isle-lore-theories

[tacit venture]

Or maybe I'm dumb and it's inside them map which might be the case, soooo ya I'm stooopid

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[tacit venture]

Sorry if that was mean, didn't mean to be

[acoustic osprey]

🤨 maybe

[tacit venture]

Ok so like. What's the deal with gen one and two? Why are tribals called cannibals why do they worship the " Echidna" which is the neuro tribal, if all tribals can transform why do they worship the one?

[void fossil]

nah it's inside the map just on the very edge of it

[tacit venture]

woah dude, cool

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[frozen totem]

So what exacfly os gen 2? Like what creature (no jumpscare images)

[long onyx]

homo sapien

[frozen totem]

Oh XD

[long onyx]

they are the mercaneries

[acoustic osprey]

supposedly Humans.
But there might be more than meets the eyes

[frozen totem]

[icy onyx]

In the test branch at least Generation Two refers to humans (presumably test subjects of some kind)

[acoustic osprey]

Deleted my Gen 2 Human theory 🙂
Let me rewrite

[stoic hamlet]

hot take: the isle is a simulation,

nah but seriously I thought that when legacy was a thing, idk about evrima though, takes place in present day? sureee

[tacit venture]

takes place in like the 90's i think

[acoustic osprey]

Presumably, going off the little that we have ||Both taking Legacy lore and forgetting legacy lore||
we can believe, although it's not canon, that AE have been trying to make some sort of "Super Human" or "Perfect Human"

At least, some division under AE

Although the time period is not certain- either done in modern times (right now in-game) or in the past (in the 90s or below)

• As we know, Spiro was abandoned during the 90s/early 00s @stoic hamlet
  - We know this due to the equipment used, shown in #phase-two-archive (On PCs, vehicles, etc)

~~

https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1042117478359257088
From this tweet, in #transmissions, Generation Two (A.K.A. Mercs/Humans)
We learn that they're also called "Neo/Neo-georgian"

Neo = New

New what? Well, #isle-lore-theories message
We know we're close. Gen 2 are somewhat related to Gen 1 (Tribals).
Coming back to the idea of creating a "Super/Perfect Human"

Gen 1 (Tribals) seem to have been a failed test, for whatever reason. Leading to dozens of "Tribals"
We don't know how tribals looked- is the question. Unsure if The Replicator touched up "Gen 1" or not.

Gen 2 then obviously being a much more recent idea/test.
And, seemingly, a lot more successful.

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

Generation Two.

neo-
/ˈnēˌō/

combining form
prefix: neo-

1. new.
   "neonate"
2. anew or revived form of.
   "neo-Georgian"

Origin
from Greek neos ‘new.’

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Twitter · Sep 18, 2018, 6:25 PM

[exotic raft]

what are the maps on the island?

[old stone]

?

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima has one map
(Spiro)
Although we're getting a new small one in the future

Legacy has 2 playable official maps
V3 and Thenyaw

[rapid chasm]

AE has a gateway, but its probably like a underwater tunnel research thing.

[river ocean]

What if region 2 was artificially created by AE

[acoustic osprey]

Well, R2 is Legacy.
But, technically, we can speculate every island AE owns isn't "natural"

[icy onyx]

There's probably been human involvement before aside from buildings. There's many introduced (and likely genetically modified) plants, namely if not most of the diet plants, as well as bananas, gumtrees/eucalypts, Colocasia and palmettos (Washingtonia/Sabal palms).
The coconuts, Ceiba, some understory plants (e.g. calathea) and the TBA papayas are the only plants which might be "native"

[acoustic osprey]

Isla Spiro is definitely a bio-genetically touched up island

[icy onyx]

Yeah there's not much explanation for Mountain Ash trees or radishes growing on the island other than them being a genetically modified cultivar or maybe an entirely new species.

[acoustic osprey]

Their islands are definitely designed to fit a certain pre-made ecosystem

[frozen totem]

oddly there isn't much actual paleobotany

[acoustic osprey]

I presume there's no reason for old plants.

[rapid chasm]

I mean, you recreate extinct animals, I think you're gonna bring some plant life back to.

[old stone]

Not if the plants literally don't help your experiments in any way

[last hazel]

So how did magna land on spiro

[frozen totem]

By ship probably

[deep cairn]

That would actually be kind of cool but no

[last hazel]

Does that means someone transport it

[frozen totem]

Prob ye

[delicate patrol]

another idea would be that thats the after effect of one of the machines the humans used

[void fossil]

oooo I like that

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it's probably just a Jace/Dondi issue.
But I'd still love to have it proper canon

[icy onyx]

Many prehistoric plants are still around today. Palms date to the Cretaceous, as do many other angiosperm clades (e.g. salicaceae, araceae, magnoliopsida, zingiberales, etc)

From a lore standpoint it's also cheaper to simply modify them to be able to feed on more foreign modern plants.

[acoustic osprey]

cycads

[icy onyx]

Yup. Redwoods, cypresses, ferns, still around.

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, I just presume AE has no need to rehash actual prehistoric plants

[icy onyx]

There's many living relatives of most, if not all. The only exception is some weird tree ferns (e.g. tempskya) and bennettitales (a weird group of proto conifers)

[steady raft]

Is there a lore reason for utah not having scales or feathers?

[sturdy marsh]

That's probably just because utah is inspired by Jurassic Park raptors and there aren't any lore reasons, but maybe they are genetically modified like the JP ones.

[old stone]

All the creatures are genetically modified in some way

[frozen totem]

pretty sure that utah genome was created in the 90s so thats y

[icy onyx]

Short answer: genetic modification (a simple excuse)
Long answer: we don't know (because there's absolutely no information)

[scenic latch]

theories: the reason the hypos aren't in the game anymore is because the neuro spino killed them

[acoustic osprey]

90s

A time where Dinosaurs were slowly dying from "Terrible Lizard" to pretty spectacular and unique Extinct Animals

Utah doesn't have feathers ||yet|| -> to which I hope there's a lore reason behind getting paleo accurate utah and feather options besides than "THE PLAYERS WANT IT "

[gritty helm]

What if Thenyaw, V3, and spiro are a group of islands, but 2 of them dinos are ghost that you pass trough..

[stone olive]

Theory: Isla Spiro is a big military and science base in the pacific used to do some Site B / reverse evolutionize creatures into their dinosaur ancestors. Then everyone left due to river flooding and formations of permanent bodies of waters caused by tropical storms.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, referring to "Site B ||Jurassic Park||" is something I'd say is relatively close (but not extremely close) to what was happening in Spiro and other islands

[stone olive]

right, i agree with you in that. But there is solid evidence of some sort of scientific presence or at least kind of human intervention, especially with the dock, radio tower, and the stuff in the dried oasis

[long onyx]

can someone give me some randoms coordinates from somewhere in evrima i wanna place them in google maps and see if i can find the location of isla spiro with that

[acoustic osprey]

Philippines
Costa Rica

[long onyx]

but i wanna know where exactly, its obvious isla spiro is somewhere there because of the climate

[acoustic osprey]

two above is the closest you'll get.
Name, climate.

I HIGHLY doubt Spiro is hand drawn from a real island

[long onyx]

you dont know if you dont test it 🤷‍♂️

where did you end?

[acoustic osprey]

I highly doubt Dondi wanted Spiro and Spero to actually resemble a real island.
Mostly made up like las cinco muertes

[long onyx]

did anyone ever test v3 from legacy however?

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of the actual flora and fauna?
Or the actual shape of it?

[long onyx]

Whats the lore with the borders of the map on isla spiro

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing, probably.
Map too big, keeps players in.

[digital mulch]

It looks like isla sorna of you look at it sideways

[long onyx]

what if its like those electrified dog fences where the dog has a collar on that shocks him if he goes past the fence

[tacit venture]

Well that would be epic... If you actually got shocked instead of a literal solid wall of plasma that stops you from moving forth

[frozen totem]

like how we keep asian carp from the great lakes with specific chemicals that force them to stay away

[long onyx]

ye

[frozen totem]

cus naturally breed animals wouldn't get shocked if it was a shock collar type system

[gritty helm]

Wanted to now too

[tacit venture]

Yeah I mean, the Dino's are literally made by robots sooo

[frozen totem]

Not nested ones

[tacit venture]

Ohh that's right, I heard somewhere about something

Remember in legacy when you went to a human structure the screen became glitchy? Well the Devs said that's because all " spawned " Dino's have a chip installed in them and that makes them get fatally hurt when they go into the human facilities but nested Dino's don't have that so they can move into human places without dying

[frozen totem]

ye

[acoustic osprey]

robots?

[tacit venture]

The replicator

[acoustic osprey]

I mean

[frozen totem]

Robot*

[acoustic osprey]

We still need more information on The Replicator and it's actual presence in Evrima.

From the loading screen, as provided in the doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit , we know that The Replicator is being surveyed (monitored) by Apollo Engineering.
- In Legacy AND in Evrima

" > ERROR- Insufficient Replicator
Purging Data Buffers
"
^ this occurs twice in both Evrima and Legacy

we also have

" > The replicator is not without its protectors.
"

We also have a few other messages, but from Olympus Transmitter- Which allude to either The Replicator OR Apollo Engineering (their work on Generation 1 and 2)

" > Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image.
"

" > The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all. Echidna considered them all children
"

^ This one above is DEFINITELY about Apollo Engineering, which leads to believe basically everything from Olympus is from AE or some sort of head scientist. Referring to Gen 1, The Georgian Build, which seemed to have been a failed batch; Following Echidna, mother of cannibals in legacy, Neutrotenic Mastermind. Leading to Tribals EITHER looking monster-like either from birth/their creation from AE OR due to The Replicator via Echidna.
- However, "monster-like either from birth/their creation" is still valid as we do have Cannibals. Echidna might've taken the best "Tribals". Who knows, we need more information

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.

^ "fifteenth cycle their stories compiled ... handed down through the generations"
It definitely seems as if Apollo Engineering did this during Spiro in their "PRIME" before they left Spiro or abandoned Spiro.

Ring the Bell once for yes.

Twice for no.

THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER THE END.

Gen 1 Prim incubation cleared.

^ before this, whoever is on the line "talking" to us turned crazy- calling Chaos the best form of control.
Gen 1 "Prim" (Primal? -> Primal/Tribal) incubation cleared
Gen 1 destroyed?

We also get the hint towards Humans/Mercs just before the above quote.

Generation Two.

neo-
/'ne,o/

combining form
prefix: neo-

1. new.
   "neonate"
2. anew or revived form of.
   "neo-Georgian"

Origin
from Greek neos 'new.'

---

Now, back to the present.
It seems like Generation Two or just Apollo Engineering are now back to surveying Isla Spiro

Pachycephalosaurus - Retrieved Research Footage. Incident report: There was significant interference with █████ signal [etc etc]

We wait for more information, as always

[grave radish]

Can any one remind me again how Primal Carnage and The Isle are connected?

[tacit venture]

Oh goodness here we go.

So Apollo engineering which is the company that created the isle, ( as In, I think isls Spiro is man made or smth, ) and also all of the dinosaurs ect stole DNA from Phoenix incorporated to make magna Tyrannus because AE aka Apollo engineering is trying to make the perfect being, the hyperendocrines are perfect but are unsustainable but the magna Tyrannus which is from PI or Phoenix incorporated aka the company that made primal carnages Dino's, was stolen by AE

[grave radish]

And has AE’s operation fucked up like PI?

