isle-lore-theories

[fast forge]

And then the GUTS access route is just the street directions, so to speak
A route through GUTS

[granite ore]

Makes sense

[outer plank]

THE DEINOSUCHUS CREATED THE ISLANDS AND THE HERRERASAURUS…. MADE THE CREATURES

[echo gazelle]

NO, it was a guy

[acoustic osprey]

i like this and don't mind it
definitely a good alternative/theory that i could get behind

only thing is

i am curious on what >> could mean

and some of the marked spaces seem to be double letters

[acoustic osprey]

maybe skip?

[fast forge]

maybe checkpoints?
or just two hallways instead of one

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
i think skip/two hallways (Section, i suppose in GUTS) makes sense

[outer plank]

A DEINOSUCHUS guy

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/just-feels-right-grug-nicolas-cage-the-feels-good-guy-gif-19072983

guy reference!! i think

[echo gazelle]

Yes! A guy caused call this trying to find the AE Class water

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hagrid-you-shouldnt-have-said-that-spiderfelix06-gif-20100440

all because of a guy!!

[hexed forge]

I for some reason doubt its Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

i believe either Gateway or The Atrium

[fast forge]

idk just with the way this game mimics JP in aesthetic
Site B was an entire island, and associated complexes

Site 12 seems like it could be an entire island to me

And they kinda look alike
Site B
Site 12

like a B made with a 1 & a 2...

Actually thinking about the connections with Jurassic Park
Site A is Isla Nublar, the theme park/animal park, the public face of the operation
Site B is Isla Sorna, the prodution facility where the bulk of the dinosaurs were created, and the hidden operations behind the public face

[hexed forge]

Don't forget Site C!!!!

JW Rebirth...

[fast forge]

irrelevant to my point

[hexed forge]

Also you messed it up

yay

[fast forge]

also irrelevant to my point, please

[hexed forge]

I was just mentioning it.. Not countering whatever your point was..

https://tenor.com/view/lovetohatemc-gif-2986135261748701767

[fast forge]

yeah but I didn't want these two blocks of text to be super far away from each other...

If we compare that to The Isle
Gateway seems to be the public face of the operation, with a medley of ecosystems, and a possible visitor center
We know that another island is where the dibbles were bred/created, and probably other animals

[acoustic osprey]

Well maybe

[hexed forge]

Site 12 might be that creation facility,
If the theory with their identification names is correct

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know if it was explicitly off island
Or via a lab and/or biodome

[echo gazelle]

There was always a juggle of what Sites and I's were before, also AE. Older theories suggested AE-012 was the main location hub for Olympus in which other Islands corresponded to example I-04 I-02

[acoustic osprey]

although
Site-12 might be an island

as luncha has referred to above

Site-12 may have been AE-012

[fast forge]

They injected the dibbles into the ecosystem, are you saying they were made on gateway?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
is the whole Gateway a singular ecosystem?

[echo gazelle]

Gateway being a rear connection facility from I-01 and I-02 (old sauce)

[hexed forge]

I mean if it was on-island.
Why would the injection happen on the coast? Especially right on the "Small Docks" area that was planned

[fast forge]

I think there are sections, but they were put into the central section
They never cross any hyper fences (that we know of)

[acoustic osprey]

don't know
but i don't think that makes it mean Dibbles came from another island explicitly

[hexed forge]

It doubts the fact that they were created in a biodome/any lab on the island tho

[acoustic osprey]

how so?

[fast forge]

I was trying to contrast two concepts consecutively, and you broke them up

[acoustic osprey]

do you or I know how injections work?

i don't really think it 'doubts' such
as we don't even know why they would inject anywhere to begin with

[hexed forge]

Let's use The Atrium as an example, why not release them right there? Right outside the Dome.

[acoustic osprey]

The Atrium is shown to be 'unlocked' (to an extent) in the video

there are/could be many other locations around the map
LAB IX is one of nine (or more)

we also had, back then, more biodomes that could and would hold "X" things

as we see one biodome in the Quetz concept art with the drone quetz in a very floral area of the biodome

[hexed forge]

Yes, but that doesnt suggest that they were made in the dome.
Also the theory of one of them being transported in there for some sort of testing is still up in the air imo

[acoustic osprey]

not saying it does, Cerato

neither am i saying "the dome"

[hexed forge]

Then what is your point..?

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know if it was explicitly off island
Or via a lab and/or biodome

[fast forge]

I think there's another island that needs to have a large section for breeding and storage of animals
Typically when biologists are managing ecosystems they have the wild population and then a stable captive population from which you take individuals to put in the wild

[hexed forge]

We are arguing over whether the Dibbles were made on the island or off the island. Using how the injection happened as the primary piece of evidence.

[acoustic osprey]

we also know they helicopter things
like they can helicopter a Rex

[fast forge]

Y'all are so obsessed with the dome...
The dome is just to keep redwoods humid, I swear

[acoustic osprey]

i am not talking specifically about Perm/Atrium

[hexed forge]

Okay but why didn't they put the dibbles in the middle of a random field? If it was by helicopter

[acoustic osprey]

that point helps neither 'made on gateway' or 'off/away from gateway'

why would they start at a beach, full stop?

