#isle-lore-theories
remote oyster
acoustic osprey
i love having a bunch of random monitors around AE
flat screens and old CRTs, and a CRT that says 4k
"What time period are you in AE, specifically?"
AE: Yes
fast forge
Kinda like falllout in that way
Somehow retaining 1950's culture into the 2070's
And like, black and white screens along with robots and genetic engineering
acoustic osprey
Kinda like falllout in that way
kinda, yeah
but the problem is that some of it is more advanced tech
and some of it is still pretty 'old'
(with Isle)
just harder with marketplace assets, i suppose, and smaller team
bit of a bummer
I do hope we get an inside of the outside world a bit
at least like pointing to the setting we're in
rather than just 'climate change'
fast forge
I'd like little hints
Enough to stir the imagination, without giving the game away
acoustic osprey
quite so
i'm trying to go through the actual INTRUDER video
it seems that the only time we properly hear INTRUDER's paleo call is at the very end once they play it on the visualisation tech
acoustic osprey
I'd like little hints
Enough to stir the imagination, without giving the game aw...
quite so
like some people say: Lets have the whole timeline Doc made
Sure, makes everything easier
giving the answers to everything
but we know Don doesn't want that
even having someone like me help
The mystery and *finding out + trying to glue things together in lore-craft *is inevitably cooler, more enjoyable and better
acoustic osprey
https://tenor.com/view/briankik-turn-around-hedgehog-mrbond-gif-24320492
https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-cinnabon-gene-takovic-breaking-bad-gif-18604515
the only problem is
having to live through many years of life waiting
remote oyster
Bro the cams bugging, what's happening.......
||Try and guess what is drinking at the water ||
rigid tartan
Bro the cams bugging, what's happening.......
||Try and guess what is drinking a...
Disable DLSS and see if that helps
acoustic osprey
lol
remote oyster
Disable DLSS and see if that helps
Im sorry if this is dumb, but are you giving genuine help or are you playing into it?
knotty locust
Bro the cams bugging, what's happening.......
||Try and guess what is drinking a...
deinosuchus
remote oyster
deinosuchus
❌
remote oyster
deinosuchus but juvenile
❌
It is a herbivore 
knotty locust
❌
It is a herbivore <:TI_Excite:460554663494942720>
dang, i was gonna say deinosuchus but prime elder
acoustic osprey
stegosaur
rigid tartan
I was gonna say Dondi
knotty locust
no whey
tranquil flume
STEGOOOO
remote oyster
rigid tartan
You can see the little white legs and the yellow band juvies get. Then tiny breaks for the back plates
remote oyster
I will wrap up this little preview by saying,
"Predators kill for survival, killers kill for sport"
knotty locust
deinosuchus
remote oyster
deinosuchus
rigid tartan
ALL HAIL BEN!!!
acoustic osprey
yay
sonic notch
Ben created itself through immaculate conception
civic pollen
you know... that i don't know
remote oyster
whoa is that ben
Oh yeah, I forgot I included Ben in there lol
He just a chill guy
civic pollen
I need the lore behind ben
i think there is ben lore. and that ben is also technically canon. but i'll have to look at the [REDACTED] document.
fast forge
Ben created itself through immaculate conception
Reverse Parthenogenesis
tranquil flume
That’s hilarious
fast forge
Ben is like those asexual aphids that are born pregnant
acoustic osprey
Who created ben lol?
EyeSeeYou 😔 made the original photo
but Snare made the Ben Edit
for a long time though, people thought Brece made Ben because Brece loved making art of her
basically like saying I made lore because I love talking about it
acoustic osprey
i think there is ben lore. and that ben is also technically canon. but i'll have...
The TANKS
(that is basically it, placed in The TANKS in a vat)
rigid tartan
pigeon, you see.
Permanently exhausted pigeon?
remote oyster
Permanently exhausted pigeon?
rigid tartan
Lol
civic pollen
precisely
tranquil flume
EyeSeeYou 😔 made the original photo
but Snare made the Ben Edit
Ahhh ok
fast forge
basically like saying I made lore because I love talking about it
You... didn't make the lore?
acoustic osprey
You... didn't make the lore?
kinda have been imagining if we took the original Tapwing reference for the autopsy tables ... forgot the actual name of it all ... into something more lore related
it'd be kinda interesting if we got a more 'hardcore' ARG/creepy-analog horror-style video on something more horrific
silver sun
The patroll Quest is IT enoght to Go to the foot and kill 2 ki or Players Chat gpt says Always Something Else once He sayed Go to 2 different patroll Zones and Quest is done and now He sayed i have ti Go to Just 1 Zone and make 2 kills ?
frozen totem
silver sun
With Go to the foot i mean the foot Symbol on the radar 😂 once i asked He told me you have to Just visit 2 different patroll Zones (the Symbol with the foots on your Radar) and you get the Point for Prime next time He told me i have to Go to patroll zone and kill 2 ki or Players and i'll get the Point but i already solved this Problem
ionic sable
The patroll Quest is IT enoght to Go to the foot and kill 2 ki or Players Chat ...
Happy new year to you as well.
hexed forge
With Go to the foot i mean the foot Symbol on the radar 😂 once i asked He told ...
We're not sure how to get prime elder
But patrol zones are part of it yes
formal mural
snow jasper
Oh misunderstood, I legit thought of actual tanks XP
If somebody doesnt mod tanks into the isle, i‘ll be sad
snow jasper
You... didn't make the lore?
Correct, I did actually
snow jasper
We're not sure how to get prime elder
But patrol zones are part of it yes
I am very sure
hexed forge
I am very sure
latent grove
<@&933486433342222376>
lethal moat
I wonder if AE used invisible fences, either with chips or collars
Or just like
c4 collars
acoustic osprey
Personally, I do not think so
seeing as AUGUSTUS got quite close to a human facility
But then again
That is also assuming we know how used H4 actually was (assuming it had any human activity as well
It is interesting to note that the Dibble video shows them to be a bit free roam
but a few of them go into The Atrium.
I do wonder if that was directed via something chipped or they naturally just walked right up into it
tulip coral
I wonder if AE used invisible fences, either with chips or collars
Or just like
...
It would make sense for the first generation of dinosaurs to be made to have chips installed, but it would be hard to add chips to all the island’s inhabitants, it’s certainly possible to do it for a couple realistically, like if you catch any you can put a chip in. Something like that. But C4 collar seems excessive, like imagine putting a c4 collar on a hypsi 💀
tulip coral
https://tenor.com/view/shrek-bird-explod-gif-3683672
That scene is so dark, wth
Shrek is a timeless film ngl
silver sun
When i have 3.4 Tons how much Ton do a crokodile need to have to 1 Shot me
strange shell
When i have 3.4 Tons how much Ton do a crokodile need to have to 1 Shot me
nice lore theory
fierce cradle
Island walkers coming?
hexed forge
no
arctic siren
More than just the first 3 seconds. Honestly it is looking really good
acoustic osprey
More than just the first 3 seconds. Honestly it is looking really good
❤️
yikes
I probably went through one of the biggest older Isle Lore rabbit holes
killed me a bit
rigid tartan
<@&933486433342222376>
gaunt dawn
<@&933486433342222376> another one 😭 🥀
Unc
lethal moat
in isle lore i am canonically young and cool
merry zodiac
in isle lore i am canonically young and cool
smoky sapphire
I just watched the Intruder video, and It really made me wan't to try to help imagine how it would feel to hear or rather feel vocalizations of these large animals.
And this video of a fairly small bird compared to humans making these sounds you can already feel upclose or really good sound system. I think it's possible humans could have actual injuries similar to getting stunned by spermwhale clicks underwater.
https://youtu.be/3wB3BKHmxZ4?t=47 timestamped
fresh pulsar
Ya'll want some old-ass footage from my Dev days?
@quartz sundial Bruh, look who commented on that 2nd video 😂
hexed forge
https://youtu.be/xF-2qbBIvvM
On which map was this?
