general-feedback-discussion

[lapis swallow]

What a Gamer!

[cyan flame]

..... xD

[robust dome]

ikr im so good

[urban flax]

I never managed to get to FG as hypsi :(
For some reason it stays 20 kg

[topaz pendant]

Possibly

[robust dome]

460+Hrs on the game be like:

[cyan flame]

It would be nice if more of the nests were like hypsi one, mound nest is not very interactive.

[lapis swallow]

I always kill fg deinos, they give a lot of food

[uneven mist]

Yes, all this would make deino alot more interesting

[robust dome]

1 dead full deino sustains 2 fg deinos....

[urban flax]

Oh thx I will try that next time I play hypsi

[lapis swallow]

As a hypsi

[lapis swallow]

Just use your alt spit (the homing missile)

[uneven mist]

Making the suggestion now

[urban flax]

Seriously
Hypsi spit should have limited auto-aim

Like instead of aiming a point you aim in a circle, if target's eyes are in the circle it automatically spits in the eyes

[robust dome]

Ah mb yes. I just think its too easy as a hypsi so I mentionned a much harder dinosaur to grow with mb

[lapis swallow]

More like a spit shotgun rather than a spit bullet

[robust dome]

it should knock down pteras from trees. I forgot to put that in #general-feedback

[urban flax]

No, no, still a "bullet"
If it was a shotgun hypsi would literally spit more than its own volume and it'd look ridiculous

It would work like a shotgun but still be a singular projectile

[lapis swallow]

That would be fine aswell

[robust dome]

Im sorry for the poor quality but I had to

[barren zephyr]

Legacy wasn't done either when it got implemented. Both games are EA

[robust dome]

@uneven mist I feel like applying all of the mmight be a bit too much. But some of the mwould be good

[uneven mist]

Maybe, but Also deinos hunting success rate should be low, especially considering it’s current lunge. But I’d also kinda wait til gateway cause that seems to have water clarity (on some water sources but it’s better than nothing)

[north quiver]

I like the deino needing to pop its head out to see above water and the jump/dodge

[uneven mist]

I feel like every semi-aquatic should do that too

[rare fractal]

@uneven mist You’ve done well

It’s all coming together

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-ascendant-lord-gif-26374896

[robust dome]

Gateway also seems to have less safe drinking spots so your idea might make sense

[rare fractal]

Even if it didn’t this would still be needed

But gateway makes it far more relevant

[north quiver]

does gateway have nesting grounds?

[uneven mist]

Think so ye

I belive this is one of them

[north quiver]

got me thinking about that nesting ground art. an open area with a river/stream running through it. no one would use it if that was implemented because it’d be a hotspot for deinos

if this is a little pond deinos can’t get into.. 👀

[robust dome]

Yes ikr

I also said that

its just silly

[north quiver]

agreed

it’d be different if deinos killed only for food and didn’t kill more than they needed, but most players aren’t like that

[robust dome]

realistically it takes too much energy to consider hunting small things. But the isle..

[north quiver]

70% deinos religiously hunting down fresh spawn omnis on land:

[barren zephyr]

Kaprosuchus

[tall hearth]

@olive swift that's already the plan, including for specific dinos too. So if servers want only smalls as an option, itll be toggleable.

[olive swift]

well, we know how plans turn out

[tall hearth]

Plans can change but I dont see why community server options like that would ever change. It's more of a matter of when it happens, not if it happens.

[icy lion]

Humans are already toggleable on unofficials

[olive swift]

when they come out

i mean when they are on officials

[icy lion]

Alright, the option to disable them won't be removed from unofficials

[olive swift]

thank god

and the devs

[rare fractal]

Lol...."add update 5 utah back"

I'd actually consider U5 omni more painful to deal with than current carno tbh

[uneven mist]

They mostly want their overpowered raptor to solo the whole world

[north quiver]

@tranquil basin Absolutely not. Family sharing is disabled for a reason. Making multiple slots for a server would basically give the same advantages back again. This isn’t PoT, and it shouldn’t be

[tranquil basin]

I'm not saying make it like PoT, I'm just pointing out it takes stupidly long to grow dinosaurs why should we have to wait for it to die or swap servers just to play a different dinosaur? Especially considering after a while of playing just one dinosaur can get boring after a while. If I wanted it to be like PoT I'd just play PoT.

[north quiver]

If it’s long and you don’t want to commit the time to it, then you don’t have to. Having multiple slots is easily abusable. Especially in the revenge killing field

You specifically may not abuse it but a lot of people most definitely will

I most certainly would if it’s there, then why not

[tranquil basin]

People will still find a way to revenge kill if people like it or not. I obviously will commit time to it as I do, people will abuse every mechanic as much as they can. If people don't want to get revenge killed play on a unofficial with rules. Slots are nice cause not everyone has all the time in the world to grow a Dino then get bored of it then have to kill it off just to play a different dinosaur, cause let's be honest people probably won't be swapping between servers just so they can play a different dinosaur cause the server they are currently playing is populated and they are enjoying playing on that server.

[north quiver]

People do all the time to avoid growing again. Adding slots just enables it more and makes it far more common

[tranquil basin]

I am aware but like I said, if people don't want to get revenge killed then play on a server with rules. It's a very simple issue solved.

[north quiver]

Then if people want to grow quickly without long growth times because they want to play a different dino on the same server, then they can play on a server with low growth times when that server option is added. Issue solved

[gentle flint]

There are also already servers with free grows if the time is an issue for people

[north quiver]

^

[uneven mist]

You can also:
Play something that takes less hours to grow
Or
Play on different sittings. You don’t have to grow only one time

[gentle flint]

It’s not JUST an issue of revenge killing either. It can also be used to escape harm, if you see you’re being hunted, which can cause a carnivore to miss a kill because it just wasted all its time hunting you just for you to vanish last second when you switch.

[tranquil basin]

There could be a timer for that to prevent that just like safe logging, people should be able to still experience the entire growth time if they'd like without having to die or swap servers to just play different dinosaurs. There is ways to prevent the negatives in this.

[gentle flint]

Not really. If you see you’re being hunted by a small carnivore, people can use that to hop on their bigger carnivore now knowing where the smaller one is for a quick, easy meal. I just don’t know why you wouldn’t switch servers when that’s already an option that’s extremely easy.

[north quiver]

No, that wouldn’t prevent anything at all. If the wait timer is too long, people will just leave and not even bother. If it’s not long, they will just wait it out to come in with their steg to body camp or carno to kill you because they now know exactly where you are, and know you might be wounded if they fought back

[tranquil basin]

A longer wait timer really isn't that bad, this game has a lot of patience in it you can wait a timer to log a dinosaur. You'd have to be in the menu so you couldn't be doing anything anyways to fight back. Plus you coming back on something else to mess with the person who attacked you still happens without slots especially if players have friends to play with.

[rare fractal]

How dare I not be permitted to outplay the entire roster alone

[north quiver]

You can literally get into a different server just as fast if wait timers were longer. All this enables is more easy revenge killing and more abusable things you can do with extra slots, which will damage the game experience for many players

As for coming back as something else to mess with the person, there’s not much you can do to actually do damage without getting slaughtered

[bright abyss]

I would prefer to sacrifice the dinosaur to create a new one if I get bored of the current one

[jade schooner]

@wanton wind a backwards kick on a bipedal animal while running doesn’t really work, unless it’s stationary. I’d argue their defensive abilities while running could be like a “dirt cloud”, instead of a kick, unlike quadrupeds that can rest their weight on arms and lift their hind legs, a biped doesn’t have that much movement range backwards.

I’d keep the loss of speed you mentioned because they’d be putting strength on lifting dirt.

Their kicks should be kept only for forward attacks.

[limber hull]

deino mains who can't figure out how easy it is to kill a stego gonna upvote

cant believe i'm stego's number one fan despite never playing it because it's boring as all hell

[crystal trail]

You can also swim away from a stego and it ceases being an issue for you

[limber hull]

You'd be surprised how many deino players can't resist the allure of a fishing hook without bait that is Stego tail

[crystal trail]

It's kinda like when people get killed by slow moving bulldozers in movies, you know where they stand in the same spot for like 5 minutes as it slowly rolls towards them

[rose sonnet]

youd be suprised how confused some stego players are whenever they dunk their body in a croc infesed pond and the dienos dont just instant die

[potent dome]

I am a dieno main and I have seen Countless adult dienos die to a stego fishing

[limber hull]

Natural selection, frankly

[potent dome]

agreed

[rose sonnet]

ive have seen more people die to the suprise bush stego

suprisingly

[potent dome]

I havent seen many bush stegos recently maybe because I dont usually go on land and look for trouble. xD

[rose sonnet]

fair enough

although i hadnt played dieno since they had broken utah

[potent dome]

It pretty chaotic this update to many cannies so its brutal rn

gonna read the devblog and I will be right back

I already like that server owners can control what dinos are allowed to be played on the server.

[limber hull]

@rare crescent Dryo has just been revealed to have one of the most powerful night visions in the game, making it an insanely good nocturnal herbivore, as well as having dodges moved to a charge system, rather than costing stam

It's getting tons of love next update

It won't be invalidated by galli

[potent dome]

yeah, i just saw the notes. I love the idea of 1, crocs cant detect prey underwater and 2, the dolphin leap for the beipy

[limber hull]

yea, deinos got some needed changes

now juvis stand far more of a chance with stealth

[potent dome]

yeah, its also gonna be harder to hunt fish xD

[limber hull]

Thank God for that too tho

Fish are a crutch atm for deinos

[rare crescent]

Its still sounds like <night galli>
What's the problem with finally giving it the promised burrowing mechanics? It's been a few years since the introduction of dryo into the game, why can't we finally give it something special during this time that sets him apart compared to other dinosaurs? Now every dinosaur is unique, but only dryo has literally run. And night vision too, yes. This is not unique, it's just the elevation of general mechanics to the absolute.

[limber hull]

it being nocturnal is a niche that absolutely makes it very unique, i personally dont feel that burrows really add too much to dryo's gameplay, being stationary in a hole doesn't fit will with dryo's skittish and enduring nature

we've never had a nocturnal herbi before, and this nocturnal playstyle gives it unique interactions with animals like troodon

[rare crescent]

It's still not unique enough. It's just "now you have excellent night vision," and everyone has night vision itself. Every dinosaur must have a unique mechanic that others don't have - and drio was promised a digging mechanic.

