general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

15% is quite literally shaving off 9 whole seconds of runtime in an instant

[sage yew]

+increase stamina at startup
-stamina drain over time

how about that?

[limber hull]

They already reduced stamina drain over time

How much lower would you possibly want it to be

[sage yew]

I mean to compensate for the startup

to be honest, I wouldn't go any lower then 10%
this is fairly reasonable

[limber hull]

i dont see why you'd go so high

[sage yew]

okay, maybe 8, duno

because he has tons of mass to propel forward

[abstract belfry]

Also often times you have to cancel it early when the prey does a sharp turn or to avoid getting damaged by a prepared tail slam or stego slap if they saw you

[sage yew]

is see carnos sprint like a jumbo jet
take off requires a huge amount of fuel
but flying is in comparison fuel efficient

[abstract belfry]

This would be acceptable if most of the time Carnos could finish the prey off in a single charge and following bite attacks unless the Carno is much larger many Dino’s can survive a single assault (if lucky or no) and require to be chased down and that’s if they are alone and don’t have any buddies to provide protection

[limber hull]

Things that carno should have:

• Terrible turning
• Terrible in water
• Unmatched land speed
• A charge that doesn't lock it in a single direction and make it extremely easy for a small prey item to dodge
• Poor stam regen, unless resting, in which it has good stam regen
• Enough stam to consistently and reliably pose a threat to a smaller animal that enters its hunting ground, while not out-stamming them outright

[abstract belfry]

Honestly sounds pretty accurate to how it is now I just think they need to tweak his hit boxes so there isn’t any weird stuff happening resulting in Carno getting hit when he shouldn’t be

[limber hull]

the hitbox is stupid and undebatably so

[sage yew]

all good, but to show dominance, carno does not need ram
he would be still strong without it

[limber hull]

fix the hitbox, add a 5% stam consumption on charge use, maybe don't let it knock down tenos so it can't just one-cycle the tenonto to death, and we're good

[limber hull]

remove the ram from current carno and it's utter garbage

the entire reason this animal is so dominant is because of its ram

[sage yew]

not saying to remove it
only if it requires charge up stam, it wouldn't render him useless

[limber hull]

it would certainly be completely unwarrented as a nerf

15% is still nuts

[sage yew]

maybe, maybe not
hard to tell how it would be at the end, if all balancing is done

[limber hull]

it's pretty easy to tell

[sage yew]

how can anyone be so sure

[abstract belfry]

I’d be happy with the extra stamina as long as it had an appropriate damage amplification to the charge,
Give and take risk/reward and all that

[limber hull]

carno would quickly become quite vulnerable to clever gangs of omnis

[limber hull]

im actually fine with how much damage charge does atm

it helps the small game hunter actually ensure it can finish off said small game

my issue arises when it can hit things which should not be classified as small game

tenonto is over 3/4s the size of a carno and still gets KNOCKED DOWN by it

[abstract belfry]

rapidly clicks button to use all charge stamina boosting damage to crazy levels

[limber hull]

it should get staggered, at most

its such a tragedy that teno is by far the most balanced animal in the roster rn and it's getting completely invalidated by the two overpowered bastions that are carno and pachy

omni and teno actually have fun and fair hunts where omni doesn't feel like utter trash

too bad everything else on the roster is either never played or complete gods

[barren crater]

60 seconds of stamina. 15% of that gone in an instant + the drain of charging

[sage yew]

other question
should omnis run, be more efficient then carnos?

[barren crater]

You'd die to an omni pack so quickly

Like 2-3 honestly if they dodged a bit

[limber hull]

omnis would slaughter that carno, yea

[limber hull]

what does this mean

[sage yew]

omnis are pretty light weight compared to carno
feels omnis stam should last longer

he's already slower tho and omnis need stam to stay agile
while carno has his bite force to compensate for it

[limber hull]

omnis stam does last longer

carno has one of the worst stams in the game

[sage yew]

definitely not currently

[limber hull]

100% currently

[sage yew]

hm

[barren crater]

60 seconds compared to omnis 105 seconds

[sage yew]

rly?

[limber hull]

really

[barren crater]

Omni covers more distance

[sage yew]

okay

[limber hull]

carno is just fast

[sage yew]

maybe thats it

[limber hull]

meaning it uses those 60 seconds to go further in less time

omni isn't as fast, so it travels less in 60 seconds

a pack of omnis can totally run down and outstam a carno tho

[sage yew]

I understand the math xD

[limber hull]

(and if a carno were to have a 15% stam reduction on charge, it'd be even easier)

[sage yew]

okay, fair
but some amount should be given tho

[barren crater]

Imagine when you're out of stam and not able to buck

💀

[limber hull]

death

[sage yew]

on the other hand, a carno should maybe take the p*ss if he engages with a omni pack

[limber hull]

people always forget omni is now a "if you run out of stam for two seconds you will die a very prolonged and painful death"

[limber hull]

i honestly think packs of omnis need to start actually respecting carnos

they can TRY and kill one, but the concept that the small game hunter needs to be consistently taken down by its prey is kinda silly to me

[sage yew]

if carnos are forced to roam alone?
maybe you are right

but if you let carnos pack like right now it all falls apart

my hope is that diets will be used to combat this
1 carno gets his buffs easy, but 2 carnos or more don't have this luxury any more

[barren crater]

I mean, isn't that how it is now?
You just need to hunt more so that everyone gets their fill

[sage yew]

currently it's easy to get a herd fed
especial with 2 carnos, you can just hunt way more and it's all done

but locking organs onto carnos diet in his adult stage for diets, would limit the amount of given resources

they would still have plenty of food, but not all buffs for multiple carnos

in such a case, I could happily accept that carnos are a monstrum of a danger

[barren crater]

locking organs?

[sage yew]

did I a bad phrasing?

[barren crater]

I guess yeah. What do you mean by locking organs?

[sage yew]

only organs give diets
meat is just food

[barren crater]

That doesn't really limit Carno the amount of carnos. It only makes playing it more unfun for no real gain except making it 'difficult'. The next thing those Carno players will do is just kill everything they see (which tbf, is what they do now - but then there's an incentive to as well for others).

[sage yew]

"That doesn't really limit Carno the amount of carnos. It only makes playing it more unfun for no real gain except making it 'difficult'."

exactly this is the idea, the chance to encounter 3 full buffed carnos, would be way smaller

[barren crater]

The buffs aren't that great where it completely makes a Carno better. The base stats for Carno is great. As long as you have 1 diet, which is easy to have, you'll still be losing to them.

You personally wouldn't notice the difference between a 3/3 diet carno and a 1/3 Carno

[sage yew]

keep in mind, that this alone is not meant to prevent anything from happening and it would need to work with other mechanics as well - which I have not come up with for now

but it would be an first incentive to prefer playing alone or maybe in a duo pack, or you simply have to deal with diet shortage

[limber hull]

i personally do prefer the idea of carnivores really only caring about organs, not the meat it comes from, personally

[sage yew]

could establish a "alpha" mentality, as the first one who eats gets the precious parts

[limber hull]

also i just hate caring about what you eat

[abstract belfry]

I just checked the isle wiki tenon adult weigh 1,600kg whereas Carno weight 2,170kg that’s over half a ton more weight that the Carno with its powerful legs and skull is ramming into that Dino it’s gonna topple over unless a brace mechanic is put in the game

[limber hull]

isle wiki is entirely inaccurate

[abstract belfry]

Really?

[limber hull]

that's legacy carno, evrima carno weighs 1800kg

[barren crater]

That was legacy carno

[limber hull]

also the isle wiki just kinda sucks lol

i never use it for info because it gets a lot wrong

[abstract belfry]

Damn they should really be updated then

[sage yew]

1.6 ton is still a huge mass to get moving
sounds like something you could actually get hurt as a carno

[limber hull]

1.8 ton carno knocking over 1.6 ton teno consistently enrages me

[barren crater]

Probably will when the game is more consistent in balance

[sage yew]

currently you only can build on assumptions of the futres, not the current gameplay - as... it is what it is

[abstract belfry]

Yeah I’m not a physicist so I’m not gonna even try to calculate the amount of force necessary to topple a tenon

[lapis swallow]

A lot

(I am not a physicist)

[sage yew]

1.6 ton x 1.8 ton x velocity² sounds like a really bad car crash

[limber hull]

okay thats cool but carno doesn't weigh that much

[sage yew]

still applies tho

[limber hull]

okay, carno would also get messed up in that engagement

[abstract belfry]

Thick neck muscles and skull are very valuable when absorbing force

[barren crater]

That isn't possible for carno

[limber hull]

in reality carno would break its goddamn neck

[sage yew]

but still, does not sound so healthy overall

[limber hull]

i fully advocate for anything 901kg and up to only be staggered, not knocked down, by carno

[barren crater]

I feel like that should be similar for all knockdown abilities except for pachy

[sage yew]

I like the idea of %-chance to hurt himself

[limber hull]

i hate that

that's anti-fun

[sage yew]

I know

[barren crater]

like half the size imo for teno so it doesn't knock down cerato

[abstract belfry]

That’s fair I’d like to be able to stagger stegos instead of just plinking off like it’s nothing

[sage yew]

anti-fun is no argument - most other games also do not deliver a 100% chance for success rate for anything - it only sounds bad

[limber hull]

you SHOULD plink off like its nothing

anything heavier than carno shouldn't be staggered

[barren crater]

The success rate is around you beating your opponent not some rng thing

[limber hull]

boy i cant wait to die on my adult carno for using an attack

[abstract belfry]

even if big head hit little head?

[limber hull]

yes

carno should just ignore stego

[sage yew]

%chance to hurt him self is not a death scentance

[limber hull]

if you're on low health, it is

[barren crater]

I know it's balanced around stego being an apex, but damn does it suck when barely anything can hunt it in the game

[sage yew]

don't do it then

[limber hull]

ah yes

punished for hunting

starving to death? guess that sucks, you can't hunt that prey item because it'll kill you

[barren crater]

WHY DOES IT NEED A % CHANCE. IT'S FINE AS IS

[abstract belfry]

Dude I can’t wait till a bigger carnivore comes in and puts it in its place (hopefully)

[limber hull]

wonderful!

