general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

It looks like you're assuming things with no backing at all

[sullen delta]

I mean

[urban flax]

You're on the "I don't think this will play out the way I want it so there's absolutely no way it will be good" standpoint

We don't even have sucho's concept art yet, how can you tell it has nothing going for it ?

[sullen delta]

No, I'm on the "I'm trying to understand why people like something that has absolutely nothing interesting about it"

[icy lion]

Same statement imo

Assume a playable has 0 interesting abilities or playstyles, then ask why people want it

[limber hull]

I can see tons of potential for sucho

[urban flax]

I'm trying to understand why you specifically hate sucho so much

[limber hull]

(firstly, separating it from the cluster of noise that is the deep waters, and giving it a lot more comfortable shallows)

Giving an animal a unique environment is an excellent way to make it unique itself

[icy lion]

Deino, spino, and bary (maybe beipi) all utilize/specialize in/require deep water to function. Cheirus might prefer deeper water due to its height. Sucho, from the old trello description, would be geared towards shallow water systems

[limber hull]

For example, dryo being nocturnal now makes it like, infinitely more interesting and unique by merit of existing in a unique ecosystem

[sullen delta]

Yes, exactly

[limber hull]

I'd be happy if cherry and sucho co-existed a lot too

Both loving shallow life

Never worrying about a gator

[sullen delta]

I just didn't see what they could possibly do with sucho, because to me it looks like small spino

[icy lion]

Slappin any bitch who disagrees

[limber hull]

That too, it'd act as a way to balance out shallows as a concept. It protects shallow waters used to avoid gators

[icy lion]

Acro looks like a small giga, and yet they both will function as entirely separate animals

[urban flax]

You lack imagination

[limber hull]

You drink from sucho's shallows, you answer to sucho

[urban flax]

Woah I just imagined sucho and cherry making people pay taxes for the privilege of driking in shallow water, safe from deinos

[icy lion]

I see no reason to asusme sucho will have absolutely no separation from spino when we've clearly seen unique playstyles arise in other, similar animals

[limber hull]

Diablo and styraco are going to coexist for example

Does that mean that one's just a copy of another? Not really

[burnt bone]

@celest basin I have seen a couple of ravines in the gateway teaser we got. This one doesnt have water but is near a lake, pretty similar to the shallows trench in Spiro, even has a similar rock formation. There was another ravine with a river below and a bridge above it, tho I don't think I have a screenshot of it

[celest basin]

thesqe are sorta what i'm talking about, but more like a fissure

[burnt bone]

Also, theres a little area with a lake and waterfall in a crevasse similar to your waterfall idea

[celest basin]

I saw the bridge one

it was night though

problem is, half the gateway gameplay is at night

[celest basin]

I was thinking similar to Spiro's south waterfall

[urban flax]

Half of the entire world is at night

[burnt bone]

yeah I saw it in the day, its like 1.5-2x the height of the trench around South

[celest basin]

wow

[burnt bone]

oh yeah, that spot is pretty similar to there

[celest basin]

I never really got to see the full scope of gateway through the streams

[burnt bone]

I don't have a picture of it tho sadly

[burnt bone]

its technically smaller than spiro, but has a LOT more verticality and habitable area.

[celest basin]

honestly I think gateway was that smaller map they were talking about

its pretty darn good

[burnt bone]

I'm pretty sure its confirmed to be that map lol, especially since its confirmed to be smaller

[celest basin]

its smaller than full spiro or playable spiro?

[burnt bone]

gonna be even better in UE5

[celest basin]

I still wouldn't mind larger player caps

and doesn't gateway have some outer islands?

connected through the rails?

[burnt bone]

playable. I'd have to check the specifics but the island is only like 13-18 km across the longest diagonal, while spiro is 20x20

[celest basin]

oh

nvm. read it wrong

but a smaller map= higher potential and better map design without any boring landscapes

[burnt bone]

it has one I saw (you can kinda see it on the left of the mountain view I sent) and its pretty large, but doesnt have drinkable water or food atm

[celest basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-ship-shots-shooting-star-wars-gif-7398806

you know what I want? this

scarif type islands.

[burnt bone]

it also allows for people to be spread out across many biomes, but still able to interact.

[celest basin]

just imagine this on the coast

magy home

[celest basin]

which is awesome. Kissen confirmed that Gateway is gonna still undergo environment changes past the ST

what environment changes, no clue

[burnt bone]

that would be neat, but I don't think I saw much of that specifically, there were some pretty beaches tho

[celest basin]

it'd be pretty easy to add

its pretty much palm trees on sand

[remote dock]

@hallow path i get that deinos and stegs are tanky but there there for a reason. take them away and carns become the apex of the server. No matter what you do, the strongest health pool and tanky dinos will always be considered strong. And especially not for official. Official is the no rules other then cheating server that anyone can hop on to. People shouldnt be locked out of dinos that have existed on official for a very long time. official is the land of the lawless. and imo should stay as such

[north quiver]

@drifting rose I actually really like that idea for dryo dodge charges

[drifting rose]

yea its very simple and easy to learn but also easy to mess up if you just spam the dodge

[remote dock]

yes please help dryo

tbf i think it wouldnt even be that bad the current thing they suggested if dryo had its burrow

because then theoretically two charges is enough to dodge 2 attacks and yeet into a burrow. but burrows arent in sooo

[drifting rose]

i dont think burrow is the main focus rn so its probs gonna be a lil while before burrowing comes in maybe update 9 because thats suppose to be when they go back and look at mechanics and add to them (or something like that)

[north quiver]

the speed boost could potentially encourage dawn and dusk dryo activity instead of purely nocturnal because they’d have more of a chance if seen by an omni or carno. that way, there will be a sweet spot in time to look for dryos that are likely going to be out and about

because no way you’re finding a dryo that doesn’t want to be found if it’s at night once 6.5 rolls in

It’d also encourage more planning and thought into stalking and ambushing them which is good

[hallow path]

Carnivores taking over a server is different balance issue that should definitely be looked at, however that doesn't justify having two near apex tier playables in the current game. And as for officials, I think that the officials should offer the most optimal and balanced experience possible, stego and deino being in a roster where the largest land carnivore is a small game hunter doesn't really let that happen (Especially when there are no rules). Having them disabled on officials when the new update is out would be the best time to do this since they will add four new playables, all of which do fit into our current roster, and will allow players to interact with each other more often.

[remote dock]

Stego and Deino balance each other. I think you fail to realize that. And also, balanced and optimal can never exist with no rules as mixpacking goes directly against that. Mixpacking allows for dinos to fill in eachothers weaknesses. Effectively nulling them. And if anything, Deinos should absolutely stay or else Beipi is alone in the water. Disabling deino makes beipi the sole water creature which is objectively bad and unbalanced

[remote dock]

Deinos good for beipi to prevent them from just thinking water = safe. But you cant just have deino. Otherwise Deino is totally uncontensted. You need to keep stego or else Deino has nothing at its tier

[jagged jewel]

Beipi isn't necessarily competition for deino, if that's what you're trying to say

Like even a fresh spawn deino is bigger than beipi

[remote dock]

not what im saying at all lol

[jagged jewel]

Sorry then, can you elaborate?

[remote dock]

I'm more saying that if deino wasn't there, then Beipi could just exist in water. Where as a deino can and will kill a beipi for this exact reason

does that make sense?

[jagged jewel]

Yeah, thanks

[remote dock]

There suggesting Deino be disabled but I'm saying that if you do that. Beipi becomes the sole inhabitant of the water

[jagged jewel]

Yeah I completely agree, it helps build the beginning of an interesting dynamic

[remote dock]

which isn't great considering at least with deinos there brawly enough and Deinos are a diet item of deinos to not make the waters a safe zone

without deino, beipi is uncontested in the sense that. they can just sit in the water with no predators

[jagged jewel]

Mhm

I like the dynamic it'll create at night where beipi will leave the water and use its good NV to forage on land

[remote dock]

I understand that there strong but deino and steg aren't 100 unbalanced. They could definitely both use some polish. Deino more then steg as Deino is imo easier to grow then a steg. Steg babies are more in danger then deino babies. But Stegs are slow for a reason. The solution to not getting yeeted by an aggressive steg is to not go near said aggressive steg. Its not a carno its not gonna motor you down. Deinos are a bit more dangerous in this regard as your far more likely to encounter them. the whole water thing. But your kinda suggesting that deino and stego are out of place in this game. Deinos add danger to crossing bodies of water. Something that we know will be a factor on the new map as well. Take deinos out the water and you lose that threat from drinking water. You also unbalance beipi. But if you keep deino, you need stego or else deinos unbalanced. Yes, they are strong, but both are important to the isles ecosystem. They added the disable options for those who truly want to disable those dinos, but they should def not be removed from official

[remote dock]

im genuinely excited for beipi because of this i think that it ll lively up the water and make them more then just croc city

i think itll be interesting cause i can see people crossing water if they see a beipi because they assume beipi alive, therefore no croc or beipi would be dinner

[uneven mist]

Yeah or a deino is sparing a beipi and waiting until a prey comes lol

[remote dock]

exactly

still spices the water up

[jagged jewel]

Or the beipi is teasing the croc and harassing him without dying

[uneven mist]

Exactly

[jagged jewel]

Or is bait

[remote dock]

anyways all this to say, no, lets not disable two playables on officials pls k thx

cause fr

what happens to beipi then

it just sits underwater and occasinoally goes up for air because if it dives

it is safe, totally safe

[uneven mist]

Then we only have beipi which would be boring and be basically ptera but water

[remote dock]

at least ptera is mildly more interesting at that point

[uneven mist]

Yeah

[remote dock]

pteras can still get sniped while eating on land, or while drinking water

like it would make beipi able to just exist in water

[jagged jewel]

beipi knocking pteras into the water

[uneven mist]

Lmao I’m excited to see that

[hallow path]

I understand what you are saying about deino adding danger to drinking/crossing water, as well as being a threat to beipi. But I still think that moving them to be community server options would be a good choice. Sure beipi won't have any problems in the water, but they'll eventually have to leave the safety of it in search of food, since I doubt the devs are going to let beipi live off of frogs and fish alone. Beipi will also probably be doing this at night while the troodons are out, giving it a challenge despite deinos absence. I also agree that deino is an easier grow than stego, but I doubt that will change with the introduction of beipi, a new food source for juvie deinos. But if we were to move them to be server options for the time being we will have people interacting with each other more often by having them play as characters you can actually have meaningful interactions with, since the consensus for dealing with deino and stego seems to be just ignoring/avoiding them, which I do not think is a good way to go about it.