[tacit venture]

What do you think? Dinosaurs roaming the isle. SoS signals. Abandoned facilities. Jesus that 2 minute timer is killer

[grave radish]

Well I wasn’t aware of the sos and had actually forgotten they have the buildings lol, I dodge them out of fear of other curious players

[tacit venture]

Just go ptera dude if you want to explore.

[thorn junco]

Is the Replicator man-made? Sounds like alien tech to me

[sharp knoll]

man-made

[tacit venture]

man made

strangely enough, The main events of the isle happened in the 80s - 90s based on the tech and computers and buildings and cars ect but it is possible that like 30 0r 40 years past and now the isle takes place in present day after it was abandoned but I'm not sure

[thorn junco]

the morse code transmissions from thenyaw suggest it's been at least 30 years since the first events. but given there's some emphasis on the time period I'd think it's of alien origins

[tacit venture]

FYI this is one of the concepts of what the tribals will be by Iron belly studios but that's not the tribal we will be seeing, ( give me a sec I'll get the actual ones )

there it is, there's my beauty, the left most image is not valid I think, but the middle image is what normal tribals will be and the right image is what they turn into when they cannibalize, hence the name "the cannibal

[tacit venture]

Fair point, i honestly have no idea

[thorn junco]

It would also make sense why the machines are still operable even with the island being abandoned for so long, or why the first generation began to worship

[nocturne cosmos]

i dont think their are any aliens all made by humans or machines

[tacit venture]

I personally Agree. But hey... that's just my opinion

[wicked sable]

Does anyone have the distress calls at the radio tower decoded yet?

in evrima, that is

[tacit venture]

it said SoS and B( insert a few numbers here I don't remember them )

[thorn junco]

I would agree but there is some emphasis from the error codes in the binary that the replicator aka the machines are something distinct, rather than a biological operation the humans are running, so my question is who made them

[wicked sable]

So just a standard distress call?

[tacit venture]

AE

[nocturne cosmos]

humans the replicator is an ai that got out of hand

[tacit venture]

I think so, I know some people who decoded it

[nocturne cosmos]

AE are the creations of most of the wacky shit

[thorn junco]

ahh, that would make sense

[tacit venture]

Oh my god I forgot about that yeah! that happened

[acoustic osprey]

B-443

[tacit venture]

yep that's the one

[acoustic osprey]

@wicked sable

[tacit venture]

is all it says "SOS" and "B-443"? also... geez dude!!! that is friggin freaky as heck i LOVE IT

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, it's pretty good

https://youtu.be/Jz1U01Rn67Y?t=558
And in the second Morse Soundtrack we can hear SOS again at the beginning.

Although, I haven't had the time to decipher the rest

[stoic hamlet]

pretty interesting honestly

it will be cool what they do with it in the future

[nocturne cosmos]

B-443 I think is the Rex from primal carnage aka magna

[thorn junco]

Sorry to necro this was just looking way back in old discussions, but I agree with this 100% and I think The Isle's story would benefit incredibly from a horror perspective if the replicator had other-worldly or unknown origins.

Because of the emphasis on the Replicator's ability to create life or transfer consciousness, perhaps the Replicator is in actuality a sentient relic, artifact or ancient computer that is responsible for the origins of life on Earth. This would make the replicator itself far more initimidating and unpredictable, (alternatively, with a human-constructed AI, why did they not pull the plug early?). This would also make sense in context of references to the replicator having made the islands themselves or having god-like abilities. Maybe it not only creates life but manipulates the conditions for said life to thrive. After completing a working ecosystem millions of years ago it believes its job is finished and goes dormant. AE discovers the Replicator and attempt to build their own AI to control it for their own creations, which backfires and results in the corrupted Replicator that now talks to us. Just ideas

[rustic nexus]

Dondi confirmed that cannibals wont be unlocked through cannibalism

[tacit venture]

mk

noice

little misleading, not going to lie but ok

[rustic nexus]

I can asure you its real 100%

[tacit venture]

No I believe you but you know, since it's literally called the Cannibal you can see where I am coming from right?

[rustic nexus]

Yeah i can

Even i thought that until I’ve seen the same video 1000 times about Dondi explaining what tribals are

[split crow]

Could be from generations of cannibalism

[rustic nexus]

🤷‍♂️

Imho it’s more like if you praise the replicator enough you unlock it

To oversimplify it

[topaz lance]

The isle is supposed to be a horror game

[tacit venture]

I know...

wasn't that freaky before though. I mean it was in some situations but.

[topaz lance]

Okay just making sure. Love the progress and can’t wait for more development. Happy they removed global chat also. It adds more to the scary Ingame, and you don’t see people saying “SE FOR SPIN-OFF EGGA” lol. Cant wait for evrima updates!!

[tacit venture]

same here mate, also in global people would diss you for killing them lol

[topaz lance]

Yeah. If they do re-add global chat(hope they don’t) that it is for only the same species

[tacit venture]

nahh don't worry they won't

but it would be nice if it was an option for unofficial servers to turn it on like deathmatches because that is kinda useful

[topaz lance]

Yeah that’s actually true. For server hostess make it an option to enable global. That would be nice

[rustic nexus]

Talking about this specifically the perfect human part, I have this outlandish theory that humans at the time the isle is taking by place are suffering from being out competed by a superior species and killed off by diseases. Which is why they’re creating strains of dna that can make an animal hit harder, be smarter and heal faster, to test these on human subjects to see how perfect human beings can get. And I don’t think this would be true but it’s possible that’s why gen 2 test subjects are just thrown onto an island full of monstrous animals in the first place, to see how they can survive a long side “superior” species that can kill you in anyway possible and will keep trying until they can successfully survive with little to no problem which would bring humanity back (the replicator promising to bring “us” back which I believe to be humanity to its former glory https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1054981836064129025?s=21) but the replicator is directly interfering with this, trying to convince gen 2 to join its side using morally and mentally breaking methods to turn them to the replicator and worship it as the one true god, which it did with gen 1. https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1013974555218644994?s=21 But i also think Æ is also breaking moral codes as to become better a species they must surpass their limits and reasons, they must surpass being human to bring back what would be humanity’s former glory. https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1013973834427523072?s=21 (but technically not being morally sound with the old definition of humanity) https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1013975419656294400?s=21

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

No matter how long it takes, I will find a way to bring us back.

I p̵̛̮r̶̩̠o̵͇̖m̵̢̭i̶͇̟s̶̢̼ȩ̴̨.

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Twitter · Oct 24, 2018, 6:24 AM

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 2:35 AM

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

You must go past limit and reason. See through the door between this world and the next and take back what you've lost.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 2:32 AM

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

We cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 2:39 AM

https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1014142726487625730?s=21 add this to the replicator trying to mentally break gen 2 test subjects

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 1:44 PM

https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1013981645202968576?s=21 and this towards gen 1 turning away from Æ

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all. Echidna considered them all children.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 3:03 AM

And lastly https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1014517510996152320?s=21 a new point that the replicator is also creating a distrust between test subjects and Æ scientists

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned.

Repeating the same patterns is what they want you to do.

Twitter · Jul 4, 2018, 2:33 PM

But then there is the fact the pi still exists which i have another outlandish theory that they’re having a war on who can create the perfect organism first and sabotaging each other with setbacks (which could explain why gen 1 turned out to be such an utter mess)

[hoary compass]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-theisle-the-isle-lore-lore-gif-19857045

hypos and the other strains are just mutated experiments by people and then the hypos break out and that brings us too now

[rustic nexus]

Truth

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator

[frozen totem]

So sexy

[tacit venture]

I a- that is- I'm glad you feel that way

[frozen totem]

Its man made. End of story

[nocturne cosmos]

the replicator made the islands becuase they terraformed them using machines and such

[frozen totem]

I think the islands were already there and they just added plants and such

[nocturne cosmos]

i think v2 or v3 at one point was put under terraforming

[old stone]

The thing on the right don't have an official name, the normal tribals are called cannibals

[thorn junco]

Yawn can you even tell me where you explicitly hear that.

[frozen totem]

looks too natural

[acoustic osprey]

Amazing
We just need more information on it

[thorn junco]

Self sustaining psychopathic ai that can synthesize any organism and transfer consciousness, with robot handymen that we never see or hear concept for, definitely sounds human origin to me... not really

[thorn junco]

Indeed time will tell I'm excited to see where everything goes in the end

[strange shell]

The fact it's alien / non human could also justify why AE is trying to get back onto that damn Island, despite the dinos, the cannibals, the strains and all those [REDACTED] things instead of just redoing their tings somewhere else.
They need the replicator. And they can't build another one.

[thorn junco]

Exactly, that is also what makes me lean that way. There is definitely some attention paid to the time passage between the first occupancy of the island and the return. I can't think of any reason to return to the island unless the activities there are posing an active threat off-land, OR, they need to retake control of the island because it possesses technology that cannot be recreated. Would also makes sense to me why there was no proper failsafe for the operations there.

[old stone]

It could also be that the replicator is a huge threat, and they're trying to shut it down

[strange shell]

If they wanted to shut it down, they could simply bomb the island

Unless the replicator can protect itself from that sort of attack, which is actually pretty likely

[old stone]

What if it's underground?

[strange shell]

Stronger bombs ?

[old stone]

Or what if they want to see if they can recover the technology?

[strange shell]

But yeah, wouldn't work if it's really deep underground

[strange shell]

Well, if they want to recover the technology, it means they don't have it. Therefore =alien thing

[thorn junco]

I think that's pretty plausible in both scenarios of the replicator's origins. If its alien, clearly its main directive is to create an ecosystem and create life that can thrive in that ecosystem, and I doubt its going to let foreign attacks from outside that system interfere. If it is man-made, it's probably equipped to deal with foreign attacks as well, which is why the Gen 2s are sent in to infiltrate, as they are built for that environment to actually get inside (don't know much about the Gen 2s myself though, tbh).