[sage yew]

punishing for being careless
btw. I've meant this for bigger opponents

[icy lion]

I really don't want RNG to come back

[limber hull]

% chance for anything always sucks

thank you lol

[icy lion]

IMO it doesn't belong in a game like this

Either play better or suffer the consequences

[barren crater]

That's not being careless. You have no chance of knowing if it will hurt you or not

[limber hull]

the only thing random about The Isle should be the environmental conditions, not the animal you control

[sage yew]

if it's bigger then you?

[abstract belfry]

Keep random crits in tf2

[icy lion]

Don't need to randomly get screwed over just because

[barren crater]

Then they should attack me

The game shouldn't hurt me for staggering something larger than me. Carno can only stun up to 2.7t

[sage yew]

don't be so harsh on that one, it can work very well

[limber hull]

how???

[barren crater]

💀

[limber hull]

what exactly works very well about a random chance of getting hurt

[icy lion]

I'm fine with carno taking recoil, I just don't want it to be rng at all

[barren crater]

What does it offer apart from being a nuisance

[abstract belfry]

A head weighs less than 2.7 tons :p

[limber hull]

if you're dumb enough to charge a stego, the chance of you getting hurt isn't random, you don't need to throw on additional punishment to that lol

[barren crater]

Oh and it does, above 2.7t

[limber hull]

recoil is fine, but a chance recoil?

hell nah

[barren crater]

Imo, carno should have a range where it doesn't stun and doesn't recoil. 2.7t - 3t to compete with the larger mids as a trio

[sage yew]

okay, maybe not %, but KGyouxKgOpponent = dmg value for you
or something like that

but I don't like this one

[barren crater]

Just flat damage to an allo, maia and alberto

[limber hull]

or, hear me out

carno + charge + big thing = no stuns + recoil damage + probably get attacked back

which is how it already is

you're getting punished already for being silly

[sage yew]

not enough IMO

[limber hull]

???

[barren crater]

?

[limber hull]

you can DIE for doing it lol, how is that not enough

[barren crater]

Bruh, a stego can literally kill you in that stun window. A deino can grab you

[limber hull]

or bite you

[barren crater]

Yeah. Imagine it in the future where other abilities are present. They just hold you down and you die

[limber hull]

exactly

[sage yew]

no risk no fun :O

[limber hull]

You're literally taking risks

I just listed all of the risks

You take damage, you get stunned, you're open to attacks, you do no stuns

That's 4 risks

[sage yew]

"taking risks" doing basic stuff that game provides is not really a risk

[limber hull]

???

what the hell are you on about, there's a TON of risks to charging big things

[sage yew]

going into a fight is just basic procedure, I want to go further with the risk
every action you take, should have an equal reaction

[limber hull]

so what, every time i attack someone, i should take an equal amount of damage?

[barren crater]

That just complicates things. Makes the game UNFUN as hell then

[limber hull]

god i want to be punished for everything hell yea

i want the game to spit salt in my eyes every time i try to play

[sage yew]

nah, not like that
but in such a way, that you need to constantly plan your next move

[cyan flame]

You kind of have to already though?

[sage yew]

is it worth the risk? do I try it the other way? and so on

[limber hull]

you already do that

[cyan flame]

Depending on what you're up against

[sage yew]

not enough =/

[limber hull]

for example, me, a carno, wouldn't fight a stego because of the pile of risks

unless i was suicidal or just bored

[sage yew]

maybe it should be like that

[limber hull]

that's HOW IT IS

I've been telling you, it's already that way

[sage yew]

...I've just killed a stego out of boredom

[cyan flame]

Also just so we're clear, RNG is a terrible idea in this game since it's survival and you're meant to make smart choices and all that. I do not at all relish the concept of me and my friend doing exactly the same thing but getting different results due to RNG. That is in no way, shape, or form fun, much less makes for good gameplay. Unless maybe it's a specific game where RNG is part of how you go about things.

[limber hull]

an adult stego? as a carno?

[sage yew]

yes

[limber hull]

that's a really bad stego lol

[cyan flame]

It could happen, if the stego is afk or just have no clue how to stego.

[sage yew]

maybe, I don't know this dude in person

[limber hull]

that doesn't mean the game should punish you for your opponent being garbage

[cyan flame]

You want to go have some combat practice on scopes server? I'll be stego, you can show me how you go about fighting me!

[sage yew]

nah, I still stay with then
if rng is combined with some claver mathematics it could work

[limber hull]

no it really wouldn't

[cyan flame]

Just... why, why would you want RNG?

[limber hull]

?????????????

this dude lost his goddamn mind

[abstract belfry]

Glad to know we’re speaking in sound logic

[cyan flame]

I mean, if he wants to show that somehow the matchups does not require any form of planning or thinking, we can try that out

[small anchor]

@icy lion @chilly ermine whats that tap sprint? what does it mean?

[chilly ermine]

tap a key and your deino will sprint as apposed to *holding a key to sprint

[icy lion]

You can tap the Shift key to sprint instead of holding it, it's nice if you want to go longer distances or if you just don't like holding the key

All animals used to be able to do that in water, but it was removed recently

Which sucks for deino most of all

[small anchor]

ahh i got it

thanks both

[limber hull]

@topaz pendant i dont agree with reducing carno's turn on charge

fix the egregious hitbox before nerfing an actually interesting change

[tidal rose]

I cant believe people are disagreeing with me on the matter that a croc shouldnt be able to run a marathon with a carno in its mouth to drown it afer catching it half a mile on land lol

[supple flame]

@tidal rose Yeah but the Carno must have been stupid to not see the croc or run away

[barren crater]

That's still not Deino's gameplay loop. You use the water to ambush stuff. Not run all the way inland, grab something like it's weightless and bolt towards the water.
This issue has only really come with this update since smaller deinos are now fast and have a lot of stam. It shouldn't be a thing

Also, it's so goofy how you lose stamina while being held on land.

[supple flame]

Yeah most of the time when a deino runs out it gets killed

[barren crater]

? Again. This isn't deinos gameplay loop. So it will likely be changed

[fossil pagoda]

I think it is cool that deino is a bit more land oriented while growing and completely water-only oriented when fully grown. The gameplay loop will be defined by whatever is possible to do with it, so right now the gameplay loop is to be on land more often while growing. Being just in the water waiting for someone to drink is extremely boring otherwise

[supple flame]

Yeah and all Dino’s can outpace then and are more agile then it so it’s not really a problem

[crimson citrus]

@lucid robin sorry for the ping. I love your suggestions but I'm a bit curious about the last one. Why would longer feathers on a male Hypsi make it jump higher? I'm just wondering what your logic is there. Or maybe there is just something about birds' mobility that I don't know.

[supple flame]

I don’t know maybe it can give it some more flapping power but silver sabertooth will have the answer

[crimson citrus]

Hm well. From my point of view the feathers would be slightly more heavy than the female's. I'll take peacocks as an example. The males have a worse time taking off than the females due to the weight of their feathers and the extra energy it takes them to lift them up. From what I know about birds, having a long tail is an evolutionary disadvantage in terms of survival.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[barren zephyr]

Start auto running on land then go into water. But yea hope that gets added back

[barren zephyr]

I liked his suggestion because males and females should be a little different

Males and females in a 1v1 should stay even

But they should have slightly different buffs

For example a male utah raptor could have a higher jump while the female has more stam for running

I mean omni

[tall hearth]

I feel like I'm the only one who doesnt like tapping shift to auto run. It ruins some of my spacing in fights or just traveling thru the forests. Can I turn it off in the settings?

[barren zephyr]

Dont believe so

You can make a suggestion on it

[tall hearth]

I may end up doing that.

Maybe even make an entirely different button auto run?

[tidal rose]

I don't think deino running around on land and snatching is simply how the game should go, sure occasionally when the other dinosaurs are very stupid. But hat example in the video almost looks like a primary way to attack. Why wait in water when you can run up to a herd at night and snatch them? All you gotta do is pop out of the bush and you can drag one to the water lol

[burnt bone]

Eh.. that type of stuff leads to one gender generally being meta, plus differences like that should be perks. The genders should stay equal imo (except for looks) because it can lead to a heavy skew. Maybe certain species with a large difference between male and female could, but overall it causes a lot of issues.

[icy lion]

I could have sworn you could but I haven't looked for it in the settings

[crimson citrus]

I'm not saying I don't like the suggestion but it just doesn't make sense for me why male Hypsilodons should jump higher with all of their display feathers. (Still waiting for an explanation on that.) But I guess little difference wouldn't hurt.

[barren zephyr]

I dont think the male hypo should jump higher

Instead the female should

And the male should get another buff but not something to overpower the female

[barren zephyr]

I liked his suggestion because females and males shouldn't be exactly the same. Though his suggestion would be better the other way around, female hypsi should be able to jump higher and run faster. Males on the other hand should have stronger biteforce

[urban flax]

I don't think implementing sexual stat bonuses is a good idea
Like rapdex said, one gender would become meta

[barren zephyr]

They each have their own buffs debuffs

[urban flax]

And I don't think that's a good idea

[barren zephyr]

Yeah probably not but it sounds like a cool idea

And would make sense

[urban flax]

As a hypsi, it's way more useful to have faster run and additionnal jump height than better biteforce
So female becomes the better gender

[barren zephyr]

True but that was just an example

For omnis that'd be good buffs for each

[urban flax]

Any stat difference makes it so there's one option better than the other, unless you're very good at balancing

Also it makes it so instead of having to balance 56 creatures with each other, you have to balance 112

[barren zephyr]

Irl female lions run faster than males

[urban flax]

Which is a bit much

[urban flax]

It's a game

Irl female spiders eat the males after mating, I don't see that translating well into a mechanic in-game

[barren zephyr]

Ik but it would encourage nesting a little bit more aswell

[urban flax]

How so ?

[barren zephyr]

There would actually be a reason for females to have males because right now theres no reason to nest

Sorry im on mobile so im typing slowly

[urban flax]

No ? If they have different stats, everyone just picks the better gender and that's it

Also having a member of the opposite sex around doesn't necessarily means you're gonna nest either...

[barren zephyr]

Which is better more speed or more biteforce?

