general-feedback-discussion

[vestal rune]

the most likely "recode" that would happen is switching to ue5 which wouldn't even be done from scratch

[marsh leaf]

only if the person in charge actually understands enough programming as to actually prevent that from happeneing again

[vestal rune]

why would he need to understand programming? he's the manager not a programmer lol

[marsh leaf]

because a manager should always know the job of those they manage

[vestal rune]

man just organises the team and writes lore nowadays he doesn't need to know how things are technically done

[vestal rune]

so dondi needs to be a programmer, modeller, animator, rigger, concept artist, sound designer and composer?

I wouldn't even really blame the recode on the manager himself, it was more sabotage by that one individual programmer, could the manager have prevented it? maybe but that's not how the situation played out

[marsh leaf]

no, he needs to hire managers for those departments if he himself knows nothing in the specific areas/ departments

[vestal rune]

there's like 3 programmers, it would be a waste to have a whole other person dedicated to managing them

[marsh leaf]

not necessarily. that's part of what a "lead programmer" is.

in that specific department

[vestal rune]

I mean they do probably have someone who act as a lead programmer

oh ye filipe is the lead programmer

[marsh leaf]

now, yes. it would have been nice to have been told that instead of permanantly banned

[vestal rune]

I mean if you feel it was unjust you can try and appeal it, but it still comes as you throwing accusations without knowing the full situation

[marsh leaf]

punch didnt even care enough to respond to my question in the moderation action on steam to tell me what word i should have used instead.

see, this is the problem as writing things off as "reddit hatebaby" stuff when you receive criticism that hurts your feelings

i said what i said because i liked the product, and i want it to be the best it can be. perhaps i'm strange, but i just do not engage with things i do not like.

[vestal rune]

dude I don't think the devs are that sensitive that they just ban everyone that hurts their feelings lmao, this is a stupid meme

I've literally seen them prevent rulerbreakers from being banned so they can talk to them

[marsh leaf]

that's not what happened to me.

[vestal rune]

and what about the countless other people who criticise the devs and don't get banned?

[marsh leaf]

i was banned for "using derogatory language." how am i supposed to describe the lack of competence without using the word "incompetent?"

[jade brook]

No matter what word you use for lack of competence, you are still calling them incompetent. Feedback isn't about calling people any names...

what kind of logic is that?

[marsh leaf]

that's not "calling someone names!" that's describing a quality, or lack of it in this case

if you do not know enough to do your job, what else can i call it?

[jade brook]

well just say you are unsatisfied with quality instead of calling out the people

[marsh leaf]

it's not the people! it's their work!

[jade brook]

that's not what you have been doing

[marsh leaf]

so i have to dance around and not use the proper adjectives to say what i need to say in as few words as possible?

[jade brook]

you don't have to dance around to stay civil

[marsh leaf]

i was civil. there is nothing uncivil in saying someone was not good at their job, especially when i am a customer.

[jade brook]

you probably think you were i'm sure

[marsh leaf]

in that case, you're saying i got banned for hurting feelings.

[jade brook]

i don't know what you said - exaclty - so i won't prononce myself on that

calling a dev incompetent is a bad start nonetheless

[marsh leaf]

like, the whole point of the discussion with punch was "why is legacy the default download? why are you offering up the bad code by default and not the great new product you guys are working hard on and so proud of?"

which got sidetracked into just why legacy was scrapped, which boils down to "incompetent management."

[vestal rune]

that's what you got from what he told you? not the fact that the only programmer sabotaged the game?

[marsh leaf]

responsibility lies with leadership. if the leadership could not detect the sabotage until it was too late, they were not competent.

[jade brook]

I'm sure they didn't ban you for the point of the discussion.
And with the number of people crying on Evrima how it is bugged and not finished, i would wage that Legacy, flawed as it is, is a .. "safe" version meanwhile.

[vestal rune]

except that programmer was their only option at the time lol

[marsh leaf]

really? no other programmers for hire?

[vestal rune]

you're upholding the early version of the game which was essentially just a passion project to the modern developed game with the resources to hire whoever they want

[jade brook]

If all you do is nagging at devs and calling them incompetent, it's yes, uncivil and unpertinent

and unconstructive.

[vestal rune]

if this happened again at this stage of development maybe I'd agree with you, but it's unreasonable to expect a manager of a small group of devs to have forseen what happened

[jade brook]

like Smeasel said earlier, there ways to give harsh criticism, yet, professional

[marsh leaf]

no, that's not all i do. i just wanted to understand why the "sabotaged" version is the default. and how a sabotaged version could even make it to a live download.

[vestal rune]

it's because the "sabotaged" version was the main version of the game for 4 years, and the devs deemed evrima not developed enough to replace it yet

imo evrima should be made the main branch with you having to opt-in to legacy so new players get less confused

but I guess I can understand not deleting it as some people can run legacy but not evrima

[marsh leaf]

which was my point in that discussion, as evrima had been developed for 2 years at that point

[jade brook]

if you were banned unjustly, just appeal for it, like you have been told already i'm sure

[marsh leaf]

observation bias, i know, but i saw way too many threads asking where croc and pterra were. and i'd help out where i could and told these users how to get evrima.

[marsh leaf]

i didnt care enough to come in here and make a stink before now, after having heard one dev talk about how "feedback is lies," and "lol we dont listen to feedback, anyway" or whatever

i left a question on the steam moderator action, and punch never cared to respond

[jade brook]

well, there are lies in the feedback

i don't know the whole context but people say what they want, so of course feedback is gonna be polluted

[marsh leaf]

you should never just assume customer feedback is lies. especially in this case where we're talking about people's health.

[jade brook]

but see since i don't know the whole context, as i said, i hold myself from giving hasty judgement

[marsh leaf]

that's your right. however, being on the receiving end of the stick, i have a different perspective.

[jade brook]

it's not a right, rather a personal responsibility

[marsh leaf]

semantic arguments aside, still no one has suggested a "non-derogatory" word for someone who does not have the knowledge to be doing the job they are doing.

[jade brook]

because the description it self is derogatory

what is the point of it?

[marsh leaf]

therefore: you cannot criticize development.

[jade brook]

no no no

[marsh leaf]

to fix the issue? or at least inform a customer that the issue is fixed?

[jade brook]

first, that does not fix anything to insult people.
second. you can criticize work without insulting worker

[marsh leaf]

i think the worker needs to separate themselves from their work a bit more if such a thing is insulting to them.

[jade brook]

but you didnt insult the work. You said the worker lack competence. Incompetent. Directly...no?

i might say to the chef i didn't like my meal. I don't go back in the kitchen berating them that they can't cook

[marsh leaf]

that depends. if the manager is letting the kitchen put out sabotaged dishes, the blame rests on them, and the word is fair.

i mean, i've watched too much kitchen nightmares, the "chef" in this case is the programmer. "management" is just that, the owner or their manager

and i've seen too many resteraunts run into the ground because "management" didnt know enough to know their "chef" was sabotaging them

those managers were not competent, and had to be taught what their job actually requires

if they took the teaching to heart, the restaurant lived. if not, it was out of business in less than 6 months, more often than not.

[jade brook]

But you see, reality show with fake narrative aside, they hire Gordon Ramsay to come in the kitchen and judge harshly.

The customer do not however. They can complain, they can leave, they can never come back, they might review and even report. They don't go to the kitchen. If they do and act up they get kicked out. Good and bad restaurant alike

[marsh leaf]

keeping the analogy, the steam forum is not "the kitchen," it's the customer comment card.

i wasent talking to the chef, but the maître d'

[jade brook]

idk if customer comment cards have rules

idk what you said as a whole either

i'm just saying that you have more chances to discuss things and be heard if you stay civil

[marsh leaf]

hard for me to tell, too, because punch deleted my entire side of the conversation

[jade brook]

well you can always DM him here in Discord and ask, as the first rule of the server

[marsh leaf]

if punch didnt respond to my question on the actual moderation action, i dont care enough to DM here

[jade brook]

but you care enough to cry about it in this channel since?

[vestal rune]

rak I am 99% sure what happened is punch saw what you said and assumed you were a troll (as that's something they have to deal with a lot). That may have not been a fair assumption but I'm sick of the stupid meme that "the devs are babies and cry and ban you if you criticise them"

the game radically changed because of player feedback and criticism, to suggest that they just totally suppress it is silly

[jade brook]

how is that productive? to you, or to them?

[marsh leaf]

because discussion had turned to the subject of bans.

[marsh leaf]

you say to a guy who got banned because he said management (then) did not know how to manage.

[vestal rune]

yes, what you said calling them "incompetent" based on minimal information definitely comes of as something a troll would say

[marsh leaf]

on the very flimsy ice of "derrogitory language."

[marsh leaf]

i was going off of what punch himself was saying!

[vestal rune]

well he's not going to straight up call you a troll that would be unprofessional lol

[marsh leaf]

again, what should i have said? the issue is the person in charge did not know enough to know they were being taken advantage of. there's no other way to say it but in "derogatory language."

[vestal rune]

well you could say literally that instead of calling them "incompetent" lol

[marsh leaf]

that's what the word means!

[limber hull]

in the real world, going around and calling the work of any team "incompetent" will guarantee they won't want to hear your feedback. This "high horse" you're taking where it's "only criticism, and the devs need to man up!" seems like an inexperienced take on how real world teams react to such words. Incompetence is never seen as something to "improve upon", it is always seen as an insult to you, your work and your team.

[jade brook]

"the issue is the person in charge did not know enough to know they were being taken advantage of"
I don't if this is a fact or an interpretation, and i wouldn't assume incompetence as a first guess

[vestal rune]

incompetent implies a judge of someone's character while what you just said implies a mistake they made in a single situation, one of them comes of much more as constructive criticism

[marsh leaf]

not in my personal experience. in my work history "incompetent" is about the kindest thing you'd be called.

[limber hull]

seems like your job history sucks horribly lmao

[marsh leaf]

competency at a job says nothing about someone's character.

