

i did it yesterday

👍

[barren zephyr]

No, west

[teal moat]

Literally showing compas pointing north and sun behind it

[barren zephyr]

U sure thats the sun

[north quiver]

@severe saffron we already got 4 playables coming next update, which is a very rare phenomenon. there’s probably not going to be more added

[rare fractal]

Yet another pls add X playable post! Add it to the tally!

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[limber hull]

HES STILL GOING

he actually wrote more than a wikipedia excerpt this time , actually got some gameplay niches

1. Dilo that spits venom. Off to an amazing start.
2. Omnivore theri. Arguably the least offensive of these
3. Diplo. Because people need a bigger, even more unkillable herbi than stego. But for some reason it can die to cerato???? Epic.
4. Spino, which now has an even matchup with theri for some reason and can "catch dryosaurus" which feels awfully limited

Overall very amusing and I see why all of these animals need to be added in the same update surely they will only contribute to the ecosystem

[latent olive]

I love the dude

Man is undaunted in his quest for next playable

[urban flax]

Next update will have 20 new dinos fr

[limber hull]

except he doesnt base it on literally anything, just whatever dino pops to mind

[latent olive]

I also love how he’s completely ignoring paleo accuracy except for the times where he copy pastes translations from a website

[latent olive]

a man true to his desires

[limber hull]

like how do spino, theri and diplo POSSIBLY contribute to the current roster?

they don't

[latent olive]

realises tyrannosaurus rex exists, immediately makes a post on it

[limber hull]

besides spino contesting deino and stego, i guess, but it's also on the same level as a theri

[latent olive]

I demand he has access to no slow mode in general feedback

[limber hull]

the only properly interesting thing he suggested was omnivore theri

but i do feel it being a violent as hell herbi is still funnier, rather than it killing because it has to

[urban flax]

Theri better be a fan of honey

[latent olive]

theri being a fan of slaughter and murder

[limber hull]

i only agree with the recent general feedback because 10 minutes ago i got silenced for saying the big f word

[barren zephyr]

[limber hull]

@gentle briar not even stress testers have it, cool your jets, there's very valid reasons the update can't be launched

i want it as much as you but i respect the fact that its not that simple

They're porting over to a new engine, I don't know how I can express to you that that is no easy task

It is not time until it's ready

It's not ready, there's major issues that would make the release unplayable.

[frozen heron]

Bro suggests dinosaurs that are already planned for the roster

[limber hull]

we wait as long as is necessary

thats how it is

there's also no "VIP" treatment

the only people getting it early are QA, who have NDAs signed and are expected to fulfil a role in the development

VIPs generally don't have to do tedious work and write up elaborate reports for thousands of unique bugs and issues daily as new private builds are constantly shipped out, to which they must retest

[urban flax]

@blissful latch sorry to ping, but what's the problem with my idea in your opinion ?

[blissful latch]

No need to apologise, my thing is that I don't want to give rewards to ppl for nesting in, they get a big enough advantage imo. Literally spawn in with designated protectors

[urban flax]

Fair
But there's also the downside of needing extra growth

[blissful latch]

I haven't timed it myself but it never feels much longer to me, that could be a me problem though. It's never put me off nesting in to essentially spawn with a free pack/herd

[rare fractal]

It’s also sorta fun being a helpless fetus for a little bit with a tribe to protect you

I find the additional growth time in that regard Kinda fun

And the diets you get from your parents usually make up for the growth time increase

[blissful latch]

True

[blissful latch]

Also in terms of ur feedback, I have a feeling that would cause performance issues, but I don't know anything about making a game

[limber hull]

@urban flax I do think hereditary perks are nice, but forcing uniqpe to only be passed down through nesting is... Ehhh

[urban flax]

I thought it was better than it not being passed down at all

[limber hull]

Personally, I think elder perks are a pretty clever idea

[urban flax]

Funnily, I thought people would be opposed to my idea because of clans, not because they just don't want inheritable perks ^^

[limber hull]

Think about it, we have short-term progression (juvi to adult/elder), and we have long-term progression (repeated lifecycles to improve yourself in gradual ways for future runs)

If you have it that you lose ALL of those passed down elder perks upon dying, that creates an EXTREMELY hardcore and punishing system for those who wish to engage with it (which isn't everyone because perks won't really matter for stuff like combat)

Elder perks essentially permit long-term progression while not artificially boosting growth times, ensure juvi becomes more frequent as players opt to die and start again with benefits, and prevent the whole "fight everything, death is meaningless" mindset

[urban flax]

But then it gives even more of an advantage to people who can play hundreds of hours per week ?

Although it all depends on what elder perks actually do, which is a huge conjecture...

[limber hull]

Depends on how perks are done. It's been specified combat perks are being avoided

[urban flax]

Yeah, but the point of a perk is to provide a bonus in some form of another

[limber hull]

Again, if it isn't creating a meta, we should be fine

[urban flax]

Speaking about this, since all of this elder system is very reminiscent of roguelikes, I would love to see "cursed" perks with huge benefits but also massive drawbacks

With the drawbacks usually outweighting the benefits, unless you play them very well

[limber hull]

That'd be interesting. Having safe, standard, boring perks, and then massive gameplay shifting perks as options

You can opt to avoid the massive swaps to stay a more vanilla path, or get experimental

[limber hull]

@ivory cedar they didnt change omni's name to "add a feathered version later as another animal"

utahraptor and omniraptor are planned to be completely different animals with seperate niches, playstyles, animations, sounds so on. Omniraptor gets changed in name because it's not utahraptor, and likely won't ever be feathered because it's already supposed to be heavily fictionalised

[ivory cedar]

Ok, my bad. but still they should add feathers/fluff to dinosaurs that actually had them irl

[limber hull]

as for galli, they have in-lore reasons shown in the glance sheet as to why it doesn't have feathers, being a completely different animal in the lineage of AE creations, so far as to even have different behaviours from the feathered version, because again, it's heavily fictionalised from the original animal

there existed a canon "feathered galli", but said galli wasn't omnivorous, nor did it have a tendency for baby killing

[ivory cedar]

well ok. i actually didnt know the isle had some sort of lore like this. just thought it was a dinosaur game where they tried to have focus on realism

[urban flax]

Many people believe that

[limber hull]

they basically dont really focus on realism that much, the game itself is littered with human structures, massive electrical barriers, mutant animals, mutant humans, a machine capable of making all of it that's worshipped as a god and a bioengineering company

[ivory cedar]

yea i was thinking more on like the atmosphere and the dinosaurs in general

[limber hull]

i mean, the atmosphere has human structures

And most of the dinosaurs are fictionalised in some manner

Omniraptor existing, carno and pachy able to ram things, tenonto doing basically everything it does

Like the map we can play on right now has both evidence of modern humans, and the tribal humans AE created

[rare fractal]

Not sure why, the game's performance shouldn't tank because each player is capable of making a nest, it's basically just the games standard way of handling nests existing only it's more common...plus it's just a thing that...should exist, the game should be capable of handling assets like that existing, especially since there's no animations tied to them

[blissful latch]

maybe u rite, I just know corpses tank performance so idk if nests could be similar

[rare fractal]

I'm not entirely sure how performance is impacted, but something to take into account would be that corpses have active physics and behave uniquely, they also contain a ton of smaller assets like organs and bones, nests only have physics in the sense that they're objects, but nothing else would really be impacting performance...as far as I'm aware the game would process a nest about the same as it'd process a rock or a tree

maybe a LITTLE bit more intensive but not as much as a body

[blissful latch]

I agree with u, but corpses did affect performance before the gore update, they were simpler assets back then. But this is just thinking aloud

[rare fractal]

The physics interactions are probably what's causing the most performance issues over the assets just existing, if it was then any bush that grows fruit would be crashing games constantly

Like mangos and oranges would be FAR more performance heavy than corpses if it was based primarily on asset count

[lilac bolt]

while i really enjoy spino thats something that should wait until way later till hopefully most of the dinos are well balanced since adding in one of the apexs no one want to play as most of the other dinos due to spino being that much stronger as you can see with most playing as dieno or stego but from what i've seen well probably get diablo and maybe dilo if any dinos in the next update it just depends

[blissful latch]

Fair point

[lilac bolt]

i don't think its mainly on asset count since stuff like mangos and pumpkins are overall low poly compared to something like a dino corpse also would help with performance if the entire map was loaded in at one time when most of it you can't explore

[lilac bolt]

yeah its probably mainly on dino corpses and im not sure if it does but it could be water physics as well but im not sure if those load in a certain range or not

[limber hull]

@steady rampart where was the minmi/anky thing said?

[steady rampart]

Anky and Minmi were said to be able to walk on the seafloor. I’ll see if I can show you

[limber hull]

I knew that, but I didn't think they were confirmed to come soon

[steady rampart]

I said “sooner or later.” Generally meaning once they come in the near future.

[barren zephyr]

The amount of times that i had broken bones trying to land on a tree, or when i do succesfully land and latch on when taking off its so bugged

[jagged jewel]

Bro what suggestion is this

Give me the link i need to see it

[urban flax]

#general-feedback message

[jagged jewel]

This makes literally no sense

400 kg dilo that spits venom and lives in groups exclusively from 2-3

[limber hull]

love it

[jagged jewel]

And I love the coniferous forests of spiro and gateway

Why can cera kill diplo and spino catch...dyro??