It depends on your play style

But also would be really cool

[urban flax]

As a hypsi, dryo, stego, teno, pachy or omni, more speed is definitely better
As a ptera, carno or deino I'd say biteforce is better

And I'm not saying that as a personal preference
Its literally what makes the playable stronger

[barren zephyr]

I dont mean just stronger biteforce i mean stronger strength

A female dieno is going to go like 5km faster than females

A male dieno could do like 750 biteforce

Because That's what it needs to kill stegs right now

[torn thistle]

I feel like trying to balance 2 different stat blocks among a bunch of playables might be a bit more difficult than necessary

[icy lion]

That would be absurd for balance

[urban flax]

If female is 5 km/h faster and male has 50% bonus damage then eveyrone would pick male

[icy lion]

It would, at minimum, double the balance work needed

[icy lion]

Ignoring the extra considerations needed to be taken not only to ensure balance with the whole roster, but balance within the species

[barren zephyr]

Ik and this will probably never happen but i think its a good idea to add

[barren zephyr]

Maybe a bit faster and have other buffs

[faint folio]

I mean... Tbh it's probably better to choose a playable that suits your playstyle to begin with than to play one that isn't suited for it and then be forced into a particular gender because it makes it slightly closer to the way you like to play. Also just that some stats are undeniably more important for certain species than other stats, and whichever gender buffs that more is going to become a LOT more popular because everyone will generally pick whatever makes them more likely to not die

I realize it's not realistic, but then... A game based on pseudoscience genetic crafting to revive extinct species and also genetically modify them to be better than the originals is not exactly realistic either

[barren zephyr]

Ik but its possible to balance

Prob not ever going to happen and if it did the devs probably wouldn't balance it right

[faint folio]

Possible, but unlikely, especially with such a large roster, and kind of redundant? I mean if you want a faster Utah, there's Austro, if you want a deino with better bite force maybe spino or rex, etc. Just not a lot of benefit for the amount of careful balancing required to make sure there isn't a meta that ends up with a 90% male population

[barren zephyr]

Uhm, i hope dieno has the strongest biteforce in the game

It wont have the strongest attack power but it should have the strongest biteforce

[icy lion]

"Biteforce" = attack power

The Newton label was removed from the character menu because of this confusion

There is no correlation between bite damage and irl values, or any form of measuring force

[faint folio]

Yes deino irl has ridiculous bite force but again for in game balance it makes little sense. Deinos playstyle as adult is ambushing small and mid tier dinos, drowning them and eating. It doesn't really need a larger damage value for it's bite. Whereas rex and giga arguably do (rex especially, as by all accounts giga was a bleeder in legacy)

And yeah, bite force in game is the literal damage value of a dinos bite attack

[barren zephyr]

No it doesnt

[icy lion]

Yes, it does

[barren zephyr]

Stegos biteforce is 50

[icy lion]

And it does 50 damage

[barren zephyr]

Its swing is 1200 something

[icy lion]

Its bite does 50

Carno's bite force is 175, its bite does 175. Charge deals more because it's a different attack

[faint folio]

Yes, a stegos bite does 50 damage. It doesn't consider non-bite attacks. Deinos lunge can theoretically do 4000 damage because that's what it can pick up and kill via drowning

[icy lion]

The damage listed on the character screen is = to the damage of your bite

[barren zephyr]

It doesnt tell you the damage of your secondary ability

[faint folio]

A tail swing hurts like crazy, but it's not a bite, so its not reported as a BITE force

[icy lion]

Nope

[faint folio]

We never said it did

[icy lion]

Just the bite

[barren zephyr]

Im saying what it means by biteforce is talking about the bite not attack power

[icy lion]

You're confusing bite force as something unique to damage

All bite force is, is the damage of your bite attack

[faint folio]

But there are other large carnivores that will likely have their primary form of damage as their bite, like rex. And so likely they will have greater bite force than deino

[icy lion]

There is no "attack power" or "bite force", just damage

Different attacks deal different amounts of damage, only the LMB is listed on the character menu

[barren zephyr]

Thats what im referring to

[faint folio]

I still think it's likely that carnivore apexes may have equal or greater bite force to deino

[icy lion]

I wouldn't be surprised if a rex bite is close to a stego swing in damage

[faint folio]

Same

[feral solstice]

I can see Deino getting a much stronger biteforce when apexes arrive

Because 500N is very minuscule when you take into account the weight of apexes

[icy lion]

I don't think it'll need a major increase (if any) because lunge exists

In abstract speaking, lunge deals 4k damage

[feral solstice]

500N, 8,000kg crocodile versus 1,200N, 9,000kg rex (if taking into account Novas chart)

[faint folio]

It honestly depends on how wide/deep the rivers are. Deino isn't really kitted to contest with other apexes. It may be that the primary way of dealing with other apexes is avoidance

[feral solstice]

Honestly if that’s the case, I’d say just downsize Deino down to 4-6 tons, since 8,000kg is more like apex level of weight

[faint folio]

Especially if deino is faster than other aquatic apexes

[feral solstice]

If you do downsize Deino, that gives you the opportunity to increase its agility and REALLY let it shine

And make it more equipped to escaping apexes

[faint folio]

Arguably I agree; 8T is a bit heavy for something that's aiming for 4T and smaller food items

[feral solstice]

Perhaps downsize it to 5 tons so Allo is the maximum weight it can lunge

[faint folio]

Also adult deino is just kinda boring because of how large it is, and teno sized critters provide plenty of food so I really don't see it needing to kill a 4T animal often

Yeah that might be good

[feral solstice]

Yeah, once you downsize it to 5 tons, that means even a Sucho could hypothetically threaten a Deino, especially a pair of suchos.

[faint folio]

Also, although sub deino has issues with being able to run so far while carrying a whole 2T carno in it's mouth, being able to leave the water briefly (to scavenge or grab smaller prey) is nice

[feral solstice]

I do think grabbing a 2T creature and having nigh infinite stam might be a bit problematic but that’s easily fixable. at least now deinos can escape other deinos

[faint folio]

But really that can be fixed by just locking sprint so that deino actually has to drag larger prey like every other dino with large corpses

[feral solstice]

Same braincells

[faint folio]

Lol yeah

It's a bug, but it has such an obvious fix because that's how everything else mechanically fixes the issue of running with a large meal to go

[barren zephyr]

Anything under 2 tons should be easy game for dieno

But dinos 3 tons or heavier should be able to put a tough fight up

[faint folio]

Agreed

[lucid robin]

because i noticed with the animation that the hypsi when charging its jump, raises its tail, and then shoves it down suddenly, almost like flapping a wing, to help it jump higher. that's why it raises the tail. so longer feathers would theoretically jump a bit higher!

[left nacelle]

@lucid robin That ptera suggestion could be abused. The whole point of a log out timer is so that you can't log out while in danger. if ptera could log out on a cliff, it wouldn't have to land and put itself in danger. They could just fly to the nearest tree, latch high enough so they're safe, and log out. Plus that could lead to a lot of bugs when logging back in

[lucid robin]

true but like.. who cares really if pteras misuse it anyway? i mean they aren't exactly a big meal for pretty much anything, and they aren't a threat to anything except hypsis which spawn as adults and even a hypsi can kill a ptera, so I think it'd be a pretty fair mechanic

[left nacelle]

But it's too easy to survive as ptera as it is. Being small and not being a threat isn't an excuse to have an abusable mechanic. Plus when Quetz is added and ptera (i assume) becomes its prey, that mechanic could lead to issues

[lucid robin]

quetz could still hunt ptera if it was latched onto a cliff trying to log

[left nacelle]

yeah but a ptera shouldn't be able to log off on a cliff in the first place. it makes it that much harder. And plus ,they can latch on more than just cliffs, which could lead to even more issues

Trying to hunt a ptera who's logging off on a cliff is just infuriating cause you're given a 1 minute time limit to kill it

[cyan flame]

I doubt ptera needs it, not like it would struggle with finding safe spots anyway, either just remote areas or actual edges that nothing else can get to.

[left nacelle]

If anything, ptera needs things that make its life harder

[limber hull]

true lol

[left nacelle]

Coming from someone who plays mostly ptera

[tardy barn]

The hard truth.
The only thing I die to as pter is ether deinos or my own stupidity

[left nacelle]

Same

[tardy barn]

Ideally they’re add flying predators

[left nacelle]

Yeah Quetzal is planned

But Quetzal might end up being more of a terrestrial predator, we don't know

[lucid robin]

i cant wait for ptera to be able to move around and climb around cliffs and trees when latched

thats gonna be awesome. especially if a ptera can like latch from the ground and climb its way up without flying up

[limber hull]

pretty sure they said they didn't want that

[lucid robin]

i dont think so..

ive heard hints that itd be added eventually, or that it was a possibility

it would just make sense and be so much better honestly

if u only are referring to the latching from the ground thing, yeah idc if that is added

[limber hull]

no, as in, moving while latching

[lucid robin]

we'll see i guess

[agile roost]

#general-feedback message
Deinosuchus was too large to need to sunbathe, infact it had a really stable body temperature because of it's size. So basically it's body temperature left and entered at a slow rate

[lucid robin]

@random current i think u might be referring to my earlier suggestion that has like 4 small changes.. i didn't wanna wait 18 hours to post each TINY thing separately, so I think it's fair what i did, although i do usually try to do separate suggestions but i was just getting so sick of waiting

[proud coral]

I think it's been implied that they wanna try that some day. Can't remember what dev though.... possibly Dondi.

[rare fractal]

But….but why tho

Oh my mistake….we wouldn’t wanna make ptera too op now would we

[tall hearth]

down the line, it might not be as safe as you think. once climbing playables are added like herrera, ptera wouldnt actually be safe logging out while latched.

which is a good thing then

the devs would have to deal with how the server drops you to the ground upon logging in though, so idk if thats even fixable on its own

[rare fractal]

It’s honestly so silly to deny QOL changes to pteras abilities because it would make it too safe

Ptera will never not be the safest animal in the game to play

[tardy barn]

they will until another flyer comes and that's it

roster needs something that can kill pters other than deinos

[rare fractal]

Quetz seems like such a meme to me as far as it endangering pteras….

[limber hull]

new flyer won't stop ptera from being the safest animal

[tall hearth]

i imagine ptera being able to fly higher than it on a single stam bar, turn better, and fly faster even so i doubt quetz would be too much for it (at least as adult). i can see the juvi and adolescent stages catching pteras though if they arent careful.

