general-feedback-discussion

[icy lion]

If that pool hits 0, they die

[cyan flame]

Can someone get him a screenshot of the blood icon/pool?

[timid marsh]

ya i can bite something 5 times but it still gains health

[cyan flame]

Cause I'm getting the feeling he doesn't comprehend how the bleed works in the first place.

[burnt bone]

because bleed isnt tied to health, its tied to blood pool

[cyan flame]

Because it's not about health, it's blood pool. It's a different tihng.

[lapis swallow]

yes, because health is not tied to bleed

[cyan flame]

Someone just get a screenshot please, so we can show it.

[timid marsh]

ok i under stand the blood pool which grains 100-0 but it should do health not blood pool

[sage yew]

HP = 0 = death
blood = 0 = death
blood = 10% = vignette + blackening of the screen

[timid marsh]

like thye old isle

[lapis swallow]

but the old isle did not allow unique hunting styles

you just attacked one health pool

[weak dune]

Health and blood pool are separate and bleed is arguably much more deadly when applied because the more you move around/run, the more likely you are to die. By all rights you can kill some dinos much faster with bleed than you ever will if blood loss was tied to raw health.

It also allows the devs to adjust bleed damage without fussing with species health pool

[lapis swallow]

and now you have two seperate ones that one uses as a tracking tool during hunts and the other expands on it with directly attacking the second healthbar

[verbal vine]

any chance that devs will bring more big creatures which someone will actually play ( like trike, allo, rex) and stop adding small ass chickens which no one plays? Game literally dying, but they add !TROODON! can you imagine?

[cyan flame]

But there's no reason for that. The current blood pool kind of works like that anyway, just it's separate from health. But it still works like a "health pool" in a sense.

[lapis swallow]

the game is not dying lol

[weak dune]

You have a right to your opinions but I'm quite excited for Troodon

[lapis swallow]

look at the steamcharts

[feral solstice]

Hold on I’ll get a snippet of it

[sage yew]

btw. am I the only one currently considering, that blood loss, should not kill? At least with a 50% of chance for fainting and being able to surive after a blackout, or being eaten alive while unconscious

[uneven mist]

They need to add smalls - “pseudo mids” to make a balanced roster and adding big animals like rex or trike would destroy it even further (look at deino and stego)

[cyan flame]

Game is doing fine. Also people seem to look forward to troodon. And since they're trying to A, do mechanics and gameplay loop and stuff first, and B, make an ecosystem from the bottom up, adding more apexes than we have is not ideal.

[icy lion]

Everything from legacy will return except puertasaurus, which has been replaced by brachi

[feral solstice]

Games dying guys. Wrap up and go home.

[lapis swallow]

but why? why should blood loss not kill?

[uneven mist]

Yes the game is dying (even tho it has more players than it was in 2018-2019 which people called “the golden age” for the isle) but yeah game is dying and let’s jump to path of titans

[cyan flame]

I do kind of wish bleed wasn't just another health pool as it is, but had other effects instead, but it does make sense that it'd still kill you at some point.

[burnt bone]

because adding the small guys first allows people to experience the dinos and have the small guys get balanced, rather than being shoved to the "nobody likes you" category and be unbalanced, which makes those who actually like them unable to play them.

[lapis swallow]

it has other effects

[feral solstice]

I prefer the original idea of bleed than the current one

[burnt bone]

I'd say the stam regen slowing down is interesting.

[cyan flame]

Yes I know, but I meant beyond what it does. There's some ideas that they had back then that might have been interesting.

[lapis swallow]

for example?

[feral solstice]

Your blood loss being in your stamina icon. The more blood you lose, the more the blood drips into your stamina, capping it.

[cyan flame]

It would be, if it was more relevant to the combat and less of a side effect of "I'm about to die to the bleed anyway" if you get what I mean.

[lapis swallow]

that would make bleed op

[sage yew]

there is definitely room for some expansion of this mechanic

[feral solstice]

We can throw the term op around any time. I doubt it would be, though. Lol

[cyan flame]

Yes, old idea of bleed had quite dangerous effects :p

[lapis swallow]

imagine a pachy getting pounced once, it now has it defence abilities halfed

[cyan flame]

But I'm sure it could have been balanced. And I did like the idea of making bleed more of a status effect than "kill" as it were.

[timid marsh]

@lapis swallow well it worked in the oldisle

[burnt bone]

understandable

[feral solstice]

And besides that, the “current” bleed still essentially caps your stamina because of the slow regen after a certain amount of blood loss

[lapis swallow]

the new bleed is better

[icy lion]

I don't think anything "worked" in legacy, balance-wise, imo

[sage yew]

or how about blood regeneration consumes water

[feral solstice]

Didn’t Dondi originally state you wouldn’t die, just faint and anything can kill you afterwards?

[cyan flame]

I don't know, I don't think it was specified, more that you just.. black out/lie down I think.

[burnt bone]

that just sounds more tedious and only affects the winner of the fight

[lapis swallow]

maybe they scrapped it because a direct kill is simpler and it could attract some trolls just bleeding something out and leaving it

[timid marsh]

@lapis swallow so what is the giga, or dilo how they going to do bleed with a special attack?

[sage yew]

tedious, with that approach remove everything beside fighting all together

[verbal vine]

How much impact does that chicken who spit on you? Anyone plays it? Does it do anything to balance?

[lapis swallow]

dilo aint be a bleeder

[timid marsh]

?

[cyan flame]

Dilo will have venom instead, not bleed. Giga might still do bleed, probably with bite because well, it doesn't have funny pounce.

[lapis swallow]

venom

[weak dune]

Dilo will be venomous instead of a bleeder

[icy lion]

This is the old, archived bleed trello card for reference

[burnt bone]

dilo is going to have venom
we don't know about giga yet though

[weak dune]

Dilo was going to have hallucinogenic venom if I recall right

[icy lion]

Yup

[timid marsh]

there calling that vemon little thing a dilo

[weak dune]

While Troodon just has straight up "kill you" venom when stacked

[timid marsh]

i seen it but really

[feral solstice]

DoT venom but yes

[icy lion]

What? No, troodon is a separate creature

They're both venomous

And here's giga's concept art, for reference

[cyan flame]

Both troodon and dilo will have venom, different kinds with different effects.

[cyan flame]

Well, maybe. We don't actually know, do we?

[weak dune]

Troodon is a DoT venom dealer that kills you by stacking lots of it a little at a time, Dilo venom causes hallucinations/insanity or some such

[proud coral]

Dilo is also said to have some secondary effect for it's venom that's aimed to assist with hunts since hallucinations alone aren't super helpful. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

[feral solstice]

Megalania also supposedly has venom

I’m not so sure though

[proud coral]

It'd be silly if it didn't.

[weak dune]

I mean its been implied since Troodon is not taking down bigger dinos like Teno with brute strength

[proud coral]

We don't know details but I remember Filipe mentioning the 3rd stage is "devastating"

[cyan flame]

I've heard it might be more that it causes you to be sick/vomit and similar stuff. So less damage directly and more killing indirectly by causing you to dehydrate/starve or otherwise be in trouble.

[uneven mist]

How much impact does stuff like allo, rex or trike? These animals (especially allo and rex) wouldn’t really survive off the current roster because there would be almost if not any food for them

[weak dune]

Fair nuff

[proud coral]

Gonna be interesting to see that stuff in effect once migrations come and stuff sticks to certain areas more

[burnt bone]

The reason nobody plays hypsi is that it is unfinished and unbalanced, it really needs that climbing mechanic and an actually defensive spit to be viable.
Once it has those (especially climbing), its gameplay will become much more interesting and could make it a good food source for juvies who can ambush it, fliers, and those that can climb trees.
So, it both spreads out the roster (rather than having 90% of a server being carnos, at least a few will swap to hypsi) and it acts as a good food source for juvies, making their gameplay much more fun and making them rely less on things they cant control (scavenging and ai)

[proud coral]

Tree nesting sounds neat

[weak dune]

Hypsi is one of the best dinos on the roster wym

[proud coral]

Also gonna be fun being able to climb so early on.

[uneven mist]

My guess would be like dragons, making them bleed and tracking them down

[proud coral]

Anticoagulant

[burnt bone]

sadly we have to wait for herrera for hypsi climb

[weak dune]

Honestly Hypsi just needs

1. its spit mech finished/polished to be more useable in escapes and not just trolling
2. climbing added
3. fall damage resistance tweaked to be more forgiving than it is right now, considering Hypsi already dies in one bite to literally everything else

[proud coral]

I think Herrera is on the list of "not up next but a lot closer than others"

[burnt bone]

exactly

[burnt bone]

yeah, but its still a decent distance away

[verbal vine]

Never seen one

[proud coral]

You used to be able to hear them everywhere, but broadcasts kinda broke this update

[lapis swallow]

Broadcast more like lets see who is in a radius of 100 meters

[weak dune]

Most Hypsi tend to hang around south spawn in the forest. Also, y'know, everything wants to kill them because they're squishy, so they don't get out much

They're there though lol

[verbal vine]

so what the hypsi do? how do they have fun? just sitting in forest or what?

[sage yew]

mating ;)

[weak dune]

😂

[proud coral]

Right now, it can be fun running from stuff and, more especially, messing with others by spitting at em or hopping around them

Not much else to do with it yet sadly. It's missing key features

[weak dune]

Honestly I'd say give them a shot and play them a few times. They're actually pretty fun 🙂 Expect to die a lot in center though if you go

[burnt bone]

yeah we still need stuff like perks to give more passive animals things to do

[sage yew]

i dislike hypsi so much, as I actually love it, but you can't even grow one (unless hatched ofc)

[verbal vine]

imagine playing dinosaurs game and choosing literally chicken to just be food. I think it can be good if there was ai dinos

[proud coral]

People enjoy different things 🤷

[uneven mist]

Not everyone wants to be a big bad dino

[weak dune]

I prefer the term "feather roach"

[proud coral]

Lil pheasants

[verbal vine]

there is not about big or bad really, pachi is good for example, ptero is really good too

[weak dune]

Pachi is pretty big and bad in the right hands. Ptera can fly

Apples and oranges

[sage yew]

what is so wrong with simply surviving the odds, Hipsis don't need perks to fight other stuff, the gameplay should provide the enjoyment to play it in it's own realm. Would love to play the hipsi to simply be

[burnt bone]

pachy has honey badger syndrome, it may be small, but it will still fight basically anything it can.