[vestal rune]

uh I'm fairly sure it does

[marsh leaf]

no, it means you're not good at the job, for whatever reason. that is not part of character.

[vestal rune]

well I think the issue is that you're saying they're not good at their job based on a single mistake

a mistake that most people would make in their situation

[jade brook]

but who are you to judge competence, that's the question

[marsh leaf]

furthermore, competency is not static, it can be increased, and i would be amazed if it did not increase over the years.

[marsh leaf]

a customer.

[jagged jewel]

your work history is bad

[vestal rune]

dondi managed to build this game up into a big thing with very little help, I'd say he's competent at that at least lol

[marsh leaf]

making something "a big thing" speaks nothing to its quality.

[jade brook]

a customer can be dissatisfied from a service or good, if they can't do better they are in no place to judge the actual competence.. and they are ways to express either like an adult

[marsh leaf]

and being a good publicist does not correlate to management skill at all.

[marsh leaf]

so, because i cannot cook a 5 star meal, i cannot criticize when i'm being served trash, got it.

dont fall into the "you cant say anything unless you can do it to," trap. this is a thing sold for money.

[vestal rune]

I've heard this one before, and there's a huge flaw in it

[jade brook]

we already went over that. You can say it is trash, however, don't expect it to be well received, and you did not insult the meal but the chef...IF that was the actual issue since nobody can know it seems

[vestal rune]

you don't need to be a chef to criticise a meal that's served to you, however if you're going to try and criticise how the cooks work in the kitchen, I'd expect you to have at least some experience

[marsh leaf]

easily done, as the task in question is "management."

i've had "managerial" positions before.

[vestal rune]

no it's "management of a software company"

[marsh leaf]

it's not like management is some escoteric field

[jade brook]

....so you can say you can do better than them?

[marsh leaf]

management is management, no matter the field.

[marsh leaf]

does it matter?

[vestal rune]

well your whole point is that a manager should know what their workers are doing, however all the workers in afterthought are high skilled jobs, it would be unreasonable to be knowledgable on all of them

that criticism may stand if you're talking about like a restaurant

[jade brook]

well if your defense is you know what you are talking about enough to critique their competence? yes

[marsh leaf]

which is why you hire on a manager that does, as the owner

[vestal rune]

except when you're a small dev team that is incredibly unreasonable

deathlyrage was his own manager as he was the only programmer

[marsh leaf]

except dondi made it a "big thing," so that excuse no longer applies.

[vestal rune]

no we are talking about the game from the beggining

[marsh leaf]

you cannot have it both ways

[vestal rune]

if this mistake happened now, I would agree with you, but it didn't happen now, it happened 6 years ago

[marsh leaf]

which is more than enough time to switch from the sabotaged work being the default download, yes?

[jade brook]

says the one who want to be free to trash talk

[vestal rune]

that has nothing to do with the competency of the manager lol

I agree evrima should be the default version

[marsh leaf]

i dont want to trash talk, i want to say what i mean with as few words as possible, avoiding unwieldy phrases because some critical word might hurt their feelings and get me banned

[vestal rune]

I've explained this to you, they're not gonna ban you for "hurting their feelings" lmao

[jade brook]

i trust in you that you are capable of expressing few words and still be respectable

[vestal rune]

it's because they think you're a troll

[marsh leaf]

except that they did (on the steam forums)

[vestal rune]

punch probably thought you were a troll

the game has changed drastically due to player feedback and criticism, how would that be possible if every criticism hurt their feelings and was silenced?

[marsh leaf]

yes, actually.

[vestal rune]

what

[marsh leaf]

they listen to the QA team. not us.

[vestal rune]

the QA team wasn't always a thing lol

and they do listen to us that's why there's #general-feedback and #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[marsh leaf]

then why did the lead programmer say they do not listen to feedback, and that feedback is full of lies?

[jade brook]

You assume a lot from not much

[limber hull]

filipe literally just came into this very chat earlier to prove he listens to feedback

[vestal rune]

iirc didn't he say that he generally doesn't check it because the community can't be trusted? you are twisting his words a little

[marsh leaf]

two words. damage control.

[vestal rune]

punch has said before that he checks the feedback channels lol

[marsh leaf]

paraphrasing.

[limber hull]

two words. forced narrative

[vestal rune]

saying the devs never listen to feedback is in direct contradiction with the game's history, so I'd be inclined to agree with mr anky lol

[marsh leaf]

i didnt say they NEVER did.

i said they dont, as in now.

[jade brook]

the whole "the client is king" doesn't work if the client doesn't act with majesty and grace

[marsh leaf]

and it is really not a good look when you say your community cannot be trusted

[vestal rune]

uh they cannot lol

have you seen this community? they complain about everything

[marsh leaf]

so?

[vestal rune]

they're not gonna bend to the whims of every individual person lmao

[marsh leaf]

they dont have to

but claiming that all of us cannot be trusted because of that is throwing out the baby with the bathwater

[vestal rune]

I don't think he's saying that everyone can't be trusted lol

[jade brook]

when did he say "all"?

[vestal rune]

he just said QA gives more useful feedback than the general public

[jade brook]

I'm sure QA's job is to filter through

[marsh leaf]

by not limiting his own statement. "the community" is all of us.

[vestal rune]

which the devs have said before, public stress tests actually caused a lot of problems for the devs in the past

[jade brook]

all of us bad included. Didn't say ALL of community is not to be trusted...

[vestal rune]

remember filipe isn't exactly the best at making his words clear lol

[marsh leaf]

you do not have to explicitly say "all" when you list a category.

[jade brook]

depends of the context and category yes

[marsh leaf]

if i were to say something really stupid like "women cant drive," do you take that to mean ALL women, or just a portion?

[jade brook]

like i said depends on the category and context

[vestal rune]

if I say a humans have 2 legs am I saying all humans have 2 legs?

[marsh leaf]

yes.

[jade brook]

wow. fp.

[marsh leaf]

if your intention is a narrowed category, you have to explicitly state it. otherwise the statement is literally "all".

the reader cannot read your mind as well and know your intention.

[vestal rune]

once again filipe isn't the best at making his words clear, fairly sure english isn't his first language

[marsh leaf]

it's like how i did not say "the team is not competent," i said "the manager of the programmer..."

[jade brook]

ok but it's similar you don't see? instead of saying "he made a mistake" you are saying he is incapable of the job.. You are reaching all the same

it's all arrogant assumptions

[limber hull]

He got muted

Unsurprisingly, I might add

But I doubt he'll see it as his fault, it'll be the big bad devs who want to silence all criticism

Even though he spent the past hour calling Dondi incompetent

[jade brook]

oh well

@polar mulch yes and although i like the right-left dance, i dislike how it makes a weird C when turning even only a single degree

[limber hull]

Deino's left-right dance is one of its most powerful abilities. No other dinosaur has a dance like it

[jade brook]

haha

[queen mortar]

look at this sh*t show of a squabble

[sand oar]

making a lot of noise out of nothing

[queen mortar]

and here i go again

[icy lion]

There's no need to harass them or try to continue the conversation. They were muted

[queen mortar]

oof

thanks for letting me know @icy lion

[sand oar]

yea lets better move on

[last lily]

Lies. Hypsi's dance game is unmatched. Deino's jiggle physics make it an A tier but not S tier.

[limber hull]

Now this is a debate worth having

[limber hull]

@solar cave If beipi/austro/other aquatics that can see deino coming count as early warnings, then yes, we're getting them, otherwise, no

[tight oxide]

Wavepool, when the hell do you sleep?

[tight oxide]

?

Like you are always active

[limber hull]

im australian

i sleep in very different hours to your own

[tight oxide]

Makes sense

[lapis swallow]

@cedar geyser you really calling deino a "filler dino"? That sucker changes the behavior of EVERY SINGLE player

[cedar geyser]

but isn't actively a hunter or hunted

[lapis swallow]

proceeds to hunt everything in the roster

[limber hull]

filler dinos are such a terrible term imho. Let people enjoy the animals they want to enjoy, not everyone needs to be fighting at all times

the game revolves around your own personal survival journey

not how much guys you kill

[cedar geyser]

obviously. Deino is my second most played

[limber hull]

ptera for example isn't even meant for PvP, the fact you even mentioned PvP in the ptera part is kinda funny to me

[cedar geyser]

I don't pick ptera for PvP, and I don't think he should be changed for more PvP. Both "filler x main" and PvP is just an observation

It's a role playing game in the end, you play it to feel like your favorite dino, not to hunt

but you should have something to compare when reviewing stuff. And you can't objectively say "I like this dino more so he is better haha"

and PvP imo is the best objective part you can get when playing dinos

[nocturne holly]

Guys i dont have an night vision how i can fix this please help me !!!!!

[coral girder]

Cmon you have to fix this, you cant make it night every time the server unexpectedly are restarting...WTF

with restarts and everything we are playing like 75% of the game in darkness, with white glow...

Such horrible!

[cedar geyser]

you need to delete "saved" files from AppData

[nocturne holly]

@cedar geyser I dont see anything in my data ?

[cedar geyser]

AppData --> Local --> TheIsle

delete "saved"

start the game

[nocturne holly]

i dodnt see anything bro

what is the name of appdata commands LOL

[cedar geyser]

type %appdata% in search bar

it will open "roaming" so you need to go one step back into AppData

[nocturne holly]

I have only EasyAnticheat

I fix it thanks

[neon zephyr]

@rocky aspen

I got confirmation that at least intend on adding a warning screen in-game; but are adamant about not making any sort of official statement about it until they "absorb the feedback" and can "make an informed decision".

I guess just making an in-server warning about it until they get it in-game equates to them giving "false hope".

And they "can't really make announcements for every single alleged case of an incident like this."

