general-feedback-discussion

[sage yew]

and get most of the time to adult non the less

[feral solstice]

[sage yew]

maybe not most of the time

[feral solstice]

Just fix the growth curves and you solve most problems. Simple as that

[sage yew]

maybe, duno, have to experience it first
I think that people will still play the waiting game

[tepid gate]

see that's the difference - you get to adult "most of the time", I get to adult every single time if I decide that I want to get to adult, no "ifs" or "buts". I could try to think about the last time I didn't but I'm not sure whether I could remember that

I think in update 4.5 when I was growing a Teno and I wasted so much time with a Carno that I met in my spawn point that I just decided to drown myself and start over

[sage yew]

so what, hura, you are adult now

[haughty folio]

so your 'solution' to juvies being weak, slow, and helpless is to.. fight, travel, and tank damage?

[tepid gate]

Yea I get to play the game and have fun

[tepid gate]

no, it's his solution to people being afk

[sage yew]

yes

[feral solstice]

Yoink

[haughty folio]

do you have any idea how stupid you sound right now?

[sage yew]

nope

[feral solstice]

Bruh

[haughty folio]

like. I lost braincells trying to process your logic right there

[feral solstice]

That came out of goddamn nowhere lmfao

[limber hull]

jesus christ i get you guys disagree but this is the most actively hostile i've seen people get in a long time over what is essentially a spitball

i dont agree either but christ

[haughty folio]

"oh, we've got the problem of juvies not being able to properly deal with the world, I know, let's force them to interact with the world in order to actually do something about their inability to interact with the world"

[tepid gate]

I mean I kind of agree that it's pointless to discuss this - there's no way the devs would ever decide to ruin the game so badly by introducing something like this

[limber hull]

dogpiling and calling the man a moronic fool for even conceiving the idea isn't really the avenue for constructive criticism or him taking your feedback to mind

[sage yew]

juvis are not helpless, I'm never AFK or play the waiting game and it works O_o

[haughty folio]

when is the last time you played Stego

[limber hull]

stego is a unique case lmao

[haughty folio]

or Tenonto

[limber hull]

that thing has the worst juvi ever designed

[sage yew]

didn't had problems with stegos either, just avoid hotspots like center or NW

[limber hull]

nah, even teno is better than stego at surviving, it has a decent escape option with water. Stego is just an awful juvi

[haughty folio]

... so, not interacting with the world, then

[tepid gate]

and if you run into an adult Utah or Carno somewhere outside of those two spots you do... what exactly?

will them into running off a cliff?

[sage yew]

die outsource, but I simply accept it and try again

[limber hull]

this is why adding stuff like the new juvi-friendly foliage (cyads, I think they were called) in key hotspots and areas would do wonders for letting juvis get into the thick of things without just obliterating them in a single moment because they dared leave a bush for .2 seconds

[haughty folio]

ok but then how are you intended to grow to Stego sizes if you just.. die if seen

[cyan flame]

I think maybe your idea of "helpless" is a bit off. When I say they're "helpless" I mean that if you get seen by an adult, or otherwise something more powerful than you, you just die. This does not make for good gameplay, because there's nothing you can do. So, I'd like it if there were avenues for juvies to either grow powerful faster, or have "baby biomes" or something, where adults can't get to, and so on. The point here is to make it so you don't feel like you have to hide or die all the time until fully grown.

[haughty folio]

using your method of "get punched to get health"

[tepid gate]

idk about that, juvies don't need help apparently

[cyan flame]

Juvie deinos have a way to avoid adults, more or less. The other juvies, not so much.

[tepid gate]

you respawn and do the same thing but this time you pray that you don't run into anything that might have the idea of killing you

[haughty folio]

oh, that's how it's currently done, yeah

what I'm asking is, if the way to grow is to get punched and not die, how do you grow if you die if punched

[tepid gate]

Ik, great game right there

rely on luck and avoiding peo... wait, you can't avoid people cause that's bad

[sage yew]

I try to play more cautios, listen to my enviroment, take my time to look around before I go anywhere open

works fine fore me

[limber hull]

i do personally adore the idea of a thick foliage that juvis and smalls can survive in, but the larger adults just cannot reliably move through. Means we have shortcuts, safe spaces and unique "mini-ecosystems" taking place in these densely packed foliage spots, and juvis can dip in and out to gather resources and avoid predators

[sage yew]

I take it as the "survival" aspect

[tepid gate]

So in other words - you avoid making contact with other players which is exactly what those afking do. From the perspective of whatever it is that isn't seeing you - you're the same.

[sage yew]

this idea could be a thing

[limber hull]

It will be

[sage yew]

yes, I avoid everything that will kill me for sure - is this so far fetched?
as a small stego I can hold my ground against other juvs

[haughty folio]

but yeah, uh, really the whole "improve stats by practicing them" strategy.. falls flat when you realize that to improve the stats you have to interact with things that, in all likelihood, you won't actually be able to interact with and survive

[sage yew]

I just don't run into anything blindly

[limber hull]

these little trees have been shown in the new map as tightly packed, extremely dense mini-jungles where adults simply cannot traverse reliably. There was an image shown of it, and Dondi went into detail about how you can use these as cover and a place for juvis and smalls to exist in their own space

[tepid gate]

only a moron would do that, any sane person would just group up with friends and stack up their damage and durability to 11 by attacking each other in a corner of the map

[sage yew]

only if you think there are only adults around

[haughty folio]

you cannot rely on there not being adults around

just as you cannot rely on a stretch of river having no Deinosuchus in it

[sage yew]

avoidable, by many ways

[tepid gate]

like..?

name me 4

[sage yew]

also, I never said that it is the only necessity to grow, but a part of it

okay, naming 4

1. it's not the only facter you need
2. reduced effect by using it in your pack or your own kind
3. duable by steps with time in between
4. variable stats

well, not the best ideas and you'll take them apart like nothing for sure, but I don't have to provide a solution to everything, I see it as a mosaic of something bigger, by involving many aspects of how you play in this world and letting them take effect on your final outcome

you want answers NOW, but I don't have them now, maybe tomorrow, but that does not mean that it wouldn't be feasible

every point you've mentioned by now, would be solvable if you keep going

[tepid gate]

Yea I can take them apart if you want but if you give this idea a little bit of thought you'll be able to do that yourself

[haughty folio]

or you lose everything because you bit off just a little bit more than you could chew

[tepid gate]

if you propose a solution of some kind you should think about ways of how it can be abused and try to provide solutions for those

that's what I did whenever I provided any feedback

[haughty folio]

and start from square one, only without the hurdles you used to get to where you were around

[tepid gate]

and no, those points I mentioned aren't solvable, the solutions you provide can be bypassed very easily(the concrete ones that actually have some meaning)

[sage yew]

so if my solutions are not perfect and not include a 10 paper to every aspect it's bad, no, that's not how it works. You can work with it or not, but you don't gonna tell me how I have to propose anything

[tepid gate]

yea it is how it works, they are very easily abusable and would be just bad for the game

[sage yew]

I'm seeking here a discussion on this topic, because I don't have the answers to fix everything

[tepid gate]

if this went into the game any competent clan would have a field day with other players

[haughty folio]

I ain't tellin' you how to propose anything, I'm saying that what you've presented is just a bad idea

[sleek shuttle]

just put in a piece about fractures, I feel bad asking but I wanted to see what people had to say or correct me if needed, I did hit the word limit so some details had to be left out sadly

I apologize if im interrupting anything lol

[tepid gate]

it's alright we weren't going anywhere with this conversation

[haughty folio]

tiered fractures might be an interesting thing to work out, though the number of animations may be an issue

[tepid gate]

as for what you wrote there - tiered fractures are I THINK meant to be implemented at some point

but I'm not 100% sure about that as I was only told that by other community members

and not by the devs

could be worth asking Punch whenever he's available if they plan to ever build up on this fracture system

[haughty folio]

you might be able to skip some animation steps by making the final tier of fracture virtually identical to legacy bonebreak, but that has the downside of recreating legacy bonebreak

[sleek shuttle]

I was thinking it would just be the same animation just polished some for each tier and adapted and maybe slowly added animations for accordingly

[haughty folio]

not sure how well that'd play with the current systems but if there's a way to gradually blend animations it might work out

[sleek shuttle]

yeah

I am by no means good in the programming or animation world so I dont really know lol

[haughty folio]

as it stands, I feel having 6 stages with unique animations would get the intended effect you want, but need the most animation work

whereas 3 would get decent variety but have more jarring transitions

[sleek shuttle]

I wrote at max maybe 70 lines of code for some basic games in the past lmao

[sage yew]

what's the difference between this idea and diet?
as it also forces you to interact with the world and is needed to build up stats, works too

diet is not a bad idea, it's not good for now, but definitely something you can build on

[sleek shuttle]

yeah

[haughty folio]

the thing with diets is that they're a control mechanism, not an engagement tool

they 'control' where the herbivores will go, and in turn the carnivores that rely on the herbivores for food

[sleek shuttle]

was just largely feeling bad for pachy as it was severely nerfed for the fracture system and not actually being all to broken in damage or health

not imo or memory

[haughty folio]

you can engage with the diet system as juvie and - if by some miracle - avoid interacting with other species or even your own

until the point at which you're confident enough to face the ecosystem with the tools at hand

with the system of "get hit to get the ability to take hits" you have to actively seek out things that you can take hits from, not die to, and somehow defeat or escape from

while also avoiding the things that will instantly or near-instantly kill you, run you down, and/or out-tank you

unless you pull a PoT and make it so you lose only a little growth on death, people will simply leave the game if you make growth that punishing

[sage yew]

I see it as part of the survival, you risk much to gain something

[haughty folio]

I see it as a colossal waste of my time

something far, far more valuable to me than a video game

[sage yew]

maybe that's the key difference in thinking, I don't want to be held by hand. Everything, or nothing. I want to feel the panic, when I'm about to lose everything, because I did a minor mistake

that's survival

[limpid grove]

any way to unstuck a dino?

[tepid gate]

Are you on an official server?

[limpid grove]

yes

Eu 1

[tepid gate]

#evrima-eu tag an "official server admin" in this channel

and explain that you're stuck and all the details that they might need from you

[haughty folio]

I don't want to be held by hand either, I just don't want to be forced to relive a tedious system of growth over and over again from square one every time someone decides that they want to make a ragdoll and I happen to be in the general area

[tepid gate]

they might not respond straight away

[limpid grove]

ty

[tepid gate]

You're welcome

[haughty folio]

because with your system, people will invariably be stuck as juvies because they can't interact with the world and will be too afraid to do so because of how much time they'll lose

that is the inherent issue with the system

[sage yew]

I agree! A tedious repetative system is anyoing. As my suggestions build up on the stuff you'll do anyway and actually should, everything but not standing in bushes all day long

[haughty folio]

tedious and repetitive are not the same

tedious means time-intensive, repetitive means doing the same thing over and over

[sage yew]

I imagine it (my idea) as something, that allows you to grow actively on your experience you're faced

[haughty folio]

or just die because you can't do anything until you've done something and somehow lived

meanwhile the clans are feeding off their collaborative efforts and dominating the server with absolutely zero counterplay from randos

[sage yew]

that's where I dissegree, you can do - not everything - but you can still hunt juvis as a juvi - unless everyone waits till 100% and you only can face adults in the game, then you are totally right

[haughty folio]

why would you play the game at all if the only way to get to the point where you can progress is to take the gamble that there's something you can fight and not die horribly to

[sage yew]

sometimes I spawn at swamp and just survive on frogs, eat a chicken, go north, hunt juvis or subs and viola, Im grown

[haughty folio]

right, because you're passively growing between the time you go from southeast to north

[sage yew]

same applies to spawning at center, the last days I played only there and there are countless of juvs around you can interact with

[haughty folio]

ever heard of Vivac?