Or was it some random dev map lol
quartz sundial
<@155763854578548736> Bruh, look who commented on that 2nd video 😂
Throwback💀
acoustic osprey
https://youtu.be/xF-2qbBIvvM
🔥
its like the isle lore videos, but basically 10 years old now
ornate comet
found a patch of redwoods terrain outside the dome
nothing crazy just thoght it was funny
acoustic osprey
think its been there for a fair while now
but yeah
when redwoods!!
civic pollen
fast forge
found a patch of redwoods terrain outside the dome
I love oxalis plants 💚
acoustic osprey
civic pollen
change your name to "notthesystemadministrator"
acoustic osprey
change your name to "notthesystemadministrator"
patent ginkgo
found a patch of redwoods terrain outside the dome
fern…
also weird to see reddish ground next to the dark grey dirt
cause old dirt was reddish
wintry yew
The Woodwardia fern
fast forge
The Woodwardia fern
Looks more like a deer fern to me
fathom valve
lethal moat
Isle lore
civic pollen
BEN
fast forge
did ben always have those little secondary arms?
acoustic osprey
no
fast forge
acoustic osprey
it's based off Dekerrexs more 'monsteroid' version of Ben
fast forge
creepy cool addition
acoustic osprey
acoustic osprey
creepy cool addition
quite so
civic pollen
someone is sculpting ben in #isle-fan-art , and she has lots of lil arms
#isle-fan-art message
found it
acoustic osprey
ye
been seeing their wips of it in lorecord from time to time
civic pollen
its so good!!
fast forge
https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/401480390528729091/1459807598013...
with that color it makes me think of that one chicken SCP
acoustic osprey
'chicken' lol
civic pollen
i forgot about that one
zinc wren
what lore this game no longer has lore >.>
lethal moat
what lore this game no longer has lore >.>
zinc wren
add me to that thx
acoustic osprey
the vats 🖐️
i kinda hope they're added to LAB IX
but i suppose it depends on what the purpose is for LAB IX
acoustic osprey
there be lore
but a full fledged out story that we know of? No, nothing of it
nothing of it, maybe once grrm finishes winds...
we have little bits of things
micro-characters with their own little events and the what not
but, i'll be honest
will we ever get the "full picture"
definitely not, at least not till the isle 'finishes'
of the opinion that, whether we may see it good or bad, that Dondi wants there to be holes that we must speculate on
Whether they will be big holes or little
Holes nonetheless that we have to assume/theorise/etc on to try and piece things together
thin vine
i hope at some point we get access to that document
even if it comes from the worst case scenario (cancellation)
acoustic osprey
i hope at some point we get access to that document
even if it comes from the w...
that and probably if something bad happens to Don
-# Which I wish to NEVER happen
thin vine
well the way i worded that makes it sound like i want worst case scenario
moreso id find joy in the worst case scenario specifically if the document comes with
@knotty locust war is over
knotty locust
<@327761922701262849> war is over
has been for a while
criniti disconnected the guy and he got rather mad about it
thin vine
that wasnt a typo but i decided that the joke typing didnt land as hard as i wished it to
acoustic osprey
well the way i worded that makes it sound like i want worst case scenario
mores...
i'm 50/50 on it
Like
It'd be like reading a book ... which is great (of course, just a more document-y style of book knowing how Don said he wrote this new 'timeline/the everything document')
We'd enjoy it a lot though
but it'd certainly be a bummer once we have it
just because it removes the 'lore-y' mystery vibe of it being part of a game
one hand ... everything
on the other ... cool lore media and the mystery of lore itself...
thin vine
i'm 50/50 on it
Like
It'd be like reading a book ... *which is great* (of cours...
this is valid
acoustic osprey
this is valid
the hope is that Don still plans more lore-based events like the first Lore Hunt
and for putting more lore entities/objects into the game 🤞
fierce cradle
whats this ?
acoustic osprey
whats this ?
fierce cradle
BEN
fierce cradle
the hope is that Don still plans more lore-based events like the first Lore Hunt
Lore hunt ?
acoustic osprey
Lore hunt ?
if you want a bit more of a better oversight/discussion, i discuss it more on my second Diabloceratop lore breakdown video
but basically...
its the Lore Hunt (An in-game scavenger hunt)
which revolved around finding a Trail Camera (which was the same TCAM that was hit and fell in the Dibble Video)
Which was indicated to us that it was needing to be found in the videos' description
once we found it, there was a youtube link etched into it
and we got a video out of it, basically
but the video we got had no lore, sadly
however, it being Don's first test of something like that
we were not surprised that it had nothing truly solid as a reward
fierce cradle
ok .... does Don know everything about the lore?
acoustic osprey
ok .... does Don know everything about the lore?
he, per chance, might have written the whole thing
fierce cradle
Pleeeeeassse ask him to add island walkers
acoustic osprey
maybe
fierce cradle
do u know how to contact him ?
acoustic osprey
whenever he is here in chat, basically
frosty root
that and Primordial
What is the primordial?
i know that island walkers are something we know nothing about but ive never heard of the primordial
ornate comet
Hiding in here from the doomers in isle discussion
median shuttle
Same lmao
ornate comet
9:40 am on a Wednesday and we’re acting like this
ornate comet
Imagine a speculative evo project but it’s only the isle roster
(I’m spec evo brainrotted from spending so long on my own spec evo project send help)
fast forge
Imagine a speculative evo project but it’s only the isle roster
I love spec evo stuff, especially after reading Dougal Dixon books as a kid
Too bad those books are so expensive nowadays 
indigo parcel
Who want's to drop theories on Ocean_1.wav and Ocean_2.wav
snow jasper
Who want's to drop theories on Ocean_1.wav and Ocean_2.wav
underwater burger
indigo parcel
I think it could be smth to do with Matriarch
Or maybe a teaser of some aquatic biomes we can get in future
Aka year 2078
ornate comet
I love spec evo stuff, especially after reading Dougal Dixon books as a kid
Spec evo is so cool, I basically started a project on what would happen to Antarctica if it began drifting north east. I have some crocodilian niche seals in this project and I love them dearly
desert mountain
may be a little late for the whole "if we even have the chance to get the whole story" convo. But i would like to add that i would love to get my little hands in anything lore-related in the future that isn't directly tied to the game, A book/novelization would be a dream, but even some official artbook with lore bits and exclusive art-CA content would be wonderful.
We can dream, no? 
Don understands perfectly some core aspects of the original Jurassic Park book tied to Horror and Sci-fi that i never saw any other media even try to develop it properly.
acoustic osprey
may be a little late for the whole "if we even have the chance to get the whole ...
artbook with lore in it ❤️ 😔
also, apparently, we might be getting a vinyl ... potentially. Merch man hinted at it
IF there is anything hidden, i will try my best
easier to do on a disc though, so i hope there is a CD release as well
lethal moat
Dondibux
acoustic osprey
acoustic osprey
finally getting back to writing down some lore videos
kinda hoping i can knock out basically every release isle lore vid
then get to errant-291 by july, hopefully
then maybe this year can finally see the loreberg video
ha
snow jasper
Woohoo!
languid escarp
Nice lightclaw u got this :3
acoustic osprey
Nice lightclaw u got this :3
thank you! Its more of a discussion video to start with this next one
so its a bit more chill then the rest, which i kinda like
plus some technically unreleased ambient isle music, which just makes it all the better!
hopefully
languid escarp
Yes yes it does
acoustic osprey
Yes yes it does
languid escarp
https://tenor.com/view/steve-buscemi-gif-20922935
strong mango
Who want's to drop theories on Ocean_1.wav and Ocean_2.wav
Have you swam around the island? The ocean is so deep in some places you can't even see the light shine down to the bottom.
I've been looking for hidden models ever since the salt mut became a thing. I figured, what would be scarier than a t-posing sea monster where the sun don't shine? No luck yet, and I personally haven't triggered any of the sounds. Not sure if they're actually implemented or not, but I've been in a TSL (Time, species, location) frenzy for a while now. I wonder if the specifics have anything to do with the lore itself.
Has anyone been to the human structure featured in 'Agustus' as a herra?
fast forge
Have you swam around the island? The ocean is so deep in some places you can't e...
The Augustus location never really existed for us in the game
I think when the devs filmed it they were on the first version of gateway, and from what I understand that version of gateway was lost for some reason. This is why old screenshots showed a monorail on the map, but we don't have one now (it is still planned)
Even without the specific human buildings, we had tracked it to a small section of the map in West Access... and then West Access was deleted entirely in the last big update. So unless they add the west access peninsula back into the game, the herrera location is just kinda lost
strong mango
The Augustus location never really existed for us in the game
I think when the ...
It was all a lie 
Didn't someone find a TSL sound bite as a Gali recently?
opaque aspen
Who want's to drop theories on Ocean_1.wav and Ocean_2.wav
Its a mosa for sure
indigo parcel
I want mosa as like a playable
Imagine being deino crossing sea and than a big ahh mosa breaches grabing you and drowning
snow jasper
Imagine being deino crossing sea and than a big ahh mosa breaches grabing you an...
Having playables restricted to specific parts of the map have never worked out for multiplayer games and one gameplay sphere is always lacking
strong mango
Having playables restricted to specific parts of the map have never worked out f...
I believe Dondi mentioned wanting to do an aquatic expansion when all was said and done, but this was years ago. Not terribly long ago however, we were given some aquatic concept art to fill out the beaches and the ocean that we do have. Stuff like kelp forests and reefs and other aquatic structures.