(Talked to Punch)

||Also happy to show ss, given there's been so many issues with people taking the staff out of context or altering their words. 🤷 ||

[scarlet ocean]

What’s with all the ppl asking for stego nerf Kissen came out and said why it won’t be getting a nerf, ever. Cause stego is what a stego should be, it’s built to battle apexes, I get that it’s stupidly unbalanced in this branch, and was kinda dumb for them to release stego from the very start with the roster we have. I’m pretty sure they released stego cause it was done, and they needed a herbivore. But if stegos are made for isle to fight and defend against apexes, if they nerf it, they would just need to duff it back up again when the apex does come out. (And Kissen also said that it’s pointless to nerf it and then buff it again cause it’s a stego, meant to be what it is)

[lapis swallow]

And stegos are needed cause crocs

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah that too. So if people ask for a stego nerf, they should add deino to that cause if stego got a nerf, then it would still be incredibly unbalanced and then ppl would cry for a deino nerf cause they’re stegos are dieing..

Nothing except maybe but probably deino is made to fight stego realistically in our roster. Literally. Carno is a mid to small game hunter, it will get overpowered by majority of the Dino’s that are coming to isle. (I’m referring to carno cause it’s our land “apex” right now) (imo it’s unrealistic as heck that 1-2 carnos a can kill a apex herbi stego, since in a wider view, carno will be one of the weakest carnis in the future)

[limber hull]

im actually getting so sick of the constant bumps and reposts of that NV suggestion

i understand it's well made

but i'd save its concepts and ideas for U7

with weather and fog and all that good stuff

not for NV

people's inability to give anything a chance is genuinely frustrating to me

[scarlet ocean]

Im pretty sure they gave it a chance, people cant control how theyre bodies react.. thats what disabilities and disorders do, like proper in real life physical/mental problems.. (Mentioning the nv
actually causing people seizures and other problems)

[limber hull]

that's an extreme argument and we both know it. If/when they fix the NV's issues that lead to the epilepsy, then what? Is it still bad?

[scarlet ocean]

Probably not

[limber hull]

not everyone is suffering seizures

[scarlet ocean]

But we cant invalidate the ones that do

were in this together, not just the ''ok'' people

[limber hull]

seizures are bad, yes, but not all 100 people who upvoted that suggestion are getting seizures

[scarlet ocean]

You wouldnt know, nor would i

ill take that chance and believe it

[limber hull]

and i personally think that a misty morning or a foggy afternoon using the same grain and fog filters would be a FAR greater implementation of the system rather than NV, which is supposed to be dark and hard to see through

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah that sounds great

But for some people, it isnt as big of a priority, since they care more about theyre health than the game itself. (as should the devs, more about them causing people proper in real life pain rather than just game mechanics)

Ig its hard being a dev and needing to please like thousands of people at the same time

[limber hull]

because having the NV just be "day but slightly darker and differently coloured and foggy" would be really disappointing to me

you have no idea

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah same imo, nv definietly shouldnt be just dark night

[knotty spindle]

#general-feedback message

There is little bit of variation that occurs but it's nowhere near enough, most of the colors do come from either the mom or dad, but it still ends up in the babies still looking like exact clones of eachother. Too many times my siblings were exact clones of me.

[scarlet ocean]

I agree but i dont think the people that complain about nv want that either, just a darker night for ''nv''. They just dont want irl problems

[limber hull]

thats 100% not it, the irl problems only impact a small minority

[scarlet ocean]

Still important

Im pretty sure every player for the isle counts as important. (Hopefully), Wether they have issues or not, or wether theyre toxic or not

Just to add a bit, even if the 100's of upvotes on the posts where people are having issues arent actually 100 people with the same issue, why couldn't we support the people who have the issues. Some of them could be sympathy

[limber hull]

The people upvoting that NV post are very unlikely doing it for the disabled

Some are, sure, but most aren't

Most people just want NV to not be any form of inconvenience and just want to treat it as they would day

[scarlet ocean]

True, fair point there, we dont really have a way to filter those kind of trash ppl..

[knotty spindle]

what specifically are you talking about? What NV post?

[limber hull]

The one that's been bumped over and over

[scarlet ocean]

I think it means any nv post where people are talking about it being a medical problem

[knotty spindle]

I don't have the context, but I will say this, I have vision issues but I actually like the new NV for the most part, it still needs tweaks

it still needs tweaks but it works most of the time. Dawn and Dusk are so far the worst of it

[scarlet ocean]

Thats nice to hear, im sure most of the ppl that have medical issues with the nv like it, but just dont like that its causing them problems

But rex had a fair point, we have 0 way to filter the toxic people who just dont like nv for the sake of them not seeing much, and the people who are genuine..

[knotty spindle]

I've been having worse problems with my vision lately, but i highly doubt it's the new NV causing it

[scarlet ocean]

Hope that gets sorted out soonish for ya

[knotty spindle]

it could be strain from just playing games a lot

when we were testing the NV in the stress test, the first iteration was much worse and DID cause strain

but this version is 100x better

not perfect but better

[scarlet ocean]

Always gotta strive for whats the best of the best

[knotty spindle]

Legacy's NV did cause strain

especially for someone who already has photosensitivity

Evrima's NV is a big improvement from that

even though it doesn't seem as spooky

[scarlet ocean]

Damn really? How did it. I feel like legacys nv is so simple, its just a spotlight on a dino and off you go

[knotty spindle]

it gets way too bright most of the time

then again i haven't used it in a while because i've stayed on legacy

but i know for sure right now it would hurt my eyes big time. I can barely even use VR anymore because my eyes can't handle it anymore

even if i have a dark mode module on it

but i'm a small minority of people

not everyone who has problems with the new NV is because of eyesight problems. Some people just don't like the way it looks

everyone has different opinions about it

[jagged jewel]

@cedar geyser how is deino a filler dino

"decent pick but not if you want pvp" yeah deino isn't a pvp dino, that doesn't make it a filler dino

[jovial hazel]

Yeah, if anything it's more of a waste of a server slot dino.

[jagged jewel]

i get that deino is kinda oppressive but is that not the point?

it makes waterways dangerous

idk about you but that's pretty ecosystem changing for me

[jovial hazel]

Sure, and when 30 slots of a 100 slot server are deinos that you probably never see, changes the ecosystem a good bit.

People love crocs for some reason.

[jagged jewel]

you must play on the zoo because i never encounter that many crocs lmao

the most i find in one area is like 4 or 5

[jovial hazel]

Exactly. But they are there.

I would love to see server population numbers.

[jagged jewel]

what's the issue with them being there though?

[jagged jewel]

punch is working on that iirc

[scarlet ocean]

What is even the problem with having 20-30 deinos on a server if that’s actually true. Deino is great. It makes water dangerous and it’s purely a stealth and ambush predator.

[jovial hazel]

They are taking up a server slot with very little actual value to any other player aside from making them run a couple more seconds to get safe water.

And if there weren't safe water.. who would want to lose a grow to someone that literally just has to sit there and right click.

[jagged jewel]

"very little actual value to any other player" they're the whole reason you see water as a dangerous place

i get it isn't fun to die to a deino, but it still impacts the server a lot

[scarlet ocean]

It’s not supposed to be fun to die XD that’s the point of deino

[jagged jewel]

i'd like to see the lunge changed to be more interactive, but deino SHOULD impact the ecosystem, which it already does

[jovial hazel]

But most ways you die you can avoid by playing smart. Die to deino? Just happen to drink at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[jagged jewel]

Yeah, and without deinos you wouldn't have to play smart. That's already an impact. It helps "natural" selection occur.

[jovial hazel]

They could literally add a mechanic to make you fear water without having 1/3 of the slots in a server taken up. But like I said, people love croc for some reason. Who am I to say you shouldn't enjoy it.

This started as more of a joke than anything.

[jagged jewel]

"They could add a mechanic that makes you fear water" Yeah. They did. That mechanic is lunge.

[jovial hazel]

You missed the second half of that statement.

[jagged jewel]

I did, but i can't even see a possible mechanic that would do the same job as deino, without it being deino.

[scarlet ocean]

Would you say that an air play style is just as bad as aquatic..? Or do tou have something specifically against deinos, causes there’s more aquatic play styles coming, like Beipi, sucho, spino and others, they will most likely often sit underwater too..

[jagged jewel]

I'm getting vibes that wheel just specifically dislikes deino as a playable

But the topic isn't deino as a playable however

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah a little

[jovial hazel]

🤣

[jagged jewel]

the topic is the IMPACT that it has, and you can't deny that it certainly does impact the ecosystem.

[scarlet ocean]

Answer the question respectfully Wheel

Rather than laugh

[jovial hazel]

I have no worry about deinos. Only that there's less stuff for me to kill because 30% of the server is playing them afk growing somewhere or crying about getting killed by other deinos.

There's safe places to drink in every corner of the map.

[jagged jewel]

"I have no worry about deinos" "Here's why I worry about deinos"

[jagged jewel]

Yeah, and the fact that you have to specifically go there is already an impact caused by the deinos.

[scarlet ocean]

^ =\ a little hypocritical Wheel. Since you came in here saying that deino is a problem

[jovial hazel]

Did I?

Like I said, it started as a joke.. I didn't mean to rile up the deino mains.

[scarlet ocean]

Very much so, that deino is a filler Dino, that deino shouldn’t exist, read between the lines

[jagged jewel]

I main teno.

[scarlet ocean]

We’re not deino mains

I main pt =\

[jagged jewel]

Also I had to tell you this twice so far and you seem to not have listened.

"Just go to safe spots bro"
Yeah, the fact that you NEED to go to safe spots already is an impact

[scarlet ocean]

^ and if you don’t, you most likely die

Plus people still drink at deino hot spots, that’s why they don’t all starve

[jagged jewel]

It helps with "natural" selection in each server

[scarlet ocean]

We’re in a time in isle where some people don’t buck, so it’s very expected for those same people to drink at deino spots without knowing it

[jagged jewel]

Love how people start going "okay [dinosaur that's the topic of discussion] main" as if that means anything

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah.. I main pt and I love pt cause it’s spectator mode. I hate playing as deino but I still respect it and know it terrorizes a lot of people

Doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t exist, yeah it sucks to die to it. But a large appeal to deino is also that it’s a giant crocodile, and people love reptiles

Have a great day y’all 😅 I assume this debate has ended

[zealous stone]

Honestly if your a Deino sticking to Deino hotspots, of course your not going to catch many dinos.