[limber hull]

spino is a natural predator to dryo

[jagged jewel]

Like, the croc?? Or the dino??

[limber hull]

cera is a natural predator to diplo

[jagged jewel]

Of course my bad

[limber hull]

i assumed this was known

[jagged jewel]

Spino has big leg

Spino big, dryo small, dryo dead

[limber hull]

could you imagine if spino got added and one of its defining features is that it can grab dryo and dryo-sized animals

awesome creature

[jagged jewel]

It's special mechanic is to boost towards specifically any dryo in its field of vision to kill it

[limber hull]

I like how he picked one of the smallest goddamn animals for spino to kill lol

[jagged jewel]

Yeah that too, why dryo of all things

And if he actually means dyro, why is he talking about a random cenozoic croc

[limber hull]

HE'S MOVED ON FROM DINOS

[tall hearth]

I mean hes on the right track with this suggestion lol

[urban flax]

This one is actually pretty good
apart from the candy bars and the "for the next update" part

[limber hull]

he says next update for all of them, for some reason

[urban flax]

btw I love the LARP spear image ^^

[latent olive]

impatient man

[limber hull]

@earnest saddle look at this man and tell me how he is picking anything up with these

i could pick more things up with my feet than he can

[earnest saddle]

Like a rabbit

[limber hull]

how he gonna do that

[earnest saddle]

They don’t have webbed feet

Their feet are for clinging and grabbing things

[urban flax]

Their feet are good for nothing

[limber hull]

How

I need you to LOOK at the feet in that picture

[earnest saddle]

Whatever

[limber hull]

It's like trying to pick up a rock with a plastic ruler

[earnest saddle]

That is funny

Oh well

I guess ur kind of right about that

[limber hull]

Pictured: Feet meant for picking things up. Claw shape makes it good.

Ptera's feet are barely even feet tbh. It's genuinely just... Horrible at using its feet for much more than walking and standing

[earnest saddle]

Ok

Then explain this

[gleaming plinth]

is it a bug when it sais that the server is full, even tho theres 73 people of the 100 in it?

[limber hull]

I'm not sure what I'm meant to explain

[limber hull]

comic book

[earnest saddle]

Look at the image

[limber hull]

i did

comic book

[earnest saddle]

Ptera grabbing a person

[limber hull]

actually it says "ptero soarer"

so its not a ptera

explained

:)

[earnest saddle]

Dammit you got a point

[uneven mist]

Also…damn paper feet

[limber hull]

lmao man's got some SLAPPERS

[earnest saddle]

Ok fine

I will admit I guess ptera can’t grab thing with it’s feet

[limber hull]

A happy ending

[earnest saddle]

Lol

Gg

[forest mulch]

Why on earth do we have a climax emote 💀

[limber hull]

a what

[forest mulch]

le cumming emote

[limber hull]

we dont have that what are you talking about

deranged

[forest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

look at it

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[limber hull]

what emote

[forest mulch]

[limber hull]

what???

thats crying what are you talking about

how do you even see that

[lapis swallow]

Wtf, why lebron james niche?

[limber hull]

where do you even see that

[forest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-bhondamous-gif-22025607

[limber hull]

listen its important

i am thinking and its hurting my brain to understand what the hell you're on about

[forest mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063882137188708465/1089233049385975858/maxresdefault.png

[limber hull]

i dont

i dont know

[forest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/aesthetic-skull-gif-20895944

[limber hull]

you're a psycho

[tall hearth]

I know what you're talking about but believe me, it is not anything like that. Sir you need help. Go see a therapist asap

[forest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-no-u-gif-14873396

[tall hearth]

Yeah I said that but I need less help than you

[forest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-smadging-gif-26061412

[tall hearth]

We got an exceptionally funny individual here

A prime jokester

[forest mulch]

ikr 😭

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr

In a lot of reptile groups, including avian and non-avian dinosaurs, choanas and the opening that leads to the esophagus (the glotis) are separate

The oral cavity has a mainly two big openings which are the chona and the glotis; air and food do not share one same duct

Unlike mammals where both passages converge at some point

In mammals the epiglotis filters out food from entering the trachea because both the mouth and the choanas lead to a singular duct

Which is why that mouth screenshot you shared looks very unfamiliar

[swift summit]

wtf is that

see that rock to the left imagine if there was a small hole for baby dino

would be cool so big dinos cant kill him

[barren zephyr]

Ohh ok that makes sense - I’ve seen that similar thing on snakes and stuff but I didn’t understand why it would be on something like carnotaurus. That makes much more sense now

[small anchor]

@barren zephyr The filter is already added some words get filter as " ******** ***""

[small anchor]

btw i think it just goes with the n word

it wont filter any other insult ig

[frozen heron]

Nah, you cant say basic swears either

[small anchor]

i saw ppl can

also i

[barren zephyr]

And the f slur

[tame raptor]

goddang my diplo attack suggestion has no dislike

[small anchor]

how it will get dislike when its something that must be added

[small anchor]

fu. ?

[tame raptor]

i mean people seem very picky on the isle suggestions, it just is surprising that got not 1 dislike

[barren zephyr]

No, fa

[small anchor]

fat?

[small anchor]

lmaoo

[barren zephyr]

Lemme just dm you - i can reclaim it dw

[tame raptor]

reply to this if any suggestion comments

@barren zephyr i like the idea of a more agile crocodilian!

[barren zephyr]

And plus something like a carno or a teno would actually be able to fight it

[lapis swallow]

Why do these random playable suggestions keep coming?

[tame raptor]

because we want diverse dinosaur choises

[barren zephyr]

It likely would only be able to hold down pachy or utah, its pounce more just grabbing onto adult carnos

[tame raptor]

yeah who let deinos cook anyway

[barren zephyr]

Frr

[lapis swallow]

We have 56 planned playables

[barren zephyr]

Kapro takes all of the Ws deinos drop

It honestly would be a good REPLACEMENT for deino, but I’m not complaining

[tame raptor]

theres only like 1 person in the discord who has the list so a lot of people just shrug it off

[lapis swallow]

Also, how would kapro survive without looking stupid?

Its max 6 meters long

[tame raptor]

[lapis swallow]

And it wont do much on land

[barren zephyr]

It likely sat under the water and pounced out at small things

[barren zephyr]

It’s actually closer to 8 or 10

[lapis swallow]

As, in poisonous meat or stuff like that

[tame raptor]

its smaller and therefore can hide better

[barren zephyr]

Pursuit predator. It’s fast. It’s agile. A trio of them could take down an adult carno.

[lapis swallow]

Juvie deino niche?

[barren zephyr]

No more like carno but hides in water instead of bushes

[lapis swallow]

So they are gonna be a mix of omni and juvie deino, but somehow worse at both? Great idea

[barren zephyr]

What.

Like where are you even getting any of that

[tame raptor]

oh god the NPCs startin to dislike my suggestion, they dont even have pfps

[barren zephyr]

Frr

[tame raptor]

bruh whats your beef?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah what do you have against long legged crocodile

[lapis swallow]

3 omnis can take down a carno and juvie croc is quite mobile with ambush abilities

[barren zephyr]

Juvi croc is not mobile in the slightest

And no it doesn’t have ambush abilities

[lapis swallow]

What about sub croc?

Also, how would kapro be a pursuit predator?

[barren zephyr]

Turn radius is garbage, stam is garbage on land

[barren zephyr]

It would jump out of the water at something, and chase it down as the prey runs away

[lapis swallow]

So croc, but worse?

[barren zephyr]

Also it would be more swamp oriented, it isn’t an amazing swimmer but thrives in moist environments

[barren zephyr]

More like croc but better

[lapis swallow]

So bary?

[lapis swallow]

Why? Croc can instakill everything kapro would be able to kill

[barren zephyr]

On four legs and with a different hunting style and different body type, diet, and capabilities

[barren zephyr]

It has a different playstyle - and plus what beef do you have against kapro

[lapis swallow]

How do you make it viable without being outcompeted by juvie/sub deinos?

[barren zephyr]

It’s more agile and land oriented

[tame raptor]

how does a raptor not get killed by carnos

[barren zephyr]

Kapro could likely compete with carno in speed

[lapis swallow]

Wtf

[tame raptor]

in water yeah

[barren zephyr]

Anywho I’ve gotta go do some work

[tame raptor]

ok

[lapis swallow]

How? Kapro aint swimming 55.5 kmh

That would just look silly

[tame raptor]

im only human after all, dont put the drama on me

[harsh breach]

@barren zephyr I like the kaprosuchus idea! I think it would fit well. Plus it’s a strange looking animal and it would be cool to see

[lapis swallow]

I just want to point out that the abilities that you two would give kapro make zero sense at all.

[tame raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-rory-charles-graham-rag-n-bone-man-turning-around-the-room-is-spinning-gif-18986961

[tame raptor]

but yeah i thought he was implying it could run 55.5kmh

[lapis swallow]

That is also weird.

