isle-lore-theories

[mystic pollen]

Is this official or fan?

[safe ravine]

it's by tapwing but not sure if it's official official

[mystic pollen]

Thank you

[slow delta]

Yeah i'll update it once more solid stuff start coming out

[muted steppe]

It's by Tapwing, but it's part of her fan piece series for her interpretation of Isle's Matriarch.
https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Located-teaser-729573428
https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Tetanurae-matriarch-731316821

[light flare]

Is that the one that morphs its body and position in the biome's ecosystem radically between life stages? Really cool stuff. Hope they pick the idea and apply it to something, even if it's not the Matriarch.

[rain crystal]

not sure, but there's this text from a loading screen regarding the matriarch:
INCIDENT REPORT TRANSCRIPT 32: PART 2
“...LEADING UP TO THE COMPOUND ITSELF. UPON REACHING THE STRUCTURE, SPECIMEN (7 LETTERS) BEGAN PACING. WE EXPECTED THE SAME TYPE OF RAGE ONE WOULD EXPECT FROM ANY AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL, BUT IT WAS SUBDUED,FOCUSED, AND CALCULATED. SHE WAS THE MATRIARCH, AND NO ONE WAS TAKING HER OFFSPRING. NOT HERE. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.”

[outer verge]

Considering that 'matriarch' can also mean female leading/dominating a pack I find it unlikely that that particular text is regarding the matriarch strain. I find it far more likely that it's actually about whatever the 7 redacted letters are. That text could be about Echidna for all we know. Also, it's not even sure that the text is even relevant anymore since it is quite old.

[slow delta]

i mean as far as age is concerned, the loading screens aren't even that old. the console stream and original vc morse codes are the oldest and most likely to be retconned

[outer verge]

Fair enough

[icy onyx]

what even is the isle story lmao?

[rain crystal]

checked pinned posts for the story as we know it, or at least evidence of story

[cinder atlas]

I'll offer you an extra warning today, for those of you who both derailed and were offtopic in this channel, but the channel description is your only warning for this channel, normally.

[vernal steppe]

I'm not any big brain, or a student of the lore on this game myself, but how about the possibility of people lost in time? I don't know about the strains though

[next raft]

i think that might be people were put on an island with all the dinos or wasnt there a theory about either humans controlling dinos the having there conciseness downloaded into them or something

[swift robin]

This is the promise of resurrection for a loved one, perhaps.
Just a really fucked up method of resurrection / mind preservation maybe

[icy onyx]

Hey does anyone know where i could get the best isle lore summary so far? ive tried finding something on youtube but nothing ive found is really chronological or put together in a way that makes sense to me. Any suggestions?

[ebon badge]

check pins

[rough grove]

Rexes when dilos at night

[solid garden]

Hi

[icy onyx]

The island is a gap in time that humans made but soon the island became to dangerous do to the effect of the humans that used to work their leaving pollution which mutated the dinosaurs in to types of H D N and even more so do to this matter they instead used advanced technology to build a force field around the island to keep any of the dinosaurs from leaving while they send in small scout units to possibly retrieve samples of dinosaurs to study and kill off as many as possible so they can start over on the island containing the species

[undone anvil]

no

[oblique lichen]

It's very obvious the Dinosaurs were brought back by the people running the islands ala Jurassic Park, very likely using technology stolen from Apollo Engineering ( Assuming I don't have company names mixed up). The questions here is for what reason and what went wrong. Just on the surface tidbits like the Carnotaur studies implied to some degree they were simply studying the animals, but then you have the cannibals, the strains and whatever the Matriarch is. Of those I'd say the strains at least were intentionally created given there was explicit studies being done of them. I'd hesitate to say they were being tested for military use given how cliche that would be, but given there was, at least at one point in the lore, human trials being done, that would seem to be the case in my opinion

[icy onyx]

People say Apollo Engineering (the isle) stole cloning tech from Pheonix Corp (Primal Carnage) idk if thats still valid in the new lore or not

[oblique lichen]

I knew the theory is one company stole tech from the other, just wasn't sure which was which. Admittedly I am less interested in who did what as far as the names go and more so WHY they did it and what ultimately went wrong

[next raft]

i think pheonix bombed there island then apollo went there to scavenge there assets after

[nocturne cosmos]

Apollo stole from Phoenix yeah

[deft widget]

The Nazis are behind everything, World War 2 never was over, it just had a ceasefire. The Nazis are funding on Genomics like Mutants and Dinos all while hiding in Antarctica.

Fun Fact: No countries have bases in Antarctica including the USA.

[grand pier]

wha-

[deft widget]

You cannot see.

[solid garden]

Lose some braincells but oh well

[next raft]

i hope hes talking about a lore theory

[shrewd venture]

You know, back in the WW2 days, there were islands that the Japanese controlled in the Pacific and researched Unit 731. Unit 731 was a not only biological warfare study but also a genetic warfare study. Perhaps the Isle and the different strands of dinosaurs are a future extension off of that project?

[next raft]

they prob didnt think of that

[carmine bone]

probably not but hey, it's fun to think about

[autumn tree]

basically, the peepeepoopoo god created a bunch of islands in his vision and birthed dinosaurs on them

[grand pier]

then humans tried to create buildings to restrain the dinos, they created large buildings to put dinos in the middle of the sea to kill dinos, they also created giant containers with big tube things that i forgot the name of where the dinos would be submerged in acid to kill them. It didn't work because they were pppp god's dinos and then the humans tried to create hypers to kill off the dinos

[next raft]

i think that counts as a serious theory

[molten nimbus]

lmao

[prisma chasm]

whatever they do, I hope dinos no longer get that weird static visual affect when they get close to human structures. It makes zero sense for dinos who have been breeding for generations to all have some type of tracker or whatever in their heads like in legacy that makes the screen go fuzzy near buildings.

[lavish folio]

This is not related to the static visual near of the building.
My theory is about the context than i feel of the dossiers of The isle, the dossier thing because it called my attention than the people who seems writed dat field notes shows like being external to Apollo Engineering who probably contrated paleontologist teams and animal trackers teams than helped to take the notes, maybe they were sending with some information gave some information bringed by the high-class personal of AE, in the H-rex one, they dont know much about in general about the strain, but the notes were taked by experts so they could calculate weigth and temperament with one encounter, and probably they did'nt saw an strain rex taking down a puerta, but assuming than a beast of dat size and temperament it was a big chance of hunting puertas.
And another thing than i want to add is about AE and probably started for scientist research besides of creating something like attraction centers or weapons, but due they started to get low finantial support they probably were bougth by an weapon company than gave the resources to create the dinos and having buildings for the research but in exchange of create potent war instruments like the strains, and they were eventually released many times for test his effectiveness and then, they managed to extract the strains for keeping improving more and making the perfect weapon, for the other side the AE paleontologist team keeped doing research on the normal dinos without many intervention besides the structures and the strains suddenly appearing some times.

[narrow lantern]

The isle is a hidden island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, one that survived the dinosaur extinction. Many million years later, humans discovered it and tried to bring along a scientific experiment. Later on, it failed, but they were able to start another dinosaur island with some of the samples they stole, and named it evrima. Sadly, the humans mysteriously disappeared and the islands were never heard from again. Today, only dinosaurs inhabit the island, throughout the many years to come, left alone to continue their own evolution.

[strange shell]

Nah, dinos are man-made and the recode isn't related to the lore. Besides the Isle's name is Spero, not evrima.

[narrow lantern]

I can have my théories 😥

[strange shell]

Of course you can, I'm merely guiding you towards one theory that may be correct

[narrow lantern]

Ty very much, I appreciate that ☺️

[slow delta]

The new picture in #phase-two-archive has a rock with some sort of carved symbol

[tawdry sand]

its a pteranodon

[icy onyx]

Yup it is a pteranodon. Idk what dye was used for painting it, however. Probably painted by a tribal

[ionic forum]

Tribal theorists will flood the chat soon, I believe

[uncut rapids]

The left behind scientists spent generations on the island and returned to monke?
The drawing can'tve been made by anything but a human. Well, except a hyper intelligent creature, but..

[strange shell]

Tribals were already there before Apollo Engineering came I guess

[minor lava]

Idk why but I feel like the ptera was actually drawn by mercs instead of tribals as a way to warn other mercs that place had pteras near it.

Tribals probably wouldn’t need to draw warning signs since they already know the island and what’s there.
Plus while the tribals could have blue dye it feels more like a merc thing.

[icy onyx]

Nope, they coincide with AE. The fact that they worship the replicator (some cloning AI of sorts, idk) suggests they may have an artificial origin.

[strange shell]

Well they may have been there before and started worship the replicator once it was created
Or the replicator was already there too ? That would be the reason why AE came to the Isle in the first place

[slow delta]

Ah yeah didnt even notice

[light flare]

I like to think they're a bunch of scientists and technicians that just decided to return to monke. Highly intelligent high power neo-ludditism.

[scenic carbon]

Most simple is likely the most correct.

"Jurassic park"-like studying island. They aren't true dinosaurs, they are genetic freaks. Company and mercs are trying to master DNA and use what they learn and what they harvest for medicinal, scientific, and weapon research purposes. Elders, cannibals, and tribals are all subjects of these tests as they are not above human trials.

Mercs will likely capture dinos and cannibals for research collection, being paid on delivery. They can buy cool equipment with the money. Older and more mutated subjects are worth more.

[raw flare]

Agreed on the basics, but we def. know there's some form of absolute tragedy involved, and a lot of it seems to hint at the concept of human minds being shoved right into those dino bodies... maybe the men were dying and they did this as a last resort

[icy onyx]

Nah that's not really implied. Yeah you're controlling the dinosaur, but most things suggest they're mere animals.

[scenic carbon]

I think the tragedy involves the need for medicinal dna manipulation. An eccentric owner and founder of the company willing to go to any length to cure some disease, possibly his family. Hiring mercs and infecting tribals along the way.

Nothing as far fetched as human-dino hybrids, that's crazy shit

[icy onyx]

there are rocks in the world that you crush up and put water in and you can use them to paint like a old style of pain so they would of "paint' of sorts and they would still have warnings

[low plume]

What if the Ptera drawing is by mercs and functions like the intention of the "kilroy was here" symbol in WWII?

[strange shell]

Maybe, but I don't really see mercs wasting their time drawing stylized pteras when on a dino-killing duty. If it was a merc's work, shouldn't it be a little more descriptive ? I mean, with some text or modern stylization

[slow delta]

same, i think it was more of a teaser for us players

[hexed flax]

I also don't think that mercs would be walking around with paint

[low plume]

Fair enough, my thought was chalk

[cunning tapir]

Heya im not sure if anyone has noticed or if this will be significant. But im pretty sure they changed the server icon again.

[safe ravine]

looks the same to me

[lapis cape]

at first I thought it was just like a fossil

[digital zenith]

is that hypo giga ?

[lapis cape]

i mean the game has got to be a containment island. The radar, the screen that showed up in legacy when you died, the info page, and all the human structures. Its obvious that the humans werent invading dino territory but the humans actually making the dinos through a DNA program. kind of jurassic park-ing it

[icy onyx]

Yes it is apparent, and we know this. The dinosaurs ARE manmade, and altered from their fossil record counterparts deliberately.

[lapis cape]

wait what are the tribals then

[icy onyx]

Tribals are not Aboriginal humans of the island, as you might first assume, they are mutants derived from humans (with obvious alterations like deformed faces and more animalistic behaviour)

[sharp knoll]

tissoplastic rex

[pseudo jolt]

Is there a video or something that summarizes what we know so far regarding lore? i'm new to the whole lore thing.

[safe ravine]

I believe there is a document summarizing the lore in the pins

[swift fable]

hghgh

[cunning tapir]

yeah, idk what happened, i think my discord glitched and the icon wasnt sized correctly

[light flare]

The implication of the human minds shoved in dinos is a bit more abstract than just human and not human. IIRC the replicator can "redistribute" what it refers to as "profiles" which are used in the context that you might use the word "individual" or "person." Hard to tell if that means it's jamming some human's brainbits into a raptor in a literal sense or if it's something more nuanced.

Some of the old loading screens say that some raptors are just normal raptors but others demonstrated "hominid intelligence" but doesn't specify how or why. If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd guess it has something to do with those "profiles." They could be templates, neuron patterns, or even just a psychological profile the Replicator quite literally constructed from observation.

[oblique lichen]

The question is whether or not that's still canon

[light flare]

Well there's that, but I can only work with what I've got.

[hexed flax]

It's canon until something says otherwise. Dondi finished writing the lore so we will find out soon i guess

[shut remnant]

I mean I'm fairly sure you are meant to be a human mind inside a dinosaur, there was an old clip of dondi explaining the affinity system where he says that it's how the needs and wants of your dinosaur body has an effect on you, but it isn't in control

[low plume]

Eugh

[rain crystal]

so, my current theory is this:
the dinosaurs absolutely are "recreated" from genetic material- there's evidence of Phoenix Corp and Apollo Engineering stealing "assets" from eachother, which all involve dinosaurs themselves, or codenames for them. thronebreaker and all-father were obviously different strains, but as far as we can tell, alphonse (or alphie) was just a normal quetz. the names themselves even point to the idea of resurrection- everyone knows the tale of the phoenix dying in fire and being reborn in its own ashes, but Apollo is a god who attempted a coup against Zeus, was cast out of olympus to live a lifespan as a mortal, and then returned to godhood.

the goal is to try and create The Ultimate Lifeform- a god, in a way. there's repeated mention of "seeking perfection" in words hidden in some of the genetic codes. they tried to do this purely through genetic engineering, and created the hypo rex- but it was killed by the maga rex- which was weaker, and more agile, and smarter. this indicates that the perfect lifeform can't be genetically engineered, but must be behaviorally engineered.

to do this, they set up a system to place human minds- "profiles"- into the minds of genetically engineered dinosaurs. these are released onto the islands to live, fight, and die, in an eternal cycle. once dead their experiences are uploaded to a central database and fed to a main profile in an attempt to complete it. they're attempting to create an entity that has lived and died millions of times, and can understand and achieve the optimal result in any scenario.

however, a few things went wrong (part 1)

(part 2) there's repeated mention in the twitter of abnormal seismic activity on some of the islands, and damage to a few of the containing facilities in some of the loading screens. secondly, during the genetic testing phase of their research, they attempted to apply the neurotenic strain to humans- which backfired into a rapidly spreading virus and caused the cannibals. third, it appears they attempted to create multiple "god" profiles- at least one of which has seized control of the facilities and taken over a replicator. there seems to be at least 3 profiles talking to Korne in his interactions- one attempting to be helpful, at least one trying to derail him and discount the other profiles, and I can't remember the other. I strongly suspect Echidna- who mythologically means "mother of monsters"- has taken over at least one and is using it to replicate or rule the cannibals- or she's encouraging them to protect the replicator and treat it as a god, thus taking it out of commission for Apollo Engineering's projects. there's also an indication that the mysterious gateway is somehow out of reach

[icy onyx]

Thronebreaker is the Primal Carnage Spinosaurus. Idk if it remains more or less the same as it's PC counterpart or is edited into something completely different

Assuming "Thronebreaker" is not retconned, it will look something along the lines of this (except less exaggerated and cartoony in appearance, though I'm genuinely curious about it)

[rain crystal]

yeah. so either way, it was the dinosaurs themselves that were stolen from AE- not strains specifically. indicating once again that the dinos are genetically engineered by humans, there's no "oh they just didn't go extinct on these islands"

[icy onyx]

Phoenix and AE are rivals. The former is military oriented, though they have been trying to create a marketing scheme to turn their genetically engineered Oviraptor and Compsognathus into pets. Apollo seems to have less clear goals, as far as I am aware.

