general-feedback-discussion

[remote shore]

Is there a way to access this queue system? as Potato_ said, there doesn't seem to be a queue system for the official servers on Evrima

[icy lion]

It's very very finicky, especially since there's an issue where servers show the wrong numbers. Currently the server has to actually be listed as 100/100, and then the queue will try to work (but it usually doesn't)

[remote shore]

well hopefully they can get it working eventually, thanks for the info regarding this

[dusk meteor]

@scarlet ocean it's not an 80-90 degree pounce. It's more that video games have limitations and a specialised front and back pounce are all a lot more extra work so instead they have set positions for the utah to be upon successful pounce. Utahs should be able to pounce and land where they like, especially the back. However, it is a lot easier to just slightly adjust the side animation for the sides of big animals.
I'd actually like the see a facial pounce which perhaps takes increased stam but does more bleed.

But video games have limitations.

FYI, you can attack a utah out of the pounce. The delay on the attack animation, however, is a major issue when combined with magnetism. Of course, if you land the attack and stun the utah its dead so a face pounce isn't exactly without significant risk but imo the delay on attacks is a bigger problem than the pounce itself, since it makes it harder to actually counter pounce unless you predict the move.

[scarlet ocean]

Makes sense, but you cant really counter or predict the pounce, utahs get up way too fast in the first place. and why would the entire dino roster have to adjust to just 1 dino that could have an easy fix..? Yeah i would agree with the face pounce if it was actually a skillful move. Currently you just press right click and bam, your on it, no questions, just ''yup, cool''.. I did say pounce is good but its definietly busted.

(and what even happened to the early branch mechanic that if a utah missed a pounce when aiming for a dino, they would backflip backwards and in a way get countered and knowned down before they landed, that seemed to be scrapped and it was amazing. obviously adjust it, but i dont think this currnetly branch utah was worth it)

[scarlet ocean]

Sorry, didn’t @ to not ping. But it’s still very much a 80-90 degree pounce, no matter what body part you hit, you get teleported. Host a server for like 3-4 euros/dollars for a day and test it yourself 😳😳

[topaz pendant]

All these mega Utah packs are common now so nerf utahs bleed a bit sometimes as a teno I get pounced by 4 utahs at once and the bleed is so immense and because of the large mega packs the amount of utahs I will there will kill there will still be some left

[scarlet ocean]

Utahs bleeds isn’t get altered at all @topaz pendant, the only thing that happened was pounce was semi almost fixed and the blood pool of carno and stego was minimized. Maybe your dieing cause they’re just getting pounces super easily now. Or you got baby spammed to death 😅😅

[topaz pendant]

I was mainly talking about how a pack of 2-4 utahs is manageable (if you kill 1 or 2 they probably will back down) but packs of 15+ is very hard to handle when playing solo since if you take out 7 there is still 8 left and at that point ur blood is low and can’t run

[scarlet ocean]

ooh ok, srry for the miscommunication, got that message in the first half.
Yeah thats rlly bad o-o thats why i play on rule servers where a max pack of utahs is 8

[topaz pendant]

K

[topaz pendant]

Also I just realised that I posted this in the feedback discussion not the main feedback one 😅

[reef lynx]

@versed fjord this channel is for discussion ... not the feedback :)
The amount of times people say "can i get a new egg, I wanted to be fe/male". No, it's a video game, people want to choose. If you don't care about gender/color, you can simply just press confirm without bothering choosing colors or gender. Hell, click the random button. There, everyone is happy, those who want to choose and those who want it to be random.

[pale crest]

You know what I realized? I think some players and especially newcomers mixpack because they don't exactly understand the consequences. And by that I mean getting rid of a competitor or loosing out on valuable nutrition.

[burnt bone]

@jagged jewel pachy ram and alt do have prio over pounce, but I do hate that they made jousting break both your ribs instantly.

[jagged jewel]

it has a chance of breaking legs

and also why??? it was completely fine before

it made sense to have pachy be immune to other pachies as long as it reacted on time

[burnt bone]

I assume it was unintended since it wasn’t in patch notes. Potentially increasing the fracture ratio and decreasing body fracture health affected it.

[jagged jewel]

possibly

[burnt bone]

Honestly, if it was a balance issue (which I doubt), they could make it knock one or both down.

[jagged jewel]

´make it knock down the one that has had the ram charged for less time

[burnt bone]

Personally, I’d like a 3 strike rule, mainly because it would just be fun. First ram just stuns you both, second makes the loser (either determined by diet/age or by charge duration) fall to the ground. Then the third ram knocks them down or breaks the loser’s ribs if they lost previously.

[jagged jewel]

that makes sense

[burnt bone]

They could work a system like this into other dinos too, like ceratopsians. Maybe elder requires you to win a certain amount of jousts. Just some stuff to do rather than fight to the death.

[rare fractal]

@Resuru#2874 Lemme break down some of the strengths and weaknesses of the abilities in game:
Lunge: Literally cannot be used on a target that has seen or sees the deino.
Is incredibly immobile and borderline location locked to the water.
Cannot be used on a target that doesn’t put themselves within your range.
Is completely negated by obstructions.
Can 1 shot creatures half your weight or smaller but requires loads of setup outside your own agency and a lot of luck to even attempt in the first place.

Swing: Is attached to an enormous, slow creature.
Causes the stego to stop moving.
Cannot be used on a target that doesn’t put themselves within your range.
Does incredibly high damage but again, it literally can’t hit you if you notice the stego and is an incredibly easy ability to bait.

Slam: Can’t be used in persuit, even against slower targets as it’s location locked to the rear 3rd of the creature.
Causes the teno to stop moving.
Has an animated windup.
Does reasonable damage but requires consistent follow up attacks to deal any significant damage.
Is completely useless against anything larger than a Carno.
Diminishing returns via stun cooldown.
Is INCREDIBLY easy to bait as it has the worst AOE/Control ratio of any defensive ability in game currently.

Charge: Requires the most colossal windup and open space of any ability in game.
Incredibly easy to notice and even easier to dodge.
Does decent damage but anything larger than a Dryo will require follow up attacks.
Is entirely self destructive when used against anything at or above your size.
Completely negated by objects.

Ram: Has scalable fracture damage and raw damage based upon a visible windup window that lasts a couple seconds before reaching maximum effectiveness.
Is entirely dependent on locational damage to be viable against certain targets.
Is attached to a critter comparable to a teno in speed, meaning it’s very easy to both bait/dodge or anticipate.
Leaves the Pachy WIDE open.

I’m not going into Dryo dodge or Hypsi spit, I’m just not…

Now for pounce….

[uneven mist]

Holy wall, nah that ain’t a wall, that’s a goddam castle

[zealous violet]

Everyone downvoting my suggestion but then also upvoting someone elses suggestion and its literally the exact same suggestion just formatted differently XD
Like, I know I was tired when I wrote it but damn guys. What gives?

[rare fractal]

Pounce: Can be used from any posture above sitting.
Has the shortest ability “miss animation” of any combat relevant dino.
Can be landed from literally anywhere on the target with equal effectiveness as well as having the highest bleed scaling of any attack in the game, capable of 1.2-1.5 shotting a Pachy (bucked) and 1.8-3 shotting a Carno or teno (Again, still bucked).
Can only be countered (not completely negated) by obstacles, as well as necessitating the target to spend stamina bucking….making it one of the 2 stamina draining attacks in the game.
Has almost zero windup.
Prevents any dino lacking terrain to knock or press the Utah against besides stego from retaliating as the dismount distance can and will compensate for any attack range the target dino has save for stego, and only with pitch perfect timing with AGAIN, no visible windup for the dismount timing.
Is effective against every size category.
Is attached to the second fastest animal in game, and one of the top speedsters in the completed roster.
Is attached to an animal that has a pretty goddamn short growth time, low comparative food requirements, and one of the fastest stamina regen rates of any dino….
Has a hitbox so enormous that your model can straight up travel past the flank of the range get and you’ll still teleportah to the flank, achieving a pounce.
Is attached to an animal commonly running in packs upwards of 3….

Pounce is your candidate for the ability that “isn’t up to par”? Are you serious?!

[gloomy reef]

@tardy talon when was the isle gonna add nudity lol

[rare fractal]

Like I’m confused how using terrain for self defense is both unfair and specific to pounce….it effects literally all abilities to varying degrees but pounce is one of the abilities that has to account for it the least!

Especially considering the existence of Charge, Lunge, and Slam

[tardy talon]

The human models in #isle-phase-three are confirmed to have modeled genitalia and it won’t be censored in game (at least by default)

[gloomy reef]

yay

[uneven mist]

@gloomy reef we already have it

[gloomy reef]

ahhh rippp no lips :((

[uneven mist]

I mean…if you want a lipped tyrannosaurids then Alberto is always a choice too

[gloomy reef]

Lets goo

a lipped dino

[gloomy reef]

Wait is this gonna be in the isle?

[uneven mist]

@barren zephyr Open File Explorer from the taskbar.
Select View > Options > Change folder and search options.
Select the View tab and, in Advanced settings, select Show hidden files, folders, and drives and OK.
Afterwards, at the bottom left of your taskbar there should be a white search bar. Type %APPDATA% in there and open your %APPDATA% folder.
At the top you'll see the filepath, click "Appdata" to go back to the actual Appdata folder, then to local > TheIsle > delete the "Saved" folder.

[uneven mist]

What do you mean?

[uneven mist]

Do you mean if Alberto wil be in the isle? If so yes

[gloomy reef]

Lets go!

[violet magnet]

@hollow carbon my drivers are up to date. Game still runs like poop

and no I can't just go out and buy a brand new NASA computer to run a single game lol

[uneven mist]

Ah Yeah and forgot, acro is Also Lipped

[gritty terrace]

@haughty umbra the entire point of this night vision is to make it so you can see color with the new night vision so they will not make it black and white

[haughty umbra]

ok

[gloomy reef]

yayy

[spring pulsar]

An option to switch between a nerfed version of legacy’s NV and new NV may solve many of the current complaints with the release of NV

[neon zephyr]

I can agree; legacy NV was fine/better.

I never had any issues with it.

Only real complaint I had visually for legacy was the dumb glitches around the human structures (another thing I pray 🙏 doesn't get added, if I can ever even play again after this update)

[hollow carbon]

i know lol i was just joking

[limber hull]

readding legacy NV is the wrong move

[calm granite]

yeah i would like legacy nv

was way scarier

[neon zephyr]

I'd say it's better than this, as someone who now can't play the game anymore.

Give legacy NV some love maybe, to make it better?
Saw that be suggested in another suggestion

But what they did here just.... an entire grouping of gamers will be putting this game to the side now bc its just... unplayable as is.

[limber hull]

adding legacy NV would not work as well for the game as the current

[neon zephyr]

I used to have an issue before the nesting update, where grany white lines much like what is featured in this NV showed up in the flora. This kept me from playing Evrima up until literally the nesting update.

It was a huge surprise and made me really happy to find it had been fixed somehow, and have played it quite a bit since.

But now NV is like that, but 50x worse. 💀

[limber hull]

this NV allows for players to adapt to alternate light sources to daylight, be it human building spotlights, flashlights, night fires and lightning. You can see these lights from a great distance, which will be great in hunting humans. Legacy lighting, however, is great if you want to get lost due to extremely restrictive range on your total field of view

[steel field]

i just hope they tweak it significantly, it really strains my eyes in its current form

legacy nv was god awful when trying to travel around, but at least it did not actively murder my eyes if i stared at it for too long

[neon zephyr]

🤷‍♀️ well, that's cool and all.