Can you imagine kapro running at the speed of a carno?

[tame raptor]

noone safe from that thing then

theyd have to balance it by adding some major attack nerfs

[lapis swallow]

or just not add it because it is not needed in my opinion

[tame raptor]

we still aiming for different experiences per creature, the more unique experiences the less people will get bored!

imagine having eventually 56 different ways to play? would be so fantastic!

[lapis swallow]

the isle has a issue with roster bloat, they will have issues making all of them unique. They should remove stuff from the planned roster, not add stuff

[tame raptor]

i mean my suggestion offered replacing brontosaurus because it has the same gameplay style as brachiosaurus

we should find dinosaurs that dont need to be in the bracket and sort it out

[tardy talon]

sure, but the way i see it kapro has a lot more unique potential than stuff like rugops, styraco, or camara. why not axe those and add something that could actually fill a unique and interesting role

[valid robin]

I love the idea of a Kapro, I think it would definitely be a fun dino to play for both aquatic and land gameplay

[uneven mist]

@nimble cliff you mean for omni or utah? Sometimes its hard to tell but anyways our omni kinda has that niche now tbh

[nimble cliff]

Maybe, they are both similar already and I am not in the best of condition, maybe tomorrow I can edit it.

[hexed flume]

this game is not fun at all u die the minute u spawn in how is that fun someone please explain like i spawn as carno i died by a carno why is carno eating its own species why it shouldnt be a thing just like utah

[rigid grotto]

because carnos are cannibals

[rare fractal]

Everything sorta is

[rigid grotto]

well its doesnt matter because when new dinos get added they will just complain that they die to them
and there are more cannibals because there isnt any su eggs

[rare fractal]

Well also…overpopulation is a thing that people constantly police if they feel it’s necessary

Bottom line there is almost always a reason for any player to attack another

[crystal trail]

@barren zephyr You'd be surprised by the amount of aggressive vitriol cleared up by the censorship of swear words, which heavily cuts down on moderation resources. There are plenty of ways for us to express ourselves without resorting to vulgar words.

[desert quarry]

@brave sonnet You don't have to reinstall each time. There are dozens of tutorials on YouTube showing how to have both Legacy and Evrima installed at the same time. I'm honestly surprised you've sat through hours of reinstalls and never spent a few mins looking to see if it was possible to have both installed at once.

[barren crater]

If the censorship is staying, would it be possible for the timeout to not exist? So only the message gets blocked

[brave sonnet]

@desert quarry yeah im talking about a way thru steam that will allow me to have both in my library at once someone did show me tye tutorial when i posted that feedback

[feral solstice]

^^^^

[crystal trail]

Weird, it shouldn't be timing anyone out

I recall specifically not setting that up, lemme see

[crystal trail]

Fixed

[barren crater]

Sweet

[limber hull]

wait the timeout is gone

I CAN BE CARELESS AGAIN

[feral solstice]

Average Punch W

[last lily]

HALLELUJAH

[barren zephyr]

Well tbf I cannot see the statistics you can, so I didn't really had the information to judge how much it helps against people with actual malicious intent, so I guess I kinda overlooked that. Big part of my frustration came from the timeout tho, when I responded to someone with a wall of text and I had a word like "sh!t" in it and got timed out. Happened with me multiple times and I just got tired of it. But as I see the timeout part wasn't on purpose and now it's fixed, so that makes it less annoying and I don't mind it that much.

[unborn quail]

wait

timeout gone

[zinc meadow]

proceeds to test if it's gone

[unborn quail]

that i did

[zinc meadow]

[sweet hollow]

@harsh breach why

[barren zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-weird-face-mouth-open-ninja-uzumaki-naruto-gif-17585816

[limber hull]

@tidal rose death is an option. aging is not

[tidal rose]

Aging should be an option

[limber hull]

i disagree

so does dondi actually

[urban flax]

I think aging should be an option irl, but in-game it can make for an interesting gameplay loop

Almost all of my favorite games are roguelikes, which are almost always built around unavoidable death

[limber hull]

dondi basically said "we're not going to force you to die, but you have to get old eventually"

@tidal rose instead of keeping things alive for as long as possible, you could instead keep a bloodline going for as long as possible, going elder, dying, then respawning and doing it again. That'd be infinitely more impressive than keeping an adult alive for a while

[tidal rose]

I disagree to an extent. I have found satisfaction in nesting. Raising hatchlings then seeing the hatchlings make nests and on and on. Butyou dont have to die to do that though.

[limber hull]

No, as in

You literally pass down perks to your next animal of that kind when you die of old age as elder

[tidal rose]

I mean look. Id be far less against that idea if the old age wasnt forced on people. If you want to grow old and die and unlock things then sure go ahead. But being forced to is just lame

It makes me feel like its pointless to grow, it feels like a punishment sadly

Diets atm are fine, but originally they were do punishing and tedious i stopped playing for a while

[limber hull]

i dont see how old age makes it pointless, and you aren't forced to die

you just grow old

you can live for as long as you want

[lapis swallow]

But how do you get the perks then?

[tidal rose]

Being old and weak is a death sentence. Many people treat isle like dino fight simulator. While i prefer to simply do the things i need to survive. If theres a dead carno ill eat that instead of dighting the other carno etc. But having you mega nerfed is death. People will run up to you and kill you because they can

Saying you arent forced to die means nothing if you actuslly are by the means of being old and weak

[limber hull]

choosing to die of old age

you can choose to die, you dont choose to age

[tidal rose]

Thats the problem. Read what i said

[limber hull]

many people treat the isle like dino fight sim, which i assume the devs want to stop by making actual worthwhile progression along multiple generations and an aging system

[limber hull]

we have no clue how weak the final elder stage is

[tidal rose]

True

But based off what they have said the elder sounds near useless

[limber hull]

i dont see why its such a huge deal that people who treat The Isle as dino fight sim actually now have survival goals and objectives, and have a sense of finality and greater progression, rather than just reaching adult and then throwing themselves at everything

[tidal rose]

But thats the thing. I feel punished because i didnt just throw myself at everything. I always treated isle like a real survival game unless im doing some gimmick like ptera cannibal only run or something. Im being forced to die now while i want to survive for longer even if perks are involved

I dont care about the perks

[limber hull]

its like those who say they should be allowed to freeze growth at sub deino, because it's stronger and they would rather it than adult

[tidal rose]

Thats different. Thats people wanting power. I dont want to be punished

Just like i hated the initial diet system

It was punishing

[limber hull]

but you get rewarded for starting again

you also get even stronger in your elder state than adults

[tidal rose]

I dont care about being stronger in elder stage lol

[limber hull]

it really doesnt make much sense to make elders optional imho

just completely forgoing an entire part of the lifecycle and growth path because you dont feel like it doesnt seem logical

[tidal rose]

It does to me. If you want a final glory sort of period then get your perks. Go ahead and turn elder. But let me do my thing and dont force it

Its a video game. Forcing you to die isnt fun or interesting. Its punishing

[topaz pendant]

@limber hull any reason for the x (not being rude just curious) #general-feedback message

[limber hull]

I find the whole "The tropical type of map is really boring and the entire map is very similar" isn't a fair statement when I find it infinitely more interesting than what we had with legacy with temperate forests

[topaz pendant]

Kk

[lapis swallow]

How do you guys feel about permanent perks?

[limber hull]

i'd prefer if the elder perks you got from dying from old age all went away when your dino dies of any other means

basically meaning you have super long game runs with high risk

but it incentivises replaying

permanent just means eventually you'll be entirely kitted out and every future playthrough will be like that

[lapis swallow]

But its so random. You spawn in from just dieing of old age and you get spawnkilled? L, I guess

Didnt you also say that RNG is bad for a game?

And that sounds like rng

[limber hull]

not... really?

how is that rng

[lapis swallow]

Its bad luck

It was badly worded from me

But still, if you spawn inside your spawnpoint and a carni spots you while you are spawning in, you are done. No counterplay, no skill, no anything. Just bad luck

[limber hull]

in gateway, not only are there TONS more spawn locations, but said spawn locations are specific per animal

[lapis swallow]

But the fact that you could get spawnkilled and just lose your perks, sounds very bad to me

[limber hull]

i really dont think spawnkilling is that huge an issue

its extremely rare for it to happen in my experience

[lapis swallow]

Also there is deino that can just instadelete you because you dared to drink

[limber hull]

On the other hand, having perks be permanent ensures new players are always worse off than old players, and that you can grind them out within a few days to have a perfectly kitted out dino with all the elder perks

[lapis swallow]

Then lets not do combat perks

[limber hull]

That doesn't really change my point

Combat or not

The old player is still superior to the new player

[lapis swallow]

But getting your perks yoinked because you needed to drink and a random deino passed by does not sound fun or like good game design either

[limber hull]

That's going to happen anyway in a regular lifecycle

[lapis swallow]

But you just die with the regular cycle

Also losing your perks is double punishment

[limber hull]

You'd also be losing your perks

There's elder perks and regular perks

Regular perks, all gone once that deino grabs you

[lapis swallow]

I would not like my perks to be yoinked just because I got unlucky

[limber hull]

Elder perks could or could not be permanent, we don't know, but I don't see why they need to be permanent.