[strange shell]

(by alien I mean from any origin that isn't human)

[old stone]

Or, it costed so much in terms of resources to make that they can't make another one, or they lost the knowledge to make it

[strange shell]

The replicator is sentient, and I think its goal is to resurrect a specific person (or being). But it's getting late for me, so I can't elaborate on this right now. See you in 8 hours if you want me to explain ^^'

[thorn junco]

Haha, cheers. I'm open :b

[nocturne cosmos]

or they simply cant remake it due to whateer when into it wether the people who made it are dead or it had an anomaly to make it

[thorn junco]

Can't remember where I've seen it or the verbatim but there's one or two instances of communication referring to "incredible discoveries being made on X location" on the island, which I think it's interesting they refer to 'discoveries' rather than a successful experiment of their engineering. That makes me think there is something about the location itself that is more important than simply engineering a machine capable of all this

[old stone]

It's also possible that they're afraid to make another one, because what if that one goes haywire as well, and they want to "capture" the first replicator and study what exactly went wrong with it

[nocturne cosmos]

well im about 90% sure that may be talking about island walkers

which i guess could be considerd aliens but im sure their from earth their these kaiju lookin mfs

[thorn junco]

I actually know nothing about the island walkers so feel free to explain lol

[nocturne cosmos]

uhh sure lemm find some stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401468849586962433/470686684770467884/20180722162016_1.jpg

[tacit venture]

Ohhh them. But... Technology

[nocturne cosmos]

?

their was this one and then one at the bottom of titan lake on v3

[tacit venture]

Yeah, that thing but VibroKnife was talking about alien tech

[sharp knoll]

dont think so it can be about alien stuff

but we know that creature didnt die of starvation

[tacit venture]

Really? I thought it did

[sharp knoll]

ohh now u know

[tacit venture]

Looks like it could be the big boy collosus

[sharp knoll]

maybe someone bigger or smarter for example colossus

[nocturne cosmos]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/895141017517445131/image0.webp?width=894&height=670

nah i dont think so

collosus is big but not that big i think the biggest one that we know of when it comes to colosus was that it could drag a long neck boy over its back

but whatever those bones are looks like it could shallow one

[tacit venture]

No! Wait there are like two versions of colossus that's the small one let me find a size chart

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah the big one can hold a long neck boy over its shoulder

their is this one by dalt however i stil dont think its that

the bones have what looks to be a sail

as well as extra arms/legs

the issue is we dont have all the bones

[tacit venture]

Damn

[tacit venture]

Oh yeah there's mAh boi

[nocturne cosmos]

that size was gotten becuase dondi said something about a fully grown collosus being able to sling pue over its shoulder

[tacit venture]

Hope it's not playable

[woeful chasm]

If it was it would take like 2+ weeks of non stop play time to grow

And inevitably starve to death is my guess

[thorn junco]

That shit is literally a rancor hahaha that's sick

[fluid zealot]

Basically crocodilian king kong

[clever silo]

Nostalgia

[vague root]

I remember dinosauriac said he just slapped a bunch of accesable human and bird bones from the workshop, so there is no point in trying to reconstruct whatever this creature is, unless dondi desided to make its mammalian anatomy canon

[outer verge]

I think someone mentioned while back that the bones were something called "islandwalker"

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[strange shell]

Ok so, I should re-read the pins to remind myself as to why I got that theory, but basically, among the messages that have been sent by the Olympus Transmitter, some of them look like they're destined to a specific person. Moreover, from what we know, the replicator is actively creating life and doing tests with consciousness. There's talking about "first generation" progressively losing their minds and becoming nothing but bloodthirsty monkeys because of repeated cycles of death and resurrection. Same goes for dinos, who start going completely mad at some point. All of this would be tests done by the Replicator trying to bring back one person to life, but before doing that, it wants to be able to do it without having the person turn into an inbred dumb primitive, so it's searching for a way to resurrect people without affecting their minds.

Maybe "Generation 2" is the answer there, since they might be people recreated by the replicator. Judging by their looks, they didn't lose too much of their intelligence, so they might be a perfected version of tribals. All of this is assuming they didn't just arrive there by ship o aircraft. Additionnaly, we know the replicator has a consciousness. But machines don't have consciousnesses. So it might be a human mind, locked inside of it forever, who still has human feelings and thoughts. Maybe we're talking about a beloved one ?
Lastly, there are messages about being "together forever" (not sure about this specific one) or something like that. Seeing as Generation 2 exists, maybe the Replicator actually managed to resurrect that one person... Perhaps it's Echidna ?

[acoustic osprey]

This all depends on either if Gen 1 and 2 were done by AE or The Replicator

[weak crypt]

Sooo

[sweet kestrel]

Do y’all think that after fully growing your Dino you will be able to go on a diet that will turn you to a hypo?

[strange shell]

That's a possibility
But it kinda seems too easy

[sweet kestrel]

So you saying you would have to like kill to be a hypo?

[woeful chasm]

I’m assuming we won’t be able to play as them and if so it will be extremely difficult to get and won’t survive long

[sweet kestrel]

Fair theory

[rustic nexus]

Both could’ve been done by Æ but they get trapped by the replicators reincarnation cycle

Not truly dying until they repay apollo with 1000 lives

But gen 1 turned away from Apollo and essentially broke the contract

[strange shell]

Kill, do something special, find some specific item... Anything that isn't just "eat that plant and become a literal god"

[sweet kestrel]

So like a checklist of impossible tasks that’s fair

[strange shell]

We don't know for sure, but according to what Dondi said regarding hypers, basically, yeah.

[sweet kestrel]

Ok imma look into it

[rustic nexus]

Wasn’t there also a plant that was planned to shred you to pieces or turn you into a strain

[strange shell]

Yeah, sadly I think it's been scrapped

Maybe it will be replaced by something even more awesome, who knows ?

[rustic nexus]

Hopefully

[tacit venture]

Ngl I'm going to play tisso

[topaz lance]

When I first glimpsed this msg I thought ark genesis part 1 & 2 lol, I play to much ark

[hoary compass]

rip pue

master puegway

[eager terrace]

I mean, it did rip it apart.

[acoustic osprey]

AE -> Makes Gen 1
Replicator & Echidna -> Uses them/seduces them for their bidding

[acoustic osprey]

Well, seeing the recent change of the "Elders" trello board card.
It seems like we're going to- however, it's more cryptic than before now

After completing their reign, they depreciate. Embracing death willfully, leaves you with a bonus you can apply to a new life as that species. But dying in any other fashion

[rustic nexus]

Yea yea thats what i said

[acoustic osprey]

I know, I'm just scribing it

[rustic nexus]

Here

[rustic nexus]

O

[rustic nexus]

Why does the echidna take such interest in the tho

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely someone trapped under the belief of The Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

I mean.
Echidna is basically the purest form of the "Type-N" strain

[rustic nexus]

True that but you have any theories as to why she considers gen 1 children

[acoustic osprey]

Well, presuming that there is a gap between Gen 1 and Gen 2 (Gen 1 being the first around 30 years before Contemporary Isle)

I presume there could be a good few things which may work out:

1. Gen 1 might be the purest form to chaos/or whatever Echidna wants
2. Gen 1 might be the easiest to manipulate because they're still "Human"- allowing The Replicator and Echidna to easily seduce Gen 1
   • I presume Gen 1 hates Apollo Engineering, their "creators", after what happened to them. Who knows what Gen 1 were before they became "Gen 1" ||Besides the fact that they were just humans||- we don't know if they were bad, mad etc- they probably want to get their revenge.
     - It'd be why Gen 1 (Tribals) are considered to be another faction amongst Dinosaurs and Humans/Gen 2. Properly treasured by The Replicator and Echidna (basically forming a very retro caveman-like religion)

[rustic nexus]

Ah makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rustic nexus]

So then the eyeless form is possibly provided to those who have been worshiping with excellence

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on the design choice for Tribals in Evrima.
But, we can presume if that's a trait for "Type Ns"

then yes

[rustic nexus]

Ah the wait for tribals and mercs is killing me

[acoustic osprey]

Tell that the Stannibal

[rustic nexus]

Who dat

[acoustic osprey]

Someone who has been waiting, basically, since day 1

[rustic nexus]

For both?

[acoustic osprey]

Mainly Tribals
But yes

[rustic nexus]

Jee

@icy onyx

[thorn junco]

I think you're on the right track, but one of the transmissions tells us Gen 1 turned to worship, I assume worshipping their creator, Echidna or the Replicator itself. I personally think it is unlikely that both generations were made by AE, especially if the first generation was sent through many cycles. It is plausible that Gen 2's experimental goal was to create a human vessel for a profile without the knowledge of their past incarnations. Maybe the reason Generation 1's psyche deteriorated so much was because AE was hellbent on achieving a replicant 'programmed' with their past memories. But of course, this goes against nature's limits of the human mind, so with each cycle they become less 'human'. If this is the case, it would explain why there are error codes related to 'cranial abnormalities'. I've also had the feeling that Generation 2 have implanted memories, lying to them about their identity or their origins.

[untold gulch]

Can someone maybe explain to me what all these weird looking creatures are in the Isle lore??

Like for example the Banner on Discord from one of the Devs is that a Isle Creature?!

[tacit venture]

oh god, buddy that is a huuuge thing, there are a lot of weird looking things in the isle lore

[old stone]

Yeah, there are strains, tribals, the matriarch, island walkers, the eyeless and some others

[untold gulch]

Like this creatures

[tacit venture]

there are TONS of strains which are like evolutions of normal dino's there are three main types, Hyperendocrine, Tissoplastic, Neurotonic and they all have a different niche. Hyperendocrine Dinosaurs or Hypers ( commonly referred to as hypo's ) are giant and stronger and overall physically better variants of the base species but are so big that need a huge amount of food to sustain themselves, an ecosystem destroying amount of food. The Tissoplastics are an entirely stealth based variant that can turn invisible or something ( not too sure ). The Neurotonics are smaller and physically weaker but are much smarter than base dinosaurs and can use telepathy to control them.

[untold gulch]

Yo wtf

[tacit venture]

keep in mind, not added yet into the game

[untold gulch]

The Isle seemed like a normal TheIsle Simulator how did it get so much lore??

[tacit venture]

oh dude, that is barely even scratching the surface of the isle lore, bro compared to how deep the isle lore goes I know nothing about the lore at all

[untold gulch]

Already looked a bit over a Lore Doc but couldn't get info out of all the Codes and System Messages

[untold gulch]

Is there a place where I can read about all these weird creatures?
Or are there more Concept art's?

[thorn junco]

For all the events we're aware of so far, Is there anything to support the time that Evrima takes place among them? I got to thinking about the human buildings we see so far in Evrima, and realized in stark contrast to Legacy's buildings, the Evrima buildings have almost no overgrowth and the outpost at the swamp has what looks like fairly fresh blood on the floor. I think it's quite possible that the time that Evrima is set in is actually at the very beginning of the events we hear about. Moreover from a development perspective, it is a creative way to introduce new additions to the game (ie, we hear in-game transmissions about a new strain the replicator has made, then next update X strain dino is released to the game). Same thing with the cannibals, it seems odd to release the cannibals in an update when so unprompted by the in-game world, but we witness the change in events from the human perspective. Could be completely wrong, but it seems like a smart decision

[acoustic osprey]

I highly doubt Gen 1 was made directly by The Replicator or even Echidna
Then why would Gen 2 be called Gen 2 Unless Gen 2 was not directly done by AE- which would make Tribals have no quarrel with Mercs

[potent pond]

Yesterday i played on evirma and i saw weird blue lights above a mountain. Does that have a meaning?

[strange shell]

That was probably the map barrier, which I think don't have anything to do with lore, since it's a placeholder

[potent pond]

But it was in a circle. It didnt look like a map barrier at all

[tacit venture]

screenshots would be super helpful

It could be the radio tower?

[potent pond]

I dont have screenshots but im free today so i can see if it comes back tonight. And I dont think it was the radio tower, there were blue lights in a circle

[tacit venture]

hmm ok, well in anycase go ptera, I know a server that uses an ai bot to auto grow you as an adult immediately so you can try that

[potent pond]

Ok i wilk try, what server is it?

[tacit venture]

Survivors beacon, just filter onto unnoficial and unempty servers

will take like 3 minutes to recognise and grow you though so be patient

[potent pond]

Ok will do that

[hoary compass]

I can make a good animation outta this one ( if only there was a modal of it on sticknodes )

[river ocean]

What is a replicator?