[weak dune]

I just wish Hypsi had more places to jump/climb on and actually use its jump, besides the occasional odd rock that omni and sometimes a really dedicated deino can also get on

[burnt bone]

gateway has some really nice rocks like that

[proud coral]

One thing it needs is that weird jump nerf to be undone when you try to jump while running....

[sage yew]

Imagine a hipsy eating junk from stegos back, that got entangled between his plates

that delicious stego moss, hmm~

[remote dock]

@fallen star I'm pretty sure raptors arent slower than deino but i could be wrong'

deino is extremely slow

[lapis swallow]

probably a hacker encounter

[burnt bone]

yeah the fastest it goes as a juvie is like 35ish kph, while omni is 45 kph

though he may have encountered a hacker

[proud coral]

Deino basking was actually mentioned a while back, but weather and temperature was said to be required before that basically.

[remote dock]

man i hate being the one to whine about server stability again but fr trying to get on this morning was so ridiculous man

almost didn't bother cause its such a pain

especially cause its like, full maps don't even feel that busy, but i can't get in cause the server doesn't know its full/queue doesnt work

[sage yew]

Basking could basically mean that you switch between traversing over land and water

if deino is cold on land = slow, but speeds up over time
if deino is warm on land = fast, but prone to overheating

if deino is cold in water = slows down over time
if deino is warm in water = you better run from it as fast as you can

being on land warms you up
being in water chills you down

body temperature could also effect metabolism
as being warm consumes faster food, but gives more stamina
and being cold consumes less food, but stamina drains faster

chilling yourself down could save you from starvation
and heating yourself up expands your abilities to hunt

[urban flax]

That's an interesting take on basking

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-yes-thats-grand-plankton-gif-24832301

[lapis swallow]

That sounds cool

[soft moat]

yeh

[fallen star]

a deino literally chased me off by just doing w+shift

[remote dock]

were you an young raptor cause otherwise that shouldnt be possible

[fallen star]

i just spawned in and some deino shift+w'd me

i wasn't adult

[sage yew]

use your agility as deinos can't turn that fast, it will catch you easy if you run straight

[fallen star]

👍

[remote dock]

yep thats why, young raptors cant outrun deinos

[fallen star]

i just became a stego and killed everything

[remote dock]

but they can outmanuever them

deinos have garbage turn radiuses

[timid marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QNEm50Ijk

[sage yew]

you can't pounce into it's face anymore, this got fixed

[uneven mist]

Wait really?

https://tenor.com/view/praise-the-sun-yes-i-did-it-proud-gif-3539504

[lapis swallow]

I think I facepounced a carno in this update

[timid marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-jake-hora-de-aventura-porque-llorando-gif-21885564

[sage yew]

<@&401466542140817419> Could be the use of memes in discussions be forbidden? What's the point of them anyway, or am I supposed to answer with My little pony clips?

[terse hornet]

That would be pretty terrible to have to moderate. Personally, I ignore memes that I don't like and move on unless they break the posting rules like no nsfw and no animals in duress.

[sage yew]

https://youtu.be/i9v-u6veoj8

[terse hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-my-little-pony-shrug-gif-16929499

[desert karma]

is someone able to explain to me how the new diet system works. how can i get a different diet if all three are filled with something else?

[burnt bone]

if they are filled, you have to wait for them to drain completely to lose them.
other than that, its just mix and match diets and see what buffs you like or don't like. Also, organs give specific diets that don't change on the animal you're eating (unless you cannibalize as a non-cannibal species, those will not give diets)

[desert karma]

how do you get to the organs?

[burnt bone]

you can either bite at the body to open it up or eat it to open it up then press g to rip out a random organ

Or if its small enough to be picked up (not dragged) you can thrash it with left click and shaking the mouse. this sends the organs all across the ground

[flint plinth]

@gilded lagoon you do realize they stop working on the isle legacy

[west agate]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[flint plinth]

yeah

[sage yew]

@proud coral What do you mean with "pseudo-first person" camera?

[real bison]

UI completely freeze for anyone else if they go into unofficial servers and hit the player filter button at the top. freezes mine like clockwork everytime.

[sage yew]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[limber hull]

awww, i missed the "small animal = bad animal" discussion :(

[burnt bone]

the one about hypsi?

[limber hull]

yea

[burnt bone]

you didnt miss much lol

[timid marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ezl0PCbL8M&t=5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kjRVtCApPk

[sage yew]

https://youtu.be/HnVWyCp5Jd4
okay? Hear me out, I know it's not a fair comparison (at all). But just look on how the environment is reacting to your presence. Dirt sticking to the hoofs and leaving embedded prints behind. Leaves bending and twisting while you strive them. Everything has this feel, of being actual physical objects and not just sprites painted on a map, to cover up the emptiness. This feel you get, when movement speeds up going down a hill, or slightly slowing down while moving up.

I'm not really interested in this game RDR2, as I've never played it, so I don't know many details or facts, but I was mesmerised as I stumbled upon this video, about all these little details, I'm completely missing in The Isle. Especially related to the Map development.

Like you know that scene, from JP2, where raptors ware approaching through the tall grass? Or that other scene (don't know which JP) where, where you saw the T-Rex presence, only by the movement of the trees?

Dang, this has some good vibes I really desire for The Isle.

[sage yew]

these are some pretty good examples on what is currently going on. Just to balance stuff out seem to be impossible without actually fixing some major aspects.

[timid marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-man-thank-you-appreciate-it-grateful-james-franco-gif-17059055

[sage yew]

No.

[burnt bone]

main issue with that is optimization, its why only certain bushes are interactable currently

[proud coral]

In the past, a first person mode has been discussed as a possibility for dinosaurs. However, it's not a "true" first person in the sense that your camera is locked to the eyes of your dinosaur since that would be very disorientating (imagine your camera wobbling constantly....) So instead, the idea is adding an almost (or pseudo) first person mode where the camera simply zooms close to your dino's eyes/face without the locking on part.

[sage yew]

I made a suggestion a while ago.
#general-feedback message
first person would not have to be this unpleasant. But I dislike the idea of having a first person view, as switching between 3rd and first is so annoying in games. Either it is first, or 3rd, but not both please.

But the camera should be detached from the body and actually follow the head movement (or vise versa). The current camera is probably a result of the ease of implementation, as using the center of the 3D model is pretty easy (and basic).

Also to have a fixed field of view, because why shouldn't you zoom out as far as possible, to not lose any advantage points. Probably even putting it closer to the body, just enough that you can get a well enough feel of your surroundings. But definitely not so far away, that the camera feels kind of detached from the playable, like it is right now. Would also give visual feedback if someone is observing you or not, while for now you can just look over hills and bushes.

[proud coral]

I mean I don't really see the harm in having first person be an option since, again, it's not really first person, it's just maximum zoom not going into the center of your body but instead in front of you. That's it 😛

[sage yew]

I'm more for a dynamic camera that allows you to better see, what your head (eyes) are actually seeing, without losing sight of your body. But considering dimensions of body structures, I totally understand if a "kind of" first person view could be the better way to go.

wait, now that I'm reading this it kinda feels like what you've had suggested... never mind

[proud coral]

[sage yew]

I have imagined it like it was in DayZ, where I hated this constant switching.

[proud coral]

Oh no that'd be irritating to have an instant back-and-forth thing. I just imagine going into first person literally just being you zooming in until the camera moves in front of your eyes 😛

[sage yew]

agree, with a nice swift mouse scroll and a good transition could it work

or maybe instead in front of eyes, slightly to the side and above of the head, depending on if you look more right or left 🤔

Deadzones would be so cool, I really want to hide under carnos tail without being noticeable as a small critter 😆

[proud coral]

The idea of deadzones is very cool indeed, but sadly that's one of those things where players can V E R Y easily loath it with every fiber in their body. I mean camera lock isn't even working properly and yet some people still just cannot stand the mere idea of it.

I remember Vis talked about them being interested in the idea of you only seeing what your dino could physically see. So if your dino was behind something and you used your camera to peek around, that raptor in the distance would be completely invisible since your dino's eyes cannot see it. Like in the game SCUM.

And of course, there were already people being like "please god no"

[sage yew]

people hate comfort features being taken away from them and during development you already get confronted with them, as presumable placeholders (like camera rotating around the center of 3D modells) give them for free

[proud coral]

Unfortunately true <:I And it's also understandable to get used to stuff like that, I just wish people would be a wee bit more open minded with stuff like this I mean it's not like it's set in stone forever if they go with it. We literally have feedback being read to thank for the entire existence of herbivores

[true haven]

not even a single one in my case...

[true haven]

i play RDR 2 just for the whole vibes of nature, it worth it, everything interactable, doors, animals, even they have interaction with each other. although i haven't really play the story mode, RDR 2 is surely the best game, couldn't get anything in the same standard after playing RDR 2 for a while, other games always feel less polished

[eager parrot]

Big facts

RDR2 God level immersion

[limber hull]

@marsh juniper fractures don't depend on probability, so you're good

it's dependent on fracture damage

[proud coral]

Very good. >:3

Makes my desire for regular occurrence fractures more reasonable 😈

Though I guess lots of people thinking it's still RNG kinda shows there's issues with fracture info being relayed to the player properly

[remote dock]

this would kill the server tho lol

rdr 2 has significantly more money then the isle so realistically. terrible idea. the already unstable servers would die

[gritty lance]

bonk

yeah certain herbis should be able to supplement their diets

especially with bones.
Like how cows, deer, moose and other animals irl will supplement their diets with bones, or even eating dirt. (and no they dont have to be defecient to do that)

idk, or maybe add a thing like gastroliths (small stones, grit, like irl birds and dinosaurs), where if certain animals injest them, they actually get a higher percentage of nutrients from food they eat after injesting them

so lets say a bite from a coconut gives you 20/100 for a nutrient, after you have gastroliths it would instead give you 40/100

[true haven]

lol, it is needed in nature based game, without it everything just look dull and lifeless plus it's 2023. so realistically there will be a better server or better implementation to reduce the strain on the server.