[fast forge]

That is where the central enclosure meets the ocean, a convenient place to offload them from boats

[acoustic osprey]

however, meets a very inconvenient roadblock
i.e. mountains

[hexed forge]

My point is that,
The dibbles were made on a different island.
And then transported through a relatively "Small" ship that arrived at the "Small Docks" location on gateway, southern point of Swamp, which is where the injection is.
And then eventually released there.

[fast forge]

at the beach?

[acoustic osprey]

that area is further (in terms of practical distance) than it would be at "West Rail Access"

if the plan of the injection is to place them there for ease of movement to/near The Atrium

[hexed forge]

What

[fast forge]

the location along the coast could be decided by ease of shipping mobility through that section of water
reefs, rocks, and currents can make one landing spot better than another

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
then why bring this up?

[fast forge]

The mudflats at west rail probably run off into the ocean at a shallow angle, not deep enough draft for a ship

[acoustic osprey]

would it not be easier to do such at Docks?

[hexed forge]

Why would the planned idea behind the injection be to put them into the Atrium if that was clearly not the case

[acoustic osprey]

a canon and official area

[acoustic osprey]

i am referring to Tiny's point
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

The Injection Area has a planned "Small Docks"

[hexed forge]

Im lost..

[fast forge]

The east docks?

[acoustic osprey]

via a leak
from many years ago

[acoustic osprey]

the only dock we have, yes

[hexed forge]

No lmao

[fast forge]

because that's outside the fence
why not just drop them inside the fence, where the animal enclosure meets the ocean

[acoustic osprey]

no?

[hexed forge]

Isaac we are talking about the Don stream

[acoustic osprey]

the stream where Don put half of the things from the leak

and said (roughly, i cannot remember the full quote)
these things are not real

[hexed forge]

Either way the Small Docks location HAD to be on Dondi's mind while thinking of the Injection Site, it makes sense

[fast forge]

he just cast doubt on it to give us a red herring, why put much time into fake stuff?
he was just messing with us, trying to sow doubt (and he succeeded)

[acoustic osprey]

there are many presumptions that can occur in 'why they should put them in X'
They would likely be caged up, seeing as cages are everywhere
I see no hassle in taking them through GUTS into an environment

or putting them at west rail access if the ease is for 'near The Atrium' as you brought up

[fast forge]

Have you seen how cattle are shipped?

They are not in individual pens

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[acoustic osprey]

then why our cages then

i know you could direct it towards the argument of boat

[fast forge]

You wanna take a dozen dibbles through GUTS?

[acoustic osprey]

but, again, that is taking the route/idea that they were put through Boats

[fast forge]

Movement around the island

[acoustic osprey]

then i see no issue with the idea i brought up

especially if you take it the way i see it
which i still see as a possibility

[fast forge]

Okay okay looking at cattle

Cattle are given individual pens when you want to control the movement of single animals
When you are transporting a group of animals you don't put them in individual pens, that is difficult and wastes time
You push them all onto a section of a barge

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
it doesn't seem very 'effortful'
this is also coming from a time where Dondi started to get really annoyed at people snipping things and saying "OMG DONDI CONFIRM X and Y"

I don't see this as a confirmed red herring

[fast forge]

Why even show us if he didn't want us to know?

[acoustic osprey]

i do not understand then why we have not seen any piece of artwork, 3d or 2d, that contains such

[fast forge]

He didn't have to stream that map

[acoustic osprey]

he was working on the map at the time
he wasn't exploring it

[acoustic osprey]

especially since we know they have tranported a Rex before via Heli

[hexed forge]

If they were made on Gateway, and they were transported via cages through trucks or helicopters and such.
Why???
-Move them to the southern point of swamp, on a sandy beach. Seems like so much unnecessary effort, especially for trucks. But then if it's by Helicopter why not put them in the middle of a field or any other location other than a sandy beach.

[acoustic osprey]

also referred to as a 'transport method'

[fast forge]

yes, he didn't have to stream that day at all, that's my point
he chose to show us that stuff, and if it only takes a single comment to send us off on a false path, he'd do it

[fast forge]

That's a single stego, what aren't you getting about this?
Transporting multiple animals is done differently from single animals

Why have this?

When you could use 20 of these?

[acoustic osprey]

we have nothing yet given about anything more than one
we've never seen anything in-game before over the past 10+ years

i am going off officially given and talked about aspects from Dondi

if we go off "this is how it is done in real life'
then we would have so many little things to worry about

[fast forge]

11 animals

[acoustic osprey]

i could go on a tangent about why the lighting doesn't make any sense

[hexed forge]

Well these are big creatures that would require a lot of power and energy to transport like 20 of them in a single trailer. On trucks.