Now the dinosaurs are so spread out thats its hard to catch them frequently, but you can still catch them somewhat often if you know where they tend to go.

[zealous stone]

While the map is littered with places the ambushing dinos is hard, if you go far enough from the hotspots, people don't expect it, so they'll drink or cross without thinking about how deep the water is.

[cedar quartz]

thanks!

[surreal sedge]

wait that was one of the night vision concepts? i concur what the hell happened to that?

that but with the lines for far away stuff just out of the range where you can see relatively clearly seems like a good idea

[proud coral]

That old nights teaser honestly just looks like it'd have the same issue as legacy NV.

Gamma.

Also it's still hard to even SEE 😛

[surreal sedge]

i wonder what can even be done to make people interested in playing dryo, lol lost the deer i need as a carno to the goddamn ocean

[neon zephyr]

Dryo is personally one of my favorite dinos to play 😂

I like to just run around and scream and mass-produce into a giant colony to then go nip at toes and avoid being eaten. : ' }

Usually behave pretty aggro, even though you very obviously can't do anything.
Just a dino for funsies.

I do/did miss the burrow function from legacy, though.

[rocky aspen]

They could add any fun mechanic to Dryo and I'd play it but right now it's not fun. Especially when nobody else plays the dryo, you know.

[jagged jewel]

give dryo troodon levels of NV + burrows

[surreal sedge]

i was gonna suggest maybe marking dinos as an ability for them but this seems like the simplest and least abusable solution

but still on legacy at least dryos were without fail herd scouts so a marking ability if balanced right would work well

[jagged jewel]

giving it amazing NV already helps it be a scout

[calm granite]

allow it to fight utahs

[surreal sedge]

true, i was just trying to think of something more interactive than just night vision, but that should help it reclaim its throne as the annoying narc spoiling carnivore ambushes

[jagged jewel]

W take

[jagged jewel]

NV does literally the same thing, without the need to make a new mechanic

[calm granite]

if a utah pulls up on lets say 5 dryos they should have no prob whooping its butt

[surreal sedge]

aye its just more situational to night but then again it seems like every bloody time i log in its night lol

[calm granite]

not enough to kill but scare off

[jagged jewel]

During the night, dryo is a scout, during the day it can also be a scout, just not more than the other dinos

[calm granite]

herbis should have it easier in evrima to hold their ground unlike legacy

[jagged jewel]

Dryo jumping on utah’s back and pecking it when

[calm granite]

lmao

galli better be able to whoop utahs

[surreal sedge]

another stealth buff/maybe sort of a nerf is maybe have its broadcast carry slightly further anything bullies you the whole section of the island is gonna hear about it and be curious

[jagged jewel]

i really want that kick to be punishing

[calm granite]

50 dmg kick

[jagged jewel]

more like 75 dmg

[calm granite]

hell naw

imagine a herd of em

[jagged jewel]

you’re telling me a utah bite hurts more than a galli kick??

a utah pounce still destroys galli

[calm granite]

i mean true but

its fast asf

[jagged jewel]

valid

bro the second galli is out i wanna make a huge herd and bully everything

[calm granite]

exactly

[jagged jewel]

being nearly carno speed AND being super agile is something you cannot pass up

[calm granite]

hope quetz can put in work

want it to be feared by juvies

[jagged jewel]

personally i want quetz to have the same bite/weight ratio as ptera

give it a strong ass bite

the definition of a glass canon

[calm granite]

mhm

pouncing one out of the sky will look sick

[jagged jewel]

Built like a stick, but if you get pecked you’re done

true

it’d be a death sentence tho lol

[calm granite]

want my bb allo so bad, hope it comes within the next 3 yrs

[jagged jewel]

i’m indifferent about allo personally

i just need megalania

[calm granite]

that 1 call put fear into me in legacy

more than any other call

[jagged jewel]

Like, being venomous, invading burrows AND having a tail whip is something not to pass up

[calm granite]

meg over titanboa

[jagged jewel]

hell yea

titanoboa is worse meg

[calm granite]

hope titan doesnt come, that would be awful

[jagged jewel]

it’d make performance worse

[calm granite]

snake ai would be cool

[jagged jewel]

1 titan in a server and the performance is gone

yea but no playable snake

[calm granite]

hell no

people want playable compy 💀

[jagged jewel]

you could just tailride a titanoboa to death lmao

[jagged jewel]

no way

you’re joking

[uneven mist]

He’s not, people also want playable pteradoctyl (or however you say it)

[calm granite]

and that

[jagged jewel]

💀

[calm granite]

these rpers man

[jagged jewel]

why tho

what’s the point

you’re slower than a stego

[calm granite]

-1 server slot

[jagged jewel]

and have less hp than hypsi

now THIS is a bad animal

[calm granite]

styrac would have been so cool for evrima

[jagged jewel]

i want stuff like compy swarms harassing you if you stay near corpses too long, but it being playable is a server slot gone

[jagged jewel]

Sty would just be bigger dibble tbh

[calm granite]

yeah, but i like it way more

[jagged jewel]

fair

the ceratopsians i’d remove are ava, taco and sty

either remove ava or remove proto and give its niche to ava

[calm granite]

hell no, proto stays

[jagged jewel]

proto clears

[calm granite]

gonna be mini pachy

that can burrow

[jagged jewel]

speaking of which remove homalo

legit just worse proto

[calm granite]

roster should be like 30 dinos max, no reason to go so big

[jagged jewel]

half of the dinos can be removed and the gameplay would still be fine

[calm granite]

mhm

map should be small too, 100 players is fine

[jagged jewel]

remove velo, oro, taco, sty, homalo, ava and that is a huge improvement by itself

[calm granite]

we need thenyaw 2

[jagged jewel]

gateway is kinda that ig

[calm granite]

yeah im hyped for new map

[jagged jewel]

fr, i can’t wait to play an actually properly designed map

[calm granite]

lets hope it's optimized

[jagged jewel]

i mean it has less foliage

that’s a start

[calm granite]

also, compys eat bodies way too fast now

[jagged jewel]

yea theres also a bug sometimes where the corpse gets eaten when you drag it

[jagged jewel]

and the canyon isn’t covered in bushes for once 😍

[calm granite]

i would leave to get water, come back and the whole carno body would be gone

[jagged jewel]

rough

[calm granite]

dudes must really need the diet

[jagged jewel]

i get compies are a way of cleaning bodies but jesus

plot twist a pack of land deinos ate the body

[calm granite]

honestly, would be nice to have another reptile like deino

[zealous stone]

Dinosaurs are reptiles

[calm granite]

or whatever it is

[zealous stone]

Crocodilians?

[jagged jewel]

if you mean a non dino reptile there’s megalania ig

[calm granite]

a land one thats squishy, like uhh

[jagged jewel]

also megalania is the ONLY playable that isn’t an archosaur, and isn’t from the time of dinosaurs

[calm granite]

yes

[jagged jewel]

hm

[calm granite]

thats the word

[zealous stone]

Maybe they could add one of terrestrial crocs.

[jagged jewel]

if they really want to double down on expanding the roster ig they could add a medium-large terrestrial croc, or maybe a gharial type of thing?

[jagged jewel]

isn’t rauisuchus planned

raui is kinda bad because its really small tho

[calm granite]

ew that thing is ugly

[jagged jewel]

^

[zealous stone]

I don't know every roster member planned

[jagged jewel]

bipedal crocs are bad

[calm granite]

not needed but would be cool to have another croc

[jagged jewel]

something like a gharial OR something like barinasuchus

[zealous stone]

Every theropod is biped, why add a biped croc?

[jagged jewel]

btw barinasuchus is a cerato sized land croc

and is the largest land predator since the dinosaurs went extinct

[zealous stone]

Alternative to they could add another aquatic croc that's more specialized into hunting aquatic prey, making it great at hunting juvi deinos.

[jagged jewel]

Machimo?

Since it’s a gharial and its really adapted to water

[zealous stone]

It could be smaller and more nimble than Deino, allowing it to get into areas that only juvi Deinos tend to inhabit.

[jagged jewel]

hm

thoracosaurus?

Being similar to a false gharial its more adapted to water than a deino

[zealous stone]

Yeah that could work

[calm granite]

cant think of any that would be fitting

[jagged jewel]

ye the roster is too loaded but i feel something like a gharial works best

since it wont need to compete with deino

[calm granite]

yeah, it looks scary asf

[zealous stone]

Maybe it could lunge smaller dinos, but it would mainly be for Deino population control, eliminating a lot of the juvis, but being a potential prey item to the adults.

[calm granite]

but cute at the same time

[jagged jewel]

yea

[calm granite]

oh well

[white night]

All these people complaining about night time now, are they unaware night vision is out?

[jagged jewel]

they’re complaining about the NV itself

[white night]

I actually don't think they are, there is a crazy amount of players I've met in game that complain about how it's so dark. Turns out they didn't realise nv was released.

[zealous stone]

Thoracosaurus, assuming you make it accurate weight wise, and it has lunge that works like Deino's, would be just heavy enough to lunge Utahs.

[white night]

Instead they would say "night vision is unbearable now"

[jagged jewel]

that sounds good

[white night]

not "night time is unbearble"

[jagged jewel]

They say night time is unbearable because using NV causes health issues, and not using it makes you blind

[regal forge]

I've done some research recently and I've found that a lot of players are having performance issues while playing the Evrima branch. I also noticed these problems myself, and people with a much better gaming rig than mine experience relatively severe issues too. Are performance improvement/optimization patches or updates already planned? It gets really bad sometimes.

Someone in #general-feedback was talking about implementing a season system, and I think it's a really cool and well thought out concept! Unfortunately, I do not know how to reference said message in this channel, but if you scroll up, it should be there.