But it's still dysfunctional.
It's still going to make me Uninstall the game bc I can't play it anymore.

I'm not saying legacy NV was perfect. Like I said. Give it some love, improve it. Make it better.

Or come up with a better system that doesn't cause these photosensitive issues?? Idk.

But rn, this isn't good. At all.

[limber hull]

just adapt what we have

no need to go back to the drawing board

its good as it is, just needs some small tweaks

[neon zephyr]

Agree to disagree for now; because less than 1 minute of watching the new NV, and I started experiencing eye strain and a headache building up.
I just played the game today before the update; and now I can't play it at all.

So.... that's not "good as is" in my eyes.

[limber hull]

Watching a stream with it now

Looks fine to me

[neon zephyr]

Good for your 👍

Still doesn't change my experience/opinion, though. 😦

But anywho, Imma fly off and take some meds.
You all have a good day ~

[minor elk]

@worn shore I had to hit alt x

[gritty terrace]

@worn shore refer to this #announcements message

[worn shore]

thanks alt X did work

[minor elk]

not everything requires some file delete-age 👍

[limber hull]

"me no like, remove for good"

[humble sleet]

my favorite part is how they were like 'not to sound like a utah fanboy'

[neon zephyr]

Hey I have a serious medical condition that your new feature triggers.

I really love the game, but won't be playing it anymore until the feature is changed, because it immediately caused eye strain and a headache; and risks triggering my medical condition.

Stop being a donkey.

Unless they just don't care about their player base that falls into the photosensitive category, this is something important that needs to be addressed.

It's not about "not liking it"

[limber hull]

Which is why I want it addressed and tweaked

But you want it scrapped and returned to the drawing board

Which I heavily disagree with

[neon zephyr]

I think whether or not they'd need to scrap it, is entirely dependent on whether or not they can actually do something to improve the current one.

[minor elk]

like add actual lighting blease-

(deino nv)

[limber hull]

are you sure its on lmao

[minor elk]

its on

[minor elk]

this is off

[limber hull]

they are the same picture

[minor elk]

1st has my deino outline

but thats the point

[proper sky]

I don't care if they return it to Legacy. I don't care if they just improve upon the current system. Some care just needs to be given to make this game playable to the photosensitive, or there's going to be a lot of people leaving.

[minor elk]

I might of found a break through

testing it rn

[neon zephyr]

👆💯

[minor elk]

HAHAHAHAHAH guys guys guys I got it, turn on gamma with NV on,

its sooooo much better

[rare fractal]

Same lol

[zenith cobalt]

Honestly comparing nighttime with legacy, legacy's little aurora things were much prettier. i missed the first iterations of night, where it was blue and you could see stuff.
Im so disappointed with the like, 10 stars we got lmfao

[wise rune]

legacys nv was trash

[zenith cobalt]

it was arguably more functional than this iteration tho

[cobalt quest]

tbh i find them similar

both are a limited range brightening tool. this one is just inverted.

that being said a few changes need to be made to better accomodate water and foliage-less terrain, cause yeah those are like walking through voids rn

[wise rune]

this iteration of nv definitely needs tweaking yeah

[cobalt quest]

yeah, i find the two very similar just, from a functionality point of view.

[neon zephyr]

Legacy (edited) never caused me eye strain and looks nothing like this...

Would the inversion itself be the issue?

[cobalt quest]

legacy nv caused me SEVERE eye strain.

the darkness of this helps me eyes, personally.

[crisp topaz]

It feels like a slight mix of standard NV combined with this new military grade NV. If they could light up the entirety of the landscape and change the line transparency I think that would be most fitting

[cobalt quest]

yeah i think the ground/any surface jsut kinda needs a slight.. idk

line..shading?? to it? maybe

also softening the lines to more gently hazes for people who are having trouble with the crispness might help.

[wise rune]

just something so its not pitch black and you arent stumbling around blindly

[cobalt quest]

like a toggle-able option.

[wise rune]

in plains and all that atleast

[neon zephyr]

I wish there was more detail I could give, besides "this hurts".

Idk if it's the bright white outlines themselves, or what the issue is.

Just... as soon as I look at it, it hurts

[cobalt quest]

the plains i dont have issue with because i have high graphics? so theres a ton of grass for me to see where im walking fortunately

i can imagine osmeone with lower graphics might have it realllly dark out there tho

[neon zephyr]

The only issues I ever had with Legacy was near the human structures bc of the weird glitch effect they decided to add.

[cobalt quest]

legacy just hurt my eyes ngl

[wise rune]

yeah true, maybe more defining features to help you in the dark

[crisp topaz]

Plains is generally the only places I have complaints. It seems logical to have NV light up the landscape in a way that's hued like a grayish color and use the detail lines as the ACTUAL night vision

[cobalt quest]

burned? i had to log at night

[neon zephyr]

Hmm, that's interesting

[cobalt quest]

i no longer have to log at night. BUT, maybe try turning your gamma.. down?

ik thats contradictory but it softens the light to a nice dark grey.

[neon zephyr]

I've never used any sort of gamma edits before.

[cobalt quest]

if you have light sensitivity its pretty important!

helps a lot with just day to day computing, its.. well why the feature genuinely exists on computers in the first place

[neon zephyr]

Fair enough.

[wise rune]

yeah theres probably a filter you can find on nvidia or somewhere that can help

[neon zephyr]

I don't use nvidiea

[cobalt quest]

if the lightness is currently harming your eyes though, you might wanna play with gamma in general and dim it to a comfortable level.

[crisp topaz]

High or even default gamma sometimes can cause a strain. I often turn mine down slightly below recommended, and keep everything on my phone in dark mode lol.

[cobalt quest]

cause i have mine set to a point where whites dont hurt my eyes

[wise rune]

if you have a nvidia gpu i suggest it highly

[cobalt quest]

yee exactly

thats why old nv messed with my eyes, it was like. literally a flashlight beam LOL

[neon zephyr]

Idrk if it's the brightness of the lines or not.

My monitor screen is pretty dark as is; usually can't see crap where my friends say they can see well on their monitors 😂

[cobalt quest]

yeah being able to make the lines more.. faint/greyer might help some folk ingame

[limber hull]

lmao true

[primal spear]

Playing as deinosuchus at night is much better seen going underwater than on the surface, this is totally unnatural and no sense ...

[neon zephyr]

Maybe; might see if I can look at a few streams with different settings or something.
The problem is that any time I look at it not "fixed" - it's going to hurt.
It took less than a minute for it to hurt when I first saw it.

Maybe/hopefully some of the tweaks people are suggesting will help.
(i.e. the fainter/greyer lines)

But really I'm not sure I see myself playing at all until I see how the devs work on this.
I get it's the first release. Feedback is important.

[limber hull]

I think less anti-aliasing makes it look significantly worse

[steel field]

i hope they just rework it entirely at some point

[reef rain]

I’m a fan of the current night vision. I understand that I’m in the minority here but it would be nice to have a few different types we could change between in the settings.

[limber hull]

im with you, but not on the changing between NV types

that would grant several unfair advantages

and discrepancies in balance

[reef rain]

At that point it’s just up to making sure they’re balanced but I understand that balance has always been a sore spot for the isle

[limber hull]

you cant balance that

if two people see the world differently, one person will always have an advantage in a certain scenario, no matter how small

[rare fractal]

I only can’t get behind the style because I can’t look at it for any longer than 10 minutes at a time….like I’m not even able to argue on the basis of mechanical functionality when I can’t even assess the item of discussion

[reef rain]

Looks like we’ll probably be getting a new night vision soon from the current community response

[rare fractal]

Yeah, my take seems to be dominant…which is unfortunate because aesthetically I like it but I can’t play with it

[calm granite]

after playing with the nv for about 3 hours i hate it

[rare fractal]

Leaves me in a special brand of dejection

[calm granite]

visually unpleasing and super buggy

[rare fractal]

I’d prolly come to a similar conclusion if I witnessed it for longer than I did

[calm granite]

but i managed

my eyes survived the isle

[rare fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-darth-vader-gif-13593833

[calm granite]

legacy nv but better would be so nice.

in the jungle this nv is fine but plains, beach and the rocks, yikes

[distant storm]

@keen sparrow I have played since release and I feel similar. It seems like it's just a place to keep the masses at bay by giving a place to give feedback but it's ignored. I agree that 'leaving' to come back is like checking in on an old friend that's just.. struggling to make it. Nothing feels like tangible progress.

However, sometimes the way a game develops isn't what you want or desire in it's end-form. Some games grow into masterpieces, and some turn into games you just wouldn't purchase. Legacy is something I'd purchase at first glance, but not if I knew all the roster was basically locked off. Evrima is not what I would pay for at all. Steam doesn't show this game for what it is, which is really frustrating. At it's current state, it's not only frustrating to see the game fall so hard, but also continue to disappoint.

[keen sparrow]

Yup

Sad is all it is

I loved legacy, played that game for hours with friends and even with the locked roster, most of the things you could play as were fun

I just want to give the devs a slap in the face, they don’t seem to care about the game anymore

And I don’t know why that is either, they’re still putting money into the game, but at this point it almost feels like they’re trying to revive something that really isn’t there anymore

[gritty terrace]

@soft adder refer to this #announcements message

[distant storm]

My love for Legacy though stops short at it's many issues. Though I feel like the mindset that it was irreparable is insulting and belittling to the talents of the crew. Legacy had a number of issues, but the fact it is more stable and better to play through the day/night cycle at this point is so heartbreaking.

[keen sparrow]

I seriously can’t a circumstance in which this game actually ends up being good, the devs have dug a bigass hole for themselves

[distant storm]

It can recover, just needs to take the feedback to the floor.

[keen sparrow]

idk, they’ve had two years to do that

[distant storm]

I know, seems like it's been a drag for the last 2 years as well. I know I've heard that this is not a pioneered genre, but at this point it just feels like it's an excuse. There has been many games that have humans vs monsters (dinos in this case) that have been successful and developed well.

[rare fractal]

That, and they just need to prove their ability to execute something well. Every single update has come with foundation degrading bugs and gameplay issues….that needs to come before anything

[keen sparrow]

that’s a lot of if

they haven’t yet, that’s the problem

it’s like saying “oh I’ll get around to it eventually”, you don’t prove anything until you actually do it

[distant storm]

If evrima could run as smoothly or better than legacy I would literally buy the game for people.. But I can run legacy all day with no stutter.. evrima I'm lucky to get past 5 minutes without tanking to 2-8fps

[keen sparrow]

yep

The fps isn’t a big problem for me, it’s the constant lag and for some reason the game just doesn’t suck me in anymore like legacy used to do

Despite the good atmospherics in evrima

Idrk why that is tbh

[distant storm]

Lost of pounce latching from old legacy, people not mix-packing and meta gaming, the nights and days were enjoyable. I've never seen any game complain about Gamma EVER. Only the isle..

[exotic jewel]

The ping is often skyrocketing on evrima, today and in the past 4 days, its hit over 300 atleast 10+ times a day. FPS flops to below 10 and the game just gets super UN fun to play. Not to mention the new night vision, my eyes have been straining VERY hard to work out details. I agree with you lot

[distant storm]

I wish they'd just not worry about gamma and focus on making the game beautiful and deadly..

it doesn't need to be dark to be scary.. that's music, atmosphere, and the situation.

[rare fractal]

Mhm, usually in games the darkness is only used to contrast areas of generally good lighting

If everything is dark, it’s not scary, that’s just the new normal

And plus

[keen sparrow]

that’s something legacy was good at, that game was actually scary at times

[rare fractal]

You need to actually see the game

[distant storm]

I'd rather make humans be gamma-less/have to use NV goggles or something.. Make dinosaurs be able to see fine.