[sage yew]

what?

[haughty folio]

Vivac.

[sage yew]

I can read, still: what?

[haughty folio]

it's a kind of thermoset plastic that's used in orthotics, gets hard as glass when it cools

it's significantly easier to work with than you

anyways I'm going to bed

[sage yew]

no need to get rude
as all I'm saying that you can engage with the game at any growth state

no need to be 100%, but nice to have when you reach it

and my Idea is ment, even tho it needs improvement, to make it impossible to simply be AFK and that it stops to be the most effective way to play the game

[tepid gate]

there are better ways of preventing people from being afk

[sage yew]

name me 4

[tepid gate]

sure - one you can discourage them by making them more vulnerable when they afk e.g. a person remaining in the same area could leave a stench that can be scented by predators.

You could also change how growth works and make it based on specific tasks that people would have to do e.g. "wallow", "lick salt rocks".

remove AI and increase the hunger drain of all the animals - they'd have to move not to starve. Early update 2 had very short hunger times and you couldn't afk with carnivores even if you tried really hard because you were just starving to death.

Give them short lasting growth buffs instead of a constant buff via diets.

Although tbh - anything would be better than what you're proposing for the simple reason that your solution is worse than the problem.

Doing absolutely nothing or outright making people unable to move and forcing them to afk until they're full adult would be better than what you've proposed

[sage yew]

how does it feel to be productive in a conversation instead just calling an idea dumb?

[tepid gate]

it feels like I've wasted my time writing that

I've said those things many times before, the devs have their own approach

they won't implement either the things I stated there nor what you said

the discussion about people being afk has been around since before Evrima was a thing

Each suggestion that's being made has to take into consideration whether its application is realistic or not

out of what I wrote there 2 and 3 are NEVER happening, 4 is almost certainly not happening

1 could potentially/maybe be a thing one day because it doesn't get in the way of what the devs have intended for the game(at least to my knowledge)

[proven river]

Ahh, my bad mate srry

[azure echo]

@regal brook it’s essential.

[regal brook]

?

[azure echo]

Deino cannibalism, you may not like it. But it’s essential.

[regal brook]

explain

go ahead

[azure echo]

Imagine half the server population as 100% deinos. Where are they going to get food? Where would other dinos even drink?

AI is not the solution to their food problem.

[regal brook]

ok

well

hmm

it would be a war

50 deinos

[azure echo]

🤷🏻‍♂️ then they may aswell be able to eat each other

[regal brook]

even though there is sickness to killing its still gunna happen

its just preventing it a little

all i want is the dieno killing for sport cannibalism to stop

[azure echo]

I have never had a problem with Deino cannibals. If you are worried about it leave the water when there is a bigger croc around

[low canopy]

but there is genuine benefit to killing other deinos right now

[regal brook]

?

[low canopy]

diets

[regal brook]

look at my suggestion.

dont butt into convos u have no info on

[low canopy]

and? I read it and it changes nothing

[azure echo]

Can we keep on topic please

[regal brook]

i said take deinos off deinos diets

so there wouldent be a benefit

[urban flax]

Why would an animal get sick for killing another one ?

[regal brook]

omg noones listening

all im getting at is the 100% deinos killing smaller ones for sport

not even eating them.

jesus christ you guys are persistant

[azure echo]

Deinos eating each other is important, and it’s not gonna change. I would suggest changing up your play style as a Deino and not assume everyone is gonna be friendly.

[urban flax]

That's my question
Why would an animal get sick from killing another one without eating them ?

[regal brook]

why do utahs get sick after doing so?

[urban flax]

They don't
They get sick from eating the flesh of their fellow species, which is common among animals (but mostly mammals)

[crystal trail]

@regal brook One of the main reasons as to why cannibalism is encouraged for the Deinosuchus is because there isn't anything else to contest it in the water. So the only way to do so is through self-regulation.

[regal brook]

why not add another aquatic animal to balance it?

more diversity ?

[crystal trail]

We would love to, but first one has to be designed and developed. Which takes time.

[regal brook]

understandably so thats why im suggesting it

[limber hull]

i would get very mad if deino, the animal that doesn't get sick, gets sick from eating its own

[crystal trail]

Honestly right now the main issue for deinosuchus cannibalism isn't the fact that you're on the menu. It's because Spiro doesn't have anywhere for you to hide or seek sanctuary away from your larger kin.

[regal brook]

well is dosent have to nessasaraly get sick

[limber hull]

exceptionally valuable point to keep in mind

[crystal trail]

In Gateway there is a lot of debris and other junk in the water for you to navigate into, places where you can stay out of sight or evade larger predators.

[urban flax]

But that's what's written in your suggestion

[limber hull]

i am so excited for waterways that aren't linear hellscapes

[cyan flame]

Also if the "deino sense" doesn't work underwater

Would probably help a lot with being stealthy

[regal brook]

well ill edit it then when i said sick i ment some sort of negitive effect

[crystal trail]

Spiro rivers aren't particularly deep, and they are completely barren. So you either have to rush off into the jungle or hope whoever is coming down river ain't hungry

[urban flax]

Actually even if it's not sickness by itself it's not very desirable as a mechanic

[regal brook]

i jsut wish deinos wouldent kill for sport. especially if ones way smaller than the other

[limber hull]

deino sense not being good at locating fish and underwater targets will do wonders for aquatic stealth

[urban flax]

But smaller ones can escape ?

[regal brook]

not entirely

slower but more stanima

[urban flax]

They are faster on land

[regal brook]

huh

i didnt know that

[crystal trail]

Yeah juvie deinos are nimble little buggers

[gentle flint]

Extremely fast, it’s the best option of getting away

[crystal trail]

You can even outstam the big ones on land

[regal brook]

i usally just run and hide on the river bank uner some rock

[crystal trail]

forest gator meta

[regal brook]

ok im starting to understand why deino canabalism is good but its still extremely frickin annoying i spend 6-7 hours on a dino that gets killed 20 mins after being fully grown to a pair of cannibalistic deinos

[limber hull]

i think that does legitimately come down to poor waterways too tho

[low canopy]

I'm not sure how the new diet slot thing works but maybe you could make stat build that gives you more stamina/speed to get away from other deinos at the expense of other stats

[regal brook]

oooo

i got an idea but im on timer

what if we had a storing system

like the river den

but have a max of how many dinos u can store'

like 3 at a time on a server

so if u wanna switch to a dino to experiace it u dont gotta loose 2 hours of time on carnos or 6-9 hours on stegos or deinos

any thoughts?

[urban flax]

I think everytime it's been suggested it's been downvoted to hell
So it's safe to assume most people hate the idea

[regal brook]

why though

ion wanna loose my carno but at the same time i wanna try smthn else

[urban flax]

It encourages griefing and makes dying not really a threat anymore, since you can just come back and revenge with another fully-grown dino

[regal brook]

ig

but then have a timer if u die have a 1 hour timer untill u can use storage

so u cant just come back for revenge

[urban flax]

If you want to play another dino without killing the one you have you can just change server
Except if you're aussie

[rare fractal]

We already have problems with Juvi utahs soloing stegos.....we don't need multiple slots

[regal brook]

jesus

juvi utahs soloing stego???????

HOW bro

[rare fractal]

If a stego is bleeding...a juvi utah will never let it stop...if it dies it can just come back

eventually the stego dies since there's no actual counter

[regal brook]

true

honestly playing solo apex is a death wish

[rare fractal]

which it absolutely shouldn't be since out of all animals they should be the most comfortable playing alone

For both balancing reasons and ecology needds

[urban flax]

I was thinking on something regarding that...
Maybe everytime you die in a short span of time, you respawn timer gets a little longer, topping at 1 hour. It gradually decreases over time, regardless of wether you're playing or not. The main downside I see if you get punished even more if you are spawncamped or unlucky...

[rare fractal]

I'd much prefer juvis just not dealing literally any damage to animals X much larger than them

[urban flax]

@light dome Deino can stay underwater for 10 minutes
In-game time that's about 4 hours

(much more than a modern gator)

[rare fractal]

@light dome Everything is pretty good accept for the deino breath time...it's VERY long....like if it was made any longer deino would be entirely imperceptible until it instakills you...which is a separate issue on it's own but this doesn't help that

[urban flax]

I see that causing other problems tho
I agree they shouldn't be able to kill, but it's a survival game after all
If something has teeth, it should at least hurt a little bit

[rare fractal]

Nah...the degree of illogical damage buffing or nerfing in this game more than sets a precedent for something like this..it's entirely consistent

[urban flax]

Making juvies unable to damage larger animals is fiddling with a form of balance that doesn't have to exist

[regal brook]

right but a juvi utah soloing a stego (apex)

cmon bro

[urban flax]

What's the threshold ? Can a 60kg baby utah damage a stego ? If it can't, can an adult 50 kg troodon do so ? What about ptera ?

[rare fractal]

Not necessarily soloing tbf....it's able to finish a hunt started by adults on it's own

The bleed needs to be there but most of the work can be done by fresh spawns

[urban flax]

It can do so because it keeps respawning
Hence my suggestion

If a full-grown troodon can't damage stego, does than mean a stego can just sit and chill in the middle of a troodon nest without suffering the slightest consequence ?

[rare fractal]

This also runs the risk of players that are just getting unlucky with spawns being imposed with respawn times they shouldn't need to deal with...also a fresh spawn omni shouldn't deal damage to a stego...it just shouldn't

[rare fractal]

Well that's stoking a more extensive topic...should troodon be able to have combative relevance to animals that big? If so why?

[regal brook]

completly unrelated but does anyone know if its day in na 1

[urban flax]

The problem isn't actually damage but bleed
Because any damage resets bleed

[rare fractal]

Bleed and damage are correlated directly, and in the context of pounce bleed damage is trippled...so I use the terms interchangeably in the context of omni since it's become so laymen

[urban flax]

Not combative relevance, but they have the right to be annoying. I'm a million times bigger than an ant, yet I wouldn't sit on an ant mount, although they can't kill me (in the country that I live in)
In a game where you can't feel pain, damage is the only way to make people react

[rare fractal]

Damage is irrelevant to this when troodon has calls

Like sure if we grant troodon the capacity to deal negligible damage to apexes...fine...the heal rate outheals the damage...but the capacity to annoy other players is MORE than covered by troodons calls

[urban flax]

Yeah, and I think part of the problem comes from that. I'm not sure how it works so I don't wanna argue about this too much, but I think if bleed sources were separate it would already be a bit better. What I mean is, for example you've been pounced for a total of 600 bleed damage. If a baby utah bites you for 5 damage, instead of adding to the 609 damage you're already bleeding for, it adds another layer of 5 damage
With both lowering your blood pool and healing independently

[urban flax]

Lower volume

[rare fractal]

Doesn't whatsoever account for the fact that they're drawing massive amounts of attention to you...