[limber hull]

i am one of those people.

simply because i like the small things

and it has a cool concept art

[calm granite]

L

[limber hull]

shouldnt have given it cool concept art

if they didnt want me to want to play it

[calm granite]

💀

[icy tusk]

How do I free look?

[calm granite]

alt

[icy tusk]

I'm trying

[calm granite]

hold

if not delete ur config

[icy tusk]

Config?

What's a config?

[calm granite]

win+r type %localappdata% > TheIsle > saved > config

have ur isle closed

[icy tusk]

@calm granite Now what?

[calm granite]

delete the config folder only

then boot up isle

[zealous stone]

I'll copy it into here so they can see it without having to scroll up.

So I have an idea that think the Isle could benefit from a lot. What if a sort of season system was implemented, where certain diet important plants could only spawn in a specified season, each one lasting long enough for herbivores to overfill on said diet. This would make herbivores stick together more. And I know some of you are thinking, isn't it a bad idea to add in a gimmick to encourage megaherding? Well, sure large herds of herbivores would be more common, but at the price of a massive drawback for them. Their gameplay would be on a schedule, their movement predictable. Carnivores would either know exactly where they are or where they're headed. They'd become a kind of mobile hotspot, with carnivores lurking on all sides looking for stragglers and openings.

Take the common "migration route" from the Central Grasslands to the Swamp for example, commonly traversed by Tenos and Stegos. Imagine that instead of lone individuals and small groups traveling it, it were instead massive herds, with Carnos ambushing unsuspecting juvis and running off before the herd could overwhelm them, Utah packs driving their targets away from the herd to kill them, and groups Deinos swimming alongside the herd submerged just out of sight, ambushing them when they attempt to cross. Not to mention with so many carnivores stalking the same herd, conflict is bound to break out between them, as they'll hunt each other and fight over carcasses.

It would make the game feel much more alive and populated, reduce the excessive dead screen time that the Isle currently suffers from, and make gameplay a lot more interesting and memorable.

[calm granite]

@icy tusk delete the hello form feedback lol

[proud coral]

I will say once more

Someone playing it = someone enjoying the game, slot not wasted.

Someone not playing it = cool. AI Compys exist and it's still an option

#CompyPlayable2028 👍

[icy lion]

Are you on legacy or evrima?

[limber hull]

@tame valve They used to be on the same diet as fish, that was changed

[tame valve]

Sweet will be easy to switch back

[limber hull]

they want deino to cannibalise

[tame valve]

i get that but it's like a 100% death rate

at least on land people got a chance

[limber hull]

younger deinos have usually got better speed and stam than their adult counterparts

just run on land and ur gone

[tame valve]

yeah but at 50% growth ur like a crap adult

[limber hull]

50% growth, you're faster and have more stam than an adult

Just get out of the water and bolt over land

[tame valve]

i did that, he some how had the stam to bite and run after me

[wooden steppe]

we all need megalania

[dire ridge]

the real problem is the river system. Its just a two way corridor with nothing in it

[limber hull]

@topaz pendant wouldnt a latch attack be a second attack, like carno?

also carno has the ability of being the fastest land animal in the game

[topaz pendant]

Yes, I don’t think it needs the pungent / poison bite

[limber hull]

i mean, neither do i, but saying that all animals need to be as simple as carno is silly imho

[topaz pendant]

Not all but maybe 7-8 dinos with poison not like half the roster (when they are all added)

[limber hull]

wdym half the roster

only troodon, dilo and mega really have anything close to confirmed venom

[topaz pendant]

Magy venomous meat ceratos bite

[limber hull]

it said it was bad tasting, not venomous. Also it'd be technically poisonous if anything, not venomous

cerato has nothing close to a confirmed venomous bite

[topaz pendant]

Also when cerato is added most of the carnivores will be canis and there should also be a small amount of Cani dinos in the game

[limber hull]

troodon likely won't be a canni

[topaz pendant]

Kk

[limber hull]

cannibals aren't going to be that frequent tbh

[cedar geyser]

@plucky totem i like the NV, but I think legacy was better

[limber hull]

legacy was worse, idk why people think it was better

[foggy breach]

Honestly, the idea of NV as a whole is flawed

[limber hull]

i heavily disagree

i have yet to see a reasonable argument for why NV is flawed

[foggy breach]

Isn't NV supposed to be a horror aspect?
Well it isn't doing that well at being "horror", when players die due to this they're not scared, but rather frustrated because they died because of not being able to see

[limber hull]

this sounds like a complete paraphrase of X Zaguers video, and it's false

does this mean the Forest obscuring your vision in the dark caves isn't scary?

or when night falls?

you have tools to get around the darkness (like NV), but nothing to fully remove it

idk why specifically the Isle is at fault for implementing darkness mechanics that obscure your vision

but other games with similar systems of day and night, with intense darkness, are completely forgiven

its honestly absurd

its just finding reasons to dislike the Isle to dislike it

[foggy breach]

The isle is a survival game, which means if you die you lose progress which is so frustrating

[limber hull]

Minecraft is a survival game, it also has night/day and darkness

The Forest is a survival game

It also has such levels of darkness

Subnautica is a survival game, during the night and within caves, it can also become extremely dark and you can lose tons of items

Rust is a survival game, it also has extremely dark nights where you can lose tons of progress if you die

DayZ is a survival game, same story here

[foggy breach]

But you can see well in the dark, unless you're in a cave.
Plus you can craft torches or lanterns to light it up.
If you lose your items because you decided to wander into a cave without a torch and fell or got killed by a zombie it's your fault

[limber hull]

But The Isle is bad because instead of a shoddy torch that reveals your location from miles away, you get NV that allows for better stealth.

It's utterly ridiculous that only The Isle gets critiqued for darkness, when SO many other survival games do it

And it's arguably harder to survive out in the dark in those games than in The Isle

[scarlet ocean]

Do people really have issues with not being able to see at night? 0-0 that’s so redicilous, it’s night, it’s not supposed to be visible, that’s the definition of night basically. Not seeing.

[verbal jackal]

it seems like you just want to argue with anyone who has a different opinion. a lot of people dislike how NV is right now, they are critiquing and discussing to make the isle better not out of a dislike for the isle. if they would dislike the isle they wouldn't even bother to waste their time on the discord

[limber hull]

It honestly feels that X Zauguer does no research and just makes videos for the sake of making talking points, despite if his statements are inherently easy to dispute

[foggy breach]

To humans that is. You're playing as a dinosaur, you're supposed to be able to see in order to survive

[scarlet ocean]

I mean, Rex did ask what are the valid problems of nv but every reason they have gotten so far is invalid

[limber hull]

we were discussing NV as a whole, not NV as it is right now, which is indisputably flawed. Before acting all accusatory, read up on context, I'm tired of being criticised for having an opinion that isn't the norm.

[verbal jackal]

to him they seem invalid but i have yet to see an argument from rex that actually invalidates them

[scarlet ocean]

And isle is also not going for realism, Aka not all scientifically how Dino’s existed and saw things (As we can see all the way from world building to creature design) =\

[jagged jewel]

People are mainly critiquing it for health issues, which is obvious, but SURVIVING with the NV isn't exactly hard, they could just make the outlines of some things stronger

[verbal jackal]

i am reading your arguments for days now and i can just see how you get defensive of nightvision every time, just let people have their opinion man

[scarlet ocean]

^

[limber hull]

That's an absolutely absurd argument. So many people rip each other to shreds here over opinions that aren't the norm. I've seen people be called slurs over thinking magy is a cool idea for an animal, but I feel like I'm being singled out because everyone else just hates NV but me.

I'm trying my best to be civil

[jagged jewel]

wait what, people have seriously done that?

[limber hull]

r-slur, yes

[scarlet ocean]

Damn 0-0

[jagged jewel]

LOL

[verbal jackal]

nothing excuses people like that

[limber hull]

I want people to give this mechanic a second chance, this means a lot to me because I don't want NV to lose what makes it so cool to me right now, and I'm trying my best to explain why. If I say nothing, these other viewpoints aren't heard and we can lose a very promising system

[scarlet ocean]

Ok fair enough then, but the medical thing should still be addressed imo

There must be a fix out there that isn’t just getting rid of it

[limber hull]

Seizures, migraines and eye-strain = terrible horrible bad fix now 100%

[zealous stone]

I'm going to be honest, the think I fear the most when playing the Isle is frustration of dying, not actually dying. Though I won't blame NV on that.

[limber hull]

But this system has promise, way more than legacy offered

[foggy breach]

If they want NV to be more acceptable it needs some refinements, like seeing atleast some colour and better outlines for dinos and water

[verbal jackal]

I can understand that, a new refreshing concept should be kept explored, but to make it any better we have to acknowledge the problems (even if they are just problems for other people) and try to solve them, instead of washing everything away with a, you're wrong

[limber hull]

you can see colour technically lmao

[limber hull]

i have acknowledged the seizures, eye-strain and other medical issues so many times. I've never once told someone they were wrong for having medical problems

[foggy breach]

All I see is black and white.
You need to be near a light source to see colour at night

[verbal jackal]

but you say their opinions are wrong. If someone thinks its ugly. its ugly for them and it always will be.

and a lot of people think its ugly. so if that doesn't change for a lot of people the isle will be ugly 50% of the experience

[scarlet ocean]

But how do you know and how could you filter people saying it’s ugly either out of something logical or toxicity. (Like filter which people are genuine and which ones are just parasites)

This community isn’t all honest for sure

Sadly

[zealous stone]

Honestly in its current state, NV isn't good for the horror part of the Isle. Sure your vision range is limited, but so is everyone else, so if anything thing that makes you safer, since when combined with the large map size, your unlikely to get close enough to someone who can threaten you for them to see you.