[limber hull]

That's a shame because that's probably what's happening

Not every perk is permanent, the only thing that has a chance of being permanent are elder perks

Which are are only obtained by completing the elder cycle

This feels like you have more of an issue with deino than my proposed system

[lapis swallow]

What is the difference between normal and elder perks?

[lapis swallow]

I have a issue with both

[limber hull]

Normal perks are obtained in a single life as you grow older.

Elder perks are obtained from dying of old age, and are put on your next animal

[lapis swallow]

Ok

[limber hull]

Trello description:
"As players progress to their various growth milestones they'll have the option to select between a variety of perks, designed to support a varied playstyle."

When you die, you lose the growth milestones and also the perks you chose

[lapis swallow]

So you get perks that you will always have and perks that you get and lose with one life?

[limber hull]

"Always have", we don't know

[lapis swallow]

If it is like that, then I am fine with ir

[limber hull]

I hope they aren't perma

Think it's super lame to be able to grind out an animal and then you've reached max progression on it and that's it

i doubt its going to be particularly hard to reach elder and die naturally

[lapis swallow]

Its one playable of many, on one server. That is hundreds of hours of gameplay on just one server

[limber hull]

idk what you mean by that

[lapis swallow]

That you can could spend many maxing out stuff on your prefered server

So limited time wont be a issue, at least for me

[burnt bone]

Isn’t that kinda just how this game already works? With growth and all? Like someone who just spawned as a juvie deino is going to be obliterated if it tries to fight someone who grew to adult.

[lapis swallow]

He meant as in "both are adult and the old player is still stronger/better than the new player because of perks"

[burnt bone]

Eh, again, if it isn’t combat related, I don’t see a difference personally. It’s like saying someone who grew an Omni should be on par with some who grew a Rex since they’re both adult. That person with the perks put in over 2x the time into the game and doesn’t even have a combat bonus.

Essentially, this game already has a foundation of the player who spent more time is generally stronger, so I don’t see an issue with a minor boost in something that isn’t combat related being that big of an offense.

[tidal rose]

@limber hull about losing perks on death. Ive literally spawned in front of a charging carno twice and died instantly haha

[limber hull]

@sleek shuttle there's going to be 4 land carnis and 5 land herbis in U6.5, i fail to see the issue here.

There's literally going to be more carnis than herbis in U6.5

also i dont get this obsession with defeating stego when deino can already do that if it's good (and it's already the infinitely stronger animal)

[sleek shuttle]

Stego, Teno, Gali, hypsi, (not much of an issue to be fair) beipi, and patchy compared to, carno, Utah, cera and trodon, plus in my personal opinion I feel like a pair of skilled deinos or a mega Utah pack shouldn’t be the only ways to fairly and properly bring down a single/pair of stegos

[limber hull]

galli and beipi are not herbis

they're omnivores

[sleek shuttle]

Doesn’t really make much of difference looking at their play styles lmao, I mean I can’t say much as their not out yet but I really don’t see galli eating a teno or beipi eating a stego lmao

They serve similar roles to a herbi from what I can see

[limber hull]

They have strict diets, so they won't eat massive things, but they aren't herbis, they can eat meat.

Also deino is infinitely more problematic than stego, because while it takes a coordinated omni pack, or a deino duo (or one actually competent deino) to kill stego, nothing can kill deino if deino doesn't want to die, except deino

stegos can't do it because deinos can easily swim away, under or around them

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, most the time a deino isn’t an issue as they’re not hard to avoid most the time, if you need water there’s plenty of dead areas in river where you most likely won’t find a deino or just shallow areas you can cross or drink from, stego however is a target for most carnivores and can theoretically chase you down granted it’s slow so it’s not common but personally I feel if your smart your chances of getting capped by a stego are higher than say a deino

[limber hull]

no way, stego is way harder to die to. It's big, it's obvious, you can easily walk away. Deino attacks by surprise, you have no way to prepare yourself, and it can one-tap up to 4 ton animals, vastly outdoing stego's measly 1250 damage per tailswing

[sleek shuttle]

Again if you’ve spent any time as deino there are tons of river areas that are usually dead, you could get unlucky and stumble across one that happens to be passing through but I find it rare, if you’re just smart and knowledgeable of the map and hotspots you can easily reduce your chances for a deino attack to practically zero lmao

But that was never even my main issue

[limber hull]

(unless they're subs in which case they can just rule land)

[sleek shuttle]

My main issue is the sheer lack of variety in the carni roster as of now compared to the herbi one, and yes I’m still considering galli and beipi, really if you want to play and actual land predator right now, you only have 2 choices, and from what I’ve seen and heard about cera and trodo they seem to be similar with some nuisances maybe with some exception to cera (granted neither are out yet so I could be completely wrong this is just based on what I’ve seen)

[tidal rose]

Deino needs to be able to be on land less. The bloody thingsnare like land rezes on update 6

[sleek shuttle]

Cera seems to just be a more brute-ish carno with a target for a scav, and trodo seems to just be Utah but with venom and less damage

[tardy talon]

why do herbivores and carnivores need to have an equal amount of playstyles? either way they’re adding to the total amount of ways to play the game

imo it’s better to have more herbis than carnis because carnis are already so overepresented in game

[sleek shuttle]

As I mentioned in my post I’m glad to have a higher dose of playables for once I just wish there wasn’t only 2 options to pick from compared the by comparison huge amount for herbis

[uneven mist]

[tardy talon]

why does that matter why not just play herbi more lol

[uneven mist]

With 6.5 there’s two new carnivores to choose from with different niches

[sleek shuttle]

Cause I want to be a carni for a bit but carno and Utah gets boring when you’ve played the game since it dropped?

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, but my problem is, is that just based on what I’ve seen and at their core, they just seem like the same thing we have with just a little bit more nuances

With as previously stated maybe some exceptions with cera as it’s possible I could be wrong about that one

[uneven mist]

…huh? Idk where you come to that conclusion

[uneven mist]

Cera is completely different to anything we have currently

[tardy talon]

troo is a nocturnal pack hunter that wears its prey down with poison

cera is a corpse bully

neither of these have anything similar in game

[sleek shuttle]

Huh that almost sounds like the other small pack animal that uses a dot mechanic to kill it prey via pounces and numbers

[tardy talon]

bleed and poison are two very different things

unless they just do DoT poison but i don’t think the devs are dumb enough to do that

[uneven mist]

It’s venom we don’t know how works other than that it seems to cause seizures and make the nv worse

[tardy talon]

granted troodon would be a lot better if they gave it the mimicry it was supposed to have

[uneven mist]

It’s going to, just not when it’s released. Just like deinos vertical lunge

So later on

[tardy talon]

yeah and just like dryo burrow and hypsi climbing which we’ve been waiting on for years lol

[sleek shuttle]

Again tho that’s just a part of the nuance I mentioned, it does some new things which I admit are cool, but it just doesn’t strike me as having the variety and actual differences as some of the herbi rosters have, at its core it to me really just seems like a slightly different Utah, which as previously stated could be wrong, I’m going purely based off of what I’ve heard and seen

Yeah venom is not bleed, but it’s doing similar things to bleed with just a few new bits and bobs

[tardy talon]

really depends on the actual effects of venom lol

tbh tho i just don’t see the need for carnis and herbis to have an equal amount of playstyles, it’s not like there in competition or smth

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, that kinda goes with the whole just based on what I can tell part, for all we know it could be like PoT venom or not who knows, but based on my observations it’s seems to be similar to bleed

[tardy talon]

observations of what we’ve learned nothing about what it actually does besides the nv comment lol

[uneven mist]

That could be said for a lot of carnis tho, like rex and giga. Both bites but how they hunt and their bites does different things

[tardy talon]

most of the players on a server are already playing carnis, herbs need the diversity more

[sleek shuttle]

That’s not really my problem, my point is it gets boring to have 2, maybe 3 and a half play-styles, to pick from

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, my main focus however has been this upcoming update, you’re not wrong

[tardy talon]

i mean no ones limiting you to carnivores besides yourself

also since similar play styles don’t count to you land herbs aren’t getting anything new this update

because galli plays pretty similar to dryo anyway

[sleek shuttle]

I know, my point is I want a newer carni experience and more to pick from for when I wanna play carni

[tardy talon]

and we’re getting cera

and troo as long as the venom is unique

[sleek shuttle]

As long as, again I’m going off what I’ve seen, and with cera having more potential to be different I admit, trodo just doesn’t seem to have as much potential for that to me

[tardy talon]

ok so the update is giving 1 to land carnis and 0 to land herbs

[sleek shuttle]

That is fair, I will I think galli seems to have more nuance to it’s play style for now than the trodo and Utah comparison but you’re not wrong

[limber hull]

im going to be honest, this is entirely untrue lol

[tardy talon]

just going off of his logic

both of them run away from things so that means they play the same

[sleek shuttle]

^^^

[tardy talon]

i mean like i said we literally know nothing about venom

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, I’ve mentioned that

[limber hull]

like even dryo is getting a unique sub-niche in U6.5

also IDK why venom is just being disregarded as if troodon isn't getting an entire mechanic dedicated to it