[rare fractal]

As much as I loath legacy NV that’s right…..

[exotic jewel]

yes. In legacy, i used to poop myself at night with the scary music. It was so chilling, and i loved listening to sound tracks and watch the sun rise ontop of the rocks

[keen sparrow]

I can’t ever get over the feeling of hearing a dilo somewhere in the trees but you know it can see you

evrima honestly feels like a stale knockoff lol

[exotic jewel]

and the scary ambience starts playing 😭

[rare fractal]

Tbh the way I’d do it would be by changing how much visibility the player got in areas not hit by moonlight, so most Dino’s would see with a similar clarity of U4.5 nights if they’re in an open area, but only some Dino’s could be efficient in forests, and less Dino’s in caves

Instead of everything just being lighter or darker

Or everything being harder to see or easier

[keen sparrow]

idk I’ve always been a fan of legacy nv

I’d be happy if the devs decided to change it to that

[distant storm]

They just needed to improve systems not replace NV with something edgy

[rare fractal]

If it wasn’t an immediate cutoff I might agree….but there’s no gradient

[rare fractal]

What I suggested is significantly less edgy than making the entire world black and white(if that was an indirect response to me, if not sorry lol )

[exotic jewel]

compared to evrima its a lot, smoother to see

[keen sparrow]

Yea but that’s a minor issue, If they just polished the legacy nv and put it into evrima I’d would be perfect imo

but of course

They have to actually listen to the people

[exotic jewel]

indeed

[keen sparrow]

I would not be surprised at all if we get a final product for nv that looks almost exactly like what we have rn

[rare fractal]

I’d actually replace the vision drop off with clarity instead

[distant storm]

the NV for most only being a body-length away would have been perfect for humans, and give the other creatures something bigger with nocternal roster getting dilo's distance.

[exotic jewel]

this sounds decent, i like the idea

[keen sparrow]

yea

I’m mostly saying I like the look of the legacy nv

it looked real, and it was scary

That’s bout it

[exotic jewel]

it did, and cheers to devs for that

[keen sparrow]

the old devs

[exotic jewel]

we miss that completely on evrima, we jsut loose the complete .. ability to see

or see without eye straining

What I found with legacy, i usually sat as i think it was para? I havent played recently to remember if para is in legacy or not, but i was nesting and on an island, usng nv occasionally.

The green tint relaxes eyes i find, and I just chilled UNTILL the spooky/combat ambience arrived. That made me get up, and move into a bush, it really shows how the ambience affects the gameplay, and tbh, yes evrima has scary points with ambience but its not the same, spine chilling feel legacy gave us

[keen sparrow]

exactly

And idk how right i am about this, but I think most of the legacy stuff was made by a dev who left due to certain reasons between him and dondi

I really don’t know if we’ll ever get that “legacy charm” with the current devs working on the game

https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/3186862565350426156/

this basically explains how I’m feeling

[violet magnet]

the first time I played was progression on Region 2, I was running blindly through a pitch black valley and almost ran into a rex that looked like this and darn near had a heart attack

the grainy monochrome nightvision had its spooky moments, but it just NEVER had the same vibe as the spooks I used to get on Region 2 when I would be wandering through a dark forest or near a mountain shadow, waiting to see if something would jump out and eat me

[barren zephyr]

Picture is coming together. Thanks Ducki

[limber hull]

He left for more reasons than just that, and I really think people see him in a better light than he should be seen in, but that’s not a discussion for here

[violet magnet]

I've heard like three different stories about what "actually happened" and don't know who to believe anymore lol

[keen sparrow]

There’s a video about it somewhere

Sidalpha made a thing about it too

[steel field]

i have heard so many contradicting perspectives from so many people claiming "i was there bruh" that i no longer give a damn anymore about that whole ordeal

[violet magnet]

same tbh
I no longer care who did what I just care that the game's busted and it's not getting fixed

[keen sparrow]

lmfao

true

[wise rune]

although i never played region 2, playing for the first time on legacy was such a better experience, i had no idea where i was or what to do to survive. at nights it was such a frightening experience. you just dont get that anymore on legacy or evrima. and after about 100-200 hours of play, both of them lose their survival and horror factors and they just become an endless pvp simulator.

[keen sparrow]

I think we just gotta accept that it ain’t gonna get fixed

It’s unfortunate but it’s true

[wise rune]

i mean its good to have hope, but yeah at the rate its going its not looking good lol

[violet magnet]

I want it to get fixed and I want this to be a game I can lose hours or days to again
but right now, lol nah

[wise rune]

^

[keen sparrow]

^^

[orchid moon]

had to be said

[violet magnet]

[keen sparrow]

Gonna screenshot this chat for when the game finally deceases

[limber hull]

Jesus Christ you people are so negative all the time

“I don’t like the NV” does not equal game death

Bringing back old NV solves absolutely nothing but appealing to some sense of nostalgia

[wise rune]

bringing back legacy nv is not the right move

[limber hull]

It is arguable worse for the game’s future to bring it back

Hate it as much as you like, the newer NV meshes well with plans for humans and weather events like fire and lightning

[violet magnet]

*bringing back a functional mechanic that lets us move at night, instead of us sitting in a hole because we can't see to move

why do dinosaurs have nightvision based on human-made military nightvision goggles anyway
the monochrome Legacy nightvision at least looked like what you'd expect animal nightvision to look like

[barren zephyr]

Wavepoole = strange goober

[rare fractal]

How is fire and lightning related to NV? They’d just make the environment brighter

[barren zephyr]

Isn’t there a lot of good simulation of what animal nightvision looks like. But I agree w the “what you’d expect it to look like”
Fairly intuitive

[keen sparrow]

What the devs have been doing for 7 years=game death

This is not just about nv lol

[violet magnet]

ye this is a bigger issue than just nightvision that's been going on for a long time lol

[steel field]

i heard people already found a way to abuse gamma with the new NV

[minor elk]

@cinder fossil it can be abused by gamma still, turn on gamma when using nv and see how much better it looks

[violet magnet]

some streamers lightened their gameplay recordings in post production but I haven't heard of anyone using gamma in-game yet

[minor elk]

me

now turn on your gamma it makes nv look better please

[violet magnet]

👀

[rare fractal]

I don’t think you can completely negate the use of gamma without making the game awful to look at

[minor elk]

every time the isle updates something breaks their gamma "fix" makes their nv atrocity look better

no gamma

Gamma

how to fix shitty nv:

[barren zephyr]

Nice post user The_EGC

Why don’t they just crank up the gamma by default so any further increase

• has no noticeable benefit
• their eyes will not survive the isle

[minor elk]

no one will survive the isle at this rate lets be real

[tardy talon]

It’s indicative of a negative direction for the game.

The devs first revealed it, what, like a week ago? And now it’s already live.

We should have seen previews way earlier.

And while I don’t want to see the legacy NV system return, it’s much better in terms of actually being able to see and atmosphere.

There are ways to make a NV system that plays well with humans without doing… this.

[barren zephyr]

🙏 one can only hope

[wise rune]

^, although i think tweaking might be needed

[barren zephyr]

20$ or whatever it was is not a bad price for accesible un survival

[steel field]

i dont really see how this NV has to do with fire and lightning

can see both of those just fine witouth it, and even with other types of NV it would look just as natural

[tardy talon]

Alternative light sources actually show up in this NV unlike legacy, which is cool, but it doesn’t matter when the NV barely works and has no atmosphere

[reef nacelle]

They did say it is the first iteration. It will get tweaked in 6.5

[wise rune]

i think its maily how its compatible with those systems, because if it was designed differently it would have an effect on alot of those systems in a negative way

[tardy talon]

How far away is that?

[reef nacelle]

Months no doubt

[tardy talon]

There are plenty of ways to design it to complement those without doing this

[wise rune]

cant really tell anymore just releases when it does

[analog ingot]

So how to avoid gamma abusers

[tardy talon]

Making the night vision system look good should be first priority

[steel field]

you dont

[analog ingot]

lol

[minor elk]

no escaping me

[tardy talon]

If it’s on the live branch, it shouldn’t be WIP

[reef nacelle]

it is a matter of taste. It looks good to me and does that job

[cinder fossil]

Make it so the game crashes if gamma is involved

[tardy talon]

Looks like most people disagree based on the feedback channel

[minor elk]

lol

[barren zephyr]

If your monitor uses pixels the islse will crash

[analog ingot]

If they can't solve it then they shouldn't waste more time on it and allow brightness like in bob so its fair for everyone. I rather see that than half of the players gamma abuse and other half just dies.

[wise rune]

if you play the isle your pc will crash

[reef nacelle]

Most in that channel maybe, but that does not necessarily reflect the entire playerbase. But my point is still the same

[barren zephyr]

If you download the isle it will be the last download your pc will ever make

[steel field]

#general-feedback message

[tardy talon]

Then the entire player base should voice there opinion

[steel field]

i will keep bumping this suggestion

[reef nacelle]

True... I think we are agreeing

[cinder fossil]

My opinion is that night vision gives me a headache

[wise rune]

tell it not to

[minor elk]

why do people complain about using gamma when its so simple and easy to use? its part of your pc, its not like you have to install a scary app or smthin

[barren zephyr]

Please do

[tardy talon]

Darkness is important in balancing

[cinder fossil]

It’s the fact we have to use it to actually see

[analog ingot]

nice, devs should do this

[minor elk]

ok but thats not a player fault its a dev fault

why struggle when you dont have to?

[barren zephyr]

Oh? Your eyes and brain physically cannot withstand the eye strain? Oh you’ve a photosensitive disability/condition? Oh? You have eyes? Skill issue

[violet magnet]

i don't see why they'd release half a product either
if this nightvision is "supposed to mesh well with humans and weather events", but we have neither of those things in-game currently, then it's just...an unfinished product that barely functions on its own

[tardy talon]

Yep

[reef nacelle]

Like most recent updates then

[cinder fossil]

They’re releasing unfinished stuff because people keep asking for it, everyone is thirsty for content

[wise rune]

they need to polish them instead of giving in to the endless begging

[reef nacelle]

Their team is too small to give updates at the speed the game needs by now

[minor elk]

rather have brighter nights then nv

[wise rune]

although theres a point in which it becomes ridiculous

[steel field]

as long as they dont slop down to PoT levels of half assed stuff

[barren zephyr]

Good point :)
I feel transparent communication would satisfy many, or at least a greater pool of QA testers

[minor elk]

shhhhhh dont jinx us

[tardy talon]

The biggest problem is the devs never respond to feedback

They are decently transparent about what they’re working on

[minor elk]

👆

[barren zephyr]

Agreed. Even just acknowledging the feedback in some shallow fashion would do wonders

[analog ingot]

guess devs are too busy

[minor elk]

they are more of a "sorry you feel that way" type rather then "lets see how we can work on fixing it"

[violet magnet]

unpopular opinion but I really did not mind the era of weekly hotfixes
we got fixes for issues FAST and didn't have to wait for MONTHS for the devs to do something about a gamebreaking issue (like optimization), it just got fixed

[cinder fossil]

Certain developers get unnecessarily defensive when something negative about the game is said, some of their replies are highly unprofessional

[violet magnet]

yep

[analog ingot]

lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah yeah I feel :] responsiveness is critical for appeasing the masses IMO

[cinder fossil]

If you don’t like what someone said, don’t respond
It’s just that easy

[barren zephyr]

[dire bear]