I wouldn't say anything if the developers hadn't promised the mechanics of digging. But they promised. It has been several years since the introduction of dryo into the game, and so far this mechanic has not been created. It's like introducing an omni without a pounce or a stego without a tail kick.

It can be said that omni is a daytime predator that imposes a lot of blood. And just give it a lot of bleed from the bite without giving a pounce. Is it unique?

[rare fractal]

I’d say yes, just less unique

[limber hull]

nocturnalism in itself is a niche that i was hopeful dryo would be a part of, not only for the unique element, but also in the sense of it actually having a true rival in troodon

dryo has for the longest time both had absolutely nothing to consider a rival/matchup (instantly dying to every carnivore on the roster who presses RMB besides ptera), and no unique niche. Nocturnalism solves both these issues

[rare crescent]

I don't agree with you. Without the mechanics of digging, it's not that unique. Even the troodon has venom mechanics. And dryo won't even be able to fight back, it has neither a damag nor a place to hide. It's just a running dinosaur that has good night vision. Uniqueness is not enough for it.

[limber hull]

i dont really see how digging changes that though?

its not unique to dryo to dig

several other animals will be able to do so

[rare fractal]

No other animal in the game has a dedicated dodge ability but dryo

It’s categorically unique enough

NV enhances that niche further

[limber hull]

that too

the dodge also is becoming exceptionally unique in U6.5

Relying on a unique resource rather than stam

[rare fractal]

I hope the cooldown doesn’t remain that long….cuz that cooldown is quite colossal if dryo isn’t getting any faster

[limber hull]

yea i agree

they did say the cooldown would be looked at

[rare fractal]

That’s good

Because pragmatically a successful ddoge buys you 5-10 seconds before you need to o it maneuver again

[rare crescent]

According to several concept arts, it can be judged that the mechanics of digging has three divisions. 1. The creature penetrates into the hole and occupies it without digging it on its own. 2. The creature can dig a small hole. 3. The creature can dig several holes, making ala mazes (which suits dryo). The mechanics of digging will greatly affect the gameplay of the dryo, tying it to a certain place that needs to be developed and protected. Unlike other creatures that lead a nomadic lifestyle, the survival of the dryo will directly depend on the correctness of the place of survival - that is, the convenience of building a burrow. The better the place where the burrow is located, the longer the drio will survive. And since other creatures will not be able to dig such good burrows, mazes, this will make this survival exceptional. The dodge mechanics are unique, but it's not enough for some players to give dryo priority in choosing a dinosaur. Right now, dryo is just light meat on its feet. Then this meat will just be a little better, but still not enough for the drio to have more than 1-5 players on the entire server.

[north quiver]

n-nocturnal dryo…?

[limber hull]

its confirmed baby

[north quiver]

dryo my beloved

I can finally die in peace now

[rare fractal]

There are quite literally 2 carnis on land dryo can’t straight up run away from in a straight line within the completed roster that it can’t directly fight, these being Omni and Carno.
Burrowing as a mechanic would only facilitate the escape of these two animals….unless they’re subs of either, then the dryo has simply sacrificed its mobility for seclusion, which is something it can already do above ground

It doesn’t play to its strengths at all

Even with a Labrinth or multiple openings

Burrows lose a lot of their function when you can’t prevent invasions because you’re too physically weak, and when the larger threats that burrows prevent from being threats can already be countered above ground

[limber hull]

burrows can work well, but they really dont see much point with dryo specifically

[rare fractal]

It also has a lot of overlap with hamolo accept hamolo actually CAN defend its burrows

[rare crescent]

The presence of digging mechanics will help in survival, because dryo can hide there and survive if it accumulates enough food inside. I would like dryo to be given an even stronger kick attack, but my message right now is about the mechanics of digging. If you look at the game "Beasts of Bermuda", then the formation of a game character capable of digging greatly increases the popularity of this creature. Right now in The Isle only fex people play as dryo, and its sad.

[rare fractal]

Subterranean Galli….

[limber hull]

good news, we're getting several dedicated burrowers that all do the job better than dryo

[rare fractal]

And yeah we already have Ava, hamolo, proto, etc

[limber hull]

if U6.5 dryo is night galli, burrowing dryo is hole galli, i dont see the point

[rare crescent]

There is no point in discussing whether the mechanics of digging dryo are needed or not. The developers promised it to this creature, so they should introduce it, since the dryo has ALREADY been playable for several years. Or they should change their plans for the creature and admit it publicly.

[limber hull]

i dont care if it gets burrowing or not, but my argument is dryo now has a substantial niche in U6.5

burrowing isn't needed to "fix" its lack of players

[rare fractal]

Well I definitely don’t see 6.5 dryo as a night Galli given how the only predator it just straight up runs from casually is Cerato

[limber hull]

that too

its speed has been nerfed to a point where it cannot possibly be labelled as such anymore

and, hot take, i think that nerf was a step in the right direction

[rare fractal]

Well, it was

I think it was a tad too much but it was

[rare crescent]

As the practice of another competitive game shows, the presence of digging just makes the creature more popular. Even if it is weak.

[limber hull]

dryo's "galli-lite" vibe was just boring, this newer slower dryo, given that it has the U6.5 buffs, will make it genuinely unique

And as the practice of legacy shows, being very capable at night and having a rival makes a creature more popular

[rare fractal]

I don’t understand how giving burrowing to an animal not at all optimized for burrowing would be better for it than giving it a unique niche simply because another game wi tho dinosaurs in it has a small herbivore that also burrows and thus makes it played

Dilo moment

[limber hull]

Dilo was beloved in legacy

It was EVERYWHERE, people like the concept of being a nocturnal creature

Hiding in the dark is inherently interesting and fascinating

[rare crescent]

Am I saying that drio needs to remove the niche of a nocturnal herbivore? I say it needs to add digging. Which has been promised for many years.

[rare fractal]

Also the goal isn’t necessarily to make dryo super popular, because ofcourse dryo being the only animal in game that can burrow would make it popular, but as soon as another burrowed gets added dryo stops getting played

[limber hull]

But you're acting as if dryo cannot possibly ever be fun unless it gets burrowing

Which I have to disagree with

[rare fractal]

Why tho, aside from the promise…

What about its playstyle gets enhanced by immobility and subterranean habitation

It’s foundationally opposed to both of these traits

[limber hull]

nocturnalism cool

[rare fractal]

Nocturnalism very cool

Glad Carno got axed in the NV department

Will probably just log on Carno at night tho

[limber hull]

Do kinda hope it gets a niche change to not starve at mach speed tho

Alongside more small-game oriented hunting

[rare crescent]

Because at the moment this creature is practically not popular. And after adding night vision without enhancing it, it is unlikely to become more popular. And it makes me sad, because I want to play as a dryo and enjoy this dinosaur, and not just be an easy prey. Drio lacks either strength or a unique safe spot.

[rare fractal]

Oh for sure….I don’t really get how they expect it to keep up with its metabolism whilst simultaneously surviving on small meals

[limber hull]

Adding an INSANE night vision already enhances it, and on top of that, its dodge is being enhanced, burrowing really doesn't enhance it to such an extent that it changes everything, as we've already explained

[rare crescent]

Small dinosaurs should be more popular than large ones. Otherwise, there will be an advantage of the ecosystem.

[rare fractal]

It got a NV giga buff and a massive dodge buff

Dryo is changing quite a bit

[limber hull]

Dryo can quite literally treat night as day, that's pretty damn good

[north quiver]

I call that a huge win. It has a huge chance of survival now

[rare fractal]

Also I’m just baffled by the concept of going to whatever lengths necessary to increase the popularity of an unpopular dino

Make it play into its niche and be successful, then it will be played

I mean…just look at ptera

[rare crescent]

I don't care what buffs are given to this creature. Dryo was PROMISED before and PROMISED now to introduce the mechanics of digging. Developers must publicly admit that they have changed their plans for this creature, or introduce what has already been promised. This is the main point of my words. Otherwise, what was the point of promising it before? In order not to enter the promised? It's OK to change plans, but they need to be voiced.

[rare fractal]

Doesn’t bug me

Do what’s best for the animal, a mediocre counterintuitive idea is still just that even if it’s been said it will happen

[rare crescent]

Such things directly affect the transparency of development. It is important for the community to understand what is happening in the game and what will happen next. Such "little things" are important.

[rare fractal]

Ok, but we’re talking about the merit of the mechanic

[limber hull]

we have creatures planned that do burrowing better (minmi, proto, ava, taco, so on), dryo is by far the worst at the niche, the discussion is not "what promises have the devs made", it's "do we think that dryo having the unique nocturnal niche benefits its popularity as a playable", to wich i respond yes

[rare fractal]

Dev integrity is an entirely different topic

[limber hull]

i dont care about dev problems, i care about how changes can positively or negatively impact a certain animal. Nocturnalism does that

[rare crescent]

I do not deny that the niche of the nocturnal herbivore is very good for dryo. I'm loving it. But this creature was promised DIGGING. Let the developers stick to their promises, or publicly change them. Digging does not prevent the creature from being nocturnal.

[limber hull]

Okay, but digging is also way harder than scaling up NV

Especially considering they're also in the process of changing engines, including changing the map to use its new systems

[rare fractal]

What do you actually think of the mechanic tho….

The promise is whatever…

Like do you just want it cuz it’s something they said they would do or do you actually think it coalesces with dryo’s kit?

[limber hull]

^

It really isn't necessary, at all, they could just add an actual dedicated burrower instead

[rare crescent]

It is important to me that developers stick to their promises and conduct transparent development. It is very important. And since they promise digging, they are obligated to do it. Or abandon it. Now it looks like the developers have changed their plans - and they are OBLIGED to talk about it. But now we see a total disregard for the topic with the mechanics of digging. This is wrong.

[limber hull]

So you don't actually care about the mechanic itself, but the principle behind the promises

[rare fractal]

Ok....but what do you actually think about the mechanic

The dev promises are entirely irrelevant to this topic

[limber hull]

The dev promised an infinitely growing deino at some point so like

IDK what I can say except plans change

[rare fractal]

Beta moment

It happens

[rare crescent]

Specifically, I think that advanced digging with digging labyrinths-burrows would suit drio. And I want the developers to publicly highlight their plans for this. Because now there is not a word about it, just ignoring the topic with digging. And the digging was PROMISED. This is how we were promised full of blood and full interactive skeletons in Update 6, and we got a year later... almost none of it.