[tardy talon]

let’s not get back into the dryo argument lol

but tbf troo and utah could be very similar if venom is done poorly

[sleek shuttle]

The point I’ve been making is venom seems to me just another form of bleed, for trodo to do what Utah already does just with a bit of nuance and some new flashes

[tardy talon]

this is why they gotta show us these systems earlier on i don’t want another night vision 😔

[tardy talon]

ngl i still don’t know where you’re getting this from

[sleek shuttle]

Pounce on Utah, applies high bleed, venom pounce for trodo applies high venom with the nuance of having to time and coordinate with pack members

[limber hull]

bleed and venom are very unalike from what we know tho

bleed doesn't impact the base health pool, and focuses on dealing with stamina and health regen, and simply stacks with new attacks

venom, however, can cause a number of effects, from direct damage to the prey, to hallucinations (confirmed on dilo), to reducing NV range (something the devs are experimenting with on troodon) and so on

[tardy talon]

but we don’t know what the actual effects of venom will be it could play very differently from bleed

[limber hull]

Unlike bleed, venom probably won't care if you're moving fast or moving slow

Nor will it care about your hunger, thirst and stam

It'll just keep going as long as the troos keep applying it

[tardy talon]

personally i don’t think venom should deal damage at all, it should weaken the target to make it easier for the pack to bring down physically

[limber hull]

im gonna be honest, how the hell is that going to happen

look at troodon, really look at it, and tell me you can get any amount of venom taht can make a troodon take down anything above a dryo

Because troodon is SMALL

[tardy talon]

i mean sure

let’s say the bite force is 15

[limber hull]

(also there's the implication of insane mixpacking potential with troodons increasing damage vulnerability, then whatever their buddy is just melts the animal)

[tardy talon]

8 troodons biting is still gonna be dealing a good bit

i think stam drain could be a big part of it

not being able to do special attacks anymore remove a lot of defensive ability for most creatures

[cyan flame]

@sleek shuttleWhat kind of carni/playstyle would you like?

[sleek shuttle]

That serves my point tho, it’s virtually doing a similar thing to bleed, allowing the small pack animal to take down large prey with a mechanic via pounce and constant pressure, with a few new bits and bobs

[cyan flame]

Just curious since you feel that troodon is too similar, so what else would you like that would be reasonable to put in right now?

I kind of like the idea that bleed means you don't want to move/use stam, while with venom you kind of do, before you can't anymore.

[sleek shuttle]

The venom pounce was kinda my main straw for trodo, I was kinda hoping cera would prove to be better competition for carno but I don’t think cera has been done poorly so far, plus it could still do that who knows, I was really hoping for something that wasn’t just another small pack animal or a high speed run down/knock down animal

[uneven mist]

Omni already does that so it would just be a smaller Omni

[urban flax]

Soooo... cerato ?

[limber hull]

cera is neither a small pack animal nor high speed knock down

[uneven mist]

Feel like you will like cera then

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. Cera might be to your taste then, if it goes all the way defensive scavenger/corpse bully and all that. Would certainly be different from carno then.

[sleek shuttle]

I admit cera seems interesting, as I stated I kinda have hoped it would be more competition for carno but seeing as they seemingly want cera to be a more defensive scav I’ve been slightly disappointed, but as I said who knows I could be wrong about cera not being much of competition

[limber hull]

idk whats wrong with a defensive scav tho, that's literally never been done before in like any of these survival games

[cyan flame]

It being defensive and all does not mean it can't "compete", it just means your main behavior is to watch a carno or omni pack make a kill, then just waltz in and go "thank you for your hard work, I'll take over now"

And all they can do is spam 3 call at you, since they can't actually fight you off. :p

[sleek shuttle]

I’m not saying it’s wrong, just didn’t seem like something that would have been all to needed as of now, I feel carno needs more competition as a mid tier/high tier carni of the island rn

[sleek shuttle]

You’re not wrong, I agree with you there

[limber hull]

idk what you can possibly put in that can do that, which doesn't hurt the ecosystem far more than cera can

the next carnivore is above carno is allo, which is almost a ton heavier than carno, immediately making it far more powerful than carnos are now

cera stays in the proper size range while still being nearer to carno's size

[cyan flame]

Considering how high carno food drain is (possibly a tad too high even), I could see losing a meal or two being all kinds of bad honestly. So not quite sure what you mean with competition then, if this isn't "good enough"?

[sleek shuttle]

Yes, as I stated though it doesn’t seem like the devs have been intending to make cera much of a predator, which I could be wrong for all I know cera could be some apex predator by comparison who knows, that’s why I kind of wish cera would seem to have more hunting prowess than it seems to currently have to me

[limber hull]

no, cera isn't meant to be a predator, you are right about that

but i think its an excellent change of pace and a good direction for cera

[sleek shuttle]

That’s kinda why I’ve been hoping cera would be more a predatory obstruction for carno so the only thing limiting it didn’t have to be food drain

[uneven mist]

Cera can still hunt, it just isn’t as good as Omni, deino, carno and troodon so it mostly steals their kills (exept deinos kills)

[tardy talon]

just because cera doesn’t hunt doesn’t mean it doesn’t compete with carno?

[cyan flame]

I mean, I do get it, being more "passive" isn't neccesarily fun for most players, but I still think it can be considered proper competition, after all, stealing a kill is very much a thing.

[tardy talon]

cera will be fighting carnos for bodies a lot

[limber hull]

eh, idk if cera really can hunt beyond killing completely unaware players lol, or tiny little stegs who cant outrun it

[limber hull]

i mean, cera is much smaller than carno, so even if it were a predator, it'd probably be less equipped to deal with carno and die

[cyan flame]

Fair, but carno has speed, so unless you're that fast or almost as fast (or have some other way to slow a carno down), you're not really hunting one. You can still probably mess it up plenty if it decides to hang around and try it's luck vs you though.

[limber hull]

and yea, cera ain't outrunning a carno, and it ain't bigger than a carno, so it really has very little going for it in the matchup where both are hunters

[sleek shuttle]

That’s why I was hoping it would have something for that, before it was revealed to be a brawling scav

[cyan flame]

But carno would be one of those were the competition isn't neccesarily directly going for the carno, just preventing it from having any success indirectly, which should still count since it would matter for the carno.

[limber hull]

there's nothing you could really give cera that could possibly help it hunt carno tho

[cyan flame]

Same way how some herbis could in theory compete with the others by just getting to food first and ruining it/eating it.

[limber hull]

it's too slow and too small to do it effectively, predator or not

[cyan flame]

Like, you could probably starve a stego out by going as a dryo flock and just eating all the food xD

[sleek shuttle]

I find that arguable, as of now yes, but I think if the idea for cera early on was to be competition for carno it could be done that way in a reasonable manner

[sleek shuttle]

Also that lowkey sounds funny asf to do

[limber hull]

its basically always been presented as, and still is presented as, a competition for carno

except it's defensive, because there's no way it can beat carno in the offensive department

Carno is quite possibly the most offensively-geared animal in the game

Its defense is horrid, on purpose

[sleek shuttle]

Yeah, that doesn’t mean there isn’t a possible play style out there that is offensive that could work against it, it likely would have to be partly defensive just cause yeah I don’t see anything chasing down a carno, but I could see there being something

[cyan flame]

Do it as tenos, and then kill the weakened stego very easily xD

[limber hull]

Cera is basically perfect for dealing with carno. There's no way in hell it can beat carno offensively, since carno's offense is far superior, with speed allowing it to immediately leave any engagement cera takes to it. However, cera's corpse bully niche means it forces carno on the defensive, by contesting a stationary resource with food. This way, cera puts carno at its greatest disadvantage, thus making it the most competent at dealing with it

Cera being defensive and forcing carno on the defensive means it wins out by forcing carno into uncomfortable situations where it no longer holds advantage

designing cera to "hunt" carno would end in failure

[tardy talon]

@tired narwhal making spawns random doesn’t fix the problem, if there’s a hotspot players will just walk there anyway

[sleek shuttle]

Fair enough, however it kinda circles back to the only thing limiting carno is it’s massive food drain which can make carno just flat out annoying sometimes

[limber hull]

i mean, nothing is ever going to catch a carno

[sleek shuttle]

Yes, this is true

[limber hull]

thats just a fact of life, there doesn't exist an animal on the roster that can both match its speed and also its power

[tired narwhal]

yes I agree with you, still I want to see more people's opinions

[north quiver]

will galli’s broadcast speed boost make it faster than carno in groups?