[eager parrot]

They also dont need to go full rdr2's level of detail

Just small things like leaves moving on most bushes and the ground moving underneath you which they have already done in the forests and is a nice touch

[true haven]

legacy did this before, a simple weave of grass and trees...

a better version would be neat

[eager parrot]

Wait I just tested it did they remove the forests springy floor

Back in update 3 when you walked in the forest the ground would compress and spring back up

[true haven]

ikr, i was wondering what is the point of removing it other than "reduce server stress"

[eager parrot]

aw mannn

They really did remove it that was one of my favorite little features

[true haven]

just hope nanite in UE5 could do some magic

[eager parrot]

If it did fix server stress it aint showing lol, still get desync with over 4 dinos fighting in one area

Whos nanite

Or what is nanite

[remote dock]

yes but lets be realistic about what game we re talking about

currently there are much bigger issues in the game then realism details

[true haven]

features in UE5 that allows dynamic effect/objects to be rendered more efficiently with less processing power needed, and much more

[remote dock]

also eu5 is still extremely harsh

[true haven]

it's not something that way out of reach. many other game devs have migrate their games over UE5 so it is indeed easier

[remote dock]

A perfect example of ue5 not being ad optimization friendly as it appears is fortnite. The new season looks amazing. Lterally amazing. Its visually brilliant thanks to lumen. It also is significantly harder on PCs then it used to be

so while yes its easy to migrate

because ue5 was made for migration

nanites optimization is murdered by lumen

lumen is gorgeous

but lumen also absolutely murders optimization

[true haven]

then just focus on nanites first, before moving onto lumen thingy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUzi3y_uvM
i mean just by looking at this video. we can see nanite improve performance by a lot. it means we doesn't have to worry the server cannot handle multiple dead body, being calculated visually 🙂

[eager parrot]

Jesus that is cool

Surely that would work for the enviromental physics we were talking about

Obviously they would most likely add a certain distance that the animation would not load in to keep fps up even more

[remote dock]

nanite optimizes lumen deoptimizes

as mentioned fn is a good example as the game actively is now more resource heavy since the introduction of nanite

[remote dock]

so no, lumen actively works against the existance of nanite

dont get me wrong lumen is gorgeous

another thing to consider is How nanite actually works

nanite lowers poly count on meshes that are further away from a point

[remote dock]

it allows high poly count on things close to the camera and low poly count on things far away

however as you can guess by the wording. thats not server side for some obvious reasons

nanite would effect your own personal render distance

the server would still be heavily bogged down by the bodies because the server isnt a set point nanite can run from

[remote dock]

this would tank the servers performance

as this is server sided. the server needs to keep up with this as it needs to reflect this across all players

if one player influences physics. all players need to see that physic effect

we have some physics already

footprints n such but something huge like trees moving

that has to be reflected to all players

meaning server sided, meaning your performance drops

its important to make the distinction on what is optimizing the server and what is optimizing the client end

lowering graphics doesnt fix the server side problem because the problem isnt the poly count. its the sheer amount

most games have things stop yk. existing in a sense when ur not looking at them. then they continue where they left off based on time passing and finished objectives based on data thats given to them. for example. u go to a village. and then leave. while ur gone the village unloads. and when u come back. the updated time values are givem to said village and it goes from there. this prevents it needing to run that code constantly

want an example of a game that doesnt do this? Security Breach. Security Breach lets multiple things run at all times. This was discovered because the map frequently unloaded

security breach in this case is the isle server

its keeping multiple values going for not just on player. but 100

id imagine there was some system in place where areas where players werent in werent actively kept loaded but even if there is. thats 100 players. all with data constantly flowing in

as a player. you dont see that lag as much. bevause your computer only has to deal with things in your area

this is most obvious in games like ark. where timers literally would stop if no one was in the area. it made smelting iron incredibly annoying as if your area unloaded, your iron wouldnt smelt. it didnt have updating values when i played

the problem with adding complexity is what you would do the already unstable servers that cant increase capacity despite everyone wanting higher capacity

1. Nanite is a rendering method. Its function is to replace meshes. this can cause problems with animations looking funky. it ends up replacing the majority of meshes

2. "Most examples features one object instanced x times, when in reality, games are usually thousands of different objects used x times.
   Nanite benefits most from sharing materials, you get 1 draw call per material being used with Nanite regardless how many different models use that material. Say an environment is made up of a dozen rocks used hundreds of times each all using one material? One draw call. Trim sheets in particular benefit from that a lot, which is how a lot of environments in games are already built"

3. nanite doesnt work well on low end computers. or more accuretly. nanite gets pissy if its not on an ssd

[eager parrot]

Thank you for this clarity

[remote dock]

all good sorry i was watching a movie earlier lol

hence delayed reply

[eager parrot]

So the optimal solution would be a mix of everything and an extra beefy server which costs hella money and is very unlikely

So basically impossinble I understand

[remote dock]

the server would need to be ridiculously strong

and given that not even blizzard can get that the isle doesnt stand a chance

[eager parrot]

Yeah and I doubt the devs have enough money to pour into that and development of all of the other game features

Kinda sucks but I'm sure they will make up for the lack in another way throughout the time of development im sure we will all be satisfied one day

[remote dock]

personally i dont mind the lack of performance heavy stuff like that

[jade sandal]

есть

[remote dock]

the more demanding a game is for a pc the more you cut off player base

[jade sandal]

русские

[remote dock]

the isle is not a big game. losing players is a very bad thing for it

[jade sandal]

help i Russa voce

[eager parrot]

Yeah me personally I love the isle for how immersive it is, but they can make up for that in game mechanics instead of graphics, enough interesting mechanics and an immersive enough world to make you forget about the small details

[remote dock]

my 3060 has some struggle with nanite in fn. cant image what would happen if the isle tried it

[jade sandal]

voice

[eager parrot]

I guess my only problem comes from the state of the game at the current moment, just needs more life and that can be solved in many way

[remote dock]

dont know how to help oop

[remote dock]

the biggest way is player capacity

spiro is huge

[eager parrot]

Yeah I wonder how much servers would be effected by a +20 or +50 capacity

[remote dock]

the only active place usually is lemon fields

[eager parrot]

Facts

Apparently the new map had some mechanics that spread players out

Like migration

[remote dock]

the thing is ppl want more fx stuff but having more players means seeing a raptor pak travelling. seeing herbi herds move

[weak dune]

Is going to*, I don't think it has it yet

[remote dock]

and hell if the land animals went anywhere but lemon fields. deinos wouldnt camp out that one shore

[eager parrot]

Once they fix the sound issues the game will be much more lifely...

That is honestly my biggest current issue

[remote dock]

absolutely this

[eager parrot]

I used to love hearing stegos and carnos roar from ages away, gave such a ominous feeling

[remote dock]

the game is too quiet rn

[eager parrot]

Truly, unless we are talking about the supersonic deino swimming audio...

[remote dock]

im just a realist man. ppl suggesting major things like tree shakes dont consider the game we re talking about or the state its in

[eager parrot]

A lot of us just have very large hopes and dreams lol

[weak dune]

The sound situation is weird right now. You can hear a deino splashing around 1,000 meters away from you but if a stego or carno stampedes right up your ass you're dead before you know its there

[eager parrot]

haha yeah

rabbits louder than carnos absolutely ridiculous

[remote dock]

ya ll wantin major things when the servers crash daily. the dino roster is barely there. the game is bugging out like crazy. isla spiro is a disaster of a map. and humans are still not in game

[eager parrot]

The main thing I have talked about wanting in this game is actually stabilty

[remote dock]

same

[eager parrot]

Like across the board stabilty for combat and servers

[remote dock]

i more meant the guy who started this conversation

[eager parrot]

That would make it so less frustrating

[remote dock]

like bro wanting major immersion when core feautures arent in

[eager parrot]

The only thing that makes me alt f4 this game or get off for the night is things completely out of my control happening over and over again

and hackers

hackers.... so bad

[remote dock]

not being able to join servers makes me not play :))

[eager parrot]

yeah lol thats just purely demotivating

Coming home from work and you cant even play your favourite game

[remote dock]

hi id like to play my deino in eu 1

oh the servers full and the queue system doesnt even work

darn

[weak dune]

the hacking situation rn is worse than red dead online 😬 At least there you can switch sessions and don't lose all your progress

[eager parrot]

servers full but not full 97/100 on main menu, ingame player count 103/100

[remote dock]

played dbd long wnough that these hackers are tolerable and thats just sad

[eager parrot]

I see on the road map they have a QOL update I wonder often what that could contain

[remote dock]

probs optimization

[eager parrot]

I have a feeling that will be a large smoothover of most game mechanics

Maybe a mix

[remote dock]

neither my tower nor my AW laptop can hold frame rate

[eager parrot]

Mmm it is unstable frame rate I have a 2080ti weirdly I will get 70fps then go right down to 40 for maybe a minute then back to 70

I wonder if it is possibly because of players fighting or other player actions in the server

[remote dock]

Alienware laptop that i set low purely to try to keep the game more consistant

[eager parrot]

I also have a 4k monitor keep in mind so that uses a lot of power playing game in 4k

[remote dock]

has massive frame drkps

[eager parrot]

I must say though

Compared to update 3/4 when I last played

Atleast I am not constantly on 40/50 fps

[remote dock]

triggered a time out lol

this servers gonna fix my cursing problem at this rate

anyways as i was saying

[remote dock]

i might have my updates mixed but wasnt that the one were they messed up geforce and it broke everything?

cause they put more anti cheat stuff in but inadvertantly killed geforce from working

[eager parrot]