[proud chasm]

we need pachyrhino

[humble onyx]

i agree

[silk vine]

faxs

[rare fractal]

Especially since deino isn’t an animal that CAN be consistently avoided

[remote dock]

Deino can live off fish and you think beipi won't be able to do the same is lowkey funny to me. And I think your misunderstanding why the ignoring/avoiding them isn't bad. Example. Your a raptor that wants to drink water. You see a river that has a deino by it. Because of this, you are forced to go somewhere else as your not sure if that deino saw you and is gonna move to try and grab you if you try and drink water downsteam

[remote dock]

You can definitly avoid deinos

Watch your water and drink at shallow areas where full growns can't stand

have to stand?

can't hide, we ll say that

don't let your water get so low that your forced to drink near deep water

[remote dock]

Beipi will be able to have total security underwater, and you fail to realize that the ingore avoid strat is crowd control. You can't go and vibe by the water because threat of le gator

[potent flower]

Yeah, it's not too hard to find a spot the deinos aren't at. They congregate in certain spots

[remote dock]

stegs are like lowkey there just to counter balance on deinos imo

[remote dock]

and theres areas where they can't submerge

it is entirely possible to avoid them

if they werent there, you wouldnt have to be as aware with rivers

[potent flower]

Beach puddle is right there

[remote dock]

you wouldnt have to keep track of your water because if you don't, you risk having to either dehydrate or drink at an unsafe area

deinos are important to the games ecosystem and you can't just ignore the part they play

[potent flower]

I think people are just mad about being jumpscared tbh

[remote dock]

i think people are mad that big dinosaurs are big

[potent flower]

Well, that too

[remote dock]

if deino and steg werent there they d whine about carno

[potent flower]

Implying that they don't already

People whine about whatever dino is doing well. In update 5 it was omni

[remote dock]

whether they'll admit that or not. Cerato is the only challenge that would be somewhat there for carno. But troodon, beipi and galli all don't fair well against them

removing deino and stego just makes carno the new "problem" dinosaur

[uneven mist]

I get why people are mad about deino (because I’m in the same boat)
It’s stupidly easy to grow and sustain, it’s lunge is just overall busted and it can just casually swim towards you and grab you when it’s an 8 ton gator

[potent flower]

I think bepis is gonna be the baby deino menace tbh

[remote dock]

thats why i said in my one reply, they do need polish

thats more problems with deinos being braindead to grow

[uneven mist]

I mean…juvi deino is like what twice the size if of not bigger sooo good luck with that

[remote dock]

stegs are harder to grow just cause your far more likely to die

[remote dock]

yeah i dont think beipi i sgonna threaten deino babies much really

but, i do think they ll lower fish population

the ducks eat the fish, less fish for the crocs

[potent flower]

Groups of beipi could tear up a baby deino. Like land carnis taking out a baby stego before it gets big enough to threaten them

[uneven mist]

Yeah and is the only bad matchup deino had (other than itself) and people want easier ways to kill stego deino players

[remote dock]

that ll drive up cannabilism in the croc groups, and make deino babies much less sustainable

[potent flower]

Especially with cera eating up all the dead bodies

[remote dock]

which is lowkey dumb if you ask me there meant to be killed by eachother and not much else

[uneven mist]

There is one feedback I had about deino and to make it more challenging to grow and hunt because it’s success rate should be pretty low

[remote dock]

like fr ppl complainin that carns cant kill stegs and its like, okay? its not your diet item, your not supposed to

[uneven mist]

Yeah, stego is mostly to keep deinos in check out of land and more big Dino’s will do the same when they get added

[remote dock]

i think beipis will help lower fish a.i which in turn will help force deinos to population control better

[uneven mist]

Oh yeah…and that Omni can’t solo one trust me I’ve seen that

[remote dock]

i just think its unbelievable short sighted to act like deino doesnt have a purpose in the game

[potent flower]

You'll get people whining about canni deinos then, even though it's absolutely part of their job description

[jagged jewel]

With decent difficulty yeah i guess

[remote dock]

like everything this persons saying about how beipi won't just go and live in the water. like we know thats what will happen. Thats current deino gameplay

[jagged jewel]

It's like 90 kg which is under half the size of even a fresh spawn deino

[rare fractal]

Watching the water doesn’t matter, nothing can physically move fast enough to avoid deinos once they lunge, and it’s so ridiculously difficult to mess up a lunge that it’s not a reasonable expectation for all players to rely on the incompetence of the deinos on the server to survive…

[remote dock]

omnis need help tho good lord

[remote dock]

don't go to deep water

[jagged jewel]

Water transparancy levels are a perfectly viable option to help this issue imo

[rare fractal]

Indeed they are

[jagged jewel]

And more small streams

[remote dock]

or just don't go to deep water that exists in multiple areas throughout isla

[potent flower]

Where are you drinking, northwest? The river south of there is way less croc saturated

[remote dock]

the arch and beach being two of the top of my head

[jagged jewel]

Or have an actually well designed map

[uneven mist]

I mean, I like the change they gave it but they just need to nerf carno and pachy and give Omni more food when it’s solo (mostly troodon, beipi and Galli which is next update) and it’s fine if not perfectly balanced

[remote dock]

theres also that spot next to the damn

[rare fractal]

I never get killed by them, I don’t struggle with them, their design is just embarrassingly bad

I wish deino had to actually try to succeed

[jagged jewel]

Not that hard to lunge as deino there actually

[potent flower]

The river on the east of former shallows is also pretty empty

[remote dock]

i think they re legs shouldnt break from the smallest thing. like yes some parts of that were necessary but omni gameplay is broken leg syndrome at this point

[remote dock]

in the far back corner?

[jagged jewel]

Yes, right next to dam

[remote dock]

its really shallow so sub adults maybe but no way an adult gets that

[rare fractal]

Are you talking about Pachy or fall damage? Cuz Omni can call about 30ft before it breaks it’s legs

[potent flower]

I used to be able to dodge deino before the vision range while eating/drinking limit was in place, bc I could set myself up as ready to dash away immediately

[uneven mist]

I mean, it is also like 450kg soo🤷

[remote dock]

fall damage and thats definitely not consistant

[jagged jewel]

I've done it, lunge can get you pretty good distance into land

[remote dock]

they somehow messed them up because they will break from nonexistant falls now

[rare fractal]

That’s about their range, haven’t noticed any inconsistencies personally

[remote dock]

i have noticed them really badly in some areas

[rare fractal]

What are you jumping off of that causes you to exceed that height?

[remote dock]

leap frog over another raptor

[rare fractal]

Then it’s not an issue

[remote dock]

so, not jumping off, jumping over a raptor

[remote dock]

ive had my leg break from that

hence me going, what the hell is that distnace

[rare fractal]

That’s literally their jump height

[remote dock]

as i said it feels wildly inconsistant i think its broken

[rare fractal]

Their fall distance is more than double that

[rare fractal]

Would have to be

[remote dock]

i know why do you think im complaining

[remote dock]

i will say part of it i think is also the speed. like carnos fast but cant jump

raptor can tho, so it doesnt feel as heavy as it is

[rare fractal]

Well tbf, Omni jumping is a hilarious defiance of physics on its own

Like by all means Carno SHOULD be able to jump slightly if Omni can clear it’s entire height

[remote dock]

fr

[uneven mist]

Hypsi:

[remote dock]

lordi hypsi is so abysmall rn

[uneven mist]

Hypsi jumping as high as a full grown carno

[rare fractal]

But not if it’s moving for some reason

[remote dock]

imo hypsi is in more trouble then dryo lowkey

something about not having to grow a hypsi makes them

really unrewarding

[rare fractal]

I think that’s because their growth is literally 20 minutes

[remote dock]

they spawn at full

there is no growth on hypsi

[rare fractal]

It wouldn’t be rewarding anyway, even if I still want it

[rare fractal]

For nesting there is

[remote dock]

that requires someone else to play hypsi and deal with unrewarding b.s that is hypsi

[rare fractal]

Yes but my point being that their growth wouldn’t really make them rewarding

Even if I want it, it really adds nothing to their gameplay since it can be ignored

Hypsi needs more than growth

[remote dock]

i genuinelly have more fun with dryo at this point

and thats a bad sign

[rare fractal]

Yeah like I said, adult hypsi needs more

[remote dock]

plus the map isnt good for small things. your ability to see is just nonexistant

[rare fractal]

Thankfully Spiro is getting trashed pretty soon

Cuz I’d argue the games biggest gameplay issue next to balance is the map

[remote dock]

is it going entirely?

[rare fractal]

Yep

[remote dock]

lol fricken deinos having sea turtles as a diet

[rare fractal]

Pteras have elite fish XD

[remote dock]

i just wanna know who looked at isla spiro and went. yeah. they can get to those without dehydrating

[rare fractal]

They actually can through Northeast

It’s just a boring route with nothing else in it

[remote dock]

its still a dehydration risk

even at northeast

like, did nobody tell them rivers lead into bodies of water and the only river shouldnt end in a waterfall???

[still needle]

i mean what is rewarding to grow right now? lol. We need elders/perks for that. And with what we have heard about elders and perks it sounds like something you get while growing so who knows what hypsi is gonna be like

Its hard to explain why i want hypsi to have growth though. Its just feels so wrong without it. (its also kind of abusable tbh. you can spawn in and instantly go scouting for people/blinding people over and over and just respawning when you die)

[proud coral]

I understand the Hypsi growth thing. It doesn't DO anything for it really, but it gives the feeling of progress as well as making Hypsi feel more "normal" since it's the only creature with 0 growth right now. It gives off a sandboxy "oh yeah this thing exists uh whatever just throw it out into the map" feeling right now.

Even Troodon will have growth.

[still needle]

Yeah atleast if it had growth (even a very short one) it would give people some self preservation as they would still be losing something and not just a sandbox dino in survival mode

[proud coral]

Mmmhm. Also depending on how they go about perks, it could bring up issues if some perks are achieved via growth stages, which seems likely.

Unless Hypsi just doesn't get those perks which I feel would make it feel even worse to play as.