[sleek shuttle]

Arguable about the power part, I think the best thing for carno would be a high stam/tracking predator

But, I got stuff I gotta do now so, it’s been fun y’all, wish you guys a good day

[uneven mist]

Maybe, but with the diet speed bloost too then I think soo

[north quiver]

then I hope something will be done about carno’s sub stage. those things will be absolute inescapable menaces to them with their baby stam mixed with that speed of theirs

[stone mantle]

i feel like the problem isn't necessarily how fast food drains but how little food you get from most things

surely eating something that's almost as big as your abdomen would give more than like 1/5 hunger

or at least that was my experience when i grew a carno some time ago (before night vision update)

[junior abyss]

#general-feedback message that would be sooo laggy

the servers already crash like 10 times a day as it is i dont think theyd handle that well

[junior abyss]

i swear yall dislike anything

[manic ibex]

Now imagine being a dev that have to deal with this community

[swift summit]

i think a more suitable number would be like 120 or 125 max

[junior abyss]

i mean this #general-feedback message

like what is bad about that its legit beneficial only to deinos like what

[junior abyss]

yeah

[swift summit]

#general-feedback message what do u think of this idea

[junior abyss]

idk its good but more work

[swift summit]

this is something they could consider like maybe just adding some new buffs would be cool

since the troodon has venom

maybe u can have like a buff to venom immunity

so theres a less chance ur affected or it does less damage

@copper prism YES

i hate it when at center theres like 70 carnos and everywhere else is just dead

[junior abyss]

eh its good but ppl wanna spawn near their friends

[swift summit]

i mean it would be good so people can explore

[copper prism]

You can also just walk via the next closest area. Or your friends can meet up somewhere else.

[swift summit]

this

[copper prism]

I just hate the LAG

[swift summit]

even that

[copper prism]

Or when I'm just passing through and get chased by 4 carnos and a swarm of raptors

[swift summit]

im currently at center getting aloe for my pachy and im at 70 frames max

dropping to 50 as we speak lol

[copper prism]

Damn u get 70?? I get 18 😂

[swift summit]

🤣 😭

im running on low setting because it helps with frames

[copper prism]

Then everywhere else it's a deadzone

[swift summit]

yea

[copper prism]

Can't find food or anything. It's nice as a juvi but if ur something like carno you got no choice but to brave the center

Or fall off a cliff like I did. That also solved the hunger issue.

[swift summit]

and risk being cannonballed on

[copper prism]

Yeah. Or lagging into a deinos mouth

[swift summit]

by a group of 5 carnos eating u alive

or that

[copper prism]

Back in legacy it was annoying that we were always so spread out but it did make for a more balanced ecosystem

I kinda miss legacy tbh

[junior abyss]

legacy was never spread out

[copper prism]

It was more than now

[junior abyss]

not really

[copper prism]

I could catch a break in the populated areas

[junior abyss]

legacy had 3 locations

hidden, twins and gf

its just a the isle thing

[copper prism]

There were at least 5.

[swift summit]

yes

[junior abyss]

i find evrima was more spread out

like u can go south nw or center basically the only good spawns and theres ppl there

[copper prism]

Never seen anyone in evrima anywhere except center. I could go for hours seeing nobody

[junior abyss]

thats weird

[copper prism]

Occasionally deinos in the swamps

But they've been absent lately

[junior abyss]

swamps is bad for deinos

hardly any ai so i dont blame them

[copper prism]

Back on legacy it was just the docktahs and twins that were overly populated but it wasn't deathmatch type

That's what we missing we don't have any docktahs. Or ig Dockomnis now

[junior abyss]

twins was

gf and twins mainly were deathmatch areas

i doubt the devs will fix center being kill all

they never listen to community

[swift summit]

tbh if the devs added in back bites from evrima to legacy i would play legacy again, but until a dino scraping against ur azz and biting u without being able to do anything all the time isnt fixed im not going back

[junior abyss]

devs arent gonna touch legacy

[copper prism]

I think there should be at least two centers

[junior abyss]

its gonna be deleted eventually so why would they

anyways hopefully gateway will be way better

[copper prism]

Legacy is dead. RIP

[swift summit]

😭

[junior abyss]

ye the srvers are all trash and full of toxic teenagers

[copper prism]

They have mods I heard though. On legacy. I'm not going through the effort to test that rumor though

I miss my dilo. I will be happy once dilo is back.

Don't know when that'll be anymore but I can hope

[junior abyss]

they do

hell of a lot of them

u can make the map winter or autumn now or turn every spino or rex into hypos

[copper prism]

I'm assuming they'll leave legacy as an option for awhile though

Some people would be upset if it were spontaneously removed

Maybe it could be accessed the same way evrima is accessed now

Maybe migration will fix the issue too

The center issue.

[faint folio]

@copper prism I don't see spawn capping helping overpopulation at center. Things will just spawn elsewhere and walk to center.

The way I see it, center is extremely popular because:

1. open fields (the way tracking currently works, unless you see your prey, or get extremely lucky to stumble across rare, hard to see footprints of something that JUST walked by, or the prey is literally just screaming constantly 1 call to attract attention, hunting is only really feasible to start from an open field. So carnivores start there. That's why NW and Center popular spots as opposed to the woods north of ravine)

2. all herbivores have a diet there, and it's central so anything crossing the map likely goes through center. So there's a higher chance of encountering players, combined with open fields = much higher chance of seeing other players

3. it's one of the best areas for AI spawns, with a large variety- frogs, fish, chickens, rabbit, goat, deer, boar-- you name it, center likely has it. Which makes it popular for growing carnivores, and adults between player hunts, as they can eat AI if they need a holdover until they find a player

[copper prism]

They should walk then. It's good exercise. Get them thicc dino thighs. But fair enough

It might help put things in other areas though. Make people try new things

[faint folio]

The fix, therefore, is to address the reasons why center is so popular:

1. improve tracking and scent so that you don't solely rely on line of sight or hearing to find food, permitting effective hunting in heavy foliage

2. spread AI out, particularly focusing on hot spots and areas of interest but also in between.

3. spread out herbivore diets. There should not be any one area that ALL herbivores visit for diet. And ideally areas that offer 2/3 of herbivore diet should not be areas where the most herbivore overlap is

[copper prism]

Im hoping the migration thing will fix it

[forest mulch]

falls enjoyer

[copper prism]

I forget the name of the area I liked but I can assure u it was a good area

[narrow loom]

can some one tell me the difference between venom,poison and bacterial in the isle because it looks like they are all the same just on different dinos.

[proud coral]

It's more so their application methods and effects.

Venoms are toxins injected into the blood stream. Troodon venom is mostly unknown, but it's said to "soften prey up" and require stacking and coordination to use effectively. Dilophosaur venom is primarily hallucinogenic, being most effective after dark. It also has a (currently secret) secondary effect specifically to aid with actually hunting prey. And finally, Megalania venom is currently unknown but implied to be an anticoagulant.

Poisons though are toxins usually ingested. In Isle, we have mushrooms that are poisonous to eat (except for Hypsis) and Ceratosaurus' stank bite that gets lots of nasty bacteria into your wounds. The bacteria is said to make creatures sick and vomit a lot, making them loses lots of food, water, and nutrients (and also being smelly because vomit!) 😄

[narrow loom]

i hope t rex gets a bacterial bite scientist think it did in real life

[forest mulch]

@drifting rose so what ur asking in ur feedback post was just for the return of deathmatch servers?

[drifting rose]

yea thats what i suggested lol

[forest mulch]

you never said it directly :v

not a bad suggestion though. confusing why they didn't include it with ervima's launch

[drifting rose]

i asked punch a long long time ago when it was only teno,stego,utah,carno,hypsi,and dryo and he said its not a focus rn especially the lack of playables or something like that.

but now we have 13 dinos in the game so we kinda need it

also im not like a dev or anything but it cant be that hard to add a flat map with some stuff to mess around with and test our dinosaurs with id say it takes at most a few hours

[forest mulch]

r e t u r n t h e d i v i n g p o o l

[narrow loom]

y e s

[forest mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xADSDapqn9o

[limber hull]

these are all issues with Spiro, the current map, which will be getting removed with U7 and replaced with Gateway that introduces migrations

[narrow loom]

goood

i got a good pc but i lag i thought it was me but no it is everyone i just want it so i can be close to 20 dinos in a hot spot without getting 5 fps

like v3

[latent olive]

@wise quest night time is like 15 minutes man

what more do you want

[wise quest]

it starts getting dark at like 5pm and its fully light at 7am thats way too long

[latent olive]

🤨

[wise quest]

also it doesnt make sense to be this long now at leats when troodon is added there will be a dino that needs night

[latent olive]

bro the actual night time in game lasts a total of like 15 minutes irl

[wise quest]

its the ratio thats the problems

[latent olive]

you’d be surprised how useful the cover of night is for juveniles

[wise quest]

its a double edged sword bc u dont know if something can see u due to the horrible night vision

[latent olive]

yeah but at least you can’t be spotted halfway across the map

[wise quest]

i just think it should start at like 7pm or just a bit shorter

bc its more than a 1:1 ratio due to it starting to get dark abt an hour before and getting fully light an hour after

[latent olive]

Day time already lasts 30 straight minutes

[wise quest]

i could be just super stupid but in game the night is longer than day

i havnt actually checked if time goes quicker or smthn but idk

[latent olive]

Night time is, stated by the devs, half of day time

The only thing that makes it feel “longer” is that you aren’t doing anything at night

You’re just sitting there waiting

Whereas in day time you’re moving about and trying to do things

[wise quest]

i would have to dissagree bc im just sitting around doing nothing all the time xd

[latent olive]

Go to school and the day passes by rather fast

Stay awake the whole night and it feels forever

It’s how humans perceive time, my mannenstein

[wise quest]

this is an isle discord

stop being inteligent

it is not permitted

[agile roost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cup-playing-cute-sit-gif-17044697

[gentle briar]

😍

[cyan flame]

@ruby steppeIt's getting one, the issue has been acknowledged and will be fixed.