[rare fractal]

yes yes we know it was promised...why do you think it suits dryo tho

[limber hull]

I don't see how it suits dryo but sure, I see it far better fitting taco the burrow king

[rare crescent]

It's perfectly normal to change your plans during the development process. It's NOT normal to be silent and ignore it. If the developers have changed their plans, they are obliged to publicly notify the community about it.

[limber hull]

Or

They can get there when they get there

Because it's very apparent burrowing isnt a priority atm

[rare crescent]

My main point is just about the promises of developers. Why I think it goes dryo is my personal opinion, which may not coincide with the developers. But at the moment they did not say anything about the fact that they would not introduce the mechanics of digging dryo. And that's bad. I can assume that, for example, utahraptor should occupy a niche of a single hunter, but the developers have publicly talked about his collectivism.

[rare fractal]

Utahraptor has never been described as a solo hunter

Nor is it in game

[rare crescent]

But dryo was described as a digging animal

[rare fractal]

Nor has it been developed at all

[limber hull]

I feel that's more out of just sticking to where legacy walked, rather than considering if it fits

Dryo burrowed in legacy, so devs just see it as "the burrow animal", even if that role doesn't really fit now in EVRIMA

[rare crescent]

At the beginning of the development of evrima, the developers said that dryo WOULD dig holes, but they should improve this mechanics. Several years have passed, and there are no words about it. It's bad.

[limber hull]

And now we're getting a true, expanded roster of actual dedicated burrowers

[limber hull]

I feel you're taking it far too seriously.

[rare fractal]

dryo's current existence is the public acknowledgement that plans have changed...

[limber hull]

Dryo has traditionally been able to exist fine without hiding in a hole in EVRIMA

[rare crescent]

It will be perfectly fine for me if dryo doesn't dig holes. But developers should publicly say this, and not just ignore this mechanics that was promised.

[limber hull]

Developers say a lot of things, there exists something called "changed plans"

[rare fractal]

Why not, it doesn't fit the animal and they're moving it's niche in a more mobile direction

Also if they tweeted randomly "dryo don't burrow no more" would that entirely fix the issue?

[limber hull]

You're acting as if them not saying "dryo don't burrow" is some kind of sin

[rare crescent]

I will repeat. They have the right to change plans, but this needs to be reported. Changed plans == just ignore community questions.

[rare fractal]

Dryo's existence currently is the public notice that plans for it have changed

Dodge is getting further work

That is dryo's role now

It's getting better NV...etc

None of this facilitates burrowing

[rare crescent]

Usually, if developers change plans, they report it. As, for example, they changed the name of utahraptor to omni. But they still don't talk about the mechanics of digging. You can assume as much as you like that they have changed their plans, but transparency is important in development. They are obliged to report this, as well as update the trello, for example.

[limber hull]

they reported the name change because it was part of an update?

digging has not been a part of any update yet

[rare crescent]

I don't mind if Dryo's digging is removed. I am against if digging is promised, but not introduced into the game.

[rare crescent]

But they promised and still promise this mechanics.

This is the point

[limber hull]

no they havent?

they really dont talk about it

they aren't leading us on

[rare crescent]

Where did they publicly say that dryo would not dig anymore? I just saw "digging in development".

Ignorance isnt the “dryo wont be able to dig”

[limber hull]

they aren't still promising it

you say they are, but they aren't

"Not currently, at least in relation to dryo. Like we've had some basic prototype work on the burrowing system itself, but I can't share any details. So until it's slated for a specific update, you probably won't hear much about it till then."

[rare crescent]

They just stopped talking about digging. They started ignoring it. They have not said publicly that digging will no longer be a part of Mechanic dryo. Or I missed something.

[limber hull]

It's not a priority, nor have they said they want to directly pursue burrowing for dryo

[limber hull]

also they talked about it today, but they aren't constantly promising it, they only talk about it when asked about it

[urban flax]

I just read the devblog, and I don't understand the conversation
Burrowing hasn't been mentioned at all ? I think it's safe to assume they just aren't working on it rn

[rare crescent]

This can be understood as "there will be a dig at the dryo, but it is still in development and it is unclear when it will appear."

[urban flax]

Which doesn't mean dryo WILL or WON'T get burrowing

[limber hull]

he's convinced that the devs not adding burrowing is some act of deceit and a terrible evil act or something

[rare crescent]

Im not “he”

[limber hull]

Exactly, so what's the problem

[urban flax]

Did I miss something ? Burrowing was supposed to come out in update 6.5 ?

[rare crescent]

The problem for me is that the developers did not directly say that there would be no digging. And the creature is already in the game. It's like putting a troodon in the game without poison or an omni without a pounce.

[limber hull]

nope! i really dont understand the fixation

[limber hull]

troodon is being added without mimicry

[rare crescent]

For me its bad too.

[limber hull]

hypsi was added without climbing

deino was added without vertical lunge

omni was added without its unique scamper up trees mechanic seen in its concept art

[rare crescent]

And for me its all bad.

[limber hull]

stego was added without tools to deal with animals like rex

pachy was added without fracture severity

[rare crescent]

If something is promised to beings, they are obliged to have it. They have already been introduced into the game, they are already gaming. And so it turns out that the creatures are introduced into the game unfinished, and are taken to work with other creatures.

[urban flax]

They could also have made us wait 6 extra months for each update so they could add these mechanics but I'm not certain people would have been happy about it

[limber hull]

unless we just want to never have animals added until every single mechanic they're ever going to have be 100% be accounted for, I really don't see the fixation. They're still more than likely going to have said things, but they don't prioritise these minor additions because the animal can exist fine without them within the current roster

[north quiver]

would you rather A:
Have a playable now that’s in a very playable state

OR

Not get any playable until it’s completely and utterly finished and all flushed out (probably won’t come out for years)

[limber hull]

U6.5 dryo appears more than capable of surviving in the ecosystem given its abilities, even sans burrow

So it's not truly pressing to REQUIRE this mechanic be spent tons of time on

Perhaps when proto or another burrower comes out, they can add dryo to the burrower list

But for now, dryo can exist fine above ground

[rare crescent]

I'm tired of answering. I will say for the last time - if it is promised, then there should be open work on it. If a creature is introduced into the game without an important component of its gameplay, then either it is no longer in its plans (and this should be reported), or it is in development (and it should be shown). The developers had a whole year before the 6th update, and we got almost nothing but problems with balance and optimization.

[rare fractal]

I just went through some messages from punch today, burrowing is planned for dryo but is not at all priority atm

There's your confirmation

[limber hull]

already told them

they dont care

[rare fractal]

Well that's that then

[limber hull]

It's some constant attachment to some ethical need to have everything be 100% done

[north quiver]

dryo practically cannot die now if the person playing it pays attention and avoids people’s nv range (AKA only coming out at night and hiding or even logging at day)

[limber hull]

Even if it can exist fine without

[north quiver]

burrowing isn’t crucial for it right now

[limber hull]

Exactly, U6.5 dryo is basically goddamn immortal at night

Which is a cool niche, because it means it's not galli-lite

It's strong at night, weak at day, can exist as both

[rare fractal]

hopefully gets a combat enhancement for troodon

[limber hull]

That too

[rare fractal]

Since it'll have to fight them now more than ever

[north quiver]

the ballsy or new dryos will be waltzing around at day

[limber hull]

Dryo being insanely survivable in certain hours as it can easily avoid far too powerful predators is really cool

(much better than just dying to said predators)

throwing on the troodon as a competition is great

[rare fractal]

wonder what kind of combat enhancements it may get

Cuz it...well...current power level dryo in 6.5 would go 25 minutes before flooding balance feedback

[north quiver]

I wonder how many bites a troodon can survive from a dryo

[rare fractal]

well that's honestly less important....dryo is slower, has a pathetically tiny attack hitbox, and will still probably require a good 3-4 hits

the hitbox size and the speed are the main factors

Which wouldn't be too deprecating if it had better attacks

[north quiver]

So dryo might get demolished

[rare fractal]

like forget about how much damage you do...try hitting the damn things

faster than adult omnis, same size as a mid sized juvi

[urban flax]

Dodge could deal some damage and knock over things in your way ?

If they're smaller than you that is

[rare fractal]

That would be neat

Tho the cooldown would need to be a fraction of it's shown time for that to work

Because while the recharge is going on the dryo is helpless

[limber hull]

@dull kettle they said the cooldown is still to be tested, and it not taking stam is a significantly positive change

[rare fractal]

Ideally it gets a severe cooldown buff, which is likely

[north quiver]

the dodge charges seem to regenerate decently fast imo after looking at the video. not really a nerf at all. it now won’t touch precious stam that you need to outrun and out maneuver things

[rare fractal]

@ruby sierra It's probably not UE5 since the conversion hasn't been completed yet

[ruby sierra]

I hope so

[rare fractal]

They've mentioned nanite is a major reason behind the conversion in the first place....if nanite is used properly "rendering grass" shouldn't even be apart of the islecord lexicon anymore

So it's probably not un EU5

[ruby sierra]

Perhaps, but didn't last month's dev blog say that Gateway meshes were converted to nanite and that clip was on Gateway. But we'll probably won't find out before the map is out in public.

[rare fractal]

Not sure...either way the rendering process isn't fully converted otherwise this kind of loading wouldn't even exist

[limber hull]

i also think nanite does have its own performance issues lmao

[ruby sierra]

Unless they use it as optimization

[limber hull]

they're still mucking with the tech to see how best to make it work

[rare fractal]

Hence why the conversion itself is taking so long

They're working with an engine that even in of itself is being developed

[hearty sphinx]

Is this happening on official servers?

[uneven mist]

Maybe, don’t know but unofficials definitely

[limber hull]

most likely not, although it will more than likely be a part of disabling rex and trike on officials when those are out

[rare fractal]

For rex and trike yes

[uneven mist]

I see you got your nocturnal dryo

[limber hull]

i did

[uneven mist]

[limber hull]

i am somewhat pleased with this development

the nicheless animal given a niche

everything finally has a purpose and place in the ecosystem

the game is actually forming up to be a goddamn ecosystem and not a brawldown

[uneven mist]

Imagine going for the diets that gives dryo better nv with the nv buff, Jesus crist it would be like day

[limber hull]

exactly

which is why my dryo will subsist purely on sunchoke

night will become day

not a soul shall ever sneak up on me

[uneven mist]

Troodon and dryo will have a night fight

[limber hull]

the dark will be my home

and the moment it becomes day i'm GONE

[tardy talon]

I’m sorry but giving dryo better night vision won’t give it a niche nor will it make people play it

it still gets run down by two out of 3 land hunters

[uneven mist]

Kinda does give it a niche. Makes it a nocturnal herbivore

[tardy talon]

it has nothing to do

[north quiver]

Can’t get run down if they can never see you

[tardy talon]

until daytime comes 🤷‍♂️

[north quiver]

Hide at day. Embrace nocturnal

Reject diurnal

[tardy talon]

interesting. maybe it should have, idk, a special place to hide?

some kind of underground shelter maybe?

burrowing would actually complement nocturnal dryo immensely

[north quiver]

Bushes. Idc for burrows it’s up to devs if they want that in. A happy surprise if it’s added, not much changed if it’s not

[tardy talon]

ah yes sitting in a bush for half the in game time

intriguing gameplay!