[rare fractal]

Oh I agree with not tying bleed damage to standard damage absolutely....but I wouldn't even enable juvi utahs to deal bleed damage to an animal like stego because it would still allow it to continue the status effect...which is how bleed fundamentally operates

[urban flax]

Assuming someone would come and investigate hearing dozens of troodon calls and not think "something wrong is happening there, I should go the other way"

[rare fractal]

This is entirely based on personal experience but I rarely notice calls of another player being a deterrent unless it's a carno and I'm playing something small and weak like a dryo or solo pachy or omni

[urban flax]

Or the stego just kills the troodons

[rare fractal]

How could it possibly do so if they don't attack first

Like nothing a stego does can stop the troodons from perpetually calling near it

Unless troodons are for some bizarre reason slower than stego but we know for certain they won't be

[urban flax]

Remember we were talking about a nest

[rare fractal]

Yes and?

Should every animal be able to fight every other animal because they can disrupt eachothers nesting? Should dryo have the ability to damage anky because anky can deny the dryo it's nest?

Same applies to most animals really

Should galli have relevant damage to deter a shant from it's nest?

Should ava have relevant damage to deter a trike from it's nest?

The list goes on

[urban flax]

Anky is a special case, but yes
As I said, it's a survival game
You should do what makes sense for your survival, not ignore small threats because they're small

[rare fractal]

The small animals should do what makes sense for their survival and avoid the animals too large to damage....

Like part of what comes with being massive and armored is the ability to make certain threats of a lower caliber of power irrelevant for trading your speed and stealth for size

[urban flax]

Ideally a galli would never think of attacking a shant, but if it does so, the shant should have to make a decision and kill the galli at some point
Not just ignore it forever

[rare fractal]

Why?

[urban flax]

Negligible damage ? Yes
No damage at all ? That's just wrong

[rare fractal]

Why can't it just ignore the galli, why can't the galli be entirely irrelevant to a 14 ton shant

[rare fractal]

They are functionally identical in their result tho...

[urban flax]

Because you don't let a bird pecking you for 2 hours straight in a survival situation

[rare fractal]

If the damage is negligible then the heal rate outheals the damage, if it doesn't then the damage IS relevant

[rare fractal]

Why not, it's not a threat to your survival

It's only a threat to your sanity, which calls more than account for

[urban flax]

So would you allow one to do so without reacting ?

[rare fractal]

Yes....in a game like this absolutely

[urban flax]

No consequence = no threat to sanity or anything
Just bothing happens

I could see some animals dealing 0 damage to others, but only in very extreme cases
The comparison between an adult galli and an adult shant isn't extreme enough in my opinion

[rare fractal]

Well...I never said no consequences...this is specifically concerning damage, I already established how calls attract attention

[urban flax]

I say it should only happen is the target is like 100x heavier than the attacker

So compy can't damage anything above 300 kg

[rare fractal]

That's incredibly arbitrary, why not just assess it case by case and based on kit instead of weight?

[urban flax]

And troodon can't damage anything above 5 tons (yeah I literally disagreed with this earlier but now looking at the numbers I get it)

[rare fractal]

Like weight plays a MAJOR part in the assessment but the capabilities unique to the animal would play a part

Both positively and negatively towards it's results

[urban flax]

Because that's less arbitrary ? When you make a game, you make rules. Assessing something case by case is arbitrary.

Or you give a flat damage resistance to every animal instead of basing it off attacker's weight

Like stego has a flat 10 damage reduction, so anything that does less than that will deal 0 damage

[rare fractal]

Assessing the credentials of each animal case by case can be based on a standard, it's not necessarily arbitrary, if anything it has the opportunity to be less arbitrary than a general rule because it's far more specifically tailored

[rare fractal]

I'm actually sorta fine with a system like this existing, just with exceptions both increasing the damage dealt as well as decreasing the damage dealt depending on the animal

[urban flax]

The flat damage resistance is actually something I mentioned in a very old suggestion regarding armor and damage calculations

[urban flax]

What do you mean by that ?

You mean a specific animal dealing bonus damage to another one ?

[rare fractal]

Some animals have kits with better optimization to piercing hides than others... like a velo would have a slightly higher damageable ceiling than a hamolo because of their methods of combat respectively

[urban flax]

Or implement an armor penetration stat as well, like good games do ?

[rare fractal]

That's basically what I'm saying in a more roundabout way...with some caps

Like I don't think their should be any unique interaction between animals that specifically have armor and animals with standard armor piericing

Like a rex wouldn't have the same type of armor piercing as a trike would because they're weapons deal with different types of armor

Like a rex may deal more damage to an anky than a trike would because their methods of armor penetration are different

Despite trike having a higher raw damage value....hypoethetically

[urban flax]

I'm not a fan of that "armor penetration" idea... Because functionnally it's just ghost bonus damage.
Or limit it to real armor-piercing attacks, like bullets, thagomizers and trike horns

[rare fractal]

Well...that's exactly the kind of things I'm talking about

armor piercing should be a fairly unique trait for an animal to have

[urban flax]

Maybe rex teeth could have some armor piercing as well, but not velo's

So it all boils down to "REMAKE THE DAMAGE CALCULATIONS SYSTEM GODDAMMIT"

[rare fractal]

I think you may be confused with what I meant their.... a rex would have a resistance to, for a lack of better terms, hard armor because of rexes damage application method, velo would have the same for...again...a lack of better terms "soft armor" like thick hides because it's oriented towards cutting or stabbing...and conversely both animals would be weaker against the armor type the other is strong against because their damage application types are opposite eachother to a degree...in a game sense at least

[rare fractal]

Yeah lets just simplify it down to this

This is all fairly complicated and I think simpler solutions exist but just to get a general idea of a system I wished existed to mitigate how effective drastically smaller animals can be against drastically larger ones, and possibly to introduce armor types to the game, if not just the concept of armor itself

[urban flax]

Uh I'm not sure I understand... So that would be differentiations like, blunt damage, slashing damage, piercing damage ? And some dinos have better armor against a specific type of damage ?

[rare fractal]

Kinda...it wouldn't be tooo general the way I imagine it...like armor would only apply to certain animals outside the context of a massive size difference

[urban flax]

The problem I see is, how would different dinos have different types of armor ? They're all leather and scales

Except anky, who has something more of an actual armor... But creating a rule just for one exception is a bit overkill imo

[rare fractal]

The blunt armor being reserved for things like kentro minmi and anky...along with ceratopsian frills...etc

[rare fractal]

Also I kinda disagree that making a unique damage calculation for a single animal is overkill when that animals entire purpose is to basically be immune to damage from most sources

[urban flax]

Well you could simply give it a good damage reduction... But we're going deep into the assumption territory here

[rare fractal]

Which is something I'm also fine with btw...like I said simpler solutions can and probably do exist that functionally serve the same purpose

Same with something like kentro trike and stego having insane damage mitigation on their horns/spikes, like it's something that kinda already exists but it's worth making a point of

[urban flax]

Ok I think I can imagine something
There are two types of armor, external armor and internal armor.
External armor applies first. It's scales, osteoderms or carapace, and reduces damage by a flat amount.
Internal armor is leather or general toughness. It reduces damage by a percentage. It's the current damage bonuses/maluses, with heads having negative internal armor. Can still vary per species.
Then there are damage types
Slashing damage is the base damage. Often causes a lot of bleed.
Piercing damage ignores 50% of external armor. It can also cause bleed, depending on the attack.
Blunt damage often causes fracture damage, and ignores 50% of internal armor.

Things like cerato have a lot of internal armor, meaning they are extremely resilient even to attacks that would normally deal a lot of damage to them. They can still be fractured like any other animal tho.
Anky's carapace provides a lot of external armor, meaning most small attacks will just glance off it without causing any damage. But if an attack is strong enough to pierce the armor, it's still gonna hurt a lot.

Pachy has a good amount of internal and external armor on its dome, meaning it's impervious to most attacks in its size range. Just go headfirst and you'll be fine. It's not gonna save it from a rex bite though.

[rare fractal]

I'd probably just simplify it down to some animals having damage resistance on certain parts of their body dependent on what they are just as current locational damage works, with some animals having unique damage modifiers to those parts instead of making a formula out of the system....like for example...I don't think an alberto should be able to ignore half of the damage resistance provided by something like kentro's spikes since it's quite literally stabbing itself in the face whenever it attempts to attack them...so IG if contextual exemptions are allowed the basic formula works quite well..I'd have to think on it more tho

[urban flax]

Well alberto would deal slashing damage when biting
So no armor bypass
The system isn't reallt complex, it's math you could do in your head. I think it gives some needed depth regarding how animals react to different attacks.

[rare fractal]

Oh I just assumed it'd deal blunt since it's whole things is basically being smaller rex as indicated by the concept art

[urban flax]

It just makes sense in my opinion. Slashing attacks are best for attacking weak spots since they will do a lot of bleed, whereas blunt attack wouldn't benefit as much from it

[rare fractal]

But yeah the concept of the system on it's own seems really useful

[urban flax]

It could deal a mix of both
But blunt damage would be reduced by spikes (external armor) with my calculation system

[rare fractal]

I should probably be a bit more clear xD
I don't see either damage type being effective against something like that, that's my main point

Piercing damage to counter a spike seems a bit off

Unless I'm confusing them

[urban flax]

Ok Imma give you numbers
Let's say kentro spikes have 200 external armor. An alberto bite would deal a total of 400 damage either blunt or slashing (no difference in this case)
Damage is reduced by 200. Since alberto is a very big animal, kentro still takes 209 damage.
But kentro's spikes are a special case that aren't really covered by my formula

[rare fractal]

Which I think is totally fine btw...exemptions can and should exist

[urban flax]

Since there isn't really much to damage in a spike anyway
I guess the current formula of having spikes take 0 damage from any source but not block damage could work
OR
They have their own separate health bar
With something like 90% internal armor

[rare fractal]

And for clarity for anyone seeing this discussion at a later date, I doubt you're trying to imply that Alberto should or should not deal 400 damage per bite..

[urban flax]

Thanks xD
Yeah the numbers are completely random

[rare fractal]

That's ideal as far as I'm aware, with only certain damage sources being capable of really dealing any damage to their HP seeing as how most attacks in the game would just...get impaled lmao

[rare fractal]

I've had that happen to me too many times...and it's frustrating

Some people just don't know what a hypothetical is

[lucid mauve]

How much is 400 damage ? If my health is 400 on a dino, i die from 400 damage ?

[uneven mist]

Yes

[lucid mauve]

ahh ok, so how much health does like carno have ?

[uneven mist]

It weights 1800 kg so it has 1800 health

[lucid mauve]

Ahh ok, thanx : )

That would mean with 400 damage i would need to hit a carno 5 times as alberto. For me that sounds like the damage should be buffed. I know we are just talking random numbers now.

[uneven mist]

Wait are we talking about legacy or evrima?

[lucid mauve]

Evrima, cus i dont see me dying ever to a alberto as carno. If it would need to hit me 5 times.

I would just leave after taking 3 hits, and say nah im off your not getting any food from me lol

[uneven mist]

Alberto weighs a lot more than carno so if carno ever decides to go and attack berto it’s most likely either going to die or get severely injured

[rare fractal]

I literally posted a disclaimer about the 400 damage number being an arbitrary example

[lucid mauve]

Yea and thats what i hope. Mistakes should be hard punished, maybe not kill you. But atleast get you running/leaving the fight

[lucid mauve]

I know : ) As i said, we are talking random numbers : P

[rare fractal]

Ok just making sure....