[rain crystal]

are they? i thought they were rivals, but phoenix had been destroyed in the raid

[icy onyx]

Wait so there was a raid

[nocturne cosmos]

yes project Inferno or something but that was AE stealing assets form phoenix i dont remember any other raid

[strange shell]

Isn't Apollo doing research for medicine or something ? I mean, they resurrected long-dead species, we assume the replicator can resurrect people too, and their logo is literally a caduceus. Maybe they're trying to achieve immortality ?

[feral mortar]

Thronebreaker?

[icy onyx]

Yes, it's the spino (according to Primal Carnage)

[robust ether]

Throne Breaker is also the code name for Hyper Rex

[icy onyx]

And who told you that? Primal Carnage has stated what Thronebreaker is on their (now defunct) forums. And it ain't no strain.

[raw flare]

Huh, the mega rex killed the hypo? I didn't know that

and @icy onyx it's used for the Primal Carnage spino and the Isle hyper rex iirc, there's Isle h-rex concept art titled Thronebreaker. It should be somewhere in pins (edit: yeah first pin in this channel has the art directly)

[strange shell]

Hey, I have a few questions regarding lore.
Do we know if the Replicator is mechanical or organic ?
Was it created by humans ?
Because when I learned about the Isle, I initially thought that the Mastermind, Reaper and Colossus were endemic species to the Isle, and the reason why AE moved in, trying to study these alien-like specimens.

[icy onyx]

So there are two Thronebreakers then?

[oblique lichen]

It's probably more likely that not every bit of the Primal Carnage lore going to be used

[strange shell]

Actually Primal Carnage: Extinction isn't canon to The Isle

[lapis cape]

where can i get caught up on the lore so far

[pseudo shadow]

Check pinned messages, there's a doc with all the lore info we currently have, keep in mind a lot of it may have been rewritten

[lapis cape]

ok thanks i have a question do u know if anyone tried to do mores code on the beeping of the opening page? thats something that ive always thought was interesting. or is that the words in the doc

also ive been hearing a lot about primal carnage wut does it have to do with the isle again?

[pseudo shadow]

I'm not sure about the Morse code, but PC and TI have interconnected lore.

[lapis cape]

so they both canon 2 the other? ie: for a better tomorrow, pheonix international etc

[pseudo shadow]

I don't know if the isle is canon to PC, but PC is definitely canon to the Isle. Primal Carnage Extinction is not. I believe AE (Apollo engineering, the isle) stole their dinosaurs from Phoenix Corp

[lapis cape]

o cool thx for helpin me out

[random swift]

That helped me out

[meager fulcrum]

I know this might get some of you mad, as it ain't a theory but im so glad that the transmissions have started up again. The lore is a big part of this community and during early evirma period we stopped getting much info and this chat kinda died lol. So yay! More stuff to sift through liek a bunch of madmen

[slow delta]

yeah although i wouldnt really call what we've gotten "transmissions"

[spring surge]

So were the human buildings on the legacy map once operational and working? Or do they have no reason to be there, is it kind of like in Primal Carnage where the humans were in control with many facilities only for the dinosaurs to break out and start their own breeding populations?

Cause In evrima i presume humans can repair and take control over their buildings again.

[oblique lichen]

Presumably they would have been in a similar position to the building in Evrima

[lapis cape]

ok well considering we arent just brushing the legacy lore under the rug, legacy has different maps wuts the lore behind all the different islands

[safe ravine]

I'm not sure the islands had much lore tied to them but I could be wrong. V3 had some ruins and a huge skeleton in titan lake that could be something

[oblique lichen]

I'm curious to see how much of Region 2 is going to remain intact. Outside of I believe Mesa it had the most ruins of all the legacy maps

[loud stag]

I think the skeleton in Titan Lake is supposed to be a Matriarch Skeleton?

[nocturne cosmos]

i dont think we ever got confirmation or any proper evidence on what the skeleton in the lake was people assumed it was matriach tho

[safe ravine]

it looks like a giant spino skeleton imo. it might be the same skeleton that used to be in the redwoods when They were on v3

[minor lava]

it's the same skeleton yes, however it was just made of a bunch of placeholders so the real thing could be different

[lapis cape]

maybe its PC thronebreaker

[nocturne cosmos]

no Thronebreaker is spino

dose anyone have a picture of the skeleton itself?

[lapis cape]

yeah they said it was a spino skeleton and primal throne breaker is a spino. i wanna see the skeleton too

[nocturne cosmos]

people though it might be a spino because i believe it has long bones on its back but its defo not throne breaker not big enough

post a couple more i found from a while back in a sec

[icy onyx]

those are twin rows of spines, not a single row

[nocturne cosmos]

and then the one in the old redwoods

[icy onyx]

Still, thronebreaker (as its PC iteration) does not have double rows of spines, nor is it that fucking big

[nocturne cosmos]

defo not thronebreaker maybe some kinda of frill like spino but at the same time im leaning towards an amalgmation or just a new monster the devs came up with

[nocturne cosmos]

https://twitter.com/KamikaziTeddy/status/1017241707686039552 someone did some art of it a while ago George B i believe in discord obvs just speculation since no one knows what it looks like but hey

George Bennett (@KamikaziTeddy)

Made a speculative illustration of whatever creature had that massive set of ribs on @NotTheDondi 's stream whilst he was working on #theisleofficial. I could be way off, but it would be gnarly if it was something like this...

Twitter · Jul 12, 2018, 2:58 AM

[sharp knoll]

maybe is a type of matriarch

[elfin hazel]

Got some big ol spines too holy. Like a super spoon

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah very big lad obvs alot of body missing

i think if i remember correctly people were saying it had 8 limbs

[elfin hazel]

how tf did that speculation come up???? 8!?

[nocturne cosmos]

nah im defo sure it acttauly dose

think its something with its shoulder blades and shit people were saying it had more then just two limbs on the front

[elfin hazel]

i see no limbs tho wut. i see big ribcage and spinal bone and the spine plates on the back and neck

[nocturne cosmos]

its to do with its shoulders basically people were saying that its split i don't remember exactly what

[elfin hazel]

ah

[lapis cape]

it def looks like a spino skull bc of thr curve before the end of the snout

[nocturne cosmos]

thats from the side you would have to get a better pic of it to see if that was the snout i dont think thats evne its head

[lapis cape]

on the right? o is that a pelvis?

[outer verge]

I think its called island walker. I also think it might have been cut.

[proud loom]

Crack cocaine theory: it’s a hybrid between the Hypo colossus and the hypo spino

[nocturne cosmos]

sure if u gave it a shit ton of drugs

[loud stag]

Im feel like the skeleton is 100% a reference to one of the Matriarchs. Wasnt there more than one as well? It grew to be bigger than a sauropod, so the size matches up. All the matriarch fan art made by tapwing also has two sets of forelimbs to back up that theory.

I remember a dev saying it didnt die of natural causes as well.

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah either island walker or matriach u got a pic of some of taps art of martiachs?

[loud stag]

I can, one sec.

So theres 5 that Im aware of. So far none of his stuff Ive seen matches the skeleton exactly, but if the matriarch evolves over time to get bigger, then the art fits.

According to Tapwing, it would start as something like this.

I can definitely see it getting bigger than a sauropod. And I still swear that somewhere theres mention of there being at least 2 or 3. I could be confusing that with the Tissoplastic Reapers though.

[safe ravine]

imo tapwing's concepts from before she was a dev are just fan concepts not official so they probably aren't very good material for lore theories

they look hella awesome though

[high heath]

It does say underneath that they are fan concepts.

[loud stag]

Yee, I just like to use tapwings stuff as a skeleton for theories, considering other unofficial fanart they've done has turned out to be concept art before.

[hexed flax]

The matriarch doesn't just randomly evolve. It evolves some things from other dinosaurs that it sees as useful

[nocturne cosmos]

i mean just because it was before she was a dev dont mean shit for all we know they could have taken some of her old work and added it it shouldn't be just demised

i think the only current thing we got named would be an island walker but it may just be we haven't been told the name or we haven't figured it out through something we got ages ago

[sharp knoll]

this is not really from the isle

maybe you can think is can be matriach maglania but no is not from the isle is unnoficial

[lapis cape]

wait look at the dirst pic in top right i was trying to figure that out. is that the mat on a dinos neck? is it tiny?

[winged wharf]

@hexed flax It's a founding titan, isn't it?

[hexed flax]

What?

[winged wharf]

I thought you'd understand it

[hexed flax]

I understand it, but this isn't AoT

[lapis cape]

lol

[winged wharf]

I know, only have a strange sense of humor

[placid glacier]

the skeleton was an "isle/island walker" iirc

[wraith comet]

it's probably just some thing that died and we dont get to play as it

[nocturne cosmos]

yes it did die and yes we cant play it what matters is if its part of lore

[lapis cape]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-duh-sassy-interview-gif-8020881

[loud stag]

Well... Yeah... All 5 are unofficial. I like using tapwings art as a reference point for lore stuff, despite some not being official concepts because their style fits the game so well. They really capture the horror element in their designs.

[sharp knoll]

But we know maybe I mean I hope we can see this strains/classifieds in the game

[proud loom]

Maybe it just is the colossus but with a strange skeleton like many real animals

[nocturne cosmos]

Colossus ain’t dat big

[robust marlin]

my theory about spinosaurus, namely why it looks like a predator in the recod, and not like a quadrupedal fish-eater with a fin tail. In short, the spinosaurus on the island became like this after the experiments of scientists, and perhaps even he did not live on the island but was bred during experiments with zuchomim or baryonyx ?!(I apologize for the strange spelling of the names of dinosaurs, I'm just from Russia and don't really know how they are written in English)

[vague root]

@robust marlin well, almost none of the game dinosaurs are paleo-accurate because they are all bred by humans. Thats not even a secret :D
(Квадропедальность ещё несколько лет назад была очень сомнительной, а сейчас так точно не актуальна, можешь её забыть как страшный сон)

[robust marlin]

yes (quadropedality has not yet been proven, nevertheless, the skeleton of a spinosaurus is rather incomplete, but the tail found last year makes it unique because few dino could boast such a swimming adaptation)

[woven crane]

It has been proven that Spinosaurus could not walk on all fours, due to the fact that it's hands cannot pronate downward to walk on it's hands, and due to the hand shape, knuckle walking would break its hands. With the new legs and newer tail, the centre of mass on the Spinosaurus was most definitely over its legs. In addition, its du claw was rather large, making Spinosaurus a 4 toed walker, giving it further stability on land and on soft terrain like mud.

[robust marlin]

could you throw a link to an article or work of a paleoanthologist (I'm interested in reading)

thank you in advance

[woven crane]

I can later :)

[robust marlin]

well thank you

: )

[lapis cape]

🙂

[robust marlin]

yeah in ru segment infa ten years goes (

[lapis cape]

was that english?

[robust marlin]

I speak English badly because I'm from Russia

[lapis cape]

o im so sry damn now i feel like an asshole maybe do google translate if that easier🙂

[robust marlin]

thank

[woven crane]

https://www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/the-road-to-spinosaurus-iii-of-chimeras-and-leg-proportions11262020

This goes over how the evidence of spino with short legs was actually a chimera skeleton, but I don't remember where the knuckle walking study was, it might be a YouTube vid or smth try searching it. Also there was a pursuit predator vs stork hunting paper about Spinosaurus released this year. It's really good an up to date, I suggest it.

[hexed flax]

#paleotalk

[woven crane]

Sorry bout that but the convo I found was in here. I'll move it to paleotalk if they respond

[slow delta]

Yeah the lore kinda works around the creative liberties with the dino anatomy and models by attributing them to experimentations and mutations. Like one of the allo remodels was due to cranial abnormalities

[loud stag]

That would make sense. If an abnormality pops up they could just modify profile parameters to avoid it being a further problem. Add a bit of this, remove a bit of that, boom. A species less susceptible to that abnormality.

[icy onyx]

Ibrahim's specimen is one individual (aged 19). There is no scaling issue. As we don't have arms, we can't be sure if knuckle walking was possible, but current analysis using the 2014 limb length estimate suggest it could stand bipedally (with the tail possibly being of further assistance)

[woven crane]

From what I've seen, the diagram that I saw showed that another individual made up the leg. As far as I know, each colour is a different individual or placeholders from other creatures.

[icy onyx]

Here are all assigned specimens shown separately

[woven crane]

Do we know the ages of each specimen used in the study?

[icy onyx]

The Neotype is aged 19, and is about the same size as the holotype as far as I am aware.

[woven crane]

I see. I do remember in the documentary they made that they said Spinosaurus's centre of balance would be too far forward for bipedal locomotion. Have we figured out how the new tail effects this?

[icy onyx]

Some other study after this showed it could walk as a biped with the 2014 limb proportions, prior to 2020.

[nocturne cosmos]

#paleotalk bois

[lapis cape]

^🤣

[wary helm]

I've heard theories and stuff about Primal Carnage lore being connected to The Isle. Can someone explain this to me? I like both games and this intrigues me.

[lapis cape]

yeah so there is a lot of primal carnage lore connections bc the isle and PC used to have a deal so basically AE stole dna assests and dinos from pheonix corp and theres basically just this huge fight between the two to steel each others stuff theres some other things that r connected but thats the basis

[mighty abyss]

The Isle has access to assets from Primal (excluding characters), any lore stuff is up in the air.
You know, like pretty much everything else lore related

[wary helm]

Huh

Interesting. Does this mean that the Utahraptor might have dna of Novaraptors? Or is that up in the air aswell?

[lapis cape]

thats the only strain we have no clue ab so far

[robust marlin]

Is The Novaraptor a kind of fictional dino? (I searched but did not find a real prototype)

[loud stag]

The Magna Rex is supposed to be the Rex from Primal Carnage as well.