[barren zephyr]

@ashen maple about the G-force you need wait to the game upload the legacy to be able to play that

[ashen maple]

no matter how much the game loads when trying to install the beta evrima the game data alone

[barren zephyr]

yeps, i mean you cant right now play the envrima on gforce now. Its not about your installing wrong, its just its un-compatible

so you only could play envrima when the developers load it on the legacy

[ashen maple]

thx bro

[ashen maple]

I hope that at some point it will be possible

[barren zephyr]

I think they are waiting to have a stable version

and improve lot of things, its a nice idea.. but there are some bugs, and lots of unbalanced things

[ashen maple]

and to make my situation worse, the Geforce cloud does not allow me to enter the game files

[barren zephyr]

yeps for that is impossible to make it

[ashen maple]

[remote dock]

rewardingg as in you survived long enough to reach adult. and yes hypsi spawning adult feels incredibly off

[proud chasm]

bro the isle should be first person

[zinc meadow]

Humans exist :)

[proud chasm]

I’m jus playin gang

@severe saffron mapusaurus was smaller than giga

[severe saffron]

oh

[proud chasm]

It was still strong though lmao

[nocturne wind]

are they gonna let cc's get the update first this time as well?

they're rather close to finishing from the looks of the trello

[frozen heron]

Every stress tester will get the update, not just the CCs. However the embargo may not be lifted till later

[nocturne wind]

I mean yes, ofc the stress testers too, but I was just wondering about the ccs specifically because of the first hand new experience they get, and how they share with the community

[limber hull]

stress testers and CCs generally get it at the same time

CCs are part of stress testers a lot of the time

[grand osprey]

@junior abyss hey so I saw your post about wanting to be able to get rid of the little symbol in HUD, this is actually already a feature! You have to hold left shift & press f10 at the same time, there SHOULD be nothing on the screen except for the game itself 👍🏼

[junior abyss]

oh thats cool thanks

[limber hull]

why are there multiple people copy pasting the mapusaurus feedback

[urban flax]

The new Isle copypasta

[cyan mountain]

@cold jacinth i think your idea of weather is brilliant, it will encourage movement and more use of mud puddles. The severe storms could cause floods which allow Deinos a temporary benefit of traveling to flooded areas for food while also giving Deinos a disadvantage during droughts. Along with that, with rain covering scent it will discourage afk growing since players won't be able to just scavenge. Overall Weather is a great addition that brings many important gameplay loops

[daring talon]

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[cold jacinth]

We could definitely use a lot less afk growing rn lol

[limber hull]

what the hell is that omni post

that's literally nothing but misinformation lol

[uneven mist]

Idk man…

@barren zephyr Omni has 450 hp since it’s weight is 450

[limber hull]

also it doesn't have a 52km/hr runspeed

[uneven mist]

That too

[limber hull]

also 65 damage is exceptionally good for its size

and it starves MUCH slower than a carno

[barren zephyr]

at 100% wroth your run speed is 52Km&h

[limber hull]

That's just not true.

It's around 46km/hr

[uneven mist]

Especially considering it’s a bleeder

[limber hull]

Legacy

[barren zephyr]

i know

[limber hull]

"I suggest that the penalty of being an adult if you consume stamina by moving be removed, more than anything so that it has an advantage over other carnivores."

What the hell does this mean

[uneven mist]

Also the bucking has been buffed so Omni actually has to use tactics like baits and with that came a really good buff, things can’t buck it off if they have low/no stamina so use baits and tap pounces to drain your preys stamina and then pounce it when it’s exhausted

[barren zephyr]

when you run it consumes stamina, so if you perform the attack with the right click, you do hardly any damage and consume too much stamina

so its means that running dont have a consume of stamina

[limber hull]

that is

[barren zephyr]

to have any advange against other players

[limber hull]

a really bad idea for so many reasons

infinite running should NEVER be a thing, ESPECIALLY on something like omniraptor

Imagine trying to survive it as a smaller animal when it will inevitably run you out of stam and kill you

[barren zephyr]

imagine try to scape with a omniraptor from a carno

who runs 10 km/h more than you

[limber hull]

you have almost 2x the stam of a carno as an omni

[barren zephyr]

raptors should be a fast dino

[uneven mist]

That’s carnos thing. Being a lot faster and you can outstam a carno

[limber hull]

they are a fast dino, they're literally the second fastest dino in the game

[uneven mist]

They are really fast tho

[limber hull]

and they likely will remain one of the game's fastest dinosaurs even as the roster expands

[barren zephyr]

ok so lets go all play carno and deino

[limber hull]

the only thing that can outrun an omni is a carno, and carnos have much weaker stamina

[barren zephyr]

pters if u want make a family and role a bit

and delete omni coz they are really useless

[limber hull]

what are you talking about lol

????

[barren zephyr]

why are all playing stego, carno or deino?

may becouse they are hard unbalanced

[uneven mist]

Omni can’t solo or be faster than carno (one of the fastest playable) so let’s delete it

[limber hull]

so nerf them, don't make omni as insanely OP as they are (also stego really isn't that OP, pachy is stronger by a country mile)

[barren zephyr]

i can run a lot

but with only 1 hit of them im KO

i need to hit them like 30

[uneven mist]

You talking about stego?

[barren zephyr]

and im talking about a omniraptor full wroth vs a baby stego or baby carno

[limber hull]

yes, they're bigger and stronger than you, and you're supposed to be a pack animal/bleeder, you're not supposed to be killing them with insane damage

[uneven mist]

If you loose towards a juvi stego or carno then that’s a skill issue

[barren zephyr]

and if u are playing 2 omni forgot to jump both to the same enemy

[barren zephyr]

yes, coz i have to hit them 20 times and with only 1 fault i made im dead

let them 2 hit to take me out

so its balanced?

[uneven mist]

If it takes you 20 hits then those aren’t juvis. They are most likely sub adults

[uneven mist]

We’re you alone or in a pack?

[limber hull]

you're playing a squishy little pack hunter, you're not supposed to be tanking hits

you actually have to dodge attacks as omni

[barren zephyr]

yes i know how to play that, but you only can hunt ia animals

or a new spawm player who is a baby

and ofc, you need to find them

with the epic sniff system

you only can smell the deads bodies from ia

I know its about hit and run to dodge attacks, well.. i dont want talk about the hitboxs and the fight combat.. you cant do a focus is just about timming to cross running and press left clic when u are near

they need to improve the attack system soon i think

[barren zephyr]

I'm starting alone trying to make a pack

[lapis swallow]

Also, I see from your post that you do not know how pounce should be played. There is something called tappounces

[burnt bone]

basically none of the dinos in this game play by only hit and run bites, except for deino but its mostly meant to just kill with lunge. The hitboxes themselves overall are pretty good (bar carno but thats a bug the devs know about), tho latency can make them seem much worse than they are. So I really don't see where you're coming from?

[barren zephyr]

idk what is tappounces

[burnt bone]

if you tap the pounce button, you will latch on briefly so they can't buck you off and drain most your stam.

[barren zephyr]

ah ok i know that

[lapis swallow]

That is the optimal strat rn

[barren zephyr]

they just need to wait away from brushes and wait i jump off of them

then they can follow me coz i need to rest to a second round

[lapis swallow]

No, you can chain three pounces and more (source: me vs a carno)

Tap pounces are very cheap to use

[barren zephyr]

i can jump, but if i bite i consume all stamina

[lapis swallow]

Huh?

[urban flax]

A lot of the values your mentioned in your feedback post are wrong... where did you get them ?

[lapis swallow]

Probably isle wiki

[barren zephyr]

wiki

[urban flax]

Oh
Don't use it, it's both incorrect and heavily outdated

[barren zephyr]

ok, like legacy

idk where i could find them so

[lapis swallow]

You can just look them up in your creature menu

[burnt bone]

yeah, so the point is to use pounce and apply a bit of bleed, then get your teammates to pull them off of you or try to doge as long as you can. The more they run around, the more they bleed. If you're trying to fight something bigger than you alone, its not going to work out well. Generally you need packmates to take out larger threats, alone you can hunt smaller prey like dryo, hypsi, juvies, and ai. Plus next update is bringing 3 dinos that a solo omni can probably fight: troo, beipi, and gali, so there are going to be many more targets you can fight alone

[manic ibex]

@nimble cliff "Acrocanthosaurus in its concept art is a pseudo apex". Well, nope. In the older versions of the game it was supposed to be a pseudo apex. That's the fact on which you base your opinion of the future playable. If the devs showed us Acro killing these big herbivores, that's probably because they decided to make Acro a true apex predator. You are assuming that Acro should be weaker than other apex carnivores because it was like that in the past.

[barren zephyr]

im a bit frustratingm yesterday i made a nest with omni

[lapis swallow]

I really hope that a galli cant just run up to a omni and kill them

[burnt bone]

weight = hp, biteforce = damage
so omni is 450kg = 450 hp, and has a 65 bite= 65 damage.
other stats are a bit hard to find but you can see them through testing with a buddy by getting them to hit you and see.

[barren zephyr]

all of us died starving. I didnt see any animal to hunt, any player.. only 2 chicken to 2 adult raptor and 4 babies

its like a large and empty map

[lapis swallow]

You nested in the wrong spot

[barren zephyr]

you only can survive if ur near the center

[lapis swallow]

Nw is very good for ai

[barren zephyr]

i was there

[lapis swallow]

Near the waterfall with the rocks? In the plains?

[burnt bone]

where were you at? the majority of players tend to live near center and NorthWest, straying too far from there can make it difficult to find people. I'd recommend killing someone on the edge of center or NW, then nesting near the body. When it runs out, then you take the pack out hunting again.

[barren zephyr]

i was on -350,-150

[lapis swallow]

On the other side of the river where the rocks are?

[barren zephyr]

near that zone

[burnt bone]

also yeah, spiro is kinda a poorly designed map, luckily we should be getting a new map soon™️

[barren zephyr]

but i think there are very few animals to hunt

idk why they divide the game in legacy and envrima

where is the diff?

why they dont update the envrima to the legacy?

[burnt bone]

ah, yeah I know that spot, theres rarely people over there, thats the issue. Only dinos with food over there are pachies and dryos, so you will only find them over there. But dryos are rare and pachies stay near center to kill everything they see.

[barren zephyr]

im a bit ignorant about that

[nimble cliff]

I had no idea it was considered a apex now with how other people talked about it

[burnt bone]

It was a coding issue, essentially legacy had so much spaghetti code that they couldn't update it without breaking like 2 more things. So they rebuilt the code from scratch with evrima. They can't transfer everything from legacy over because they use entirely different code. However, all the legacy dinos are planned to return eventually to evrima, except for Pue which is now brachi

[manic ibex]

We didn't have any confirmation from the dev team, but if they show Acro killing big herbis, that's probably the direction they want to take for Acro

[barren zephyr]

ok ok bad programming at start

ok, i hope they can fix it, because its a great game

[nimble cliff]

Ok, but does that make my idea for acro to be a pseudo apex bad?

[barren zephyr]

And my ask is.. why they dont switch, put the envrima as principal and forgot the legacy

[burnt bone]

legacy is being abandoned, their focus is making evrima better than legacy

[barren zephyr]

lecacy = chineese servers

much players wants play the game on gforce now

[nimble cliff]

Legacy still has a lot of players (mostly because its more stable and has a lot more dinos)

[burnt bone]

they are planning that, and I assume soon too. They said they would replace legacy with evrima when it outclassed legacy in everything but roster size... all legacy has above evrima is roster size and rain.