[ruby steppe]

Amazing! Thanks you for letting me know this.

[barren zephyr]

@acoustic hearth I'm agree with your idea. Instead of put the cooldown on the zone of the map to respawn, should be better you have a cd on that dinosaur. For example if you die as a carnotaurus, you couldnt play carnotaurus for a 300s, but u can pick any other specie and play it. Is boring play in a big empty map.. and more when you need stay in the center of the map to play as a scavenger.. Then with the nest you could disable that cooldown and be able to play more times the same dino

[stone mantle]

how big is the upcoming map compared to spiro? i feel like the pop limit should be proportional to size

[acoustic hearth]

@barren zephyr yeah, people wouldnt be spawning over and over. And because gateway map looks very croc friendly (big rivers etc.) i wont be suprised if 35% players would be playing crocs.

[uneven mist]

It’s bigger than the playable area but smaller than the whole island

[stone mantle]

i'm not sure what that means?

[acoustic hearth]

@slow wolf they said SoonTM, so maybe actually soon.

[slow wolf]

whats soontm

[acoustic hearth]

they called video like this

[barren zephyr]

im sure the 60% are crocs and carnos

[acoustic hearth]

although it was april fools video

[slow wolf]

lmfaooooooooooooo

[barren zephyr]

then you have a 30% of herbivores

and a 10% of raptors, pters

just unbalanced, you can see a group of 5 carnos

[slow wolf]

i really doubt itll be soon. but id be thrilled to be wrong

[barren zephyr]

or 6 deinos

[acoustic hearth]

maybe not on first month or so, beacuse people would explore map

but then yeah

[barren zephyr]

im talking about right now in spiro isle

that all players are playing that

[acoustic hearth]

oh yeah, map is super empty

[slow wolf]

Leave a check if you are excited for humans- X if you just care ab more dino playables

[barren zephyr]

i prefer more dino

[slow wolf]

pffffftt u cant check in this tab

same here, couldnt care less ab humans

[barren zephyr]

and a better balanced game

[acoustic hearth]

i dont think i would play humans at all, maybe just to check it

i mean its dino simulator. not dino hunting simulator

[slow wolf]

^^

[barren zephyr]

could be interesting..

but if they cant balance matches between dinos.. how balanced will be a player shooting us with range weapons against us?

[acoustic hearth]

then i guess night would be your best friend

[slow wolf]

I dont see the appeal, if u wanna shootup dinos go play carnage or ark. I wanna stalk and pounce my prey as a omni pack not get a tresspasser reboot

[barren zephyr]

idk too what the humans will aport to this game

[acoustic hearth]

probably noone will play them after month

so like they never existed

[barren zephyr]

thats depends the broken they could be

remember the troll players

[slow wolf]

If they give em tanks i could see the appeal, but then we just got a squad reboot with dinosaurs

I agree, I dont think they would add much to the game

[barren zephyr]

the problem is if humans can shoot aimbots could start to appears

[slow wolf]

yeah didnt even think ab that, brings more hackers

[acoustic hearth]

i hope no

[slow wolf]

i have enough problems with easy anticheat as it is

[acoustic hearth]

i am worried that when they add humans, they would be fixed (if they have any bugs or smth) after like a year.

not this channel

but you can send ss on other

for help

[barren zephyr]

try on #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[uneven mist]

Try to klick hide empty

[dreamy mulch]

agreed 🥲

But I guess we won't be seeing humans for a while

[acoustic hearth]

i guess they wanna finish humans after like 8 years, because originally game was designed to be human + dino game

[barren zephyr]

they should make a balanced and stable ecosystem before start to think in humans adds

not like now

[dreamy mulch]

Yeah the balance patches for the dinos should be the focus for the most part

[barren zephyr]

i dont want more dinos to be more unbalanced

i prefer they fix the deinos we have right now

[acoustic hearth]

if 6.5 wont fix balance im leaving

[barren zephyr]

and be a good experience play every dino

[slow wolf]

anyone having official servers kick them repeatedly?

[barren zephyr]

no

[slow wolf]

NA3 and 7 are hoed

[barren zephyr]

only when they reboot

[slow wolf]

all other Nas r fine

[acoustic hearth]

in eu i only get ping spikes

every 10 minutes

[barren zephyr]

i think they should fix about every time ur disconected from the server you lost the group you were

it could be like Rust for example

[acoustic hearth]

yeah, but the chance of them adding it is like 1%

if they take 7 months only do add gore system and destroy game optimization and balance
cant expect too much

[barren zephyr]

remember they are working a lot creating a good game base on evrima

they are doing a good code to keep the game updated

and dont fall into the spaggetti code of Legacy

I hope they think a lot in how to balance the game and make funny for all species of dinosaurs

[acoustic hearth]

i respect their work a lot, and that they take quality over quantity, but when after over half a year of work game becomes just broken...

they didnt succed in up6.

[barren zephyr]

yes, but we need to be patient on that i think

[slow wolf]

Anyone know how to fix the Anti-cheat verification check without repairing the service every single time

[acoustic hearth]

i never had anti-cheat problems

[barren zephyr]

that never happened to me

[slow wolf]

how many hours do you guys have?

[acoustic hearth]

900

but like 700 in legacy

[barren zephyr]

arround 100

[slow wolf]

Ive got over 1000 now, played first 200 on legacy. these problems started around 500

[barren zephyr]

i really dont know, never had any problem with anti-cheat

[slow wolf]

Happens so randomly, and I only found a temporary fix

[acoustic hearth]

have you tried reinstalling game completely

by deleting all files

[slow wolf]

I think it has to do with my alt tabbing and then walking away from my pc-also yes many times-slowmode is so annoying

[acoustic hearth]

ye

[slow wolf]

temp fix is to repair the service but then it craps itself again

[acoustic hearth]

wyd by repair the service

[barren zephyr]

@acoustic hearth how you see the implement of more ia animals? are u agree or u prefer less food in the maps?

[acoustic hearth]

i think its ok

but boars are too op for juvies lmao

i mean they could spawn in forest too, because 90% of ai is in the fields

[slow wolf]

you go to easy anticheat which is already in your computer bc you play the isle- and then theres a scroll wheel of all the games on the service (I have never seen the isle in there so dont go in there)- then theres a button that says repair service in the bottom left and center of the tab- click it.- then join a server. Its like manually starting a game with a pull cord (best analogy i could conjure)

[barren zephyr]

yes im agree with you, they should put more spaced out arround all whole map

not a zone with 4 deers and 3 boars

and then the rest of the island empty of food

[acoustic hearth]

i have no idea how could you fix that, have you checked reddit?

[barren zephyr]

nowadays people have to play almost like scavengers, smelling the corpses so as not to starve

Lately I only play omniraptor or some herbivore, playing deinos or carnotaurus is bullying and boring, it doesn't challenge me when I can run with my charge or wait for someone unsuspecting to try to drink in the river.

[acoustic hearth]

i agree, and i also think that they should add more small animals (like rabbit or chicken) because sometimes its impossible to find some as a juvi

[acoustic hearth]

i also play omni but sometimes when i get rammed by carno who is 5 meters away i dont wanna play anymore

[barren zephyr]

yes, and with rabbits you have the disadvantage that they do not make any noise and the footsteps can be from a rabbit or a boar, they sound the same

[barren zephyr]

same

[acoustic hearth]

ill send you what happened to me yeterday

[barren zephyr]

he scratches my tail while I'm avoiding him, and I'm dead

and ofc carno without any cooldown on his charge, so he can runs more than a adult raptor all time charging with right clic

[acoustic hearth]

desync and hitbox is more than insane

[cyan flame]

Carno charge hitbox has been acknowledged as an issue and will be fixed.

[acoustic hearth]

but when...?

[barren zephyr]

they know 4 month ago xD

[acoustic hearth]

this should be patched immiedatly, without waiting 5 months for a big update

[barren zephyr]

its a truth

is a big bug

and it makes it ruin the gaming experience for the rest of the dinosaurs

[acoustic hearth]

just the isle

[cyan flame]

It's not a gamebreaking issue. Is it a problem, sure, but people can still play just fine. Remember the logout bug? Now there was an actual issue.

[acoustic hearth]

erik eden ill send you something

[cyan flame]

So it will be fixed when they patch things, probably when our next update is coming out, which will hopefully be sooner rather than later. But no idea on that.

[acoustic hearth]

gamebraeaking af

[cyan flame]

It's not gamebreaking. Not in the sense of people not being able to play. We've had far worse, and even that took time to patch out.