[north quiver]

Embrace the bush

[tardy talon]

burrows, especially if they were expandable and modular would add so much depth to dryo gameplay

[north quiver]

Love the bush. Sniff the bush

[urban flax]

Still better than the sitting in a bush for 100% of the time that current dryo is

[tardy talon]

sure but that’s a pretty low bar

tbh i think the whole argument above was thrown off by the idea that dryo is either nocturnal or burrowing

why not both?

[urban flax]

What would you expect from dryo ? Going around killing omnis like in update 3 ?

[tardy talon]

no i expect it to be fun to play 🤭

giving it better night vision doesn’t really make it more fun

[north quiver]

Both would be nice but the nocturnal addition is definitely what it needed (because burrowing isn’t going to be added anytime soon)

[tardy talon]

no reason it couldn’t be though

let’s be honest it’s not even a nocturnal niche it’s just a stat buff

[urban flax]

How do you make something nocturnal apart from giving it great nightvision ?

[north quiver]

Probably not a necessity on their list right now. Yea it could be but it’s probably not. It might be prioritized in your eyes or someone else’s but potentially not in theirs

[tardy talon]

i mean i think making all of your roster fun to play is pretty important but sure bro it’s whatever

[north quiver]

being a phantom of the night is fun. you’ll never be seen at night if you don’t want to be seen

^except by troodon I’d imagine

[tardy talon]

i mean look at troodon, it’s incentivized to use its high night vision to stalk and ambush prey, but it’s less effective in daytime due to increased visibility. something similar could be done with dryo to make it actually have something to do instead of run away.

[rare fractal]

That's literally exactly how dryo works

It's incentivized to move in open areas during the night because it can utilize it's long range NV to spot plains predators long before they see it to find food

[tardy talon]

i’m not sure exactly what you could do with dryo in its current state (though giving it burrowing would def help a lot) but it should have something to actually do.

[tardy talon]

ok so i can see predators from far away, fun.

[north quiver]

If you think about it, a burrow would just be like a bush 2.0.. You make one to what- sit in it for an hour?

[rare fractal]

Ok so it's not your playstyle

[tardy talon]

that’s a great tool to use for a nocturnal playstyle, but it’s not a playstyle on its own.

[rare fractal]

Because that IS fun to me

Evasion through a lack of detection is absolutely a playstyle

[tardy talon]

can you explain to me what you find fun about running to food while easily avoiding danger? i’m genuinely interested, because maybe i’m arguing in bad faith here

[north quiver]

Evade predator detection. Play the stealth route no one ever takes in optional stealth missions in other games

[tardy talon]

stealth games are specifically designed to create challenges for the player, this is basically the opposite of that

[rare fractal]

1: Avoiding predators far larger than you through maintaining a trajectory outside their sight vision and accounting for possibly multiple predators at once in this same way is really interesting to me.
2: Dryo literally has to fight troodons.

[tardy talon]

burrows should be modular ideally. you would expand a burrow over time until you decide to migrate to a new area.

[rare fractal]

It's just really unimportant to the playstyle tbh

[tardy talon]

i thought dryo was going to be able to run away from troodon? or is it gonna be slower than them too?

[rare fractal]

Dryo is slower than omni by a fair bit...troodon is faster than omni

[tardy talon]

oh great so dryo is slower than all land hunters now cool

[barren crater]

I think the speed diff is too high

[rare fractal]

Well same

But regardless troodon will be faster than dryo

It has to fight them

[tardy talon]

dryo was actually somewhat fun when it was as fast as omni. still needed more to actually do, but it was fun.

[rare fractal]

Meaning dryo will probably be getting a combat update

[rare fractal]

I found it incredibly bland...now it's actually challenging escaping omnis

I still think it's too slow but still, a step in the right direction

[barren crater]

45km/h dryo

[rare fractal]

My beloved

Maybe even 46

[barren crater]

yeah

[rare fractal]

45 is the sweet spot tho

[north quiver]

47

[rare fractal]

Wait how fast is omni again?

[barren crater]

46.8

[rare fractal]

Ok so yeah...45

[tardy talon]

omni should have to ambush a dryo if it wants to catch it, imo,

considering how light dryo is it only seems fair

[rare fractal]

Why, dryo isn't galli, having to juke is it's entire identity

And it makes it more challenging and skill expressive

[tardy talon]

45 would be fine but right now it’s far too unbalanced in the omni matchup

[rare fractal]

The only thing that's been holding it back significantly is stam

[tardy talon]

low tiers should be easy to grasp, incentivizing more people to play them… right now we got the opposite

[rare fractal]

Best part about dryo, if you enter a forest you're effectively gone

[rare fractal]

Why, actually that's the opposite of how the low tiers are being designed....

[tardy talon]

except for one bit and now you’re bleeding

[rare fractal]

The animals range in skill expression from smallest to largest bar teno

[tardy talon]

oh? that’s interesting

[north quiver]

Tracking is horrible in the game. They won’t be able to track you easily even while bleeding

[rare fractal]

Dryo is harder to play than omni, omni is harder to play than pachy, pachy is harder to play than carno...teno has the highest skill ceiling in the game...deino and stego are self explanatory

[tardy talon]

i would assume that the animals that are meant to be the smallest in number would be the hardest to play, but i guess that’s not true

[rare fractal]

Yeah tracking is indeed scuffed

[rare fractal]

No, that's a distinction in playstyle not difficulty

[tardy talon]

what?

[limber hull]

whereas sitting in a hole does, somehow

[tardy talon]

modular burrowing = sitting in a hole ig

[rare fractal]

Smaller targets require numbers to attack larger threats....those larger threats don't necessarily require a massive amount of skill to fend off those groups tho

[rare fractal]

Sounds about right honestly

You can't even defend said hole...you're a dryo

[north quiver]

So you dig more holes then sit in them

[limber hull]

or we can give modular burrowing to more dedicated burrowers, rather than animals clearly well-designed for above ground mobility

proto and ava can defend their homes, homalos can squeeze into tiny holes no one else can, taco can create the labyrinth

dryo is better running outside the hole than staying within

[rare fractal]

homalo is also built like a sledge hammer

[limber hull]

that too

[rare fractal]

a tiny one...but still a sledge hammer

[tardy talon]

so explain to me your nocturnal dryo. how does it play?

[limber hull]

you enter its tiny little opening to its home and it cracks you open like a walnut

[tardy talon]

my understanding is you run around a field and then hide in a bush

[rare fractal]

You utilize your widened NV range to see targets faster and stronger than you before they can, and create a travel path around their vision radius

[limber hull]

Also I forgot to mention Minmi, who could potentially mix its burrows with the water to create a very difficult to reach home for most predators

[rare fractal]

The only ones that could are sub bary's and austro

[tardy talon]

me when i run past the completely oblivious omni pack (exciting gameplay)

[rare fractal]

It's funny how you keep describing gameplay elements that I genuinely find entertaining with the caveat that they simply aren't....because you don't like them

Literally just not your playstyle

That's all I can surmise at this point, because you do actually have to pay attention to the several carnos in the plains running around like maniacs

[limber hull]

Dryo, however, has no special integrations with burrows. It's on the larger end of most burrowers, meaning its burrows will be larger and easier to access by more species, except unlike ava, minmi or proto, it doesn't have the defensive power to help it survive said attacks. It's nimble and quick, something weakened by being in small, claustrophobic spaces.

[tardy talon]

i mean if you find that fun that’s great, i don’t think a lot of the playerbase will though

[rare fractal]

And again...you'll have to fight troodons

[limber hull]

And dilo

[rare fractal]

The sheer volume of people that are ecstatic about this change seem to disagree

[tardy talon]

multiple entrances go brrrrr

[limber hull]

It's still a hole, it's still claustrophobic

[rare fractal]

Sub omni, juvi carno, or troodon moment

Hiding in a hole renders you free food to any predator that can fit

Because you're a dryo

[tardy talon]

juvi carno isn’t entering burrows far as i know

[rare fractal]

Why not

[barren crater]

it can if it's small enough

[rare fractal]

If it can fit it will...and it's perfectly designed for it ironically

[tardy talon]

and y’all don’t seem to grasp the concept of going out the other side

[rare fractal]

Why would i ever put myself in an RNG deathtrap when I could be above ground getting food and juking

[limber hull]

Dryo's predators will be unique to it, whereas most animals rarely see the dilo and troodon, it is often finding itself the primary target of them, and shares their hours, making a more lively night than just a few night carnivores pestering the day animals (akin to legacy dilo).

Dilo and troodon present far more interesting challenges than dryo's current matchups, omni and carno, who will simply end the fight in an RMB press, and dryo being the first ever nocturnal herbivore in Isle history adds an entirely unique niche never before seen that only dryo has

[tardy talon]

i’m not arguing against dryo being nocturnal lol

[barren crater]

tbf, Omni seems to not be any bad at night. Omni packs will be out there as well

[rare fractal]

Mhm, but apparently nocturnal dryo gameplay is just so easy

[tardy talon]

it should out in the night time and burrowing in the day

[limber hull]

It's certainly not terrible, it's got a respectable enough NV, but apparently dryo will simply always be prepared for them

[north quiver]

dryo hoards trying to battle off troodon packs will be fun

hordes*

[limber hull]

thats well and good, and i have no disagreement with that, but how is it any different from hiding in a bush or in the jungle at day, then emerging into the fields at nightfall?

[tardy talon]

instead of sitting in a bush during the day lol

[barren crater]

We'll have to see how Troodon deals with multiple opponents

[tardy talon]

because burrowing will be modular ideally :)

[limber hull]

again, how is that much different beyond the aesthetics of your hiding place?