[manic ibex]

You're saying that Acro is a budget Rex, and after that you suggested to give Acro the same CC that Rex is probably going to have, based on its concept art. That's a little ironic don't you think. However, I can see it being nocturnal, but we don't know enough about Acro yet tbh.

[barren zephyr]

yes, for example i have a friend who wants play but his pc is not good enought and he is doing streaming so he cant play the game and stream on twtich too. We cant play coz on gforce now you cant switch to the envrima.. so he cant play this game and he really loves be able to play it

[nimble cliff]

Not the same, unlike rex, which can just attack prey whenever, a acro has to use its environment, like trees, rocks, or terrain height. This means a acro has to be knowledgeable about its environment to hunt effectively, or at least more so then the average rex player.

[burnt bone]

Yeah thats something you will probably have to ask the devs whenever they are in the chats, but hopefully evrima will the the base game soon.

Also, we are getting an upgrade to Unreal Engine 5 next update, and the new map I talked about earlier is built with UE5 in mind. so hopefully that can help with performance a bit. We just have to hope they complete it soon, they said its going to be in update 7 at the earliest.

[crystal trail]

Feel free to DM me if you have a question

[opaque escarp]

i was running through the forest, trying to get away from carno, i got stuck on the side of a tree and carno killed me, literally was running past a tree and my body got glued to it, fix your game completely before adding new playables, new maps, new mechanics. by year 2033 we will have full roster of dinos but still the same bugs probably

[barren zephyr]

Ty i sent it to you

[nimble cliff]

You still here?

[barren zephyr]

Maybe it's something of mine, but I notice that there are very few hours of daylight where you can see well. At dusk and sunset the visibility is a bit poor. And at night I think it would be better if you could see everything with night vision not just the circle around you, at least for hunters, who are supposed to hunt better at night. but they are ideas to improve the gaming experience. since the vast majority spend the night in a bush waiting to see something.

[manic ibex]

Just came back. I'm not sure about your idea, that's putting a lot of Acro's strength in the environment, which is not something you can have access in a reliable way. But at least it's original

[burnt bone]

well the main reason you can't see well at night is because currently every dino has the same NV range, next update should have unique vison ranges since they showed off that in the recent devblog. Some dinos like carno will have relatively poor NV range, while more nocturnal dinos like dryo and troo will have massive vision ranges

[nimble cliff]

Well I had some other ideas but I went for the most unique one I could think of, would you like to here some of them?

[barren zephyr]

I see better that we can all see the whole in night vision. Either you see with night vision or you don't see, but you don't have a circle of vision around you as if you had a flashlight on top of your head.

[manic ibex]

sure

[nimble cliff]

One idea I had was a tanky carnivore that could utilize both a bleeding bite and raw damage bite. It would have had tough skin that would give it a 25% resistance to all damage until it reaches half health, along with a 0.7 damage multiplier to the head.

[burnt bone]

that kinda makes most nocturnal dinos not have the niche anymore. The point is to have limited vision on most dinos, while the nocturnals can see whats happening. Think like legacy, but you can't gamma abuse at night, with dilos stalking outside your vision range so you don't know where they will attack from next.

[manic ibex]

Not bad, I'm not against more defensive carnivores. That's probably one of the main reason why I'm hyped for Cerato.

[barren zephyr]

I understand, it is good if nocturnal animals are going to be incorporated. I wasn't aware of that. In any case, I think that with smell you should at least mark the position of the animals in your diet when they are alive so that you can chase them and not have to pay attention if you hear them nearby.

[urban flax]

That invalidates any form of hiding for prey creatures

[nimble cliff]

Would you prefer that over the choke slam acro?

[burnt bone]

that also makes it a bit too easy, we already have a tracking mechanic that allows you to follow theirt footsteps and bleed. Showing their exact location kinda ruins a lot of the more skittish playable's run and hide gameplay.

[barren zephyr]

The animals of IA not for other players

[urban flax]

Even AI shouldn't be free food

[burnt bone]

eh, I kinda prefer having to listen. Teaches new players to listen more when they actually have to deal with players.

[barren zephyr]

so elimine them

[urban flax]

Right now AI is rare to compensate for the fact that it's incredibly easy to catch

[urban flax]

No ? AI should be a source of food you gotta earn as a carnivore, like anything else

[north quiver]

rare in places that aren’t lemon fields/goat hill

[manic ibex]

I don't think the defensive side alone is enough. You might need another gimmick to complement it, like Cerato

[barren zephyr]

We only have 2 senses: sight (if it's daytime) and hearing

and animals are guided more by smell than by hearing/sight

[urban flax]

You can smell a lot of things
But not live animals, for balance reasons

[barren zephyr]

a dead body or watter

[urban flax]

With current scent system, being able to smell animals directly would be incredibly OP

[barren zephyr]

that makes more fights for the "free food"

if all are looking for the same prey

[nimble cliff]

All terrain? As in its a good swimmer, good turn radius, decent trot, basically not hindered by the environment at all.

[barren zephyr]

not run and run to see a deer

[urban flax]

Oh yeah I sure wanna fight a full pack of omnis when I'm playing dryo
It's gonna be so fun

[barren zephyr]

surviving..

[urban flax]

And how's a dryo gonna survive if predators can pinpoint its location just by scenting ?

[nimble cliff]

Hunts should be easier to get into but much harder to accomplish, so new players can have plenty of chances to learn while old players can enjoy a more in depth hunt.

[barren zephyr]

im talking about mark animals like boars, deers, chickens, fishes, rabbits, crabs, etc

not any dino to mark it

[urban flax]

As I already said, AI shouldn't be free food
Don't try to tell me a rabbit or chicken is gonna put up a fight

[barren zephyr]

omg.. the rabbit not, but if other dino is smelling it and try to hunt too, we will fight for that rabbit

as occurs in nature, sticking to food

[urban flax]

That's a very niche case for a situation that is basically handing free food to people on a silver platter

Also why are people gonna fight for a rabbit if you can smell them and be certain to find another one anyways ?

[barren zephyr]

may coz they are 3 rabbits in all whole map?

[urban flax]

The fact you don't find them doesn't mean they don't exist

[barren zephyr]

does not cover more than a small radius around you

[manic ibex]

maybe, if it's helping the Acro to use environment for its attacks

[urban flax]

That doesn't make it a good addition

It's just less bad

[barren zephyr]

so dont mark the vegetables for the herbivores and they need to find it

[nimble cliff]

Are we talking about the choke slam acro or then tank acro?

[urban flax]

Herbivores aren't hunters

[barren zephyr]

but they kill like one

[urban flax]

That is another topic

The fact herbivores can defend themselves in this game doesn't mean they should be denied the ability to find their food

[barren zephyr]

say that to a stego or outro

following you to kill when you are the hunter xD

[urban flax]

That is still not the topic

[barren zephyr]

OFC only if ur not a carnotaaurus a broken dino

the most speed run

in the game, the most dmg per bite

and strong resist

[urban flax]

You forgot deino exists

[barren zephyr]

stego can against deino

[urban flax]

You were saying carno has the most biteforce and the highest resistance in the game... both those titles belong to deino

[barren zephyr]

yes but deino couldnt follow you with a charge

so its reduce your chances of escaping to 0

deino plays waiting you on rivers its ok, they are strong in their zone, the water.

[urban flax]

What's your point ?

[barren zephyr]

?

[urban flax]

We were talking about the scent mechanic and AIs, and you derived to the balance of carno, stego and deino, and I fail to see how all of this matters in the conversation

[barren zephyr]

yeps mb

going on the point, i thought the funny is grow up all dinos and then make a nest and then start to fight against other people

so i dont know why are u scary about carnivores gets some free food by ia

and they fight between them for it

[urban flax]

It's a survival game
Which implies you need to actually engage in the game in order to survive
AI being scentable detracts from the experience, because it gives you one less thing to do for your survival

[opaque escarp]

and just now carno run past me with charge missed it and i died like 2 sec after , as if, the wind he created blew me off my feet and i hit my head and died

[urban flax]

Be real, this is never gonna happen
Not any more than it already does when someone gets a kill and someone else comes to contest it

[barren zephyr]

only if u play in the midle of the map

go arround and die starving

coz there are not free food or players

[urban flax]

It circles back to what I said before, AI is made rare to compensate for the fact it's incredibly easy to kill once found

Carnivores are already a vast majority, especially carno and deino, they don't need to have it even easier

[barren zephyr]

ok im talking about raptors

[urban flax]

Although some of that stems from the fact they are cannibals, so they can sustain on their own friends

[urban flax]

You understand changing such a thing as how AI are detectable doesn't affect only raptors, but every carnivore, right ?

[barren zephyr]

yes

and do you think carno and deino have any problem to get free food?

may they can stop camping the middle spawn

and look for food in others zones of the map

[urban flax]

But they don't need to
I't just make it easier for them

[barren zephyr]

ok, its easy enought a bit more will not makes the diff

[urban flax]

Right now it's easy to grow a deino or carno if you're in the right place, but with that it would be easy to grow one anywhere

[barren zephyr]

yes, but its impossible to raptors

[urban flax]

And trust me, something like deino, that has the potential to one-shot more than half of the roster without being ever harmed by anything else than its own kind should NOT be easy to grow

[urban flax]

That is not the fault of AI
That is the fault of Spiro's bad design, that forces everyone to stay in one place, and carno and pachy being op and invalidating omni's entire existence

[barren zephyr]

ok so

i was writting that omnis should be vegetarians better

[urban flax]

AI hasn't changed in the tiniest bit since update 5
Yet back then you saw omnis everywhere because they were the ones being OP

[barren zephyr]

i think there are not problem to grow in all whole map

now as u said, they are more and better feeded fighting in the middle

killing all new respawn players

they dont need to smell any ia animal just they need to camp the middle

its just impossible survive for example with a nest of omniraptors

[urban flax]

Omni doesn't need to either
It just doesn't have the option to stay where players are like the others because carno and pachy are busted

[barren zephyr]

ys

[urban flax]

But that isn't an AI or scent problem
It's a balance issue

[barren zephyr]

but carno should be strong

and deino too

[urban flax]

Not as much as they currently are, especially carno

[barren zephyr]

yes i think need nerf the charge

he can run all time charging you

idk if it have any cd, but feels like 1s cd

[urban flax]

Charge doesn't have a cooldown

But the main problem is the fact its hitbox is about twice as wide as it should be, making it almost impossible to dodge

[barren zephyr]

I think if you as omniraptor could sniff the ia animals you could survive and make a nest and do a bit of roleplay with your puppies instead of cross al whole map trying to find a chicken

[barren zephyr]

yes, as omniraptor i have 0 chance to scape from a carno

[urban flax]

So you would prefer the omniraptor staying bad but able to survive without engaging with any other player rather than have a balanced game ?