[rare fractal]

Unless Quetz is astronomically agile

[limber hull]

(which i hope it isn't)

[tardy barn]

yea i agree but it'll at least make it so you have to have your brain at least on while flying

[limber hull]

i'd prefer quetz to be able to fly higher, but be a more active flyer, compared to ptera, a passive glider)

[rare fractal]

It’d be super lame…

[limber hull]

i'd like quetz to be faster and able to travel further and higher while flying than ptera

but be less agile and a far worse glider

[rare fractal]

Quetz even having an aerial attack that isn’t specifically for keeping pteras off it would also be a shame

[limber hull]

i still wish we had a greater diversity of flyers lol, even one herbivore flyer would be pretty sweet

[rare fractal]

Yeah…tho I get why we don’t, very low roster engagement

Would still be neat

[tardy barn]

yea.. i really hate just saying add more dinos lmao bottom text but some dinos like pter and deino actually need something that can contest them in their own environment

[tall hearth]

quetz could have an alt RMB thats like, a very strong wing beat that could stun pteras near it and force them into a freefall. it could even do a small amount of damage, since ptera has such little health already it wouldnt matter toomuch doing it above a larger playable's head. they'd have a chance to right themselves before actually hitting the ground from a specific height.

with wind currents being confirmed, i could see it having a slight "wind current" in an circular diameter around it so the ptera isnt just pushed down or a predetermined direction

[rare fractal]

Which….for deino won’t happen till spino exists….granted deino is as close as a dino in this game has gotten to intrinsically flawed

[limber hull]

and even then, i still find the whole spino stomping deino thing ridiculous and boring conceptually

[rare fractal]

Yeah that’d be neat, nothing abusable which is good

[rare fractal]

Yeah it kinda only exists in concept because literally nothing else can contest deino…and personally I’d take so much joy watching literally anything having an upper hand on deino…but that’s just my complete apathy with its mechanics influencing my bias….in all seriousness I hate one sided stomps and don’t think they should exist in any form

[tardy barn]

deino is an awful creature gameplay wise but is like perfect design wise

[limber hull]

i agree, unless it's something like "beipi has somehow walked into the centre of plains and has been spotted by a carno"

[rare fractal]

I mean…it’s design trivializes drinking down to a randomized death sim unless you can completely negate its existence in the game through a location it can’t reach…so I’d argue it’s design is quite damaging to the game as a whole

[rare fractal]

True but that’s the furthest extent of a contextual disadvantage a creature could give itself…that makes sense

[limber hull]

but having it that "this animal that can only exist in a very limited amount of space on the island within water sources, that may or may not be reduced in size by the weather, also has another animal that exists in the same space and can kill it with ease, but also is more capable outside said space" is, imho, exceptionally unfun and silly

[tardy barn]

Yes. it's design for gameplay is turning your thirst bar into your forced deino interaction meter

but the design is pretty much 100% what a croc would be like

[limber hull]

deino is more limited than spino in terms of where it can thrive, yet spino can push it out of the limited areas it has

[tardy barn]

there really needs to be a dino that can roll a deino on land at least

[rare fractal]

Oh, ok so you mean as far as it’s ACCURACY…ok that makes sense…when I hear “design” I think of it in the context of designing a game to be played…which deino is almost antithetical to

[limber hull]

stego

[tardy barn]

as much as i love seeing deinos grab carnos and drag it 40m into a river it's gigacringe

[limber hull]

thank god it exists, btw, stego is the world's most unsung hero, the act of policing the gator is the greatest thing it does for this ecosystem

[rare fractal]

And the fact that it gets hated significantly more despite being exponentially less problematic is staggering to me

[limber hull]

because more people play the easy to grow gator

[tardy barn]

it's because deinos can actually eat you

[rare fractal]

Then I’m probably more baffled by people’s complete inability to observe objective reality

[tardy barn]

a lot of stegos just go around deathmatching and no one can stop them
you can't really interact with an adult stego atm

[limber hull]

deino is easier to grow, harder to kill, more oppressive, more deadly and has a LOT more fans. Stego is obviously going to be the most hated because the deino expects more than it already has

[limber hull]

and if they didn't exist, deino would do that instead, which they already did in U3, and it was AWFUL

[tardy barn]

like personally 80% of my deaths are to deinos
it doesn't feel good to lose a creature im growing for 3 hours while animation locked drinking water

[limber hull]

U3 deino would literally smell a corpse from the maximum range, sprint over, steal whatever you had killed and devour it, and due to the balancing at the time, NOTHING could stop it

[rare fractal]

Well, that’s not true, omnis can hunt stegos, and pairs of deinos literally delete stegos, and nothing actually “has to stop them” because nothing can be threatened by stegos aside from deinos, and even then all a deino needs to do to escape is turn around

An animal that basically can’t sneak up on you and is substantially slower than you is no threat

[limber hull]

my favourite thing is watching people complain about "fishing stegos" when the stego takes up 10% of the available waterway, yet like actual fish, they swim towards the hook and are baffled when they're hurt

[tardy barn]

i don't think that stego is an issue personally i was just sharing my thoughts about why stegos are hated

[rare fractal]

Oh I get that

[feral solstice]

Am I the only one who finds the 8 ton Deino weight too much?

[barren crater]

It feels bad in the current roster

[rare fractal]

I’ve quite literally never understood the concept of “stego fishing” like…I don’t think you grasp that you’re invisible underwater, the waterways are massive outside of a few instances…like…you literally can’t

[feral solstice]

Like imo, Deino should only be lunging Allo as the maximum, that’s all.

[barren crater]

8t deino > 1.8t carno feels bad for carnis

[limber hull]

the issue is deino mains literally have fish brains and can't resist the allure of the oh-so-shiny spiky hook

[tardy barn]

lmao do people actually complain about stegos trying to kill deinos in the water
just swim away lmao

[barren crater]

💀 No. Especially with its grow time and allos assumed one

[rare fractal]

The possible reality that Alberto’s and sub paras just getting deleted by rivers in a future roster is depressing as hell

[limber hull]

ALL the time

[barren crater]

Like deino having a grow time any bit similar to allos and still grabbing them

[feral solstice]

And I find the 8 tons a bit too much, and I’d rather it be downsized to like 4-6 tons

[feral solstice]

Either way, the weight is a bit much imo

[rare fractal]

Just so starved for engagement that any thagomizers adorned murder weapon looks like a chew toy

[tardy barn]

😡 me when i die to a carno as a pter like wtf he's taking up my landing area

[limber hull]

i'm the rare exception who believes deino is strong but actually likes its current weight

[limber hull]

surprising you mention, someone was complaining about that earlier

[tardy barn]

real

[rare fractal]

I just hate it’s ability mechanically and it’s total invisibility

[limber hull]

he was upset his adult ptera couldn't kill juvi carnos. Thought that ptera was meant to be some kind of quetz lite

[barren crater]

yeah...

[feral solstice]

Yeah. I’d rather implement a bandaid fix by downsizing Deino so it impacts the larger roster less @rare fractal

[limber hull]

gateway actually does do a LOT for people playing as and against deinos

[rare fractal]

Don’t remind me of that…..discussion

[feral solstice]

And until we get a proper lunge mechanic, that’s what I’d do for now imo

[barren crater]

💀

[rare fractal]

I’d rather just make water clearer…which gateway sorta does in some places

[feral solstice]

That too

[tardy barn]

yea i would at least like for deinos to be a little more viable

[limber hull]

there's a lot more clearer waters, isolated patches of water, and diverse waterways, while making some rivers vital to cross in order to reach over locations. There are bridges, sure, but they aren't everywhere and don't always go where you want them to go

[feral solstice]

Once you downsize Deino, you could afford to making it more agile.

[limber hull]

i really don't want deino downsized, personally

[feral solstice]

At the cost of its HP and tankiness

[rare fractal]

It genuinely does look like a lot more fun…just hoping deino isn’t “counterbalanced” to account for its indirect nerfs

Because it absolutely needs them

[limber hull]

it kind of is and isnt at the same time

it gets these cool little underwater passages and logs for little guys to swim through

there's these dams i love, where they have small openings that bigger deinos can't go through, but little ones can

there's also a lot more focus on actually crossing rivers to get places

they put bridges up to not force you to take the death route, but those bridges aren't everywhere

the rivers are also generally a lot wider and deeper

[rare fractal]

And they’d be frequently trafficked

[tall hearth]

are the clearer waters actually important to deino gameplay now? it might actually have two gameplay styles with clear water.

a nighttime ambusher, waiting for players to get a drink when its dark. it'll probably harder to see under the waters surface at night, if at all. and the other style would be it hunts playables that have to cross rivers for migration/hunting reasons.

[limber hull]

i'll tell you this much, my time in gateway was a general blast lol, everything felt perfect

i do actually think a nocturnal deino should be a thing

i really do want it to have great NV and attack drinking dinos after dark, even in clear waters

[tall hearth]

god that'd be incredibly fun

[limber hull]

real life gators have crazy good NV

[tall hearth]

deino would have to move closer to the shore of the clear body of water to see prey it wants to hunt at night, so it would have to actually be very careful sneaking up on its prey

[rare fractal]

A stealth predator actually having to be stealthy?!

[tall hearth]

i want this too now, i love deinos patient gameplay.

[rare fractal]

Heresy

[limber hull]

if omni gets better NV than dryo and deino in U6.5 I'm going to LOSE it

or if dryo and deino only get very basic NVs

[tall hearth]

dryo should get better NV than a lot of playables tbh. its more of an alarm dino, running or calling when danger is present

[proud coral]

Speaking of Deino

I am really liking the idea of it's camera and I guess this just being a regular interaction with water, period being locked underwater if Deino is underwater. If you wanna peek, you gotta actually PEEK. (also let it poke it's head out pls)

[cyan flame]

Why would it. Omni sounds like it'd be in the middle, deino and dryo having good, stego and carno having bad NV. Most others probably being around omni level. Ptera could have bad too, or good (scavenger ptera at night).

[tall hearth]

its also got huge eyes, good for night

[rare fractal]

If omni gets buffed to counter it's oh so horrendous nerfs that just make it soo sooo difficult to simply exist as....I'm going to throw a Molotov into an orphanage

[tardy barn]

dryo.. just did they neuter your stam so..