[uneven mist]

450 dmg Alberto when

[lucid mauve]

It should , cus no way im gonna be hitting any carno 5 times. And i dont wanne hit an alberto 12 times

[rare fractal]

Why are we even speculating damage numbers when we don't even know it's ability effectiveness or weight

[uneven mist]

ITS FUNNY that’s why

[rare fractal]

***IT'S CRINGE AND YOU KNOW IT ***

[lucid mauve]

Have u seen whats been discussed here before ? Or in the suggestion channel ? We are actually discusing something thats in the game lol

[uneven mist]

[rare fractal]

I'm of the firm belief that damage numbers aren't prescriptive but descriptive of it's other qualities...meaning an animal has the damage necessary to facilitate what it needs to do

Like deino would more realistically be in the 2000s or more but fortunately it's playstyle doesn't require that

[lucid mauve]

True, but most carnis needs to kill to survive

[rare fractal]

And?

So does deino and it doesn't even break 1k...and it's the most powerful killer in the game

Cuz lunge is busted strong, so it's bite doesn't need to be that powerful

[lucid mauve]

Yea ? If the ability effectivness is good, no problem.

[rare fractal]

Well tbh if the ratio was actually balanced dieno wouldn't even deal damage with it's bite...but yknow

[lucid mauve]

You saying lunge is so busted ?

[rare fractal]

Yes lunge is the strongest ability in the game next to pounce rn

[lucid mauve]

then utah shouldt do crap lol

[rare fractal]

Actually not next to...it's THE strongest ability in the game

[rare fractal]

?

[lucid mauve]

Pounce is the strongest i think, for a dino with that stam/speed/agility

[rare fractal]

Oh pounce is far and away the second strongest attack in the game and there's zero competition for it...but lunge quite literally lacks a counter in game, if it hits you you die

that's the only reason it's better...because it's quite literally outside the realm of balance on it's own

[lucid mauve]

Well yea, but its tons of places to cross/drink where you dont need to think about getting caught. I did see in update thats coming, that the water is much more calm now. So you can more easly see deinos

But yea i sorta agree with you

[rare fractal]

Well lemme put it to you this way...if safe crossing and drinking spots don't exist, lunge is imbalanced and overly oppressive....if they DO exist...lunge is irrelevant

It's such a bizarre ability in a game like this

[lucid mauve]

yea but lazy ppl get caught, who dont wanne spend 30 sec extra to cross safe

[rare fractal]

What do the 30 extra seconds provide them

A deino can stay underwater for 10 minutes rn

[lucid mauve]

Run to a place where u can cross safe

[rare fractal]

Oh ok that makes sense

and honestly I'm totally fine with that

An ability that almost exclusively works on idiots but provides what is essentially free food when used on said idiots is fine by me when the players that know about it can counter it

Only in the context of deino tho, for many other reasons I can't go into because my brain needs sleep xD

[lucid mauve]

lol yea, i mean im one of those. Im lazy sometimes. But i honestly dont know how to kill anything as deino if i didnt have lunge : P

[rare fractal]

Well...deino is an opportunist, so anything crossing or any bodies near the shoreline are fair game

Also...other deinos

[lucid mauve]

But people do need to move more to get to those safe crossing areas, and prob make more people encounter eachothers at those " hotspots". So sometimes its safer to drink where deinos can kill you.

[rare fractal]

It'll quite literally never be safer to drink at a place where a deino can kill you...anything that attacks you at a safe drinking spot is something you could either run from or defend against...that doesn't apply to deino

[lucid mauve]

Yea, im not talking about deino at "safespots to drink" More the land dinos who would go to those places and drink. It will prob be more encounters for them at those spots

Because deinos are in the game : P

[rare fractal]

Mhm, and no matter what they may be, I'd rather interact with them, I'd rather face a pack of utahs as a teno then engage with a deino...at least with the utahs I get to have a little fun before they inevitably kill me

[lucid mauve]

But yea, if i get grabbed. Im just " yea im dead"

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[lucid mauve]

lol true, i would more die like that then just look at me drowning.

But its sorta same on land, im guessing if your teno and dont pay attention to a giga hiding. You prob dead.

But thats on you, deinos i cant really see. So not much i can do lol

[rare fractal]

Not even remotely close, for one there's absolutely no way giga will exceed 40 kmh unless it's REALLY weak... so you as a teno can run away as soon as you spot it....and that's the other thing...you CAN spot a giga before it attacks you, same doesn't apply to deino

Also giga probably won't oneshot a teno aside from massive bleed damage

[lucid mauve]

If i need to hit a darn teno multiple times as giga, its gonna be the worse balance ive seen lol

[rare fractal]

Why?

Giga dealing 1600 dmg per bite?

[limber hull]

why would you assume giga would one-tap teno

[lucid mauve]

How you gonna hunt anything then, imagine hunting allos. And you need 3 bites, allo gonna be gone fast

[limber hull]

yea

[lucid mauve]

How would you assume to hunt

[limber hull]

you're playing an apex, things will run away from you

[rare fractal]

Slow moving targets via bleed mostly

sauropods, shants...the occasional trike maybe

[limber hull]

giga is more likely going after sauropods, trikes and shants than allos or tenos

[lucid mauve]

yes, but it goes both ways. I need to hunt it.

[rare fractal]

You don't need to hunt teno or allo

[limber hull]

^

[rare fractal]

Giga has plenty of options outside of them

[lucid mauve]

No i dont, but i dont want to run around as a brainless allo cus i now nothing can kill me unless its faster.

[limber hull]

giga one-tapping teno is some legacy balancing, it does not need a bite that can do 1600 damage

giga can't kill allo consistently = allo is immortal, right

[lucid mauve]

yea and its awesome, less mistakes. No way i wanne be hitting a giga 30 times to kill and i dont wanne hit an allo 5 times to kill it.

[rare fractal]

Well for one, that's literally how balancing in this game works for the most part, if it's faster than you and stronger, it'll probably take you down easily, just look at carno and everything that isn't teno deino or stego

[limber hull]

legacy balancing is dogwater lol

[rare fractal]

That's why most animals aren't balanced with a negative ratio in both categories

Unless they have an ability that circumvents this

Which allo..to my knowledge, doesn't have

Like herrera doesn't need to be particularly fast or strong because it can climb

[limber hull]

rexes and gigas are so absurdly above the rest of the roster in terms of power its ridiculous. Let's not have that terrible balance again

[limber hull]

(it'd be nice if herrera was fast but lacked running stam. Allow it to rush to a tree at the sight of danger)

[lucid mauve]

You want pot balance ? Where you need to hit someting 20 times. And what matters then is how many you are , not skills.

[rare fractal]

Yeah I'm fine with low stam high speed herrera

I'm only really describing it's basal needs

[limber hull]

PoT balance is a different beast entirely. In PoT, we won't have rex pinning and grabbing prey to kill it in one combo

Isle Rex will likely be grabbing prey and killing them that way, rather than spam LMB like legacy

[rare fractal]

Pot balance is bad primarily because of the dino's movement and the lack of engagement abilities have with eachother...there's very little variety which is what makes fights monotonous...ironically dinos killing eachother in LESS hits makes the game EASIER

since the margin for error on the attackers part is so large

[limber hull]

My issue with your proposal is how massively it basically powerscales the roster

We have deino, who has a 500 bite force, then we have giga, the same size and tier, outdamaging it 3 times over so it can one-tap a teno

[rare fractal]

Which is something legacy both had way too much of...and didn't have at all cuz of dilo and utah

[lucid mauve]

I disagree, less hits makes mistakes hurt. I can do 10 mistakes in a fight in pot and still just walk away, must be awfull for the guy who did none.

[limber hull]

less hits makes the fight faster

[rare fractal]

It also reduces the amount of skill expression an engagement can have by reducing the potential dynamic duration

It's mostly about twitchy reaction than skill expression

Think the difference between COD and something like..overwatch or apex as a shooter example

[limber hull]

im heavily against teno getting one-shot with any LMB attack, even rex. Give rex options to one-tap a teno, be it through grabs or headswings to stun and then a bite to finish, but don't have it just LMB, dead

[lucid mauve]

In pot you can go 3 allos, walk in on a eotrike tank 3 hits walk away, next allo goes in and do the same then the 3th one goes in and do the same. And the trike is dead. If Evrima has abilities that can make me fear the trike for facking tanking it and die. Im fine.

[limber hull]

what

no clue what the hell you just said

[lucid mauve]

Seriously ? tell me what you didnt understand

[limber hull]

all of it, it's worded extremely bizarrely and I have no idea what your point is

[rare fractal]

Bleed damage is a thing

You're not gonna be tanking a hit from a trike as anything and simply cycling in and out...if you even land a hit at all

[limber hull]

trike will likely slaughter allos in only 2-3 hits, if we go off the metric of stego. Seems like risky business to bother fighting them

[lucid mauve]

Ok let me put it easy then. If rex didnt have bone break in legacy and you reduced it damage in half. You could be in a pack of allos and just trade bites. And the rex would bleed out.

thats pot balance.

[rare fractal]

rex in pot is busted so no clue what you really mean

[lucid mauve]

In pot balance world yes-.

Even tho im dizzy after every fight i have in that game, since i need to hit something 20 times

[limber hull]

and thats legacy, which was balanced horribly. Reducing any animal's damage by half and removing the mechanic it used to win fights probably would weaken it, yea, i fail to see the point

[lucid mauve]

My point in evrima, is that if a giga not gonna one shot even a teno. Its bad. If it can oneshot or on someway kill it fast with ability, im fine.

[lucid mauve]

The point was that you would have won that match before it even started, since you would only need to trade bites. No skill/timing needed.

[limber hull]

if we reduced allo's bite by half, you would win the fight before it started

[lucid mauve]

No, then it depends on how many allos you are.

[limber hull]

if we reduced literally any creature that relies on combat's damage to half, it would suck

no, allo is just a bad animal in that scenario

no one is packing up to compensate for the garbage allo

you could also just... pack up the rexes to compensate for the lower damage????

i didn't know we were allowed to bring in as many hypothetical teammates as we wanted here

[lucid mauve]

Yes, u can pack up rexes. My point is that its about how many you are , not skills.

I dont think evrima balance gonna be like that, i hope im gonna fear lets say allo as utah.

But i dont want to fear it after it got an ambush on me, i want to know that i need to pay attention if not i can get killed.

[rare fractal]

why...you can just run in the opposite direction and be fine

jump on a rock

[limber hull]

lmao true

[rare fractal]

If allo is gonna be an ambusher it'll likely have poor stam...utah has the best sprinting stam in the game next to dryo at 105 seconds

[lucid mauve]

yes, if the utah sees the allo. No problem, no way allo gonna run and kill a utah running from the allo.

But if you are playing allo, and that utah dont see you until your close enough to attack it. Then the utah should be in big problem.

[limber hull]

obviously

but it shouldn't press LMB and the utah dies

[lapis swallow]

Doesnt dryo have 120 seconds of stam?

[lucid mauve]

Why not ? ofcoruse it should , how you gonna catch the utha then ? After that its gonna be running

[limber hull]

so you want allo to do as much damage as a deino

[lucid mauve]

If they are 2 utahs, you gonna be focusing on the one biting your as

[limber hull]

and you see zero problem with this conceptually

[lucid mauve]

No, but with ability it should take a utah down.