[old stone]

Super powerful god machine

At least, as far as we know

[rustic nexus]

The replicators power is probably limited to anything it can replicate

[river ocean]

What if the liquid in the cave is either part of the replicator or the replicator itself?

[strange shell]

I don't think the replicator is a liquid

According to people who have access to spectator cam (mostly unofficial servers admins) it's just a tar pit hidden beneath the map because it's mechanically unfinished

[sharp knoll]

just a normal dirty black liquid

[acoustic osprey]

Well, the tar pit's logo is probably something loosely based on Aboriginals (Australian Indigenous Peoples) or even just cave men

Art to tell stories. Art to scribe.

It's probably how they see/visualise The Replicator (either how it looks or THINK it looks)

[thorn junco]

But we see references to "cycles" the first generation was sent through, assuming through the replicator. As it says "Echidna considered them all children." I think this is possible because we receive transmissions of Generation 1 initiating gestation. However this could mean they are only duplicates of a original specimen that AE created.

Gen 2 could simply mean a second batch of experimentals based on X human genecode. Also, it wouldn't be farfetched at all that the Gen 1 and Gen 2 both quarrel while both being made by the same creator. Like I said I think in the case that Gen 2 are made by the replicator they are given false memories or identity, for whatever experimental reason that the replicator may have. The transmissions say there were 'results' expected from Generation 1 that halted when they developed a religion around their origins.

[tacit venture]

I agree with this, I think I once heard something about tribals ( or gen 1's ) being made then somehow killed then having their conscience put into another one to survive and die and the cycle continues until the minds of the tribals are literally just pure murder mode.

[swift dagger]

What are island walkers? What are the eyeless?

[stoic hamlet]

the eyeless are the "cannibals"

[swift dagger]

Oh, I knew they weren't just called cannibals. Do you know what the island walkers are?

presumably some kind of kaiju sized monstrosity?

[stoic hamlet]

oh the island walker, yeah uh its the giant skeleton on an old legacy map that I cant remember, it was humongous and wasn't even fully grown

I do not know much about the lore

[swift dagger]

whats it look like?

[swift dagger]

Dang. honestly I was expecting a giant human skeleton for some reason

Is their any clues to what it would have looked like alive?

[oblique surge]

Is it confirmed to be an island walker? Thought we never got an answer as to what the bones were

[stoic hamlet]

I think dondi called it an island walker, again I do not know much about the isle lore

[oblique surge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

Cycles and Gestating aren't foreign concepts to something like Apollo Engineering (being a company based around bio-engineering)

we also seen the transmission posts that these messages' sender is related which hint to the author/s relating their business either with AE or at least not with The Replicator

What does a machine dream of?
- Highly likely a reference to The Replicator
I don't presume it's by Lawrence Carter, but who's to guess

The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all. Echidna considered them all children.

The author noticed Gen 1 easily turned to worship [the Replicator and Echidna]
"malignant passing down stories of how they came to be"
- Elder Tribals telling newer Tribals how "Generation One" ||Themselves|| were made

Why would Gen 1 praise both The Replicator AND Echidna if they were made poorly/horrifically by them?

• unless they're made by AE

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

^ They became more angry about their creation, becoming "True Tribal"

Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty.

they had a proper meaning of creation by AE, now they ignore it

---

Which is why they're trying with Gen 2, more human-like in form

[topaz lance]

what does an island walker look like?

[old stone]

We don't really know

[rustic nexus]

To add onto this argument somewhere it said that gen 1 stopped producing results which could lead to Æ going to gen 2 to produce said results

What ever results they were looking for

[acoustic osprey]

So, I believe it's still a definite that AE is testing for something

[rustic nexus]

Yea i still think their looking to improve the human race someway somehow

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[rustic nexus]

Otherwise why would you try injecting strains on humans other just for injecting strains sake

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[wicked sable]

What is causing the SoS signal? If the humans wanted to leave the island, wouldn't they send a normal "We've done what we could, we are ready to leave" and not a call for help?

Maybe a magna giant?

[rustic nexus]

Possibly

[wild heath]

This channel is like God looking at people make up new stories of religion while he laughs at them killing each other

[tacit venture]

Good grief

[potent pond]

@tacit venture I haven't seen the blue lights anymore, I think it was some kind of sever glitch or something

[acoustic osprey]

Well, it's probably a very old signal when AE were still proper residents of Spiro.
Something happened, obviously, and now they're off- now sending research teams/Gen 2 in modern day

Unless it means something else about the "right now/contemporary issues" and it's a beacon from a research team/Some in Gen 2 needing help

[frozen totem]

So mercs are genetically engineered?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, going off #transmissions and what we've seen from Dondi in this channel?

Highly likely yes

[frozen totem]

And i thought these were people hired/taken away from there family to be sent to a death island for whatever tech retrieving reason

[stoic hamlet]

the mercs are genetically engineered to look the same to save money on model making and voice acting

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
It could be a similar case to something like the Novel "Mortal Engines"

Where humans are genetically transformed into "Gen 1/2" (Stalkers in the book)

However, we still lack crucial information.
BUT, we see in transmissions that it might not be the case

Gen 1 Prim incubation cleared.

Gestating

If they're referring to "Gestating" strictly down to the book
which means: "carry a fetus in the womb from conception to birth"

Gen 2 (and probably 1) were probably scientifically created using someone's DNA

• which fits something closer to Star Wars Ep. 2 with Jango Fett

No
Gen 1 are tribals

[frozen totem]

and gen 1 somehow turned into these ugly sons of guns

[acoustic osprey]

With or without the eyes, yes

[frozen totem]

dondi said the eyeless weren't the same as tribals

[acoustic osprey]

They're bio-genetical creations.
making the perfect human? Who knows

[frozen totem]

and then AE had an oopsie

[acoustic osprey]

either this is a tribal or this isn't what a tribal looks like

[acoustic osprey]

well yes.
Not a pure "bio-genetic" oopsie.
But an oopsie with Chaos Theory, pretty much.

[frozen totem]

hot

genetic malfunction probably, cus they even have different skin

[acoustic osprey]

If tribals have eyes.
Then eyeless tribals are probably "strained" by The Replicator for Echidna

Presuming this is what Echidna roughly looks like

[frozen totem]

squid raptor person thing

[acoustic osprey]

as we do know Tribals became "children" of THIS

[frozen totem]

hot

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless tribals?

You don't have the picture near you?

We also know that Echidna is THE neurotic mastermind. (Type N)

and if cannibals/eyeless tribals are those strained for Echidna's sake and in it's look, this wouldn't be such a "weird thing"

The Spino being a Type-N too

Yes and no.

This still depends on how eyeless tribals are created.
IF normal tribals are not eyeless

[tacit venture]

oh yeah the eyeless tribals are different from the neuro tribal ( aka echidna ) which they all worship lemme get a pic rq

[acoustic osprey]

Chaos.

[tacit venture]

there he is, beauty

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna

[tacit venture]

yaa

[acoustic osprey]

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained.

Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty.

Sometimes, right before consciousness slips away, you can see all of them waiting for you.

What would you give to get them back?

This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself.

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. we could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted

[thorn junco]

LMAO this. But also it's a cool idea imo that the mercs are genetically engineered specifically to survive in the environment made by the replicator. I honestly have a pretty good gut feeling that the ultimate reveal in the backstory will be that humans are currently going extinct due to disease or some other kind of biological threat, which is why AE was so hellbent on making the next evolution of human.

[stoic hamlet]

that would be a very cool idea ngl

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we know AE is basically confirmed by Dondi to not be "Evil Organisation"

So, if AE's reason to make Gen 1 and 2 were for very literal "Good reasons"
and now ruined due to their attempts being God-like without control

it's quite sound

[thorn junco]

Dondi is a pretty brilliant conceptual writer, tbh. I can tell what he thinks is cool and original or boring and predictable, and I think using that to discern the clues is the best option. At least for me.

[acoustic osprey]

He is definitely trying NOT to sway towards full JP/JW & Blockbuster plot
Where it's mainly just being inspired by something from his childhood and making his own original (and interesting) plot with proper world-building.

Dondi hinted towards getting more information towards the "June" time.

I presume #transmissions will restart or get back up- or some sort of mini update in Evrima, or ANYTHING related to lore, will appear.
Lore information from legacy will probably be removed or rehashed into a better and more stable font during this time as well

I'll have to ask HellShade about the Lore Doc.
Just, mainly, to format some stuff around once we get more information on Legacy things which are no longer canon etc

and also to make reading better

I understanding having "Two Sections"
One being Legacy
One being Evrima

is technically good, but not everything from Legacy (I presume some will stay as canon) will no longer exist.

With the chance, that renaming the sections from Legacy and Evrima to Non-Canon/Legends/SomethingSomething and The Isle/Canon/Current Lore/SomethingSomething
would be better for any new comers wanting to get some sort of grasp on Isle's current and no longer current lore

[nocturne cosmos]

might wane make an entire new bit for all lore we get after that point so we know thats all the good stuff

[frozen totem]

wait i thought these were normal tribals

[next raft]

thats a cannable dondi confused us with changing the names

[frozen totem]

i though cannibals were just cannibalistic tribals

[oblique surge]

those are (maybe they might get a new design idk)
the eyeless creatures are different
maybe something tribals can achieve under certian conditions (like strains for dinos)

[frozen totem]

thats what i was thinking

[next raft]

yes tribals become cannibles

[frozen totem]

[sonic rampart]

Tribals and cannibals are the same thing

[frozen totem]

ye i know

they were just referring to the eyeless with "cannibal" cus that the only name for them we know

[sonic rampart]

I just call them the eyeless

[next raft]

why did dondi have to change the names on us

[sonic rampart]

Prevents confusion until we learn their real name

[frozen totem]

fair enough

[deep cairn]

what are the tribals

the cannibals and the eyeless monster alien things arent the same creatures right

[strange shell]

Yes they're the same
Eyeless are a more evolved version of tribals
Cannibals is the other name of tribals

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless, from presumption, could be those The Replicator formed for Echidna

or Tribals exposed to Type-N bio materials

PERSONNEL EXPOSED TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE-N BIO-MATERIALS

[acoustic osprey]

the actual design of Tribals are still in the works (in dev hands)

[woeful chasm]

Just saw this and that is exciting!

[thorn junco]

Looks dope, Neuro Rex looks kinda dumb looking though, maybe it's just me.

[acoustic osprey]

100%

[thorn junco]

the head shape reminds me almost identically of the Scrabs from Oddworld

[thorn junco]

is that neuro rex going invisible

[acoustic osprey]

No

[icy onyx]

Maybe they were inspired by it?

[thorn junco]

could be, it's mainly how similar they are in the profile concept art, no eyes and curvature of the neck and head, wouldnt surprise me tho

[icy onyx]

Well, in the isle they are completely gone.