[robust marlin]

I heard the theory that dinosaurs lived on the island before people arrived there, is that true?

[loud stag]

When I think about all the asset stealing between Phoenix and Apollo, I can't help but think it was over Dino DNA profiles. I'd have to say that they made the dinosaurs and put them on the island. Whether Phoenix or Apollo did it first is up in the air.

[icy onyx]

Novaraptor is a fictional genetically engineered dromaeosaur from Primal Carnage, and a possible true identity for The Isle's Utahraptor (if it weren't for different sounds and skull shape). And no, the dinosaurs are not native and instead all genetically engineered.

[robust marlin]

but I was scared that the theory about local dinos is true and it would be less interesting

[icy onyx]

The Isle still is grounded in reality, so genetic engineering is the given explanation, and also an excuse for designs heavily deviating from fossil record counterparts

[loud stag]

I keep looking for alternatives, but I cant help but keep looping back to the idea of militarizing Dinosaurs. I'm on the fence. Either that or there's some existential stuff in there.

[oblique lichen]

From what I know the Novaraptors are a bunch of dromaeosaurs all mixed together. That said I'm fairly sure there WAS a skin based on the Novaraptor for Utah at one point so it's possible there was the intention to make them one and the same. It's also possible that they may turn the Novaraptor into the Magnaraptor

[icy onyx]

Novaraptor has Utahraptor and Velociraptor DNA at least (size + gracile build). PCE skins are not canon, so don't be inspired by those.

[robust marlin]

there is a theory that the phoenix, unlike AE, had a less complete DNA of dinosaurs and therefore filled the gaps in the DNA of reptiles and so dinosaurs in the primal carnage are more reptilian, well, or the phoenix filled in the gaps in the DNA of reptiles and AE DNA of birds (which, by the way, explains the more or less correct feather coating Austroraptor)

[strange shell]

Phoenix clearly recreated dinos for military purposes. But AE's goals are more obscure. I think it has something to do with medicine, research of immortality or something along those lines.

[robust marlin]

By the way, yes, the AEs were probably busy with medicine, as mentioned in one frame from the game's intro.

[loud stag]

Immortality would be an interesting concept for it to explore, but I can't help but feel like that's a little off the mark.

[smoky siren]

Yeah a little bit, good thinking though. But if that were true what would be the purpose? Immortal Hypos?.. Interesting idea.

[strange shell]

Hypers and strains aren't the goal, they are the research. For me, it looks tests to see how far they can modify a living organism and what kind of power they can give it. The neuro strain in particular seems pretty chaotic, they're probably searching for ways to apply such heavy modifications for medicine purposes
Like, what if you could reliably give the power of telepathy to humans ?

[quiet sorrel]

enable doctors to feel what a patient is feeling and diagnose whats wrong with them

[strange shell]

And this is only one application. There's thousands of reasons scientists would like to study that kind of power, no matter how dangerous or ho many monstrous things they have to do in order to master it

[smoky siren]

Right, right. Abuse life and see what you can do with it. The power of dinosaur necromancy compels you!

[loud stag]

Playing god for the "betterment of mankind" and it all goes Jurassic Park bad.

[uncut rapids]

Even if they wanted to do this, why on dinosaurs?

[quiet sorrel]

maybe dinosaurs have a gene that enables it all to work and they figuring out how to transfer it to humans without turning them into feral beasts.

[uncut rapids]

hmm, perhaps.

[strange shell]

Now that's the question. Maybe they just took dinosaurs from Phoenix Corps because they didn't have the tech to create their own things back then, and PC created dinosaurs because they were dinonerds. But why use dinos instead of modern animals ? That's probably something about the gene, yeah.

[uncut rapids]

Oo, I see..

[nocturne cosmos]

they had dinos before taking from phoenix corp shit i believe

[lilac kernel]

In the jurassic park book they mentioned potentially using dinosaurs as lab rats. They were created by the company and therefore don't have the same animal rights as a normal animal. At least that's the argument they made

[raw flare]

i got the idea they were doing jurassic park type stuff for research and someone went rogue (or they had a secret subdivision) trying to "enhance" dinos and make enhanced dino-humans and it went wrong from there

the staff they use for AE isn't the medicinal staff, it's the one Apollo himself handed to Hermes as the symbol of the "messenger of the gods" so Apollo (and obvs the name) may be important symbolism... idk which facet, though. Protector, shepherd, hunter, musician, healer...

[loud stag]

Yeah they greek symbolism and constant references to gods and death being a necessity really make me think theres more than just "Dino super soldiers" going on. Although that seems to be what all evidence points to, either that or med study. Which is strange to me.

[strange shell]

That's why I raised the theory of research about immortality. There's also this thing... contract of a thousand lives. I really like the theory of human minds inside dinosaurs, forced to die and resurrect forever

[loud stag]

I remember the Human minds in the Dinos theory but I never can remember the whole story.

[spice dawn]

Ok

[proud loom]

I personally like the human minds in the dinos theory because it basically makes the strange behavior of us players a part of the lore.

[celest marten]

//...INCOMING TRANSMISSION
The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1014161303613706240
<::Connection closed::>

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

Twitter · Jul 3, 2018, 2:57 PM

[slow delta]

if i recall right we had some new minor info to add to the docs but i forgot. anyone remember what it was? nvm it was an image i added

[raw flare]

yeah i def think there's some minds in dino bodies going on... choose your asset

[raw flare]

Just curious, was there any morse to the blinking yellow lights on legacy login screen

[loud stag]

No, I think its just a solid 3 blinks on repeat.

[chrome herald]

Can you still get into section 2

[balmy veldt]

What

[slow delta]

Probably no since legacy is abandonned. Evrima might have new morse but the last time we checked it didnt

[hexed flax]

I don't think there will be anything new before update 4

[storm dragon]

[icy onyx]

the isle's utah is novaraptor. they have diff skull shapes because primal carnage is more stylized, they also have a lot of vocals in common (generally they just sound like jp velo)

[storm dragon]

which raptor are from jurassic movies @icy onyx

[icy onyx]

neither, they just sound like the jp raptors

[storm dragon]

can u show me a list of all raptors side by side that existed

[proud loom]

What

[storm dragon]

i wanna see list of all raptors that are real

[proud loom]

There’s a lot of em, I think it would be pretty time consuming to write them all down.

[lapis cape]

lmao yeah and they arent all found either

maybe ask #paleotalk

[raw flare]

it's not, it's fast/slow alternating seemingly at random but I don't know morse past SOS haha (there's pauses, too) - there's lights down the bottom right, yellow ones, that seem p random also

[icy onyx]

Nope. Primal Carnage's raptor noises are very distinct from the ones The Isle has.

[viscid sedge]

Could someone give me the link to the google docs I was hoping to go over them

[quiet sorrel]

in pinned comments im pretty sure

[viscid sedge]

How do I access that edit. Nvm I found it

[quiet sorrel]

its a pin icon at the top of the channel

[quiet sorrel]

looks like this

[viscid sedge]

Yeah I found it. Will the doc be automatically updated as we find out new stuff?

[slow delta]

Yeah

[cinder atlas]

@solid garden Remember that time I told you to read the channel description? Specifically for this channel? Like a few days ago?

Read the channel description, folks.

[icy onyx]

x

[shrewd venture]

Idk if this has already been discussed but it’s kinda weird how the Acro roar from TI kinda sounds like the one from PCE. At least the distant ones

[placid glacier]

Theyre made by the same person

[icy onyx]

Dinosauriac made the roars, and both the original Primal Carnage and The Isle are canonically connected

[stone crater]

Dondi specifically requested The Isle’s Acro to resemble PC:E’s in terms of sound, since he liked it.

[red cosmos]

Dinosaurs go brrrr

[lavish rune]

Would love to learn how Dinosauriac made the sounds

[feral mortar]

It didn’t sound like it until recently, now it’s basically identical to our acros distant roar.

[high heath]

The man who created PCEs Acro roar also created The Isle's. Since they are now the same universe, makes sense that Acro would sound similar

[cinder dawn]

@grand flax @icy onyx @mystic viper Please read the description for this channel.

[sand seal]

Guess it's time to clean up some of this dumb-dumb rabble.

[willow briar]

since PCE and TI are the same universe I'd say PCE takes place before the isle (right after all the dinosaurs escape or something) and TI is the "aftermath"
think of it like "PCE is jurassic world and TI is fallen kingdom"

[high heath]

No. PCE is a seperate time line.

[willow briar]

ah
so same universe, different timeline

[high heath]

Yeah, it's sort of like Jurassic Park The Game. Jurassic Park absolutely happened, but the game mixes the movie and book together, making it a seperate timeline.

[umbral tusk]

so yall you know how the game binary says "you did not say the magic word"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiQYRn7fBg has this been talked about lol

not sure if it actually has any meaning, but after reading the doc that's pinned, i'm surprised this wasn't on there considering it's such an iconic scene lol

[next raft]

lol how didnt we notice

[slow delta]

It's known but there was no point in adding the source of the easter egg since it plays no part in the lore, it's just there

[icy onyx]

Will the humans have certain weapons and vehicles like in the Lostword jurassic park, this one long trailer that got pushed off a cliff by 2 Trexes ??

[hearty igloo]

Humans will have small vehicles likes 4 wheelers but weapons they have to find

[fast sentinel]

well, i hope the mercs atleast have a starting pistol

[loud stag]

There will also be smaller, non-combat Helicopters.

[hexed flax]

Might be a waste of time but i will record the main menu morse codes when the open beta gets released. I really hope they say something new now that Dondi finished the lore

[robust marlin]

very unlikely because in PCE the company that raised dinosaurs is a phoenix and in TI Apolo engenering (I hope I wrote it right :))

[willow briar]

*apollo engineering
but yeah I dont really know a whole lot of the lore in either games it was just a lil idea that crossed my mind lmao

[icy onyx]

They are rivals. They steal assets from each other. And direct canonical links are the hyperendocrine Quetzalcoatlus (Alphonse) and Magnatyrannus (which is the same as the Primal Carnage Tyrannosaurus, or at least a modified version)

[fast spoke]

I don't think a pistol do anything to Dinosaurs maybe just for deterrent or able to kill Juvies but I doubt it.

[next raft]

a 9mm could prob kill a utah

[near mulch]

theres lore in this game?

[jade quest]

yes

[sand seal]

Quite a lot, actually.

[icy onyx]

Enough to be made into a novel according to what I have heard...

[soft geyser]

And I doubt it'll be what we all assume it is.

[rustic halo]

The Isle would be my dream book. I doubt an actual coherent traditional story novel would be possible, but a lore book at some point is a must.

[icy onyx]

So is there any easy way to catch up on what the basic lore for the Isle is?

[rustic halo]

The stuff in the pins is the only thing I can think of atm

[icy onyx]

Wdym?

[rustic halo]

Check pins, read through the doc

[icy onyx]

I'm sorry but where is pins?

[rustic halo]

Top with a little thumbtack symbol

[icy onyx]

O thanks so much. Still figuring out how to operate things

[trail meteor]

Maybe all of this is just the Animus, and raptors were the first assassins

[restive cloud]

Maybe people should have more serious theories.

side note, does anyone know what vehicles humans will use in lore

[balmy cradle]

in my opinion its probably sturdy all terrain vehicles to get all around the island as well as some heavily armored ones to defend from sticks and stones tribals/cannibals hurl at them

[near mulch]

like broken down jeeps that they need to fix?

[dense valve]

I think that the spiro map is gona be like the lost world aka jp2 and jp3 like well I have not seen spiro yet so yeah

[urban cove]

what the hell are the cannibals, man made or did they just evolve there naturally, it has been confirmed that dinos are man made so why the hell did they decide to create dinos on a island full of op humans with non lethal rabies and if humans created them, why the hell would anyone approve or think it a good idea, even if it is a failed experiment why would anyone actualy create these crazy things?

[icy onyx]

Mutated Humans

so i'm guessing that either humans went extinct or retreated to another place

[remote elm]

is this channel how the devs come up with lore?

[icy onyx]

This is in a post-modern society. Humans still exist, hence why you can play as a Merc.
We believe cannibals could be science experiment (Of AE) to try 'boost/enchance' a human.
However it seems like they failed... at least, we believe they failed

[icy onyx]

no, this is where the community would discuss The Isle's lore.
Dondi is creating a story for TI in his own time

[remote elm]

ah

[icy onyx]

i think the lore document is extremely interesting to me

this text just sounds creepy and abnormal to me (idk if "abnormal" is the right word or not)

[icy onyx]

i guess the isle and primal carnage is somewhere at the same time period

Isle, however, is post-PC

[next raft]

which dino had the species name fragilis allo?

[icy onyx]

Allo. Fragilis is the typical Allosaurus that people think of when it's name is brought to the table

what does B-443 mean?

i typed it in google and it showed me somewhere in germany but idk if that means anything

[silver rover]

I think multiple do

[icy onyx]

if you want to talk about a certain type of bacteria, than yes (Bacteroides fragilis)

[wild zinc]

What if TI’s start takes place during the cold war? As in experiments?

[icy onyx]

not really. The buildings seems very modern/post-modern.
And seems to have no intentions with the Soviets nor Capitalists

[nimble girder]

isn't the isle set in like the 90s/early 2000s?

[icy onyx]

Post-PC

[high heath]

No, The Isle is set in the near future. The guns and vehicles could be the late 90s though, this is an abandoned base.

[hexed flax]

B-443 is one of the two Magna Rex specimen

[icy onyx]

Ohh

[safe ravine]

Based on how everything looks in the images and concepts we've seen, it looks like 90's tech maybe early 2000's. Mostly going off of the CRT monitor computers and that they're all the whitish beige color which was what alot of computers were back then. Also nature has managed to creep into alot of the places but not by alot, mostly vines and some weeds. That me think it's been at least 10 years but no more than 50 since the place was abandoned. Because around 40-50 years is when trees and shit have grown in places that have enough sun and element exposure.

[icy onyx]

any backstory of neuro carno?

[safe ravine]

[outer verge]

I think the N type carno is just tapwings fan art at this moment

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah not really any strains other then Neuro Spino and Hypo rex atm

[robust ether]

Mag if thats still going to be considered cannon

[dusty vine]

Im wondering if spino will be bigger than giga and rex in evrima

[next raft]

alot of military bases still use tek older than that

[safe ravine]

I'm not an expert 🤷‍♀️

[icy onyx]

Probably

[icy onyx]

Primal Carnage has this similar 90s/early 2000s stuff (like floppy disks and whatnot in some labs in maps)

[icy onyx]

@icy onyx

[icy onyx]

huh

[icy onyx]

Are the Dinosaurs bred by AE supposed to be purebred or mixed genome like the JP Dino's?