[acoustic osprey]

and that they're using the wrong bulbs or specific lights to light up an area

and yet, they still use those lights
and i am not bothered by such, as much. But still, very interesting choices

[fast forge]

Hence why they would use a big barge like I was saying
I was not saying they actually use trailers like that

[acoustic osprey]

i do wish to have back the big monorail

[hexed forge]

Yeah I agree.
Ship seems like the most efficient option

[acoustic osprey]

(that is, if they were made off island)

[echo gazelle]

Perhaps relocated profiles aka injhection

noo spelling

[hexed forge]

And I severely doubt there would be a monorail station on a sandy/swampy beach-

[fast forge]

and if you are shipping animals through GUTS, that's just impossible for sauropods
But you could load them all on a boat, then dump that boat on a beach like it's sauropod D-Day

[hexed forge]

If they were made ON THE ISLAND, it is highly unlikely that the injection site would be a beach. Is my point ESPECIALLY on a speculated Small Dock

[acoustic osprey]

ST Gateway actually had its monorail go above there

[acoustic osprey]

why so?
where would you make it then

given there could be many areas they may have made "X"

LAB IX is underground
so would have to interact with GUTS
Atrium has an opening at the top plus GUTS, potentially

[fast forge]

I just think they have a manufacturing island, and a show island
If these ecosystems are a product they are selling, Gateway is the showroom

[acoustic osprey]

i am talking about in terms of transportation
we have nothing of an alternative of how more than one thing is transported — besides the tons of singular cages we have atm

not specifically how many were injected

[fast forge]

More and more I get the feeling that this isn't some John Hammond "I want to make children smile" situation
It's a money-making venture to the core

[hexed forge]

Why would they choose a beach if there are several other greater options if you use a helicopter or even truck, which I doubt so. (The truck)
Those locations being:

• Any grassland with an open space.

Yup that's it-

[fast forge]

^

[acoustic osprey]

why not heli in a dinosaur/dinosaurs from a boat? As an alternative
What benefit does injection have in terms of injecting at a beach

especially at a beach next to a swamp

[fast forge]

Float the dibbles to the island, drop em on the beach, see where they go and what they eat (and what eats them)

[acoustic osprey]

my question, Cerato

Is why the beach?
as well

because we know they did it

[fast forge]

Because boats take less gas to ship animals than a helicopter or plane

[acoustic osprey]

i would like to know what benefit?

[fast forge]

And it's much easier to herd animals onto a boat than a plane

[acoustic osprey]

i don't think they're worried about money on 'gas'
especially when they make mega concrete structures

and can especially put it on their tax deductible, given it would be necessity

[fast forge]

tax deductible?
you think they are paying taxes to anyone for all the stuff on this island?

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
if they pay no tax
good on them
but i doubt they would get away so easily

[fast forge]

They are a company, they will minimize cost wherever able

[acoustic osprey]

sometimes that is done by putting more money on the table

[lethal moat]

You don’t get rich by spending unnecessarily, that, and I’d say they likely knew the dibbles were more suited to the northern portion of the island, and wanted to see what the dibbles did, the southern bit has much less cliffs overall

[acoustic osprey]

some companies get their employees to buy Mercedes or other expensive cars
why? all for the tax deductible

[hexed forge]

1. Putting them on a beach is good to see where they would migrate. Get some migration data going like they did in the Dibble video. What benifit would there be if they just put them in what they think is their preferred environment? What if the Swamp is what they actually like more, rather than a grassland? What if they actually find Highlands more appealing. Migration data is key.

2. They didn't have a choice but to do it through a beach.
   Transporting 11 specimens at once over helicopter takes up too much resources and energy. Especially if it's across islands.
   So here ya go! SHIPS!!!

[acoustic osprey]

it would not be unnecessary if they claim it as tax deductible

[hexed forge]

Just answered it I think

[fast forge]

Why pay extra to fly animals around when you could just retrofit existing transportation mechanisms?

[hexed forge]

Number 1

[fast forge]

Like why not just use the same methods that have been used for decades with cattle?

[acoustic osprey]

why make your employee buy an expensive car rather than just make them take public transport?

you put in more
to get out even more

[fast forge]

So the dibbles get a more relaxing flight?

[hexed forge]

I agree

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know
I am just curious why they would inject at a beach

[fast forge]

because they came from a boat!

[hexed forge]

Especially since they were putting in the effort to engineer Oranges and Cashews in order for them to fit the Dibble's diet. Which only show up in Grasslands.

[acoustic osprey]

it is fair
we do know it is collecting migrational data

[hexed forge]

But then, just incase, what if they like Highlands or Swamps more!!!
Let's see where they shall go-

[hexed forge]

(They end up migrating over to Britian)

[acoustic osprey]

rule britannia

[hexed forge]

yay

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-movie-mike-schmidt-its-nice-that-we-can-finally-agree-about-something-agree-josh-hutcherson-gif-11895529788802931213

[acoustic osprey]

i cannot agree
I only go by what is officially given 😔 sorry

this is isle lore facts
not isle lore theories

[fast forge]

jeez

[acoustic osprey]

i hate this though
I talked about something similar a few days ago

but i HATE all the numbers of Legacy
revolving around islands / Sites (WHATEVER THEY ARE)!!!!!

[hexed forge]

NO

https://tenor.com/view/minion-noo-africa-south-america-potion-gif-22591714

[acoustic osprey]

we have

AE-012 (v3) and AE-001 (another map)
but also AE-12 and AE---

then we also have I-04 (which is paired by AE---)
but then paired with AE-012 (via Olympus Transmitter)
then we also have I-2 and I-1 !?!?!
"gateway/Gateway" being this location (more so just a facility ||building/building complex?||)

We also had V3 emitting morse code that Gateway had a status check failure
so was V3 holding/containing 'gateway' or just trying to use it
how would it try to use it/connect to it?

sometimes i think i 'know'
to some degree
Legacy lore

[hexed forge]

I 1 and I 2 are the local ice cream vendors at Olympus sorry

[acoustic osprey]

but sometimes i just sit and think

the User inquiries contain so much

Legacy lore really needs a proper video to look at it

[hexed forge]

What if Gateway was the gateway to the Replicator in Legacy?