[crisp raven]

the isle does not exist

[old stone]

Fake

[thorn junco]

ultimate twist the replicator is a lie AE isn't real this is all a dream go back to sleep

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-vigilante-dc-dccomics-high-five-gif-24917088

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/youreright-breakingbad-walterwhite-gif-5027043

[slow delta]

it's been a while guys. have the new human structures been transmitting morse code or what?

im a bit out of the loop. have there been new human structures or is that in update 5

[sonic rampart]

I know @acoustic osprey recorded quite a few of the tracks

The radio tower's music played SOS (of course) and B-443 I think

[slow delta]

idk if thats new though

[sonic rampart]

Dunno what B-443 means, or if it's correct. I also don't know if the other tracks have been translated

[slow delta]

b443 is one of the rexes from primal carnage

[sonic rampart]

Neither do I lol, let me grab Lightclaw's vid

Gotcha

https://youtu.be/Jz1U01Rn67Y?t=558

[slow delta]

yeah but i think its like lightclaw said

just small things aka loresauce. i doubt we will get anything major yet no matter how much dondi claims to have an entire book of lore

also the morse code seems very short so yeah

[sonic rampart]

Dondi did hint at dropping lore towards the beginning of summer, primarily clearing up what is and isn't remaining from legacy

How much we'll get we just have to wait and see

[oblique surge]

Lore heavy updates are finally on the horizon

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, I've currently tracked down three Morse Code tracks.
However, they all start with SOS and don't contain much information

[slow delta]

sadge

he always "drops hints". ive kinda lost hope on the lore stuff tbh

[acoustic osprey]

Talking about Dondi about it, he definitely seems keen.
I just hope he can keep it up.

We know now he really doesn't want AE to become "evil organisation #628"

[quiet sorrel]

will be interesting to see what he does give us and what we can work out from it

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[quiet sorrel]

i have a feeling AE probably has good intentions but maybe just not the morals to go with it. That or the replicator is the one doing the immoral stuff

[acoustic osprey]

I presume The Replicator is definitely complicating a lot of things

[old stone]

I could see Æ basically in a "the ends justify the means" situation, where basically they're trying to do something that will benefit humanity, but need to do a lot of morally ambiguous things to do it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-laugh-laughing-laughing-out-loud-gif-16433966

Basically some sort of Breaking Bad Season 1 Walter reason

[quiet sorrel]

yeah same here. seems the most likely especially with the 1000 life contract and the other experiments taking place

[old stone]

Yeah! (I have no idea what your referring to, but I agree)

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[old stone]

I really wanna know some tribal stuff

[quiet sorrel]

have you guys seen this yet?

[quiet sorrel]

same here. tribals are interesting

[echo gazelle]

That’s hilarious, very unusual statement for AE. I would expect, “Violations of warnings will lead to termination” or something but nah it’s just “you’ll be fed”

[fervent meadow]

whats the piece of paper on the side when ur loading in?

[woeful chasm]

Also they misspelled "signs"

[quartz sundial]

sings 🧑‍🎤

[acoustic osprey]

Feels like the writing that says "Afterthought"

[wet basin]

Why neuro Rex looks like sub adult rex I mean wth

[wanton ocean]

Wait so if AE isn't nessecarily "evil", what is even their goal with all this? Why create the dinosaurs?

Also guys, if someone can find me a playlist of ALL the currently known lore in The Isle, that'd be great. I want to try to explain to my friend what's known about The Isle so far, but the lore is all over the place lol. Even if it could be outdated in the future, I'd like to find a collection of videos on the lore 👀

preferably in "order of events"

[old stone]

Check the pins of this channel, there's a document that has all known lore

[wanton ocean]

ooh I keep forgetting about the pins, thanks lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

We basically have little information on the "Goal" of Apollo Engineering.

It's a lot easier to make the goals of a company "Evil" compared to "Good" in a story like this.
So, taking people for "Evil lab experiments" is off.

I feel like Gen 1 and 2 are clones or at least people all created bio-genetically

[old stone]

They can be good guys, but not like, great guys, if you know what I mean

[frank iron]

Not evil, but they have no morales

[river ocean]

Looks like a matriarch who swallowed a neuro spino

[sharp knoll]

this is image was not suppose to be for the isle

but you can actually find this image on the legacy loading screen

[opaque shale]

Ayo tf is that

[tired dagger]

Me

Face reveal

[maiden sundial]

To quote apature science: because we can

[maiden sundial]

Like SCP foundation?

[nocturne cosmos]

That’s the old island Walker skeleton

Don’t really know anything about it it’s just big and I think they said it didn’t die due to starvation

[prisma comet]

that

this ^

[nocturne cosmos]

Uh their was one at the bottom of Titan lake v3

[prisma comet]

Uhm, I think there's another at the bottom of the lake in v3

[nocturne cosmos]

Not soo I

Spino

Ain’t a spino we don’t know what it is I mean could be but we don’t know

Yeah but lil bit big for any spino we know

[prisma comet]

Probably just a rule of cool type thing with the spine

[nocturne cosmos]

Ya

Also with the fact if Titan walkers stay I a thing I wonder if this world just legit has kaijus

[minor walrus]

Dead giant, not confirmed what it is but it died of starvation

[icy onyx]

its also made from stock parts (e.g. bird bones) if memory serves, so you cant really figure out its true identity

[quiet sorrel]

not really as i dont think what they are doing is fully necessary unlike the scp foundation who do it to stop the world being destroyed

[river ocean]

I suspect that AE wants to create a "new human" or "ideal human"

[quiet sorrel]

yeah i suspect that too

[river ocean]

But probably the experiments turned out to be unsuccessful and more "new humans" turned out to be not entirely reasonable

[fluid zealot]

Actually they said it didn't die from starvation. Might've either collapsed under its own weight or something else killed it.

[maiden sundial]

Or perhaps to give humanity new things?

[cyan warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q&ab_channel=MsCatbugPLZ

[acoustic osprey]

do expect the chance for design changes for both Tribals and Eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

Well we know Gen 1 went insane and chaotic

[cyan warren]

agree

[tough marten]

i just cant wait too see the weapons/classes both factions are going to be able too use an where youre going to find ammo food an water like in abandon cars (like the one at the port) or in the brush or just at outposts an like a wrist GPS too find them also if the tribes will have to make arrows with items found around

i have seen a 9mm pistol an a 5.56 AR just hoping they put something in they will have some type of stopping power but not hoping for a one shot kill kinda thing but something when you shoot it they feel it an not just laugh pinpoint where you are an one shot you

an if there will be a grow/aging/leveling system like you get better wepons as you go for humans an the tribels

[cyan warren]

nah i actually like it as how it is right now

[tough marten]

how is it right now ?

[cyan warren]

like how they added humans on the isle 2017

[cyan warren]

that simple mechanisim where you could only move around and hunt dinos

[tough marten]

so are you talking about just having unlimited ammo an no cost at shooting i think they are going for realistic game play . like if the Hypsi using it spew spit it food goes down kinda thing

[cyan warren]

i actually agree with that myself but you know...making some sort of survival role gameplay in evirma would make it more like ark survival...like using cars or making shelters would make it legitimately look like ark survival or something...

[tough marten]

yeah that'd be a little over the top being like ark lol but just having something were you have to find some of the stuff you use/need will give you something too do then just kill not saying a full on survival game but something

[cyan warren]

yeah that would make it more interesting

[astral charm]

Could be the skeleton of a hypo, its awfully big.

Oh, different strain maybe. Seems like it came from a spino of sorts judging by the sail bones but spinosaurus was the largest of the spinosaurid species so either a new strain or... idk, some fantasy creature like what they did with the cannibals lol

[tough marten]

i think dondi called them a island walker

[sharp knoll]

The fun fact is that skeleton actually got human shoulder bones

[south igloo]

the golden utah

center lake was kinda redwood-y

not big redwoods

[livid shard]

Hi

thank you super

[maiden sundial]

Titanosaurus. No not the sauropod but this guy

🤷

I would say probably because the titanosaurus could probably exist. Though idk.

Fair point. Maybe I'm just an idiot

That or

I'm batshit insane

[thorn junco]

I explained what we know of the isle lore so far to my friend and he said "sounds like the Truman Show for dinosaurs" hahaha, ironically he's sort of right

[acoustic osprey]

to an extent, yes

just, more or less, everything is Truman.

[static cloud]

On evirma humans made the island and made genticially modified dinosaurs that can age quicker than normal and they sent humans into the island as test subjects to see how long they’d each survive inside of the island

[long onyx]

Why would people take time and resource's to just build an island when they just find one

[nocturne cosmos]

to make one that fits the needs

[oblique surge]

AE needs very specific environments for the animals to live in
If they have the resources to build a whole as island and still be able to do their thing why not build it?

[long onyx]

but theres plenty of tropical islands tho

[strange shell]

Building your own island is the best way to keep it off the charts and secret tho

[long onyx]

but if you spend all your money on an island what money is left for dinosaurs

[strange shell]

Who said it would cost money ?
AE once had control over an omnipotent god-like machine that can transcend death and the law of physics, unless it asks for pay over its services, I think their fundings are pretty much infinite

[oblique surge]

Not all tropical islands are the same
Also as I said before if they have enough money to build a whole ass island they for sure have money to do whatever they need an island for

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, pretty much.
Not all tropical islands are the same? Yes.
But they usually contain similar characteristics

HOWEVER.
This is a bio-engineering company we're talking about; They can literally make the island be whatever they wanted it to be

But.
Some proper worldbuilding backing up AE's financial situation would be amazing 🙂

I mean, money is not infinite.
They will have to pay other companies to, at least, gather resources.

And this is confirmed to be a "Good Company"- so I don't presume they'd use any nasty tactics to get their way

[oblique surge]

I imagine they’re funded by the US government
Sounds like a pretty good source of money

I like to think its somewhat like black mesa from half life
“Good guys” getting money from the government to do their science but mess with something they don’t fully understand and everything goes to shit

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.

However, why would the US fund such a project?
Who knows.

[long onyx]

It doesn't make sense building a whole Island when you can find one and dig rivers where you want them and stuff like that

Think islecord, think

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think AE "Made an island"

They're a bio-engineering company.
They HIGHLY LIKELY ||like InGen|| found an island and terraformed it to their will

Change landscapes
Add and remove creatures from the ecosystem
etc

[long onyx]

That's what I'm saying 😡

[acoustic osprey]

And what I've been saying all this time 😦

[long onyx]

[glacial basalt]

hi

[frozen totem]

I agree it would be so much work when you could do way less by finding one and changing it slightly

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[cinder shoal]

Wouldn’t you want dinosaurs in the military?

[acoustic osprey]

Ha, no.

What's the point?
If you can create life, why use dumb animals when you could use super humans

[strange shell]

Dinosaurs in the military is really a stupid idea. It is viable only if you use them like dogs are already used in the military, we're talking animals, not dragons

And if you use dinos like you would use dogs, why use dinos instead of dogs ?

[dawn field]

Dinosaurs would be ineffective unless deployed in mass, the way combat is today a pack of raptors or Apexs could be easily taken out.

Above that it would fuck up ecosystems, causing a disaster.

[drowsy bison]

Could they be genetically modified to have bullet proof hide? Or somewhere along those lines?

[oblique surge]

hyperendoncrins already are bullet proof or at least have extremely tough armor
not much point in using them tho as they'll either die to starvation on the way to the battle field, die of starvation during the war or refuse to fight and run off to look for food

[strange shell]

Hyperendocrins likely have bullet-proof skin, or at least are highly resistant, but that's not enough to make them useful in a war situation. It's not just about strength and toughness.