[north quiver]

definitely. definitely going to add some lively and interesting sounds at night

[barren crater]

Dryo shouldn't be afk. Dryo can be an asset for any herd tbh. It could follow other herbis closely

[tardy talon]

and dryos will be commonly moving locations, making a sprawling “complete burrow” a rare sight

[rare fractal]

Whilst also handicapping your reaction to danger

[barren crater]

That's just one gameplay for Dryo

[limber hull]

that too

hiding in a burrow limits mobility and sight

two of dryo's strongest tools

a bush does neither of this

[rare fractal]

It's only real strengths

[tardy talon]

interestingly real world meerkats have scouts that stay outside the burrow

[limber hull]

i get that burrowing would be FUN, but practically, it's not like it's necessary at all for the animal, and could essentially be discarded as nothing more than a fun house building sim if you're feeling like you want to do it

[rare fractal]

There wouldn't even be a concept of burrower dryo if legacy didn't poison the well with that

[limber hull]

true

[barren crater]

I'd love it if they would buff Dryos speed to 45km/h and gave it more stamina, since the dodge is now limited to 2 attempts

[rare fractal]

Ideally the cooldown gets reduced...as was implied

[tardy talon]

you guys really seem to have legacy burrows on the mind, that’s not what i want at all lol

[rare fractal]

Because that CD is LOOOOOONG

[limber hull]

no, we know what you want

modular burrows akin to that one filipe stream from ages ago

[barren crater]

yeah...

[limber hull]

build your own style thing

i get it, but i personally don't see dryo's need for it. As I will reiterate, we have PLENTY of burrower reps coming who both benefit more from burrows and can make unique burrows to fit their unique survival style

[tardy talon]

also keep in mind that dryos will know their burrows a lot better than the predators do. it’ll be pretty easy for them to escape if the need arises

[limber hull]

dryo's burrows really only seem to harm its primary survival strategy

[tardy talon]

though seeing how hard it is to find nests now i don’t think finding a burrow entrance would be much easier

[limber hull]

but couldn't you have this idea with say, a taco, who is built soley around the concept of burrows?

[tardy talon]

ok but when is taco getting added?

[north quiver]

just stalk the dryo and watch where it keeps going back to

[limber hull]

creating deep and complex burrows designed to disorient and confuse predators

[tardy talon]

i thought the whole point was that dryos were alert and had great night vision?

[limber hull]

who knows, i'm not here to argue about the development timeframe

[limber hull]

if its in a burrow, its vision is limited

[north quiver]

then they don’t need burrows to escape predators if they’re alert with great nv

[tardy talon]

the message i replied too isn’t talking about being in the burrow

and once again dryos are group animals

they aren’t all in the burrow

[limber hull]

sure, i guess, but dryos would benefit more from simply fleeing, rather than scampering to get out of their burrows and THEN fleeing, becuase of their land capability in terms of mobility

most of the other burrower animals are either smaller or slower than dryo

[tardy talon]

burrows give it something to do moreso than a way to escape predators. right now i just don’t see dryo being very fun, especially competing with stuff like apexes for players

that’s the main issue i have

[limber hull]

sure, i get you, but my issue is i dont see burrows solving that, at all

because they don't feel like a natural extension of the playstyle we have

they feel like they exist to go against the pre-existing niche

it's... cool, i guess, but the novelty wears off when it puts you in more trouble than it helps you avoid by just using your legs to run

[north quiver]

I severely doubt an actual apex when they get added in can chase down a dryo

[tardy talon]

irl rabbits are mobile, fast, and mostly defenseless burrowers

[north quiver]

if they can… forbid

[tardy talon]

i see dryo filling a similar niche with added nocturnalism

[limber hull]

i understand the rabbit comparison

[tardy talon]

not what i was saying

[north quiver]

oh mb. things like carno?

hitboxes are getting fixed so juking a carno will be easier than ever if it somehow finds you

[tardy talon]

no, i meant competing with apexes to get people to play it

[limber hull]

i certainly see the appeal of burrows, and i would like to state i am not "anti-burrow", but i am also not "burrows are required to make this animal worth playing"

[tardy talon]

i get it

but i just don’t see dryo being fun enough to get a significant playerbase without having something to do, and burrowing fills that pretty well

[limber hull]

i do believe U6.5 dryo will be by far the most engaging the animal has been, like, ever, and is an excellent step to actually defining an animal plagued by literally zero unique niche or element to its name since its launch in EVRIMA

[tardy talon]

it’s definitely a start but it doesn’t change the gameplay enough for me

[limber hull]

i feel like it having a matchup with troodon and a unique survival strategy beyond "run" are two insanely strong steps to boosting its population

even if it's from 0 per server to 5 per server, that's good

[north quiver]

people will play it for the night vision. it’ll basically be a new meta go-to because of troodon and eventually dilo. in organized packs and herds, there will more than likely be a dryo because they’re easy to sustain and can give herds and packs callouts at night

[tardy talon]

i mean it seems like more or less the same “run and hide”, just now you’re hiding in darkness as well as bushes

[north quiver]

there will always be a dryo on the server just like there’s always a ptera

[tardy talon]

the matchup with troodon could be fun but idk troos stats

[tardy talon]

dryo already works as a scout now, but honestly scouting is too limited without third party communication. not so much you can do with four calls

like i said improved night vision is a start but it’s not enough to make it have a real niche

[limber hull]

if you're playing dryo, you get to take a core part in the night ecosystem (which is now a thing, making me insanely happy), have more engagement to your survival strategy beyond W+Shift until you get away, and an actual animal you can face off against without dying instantly

[north quiver]

it really doesn’t. not nearly as effective as a pter. now, dryo can be a very useful scout and excel where pter and other playables cannot

[limber hull]

i am going to reiterate how happy it makes me that not only does a night ecosystem exist but dryo is a part of it

[north quiver]

I love night dryo

[tardy talon]

have we seen what bird nv is gonna look like yet? it could be possible for them to still work better as scouts just because of the massive advantages of flight

[limber hull]

U6.5 is really making The Isle more of an ecosystem and less of a thrashdown bloodbowl

[tardy talon]

night dryo is great but it needs something to do besides get food run and hide

[limber hull]

I'm all here for it

[north quiver]

ngl the potential bloodbowl I’m excited for is that troodon vs the inevitable dryo armies that will be nested in

troodon players won’t be able to resist trying a large army of squeaking dryos

[tardy talon]

i honestly don’t see dryo getting enough players off of a stat buff to compete with the “omg new dino!!!!” wave

[limber hull]

but its no longer dryo being constantly forced to exist under the same conditions as omni and carno, who just melt it, it actually has an animal where the matchup isn't over in one second

[tardy talon]

omni and carno still melt it in the day though

[limber hull]

of course

[tardy talon]

i gotta sleep though gn y’all

[limber hull]

idk

im just happy to see this long underplayed animal get something that actually seperates it

it was always just... herbivore for the longest time

and with galli introduced, it very much risked straight up being killed off

but it finally has something unique from other herbivores that makes it unique, in survival strategy, in matchups and in playstyle, and that rocks

[north quiver]

agreed. the obnoxiously loud galli will also be fun to play and scream as and get rewarded for being annoying as hell

especially if they make it to where calls travel farther again

[limber hull]

but its fun on its own merit, as is dryo, which is what makes me happy. EVRIMA actually has each animal have a purpose now, the ecosystem can actually seperate (assuming balance doesn't end up making another single dominant species)

i always have said the game feels at its best when you find a variety of new creatures at every turn

being constantly subjected to mirror matches of this update's biggest bully isn't great

it happened in U3, U3.5, U3.75, U5, U5.5 and now U6

I didn't mention U4 because every playable was overshadowed by oasis existing

[north quiver]

yep

[limber hull]

This also is why I'm not super chuffed about cera

If it turns out great, then great, but some descriptions of it have me a little worried

Basically hyping it up to be stronger and stronger

To the point I fear it will be the new bully

[north quiver]

I’m not too entirely sure about cera and I’m hoping it won’t be some beast that’s untouchable except by other ceras

[tardy talon]

i mean cera will be a bully for sure but it’s the same as stego

[north quiver]

apparently they’re slow so that’s what got me thinking about that. they definitely have to be able to defend themselves

[tardy talon]

it’s too slow to actively hunt most members of the roster, it’s mostly gonna be taking over corpses

[limber hull]

i do like the slow element

i'm a huge fan of a carnivore that doesn't feel pressured to hunt

and has a completely unique survival and feeding strategy

[tardy talon]

yeah we have enough agile hunters in the game rn

[limber hull]

again, a unique idea that subverts expectations of a specific role

[tardy talon]

i’m glad it’s not just “the scavenger” too, cus that gets boring real quick

[north quiver]

cera can still be grabbed by deino?

[tardy talon]

yeah it’s not gonna be more than 1.5 tons probably

[limber hull]

obviously

[north quiver]

good. it’d pain me to see the amount of playables that can’t be grabbed by a deino just slowly stack up

[limber hull]

in the vid we saw today, it doesn't stand much taller than an omni

that being said, it's still larger by a visible margin

it certainly doesn't look to outsize a carno tho

[tardy talon]

yeah it’ll most likely be lighter than carno

[north quiver]

how would it fare against venom since it’s resistant to bleed?

[tardy talon]

honestly if troo venom spreads through the blood it’d make sense to give it a venom resist as well but idk if that’ll happen for balance reasons

i do have a lot of worries for troo though. if applying the venom at the wrong time lowers the dose it’s way too easy for one troll to mess up the whole pack

[north quiver]

I’d imagine people will get frustrated and eat the troll alive

[tardy talon]

remedied by a simple “whoops guys my bad”

[north quiver]

in-game gameplay and the game chat lmao

[tardy talon]

also i don’t think they’re gonna be cannibals

[north quiver]

I would be a troo canni if someone messed up more than once or twice because apparently they’re going to make the venom stages more obvious

[tardy talon]

yeah fair enough

[north quiver]

I’m very interested to see how venom will work though and if it’ll affect how you see things like how head fractures nearly completely blind you and how being too wounded reddens your screen up with blood

Inverted controls at a certain stage could be pretty challenging

[uneven mist]

Well there is this soo

[north quiver]

maybe a wavy and trippy screen at final stages too kind of like what your screen becomes when you get your character drunk in Red Dead. though I can imagine that might potentially hurt some eyes

[limber hull]

thats an interesting idea, was that for troodon?

or dilo

[uneven mist]

Think so, could be for dilo but who knows

Think it would fit dilo way more tho

[limber hull]

if its hypno, it might well be troodon

because troodon is currently a priority for hypno

[north quiver]

wonder if that’ll be the main possible side effect or one of a few

[uneven mist]

@topaz pendant April fools joke?