[barren zephyr]

Because the idea would be that among a pack of raptors they could kill other enemies, that you could easily maintain a pack with 4 or more adult raptors to be able to hunt larger prey.

but if you are unable to find food or find 2 rabbits for 4 adult raptors.. then you are limited to having to die fighting the first player you find out of desperation that you are starving

[uneven mist]

@severe saffron bruh anky would be too early to add next update

[barren zephyr]

Because anyway, most people who choose the carnotaurus is because they want to find other players to fight, knowing their superiority when it comes to fighting. The same for the deinos that look for the dams that approach the river to drink or cross it. I don't think he changed his strategy that much. On the other hand, you could survive with the omniraptors away from other carnivores and without having to cross the entire map looking for or listening to some prey to eat, basically go to the middle and have it see you and kill you and your group one or more carnotaurs

and well the sound of animal footsteps all sound the same, so you don't know if it's a rabbit or deer or goat until they make the sound (rabbit hasn't)

more in the night when they can scape from you but ur not able to see them when ur not adult yet

Thats my feels with the game, I haven't been playing it for long

but feels like a bit unbalanced and i dont want play carno or deino to kill all because i feels like im in easy mode xD but raptors are just impossible to play

i would like change the point of that idea and know if is good or not for the game:
.

To improve the combat experience I had the idea that, when you are in a close (2m or less) range, holding the "Alt" key (Or with "Q" may) you can auto-focus the closest enemy.
so the camera focus on the enemy, facilitating close range attacks

[cyan mountain]

What if lightning struck you if you were afk growing for to long

[pulsar lake]

@safe flower gallimimus is also significantly larger and larger animals have slower and more deliberate movements.

[cold jacinth]

That'd be crappy

LOL

[small anchor]

no sh

gallimimus chicken mimic ❌ <<<< gallimimus chicken mimic ✅

thats my argue.

[pulsar lake]

I’d draw more from an ostrich than a chicken

[north quiver]

I like the idea of having a small chance of being struck by lightning if you’re out in a storm and you haven’t taken shelter

[cyan mountain]

I'd like that but only if someone has been afk for an absurd amount of time (afk growing)

[cyan mountain]

But useful

[cold jacinth]

Yeah but what if you are looking at the map and the game thinks you are idle

[north quiver]

let people keep the option to afk grow. sometimes it’s just nice sitting in a bush letting your hard earned nutrients do the work for you while you step away to grab some snacks and water. anti afk measures options and rules should be for unofficials only

[remote dock]

legit

fr making the suggestion that ppl are just occupying space. no. deino takes 6 hours to grow and some people prefer to not risk losing hours of grow time exploring

like you still have to monitor your stats you cant truly afk

i watch youtube on my other monitor while growing deinos usually because going out and exploring results in me being dinner

your not occupying space your playing an afk game because it takes that goddamn long to grow

[urban flax]

In the character menu, not in-game

[remote dock]

yes thats different

[north quiver]

they probably just don’t like the fact that they can’t easily get into a server and no one is running out into the open to give them the interaction they crave (POV: no one wants to needlessly run out into the open where they can and most certainly will die)

[remote dock]

but straight up auto kick for ppl ingame

[urban flax]

Yeah no this is lame

[remote dock]

tgat suggestion isnt specifying this and thats my issue with it

like obviously in the choose screen thats one thing. but if yoyr just laying down somewhere growing and monitoring your stats til your older you should absolutely not be penalized for that. your still susceptibable to ppl in game. you still have to have sound on and pay attention. just cause your not running around should equal kick

[urban flax]

Yeah punishing people for being afk isn't the way to go (unless in the character screen)
If people are afking in the game, it means said game isn't exciting enough, so they should be given things to do instead of having their experience be made even less enjoyable

[north quiver]

I personally don’t really afk for long unless I’m growing. If I want to go afk when adult, the smartest thing to do is log because I don’t want to waste hours of growth if someone stumbles upon my afk dino

[safe flower]

gaze stabilization is that thing in birds where there heads stay still but the body moves, since ornithomimosaurs and almost all other dinosaurs evolved into birds it is highly likely that something such as a galli might have gaze stabilization.

[sand lantern]

@nimble cliff I like your idea but acro is already shown to have a unique attack ability with its choke hold. I was hoping ur idea would end up being a sucho ability since sucho doesn't seem to have any special attacks. Idk if that is a good suggestion or not but I hope ur idea get implemented on one of them.

[nimble cliff]

Thank You! The reason I don't like acro's current planned ability is that it makes it another apex carnivore. If you didn't know we have a lot of apex dinosaurs already. Also because the ability (to me) just seems like having a super strong bite with more steps. The ability to throw creatures around makes it a carnivore that has to really consider its environment when hunting.

[sand lantern]

It would be such a dope mechanic

[tall hearth]

Spino acro giga rex are our apex carnivores

Shant, trike, cheirus, Camara, diplodocus, brontosaurus

It's a 5 to 4 ratio for apexes and I'm not even counting stego or deino in the list. I'd say having acro exist as an apex levels the playing field for the carnivore roster so the arent overwhelmed by more apex herb choices.

[proud coral]

Apex is mostly a community term anyways, I don't think it matters too much 😮

[nimble cliff]

Isn't Carcha still confirmed? And what's wrong with having more herbivore apexes then carnivores?

[tall hearth]

Also not counting brachi, it's kind of above these playables "tier"

[nimble cliff]

But you dislike my idea turning acro into a pseudo apex?

[tall hearth]

I'm using apex as apex throughout the entire ecosystem as a whole and not just that they're big boys

[proud coral]

[nimble cliff]

Oh ok, so not on the same level as rex and trike?

[tall hearth]

It fits more as an apex if it's taking on camera and trike. Why lessen things

[tall hearth]

Yeah as the devs have stated

And we still dont know what their plan is for carchar fully yet. So I'd wait on advocating for a niche change for acro until we know what carch does

[nimble cliff]

Well aside from the actual power of the acro, what do you think of the grabbing?

[tall hearth]

(Though I doubt theyd change acros niche even if you got a lot of people to advocate for it)

[tall hearth]

I love it.

[nimble cliff]

Thanks! But I want to at least try before acro actually begins development

Is there some way of making sure a developer sees the idea?

[tall hearth]

Just post it in the feedback channel. They may see it, but not react or anything. I dont expect them to acknowledge everyone's feedback. They got a lot of work to do themselves

[nimble cliff]

Yeah, thanks for the feedback.
So the power level of the acro is the only thing you disagree with?

[tall hearth]

I mean if it can effectively hunt animals people consider apex and its shown doing it solo (that we know of) it might as well be considered an apex of the islands total ecosystem and not a pseudo

Keep in mind they showed a solo allo hunting a para in one concept and then in Paris concept it was shown 3 hunting it.

So maybe there were more acro left out of the art, only time will tell what fully happens with its balancing

[nimble cliff]

Cool, one last question, has a original idea feedback idea ever made it into the game?

[tall hearth]

I think a few have. The most notable one I know off the top of my head was someone had asked for the ability to change eye colors and it made it in.

Feedback on the night vision did too, but they were looking for that feedback vs stumbling on it so it's a little different in that case

[proud coral]

Herbivores as a playable faction were purely due to feedback actually

[nimble cliff]

Really?

[proud coral]

Looooooong ago, yes.

Isle was planned to be v e r y different back then

3 dinos

[nimble cliff]

Thanks to some shumck 7 years ago I get to be mauled by a pachy

[proud coral]

[tall hearth]

Oh yeah that. Oddly forgettable but was the most important feedback the game ever got tbh

[proud coral]

I am glad The Isle is going down the path it is today and not down the original one.

[tall hearth]

I wonder where the isle would have been now without taking the community's feedback like that seriously

[proud coral]

The original one sounds like one of those games that gets super popular for like 4 months, played by popular streamers during that time, and then just vanishes completely one day

[nimble cliff]

@trail mesa I really like the work you put into that document, and yeah having super accurate working guns would work very nicely in the isle (in my opinion)

[silk vine]

@proud chasm i like ur idea of majunga thing

[tame raptor]

sorry if my borealopelta submission seemed bland, i gave more detail on it just now

[silk vine]

Its kentro

[tame raptor]

???

[tame raptor]

kentrosaurus is a stegosaurid. although related to ankylosaurs, borealopelta is a nodosaur, or a type of ankylosaur.

[nimble cliff]

Yeah sorry the core idea is a little similar to kentro, but to be fair its tankier and would function differently

[tame raptor]

plus its slower yeah

[nimble cliff]

And also, BOB recoil damage

[silk vine]

SAME THING

bottom left

[tame raptor]

yeah, i feel like they just dont include ankylosaurs much

[proud chasm]

i feel its mostly because once you have one you sorta have them all in a way just some would be bigger or smaller

[tame raptor]

i mean we got all these sauropods, and hadrosaurs, dromeosaurs and tyrannosaurs but theres no ankylosaurs brought into reccomendation usually and i thought having one would change the trend a bit

[empty sonnet]

I like the one you posted!

[tame raptor]

thx

[empty sonnet]

He is pointy and more versatile than regular old anky

[nimble cliff]

What if the borealopelta was completely immune to stuns and bleeding?

[proud chasm]

i understand sauropods and dromeosaurs but not tryrannosaurs or hadrosaurs only because there can be different ways of combat for said dinos but with ankylosaurs its kinda the same combat unless im mistaken

[tame raptor]

@rigid grotto i like the idea of an apex that cannot just do whatever it wants!

[latent olive]

What is with all the new playable ideas in general feedback goddamn

[empty sonnet]

Why not?

[latent olive]

Cos the devs aren’t adding onto their roster of 56 playables 💀

[rigid grotto]

well i didnt know what to write so i looked through an old dinosaur book i had as a kid and found the carchar

[latent olive]

Also carcharo is already confirmed

[rigid grotto]

rlly?

[latent olive]

Yeah, but it’s functionally identical to giga

They’ll either make it an alternate skin for giga or try and make it as unique as they can

[tame raptor]

tyrannosaurs bite, hadrosaurs headbutt or stomp, stegosaurs tail swipe, but ankys would be good on the defensive instead of being like a kentro, where youd be a lot faster and hard to bite.. big troll material there which is always why i strayed away from a fast armored heavy dinosaur

[rigid grotto]

i see ur point but it definitely has some unique characteristics

[latent olive]

How?