Note trying to hate but I just dont get why they didnt just slap the legacy's night vision system on

[wise rune]

no

[analog ingot]

cause gamma abusers

[steel field]

legacy nv is pretty bad

[dire bear]

It would have taken much less effor but been 1000x better

[barren zephyr]

I do really appreciate the discord mods in the server. Superlunary is always busting their ass and maintaining a polite no-nonsense attitude. I know it’s soul crushing work for her but man am I grateful

[cinder fossil]

Because it had flaws

[dire bear]

The only flaw is gamma abuse

[minor elk]

makes me sad that nv (along with other little things) need to be fixed and people in the phase 3 request still want content now that will break the game even more

[barren zephyr]

It’s not hate dw ^_^ ur allowed 2 discuss things

[steel field]

traveling at night with legacy NV was awful, it was impossible to see where you were traveling to half the time

[dire bear]

This new system, is just 1 big flaw. Its an ugly, jarring, buggy mess that should be scrapped, buried, and forgotten. No hate to the devs btw im just giving my honest opinion

[cinder fossil]

Night vision shouldn’t make you want to use gamma

[minor elk]

^

[violet magnet]

and re: QA testing

go through QA testing
release to the playerbase after a week or so
get feedback from the players (more valuable feedback because the game is being played and stress-tested in the setting it's ultimately meant to be played in, as a multiplayer with hundreds of players online at a time, so bugs that can impact gameplay will become obvious)
hotfixes to fix bugs
rinse and repeat until stable, playable game

[analog ingot]

Its not quite aesthetically pleasing and ruins nice night screenshots yeah

[dire bear]

Actually old system was so much better

Seeing glowing white eyes in the distance was terrifying

[barren zephyr]

Constructing the game in modules, made to allow further updates to mesh well into it easily, would be nice. Polishing out what we have n then adding on to it- or removing the game from early access. Either or

[dire bear]

It made the isle more a survival horror game

[minor elk]

fair

[dire bear]

This new system feels like 50 dollar night vision goggles

On dinosaurs btw, not people.

[barren zephyr]

What a wonderful process you have described. I miss the hotfixes <\3 why’d they stop? I know ppl were having update issues but, man

[violet magnet]

they could save this nightvision for humans
y'know, since it's based on human nightvision tech anyway

[barren zephyr]

Nighttime in the isle

[minor elk]

I would gladly take update issues that can be fixed with a steam restart over this

[minor elk]

[dire bear]

I would rather have gamma abusers wallhacking in exchange for a terrifying, realistic, and sensible night vision

Than no gamma abusers for THIS

[minor elk]

you can use gamma for the nv, makes it look nicer imo

especially for deino

[dire bear]

Also the lighting is messed up too. During sunsets it looks like its switching from day and night and back and forth in the matter of seconds, looks ugly IMO

[barren zephyr]

They’re part of the horror

Shout out to the egc for making the isle scarier

[minor elk]

sad yey

[analog ingot]

couldn't find a better picture but, the isle

[steel field]

bRUH

[dire bear]

So sad that these updates are horrible because the isle is still the best dinosaur game on the market. Beasts of Bermuda wishes it was the isle

[steel field]

BoB doenst know what it wants to be half the time

[minor elk]

bob is....kind of a cryptid

[steel field]

yea thats one way to put it

[violet magnet]

at least in BoB I can see at night

[minor elk]

^^^^^^^

[dire bear]

true

[wise rune]

you can see black and white at night wym

[violet magnet]

legacy isle nightvision in BoB??? 100% REAL not Clickbait??

[dire bear]

Honestly why cant they just make nights dark and proper with proper lighting while just adding a black and white filter with gamma increased as their night vision

[distant storm]

#general-feedback message

This but Grayscale option too

pls keep this bumped

[steel field]

preach it brother/sister

[distant storm]

I want to see eye shines/not outlines

[steel field]

like

[distant storm]

Just imagine the venom hallucinations you can do with this

[violet magnet]

underwater vision used to have an effect like this too

[distant storm]

Gored/dislocated jaw looking creatures that lurk in the dark, like forcing NV when venom activates but it makes you trip balls in a green/purple hue

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-predator2-predator-vision-gif-16956134

lol idk I think its cool

[distant storm]

The thermal should be for SELECT species

[analog ingot]

yeah

[limber hull]

It HARD caps the range of vision and obscures light sources. You answered your own question.

[distant storm]

use mud/stay wet to camo

[violet magnet]

troodon troodon troodon
tiny heatseeking venomous missile

[distant storm]

The best thermals would honestly be niche to nocteral hunting, like dilo or say alberto?

Alberto would avoid the same tiers like sucho or some pseudo-apexes by hunting at night

[violet magnet]

troodon is supposed to be nocturnal tho isn't it?

[limber hull]

Alberto is a tier below sucho.

[rare fractal]

It’d obscure light sources by virtue of being a dominant light source yes, that’s not really related to NV as a mechanic as much as it is a mechanic of all vision, that’d apply during the day as well. And what about lightning or fire hard caps the range of sight? If anything it’d only extend it

[steel field]

yes

[limber hull]

Legacy NV does that

Not fire

You cannot see beyond it’s dictated range

[rare fractal]

Oh I was specifically asking about fire and lightning

[violet magnet]

maybe like a flashbang
so you momentarily go blind
but which would also definitely be a potential epilepsy trigger

[minor elk]

now that I think about it, drinking at night is going to be 100x more scary because your cant even see the water now so they did one thing right on the quest for horror

[distant storm]

I was just saying to make more than 1 dino pure-nocturnal. Just an example but I'd rather see something else have it. Like a flyer/owl niche

[rare fractal]

Only if it’s striking directly next to you, irl lightning only really enhances visibility before it returns to normal most of the time, as the majority of the time you won’t be making close calls with a bolt of lightning

[rare fractal]

Tbf, there’s already 2

[distant storm]

screams in nocternal thermal hunting beipi-

[violet magnet]

#NocturnalDryo2023

[distant storm]

[rare fractal]

Ok now I want predator beipi

Give it a shoulder canon asap

[dire bear]

tbh why do we even need night vision? In real life, humans and animals' eyes adapt to the darkness in order to see better. Why not just make it so that during the night, your eyes adjust and the black becomes less dark while the white becomes brighter? Just a simple contrast change is all it takes, literally would take no effort but be better than this system

[distant storm]

[minor elk]

not bad

[distant storm]

cause everygame does that and some want to be different

[rare fractal]

If it were up to me I’d make NV change the brightness of shadows instead of the entire game

[dire bear]

Like not a gamma change, just a lightening of blacks and whites. If you use photoshop u know what I mean

This would be so easy to implement

[dire bear]

Thats exactly what I mean.

If in real life u go outside at night where there is no city lights. Everything is still somewhat visible because moonlight and your eyes natural adaptation. The isle could be like this too

[distant storm]

I don't understand why the dinos have this vision IMO. It make no sense, if human had this new NV with goggles it'd be fine.. but not the dinos.

[dire bear]

Also I dont know any games that do that. Most just have static lighting

[distant storm]

I was being sarcastic. That most just transition, not force anti-gamma systems.

[dire bear]

No joke I think this idea would benefit a game like the isle greatly

[distant storm]

I don't see anti gamma systems in a lot of horror games besides making pure black fog/only the lights work. It doesn't work for animal vision?

I think that's what bothers me the most, using this new NV on the dinosaur's view.

[dire bear]

Exactly it looks like some cheap night vision goggles that my utah bought of ebay

[distant storm]

I just wish the NV was a transition than a sudden on/off. I'd rather it be seemless (for the dinos) and it gets improved with diet and age.

Until elder ofc

[ripe thistle]

Gotta love it when you can't even call out the nonsense taking place in feedback. Feelsbadman.

[violet magnet]

instead of making everything pitch black there could be a fog border at the edges of your nightvision range
so turning up gamma would just make the fog more opaque

or just make nighttime brighter

[dire bear]

Either that or they could use my suggestion of just making the blacks brighter during the night time, just like how real eyes do.

tbh anything would be better than what we have right now

[distant storm]

amen jesus

[cunning verge]

I know that alot of people have brought up eye strain with the nv. But any others think it is very distracting and jumps your focus to detail to detail? I couldn't last 20 sec with it on for all of those reasons lol

[dire bear]

This system clearly took alot of work to make and thats what bothers me. They are never going to scrap something that took this long to make. But in the end the system is still garbage. You could spend 1000 hours making the perfect sock, but in the end its still a stinky sock that no one wants to wear.

[violet magnet]

which nonsense

[steel field]

for me its the strain on my eyes, but i also feel like it... just does not fit at all, it feels like a visual bug more than a feature imo

[cunning verge]

mhm

think I'm gonna stick to wondering aimlessly in the pitch dark

[steel field]

i think il do that too instead of using the nv

its gonna suck but eh, better than getting a headache

[cunning verge]

my brain will thank me in the long run

[distant storm]

I'd like a dinos NV based on movement, like it'd flicker/ pulse a beat of it's body when it shifted. Like the use of mouse/arrows causes you to light up to that dino.

[faint marsh]

the year is 2022 and I'd like to request a log-in queue

[distant storm]

And walking or trotting is less than running.

[dire bear]

man thats waaay too complicated. Especially if this cant even be gotten right

[violet magnet]

Isle Expert Mode:
Wandering around a forest with nightvision off, try not to walk over a cliff hidden behind bushes

[distant storm]

it was in then it was gone

[distant storm]

it's long-term dreams

[dire bear]

we can only hope

[distant storm]

never meant for the eyes of man

[cunning verge]

you get used to it haha

[ripe thistle]

Having to cater to every possible disability or be fussed at to scrap it. Some people can't drive. Cars are still made. Some can't read. Hello discord. Some can't look at flashing lights, hello movies and tv shows with them aplenty.

[violet magnet]

"Accessibility is a big scary multi-syllabic word and it INTIMIDATES ME"

[limber hull]

I personally believe the reaction is far too severe. This issue can be resolved in a hotfix, but Isle players see in such black and white that apparently if it doesn’t work at first, scrap it entirely and don’t try again

[violet magnet]

"Some people can't drive. Cars are still made."

[steel field]

some people are taking it far yes, but i still think it needs a significant tweak

[cunning verge]

you got to put it in mind if you want to improve anything

[limber hull]

The “make it legacy” sentiment is utterly absurd

[steel field]

personally id like to see it scrapped and replaced with something else, yes, BUT NOT LEGACY NV

[cunning verge]

agree

better than anything we got rn

[limber hull]

I literally only think it needs a few changes, I love the direction so far

[violet magnet]

it is causing people to get migraines
actual real physical effects that people weren't experiencing before, that they're now experiencing with the implementation of this nightvision
this ain't a small thing that can be brushed aside if devs want to retain those players

[wise rune]

all it needs is a few tweaks and it can be great

[limber hull]

It is quite literally one of the coolest looking things I have seen in this game for a long while

[ripe thistle]

Accessibility is a courtesy. Not a requisite that should be met with "This is horrible, get rid of it or I'm leaving" complaints. If you don't want to play a game that has a feature you can't handle, that's a -you- problem. Just like I choose to deal with the headaches because I enjoy the game overall. Some can't, not up to the devs to cater to them.

[limber hull]

To lose that aesthetic would be a great loss imho

[steel field]

i dont vibe with the art style of the NV one bit, that much is a very small thing, the main problem is it causing pain on my eyes and brain

[midnight stirrup]

@compact iron the best part is, you know DAMN well the devs won’t fix NV. Or Atleast not for a looong time

[violet magnet]

"If you don't want to play a game that has a feature you can't handle, that's a -you- problem."