[acoustic osprey]

EIP singular?

[hexed forge]

My wording sounds off but uhh, yes. Like
Gateway, protecting the Replicator

Securing it

[acoustic osprey]

likely, potentially

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-that-good-job-thumbs-up-point-thumbs-up-point-gif-4523914375665682426

Do it

A video overlooking Legacy

[acoustic osprey]

we did know that EIPs (Profiles) submitted info to the replicator

[echo gazelle]

I reiterate this
#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

we are given things that are no longer going to come
like PC

we can 're-correct' things that use the same words

but we cannot do anything about ideas/themes that literally have nothing on them since legacy

[acoustic osprey]

AND even then

we would need SO SO MUCH context to fully appreciate or understand if "X" thing from legacy that is now in Evrima has changed or varied from its original version

of course

this is Dons baby
i don't think everything will change — nor a lot a lot

it is still The Isle

but... yeah. It is why it is probably for the better to think about Legacy less

but saying that

knowing legacy's lore can and does help, especially picking up pieces

like understanding the importance, on a very minimal level, of Gateway
can be examined in Legacy

therefore, it is quite likely that Gateway contains a lot of importance still in Evrima

to what degree? pftttt
i don't know

we only have like... officially AUGUSTUS and the File Recovery Video

potentially ERRANT-291 — depending on where it/he was

• Gateway? The Reserve? Another island? Some sort of other place!?!?

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-cat-stupid-orange-kitty-stupid-cat-orange-gif-12394041002490789694

Apologies if any of my previous remarks sounded anything or at all snappy or aggressive in any delight

i am just trying to think in the most "Isle" way via only using what we have than using real world examples

[hexed forge]

why...
they weren't..

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know
just in case

i am a lore lober and islecordian for many many years now... my brain has slightly melted, as you know

i am also in between two languages, and ever more growing
so i have lost the ability to fully appreciate English within its modality

[hexed forge]

😔 Its okay I forgive you then

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-god-one-day-we-will-have-to-answer-to-god-funny-gif-8662698987572797369

[pseudo lantern]

cat

[hexed forge]

True

[acoustic osprey]

alas... we'll have to keep on waiting

no matter how much we talk or squabble
does not change the fact that we must wait

definitely need to start scripting things though

[hexed forge]

Im hoping that we at least get ONE lore video this year..

Take me back to June 2024... the lorehunt was fun..

[acoustic osprey]

i can see one piece of 'heavy' lore coming this year

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-jimmy-mcgill-bob-odenkirk-gene-takavic-fun-and-games-gif-17162957986200943561

[acoustic osprey]

likely not a video, though, in my opinion

unless Seiza has really been cooking

[hexed forge]

hah

Im rewatching Better Call Saul right now lol
While battlefront 2 downloads

[acoustic osprey]

i can imagine a trailer for Rex
with a reference to Shirley and/or Dean

but not a proper lore video
akin to the Augustus morse code stuff. Small

[acoustic osprey]

RAH!!!! nice

[hexed forge]

Oh there MUST be a trailer for Rex.
They need to capitalize off of Rex release as much as possible

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-money-tom-and-jerry-movie-gif-21059368

[hexed forge]

Did we ever bring the morse code thing up to Don lol?

[acoustic osprey]

cannot remember lol

maybe Tiny did
no idea

although
i don't presume Don could comment much on it lol

[hexed forge]

oh god this makes us look like children showing a drawing we made to our parents lmao

"Hey mom look look! Do you like the drawing!?!" As in,

"HEYYY DONDII, Are you proud of us for finding this super super hidden secret easter egg in the trailer?!?!!"

[echo gazelle]

I once thought I was like this as well and would think of this transmission

[acoustic osprey]

who knew olympus transmitter was such a philosophical entity

but it is a pretty nice quote/thinking point

[round belfry]

Will The Islehave a prequel or sequel? (jokes aside)

[acoustic osprey]

RAH!!!!!

[hexed forge]

Storymode...

[acoustic osprey]

Don did say a singleplayer could be easy to do...

[echo gazelle]

Isle 2 Electric Boogaloo

[hexed forge]

We could only hope

[acoustic osprey]

exactly!

[hexed forge]

Matriarch DLC in storymode

[acoustic osprey]

ugh i cannot remember what Don specifically said, Cerato might

something about each island potentially being set in different times on the 'timeline'/'story of the isle'

i say story lightly, of course

[acoustic osprey]

for me

this fits a potential 'sequel/prequel' setting

I can DEFINITELY see the, for example, Hunting Lodge/The Reserve as a prequel
Set in the 'highs of AE'

of course, assuming we know the highs and lows of AE/Apollo
if ever

^ The Reserve being a hunting lodge
like, say, TheHunter games

that is if it would be made

if not
that is going in my head canon and i am making that mod asap (when modding comes)

[hexed forge]

hmmm

I think you are thinking of something along the lines of some Assets not existing at the same time on some islands in-lore.
For example Gateway might've only had Gen2s, Normal Humans, and Dinosaurs. While another island could've had Gen1 and Dinosaurs. etc

[acoustic osprey]

ah, so i am technically right (potentially)
although the context of the quote is a bit different

"No. The game is not 'non-canonical', it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told"

[hexed forge]

I do wonder how the Spiro Rework is going

[acoustic osprey]

if it is still going...

i do presume though
I do not believe Jace is fired?