[rigid grotto]

ill get back to you on that one

[latent olive]

it’s quite literally giga but from Africa

[empty sonnet]

Then why are they adding it to the roster

[nimble cliff]

Sound cannon carcha niche

[empty sonnet]

I’d rather have something more unique

[latent olive]

Because it was going to be in progression years ago but was never deconfirmed

Same with rauisuchus, plateosaurus, corythosaurus etc

[empty sonnet]

:/ oh

[nimble cliff]

Bu now its probably cancelled, but corythosaurus is apparently still planned so who knows

[proud chasm]

Tyrannosaurs: bite, speed hadrosaurs: iguanodan could use claws unlike things like maia or para or shant Stegosaurs: Kentro is protected all around unlike stego ankylosaur: a different form of weapon and more or less damage all im saying is personally its not really needed but it could be cool to see carnos fight it ig

[empty sonnet]

Interesting

[latent olive]

When asked about the roster, two devs have stated that they will try to make everything in the list except MAYBE rauisuchus

-Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
-Albertosaurus sarcophagus
-Allosaurus fragilis
-Ankylosaurus magniventris
-Austroraptor cabazai
-Avaceratops lammersi
-Baryonyx walkeri
-Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
-Brachiosaurus altithorax
-Brontosaurus ajax
-Camarasaurus supremus
-Carnotaurus sastrei
-Ceratosaurus nasicornis
-Charcharodontosaurus saharicus
-Compsognathus longipes
-Corythosaurus Casuaris
-Deinocheirus mirificus
-Deinosuchus hatcheri
-Diabloceratops eatoni
-Dilophosaurus wetherilli
-Dryosaurus altus
-Gallimimus bullatus
-Giganotosaurus carolinii
-Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
-Homalocephale calathoceros
-Hypsilophodon foxii
-Kentrosaurus aethiopicus
-Magyarosaurus dacus
-Maiasaura peeblesorum
-Megalania (Varanus priscus)
-Minmi paravertebra
-Monolophosaurus jiangi
-Orodromeus makelai
-Oviraptor philoceratops
-Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
-Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis
-Parasaurolophus tubicen
-Plateosaurus engelhardti
-Protoceratops andrewsi
-Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
-Pteranodon longiceps
-Quetzalcoatlus northropi
-Rauisuchus tiradentes
-Rugops primus
-Shantungosaurus giganteus
-Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
-Stegosaurus stenops
-Styracosaurus albertensis
-Suchomimus tenerensis
-Tenontosaurus tilleti
-Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
-Titanoboa cerrejonens
-Triceratops horridus
-Troodon inaequalis
-Tyrannosaurus rex
-Utahraptor ostrommaysorum
-Velociraptor mongoliensis

[nimble cliff]

Goofy ahh indie devs trying to make a AAA game

[latent olive]

But one of the devs did also say they’ll try what they can to make carcharo unique

[rigid grotto]

well some key differences are the length in the skull the weight and the body length but yeah. i see ur point but im sure the devs would do something to spice it up a lil

[nimble cliff]

Actually what if Carcha could mimic like troodon was planned too? I think it could use it far more then a smaller creature could.

[latent olive]

why on earth does it need mimic

[rigid grotto]

one thing is for sure. i hope to god that the devs take one good hard look at the game before thinking yeah i need to add a trex to this ecosystem

[rigid grotto]

i dont think the carchar mimics either

[latent olive]

The trex and trike are coming to unofficial servers first

[nimble cliff]

The carcha could be a weak apex that can be more cunning then other apexes thanks to its detailed mimic ability, like mimicking prey.

[latent olive]

but then it would just functionally be an acro

also it would be really difficult to mimic sounds that are too high pitched for a creature with lungs and diaphragms that large

Small creatures like lyre birds can do it thanks to specialised throat somethingsomethings

[nimble cliff]

Better then copy posted giga, and it was more of a passing though I though was neat

[latent olive]

[rigid grotto]

well it was good at hunting and tracking so maybe a feature there?

[sand lantern]

Weaker bite more stam less health giga

[latent olive]

Already giga’s according to the concept art

[rigid grotto]

well then what is the point in adding it?

[latent olive]

Very good question

[rigid grotto]

i do see that having all these different dino ideas is reat but some are just direct copies of other more popular dinos people would rather see

[rocky onyx]

@cold jacinth

i love the weather suggestion !

i think another good addition is to make the ground muddier & easier to depict footprints without sniffing

[cyan mountain]

What happened to all my upvotes I just had 6 like an hour ago now its all gone 🧍

[tame raptor]

i like the idea of mosquitos! as a baby dinosaur, they can pose a significant risk too

[cyan mountain]

Maybe I'm bugged or just sound stupid BUT ANYWAYS @potent flower I agree with that as well, in fact it was something else I had thought of I just couldn't fit it all in that message

[cyan mountain]

Yes yes, needing to stay vigilant as well. I think mosquitoes should only strike on bright dry or wet days but not during any storm or weather and not at night

[tame raptor]

yeah, absolutely.. maybe rain can slow down feathered dinosaurs slowly

[cyan mountain]

Idk about slowing them down, might be a bit much at that point. However I think (going off @cold jacinth's weather idea) that feathered dinosaurs should get hot quicker and therefore need shade much more but will be able to endure cold better

[potent flower]

Unless they take mud baths or get wet.

[cyan mountain]

Those could be ways of cooling off yes

[potent flower]

Also:I really like the idea of mutualistic tasks between certain different species. Would mostly be different herbi species and also ptera doing it, but who knows

[cyan mountain]

Could you provide an example?

[tame raptor]

goddang people in the isle are picky

[tame raptor]

why no borealopelta???!

[limber hull]

what

what are you saying

[tame raptor]

i see no reason that another ankylosaur shouldnt be added because its gameplay is "the same" as a kentrosaurus

[cold jacinth]

Ooooh!! That sounds cool!!! Omg

[tame raptor]

and its not even the same as a kentrosaurus

[tame raptor]

yeah the weather suggestion is really smart and sounds fun, i hope thats added soon

[cold jacinth]

I think they should have the ability to roll around in dry dirt like a dirt bath and be able to cool themselves off that was as well (for feathered dinos)

[cold jacinth]

I hope it gets added lol

[barren zephyr]

I literally use phase 3 request for something that isn't in game yet

[icy lion]

#phase-three-requests is for sharing ideas for future #isle-phase-three teasers, not for sharing suggestions for the game/game mechanics

[proud coral]

The Troodon venom suggestion reminded me of an old idea I worked on for it based on something Filipe said. Perhaps the prey's heart could be visible to the Troodons (of course not through walls/foliage) and glow and/or beat faster and louder to let you know it's time to bite again. Maybe. 😮

I don't know if the heart placement is accurate but you get the idea

[tame raptor]

but wouldnt that mean that troodons can just team with other dinos

[proud coral]

How do you mean?

[tame raptor]

well there is a possibility for troodons to give other creatures a signal if the prey is vulnerable

[proud coral]

Well, it would really only signify that it's time to bite again rather than what stage the creature is in. And for that, I feel that's just a given since if you see Troodons harassing something that's not looking too good, it's safe to assume it's probably weak 😛

[tame raptor]

oh as in to use venom again

[rare fractal]

What’s up with all the:
“Pls Add X Dino to Evrima” suggestions lately…there seems to be way more than normal

Especially since nearly all of them can be classified as a cosmetic option for an animal we already have

[proud coral]

Yeah, it has spiked lately 😮

[rare fractal]

Reminds me of the first month of U6 with all the wow is me Omni feedback because the animal is finally somewhat balanced

But in a much more genuine way

[barren zephyr]

Isn't it just easier to label channels like "Future Suggestions" Or "Suggestions"

[icy lion]

Check the channel description for #general-feedback, general-feedback&suggestions is a bit long

[barren zephyr]

Because my entire post in phase 3 would fit in that

As a Suggestion

[icy lion]

It'd fit in #general-feedback, which is where I told you to post it

[barren zephyr]

Just saying what War Thunder forums did, just better, anyway

[rare fractal]

Non-specific feedback would encompass suggestions by definition, in fact constructive feedback is by definition a suggestion in some form

[trail mesa]

thanks i appreciate it

[limber hull]

@worldly rock actually galli will be the one bringing in egg eating from what we've heard

@cinder plank Legacy is simply going bye-bye, there's no plan for a split, only removal

[worldly rock]

oh i didn't know that!

[limber hull]

yea, galli's an omnivore now, eating eggs

[worldly rock]

can i update my previous comment or is that a no no?

[limber hull]

also, the next planned animals are likely diablo and dilo

those two are the current ones getting lots of work done

devs have said those two are the ones they plan next

[worldly rock]

also did we ever get a term for Magy's "Bad Taste" effect

[worldly rock]

then i'll remove the suggestion as i dont wanna clog up their time

[limber hull]

the roadmap is going to get a significant overhaul post U6.5 (next update), so lots will change about it, including what roster members will be shown on it

ah, you don't have to do that, it's not hurting anyone, just letting you know is all

[worldly rock]

nah it's fine, if it doesn't add to them i don't wanna be redundant, appreciate the assurance tho!

[worldly rock]

i hope they add the dinos with official renders to it

[limber hull]

but yea, dilo, diablo and herrera are the big 3 being worked on iirc

[worldly rock]

i think Rex, Proto and Giga got official renders?

[limber hull]

Mainly dilo and diablo, so it's possible U7 will have both

[worldly rock]

Galli was a surprise so maybe we'll get all three!

can never tell now

[cinder plank]

If it's removed, it will likely just be hosted as a fan project somewhere, just as fans still have access to the even older forms of the isle. Legacy and V3 hold a lot of memories for a lot of people, and it's not just a 'past version' it's like an entirely different game and playing experience. It's like comparing Pokemon versions for example. Sure the remakes are there but there's thousands of streamers daily playing the original versions because of preference. It's retro and beloved by a large part of the isle fan base and has merit to keep in some manner.

[limber hull]

okay, devs probably won't care about the unofficial thing, the plans are still to delete it

it's been echoed repeatedly, legacy isn't to stay, once they feel EVRIMA is good enough to be the face of The Isle, legacy is caput

the devs see it as a mistake, and they don't want it to stick around in any official capacity. If people are going to take it and make an unofficial version, so be it, but there's no intent for an officially supported legacy in any capacity

Also there might be legal grounds for distributing legacy for free without Afterthought's permission so I'd watch out for that too

[cinder plank]

It's just an opinion and suggestion. The devs repeatedly state that they're basically building a whole new game, so why not capitalize on the first while building the second? I imagine majority of the player base would buy legacy for a budget price as an as-is product. It's basically the isle 1 while evrima is the isle 2. It's like they're releasing a sequel while trying to erase the existence of the base game. I'm just saying it could be a viable option and having it separate or encased in the same game would merge the split player base as well. Legacy players would be able to play evrima more and evrima players could switch to Legacy without having to do a full Uninstall reinstall.

It would also Probably earn the devs some love from the fan base who have been with them since the isle started.

[limber hull]

i mean, "releasing a sequel while erasing the existence of the base game" isn't accurate. That'd be more like what ARK 2 is doing, making people pay full price again for a glorified update. Legacy isn't the base game, don't treat it as such, EVRIMA is now the base game, it's the thing getting support and is the future of the game.