[dry parrot]

Experimentation gone wrong on The Island dinosaurs

[sand seal]

To my knowledge they're made to be classic and aberrant appearances.

bred

Bold assumption there, though, friend.

[icy onyx]

Ight Thanks!

[lethal glen]

Not really no. The type N carno was Tapwings Fanart for it. The only real carno strain we got is the Hyper.

(Also sorry about posting an unrelated image, I am a fool and read this as discussion for some reason. Sorry for any inconvenience)

[balmy moat]

anyone know what the mercs purpose is on the island? are they there to exterminate? retrieve equipment? bit of both?

[cinder atlas]

I'm not sure if we've even gotten hints for that.

[rustic halo]

Are the tribals made by Æ via human experimentation, or were they on the island before they took over and started releasing Dinosaurs?

[icy onyx]

Not gone wrong. More than anything these are intentional.

[steel flicker]

Hmmmm

[rain crystal]

the cannibals were created by AE experimentation. from the loading screens, it seems like one of the strains they were messing with (probably neurotenic) was either intentionally or unintentionally applied to humans, with some unintended results- it made cannibals and potentially is spreadable, like a disease

anyone afflicted with it was destroyed, but somehow some got out, though whether they were the originals from the experiment or were adopted by one of the rogue profiles being formed is anyone's guess. i strongly recommend looking over the pinned posts for the most current database of lore information, and checking out the transmitter twitter

[strange shell]

Yeah, but Tribals and Cannibals aren't precisely the same thing. I'm interested too in the question of whether the tribals were already there before AE or not.

[loud stag]

Tribals are the (allegedly) Humans that live on the island and use Spears and stuff. The "Cannibals" (No official name yet) are they Tall Eyeless monsters. "Cannibals are related to the Tribals in some way, what that is just isnt clear to us yet.

[strange shell]

I also like to think that the Replicator is some sort of creature, and not a computer

[loud stag]

Im thinking Tribals eventually, maybe through diet or ritual sacrifice or eating the flesh of a mutation, they become "Cannibals". I like to think it will be possible to be hunted by a group of Tribals led by 1 or 2 "Cannibals" For them to co-exist in some way, Like maybe they worship them as gods, or its like an acention to godhood to them.

[strange shell]

So the cannibals would be "allies" of tribals ? I've always imagined them as murder-machines that frighten the crap out of everything that lives, like their very own faction

[loud stag]

That may also be the case. All we know for sure is that they're related somehow. I can definitly see tribals sacrificing Mercs to Cannibals in exchange for safety from them. Maybe not working together, so much as going "HERE WE GIVE YOU LOTS OF TASTY FOOD, PLEASE DONT EAT US"

[strange shell]

That looks like a healthy relationship. Do we know anything about the reaper, mastermind and colossus ? Are they mutated humans or completely different creatures ?
My personal theory is that they were already on the Isle before AE arrived, and they created the strains with those guys' DNA

[nocturne cosmos]

i believe they are all created from human tests or at least a few of em

[next raft]

i thought when tribals sacrifice themself to the replicator they became cannables

[young oak]

i have noticed in this beta. The ai isnt killing or attacking anything it sees xD its actually afraid

[junior abyss]

I'm having to reinstall the game, no idea why? I was playing it yesterday

[restive cloud]

That's an issue better suited for #pinned-troubleshooting

[junior abyss]

It was a question, I wasn't sure if anyone else was having that issue.

[minor lava]

and this is the lore discussion channel

[restive cloud]

^

[mellow tendon]

i think, this is just a dinosaur survival game

[nocturne osprey]

That’s what it is but with lore and mysteries

[wanton monolith]

hmmm wendigos and cannibals hmmm

[icy onyx]

That’s what makes things really interesting to me because I like doing theories about the backstory of some games and why they did this in the past

[fast sentinel]

what if the server browser is the replicator?, it looks like an old computer or has that already been awnsered?

[icy onyx]

It does look like a old computer and what if they put cameras on dinos and you’re just watching the dinos and not actually playing as them?

[rustic halo]

Has the Replicator been confirmed as something technological, like how they worshipped old AI in Horizon Zero Dawn?

[fast sentinel]

to me it kinda makes seance that its the replicator because for 1, you can spawn in as a dino, 2 when you die you can respawn or get "replicated"

[icy onyx]

Or cloned

[fast sentinel]

dont they both mean copy tho?

[icy onyx]

I think

[loud stag]

I think the Replicator is the machine used to make the "profiles" of all the living things on the island, like the dinosaurs. AE used it to make the dinosaurs original profiles. Something happened where there was a mass breakout\attack and the AE staff had to abandon the island. The natives moved in and started tinkering with the Replicator. Once they realized it was capable of making (or at bare minimum, conceptualizing a blueprint for) new life, they saw the Replicator as something devine. They started to warship it and make offerings. Maybe sending some of their tribe members through to "commune" with this new Deity they found. Those that "speak to the Replicator" come back changed a little more each time. Eventually leading some Tribals to evolve\devolve into the "Cannibals."

As for mercs, my guess is that they were hired as a bare bones team that wouldn't draw a lot of attention. Highly trained specialists fluent in bare minimum survival, able to complete a mission without drawing attention and with as little gear as possible. They're hired by AE to get in, find what happened to the Replicator (maybe the Tribals moved it to a "Sacred Place" on the island) and any other relevant tech, and recover it for the company. Maybe AE stole the Replicator from Phoenix Corp in the raid thats mentioned. It's stolen tech that they havnt been able to reverse engineer yet, which is why it's so important to recover the original. So the mercs are send to locate, and either recover the Replicator or get as much information on it as they can before destroying it. Of course, this isn't much to go on, meaning the mercs have to search the whole island.

[nocturne cosmos]

cannibals are experiments i do believe, AE stole DNA from phoenx crop i think

[loud stag]

They did, but not everything that happened during the raid was detailed. We just know there was a raid. Dino DNA\Profiles had to have been stolen, but if they couldn't create dinos themselves they would have had to steal the tech to make them as well.

[nocturne cosmos]

i think at that point they already had their own dinos but wanted what phoenix corp had they may have also stolen tech tho i guess tho we know for sure they stole DNA

[loud stag]

I don't remember reading anything that points to Cannibals being a direct result of AE experimentation. I do recall human subjects, but if I remember right those were referring to the Mother of Cannibals and the 6(?) Escaped Tisso Reapers, though I'm not sure of the Reapers are even canon anymore. To my knowledge any other human test subjects expired during testing and that led to an end to human experimentation. That doesn't mean there wasn't a blackbook project going on somewhere in the basement tho. 👀

[icy onyx]

I'm new to the Isle's lore. Is there anything I need to know about Tribals? Like are they "barbarians" or some what civilized?

[next raft]

id say both they have a civilization but human sacrifice and stuff

[austere vessel]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rustic halo]

Cords?

[eager hinge]

I've found this with some strange bubbling noises

[next raft]

pls give cords

[loud stag]

Think similar to the Native Americans or Aztecs. Plenty of society and structure, but primitive as far as Technology goes. More in tune with Nature and the Environment. Also its unclear if Tribals are entirely Human.

[icy onyx]

👍

[eager hinge]

Idk the cords but I'll look for it today

[icy onyx]

they are mutants as of the current lore

[icy onyx]

can I be the guy that says that the game is just a dream xd

that teory its in almost every game

[shy sonnet]

I think a „it‘s just a simulation“ works better for the isle than a dream

[icy onyx]

Tbh The Isle does seem like an artificially created ecosystem rather than the result of some accident (save for strains)

[tepid sparrow]

matrix.......

[spare zodiac]

make your own hypsi hand thing

why is the timer 2 MINTUES

[eager hinge]

Huh wdym

[icy onyx]

If any Snakes or Lizards are added what do ya'll think of the idea that they may have some features of various Strains? Like maybe as remains of beginning experiments the AE had done while practicing there Strains? And example is something like the Cuban Knight Anole show here, possibly having a jaw that splits at the bottom and having more prominent teeth like a Hyper Giga.

[lavish gyro]

hmm, like this?
note, this isn't official, its fanart

[icy onyx]

Yea pretty similar, although I was thinking it would be more of experiment origin and not so much something mutated due to ingestion, seems a bit to far fetch'd for me.

[loud stag]

Im thinking this. #isle-lore-theories message

[icy onyx]

The ingestion thing is anything but canon. More than anything, strains seem linked to environmental factors or perhaps the genetic makeup of an individual.

[maiden sundial]

I have a theory on how the creatures of ervima have figured out how to eat grass. They adapted over hundreds of years to be able to eat the grass

[tranquil laurel]

what do you mean with replicator? what is that

[rustic halo]

It’s like the Tribals’ god or something

[icy onyx]

It's a machine that the tribals worship as a god, apparently

[tranquil laurel]

where is it? and from where is the info?

[icy onyx]

the specifics are being decided on, secondly it has no location either because that is also being decided on. The lore is currently undergoing revisions iirc, but it remains basically the same

[icy onyx]

[icy onyx]

I think it's been stated that there are different Merc factions (at least two). One hired by Apollo and another hired by Phoenix. A TF2-esque scenario of two teams battling it out could occur on a quest to retrieve the replicator (which could be a basis for a multiplayer mode).

[strange shell]

I doubt that Phoenix Corps are still in here. They got cucked by AE, and according to Primal Carnage, they have their own problems to mind. But maybe I'm wrong, who knows ?

[river basin]

If there are two merc factions, one interesting way to make them visually distinct could be to have one carrying NATO/generally Western hardware, and the other Russian/Combloc, with blue and red motifs for the patchwork/insignia on their uniforms. This probably doesn't align at all for the lore in PC but it's just a thought I'd share

[strange shell]

Why would mercenaries wear military uniforms ?

[river basin]

Not neccessarily military uniforms, but models of guns, vehicles, armor, and various bits of field kit is more the direction I was thinking.

[strange shell]

Guns, vehicles and armors are what they find on the island. There probably will be a patchwork of american, russian, and whatever other country tech among them, but I really don't see mercenaries arriving into the island as cold war stereotypes.

[hexed flax]

#401464048610312195

[icy onyx]

What is Phoniex?

[strange shell]

Phoenix Corp is the guys who created dinos in Primal Carnage. From what we know, they probably did it for military purposes, then things got fucked up, dinos escaped and that's how we got a humans vs dinos shooter game. Apollo engineering stole some dino assets (if not all) from Phoenix Corps.

[icy onyx]

Wait so Primal Carnage and The Isle are the same Universe?

[strange shell]

Yes, they are canon to each other. Primal Carnage: Extinction isn't though.

[icy onyx]

The Carnage dino's look and seem very different.

[strange shell]

Yes, they're both genetically modified in different ways. But The Isle's Magna Rex is literally Primal Carnage's rex

[icy onyx]

So are all Carnage's dino's Magna then?

[strange shell]

No, but the barrier is thin. Strains are genetically modified dinos, and all dinos in both these games are genetically modified. I wouldn't consider them strains because they don't have the hyperendocrin, tissoplastic or neurotenic genuses. These are exclusive to The Isle's strains.

[icy onyx]

How deep does Phoniex/AE Lore currently go?

[strange shell]

I don't know much more than what I've just told you, if you wanna know more you should check the document in the pinned messages (which I should do too some day)

[icy onyx]

Alright thanks! 😅 Sorry but how exactly do I find it in the Pinned Messages?

[strange shell]

#isle-lore-theories message

[icy onyx]

O wow! Thanks!

[short raptor]

The isle just made a new game named "Menusimulator"

System requirments

Luck
Luck
Good internet connection

[sleek temple]

I think the dam was created to keep the water in the swamp

[strange shell]

For a more elaborated thought, that means that the swamp is artificial. That correlates with my theory (I'm probably not the only one to think so but I still haven't read the doc) that the dinosaurs and the island are made to create an ecosystem. That's also what the aviaries are for. I still don't know why AE wants to recreate an ecosystem with mutated dinosaurs.

[robust ether]

I thought that was kinda clear.

[warm hinge]

if you get the 1 millionth time you unlock the being able to play the stress test

[robust marlin]

it seems to me that the phoenix also stole assets from AE, for example, a tyrannosaur with one of the mutations (I don't remember the name of the mutation) and this tyrannosaurus with a mutation is a regular rex in primal carnage

[strange shell]

You're talking about the magnatyrannus, it's AE who stole it from PC

[robust marlin]

but in general you are right, as in one of the trailers for primal carnage a laboratory is shown in which dinosaurs are grown and it seems to me that AE stole Magnatiranus, but they themselves brought out an ordinary tyrannosaurus like that ... (while I was writing this, I realized that you can't figure out who stole from whom)

[nocturne cosmos]

AE stole from phoenix and got magna

[strange shell]

I also have another question... I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask it but... people sometime bring up The Stomping Land when talking about The Isle's designs and lore. What is it and what does it has to do with The Isle ? All I know is that it was a game that got abandoned...

[slow heart]

it was a dino game that was scrapped, The isle' old rex model was purchased from The Stomping Land' dinosaur modeler, I believe a few other old models were purchased from them

[strange shell]

Oh, ok thanks

[icy onyx]

The models for TSL were purchased by Afterthought (notable examples are Shantungosaurus, the old rex, Austroraptor and Quetzalcoatlus). Also the dev team bought other models made by the same chap, Vlad Konstantinov. So the two games are linked by one having bought the assets of the other

[teal glen]

The server's not working is caused by a Utah in a control room

[icy onyx]

I think the isle and primal carnage extinction matches very well

[desert sun]

That's because TI is based on/inspired by PC

[gilded zenith]

The current state with plans of implementing humans and such just screams to me early stages of Jurassic park vibes and i hope it comes true even if it wasnt exactly that, but people could mod it out of the game to be like that

[signal mountain]

Paintings found at a small morass. Ptera and hands. Has anyone found any other paintings on the new spiro map yet?

[loud stag]

Tribal teaserrrrrs I love it.

[rustic halo]

Yooo I gotta make the trek there

[icy onyx]

I think that was Spiro before 3...

[fluid geode]

I can't remember what I heard correctly or not but are the dinosaurs mind human conscious based or so?

I just remember hearing that even death isn't an escape and that your mind, energy,conscious or whatnot is transfered to another life?

[icy onyx]

#isle-lore-theories

[sand seal]

That is the understanding thus far, yes, @fluid geode.

[signal mountain]

No that was from yesterday on a stress test server.

[spiral yacht]

Lmao that would explain why we do the crap we do instead of acting like actual animals

[strange shell]

The Isle's lore is so deep even player toxicity is justified.

[fringe marsh]

Here is my idea the Indian culture was almost right when you die younturn into a Dino not a cow

[icy onyx]

O, cool.

[lethal glen]

Sorry to be a bother but have other tribal creature paintings, such as ptera painting, been found on the updated map yet or is it just the ptera?