Between that, underground tunnels, and the hidden cave systems now scattered around the isle, it would be fair to say that more underwater passages and aquifers may be considered down the line. Possibly connecting major bodies of water, and at the end of the day, everyone gets thirsty.
The mosa is on a list of *possible NPCs though. So I don't think it's coming any time soon seeing as the devs are still playing with the map and the core behaviors of the dino ai
snow jasper
Improvements to aquatic flora is long overdue
ornate comet
I just want to play on a desert map or a cold map sometimes, official or modded. Doesn’t matter to me
strong mango
Minmi in the desert as a lil sand shark 
serene thorn
Since theres human structures on the island i think that it was something similar to jurassic park where dinosaurs broke out and ate everyone and when you play as a human you come back to investigate what happened.
fast forge
Since theres human structures on the island i think that it was something simila...
That's similar to what we think happened, but it's a bit more complex than that. We've been told multiple times that everything didn't fall in a day, that it was a more gradual process than what happened with JP.
We know there were other human-centric events too - corporate espionage and factions within the company, and even "burning of the library of alexandria" levels of digital information destruction.
We also know that AE was working on much more than dinosaurs. We know their research started with plants before moving on to animals, and they even experimented with human DNA, creating the half-human half-reptilian Generation 1, and the "ideal human body" with their Generation 2.
We've also seen hints that AE was working with digital consciousness (EIP's - Embryo Intelligence Profiles), and even a hint that there may have been "Dino Holy Wars" that broke out after the public learned that AE has functional immortality (although this holy war bit may not be canon, it might just be Dondi messing with us)
Ultimately, we only have some rough ideas of what happened, but it certainly seems more complicated than "dinosaurs broke out after humans did stuff"
serene thorn
That's very interesting
strong mango
I'm very interested in the map boundaries being a massive, for lack of a better term, force feild. I mean, what does it take to power something like that? It's clearly necessary, but with the whole island in the state that it is, what's still running, and where is it?
Some human structures still have their lights on and heli pads blinking away, and the buoys are bright as ever on north lake. It's one thing for an emergency evac to happen and some John forgets to hit the lights on the way out, but that's a crazy power supply long term.
strange shell
I'm very interested in the map boundaries being a massive, for lack of a better ...
I'm pretty sure the map borders aren't canon
fast forge
I'm very interested in the map boundaries being a massive, for lack of a better ...
yeah the force field is not canon
My theory is that EIP's work through radio connections with all the towers on the island. You leave the island > no towers > no brain
wet stream
The Augustus location never really existed for us in the game
I think when the ...
Dude monorail would be so fun
wet stream
I believe Dondi mentioned wanting to do an aquatic expansion when all was said a...
They should make Mosa a special dinosaur where only 2 or 3 people can play it at a time. I think the fact that it would be a special class would make it more fun to play just out of exclusivity alone, sounds fun being a unique rare sea monster yoinking Deino’s out of the water.
fast forge
Dude monorail would be so fun
I asked Don about that specifically, this was his response
wet stream
Of course that probably wouldn’t be enough alone but I would like it better than just being AI
strong mango
They should make Mosa a special dinosaur where only 2 or 3 people can play it at...
I would love if species caps were a server option to be so fr
civic pollen
I asked Don about that specifically, this was his response
🙏 yaaay!
lethal moat
Sup nerds
civic pollen
monorail
proven schooner
Is AE lab IX or is it like a sub of AE
fast forge
Is AE lab IX or is it like a sub of AE
AE - Apollo Engineering - is the genetic engineering company that created all of this stuff. They are a subsidiary of the much larger Apollo company.
Lab IX is just a sign we've seen from early screenshots of a human laboratory complex, and we have no idea if there are other labs on the island. Lab IX is almost certainly just one of the laboratories maintained by AE
proven schooner
ye I knew what AE was I just wondering if it was a rebranding occuring
fast forge
doubtful, probably just one of their labs
lethal moat
ye I knew what AE was I just wondering if it was a rebranding occuring
Lab IX is a building
acoustic osprey
Is AE lab IX or is it like a sub of AE
just, right now, the next big human building coming
has a cool logo on it
so might be under a specific subdivision of scientists under AE
but we no know yet
not until we finally get documents referring to lab stuff
acoustic osprey
The Augustus location never really existed for us in the game
I think when the ...
no
More so, H4 is just a combination of locations taken from different povs
Mostly including the original I12 for a lot of the
Albeit, definitely made during a time when Gateway was not playable for the broader public
However, if H4 truly existed on the ST branch (which was the closed beta with the monorails and Gateway on UE4)
Then, having the devs use different shots from other human locations would be weird
Of course, some (i think it was one or two) of the exterior shots could not be aligned properly with pre-existing places we could
which, likely, taking occams razor, were just areas of pre-existing human outposts ... just that those sections had some alterations on them.
if that makes sense
if anything
I do not believe they had a proper design for H4
but, it did seem like it was potentially going to be made
that area that it matches did have a lot of changes made to it that seemed to want to align
but even then, i should've brought up the areas that match the location that H4 would've been
Which kinda contradicts what i said originally
a bit, with the Occam's razor bit
Isn't it a pain
we have 1:1 shots that match other locations
then shots that match the physical location that H4 should've been in
The Isle!
rough hollow
Strain jumpscare.
rough hollow
https://klipy.com/gifs/see-it-like-final-2
It's come to my attention that spelling and grammar mistakes are present.
These are being rectified.
lethal moat
Yippie!
rough hollow
acoustic osprey
i really hope we get the new glance sheet format as well
from the INTRUDER video
rough hollow
Yesss. That'd be a really nice new basis to go off of for these.
acoustic osprey
mmm
rough hollow
Looks like it has stats for each growth rate.
acoustic osprey
i hope it's not just a redo but just canonically an updated version of the glance sheet format
acoustic osprey
Looks like it has stats for each growth rate.
yeah!
rough hollow
Me too.
rough hollow
Lima congrats on the promo!
Thank you 🙂
tranquil flume
it's really fuzzy. i tried running it through something to clarify the picture and it was all still mostly gibberish
acoustic osprey
yeah
it both comes from a smaller picture
and added on old computer effects
so double harder to read
tranquil flume
huh i wonder if shrinking the image helps
acoustic osprey
tranquil flume
hard to tell what pizel size tho
acoustic osprey
however the effect on the video is definitely the strongest bit
tranquil flume
it's the "x-ray" effect on the lettering that i think is causing the most blurriness
the two color shifts add to the fuzziness
if you combined the magenta and yellow i think you'd have much clearer text
acoustic osprey
mmm
acoustic osprey
wonder if you can try to make the 'colouring' in of it (don't know the technical) more blended in with the background
not sure if that would work
rough hollow
I could try to with curves.
acoustic osprey
but would be interesting
rough hollow
acoustic osprey
that looks nicer / a bit more 'rendered' more naturally
rough hollow
About as much as I can do without it being washed out.
tranquil flume
wonder if you can try to make the 'colouring' in of it (don't know the technical...
shading
acoustic osprey
yay
rough hollow
My personal favourite part so far.
tranquil flume
bless your heart light 😂
acoustic osprey
acoustic osprey
My personal favourite part so far.
does sound cool
rough hollow
fierce cradle
I saw ur vid yesterday @acoustic osprey it was great
And also dreamt of playing as island walker
fast forge
A bit of constructive criticism from someone with a science background:
If in-lore this document was written by a scientist, saying that the specimen "evolved" is incorrect. Unlike in popular media, individual animals don't evolve. An isolated group of animals or a whole species can evolve, but evolution is something that happens to a group of organisms, not an individual.
If you wanted to describe an individual who undergoes bodily change, biologists use the term "morphology" to refer to the shape of an animal.
So for the top right note I might say
Current diagram outdated
Specimen morphology has changed since previous encounter
or if you want to sound even more technical
Specimen has exhibited further morphological change since previous encounter
For the bottom left note, a scientist might describe it a number of ways, depending how technical you want to sound:
Work in progress diagram of changes to specimen's skull
Work in progress diagram of skull morphology changes in specimen
Work in progress diagram of novel morphological changes to skull and dentition
All of that being said, this is science fiction and you have the freedom to use any language you like. I'm sure 99% of people seeing this will know exactly what you mean when you say that it evolved. But coming from my own background in biology, I thought it might help if I mentioned this
rough hollow
A bit of constructive criticism from someone with a science background:
If in-l...
Taking that all into account for tomorrow. If you spot anything else once I've written the notes, throw all the feedback you have at me.