[nimble thistle]

I know i'm way to late on this, but there was never a full trike skeleton in the "Hope" video, just ribs, a bit of spine and a skull, though it did look a lot better than what we have rn

Skulls are kind of confirmed to come at a later date

Also reference used on the stream is a scientific reconstruction taken from internet, not a developer sketch

And one more thing

Bones in the hope trailer honestly look better than a full skeleton

Plus bones dont usually stay on their places if we talk about rotten corpses partially eaten by predators

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah a bit too late but thanks for correcting me, also I wasn’t accusing the devs of having drawn the galli skeleton, more so that there is a sketch, that it exists 😅 And yeah, the skeleton looks very good in the hope trailer. Im pretty sure everything did 🥲

[violet parrot]

Pls Release the isle on ps4 and ps5😭

[topaz pendant]

Like they said that galli is being added in 6.5 and it’s April fools today lol

[uneven mist]

Ah, well it’s most likely not because you know how people would respond if they would do that lol

[urban flax]

Devblog was yesterday tho

Depending on your timezone

[agile roost]

I'm wondering when a deino is holding another dino, what happens to the dino who the deino is holding if the deino dies?

for example, it died from fall damage

[gentle flint]

If it died from fall damage I know you most likely will as well, seen that happen quite a few times. It’s because you go splat on the ground with them, it doesn’t matter that you were being held when it happened it still counts as you falling as well.

[agile roost]

Thanks for the reply!

[mystic hare]

is there a plan or a number for how big the servers gonna get down the line?

[proud coral]

@jade brook I very much like the idea of water sense being based on how much a target is moving n such. Not sure why so many dislike it.... especially since it's been brought up before and met with lots of praise

[tepid gate]

there's literally nothing on Evrima's planned roster that would be too large for Deino's lunge except the apexes that are supposed to get released for the unofficial servers

[uneven mist]

@small anchor deino is a bigger issue for this ecosystem

Stego is one of the least concerning Dino’s we have

[proud coral]

At least with Stego, you can just go the opposite way from it. But Deino....

• Chances of having to interact with it are m u c h higher since water is a requirement (and yes I am aware of "lol just go to shallow spot lmao" but that's a poor excuse and missing the entire point)
• Can just kinda....delete you
• Is totally invisible while it can perfectly see you
• PAINFULLY easy to grow and maintain
• Nothing can reliably fight them outside of Stegos (which it doesn't even have to fight contrary to popular belief) and other Deinos, the latter just....allowing more Deinos to be grown.

Both are awful, Deino is the worst.

[uneven mist]

Hold on…

It’s printing…

[proud coral]

[uneven mist]

📠

[uneven mist]

Also that they can choose their engagement (unless it’s another deino) but stego can’t

[small anchor]

Im talking about stego, did I talk about deino?

Dont downvote bc your opinion doesn't fit with the feedback

Topic wasn't wich of them is worst

Topic is about how stego is bad for this ecosystem

[uneven mist]

No but stego is not really a big of an issue too, you can counter it by walking away

[small anchor]

Apply for it, or dont join

[urban flax]

You're not allowed to have an opinion in islecord

[small anchor]

L..?

[uneven mist]

Apparently not, only one option exists

[uneven mist]

Didn’t mean to ping that one so yes

[small anchor]

aah

[small anchor]

Give your opinion when you are going to give your opinion on the topic discussed, not on something secondary

[uneven mist]

But anyways, even tho it didn’t match the feedback, stego is one of the least concerns currently. Sure it’s big, does alot of dmg and so on but you can see it and walk away. I do agree that stego was a mistake to add this early but there isn’t alot we can do about it

[small anchor]

Why would you mention DEINO when we talking about STEGO(?

And its not everything about stego, its how it doesn't go well with this ecosyst

[proud coral]

I think the opinion fits since it does relate to Deino. We can't just pick apart stuff like that 😮

[small anchor]

It doesnt, dont try to find a way to fit it

[urban flax]

The reason stego is so powerful is because deino exists
That's called balance

Somehow having several different characters interacting in a game makes them interlocked

[small anchor]

gimme a moment im playing something ill read u

[uneven mist]

Sure, take your time

[proud coral]

They're trying to make an ecosystem, so you do have to take that stuff into account.

Part of balancing something is looking at how it interacts with the rest of the game 😮

But I will agree that both are a problem.

But Stego is not NEARLY as bad as people make it out to be since you can just uh

🚶‍♂️

[barren crater]

Until the subs chase you

[proud coral]

That's more of a growth issue than a Stego issue really 😛 Stego ain't the only one like that 65kph Carno

[barren crater]

True

I love sub stego speed. I hope they don’t nerf it

They just need to nerf the stamina

[urban flax]

If subs are always faster than adults, I wonder how fast is sub ptera when flying

I once calculated that adult ptera was about 70/75 km/h at top speed

[barren crater]

I don’t think pteras get faster

[urban flax]

sad

[barren crater]

Dryo doesn’t either

[north quiver]

Did I read that right? Don’t downvote because.. your opinion doesn’t fit the feedback? Isn’t that the entire reason of allowing upvotes and downvotes in #general-feedback ?

omni should be able to easily tank and solo the entire roster; therefore, no one is allowed to downvote my suggestion because any other opinion doesn’t fit with the suggestion

[lament thunder]

Dear players,

I would like to raise an important issue with you. As many of us already know, it is common to encounter players using cheats in online games, and unfortunately, our game currently does not offer an easy way to report these suspicious players.

For this reason, I am proposing the implementation of a reporting system within the game, which would allow us to report suspicious players quickly and easily. This would include information such as the name of the suspected player, the server they are playing on, and any other information that may help identify fraudulent behavior.

I believe that this implementation would make it much easier for the community to identify and report players who are harming the gaming experience for others. Additionally, I suggest that a dedicated team be created to review these reports, ensuring that the proper measures are taken whenever necessary.

I ask for your help in supporting this initiative by voting in favor of implementing this system. I believe that this will make a big difference for many players and help maintain the integrity of the game.

Thank you for your attention and support in making this important improvement in our game.

Sincerely, Evrima Survivors

[remote dock]

problem with this is obvious. we cant see ingame names and i dont think the isle has the team to deal with this lowkey. Like fr they already slow as helll on updates. cheaters suck ass but no ingame names n stuff plus the lack of team size to comb reports doesnt really make this viable imo

[lament thunder]

For example, we could have a reporting option in the game menu that includes important information such as the time and server where the suspicion of cheating occurred. Additionally, it's possible for the game's team to work together with the community players to review the reports and take action when necessary.

While I understand that the game team may be busy with updates and other aspects of the game, I believe that implementing a reporting system would be beneficial for the gaming experience for everyone. I hope we can work together as a community to find solutions for these concerns and ensure the integrity of the game.

[north quiver]

@woeful ingot dryo is getting a major nv buff (night will practically be day for it), and the stam cost for dodging is getting changed to dodge charges so it won’t touch dryo’s precious stam. with the nv buff, it can avoid all of its predators by being predominantly active at night and staying out of the predator’s nv range. carno will get crappy nv range and omni’s seems like it’s staying somewhat the same. with that in mind, dryo will be able to easily avoid omnis and carnos

speed isn’t really needed now because of that, and that’s because omnis will now need a reasonable chance to catch them after somehow finding one (which won’t happen if the dryo is vigilant)

[woeful ingot]

Well alright then, that’s a concession I can make. Ty for the information.

[proud coral]

That new Isle trailer is intended to look goofy; it's a joke 👏

[nimble cliff]

That night vision idea is much better then mine, good job.

[rare fractal]

Oh thank you very much

[north quiver]

does anyone have any theories or ideas about apexes when they're added in? i was looking through pinned messages in #general-feedback and found this. it's old but interesting. definitely would require actual impressive skill to manage to get a full grown apex

[rare fractal]

I don't like that idea honestly...I think apexes should simply be balanced just as everything else is, so that players choosing to play as apexes doesn't intrinsically collapse the server landscape as it did in legacy

Legacy lacked a lot of the ecosystem elements evrima has to ensure survivability for anything that isn't massive

[north quiver]

cool cool

[rare fractal]

I'd wanna see how they play first before going as far as to token lock them

[north quiver]

but didnt they say apexes were going to be stronger than legacy apexes?

[rare fractal]

yep

That doesn't actually mean more oppressive ironically

Because honestly...legacy apexes were pathetically weak in the broader perspective of the roster

A single dilo or utah could kill a giga or rex with relative ease (unless the giga could alt)

[nimble cliff]

If the developers want the apexes to be even stronger, then they should have extreme conditional weaknesses, like maybe giga just sinks in the water, or spino needs to drink or stay in the water constantly, or rex needs to have a perfect diet or it sucks.

[north quiver]

I really like the idea of not having apexes immediately unlocked once you join a server though. it prevents seeing 50+ little rexes juvies running around attempting to grow

maybe unlocking an apex could be tied in with humans doing some kind of research missions

[rare fractal]

I wouldn't even go that far...speed and endurance are the primary factors in limiting them, tho those kinds of weaknesses do exist, like spino simply cannot swim for example

[rare fractal]

I guess I just don't see that as a problem

I don't wanna go back to prog were you had to grow a ton of animals you dislike playing so that you can play the animal you DO enjoy

Plus that's just an excuse to make the apexes imbalanced when they shouldn't be anyway

[north quiver]

i can see that

instead of the token progression human missions would do nicely, but i'd personally keep the one-life unluck. once the player dies as that apex, they need to do the missions again to reunlock it. definitely wouldn't take nearly as long as growing every single playable to adult

[rare fractal]

i just don't see the point of a gatekeep system for just spawning in as a juvi

[limber hull]

@tame raptor we're getting TONS of theropods and sauropods, especially theropods. An upcoming sauropod we're confirmed to be getting is magy, for instance

[tame raptor]

im glad to hear! once again im not worried at all at how long this takes and it was a small thought and trend ive seen in the game branches. best of luck!

[icy lion]

As for majunga, we're getting rugops as another small abelisaur

[desert quarry]

@steady rampart I fully agree on the lily pads thing. How cute would it be to have beipi and even baby crocs chilling on the lily pads!!!