If not you gonna have huge problem hunting them as allo, cus normally its not only 1 utah

[lapis swallow]

Maybe omnis just wont ve viable food for allo, cause of their speed and stam

[limber hull]

they probably wont be, lol

[lucid mauve]

Thats another thing, but if utah dont fear allo in any way. They gonna be killing allos left and right.

[limber hull]

wh

no one is saying omni shouldn't be concerned about allo

but no one wants allos to just go around with a 450+ bite force because they simply HAVE to one-tap

[lapis swallow]

No, they can run from them, but not engage in a fight with them

What do you guys think about the more effective bucking btw?

[limber hull]

i feel like you fail to realise the difference between defensive power and offensive power

[lucid mauve]

If i can play utah, and dont die from a ambush/or not paying attention from an allo. Or do more or less faceting an allo,knowing im not gonna die.

[limber hull]

something doesn't need to one-tap to be a threat to fight

[rare fractal]

yep

[lucid mauve]

No, but then its numbers. I dont wanne be in a pack of lets say allos. And see solo trike, and go like " lets kill" i wanne go "lets try kill it knowning i can die from a mistake"

[limber hull]

yea, you probably will because trike is a defensive powerhouse, its very unlikely that trike being unable to instantly kill an allo makes it trash tier

trike has no real reason TO be instantly killing allos

[lucid mauve]

if they do mistakes , i dont see any problem with that. If not i can just walk away and say "nah sorry im out"

[limber hull]

and i dont see whats wrong with calling it quits and retreating

[lucid mauve]

Im talking with ability, not mormaø

[limber hull]

not every fight has to be to the death

[lucid mauve]

normal

[limber hull]

trike can win decisively against a pack of allos without killing any if the allos quickly realise they're in way over their heads

[lapis swallow]

@limber hull are you in the ST? Because I just learned about stronger bucking and I wanna know how much it affects the fight

Or are you not in the ST?

[limber hull]

Yea, I am

[lucid mauve]

That is true, but what about carnis then ?

[lapis swallow]

So how is the stronger bucking?

[lucid mauve]

Who needs food

[limber hull]

carnis will likely have tools to stop their prey from leaving in the first place

bleed, fracture, stuns or grabs are all mechanics that have been displayed heavily in concept arts

[lucid mauve]

Well then we agree, if a giga can take a allo down with abiility im fine. Cus i wanne fear it knowning i can die

[limber hull]

for example, giga is shown as a bleeding tracker god. It would hit the allo with an insane level of bleed, track the animal a great distance as it drained itself of blood trying to escape, then finish it as it rested quickly

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but what you gonna do if they are 2 allos ?

[limber hull]

bite them both lol

[lucid mauve]

lol yea, but what if you only hit one.

[limber hull]

if they keep fighting, they'll be working on the clock

due to the insane bleed

[lucid mauve]

What if they are 3 , they gonna starve you out : P

[limber hull]

if you can't hit one of two allos as a giga in a fight, and you die, you probably aren't a very good giga

[lucid mauve]

Thats true, and thats why i hope skill comes over numbers.

Im not good at all in anything in evrima, so im fine dying knowing whatever attacked me was just better. But seeing someone do mistakes after mistakes and still kill me, its just sad.

[lucid mauve]

bucking is the most uninteractive thing ive ever seen in a game, i push a button lol. But what changes ?

[valid pasture]

Why is utahraptor called omniraptor now?? Nobody wanted it to change names

[urban flax]

A lot of people actually did

[valid pasture]

And honnestly what do you guys thing of update 6 stress test, i personally find it verry dissapointing, we wait so long and we dont even get a dinosaur

[valid pasture]

Why tho

[lucid mauve]

What you mean, i can finally change color on eyes. Had to wait almost half a year : P

[valid pasture]

I hope that is sarcasm

[lucid mauve]

yea : P

[valid pasture]

Good lol

[urban flax]

Because people don't want to call utahraptor something that is nothing like an utahraptor

[valid pasture]

Like honnestly this update should not have taken this long to get a stress test at all

[lucid mauve]

Look at what we discuss, they change a name on a dino after an update. We should have better stuff to discuss after such a long waiting time : P

[valid pasture]

Almost not a single dino is paleontolically correct and ppl complain bout utah lol

[lucid mauve]

I mean it is the best dino game in this genre, it looks good it is quality. But darn it takes times

[valid pasture]

But the utah part doesnt really matter, its just weirf

[urban flax]

There's also the fact that devs are going to release a more accurate utah someday in the future

[valid pasture]

Cant think like that anymore or youll accept it

[valid pasture]

Lmao then they should add a correct version of every dino or make a it customizable

[urban flax]

Maybe they should
Personnally I think it's fine to have inaccurate dinos, but omniraptor is so ugly I'm glad it's no longer being called a utah
Also I hope this leads to better balance change, like it no more weighing 450 kg because irl utah did, although omniraptor should realistically weigh 300 kg at most

[valid pasture]

What my point just is, is that nobody can say that this update was worth the wait, we waited bassically a year or something just to receive gore (wich is cool but should never have taken so long) a new name for utah, more clear water and eye collering, it is just sad that we wait so long for something new and refreshing yet we get so little in such a long time

[rare fractal]

It's the best update since U3 with absolutely zero competition....must I go down the list of things it fixed?

[valid pasture]

IMO they should just keep the name and model as imo its nice and the game should not be centered about realism or you get saurian

[rare fractal]

Realism = Saurian gameplay....lmao

[valid pasture]

You may say that but was it worth waiting an entire year

[rare fractal]

we waited 4 months

[valid pasture]

No need to get salty or toxic mate

[urban flax]

Didn't say it should. But I said that I'm glad our scrawny goblin jp raptor isn't being called and utahraptor anymore

[rare fractal]

point me to the toxicity, cuz I'm entirely neutral

[valid pasture]

Im just stating my opinion

[urban flax]

Aren't we all ?

[valid pasture]

5 months but fair enough honnestly

[rare fractal]

Isn't all of human thought and expression an opinion?

[valid pasture]

Still a long time to receive this little and that is just a fact

[rare fractal]

We received less in U5 and that one took even longer tbh

[valid pasture]

I aint saying its not but lets just stop since there is no point in argueing

[urban flax]

Can't say
I haven't played the update

[rare fractal]

There isn't? Alright...was looking forward to a discussion

cya round

[tepid gate]

Ez solution for that - make it so that an attack from an animal sufficiently larger than the one getting attacked CCs the attacked animal e.g. - if a T.rex bites a Carno, that Carno just drops on the ground. I mean realistically it could maybe survive the bite but it wouldn't be standing afterwards.

This way the damage output of apexes isn't completely absurd while still making them terrifyingly dangerous to approach for animals that are much smaller than them.

[tepid gate]

He says that PoT has this system where larger animals don't oneshot those that are smaller than them. It results in smaller animals walking into them, tanking them for a bit, then disengaging to heal up and slowly wearing them down. And yea - he's right about that, there are some that are relatively immune to this but even a small group of smaller animals just bodies big ones if they play it right.

[tepid gate]

...and yet they're still nerfed, their hp pools and weights are both proportionally lower than that of the rest of the roster

[limber hull]

and yet they remained dominant

[tepid gate]

Yea because people like playing apexes, Giganoto was still played when it was an absolute joke of an animal, same goes for T.rex back on the patch where it was just an absolutely atrocious piece of garbage in the late 2018

There were more T.rexes around than Trikes despite the fact that at the time you could run over 2 Rexes at once with a single Trike

People will play them no matter what and don't lie to yourself - the moment they release in Evrima they will likely take over the roster.

smaller animals running away willy-nilly after getting hit by something 3 times their size would indeed be the worst balance in the history of this game as ronninjo said

[limber hull]

i literally have no clue what i said has to do with thinking apexes wont be played???

[tepid gate]

well you said they're "dominant" idk what else you could mean by that, Giga was indeed absolute death to smaller tiers

Rex however was killable by smaller animals

wasn't even particularly hard

and no - I'm not talking about no alt turn

you could kill a T.rex with 3-4 Allos on alt turn

Giga was killable only be some large groups of Dilos or Utahs and they suffered heavy losses

and then Spino was actually borderline untouchable but it was just broken all around

[limber hull]

also did some dude just seriously come in here and suggest that new dinos be released in a goddamn battlepass

i dont think that satisfies the community at all

in fact, i'd argue that'd be a killing blow to the isle developers in terms of reputation and respect

[mystic harness]

literal day of dragons cash grab DLCs

probably the worst suggestion i have ever seen

[limber hull]

"stop working on the core mechanics and solely focus on playables"
"make the playables behind a paid gamepass"

why

the core mechanics are VITAL

they're literally what's holding back the playables lmao

if they start spamming in new playables, they have to each be updated for the new mechanics, rather than being added with the mechanics already implemented, and thus more easily integrated with said mechanics

hell, U6 was stated to be the final update in terms of holding the floodgates shut that made it so hard to implement dinos in the first place

I guarantee you, once we get gore, migrations and Gateway, we'll be seeing a LOT more dinosaurs (seeing as we'll actually have a variety of biomes that they can inhabit, rather than an island full of the same stuff)

[tepid gate]

elders and perks I think

we might need those too

[limber hull]

perhaps. It wasn't stated to be AS vital as gore was

[tepid gate]

When Punch was asked yesterday about what other core mechanics the game will need after gore he said "elders and perks"

I think it was about the dino-side of the game of course

[limber hull]

Dondi has also stated U7 may be massive in terms of what it actually adds

[limber hull]

Yea, current roadmap is focused entirely on dinos

[austere axle]

@gentle briar man, I got your point and I feel the same, but I think this is not something debatable anymore. Devs made crystal clear that they'll finish core mechanics first for their reasons (code related). And that's it. Ask for more playables won't bring them, because it's not functional. Actually, it's kind of developing backwards. So playables will always be last priority unless they bring these core mechanics mentioned. What I believe we could ask for is agility. Better management, better communication and keep waiting... 🥲

[limber hull]

Once we're done with U9, we may see more human mechanics worked on (alongside playables)

[tepid gate]

Hey, there are some people upvoting that

[limber hull]

they see "more playables" and ape brain activates

also one is the bot and the other is OP

so one person upvoted it lol

[tepid gate]

WELL - still

in that case let me re-iterate:

there was SOMEONE who upvoted that

[austere axle]

It's a genuine request. We have a dino game with no dinos. Actually, it's an horror survival with humans. But with no humans. And no dinos 🙃. It's confusing haha

[limber hull]

People are really glossing over the fact he's asking for a system which locks new playables behind a paywall

[austere axle]

I got to the point where all I can have is faith hahaha. It'll be finished and perfect someday. And then we shall see heaven

[austere axle]

Desperate times

[limber hull]

just bring in playable dinos despite the roadmap core to appease the community

but to sell them in the form of a game pass. to generate more money again (which undoubtedly only comes from players who do not own the game) the majority of them have owned it for a very long time (since Lagacy) and have not had to invest a bit of money since then and still got updates as well as Evrima ( which is a whole new game )

This would be so much salt in the wound

Desperate times call for reputation suicide and killing the game?