[verbal jackal]

what? some single people maybe, but i don't think that the majority of the community is giving dishonest feedback for the hell of it

[lapis swallow]

I hope for 6.5 to make night scary

[jagged jewel]

^

[lapis swallow]

But the nightvision needs changes urgently so people who get headaches and stuff wont get that anymore

[verbal jackal]

i mean, then also rex could be defending NV and saying they like it just as form of some trolling. I mean if we start assuming nothing is genuine here we can just stop talking about it altogether

[lapis swallow]

he doesnt troll

[scarlet ocean]

No not the majority, but I think like 20-30-% of people who actually read feedback channels and post are just jumping on the “nv bad, get rid of it” train.. there’s so many illogical and non Explanatory posts in there simply just saying “it’s bad, change it”. And I wouldn’t consider those people the genuine type..

[verbal jackal]

i am not saying he is, but how would we know

[zealous stone]

I was playing teno the other day and was able to walk through the Central Grasslands by myself, and even broadcast roar, and nothing found me.

[limber hull]

lots of commitment and genuine arguments i'm using just to troll

[verbal jackal]

i don't think so, i think they just don't want to put in the effort and think about it and explain in detail. Thats just how they feel (they don't like it) so they post that they don't like it, done

[verbal jackal]

yeah, exactly. and all those people who don't like NV would have also wasted a lot of time for it to just be troll. that doesn't add up to me

[limber hull]

so someone saying "NV bad, devs suck" = not a troll, but me liking NV and arguing for it = troll

just wanted to see where we were at

[scarlet ocean]

I suppose. Yeah. But I still wouldn’t count those posts super valid since if they didn’t even want to put effort into it, clearly it isn’t that big of a deal to them..
it’s like a person irl telling you “I don’t like this, change it”. It’s toxic as hell if we put it into generic human communications

[verbal jackal]

i don't know, different people have different lives, some don't have time or the writing skills to elaborate further. You're right of course that not every post is genuine but there are so many of them, at least a fraction has to be and that would be still a lot of people

[jagged jewel]

^

[lapis swallow]

But I think those people should say HOW it needs to be changed, otherwise their feedback is pointless

[verbal jackal]

i don't know, should i explain that it was just a parable or can they read it again. i wasn't saying they are trolling

[verbal jackal]

a lot of people are reacting to suggestions how it can be changed. It's pointless if every single person loads up their own version of new night vision.

[lapis swallow]

But a "NV is bad, change it" is pointless too

[verbal jackal]

it gets seen and is added to the ratio of people who like and dislike, thats all it needs to accomplish

the people who like it are also most of the time just saying. "NV good, i like it, better than legacy"

[lapis swallow]

and?

[verbal jackal]

exactly

[little nova]

hello

i am new

[verbal jackal]

eyo

[little nova]

the game is very cool but i am too laggy on it

maybe bc my pc is not very good

[lapis swallow]

you should change your name

ASAP

[wooden ferry]

how do I fix the NV not working?

[lapis swallow]

go to the isle saved folder, click on them and then you see the Config folder. Delete it

[wooden ferry]

delete the Config folder?

[lapis swallow]

yes

[little nova]

whats bad with it?

[verbal jackal]

it's a common problem. A better PC helps a bit but the game needs a bit more optimization.

[wooden ferry]

I shall give it a try

[little nova]

oooh alr

[lapis swallow]

just change it

[little nova]

thanks for the help

[little nova]

whats bad with it?

the sex is a human activity, like eating sleeping or drinking

[lapis swallow]

I think people get their name changed in a couple occasions from the mods

[little nova]

let me change it

[lapis swallow]

dunno if this type of name falls under it

[verbal jackal]

you can set a nickname for the server to be safe

[little nova]

how

🗿

[verbal jackal]

click on the arrow where you can the discordserver name, then select edit server profile

you should see an area where you can write a new name, then save

[wooden ferry]

uhm how do I get there?

[lapis swallow]

ask in evrima troubleshooting, I forgot it lol

[wooden ferry]

lmao okay thanks anyway

[verbal jackal]

you can find it through steam

i think o-O

[tame valve]

Yeah but I don't seeing that getting changed

[limber hull]

new map has shown off lakes and stuff

[jagged jewel]

you better start

gateway has lakes, rivers, and what seems to be a stream in a canyon(??)

[zealous stone]

How big is the next map?

[jagged jewel]

we don't know

i imagine roughly the same size as spiro, or probably smaller

[zealous stone]

I hope it's smaller. Right now the Isle feels empty because of how spread out everything is.

[limber hull]

part of me likes the big map because exploration

[zealous stone]

You can have exploration on a smaller map.

I'm not saying the map should be tiny

But right now you can go a really long time without running into another player.

[limber hull]

fair

i just personally dislike stuff like the constant need for combat that Isle players have

[zealous stone]

The deathmatch mentality really doesn't help this game, I can see your thought process.

[limber hull]

yea, deathmatch mentality is pretty frustrating tbh

i just wish there was more incentive to play the little guys, but without key features like burrowing and climbing, idk what you can do

beipi looks like an example of an animal that actually is appealing enough to play even without combat focus tho, which is nice

[zealous stone]

I think a lot of the issue comes from how easy it is to get an advantage in a fight. If you get 5 friends to play Carno with you, and talk exclusively on voice chat so no one can hear you in game, then your going to have a pretty big advantage over most of the server.

Especially in the case of carnivores, the attacker has an advantage, since they lack any particularly powerful defense moves getting first bite and having a number advantage is all you need to win.

To be fair it could be argued it's your fault if you get bit first.

But the number advantage will usually be enough anyway.

This at it's worse with Deino, where if two other Deinos decide to attack you, you've pretty much already lost.

[limber hull]

yea, this is true as, but there's little you CAN do about it

in terms of balance

[zealous stone]

Well if you ensure each roster has a good self defense attack that can't be used offensively effectively, then that could help a lot.

Teno's tail slam is a good example.

[limber hull]

thats true

[zealous stone]

If Deino got a tail swipe attack that could stun and maybe even fracture, it would definitely make attacking another Deino more complicated than just having a number advantage.

And since it would be a defensive move, it wouldn't really make Deino more overpowered in terms of its hunting ability than it already is.

So it's not like Deino would be able to solo hunt Stegos on land or anything.

Either that or high damage bite attack that has to be charged up and limits your mobility while doing so, as someone suggested in the past.

Honestly I'd really like to see both.

Add a tug of war mechanic, which would allow Deinos to use lunge on each other, and Deino v Deino could be pretty interesting.

[limber hull]

some of these attacks would be great for when they do those additional stego attacks too

since eventually large apexes will be in that will bring a lot of danger to these two (since they're honestly quite weak for what an apex should be)

deino could have a tailwhip, charged bite and vertical lunge for instance

[zealous stone]

Deino in it's current state probably wouldn't be able to hold its own against other apexes.

[limber hull]

It shouldn't really be that GREAT against other apexes, sure, but it shouldn't be doomed

[zealous stone]

It would also be kinda lame if it's only option was just run into the water and swim away.

[limber hull]

I'd give deino the ability to hold LMB to charge a powerful fracturing bite attack which limits the user's mobility, perhaps doing up to around 1000 damage, as well as give him an alt+RMB attack which is a tailwhip, dealing around 200 damage and fractures

[zealous stone]

Honestly one of the matchups I've thought about the most is Deino vs Spino. I'm kinda concerned for both. On one hand I don't want Deino to just become a punching bag for Spino. On the other, since Spino won't be able to swim from what I heard, and will be restricted to walking on the river bottom, in deep water a Deino could in theory just camp above the Spino and hit it's sail with no threat of retaliation.

[limber hull]

imho, spino beats deino on land, deino beats spino in water

[zealous stone]

I'm not sure they're going for that

[limber hull]

which i think is lame

[zealous stone]

From the concept art Deino looks like a Spino punching bag

Which could just be the concept art always making the star dino look good

But I was kinda hoping for them to be more like rivals than just one dominating the other.

[limber hull]

same

[zealous stone]

Having one undisputed apex predator of an environment is kinda uninteresting. Heck just look at Deino right now.

[limber hull]

idk how to feel about it

[zealous stone]

I meant to say uninteresting

Autocorrect is quite annoying at times

[limber hull]

ah yea

then we agree, 100%

deino being a rival to spino is far greater imho than deino just being spino food

it also seems to play into this weird obsession the devs have with the "big three" being the only apexes worth being powerful, and deino is just this fourth carnivore that, despite being equal in size (and power if we account for irl), is just weaker and more pathetic than the big trio

It makes deino in a super weird spot where it's both an apex-tier animal, but because its not in the exclusive apex trio of rex, giga and spino, it gets the shorter end of the stick

Not to say deino should be equal in power or more powerful than spino, I still think spino should have an EXTREME chance of winning an engagement on land (around an 80/20 matchup spino's side), and a more even 60/40 tussle in the water (favoured towards deino)

But spino dominating deino in and out of water just feels wrong, especially since deino is FAR more reliant on the water than any other animal is

[barren zephyr]

The idea of a feedback form is actually not bad. That way the devs can control the quality of feedback with questions they picked themselves instead of not being able to determine whether you should believe what this person is saying.

[summer forge]

@quasi vault honestly I'm stumped that some people still have the energy to try and pull the devs up when it's clear that they're not looking at the feedback

[zealous stone]

Yeah it would be better if all the apex carnivores could compete with each other. Carcar and Acro shouldn't be punching bags for Rex and Giga either.

[limber hull]

I don't think charcar is at all planned, but acro isn't really an apex but something else entirely

It's a large tier

Basically the sucho to giga's spino

It likely won't tango with rex or giga, but we'll have to see since people are doubting fatcro can even run

[zealous stone]

I thought they were both going to be apexes, my bad

[limber hull]

Acro is close, but only clocks in at around 6000kg, and unlike stego, doesn't have apex-level weaponry to compensate

[zealous stone]

How large are the big three going to be?

[limber hull]

8000+

[zealous stone]

Are there any other apex carnivores planned?

[limber hull]

nah

[zealous stone]

To be honest that's probably for the better

Trying to balance any more than that would probably be difficult.

4 is enough

[lapis swallow]

@random imp when was it? I missed that

[cobalt ibex]

I doubt they watched the stream, just heard people talking and then picked it up >.<
It's not what Filipe said

[jagged jewel]

lol that my idea (totally not yours)

[foggy breach]

Why would a tail slap fracture tho?