Maybe idk I remember it being really laggy but I still had fun haha

Like it was unrealistically alggy so that was probably the one

The game was quite balanced back then if I remember correctly

I mainly played Utah and each dino I had to fight you would apply a different strategy

[remote dock]

idk all i know is my laptop with 32 gb ram. a 3060 gpu. and 4 tb ssd raid 0 struggles eith this game when i lock it to 30 fps for stability

[eager parrot]

and when I played carno it was nice and balanced but I remember people saying teno was op when it came out

[remote dock]

for what i have in my machine my frames shouldnt drop to 5

i also lock to 30 cause 60 bothers my eyes cause i have some vision problems eh

[eager parrot]

I just lock to 70 seems to work nicely for me

[remote dock]

just a vision thing for me

[eager parrot]

I feel like we need more globally dispersed admins in different timezones

[remote dock]

but also it seems to have less frame rate drops at 30

[eager parrot]

There are certain deadzones where there is no moderator support

[remote dock]

funding plus i dont think there keen on bringing outsiders im given the situation that happened to there code

[eager parrot]

In game administrators

[remote dock]

those can still cause problems

[eager parrot]

I applied for a position I thought as a newzealand the times I am on could be very valuable

[remote dock]

cough admin abuse cough

[eager parrot]

I mean yeah

I feel like there is a big chance when accepting players from the community as admins

Because you really can just lie on the form

[remote dock]

still

one bad admin can gibe a lot of players a very nad day

[eager parrot]

But there is some people who I know that I think would make genuinely good fair admins

[remote dock]

and thats really bad for reputation

[eager parrot]

Very true

[remote dock]

especially for a game thats reputation teeter totters due to slow devolpment

[eager parrot]

I wonder how they could select a proper admin witht he correct attributes and attitude

Maybe have voice call interviews less easy to lie

[remote dock]

still

[eager parrot]

Yeah

[remote dock]

i think its just a hard thing to deal with an a risk they might not be willing to take

[eager parrot]

Impossible situation to make the 100% correct choice because its human beings you cant mind read someone

[remote dock]

there reputation with there own community isnt exactly

[eager parrot]

haha yeah the past indeeed...

[remote dock]

glowing

i got downvoted on reddit purely for saying ppl shouldnt be so negatibe about the devs

[eager parrot]

They seem to have moved on from most of the old hate though

[remote dock]

def no

[eager parrot]

Maybe I just see less

[remote dock]

probs

ive seen it recently

[eager parrot]

I think it was 2017 when I first played the isle instead of watching youtube and I remember in 2019 the hate was unreal

I cant remember what they did but the whole community was upset

I have played this game in long intervals so I play for like a year then leave for a year

But evrima has kept me around

Given me new hope

[remote dock]

ppl r angry about beipi cause they say its the next dryo. angry about troodon for the same reason. angry that gateways coming out and not more dinosaurs (despite isla spiro being reallt bad). angry that thinggs take long

[eager parrot]

ppl will always be angry about something

The majority is what you need to please thats why its good to do polls

then give the minority a little of what they want

I honestly like the look of beipi

[remote dock]

honestly. its sstupid hate for the most part. devs are trying. they try to communicate with ppl. try to keep everyone uo to date. and ppl who dont know a thing about devolping a game get angry cause they can

[eager parrot]

and my favourite dinos are the small ones then you get the vice versa of TREX TREX GIGA GIGA

[remote dock]

i saw someone compare the game to halo 1 because "halo 1 released in a year from the ground up" as if the two were even remotely comparable

[eager parrot]

hahahah

Yeah cause the isle devs are bungee

[remote dock]

and then someone else said that the devs needed to focus on one thing instead of working on multiple projects

[eager parrot]

Some people are young, dont understand the availability of resources

[remote dock]

which screams "i dont know how devolpment works"

because why on earth would the map guy work on animations

and also theres an order to how things are done

you cant work on the animations til u get the model. cant work on the sound until you have all the other parts and reallt have a feel for what your dealing with. cant do lightning until tou habe the models

but ppl seemingly dont get that

[eager parrot]

Yep

[remote dock]

plus ppl complain avout all the human stuff models in the devlogs

[eager parrot]

It all takes time sometimes there are handicaps because of 1 persons skill level

[remote dock]

EVEN THOUGH we know those are fore gateway

[eager parrot]

But thats just how it is all people are different cant have a perfect development squad

I like the human stuff

Very interesting concept

[remote dock]

plus ppl just. ignore what happened to fosvor

like dude give the devs a break they lost there lead programmer

[eager parrot]

Wth

When did that happen I was not here

I didnt even realise that must be why the updates are taking a few more months

[remote dock]

april 30

[remote dock]

exactly

[eager parrot]

Ah early last year

I wasnt around then but I did notice the updates release time extending I was still following the game tbh that really sucks

[remote dock]

so many ppl complaining about updates and not one can take into considerstion that a small team was grieving AND had to replace the LEAD programmer

makes me angry tbh

[eager parrot]

That would put a lot of stress on the rest of the team with what you jsut mentioned, uninformed people expecting the same content being delivered at the same pace

[remote dock]

cause its so unempathetic

[eager parrot]

Im gonna jump off for the night I got work tomorrow

[remote dock]

nice chattin with ya

[eager parrot]

Was an enlightening chat I enjoyed it you have a good night

[remote dock]

good luck at wrk and have a good night

[eager parrot]

laters brother

[true haven]

It doesn’t make any sense that nanites requires lumen to works, it is completely different type of stuff, lumen = lighting, Nanites = geometry.

[remote dock]

never said it did but its rhe promary reason for adding it

as lumen needs nanite

also read on

[remote dock]

you ll see i discussed in depth that nanite is overall not as helpful as its made out to be and any benefit from it would be purely client side and wouldnt fix the actual issue being what i said. it would murder the already struggling servers

nanite is not server side

its client side

its a rendering process. therefore based on what ur seeing in screen

and it also is known foe not working well on normal hard drives

nanite needs a ssd to run properly. so ppl overhype just how performance enhancing it really is

all it does is make it so that close models have more polys then far models instead of doing some standardized cap across the bored and mesh switch outs ect

the process of which consumes memory

depending on what is being processed this isnt as beneficial as its shown to be

multiple of the same model? thats easy

but multiple different models needing multiple remeshes in milliseconds. thats a bigger problem

plus nanite omly really works on non deforming mesh. so things that are animated like dinosaurs dont get aling with the process

[remote dock]

considering the fact that nanite is only gonna make a difference if you have something that can do that process. the only other reason to add it is lumen and lumen needs nanite. which as mentioned. defeats the purpose

nanite is situational

and i will say. yet again. fortnite just made the move. and it proved that nanite does put a strain on a computer. i played it b4 and after this recent update. the game is significantly more taxing on pcs since the move

and i will admit this is probably in part due to the whole. ue5 not actuakly being finished and therefore not exactly the most error freee thing

its like 3 am so if i disappeared its cuz im bored texting rn n fell asleep

[true haven]

wait, i was just confused since you mentioned many times that lumen needs nanite , in paper it should be working separately, you can choose either of both

[true haven]

ahh okay, goodnight

[remote dock]

so heres the thing

in theory they can work seperately

but lumen is an actual monster to your pc so using it without nanite is just a bad idea

[remote dock]

lumen benefits from nanites prescence because less polygons = less variety in the light

so if we re being technical need is the wrong word yes

but thats if we ignore that lumen is a monster to gpu and any amount of lowered chaos the gpu has to put up with the better

[true haven]

i don't think using nanite as a standalone is a bad idea, lumen is like an epic games version of ray tracing so it surely demand more power

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/unreal-engine-5-1-released/691237
also based on the forum

[remote dock]

nanite wouldnt make a difference

[remote dock]

here this forum

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/nanite-performance/660358

scroll down to ZacD post

it explains it

[remote dock]

also lumen is imo way better than raytracing which is exactly why its a monster

lumen allows for live updates similisr to raytracingg yada yada details

also

nanite is still

client side

aka not fixing the server issue

[true haven]

Nanite has also been updated with a Programmable Rasterizer to allow for material-driven animations and deformations via World Position Offset, as well as opacity masks.
based on this statements in theory we can have nanite in multiplayer environment. isnt

[remote dock]

client side remember

none of this helps the server

server doesnt care how things look

server csres about keeping track of things

server doesnt give a hoot about poly count because its only interested in stuff like. player is at x y z location

bodt idecay at this percent

ect

[remote dock]

and again fortnite so yes lol

the game has lumen and nanite

[true haven]

well fortnite want to show it off haha

they won't bother separarting things

[remote dock]

you can

[true haven]

but u do notice they have comparison in View Distance right ?

so in theory it works in multiplayer games...