[mystic harness]

if the dev team need funding, they should just set up a patreon or kickstarter

don't force people into DLCs

[limber hull]

I don't think you understand how much of a spit in the face releasing a batch of new dinos and then forcing people to pay up is

[austere axle]

Never. I'm against this suggestions. But I understand the desperation

[limber hull]

Especially as a game which relies on a varied ecosystem

[austere axle]

Core mechanics first

[tepid gate]

they don't

[limber hull]

they have said so many times they don't need/want funding

[mystic harness]

ahh ok

[austere axle]

It seems like a management issue

[gentle briar]

Yes, of course I understand that too, but somehow I would find the other way easier for all the haters and the devs with profit distribution even xD

So let's be honest, the devs don't earn anything from the game at the moment (even if only very little), which of course is just a guess

presumably they work for free on the game FOR US
Possibly also in your free time after your actual work. O_O

it would be a win for both sides ^^

[limber hull]

This is their job

They have made it clear several times they are good on cash

People are being paid adequately, they have no side jobs and this isn't their free time hobby

[austere axle]

That's why it feels unfair to wait 4 months for gore. Gore is cool and all but .. 4 months?
*Not 6, but 4 and a half months

[limber hull]

You're making up theories that the devs themselves dispute

[uneven mist]

It was 4 and a half

[austere axle]

Thx

[limber hull]

The Isle as a project is exceptionally large in scale and ambitious. They are also working on more than just gore. New map, migrations, scar system, new playables, weather, humans are all examples of things that they've been working on.

[polar tiger]

devs have a gained plenty of money over the years, especially with all the alt accounts. also they are working for money and themselves, not for “us”. they’ve made that clear lol

[limber hull]

I don't think that's true at all lol

If they were working for money, and for themselves, they'd take these "generous donations" through patreon or as some people have offered to give

But they don't, they consistently turn down any suggestion to crowdfund

[gentle briar]

Yes, that's right, I also wrote that I'm just guessing ^^

[limber hull]

They'd also rush out more updates in a faster, yet sloppier state to farm the hype train for every penny it has. If they really wanted more money, they'd just oversaturate the game with undercooked playables

[austere axle]

That's why I feel it seems like a management problem

And yes, they're really ambitious. That's why I keep believing in the project. And um pretty sure they'll deliver it sometime. And the game will be great

[limber hull]

They're genuinely passionate about what they're doing, but the constant shitstorm from the community does dampen that spark a little

[austere axle]

Shitstorm from the community?

[polar tiger]

well my point is, Dondi has a dream and a concept that hes gonna see happen no matter the results, whether the community wants it or not. If they don’t like it they “can leave” as said before many times. I’d say they are working for Dondi. And i said they’re also working for money since well, they get paid. They’re not doing it for free xD

[limber hull]

You can't please everyone, and I can guarantee you, Dondi's not the only one who likes his vision for the game

[tepid gate]

They don't work for free what... They get paid for their work and this game has made quite a lot of money over the years with its sales. It is definitely a success for an indi-game.

Not quite Ark-level but still a resounding financial success nevertheless

[austere axle]

Couldn't get to play Ark. The idea sounds great but punch trees to collect wood is too much for my limited mind hahah

[polar tiger]

Right I wasn’t talking about that at all, missed my point. I was saying that this game is a dream of Dondi’s, whether the whole community HATES it and leaves or whether everyone loves it and donates one million dollars. It’ll be done how Dondi wants it to be done

[austere axle]

And I think that's great. That's what gives personality to the project. Haters gonna hate haha. Just feel like they need management advise

[polar tiger]

Exactly. What makes great games is the passion behind the game designer

[limber hull]

I think being dedicated to a game vision is better than flip-flopping depending on the latest community outcry

[gentle briar]

if you say it with that certainty then it must be true

for the future I could imagine that there will be game passes as you can see in the roadmap an update (U9) already has a pass in its name xD

[austere axle]

Except when it's clearly a good feedback. Eg the initial night vision and it's real life impacts

[limber hull]

And they changed that, while keeping their original ideas for NV intact

[polar tiger]

Yeah, the game designer has to have a set concept in stone right from the beginning. If you change it multiple times throughout development then the fan base in the earliest stages get upset. BoB is an example

[tepid gate]

Yea I know that they get paid. QA and Stress Testers as well as admins/mods don't as those are voluntary roles that accept people from the community but the devs do.

They also said on multiple occasions that the funding for the game is secure and they don't need more of it to make this game.

The only thing they need is time.

and probably some luck

[limber hull]

BoB is a pretty solid example of just ideas being handed to a guy who just blindly chucks them at the roof and see which stick

[austere axle]

Guess n1 strategy should be remove all devs from this discord and hire a real community manager. No more streams, devblogs or messages without this CM approval. This should mitigate confusion and mis-hypes

[austere axle]

Yeah. Time for them, patience for us. But they could improve efficiency to deliver better and faster. And that would help us keep patient

[limber hull]

i disagree with all of that

[gentle briar]

Thank you for this information. Now I don't have to muster up as much sympathy for the devs, but the last few days were certainly very exhausting if you followed the displeasure of the people.

[tepid gate]

They could improve a whole bunch of things but I don't want to go on another rant about how they do completely useless stuff that's not needed which makes them waste time.

[limber hull]

first of all, "real community manager". We already have a community manager, unless this is just a way to say you hate Punch. Second of all, I actually happen to like having devs interact with people and actually talk to people, rather than sit completely isolated from the community

[tepid gate]

I have but despite the fact that I criticised the hell out of this game for the past year - I'm actually happy with what I've heard about this update so far

[tepid gate]

Yea I'm actually with you on that

[polar tiger]

Well it’s not that hard to make those people content. They just want an apology, honesty, transparency

[tepid gate]

I'd rather have them do the Dondi-thing than throw some of the corporate speak at me

[limber hull]

i despise corporate speak

i would infinitely rather Dondi brashly pointing out that someone's wrong to some dude talking like a tech support online help desk

[tepid gate]

^

[limber hull]

i've had enough experience with watered down, family friendly, soulless, personality-void, "here to help yet exceptionally unhelpful" community managers in my time

i much rather talking to real people

[low canopy]

dondis way is to hype stuff up with teasers and not deliver though, both are bad

[limber hull]

i'd rather this to radio silence

because i've had radio silence

this is so much better

[polar tiger]

Where at?

[austere axle]

That's the dangerous side of internet. Never said I hate Punch. I'm not fully following this disc, generally get my news on the isle news update.
To be honest, didn't even know punch is the CM. But now that I do, I believe he could review his methods to improve. Eg that discussion about migration and gateway that was over hyped posted on devblog.
He could have checked that text. Could have made it clear this changes wouldn't come now. And even if you knew that, it was not clear for everyone as it should be.

And for the interaction, guess I didn't make my self clear. I said that devblogs, streams and all should carefully have their content reviewed before becoming public. And that by disc should only be made with the CM

[limber hull]

used to work in Northwood Studios as a Lead Game Designer (SCP:Secret Laboratory devs). Watching our PR team sit there and leave our community in the dark for months on end and trying my best to feed them what scraps I could without getting a talking to was awful

[polar tiger]

Sounds brutal, def not a situation you’d wanna be in. Did you quit right after?

[limber hull]

Eh

Nah, I love game design

But it was brutal, they basically have no initiative to share info with anyone but patrons, and even patrons get little to nothing (although there's been some improvements since my time there)

[austere axle]

That's sad, man

[polar tiger]

What skills did you have to pick up to be a game designer? Did they ever want you to learn a game engine, programming, modeling etc?

[limber hull]

You NEVER want radio silence

[polar tiger]

Definitely not. Silence is torture xD

[limber hull]

Phase Three is a blessing from the gods above and I am thankful for every post, even if it's just concept art

An update every week on development

And then we get the monthly devlogs

[polar tiger]

Yeah when I make my game I’m gonna be 100% honest and give updates on any piece of development. Im learning what not to do by following a lot of these games xD

[safe hearth]

@gentle briar
I would pay for dinosaurs. whether DLC or Gamepass (also for cosmetics).
it can also ensure that the servers are not flooded with Apexes like in legacy.
which was also boring.

[limber hull]

@quasi spruce humans are getting proxy vc

[quasi spruce]

That’s cool
I can see a lot of annoying situations coming up with that but hopefully any trolls get eaten lmao

[young hornet]

Yea and the devs said dinos will hear it like radio static

[quasi spruce]

Ohhhhh ok

Maybe walkie beeps as well would be cool.
Exciting

[valid pasture]

I was wrong (: there is indeed a lil more to the update than i said, saw a yt vid and was dissapointed af but after seeing the isle news channel her vid i know a bit more about it, IMO the update still is not the greatest but its a lil better then first saw, still a shame imo that we dont see a new dinosaur added to the roster, but that will come ig hope the new map gets implemented soon aswell since spiro kinda bad lol

[lament lagoon]

Which channel is It to request Stress test

[gentle briar]

I see that the same way ^^ Thank you

[icy lion]

Applications are closed, but will be shared in #announcements when they reopen

[lament lagoon]

Ok

[gentle briar]

But a big problem could be that there is a risk of getting a Pay to Win model depending on which dinosaurs are in the pass I'll say Season 2 is coming 😦

Pay to win would of course be totally against what The Isle embodies to me and it could be exploited by some players. then probably rather free updates as before. although it's really hard for me to imagine that the lagacy version still makes so much money in Europe the game only costs 19 euros and is therefore very cheap for what Evrima offers now and will also offer in the future (my feeling)

🤔

[fossil pagoda]

That would be horrible. It would divide players among those aiming to pay and those that don't or can't, getting closer to those pay-to-win games. Plus, talking about DLCs for an unfinished game is completely nuts

[crystal trail]

Keep in mind that i share what information I can. I'm always looking for ways I can improve our communication channels, but I still have an NDA to abide by.

[safe hearth]

who said that something like this should come now?
something like that would only make sense if it's out of the beta/early access/whatever.
I don't see why it should be pay to win just because you have the dinosaurs you want?
isle is a survival game and not street fighter.

to think that all 53 dinosaurs will get released before the isle is go to the public branch, is crazy.
I think a lot of dinosaur will come after quality of life- update.

[bleak bison]

@gentle briar

[bleak bison]

People have problems with how they communicate,having communication from the devs is good,but having good communication from the devs is better.

[gentle briar]

😂 😱

[gentle briar]

I don't know what you want to tell me with that. you just talked about good/better communication xD I think you missed your goal, you lost me ^^

[bleak bison]

Oh no I meant to @ you😈

I hate the idea of paying for dinosaurs or having them behind any sort of pay wall.

+the devs have always refused excess money from the community

+they’ve made million from this game

+they always say financially they’re fine

So IF they did put dinos behind a pay wall itd seem like they’re just interested in our kine(£)

Also I highly doubt any of the devs do the amount of work they do for free

[gentle briar]

okay I understand your objections ^_-
I also hope that you understand that I assumed. So I don't know if what I'm writing is actually true.

In the end I thought it was a good idea if my guess could be true.

However, it has been pointed out several times that there is enough money and that no support from the community is desired.

My thoughts were purely towards a positive development in the outrage and hate wave that is currently hitting the devs many times -.-

[bleak bison]

Ahh my boy I can only apologise. I wish you well 🙏🏼💎

[safe hearth]

Same here :3

[uneven mist]

@cursive dock here’s the fix: #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 message

[heady quarry]

@cursive dock there’s a #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 channel for when you encounter bugs.