It's the most valuable thing to me.
fast forge
Sure thing 
acoustic osprey
I saw ur vid yesterday <@734274653878747169> it was great
And also dreamt of p...
thank you 🔥
also you're having dragon dreams from A Song of Ice and Fire, but The Isle
formal mural
Hello Lightclaw👋
acoustic osprey
hi daviid!!
slate pewter
Hello Issac
rough hollow
Sure thing <:TI_ParaBaby:688603713618968609>
iron anchor
is it in lore that it mutated or is that just for the sheet
rough hollow
is it in lore that it mutated or is that just for the sheet
Just for the sheet. I believe it's just getting a redesign for Evrima.
Some may recognise the notes at the bottom if you've been around a while.
acoustic osprey
no e for hyperendocrins
it be weird but lore accurate
rough hollow
orchid sky
I think the game is like the avatar movies. That’s my theory. People control dinosaurs in avatar control pods.
civic pollen
ben controls everything from the vats.
river marsh
....zips it
thin vine
teehee wrong chat
ornate comet
ben controls everything from the vats.
rough hollow
ornate comet
Funni tail
hushed frost
Doesn't matriarch outdated?
rough hollow
Doesn't matriarch outdated?
It was never official. I'm making these for fun.
hushed frost
It was never official. I'm making these for fun.
Yea, ty for content anyway
acoustic osprey
Doesn't matriarch outdated?
that artwork of it is off of Tapwing's fan canon of The Matriarch
however, Matriarch is and was still Isle canon
just we basically knew nothing of what it properly was
besides one major user inquiry in Legacy
(and now stuff from Dondi for Evrima)
"User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
|
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name."
remote oyster
I have a W theory, what if the giant sand pits were actually enclosures for Hypos, which is why some of the path ways have torn down fencing n such
proven schooner
or yk any other big dinosaur
tranquil flume
from tap's theory/fan art it reminded me a lot of shin godzilla, and i myself am tempted to make a fan rendition of something similar
acoustic osprey
I have a W theory, what if the giant sand pits were actually enclosures for Hypo...
probably not, probably
remote oyster
probably not, *probably*
hmmmmmmm
then what for 
acoustic osprey
was finding photos, these are the best for now
but
"The Pits", if anything, are likely to be some sort of semi-aquatic tri-enclosure
This is theorised as each enclosure of the tri-enclosure contains a few large pipe sections (the grate-thing ... need to get the right name)
We see these same models (just smaller) around Gateway as well, specifically at water sections of the East Docks
And so if you fill up the sand with water and only have the grass being where land is, there is a lot more water in contrast to land
of course, maybe they typically drain these enclosures so bigger things can dwell?
Maybe! Maybe
I would not be surprised
hence why The Pits are in the state they are in
however, i do hope we get documents/lore on this place
get a proper name and proper details!
acoustic osprey
fierce cradle
matriarch coming ?
acoustic osprey
matriarch coming ?
who knows
acoustic osprey
<@734274653878747169> do u have any image for the island walker ?
(we have nothing of the island walker, visually)
fierce cradle
sadge
acoustic osprey
some believe that the big skeleton on old v3 may have been an island walker or may have been the matriarch
but we never truly knew
slate pewter
was finding photos, these are the best for now
*but*
"The Pits", if anything, a...
What if these are just underwater oxygen wents. This is why they have slits that could be shut
If they modelled what under the slit you could see how these pipes would only put oxygen in the enclosure
Just on a ginormous scale
slate pewter
or maybe there is nothing under that ?
There's nothing under it you can see the ground between the slits
But it could very well be this thing just on a large scale.
An oxygenater went
They are also used in artificial fishing ponds
Look
It would be nice to see them work
Generating bubble column and ripples on the surface giving the pond some artificial water current
What do you think Issac?
hushed frost
that artwork of it is off of Tapwing's fan canon of The Matriarch
I know that fact, but as Reaper some things can change
acoustic osprey
I know that fact, but as Reaper some things can change
more so Tap's art of Matriarch was fan stuff though
where Reapers stuff was basically all canon
acoustic osprey
What do you think Issac?
probably
seems a bit big lol, for multiple
acoustic osprey
was finding photos, these are the best for now
*but*
"The Pits", if anything, a...
drains?
as in, they likely do drain (if not, oxygen)
but what purpose would both do
like why drain? Would they need drains? (of course, the answer could vary)
but if yes, why... Of course to 'drain the water', but to what use?
Must be that these enclosures might be used temporarily at a time?
no idea
i suppose the answers really can vary
slate pewter
Artificial lakes even need drains?
It has locks that flow onto the ocean
My assumption is that they are oxygenaters.
Round slits underwater
Far from the shoreline
And they are placed in the deepest parts of the Western side of the pits
So ideal and necessary infrastructure to have oxygen in a large artificial lakes for semi aquatic
Like Spino Bary or Cherry
But even for Deinosuchus the few that Æ probably had at the start
So this facility is purely a containment facility for semi aquatics
[Why it was drained]
[Who opened the locks]
[Why there are no animal remains inside?]
[Why there are no boat props]
[There was no underwater vegetation]
[Why you can only access this facility through ferry or boat as its not integrated into Island's road network]
What was in the other much smaller enclosure?
hushed frost
more so Tap's art of Matriarch was fan stuff though
where Reapers stuff was bas...
Yeah, exactly
acoustic osprey
What was in the other much smaller enclosure?
which ones?
fast forge
as in, they likely do drain (if not, oxygen)
but what purpose would both do
lik...
Large animal enclosures include drains in the water features because you gotta get in there and clean it periodically.
slate pewter
Large animal enclosures include drains in the water features because you gotta g...
clean it?
It's not a storm drain
why do you want to clean it?
It cleans itself like natural bodies of water
An oxygenator is also not needed if you have a natural oxygen-supplying plant flora in the lake
But if you want to have a lot of fish and animals, you need Oxygenators and filters
These are essential to kick up the oxygen level of the water
If you want prey fish to live in it that can be preyed on by your prehistoric gators and dinosaurs
Pond Aeration and Lake Aeration
fast forge
why do you want to clean it?
In real-life large animal enclosures they generally don't try to keep a stock of fish in the water feature. Instead, cleaning the enclosure is much much more important for keeping disease in check. If you've got a spino or deino in a cage, it's much much easier to farm fish in a tank elsewhere or feed them wild-caught fish.
I even looked into the design of crocodile enclosures - nowhere do they talk about oxygenating the water, but there is an entire section about drainage because cleaning the enclosure is so important
fierce cradle
hi people , lets talk about some lore that are obsecure but will love to be in game
fast forge
They specifically talk about drains being at the lowest point in the enclosure, which is where we see them in-game
Also, larger bodies of water will stay oxygenated through wind action more easily than an aquarium or small pond
slate pewter
In real-life large animal enclosures they generally don't try to keep a stock of...
then why did they build Oxygenators?
fast forge
then why did they build Oxygenators?
huh?
fast forge
That's a drain, not an air stone
It's definitely a drain
Feel free to look through that article I provided - they don't mention oxygenation at all
But drainage is very important
slate pewter
but we have locks that are able to drain the enclosure
Lake drains are like this, they stop the water from overplowing and filling the bank
They are only for the water, not able to flood everything out of their bonnie banks
slate pewter
Even their placement lets me believe they are for aeration and not drains
fast forge
Seriously, look at that article on enclosure construction
fast forge
Lake drains are like this, they stop the water from overplowing and filling the ...
These are built at the level where the surface of the water is at, not the riverbed
slate pewter
but a drain?
you want the water level to stay stable
This is why bathtubs have overflow drains in the side of them
fast forge
but a drain?
No you have a drain at the bottom so you can empty it completely and clean it
fast forge
Lake drains are like this, they stop the water from overplowing and filling the ...
Show me a crocodile enclosure that has one of these
slate pewter
No you have a drain at the bottom so you can empty it completely and clean it
"Aeration for a crocodile enclosure is vital for maintaining high water quality and oxygen levels, with the most suitable system depending on the pond's specific size, shape, and depth. "
fast forge
So is your argument that they just didn't drain it for cleaning at all? Because in that article on crocodile care, cleaning was very important and aeration was not mentioned at all
tranquil flume
Also the water accumulates around the drains like a drain does lol. Hippo enclosure for reference
fast forge
I've had fish tanks that don't need an air stone, but cleaning the tank was critical
slate pewter
Also the water accumulates around the drains like a drain does lol. Hippo enclos...
if they were drains then why aren't they sunkened?
tranquil flume
They are
fast forge
if they were drains then why aren't they sunkened?
They are at the lowest point in the enclosure, wdym
tranquil flume
They have a grate on top
slate pewter
They are at the lowest point in the enclosure, wdym
one of them still has water around it
tranquil flume
Whatever they didnt want to get out was clearly a priority
sonic rampart
one of them still has water around it
Read the text of the post you responded to
slate pewter
They are at the lowest point in the enclosure, wdym
Okay they are drains then what is the purpose of the locks?
fast forge
one of them still has water around it
and there is often still a layer of water in the bottom of a crocodile enclosure when cleaning it
it isn't made to get the space completely dry, but to lower water levels enough to clean all parts of the enclosure
fast forge
Okay they are drains then what is the purpose of the locks?