[remote dock]

u need nanite for fortnite tho and that is 100 percent because you turn it on and it drops ur gpu

but u can run just nanite if u want in fortnite

just not lumen. again. thats definitly to prevent lumen breaking things

also again. servers dont care. this is client side

let me put it this way

as a player ur computer only deals with the things im ur area

the server on the other hand desls with all 100 players data

all at once

all the time

the thing killing the server right now is decay

decay got added and the servers started breaking more

why? because it was no long keeping track of just a percent of eaten and time to despawn

now the thing had to deal with what organs. the state of the body. what scent range to apply when. a scent range value that changes. ect

now x that by every corpse on the map

nanite doesnt fix that

bevause nanite is mesh not complexity of dara

so then we go to the moving tree arguement

aka the reason nanite was brought up

u seriously want to add to the load the server deals with by now asking it to keep track of what trees are being affected where?

im not worried about client side as much as i am server side. because jesus the servers are struggling

also to clarify

this is because the servers entire job is to keep everyone on the same page

obviously rendering can have some effect in terms of xyz locations but not in a way nanite fixes

it just occured to me that the isle runs crappy from a server and now im scared of what a singleplayer would look like

just a lil tid bit

servers handle logic. not visusls. lag from servers is your computer failing to tslk to the server. hence why some interesting things happen when the isle servers go down

cause the code spaghettis in on itself right before a crash

[true haven]

if i may to sum it up

• nanite only helps with view distance, which is why it won't help server performance
• server are receiving too many data since update 6 of gore (decay) being added
• the current partitioning of the server lead to a performance drop known as (Old tile hitch) when entering hotspot area with lots of thing happening
• Server performance will resulted in low fps to everyone

[remote dock]

lol my favourite is the fish just ignoring hitboxes and swimming through things

[true haven]

yeah it happens when the server is going to crash 🙂

[remote dock]

yes

this,
thats why nanite does nothing

nanite doesnt fix the very real issue with the servers rn

only way to fix the servers is to upgrade them or improve the code to be more streamline

the less spaghetti the code the better

for example if else statements vs switch cases

[true haven]

i remembered they promised that few years prior to the first evrima development which around 2 years ago

[remote dock]

havign a string of if else statements is bad because it first as to go through all the falses. taking time away from processing other data

[remote dock]

fosvor died so i dont blame it for getting delayed

[true haven]

Rest in Piece 😦

[remote dock]

i refuse to be hard on the devs they lost there lead

amd i get genuinely annoyed when ppl act like that isnt a very real reason the game stalled out

anyways just to close are lil discussion

nanite unfortunetly doesnt even fix view distance fully due to it requiring an ssd to not make computers very unhappy

my tower has a hard drive and my laptop has raid 0 ssd. the tower has a hard drive cause im an artist so ssds wrent exactly big enough for me to work on without leaving my price range. can confirm that nanite really doesnt like hwrd drives

im guessing its because of how wuickly it needs to access temporary texture caches

anywayd im gonna disappear now lol

nice chattin with ya but it is terribly late

[true haven]

yeah you better sleep, gn

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr and rex is important for what?

[dense hull]

@lapis swallow i mean he may have a point the steam discussion thread is 11 pages of people roasting this game

[barren zephyr]

When i say b4 this game adds rexes i also mean b4 they start adding another medium size large size dinosaurs…

[lapis swallow]

What is medium size for you?

[barren zephyr]

What type of question is that we havent gotten a good playable for a while now

Idek what ur trying to say what medium size is good for me

It benefits the playerbase

More fameplay

Troodon is cool and all but i doubt it wont last 2 weeks b4 everybody goes to the usuals

[lapis swallow]

Which playables would you count as medium sized?

[barren zephyr]

Allos, ceratos, diablo, parasaur

[lapis swallow]

Dibble is gonna be one of the next few playables to be added

[barren zephyr]

Scratch parasaur hes large but in legacy allo can take it down with packs and if ur good enough

[lapis swallow]

Cera is one of the next three

[dense hull]

when?

[barren zephyr]

I wonder when will that be hmm

[limber hull]

cerato is smaller than carno, so

[barren zephyr]

It doesnt matter if its smaller its medium size still its not utah size

[lapis swallow]

Its one of 7 playables that are being worked on rn, if I remember correctly

[barren zephyr]

Hes a scavenger meant to bully competitors..

[limber hull]

he's like, pseudo-mid

[dense hull]

when is it being released tho

[lapis swallow]

We dont know

[limber hull]

dont base balance on legacy

[lapis swallow]

Legacy balance was even worse than the current balance we have in evrima

[dense hull]

i mean in evrima u have two real choices

[barren zephyr]

And so is rex he was worked on but tlike the developers said they cant really add it in

At any given moment they can work on any dinosaur but it requires

Balance and unique gameplay, mechanic

Like troodon with its venom

Or beipei underwater foliage for it to feast on

[barren zephyr]

sounds pretty balanced to me a pack of neck grabbing arm slashing allos can surely take doen a para

[limber hull]

okay but a single allo killing para

kinda stupid

[barren zephyr]

I said legacy allo with a pack

[limber hull]

packs barely matter in legacy lol, you can do anything a pack can do solo, as long as you can tailride

[dense hull]

really so u can beat a pack solo \

[limber hull]

probably, given i'm one of the absurdly ridiculous animals like rex or giga lol

[barren zephyr]

Only applies to the few that are actually try hard goods your still prompt to making mistakes

[limber hull]

a maia can turn packs of utahs into toothpaste

[true haven]

lol

[lapis swallow]

You really despise legacy, do you? Lol

[limber hull]

yea, i really do

[lucid mauve]

lol he does, i never had problem with tail raiding in legacy aslong as i understood the terrain

[lapis swallow]

Understandable

[barren zephyr]

Its been like 5 months for gore to come in and blood still dont appear in foliage when bleeding or corpses at all 😔

[lucid mauve]

Its hard to balance something without any abilites etc, it was good balance for what they had to work with

[limber hull]

it's literally such a garbage game, balance and combat system. I have tried every animal, and EVRIMA has it beat in every department. More animals isn't an argument for why legacy is better if every animal plays exactly the same

[barren zephyr]

And they said itll make u vomit

[dense hull]

but you have only two real options

for over a year

[lapis swallow]

Huh?

[limber hull]

not really, no. Cera and pachy were still trash, while the apex carnis consistently dominate

[lapis swallow]

Elaborate, laugh

[dense hull]

corc or steg u play anything else ur a walking dead potato almost

[lapis swallow]

Laughs in ptera, carno and pachy

[dense hull]

great a bird that i can 1 shot with either

[lucid mauve]

Dominate how? you couldt just kill em as solo utah ? If you died to a rex, u either didnt pay attention or you wanted the fight. Unless trike or shant

Cera was trash, thats true lol

[barren zephyr]

Just for clarification cera will have a neck latch type abllity?

[limber hull]

the fact that the only way rexes and gigas could be killed was due to an oversight, and so many people outlawed alt-turn because it literally broke the only way these animals were even killable

[lapis swallow]

Some playables are not built around fighting

[dense hull]

carno is just as bad instant death vs a steg almost

[lucid mauve]

Even tho full grown juvi cera was insane !

[limber hull]

are... are you serious

[uneven mist]

we dont really know yet, its a debate if it will have a septic bite, latch or anything else

[barren zephyr]

Easily can lill a utah

[limber hull]

there's no way you're for real

[uneven mist]

bruh

[lapis swallow]

Carno just wont attack stegos. This is no battle royale, you can just leave others alone

[barren zephyr]

Idek how theyll pull it off when they do add that mechanic

[limber hull]

do you seriously run headfirst into stegos, die and then complain that everything is underpowered

because that is funny

[uneven mist]

weak herbivore fodder mindsett

[barren zephyr]

Its a carno not everything can kill something

[dense hull]

no iv watched stegs run head first into a full grown carno and two tap him

[barren zephyr]

U have rhe option to kill juvies

[limber hull]

and

the carno didn't do ANYTHING to stop it

[barren zephyr]

Or run

[lapis swallow]

No issue with it

[limber hull]

the animal that can run at 55km/hr couldn't figure out a way to get away from the animal that runs at half its speed

[lucid mauve]

Nah, rexes was "easy" kill with dilos. I mean playing in a pack as dilos/utahs/allos we prob killed more in 2 hours gameplay then i did with my rex for 1 week

[barren zephyr]

Make sense with that thagomized

[dense hull]

gonna have to ask them iv just seen it and know that directional damage didnt play a factor in his two shot especially facing forwards

[limber hull]

because tailriding exists. Turn on alt-turn, these animals are gods

[lapis swallow]

Unless the stego is a child, then the stego wins

[lucid mauve]

Thats true, alt turn was bulls. Tried it once, and never again.

[limber hull]

alt-turn was a better designed movement system, but legacy's combat was so awfully flawed, that the entire balance crumbled with its presence

[dense hull]

stego also can beat full grown crocs while facing them head on

[limber hull]

which is a hysterical reflection of how terrible it really was

[uneven mist]

good, should be the case

[lapis swallow]

Yes, that is fine

[barren zephyr]

I still thin stegos shouldnt be able cross rivers without deinos dragging them

[dense hull]

lol yall are stego players

[barren zephyr]

U weight less in water

[lapis swallow]

No, I am not

[uneven mist]

deino is a punch down animal, its should ofc loose against stego

[limber hull]

the fact that the only thing that made rexes killable was no real designed system, but rather an oversight from their movement system really shows how bad legacy really was

[uneven mist]

lol no, epic comeback

[dense hull]

deino had the same bite force of a rex

[lapis swallow]

I main omno and ptera (to bully carnos)

[lapis swallow]

And?

[limber hull]

disagreement = mains the animal i dislike

[lapis swallow]

Balance still exists

[limber hull]

checkmate

[uneven mist]

so? balance exist and if you are speaking of realism a stego would aslo 1 shot a deino

[dense hull]

^ never would happen

[lapis swallow]

Average general/balance feedback complainer

[barren zephyr]

Reality deino with biteforce so immense can 1 shot stego small head while its drinking but still this a game

[lucid mauve]

We killed rexes as utahs/dilos/allos etc, it was not easy. But very doable. And i loved it, i would rather have that balance that people can tryhard and go 10 allos and slaughter half the server.

[uneven mist]

yeah never would happen irl becasue those animals didnt live with each other but that thagomizer through the head would kill a deino

[limber hull]

it was terribly designed though. It was an entirely unengaging combat experience for the rex, their entire counterplay is hoping the attacker messes up. It's genuinely unfun to die in such a fashion, and this is very much due to the fact that the movement was awful, and the rexes and gigas were so OP, you had to cheese the hell out of them to avoid getting oneshot

[lucid mauve]

I dont feel so, i never had problem with rex or gigas aslong i paid attention. If a rex spent 15 min getting close to me without me seeing him, he deserves it. Apexes are supose to hunt mid tiers, not be afraid of them cus they are to many. That would be horrible.

[limber hull]

That's not the point I'm making

The point I'm making is that legacy encourages the least fun style of combat, cheesing out a flaw in the game's design to make your opponent near incapable of defending themselves

The fact that a single utah, that dies in one hit to a rex, can literally kill one without even taking said hit, is pretty indicative of how bad it is

And it's not something the devs intended, either

It's entirely an emergent strategy from the flawed turn system

Hence why they added alt-turn, to "fix" it, however, doing so exposed how legitimately overtuned these apex animals actually were the moment you removed the cheese strat

[lucid mauve]

Ahh , i see your point.