[old stone]

That isn't the issue.
The issue is releasing a bunch of highly unpredictable creatures onto a battlefield with a high chance of them either dying, turning on your own troops, or running off due to stress makes them not cost effective in the slightest

Especially when each asset probably takes thousands of dollars to make, raise, train, and feed.

So I think it's reasonably safe to say that the creatures weren't made for war

[gentle vessel]

its most likely biomedical/super soldier tests, as they clearly did tests on people as well

[fringe marsh]

Resurrecting dinosaurs seems like the dumbest thing to do.

There truly is no point in doing such a thing

At best some real rich folks would probably want some as exotic pets.

[safe ravine]

People will do alot of things for money

[fringe marsh]

Maybe a zoo could gain a lot of attraction if they used no-longer extinct animals, but I doubt all of the sales of tickets would actually make a profitable return for the zoo to recreate a dinosaur, let alone multiple dinosaurs that they keep healthy.

[fringe marsh]

But how do you make money from such a thing?

Using them in a militaristic setting is also a bad idea as they're laughably expensive and are real easy to kill with modern weapons.

[safe ravine]

My break is over I might expand that thought later

[fringe marsh]

Hell even an army from like, the 10th century could kill a Tyrannosaurus Rex with a ballista or catapult or something.

Blast the fucker with a 50 BMG

Strains are a bit different, but hypers are the only ones I see as viable for that kind of situation.

[drowsy bison]

What about your thoughts on neuro strains?

[fringe marsh]

Idk, I feel like an actual EMP is way cheaper.

They can manipulate weather, that... might be useful?

A neurotrenic troodon could be useful maybe?

small enough to use cover, might be able to use mimicry to manipulate enemies

also an emp

[acoustic osprey]

^

[acoustic osprey]

Just make a bullet proof human

... Tribals?

[strange shell]

Even better
Bullet-proof vests

[acoustic osprey]

We still need to stay in the "AE are the good guys" mentality.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-youre-goddamn-right-gif-14600753

[safe ravine]

I mean, if enough rich people invest in something like this I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Especially if it's government funded and backed by billionaires you don't necessarily need to make a "zoo" just to get funding

But that's just a theory

A dino theory

[old stone]

I can think of two reasons they would make dinosaurs

Either A: they were testing the limit of the technology, or B: the replicator was making the dinosaurs without the consent of Æ

There's also a C option, where they NEED the dinosaurs for a specific reason

[safe ravine]

I was gonna make a joke about dinosaurs being delicious but remembered this is for serious theories only

[radiant tendon]

research?

or like for the books i assume

[safe ravine]

It's possible they were doing tests to see if they can bring back extinct animals like dodo and mammoth and it spiraled into what the isle is

[radiant tendon]

but would it be in their image of a dinosaurs? sense they dont share many properties of what hypothesized dinosaurs had like feathers

[safe ravine]

It appears to be that way

[old stone]

My personal theory is that they found a way to cheaply make these creatures, and that also the creatures we see in the isle aren't actual dinosaurs, but instead completely new creatures that were made to look incredibly similar to dinosaurs

[safe ravine]

Similar to what I think. They're definitely not dinosaurs, more like monsters/creatures who's looks are inspired by dinosaurs

[radiant tendon]

or they could just be prototypes of the dinosaurs

like a test

[old stone]

I don't think they have any dna shared with dinosaurs

Because there's no way for Æ to have aquired said DNA in a realistic way

Since DNA degrades very quickly on a geological time scale

[radiant tendon]

jurassic park similarities

maybe they just spliced other animal dna to fill in the gaps

like reptile dna

[old stone]

That's the thing

They wouldn't have ANY dinosaur DNA unless this universe ignores how quickly DNA degrades

[radiant tendon]

thats what jurassic park did

[old stone]

Jurassic Park had dinosaur DNA

[radiant tendon]

ph yeah amber

maybe they dud acquire the dna but we haven’t found out in the lore yet

[old stone]

Eh

I think the idea that the dinosaurs aren't actually dinosaurs is more interesting then Æ somehow magically aquiring dna that literally would not exist at that time

It'd also explain why some of the creatures look very similar to their respective dinosaur while others don't

[acoustic osprey]

Then why strains? Make an island?

If they wanted to bring back Animals, why make a whole ecosystem?

[old stone]

Also, why only reptilian creatures?

[safe ravine]

[old stone]

But you're the Q&A person!!! Give us the answer, now

[acoustic osprey]

These questions must be thought during theory process
You have failed. Henceforth, death

[safe ravine]

I said i think it spiraled out of control and became the isle as we know it it's perfectly explained with minimum detail

[acoustic osprey]

No

[crisp raven]

Since we are getting a new realistic utah, our utah is actually an eyeless who hasn't shed its skin. Elder utah is actually an eyeless. Eyeless uses the skin of a fake utah to survive until adulthood, then it sheds the skin and becomes a true Eyeless.

[small patrol]

^

I agree

My own personal theory is, as we have seen or dead spiritual map change, is what ever you want to call them, Dino’s or monsters, for this will we call them Dino’s.

As we slowly get new Dino’s, and map changes my theory is:

Æ creates these Dino’s as they slowly make new ones I’ve rlong periods of time, let’s say every few years, for the sake of it, and while they are doing that, during herd migrations away from certain areas they slowly begin to change the terrain and add man made rivers and lakes and fill in old man made swamps, as the whole island is man made, it normally disgruntles the creatures, but not enough to kill them. And each time a new Dino is released, there is a new threat as all the precious creatures, are wary of it as there suddenly a large outburst of them, and Æ doesn’t know how to people introduce new animals into the current population. The most experienced and inbred Dino’s being Utah and Teno have started to slowly die off, being that only the smart ones are living, most of them having the near same genetic heritage, they slowly get more and more inbred (the new players) causing them to start to die off, as their brains start to go coocoo due to inbreeding. Causing them to become lesser, same for the new Dino’s, but instead they are mass hunted out of fear of the other dinos. Being mainly only the strongest survive on both sides. And the current apex predators, deino for water, stego and Carno for land. Mass populate as the other creatures that are horrible in breeding or being mass hunted cannot help cull that population. As many are in fertile or to dumb to make it to adult hood, or have gained a new level of intelligence and want to spite their creators by cannibalizing, or are just have some for of mental problems, that cause that and so on, other than Carno and deino as they canabalize to live.

And my brain has run out on what I was gonna say. Sadly. I may write a doc on it, and put t here.

[crisp raven]

or... Jace is just making the map better? because it is kind of bland rn

[small patrol]

It’s just a theory

[crisp raven]

it is a good one. Just highly unlikely

[old stone]

^

Also, calling the teno and Utah noobs inbred probably isn't the best call

[crisp raven]

Troodon is the superior species

[frozen totem]

Im so confused from this huge blob of text, but from what I gathered, i dont agree with the inbreeding thing or whatever that was

[fringe marsh]

Right.. by why are rich people investing in such a thing?

[safe ravine]

Idk why are billionaires building rockets to space?

[gentle vessel]

possible gene altering tech

[fringe marsh]

Space got resources and shit

[gentle vessel]

if you have the tech to bio engineer dinosaurs, imagine what else you can make with that? imagine the medicines or gene treatments opened by that?

[fringe marsh]

But why dinosaurs?

[safe ravine]

Ironlizard gets it

[gentle vessel]

to show the power of the tech

if you want to impress people, you need to go big

cloning a sheep or a dog is eh, but a dinosaur? or a whole island of em? theres the money

[fringe marsh]

How is that getting you money

[safe ravine]

It's a way of showing how good they are at what they do. They don't have to make dinosaurs. But if they can make dinosaurs imagine what else they could do

[fringe marsh]

But what are they doing after they make dinosaurs?

Some rich people buys a few as exotic pets?

[icy onyx]

the purpose for cloning the animals in the first place is probably complex and multifaceted, but currently the Replicator is probably using the island as an experimental playground

[safe ravine]

Alot of people are willing to invest in things that they think will make money

[gentle vessel]

medicines, gene treatments, super soldiers

any number of things

[fringe marsh]

Dinosaurs make money how

[gentle vessel]

dude, we said this 3, 4 times now

its to show off the power of their genetic tech

[fringe marsh]

Why do you need to make dinosaurs to create medicines for humans?

[safe ravine]

The dinosaurs are the advertisement. It's "our tech is so good we can even make dinosaurs" it's their attention getter. The dinosaurs grab peoples attention

[fringe marsh]

And also their idiocy for pumping thousands upon thousands of dollars into something that makes no return

[gentle vessel]

if you can make a dinosaur, you can do tons of things, and that gets investors

[icy onyx]

Its not necessary, but they decided to do it for show.
Also it could be possible to set up a "tour scheme" as well (people can pay high prices for a visit to the facility). Speculation, but not unreasonable

[safe ravine]

What we're saying good is that it's likely the dinosaurs are not the only thing AE does

[fringe marsh]

Straight up curing cancer or any disease for that matter and privatizing it would be infinitely superior and not even require ads.

[gentle vessel]

its the same way that robotics companies make human looking robots, when they make more stuff for factories and construction than that, its to show the power

[fringe marsh]

Right, but robots actually have uses.

[gentle vessel]

dude, how many times do we have to say this

the dinosaurs USE is to show the power of the tech

[fringe marsh]

You're saying it'd be an advertisement and nothing else

[icy onyx]

I mean it is clear that they did something wrong. AE's facility eventually broke down due to the replicator and there were likely issues with dinosaurs as well.

[safe ravine]

Idk those talking ai that look like people don't do much except sit there and answer questions people ask them

[gentle vessel]

if you can clone a 65 million year old animal, the doors are endless, and that gets investors interested

[gentle vessel]

i mean like boston dynamics and atlas

[safe ravine]

Ahhh

[gentle vessel]

where they make bipedal robots that look like people, but mainly make bots that help in factories

[gentle vessel]

with the biped one being a show off

[fringe marsh]

Right and those robots that are being shown off are prototypes to show off their progress, the robots are a part of that progress tho.

[safe ravine]

The dinosaurs are probably for bringing in investors and also research just like those robots

[fringe marsh]

Creating dinosaurs to say you can cure diseases or something is a wild difference.

[gentle vessel]

they dont sell atlas models however, and probably never will

[icy onyx]

The bipedal robots have some planned purpose (atlas is meant to be a rescue bot), but for now they are being used for none other than advertising. Spot is the only robot to have actually been sold (and mind you, it is useful thanks to how adaptable and modifiable it is).

[gentle vessel]

if you can alter dna enough to make a dinosaur, you can alter human dna to cure diseases, or to make us stronger, its probably why the tribals exist

[safe ravine]

Maybe they're doing it with dinosaurs because they want to make some their own godzilla

[fringe marsh]

Alright, so start with that?

I don't understand

Alter a rat with super strength to show you can do that.