[limber hull]

nerf the actually overpowered animals that make these changes feel so bad

[rare fractal]

Mhm

[tardy barn]

yea the problem isn't really utah it's just carno and pachy

[cyan flame]

Sounds interesting. Would make it rely more on water sense for the surface and then having to be careful if it wants a look on what it really is. Would go well with finetuning the sense to account for things like size and speed (if swimming) and so on.

[limber hull]

has anyone noticed that omni packs feel really cool to fight as/against with a teno matchup? no? oh yea, that's right, teno's two biggest counters are the strongest animals in the game rn

[proud coral]

Exactly! I even have a GIF demonstrating it 😛

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423939730544132096/1067241666488041515/SubmarineDive.gif

[tardy barn]

maybe some bucking related changes to be the mechanic more clear but i think utah is fine power wise

[proud coral]

Like this kinda. Camera goes under when you go under.

[limber hull]

i agree 100%

[cyan flame]

Neither of which should fight teno all that well in the first place, at least not solo by any means. Though I wouldn't mind if we "downsized" teno if we just made it more semiaquatic, like cerato. If cera can have alt attack while swimming, why can't teno get something too? :D

[rare fractal]

Not really for me...but pounce just bothers me still, not cuz it's too strong I just don't like the mechanic...but certainly far better than it used to be

[cyan flame]

Normal drain instead of chunk drain. Easy fix to make it feel and look much better.

[limber hull]

this is probably the rare time that i see a newbie to the discord enter balance discussion and NOT get into a useless argument about how certain animals need to ascend to godhood

[rare fractal]

Why downsize it to make it semi aquatic...why not just make it semiaquatic

[limber hull]

just make it semi-aquatic

no downsize needed

[rare fractal]

It's just such a bizarre counterbalance for an animal that isn't even too strong

[cyan flame]

I don't mind it's size personally, but I think there's a few that might want it to be more accurate to irl or something. :p

[rare fractal]

I don't care about those people tbh

[proud coral]

I want semi-'quatic Tomato pls

[cyan flame]

But at the very least I'd like teno to lean more into being semiaquatic, I had such hopes for it with the older maps we had!

[rare fractal]

Considering it's...in the grand scheme of things...quite small, it'll definitely reach that point where it does

[tall hearth]

deino should either be able to sink up to its eyes while its motionless, or have a button that slightly sinks it while not fully diving. it would then have to actually watch the shore area to find prey, and still be semi invisible with water motion.

smart players would actually be able to judge if theres a croc in the water if they look closely enough, making drinking not such an incredible gamble too

[proud coral]

[tall hearth]

and with clearer surface water, the camera going under when it fully submerges wouldnt be an issue, considering deino should very easily peer thru the surface since its semi aquatic, built for waiting and watching

[tardy barn]

idk man i want something done to deino but that something needs to not make the creature useless. Which is hard due to how black and white deino is atm

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-it-right-youre-right-you-know-it-smile-gif-10685716

[cyan flame]

@pulsar smelt What should fracture a stego head to make it work? A pachy? That seems both unacceptable for what a pachy is, as well as invites mixing.

[pulsar smelt]

mixing happens bad enough as it is especially with stegos.

[tardy barn]

breaks your leg
watches stego chase up

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure that's a reason to invite more of it. I suppose deino could be given fractures, but then that might cause another bout of issues. And we tried out carno doing fractures, and that was a disaster.

[pulsar smelt]

Me being a pachy main, and dealing with mixpackers or just kosing stegos, it sucks when one stego in the mix takes out the whole pack trying to end the mixers.

you literally cant do anything to a stego if you arent a utah or apex. going hear is a death sentence cause the stego swing..

[tardy barn]

you like shouldn't be able to fight a stego in anyway as a pachy imo

[pulsar smelt]

heads should still be vulnerable.

[tardy barn]

just run away

[cyan flame]

Well, mixing for herbis can be settled with biome and diets, which is preferable to adding something that would only allow for more mixing. Not as if pachies aren't powerful enough as they are.

[pulsar smelt]

and going in for the shot is still very risky

so the risk isnt going away.

[cyan flame]

They are, stego has 2x head multiplier. Most others have 1.5, and pachy has .75 or something.

[pulsar smelt]

just adding a reward.

[cyan flame]

Just, even if a pachy gets a fracture on a stego head, that's not really going to help the pachy.

[pulsar smelt]

Im just saying they should be able to fracture, for realisms sake.

I stay clear away from stegos over all.

[cyan flame]

Well, realism is not an ideal argument to be fair.

If we had an anky, it'd make more sense if it could break a stego face, no doubt. But not sure a pachy should be able to, when it can't really fight a stego anyway.

[pulsar smelt]

just look at the size of a stegos head compared to the pachy. pachys head is bigger

[cyan flame]

Yes, I've heard arguments to that effect first, but like I said, realism isn't ideal for balance. And with pachy being the only thing able to do fracture, I'm not sure letting it fracture a stego is any better than letting it fracture a deino or something.

It's already bad enough that pachy can stunlock a carno or teno to death. Things that are already above it's size class by a fair bit.

[pulsar smelt]

stegos being able to be head fracd would also probably make them fear something besides deino or another stego. since the roster isnt very balanced right now imo.

[rare fractal]

If we utilize this kind of reasoning across all of balance than a singular omni pounce should 1 tap basically everything besides deino

[pulsar smelt]

but we arent ?

[rare fractal]

No not even remotely

An animal in this game can heal a broken limb in under 10 minutes

We clearly don't utilize realism that reliantly

[pulsar smelt]

Im well aware

[rare fractal]

Then why are we arguing for pachy's being able to fracture a stegos head on the grounds of stego having a small head?

[pulsar smelt]

idk I was @ here I didnt really start it, I just posted a suggestion earlier.

[cyan flame]

Yes, but should they really fear a pachy? And they wouldn't really fear the pachy, more the omnis it would cooperate with. Same way you can do it with hypsi but with more damage and no way to recover easily involved.

[pulsar smelt]

Im not gonna die on this hill cause idc that much at all

was merely a suggestion

[tall hearth]

why even post a suggestion you're not willing to defend

[rare fractal]

We should balance dryo to strike fear into the hearts of deinos

Lets do it

[oblique creek]

I can see mix packing pachys griefing stegos with head fracture so their carno buddies can come kill it

[cyan flame]

Sorry about that? I just wanted to discuss it, as well as point out the mixing I would consider to be a concern. Since I can see it go like pachy breaks head, omnis pounce when stego can't see, rinse and repeat.

[pulsar smelt]

I already said why. but the reasons werent good enough lol so I have nothing further.

[oblique creek]

Pachy players have enough going for them with this update lol

[rare fractal]

Pachy and carno are still fighting eachother for the second most busted animal in the game...that's true...but irrespective of that it'd just be a bizarre balancing choice

[oblique creek]

I agree

[rare fractal]

Pachy and stego have nothing to do with eachother, and a pachy fracturing a stegos head can ONLY be useful in the context of mixpacking since pachies borderline logistically can't kill stegos

[barren crater]

I get the feeling tbh. Just having stego in this state is unfun. Can't really engage with it without losing progress. Which sure, you can walk away from the stego, but the only message that sends is "Here's a playable that won't die". So you have it where everyone just plays it. Similar to Deino. One of the key issues why this game feels dead even when on a full server. The vast majority of the playerbase you literally can't engage with.

[tardy barn]

the hard part of playing stego is getting there

[limber hull]

stego is hell to grow, yea

[tardy barn]

and it will never feel good about dealing with a stego who got there

[oblique creek]

Yea it's just adults that you can't engage with

[rare fractal]

Deino is still substantially worse, it's why these kinds of suggestions baffle me so much because...none of them seem to address how much stronger deino is than it comprehensively speaking

[barren crater]

I wouldn't even call it hard when you can just opt for the 30% boost by spawning SE. Nothing is hard to grow in this game

[tardy barn]

that's because deino is kinda it's own little gimmick in it's own realm

[rare fractal]

In relative terms it's probably the hardest animal in the game to grow...teno giving it good competition

[barren crater]

Oh yeah. I despise deino the most. It just sucks when we barely see anything but deinos, stegos and carnos

[rare fractal]

Mhm...tho personally stegos have been rather rare lately

It's just been carno's, pachys...and deinos

[barren crater]

Only other playables that ever get picked are ones in busted states. Pachy this update, Omni last update

[tardy barn]

i've killed a lot of baby stegos actually recently

[barren crater]

I've seen a lot of stegos personally. I always come across large groups

[cyan flame]

If we could just work on stegos needing to compete with each other, and having good reasons for only coming in pairs at most (+ juvies if they want to nest of course), and so on, stego might feel more fun even if you're mostly interacting with other stegos. You'd have your own "world" but it'd be in some ways it's own "living" world. Deino needs this too, and even their cannibalism don't seen to do much, if anything at all. So it's not just "kill others of your kind" but the entire reason and situation around it I think.

[barren crater]

But yeah, pachys are played a lot

[rare fractal]

huh...what servers are you usually on?

[barren crater]

NA servers. NA4, NA5, NA1

[rare fractal]

That needs to come after stego's given any form of a dignified mirror matchup tbf

[tardy barn]

deinos need faster food drain real bad

why are there 10 deinos in the same 3 inches of river

[cyan flame]

No. Because people won't care about the mirror match until it's needed and matters. Same with deino honestly. It has a shitty mirror matchup, and fighting other deinos is not the most thrilling, but it doesn't matter right now. Just regrow.

[tardy barn]

yea, deino vs deino is spam m1

[cyan flame]

Not faster food drain, more food needed to fill up instead, or less given by their sources I think.

Since deino do need to sit and wait, and has to have food and time for that.

[rare fractal]

Just do both at once :p

[tardy barn]

that's probably better yea

[cyan flame]

I don't meet that many, but the few times I do, it's mostly full herds, and it irks me every time! :p

[tardy barn]

when i see adult stegos they're ether in groups of 3 or are trying to bait deinos

[cyan flame]

You could. I just don't think people will care about how the mirror match feels until it's a common thing and you actually want to survive more than just "oh well, time to afkgrow back" :p

[rare fractal]

Well...then who cares about those people...they can go care about something else while the game is getting improved I suppose

[cyan flame]

Yeah. I meet other adult stegos, it's "lets go look for deinos". Meanwhile all I want to do is just roam the plains, eat my marigold, and maybe nest (no luck in finding any solo female yet that might be interested, most come in groups and just want to go fight stuff) :p

[rare fractal]

I've never thought it a good justification not not objectively improve mechanics in a game because some people might not care

[cyan flame]

That is true, I am more so thinking that we won't see a change unless people really want it.