[limber hull]

Without the unintentional achilleas heel, these animals were stupidly broken

And with it, their combat was some of the least fun one could have playing the game

[lucid mauve]

What you mean, utah should ofcourse die to a hit from a rex ? And the utah would needs tons of hit to kill it. I dont see any problem with that tho

[limber hull]

the problem is the single utah can avoid the one hit from the rex long enough to land the tons of hits to kill it with basically zero risk or help, the moment they learn how

[weak dune]

The guaranteed death if you were on the left side of a rex because it had a broken hitbox on one side was also pretty awful

[lucid mauve]

True, but i never died to a single utah and never did i manage to kill a rex as utah solo. For me that was so hard to pull off

[limber hull]

(also stupid)

[weak dune]

To my knowledge, it was never fixed

[limber hull]

it's still in

[weak dune]

The fact that you had to know it had a broken hitbox for its bite but only on one side and you could wreck them if you could stay on their right side most of the fight and that was a legit known exploit strategy is pretty bonkers tbh

Most games will ban you for using exploits but bite box exploit on legacy was practically meta 😂

[lucid mauve]

Thats why you adapt : P

Biggest problem i had in legacy was dilos, that bleed was intense

[weak dune]

dilos were the worst

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but still not sure what to take from it. I mean every single omni in evrima can kill every stego, if they dont do a mistake sorta

If i kill one stego as omni, doesent mean im gonna be killing the next one and so on. They can have completely diffrent skill/playstyle from eachothers.

[sage yew]

The interpretation of messing up performance by any new additions, is already flawed. There is just a lot of more to be done before, to make it feasible and does not make any new content a bad idea

[tawdry oyster]

Actually I was able to take one out on my own

[wintry mica]

oi

[frosty rock]

I am just super happy of this gore system and ability to customise eye colors. ❤️

[ancient kestrel]

How stubborn you are in your conservatism.
It looks so sad

[limber hull]

consider the fact people LIKE the current model and are not obliged to conform to your viewpoints because you said so

an accurate utahraptor is being added, it will be fluffy, feathery and more

let people have their skinwrapped reptile JP raptor

[cyan flame]

Also omni is meant to be a JP raptor, simple as that

[limber hull]

omniraptor has an iconic design, JP-related or not, it's here to stay

[ancient kestrel]

I know that omni is fictional. But i see the conflict between JP-like cretures in game and others (design-wise)

[limber hull]

then you'll love utahraptor

all of the realistic raptor one could hope for

[limber hull]

that's kind of the idea

these animals can vary from a melting pot of random genetics to an accurate recreation in lore

[lapis swallow]

You know what some of the main points were for me to buy the isle? I am able to play as a JP raptor

[limber hull]

true lol

[lapis swallow]

JP raptor for the win

[ancient kestrel]

May be. But looks kinda weird - like some creatures from different worlds that can't exist in one world at the same time
Also compy and galli have the same issue

[lapis swallow]

You know what? I dont care that it looks weird. Its JP raptor and I am happy with that

[limber hull]

i mean... that's the thing though, these animals aren't real, they're all engineered by humans

[ancient kestrel]

You can hate me but first creature that was attract me to this game -- allo (in his final legacy design)

[lapis swallow]

I wont hate you for that, everybody has a different playable that was their reason to start playing the isle

[tepid gate]

Dude, feathered and not feathered animals being in the game is least of our worries. We have some very accurate dinosaurs like Carno or Allo right next to freaking digimon and Pokemon - Charmeleon I choose you, go Agumon!

[ancient kestrel]

Oh yeah. Chonky acro is just bad)))

[tepid gate]

That Acro is just bad, it's not even about it being chonky, its proportions are just atrocious

[ancient kestrel]

Main issue -- his neck

[tepid gate]

I've seen an actual Acro skeletal by Franoys put on top of it, the concept Acro ends up twice as tall at length parity

[ancient kestrel]

Also cartoonish Austro concept is bad too

[tall hearth]

It looks alright to me.

[ancient kestrel]

And nothing wrong with monolophosaurus in terms how he looks by himself... but why?

[icy lion]

@young hornet You can apply to be a mod using the form in #rules-and-info

[icy lion]

Because this is a sci-fi game and the dinos were created by people in the lore

Also, I'd like to have fun different abilities to use in a game

Vs "it can bite in a few different ways because that's all we knew about it"

[tall hearth]

Fun gameplay opportunities. Why else would they make it?

[ancient kestrel]

I know but his ability looks just like weird idea in game where you can track something by footprints and bloodtrails.

It seems to me that this ability is not enough to make it's viable

[tall hearth]

It's good for when you dont know where something is beforehand though. If you're nesting and you and your group memebr(s) spray around the nesting area, you'll get a heads up if something is attempting to stalk you and walks through the goo. You'll smell it before it even knows where you are, and have time to flee

[urban flax]

Bruh you don't know its stats

[tall hearth]

Viability isnt just how well things do in a 1v1 setting, you know that right? It's about how well you're able to survive with your dino. Idk how you dont see the viability of an early warning system and great tracking ability

[sand lantern]

The model looks alot better than that

[ancient kestrel]

Ok, in other words. Is he really necessary when omni, dilo, rugops exists?

[urban flax]

Do we really need allo when rex exists ?

[ancient kestrel]

I would be so happy to see as many dinosaurs in the game as possible, but I see problems with the balance of so many creatures in one game and on one server

[urban flax]

And that's why mono was given a unique ability and not just different stats

[lapis swallow]

Mono could be a demon to sneaky stuff like dryo (once its actually useful)

[ancient kestrel]

It's not about who is stronger, it's just about the oversaturation of predators in the same weight category

[tawdry oyster]

I think that can be sorted out, but it will probably take a while

[tawdry oyster]

Yes

[urban flax]

They're not in the same weight category
Mono is around 100 kg (I think ?) Omni is 450 and dilo will probably be 700

[ancient kestrel]

no - 475 kg

[lapis swallow]

Mono looks 150 kg ish to me

[lapis swallow]

Which one?

[ancient kestrel]

https://isle.fandom.com/wiki/Monolophosaurus?so=search

[urban flax]

And as herbis in that same weight category, you have dryo, proto, ava, oro, taco, galli, homalo, beipi and minmi

[urban flax]

Bad source

Legacy utah was 1000 kg

[lapis swallow]

Isle wiki is highly unreliable

Outdated af n stuff

[urban flax]

Oh and there's Gen 1 and Gen 2 as well
Two entire factions

[ancient kestrel]

Ok, but i can't see any other sources except that and almighty-god-blessed wikipedia

[ancient kestrel]

Too much small herbis is cancer too

And much more

[urban flax]

They're around human-sized, so in my opinion, all of these are in the optimal size range to ensure the most interaction between players

[lapis swallow]

@tawdry oyster you just gotta learn how the tracks look like and you can do that

[urban flax]

Also in an ecosystem, you normally need a lot more small than big creatures
If we can't have them in numbers, at least we can have it in variety

[tawdry oyster]

I never said I don’t know the tracks, I just said it’d be useful

[ancient kestrel]

Aso minmi is just use design of other dinosaur - it is fun for me

[lapis swallow]

But its literally already in the game

[tawdry oyster]

Plus idk if you can determine if you’re tracking a carno or an allo once they add more dinos in the game

[tawdry oyster]

It is?

[lapis swallow]

The size of the tracks

[urban flax]

Kunbarrasaurus I guess ? Did you know we have no minmi head material, and the only thing we have of kunbarrasaurus is a head ?

[ancient kestrel]

I think a lot of that creatures should be just AI. No one will want to play as a snack lol

[tawdry oyster]

Yeah, not everyone could determine that

[urban flax]

They're not a snack if they're all in the same size range...

[lapis swallow]

You will atleast roughly know what you are tracking

[ancient kestrel]

Taco and homalo is a snacks - change my mind

[tawdry oyster]

I mean it’s just a suggestion, it doesn’t have to be in the game

[urban flax]

They aren't

[glad turret]

@queen ember yes ofc this means the game must be doing well. I'm glad it's doing well. Maybe it's time to scale up and eventually add more servers. This would make joining one less of a struggle

[lapis swallow]

They need the right biomes

[ancient kestrel]

Ok. What they can do? Borrow, and homalo can do pachy things but much weaker. How interesting it will be for players?

[urban flax]

Taco will have venomous quills
||I can say this with as much confidence as you when you say homalo ill be a weaker pachy||

[lapis swallow]

Let me bury up the mountain suggestion me and some other guys have worked a few months ago

[urban flax]

You mean dig up ?

[lapis swallow]

Yes, but I cant find it

Adding on to this, some creatures to populate this biome could be taco, homa, oro, proto and hypsie for the herbivores. Herra, velo, mono, mega(sometimes), utah(sometimes), troodon(sometimes) for carnivores and then ovi for the omni. Keep in mind that almost all dinos will most likely have 2 or more biomes to live in so this wont fully replace any.

Note: "(sometimes)" means occasionally pass through to eat or hunt there as juvies.
Thanks to Warden and Dinohappen for helping me with this

There we go

A cliffside/mountain biome that in populated by small tiers

[remote dock]

how is it flawed

im not saying any new content im talking about stuff that is purely there for immersion

core features are not inplemented and the game is actively struggling

new content equal new code for the server to handle. a server that is under way to much stress already. we dont need more immersion we need a higher capacity server

its not an interpretation. thats how code works. more stuff equals lower performance because the workload goes up

you cant compare rdr2 to the isle. they cannot afford the server neccessary to run that. realistically. ever.