The issue is that people want to play the game but physically can't because of the nightvision being a photosensitivity trigger

[midnight stirrup]

Why in gods name would you go through unnecessary pain just to play the isle lmfao

[limber hull]

Devs likely won’t revert the change (I’d be disappointed if they did). We’ll more likely see a hotfix soon.

[steel field]

https://tenor.com/view/cia-bane-baneposting-batman-foryou-gif-4973985

[ripe thistle]

@midnight stirrup Because it's mild and I enjoy the game. Pretty sure I mentioned that. And I know that my issue doesn't require them to change their product.

[midnight stirrup]

it doesn’t

[compact iron]

Yep :’)
In its current state, the game is… genuinely unplayable for me, and a lot of others. And RIGHT when I was really getting back into it.

[steel field]

well not everyone here has "mild" responses, some people actually struggle with the NV

[violet magnet]

☝️

[ripe thistle]

And such is a fact of life across the board when it comes to video games. Always has been, always will be.

[midnight stirrup]

Mine is literally unplayable, with or without Nv. My games bugged to hell so I can’t do anything.

[cunning verge]

a lot of players here have disabilities when it comes to sensory. So that would be a huge loss of players, especially when it becomes a big mechanic in the future.

[violet magnet]

downplays physical effects other people are having with the new nightvision
"my experience is all that matters"
FOH
inb4 mute

[steel field]

jesus christ man

[ripe thistle]

Not at all what I said, but okay.

[violet magnet]

the basic gist of what you said

[ripe thistle]

Not even close. Maybe don't let your emotions affect your reading comprehension

[compact iron]

The issue is that it literally used to be fine with old NV. It’s the new mechanic that they’re using. They made it less accessible, when the old thing used to work fine. Like… I see what they’re going for, but it just… ain’t it, chief.

[violet magnet]

[steel field]

the issue here is that we used to be able to play just fine, then because of a CONTENT UPDATE, we no longer can play it properly because its assaulting our eyes

plus devs always have said accessibility is important

[analog ingot]

ye dont they have suppport for colorblind folks?

[ripe thistle]

The same can be said for Dishonored, Apex Legends, WoW, League, Spider-man, NieR or just about any other game with visual focus. Could they have a setting in it down the line, sure. Not saying no to that. What I'm calling out is the fact that all manner of negative and simply complaining 'feedback' is being allowed because of the accessibility argument being a free pass to break the rules.

[analog ingot]

boomer games

[cunning verge]

they don't have eyestrain nv though

[ripe thistle]

Congratulations, you have no brain.

[steel field]

how exactly is any of the feedback being given breaking the rules?

[ripe thistle]

Not you, Slomurr.

[steel field]

i will agree some of the feedback given was pretty stupid

[analog ingot]

Was that aimed at me?

[ripe thistle]

Of course not. Why would I do that?

[steel field]

but i dont think anyone broke rules

[violet magnet]

WoW has accessibility settings, including talk-to-text, text-to-speech, and subtitles

[ripe thistle]

And yet it still has plenty of visual content that, written in the game's 'before you play' warning, mentions epilepsy or photosensitive reactions. They made their product, made some adjustments, but can't ultimately account for every measure of photosensitivity or the like.

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/woas-what-tf-gif-20696972

[clever junco]

not going to lie. NV on the gator is pretty bad... it dose nothing for you at all unless your looking around above the water. when under water you get no benefit from it.

[compact iron]

The issue is that

1. it’s so bad it’s causing issues for people who ARENT photosensitive. That’s… bad. Like. I regularly draw eyestrain art and love flashing videos and this gave me a headache .
2. It USED to be fine, and they made it worse/less accessible. it’s a downgrade.

Yeah not all games can be fully accessible, but… this isn’t good.

[analog ingot]

The aesthetic is bad imo

[limber hull]

Which is why I think it just needs a hotfix

[ripe thistle]

That's been a lighting/glare issue for Evrima for over a year though. Not just specific to NV. Adjusting your own settings can alleviate a lot of the issue in most cases.

[violet magnet]

I could barely get through a ~3 minute long video of a streamer testing it out

wears glasses but has no history of photosensitivity, could play this game and others for hours before now without issue

[analog ingot]

It needs a lot of tweaks and color fixes to look good for me imo

[limber hull]

They had it in a good spot before, they can do it again

I think the aesthetic is good as is, just needs to be a bit easier on the eyes

I love the outline stuff so far

[compact iron]

1. A hotfix isn’t going to fix it, the whole system causes issues.
2. @limber hull no??? I’ve been fine on evrima up until now. My parter, who is ACTUALLY photosensitive, has been fine until now. It’s just this NV style.

[limber hull]

We have footage of it in a better state in ST

It’s quite cool looking and not hard on the eyes

[compact iron]

It’s not realistic for animals, doesn’t fit in the aesthetic, isn’t scary like how legacy was, and hurts peoples eyes.

Also maybe we’re thinking of different footage, but the footage I saw was pretty similar.

[fiery grove]

^^^

[analog ingot]

meh, its black with white stick man walking around. #general-feedback message This looks better

[limber hull]

Legacy wasn’t realistic for animals, it’s trail cam NV, this is a bullshit argument

[ripe thistle]

^

[violet magnet]

this was "not realistic for animals"?

[ripe thistle]

The current state of visuals for NV is closer to how certain reptiles are believed to perceive things in limited light. Don't remember which ones, and it's certainly not exact. But it was close.

[compact iron]

More realistic than it is now /shrug

[limber hull]

“Isn’t scary” is entirely subjective and I think the aesthetic provided also works well for horror

[violet magnet]

but......this "is" realistic for animals

[limber hull]

Yes. That’s not how animal NV works at all

[compact iron]

Okay but even if it’s not realistic, it’s ugly, hurts peoples eyes, and generally doesn’t fit the aesthetic as well. Of which that’s subjective, but so far, a vast majority of people agree.

[limber hull]

Ah yes, because I was totally arguing EVRIMA as realistic

[steel field]

yea it was not realistic, but i think it felt more fitting than the neon hell we have

[compact iron]

^^^

[limber hull]

I’m saying using the “unrealistic” argument is bullshit and pointless. Both are unrealistic

[rare fractal]

Whether dinosaurs even saw color is fairly up in the air, especially all of them, with equilateral clarity….

It seems to me but arguments from realism are entirely null and void when we have full color vision for every creature in game during the day

[compact iron]

TLDR games should be fun. It’s not fun when it hurts my eyes and looks bad. Idk. I have a headache from playing earlier so I’m going to bed, ✌️

[cyan flame]

Much as I personally like this take on NV, if it really is an issue for people, then maybe this particular version could be saved for specific critters, as either basic or an extra sense. Perhaps herrera seeing solid tree branches at night to travel on, or those "eyeless" cannibal/tribal things seeing it this way (it'd really fit if they got some kind of echolocation style vision)

[limber hull]

This screenshot literally proves my point that we need a hotfix, not a complete do over. In the Stress Test, lines were brighter, more defined and easier to look at

[analog ingot]

I'm gonna miss this a lot, just saying.

maybe it would be possible as foggy mornings

[rare fractal]

Yeah I like it in the context of some creatures or tech assisted NV, it a fan of it across the board, wish it was something more natural

[limber hull]

Eh, I think the NV aesthetic is cool enough. If they add in moon phases, that could be a full moon night

[cyan flame]

@violet magnetThat old screenshot of the "void" nights.. good times! :p

[analog ingot]

I hope so cause rn its boring

[limber hull]

I disagree with it being boring rn but sure

[analog ingot]

U want it to stay as it is now forever?

[violet magnet]

or neuro spino
that'd be neat

[limber hull]

Yes that is absolutely what I said, thank you for gathering on those hints

[analog ingot]

Well I got bad news for you lol

[cyan flame]

Neuros would also fit yes. The concept is cool, but maybe not ideal for general/basic NV for the critters.

[limber hull]

Oh goodness, are you implying they may CHANGE the current night vision in response to the massive wave of negative feedback? Heavens no!

[cunning verge]

thank the lords

[cyan flame]

Well it depends on what the changes that are requested are. Ranging from just enhancing what we have, to a completely different kind of NV..

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-gif-23762741

[limber hull]

We’ll likely see the NV fixed within the week to be more like the stress test tbh

[analog ingot]

What are they going to fix tho

[limber hull]

Dude I’m messing with you lmao

[analog ingot]

lmao

[limber hull]

The fact it’s difficult to see? The problem everyone has

Easier to see = less eye strain = less headaches = less problems

The final stress test iteration had great visual fidelity and was quite nice compared to the difficult to see and painful first iterations

[cunning verge]

I dunno, this is the most realistic and playable recreation imo. #general-feedback message

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-cant-hold-it-in-nicolas-cage-thinking-gif-5547928

[analog ingot]

looks cool on paper

[limber hull]

I actually don’t like that iteration from a gameplay standpoint

How can you possibly hope to sneak up on someone who can see you across the plains with only a slight blur filter obscuring you

[analog ingot]

different ranges for different species?

[limber hull]

It seems like it makes nights just “day but mildly harder to see” and is the least scary possible NV

[analog ingot]

if its made a bit more darker its fine

[limber hull]

The post makes a point of showing a tenonto able to see across the plains

[analog ingot]

not...far..enough?

[limber hull]

And that different ranges only make it blurrier closer or further away but never fully obscures your vision

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401481371249541120/1010132498052812800/unknown.png

No way a dilo doing anything

[cunning verge]

no not exactly, but if it was a fad into darkness though or a dark blue

[analog ingot]

I mean, devs could tweak that, its just a suggestion

[cunning verge]

like a ref

[steel field]

i mean yea, a suggestion is just that, up to the devs to tweak and alter it if they see fit

[cunning verge]

and it'll be more playable for people

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/iesha-handshake-gif-7705572

[cunning verge]

It can be dimmer and less lit for none night dinos. While dinos like Dilo and Troodon can have nv more clear and not as dark

[steel field]

hell if anything this could be how troodon and dilo see things at night

[cunning verge]

leagues better than bright white outline ready to blind

[violet magnet]

"less lit"
sad rave dino noises

[cunning verge]

lol

[steel field]

oh god

i dont wanna imagine troodon using the same system we have rn but farther

[violet magnet]

shape definition could be lessened the further out from the dino it goes
so things far away would just be shapeless blobs

[cunning verge]

or like a mist fog while troodon and such won't have much blinding effect

[tardy talon]

Idk, a dilo, especially one with a camo skin, could definitely blend into that, though it might need tweaking.