[rare fractal]

Because it establishes a baseline to integrate that matchup into a more meaningful mechanic in the future

[rare fractal]

Tbf....stego got a rex wack animation recently xD

[barren crater]

Yeah...

[cyan flame]

It's sad. But I seem to be one of the few that doesn't like stegos coming in herds.

[limber hull]

honestly, hot take, i reckon organs should give a LOT of nutrients (perhaps even filling a slot) and per-species diets should be gone. Ideally, I'd have a system where

• Organs = nutrients (VERY high amount of nutrients per organ, most organs should fill a nutrient slot)
• Other meat (basic flesh, fish, AI, whatnot) = food, not much else. Some exceptions apply, for example, piscivores get nutrients from fish.
• Nutrient drain links with stomach content (fuller stomach = slower nutrient drain, starvation melts away at nutrients)
• Debuffs still given for eating rot and cannibalising if you aren't designed to do so, obviously. Nutrients aren't gained if you eat rotten/cannibalised organs, unless that's a permitted mechanic for your animal.

Meat is important to ensure nutrients don't drain exceptionally fast and stave off that constant fear you will run out of nutrients, meaning AI serve a purpose while not being nutrient batteries, so on.

The idea itself is very undercooked, but I'd prefer it to the species diet list + organ stuff

[cyan flame]

Hm. I could see that work. But first question is, what do you do with herbis?

[rare fractal]

Makes sense to me...plus what an animal is mechanically designed to engage should be what determines what they hunt

[tardy barn]

how will juvies get diets?

[limber hull]

Scavenging, killing things smaller, being a little pest.

[cyan flame]

@limber hullOverall, not a bad idea I don't think, and I'd like to see it tried out at the least. And I think making AI only "food" would be good, for making carnis a bit more of a challenge.

[limber hull]

The idea would also be a full stomach would have a VERY slow nutrient drain

Like, VERY VERY slow

[cyan flame]

Can we somehow work this into something similar for herbis? I'd like for them to have a bit more challenge to food aside from "go to this place, go back that way, and circle around".

[limber hull]

Starvation, on the other hand, would quickly rocket you to malnutrition

[rare fractal]

Good, cuz the current meta is keeping yourself near starvation at all times so you can fill a certain nutrient as high as possible when needed

Which is bizarre to me

[limber hull]

That's what I'm trying to avoid

Hence why organs would be such massive nutrient boosts

For very little provided food

I'd actually throw on a potential change, juvis start with all three nutrients, BUT, younger animals have a greater need for food and hunger much faster than their adult counterparts, slowing down their metabolism as they reach closer to their adult stage. This would force juvis to engage, while not punishing them for existing

[cyan flame]

Can serve as a way to drain nutris too then. Especially if you have food nearby, so you can deliberately puke + "starve" to drain and then refill.

[limber hull]

Yea, exactly

Basically, what this would be is a way to prevent AFK and make "raw" meat important, rather than "throwaway meat I should not eat", and allowing anything to hunt anything, given it thinks it can

[tardy barn]

i think that sounds pretty good

[cyan flame]

This makes so much sense!

[limber hull]

Exactly

Animals shouldn't be restricted by what gives what nutrient, rather what should be important is how well designed they are at hunting said creature

Just because a carno can get nutrients from the heart of a rex does not mean it should start hunting adult rexes

The juvis, on the otherhand

[barren crater]

This. If you have the ability to kill something, you should be rewarded via the organs

[limber hull]

Exactly

Also it means ya boy cera can sniff out any putrid organs people forgot to eat and have a private nutrient-filled feast all to itself, and a full stomach to top it all off

[rare fractal]

nah, you can only eat the rotting putrid sludge that came from what was once a galli...sorry

[limber hull]

Or it can go "good hunt, however, i desire this meat more" and scare off a pack of omnis before it can even touch the lungs of their prey

Also nesting would be viable]

If you prepared food beforehand, you would have ample nutrients and food to sustain your young

Since the drain would be slowed by a full stomach

We have animals hunting for meat, hunting for nutrients and actually trying to keep their stomach full, and suffering for not having a good meal

AI maintains relevance without being a crutch (boars, despite not being nutritious, still have the biggest bodies of any AI and would be an excellent pick for hungry animals)

Now how to translate this to herbivores???

[tardy barn]

that's always a problem huh how to make getting food as herb interesting in anyway

[icy lion]

A much wider variety of plant options, some of which being far more rare and in lower quantity than others

Not a total solution but it's the start of one imo

Expand more into herbivore competition not only by supply but by some herbivores actively removing others' food

Teno and dryo both destroy the stems, leaves, and flowers of a plant to reach the roots. Make other herbivores want those wasted parts

[barren crater]

How long would you make the diet drain? Currently it's 1:1 with hunger (iirc, not intended)

[limber hull]

That actually reminds me, there was once a thing in U4 stress test where both stego and teno ate radish root, but only stego could dig it up, meaning that tenos had to tail the stegos or even fight them for the radishes

Obviously I don't want that again, but it was one of the more interesting engagements I've seem

[tardy barn]

stegos staring at the dryo run ahead of them to destroy the leaves just to dig up the roots

i do think that's a good idea tho

actually force some interaction between herbs

[icy lion]

If it becomes a massive concern, the detritus of the destroyed parts could remain in a really low quantity

[limber hull]

Dependent on stomach. If you've got a full stomach, I'd have it drain very slowly (1/4-1/2 the speed of the stomach), whereas starving would be insanely scary fast (2x-4x the speed of the stomach drain)

[icy lion]

"All these dryos left for me was petals and leaf bits"

[cyan flame]

Me when I let a sub stego live way back, only to see the (redacted) eat all the food I was trying to get, and because he was so far ahead of me, he got most of it before I could catch up.

[tardy barn]

i would like a reason for other herbs to be aggro without just dming

[barren crater]

Does having 10% hunger count as starving or in the red?

[limber hull]

I do adore the idea of certain animals destroying the sunradish flower, which other herbivores eat, reducing the amount the other herbis get. Dryos would be seen as rabbit-like pests that need to be removed in order to ensure food

[tardy barn]

they wanted it to scale with food i believe

[icy lion]

That's the biggest issue with it, straight-up griefing

[tardy barn]

Yea, that's what i was bringing up as a joke

[limber hull]

Has to be in the red in my suggestion, red = insane nutrient drain

[barren crater]

Oh that's dope then actually

[limber hull]

I'd actually have 1% food be fast, but 0% is REALLY REALLY fast

[tardy barn]

just people trying to starve out large creatures by being shitheads

[limber hull]

Say if 1% had an almost 2x nutrient drain, starvation would have a 4x nutrient drain

50% would be 1:1

So just keep yourself well fed and you're good

[cyan flame]

Well that wasn't really him griefing, he needed the food I'm sure. I just had no way to catch up, being slower and so far behind, but that could be blamed on me for not guarding my food area better and being out exploring instead. But I did regret not killing the sub that day, I had all the possibility a few times when we met :p

[limber hull]

Red should be an alarm going off to eat ASAP

[cyan flame]

The issue I guess is giving the other herbis a way to actually prevent or get the herbi they have issue with.

[limber hull]

thats fair

could make it simply a herbivore that's more likely to catch up

rather than a dryo running circles around a stego and melting its food

[icy lion]

Make sure that not all of your diet options are competed by something bigger and/or faster than you

[tardy barn]

a plague of dryos caused mass starvation for all the stegos...

[icy lion]

It'd help a lot if herbis had more than 1 plant per nutrient

[tardy barn]

man that'll be so funny

true it's pretty cringe how to get 3 dot diet as dryo you gotta go to the coast

[limber hull]

The idea of a lone juvi stego out of the migration zone watching helpless as an adult dryo digs up the only source of nutrients it could find is hysterical to me tho

[tardy barn]

right?

[cyan flame]

Back when bushes did not respawn. You could probably do that, eat all the food as a horde of dryos and starve the tenos xD

[limber hull]

But yea, having a selection of potential nutrients is much more interesting to me

[cyan flame]

This would be really nice yes. Also could help with more exploring and different migration routes and all maybe. Not just one set way/spot.

[limber hull]

Like tenonto being fond of eating the river weeds, which beipis hate, since they want it, or devouring the sumac and mountain ash, disappointing stegos

Stego migrates to swamp, only to find a herd of hungry tenos has cleared out the sumac growth

[limber hull]

@bright abyss already a thing on gateway

[bright abyss]

o cool, i'll remove it then

[crimson citrus]

Ohhh it makes some sense now, thanks for explaining.

[limber hull]

@fossil pagoda gateway ain't coming out till we get the UE5 port, that's the rules

it's not done and isn't in a state the devs are ready to release it in

take it from someone who played on it, it still needs work

[fossil pagoda]

was that confirmed by the devs? What I meant is, the map right now still has holes here and there where you randomly fall and get trap to die, or trees where you also get trap, etc... I guess gateway has similar stuff or probably more, but it can still be enjoyable

[limber hull]

that was confirmed by the devs

specifically dondi

[fossil pagoda]

thanks, I didn't know it

[limber hull]

@lapis tree baryonyx is an agile hunter and diver, competent in and out of water, suchomimus is (probably) a shallow-wading large defensive brawler, spinosaurus is a bottom-wading tank of an apex, none of these animals are the same

[lapis tree]

Oh I didn’t know that thanks

[sage yew]

food ≠ food
fruits can be rotten, plants can be poisonous. Branches hard to reach.

The current main problem for herbis might be: "press E to eat". The only difficulty is, to get to a place where you find your food, after that your hunger is solved by the press of a button.

While food for herbis could degrade in a similar way like meat and different parts of a plant could have different benefits like ograns.

Instead of simply pressing E, you should be able to select specific parts of a plant. Maybe use your body weight to pull down branches.
A plant could be dissected into low - close to the ground, mid - a bit higher up, and high - high above the ground. Adults could cooperate with juvis, to provide them better food and help them grow. While the sound of cracking branches might attract attention of carnivores, or provide them with a trail they can follow to find them.