[pastel beacon]

Alright, I didn't think this needed to be said, but there is a serious problem with hackers. Every fricking day. EVERY DAY. NA-1. It's always a carno or a stego coming in and killing people. Also, every day, there's is no reply from an admin or they come way too late. I get it, everyone is a volunteer. I understand that. There's a very simple solution. Get more admins. Problem with that is, idk who is 'hiring' but they refuse everyone who applies unless they have ludicrous pre-requisite experience. I have applied. A month or two ago. Not even a notification of denial. A friend of mine with good admin experience, denied because 'they're looking for someone with particular abilities.' What? What particular abilities? The ability to not be available when people need it? The people trying to apply aren't doing it because they want to sneak in a grow on an official server. They want to literally ban hackers and un-stuck people! How is is that there needs to be a ridiculous pre-requisite for that? How about a trial admin position? How about a moderator with less 'admin' capabilities? There are a ton of people trying to make this game and this community better and we all keep getting shut down. We, as a community, generally don't ask for a lot. Sure, there's grumblings about the development speed, but anyone who actively follows development and what's happening knows it's a lot of work going on behind the scenes. The only true thing the community asks for is to be able to play the game. There are two main reasons a player needs an admin. 1. They got stuck. 2. There's a hacker. I said this in a post a month or so earlier and got a response from an admin that TLDR's to "We DO need help, you should apply." Yet, nobody that applies gets accepted. Can we please get some resolution for this? Please? All I want is to play the game I spent money on without getting killed by a cheater. It's especially aggravating when I know that, despite being killed by a cheater, I need to regrow my dinosaur since there are no re-grows for some reason. Hours just gone. \rant

[burnt bone]

Don’t you dared diss my boy

Or any of the smalls, there are plenty of things they can do to make them viable.

[remote dock]

i theorized last nighy that lack of admins is due to what happened when the games code got trashed

think there hesistant to bring in someome who becomes an admin abuse risk

[lapis swallow]

But you need admins or else hackers will have free reign

[lapis swallow]

Can you elaborate why?

[pastel beacon]

@remote dock Unfortunately that's a risk you have to chance sometimes. How about an interview? Maybe a TRIAL-ADMIN. Someone monitors them for a month or two, a little sheet that puts all commands you've used? It's not hard to figure out admin abuse or how to fix it.

[icy lion]

The trial period is being a Discord admin, as that's the first step to becoming a server admin

[remote dock]

so slow process lol i prefer slow to rushed tbf

[remote dock]

games code got trashed at one point. a bad admin can become an admin abuse situation and harm this games reputation more

the process being slow makes sense

[icy lion]

I don't see what that has to do with adminship

Admins and devs are completely separate

We don't touch code whatsoever

[remote dock]

trust i mean

[pastel beacon]

How long have you been an discord admin?

[remote dock]

obviously y3ah not related directly

[icy lion]

Yea I was about to say, it kinda clicked

[burnt bone]

Taco could have something with its quills, or it could have some of the most intensive burrowing mechanics. Like being able to have a modular system to make your own design for your burrow, maybe even stuff like growing mushrooms in it.

Homalo could also go full on mountain goat with its abilities, having abilities that allow it to parkour up rocks easily and maybe even able to burrow into rocks.

Those are just some ideas, there are plenty of other ways to make each of them unique, fun, and viable.

[icy lion]

Almost 2 years, I haven't applied to be a server admin

[remote dock]

im saying they got burned bad once so why rush to get admins that could chase ppl off servers by abusing powers. id that makes sense

idk it was a theory lol

[lapis swallow]

I honestly think that there should be pure server admins. The discord seems to be well under control but the official servers arent. Just like cloudfire said, there are huge hacker problems rn and more server admins would help (not fix it tho). I dont know how things are handled internally but I fully believe some people just want to help players on the official servers.

And trial admin for officials only could help

[ancient kestrel]

This is real minmi dude. Ingame minmi use look of other dinosaur that i can't normally find

[burnt bone]

And I love it’s stylized look, makes it much more interesting.

The real troo doesn’t exist, and real dilo didn’t have venom. Adding a bit more onto the animal makes it much more interesting rather than X Dino…but different face shape

[icy lion]

That is.... well it definitely isn't the best minmi reconstruction I've seen

[ancient kestrel]

It use look of other dinosaur that mentioned here. Why they just can't use other name for minmi (26:19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sjf7Ev-o9s

[icy lion]

Because they don't want to

[lapis swallow]

Bro put the austro design in D-Tier

Do not trust him

[remote dock]

but re explain. again. why what ur saying doesnt work. The suggestion invovles logic. Its not just a visual thing. Its logic. logic to code being stuff like. player at xyz. The server doesnt care about visuals. thats why the arguement about nanite didnt apply. because the server isnt beung bigged down by visuals its being affected by workload. When you play the game. The game only has to deal with your own surroundings at any given time. If this game had a singleplayer. what you suggestes would be good. But the game is predominantly multiplayer. Now your own computer doesnt deal with the logic. Why? Bevause the server deals eith it. It deals with it to keep it universal across the board and be yk a server. However, this also means it has to keep track of not 1 players code alottment. but 100. Thats everything from nearby corpses to trees to scent. you name it. Start adding stuff like trees moving cause a big boy going through? guess what, all of that gets dumped on the server. And heres the thing, you can optimize the game as much sd you like. if you dont have a functioming server. lag and fps will destroy the game. And no. it is not as easy as get bigger servers. people havr been begging for higher capacity. Servers are expensive. Very expensive. Not even blizzard could get a decent server for the launch of OW 2. Epics servers constantly run into issues. And those are just two big name companies. New content when half the dino roster isnt implemented. Migration isnt implemented. Isla Spiro is a disaster and we need gateway. Humans arent implemented and have never been implemented. Is short sighted. The gore update is destroying the servers. Suddenly thet have to keep track of way more then just dead body here this % eaten x amount of time to despawn. Now it has to keep track of what organs are inside still, how rotten the corpse is. the changing scent value ect. and it does that. for every corpse. across the entire map. If current planned features are making things worse, how will the server fair with new content. The only way they can even begin to test your suggestion is with the game in a finished state with all core features and playables implemted. As your suggestion is a server load nightmare

hope that explaims it better

god thats my third time explaining the difference between client side vs server side optimization

[ancient kestrel]

Anyway in-game minmi - is just kunbarrasaurus

[lapis swallow]

The FPS have gotten better, the server performance got worse

[lapis swallow]

But Minmi sounds cuter

[burnt bone]

Minmi sounds nice probably, and they’re similar animals anyway

[remote dock]

yep, its because of what i explained above. its the corpses

corpses added a lot of data to the swrver workload

[burnt bone]

It helps with minmi’s identity of the cute little guy… that acts as a foil to the gore and death that may befall it or those around it.

[tawdry oyster]

Performance is def better now, but whenever I am at center or north, the performance is terrible

Don’t know why it’s a thing

[remote dock]

its cause ppl r there

high activity

when the serbers performance goes down so does yours

bevause the server does your logic for you

[tawdry oyster]

It’s not cause of people, I’ve been south with a lot of players and the performance was fine

[tawdry oyster]

Oh

[remote dock]

unknown values its not just players

a.i does it too

think of it this way

[remote dock]

the server has a hotspot on the map. so it has to update all of the values for where everyhing is moving and then send said values back out to everyone else. these can be a.i corpses and other misc things it still keeps track of. including a.i u might not see depending on species such as fish

make sense?

[tawdry oyster]

Yes

[sage yew]

Using NIS my performance has improved, U5 had for me something between 30-40fps, while U6 with highly increased render distance but slightly reduced quality provides me with 40-60 fps. Server lags do not occur anymore every 10 min with 2 min downtime sitting in a bush. Game got more stable, while improving overall performance with U6, don't know what people mean by "everything got worse". It's not perfect, but that's it and has room for further improvement

[lapis swallow]

We have more stable servers, but the server crash on a daily basis

[remote dock]

because it did. You are talking about client side. still
client side is not server side

the servfers are crashing

the servers crash now more than ever

[sage yew]

well, that's true

[remote dock]

it doesnt matter how much u improve client side. if server side is messed up

[ancient kestrel]

They are were different in look not only in the naming. But... eah. Ok, it's no the biggest crime that devs made

It still cute tho

[remote dock]

if my experiance the reason servers crash is a. the run out of memory. b. the is a memory leak caused an error. or c. it struggles to do so many tasks at once that it stalls out and disconnects everyone

so while client side has improved thanks to improvements in the games optimization. the server is under too much stress and its showing bad. i played most of yesterday and had 2 servers i was in crash while i was playing

[sage yew]

okay, but what is your point? Lets go back to U5?

[remote dock]

wdym??? like. you are aware even if we go back to update 5. if they then implement ur idea. cool gore mechanics are out but not trees move and servers crashing again. ur taking out one issue to the server and bogging it down woth another

and i will take gore over visuals any day. the organs r fun

[sage yew]

oh, that is all about that? Dude, we are light years away from something like that and the current state is obviously not ready for that, but at some point it could be. Don't nitpick on the current performance so much as this is simply a thing of being mid-development and everyone is probably fully aware of that and most current problems are solvable

like I ever said, something like: "hey guys, you know what? Let's mess up the current game by implementing even more demanding stuff, before everything got flashed out - it will be fun!" Dude... have some hindsight

[remote dock]

dude....your the one who made the recommendation. your the one who said it wouldnt bother performance. did you just...forget why performance was brought up? you said it wouldmt effect performance to add it. i think your the one that needs hindsight

this all started cause i said ur idea would tank the servers

[sage yew]

I never said that. Only that it got actually better, at least for me

[remote dock]

and ppl diagreed with me

[sage yew]

I was never involved in that discussion as I just joined this conversation

[remote dock]

u joined in this morning replying to me without reading that disucssion then. what u reeplied to was that convo

so by proxy yes i figured u were saying that as u replied to my message from last night

so...yk...literally the conversation lol

[sage yew]

okay, that's your point of view, I'm just too lazy to read hours of conversations, so I don't really care

all I see is that you state it is currently not possible, I state that it should be possible at some point

[remote dock]

then dont join a conversation from last night lol

if ur too lazy to read it why comment

also @strange quiver the dieno skin customization. i prefer the gradual colour change from baby to adult. i feel like its more the game needs more skin optioms then just a and b. i def agree eith the need for more visual diversityy

also fr the hacker situation do be eac being garbage lol

[sage yew]

well then I'll come back to his conversation when I have my Phd. in Daddy's Pet and fulfil your criteria

[gritty lance]

Why so much thumbs down for this?