Don't create an entire ass new species of animal to do that

[gentle vessel]

you aint a megacorp

[icy onyx]

I mean they probably chose nonavian dinosaurs specifically for the sake of pompousness, and not actually being fully aware of the responsibilities and risks

[fringe marsh]

wym

[gentle vessel]

a giant mega company would make the big flashy thing, to be flashy and attract cash

look at shit like what tesla does with space x and shit

that makes no money almost but it gets attention to tesla

[safe ravine]

Remember the universe the isle is in doesn't necessarily have to follow real world rules so things can be exaggerated

[fringe marsh]

I guess it could

[icy onyx]

This as well, and genetically engineering nonavian (or at least nonavian-looking) dinosaurs in the first place would be a very difficult feat.

[fringe marsh]

I dunno, it's hard to consume horror media with something ridiculous like that

[safe ravine]

So ya they could make mutant rats, or because it's fiction, they decided screw rats were gonna make mutant dinosaurs

Since we don't know much lore I can't tell if the horror is supposed to come from the lore or from actually playing the game as a human and discovering the lore

[gentle vessel]

i think the horror would come from finding out the shit they keep hidden

RE style

[safe ravine]

Same

[fringe marsh]

RE ain't that scary imo

[gentle vessel]

because umbrella corp from the outside is just a medicine company, but behind closed doors makes monsters and shit

[safe ravine]

I don't even know what RE is

[gentle vessel]

resident evil

[safe ravine]

Ah

[fringe marsh]

Right, but they make biological weaponry for militaries n shit

[gentle vessel]

just take the weapon bit out for AE

and replace it with like, live human testing

[safe ravine]

But ya, I think about it this way: reading the script for a horror movie isn't scary. Watching/experiencing it is.

[fringe marsh]

Elaborate

[gentle vessel]

imagine YOUR exploring one of their labs on the island as a merc, looking at humans cut open with needles in the guts, and seeing hung bodies of tested on strains

[fringe marsh]

Umbrella Corporation also wanted to enhance humans biologically and make themselves gods basically.

[fringe marsh]

I ain't that merc tho lmao

If I was in that situation I'd shit myself silly and then die.

[gentle vessel]

i mean playing the game

if your playing the game seeing that in first person it would be horrifying

[fringe marsh]

It's a model lmao.

[gentle vessel]

added even more if they have something like ben roaming around in the dark, chittering, growling

[fringe marsh]

And I ain't getting immersed in the world where they created dinosaurs for shits and gigs

[safe ravine]

You can say that, but it's potentially different once you're playing and potentially not some people be like that

[gentle vessel]

^

everyone is scared of and immersed by different things

[safe ravine]

I'm pretty sure I won't be scared ever playing this game, but I will get jumpscared left and right like nobody's business

[gentle vessel]

i played the qa test, even without shit around i was spooked as a human

alone in the dark, hearing distant calls, hearing branches crack

then seeing a carno in the distance eating a human corpse

[icy onyx]

Look no further than Jurassic Park, where the dinosaurs were basically done for shits and giggles (as a statement of power and development as well as an intended attraction).

In the context of TI's lore a similar thing could be happening, just slightly less grand or ambitious (= no park).

but the dinosaurs would still be serveable as an attraction as well as large-scale advertising

[fringe marsh]

Jurassic Park at least had some kind of cool message behind it.

[old stone]

Personally, I believe that Æ found a way to make "dinosaurs" extremely cheaply and efficiently, probably something to do with the sentient god machine that they had

aldo, if you go by real life logic for video games then most video games wouldn't exist

[acoustic osprey]

Well, if we look at Humans (Tribals)
They're definitely tried to create some sort of "Super Human"
Why?

Well, we see in #transmissions

Strip away everything that makes a man and you can rebuild him in any image.

---

We cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all

These are definitely referencing to humans joining AE for Gen 1 or 2
Although we know Dondi wants "Apollo Engineering not as the 'bad guys'/evil corporation"

Quote from Dondi

It's absolutely not. If I wanted crappy generic evil company plots I'd have continued enjoying Resident Evil.
So no, Iron, no RE style "Keeping stuff hidden"

But I definitely feel as if their morals aren't intentionally good nor bad.
Where you're only signing up to become Gen 1 (or 2, depending on when the TRANSMISSION is set) for the fool of Humanity.
A bit like an Astronaut

It's your choice.
You might die, you might not.

---

I believe Dondi wants the "True Evil" within The Replicator and whatever else lies in the heart of Spiro

The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all ... After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

^ Gen 1 forgot why they even signed up at all, so they turned away from AE and worshipped The Replicator. They fell into a chaotic mental state.

Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty.
noble purpose

"Noble" definitely makes it feel as if they're "Astronauts" for AE
But they ignored why they joined.

this is part where AE becomes more "Netural"

This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself.

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. we could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

Chaos is the surest form of control.

Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned.

They accepted they couldn't bring back those lost to insanity and chaos.
So they kept on

Probably leading to why AE lost their position on Isla Spiro.

[old stone]

I'm uh, not Iron

[acoustic osprey]

I know, I was referring to what Iron said about RE as well

[old stone]

But yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why they need prehistoric reptiles to create the perfect human

Or, "prehistoric reptiles", since I don't think that the dinosaurs in game are actually genetically dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe they're making prehistoric reptiles for the perfect human

I also can't say They're making Prehistoric replicas to cover-up their Gen 1 and 2 work
because they're not a "bad company"

I presume it's something similar to what Criniti said

[pseudo fable]

https://youtu.be/VtIgVsKPi4I?t=1129

[old stone]

Oh, hello dondi

Question, is my theory about the dinosaurs not being actual dinosaurs close to the truth, or no?

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[frozen totem]

Dindo's here!?

[acoustic osprey]

But that's also a theory
The transmissions may or may not be 100% correct anymore seeing as it's technically still "Legacy" - however yeah, kinda;It still refers to Evrima

However, tranmissions also lack a lot of information.
Although it does give some exposition on Humans, Evrima and what Apollo Engineering are doing- alongside, what's happened with Tribals- we still need more.

[prime bronze]

is the isle in hollow earth

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[sharp knoll]

What?

[frozen totem]

Not mv

[long onyx]

Isle is not in Godzilla universe

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[long onyx]

Or is it?!??

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[frozen totem]

The fact someone would even ask that

[long onyx]

hollow earth is something from the godzilla universe where theres space in the middle of the earth where the giant creatures originate from

[acoustic osprey]

I know.
Earth (?) is a reference

[crisp raven]

is this merc gameplay?

Troofin Lore

[safe ravine]

@crisp raven please try to stick to serious theories

[crisp raven]

but it is serious...

Troofin is important

[potent pond]

Yes very important

[frozen totem]

Guys its official, godzilla and the isle r doing a crossover!

[potent pond]

[pine meadow]

Is evrima gonna have as much as legacy

[sonic rampart]

As much what?

[pine meadow]

Lar

[acoustic osprey]

Lore?
Yes. If not more.

Legacy only had soo much, and I'm gonna be honest it was quite petty.

[pine meadow]

Is PCE still part of lor

[acoustic osprey]

Yesn't

[pine meadow]

Why?

[acoustic osprey]

It all depends on what Dondi wants.
Either everything from PCE is canon, some or none.

I don't presume it's none.

[pine meadow]

And what Dino agrees on

[split furnace]

umm

[pine meadow]

?

[crisp raven]

Troofin lore

[icy onyx]

A theory that actually work, more sci-Fiction than Sci-fiction, could be that this isle is a quite recent creation, as an attraction or an hunting place for rich people to make money. Dinosaure were resurcted by some hard working team of scientist who published some very good article about it. Unfortunately, all of them died since, and all their installation got destroyed, which led the animal to spread into nature. Also, Scientist didn't tried to make so much of them, but just a kind of chicken-osaurus. Unexpectedly, a virus and a rapid evolution scheme led other dinosaur to appear on the isle too. In front of this mix of success and failure, investors decided to make of the island a hunting place and whatever they can to get back their investment.
But the real reason why these scientific breakthrough and impossible thing happen is because the island is kind of haunted. It remain unknown exactly what kind of spirit inhabit this island but some people say they are demons. Few believe them. Those who believe in these stories think these spirit manipulated scientist and helped them to create these creature. In what purpose? Maybe because they found their work an interesting opportunities to have bodies in this world, bodies to possess, and exit the island.

[acoustic osprey]

If by recent, you mean around 30 years in the making? Yes

[old stone]

It's an interesting theory, but I find it unlikely

[icy onyx]

demons unlikely ? well.. Just a little more than resurecting dinosaur. But not more than resurecting dinosaure in a human-life time

[frozen totem]

let me answer all of this, breath No

[old stone]

It's just, I highly doubt that the isle, that has genetically mutated monstrosities, 9 foot tall cannibalistic tribals, actual kaiju and a crazy god machine, would be turned into a game reserve

Especially since, from what we know, the humans will be unarmed when they first spawn in

Oh, also the massive amounts of experimentation that presumably happened on the isle, both on humans and creatures

I find it highly unlikely that Æ would literally just turn it into a hunting ground for random rich people to go and shoot things

[frozen totem]

same

[ivory maple]

can anyone give me the website of the isle wiki

[acoustic osprey]

https://isle.fandom.com/wiki/The_Isle_Wiki

[ivory maple]

you are the best

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-youre-breathtaking-gif-14325694

[swift dagger]

didnt the eyeless already get a redesign?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, that was a while ago, but changes can come.

[swift dagger]

But no redesign for the tribals just yet?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, the original design of tribals have changed- but the last redesign was quite some time ago

[swift dagger]

being something like these fellas right

[acoustic osprey]

Closely yes.

[swift dagger]

Also, I've been pretty interested in some of the many creatures in the isle, when I say creatures, I'm not talking about the dinosaurs, neither am I talking about the strains

ie; eyeless, maybe the matriarch?

[acoustic osprey]

To avoid confusion, it's better to refer to tribals as Gen 1 or Cannibals.
And "Cannibals" (Eyeless tribals) as just Eyeless.

However, we lack a lot of confirmed "Canon Isle" lore about The Matriarch and The Eyeless

[swift dagger]

Im not sure if the matriarch is even cannon actually

I thought is was a fan thing from tapwing

[old stone]

Tapwings drawings are fan things, but the matriarch does exist in isle lore

[acoustic osprey]

We know Echidna took the Tribals up as children.
Echidna being the Neurotenic Mastermind
which we may speculate Eyeless having some sort of orientation towards being "Type N Tribals"

(Matriarch has a fan concept by Tap)

[swift dagger]

So uh. Is the neurotenic masterminds name canonically the echidna or is that a nickname it picked up from the community

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna is the canon nickname

[swift dagger]

😐

[acoustic osprey]

As we know, in Legacy at least, Type-N strains were actually "Eyeless"

if this motif reoccurs in Evrima, it's safe to say I'll be having a lot of my money on Eyeless being Type-N Tribals/Gen 1

[swift dagger]

I could see that

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[swift dagger]

would that imply the existence of tribals developing other strains?

[acoustic osprey]

No.
No I wouldn't say Tribals developed other strains.

We still need more canon information on who made strains

Although, IN LEGACY, we knew that Type-N bio materials altered anything living it touched

ANY PERSONNEL EXPOSED TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE-N BIO-MATERIALS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED EXPENDABLE AND EXPUNGED ALONG WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINANTS FROM CODE ECHIDNA-(3 LETTERS) DO NOT REPLICATE

[swift dagger]

Any idea on what the strains are in the first place?