[vernal plume]

not sure if its tribal but there are human (aparently) hands painted on other rock

[lethal glen]

Oh that’s neat

[pulsar moss]

sombody has any idea what the real name of the cannibal is ?

[safe ravine]

they technically don't have a name yet so we just call em cannibals

https://youtu.be/HEFXKJPx35Q

[pulsar moss]

ok thanks

[sleek yacht]

I hope they add cannibals. Would be very fuckin cool

[icy onyx]

They will add them.

[icy onyx]

this game has fucking lore?

[sleek yacht]

it appears so

[umbral tusk]

@icy onyx Yes, and it’s really deep lore.

[icy onyx]

oh god

[umbral tusk]

Check pinned messages, there should be a link to all of the revealed lore so far.

[compact crag]

-65,122.23, -231,095.75, anyone know whats up with the rock here that bubbles like lava? I was kinda able to get my camera under the rock a bit and it looks almost like there might be a cave hidden under the rock but i couldn't see much

[icy onyx]

it has an ever growing lore that will be more visible in the near future

[slow delta]

Can someone fly as a ptera to the radio tower and see if it plays morse?

[icy onyx]

It's a place where Tar Pit audio plays, but it's not actually there (yet)

[sleek temple]

u could call them nameless

[sleek yacht]

I am assuming you are talking about the cannibals, another alternative name I see a lot is the unknown

[copper rivet]

This game is so cool I wish I had a pc

[cerulean spindle]

The entire game is just a dream happening inside a sleeping dryo

No I won’t elaborate further

[sour rivet]

you sure that its not a taco thats dreaming ?

[next raft]

check out nvidia geforce now

[toxic igloo]

Then that's one mentally fucked up dryo...

[thorn saffron]

explain plz, any proof ?

[icy onyx]

He needs no proof.

[thorn saffron]

hehe okay 😦

[icy onyx]

vore

[sleek yacht]

NoOOoo

[timid seal]

Oh yeah! I was able to get my camera underneath the rock and I think I saw something like a white carving in it

seemed to just be a white circle tho

[vapid summit]

We are all a simulation...

[rain sinew]

If we are all in a simulation, does that mean our lives are scripted?

[sleek yacht]

I have had a shit script then

[icy onyx]

scam game simulation

[icy onyx]

🇫

[jade notch]

-239,115.234, -690,343.438, -31,846.32 Fenced in area with two hangar looking buildings and a main building

[jade notch]

also, blue barrels are isopropl alcohol.

[halcyon zinc]

break them to sterilize all wounds and heal faster!

[ripe galleon]

Thats a cool little detail

[loud stag]

OOOOooooo

[lyric spire]

what is the map AE 001?

[elfin geyser]

Where this place? Pls, give coord.

[icy onyx]

I'm assuming that's a painting, but just in case is it a fossil?

[loud stag]

Thats definitely a painting. The handprints on the left look like they were dipped in paint. Looking at it now that MAY even be a future cave entrance thats blocked up by a rock.

The rock dead center looks like if you removed it there would be a cave there. Mayhaps a location to be added later for humans? Like a tribal cave.

[harsh slate]

that would be cool

[eager hinge]

Should I make a picture up.close?

[outer verge]

Its defenetly not a fossil.

[eager hinge]

No it's not

[icy onyx]

Ight thanks.

[pine kayak]

Did anyone else heard strange noises under the ground at this place? Any ideas of what it may be?

[pale garden]

Lava

[grave thorn]

Cannibals.. Uh oh..

[balmy moat]

i wonder what caused the island to be deserted by AE? mabye tribals created a dino rebellion or perhaps a storm?

[next raft]

or maybe legal stuffs

[eager hinge]

Ye I've heard that too

[eager hinge]

-48,-190

[balmy moat]

yeah that sounds possible too

[harsh slate]

I think AE made dinos like the hypo's or the cannibals and they broke free killing them causing for them to shut down their location at the island letting the dinos free or they just didn't have the money to make the dinos and run their locations but idk

[harsh slate]

I agree although i don't think it was a storm unless the storm was deadly and killed people

[zealous pine]

Well that’s just the classic Jurassic world storyline. Atleast think of a reason why they made monsters that can’t even be contained.

[harsh slate]

A pack of cannibals could have broke out by being smarter then the people there?idk

[harsh slate]

Its hard to think of a reason AE would've left the island nor is there a lot of ways the dinosaurs could have got out

[grand pier]

well, maybe the reason hypers were created was to actually kill off the "normal" dinosaurs, why else would they make things like that

[harsh slate]

Maybe but why make the cannibals? Maybe to kill off the tribals?

[dry parrot]

Cannibals are mutated tribals (probably)

[icy onyx]

Doesn't seem they have fully left if it's them that are sending the mercenaries.

[toxic igloo]

Probably to use as weapons

[strange shell]

I doubt the "dinos broke containment" theory. If that was the case, mercenaries would probably be sent there to kill the dinos, and with better equipement. And what containment are you talking about ? There are no fences or ruined enclosures on the island. Only human structures look like bunkers, and the dinos have all been genetically modified to behave like an ecosystem they were not originally supposed to be in. The point of all of this is to watch and monitor dinos in a "natural" environment. Something did go wrong though, since everything is abandoned. Maybe it's the Replicator itself who played a nasty trick on humans and forced them to live ? Maybe it created strains without humans consent, and the pictures we can see of humans with strains in laboratories are merely scientists studying them and wondering how can such things exist ?

And if not for the strains, I'm pretty sure it's the replicator who caused all this fuss on its own.

[strange shell]

Okay I've just read the doc. Now I'm certain that the replicator took over the Island. From what I've understood, AE was doing research on life and death, maybe searching for immortality. Also... the tribals and dinosaurs may be tightly linked. It's possible humans have been resurrected into dinosaurs, and dinosaurs have been resurrected into humans. The question of wether tribals were already there before AE came is still unanswered tho. And there isn't any information about the Reaper, Colossus and Mastermind. I'm still thinking they were always here, and they're the reason AE moved there. Also, since it seems the Replicator has taken control of the island, maybe AE no longer exists/has never asked mercenaries to come. It's the replicator which may be attracting them like moths to the flame.

[sonic summit]

is it possible that there was intense seismic activity on the island that drove them out. idk if its a theory im new here

[strange shell]

There is no clue about any seismic activity on the Island. So maybe, but highly unlikely.

[next raft]

i think the tribals were there 1st because there are islands with uncontacted tribes which no one is allowed to go to and i doubt AE cares the stuff they do i doubt is legal so they would have the whole island to them selfs cuz no one goes there

[strange shell]

Well they didn't go there unnoticed. In the known lore there's evidence of AE communicating with some "government" which was aware of their actions.

[next raft]

yeah the giant ships would be seen on satellites for sure

[nocturne cosmos]

i dont think the tribals were their first

[ebon badge]

I'm reading through the lore right now and it sounds like maybe tribals used to be regular people? It states "The first generation turned to worship" which makes me maybe think that it was the first generation of human test subjects? it also states "After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained." and "Rage can twist even the most noble purpose to that of cruelty." which makes me think that the human test subjects all lost their shit and turned into tribals after whatever was happening to them?

I'm thinking maybe AE or whoever was experimenting with transferring human consciousness into a dinosaur, and when the human's consciousness returned to their body they either got some dinosaur consciousness mixed in, or their own consciousness just got scrambled by the transfer

[harsh slate]

the transfer mind thing would be a cool idea but that would mean the AE is very advanced in their technology to transfer a human mind with a dino

[nocturne cosmos]

AE is very advanced

[ebon badge]

I was thinking maybe it has to do with the replicator too? To me, the replicator sounds like some sort of sentient machine or something. Perhaps a person who's consciousness got like transferred to the machine controlling the whole mind switch thing?

[harsh slate]

it would have to have something with being sentient since its recreating ancient Dna

[ebon badge]

The replicator sounds like a person because it says something about "bringing us back" and "I promise"

[harsh slate]

yeah but we dont have a lot of info on AE or really the lore of the isle other than a few transmissions here and there

[ebon badge]

which is why this is all speculation. Still fun to wonder what it all could mean though.

[harsh slate]

yeah i wonder if the replicator grew a sentients over time then attacked AE on the isle causing them to evacuate then the replicator made more dino's and made that gigantic barrier over the island to keep AE out and the dinos in since it started making aquatic and other flying dinos that could leave the island if they wanted

but idk just a theory

and the metal towers might have something to do with the barrier unless thats just a barrier to keep players from going to far and breaking the game

[icy onyx]

I prefer the term... evolved ;)

[dry parrot]

Well same..

[harsh slate]

yeah

[icy onyx]

I have gotten out of the barrier before and its pretty much a wasteland so nothing cool out there

[harsh slate]

evolved sounds cooler

[harsh slate]

hm ok

[strange shell]

I'm pretty sure the barrier isn't canon

[ebon badge]

yeah I don't think it has anything to do with the lore

[loud stag]

Everything outside the barrier will be open eventually. Map just inst finished yet. I thought they were aiming to open up more by the next two updates.

[strange shell]

Makes me wonder something about the extent of the replicator's power. We know it can replicate dinos (even strains) but... replicating an entire region !? (remember that post saying replicating region 2)
No wonder tribals worship it like a god

[nocturne cosmos]

they made v3 by terraforming i think the replicator is just in charge of that like most things

[harsh slate]

They worship it?

[icy onyx]

Im pretty sure theres a hypo rex skull in the river

[nocturne cosmos]

u got a screenshot

[finite cloud]

Some say Deinosuchus will never be released to normal evrimaaa

[strange shell]

Yes, probably. I'm not sure if it's really the tribals, but the replicator seems to refer to them as its "protectors". And they seem to make offerings to it as well.

[icy onyx]

No but there should be some in google

[small marlin]

I thought about something similar bc of all the "the feeling was authentic", "you are controlled, you are conditioned“, "we cannot guarantee who you will become when you come out the other side, if you even survive at all” and "the end is never the end” kind of stuff

[ebon badge]

yeah it's almost certainly some sort of cheating death or consciousness transfer thing

[small marlin]

Cheating death or maybe AE wanted to figure a way out to temporarily life as a more powerful creature as humans are for entertainment (like one step further than VR) or as a special weapon in a war. Or at least this could be possible in my opinion 🙈

[ebon badge]

I heard something about AE working with a government... perhaps they wanted to transfer human minds into dinosaurs to essentially make super soldiers or something?

[small marlin]

Could be possible yes.
Maybe they were looking (for the government) for a way to fight in a war without endangering the soldiers

[ebon badge]

Yeah that could be it too. I think that in the process something went wrong and the replicator either gained sentience or someone's consciousness joined with it, and it took over the isle

[small marlin]

Yeah that would make sense

[harsh slate]

yeah that makes sense but it wouldn't make sense why EA wouldn't come back to take the isle back

[ebon badge]

idk, it's stated that the replicator has its protectors, so I'd assume those "protectors" make things difficult. I'd also assume that the replicator itself makes things difficult, if it is really a sentient, god-like machine

[quasi zealot]

i just imagine dondi or any other dev reading this chat and chuckling to themselves

[lone cape]

I would think these protectors would be the strain embodiments, for example the Hyper Colossus or the Neurotenic Mastermind. Creatures specifically created to infect and assimilate these creatures for its own benefit. Maybe making more soldiers to protect it or simply to eliminate any resistance.

[loud stag]

Id Imagine the Replicator was difficult and expensive to make. Perhaps they dont have the resources to make another, so theyre sending in teams of Mercs to recover the Replicator.

[strange shell]

Maybe the replicator works using something they found on the island. I persist in saying The Isle itself has got something special, it's the name of the game after all.

[weary dragon]

haha time warp bring dinos to a evil mans island. end of theory.

[harsh slate]

Maybe they'll have more lore once they add in the humans

[icy onyx]

Yeah that’s true unfortunately... the Dino is broken beyond repair :/

[ebon badge]

yeah, maybe the colossus, mastermind, and whatever the tisso one is were already on the island and made an ally of the replicator? Or perhaps the replicator forced them into service? Or maybe the replicator made them using what technology it had regarding strains

[icy onyx]

Where exactly is Spero/Spiro whichever they go with is located? Seems it'd be hard to hide an island that large for long.

[ebon badge]

well, it's obviously tropical. So I'd guess it has to be somewhere within the tropics. It'd have to be somewhere more remote, perhaps southeastern asia or south america

[icy onyx]

Seems almost like it could be around the Galapagos regions

[harsh slate]

yeah maybe

[harsh slate]

what if some of the dinos that are supposed to have feathers don't due to the replicator not have enough good dna strands to perfectly replicate it like with the problems they have in jurassic park when creating the dinos they fill in the dna gaps with some other animals Dna or its just how dondi wanted the models made

[harsh slate]

or they just don't want to animate a million feathers

[icy onyx]

What was AE's motives or cause when creating the dinosaurs in the first place? Like if for military use why make a Psittaco?

[harsh slate]

@icy onyx maybe to see how long they would survive and basically how they act stuff like that y'know to test if what they estimated or thought about was truth or false

[icy onyx]

But many of them are not remotely like there real life counterparts

Unless they only bred many of them to see which were there fittest assets? Idk

[harsh slate]

but they still would have the reason to see the life span and basically how the newer dino are compared to the real life counterparts

[icy onyx]

True, but they are in a way part of an artificial ecosystem.

[harsh slate]

yep

[icy onyx]

So you believe they were just bred for observation purposes? If so then I wonder if the strains were make in secret.

[harsh slate]

maybe

[strange shell]

I'm pretty sure AE's goal wasn't military. PC already made dinos for militay purposes, and we've seen how bad it ended. First, AE's logo is an asclepuis rod, leading to think that they're some sort of a medical company. All that "human consciousness transfer into a dino" is too much for a military program (because you'd risk losing a soldier whenever a taco dies into battle). Maybe strains were made with military purpose, but it wasn't their original plan. Since we know AE had contacts with some government, maybe someone told them "Hey, you make rexes, right ? Can you make a super-buffed bullet-proof always-hungry rex for us so we can financiate your stupid research ? Whaddya say ?" Or something like this. I'm convinced AE had higher goals than just waging war. Immortality, maybe.

[sharp island]

AE’s logo is the Caduceus not the Rod of Asclepius. The two are often mistaken for each other but the Rod of Asclepius is a medical symbol, where the Caduceus is decidedly....not.

I’d provide sources but not sure what the rules are on linking stuff. Wikipedia at least does an extensive breakdown on the symbology and (mis)usage of the Rod of Asclepius vs. what the Caduceus symbolizes.