[hexed forge]

Hope not lol

My personal theory is that they are trying to keep it a secret until the 10th anniversary and then shadow drop it.

[acoustic osprey]

still part of it in 2024

pretty sure his name was brought up in a dblog a few months ago

[acoustic osprey]

would be a dream come true.....

well

my dream would be

UI overhaul
Evrima -> Main branch
Codex II if possible!!! but mostly all the OST properly in-game
And another map

it makes sense that Jace would be working on Map 2
seeing as Don has been working on Gateway

[hexed forge]

It's the morning of December 5th, a saturday with no work to do, and the devs dropped Gen2s, Spiro Rework, Bary/Austro/Kentro on a friday night.

https://tenor.com/view/tears-cry-crying-oh-god-oh-no-gif-11043894

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/theboys-perfect-gif-23821319

and would fit for me 😊
because usually big stuff like that happens when i am at a friends house or at work

that day, i would be preparing to book my Hawaii cruise at my friends house

the whole holiday will be a whole month without isle lore... that'll be a fun time in 2026 lol

[hexed forge]

Oh wow the days are PERFECT

[round belfry]

Do you end your videos or discussions here with "its just a theory, a game theory"?

[acoustic osprey]

i think i would die, potentially both literally and figuratively

i think i end my videos badly
maybe i should end the Loreberg Video with that though

i don't get money anyways due to my crappy post schedule — therefore doesn't give me the 'view time hours' required

[hexed forge]

Perhaps do some YT Shorts

Snippets going over some small topics

[acoustic osprey]

iirc, they are a different threshold
instead of hours
i need 2+ mil views

i just don't think my content is interesting enough for Shorts though

[hexed forge]

Hah,

Isle lore can get that popular right!!!!

[fast forge]

I've been enjoying shorts, I am working on one now

[acoustic osprey]

potentially...

[round belfry]

Do shorts and use the high paced intonation to catch attention from others. May not be fun* but you'l get your views

[acoustic osprey]

feels more like 'video essay' thing

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9EZ_hVb6tMo

[acoustic osprey]

when new video...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-money-tom-and-jerry-movie-gif-21059368

[fast forge]

I've had a bit of a mental block for my lore videos, but they are coming

[acoustic osprey]

i think once The Isle starts to 'focus' more on Lore
as if it was 2018
then maybe i'll start pumping them out more

i was going to do a video on the AE Class Water Tank

but... i don't know if it is cheap or not lol

[acoustic osprey]

😔 yay!!

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

i had it all recorded and the intro done as well

[hexed forge]

Will sound like a madman talking about some texture change on a water tank..

Oh wow you actually recorded it

[fast forge]

I have an outline for both videos, I just need to translate them both into scripts

[acoustic osprey]

i see i see, good luck

[hexed forge]

Isaac you should make another Frog video

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-gif-lego-batman-lego-batman-sad-lego-batman-stare-gif-858557488672142524

[hexed forge]

One of them almost hit 100k views

[hexed forge]

My battlefront download is ruining this video

[acoustic osprey]

😔

ironically, the intro is based off the original battlefront 1

[hexed forge]

Barely loads

[acoustic osprey]

rip

[hexed forge]

oh wow lol

[fast forge]

this is great!

[acoustic osprey]

thanks! wanted to make a little funny for the intro

[echo gazelle]

I recall this but wasn't Don but a transmission, something along the lines of "This is not where you are but where you have been" somethiing something "monoliths" "time"

[acoustic osprey]

OHHHH
I think i remember that quote

let me see if i have it

[fast forge]

made me laugh

[acoustic osprey]

oh wow
me from 2022

This is not the world as it is. This is the world as it was. The untouched land will break apart with monoliths of the past until time catches up with itself.

The unpredictable nature of a profile within the mind of a dinosaur was resolved with an affinity complex. we could not make them do what we wanted, so we convinced them that it was what they wanted.

Chaos is the surest form of control.

Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned.

[echo gazelle]

I only kept a handful of transmissions sadly

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-tongue-out-stare-gif-2589760412605996407

glad it did

it felt like it summed up finding about the water tanks pretty well

[echo gazelle]

Class Water mentioined

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-meme-meme-teen-titans-go-i'm-thirsty-refreshing-gif-4884988514117010502

refreshing!

[echo gazelle]

Ahh that quote reminded me of the Affinity system, darn you old lore

[acoustic osprey]

affinity 😔

[fast forge]

are you familiar with Type I and Type II water used in laboratories?

Just water purity levels, often purified by a system on-site at the lab

[acoustic osprey]

maybe my mother, but me? no

[fast forge]

I dunno if it's relevant in any way...

Type II is pure, Type I is ultrapure (I guess)

[acoustic osprey]

||i don't even know how or why i said my mother - i think i was talking it from malti to english. Ma is just mother, but also means water (old version of saying it)||

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting

would be there a specific scenario one would be used over the other?