[old stone]

Depends on the strain, I guess. I don't think we know exactly what causes any of them though

Like say, hypers are creatures who's endocrine system has basically gone into complete overdrive, probably in some structured way due to the fact that all hypers have armor

Hypers are also very large, extremely ravenous and I think they have regenerative abilities iirc

However, an ecosystem cannot sustain their hunger, and they eventually die due to lack of food

At least, that's what happens from everything we know about them lore wise from legacy

There's a good chance that any amount of that has changed though

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[old stone]

As far as we know, the matriarch isn't one of the three strains

[acoustic osprey]

We really don't have much information

[frozen totem]

How should we know XD

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly? I don't know, as much as that'd be cool it was very impractical

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, open lab in the middle of dino island.
At the very least, I'd see the incubation and gestation of Dinosaurs during AE's activeness many years ago to be in properly sheltered and contained environments

[magic kindle]

it's all a dream

[long onyx]

whats all a dream

[rustic nexus]

Technically right as dinosaurs have a transferred human conscious sorta like avatar

[long onyx]

source?

[rustic nexus]

My source is that i made it tf up

Fr tho it should be somewhere here lemme search

[acoustic osprey]

no

[rustic nexus]

Oh i swore they did

[acoustic osprey]

There's been theories, but most of it is nonsense

[rustic nexus]

Hm alright then

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rustic nexus]

I assume they’re all just to excuse why dinos in game have “human level” intelligence

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Which, and sorry to Dondi if it ever becomes canon, is a stupid idea.

[rustic nexus]

Lol

[strange shell]

When you read the lore hints and elements we have so far, it all makes much more sense if you assume there are human minds transferred between bodies
And I think it's a pretty solid justification as to why the dinos don't behave like dinos, why you can play them, why you can respawn while keeping all your memories when you die... it turns situations that would be otherwise nonsensical into canon behavior.

Of course, I'm not trying to say it's certain that's how it is. But I disagree when you say it's a stupid idea, and I kinda like that theory. It's not that far-fetched anyway when you compare it to the rest of The Isle sci-fi elements.

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it's a stupid theory.
It's a video game. Why don't people use modern military tactics in COD or Battlefield? Aren't they soldiers?

As much as it sounds cool. It's just humanises Dinosaurs and softens up lore unless you make a really gruesome way of Human -> Dino.
However We already know Humans were turned into Gen 1 and 2 (However, we're not sure if it's via cloning or actually getting a body)

[shut wharf]

español=)?¿

[frigid anvil]

I'd agree with the theory that dinos are injected with human conciousnesses, based off what I read up from the hints and the lore I'd say that maybe it was a project by AE to try and bring people back from the dead, "Recovery AE-001" has a text hidden in it that says "THEY PROMISED THEY COULD SAVE ME". Maybe it hints to the fact that those human conciousnesses are copied from recently deceased people as a form of bringing them back from the dead, or just using it as an excuse for experimenting with humans. This would also explain quotes like "the end is never" or "death is just the beggining"

If true that would make up for some really cool existential horror which is like my favourite genre

[acoustic osprey]

Just remember.
AE is confirmed to be anti-bad

[vast grove]

What if it's the other way around and it was human concence transported to Dino bodies, that would be why it said escape the isle In the trailer

I love lore

A secret experiment? Mabie?

[acoustic osprey]

Escape The Isle would be a reference to Gen 1 and things that live on Spiro and other islands. The Replicator, above all.

[vast grove]

Oh I see

I'm still new to the isle lore, I'm just trying to figure out the lore and be big brain about it

I'm also relatively new to the game

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[vast grove]

So, are you a lore expert? Can someone inform me on the lore story?

[acoustic osprey]

What we know? Sure, I'll give you some

[vast grove]

Yay!

[acoustic osprey]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit
First thing is Lore doc

[vast grove]

I'll take a look

[acoustic osprey]

This is what's confirmed

Gen 1 (Tribals) were created by AE some many years ago.
Gen 1 went insane and chaotic -> They started following The Replicator and Echidna took them down as children.
Some time later AE make Gen 2 (Humans) -> They are, like Gen 1, all genetically created
(However, we're not sure if it's via cloning or genetic addition to humans)

This is the most relevant piece of lore, excluding the loading card and pachy video you'll get

[vast grove]

I read a bit and woah...

That's some juicy lore to disect right there...

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[vast grove]

My opinion? This is all a test to try and perfectly replicate Dino's and make a park, but then...

Something went wrong!

And the Dino's went out of control

After some time the Dino's have learned to hate humans explaining why there are no humans

But that's my opinion

Hello?

@acoustic osprey?

Oh well

I need breakfast anyway

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

I presume it's also more than just dinos going out of control

But attempts of making perfect/evolved humans going crazy

[icy onyx]

there are no humans at the moment, but its reasonable to expect that carnivores simply see humans as another prey item. They probably cohabit decently I guess (aside from humans being prey and so being essentially forced to be cryptic in their prescence)

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[vast grove]

The lore is the power

It makes everything ponder

[last hazel]

I wonder how will taming dinosaur work in The Isle

[acoustic osprey]

:)

Hopefully just AI

[vast grove]

Ooh taming

Is that going to be a real thing?

[acoustic osprey]

I believe so.

[vast grove]

Wowowowowow

[acoustic osprey]

Although I doubt it'll be Human player taming Human player

[vast grove]

But nobody will take me

[acoustic osprey]

it's both a very bad idea and unviable idea.

It might match lore. Although, it kinda destroys the chaotic nature described in #transmissions for Gen 1, but yes.

[vast grove]

So this taming...could be bad for the games respect...

[acoustic osprey]

If it's Tribal taming Human playing dino

[vast grove]

It's very important to get updates right

If not it's bad for the game...

But we aren't here for updated discussions we are here for LORE

COLD, HARD, LORE

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Apparently, we're getting something related to lore in June

[vast grove]

So ummm....that was my only lore idea....

I'm not a great theorist...

Perhaps I should go back to that file and read more

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[vast grove]

Ok I'm off

[acoustic osprey]

ciao

[strange shell]

Zombification
The best way to tame something

[acoustic osprey]

ARK

[strange shell]

No in Ark you become friends with the dinos by shoving 1000 berries up their ass while they're in coma after you've broken their skull with a club

I'm talking voodoo-style zombification, using special toxins to turn dinos into puppets

[last hazel]

Mixpacker

[acoustic osprey]

The best way

[strange shell]

You don't want to go hunting with your faithful rex pet ?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

AI not players 🙂

[strange shell]

Taming doesn't mean you're gonna play Ark

[acoustic osprey]

I don't want to tame player dinos

I don't want to tame players, realistically

[strange shell]

That's why I was talking about toxins that turns dinos into zombies
Shoot them at any dino, player or AI, then it dies from the poison and becomes your pet

You're probably the only one

But I think we're getting off-topic, we should continue this conversation in isle-discussion or somewhere else

[acoustic osprey]

just have to make everything plausible for lore/worldbuilding 🙂 👍

[long onyx]

if you wanna tame dinos just go play ark

[strange shell]

You're one of those people who also say "if you wanna play humans, go play Ark", huh ?

[long onyx]

having humans in a game and being able to tame dinosaurs are 2 different things

and besides devs already confirmed you wont be able to tame dinosaurs

[strange shell]

That doesn't mean Ark can be the only game with taming dinos
If you wanna shoot things, go play Call of Duty and nothing else

[long onyx]

taming dinosaurs really doesnt fit the isle tbh

[strange shell]

I would like to see where you got that from because from what I've seen so far they haven't decided yet
It'd be weird that they already know if taming will be a thing or not when they haven't started working on tribals yet

[strange shell]

You clearly haven't seen The Stomping Land's concept arts

[long onyx]

Stomping lands isnt the isle tho

[strange shell]

It's its predecessor

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[strange shell]

And they share the same vibe, apart that TSL doesn't have the sci-fi elements

[acoustic osprey]

It's not the true predecessor. But a good portion of TSL found it's way into Isle

[long onyx]

they bought a few models

[acoustic osprey]

True predecessor is technically PCE

[long onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-23270887

[strange shell]

Just PC
Extinction was made after they began doing The Isle, if I'm right

[acoustic osprey]

PC or PCE, one of them. Honestly, nothing worth caring about besides Phoenix Corp

[long onyx]

PC and PCE my beloved

[acoustic osprey]

No yes, PC

[long onyx]

wait wait

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-my-beloved-gif-22138034 this u?

[acoustic osprey]

What

[long onyx]

kinda off-topic

i found this gif when searching "the isle my beloved"

this is getting off-topic

[frigid anvil]

Back on topic, would I need to go research Primal Carnage's lore to find out what is Phoneix Corp or is it just as vague in that game?

[long onyx]

phoenix corp are the people who made the dinosaurs in pc

and they send humans to kill them

[frigid anvil]

Does it go any deeper than that or is that it?

[long onyx]

dunno

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no.

but it's good to get a general understanding

[rustic nexus]

From what I personally know about phoenix international is that they created dinos and something went wrong and all the dinos went loose, but also that at an unknown point in time they stole assets from them such as the quetz and something else

[frigid anvil]

Yeah and from what I see that's pretty much all we know

[rustic nexus]

It would be cool if there was a further explanation on why they’re so important

[acoustic osprey]

B-443

[ivory maple]

all father

[acoustic osprey]

Disappointing

[ivory maple]

it seems that AE's point is live forever

[frigid anvil]

That's what I was thinking about also, I'm pretty sure they at least experimented with putting human consciousness into a dino, but if so I don't get what their goal would be, I was thinking something related to bringing people back from the dead, but as @acoustic osprey AE's supposed to be anti-evil

[vast grove]

lore mode Dino approaches

I'm here to THEORISE

[acoustic osprey]

They promised they could save me is definitely a reference to Gen 1 (Tribals)
And "Recovery AE-001" is probably something related to recovering Spiro (V3 for Legacy, plus Thenyaw)

[small marsh]

I theorise that I do not have plot armour

[vast grove]

...

Are you a member of lore?

So back to lore

Anyway

[frigid anvil]

Hmmm, I was thinking those two were connected but that makes sense as well

[vast grove]

I still have my theory about AE doing experiments but the Dino's got rid of the humans

But that's probably wrong

[acoustic osprey]

Putting a human conscience into a dinosaur is definitely over and above from what they've done with Tribals and Mercs (Gen 1 and 2)

[vast grove]

Yeah...

[small marsh]

Also what was the deal with Hypos

[vast grove]

I suspect they were modified to be alpha preditors

Bio weapons

[acoustic osprey]

I mean they could.
Recovery AE-001 could be in reference to finding Tribals but

[small marsh]

I'm completely new to isle lore so...

[acoustic osprey]

Not really.
We lack information.

We lack information on when Tribals were made compared to dinosaurs and events leading to the emptiness of AE on Spiro

[rustic nexus]

Bio weapons? For what

[vast grove]

See the Dino's could have gotten out of control

And ae wanted to counter them

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals did

[vast grove]

Oh.

[small marsh]

What did I miss with The Isle lore

[vast grove]

A lot my friend

[acoustic osprey]

[rustic nexus]

They turned away and stopped giving results

[vast grove]

I arrived too late and now I'm stuck...