But unlike the current NV it’s rich in atmosphere and unlike legacy NV it also plays well with alternative light sources

[cunning verge]

mhm, the one we have now ruins surprise or camo in general as it just pops out

[tardy talon]

It also has no horror atmosphere

Just drawings on a chalkboard

[steel field]

fokin hell i knew it reminded me of something

[tardy talon]

Lol

[tough carbon]

Bruh, I rarely see anything positive about this game its honestly depressing

[analog ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-funny-laugh-laughing-weird-laugh-gif-3547058

[violet magnet]

i mean
the concept arts look nice

[tough carbon]

I mean just people saying stuff about the game in general

[civic glacier]

so i read alot of why NV is bad, but why ? i like it, in a way it mimics what NV is for animals in RL

[tough carbon]

People been getting headaches because they got sensitive eyes to stuff like that

[violet magnet]

pages I read said that animals would likely see in shades of gray with not much detail + be sensitive to movement
not..........flat black with white outlines

[civic glacier]

well this is a better aproach then what was before, legacy NV was nightgoogles vision from splinter cell xD

[violet magnet]

https://northernwoodlands.org/outside_story/article/night-vision-how-animals-see#:~:text=It’s likely to be shades of gray%2C sensitive to movement but maybe lacking fine detail.

https://allabouteyes.com/sight-dark-night-vision-works-animals-can-see-midnight/

[steel field]

A mix of people thinking it looks off/bad/does not fit + it being a legitimate strain on some people's eyes

[civic glacier]

the first part, i would answer with " almost everything new that gets introduced is bad cause its not what was in legacy so no realy concern there " but the second part is a concern. if people do have problems with that, and it's not because they are upping their gamma on their screen to see better then they should. it should looked into

[steel field]

i fall mostly in the latter, my eyes are not exactly the healthiest parts of my body

tho admittedly i also dont vibe much with the aesthetic overall

[civic glacier]

same for me, i got glasses to help me with that and i'm playing for over an hour now with NV and i dont feel anything

[tough carbon]

I want to play Evirma to see what people are complaining about but optimization needs to happen

depends on the person as well

[civic glacier]

that will take atleast 2 years, first the game gotta finish it alpha phase and optimisation is more during beta phase

[tough carbon]

tbh this is why I see a lot of people quit the game

[civic glacier]

why ? this is almost standard for most games that are in development

[violet magnet]

finishing the alpha phase will take much longer than 2 years though

evrima's been out for...two years? And we don't have even half of the planned dinos in yet

[civic glacier]

evrima had been out that time whats considered alpha phase for a game, wich is normal

so again, whats the issue ?

[tough carbon]

well we got legacy which is not being worked on anymore and kinda sucks, Evirma is being worked on looks good but outcome isn't if you cant play the game whats the point than. I've known a lot of my friends fully quit the game because of the update speeds and how boring legacy gets after a while.

[violet magnet]

the issue is that it took 8 months between update 4 and update 5 lol

[tough carbon]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cunning verge]

I don't care how many dinos are in at the moment, just the optimization and getting the code working as planned. rn, you can run the game at the lowest settings and still be in bad performance.

[civic glacier]

legacy is game 1 , evrima is game 2 . both are games written by 2 different codes. and if people played during the early years with the fast updates, then they got realy realy spoiled xD cause timewise those updates could be out easly since it took so low effort to make it with the missing mechanics in the game

[violet magnet]

what's the point waiting for this game to finish its alpha phase and THEN look at optimization if

1. it's going to stay in the alpha phase for a LONG TIME, based on update history, and
2. I cannot actually play the game because of its poor optimization during that time?

[tough carbon]

that was in the past though its change now in a worse way, lol

[civic glacier]

i have no performance issues ... only when more then 20 people in the same area are in a fight, wich happens hardly

[tough carbon]

that doesnt fall for everyone else, lmao

the thing is some people shouldnt need a couple grand computer to play a dinosaur game

[violet magnet]

Path of Titans and Evrima have been out for roughly the same amount of time and PoT has:

• more dinos
• more mechanics
• mods
• regular updates
• cross-compatibility with consoles and mobile

why is Isle updating SO MUCH SLOWER than an "inferior copycat" game?

[civic glacier]

so go play POT then ? if you like their updating better. problem solved ?

[violet magnet]

i do play PoT but that's not the point

[cunning verge]

don't forget. (1) has really good graphics. (2) great optimization

[violet magnet]

that too

and a new map coming

[tough carbon]

did you really say that in a feedback chat? Its meant for taking criticism

[cunning verge]

the thing is, us critiquing the Isle is the best thing a project can ask for.

we want to see it do better and reach unknown limits.

[steel field]

the thing about PoT is that all the stuff they release is made at the bare minimun, almost all the playables with the exception of 2 are "complete"

with the exception of the new map they are working on wich looks pretty nice, the rest is disapointingly bland

[cunning verge]

yah

[violet magnet]

ye

[cunning verge]

both games have potential

[limber hull]

I’d also say it has less quality or fleshed out gameplay on its dinos, mechanics and updates so

[civic glacier]

is it realy critiquing at this point ? most posts i see is comparing legacy or other games with mechanics or updates of the game. the NV does require tweaking, espcially with how it function under water sometimes, it gets iffy. but it's a step in the right direction. it doenst look like you can gamma your way into nighthunting anymore. wich is something positive in my eyes. this version of the NV is an improvement from what it was in legacy

[steel field]

So like, yea when you compare TI and PoT in terms of content drops its a landwash, but when you get your hands on the content in question in PoT?

not to say TI has no problems either

cause it does, just not on the same scale as PoT

[tough carbon]

I mean you want to play a game that takes over 6 months between updates

[cunning verge]

which is why I don't want to see this game unable to achieve it's vision.

[violet magnet]

they both got issues
Isle's issue is that it HAS the content, but updates at a glacial pace
PoT's content is lackluster and partially relies on community-generated content to attract players (mods), but it also updates like every week so it gets content out fast, however lacking the content is

[steel field]

i dunno about the "it doenst look like you can gamma your way into nighthunting anymore." ive seen peeps using it anyway

[cunning verge]

don't blame them

[civic glacier]

well i can understand people getting a headache easly with this update xD since that lvl of brightness is to painfull to watch

[steel field]

i dunno HOW people can stand using gamma with this NV

[civic glacier]

at this point i wanna know if people that have problems with their eyes with NV, play it on normal gamma or maxed out gamma ( normal as in what basic value the game give automaticly )

[cunning verge]

I play the game on the regular value. Can't have NV on for 20 sec. Honestly, as long as the NV doesn't make me want to burn my eyes out, It's a good one for me. I think most people can agree with me here. The biggest problem is the white mixing over and around with a dark black or color. It doesn't give your eyes any rest, thus is can over stimulate them. Some can tolerate or don't mind it, but others cam have a negative reaction to it.

[civic glacier]

do you play in a dark room or a well lit room ? i noticed playing games in a well lit room is less straining for my eyes then a fully dark one. maybe can help some people with the problem.

[cunning verge]

I play in a lit room, it's also better on my eyes that way.

I don't have bad eyesight, but my brain feels a different story

[gritty terrace]

@frank rampart why didn't you just put it in #general-feedback

[minor laurel]

The NV choice is poor for lots of reasons :

-Headaches
-Eyes sore

• Epilepsia

-Anti gamma lighting

• Significant drop of the graphics (Mostly lighting, in day and night)

• Optimisation

• Incoherent and poor artistic choice based on the devs base intention which was survival horror game

• Visibility issues

So there is not just one thing that poeple don't like but a lot of issues as you can see.

The "it is realist" argument unfortunately does not work in a game because of technical and artistic issue you have to face as making the game playable with no health issues, nondrop of quality, graphics or optimisation, ergonomy of playing stuff

[violet magnet]

I play on normal gamma in a dark-ish room (because if I turn the light on it creates a glare on my screen that causes me more of a headache with trying to see the screen past the glare). I could play for hours before but I can't deal with the nightvision for longer than a few minutes

I'd say it's the contrast but it isn't because I sketch in white-on-black all the time in photoshop and that doesn't hurt my eyes. I think it's just that it moves + has a lot of detail to focus in on

[cunning verge]

just a big tangled pile of cords

[minor laurel]

#general-feedback message

#general-feedback message

I had write this idea to help improve things.
It's not perfect but at least is englobing all the controlled issues NV can have.

[timid flower]

@barren zephyr Tenrecs would make for a good tropical alternative to Raccoons, doubling as a nighttime threat to nests, eggs and hatchlings.

[minor laurel]

The scary part that you didn't get in the idea is the lurking area, explained on the fish eye shader that my skills in rendering 3D in photoshop pained to do.

You can see it as a nearly black area around the dino depending of the species where other dinos can hide and melt with foliage.

Yes, in plains it is not as dark as forest as it is coherent with moon phase and all. Plains would be possibly dark at new moon thing.

The ambush, especially at night and for someone wanting things realistic should not be efficient in plains as a lots of light should lighting it up.

We need coherence. That's all.

[barren zephyr]

I was also thinking the racoon AI could live in a different biome like possibly the redwoods area or a more wooded area if we end up getting those. Should have thought to mention that in my post but your idea is good too

[vestal rune]

honestly confused why people keep saying the new nv detracts from the horror, aside from the glowing eyes imo the new nv adds much more horror to the game, especially compared to the legacy nv

[minor laurel]

imo it is just that you don't see a lot. So, if i don't see what attack me, it is not scary at all but disappointing and pointing an ergonomy issue.

But i understand that some poeple are okay with the current NV.

[limber hull]

Agreed

[vestal rune]

I mean from what I've seen you do see quite a lot? it shows you just enough so you can identify that you're being attacked but still leads it vague enough to create a sense of panic at what's attacking you

[cinder fossil]

I just don’t feel like it’s nighttime with the new night vision… like it’s too dark… I can’t explain it

[vestal rune]

that is the strangest complaint I've heard yet no offence

[cinder fossil]

[vestal rune]

nights are gonna be dark lol

[minor laurel]

From what i saw in screenshots and played unfortunately, i just spend most of time eyes half closed sneaking a shadow or a form i could see into the lots of info foliage and the desert infos plains with black ground, black water and black everything. But it is up to me 😅

[cinder fossil]

It’s hard to explain, but like it doesn’t feel like I’m see through the eyes of an animal at night, when that’s what I think it should feel like

Just feels like I turned on a Snapchat filter or something…

[potent arrow]

@half condor Im pretty sure that both QA and the stress testers are purely volunteer work.

[gritty terrace]

it is

[barren zephyr]

So.. are they going to listen to their players or just not give a f?

[zinc snow]

lmao mods

<@&505047238674874368> <@&401466542140817419>

[gritty terrace]

to be fair it would be hard just to change it again with a flip of a switch

[potent arrow]

I dont see why they wouldnt listen to the players

[zinc snow]

@icy lion I gave 3 points on how to improve the development of this game, and the underlying company.

you know why you removed my comment and you know it was NOT for "We expect feedback to be both constructive and descriptive. Your post failed to meet that criteria and was removed"

Superlunary deletes my message and then logs off for the night. All in a days work mate! good job

[limber hull]

you seem mildly upset

[zinc snow]

i try to help them and my favorite game, and im given no chance to do so.

https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-peace-out-seth-rollins-Ru9sjtZ09XOEg

[flat crypt]

This is part of my issue with it too. Eyestrain aside, seeing as it seems to be inspired by stuff like night-vision goggles itd make way more sense to use this system for mercs? It doesn't feel very animal.

I don't know how difficult it'd be to pull off, but honestly I think it'd be cool if they kept colour vision for the dinosaurs in nightvision, in particular those with better nv. Humans have poor nv so things tend to look very monochrome for us at night time, but irl nocturnal animals can often actually still retain good colour vision at night. This is part of what makes them so effective at night because being able to discern colour can be huge. Some sort of system where the better your night vision is the more colour you can continue to see at night could be really cool, and would come across way better as "this is an animal" as opposed to "this is an animal wearing night vision goggles"

[icy lion]

You gave a back-handed comment about "buzzwords they can search on their own dime." As I stated in #moderation, we expect feedback posts to be a little more contructive. You quite literally stated that you would have typed something more descriptive, but didn't

Also, it's midnight, so yea I'm trying to log off

[lucid sinew]

I don’t understand…why can’t dinosaurs just have the nightvision from legacy….it was so perfect.