Animal transport, like what we use for cattle, giraffes, elephants, etc
My local zoo has similar features on large animal enclosures
It looks like a water lock, but it is a staging area for transporting animals
tranquil flume
They look more like gates than locks
fast forge
Or for shifting them between enclosures during cleaning
slate pewter
They look more like gates than locks
do we have a closer picture of them?
fast forge
Like often they will have two enclosures for an animal, and close one of them off for cleaning
In fact that crocodile care guide mentions using multiple pools in this way
slate pewter
Then you would only need to drain a quarter of the enclosure if you want to clean it but what do you want to clean off?
The small islands?
tranquil flume
Why would you keep a dangerous animal out of it’s paddocks for too long?
fast forge
Then you would only need to drain a quarter of the enclosure if you want to clea...
That article specifically mentions cleaning up old food
Also, just changing the water out is often the most important part just for water cleanliness. Anyone who has owned a fish tank knows how important that is
slate pewter
That article specifically mentions cleaning up old food
Also, just changing the...
yes I know I've built fish ponds before
This is why I thought they are aerators that oxygenate the water rather than drainholes
fast forge
yes I know I've built fish ponds before
And that's probably why you think aeration is so important, but this isn't a fish pond, it's a reptile pond
slate pewter
And that's probably why you think aeration is so important, but this isn't a fis...
I always imagined the pits as a stable mini ecosystem that sustains itself
rather than a plain gator farm
patent ginkgo
i wouldn’t think they’re aerators, when you have a body of water that large and shallow, there’s more than enough surface area for adequate aeration (especially if there were aquatic plants before it was drained)
slate pewter
I can imagine that AE put multiple semi-aquatic animals there
slate pewter
https://tenor.com/view/dredd-judge-aldor-lore-i-am-the-lore-gif-22133107
Do you think the pits had multiple prisonrr I mean animals inside?
rough hollow
Do you think the pits had multiple prisonrr I mean animals inside?
They probably had a few.
slate pewter
Like Sucho, Bary, Spino, Deinosuchus, Cherry etc...
rough hollow
Ben included.
slate pewter
Ben is a Dilo without a tail
rough hollow
rough hollow
There he is.
rough hollow
Ben is ben.
slate pewter
God save the Queen
rough hollow
tranquil flume
That’s def not a lock
tranquil flume
It’s a quarantine facility
slate pewter
or sabotage
rough hollow
✨ LORE ✨
slate pewter
something be here sign is missing
tranquil flume
✨the cube✨
slate pewter
or There are no Easter Eggs here, Go away
strong mango
I never thought about it before, but now that I'm seeing it at a bird's-eye this looks EXACTLY like a zoo enclosure. I mean obvi, but I used to work for a zoo right by the ocean, they had several salt water exhibits and they would pump in water straight from the ocean.
It was a hassle when we got like red tide or something but you can shut off half of the system and just have it run through a normal circuit like zoos more inland. The pipes were super elaborate and crazy cool imo, but they were built for pumping fresh salt water in AND as a drain depending on what valves were on or off since some of the animals couldn't just have a pool of stagnant water and needed a current.
And while aeration IS important for crocodiles, I can assure you as someone who worked and lived with both them and their alligator cousins, they do not care. That's not to blow you off or anything, it's actually scary how much they just DON'T CARE and do as they please. + they have beautiful folded lungs that help them stay submerged and get the most out of every breath hold, while they can manipulate their bloodflow to vital organs or, after a big meal, to their stomach. Stimulating digestive juices strong enough to digest the bones of the prey they eat without too much difficulty. That's usually a basking time for them and there isn't a basking area immediately visible in the pit, but we're likely not dealing with modern day crocs and gaters in that encloser anyways.
So, if this IS true, and it very well could not be, but if it is, it is a terrifying implication of a large salt water inhabitant. Possibly the source of oceanwav1 and 2 weren't always freeroaming in the open ocean
ornate comet
Ben included.
I’m finally being included let’s go
slate pewter
I found the true purpose of these metal things that he humans put under their bridges
fast forge
I never thought about it before, but now that I'm seeing it at a bird's-eye this...
I never thought about it before, but now that I'm seeing it at a bird's-eye this looks EXACTLY like a zoo enclosure.
This was my first thought when they were initially added
I'm curious, how many spinos do you think they could keep between these three enclosures?
civic pollen
I’m finally being included let’s go
alright, back into the vats with ye.
slate pewter
> I never thought about it before, but now that I'm seeing it at a bird's-eye th...
Like 4
2 male and 2 female
+all the feeder fish ,I can't imagine Spino would eat dead fish put in by the humans
fast forge
+all the feeder fish ,I can't imagine Spino would eat dead fish put in by the hu...
I figure it would just be similar to feeding crocodilians irl
fast forge
slate pewter
I wish he had sawfish
sturgeons Giant tropical arowanas
but from a lore stand point of view
It would be funny if we had frozen tuna fish crates given to Spino as food
Prison canteen food
Just on top of them Humans watch your every move, even your privacy is compremised
-bad food, constant surveillance, small territory
Open air Spino prison
strong mango
slate pewter
fast forge
Considering we know that they released animals into the wilds of the island, I wonder if these enclosures were used for specific testing
Perhaps they found animals had developed the ability to drink saltwater (Reniculate Kidneys mutation), and wanted to research that
slate pewter
we know that they released animals into the wilds of the island
Why would they do that?
fast forge
we know that they released animals into the wilds of the island
Why would they ...
Because they are simulating an ecosystem, not a zoo
We literally saw them doing it with the diabloceratops video
I made a gif of the tracking data of the animals release into the wild
slate pewter
Then you are making humans working on the Island miserable and dangerous
fast forge
slate pewter
You are only increasing the number of accidents that could happen
Humans kill dinosaurs let that sink in
fast forge
Then you are making humans working on the Island miserable and dangerous
The big fences make some areas human-only, others are large animal enclosures
Nothing was free roaming
slate pewter
The big fences make some areas human-only, others are large animal enclosures
N...
Okay that's better
fast forge
From the way the fences are set up, the exterior of the island seemed to be human area, the interior was divided into multiple giant enclosures
slate pewter
so parts of the Island where fenced off but we only hear about these fences in lore
The Isle has very poor Human infrastructure
fast forge
No, I'm talking about the physical giant fences that we see all over the place, they are most definitely not only in lore
slate pewter
I would not mind if we got some true infrastructure with asphalt roads and deforestation
fast forge
Perhaps they found animals had developed the ability to drink saltwater (Renicul...
Derail aside, I was trying to bring up this topic
Would be interesting to see confirmation of saltwater mutation testing
slate pewter
Just imagine how angry Water bottling companies would be if AE tried to make a pill that allows you to drink salt water
Or not just that but able bad dirty lake water
Just like animals do
fast forge
I could see it used in engineered livestock, greatly helps with water scarcity
slate pewter
Yeah, AE could do a lot of great things for humanity
bioengineering livestock is not one of them
fast forge
They are a genetic engineering company, they want to make money
That would make a lot of money
slate pewter
So then why did they replicate dinosaurs?
fast forge
So then why did they replicate dinosaurs?
slate pewter
Because they can
fast forge
The classic quote from Don is that dinosaurs are "Unfortunate, but necessary"
Our best theory right now for "why dinosaurs" is climate change remediation
We know that AE started with plants. Don has also suggested that climate change may have played a role in the company's choices
So perhaps they engineer plants to survive in a post-climate disaster world. These plants do well - too well due to their genetic engineering - and they need large herbivore browsers to keep plant populations in check.
Because of the hot climate I guess they pick dinosaurs? (This is the flimsiest point of this theory for me)
And then once you've got a bunch of big herbivores it's not a big step to say you want big carnivores to keep that population in check.
Maybe dinosaurs are also more marketable to the consumers (probably nations) that are buying these animals
My thought is that AE was probably providing "packaged ecosystems" to people. Give them a custom-set of plants and animals, engineered to survive in their particular climate
fast forge
Like a themepark?
Not at all
I'm saying, this is a world that has suffered from total climate collapse
Or is in the process of having that happen
Countries are finding that local ecosystems are withering away, and they are desperate for solutions
slate pewter
We exist in it so it's not that bad Saying me how had to shovel 18 inch of snow off his car to get to work Scotland was covered in snow for a week
fast forge
We exist in it so it's not that bad Saying me how had to shovel 18 inch of snow ...
Huh?