[acoustic osprey]

oh, woops, more so
Why would they use Type II

[fast forge]

cheaper, probably

[acoustic osprey]

i see, makes sense

i suppose it helps to put it down
I suppose doing that is always important in all the sciences

[fast forge]

Type II is probably used in greater quantities,

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[lethal moat]

Whats the discussion?

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing at the moment

[granite ore]

Do we know what the two domes other than Atrium are?

[lethal moat]

I thought it was just one now

[acoustic osprey]

Just one other at the moment
We have no idea what it truly is

Not sure and don't believe that East dome will return though

[lethal moat]

I’m hoping for some sort of extreme environment

[hushed cave]

now thats peak gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Woods that are red, perchance?

[lethal moat]

But the smol one

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
we can have "Smallwoods"

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-jesse-breaking-bad-wire-gif-2990102113339743712

[acoustic osprey]

lol

i've come across this again now

[patent ginkgo]

Redwood forest

(Dawn redwood forest)

[acoustic osprey]

woah

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-jimmy-mcgill-bob-odenkirk-gene-takavic-fun-and-games-gif-17162957986200943561

i am interested in how Don wants to convey these

does he want the whole timeline to be produced into a guideline/several guidelines

i know Don likely can't answer such, in most regards or ways, about it

but i do hope Don doesn't overfeed / give too much context

although, i suppose it depends how Don wants to orientate it all

like

I would want something more focused towards an inquisitive nature brought forth from the viewer/audience/gamer
i.e. reading a book, if the first chapter (or page!) doesn't reel in people, then typically that is because you didn't bring your reader into that new world.

It has to contain mystery (not that it has to be a detective piece).
You have to be in the haze and want to read on to, therefore, give these 'questions' (that grow out from reading the story) some answers.

but on the flip side, maybe that isn't what Don wants with Evrima lore - in terms of how it is communicated

maybe there will be mystery. I mean, i suppose you cannot have anything answered.
But maybe he wants it all to be, pretty much, given on 'the platter'
to therefore allow us to build out our own stories and lore- our own alternative-ish stories like Apollo Files

hence why having 'lore guidelines'

in which, i presume the timeline wouldn't be given how it is, more so given out in a lore-ified style
like how the torn stationary from ERRANT-291 is

[lethal moat]

Lore likely isn’t a super high priority atm, as it seems like there’s a bunch going on

[acoustic osprey]

of course

it ain't even an atm thing

but more so just thinking about how Don wants to aim Lore
not specifically develop

[acoustic osprey]

alas!!

hopefully we'll see some underground stuff being done or MAYBE Redwoods in a 'shortish/soonish' time?

i don't doubt that Don has been working on Gateway
Wonder what has been cooked up

i'm guessing, though, by the time Rex is out or by the time HT is done
that the Admin Hub under Volcano will be fully connected plus the rest of the GUTS section in that 'area'

[fast forge]

map stuff seems to be moving very quickly now
lots still to get done, but the progress is nice

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[acoustic osprey]

i honestly cannot wait though
can't believe it is basically 'next'

[acoustic osprey]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/376210/view/498314610455086403
Jace was talked about last in March woohoo

i wonder if Jace is working on GUTS stuff with VisualTech?

or if VisualTech is doing both modelling and placing?

i remember them saying that Vis did the human building foundations
and Jace placed the buildings on it
like K15

i suppose a lot of it (GUTS) is dependent on modelling
rather than level design

like from the sounds of it all
Vis has been doing these

Rather than making all the unique little models that would be part of it

oh, i have to point out

https://gyazo.com/3711fe71bbd325a906f43e2f71e1455b
this here

reminds me of this area
the ceiling to floor window model is definitely the same

[snow jasper]

He is literally copying my entire shtick

This is unacceptable

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-boring-alone-cigarette-renée-french-gif-17278499

[snow jasper]

oh dear

[fast forge]

<@&401466542140817419> <@&933486433342222376>

[acoustic osprey]

do you want 50 dollar
or isle lore...

[low scarab]

Oooo sweet stream gift card <@&933486433342222376>

[acoustic osprey]

i think i want isle LORE!!!

[low scarab]

I would def pay $50 for lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-cat-stupid-orange-kitty-stupid-cat-orange-gif-12394041002490789694

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-money-peanuts-explain-how-homer-gif-15536016

[acoustic osprey]

more!!

<@&933486433342222376>

man
the original one must've got those guys
rip

[hexed forge]

lol

[cerulean flax]

id like the 50 $ thank you

[snow jasper]

sorry, tis all mine

[low scarab]

Dang I missed it

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-cartoon-duck-duck-smoking-duck-smoking-gif-2120601941686256607

[acoustic osprey]

Thanks...

[hallow ruin]

i'd love to hear your opinions on Stage 3 head
as of, a cool thing it might have

i know it has the main/base jaw, and 2 more sets of jaws both up and down, although deformed

also know it has some snake-like tongue

could these jaws move? or could its eye have something unique about it cuz it LOOKS unique
or the holes on its neck

or the metal-looking eyebrow

not to mention the very interesting Orange/Red bumpy things on the length of its body and on its crest

[hallow ruin]

LMAO ITS JUST NOW I REALIZE ITS NOT HOLES

its bumps/spikes like carno
but maybe holes?...