[barren zephyr]

its not a gamebraking only if u play it

[slow wolf]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i cannot stop getting kicked from na1

i got the best clip of all time

[acoustic hearth]

it is for omniraptors for sure

when carno charge you its like he has two invisible brothers on his boths sides

[cyan flame]

You can still play, enjoy the game overall, and so on, even if that particular interaction isn't the most fun. We've had things like disconnects randomly, logout bug, and far worse and more gamebreaking issues, and those too were not patched immediately. It's not so much that I disagree that they should patch more often, especially for balance, but that's not how they do it. And as much as balance or issues like these can be frustrating, you can still play the game just fine. The game is after all, very much still in beta, so bugs and issues are to be expected.

[barren zephyr]

its not funny spend 3 hours and then for that not gamebraking a carno kills you and u have to start and other game

[cyan flame]

Correct, I've seen the charge "hitbox" and that's pretty accurate :p

[burnt bone]

its not like the bug where dryo existing crashed everyone around, that was game breaking

[cyan flame]

But it's not a "end of the world" scenario, and people can and do still play. Like they did with the safelog bug. I lost a good few stegos to that bug, but still.

[slow wolf]

the carno hitbox is so insane

[barren zephyr]

yes ok, the game doesn't close, but it sends you to the lobby anyway

[cyan flame]

Dryo is clearly the most OP critter in the Isle! :p

[burnt bone]

for once

[acoustic hearth]

its not end of the world, unless you play utah

[cyan flame]

No different from dying in any other scenario. More irritating, absolutely. But its like how water sometimes stopped working back then, so you'd just, fall to the floor and die from that. Lost stegos to that too. Still had to wait for that to be patched because well, wasn't gamebreaking either. You could still play just fine, just don't try and swim unless you're willing to bet your life on it.

[acoustic hearth]

for other dinos is bad, but playable

[burnt bone]

i have been able to dodge rams even as a pachy, you def can still dodge as an omni

[acoustic hearth]

trust me, not always

[slow wolf]

uh no, omni hitbox is behind ur tail when running

[acoustic hearth]

it depends on your luck

[slow wolf]

u can be a body length away and get smacked then 1 shot

no it depends on ping

[barren zephyr]

is about desync and a bad hitbox from omnis

in the case of pachys

on carnos is just impossible scape

you need to dodge 4m away from they or they will hit you and eat

[acoustic hearth]

i got knocked down from this distance

[burnt bone]

omni has a very good hitbox itself, if anything its tighter than pachy's since pachy is fatter. Pachy is also slower than omni, so if you can dodge as a pachy, you can dodge as an omni.

[barren zephyr]

your tail is your body

[burnt bone]

what was your ping tho?

[barren zephyr]

its a good hitbox?

[acoustic hearth]

40 ping

as well as here

[barren zephyr]

he can touch your tail and ur done

[acoustic hearth]

he doesnt even have to

just 3 meters from your tail is enough

[barren zephyr]

he touch your tail and breaks you legs xD

[acoustic hearth]

also as pachy you can just bonk him, doesnt need to dodge

[burnt bone]

it is not though? if you stand still you can see omni has a good hitbox itself

You're seeing latency+carno hitbox being gigantic. However, getting back on the origional topic, carno's hitbox being gigantic is not game breaking. Is it unbalanced? yes. Is it unfun for the omni? yes. Does it make the game literally unplayable? no

[acoustic hearth]

it only makes carno encounters unplayable, if you want to survive you have to run

if carno isnt bad

[barren zephyr]

and starve coz all food is in the center of the map, where carnos are camping

so yes, it break the game for a omniraptor

and u can say me well you can play others

[acoustic hearth]

the thing is that in 5.5 it was alright

no massive desync and hitbox

[barren zephyr]

but is just insane a server had a 60% players playing carno knowing they are op with the hitbox charge

i thougth about that

and i really think carnos should be able to make group

there shouldnt be a herd dino

[acoustic hearth]

at lest they kill themselves a lot, so carno life isnt that easy

or they make group of 8

[barren zephyr]

the problem is that

when they make a alliance you have 0 chances of survive in this server

as i said, arround the 80% of players are arround center

[cyan flame]

I mean, this is fine. An omni should run from a carno anyway honestly.

[barren zephyr]

talking aabout carnivores

[acoustic hearth]

and nw

[acoustic hearth]

trust me its hard when they ram spam and you have to dodge it

in forest its not that hard tho

[barren zephyr]

a carno runs more than a omni just ramming all time

[slow wolf]

go look at what i put in #videos-and-streams

[cyan flame]

Oh I know. But hopefully the charge will get some proper adjustments. Could do with less damage, knockdown range, and add some cost to using it, so you can't just spam it, and so on.

[acoustic hearth]

and i hope omni gets its old movement

it was so satysfing to just move around, now it feels bad

[rancid raptor]

@acoustic hearth That will have to wait until we have better optimization

Mention a few examples @pulsar lake

[tall hearth]

Deino currently isnt. It can eat meat right out of the egg

[rancid raptor]

@gray hawk This is a good type of realism yep

[acoustic hearth]

maybe, but map would be just empty if half of 100 or 150 players would be deino/ptera

[rancid raptor]

Not "Maybe". Accept the fact. If optimization isn't highly upgraded, then we can't increase playercaps. If we do, we ruin FPS.

@untold lava this is already in the game btw

[tall hearth]

And I think an idea that was floated around yesterday was that sauropods like magy, cama, bronto etc could leave their eggs immediately after hatching so they arent reliant on parents.

Big animals like that may have done it irl when nesting. And it was known there was tons of eggs and high mortality rates for the juveniles and hatchlings. It could work in game too

[rancid raptor]

mention 1 large animal that leaves its hatchling today

[tall hearth]

Most large animals are mammals so it foesnt really work

[rancid raptor]

mention a single megafauna

[tall hearth]

And we're talking about dinos dude

[rancid raptor]

that leaves its newborn

[rancid raptor]

You think dinos behaved the same as birds? lol

[tall hearth]

Are you just devil's advocate for every idea or

[rancid raptor]

Alright lets take the ostrich, what does it do with its hatchlings? @tall hearth

[rancid raptor]

No, I just help people

[tall hearth]

Takes care of them. Like i said, dinos. Not birds

And its speculated ofc

Not proven

[rancid raptor]

Dinos are more comparable to megafauna, than they are to birds.
And there is no megafauna that leaves its newborn

[acoustic hearth]

ok, but if optimization was upgraded (not like in up6) and if 50% of players werent in one hotspot, then higher playercap could work

[tall hearth]

But it could work all things considering. I dont see how it's a bad idea when right out of the egg deino dorsnt need a parent to live

[rancid raptor]

It's flawed logic

[tall hearth]

You didnt even read

Yeah I'm done talking to someone who doesnt read

[rancid raptor]

Realism-wise, it's super flawed logic - because if a dino-species did that (mega), just like if megafauna did, they would just go extinct

[rancid raptor]

Yes, you're right, if optimization gets improved - then larger playercaps would be a great thing

[acoustic hearth]

i just hope 6.5 will fix the game

[rancid raptor]

@pulsar lake This would make galli a bit less unique, but I agree that dryo is a bit weird rn

[rancid raptor]

It will make the game alot better, because it's the best update the Isle has seen. but it won't "fix" the game, which is in BETA rn

[acoustic hearth]

i mean balance and optimization

beacuse these two things are broken rn (compared to older updadates they are much worse)

[rancid raptor]

@cunning anvil This is cool, but it'd make more sense for the dino's vision to just get debuffed alltogether. How would some venom specifically be able to target a creature's nightvision capabilities

[rancid raptor]

What two things? Besides the carno charge

@swift summit Why did you downvote this bruh

[acoustic hearth]

hitbox, desync, pingspikes, lagspikes, carno charge, omni agility, pachy probably much more

[rancid raptor]

This is cool. but with a huge snakeskin - we'd be in need of a huge snake AI or playable @white scaffold

[rancid raptor]

I believe carno charge will be fixed in 6.5, idk about the rest tho

[acoustic hearth]

all of these thing were ok in 5.5

[white scaffold]

Agreed, that would be awesome

[rancid raptor]

There seems to be a code-related issue that causes problems every update

@night spear Players will prolly start whining that they need a mechanic to deplete their diets to replace them quicker

[acoustic hearth]

i will just hope.

[rancid raptor]

@fierce dock Absolutely not, with all due respect

BETAS are supposed to be focused on new content & experimentation. It's a BETA, not a released game

[acoustic hearth]

for 8 years

[rancid raptor]

Until the BETA is finished and EVRIMA is released, you can't validly complain about the BETA having bugs

[cyan flame]

Never the less, it's still in beta, if not even in alpha (depending a bit on the terms used I think).

[rancid raptor]

That's Legacy

[hollow hull]

Just have it so they both go down, but the first one is also refilled with the diet of the second one. essentially if you have 2 of the same diet, the second Hex takes 2 ticks of depletion and the first takes none.

[night spear]

but people complain with the new system anyway

[acoustic hearth]

yes, but i doubt it will ever come off beta.

[rancid raptor]

It will within 4 years I believe

[acoustic hearth]

if they dont decide do rewrite game again

then probably

[rancid raptor]

Nonono there is no reason to

With EVRIMA there's no reason to rewrite

[acoustic hearth]

ik

[rancid raptor]

LEGACY was just bad though, so it had to be rewritten