[remote dock]

lol

shhh i lost a bet i dont wanna talk boht it

[sage yew]

thought of it as well, as even horses eat occasionally chick if it comes by, but don't know if it would play out in the game so well

[lapis swallow]

Poor man

When can you change your discord name again?

[gritty lance]

Yeah.
Although iirc the only Dino’s eating bones are deinos and ceratos right? Maybe rexes?

[lapis swallow]

Maybe alberto

[remote dock]

long time. name stuck and became funny enough i just left it considering as the original bet said i had to keep it for a month 💀

[lapis swallow]

It is a funny name

[remote dock]

besides the reactions from ppl in servers r the best

cause i get asked n then get to see them go omg wjen i explain the reason

[gritty lance]

Oh maybe alberto, idk I feel it would give the carnivores more competition, but also gives herbivores a better chance due to the ibis’s

[remote dock]

also downvotes probably because supplementing might let herbis not move as much which is bad

deinos r pretty confined to water

as theyre dehydration bar is ass

[gritty lance]

Bias*
Ya can’t tell me most people don’t prefer playing carnivores over herbivores.
And why would that be bad again? Just curious

[remote dock]

not moving around the map creates dead zones and funnels all code into one area

creating low performance areas

[gritty lance]

Ah

[sage yew]

...

[remote dock]

if they added that ppl would live in lemon fields

[gritty lance]

So then they are pretty much forcing players to move around and utilize the map more vs making it fun

[remote dock]

fun is subjective i def find the movement more fun

[gritty lance]

I mean I don’t think that would be a issue if the maps weren’t huge for no reason xD

[remote dock]

thats me tho

[remote dock]

but to give example take stego

[gritty lance]

Ah I guess, but even then that’s gonna make herbis look more unappealing

[remote dock]

imagine if stego never had to go to swamp for sumax

swamp would just die and have no one

[lapis swallow]

Are we talking about migration?

[remote dock]

but just yesterday i met up with other stegs cause i was eatin sumac

[remote dock]

i cant wait for migrwtions

[gritty lance]

Tbh it’s kinda goofy aaa that they didn’t add it in this update

[lapis swallow]

It gives us a big map without making it feel empty

[sage yew]

Instead of nutrients, it could have a well being bar, like herbivores could lick salt for better digestion, that is totally duable and won't cause "server performance issues".

You can't disagree on everything because you fear the performance going down.

[gritty lance]

They talked about it as if it was all coming out at the same time, diet and gore

[remote dock]

performance was just cause plaher hotspotting l

lol

if everyones in center center becomes frame rate drop

[lapis swallow]

They could have just told us that it wont come when they said gateway is not gonna come with u6

[sage yew]

and that does not correlate at all

[neat reef]

what do we think about herbivores being able to graze off tree bark, if they are in need, or, is safer due to the environment they are in?

[remote dock]

literally wasnt me disagreeing based on performance

[lapis swallow]

How about for some of then to graze of moss?

Sounds cooler than treebark

[remote dock]

did. did you read my prwvious message? i explained it with stegos. if stegos dont have to get sumac. why would the go to swamp when they could stay at lemon fields

[gritty lance]

Yeah they should have specified prior

It really did sound like they were releasing it with gore

[lapis swallow]

And nobody would have had a issue with it

[remote dock]

the performance is an afterthought to it. i was more saying it would discourage map movement lol

[feral solstice]

I wouldn’t mind that if it was a supplement

Like you gain your diets, and use tree bark to supplement them and have it last longer

[gritty lance]

Yup, it’s annoying.

[sage yew]

That's sound somewhat cool, as you could follow those nibbled trees to hunt stegos

[feral solstice]

Yeah. We need more ways to track in general

Tracks should have a supportive role in tracking. Along with beds that are formed when you sit down for a bit of time

[sage yew]

Raptors claw on trees
Carnos rub on trees
Stegos nibble on trees

and by distinguishing those marks you can make out your next move

[feral solstice]

And then you have freshly eaten food

And such

[sage yew]

that's why visual feedback from the environment is so important
currently you can't even tell if a 6ton stego is sitting in a bush

[lapis swallow]

I think the tracking works for now, it could use some upgrades in the future tho

[lapis swallow]

Well, you can run into it and find out

[feral solstice]

The tracking is fine but it definitely could be better with more options to track with

A stego hiding in a bush is fine, but walking into a bush should cause some noise

[sage yew]

not really... this visual overlay is such a bummer

[remote dock]

thats because model state is sad in terms of folliage

[sage yew]

a complete overhaul is needed for tracking

[lapis swallow]

The visual overlay is fine or what do you hate about it?

[remote dock]

they move but it be better for it to instead of moving on axis switch models

[lapis swallow]

Tracking is pretty balanced rn

[remote dock]

some bushes dont move either

so its inconsistant

lol the isla spiro symptom

inconsistant

port is the funniest place to me

[feral solstice]

Tracks themselves could be more in-depth by:

• Making the glow fade the older the tracks are.

• Adding more variables to track distribution. Sand would distribute the least tracks, while mud distributes the most.

[remote dock]

sand makes less? id assume rocks would make less

rocks slash pime debris like the non grazing area of forests

[lapis swallow]

That would create a cool dynamic where you could try to escape into rockier areas of the map aka the mountains and risk a leg fracture for less tracks

[feral solstice]

That’s fine. Sand would be a close 2nd though.

[remote dock]

lol my thought process was just. 40 ton lizzard is gonna make a sand footprint if ppl can make sand angels lol

[sage yew]

considering the current tracking, I'd suggest to make it close to what "Dead by Daylinght" has.

You move fast: more dominant tracks
You move slow: harder to track

[lapis swallow]

Its already like that

[feral solstice]

^

[lapis swallow]

You give away more tracks when you run

[urban flax]

It was in legacy, not certain about evrima

[remote dock]

everyone beet me to it

[lapis swallow]

Actually?

[feral solstice]

Walking versus Running distributes different amounts of tracks like DBD

[sage yew]

currently there is this intervall, like you only get visual feedback after every 50meters or so, way too inconsistent

[lapis swallow]

But its fair

Tracking is fair rn

[sage yew]

someone who runs simply straight into nirvana has such a easy way to escape

[feral solstice]

In addition to making tracking more in-depth, there should be dedicated trackers as well.

[proud coral]

Punch has mentioned tracking eventually requiring you to find things like disturbances, so that's gonna be a start :3

[lapis swallow]

You can get away from people tracking you by doing a lot of turns n stuff

[sage yew]

uh yes

[lapis swallow]

And if you dont know you are being being tracked, they can easily track you down

[remote dock]

oki but am i the only one who thinks salt shouldnt be so optional?

[lapis swallow]

Tracking could use some rework later, but there is more urgent stuff

[remote dock]

for herbs

[sage yew]

yes

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[remote dock]

im curious why

[lapis swallow]

Carnivores get their salt from prey, herbivores should get it from salt

[remote dock]

just cause i know in real life herbs seek salt deposites

[remote dock]

wait are u disagreeing or agreeing then

[lapis swallow]

Just a lick ever like 1.5 hours should be enough

[lapis swallow]

I am agreeing

[remote dock]

aahhh sorry i asked if i was the only one who thought it and your yes made me think i was the only one lol

[lapis swallow]

I think it should be like that

[sage yew]

so called plant nutrients, are basically salts

[remote dock]

real question what do hackers even look like in this game. ive never had a moment where i go thats a hacker. usually i go wow patchy carno hitboxes do be broken. and. audio isnt working which is why i got found ect

aka i blame a lot on bugs and lack of awareness on my end

can someone explaun to me jow to spot one

[feral solstice]

The very obvious speed hackers using stego

[sage yew]

simple, just blame every death on hackers
but I've never encountered it either

[feral solstice]

That’s about it. I’ve rarely seen hackers use anything other than stego

[remote dock]

yeah like i didnt want to say it but everyones complainging about hackers and im a little skeptical as ive never seen one

but didnt want to be the person to say to say no your just bad

like the other day when someome complained that raptors were slower then deinos but they were a fresh spawn raptor

[sage yew]

juv crocs are fast

like boy, scary as hell when you see some coming from behind while you are a juv raptor

[remote dock]

exactly

plus ppl saying ppl found them afking in a bush and its like

ya ll know scent is like.... a thing right?

[pulsar smelt]

People forget the bushes don't render in at certain distances but the player still does... so even tho you're in a bush anyone at a certain range can see you like your sitting out in the open till they get closer.

Especially when people are logging in, players spawn in before the foliage..so you can see everyone in render range :T

But yes they always cry hacker lol

[lapis swallow]

That is actually very plausible for all the people saying that they got found in bushes

[sage yew]

but there are a lot of videos of hacker encounters on youtube
probably everyone will encounter hackers at some point or they get you, without even knowing they ware hacking

[pulsar smelt]

the only hackers Ive ever dealt with were speed and TP. and even if I did encounter a hacker that found me in a bush.. my first thought wouldnt be " hacker". now. if it kept happening back to back in different locations with the same dino, then with out a doubt Id suspect hacking.

but Ive seen people who shout hacker for the most miniscule of things.

[cyan flame]

@valid carbonPounce already does very high levels of bleed? You've basically described how it works as it is.

[lapis swallow]

Bruh moment suggestion

[valid carbon]

If this was true why does almost all my kills end in raw damage then them bleeding out?

[cyan flame]

What targets are you attacking? And how do you know they die of damage and not bleed?

[valid carbon]

Well I just got done killing a fresh adult carno that chased me everywhere and I kept ambushing him and then hiding, never once was he like I need to flee because of blood loss, out of the three pounces I landed on him and 4 butt bites.

[cyan flame]

Did he just drop dead suddenly, or did you bite him to kill him?

[valid carbon]

two pounces were tap pounces last pounce killed em

[cyan flame]

Maybe he did die of bleed, just didn't look like it.