[tame raptor]

thats a good idea, rugops seems like a better alternative

[desert quarry]

@mellow badger You DO understand it was an April Fool's joke, don't you? That's why so many are putting a red X reaction to your post.

[tame raptor]

are there any plans for nigersaurus or amargasaurus i'd like to know about?

[rare fractal]

No

[tame raptor]

oh well, worth a shot. cant wait for the full evirma!

[rare fractal]

Magy and cama basically cover their niches already

[tame raptor]

i just thought that the idea of a sauropod with its neck posture upwards wouldnt suit the current food available in the game

[steady rampart]

I know right! When I first saw them I couldn’t help think of that myself. They are adorable in every way.

[zinc meadow]

I seem to recall a conversation regarding Stego vs Rex, and that reminded me that the devblog mentioned (or at least from what I understood) separating raw damage from bleed damage.
Sounds like a good change for the future!

[limber hull]

there's still an issue

if stego ends up being the bleeder in that situation, that's a problem

bleed is very, very bad defensively

[rare fractal]

Against an animal that relies on burst damage, bleed is SUCH a nonfactor

Which is exactly what rex is

[limber hull]

exactly

[latent olive]

@tame raptor -Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
-Albertosaurus sarcophagus
-Allosaurus fragilis
-Ankylosaurus magniventris
-Austroraptor cabazai
-Avaceratops lammersi
-Baryonyx walkeri
-Beipiaosaurus inexpectus
-Brachiosaurus altithorax
-Brontosaurus ajax
-Camarasaurus supremus
-Carnotaurus sastrei
-Ceratosaurus nasicornis
-Charcharodontosaurus saharicus
-Compsognathus longipes
-Corythosaurus Casuaris
-Deinocheirus mirificus
-Deinosuchus hatcheri
-Diabloceratops eatoni
-Dilophosaurus wetherilli
-Dryosaurus altus
-Gallimimus bullatus
-Giganotosaurus carolinii
-Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
-Homalocephale calathoceros
-Hypsilophodon foxii
-Kentrosaurus aethiopicus
-Magyarosaurus dacus
-Maiasaura peeblesorum
-Megalania (Varanus priscus)
-Minmi paravertebra
-Monolophosaurus jiangi
-Orodromeus makelai
-Oviraptor philoceratops
-Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
-Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis
-Parasaurolophus tubicen
-Plateosaurus engelhardti
-Protoceratops andrewsi
-Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
-Pteranodon longiceps
-Quetzalcoatlus northropi
-Rauisuchus tiradentes
-Rugops primus
-Shantungosaurus giganteus
-Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
-Stegosaurus stenops
-Styracosaurus albertensis
-Suchomimus tenerensis
-Tenontosaurus tilleti
-Therizinosaurus cheloniformis
-Titanoboa cerrejonens
-Triceratops horridus
-Troodon inaequalis
-Tyrannosaurus rex
-Utahraptor ostrommaysorum
-Velociraptor mongoliensis

[north quiver]

rex should have worse nv than carno. make it absolutely dogwater

[latent olive]

we have enough theropods

[tame raptor]

yeah its time to love our herbivores :D

or try out lizards like megalania

YOOO i just saw plateosaurus! is that really gonna be added??

[latent olive]

we also have 7 ceratopsians

[limber hull]

doubt that will happen, given rex's irl insanely good vision

[latent olive]

the only animals in that list that MAY or MAY NOT make it into the game are Rauisuchus with the claymore mines niche or Titanoboa with the useless entity niche

other than that, there aint much else being added to the list

[tame raptor]

im happy with what i have. although id love to see a rebacchisaurid the prosauropods gotta get more love

[north quiver]

I wish for it to be as stinky as swamp water

[latent olive]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-national-geographic-secrets-of-the-zoo-down-under-feeding-a-komodo-dragon-rubbing-gif-25268157

[limber hull]

i'd probably say giga would make more sense having difficulty at night

[icy lion]

I think you forgot diplodocus though I can't remember if it's CONFIRMED confirmed

[tame raptor]

imagine if they added mapusaurus out here with the bleed effect on sauropods?

[latent olive]

what if we made rex have really bad upclose vision like if you were to get in its face it just couldnt see you cos binocular eyes ...

[icy lion]

That's giga

[latent olive]

and acro

and carcharodontosaurus

[icy lion]

Acro chokeslams

Might be an alt skin idk

[tame raptor]

what if rex couldnt see

[icy lion]

If not, giga 2 electric boogaloo

[tame raptor]

all the players could only have a map of the location by making the loudest possible roar

sonar intensified

[latent olive]

since its smell is incredibly strong i dont think itd matter all that much either

[tame raptor]

ay facts though

[limber hull]

thats true

although it also seems giga is good in that department too?

if you bleed, it can smell the blood and comes running

[north quiver]

Are blind cannibals still coming or is that old scrapped ideas?

[limber hull]

Probably not scrapped tbh

[icy lion]

It's possible that giga's good at scenting blood specifically, and rex has good scent in general

[north quiver]

having them “see” in some other way than regular vision right now would be interesting

[limber hull]

That's probably how it will go

They make distinct clicking noises and notably have no eyes

More than likely, they navigate via sound and echolocation

[north quiver]

wonder if that’d lead to a return of something similar to the outline nv 👀

[urban bear]

@tame raptor A lot of the dinosaurs you mentioned have very similar counterparts coming to the game

magy, monolopho, rugops etc

[tame raptor]

i know that magy is coming of course, i dont really see how its close to rebacchisauridae, because their nech structures are evolved more to eating from lower food sources

[urban bear]

Not similar in body, but I mean gameplay wise I can't really see how they are going to separate them gameplay wise enough to make them both different

eating differently wont really make to much of a difference

[proud coral]

Gotta remember there's also gonna be stuff like different perks and preferred biomes (migration) to help further separate things as well.

[woeful ingot]

@north quiver Question: Are Dryos just gonna have to hide during the day then since they'll be so vulnerable? Just hide in woods or bushes in the plains?

[proud coral]

One creature that's similar to another may live in totally different regions and thus, have totally different encounters/experiences.

[urban bear]

combat and movement I can't really see being different

they are both sauropods that would eat and go to different places

thats not enough imo

[proud coral]

Lil bit of overlap here and there never hurt anyone honestly.

Also what sauropods are we comparing again

[urban bear]

thats not a small overlap its the same animal at that point

rebacchisauridae

and magy

[proud coral]

Oh

I thought we were talkin' about confirmed dinos only

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-disappears-bush-hiding-gif-3377649

[urban bear]

no

he proposed the idea of other small sauropods coming to the game

[lament thunder]

[limber hull]

dryos will more than likely be more cautious during the day

[proud coral]

Neat dynamic honestly.

I'm used to just predators being the night stalkers

Now we have Nocdryo

.....what if they become like Dilosand I guess Troodons

Night rolls in and you just hear them hootin non stop

[woeful ingot]

So staying outta the open, yes?

[limber hull]

I'd assume?

Basically current dryo, but not terrible at all hours

[woeful ingot]

So play current dryo like nocturnal dryo, got it

Know if we'll get burrowing?

[limber hull]

its possible, but not happening in 6.5

[limber hull]

play current dryo like nocturnal dryo, except your dodge melts your stam and you can't see any better at night

U6.5 is where dryo actually gets good things

[woeful ingot]

Any idea when that could be released?

[rare fractal]

no

[limber hull]

Soon-ish, otherwise, no ETAs

[rare fractal]

burrowing is very low priority

[woeful ingot]

Aight, fingers crossed then.

[sudden delta]

dryo pounse plz

[barren zephyr]

No

Doesn't make sense it's not a pack hunter

[sudden delta]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-14574338

[north quiver]

probably sometime april-june

[barren zephyr]

U asked for it twice so seemed serious 😂

[sudden delta]

[icy lion]

@opal mirage Already happening next update according to Don

[opal mirage]

Oh! That’s amazing i didnt know that

[prisma stump]

Is it just me or does the ceratosaurus rly need some changes in its model to make it stand out? Unfortunately it seems a bit boring to me as it is.

[urban flax]

Not monstrous enough for you ?

[uneven mist]

It doesn’t have an carno-allo killer look to it

[prisma stump]

yes exactly

[uneven mist]

🗿

[limber hull]

i dont know what more you could possibly want from it

[cyan mountain]

@barren zephyr Gateway map

[cyan mountain]

i think ur by urself on this ngl

[barren zephyr]

when you read the comment again , gateaway also bored

same structures

same flowers

[cyan mountain]

u think gateway is boring?

[cyan mountain]

Different structures, larger human facilities, huge aviary, interactable facilities

[cyan mountain]

well the Herbivores are gonna keep eating the same stuff arent they

[barren zephyr]

if you comment sop already, you like when everything looks the same. And see no difference at all

[cyan mountain]

not to mention the monorail station that's being introduced

[barren zephyr]

I'll tell you after a while this map is also very boring

[cyan mountain]

there is a lot of variety on the map actually, different biomes (arid, jungle, plains, etc.), there are different water sources such as lakes, streams (i think), and rivers. Areas are more fleshed out and look better, less foliage in forests, etc etc

[cyan mountain]

I've seen countless videos on gateway and I personally love the map and can't wait for it

[barren zephyr]

that is your opinion. It's nice that there are finally lakes, but I don't think you understand what I mean. It's the same boring structures, flowers, trees, palms and so on

[cyan mountain]

I think I may know what u might mean but at the same time it's a tropical island. U may be to quick to judge, when content creators showed us the map they said that some parts were restricted, we haven seen the full thing yet. But I do agree that there should be waterfalls and especially caves (I had an amazing idea for caves) and what not

[barren zephyr]

and even a shitty tropical island can bionomically be full of strange plants and areas and not look like copy paste because dinosaurs no longer exist anyway 🙂

[cyan mountain]

True, flowers I understand ur point. However there are some new trees and unique layouts u see in gateway that aren't in Spiro. I do not agree with the human facilities tho, in no way are they similar to the ones in Spiro. Spiro's were small and seemingly not important but Gateway has huge human structures in which clearly have some purpose gameplay wise and design wise. A lot more details and attention were definitely put into the facilities on Gateway

[nimble cliff]

As for a bleeding sauropod I think Bajadasaurus would be better, as it is slightly larger then amarga while being much less well known and deserving of some love
(Also because tapwing made cool art of it.)

[limber hull]

there's new structures, biomes, trees, plants and so on, what are you talking about?