We don't know what the outside world is like
slate pewter
We don't know what the outside world is like
I like to think it's a parody of irl world like GTA
fast forge
You cannot assume it is like our own world, which has only just started to feel the effects of climate change
(which causes both hot and cold events btw, it's not that everything gets hotter)
slate pewter
Just imagine if AE would have GTA lore vehicles for instance
slate pewter
You cannot assume it is like our own world, which has only just started to feel ...
Not an exact copy but a parody
slate pewter
You cannot assume it is like our own world, which has only just started to feel ...
Rather places get extreme weather
extreme hot extreme cold just like irl
strong mango
Our best theory right now for "why dinosaurs" is climate change remediation
We ...
I'm very interested in the initial implications of the plants though. Why would you need a walking bush that attacks folks? Screw drones and ghille suits I guess lol.
Metallivores could help in so many practical ways, earth could look like the garbage planet in wall-e for all we know, let alone for military affairs.
And arbor bursts? Could have been the start of reviving entire dead forests, but that seems too... benevolent...
What do you guys think?
fast forge
I'm very interested in the initial implications of the plants though. Why would ...
I think arborburst was an attempt to engineer gigantic and fast-growing plants for carbon capture
We know they also grew "aquatic macroflora", and I think it's for the same purpose
fast forge
I'm very interested in the initial implications of the plants though. Why would ...
I think that similar to plants for climate capture, the metallivore was made to clean up metal waste
The other ones... I'm not so sure
strange shell
I think that similar to plants for climate capture, the metallivore was made to ...
Some may be waste products that were never meant to get out of a test tube
strong mango
Mendys bush virtual execution is gonna be a great afk deterrent, kind of like the immortal snail thing. But I'm wondering if they're going to have specific pathing that doesn't let them leave wooded paths or maybe even delta.
The possibility of seeing a VERY conspicuous bush gliding across an open plain has me giggling
fast forge
I'm very interested in the initial implications of the plants though. Why would ...
I'll be honest, I didn't read the Mendys as having the ability to walk
I thought it just sits there and lures herbivores with the promise of food
strong mango
Holon maybe I'm tripping lemme get the devblog (always subject to future changes lol)
Holy, yeah you're totally right. Serves me right for not reading this devblog at a reasonable hour lol. I have no idea where I got the idea this thing moved around?? Still a fantastic design. Thanks for fact checking me, that could have been confusing down the line lmao
fast forge
Maybe you misread when they talk about the grippers? I could see someone misunderstanding them as little feet
I'm honestly not sure how the mendys came about. My best guess:
Real carnivorous plants are often found in ecosystems with poor nutrition in the soil, so these plants have evolved to break down animals to get that nutrition. Perhaps these mendys plants serve to rehabilitate exhausted groundsoils, capturing nutrients from the plentiful animal life, and returning it to the earth when the plant eventually dies. Maybe even a use in agriculture, for restoring farmland?
strong mango
Hmmm
civic pollen
This is salt water
while it rains/shortly afterwards it is fresh.
slate pewter
while it rains/shortly afterwards it is fresh.
Shezy had to taste it
Stupid reptile
civic pollen
Shezy had to taste it
yeah the pit puddles are finicky in my experience
civic pollen
slate pewter
This metal scrap can only come from the pits it's inside the canal
rough hollow
fierce cradle
If u want to add some of ur own fantasy creature .... What should u guyz add ?
tranquil flume
I have a fun theory for the matriach imma draw up because i've been thinking about and bc why not
acoustic osprey
This radar receiver would be underwater?
Why would it be
slate pewter
Because its inside one of the branch of the canal
acoustic osprey
Because its inside one of the branch of the canal
If anything
The pits were drained for some sort of operation
And thus some equipment were placed there
Heck
Maybe some sort of large dino like a strain of some sort
However, we don't have the strain/ sauropod DTA there ... unless it is planned to be placed there soon
rough hollow
Due to the damage done to the enclosures, I wouldn't put it past being a Strain of some sort.
acoustic osprey
As we don't have the big DTA in game yet
acoustic osprey
Due to the damage done to the enclosures, I wouldn't put it past being a Strain ...
Hmm
True
rough hollow
If the Hyper Fences have been destroyed, those walls are nothing to a Hyper.
I don't see a Neuro or Tisso being strong enough to knock down a wall personally.
acoustic osprey
I don't see a Neuro or Tisso being strong enough to knock down a wall personally...
Unless neuros get a canon blast for that very non-natural hole in the hyper fences lol
slate pewter
If anything
The pits were drained for some sort of operation
And thus some equip...
I won't mind if there was some Æ boat props stranded on ground
rough hollow
hexed forge
15t giga is INSANEEE
But very nice sheet!
rough hollow
15t giga is INSANEEE
But very nice sheet!
I was noting down the stats from Tapwing's old sheet from Legacy. So probably outdated lol
ornate comet
I was noting down the stats from Tapwing's old sheet from Legacy. So probably ou...
I’d guess Giga would be of similar size to Rex ingame
Maybe a few 100kg more?
(Can you make a Shant one?)
<@&933486433342222376>
hexed forge
ornate comet
Yee
tranquil flume
(Can you make a Shant one?)
he's going through pain rn lmao
rough hollow
I'm getting leaked. What is this.
tranquil flume
hahaha
ornate comet
he's going through pain rn lmao
dapper light
what is known about the matriarch someone pls tell im curious
i see multiple desisgns of it, i was under the impression that it was a constantly evolving animal, but then i hear that theres multiple and that only one design is canon?
lethal moat
i see multiple desisgns of it, i was under the impression that it was a constant...
We don't have any canon design, as all the concepts we've seen are unofficial
But in tapwing's concept it is a constantly evolving creature, and there were multiple
lethal moat
what is known about the matriarch someone pls tell im curious
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Pretty much everything confirmed is here
dapper light
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/...
thanks
ornate comet
LARGE LAD
I hope shant can bully trikes
and not just get deleted by a thrash spamming dude
spiral wasp
do we have pictures of a hyper rex skeleton by chance?
tranquil flume
I dont think there is sadly. Need it for armature?
spiral wasp
I dont think there is sadly. Need it for armature?
not necessarily. I want to make a Troodon sitting inside a hyper rex skull like a king lol
tranquil flume
ahhh ok hm
acoustic osprey
not necessarily. I want to make a Troodon sitting inside a hyper rex skull like ...
closest we can get for it
there is a better quality version somewhere from 2020 in announcements
but nothing proper skull-wise
spiral wasp
yeah I've got that already. Guess I'll have to make my own refs
acoustic osprey
yeah, good luck
i don't really remember getting any sort of skeleton stuff for strains
so definitely will have to make your own
(honestly, look at hippo skull. Sick as reference, imo)
spiral wasp
you think the plates (?) below the eyes will show similar in the skull itself?
or any of the armour plates?
acoustic osprey
good question
tranquil flume
i was going to offer a mock up of a normal trex skull against the silhouette of the legacy hyper that i have and you could probably fanagle with that if you'd like
i dont have a forward facing ref tho
spiral wasp
honestly I was just going to trace over a rex skull or the hyper head and go from there lol
tranquil flume
ahhh ok that works too haha
lethal moat
you think the plates (?) below the eyes will show similar in the skull itself?
I think representing it as scales on the ground around the skull might be cool, assuming they’re just bony bits not connected to the skull
knotty locust
I think representing it as scales on the ground around the skull might be cool, ...
might be cartilage of some kind
or rather, cartilage holding it to the skin/flesh
spiral wasp
do we know how big it is exactly?
knotty locust
meaning the armour plates might just disconnect from the skull upon deterioration
acoustic osprey
do we know how big it is exactly?
not officially for Evrima
but would be bigger then Elder Rex
acoustic osprey
what about the old model?
tons of old legacy vids out there
probably best to use that
don't think we got a proper size reference artwork though
can't remember
spiral wasp
would the painting of it holding an offroad car be accurate?
acoustic osprey
would the painting of it holding an offroad car be accurate?
which one
you mean the hyper giga?
tranquil flume
uhhh i have a "fan" rendition of size if you want!
spiral wasp
sure! anything helps
tranquil flume
it's with a person tho lemme get a rex in there rq
acoustic osprey
oh that one
i should have realised, i've tagged all my mp3s with that picture by mistake
you could
its a weird as car though
but you can certainly try and see how it is
spiral wasp
yeah I remembered it wrong, it's been a while since I looked at it
didn't realize it was like a buggy or something lol
welp, to the drawing board/tablet
spiral wasp
ty!
tranquil flume
spiral wasp
this shall be my next project after Ben is done
tranquil flume
Prob a tad inaccurate but that’s my estimate lol
tranquil flume
I mean a jeep isnt small 😂😂
spiral wasp
yeah
tranquil flume
And that is sue, not the evrima rex. Scotty is a bit bigger than sue and looks more like the evrima rex
spiral wasp
that's ok, I just need skeletons
I'm just gonna trace over a rex skull and then add all the fancy bits after, see how it looks and go from there
probably look at a hippo skull for the big chompers
tranquil flume
i wish you luck!!
spiral wasp
💕
acoustic osprey
they should add the jw3 walkie talkie tune with the spinosaur debut
(its my ringtone)
fierce cradle
really ? lol
acoustic osprey
yeah lol
fierce cradle
can we have kig kong in the game?
strange shell
can we have kig kong in the game?
no
hallow rover
you could
its a weird as car though
in all these years of seeing this photo ive never noticed that
now i cant unsee it
ornate comet
tons of old legacy vids out there
probably best to use that
isnt this a beaver video lol
I dont think beaver will ever come back to the isle sadly. Its always fun to revisit old legacy videos tho
gaunt dawn
isnt this a beaver video lol
Looks more like an anthomnia or riot thumbnail
strong mango
Okay, so I just grew a stego hitting every single salt lick across the map, being sure to eat copious amounts of salt at each location, and no secret mutation has appeared to me but it was nice to play steg again so not a total waste lol
How on earth did SALT get to be, well, SALT?
fast forge
Okay, so I just grew a stego hitting every single salt lick across the map, bein...