They want to stop the playerbase split by removing legacy, many players still don't even know EVRIMA exists surprisingly. The devs see legacy as an utter failure, and I doubt they'd feel right selling legacy as a standalone product (not even mentioning the amount of backlash such a move would get)

[rare fractal]

It’s like starting a “games developement” as a GMOD mod, or a Skyrim mod, then deciding to go larger scale with it and make it its own distinguished thing, naturally the original version would be super rough and unfinished, so why wouldn’t you want to delete it so the existence of the game is solely the version that actually has a decent amount of quality and vision behind it

[limber hull]

Stanley Parable

Half Life mod turned game turned remake of same game

[rare fractal]

Mhm

Plus legacy is a godawful game that’s carried by the sheer fact that it’s pretty…like if I were it’s devs I wouldn’t want that sticking around either

Once the same fantasy that legacy fulfills for people is replicated or enhanced in Evrima its benefits won’t exist

I will say that legacy’s greatest asset was its atmosphere

[limber hull]

what actually carries legacy, i cannot tell you. It's certainly not the combat, let's rule that out off the bat.
Is it the global chat? Because you can chat in a discord to recreate that.
The roster? Well U6.5 will add 4 new animals, each infinitely more mechanically indepth than anything legacy has to offer, with a variety of unique niches and mechanics, with more to come.
Nesting and skins both exist to a much better execution in EVRIMA so that's not it.
The community? Legacy is filled with rules-lawyer clansmen who team up in massive groups to slaughter everything.
The graphics? EVRIMA has the potential for infinitely superior visuals (do note that it is kind of an excuse with U6, because uh... Yeah)

The only things I can state are the environment, because Spiro sucks (an issue resolved soon with Gateway), the visuals (something Gateway also addresses) and the atmosphere (which was weakened in U6 due to sound and lighting issues which should be looked at soon)

[north quiver]

legacy had absolutely no appeal to me when I first got the game. I tried it out eventually after playing evrima for a while and it was so awful

[rare fractal]

Mhm, every element of Evrima either already is better, or is on par with legacy…in which case the next update and a half are literally fixing said equity

Legacy just isn’t worth preserving

[limber hull]

I'd honestly be fine with legacy dying with U6.5

New engine, actually interesting roster, unique niches and interactions, prior issues addressed

[rare fractal]

The only thing keeping me from playing Evrima is the balancing atm, if that’s fixed I’ll be ecstatic

Not that I play legacy instead

But still

[limber hull]

Night in EVRIMA won't just be a bunch of dilos running around causing havoc, it'll be troodons and dryos and beipis all emerging to explore and interact, forming their own little after-hours ecosystem.

Water in EVRIMA won't just be a place for sucho to hide from apexes that can easily kill it otherwise because of some rules, it'll have massive predators and small omnivores co-existing and interacting, with specific land creatures like cera and teno having specialised swimming abilities that also wish to interact with the waters.

Not every carnivore will be a "run at animal till it dies" creature, some will have uniquely defensive/scavenger niches that permit for unique, never-before-seen carnivore gameplay.

Not only that, omnivores, rather than just herbis and carnis, adding more variety to such a roster.

An actual ecosystem is coming, with creatures playing a part in its existence beyond being food or hunter, and it's wonderful. No reason legacy should stick around with this potential being present

Seriously tho U6.5's introduction of animals that don't feed into the constant bloodbath or hyper-combat focused gameplay are absolutely a nice change of pace, especially considering the work put in to give these creatures still value in being played, with unique and fun mechanics to engage with, rather than combat being seen as the only worthwhile thing to do

[rare fractal]

And unlike in legacy….size actually means something

Small neatpick but it’s something I really appreciate

[limber hull]

I do think pachys introduction did begin a sort of dark age tbh, considering this animal was being balanced around very odd factors and confusing matchups, overscaling it and pushing for a combat-oriented playstyle even further than what it already was in U3

[rare fractal]

Mhm

[limber hull]

I'd argue lots of balancing factors plummeted once pachy got in, because it was a very unique animal in a limited roster, that tunnel visioned what it should and shouldn't be allowed to do

Not to mention the "aggro herbi" playstyle, while unique, ended up very much encouraging the KOS/everything fights everything 1v1 or bad mindset

[rare fractal]

Well and it was automatically forced to be balanced around its most difficult matchups due to said roster

[limber hull]

The introduction of new animals allows a second look at pachy (cera's entire existence basically is an alarm over pachy's head for balance), and the new roster also permits omni to calm down with animals it was actually built to hunt (galli, troodon, even beipi)

[rare fractal]

As if teno already wasn’t

[limber hull]

true, teno is good, but like, that's it for omni's "good" hunts

Everything else is designed to stomp omni into a paste

[rare fractal]

Oh not about that

Tho true

I mean Pachy having a balancing target on its back

[limber hull]

ah, pachy v teno. Not complained about enough because the whole "herbi v herbi" thing was stigmatised, pachies are often... really bad, and people just assumed that it was a side effect of it surviving carno, so cope tenos

Cera v pachy, however, throws that away. Extremely hyped animal, to the point of vastly overexaggerating what it should be able to do + speed comparable to that of a teno, rather than a carno + small size = recipe for disaster in the matchup

People will lose their goddamn minds if current pachy faces off against cera, because it'll open their eyes to how broken pachy actually is (but knowing them, they'll just want cera buffed to kill it better, rather than pachy nerfed)

[rare fractal]

Mhm….I used to think it was because people seemed to care less about animals that have existed in the game longer than those who come after them, but Omni clearly proves that theory wrong, seems to just be a derivative of the “herb = food” philosophy

Cuz I can’t rationalize it any other way

[rare fractal]

Even tho Pachys entire thing is disabling attacks…you know it would happen tho

Like even if tailslam oneshot Pachy, Pachy would still be just as strong

It’s the legacy Utah vs legacy….anything that isn’t giga or Cerato…scenario all over again

Only teno actually has a lot of skill expression…so people just assume that the teno sucked if it died

Cuz skill closes all gaps…or something

[limber hull]

There's no doubt in my mind pachy will be addressed, but the issue arises on how to do it

[rare fractal]

I think we both know how we would do it, just not sure how they would

[limber hull]

Or more specifically, how will devs do it

[rare fractal]

Mhm that’s what I mean

[limber hull]

the new additions, a fix to pachy and carno, along with the coming buffs to dryo and nerfs to deino's stupid water sense should help in balancing the roster out

[rare fractal]

Mhm, that's all the current roster really needs currently

I am happy that there are some players that can pretty comfortably be left alone tho

Like aside from the stam gauge visuals...omni doesn't need to be touched, teno doesn't need to be touched, ptera's fine tho I would give it some QOL stuff

[rare fractal]

Water clarity as well

[limber hull]

@severe saffron Quetz is being added, but not next update

[desert quarry]

@versed nexus This IS possible. Both of my alt keys are mapped to one key. One key is my #1 (one the right side of the keyboard) and another is a key on my gaming mouse. It can be done.

[uneven mist]

@graceful valve cera and troodon is getting added next update so you will get one that can compete with carno and one night hunter

[graceful valve]

Yeah i know, will be cool for sure, four new playables, finally ,but, Troodon will take down the density of players like i said, like it wasn't bad enought already, and, we were waiting for Dillo to come out now, not that little thing :(, i hope to have fun with it for now, and i hope that Cera can do some damage, can hunt decent dinos, that's all i hope for now, and the update 7.0 until the end of the year.

[rare fractal]

Cera is not a hunter

[lapis swallow]

Nooo, the poor ceratorex believers

Leave em alone!!!

[urban flax]

What's up with people asking for random dinos for the next update lately ?

[rare fractal]

I really will never understand the bizarre fantasy for apocolypse cerato

[uneven mist]

Ive counted: anky, mapu, quetz and majunga lmao

[rare fractal]

Don't forget Carch, Amarga, Nigersaurus, Compy, and Tap

[uneven mist]

Oh yeah, forgot those

[urban flax]

And borealopelta

[uneven mist]

And shungo and the…other Amarga with the forwards spikes that I forgot the name off

[urban flax]

Bajadasaurus ?

[uneven mist]

Yeah that one

Always forget it’s name

[versed nexus]

for now thats brilliant so thank you but i still think it would be good to make in game because i play alot of other games and dont wanna have to change a kb profile everytime

[desert quarry]

I don't understand. I changed mine right in the menu. But, I play Evrima. Do you play Legacy? Maybe Legacy doesn't allow it but Evrima does, at least to an extent.

[versed nexus]

yeah but i mean remapping my alt key can have and effect on other games

[lapis swallow]

The suggesting of random creatures continues

[rare fractal]

The temptation to request something wild for parody (wouldn't actually do this btw)

[urban flax]

Go on
Suggest Haast eagle

[lapis swallow]

Nah, the bigger ostrich that lived with it

[rare fractal]

Nah nah....I'd suggest some permian monstrosity with like..3 and a half legs and no neck

Haast has been suggested too much to be parody

[lapis swallow]

How about a turle called dakotaraptor?

[rare fractal]

Honestly not a bad one

[latent olive]

I pointed this out way earlier and yeah I’m confused too, they all seem like the same person too

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

Interesting idea
Good points
Possibly good change
"Carno is an ambush hunter"
Immediate downvote

The problem with designing carno in this way is it once again forces it into a niche it literally is not suited for

If carno misses that charge (which isn't hard to miss, given the hitbox isn't the size of a small state), this change would basically just mean that it has to either run and spambite, which generally is ineffective, or call quits on the pursuit

Funnelling carno into the niche of ambush hunter again, despite, as I've repeatedly said, being horrid at it.

Plains hunter, needs a running start on its charge move, loud as hell, terrible in dense foliage.

I pray for the day people realise how badly carno is designed at this one thing they're convinced it's supposed to do

[nimble cliff]

The different postures is a neat concept for later in development

[urban flax]

@mental cradle These already exists and they're located on the 1,2,3 and 4 keys on your keyboard

[mental cradle]

dude, that's not what i mean

[urban flax]

You're suggestion is just calls but without the sounds

[mental cradle]

they would not be sounds, they would be postures

[urban flax]

And every calls is accompanied by its own animations so they're postures as well

[mental cradle]

tell me if submission, there is on the keyboard

or dominance

[urban flax]

3-call
Or many people use 1-call for that

[urban flax]

4-call

[mental cradle]

3 call is aggressiveness and 4 is asking for help, they have nothing similar

[tall hearth]

Its about the context the person uses the call in

4 call can both be a call for help and a sign of submission

[mental cradle]

for this reason, the context can be how that person interprets it, what I suggest is that they could add more emojis than just, call, friendly, aggressive and help

[tall hearth]

I would like an emote wheel similar to path of titans. Being able to express more than just calling and idle animations out of my control would be nice.