Here, copy and pasted:

The caduceus (☤; /kəˈdjuːʃəs, -siəs/; Latin: cādūceus, from Greek: κηρύκειον kērū́keion "herald's wand, or staff")[2] is the staff carried by Hermes in Greek mythology and consequently by Hermes Trismegistus in Greco-Egyptian mythology. The same staff was also borne by heralds in general, for example by Iris, the messenger of Hera. It is a short staff entwined by two serpents, sometimes surmounted by wings. In Roman iconography, it was often depicted being carried in the left hand of Mercury, the messenger of the gods.

Again copy and pasted:

The correct symbol for medicine is the Rod of Asclepius, which has only one snake and no wings.) The two-snake caduceus design has ancient and consistent associations with trade, liars, thieves, eloquence, negotiation, alchemy, and wisdom.

(Now I do think that AE got their human test subjects by taking terminally ill or homeless people because they would be easier to cover up/fake deaths on, so there would be a medical connection there, but more of a “Joker dressing up as a nurse” situation.

[strange shell]

Oh well
It's weird that a company would use the symbol of lies and thievery as their symbole though, but maybe that's more for the wisdom part
Doesn't invalidate my point that they were probably looking for something higher than just waging war with dinos (which is stupid by the way, because they wouldn't fare any better than regular animals on a war situation)

[sharp island]

For the record I’ve always been pretty against the whole “it was done for military” theory because that trope has been done again and again and again, and I doubt they’re gonna go for a worn out to death trope.

[icy onyx]

The military thing may apply to strains at least. Phoenix for certain made their dinosaurs for warfare according to Primal Carnage's lore, but Apollo may have tried to experiment with ecosystem building instead.

[sharp island]

Oh aye that’s definitely what Phoenix did but I’m guessing Apollo decided to “rise from the ashes” and move to a different strategy when the first one failed

For the record (again copy and pasted because I haven’t even had my morning coffee yet smh):

[Apollo is the] god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, the Sun and light, poetry, and more. One of the most important and complex of the Greek gods

[strange shell]

Yep, that is also why I thought AE was a medical company
But I'm not sure that PC was fully military. They both share the "For a better Tomorrow" slogan
And in Primal Carnage there is a banner of a little girl with a compy in her arms

[sharp island]

Copied again, going off the Caduceus symbology:

Hermes (/ˈhɜːrmiːz/; Greek: Ἑρμῆς) is an Olympian deity in ancient Greek religion and mythology. Hermes is considered the herald of the gods. He is also considered the protector of human heralds, travellers, thieves,[3] merchants, and orators.[4][5] He is able to move quickly and freely between the worlds of the mortal and the divine, aided by his winged sandals. Hermes plays the role of the psychopomp or "soul guide" — a conductor of souls into the afterlife

God of boundaries, roads and travelers, thieves, athletes, shepherds, commerce, speed, cunning, wit and sleep
Psychopomp and divine messenger

Gonna note also that Hermès is the BROTHER of Apollo

[strange shell]

Well almost all greek gods are brothers and sisters

[ebon badge]

that's a good take

[zealous willow]

the best plot twist would be that there is no lore, just an island with dinos

[strange shell]

Wow, you're really the first to say that

[polar parrot]

I have a question i just got into the isle does anyone if i can get the game on my computer or do i need something to get the game.

[dark grove]

from the new video, around 3:18 I heard a far away roar as the logo for the isle faded away... and I saw some kind of face, and then a shadow (it seems to be underwater), and then nothing...

[icy onyx]

Try taking that question to #401464048610312195 (I think)

[dark grove]

and after a lot of analyzing... that shadow seems to look an awful lot like a t-rex with a bloody mouth and blood in a few other places but something about this rex looks... off... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAepgPiaQfg)

[polar parrot]

Thx cerato

[dark grove]

you need too get steam (an app for games) and then get the isle from there for 20 bucks

[polar parrot]

Thx yellow flash

[strange shell]

I'm pretty sure that face in the trailer is your brain pattern recognition going crazy

[rustic halo]

I can sorta see a dinosaur here

[ebon badge]

oh yeah, it does look like something. There's like, teeth in that image.

[safe ravine]

I think you're looking a little too hard

[grand pier]

✅

[balmy cradle]

looking at the image myself i thought the redish looks like this hypo rex, less a new thing and more an easter egg i guess

that is if theres anything in there at all

[ebon badge]

teeth

[hexed flax]

Yeah, i will definitely record the main menu morse code now. I didn't expect them to put a lore teaser in the trailer so there might be a new message

[sharp knoll]

magna

[dark grove]

no hes looking straight at you, hold on i'll draw on it

[rustic halo]

Now that you’ve pointed it out I see it as well

[sharp island]

This looks like a rex with the tiny “teeth “ things looking like humans standing beneath it. But I def wanna see what everyone else thinks

[nocturne cosmos]

way too big if it was a rex and those were humans if it was that it would be most liekly that giant ass skeleton we saw in titans lake, could also just be a leaf with humans in the background under it

[sharp island]

I doubt that giant skeleton was the only one tbh and it could def be pareidolia just making me see random shapes. But those things at the bottom look human to me, not like teeth

[unborn jungle]

Are u being serious

[sharp knoll]

I think is Magna-Tyrannus

[sharp island]

We’re sitting here trying to analyze a blur and a few frames. At this point it’s all wild mass guessing. Heck I’d love to look at it through some old-style 3D glasses

[ebon badge]

its just wild speculation but still fun

[sharp island]

Oh absolutely. And with those blues and reds, I would absolutely love to see it under some 3D glasses

[icy onyx]

That image may relate to this
https://youtu.be/7lf_Vrs9Dy0

[sharp knoll]

Big Daddy

[icy onyx]

Yup. B-443

[dark grove]

The thing that is marked as 1 is an eye, and 2 is the top jaw. The bottom jaw is not shown and there is blood all over the dinosaur (as if it were eating) If you look closely around 3:18 you can see it staring directly at the camera while there is only 1 frame where you can get a clear shot of the dinosaur. Also there are dark outlines and I think those are the legs and the dino is eating

[outer verge]

It kinda looks like there is a photograph or something in the top right corner?

[icy onyx]

Monos Arise!

[icy onyx]

i just found this

[small marlin]

Is that maybe just a slightly opened deino mouth, because it seems to be under water...?
Maybe we just want that to be more as it is 😅

[ebon badge]

Probably. Like I said earlier, it really is just wild speculation.

[small marlin]

Yes unfortunately, but it would be cool if it was more than just a deino.

[next raft]

whats speculation

[wraith bolt]

seems Humans to me

[ebon badge]

?

[paper herald]

Y’all might be looking into it wayy too hard

[ebon badge]

Oh, definitely lol

[icy onyx]

Guessing things or guessing what will happen without firm proof. Making theories.

[supple seal]

yall looking way too hard lol

[rancid parrot]

So how big is Isle Spiro?

In square miles?

[icy onyx]

The size of spero/spiro doesn't seem confirmed, no. We do not have the full island to play on, either.

[hexed flax]

Uploaded the morse codes. It would be nice if someone can translate them. If not i will do it myself later XD @slow delta

https://youtu.be/vUEvI02y0s0

[slow delta]

sweet, ill have a look at them soon

[icy onyx]

no, that is probably just a fadeout. Also I cannot hear any distant "roar" (not that of Tyrannosaurus or Magnatyrannus)

[outer verge]

I think there is a building/buildings there?

[harsh slate]

Maybe its hard to tell with how glitched it is

[strange shell]

In think there's literally nothing in that picture. This just looks like a paused transition screen, and you can see anything in it like people seeing faces or fate in empty coffee cups.

[outer verge]

Its possible, tho its just odd looking since all the transition screens that dont have anything in them dont look like that. There is a literal rainbow in it

[icy onyx]

Yeah and the teeth could just be The Isle logo in a akward angle

[safe ravine]

it's the part of the update 3 trailer where the isle logo evaporates at the end. I seriously doubt there's any lore in that. Like Bubulblu said if you see anything it's probably your brain making out shapes in an abstract pattern. Like how people see faces in tree bark and stuff

[icy onyx]

^

[ripe kettle]

That's not anything it's just supposed to be a cool effect to close out the trailer with

[opaque wasp]

looks either like cerato or allo if you invert the colour

[dark grove]

When loading up the game I caught this screenshot... looks like a dinosaur blowing up???

[rustic halo]

Might just be a glitching/distortion effect

[half pond]

do yall think that the hypo colossus is a specimen of a hypo human?

[craggy current]

I also have a screenshot I got when the game loaded up, Looks like neuro rex and hypo giga

[paper herald]

Looks like the art of tisso rex

[craggy current]

Ye I just found it, ty

[ebon badge]

the left one is neuro rex for sure

[cunning dagger]

just checked the loading screens, are the isle and Primal Carnage actually linked?

[icy onyx]

That is a part of a chart of tyrannosaur strains by Rodrigo Vega

[strange shell]

Yes they are, Phoenix Corps and Apollo Engineering are rivals

[cunning dagger]

Holy shit, I never knew that.
I knew some devs of the isle used to work on primal carnage, but I never thought they were still working together a little.

[elfin geyser]

Inside the cave, with a drawing of hands and a pteranodon, there is indeed lava. And there is also such a symbol.

[grand pier]

what cave

[elfin geyser]

this cave @grand pier

[grand pier]

is it -48 and -190?

this is what i find when i go there

[grand pier]

could you use the character screen and give your coords because i can't find that spot with the coordinates that "Icy 2" gave

[sharp knoll]

looks like a replicator

[elfin geyser]

But you are right, it could be a bad image of the replicator 👀
At first I thought that it could be the sun.

(This is an old concept where "Natives will be able to sacrifice to the Replicator using such structures")

[grand pier]

Can anyone else who found this cave entrance show the exact location?

[vernal plume]

you still need coords ?

[grand pier]

i found a video showing inside of the cave now
https://youtu.be/g1uZ60pxrIs?t=319

[celest marten]

Replicator is always watching 👀

Very similar to this one:

https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1017233558312660993

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

The replicator is not without its protectors. https://t.co/DJFdyWvJKq

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[sharp island]

Bad phone pic because my computer hates discord but here’s the cave coordinates. Standing at the hand/ptera paintings now. If you do a Southeast spawn it’s super easy to find just going a bit south til you find the dirt road then follow it til it branches off to the right

[raw wadi]

So how much lore is there actually. Anyone have like a guide or smthn

[icy onyx]

Dondi's fully written it. Not out yet. So for now we have some glimpses through the environment and the roster (e.g. Magnatyrannus)

[icy onyx]

Dondi owns the rights to the original Primal Carnage since he simply managed to buy them.

[cunning dagger]

🗿

you got a source for that @icy onyx ?

[icy onyx]

I've heard it from somewhere, but I don't remember where.

[drifting bear]

I was wandering around and found what looks to be a building on top of that distant mountain. Not sure if it's a graphics bug or not but i found it interesting

[shy sonnet]

that's the radio tower

[drifting bear]

oh hmm

[grand crown]

it looks like a camera flashing

[visual holly]

I swear if you brighten up the screen at the end of the new evrima trailer, it looks like the front view of a huge aquatic dino swimming into the camera, causing the bubble effect. At first I'd like to believe it is a spino due to the slightly narrow sides of the head, but still oddly shaped

*the shadow I mean

[buoyant river]

Bad opinion alert

[raw wadi]

If they do then it’d be nice if it could be disabled in server settings. If that happens then why not

[sharp island]

They WILL be adding humans and they WILL give admins the option to disable them per server. These are not theories

[raw wadi]

oh cool thanks for clearing it up. also oops i didnt see this was lore theories

[sharp island]

👍
Personally I think at least some of the tribals might actually be the original AE scientists that began to worship the replicator over time. Which would explain why mercenaries are actually needed to find out what’s going on, because the AE main hub lost contact with their on-site teams

[ebon badge]

Yeah, I do think that the tribals used to be normal humans. Perhaps test subjects. My idea is that there was a consciousness mix-up - the dinosaur bodies got part human consciousness (we know that the dinosaurs in-game have something to do with having human consciousness), and the humans got some dinosaur consciousness (tribals/cannibals).

[sour tangle]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1779462381244672218/6109362554D9D66A99E1899D4C5D3DEF23709A28/

tribals..... https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1779462381244673699/BA2EFE54DDCD04A8306B8A448201EF1806B9EBEF/

[sour tangle]

look i found a dinos face at 3:20

[safe ravine]

Regarding that,
Pareidolia: the tendency to perceive a specific, often meaningful image in a random or ambiguous visual pattern

[digital mulch]

I don’t know why but at the tribal paintings i hear lava or is it drums?

[shadow nimbus]

Why do they want to add humans tho?

[grand pier]

it's a tar pit, you're hearing bubbling sounds

[strange shell]

Because they're essential to the lore?

[icy onyx]

Because humans made the dinosaurs. They are genetically modified organisms. There is no land which time has forgotten.

[shadow nimbus]

well personally i think barely any servers will use the humans when they come out because no one bought the isle to play as a human

[loud stag]

Im pretty sure the cave paintings mark the entrance to a future cave. If I had to guess, there will be something Tribal related in the cave when its open to players.

[strange shell]

You should just stop talking about this in the lore theories channel

[sour tangle]

The lava sounds are tar its hidden in the unfinished cave

[placid glacier]

[lavish gyro]

humans were planned from the beginning, they are even in the game's steam description iirc

[lapis cape]

humans will be a field day for this # bc thatll bring up a lot of lore thats the only reason im excited

[shadow nimbus]

Just because they are in the lore does not mean they need to be a playable feature

[ebon badge]

humans have been planned since day one and will be a large part of the game

[shadow nimbus]

rightio i guess

[raven kite]

So they can shoot dinos from a bush instead of the glorious melee combat we're accustomed to.

[shadow nimbus]

WHY guns man

[strange shell]

Because humans can't beat a dinosaur in hand-to-hand combat

[crude tendon]

bro humans will ruin the game of a survival DINO game like come on

[strange shell]

Thankfully it was never intended to be a survival dino game

[crude tendon]

are u the dev ?

[shadow nimbus]

path of titans then?

[strange shell]

No but I've read the Steam store page
And I've also followed development for quite some time

[crude tendon]

if its not a dino game wth is it?

[shadow nimbus]

so do they plan on turning the isle into ark?

[strange shell]

A humans vs dinos game ?

[crude tendon]

ark survival evolved?

[strange shell]

No, Primal Carnage
Which is, by the way, tied to The Isle in its lore, as both share elements and take place in the same universe, where humans have managed to bring dinosaurs back to life.

[ocean veldt]

i think humans would be an interesting feature. gives the people who play dinos a target to come together on and players who play humans the really difficult task of fighting off dinos. usual human/dino game is you play a human and fight against AI. this time you're fighting players, which are likely more intelligent

also playable humans will likely give us more access to lore etc

[slim aurora]

I think it would be difficult to balance humans. If they have weapons like guns they are sniper and fight from distance. so if there are many humans every dino will lose, if the human is alone he has no chance

[ocean veldt]

limited amo and resource collection is a good way. also potentially a really low health? like a human is not going to have the resilience of a croc . its a good start at least

[icy onyx]

what is the actual isle lore?????