SALT is based on a real player. The skin pattern was just made in the skin creator. I doubt there's a salt mutation
strong mango
Who was that?
Ah I see it was based on a QA tester. Hell yeah SALT run. It was actually a really fun challenge to be motivated by something other than a migration zone for once tbh
rough hollow
acoustic osprey
btw could u please share if u have the audio file for ur ringtone
i'll see where it is
acoustic osprey
Who was that?
apparently, based off Vivid
acoustic osprey
her!!!
acoustic osprey
acoustic osprey
i really hope this isn't the end of Gateway
just knowing Gateway's importance in both Evrima and, especially, legacy
lethal moat
i really hope this isn't the end of Gateway
acoustic osprey
the last time they were fighting the death of something
GUTS was basically remorphed into just overworld stuff
(of course, we're yet to get them yet. LAB IX!!. But nonetheless...) 🫠
Isle certainly has the guts to make big moves though, so its not impossible
unlike in other games that would die on a hill
wait a minute
@spiral wasp
oh wait, no
spiral wasp
what's up?
acoustic osprey
sorry for ping
thought i had something for you
i remembered this old thing on ae-001
spiral wasp
lol all good
acoustic osprey
exactly
unrealistic but definitely cool
again, sorry for ping
thought i had something there
spiral wasp
I don't mind pings :)
hexed forge
i really hope this isn't the end of Gateway
bro
hexed forge
hexed forge
Theres a chance it was just an exaggeration of his suffering fixing bugs on the map.. but if its not.. well uh..
It'd certainly be something, would be another lore retcon I guess...
Or I suppose you could just keep it in the lore without it being in the game, sure, that's one disappointing way of doing it..
( And so the long cycle of isle maps constantly being trashed every couple months/years goes on, impossible to beat these allegations eh )
low scarab
i really hope this isn't the end of Gateway
🥀might be over for this game
Technical debt is the isle’s curse
proven schooner
Personally I think they're can definitely be a better map then gateway so I would not mind something new
civic pollen
-# what is technical debt?
low scarab
<:cryinng:1142256643875278888>
-# what is technical debt?
The universe saying it’s impossible to make a really cool complicated game unless your extremely intentional with how you build your code
civic pollen
dang
lethal moat
low scarab
Personally I think they're can definitely be a better map then gateway so I woul...
I think we just need a map with a more thoughtful design not trying to say that gateway lacks that but just that I think the game could benefit from having a map that maybe funnels player interactions better and has more engaging and varying areas
And I’m aware gateway has a long way to come
Personally I miss that old leaked map concept for it with all the human building and such all over
Also hi rumple it’s been a hot minute lol
lethal moat
I think we just need a map with a more thoughtful design not trying to say that ...
Inverse of current gateway, domes are prosperous, warm, and tropical, outside is a wasteland
lethal moat
Also hi rumple it’s been a hot minute lol
Yo
low scarab
Inverse of current gateway, domes are prosperous, warm, and tropical, outside is...
Like that
Or even better…
Bring back smth temperate eerie and mountainous like v3 and thenyaw
lethal moat
Give an absolutely monstrously sized atoll with a massive aquatic pen in the center
Behold my artistc genius
civic pollen
you gotta add a lil guy in there
civic pollen
love it.
acoustic osprey
Theres a chance it was just an exaggeration of his suffering fixing bugs on the ...
hopefully exaggeration...
acoustic osprey
Give an absolutely monstrously sized atoll with a massive aquatic pen in the cen...
an atoll would be very interesting
acoustic osprey
Bring back smth temperate eerie and mountainous like v3 and thenyaw
temperate grey...
hexed forge
hopefully exaggeration...
acoustic osprey
yay
remote oyster
I wonder if the trees Dondi teased is another location AE owns
acoustic osprey
I wonder if the trees Dondi teased is another location AE owns <:TI_Dilothink:61...
two places were said
remote oyster
two places were said
So that means one of my theories could be right 
remote oyster
So that could mean they change the dome to be accessible normally
acoustic osprey
So that could mean they change the dome to be accessible *normally*
hopefully
problem is is that we basically have not seen any Atrium development
of course, there was some, like the sewer, but that was a long long while ago
so it shall be interesting to see what happens
unless they scrap the last dome and just place redwoods
remote oyster
unless they scrap the last dome and just place redwoods
What would the giant dome even be for anyway? Contain some Hypo, Canibal, ect
acoustic osprey
What would the giant dome even be for anyway? Contain some Hypo, Canibal, ect
truly limitless possibilities
can be for anything really
'micro' ecosystem
setting up 'scenarios'
generation ones....
testing "X" animal(s) pre-injection
could be anything
from things more realistic to the unrealistic
acoustic osprey
pale marsh
this something official or fan made?
acoustic osprey
very old
pale marsh
ah, im really about how the rex and spino are drawn
rough hollow
Aren't these from Spiro? Or am I misremembering?
wild zinc
This is pre recode iirc
rough hollow
Yeah they seem more tribal, which gives me more Legacy lore vibes. I know there was some form of cave drawings in Spiro at one point.
wild zinc
How different are legacy and evrima lores at this point
rough hollow
Not immensely but different enough.
wild zinc
I know magnas are gone
rough hollow
Yeah, I believe they tied into PC.
wild zinc
Strains are still a thing though
acoustic osprey
Solus...
acoustic osprey
Aren't these from Spiro? Or am I misremembering?
this is all we got from Spiro/Recode
might be one or two more
rough hollow
this is all we got from Spiro/Recode
That's it.
acoustic osprey
but as you can see
there was/is some motifing
especially the Replicator camera as the eye
the red art being this
minus the camera
the white rock painting with the box being a painted camera
likely also being referred to in this old old gen1 cave entrance
with the three boxes in the top middle
having that same box with circle design
(CCTV Camera body with lens)
rough hollow
God I love that cave design.
acoustic osprey
quite so
late legacy's lore art and designs, stuff that came out of it/shown during that era, was just pure peak
and we lack a lot of what was shown because most were from Don clips (thus deleted)
and no one really archived any of it :))
wild zinc
Legacy’s tone and atmosphere is unmatched
acoustic osprey
yeah
it has a really great vibe to it
i love Evrima lore
but the actual visual aspect of Legacy had such a perfect grey atmosphere to it
fitting for the music, lore, vibe, etc
wild zinc
The temperate forests were great for creating a sinister vibe
acoustic osprey
…ae-012
insert the random eyeless structure in the middle of the redwoods area in ae-012
wild zinc
I forget this atrocity is unironically canon
acoustic osprey
I really hope she comes into fruition though... in the TANKS!
vat creatures are a bit cliche, but BEN!
rough hollow
Just had a thought of what the sprouting trees could sound like.