[limber hull]

IDK what this is even supposed to imply, do you hate it just because it's tropical, or because they haven't modelled 100 unique trees

[nimble cliff]

And yeah more unique biomes would be cool, like maybe flooded plains, or large caverns

[gray mountain]

Do anyone knew if redwood forest is a thing in gateaway?

[limber hull]

i played on gateway, no redwoods

[uneven mist]

“Useless devblog” lmao

[limber hull]

i HATE information about progress

[urban flax]

omg same

I wish they would stop posting devblogs

[uneven mist]

Yeah, it gave us no information about the update at all!!! They just want our sympathy

[limber hull]

i want to be left in the DARK constantly

DO NOT TELL ME ABOUT THE UPDATE, ONLY MAKE IT HAPPEN

[crystal trail]

Actually the vast majority of foliage and structures on gateway are entirely new. It also features separate biomes.

[crystal trail]

All ya gotta do is just glance at their post history. It's one of those ghost accounts who get physically upset if anything positive happens surrounding the game they despise.

[limber hull]

love those guys

[ruby sierra]

is any of those new foliage underwater foliage?

[sullen delta]

Honestly, it could be either, I know I'm tired of waiting because you guys made the update look so fun

[urban flax]

What are you doing here Punch ? Devs are supposed to never read the feedback channels 😠

[sullen delta]

Yea 😠

[crystal trail]

Yeah but there's a clear difference between being frustrated and a troll. Although even that word isn't fit for it.

[sullen delta]

I'm not frustrated, I'm jus kinda bored, grass is always greener y'know?

[crystal trail]

Like frustration is completely understandable and I'd likely feel the same way in your shoes. But naturally because I can see information you guys can't, it gives a wider perspective on why things happen as they do

[sullen delta]

Mhm, which is completely understandable

And I understand gamemaking is really hard, and the reason it takes so long is because you guys give your employees off on weekends, but it's one of my favorite games and I must consume more

[urban flax]

Hey, sorry for changing topic, but while you're here, have you guys thought of changing the feedback channels into forums, like some servers already do ?

[crystal trail]

However, that also doesn't change anything. So always know that we're always happy to hear your thoughts and feedback, even if you're just asking for a look behind the curtain or a speedboost.

[crystal trail]

Honestly I'd like to, I have a version like that but it's hidden because I need to make sure something we use would still work. You may notice that certain feedback has an extra emoji assigned by us, that whisks it away to a hidden highlight channel seen only by the dev team

[sullen delta]

Wait, hwhat

I had not noticed that

[urban flax]

I wasn't aware of that

[crystal trail]

[sullen delta]

Hehehe

[urban flax]

You're hiding things from us

[sullen delta]

So you guys have a "focus on this problem" channel?

[urban flax]

Now I'm going to scroll up though the entire feedback channel and look for that secret emoji you mentioned

[crystal trail]

It's a clean way to keep track of certain suggestions

[sullen delta]

Btw, punch, I saw something in the devblog about how you can't showcase venom because your still ironing it out

[crystal trail]

Some things also get unmarked afterwards so the channel stays light

[urban flax]

Haha I found one !
I think..?
#general-feedback message

[uneven mist]

https://tenor.com/view/laughs-in-british-britain-british-empire-british-soldier-gif-17228488

[crystal trail]

Moreso the venom indication, aka it giving the player a better visual identifier as to the progress of the venom itself

[sullen delta]

Ah, ok

So you guys just aren't sure about the visuals of it?

I thought maybe you were tweaking the numbers of it to make it feel juust right

[crystal trail]

It kinda is tweaking, it's just one of the QA polishing changes.

[sullen delta]

Ah ok

[crystal trail]

Besides that you can count the remaining blocker bugs on your hands. When those get fixed it's straight to ST

[urban flax]

Can't wait

[sullen delta]

Oh really?

Bet

Are we allowed to know if you guys are doing a bug and balance patch and what you'll focus on with that?

[crystal trail]

I'd need to get that from Hypno, he normally has a document somewhere I can glance at. Balance changes usually woosh over my head till release as they're usually jam-packed with so many intricacies to recall off the top of ones head

[sullen delta]

Oh yea, you guys are usually very good about fixing a lot of stuff when you do something like that

Alr, I'll try to remember to ask him

[crystal trail]

Patchnotes usually take multiple hours to setup and trim down

[sullen delta]

Mhm

[sullen delta]

So est for the update is really soon?

[crystal trail]

Can't give ETAs

[urban flax]

Rule 10'ed

[sullen delta]

Well yea, but

Hehehe

Alr, go on, tell me where I can find the answer to that question

Gimme the meme

[urban flax]

I don't have the picture saved

[sullen delta]

Br

[crystal trail]

brb a sec, swapping to pc

[sullen delta]

Alr

[sullen delta]

Fine I'll do it myself

[urban flax]

great

[sullen delta]

Say punch, what do you as a dev focus on?

[crystal trail]

Community, a little design and backend stuff.

[sullen delta]

Ah, ok

[ruby sierra]

Punch, can you confirm if those videos shared by Hypno on the latest dev blog if the gameplay is from UE5? The galli mobilize call specifically as the grass render distance doesn't look very nanite like

[crystal trail]

It's in UE5, however not everything has been setup for nanite yet. Remember Gateway is not slated till Update 7.

Lemme grab a picture Don posted the other day, 1 sec

[sullen delta]

Ooooh, so you guys are testing on gateway, but the reason it doesn't look like it's in UE5 is because gateway isnt?

[crystal trail]

Well Gateway is our focus, Spiro will see some minor differences (like you'll see in this picture) but given that we're gonna be swapping all our official servers to Gateway in Update 7, it doesn't make sense for us to spend a ton of time on Spiro right now.

So this is Spiro in the version you guys have.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1091388841266532373/image.png

This is it in UE5 with the trees in Nanite.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1091389828911878315/hrss00.png

[urban flax]

Oh you got trees in the distance !

[sullen delta]

Niiice

[urban flax]

Grass is still weird tho

[crystal trail]

Grass hasn't been touched

[sullen delta]

And it's not gonna take optimization and stab it 30 times either, is it?

[crystal trail]

Naturally depends on your system specifications, but the goal is for it to be more performant.

But most of what we're aiming to be performant is focused on Gateway.

[sullen delta]

Yea yea

[crystal trail]

I think if I recall correctly, human structures on Spiro are also setup to work with nanite. So you can see them a long way away.

[sullen delta]

Oh nice

[urban flax]

That's cool
It always annoys me how in most games, some elements just disappear with distance

[jovial otter]

I'm so excited for the new playables and their styles. Y'all are doing great punch!

[ruby sierra]

what about lumen, will it be an option for higher end PCs?

[urban flax]

I guess it's due to system limitations, but... It ruins the landscape so much

[sullen delta]

I agree

[crystal trail]

Graphics menu is expanded quite significantly, if I recall correctly it will be an option, naturally it's off by default.

[sullen delta]

Oh, sweet

Yea, I thought it was really nice of you guys to include so many graphics options

Thx

[crystal trail]

Generally it's why a lot of games (pre ue5) had a lot of hills, because hills would obscure a landscape of unrendered grass.

[urban flax]

Heh
3D rendering is a world of tricks and workarounds

[ruby sierra]

well now I'm even more hyped about the next two updates

[sullen delta]

Indeed

[urban flax]

When working on an animation on Blender I learned of a way to have textures become larger as they get further to the camera, so it looks goods from any distance, I wonder if that would be possible to achieve in a game engine ?

[crystal trail]

That'd be out of my area of expertise

[urban flax]

Hmm, I see

I assume that if no game does that, it's probably not as easy as it looks

[sullen delta]

Can anyone explain why people like sucho?

It just looks like a boring spinosaurus to me

[urban flax]

It having no sail doesn't mean it's boring

[limber hull]

If they design sucho to be a different niche, it's fine

If they make sucho small spino, there's a problem

[urban flax]

It's a huge theropod with massive claws and the potential to be an apex predator, yet who chose to live a fisherman's life, away from the stress of civilisation
But it can still german suplex anyone who tries to steal his fish

[sullen delta]

I mean, what else would they do with it

[limber hull]

wader that shares more with deinocherius than deinosuchus

[urban flax]

I wish sucho and cheirus could be buddies

[sullen delta]

Honestly they prolly will be

[limber hull]

ideally, sucho and cherius would live in very similar environments

[sullen delta]

That's literally just a spino that doesn't do anything cool

[uneven mist]

Because it seems like a chill and peaceful playable if they do it right

[urban flax]

How is german suplexing dinos not cool

[sullen delta]

Spino does that exact thing

[uneven mist]

Not ours

[urban flax]

But spino is a crackhead
It just attacks everything

[sullen delta]

Yea, so it's just a more aggressive and cooler sucho

There is little to no difference

[urban flax]

More aggressive is the opposite of cooler

[uneven mist]

Spino: hippo that attacks everything in sight and mostly is on land and water

Sucho: more land based and a wadder that mostly hunts fish and scavenge off corpses
That’s how I see the two

[sullen delta]

So when playing sucho your just a spino that's too weak to be in the water where it's Chad brother spino lives

[urban flax]

Yeah and when playing allo you're just playing a rex that's too weak to take on other apexes

[sullen delta]

Yea, that's why I don't understand why people like allo

[uneven mist]

Maybe but sucho sounds alot more fun to me than spino

[limber hull]

if sucho is done right, for sure

[urban flax]

It's not always about the strength

Otherwise rex and shant would be the only playables

[sullen delta]

Well yea

But like

For sucho specifically there's almost nothing that makes it special or interesting

[urban flax]

Dude it isn't in the game yet

[sullen delta]

With allo your like a big raptor with serrated teeth

Suchos just a nerd spino

[uneven mist]

Soo dibble is just weaker trike, pachy is weaker rhino, Alberto is weaker rex, bary is weaker sucho, troodon is weaker dilo, Maia is weaker para, para is weaker shant and so on

[sullen delta]

Yes

[uneven mist]

[urban flax]

Well since it looks like you only like strong and poerful things, it's a good thing such things are in the game
But that doesn't invalidate the existence of smaller playables, that are enjoyable for other reasons

[sullen delta]

Pachy is more manueverable and better at breaking specific places, Alberto is more pack oriented, bary really is just way worse spino, troodon has stamina venom, para has special abilities with its call, Maia is still a tank

They all have things that are special over they're counterparts

Sucho has nothing