[strange shell]

Look at the pins
If you want a short versions, some weird scientific corporation decided to recreate dinos for an obscure purpose using a machine called the Replicator. The machine gained sentience and decided to pursue its own goals, which are even more obscure and imply mutated dinos with telekinetic powers and humans turned into blood-thirsty creatures.

[icy onyx]

ok

i kinda get the lore thanks for that

[feral pond]

Cleaning up the chat. This is lore theories, discussion about humans being added or not is not relevant to this channel.

[grand pier]

what's the best current idea of what mercs were sent to do in the islands?

[ebon badge]

well, I'm pretty sure they're sent unwillingly. Test subjects, perhaps?

[strange shell]

My guess is that the Replicator is attracting them with false radio signals to... do something out of them.

[ebon badge]

I think Dondi said something about "airdropped in with no supplies" at one point, so maybe Æ sends them in unwillingly?

[warped valley]

It's all a TV show, and the mercs are there to try and win a million dollars. /headcanon

[ebon badge]

lmao

[quiet sorrel]

maybe the replicator as said by bubulblu is attracting them in then somehow masking their radio chatter off the island maybe even sending back fake responses and updates to use the mercs as test subjects (although it may not be needed as all the replicator really needs to do is make it seem like the scientists are still alive). maybe the replicator is seeing how effective its "tribals" and mutated dinos are against humans and maybe on top of that is trying to experiment with mutations on humans. my guess maybe would be that a scientist may have uploaded his or her consciousness into the replicator and joined it to try become a god/godlike. Maybe the replicator is a rogue sentient AI. Also maybe the replicator is making it seem like the scientists on the island are alive and just need the mercs to bring the power and systems on the island back online when in reality it is actually planning to experiment on them. These are all guesses and may not even be remotely close to what is happening at all on the island. These are my theories anyways.

[dark grove]

Earlier today I was loading up the isle and on the screen at the top right of the AE logo it said "anomaly detected" and thats the one time I ever got it and I couldnt get a screenshot but yeah... minor but maybe important detail ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon badge]

yeah I definitely agree that the replicator seems sentient. I also was thinking that it could be someone who joined their consciousness with the machine.

[quiet sorrel]

would make sense especially with how some people are saying the companies main goal may be immortality and that could easily cause a scientist to slowly be consumed by it and try find alternative methods to achieve it. Plus would also make sense if it was that the replicator itself became sentient somehow maybe through programming or something it created manipulating its own core programming. Maybe even somehow a creature designed by scientists somehow connected with and started controlling the replicator itself to cause havoc on the island to free itself.

[ebon badge]

yeah

[tawdry rampart]

someone explain the current storyline of the isle to me

[ebon badge]

check the pins

[real remnant]

Anyone else seen these marking and handprints?

[sharp knoll]

yes

[next raft]

i cant keep up with the amount of stuff in here lately

[sharp island]

Personally I think the mercs are hired by someone investigating whatever screwup happened, based on loading screen info. I have all of the frames of the Legacy and EVRIMA loading screens. (Green is old obv)

[ripe nacelle]

ya it kind of follows an amended version of jurrasic park, love it tbh :=)

[woeful chasm]

Huh?

[ornate seal]

Logic? Undeniable. Lore? Solved.

[stone crater]

So, we basically know that the whole respawn system in-game has lore behind it-- we, the players, are profiles, artificially-implanted minds into the bodies of archosaurs and mutants and whathaveyou by the Replicator, and that's all well and good. What I'd like to understand is how the Mercenaries fit into that system-- are they coming from outside it, or are they part of it??

Specifically, how will the in-universe explanation of Mercenaries respawning be handled?? Are they somehow connected to the Replicator, just as much a part of it as the dinosaurs are-- are these human beings profiles, too?? Or, lore-wise at least-- is every new life you play as a Mercenary functionally a different person, dropping onto the islands from the outside rather than being Replicated??

I lean more towards the latter-- how else can the Mercenaries' supposed extreme under-preparedness be explained?? If they do end up spawning with only a flashlight and a knife, or whatever, why would whomever sent the Mercs bother dropping supplies separately?? On the other hand, how would the Replicator supply the humans with, when iirc its only established function is to revive and Replicate profiles??

[icy onyx]

Supply would likely have to be done from outside the island, Given the circumstances somebody would have to both brief and supply them beforehand and them provide them with regular shipments at intervals with that depending on the force strength, while I doubt its going to be anything like a few main battle tanks I would suggest it could be in the region of a few company sized elements of Merc contractors and field transportation and survival equipment.

If the goal truely is investigative then a combat force would not be required it would be fast moving and have just enough to accomplish its objective and then get the hell out of harms way.

But that is based on the principal of military necessity alone and might not apply in this scenario.

[icy onyx]

Sometimes this kind of logic does not apply to games but its what I would do.

[strange shell]

The fact mercs are under-equipped, in my mind, correlates perfectly with the theory that the replicator attracted them then resurrects them endlessly. It gives them only few equipments and the promise of being able to find more when they're brought back to life, to give them a slight hope and keep them running and fighting for their lives. Maybe they were well armed the first time they came on the island, or they were totally not aware that they would be pit against dinosaurs. Now they are perfectly aware that they're inside of an endless death trap, they know they're fighting dinosaurs and their mutated kin, and they know their chances of escaping are extremely slim. But they gotta try anyways, they have nothing better to do.

[rustic halo]

That might also fit with the immortality theory. Except AE isn’t doing it, the Replicator is, and they want to figure out how/why.

[lapis cape]

wait the way we control dinos is because our minds are getting artificially implanted? i kinda dont like that it should just be us watching each dino on the island through the monitor cuz thats what we turn on in the beginning and the character screen looks like a diagnostics page that can be brought up

[strange shell]

We are inside the dinos
AND we are monitored
Otherwise how would you explain that we can control them?

[celest marten]

//...INCOMING TRANSMISSION
The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

//...INCOMING TRANSMISSION
Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned.

Repeating the same patterns is what they want you to do.

[loud stag]

I think the Tribals and Dinosaurs are coming from the replicator. The Mercs, however, I think are coming from off island. Maybe hired by AE? I think AE made Replicator and its one of a kind. Either its too expensive/inefficient to make a second one. I think AE hired teams of Mercenaries to send to the island in hopes of recovering the Replicator from the Island that was left behind. The tribals found it and started worshipping it because it can literally create (and possibly alter/mutate) life.

[nocturne cosmos]

i think its the tribals who are worshipping it

[loud stag]

Not knowing where the replicator is or what it does might explain why the mercs have such little gear to start. Rather than being a combat group, the mercs are special ops or a Recon group that are trained in stealth with the goal of locating and recoving the replicator on an island full of dinos and cannibals. I feel it would make sense to bring minimal equipment, so as not to increase the chance of being heard on an island where gunshots travel for miles like a dinner bell.

[stone crater]

that's already established

[icy onyx]

Yeah there’s even a painting in game referencing the tribals worship of technology like the camera and the replicator

https://twitter.com/aeolympustransm/status/1017233558312660993?s=21

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

The replicator is not without its protectors. https://t.co/DJFdyWvJKq

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[low zephyr]

Do we know or have an idea of what the serpent represent in the first drawing?

[loud stag]

So I think the long and short of it is that the Isle itself is a failed experiment by AE using the replicator to achieve whatever their goal was. Something catostrophic happened and they abandoned the island, and it got taken over by the Tribals and dinosaurs. Fast foreward a few years, they wanna try again but dont have the replicator. So they send in teams of Mercs in hope of recovering the Replicator, only to find the Tribals have moved it to a more protectable place, and worship it now.

[low zephyr]

So the object in the middle of the sun like drawing would be the Repliator?

[nocturne cosmos]

i think that is a CCTV camera

[loud stag]

The other paintings seem like animals we'd see around the Isle if we were a Tribal doing Tribal things. Based on that, Id guess thats a Titanoboa.

As for the circular painting, hmm. My guess is a camera from the outside of the buildings.

[low zephyr]

Facinating! Its impressive too see a human sociatie survive wher it would be almost impossible.

[loud stag]

I cant wait to see how Tribals connect to Cannibals.

[quiet sorrel]

I see that above in one of the transmissions it says repeating the same cycle is what they want you to do so my guess is that the cycle is profiles repeatedly growing and dying as different creatures and in doing so helps them gather information on those life times. Also i imagine by the whole quote from the transmission "We could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted." could be hinting to many things such as maybe things like diets and could give lore to actually players which are the profiles wanting to become strains at the end of their life time making players want to stick to the animals natural behaviours to achieve this. My question is however is how would the profiles possibly break the cycle? maybe there will be a secret in the future that could be unlocked in game-play by the players actively ignoring the diets as an act of resistance to this profile brainwashing that maybe will help break the cycle. I maybe wrong however and the breaking of the cycle could be becoming a strain however this could further be playing into what the system wants and is making you want to "break the cycle" when in reality there is no escape and it is what they actually want.

[gray coyote]

Could be a symbol of the replicator....???

[sharp knoll]

probally

[toxic igloo]

OR MAYBE makeing a trip to a dinosaur island with a truckload of stuff is a bad plan

[icy onyx]

Is the bird like creature in the bottom left a Theri? Or something else...?

[vernal plume]

Looks like a theri
long neck, 3 big claws

[icy onyx]

Aight Thanks

[potent cobalt]

it may be a camera flash

[icy onyx]

Scary theirs

[loud stag]

It looks like the CCTV cameras on the outside of human structures to me.

[slow pumice]

And looks like a chicken

[strange shell]

What's more jarring to me is the tribals kneeling around a hyper spino. It's ok for tribals to worship a strain, but shouldn't they all instantly die if they kneel to one ? Cause they are bloodthirsty machines and all... Will tribals and strains be incentivized to work together in the future ?

[vernal plume]

Arent they kneeling to titanoboa too? or whatever that big snake is

[nocturne cosmos]

i mean they seem to worship anything with power and the strains are just powerfull versions of existing dinos

[vernal plume]

Did they do sacrifices too? Idk if that standing one right in front of the snake makes part of the entire scene but... idk
looks like it was thrown there to die, to feed the titanoboa

[vagrant jasper]

Looks like a sacrifice to me

[icy onyx]

Strains are created so maybe tribals would think they are some holy or important being. So maybe they would worship them in a way but definitely not go near them.

[hexed flax]

It looks like the hyper spino is on the sacrificial temple. They probably created it to destroy their enemies and then left it to die of starvation once it outlived it's usefulness. And since there is still a human consciousness in the hyper spino, the worshipping part should actually work.

[loud stag]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tribals didn't make sacrifices to the Replicator. Maybe instead of killing those sacrifices, however, they send them through the Replicator? Maybe those people come out the other side as "Cannibals?"

[icy onyx]

@loud stag @vernal plume
This video has highlights tribal sacrifices and what not

https://youtu.be/MwQEnZRzVLY

[icy onyx]

And how exactly are tribals related to the lore

[red cosmos]

Humans made dinosaurs bam that's all

[rustic halo]

[bronze moth]

I think that shortly after the island was abandoned by AE (company that recreated the dinosaurs) the tribals who are nomads found the island and thought that the dinosaurs were spirits or divine creatures, so they stayed there

[swift robin]

Doesn't seem very likely. Why would a tribe of mutant humans worship the things that they brutally capture and torture and sacrifice for their own amusement?

[icy onyx]

The replicator created the tribals after going haywire/becoming sentient. The strains arose through similar means, too

[loud stag]

l think Tribals were created by AE through experimentation. Most likely with the replicator. After escaping, the mutations probably stabilized through natural reproduction after a few generations, resulting in the Sub-human appearance of the tribals. The context as to why AE was experimenting on Humans is currently lost though. I do like the Immortality theory, personally.

[light flare]

Some of the older lore bits involving the islands' central AI system make me wonder if Tribals were scientists and staff members of AE that chose the Replicator over their employer. I mean, if I had to choose between a machine that can promise me immortality and a corporation that keeps me as a wage slave you better believe I'm going with the machine.

Imagine that, inside of these monstrous looking pseudo-people, are the minds of the scientists that made what's on these islands possible. They're not just some raving lunatics, backwards savages, or conjured up minions. They're frighteningly intelligent people that have chosen a life of ludditism under the domain of a Machine-God

[strange shell]

So tribals would be aware of what they are and have chosen this willingly ? Now that's interesting... but a little unlikely. I mean, sure, a lot of clues point to the fact that tribals may oriniate from scientists, but it's also pointed out in the lore that they progressively lost their humanity and most advanced cognitive abilities. They might have been willing at first, and they might still be smarter than they look, but they're no longer capable of understanding what they really are. Otherwise, they would also be able to steal mercs weapons to use them agaisnt them.

[quiet sorrel]

Im pretty sure dondi said that tribals will be able to use guns just not as well as the mercs which would link to loss of cognitive function

[strange shell]

Maybe by "using guns but not as well as the mercs" he meant using them as clubs ? An assaut rifle can cause a pretty decent amount of damage when bashing someone's head with

[quiet sorrel]

I think the person who mentioned that dondi saying they could use guns said they would be able to fire them but im not sure how true it was. If they can i imagine it would be closer to a chimpanzee being given a gun and firing it than a merc using aim which i think would show the loss in intelligence. But if they use them as clubs then it will show that a lot more intelligence was lost than we thought.

[raw hull]

my friends settings doasnt work, like binds and stuff can sombody help?

[outer verge]

This isnt exactly right place to ask that

[dusk axle]

isnt that "El Tio Jillipollas"?

[swift robin]

Dondi has already confirmed that tribals will not fire guns. Look at the video by Meatylock

[woeful chasm]

They can steal them though

Since they can pick them up

[cursive arch]

You did it - you solved the lore

[red cosmos]

😎

[craggy idol]

XD

[icy onyx]

Its connected to Primal carnage in some way, ok bye

[grand pier]

wasn't there a theory about AE taking vegetation from multiple regions in the world and putting it in spiro?

[pine nimbus]

Someone had to have come up with a theory that AE was trying to weaponize the dinos right?

[lyric saffron]

Since dryo is much bigger than hypsi, and dryo becomes full adult in 45 minutes, will hypsi grow in 25 minutes? Or more? Or less?

[restive cloud]

Dryo Is 30 mins

[little shoal]

what is the deal with the three "atriums"

is the Isle supposed to be one of them? also is one supposed to be for aerial dinos and one is for aquatic? kind of telling for expansions I think if so, ne pas?