[hexed forge]

Nah those look like Bumps of some form.

[iron anchor]

its weird tho because the black coloring surrounds the thing, which suggests its a hole with either something inside or a protrusion from the inside. you can see this bump above in the picture reflects light up all the way until it reaches the skin

whereas here every single one has black around it

but this is just over analyzing something that probably wasnt looked at

anyways this art isnt official right

[hexed forge]

It isn't official yeah

But to me those still look like Bumps. You can see the reflection of light on them

[iron anchor]

a bump inside a hole?

thats what it looks like to me

[knotty locust]

it’s molting

[iron anchor]

i wish we had a better name than bumphole

[hexed forge]

Ehhh, not so sure about that

[iron anchor]

whats up with the moat then

i dont know the word so moat has to do

[acoustic osprey]

osteoderms

[hexed forge]

Oh yes thats the word

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-woo-yeah-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-woo-time-woo-time-bunny-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-bunny-gif-8457484959688895098

No problem

[hallow ruin]

excuse me?

[hallow ruin]

so uh what did we get at the end
is this a bump, a hole.. or a bump inside a hole?

[iron anchor]

alligator

[acoustic osprey]

osteoderms

[knotty locust]

it’s moulting its skin

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[iron anchor]

mix between this and this?

like a malnutrition osteoderm

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

quite mayhaps

[lethal moat]

It’s skin peels off as it grows

Like a lot of modern reptiles

Is what molting means

[lethal moat]

Wonder if the isle has a Henry Wu equivalent

[acoustic osprey]

Dr.████ █████!!

[lethal moat]

I understand now, thank you sir lightclaw

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-at-your-pleasure-with-pleasure-at-your-service-sure-gif-18470004

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/activating-dark-trooper-the-mandalorian-turning-on-booting-up-gif-22927001

[iron anchor]

reminded me of marcus yu, now i think it would be cool to see his adaptation of the isle

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/it-can-camouflage-indominus-rex-jurassic-world-gif-5072425468082349943

[hallow ruin]

i dont know how this applies here

[hallow ruin]

but you'd say that regarding its thigh/tail or 3rd jaw being so deformed and seem to actually be peeling off

but the bumps/holes? i dont get them

[acoustic osprey]

osteoderms

[hallow ruin]

why do u repeat this single word 😭 i dont even know how

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-cat-stupid-orange-kitty-stupid-cat-orange-gif-12394041002490789694

the bumps are/look like osteoderms

like what Magy has

and many lizards irl

[hallow ruin]

oh might be exactly this? crocodilian type?
not sure what 2nd image means

[acoustic osprey]

both images are of osteoderms

the 2nd is just a fossil

[hallow ruin]

i dont understand the other

I'll do a quick test sculpt

[acoustic osprey]

me too, to be fair

i presume the osteoderms 'go away' prior to proper fossilisation
No idea

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 should have a kill switch, they’re too intelligent and know too much to be free

[hallow ruin]

what a hot take

[hallow ruin]

ill just make something quickly and show if you guys like it and think its accurate

[acoustic osprey]

spicy

it does make me think what are the incentives for Gen2s
in-game and in-lore (if not both)

[lethal moat]

Is it a stipulation under the thousand life contract?

[hallow ruin]

whatchu think?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

[hallow ruin]

isaac what do u think of that

[acoustic osprey]

looks nice!

[hallow ruin]

omg im not gonna spend 5 minutes on every single one of these...

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

ughhh
whats the quote from Dawndi

about the 'contract' or something

i think something about them not leaving?

[lethal moat]

Ctrl f

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose though, what you bring up, isn't about leaving though

not really seeing anything
might have to go through lorecord

but
refound this quote

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-crying-meme-gif-21719496

[hallow ruin]

NOOOOOO

ALL THE LORE SEARCHING
THE 32 MINUTES I WASTED OF MY LIFE WATCHING YOUR VID
its actually useless 😔

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

Don may mean from the quote
that F5 will mean something

but we don't have an official meaning for such

only theories....

[hallow ruin]

this sentence makes no sense

how can it mean but not mean somthing or anything

[acoustic osprey]

won't translate for a while = no known meaning (publicly) yet

from the sounds of it

[frozen totem]

Hey so umh i need a catch up. What virus???

if anyone would care to explain

[acoustic osprey]

hmm
i forgot about this

[frozen totem]

buhr

[acoustic osprey]

but that is the thing
what virus...

Cerato asked "NHJ"
but Don didn't respond it seems

[turbid forge]

Hi any one know how bleed damage work like old system giga do 70 omine 20 and dilo 80 like that

[low scarab]

Slavery? lol

Unpaid labor disposable labor?

[hexed forge]

Well we assume that the EIPs are under contract soo

I think that every single Gen2 has an EIP, seems likely

Not exactly Slavery, working under contract under a certain reward, if any

[iron anchor]

since the fossil has a hole where the osteoderm goes, atleast im guessing thats what it is, im assuming that in the matriarch drawing the osteoderm is sinking into that hole in the fossil

[lethal moat]

Viruses exist to inject DNA i to cells, modified viruses could be incredibly useful in a genetic modification context

[fast forge]

As far as I know, retroviral treatments are the only method of inducing genetic change in a grown organism (i.e. not a tissue culture or embryo). It is largely researched as a method for treating genetic illnesses

[solid nexus]

I'm starving. Is there a code for this, like a one-time thing? help

[fast forge]

nah, starvation is part of the game
I've starved many times

[solid nexus]

:/

[fast forge]

Feels like it's been a thousand...