[jagged jewel]

have you seen deino's tail

[foggy breach]

Yes, it has no hard/heavy parts at all

[limber hull]

do you know what gator tails do irl

[foggy breach]

Never seen a gators tail whip do fractures

[limber hull]

my brother in christ it propels an EIGHT TON ANIMAL THROUGH WATER, it's going to be EXCEPTIONALLY powerful. A gator tail slap is HORRIBLE

[jagged jewel]

many times that relatively small gators knocked people to the ground with a tail slap on the leg

and a few had to go to the hospital

so imagine that, but 14 times more extreme

[foggy breach]

Imagine doing that but 14× stronger to an animal 14× bigger than a human

[jagged jewel]

an animal 14 times bigger than a human is only an 8th of deino's size lmao

[foggy breach]

I mean, sure it would knock em down, but I doubt fractures

[jagged jewel]

bro deino is 8 times bigger than that something that is 14x bigger than a human

it's like if the rock slapped a newborn

hell, not slapped, punched

[foggy breach]

When you explain it like that it makes sense ig

[jagged jewel]

👍

[foggy breach]

That would straight up kill the thing tho

[jagged jewel]

yea it might've been an exaggerated example lol

but you get the idea

[zealous stone]

A slap from Deino's tail could definitely break bone, even of another large animal.

Size and durability don't scale up at the same rate. If they did, an animal 14 times the size of a human could jump 14 times as high, yet if it were, it would kill itself.

The heavy armored tail of Deino, which is strong enough to propel an 8 ton animal through water at high speed, is going to hit extremely hard. Sure it's no Anky, but I doubt even a megatherapod would be able to just walk it off.

[quasi vault]

Same. I made my post for the players, because I know they're the only ones looking at it.

[limber hull]

no you dont lmao

[lapis swallow]

You think it is like that, it isnt like that

[kind marlin]

Do devs even look at feedback because it feels like they never do

[heady warren]

I'm reading these Dieno tail as a weapon discussions and I'm amused

[limber hull]

they do, they drop in occasionally to chat but mostly silently read over

[summer forge]

I think they're talking about the channel itself

[limber hull]

how so

[limber hull]

i know

[heady warren]

Thier tails are built for a side to side manipulation, but their center of gravity is so low that the most they could do is maybe trip something. The idea of using it in combat is kind of funny. most person v gator tail incidents happen by accident as they are turning or running

but I love the fantasy cannon that they actually use them as flail weapons

[limber hull]

its not fantasy tho? there are reports of tails being used defensively by gators

[heady warren]

I was in this discord yeaaaars ago and I just recently came back because my kid (who was an infant when I started) is now playing and we want to know about the servers and whats happening in the community... but I have news for people who are hopeful about feedback. It doesnt matter.

[lapis swallow]

Gators tails hurt

[heady warren]

but its not a viable weapon. They use them for propulsion and defensively by accident generally speaking. In the same way that if hippo trampled you, it wouldve rather bitten you, but whatever works works.

[lapis swallow]

It actively slaps others with it

[limber hull]

its good for getting pests off your ass tho, which is what i'd like for it to be used for

[lapis swallow]

And break their bones

[heady warren]

they really dont.

look, I dont want to argue, it doesnt matter. just keep the gator tail dreams going. its making my day.

[limber hull]

if we have real life accounts of it using the tail as a defensive attack (which is how it's being proposed for the Isle), I don't see the issue

I'm not proposing a stego-style tail jab

I'm proposing a quick back and forth anim of the tail that hurts things in its range and takes stam from the deino

specifically for defensive purposes

[heady warren]

🤣 👍

[limber hull]

i really dont know whats so funny about something gators actually do lmao

[heady warren]

🤣

aw he deleted it?

When they add humans I feel like all of the cool dino-fun of this game is going to be ruined

[limber hull]

im super excited for humans personally

[gaunt turret]

yeah imma eat every one i see

[limber hull]

i think it heightens the cool dino fun since now you get to experience it from the PoV of a guy about to get slaughtered

[heady warren]

Jeep full of hummies with machine guns is going to make the fields even more empty

[limber hull]

they've mentioned that they don't want stuff of that high power that makes it really hard to fight against humans like snipers and machine guns

[heady warren]

Mercenaries and Primals is what the original plan was, did they change it?

[limber hull]

No, both are still planned

[heady warren]

back when I first started the original shots of what the "mercenaries" were supposed to look like were armed with machines and stuff

[limber hull]

lots have changed since then

especially since the original shots of mercenaries were for a singleplayer game with AI only dinos lmao

[heady warren]

So I am looking up the roadmap now to find out whats changed and what will be added. how long does it typically take them to add a dinosaur?

[limber hull]

i mean, they aren't focusing on the roster atm so can't really say

[heady warren]

what are they focusing on? how big is the team? I have so many questions about the development of this game... its been in early access for 7 years.

I wish I could find out more

[limber hull]

focusing on mechanics atm

like diets, gore, NV and so on

[gaunt turret]

beipi next o3o ?

[limber hull]

after U6 (next update), roster will become a larger priority

[limber hull]

troodon next, but beipi probably soon from what we've seen

[gaunt turret]

i want da beipi >:o

but troodon will be fun af

[heady warren]

whats the difference between troodon and utah?

[limber hull]

troodon is much smaller, nocturnal, venomous and capable of mimicry

[heady warren]

wow, the future roster looks good.

too bad I'll be super old or something by the time it comes out

[gaunt turret]

i’m most excited for allo, galli, and maia

which will be like 25 years from now but yknow

[heady warren]

🤣 💯 💯 💯

[gaunt turret]

it’s the reason i can’t give up legacy :p

plus being able to call someone a “smelly disgusting carno” in global is fun too

[heady warren]

Yea, there are dinosaurs in legacy that are LITERALLY the reason I bought the game back in 2015

[gaunt turret]

yisss i have it set to where i have both evrima and legacy installed on my PC so i can switch between them and not have to redownload the version i wanna play every time :p so when i get bored of evrima which is pretty quickly, i can jus hop on legacy immediately to play whatever dino i want

[heady warren]

when Pachys showed up I was hopeful we would get Therizinosaurus again or Parasaurolophus.... but it looks like they are filling those niches with other dinosaurs. seemingly smaller ones, which makes me think its for Dino V Humans

[icy lion]

Everything from legacy will return except for puertasaurus, which is getting replaced by brachi

[limber hull]

theri and para are still planned

[icy lion]

Theri got a new design too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664914260648001555/996907501033377852/Therizinosaurus_Concept.jpg

[heady warren]

dont you dare get my hopes up for Brachi. The rest of it I can take being disappointed on, but I would die happy playing the big daddy Sauropod

[limber hull]

i have literally no clue how anything is going to kill brachi but i feel like that's pretty accurate to brachi

[heady warren]

Thats what I like about stego gameplay. Getting grown is a pain, but once youre there, you can just kind of walk around and enjoy all of the work the devs put into creating the island (when it doesnt bug out and lock you down somewhere)

its like a reward for not getting chewed on by everything else

[limber hull]

i mean, as a brachi, you don't even need to move, you can just look over the whole island from above :P

[heady warren]

life without running though...

People compalin about stegos... imagine how theyre going to feel when Trikes come back

[gaunt turret]

adult trike stam is so bad that even if there’s not another soul around and i see a trike running it makes me fear for their lives

i’m like bro pls don’t run 😭

[ionic onyx]

Will this game come to console?

[heady warren]

6 years ago i wouldve said yes to that question

[ashen wasp]

@ebon locust devs have mentioned wanting some form of shared emotes in the past, such as ceratopsians locking horns, preening animations, or sharpening claws and such on trees. It’s incredibly low-priority atm (if it’s still being considered at all) since right now they’re focused on the mechanics and roster relevant for the core gameplay loop of the game, but I’m excited for it nonetheless

[heady warren]

I'm curious as to what they think is the core gameplay loop of the game? It cant just be kill > eat > grow > repeat forever

can it?

am i overestimating things?

[ashen wasp]

Elders, perks, strains, groups, migration, other factions such as Mercs or tribals with their own loops of building communities and crafting or scavenging…. There’ll be plenty to do, not to worry

[zealous stone]

Plenty to do doesn't automatically make a gameplay loop

Though migration would add to the gameplay loop.

[ashen wasp]

True, but we’re working with, at most, a third of the major factions of the game. I’m not worried for the dinosaurs at all

Plenty to do impacts the loop of the game because the loop isn’t universal. Nothing will force you to nest, or migrate, or eat the right diets, or hunt players over AI, or seek out other players at all, really. But all of those activities are going to enhance the gameplay experience and provide a good framework for what your gameplay loop CAN be

[zealous stone]

I'm honestly a bit concerned the Isle will become an unfocused mess.

I get the appeal of mercs and tribals, but I'd really like if they'd perfect dinosaur gameplay first at the least.

Creating multiple games in one isn't easy, and adding the others before finishing the first definitely risks the first simply never getting finished. It's taking long enough as is.

I can only think of one example of a game that had so many different games in it that was a success, and to be fair it was a big success, but it was short lived and despite how popular it was no one has pulled it off since. Even then that game relied on quick progression from game type to game type to keep things interesting, as each game on its own would get old quickly.

[urban flax]

I remember when people saw this concept art they complained that theri couldn't realistically do what it's doing in the second top-left image :P

[burnt bone]

But minmi can

Honestly tho I hope they add stuff like this with gore

[urban flax]

Is there anything minmi can't do ?

[burnt bone]

Be a “good” playable in most people’s eyes

[lapis swallow]

It can look cute and hope that saves it (it wont)

[burnt bone]

Honestly it definitely has a good amount of tools to survive. Something chases you on land? Run into the water and head to your burrow. Something big on land, bury yourself and hide. Something chases you from water, run to burrow.