Lemme cook up an example.
acoustic osprey
Just had a thought of what the sprouting trees could sound like.
the arborburst? 👀
acoustic osprey
mmm
wild zinc
About legacy lore, what even were the island walkers ever meant to be
acoustic osprey
i shall listen now!
acoustic osprey
About legacy lore, what even were the island walkers ever meant to be
we had basically no idea
and the one stream that Dondi had gone into them a tiny bit back in 2018
is poofed without anyone archiving it
i wish i was in this channel more back then
but i never really started caring about preserving for quite a while after, till around like 2022
and even then, we kinda assumed Don would keep his stream clips + VODs
but basically
Island Walkers
could have been the big skeleton at V3
Could eat colossus (maybe)
thats it basically
acoustic osprey
got a little close to the tree
acoustic osprey
https://tenor.com/view/snake-drink-thirsty-cute-water-gif-16181446
tasty
nimble fractal
Guys
I have to confess
But
It's better to wait for some more lore to drop, than theorize on a single peace of paper we currently have
(bright ex. errant incident)
Because I feel like there is now 90% headcanon stuff and only 10% true lore
And it all mixed together
quartz sundial
fr
it feels like the lore is up in the air because little of it is actually ingame atm. I'm always wondering how set in stone things are, since they can always be retconned
hallow rover
somewhere on Dondis computer is the lore book of knowledge
i wonder how completely written it all is so far
rough hollow
your stuff is rlly high quality
Thank you. This was.. basically nothing. I just took a clip out of a movie and applied a really basic radio-like effect on it.
frosty root
Thank you. This was.. basically nothing. I just took a clip out of a movie and a...
wow, it still is really cool to see how far even simple things can go if you apply a little bit of imagination
itd be cool to see like a whole long series of lore videos like that
fast forge
I forgot to respond to this initially, but it looks really good!
acoustic osprey
somewhere on Dondis computer is the lore book of knowledge
The timeline
acoustic osprey
If anything
It is finished or almost there
When we first knew about it
Roughly when he started on it
It was Jan 2025 and he had about 65 pages
A few months later
He brought it up on stream and said he had had a lot more done onto it
The hope is that it is finished
hopefully
quartz sundial
when the lore is finished, what will you do next
fresh pulsar
likely *also* being referred to in this old old gen1 cave entrance
I did make like 4 cannibal themes back in the day
acoustic osprey
I did make like 4 cannibal themes back in the day
i need every track you've ever made for Isle to live in true peace and harmony
acoustic osprey
when the lore is finished, what will you do next
reminisce about that one time that retired fella said "when the lore is finished, what will you do next"
probably
acoustic osprey
is bary, yes
tulip coral
actually probs a baryonyx
I think thats a goose
wispy cloak
I think thats a goose
clearly youre the expert
tulip coral
clearly youre the expert
What is a spinodaurid if not a giant murder goose
wispy cloak
tulip coral
wispy cloak
😭
mental thicket
I couldn't find a quetz but i did find a rodent, but maybe i've been looking to long i'm seeing things
acoustic osprey
thank you
hexed forge
I couldn't find a quetz but i did find a rodent, but maybe i've been looking to ...
4 pixels and a dream
glossy prism
I couldn't find a quetz but i did find a rodent, but maybe i've been looking to ...
what is that image in the first place ?
mental thicket
what is that image in the first place ?
This is meant to be the image that dondi said has a hidden quetz in it
ornate comet
This is meant to be the image that dondi said has a hidden quetz in it
Brighten?
lament tulip
This is meant to be the image that dondi said has a hidden quetz in it
I can’t see anything XD
mental thicket
Or someone has fooled me and its not real 🥳 😭
lament tulip
Or someone has fooled me and its not real 🥳 😭
Now I keep searching in this picture for quetz help 😅
mental thicket
Dondi needs to release the original in #isle-phase-three
rough hollow
slate pewter
What am I looking at?
slate pewter
strong mango
Bro imagine seeing a shadow in the sky and booking it for the treeline just to get got by the freaking tree monster 
hexed forge
proven schooner
This is meant to be the image that dondi said has a hidden quetz in it
I see very beak like shape
acoustic osprey
hello old ArborBurst
i kinda forgot (i realised in isle discussion just a bit ago)
that these are the original arborburst designs, from years back
i think, when we got the news about ArborBurst for Evrima, we only really went back on with this one #isle-discussion message
but
yeah
good to know!
spiral wasp
hello old ArborBurst
that is so damn cool wow
and HUGE
good luck trying to render that lmao
acoustic osprey
good luck trying to render that lmao
lol
fast forge
That other image is pretty clearly a redwood
acoustic osprey
agreed
hopefully we are still on track to see more ArborBurst plants like that big fella
but of course, for Evrima
i presume arborburst redwoods will likely be first and only for quite a while
likely being put in the Atrium whenever they're made
if Gateway still holds...
granite mist
It makes more sense when people understand the pose. Not sure why lore chat is going over this again. 😂
acoustic osprey
It makes more sense when people understand the pose. Not sure why lore chat is g...
yeah
it ain't even lore
ornate comet
It makes more sense when people understand the pose. Not sure why lore chat is g...
I still cant tell what pose this thing is doing
the perspective is strange
patent ginkgo
Is this an arborburst ceiba/kapok tree?
the base dead tree looks to be the same redwood (just copy pasted) but yeah
storm onyx
It makes more sense when people understand the pose. Not sure why lore chat is g...
what is he doing
hollow marten
What’s that giant dome near swamp and is that where the researchers are?
acoustic osprey
the base dead tree looks to be the same redwood (just copy pasted) but yeah
It is certainly a bit too alien to truly tell
acoustic osprey
What’s that giant dome near swamp and is that where the researchers are?
The atrium
we are yet to know it's purpose, besides well house Redwoods
hollow marten
And the permitter?
acoustic osprey
And the permitter?
original 'datamined' name for it
we just say The Atrium now because its what Don called it a while back
acoustic osprey
no worries!
acoustic osprey
https://youtu.be/YyzbHDTa85s?t=915
interesting legacy fan canon
maiden scaffold
https://youtu.be/YyzbHDTa85s?t=915
interesting legacy fan canon
ornate comet
https://youtu.be/YyzbHDTa85s?t=915
interesting legacy fan canon
I hadn’t looked yet but how many isle haters are in the comments
late helm
https://youtu.be/YyzbHDTa85s?t=915
interesting legacy fan canon
Indominus when she sees Matriarch:
distant oriole
It makes more sense when people understand the pose. Not sure why lore chat is g...
Quetz
late helm
https://tenor.com/view/fyf1-gif-18821894
rough hollow
Indominus when she sees Matriarch:
rough hollow
Thank you
acoustic osprey
Almost gives me og loading screen vibes
just the redacted is a bit wonky with the : :
(I would just black bar, lol)
late helm
real debate would be who would win between this and giga from ark
rough hollow
Almost gives me og loading screen vibes
My favourite part is the hand-written segments. It's as if a higher up has either stolen or forwarding the documents onto someone else with written notes.
acoustic osprey
mmm
slate pewter
How does the 5th limb work?
acoustic osprey
How does the 5th limb work?
becomes its main hands, basically
which turn into wings for sea
acoustic osprey
Fixed it up for you.
nice!
slate pewter
becomes its main hands, basically
which turn into wings for sea
Oh she has 6 limbs
Cool
She can hug you even more 
slate pewter
becomes its main hands, basically
which turn into wings for sea
God save the Queen 
fierce cradle
Have u guyz seen the death screen has some texts on it ?
fierce cradle
becomes its main hands, basically
which turn into wings for sea
This will never come i guess
acoustic osprey
This will never come i guess
well, they do be unofficial !
so technically speaking
acoustic osprey
Have u guyz seen the death screen has some texts on it ?
ye
very old text from 2018 sadly
pseudo lantern
<@&933486433342222376> oh
merry zodiac
real debate would be who would win between this and giga from ark
giga just straight up wins, its so unbelieveably huge
acoustic osprey
just watched Iron Lung and my
watching gameplay
kinda want that terminal
bit of a mix of the user inquiry stream plus and the old legacy loading screens (that had lore info on them)
merry zodiac
just watched Iron Lung and my
watching gameplay
kinda want that terminal
that terminal i think is what makes the game extra extra special about how it approaches lore (bare in mind it didn't start with the terminal, total lore was added later)
No spoilers tho, some people have to wait till its downloadable as its not screened worldwide
acoustic osprey
that terminal i think is what makes the game extra extra special about how it ap...
exactly
it's something i can REALLY imagine having for proper in-game Isle
as we basically had what it has there
but on a live stream
A long long time ago
probably not the way of lore grabbing
as, of course, we have documents we can find and other little things here and there
merry zodiac
yea, and it wouldn't be hard to implement either, a place where you can only do a thing with a specific buttom already exists (just add ui, and interactable terminals around the map)
acoustic osprey
but just to add onto to it would be sick
especially once we learn more about NEW lore terms
acoustic osprey
yea, and it wouldn't be hard to implement either, a place where you can only do ...
nah, just keep it to the terminal we have at the moment if anything
unless they want that to be in in-game
merry zodiac
i would want it to be
acoustic osprey
would be interesting
merry zodiac
but that only makes sence as humans
acoustic osprey
oh yeah
loring really should be human-done first and foremost
really want to lore as dino?
get the reading mutation
merry zodiac
or only specific mutations that allow the use of that (only available for instance if you have enough entombs)
acoustic osprey
or only specific mutations that allow the use of that (only available for instan...
yeah
something like that would be interesting