[remote cobalt]

I didn’t include it in my suggestion but the current NV just looks like the ground turns in to white mud. And I play the game at max settings on a 4K monitor. 😕

[lucid sinew]

This game….has identity issues…is this a realism survival horror game or is it going to become some glorified version of primal carnage-ark survival.

[limber hull]

it restricted your vision, behaved poorly with external light sources and hindered exploration and travel

it wasnt perfect, not close

[gritty terrace]

@ripe fjord there is?

I have ultrawide and I have no issues

[ripe fjord]

when i set mine to full its really zoomed in

[gritty terrace]

oh huh???

[ripe fjord]

whats ur resolution?

[ripe fjord]

mines 5120x 1440

[gritty terrace]

I have 2560 x 1080

so it may only be that way with 2k ultrawide

hm

[uneven mist]

@willow prawn its x or if you arent able to do it then here: If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Open File Explorer.
3. Click the address bar at the top.
4. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
5. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
6. Open the "Saved" folder.
7. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
8. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[proven river]

@topaz palm mate, these are animals, animals have genders. They look different and they can't both just be male and female and randomly change gender like a bloody parrotfish, females generally have less colours in the wild because they need to camouflage with the babies/ nest and males stand out to impress them.

[cedar quartz]

^

[uneven mist]

hello there

[cedar quartz]

hi lol

[gritty terrace]

so something that CAN happen is that when swans are homosexual and can steal other nests

[proven river]

in fact the best part about animals is that they don't have the hundreds of sexuality types, they just are what they are. look man no hate to the lgbtq+ community but I really don't find it necessary to make every single dinosaur ingame turn bi-sexual / bi-gender

[cedar quartz]

Especially indie dino game

[proven river]

^

[cedar quartz]

Sexual dimorphism is actually cool, adds more variety to the game

[proven river]

yeah

[ripe fjord]

did they delete the comment?

[dusk meteor]

No

[cedar quartz]

#general-feedback message

[ripe fjord]

oh its in a different channel lol

[topaz palm]

Eh, I'll delete it now since people seemed to just dogpile on it

Gotta add every rude emoji possible to the suggestion that would make the character creator and the nesting system more versatile, right?

[cedar quartz]

It would make it worse

And remove variety

[topaz palm]

Literally nothing would be removed.

You could still choose every option, every display color, every different shape to every display structure, whenever you'd want them. That was in the post.

[cedar quartz]

Just keep LGBT out of games please

[topaz palm]

???

[cedar quartz]

It's not needed

animals irl have genders

and dinosaur did too

[topaz palm]

This has nothing to do with that?

[cedar quartz]

yeah nothing

[proven river]

sure

[topaz palm]

You could still roleplay out your animal's gender if you'd want to. But the label shouldn't lock you out of cosmetic options for fictional, artificially-created animals, nor should it prevent you from being able to make a nest with others of your kind. It has no real meaning or weight to it, it just creates a barrier for no reason.

[cedar quartz]

It's the same way how it is irl.

For most of animals

expect snails etc

[proven river]

Whether you like it or not, these are animals, they may not act entirely like animals but they work realistically to an extent, and animals can't just change gender or have successfully reproductive sex with other animals when none of them have genders

[topaz palm]

Except for the franchise that this game is largely inspired from, where they literally do just that.

[proven river]

franchise? oh you mean Jurassic world / park?

[topaz palm]

You're both turning this into an anti-LGBTQ+ stance, when it's literally just a suggestion to make character customization and the nesting system more open and less restricted.

[proven river]

I don't have anything against lgbtq+ but it would be stupid that animals don't work like animals

animals don't just not have a gender and then have one when they have sex then change

nor do they begin having genders when one of them decides to do courtship

[cedar quartz]

and game has nothing to do with JW / JP expect the fact that some models are similar

[proven river]

^

[topaz palm]

These aren't natural animals, they were created in a lab. They're literally artifical species.

[proven river]

so they can just grow a penis or vagina whenever?

[safe galleon]

That still behave/function like real animals

[topaz palm]

No, as dinosaurs don't use those to reproduce.

[proven river]

cloacas then?

[proven river]

also yeah just because these are fictional creatures doesn't mean they don't behave realistically

[topaz palm]

You and your mate can still think of yourselves as being male and female, NOTHING takes that away from you. You can just do so while having the fictional display structures/colors on your fictional, artificially-created species in this fictional game be set up however you want.

That's literally ALL I'm suggesting.

[proven river]

well fortunately that'll never be a thing so I don't know why I'm wasting my time with this

peace out

[topaz palm]

What do you mean "fortunately"? What's wrong with two hypsis that have eyebrows making a nest together? Or two stegos that both have triangular plates? Or two raptors that both have a bright color on their back? How the hell does that ruin the game for you?

Imagine finding another player and being able to just pair up and make a nest together, instead of finding another member of your species and just... not being able to do that, because you both wanted a bright color on you?

[limber hull]

How in God's name is wanting animals to have seperate genders an anti-LGBTQ thing

[cedar quartz]

[limber hull]

I personally like animals having genders, makes a lot more logical sense

[limber hull]

It also opens itself for more interesting rituals down the road

[cedar quartz]

probably becasuse i said this

[limber hull]

If the devs decide to do it, males can display dominance or find several ways to court a female

Or be an herd bull with multiple mates, for example

[topaz palm]

Or anyone could do that, and nobody would have to be locked out of it.

[limber hull]

IDK, I don't like the idea laying eggs one minute and then being the father to another set of eggs

[topaz palm]

Then don't do that.

Nothing about the suggestion would force you to.

[limber hull]

But it can happen

[cedar quartz]

^^^^

[topaz palm]

So? Other players doing it isn't a threat to you.

So if you wouldn't want that, don't do it.

[limber hull]

It hurts my immersion though

I like gendered animals. It's interesting to see how the genders differ

It'd just feel kinda lame in the end for them to just be extra flair rather than a meaningful choice that can impact you

I like going "oh a female stego!" rather than "oh, another stego"

makes the world feel more real this way

[fallen cargo]

with dinos having genders it makes it easier to tell if that dino pair may have kids {in a hunt} so if you dont feel like you can take the two adults, you can search for the kids that might be near by

[limber hull]

seeing females and males in a single herd with babies following behind is such an awesome thing to see in this game

it'd be weakened by just removing gender altogether

[lapis swallow]

and many people made good suggestions how sexual dimorphism could look like

[limber hull]

I really wanna see more sexual dimorphism changes going forward

[topaz palm]

The dinos having the variety of colors that they do right now already says bye-bye to that level of perfect immersion. Lions can't be yellow, green, orange, red, brown, grey, black, and/or white. They're yellow with a brown mane and a white belly. Penguins are black and white. Komodo dragons are gray.

How would the experience of the game be weakened by letting two stegos, the parents of a nest, both have plates that are the same shape?

[lapis swallow]

maybe utah males having a bigger crest and carno males having bigger horns

[limber hull]

Cool, but these are genetically altered nightmare animals. They're still animals though. Them having silly colours is nowhere near as unrealistic as just outright not having gender at all

[fallen cargo]

do utahs have crests? i never noticed that

[lapis swallow]

If you are making a survival game with animals, you need genders for nesting/reproducing n stuff.

[lapis swallow]

very small ones

[topaz palm]

Or, you can let any and all utah players choose their crest size, and let any and all carno players choose their horn size. That doesn't have to be dependent on how you nest at all.

[topaz palm]

The suggestion was less about annihilating the very concept of gender, and moreso just letting you choose how your animal looks without it affecting who you can nest with.

[lapis swallow]

It would be cool if you could tell from afar which gender the dino has and you dont have to run up to it and say "Are you male/female"

[limber hull]

i like immersion more tbh

[limber hull]

yea need more dimorphism

[proven river]

^

[topaz palm]

Or, you could just not have to ask at all.

[dusk meteor]

Selecting a gender in the game opens the potential for different ways to play the game with the same creature. Replay ability.
Much, much prefer having some restrictions on what I can do because that helps tailor the way I play. Adding creative freedom thus takes away from my longplay experience for something can only in the creation menu.

[limber hull]

very good point

sometimes restrictions can add more than they take away

[lapis swallow]

I want genders to be in the game cause animal survival game

[limber hull]

a female animal's experience can differ from a male's

[lapis swallow]

Based

[zealous stone]

This might be stretch, but you could maybe give more group oriented species different stats based on gender, so you can have a situation like lions where the females hunt while the males guard the corpse afterwards.

[lapis swallow]

I dislike the idea of stat differences

[topaz palm]

They've already confirmed they're never going to change stats based off of what gender you pick, thank god.

[zealous stone]

Fair enough

Wait they did that before?

[topaz palm]

I'm arguing that both your cosmetic options and your nesting options shouldn't have to change either.

[brittle night]

players would choose the strongest gender 95% of the time

[lapis swallow]

Yeah

[fallen cargo]

Ive found that this game is good at showing you things instead of telling, now that global isnt here you need to be able to read situations and seeing a pair of carnos around in one area over and over can let you know there may be a nest nearby which could be an interesting hunt, if genders or dimorphism wasnt a thing that would take this away completly

[topaz palm]

How many times has that ever actually happened?

[fallen cargo]

happened to me a couple of times

[dusk meteor]

Quite a lot for me, particularly with raptors

[violet magnet]

a nest means babies means an easy meal if you can get past the parents

[topaz palm]

And the thing is, removing a gender selection wouldn't remove that. If anything it would just make it more likely that a pair of two carnos in an area have a nest.

[dusk meteor]

No it would make t harder to judge the liklihood

[limber hull]

I also like the fact that you can find another of your kind, but they aren't the opposite gender, so you must continue your noble search for a mate to continue your bloodline (which I think will be much more of an impactful goal come U7)

[topaz palm]

Not really? A male and female creature can pair up and still not have a nest.

[jagged jewel]

it will for sure

[fallen cargo]

or theyre just hunting together, you wont know for certain which makes it too vauge to be useful, when nesting is the only thing for male and female dinos to do together it becomes more likely that they will be doing that together than anything else

[limber hull]

I've also seem some very cool interactions where females pick their mate based on the quality of their colours and potential compatibility for offspring skins. It's something that becomes more notable with a limited selection of potential mates

[jagged jewel]

i wanna be able to tell what gender something is from afar, examples being pteras, stegos, etc etc
it also allows for more coordinated hunts, IE: "go for the male stego"

females can be brighter than males, have bigger crests than males too, i just don't care, as long as you can tell the gender from afar (with exceptions such as megalania)

[fallen cargo]

i agree, there could be multiple "green stegs" but maybe only one female

[limber hull]

I've seen several times one of my friends consistently turn down a male for the sheer fact of "ugly skin" lmao.

[jagged jewel]

that's amazing

bad genes

[lapis swallow]

Bodyshaming lol

[fallen cargo]

theyre bloodline wasnt strong enough

[dusk meteor]

T would obviously make it harder so idk why you say no wth certainty.

If any pair can nest, any pair could have a nest. This would make up every group in the game

If only certain pairs can nest this narrows the potential pool of candidates for a nest, which sonly a Porton of groups

Thus ts slightly easier to judge likelihood

[dire ridge]

Wait a sec, did someone just said that modern day croc have poor vision ?

[jagged jewel]

Crocodilians can see very well during the night, but during the day they see about as well as us

[dire ridge]

I always thought it was the other way around

[jagged jewel]

nope

[limber hull]

Genuinely, they're an artist, so they consider what skins best would mesh with their own to create superior looking offspring

[violet magnet]

wait wha
i thought the suggestion was purely for freedom with cosmetics, not either one being able to produce eggs?