[sage yew]

Also scent-radar detection isn't benefiting the gameplay for herbis (or carnis) either

[limber hull]

my recent post has 0 more letters i can add lol

[barren crater]

Maybe we finally won't see deinos growing off of fish to get a 30% growth boost

Similar with carno and goat / deer

[limber hull]

depends if deino would be classified in the "piscivore" tier

but it's also a rot eater, cannibal and bone eater, so

i honestly wouldn't mind if it weren't a piscivore on top of all that

[barren crater]

Yeah

[limber hull]

my idea very much centres around the idea of rewarding active play and punishing lazy, inactive play

also i just hate diet lists

i want diets for carnis to be more like "special niches" they have

[barren crater]

100%. I do think that it can be kind of harsh on small creatures like omni though. Since they spawn out so tiny

[limber hull]

like, "oh sweet, my animal can eat rot"

[limber hull]

they also grow fast tho, and can make for good scavengers

[barren crater]

Fair point

[limber hull]

they also start with two nutrients in this change

and can immediately find "raw" meat to reduce that nutrient drain until they find an appropriate thing to hunt/scavenge

remember, with these ideas, a big heart could actually grant nutrients to several omnis

[barren crater]

Yeah

[limber hull]

since the idea would be that organs give HUGE nutrient boosts

like, you WANT organs

also we have the "scavenger" ptera actually doing some scavenging

[barren crater]

The current system is kind of broken tbh. Since if a juvi carno were to take out a stego heart for example, the heart would give a full grown carno barely any diets.

I wouldn't call it completely broken, but it isn't accurate to the size of the creature

Since a deino would then take out a bigger heart out of the same body

[limber hull]

i wanted piscivores to actually be rewarded for being piscivores, or bone eaters rewarded for eating bones, without making them free grows

ptera can easily live its life off fish]

[barren crater]

Yeah

Honestly, just make it that way. This update has unironically made the game easier. I can't recall the game being this easy since legacy

[limber hull]

also i just want raw meat to be seen as useful

rather than wasted stomach space, which is a ridiculous mindset

i call it raw meat btw, i know, its weird

[barren crater]

100%. You never actually want to fill up on food lmao

[limber hull]

like, think about it

you kill a pachy, now you have organs that can basically give you a perfect diet, and meat that means you stay on that diet for longer

that's exclusively more value out of said hunt

however, you actually need to take more initiative

initiative is rewarded, AI farming or waiting to stumble over the remains of your desired animal aren't

cera wants to body steal, carno wants to hunt things down, omnis want to get big targets to give tons of nutrients to their entire pack/family

[barren crater]

I can agree with that. Reminds me of update 3 with like only 1 AI. Dryo. But you literally had to hunt other players as a carnivore. No freebies

[limber hull]

AI is still useful

You get meat, which preserves nutrients

[barren crater]

With Update 4, it really pushed away from the whole player v player thing with AI. At least when you were growing

[limber hull]

The idea would still mean AI has a purpose for existing

[barren crater]

Since I didn't need to hunt an actual player until full adult

[limber hull]

Since starvation would just make you malnourished and kill you lol

[barren crater]

Oh yeah, I get that. I just meant more like. Now, you need to hunt players to get diets

[limber hull]

i feel my greatest issue with diets is that hunger took a backseat to nutrients

[barren crater]

Rather than being like. "I'll just find a deer and goat and afk grow"

[limber hull]

hunger should be IMPORTANT

also you should have enough time to actually nest lol

[barren crater]

Yeah. On that note. They kind of made nesting worse this update. With the diet splits

[limber hull]

yea, true

[barren crater]

Like getting nested in, you barely grow

Painful from most experiences.

[limber hull]

i feel like being nested would be WAY more valuable with this change

start with parents that can get you organs

[barren crater]

I just wish nesting in general had a benefit in terms of growth boost. Since at most, you're getting the highest tier of growth, 50%. I feel like you should zoom out of the first % with the max diets. Currently, it's OK. but idk. I guess inherits (perks) will make it more useful.

[limber hull]

yea

idk, i really like the idea of hunger being important again

[barren crater]

I can agree. Since as Carno, even with your limited hunger timer - you still have a moment where you're like "I want to wait for more organs"

And honestly, that has gotten me close to starving a few times lmao

[dire ridge]

oh boy, seems like a long road ahead

[limber hull]

also the 2x hunger drain as juvi exists for the reason of
A: Encourage juvis to actually do things in their life
B: Compensate for their ridiculous stupid stamina
C: They need to eat WAY less food overall given their smaller size

[limber hull]

Dondi has already been messing about with UE5 tests

[barren crater]

Yeah. So they don't get to completely hide with all the benefits they have

[dire ridge]

even then, switch engine is heavy

[limber hull]

Not that big when it's from UE4 to UE5 tbh

They literally give you tools to do it easy

[barren crater]

Juvi stego hiding in the depths of swamp until they're large

[limber hull]

If it were Unity to UE5, I'd 100% agree

[dire ridge]

really ? i wasn't aware

[limber hull]

Epic wants you to be on the latest version

They hand out a ton of auto-port tools

Obviously, you need to test it to ensure everything still works, as some things become antiquated in the code

But it's generally not super hard

As far as engine ports go

(not saying it's simple, to be clear, just that it has tools to make the process not hell)

[light depot]

so why the downvotes on petra? it's widely known youre just a cool camera from the sky, and thats about it. It needs something, this isnt just the deino, carno, stego game

[limber hull]

you're not a pvp animal lol

ptera should not be, nor does it need to be, a PvP animal

also picking up juvis and dropping them is silly

[tall hearth]

The isle also doesnt need to copy everything beasts of Bermuda does

[limber hull]

very valid point

[uneven mist]

if you also want a pvp flier, just wait for quetz. Ptera isn't and shound`t be able to hunt (every) juvi just some and mostly fish and ai

[light depot]

No clue what that is, I'm just sticking to lore base of how they terrorized from above, but if you think just growing them to sit on a rock and 1 call until you die is their purpose, I have no idea what to talk about with you then. I see it as pointless then.

doesn't need to be every

[barren crater]

Pointless to you. Some playables won't appeal to everyone.

[light depot]

I have clips of fighting and killing almost adult raptors, it's very possible

[barren crater]

Quetz will take that role of being the sky terror

It's ok to not want to play something lmao. I doubt I'll ever be interested in anky, doesn't mean it's pointless. Ptera is a great survival playable

[light depot]

you misunderstand, i said pointless to try and aruge it with someone with that outlook

[barren crater]

Ah, gotcha

My bad for misunderstanding 🫡

[light depot]

I'll just keep outplaying and killing everything, thought it would be nice to add another fear, even just some bite buff, to attacking small pachy spawns or raptor spawns, it's very clear this is the carno, deino, stego game, everything else is pointless

[limber hull]

ptera already has a crazy biteforce for its size tho

its actually crazy how much damage it does

[light depot]

Forsure man, anyone with the name 'asshole niche' i'm not gonna waste my time with no offense

[barren crater]

💀

[limber hull]

it's a joke on ava being a little asshole creature

[light depot]

forsure man

[limber hull]

i change my nickname to random creatures and a made up niche

i've been doing it for over a year

also idk what my nickname has to do with my point?

[light depot]

But yeah, thought it was a good suggestion I'll just keep the outplay and keep uploading clips, hopefully something will come someday for my favorite dino 🙂

[limber hull]

if you can outplay, whats the problem

you can already kill things with skill

ptera doesn't need a crutch more than it already has

[light depot]

if i get bitten, one time, im done which is fine! But swooping down, over 18 times to bite, while controlling flight, and hitting the target without falling, thats so much more to it then clicking your left mouse button

LMAO

kk I'm actually not replying to you then

[limber hull]

idk why you're so peeved over this, but sure

[uneven mist]

[barren crater]

💀

[tall hearth]

Just go play beasts of Bermuda if you want to pick players up and drop them. Their flyers can do that all the time.

[limber hull]

true

also it really doesn't care about what's balanced and is all over that whole "everything fight everything" stuff, so that's kinda exactly down your alley

[light depot]

Or we could just do what they did in lore 🤷‍♂️ I also think directing people away from the game to something else is kind of lame, wouldn't you want others to play the game of the discord your discussing with me in? that's doing nothing but directly killing your game

[barren crater]

Survival game

Ptera being the best survival creature.
It's literally a 45 minute, FLYER. In what world does it have any business fighting anything that took multiple hours

Literally perfect at its role

[limber hull]

i dont recall a single lore piece referring to ptera as some kind of death from above animal, that's always been quetz

[light depot]

fresh spawns are not hours

[limber hull]

quetz has always been the animal that is treated as flying death

[barren crater]

You can kill fresh spawns?

[light depot]

fresh to juvenile are not hours

[barren crater]

You can kill them?

Also, you're a 45kg creature, what do you expect to do apart from pecking them

[light depot]

above i was told i shouldn't be able to kill juvenile, fresh yes, with enough persistence that is possible

[barren crater]

You're not picking up something larger than you

[limber hull]

literally not a soul said that

[light depot]

fresh spawns are not larger :]

[barren crater]

Carno, stego and deino are

[limber hull]

also teno

[barren crater]

You can hunt the small tier juvis

[light depot]

i think their is more in the game : D

then those three : D

[barren crater]

What's the issue. Go hunt them?

[light depot]

the pick up mechanice obviously wouldnt be for those three

[barren crater]

You said it yourself, you've got clips of you hunting things

[light depot]

theyre born bigger

[barren crater]

You can quite literally one shot fresh spawn omnis and pachys

[light depot]

not true on pachys

[barren crater]

Yes you can

They spawn in smaller than 20kg

[tall hearth]

Theres nothing stopping you from playing both games. It's not "one dino game or the other". Like I play pot and the isle.

[limber hull]

i admire your ability to survive direct exposure to PoT

[tall hearth]

I'm a tough dino soldier 🫡

[limber hull]

i saw the new update, thought i might get into it, watched gameplay, immediately decided against it lol

[tall hearth]

Lmao very fair

[barren crater]

I'm interested in the combat changes that they will have whenever

[light depot]

combat changes rule lets see more of that in our game amiright

[limber hull]

i think the isle has the best combat of any dinosaur game atm, idk why it'd need many changes

[barren crater]

What would you change apart from ptera

[light depot]

Don't care about anything else

[barren crater]

But didn't you just say that combat changes rule

[tall hearth]

You only play ptera?