[strange shell]

The atriums are buildings meant to create micro-biomes on the surface of the island

[icy onyx]

The Atriums are a set of buildings from Primal Carnage. A was for carnivorous dinosaurs, B was for plesiosaurs and other semi aquatic reptiles, and C was for pterosaurs, according to what I remember.

[little shoal]

ahh okay, so that's all unrelated to the Isle now?

[hasty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcom-jurassic-park-science-could-should-gif-5197847

[autumn maple]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496037

[woeful chasm]

V3 had an atrium, who knows if spiro will have one

[grand pier]

I wanna see one in spiro

[warped valley]

That'd be a cool landmark up on the mountain where the B.... SPIRE... used to be.

[frosty relic]

ask it in isle discussion, not here

it was deleted now i look nonsensical

[stone crater]

does the console appear to be an entity similar to the Replicator??

[loud stag]

I think the entity speaking through the console IS the Replicator. It would make sense that its hooked up to other electronics on the Isle, and even more sense if it was somehow sentient.

[icy onyx]

It probably is sentient. It decided to make the tribals and strains in the first place I'm pretty sure. It seemed to be a system where scientists/engineers tasked the machine with creating creatures, but then it decided to make it's own things without supervision from scientists. And then the facility breaks down because of the various abominations the replicator has generated

[agile dirge]

I’m kind of curious if the replicator works somewhat like the WAU out of SOMA. A bio mechanical esq computer hooked up to the entire network across the islands. Could be something of it having been given a command and left unattended to its own devices to make its own decisions. Or, being a machine without any moral code or ethics, began replicating in the most efficient manor possible. Just take the already functioning brain of a creature it has easy access too (the personnel at the facilities) and drop it in the body of a dinosaur and skip the whole creating consciousness business. Unethical but quick and easy

[strange shell]

It's pretty obvious the replicator is sentient. I'm also quite sure it has control of all the network of the island, but then... who said the facility broke down ? We see computers overrun with vegetation but still perfectly functioning. I think the replicator just booted humans out of the island because it doesn't need them to sustain itself, and abandon everything that was required for them but not for itself. I mean, the replicator doesn't need a clean keyboard to interact with a computer. It just needs that the computer is working. I also agree with TankBomb for the consciousness part, we have heavy clues that human consciousnesses are forcefully implemented into dinos. Maybe it's not just easier, but it's straight-out impossible to create consciousnesses out of nothing.

[ebon badge]

I was thinking it's possible someone's consciousness could've been transferred into the replicator, considering that it acts sentient and the game does have to do with consciousness transferring

[icy onyx]

So something similar to what happened in Portal's lore (Caroline's conscience being transferred to GLaDOS)

[ebon badge]

yeah, something like that

[oblique lichen]

It's entirely possible then that the merc squad that's being sent in isn't being sent to clear out the dinosaurs, but to get the replicator under control. That makes considerable more sense considering if they wanted to wipe out the dinosaurs they could just destroy the island and be done with it

[strange shell]

Yes, it's extremely unlikely that the mercs have been sent to kill the dinosaurs. If they are to kill anything, it's either the strains or the cannibals.

[muted folio]

What about tribals?

[strange shell]

Well, cannibals and tribals are the same thing, but at different stages of evolution. Like a charmander and a charizard. So I guess if mercs want to get rid of cannibals, they'll have to kill tribals as well.

[swift robin]

Actually Dondi said that the creatures previously referred to as cannibals are not the same creature as "tribals"
When he said "The tribals and the cannibals are the same thing", he was referring to the names.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q

[muted folio]

But what will merc vs tribal matchup be like? It seems like tribals would be very outgunned (literally) not to mention cannibals. Will they prey on mercs and tribals? Or just mercs? So many questions

[ebon badge]

I assume tribal / cannibal gameplay will largely stress stealth and guerrilla tactics to fight mercs

[pseudo shadow]

Likely so

[pine nimbus]

I wonder if crafting will be a thing for tribals. Or if tribals will just start with bows or spears.

[dark grove]

So we all know that humans are in the isle right? well I decided to REALLY analyze this picture. I found 3 things.
Red: there seem to be some weird things coming out of the top of this bunker/cave thing and it seems to be water leaking? I dont really know about this one
Yellow: There is a human in the yellow which isnt surprising but what is surprising is the way that their position is. they seem to be lying on a car as a raptor attacked but what made them get in that position? also on the leg, the clothes seems to almost be a hasmat suit which ties into the blue.
Blue: in the blue, there is a danger sign and it seems to say EXPOSE and Electrical. Put 2 and 2 together, its probably just some exposed electrical wiring. and of course, there is probably some exposed electrical components down there OR it could be something related to the dinosaurs.
All in all, im just wondering if there are bunkers underneath the maps where humans work OR bunkers underneath regular earth where they were experimenting and a raptor escaped?

[subtle ibex]

it looks more like a wearhouse because at the end its way more lit up but im not sure about that :/

[icy onyx]

the human is a tribal. you can see tribal markings on well what's left of his calve

[river marsh]

I believe don spoke of highways underground for the mercs to use on the old discord a long time ago, but they arent always the safest as can be seen in the pic. And considering how long ago that was its entirely likely to have changed by now.

Could be a tribal was trying to shut down an electrical route that had been abandoned and got zapped, since its clear the raptor was able to eat for some time undisturbed and is calling out- likely to a pack it hears coming up the tunnel

[dark grove]

oh, true 0-0

[versed plover]

military tunnel! i got it!

like a storage garrage type thing from the military

[rose light]

It looks like a containment thing to me. the big doors at the end means that whatever was put in was big but unfortunately something else got in and wrecked the place. maybe the utah is just picking of any stragglers

notice how the utah has very little to no scars. he did not see battle in there. if it was truly a military base then it would have been well guarded. that utah would have to have had a big fight to get where it is now. and with technology it should have very noticeable wounds or juts simply be dead

[strange shell]

It can be a military base, it's obviously abandoned, like every structure on the island
So it's highly unlikely that it has been guarded

[rose light]

if it was truly abandoned then what about the lights. yes the body is tribal but thatdoesnt explain why people would still run electricty there. i think government needed to keep power there for some big reason of importance

[strange shell]

Lights can still be on though it's abandoned, from what we know AE has got pretty strong hardware (they got computers covered in plants but still functioning), and there's also the replicator controlling the island

[lavish gyro]

i don't think there is enough visible foundation for it to be an underground bunker. the shape, and the lighting all points to it being a warehouse

[rose light]

if that is the case we all know that hardware recquires power. some generators can last along time. but not endlessly. so where is all the power coming from. could it be the island itself?. I was about to say what if the island is man made but the tribal people rule that out but what if the island itself has an abundance of resources. so instead of trying to keep something in they are actually tryingto take the island. but the tribal people wont allow it. maybe the island has a type of renewable resource that the government is using to keep these buildings powered

[strange shell]

I'm pretty sure the government isn't involved at all. They funded AE's research at most
And as I said, the replicator has godlike powers, and it likely took control over every hackable thing on the Island. Maintaining lights surely is a piece of cake for it

[icy onyx]

The "tribals" so to speak are created by the replicator

[rose light]

you have a point. then why did they backout? why is all these places abandoned? if AE had this advanced technology then what drove them out? I don't see why they would leave the island like that.with their tech they shouldn't have an issue taking the island. but something is scaring them. could it be something AE created? or something more closer to a natural phenomenon

[strange shell]

The Replicator

[rose light]

So do you thing that when the humans come out in the game none of them will be actual humans but instead replicas? Born and programmed to follow the same path as the originals?

[strange shell]

Depends. Tribals are replicated beings for sure, maybe mercs will be too, but that doesn't mean they are programmed to follow a precise path.

[rose light]

what i mean to say is that the path of the originals is us. we players are the originals creating the replicas path

[strange shell]

Players are minds forcefully implanted inside of dinos
I think if they're playing mercs it's the same thing, they get forcefully resurrected over and over

[versed plover]

a LARGER carnovore killed everything probly and also the utah is calling pack mates

[rose light]

I see. Now I am curious as to what though. We can tell it wasnt a rex due to very small amount of damage to the structure. But something managed to break the door I wanna say it could have either been a carno or perhaps a triceratops trying to run.

[quiet sorrel]

maybe it was a strain such as a tissoplastic or neuro

[versed plover]

cant see the entire garage so maybe it was a apex.. Carno could have done it tho

Maybe 2 carnos ran in looking for food

[sour tangle]

I feel the tribals are kinda deformed

[grand pier]

yeah just a tiny little bit

[sour tangle]

the eyes

they failed it and maybe were attacked by a hypo or something and AE didint get to finish its incubating which is why they have those deformed eyes

[wraith adder]

tribals are indeed deformed, their nose and mouth have a weird shape too

[rustic halo]

I want them to go full Orc with the tribals

Like recognizable as humanoid but definitely not human

[knotty locust]

Or possibly, the tribals have been affected by years of inbreeding on the island, with each generation getting worse and worse

[sour tangle]

True

[swift robin]

Inbreeding? If Tribals even can breed, you mean. I'm sure replicating over and over isn't very good for the gene pool either. We're basically clones. I would assume Tribals are the same thing - the only reason dinosaurs haven't degraded in horrible ways except utah cough cough is because they can survive in the wild and will nest. We haven't heard of tribals being able to nest.

[white totem]

To be fair, I don't think the devs are particularly interested in confirming that packs of cannibals do the devils tango

[swift robin]

Maybe not, but some method of self-generation could be interesting for the same reasons that dinosaur nesting is interesting.

[loud stag]

I definitely think Tribal "reproduction" has to do with sending people through the replicator to clone in some way. Each generation coming out less and less human with each pass through the replicator, and since it makes life, they worship it.

[icy onyx]

If you spawn in as a dinosaur, does that mean the replicator is cloning you onto the island then?

[swift robin]

Yeah, if you haven't been hatched through natural means.
There was some idea of having players spawn in battle-royale style in a cage that was air-dropped, but I think that may have been scrapped.

Come to think of it, I wonder what the replicator's relationship is with naturally hatched dinosaurs. Our profiles can still access them... is the consciousness being implanted remotely via some means? I'm very curious about this now.

[karmic wraith]

In my opinion such an tribe in order to keep the survival up they need the incest window else they wouldn't have enough baby / death balance to supstain

[strange shell]

Who said tribals were able to mate ? They worship the replicator for a reason.

[quiet sorrel]

Talking about tribals maybe becoming deformed slowly each time they go through the replicator. What if the tribals were mercs who got tempted by some promise of power by the replicator in return for their service and gameplay wise to get tribals u need to be a merc going through the replicator. Would definitely make sense if that were to happen and that maybe preexisting tribals are just either scientists or made from human DNA and the replicator needs fresh samples as in the mercs.

[compact gale]

hey i dont know where to ask this question but it makes sense to me to put it here, how come most of the Therapods that are in The Isle Legacy, and the Utahraptor and Tyrannosaurus Rex in The Isle EVRIMA, lack feathers? Because i know that Pssitacosaurus has its slight plumage at the end of its tail, and our new Hypsilophidon is covered, but why do we not have more feathered dinos? Do you think it would be because of a Jurassic park situation where the mutation made them get rid of feathers?

[strange shell]

Yes they're mutated

[ancient relic]

But what if, the replicator making tribals is still it trying to put humans and dinos together. I mean on the artwork, a side of the face is odd, almost reptilien, and people before said the replicator force people into dinosaure brain. Could it be ... a swap? Sort of? Or some saurian brain into a human body.

[strange shell]

I made a theory once that consciousnesses are swapped between human and dino bodies regularly
And that's what drove tribals mad

[subtle ibex]

wow i just read through the last few days lore theories what the heck who are you nasa like bigbrains?

[ancient relic]

What is strange is if mixing mind affect the body of a human, why would it not be that visible on dinos having human mind? I mean they are not scientificly accurate as dino making us think it is because they are modified. And dinos don't have a visible detail that make us slightly think oh it does seems like there is a human trait here. So, maybe not totally a swap but a mix performed to search for the perfect surviving entity with what the replicator had in hand in the first place?

[strange shell]

If there are dino and human mixes, then they're the mastermind, colossus and reaper. I think the eyeless count too.

[karmic wraith]

Cause the copy able material need to be younger makeing a clone of an old person isn't as effective as a child that has a ability to grow up

[strange shell]

This is not cloning. This is replicating. We're talking about a machine that can bring dinosaurs back to life and give them psychokinetic powers. And it can bring pretty much anything back to life, even a recently dead person.

[karmic wraith]

And what is it with the giant loss numbers such a tribe would have with creatures specially developed for killing? With out any reproduction every society is doomed in a long run even with a replicator

[strange shell]

No, because as I said, the replicator can indefinitely resurrect people. Besides, tribals are much stronger than regular humans, and all dinos are not made for killing. Tribals are perfectly fit for surviving on the island.

[lapis cape]

wait do we even know if tribals are even humans at all? @strange shell exactly! not only are they stronger physically but they have heightened senses. is that evolution or a different genotype completely

[strange shell]

We don't know for sure
They were probably human once, but now they're nothing but creatures of the Isle. According to some theories, the replicator took humans from AE before they left the island and trapped them in a continuous cycle of life and death, modifying them each time they were resurrected, until they became what they are now. Maybe the eyeless were once people too, who were chosen by the Replicator to become perfect killing machines.

[karmic wraith]

That can be caused by an evolutionary adaptation what every organism has since the circumstances are so much diffrent then we have here

[junior crest]

What if, and hear me out on this, the true dinosaurs were the friends we made along the way, think about it

[next raft]

i consider the definition of a human as have something i call a soul that allows free will instead of dna

[shy sonnet]

So by your definition dolphins are humans ? Neat

[safe rapids]

Humans don't have DNA?

[pseudo shadow]

DNA is the only reason we have free will lmao

[pseudo shadow]

Also I'm pretty sure under this definition, humans include: Dolphins, Cephalopods, Corvids, and the other great apes
Though I do consider those species people they definitely aren't human

[next raft]

no not what i said i saw saying what make human humans is a soul and it separates us from animals which dont i doubt the devs are using this definition

[lapis cape]

i have no clu wut u said but sounds pretty legit

[pseudo shadow]

Well, yeah, their point was that Dolphins DO have souls/free will so by your definition, dolphins are people

[icy onyx]

[next raft]

i dont think dolphins have souls

[pseudo shadow]

Depends on your beliefs about souls I guess. Dolphins DO however possess free will and intelligence almost equal to if not equal to that of humans

[paper herald]

Speciesism 😏

[icy onyx]

The soul and mind are not separate. There is the mind only, and other animals do have them (except perhaps those without brains)

[river portal]

We're primates, we just happen to have larger brains.

[next raft]

i think if were gonna continue should move to off topic

[swift robin]

I second that motion.