[crystal trail]

@quasi spruce One of our ideas for humans talking is that dinosaurs would perceive it as radio static/noises. That way it fits the theme whilst also making it so you can't understand the humans.

And it doesn't sound like Sim speak

[quasi spruce]

Sounds cool :))

[hasty radish]

same

[gentle briar]

@sage yew
wow that is very realistic and natural I like it a lot

It increases the survival aspect extremely

I like this idea very much it would actually put the players more into the dino and also make them think more like this as a player

At the moment it's more like I'm a person who plays a dino and KILLLLLLLLS xD

[safe hearth]

True and a tiny bit sad

go/life for the kill
if you have a fascination with animals, you can play the isle in a different way. and gain more from it.

[meager barn]

thats exactly what I suggested!! I Love that idea, although simlish would also be quite funny to hear lol

[sage yew]

some LOST vibes

[harsh jungle]

I think sim speak or some kind of voice changer (maybe not pitch but some kind of distortion) applied for proximity chat would be good. That way you can maybe slightly understand the speech by tone of voice and other factors the same way you can more or less get what someone wants to tell you if theyre speaking a different language.

If it was only radio static it would remove screams, conversations etc and make finding humans a game of going to where the noise is the loudest

[proud coral]

I still hope for a way to have at least tone and volume be intelligible from human static so we can tell if they're panicking or not <:P

[sage yew]

some concepts of how it could look like
(quick and dirty, just ideas)

[fallow marten]

maybe a little less blurry but yeah i wouldn't mind that

[proud coral]

@queen ember They've stated the reason for no humans on officials is because due to the fact they cannot properly defend themselves, they are essentially free food (which is bad for obvious reasons.) They're unofficial only though as a way to explore from a new perspective as well as players asking for ways to make documentaries in first person.

[queen ember]

I can understand not having them in because they can’t do much. But having them there because people wanna make documentaries? I’m all for that but why is that prioritized over like anything else rn

To me personally it just seems like a excuse to have them when they aren’t needed rn

[robust dome]

I think what is behind the character but like a bit far should be barely generated. People will not exploit looking behind while eating and we could get fps boosts

[sage yew]

many projects probably run parallel to each other and at some point you'll need some data as a developer

[sage yew]

#general-feedback message

[normal lotus]

Btw I heard stress test came out. How's the diet and gore?

[robust dome]

Gore lacks blood. Diet cool

[robust dome]

Ha yes thats what I meant. A bit sad it didnt get a lot of checkmarks cuz thats a good idea

[normal lotus]

Is it what they said?

[robust dome]

Its what we saw, youtube etc.. go and check

[robust dome]

https://youtu.be/w4_Ifq2Yttc

Btw once they got a lot of playables, the weather, migration and every core emcanic in.

What will the rest of the team do when there will basically only be a need for the part that was working on dinod

[normal lotus]

I am very excited for this update

Just looking at that video makes me want to EXPLODE

[crystal trail]

I'm not sure I understand your question, Could you rephrase that?

[robust dome]

What will the rest of the team do ( so not programers and animators and idk who) do when every core mechanic will be in the game and that the team will only work on dinos

(And that humans are finished)

Because there is a part of the team dedicated to dknosaurs and one to humans... etc...

[crystal trail]

There's a thousand different ways we could go. One idea we've always tossed around for years is the idea of maybe making a full-fledged underwater expansion pack. But that's far out, like game finished far out

[robust dome]

Oh ok good

[robust dome]

Expansion pack as in DlC ?

[crystal trail]

Yeah, but DLC is something we'll never do until the game is finished. It's pretty tacky when games try to trickle & dime their playerbase with DLC or paid extras when the game isn't even finished yet.

[robust dome]

Hum hum EA hum hum Ubisoft hum

So free dlc?

[silent arrow]

Do you think gateway will come before next years summer?

[robust dome]

Ping him if u want he answer cuz he might not see.
But imo he just wont tell you since that ETA

[crystal trail]

I'm afraid I'm not allowed to share ETA info

[barren zephyr]

@crystal trail hey I have a quick question for the next major update, update 7
It is about the elder system right? So my question is do we get more playables besides beipi and troodon bevor you guys finishes the elder system or will it be like the other core micanics?
Thanks for asking if u do

[robust dome]

most likely Cera/galli but idk if anything else

[quasi spruce]

Is gateway planned to come out whenever it is ready (like night vision did) or will it be alongside a major update

[limber hull]

night vision came out with the NV update tho?

like it was on the roadmap

it wasn't just randomly released because it was done, that was a planned update for it

[quasi spruce]

It was 5.5

It was delayed I think

[icy lion]

Night vision was 5.5

I don't think it was meant to come earlier

Unless you mean the old roadmap from ~1yr ago which... I cannot remember for the life of me lmao

[uneven mist]

If I remember, nv in the old roadmap was in update 6 with troodon, dilo and venom/poison

[meager barn]

correct

[regal brook]

oh no

this is bad holy

bro the new update screwed alot of stuff up

the camera lock?

oh boy

[violet magnet]

@dapper mirage IMO it'd be cool if the dinos had some kind of PauseEat animation, where if they turned their head too far to look around they would visually "stop eating" but the game would still register them as "eating", so when they turned their head back to the body they'd just immediately start eating again (i.e. hold down E for the duration but still able to move the mouse and turn your head)

[limber hull]

i like the camera lock, idk what you're on about

@modern robin NV scales with age. Your NV improves as you grow older

[modern robin]

explains y i couldnt see anything as a baby carno but it was still way to small even if it does extend it should be at least somewhat bigger while small

[limber hull]

you can also improve your NV through diets, eating lipids or the two lines nutrient makes your NV much larger

[modern robin]

hard to do that when i cant see far enough to kill anything

similar feeling to a cave in pokemon before you use flash just the immediate area around u is lit its not enough

[feral solstice]

That’s a freaking amazing idea

[bronze bison]

i agree the camera lock function is really cool. i, personally, love walking down the street while eating mcdonalds and then getting mugged because i can't look back over my shoulder while im chewing. god bless this change, god bless the devs 🙏 🕊️ 😌

[limber hull]

you cant look through the back of your head while eating a burger, no

[bronze bison]

true but we have necks that allow us to turn our heads

[limber hull]

i personally think its cool that there's actually a moment of vulnerability now. All I'd want is the range in which you can look be slightly increased, that's all

[bronze bison]

i can confirm this, today i went to a diner and turned my head to talk to someone who was sitting in the booth behind me

[limber hull]

you aren't really shoving your entire neck into the food tho, are you

[obsidian jetty]

did you do that while biting into your burger? or between bites?

[limber hull]

you can do this in the isle too, stop eating and turn your nexk

[bronze bison]

?

[modern robin]

it just reminds me during region 2 when it took a few seconds to completely stop eating and drinking its a forced vulnerability that sucks things eat and are on alert constantly and u can eat and look behind u its not hard

[bronze bison]

i love spending hours growing my funny dino that ive known since it was just a wee hatchling, only to watch it die because funny dev said "no moving le camera xD" personally my favorite experience in any video game

[obsidian jetty]

how many dinos have you lost to that so far? If I may ask

[bronze bison]

it's all fun and games until the day it happens to you

[obsidian jetty]

none, I take it

[bronze bison]

sir you are doing a little too much trolling, surely you arent defending forced visibility limitation

[obsidian jetty]

and no, it's all fun and games period. My job in this game is to survive. If I fail for whatever reason - and not hearing someone come up behind me is one of them - then I failed.

I actually am defending it, because I like it

[bronze bison]

tell that to the stego rapidly approaching your location making no sound

[obsidian jetty]

there should not be a stego making no sound. So if you're saying that a locked camera requires reliable sound, I'm right there with you

[regal brook]

yo

i jsut got kicked to sm????????????????????????

[bronze bison]

it does require reliable sound

locked camera still bad mechanic tho

my dino has a neck, let him use it

[obsidian jetty]

he can use the neck as long as his head's not inside the belly of another dinosaur or something. you are aware of the fact that you can...kinda avoid that by grabbing food and swallowing it instead of just brain-afk holding e, right?

[bronze bison]

so they may as well delete hold E to eat animations then cuz there's a new meta in town

save a lot on the animation budget

[obsidian jetty]

there's no meta...it's just...if you don't feel safe, don't shove your head into another dinosaur

[bronze bison]

"if you dont want to die then dont use a core mechanic as intended" brilliant

[obsidian jetty]

wha? that's not what I said

you can position yourself (and the body you're eating) in a way that you can't be ambushed from behind

dragging bodies...another core mechanic

[bronze bison]

the bad dino that wants to ambush me remembering that it can go behind me at any angle and i cant turn my camera to face it

https://tenor.com/view/sageyonce-gif-20853661

[obsidian jetty]

you haven't even played the update yet, have you?

[bronze bison]

yeah and i died to an allo pack because of this change

[obsidian jetty]

allo?

[bronze bison]

yeah

[obsidian jetty]

ok, uhm, either you haven't played the update or you don't know what an allo is

[bronze bison]

it had 2 horns, i dont rember its name

oh wait, i remember. it was dilophosaurus

its name means double crested lizard, two horns

yea i died to a pack of dilos cause i couldnt turn my camera

[obsidian jetty]

mhm...you are aware that you just named 2 dinosaurs that aren't even in the version in question? So I am still not sure what we're talking about here 😄

[bronze bison]

it was the dilophotaurus

[obsidian jetty]

that's a cool hybrid I'd sure like to see

[bronze bison]

its not a hybrid its real, its in evrima

its the big one that charges

[obsidian jetty]

ok, I'm sorry. I will stop and just assume that you're talking about the Carnotaurus.

[bronze bison]

lol yea whatever bud, dont try to gaslight me like that

carnotaurus was invented in 2000 for a disney movie, quit trolling

oh, sorry wait my bad

you arent trolling me

i get a bit too silly sometimes

yeah i died to a carno pack

[obsidian jetty]

dw, I'm actually enjoying this ngl...aaanyway, to not let this get out of hand: I don't think it's a bad mechanic, I like it. Makes you pay more attention to your surroundings before you start eating/drinking and as far as I am concerned...if someone has the patience to wait and time their ambush to get me while I am vulnerable and distracted, that's well played on their part. It's a survival game. Sometimes you just...die.

[bronze bison]

too many words, im not reading that. locked camera bad

[rotund quarry]

We really don’t need another pay-to-win season pass scam. It’s ruined many games already. Probably one of the worst suggestions Ive ever heard of. They have made plenty of income to finish The Isle.

[carmine kettle]

Where do you see this?

[violet magnet]

if they haven't fixed the audio bug that limits it so you can only hear things that are in your camera's view, meaning that something can sneak up behind you and literally make no sound until it's in your camera and right on top of you, then there are stegos that make no sound

[obsidian jetty]

that is true but that's something that shouldn't happen anyway, locked camera or not.

[violet magnet]

it shouldn't happen, but if it still does, then having the camera locked forces us into an extremely vulnerable position where we can't turn our cameras around while we eat to look/listen for threats

[rotund quarry]

#general-feedback message

[tiny island]

i have to say the camera lock when eating and drinking is interesting and adds a form of tension as it makes you less aware i feel it would be better to have it where while you're eating and or drinking you can look to your sides and behind you but it will stop the eating/drinking animation that you can be alert but the trade is diving your focus between eating/drinking or looking around this would feel natural as to what any animal would normally do.