[barren crater]

💀

[light depot]

I did! but you trying to fish for ideas i think to tell me how wrong i am will not work friend

[limber hull]

also i dont think picking something up and dropping it counts as combat, since it's not really a fight as much as it is just instant death for the receiving end

[barren crater]

😁 DAMN IT. HE FOUND ME OUT

[light depot]

It was a small suggestiong for a very small view of things, like dry, hyp, maybe raptor and pachy spawns

like stated above theyre smaller then me

[barren crater]

Tbf, that change would be useless. Seeing as you wouldn't be able to tell a fresh spawn from something approaching your weight (45kg) and it would just grief fresh spawns...

[light depot]

like i said, fear from the above, not latch on tree and one call

[barren crater]

Like OK. Ptera is now better at killing the person who clicked spawn.

[light depot]

survival game tho no?

[barren crater]

I can assure you, a ptera is a threat to a fresh spawn pachy and omni

[light depot]

I can aswell, but that small window should be scary

[barren crater]

What would one latching ability up to 45kg even help you with

Just peck them

Hardly a pressing matter to add

[light depot]

No one is terrorizing from above, no one is doing these things though, they're legit just enjoying the view because a lot of people cant outplay like that and don't wanna waste that time which is cool! that's a playstyle, but the feeling of killing something on a class other view as sky cam, hits hard, better then just rapid left clicking something. It's a nice feeling

i wanna be a carnivore

not a "hey look a carno let me spawm 1 call and peck at it and then fly away'

if they have plans for the other one, quartz was it i dont rmemeber then fine, whatever, im dumb, but idk

what im saying doesnt seem that to crazy with everything else in the game

[barren crater]

🫡 You're goddamn right. My bad for not seeing the way.

[light depot]

Name like bird brain i thought you'd be one of us what happen man smh

[barren crater]

Sorry for letting you guys down

[light depot]

join na 2 lets spam 1 call

[barren crater]

I'll improve

🫡

[light depot]

nothing wrong with simply just disagreeing, i get it, just thought i'd do a left field suggestion that wasnt carno, steg, or deino related

[barren crater]

|| (Deino & Stego suck and should be removed. Unique take, I know) ||

[tall hearth]

Heres their concept art for quetz if you havent seen it. It might be more your style once its added

[light depot]

that looks sick

woah he is picking a dino up in the air? i should have thought of that

[barren crater]

Catching a galli and flying off. Which means, omnis and pachys are on the menu. Unless that's a small galli

[limber hull]

not all carnivores are designed to be hunters, you know that

[limber hull]

almost like that was what it's designed to do, unlike ptera

who is supposed to scavenge and hunt fish

[light depot]

from this concept, those look at same size of it too, crazy!

[limber hull]

what the hell

mate that's like 10x the size of ptera

you know that right

[light depot]

misunderstanding, not meaning ptera, stop trying to talk to me

[limber hull]

you said you'd stop replying

[light depot]

youre smiling rn huh

[limber hull]

ear to ear

[light depot]

"i did it i did it he finally replied!"

[limber hull]

you've been replying to me this whole time

[light depot]

thanks though this was cool, i liked our convo a lot, you didnt just call me stupid and dumb thouhg whole time truly i appreciate it

oh thats not bird brain

[limber hull]

lmao

[tall hearth]

LOL

[light depot]

bird brain my dawg

[barren crater]

🫡

This has been an interesting discussion.

[dire ridge]

wtf

[light depot]

https://tenor.com/view/pteranodon-jurassic-world-flapping-wings-fly-gif-17337206

i just have a simple dream boys, is all

[limber hull]

look at those flat feet

[light depot]

god whatta cool dino

[limber hull]

yea, too bad it couldn't pick up anything with those flat-ass pancake feet

[light depot]

got me again but you know how to get me with that, look at that beak, if only it did some damage

[limber hull]

it does

[light depot]

i wish

[limber hull]

it actually has the best damage to weight ratio in the game

by a mile

[light depot]

god buff ptera pls lord pls

[limber hull]

its already the strongest animal lol, literally can't die unless it wants to

[tall hearth]

It 2 shots other Pteras, I'd say that's strong enough tbh

[light depot]

also for this game i wouldnt say feet, that beak that does all that crazy damage your talking about is what i was thinking

[limber hull]

only animal in the game which can two-shot its own kind lol

that beak already does crazy damage

[light depot]

omg

i meant grabbing

[limber hull]

it can grab. bite a hatchling, grab its corpse, fly away

[light depot]

don't get to excited in the replies now, kind of read what I'm saying haha

[limber hull]

it can also grab fish

[light depot]

okay so you admit, after its dead i can grab it, so why cant i just simply grab it similar to how deino does

while alive

thats legit all ive been saying

[limber hull]

because you could just kill it in the same bite

[tall hearth]

1 shotting and flying off with hatchlings is fun. I'm waiting for nesting to become popular in the future, being a Ptera and getting organs from hatchlings is gonna be so nice

[limber hull]

grabbing it would be a waste of time and stam

biting does the same job, but faster

[light depot]

okay, and thats fine, but its like why cant i do that if i can do it whiles it dead, why cant i just swoop down, similar to fish, RMB and grab something smaller then me

which again, very small amount of things, but it's something

nothing indicates from size, to bite force i agree, you guys have done nothing but tell me that withy how OP my class is

so its like WHY cant i do that

[limber hull]

because that's not what the animal is designed to do

quetz will do that, however

so there exists an animal planned that does exactly what you want

[light depot]

so wait hold on

not designed to do that

[limber hull]

yes

[light depot]

its designed to grab it whiles it dead though, not alive? its like it CANT if it breathes?

uh oh

think asshole niche think

[limber hull]

it is designed to be a scavenger/fisher, not an active hunter. It's why an omni, for example, can't pick up animals and drop them, or carnos

because that's not their designed purpose in the ecosystem

deino can do it because it's how gators hunt, and it lends well to their drowning

[light depot]

so in their design purpose, they can scavenge and hunt dead things and carry them off, but if it breaths i cant

fish dont breath so thats why i can scoop them up okay i see it now

[limber hull]

like how omni can carry a dead thing, but can't carry an alive thing, yes

or how carno can't carry alive things

because that's not their purpose

ptera isn't the only one excluded from the "carrying things" club

most of the carnivore roster can't pick up alive things and carry them

because it serves no functional addition to their kit or their playstyles

[dire ridge]

you really want a sky lunge ? what is wrong with you ? lmao

[limber hull]

we're probably getting sky lunge, see quetz

he just wants it on... ptera, for some reason

[light depot]

https://tenor.com/view/pteranodon-jurassic-world-flapping-wings-fly-gif-17337206

[dire ridge]

hum... true

[light depot]

for some reason, im just dumb, i dont know the ecosystem millions of years ago like niche

[limber hull]

jurassic world ptera ≠ isle ptera

[dire ridge]

Ptera feet can grab thing... in Ark

[light depot]

your right, im sorry, i deleted my suggestion, ill just be quiet, my bad

[dire ridge]

But fr it can't

[light depot]

you won niche

[dire ridge]

wtf

[limber hull]

cool

[light depot]

another golden star for your victory board, you earn this one

[dire ridge]

can't you just agree to disagree and move on ?

[light depot]

i suggested that

but that wasnt in the cards for others ig

[limber hull]

if you suggested that you coulda just left lol

convo would've ended there

[light depot]

That smile has to be so big

i can see it, almost

[limber hull]

mouth too full of sandwich

[light depot]

nah i was ignoring you and you kept spamming fishing for me, but you got me with the pic i love my dino sm

[limber hull]

epic

[scarlet ocean]

@topaz pendant Sadly that most likely won't happen, those consepts are old, and the people who had gateway access over the newsyear, including myself, didn't see anything like that anywhere, It has cool looking nesting grounds but sadly not the consept of nesting grounds. ^^ You can see how they looked if u go back in Isle-discussion history and find when ppl were spamming screenshots of how gateway looked around the start of jan and christmas, Im sure one of them posted a nesting grounds sceeny.
Things are probably yet to change, but i doubt they'd make a whole new area

[agile roost]

Ohh

[scarlet ocean]

It was drawn by Fred, and honestly, almost all if not already all freds consepts are top tier compared to others. (Flashbacks to the spino fred drew, vs the spino we got, rip king)

If ppl dont remember or know what im talking about, this is the spino we were supposed to get-

and this is what we got 💀

[topaz pendant]

do you know if they are still changing the map since it is still in stress testing? or is the map complete and the devs are just fixing like glitched drinking spots ?

[uneven mist]

Still changing

[scarlet ocean]

Most likely still changing, but also likely not by much, from my experience atleast, gateway is pretty much finished (and even without those consepts, if they dont come in the end, its still an amazing map =D)

[topaz pendant]

kk tysm

[scarlet ocean]

Always hopin for the best xD or trying to with how things been goin

[pulsar smelt]

Sweet, the upvote bot is broken 🥲

[burnt bone]

The one in the test was a striped version, the monorail tunnels had invisible walls lol.

[gentle flint]

I think that image from the hacker is probably just desync because they’re so sped up. Not positive, and it doesn’t help at all, but yeah I think that might be more aimed at EAC than anything

[pulsar lake]

#general-feedback message
I don’t agree with encouraging active hunting with these herbivores. In reality, herbivores wouldn’t really actively hunt other large animals, but scavenge or eat small animals that are in front of them

[urban flax]

But if it's made omnivore then it wouldn't be a herbivore

[pulsar smelt]

exactly

[pulsar smelt]

I didnt specify the size of food for a reason. but I would imagine and ( I did look into the studies) most comprised of small animals.

[urban flax]

The problem I see is that pachy's kit isn't really adapted to being an omnivore

[pulsar smelt]

kit?

[rancid raptor]

@daring talon Deino should keep its "oneshot" power, as you call it.
The lunging ability should not be costly at all. Maybe unless it's lunging a spikey creature and would take a little amount of damage in doing so, but other than that - deino should one-shot lunge any dino that weighs under 4 tons.

If you get lunged, that is your own fault. You either didn't consider your drinking location safely enough, you were reckless, or you just fell victim to lack of luck. Doesn't matter.

It's completely 100% balanced. Players should not be able to drink water without a slimmer of worry in their mind.