[jagged jewel]

a croc underwater sees about as well as a human does with swimming glasses

[dire ridge]

I wouln't call that poor imo but well

[limber hull]

Both being able to produce eggs was the suggestion, yes

[jagged jewel]

can you see well underwater?

[violet magnet]

??

[limber hull]

I agree

[jagged jewel]

lmao

[dire ridge]

With swimming glasses yes (minus the fact that im myopic)

[jagged jewel]

in clear or murky water?

i'm assuming clear, because in murky water i personally can only see things somewhat close to me

this is the same for crocs

they rely on sensing vibrations

[dire ridge]

Well, in murky water sight is mostly useless for everything. That why some have other sense to balance that

[jagged jewel]

yeah, it's the same for crocs

they can't see anything in the rivers they live in unless they live in saltwater

[dire ridge]

I agree, i was just picking on the "croc have poor vision" i don't think its right to say its poor.

[jagged jewel]

honestly just depends on the environment

but yeah they have good vision

crocs usually have maxed out senses

[gritty terrace]

Btw @gloomy reef there is a Rex concept but it was a devblog exclusive, look at the most recent devblog you'll see it

[limber hull]

@queen ember I actually think dinos being hard to see is a pro

[dusk meteor]

I think they stand out quite a bit and that the nv outlining players negates hiding and camo significantly. It's hard to not notice the dinosaur shaped outline that crosssections in the grass or the big black blob in front of a bush. It's a lot easier to see things inside of bushels, and, of course, your camo colours are irrelevant if you're all black with a white outline

[lapis swallow]

@icy fiber do you have me reaction blocked because I disagreed with you once lol

[cedar quartz]

^

[lapis swallow]

Yeh

[gritty terrace]

Can you do that?

[queen ember]

It depends on the situation. An example yesterday is that a Teno almost blended in with the literal grass and I barely saw it besides it’s heavy footsteps.

Another is A Sub Carno was running around and you couldn’t see it at all since if tried to look at it because it goes so fast it becomes a grainy blur

[limber hull]

also this dude literally said this is a better NV? This is literally just day with an extremely gross screen filter

[lapis swallow]

It is gross

[queen ember]

Bruh

[limber hull]

this is also bad

[queen ember]

I do agree it looks bad

[limber hull]

you can crap on current NV all you want but it blows these way out of the water

[lapis swallow]

Can somebody test out if he can react to valanoirs feedback?

[gritty terrace]

I can

[lapis swallow]

So he blocked me cause I disagreed with his opinion

[gritty terrace]

Oh blocking prevents you from reacting, christ

[reef nacelle]

Those complaining about not being able to see at night and it massively impacts the hunt and such... well der. It is night time! Dont expect anything about night time to be the same as day. This is normal in survival games. The NV looks ok and works for now but it will get updated down the line at least with update 6.5. If you are hunting at night, you need to use hearing and smell a little more than in day time. Dont complain, adapt

[gritty terrace]

The issue is that it is giving people eye strain and it looks bad

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-adapt-git-gud-skill-issue-gif-23598192

[dusk meteor]

Motion blur making multiple of your own outlines = very sickening to look at personally

[lapis swallow]

Bro blocked me cause I disagreed with him

[reef nacelle]

that is one of the issues but I am reading a lot of players complaining it is hard to hunt.

[gritty terrace]

That is not what majority is talking about honestly

[reef nacelle]

not motion blur it is the graphics setting... erm.... im trying to remember its name. It compresses for performance but its not very good in the isel

[reef nacelle]

I didnt say they were the majority, I directed my comment to those complaining about this issue.

[dusk meteor]

I play with everything ifff except for vsync, and vsync shouldn't do that

Off*

[gritty terrace]

It's eye straining, it looks bad visually, it takes away from the horror aspect of the game because it is being more additive rather then constrictive

[reef nacelle]

I disagree. I dont get strain and it is far better than no NV for me.

[gritty terrace]

.....

[reef nacelle]

I understand some do and I am not taking away from that

Hence my comment was to do with hunting rather than the thing I dont suffer with

[dusk meteor]

That said there is a point that be made about hunting too. Not that islts hard but the current carnivore hunger drain is high, particularly for Carno, with little field from ai.

AI night, ai is hard to find because of the radius and it isn't adaptive spawning like in legacy. Everyone has the same nv, so even though Carno is gimped for needing food it has no particular advantage in getting it if its not day.

And even though it would be nice to rely on sounds, the Isles audio mixing is absolute crack

[reef nacelle]

I can agree with your point here and AI.

The Isle legacy had the AI making noise

[gritty terrace]

It feels like this NV is also very bad for smaller things like bunnies or chickens

I cannot see them because the grass makes so much noise

[dusk meteor]

The AI make noise in evrima, it's just so quiet it's terrible. Meanwhile you can hear a juvie stego across the map

[reef nacelle]

"makes noise" Come on.... the noise it makes is the footsteps of the rabbit, a very quiet cluck from the chicken and a squeel from the boar when you are 10 feet. It is not the same as Legacy Oro calls!

[dusk meteor]

That is noise, but this is also what I mean by the audio is crack
Also the rabbits probably have the loudest sound weirdly and that's the goddamn purr

Sounds like a utah. But it's a rabbit.

[reef nacelle]

Just seen an asinine comment about epilepsy. Why do players with severe problems want game devs to "fix" everything so they can play? If it is so severe then dont play games... Sad truth. Cant go round asking every shop front to stop using certain lights cos it triggers it...

[neon zephyr]

I could play their stupid game before this update : ' }

[gritty terrace]

Dude............... seriously?

[dusk meteor]

Whoever mixed the audio did a terrible job. I have no praise to give them, I'm sorry. It's awful and imo the worst aspect of the Isle atm but it's also subtle compared to issues like performance so I doubt they'll deal with it in a timely manner

Also that's messed up. They could've had this game for 8 years, it wouldn't be their fault the devs then made it so that it induced seizures and headaches, which the devs shouldn't do as a baseline anyway

[gritty terrace]

You might as well make a game as accessible as possible and if the devs can prevent this than they should

[dusk meteor]

It's hurting a lot of healthy people too from the eye strain sickness and headaches

[reef nacelle]

I dont lack empathy for those with serious health problems but how on earth can a dev team create a game for every eye problem, mental problem, vocal and audio problem. I am sorry these people have these things but games be loud and flashy.

[dusk meteor]

Epilepsy isn't exactly a small unknown issue 👀

[gritty terrace]

The issue is that it isn't just epilepsy I am convince you just aren't looking in feedback

[reef nacelle]

"I have a heart problem, can you please make the game less scary for me." - this is hyperbole

[neon zephyr]

😂 Like Frost just said' epilepsy is a known issues - as is any form of photosensitive disorder

[gritty terrace]

People in general have been getting headaches and eye strain from it, if this many people are complaining there is an issue

[clear escarp]

Mabye the NV will become better with time, but still i hope they will discuss this previous feedback:

#general-feedback message

[dusk meteor]

I get an indie game not having options for colourblind Ness and audio sensitivities yet. They might never add that.

But there's no excuse for having your game be a danger to those with epilepsy and without warning, too

[neon zephyr]

EVERY game just about, usually has photosensitive accessibility; or they make an effort to design the game in a way it won't cause any issues to begin with (or get at least close to that as they can)

And yes - like Bukka said; even people without photosensitivity are experiencing the same issues of eye strain and headaches.

[reef nacelle]

I agree it is known and I do have feeling for those with it. My one and only point is the game devs cannot always accommodate every ailment. I also do read the feedback. I dont disagree that NV causing headaches is an issue but the players in general or saying the game is unplayble with it and yet the issues of performance make this game way more unplayble. I was in a fight with 10 utah last night and yet despite having a powerful machine, I had 10fps... and stutters like you wont believe.

[neon zephyr]

Ty Frosty, Bukka.

[limber hull]

i think night vision is fine, just fix the motion-blur or whatever it is that makes it blur itself up when you move the camera, because that is by far the most visually unenjoyable part of the whole system

[neon zephyr]

Fixing an issue that is literally causing / can cause seizures > fixing lag

[reef nacelle]

That "blur" was added back in update 4 I think.

[gritty terrace]

THEN WHY ARE YOU GOING COMPLETLY AGAINST THEM LMAO

[limber hull]

the lines need to remain static

they can't keep dissipating and coming back for every inch of movement

its the core of the issue here

[uneven mist]

And make it more friendly towards people with epilepsy

[reef nacelle]

where am I going against what?

[dusk meteor]

It's standard practice for most common sense people to think about those with something like epilepsy.

Because you can kill or harm them.

In terms of other accessibility, they're an indie studio. It'd be nice for them to have it, which is why there are suggestions for it, but there are basic expectations I have of game devs and movies etc and one is either to accommodate epilepsy or give a very clear and prominent warning about seizures and your product.

[limber hull]

same thing. Remove the weird blur stuff and it immediately becomes more epileptic friendly

[reef nacelle]

The warnings makes sense for sure

[dusk meteor]

(epilepsy is of course more than the seizures but that is the scary bit no company wants to be triggering lol)

[limber hull]

In this video, it's quite clear that they HAD an iteration which DOESN'T blur itself every time you move the camera

https://youtu.be/M3DCpA0go8M

The issue now is that it DOES do that

Which makes it eyestraining as hell

[dusk meteor]

They should've kept that. The blur kills me

[limber hull]

They would've

[gritty terrace]

^

[limber hull]

I think what's happened is a visual issue

[reef nacelle]

Guys the blur is not motion blur it is a means to improve performance. Day of Dragons added it around the same time too

[limber hull]

Or the timeless classic of "it works in beta and breaks in live"

[reef nacelle]

I do agree it needs to go though

[limber hull]

i've worked enough gamedev to know that you can have something work in a dev build then break despite zero changes

What's NEEDED right now is a hotfix

[reef nacelle]

^

[dusk meteor]

Maybe, or they've rushed it out because of the darkness complaints rather than just temporarily brightening dawn/dusk

[reef nacelle]

^^

[limber hull]

That's not it, no

[dusk meteor]

I doubt it isn't it. It had three builds in one night for the stress test, one day to simmer and then we suddenly had it

[limber hull]

Untrue

It had a LOT of time in QA, way more than it got in the stress tests

[dusk meteor]

I didn't talk about QA did I?

[limber hull]

What's happened here is more than likely an issue

That the devs didn't expect

This is more than likely some bug that has emerged out of nowhere

[neon zephyr]

I can say - that does seem to make it a bit better;

but it still causing some amount of strain.

And no. Untill they fix it, it should just be removed.

I'm lucky as hell my episode was mild and I was only puking my gutts out this morning.

But... eh; regardless, Imma delete the game.

[dusk meteor]

Until they give word on it ig we don't know, but I think it's just a consequence of the motion blur. Things do break in live but it's something thst just plain irresponsible to leave up when they knew it was there

[gritty terrace]

I just think a personalized legacy night vision is way better than this atm, I was on the edge for it but now since it is actually physically affecting people it's a hard no for me

[limber hull]

They shouldn't do that

[limber hull]

It's more than likely they DIDN'T know and are probably working on a fix in response to the panic

[gritty terrace]

Why

[dusk meteor]

And by when they knew, I mean after the live was clearly working poorly and causing problems

[limber hull]

Going back to legacy NV does nothing but waste more dev time on an NV that more than likely would be another placeholder

[gritty terrace]

Just because they put time into it doesn't make it salvageable or better then the last

[limber hull]

that statement has absolutely nothing to do with what i just said

[keen imp]

death cooldown decrease please