[uneven mist]

Same could be said for magy

[burnt bone]

And pachyrhino, and styraco, and homalo, and taco, and dryo

[uneven mist]

Eh mabye not pachyrhino

[burnt bone]

Taco is only spared because it’s too much of a meme

[surreal sedge]

i like that minmi can bite but that spiky tail would still likely be a primary defense

if anything is going to be mauling or guillotining small carnivores though tis gonna be protoceratops

[burnt bone]

I have had some people put it in the same category as styraco

[uneven mist]

💀rhino is our most unique ceratopsian

[heady warren]

@zealous stone Thanks for your dialogue with @ashen wasp - I got stuck on a call at work, but you essentially said everything I wouldve 👍

Just cant see just a wild and unfocused amount of "things to do" being considered a gameplay loop. I really would love some sort of goal posts that don't send you directly back to do it all again.

I do like the idea of migrations though

[burnt bone]

Migrations are confirmed for U6 so we should see them soon

[random imp]

i mean, the game owes me a playable experience given the fact that i gave them my bucks. So yhea, the game does OWN me something in return. @crisp topaz

[crisp topaz]

You got the game for the money you paid. They don't owe you jack outside of that. If you're dissatisfied, that's what refunds are for. But there's good chance you've owned the game far longer than the refund policy will allow so with that being said you should know better.

[lapis swallow]

@topaz pendant tell me, can we make a good niche for 10 flyers

[topaz pendant]

Sizes I guess? You could have ptera as one of the smallest and then more flyers that bigger up until quetz, eg ptera can eat baby’s something bigger can eat maybe dryos or something around the same size then quetz

[lapis swallow]

So they are the same, just different sizes?

[topaz pendant]

Well they can take on different things

Or some can hunt on the ground and some can hunt in the air

Some could be inland and some can be costal

[lapis swallow]

But the interaction with other players as a flyer is pretty low

Would get boring if a fourth of the server is in the air

[topaz pendant]

Ik but it seems bland to just have ptera and quetz

[lapis swallow]

Give me a flying playable with a unique niche then

And then two more

Or seven more

[topaz pendant]

The geoburnia one could be a baby hunter completely/ one could be a fish eating completely/ one could spent lots of time on land/ one can spent a lot of time on the wing

One could steal eggs

There are alot of options

[lapis swallow]

Ptera is a fish hunter. Quetz spends a lot of time in the air

We dont need that many flyers

[urban bear]

@crisp topaz Im not saying the game ows me anything what I was saying is that The devs don't listen to the community at all and they need to I wasn't implying that they should take every bit of feedback and add it to the game instantly like you seem to think I was saying. I was saying that they need to look at our feedback and use SOME of it to improve the game similar to what rust did at its beginning, nobody wants major content updates when performance can make the game unplayable at times, nobody said it was control of development descions, that's why nobody gives feedback on the roadmap the community just wants to know some of the major issues that always pop up on feedback are at least being heard like the NV problems

[topaz pendant]

😑

[urban bear]

so your saying we paid for our product and we shouldn't care what direction its going in or try to give feedback to improve it?

[quasi vault]

So you're telling me that I just think that the devs don't look at our feedback. And in actuality the players aren't the only ones that read the feedback?

[lapis swallow]

yes

[quasi vault]

Lol

Ight buddy, you can have your opinion

[lapis swallow]

you know the 450 upvote suggestion? They saw it and considered to add it, but they couldnt do it cause engine restrictments

[quasi vault]

When was that post made?

[lapis swallow]

You know the change that made pachy coastal? It was from Rapdex#HelpHypsi

[lapis swallow]

Shortly after 5.5 was released

[vestal rune]

the game has changed drastically due to player feedback lol

[quasi vault]

Coastal in what way? You talking about how you had to migrate to the coasts for coconuts in update 4?

[crisp topaz]

What I'm actually saying is: it's unfair to the devs for a bunch of people to think that, just because they feel passionately about something, they feel obligated to some sort of gratification from the devs. This community is FULL of people who claim the devs lack transparency, when in fact they are some of the most unveiling people in the gaming industry. You get games announced and see nothing on them for literal years, you don't see those communities crying because they aren't seeing every development cycle, live, as it happens? This team gives us devblogs and breaks down every single thing they are essentially doing, but somehow they aren't transparent enough? Also the bottom line to ALL of that is, no community is deserving of that kind of info just because they ask for it. I feel bad for these devs fr because they don't get a break to develope THEIR game. They're too busy trying to please everybody, so to say they aren't reading community feedback is daft considering its small and every bit of info helps, but there becomes a point where people are beating a dead horse. Filipe broke it down in his stream why they don't do more optimizations, because there could be issues that a single programmer would never notice, it could be something involving animation or LOD and they don't have a big enough team to break everybody from what they're doing to tackle those issues, especially since anything they do now could break something else later on. They can do it all in one big patch and have everyone focus on their respective avenues of programming. Everybody is crying because filipe and the devs apparently don't listen to feedback but somehow everybody missed that part.

[lapis swallow]

no the fact that it needs to eat oranges now, which are near coasts

[quasi vault]

I find the variegated oranges just in the jungle

And all around south

Ain't never gone to the coasts for them

[lapis swallow]

but coconuts are near the coast

and oranges

kind of coastal

[quasi vault]

Alright, but thats 1 change. And we have examples where the devs literally state that the most they will do is just glance in there every once in a while, or outright not look at all.

[vestal rune]

we also have examples of the devs drastically changing the game due to player feedback

[quasi vault]

I wouldn't say drastically

[vestal rune]

yes drastically

[quasi vault]

Ight, give me a few examples

Major examples

[vestal rune]

originally the game was meant to be like 3 playable dinos(all carnis) and mainly focused on humans, however the players loved the dinos so much that from the feedback the devs started focusing on the dinos and introduced herbivores and much more compelx game mechanics

[icy lion]

The existence of the herbivore faction, for one

That was wayyyy back there

[quasi vault]

Im talkin about evrima

[vestal rune]

also for a while progression was the main game mode, however people really didn't enjoy progression because they had to spend hours playing dinosaurs they didn't want to, so due to that feedback the devs completely scrapped progression and replaced it with survival

mosto f the same devs that worked on legacy work on evrima lol

naturally the biggest changes are going to be early on

[quasi vault]

The isle was a lot smaller back then. And the devs were far more connected to the community back then

[vestal rune]

they're not really any less connected to the community lol

[urban bear]

Yes, they are transparent they give us devblogs phase 3 and talk to us in chat and I respect them for that, that's something they never use to do and improvements are being made which is good. But the problem is when major Issues go unanswered then development for another major update starts with not even a single comment on one of the problems people feel frustrated, even AAA games with no transparency have been better in the past, games like rainbow 6 siege for example a super hyped game that released in a disastrously made state. You know what the developers did, they listened to their community and now look at the game. Its one of the biggest fps games out there. I'm not saying the devs don't take feedback at all but sometimes it really feels like they dont and as you can see it makes the community unhappy, and then one of the devs says nothing can be trusted on a live stream and that it became a recipe for disaster. In my suggestion I wasn't even referencing filipe I may or may not have once I don't really remember. and as for issues caused by hotfixes thats why the developers need to take time to read FEEDBACK and see what the community is noticing about new patches, a good example being current food values. Terribly messed up for months no action taken with all thats needed being changed values.

[vestal rune]

the primary interaction with the community back then is them talking to people in the discord, and they still do that incredibly commonly

also the general feedback channel, which the devs do actually consider

a lot of balance changes in evrima also came from suggestions from the community

[urban bear]

You can't act like the community is not going to get mad when there are problems that they are constantly giving feedback on with no acknowledgement

[quasi vault]

Yeah bro, buffing stego three separate times is what we all asked for

[urban bear]

I mean we did ask for utah buffs

we got them

[vestal rune]

the devs pretty much always talked in the chat lol, pretty much as long as the discord existed

bro who cares about stego it literally doesn't matter if its OP or not

[quasi vault]

Yeah, and it bit us in the ass

[urban bear]

they over buffed it a bit yeah, we still got what we wanted tho

the whole suggestion channel for months was nerf carno buff utah, it could have been done in a hotfix or something but they did it eventually, when they do rarely use our feedback it just takes a while lol

[quasi vault]

Im a bit biased when it comes to utah. I was a utah main, but I find it far too easy now.

And lets be honest here, those balance changes only happened because of the QA team

[urban bear]

probably yeah

[vestal rune]

the QA and stress test team are also part of the community

[gaunt turret]

stego a tad OP for right now o3o i don’t see it being as OP against things like rex.

[vestal rune]

ye but the thing with stego is you can just run away

[quasi vault]

The problem is the devs only listen to the QA testers

[gaunt turret]

maybe against giga unless they give giga the major buff it needs.

[quasi vault]

Filipe literally said it on stream

[urban bear]

QA is also full of people who just seem to say yes to everything

[heady warren]

agreed, we're in a stand and fight situation

[vestal rune]

and the stress testers as well, stress testers are people selected from the community

filipe said that stress testers give more useful information than just letting all of the community shove their opinions in

[urban bear]

and filipe said he is hesitant with taking their feedback lol

[vestal rune]

they tried doing that with the U4 stress test(which literally the WHOLE point was to get community feedback) and it actually caused issues for them

the reason they made the new stress test team is because it gives more concentrated and useful information

[urban bear]

yeah because people didn't understand they were there to test new content not just play it

[quasi vault]

Alright, but you can't just ignore the vast majority of the community and only listen to a small minority, many of which are just content creators that only play the game to produce videos, and lack foundational knowledge

[vestal rune]

but keep in mind that they still do listen to the rest of the community, they do in fact read the general feedback channel

[quasi vault]

Glance at the feedback channels

[urban bear]

We have almost no proof they read the feedback channel lol especially with recent claims from developers saying they dont

[vestal rune]

the issue with that is that they don't ignore the majority, they just get more useful info from the minority, also I think that's a false statement stress testers were chosen on how useufl they can be

[vestal rune]

punch has stated before he regularly reads the feedback channels, also the devs were already aware of that one popular NV suggestion and considered it but it was too technically challenging