[lost plinth]

just dropped a whole ass book report in general feedback what you up to lads

[crystal trail]

Can I borrow your time machine

I wanna redo my lottery numbers

[desert quarry]

@idle yarrow - I also have/had issues with the lighting as you are talking about. But I just downloaded today's update and the lighting is different. It's much more pleasant on the eyes than Update 5's lighting.

[idle yarrow]

I have the latest update though & it looks funny.

Any space that's far away like the field, is super light and anything close is dim and the grass that's on top looks strange as it doesn't match the lighting. This is all coming from a flying perspective

Sorry I dunno how else to put it but the lighting from the ground to the shrubs/grass isn't the same when viewing from a great distance

Edit:I've noticed this flying around in the North West over the flat grass

[desert quarry]

Some shrubs do seem too bright. I am also flying.

[idle yarrow]

I dont know if I'm allowed to post a picture but the contast between light and dark is too much to put it simply. It looks sort of.. fake?

[young hornet]

I feel the same way. If you have a overlay program like GeForce experience it helps I just played with the contrast and brightness and now the day looks a lot better

the shadows are still very dark tho

[livid burrow]

the night darkness is unfortunate but i cant think of a better way to deal with people upping gamma or using reshade/gshade :(

[crystal trail]

@minor reef Teno didn't get nerfed. You misread the patchnotes, the stamina buck damage is the stamina damage inflicted upon the Omniraptor. So when the Omniraptor is getting bucked, the Omni loses more stamina than he used to due to the buck. Also, I'd advise that in your future feedback posts you refrain from making backhanded comments such as "Do you even know what you are doing?" If you want us to take any of your posts seriously. Thank you.

[lament solstice]

Hello, I have a question when are we getting beipi or any dinosaur is it going to be in 2022? Thx

[lapis swallow]

maybe (big maybe) well get troodon

[fleet wasp]

@fallow marten, you can turn off name tags if you go to character page > group, then go to the top middle, toggle the second option "group name tags"

[fallow marten]

I still wanna know who I am talking to while trying to play though

[atomic plinth]

any chance we get a full list of upcoming dinos or potentiel dinos?

[manic thicket]

nope the devs are just gonna keep lying straight too our faces

[uneven mist]

[uneven mist]

Well the ones we know are troodon, beipi, Galli and cera and I think Herrera too, some are theories like austro/bary and dibble being not far behind those

[prime orchid]

@minor reef what teno nerf?

[uneven mist]

It didn’t get any nerf, idk where people got that from

[prime orchid]

I'm investigating cause it's genuinely annoying me.. But I guess I should stop

[harsh jungle]

what does thrashing do ?

[near cairn]

@ punch, maybe you should delete that feedback as i thought teno were actually nerfed from reading it

[robust dome]

Rop of the skin from carcasses ^^

[harsh jungle]

doesnt biting the corpse do that as well ?

[robust dome]

Well its thrashing but if you can hold the thing in your mouth then apparently your dino will do lefts and rights to get the organs on the ground

[mystic harness]

@rare fractal even just an external guide on the main menu or even on a website would be great as well

[near cairn]

The user rampages and attacks for two to three turns. It then becomes confused, however

[limber hull]

@rare pagoda the old ptera flight could literally fly backwards with its turn radius, i'd much rather this turn radius, actually feels like a flying animal

[desert quarry]

@shell zephyr I agree so much with the pteradon flight. It feels... off now. And the camera zoom needs to be reverted too. I feel so sloppy now on ptera, and that's my main!

[desert quarry]

Ah,.... no it couldn't.

[limber hull]

it literally could

it could turn so fast that it would begin flying backwards in relation to its model

i know this because i've seen it do it first hand

[desert quarry]

I never saw it once, and I main ptera

[shell zephyr]

i agree with you on that front that pteranodons shouldn't fly backwards. but there still should be a way for them to make tight turns like by airbraking
and yeah as a pt main i have flown in circles so tightly the model would start flying backwards it was weird as hell

THAT may be because i play at 30 fps

[shell fjord]

Same. I also hate that I have to correct myself because of the "dip" ptera now takes while turning

[limber hull]

i can agree with turning being tighter with airbrakes, sure

i just really dont want the old turn radius back

having pteras literally reverse on themselves and just basically hover over a single area to repeat peck a single animal that can't fight back? No thanks

[desert quarry]

I always have a good frame rate, perhaps this is why I have never seen it go "backwards".,... clearly something the model should not do either.

[shell zephyr]

turning on a dime at high speeds def shouldnt be a thing, also a bare handful of really good pt players shouldnt justify nerfing the animal for everyone - they deal barely any damage to adults of higher tiers at all also uh. trees are a thing that trip up a majority of ptera players that usually give up because they're oneshot kills for most of the roster

pt's nerfed turn in regular flight's gonna make flying in thicc jungles even harder despite the proposed possibility to airbrake-turn

[limber hull]

good ptera players didnt care about trees because of the insane turn radius

also, i dont think ptera should be very proficient at flying through jungles. Their primary form of transport should more usually be flying over or around it, rather than easily weaving through trees

pteras can and have literally soloed carnos with zero counterplay, because a good ptera player has zero potential counterplay

[shell zephyr]

good pt players are gonna be good pt players, kind of like how not everyone is gonna be playing utah like nappn does soloing tenos and stegos
also the 2nd part of my lil paragraph touched upon the jungle part well enough tbh

im gonna b leaving now tho bye

[limber hull]

good pt players are still far less enjoyable to deal with than any other animal

it's already been S-Tier for its entire existence, and it's still S-Tier

Because if it chooses that it doesn't want to die, it can't

[lapis swallow]

Except another ptera player kills you

[limber hull]

even that's difficult

pteras are so mobile, its extremely hard to hit another ptera

[lapis swallow]

Yes

When I die as a ptera I always choose to die

[robust dome]

@queen ember They just added it. Its for immersion. Also imagine being in the grasslands eating and you see something 2000 meters away. You just run and bam no way to catch you.
It also adds more to the fear factor they wanna add

[noble pine]

It’s been like that since the game was created and it’s never been an issue, why all of a sudden people want a mechanic that limits you while you’re vulnerable is beyond me.

[rare fractal]

If they want immersion then the entire game should be in first person....

[noble pine]

^

[rare fractal]

Also "Also imagine being in the grasslands eating and you see something 2000 meters away. You just run and bam no way to catch you."
You're quite literally describing a player vigilant enough to spot a threat from far off getting away because it spotted that threat....how is this bad?

[noble pine]

If you’re careless enough to get spotted when trying to sneak up on someone, then you don’t deserve the kill, it’s that simple

[rare fractal]

It's so easy to completely conceal yourself in this game already, ambushing isn't hard...

[robust dome]

But adding it makes it so that you actually fear a lil. This game is meant yo scare you a lil. I dont see why thats an issue

[noble pine]

Drinking and eating are already scary enough with deinos and such, locking your camera where you can’t look around just makes it so much worse, and not in a good way.

Drinking has been scary since deino was implemented, i didn’t need camera lock to be scared of the water

[robust dome]

Have u guys seen those dino d9cumentaries where a herbi is eating something and all of a sudden there is like a majungosaur behind them. Dat scary

[strange pilot]

Not sure where I should let the team know if they don't already but ai elite fish are back to been flying space fish around the swamp areas

[noble pine]

That can still happen, it’s happened to me many times. You can be vigilant and still not see something right behind you, that’s a sign of a player using foliage to their advantage

I’d agree with camera lock if deino wasn’t in the game and foliage wasn’t so thick

[robust dome]

Bcs its so immersive to spin ur cam right round baby right round when eating. Basically pressing E and letting it doing the rest.
While with cam locked you have to stop once in a while to make sure you are safe. I find it to be a good addition

[noble pine]

No one ever complained about it before, plus you can only have so much immersion when you play the game in third person. Also by that logic, alt look is immersion breaking since you can do a full 360 when your dinosaur isn’t even looking around.

[shy adder]

Did teno get a damage nerf? I don’t see it on the patch notes but some are saying they did

[zinc rivet]

stamina damage, when bucking off a Raptor the Raptor has more stamina drained

[shy adder]

So no actual damage nerf to a tenos kick or tail slam? @zinc rivet

[zinc rivet]

no

[pure quiver]

Your dino's head turns when alt looking....

[timid veldt]

in the swamp whwn u look through thewater with NV u can see way too far ( also works at night)

[mild walrus]

.

Let’s see if this gets deleted again

[low tendon]

bleating turtles have returned

[rotund quarry]

They deleted that? that's messed up wtf 😐

[mild walrus]

They did it in both general feedback and general feedback discussion which made me feel like they were trying to control the narrative by removing certain messages criticizing the update. But I did reach out to an admin who said they didn’t do it and that it was auto modded. So who knows

[rotund quarry]

Could of been the one word "P!ss" ?

[mild walrus]

Yeah probably so

🥹

[spring holly]

@glossy sierra you know you're just going to get ignored right? With that attitude

[limber crypt]

Anyone else feel like diet should still activate if it doesn't reach 100%? Doesn't make to much sense to me that I got one of my diets to 85% and it just doesn't do anything

[glossy sierra]

I really couldn't care less yk

It would prove my point tbf

I don't even want to explain how bad of a feature humans are too. It's literally like making a second game

Let's not forget tribals are a thing too so that makes it 3 games since tribals are vastly different to mercs

Billion dollar game companies can't make that many games in a short span of time

[spring holly]

Proving a point or not won't change anything. If you don't like the game, move elsewhere. 🤷‍♀️ The devs will do what they want. It's their game. You're barking at a wall. They only listen to constructive criticism.

[glossy sierra]

Timed out for being right nice

Lmfao

[glossy sierra]

When have they exactly listened to the constructive criticism.

I'm literally saying how it's probably impossible to do what they plan to do with such a small team.

Idc if they don't listen to me they don't need to. I just want them to respond

[spring holly]

This whole game has been shaped by player comments. It's just a lot of them are either pointless, entitled or don't serve to what the devs have planned for this game.

[glossy sierra]

Huh

[uneven mist]

You were timed out for saying a funny word

[glossy sierra]

I can't remember what funny word I said tbf

[spring holly]

Eh let them. We don't know what's happening behind the curtains. They seem to be confident.

[glossy sierra]

They talk with confidence that's for sure

[glossy sierra]

Then why don't they take the community advice and balance all the dinosaurs

Ik pesky's video is old at this point but it's good

[spring holly]

I personally think they should cut down a lot on the dinos because they have humans and tribals. 50+ dinos is very excessive. But who knows? They might pull it off.

[uneven mist]

Peskys balance vid is…not good tbh

[glossy sierra]

X Zaguer makes videos on these types of problems and he arguably makes better decisions than the team

[glossy sierra]

It's better than the current balance

[uneven mist]

Eh no not quite

[glossy sierra]

In about 2 decades

[glossy sierra]

I play legacy and only watch evrima videos

So idk how it is

[spring holly]

I think they should have around 10-15 dinos to choose from. And add DLC after the game is done.

[glossy sierra]

No

That's smaller than legacy roster

Literally no point

[spring holly]

The size matters. Smaller is more specialized and honed.

[glossy sierra]

• I won't buy dinos for a dinosaur game

That's why they should cut something out

Like the tribals