[mental cradle]

If the devs want to make the best dinosaur game in the world, they have to make it almost as realistic as possible.

[mental cradle]

that's what i mean friend

[uneven mist]

Bump that up to gorgosaurus now lol

[urban flax]

I jut checked it's almost always the same person

Also wth is that last one
Is this The Isle or wikipedia ?

[tame raptor]

i never wouldve expected my borealopelta suggestion wouldnt get dislike bombed, its truly a day of joy

[tall hearth]

It's not cause people dont like it, its cause that's not one of the dinos in the already planned roster of 50+ playables.

[north quiver]

Good luck finding the same species you’re playing as with 50+ playables and only 100 server slots

[tall hearth]

Devs intend on official servers having a limited roster. Unofficials will be able to enable and disable whatever dino they want so, depending on what server you play on, you may or may not have trouble.

Some unofficials will probably bump up their population numbers as well, so it may be even easier than on officials even if they have similar roster sizes

[limber hull]

it is the same guy, and he always wants it next update

he never justifies why it should be added

he just explains it and then says "add"

[urban flax]

His goals are beyond our understanding

[north quiver]

I hope paid unofficials don’t become popular then. It’d suck to have to shell out extra money just to play what you basically already paid for when buying the game. Devs probably won’t even see a single cent from those servers

[tame raptor]

so i mean im surprised it has more likes than dislikes

[full pewter]

While I love gorgosaurus, it’s not a whole lot different from albertosaurus. Although I wish the current albertosaurus we have at least had a lighter build

[barren zephyr]

@swift summit about your idea of hail its not compatible with pters.. Imagine your are flying and start to hail. Where they should go before a heil take down and kill all of them.

[swift summit]

They cling onto a tree maybe

[barren zephyr]

and with the other map idk, but in this map you dont caves or any shelter to stay safe

[limber hull]

i would assume you can escape hail by getting under cover

trees exist

[barren zephyr]

yes, but will be hard implement that

[swift summit]

I mean yea ig but it would make the game more fun imo

[barren zephyr]

its not a bad idea

but need a map desing accompanying that idea

[swift summit]

Yea

Even like maybe getting under some trees like a thick forest can block out the hail because if u think about it maybe the hail slows down and doesn't really hurt

[barren zephyr]

yes is a option, but should be nice have more caves with tunnels connecting them under the map

so when hail starts you could go to that caves and tunnes

[swift summit]

Yea I agree there should be more tunnels

And caves that way the map is more interesting

Like wait just think about it maybe those tunnels can flood with water if there's a flood or heavy rain

[barren zephyr]

yeps, could be a dynamic map

but its hard to improve too 😦

may that way is good when humans come in

[swift summit]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

with tunnels improve the movility to dont be shoot

[swift summit]

I think even having smaller tunnels that go under ground for smaller dinos to seek refuge from bigger dinos and even hail would be awesome

Like imagine ur chasing a baby Utah or beipi and then they run into Like a small hole

[barren zephyr]

yes, could work as a burrow

[swift summit]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

thats a really good idea

small caves for small species

like the hole in the wall where the mouse hides so the cat doesn't eat it

a safe zone of the large dinosaurs but that does not mean that a small aggressive dinosaur can enter and attack you.

[swift summit]

Exactly what I'm thinking

[swift summit]

Yup

Also u have to think smart u can't just stay in there for long because of hunger and thirst BUT hear me out what if u can stockpile food

Like a bear

They keep some food inside of their dens for hibernation

[barren zephyr]

i was thinking on that, the hibernation

no to take the food there

but yes as a "sleep" zone

so you can wait in your cave

[swift summit]

Yea or that

[barren zephyr]

instead in a brush waiting for the sunlight

[swift summit]

But even adding in like the detail of being able to bring in some bits of food that r small

[barren zephyr]

yes some piece of meat you can grab

[swift summit]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

could improve the experience of roleplay when you have a nest

[swift summit]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

with puppies, they could stay "safe" there

while ur hunting for them

[swift summit]

Yea

[remote dock]

I actually agree strongly with the ingame map even just for your own dino. People use websites currently and people with multi monitors have an advantage purely because they can keep the map open on the side without tabbing. like i get why ppl might not want it added. but at the same time. bitches already doing it anyway via unofficial means

even just a map that doesnt show you your location but gives you a layout. then you can use the coords your given to figure it out yourself

[north quiver]

^

[remote dock]

im not suffering im bitches. i have two monitors. and even if i didnt. i have a phone. im just thinking how largely inconveniant having 0 clue what the map looks like ingame is bad. your given your coordinates but not a map to meanfully do a lot with those coords overall

like just toss the spawn screen menu in the tab with growth as a togglable tab

that shows very little but gives an idea what your area is

[graceful valve]

I know they're launching it like a scavanger, but i've hope that i can do some damage with it

[north quiver]

spawn in center as a pt, pull up the map, note down which way is north and south, then start learning the map the hard way. it’ll be painful but once you learn the map, you won’t even need to use the map for anything

[remote dock]

you realize by my own implicstion im not talking from my own standpoint. i know isla spiro. this is extremely anti new player. especially in a game that doesnt even give you a tutorial ingame to understand what dieting is and how mating works

[north quiver]

It deters the 8 and 9 year olds away which is all I need to like it

[remote dock]

i dont need a map anymore due to playing for long. and balancing around grinders is not a good idea

[remote dock]

thats not a young gamer trait. you think they can read coords well

nah fam kids dumb as hell

im not saying it should let you track your whole group

thats a lil to hand holding

[north quiver]

exactly. keep the game more mentally involved to keep the kids away or else you’re going to be seeing a lot more suggestions like “plz buff cera it can’t kill stego” or “plz remove hunger it too hard”

[remote dock]

a game can be mentally invovled while having a basic map that you have to read your own coordinates on. i dont think grouos should be viewable on a map. the only reason theres an arguement for your own location is because it gives you your coords

[north quiver]

reminds me when someone suggested never porting to consoles to keep all of the xbox and playstation kiddies away

[remote dock]

lol

[remote dock]

tho lowkey true most kids dont have a device that can run the isle

like a gaming pc paywall is imo good for the isle lowkey lowkey

not hard supportin it just yk

[north quiver]

frfr

[remote dock]

big dif between kiddo with 700 dollar ps5 and adult who earned the money to get a 2-4k pc

[north quiver]

definitely

[remote dock]

not only that but itll result in devs having to balance around console

like controller support should be there for people who genuinely are better with a controller. but overall. precision from keyboard and mouse floors controller

[north quiver]

no console ports, keep the game bloody and gorey, and keep it rated m

[remote dock]

exactly

as i said there are ways to keep kiddos out. given the spawn screen map that has 0 details. that i think is fine. just have some sort of visual so that its easier for me to explain to friends where center is

mfs overshooting and walkung right by it

honesftly i want them to add the suggestion someone made a while bsck for blood pools

add to the vibe

and like imagine a dead deini in the water causing the ruver ti have red little riplets

[lapis swallow]

@fallow shuttle #offtopic-discussion exists

[fallow shuttle]

yeah but even their i get people saying not to talk about it some times

[lapis swallow]

Because they dont wanna talk about it

Ever thought of that?

[swift summit]

Yes!

[magic magnet]

Tbh these aren’t solutions you have Minecraft for example it does have similar coardination system and it’s full of kids and dream stans another different example is POT and I haven’t heard anything about “nerf or buff” kids the player base is fine and the map Ui is even better without having many annoying kids so it’s not really that kids is the problem

[fallow shuttle]

didnt think it bothered people that much well ive ticked off islecord enough for one day

[swift summit]

Kids r the problem lol

The be annoying af

They*

Also minecraft is a kids game so I'm not sure how the isle and minecraft r similar

[magic magnet]

Yea I know but the map ui if added won’t do many bad things

[magic magnet]

Coordination

[lapis swallow]

The things is, the isle wants to be hardcore survival. You cant just hand out maps to people

[swift summit]

This right here

U need to explore the map guys

And learn it

Like wheres the fun in just being given a map

[whole furnace]

You don’t need a map if there are actual landmarks for people to navigate by. Like how we navigate irl

[magic magnet]

But people already use unofficial websites for map

[lapis swallow]

Or be gigabrain and learn how to use the coord system in your jead

[swift summit]

Exactly

[swift summit]

Well they chose that because they suck at navigation

[lapis swallow]

Yeah but as you said, unofficial. We are not even meant to use it

[swift summit]

Yes what Dino said

[lapis swallow]

Me who used it recently...

[magic magnet]

But most people use it

[whole furnace]

If you know how to use the compass you can get anywhere you need to go

[lapis swallow]

Listen, I was really lost as a ptera

[magic magnet]

And you too

[lapis swallow]

It was like once in 50 hours

[swift summit]

Yes but it's because everyone wants to know the map without exploring

I was a complete beginner and never used a map

I use land marks and stuff

[whole furnace]

Me who has never used a map

[lapis swallow]

And with gateway, if you know the map, you should know because of the landscape

Cause landmarks

[swift summit]

For example when I see the tower by center I know that I'm at center close to the bombed pond

[lapis swallow]

Lame, I memorized the shape of the hills

[magic magnet]

If I was playing solo I won’t use a map even once but when I play with my friend and he’s a beginner he doesn’t know where we meet after he died

[whole furnace]

Lame, I memorized every blade of grass

[swift summit]

That's lame lol imagine looking at earth azz all the time

[whole furnace]

Yo sometimes the earth be THICC

[swift summit]

I agree and a bit sharp

[lapis swallow]

I just locate myself by glancing over the lands, you have to look up

My method is clearly superior

[swift summit]

No

Who said I don't use a combination of strategies

[lapis swallow]

Noooo

[swift summit]

That way I never get lost

[lapis swallow]

My weakness

[whole furnace]

Things are heating up in the navigation fandom

[swift summit]

If I don't see any large land marks I use the danm TREES

The rocks

THE SHAPE OF A DANM BOULDER

[lapis swallow]

I use my eyes

[swift summit]

THE DIRECTION OF WATER AND RIVERS

[whole furnace]

[swift summit]

I use my feet

[whole furnace]

I use my nose

[swift summit]

As a matter of fact I use my nose

U little

[whole furnace]

[swift summit]

I will eat u

How dare u steal my idea

[whole furnace]

Big brains think alike

[lapis swallow]

So you look at your feet and see at which angle you are standing and then you know where you are?

[swift summit]

I use 1 toe

[lapis swallow]

Outfn standing

[whole furnace]

Yeah, pythagoreums theory or whatever

[swift summit]

I use my toe to locate the latitude and longitude of my position then find out if I'm facing north or south

[lapis swallow]

No, he memorised the exact incline of every millimeter of spiro