[solid nexus]

I'm 100% alligator and I don't want to starve to death

[fast forge]

oh deino is one of the most common animals to starve

[solid nexus]

yah

[fast forge]

especially at full grown, you gotta be eating players

[solid nexus]

No one comes, not even a fish

[fast forge]

I do think retroviruses would be the easiest realistic method of explaining strains

[lethal moat]

Put em in “The Vat”™️ and let them soak for awhile

[fast forge]

I never really looked closely at this
#isle-lore-theories message

So the biggest topics are

• Non-AE Factions
• [REDACTED] Growth System
• TOMB
• Entombment
• Lineage Drive
• Lineage Displacement
• Well's Device
• The Replicator
• The Meyer Curve
  (and everything else listed is nested within The Meyer Curve)

For context, this is from don's then-unfinished "official lore document" with "timeline, glossary and definitions, etc."
(and hopefully now-complete because it sounded difficult)

Perhaps "Well's Device" refers to H.G. Well's 'The Time Machine'

And "Lineage Drive" sounds like a hard drive, to me
Although the word drive has many definitions

I understand what The Meyer Curve is, but I cannot for the life of me connect it in a "Research Context" to AE's purview

[lethal moat]

Can you explain what the Meyer Curve is

[fast forge]

So from what I read, back at the time when they were still creating the periodic table of elements they noticed some trends among the elements

[lethal moat]

We can see the non AE factions that we know of listed as well, that being F&V, OTC, and the mysterious EF

[fast forge]

The meyer curve shows those trends

The dots on this curve each represent different elements, and dots in similar locations have similar properties

So all the alkali metals are up top, transition metals in the low curves, etc. (or so I've read I'm no physchem person)

[lethal moat]

Hmmmm

[fast forge]

From what I was reading, Meyer released this curve the same year as another scientist (more famously) created the periodic table, and I guess they matched up very well

But I suppose it kind of says the same thing as the periodic table in that we can categorize the elements because their similar atomic composition leads to similar properties

Which how does that tie into biology? I have no idea

The closest connection is with carbon-based life

[lethal moat]

It might be something completely different

[fast forge]

Life on earth uses carbon as the backbone for organic molecules because it easily forms many connections (a single carbon atom often ends up with four connections)

Long story short, this allows carbon to form long chains and other complex compounds

Some people have used the periodic table to say that life could be created using Silicon instead of carbon, because of their similar atomic chemistry

Sooooo... maybe the dinosaurs are silicon-based life? I have no idea

I know there are xenobiology folks who have worked out some of the fundamental upsides and downsides (mostly downsides?) of silicon-based life. From what I've heard carbon is just easier because it's a more simple element and more common in the universe

[lethal moat]

Carbon likes to be friendly with other elements

[fast forge]

yes under atmospheric conditions it forms bonds easily

[fast forge]

Have we heard of "Lineage Drive" prior to this anywhere?

[lethal moat]

Scour the legacy docs

[fast forge]

Because it is on par in importance with Lineage Displacement, TOMB, and even The Replicator
(At least in needing a larger bullet point in Don's reference. They may have different levels of complexity as concepts)

[torpid roost]

what did we know about TOMB ?

never understood it at all

it was related to eips right?

[lethal moat]

Yep

[low scarab]

lol

[low scarab]

Ah yes the periodic table of lore

[thin vine]

could be how the replicator holds onto the data that allows it to enact the 1000 life contracts

atleast thats how im viewing it so far

[acoustic osprey]

No

[thin vine]

lineage displacement seems to be when you either a) fail the contract or b) violate the terms and conditions ((and then get sent to tartarus))

if "lineage" generally applies to those who are EIP's and going throughout the lives, they'd naturally have to have them on file somewhere

[acoustic osprey]

i know i've said this a few times now
but i find it a good analogy whilst also funny

but i do see Tartarus and, therefore, lineage displacement
as a bit like a Shrek animation Scenario

[fast forge]

I figured Lineage Drive is literally a hard drive that contains a saved EIP

or a similar storage device

[acoustic osprey]

Shrek was initially a form of punishment for animators at DreamWorks. Animators who underperformed on other projects were sent to work on Shrek, a project seen as lower priority and less prestigious. This was jokingly referred to as "being Shreked".

along the lines/idea of this

[acoustic osprey]

sounds quite likely

seeing as these ones seem to be 'quite related'
but still seperate

TOMB being the 'library'

then the next three being different 'important' words/phrases utilised that isn't JUST relating to TOMB*?*
Entombment
Lineage Drive being the Drive (storage system) itself
Lineage Displacement being the Threat (? or akin)

although i find it a bit weird that entombment isn't part of TOMB
could just be a formatting thing that was fixed by Don
or
that entombment isn't just used for TOMB
but still a general phrase, more or less

[acoustic osprey]

maybe, maybe relating to synthesising/creating "creatures", especially from the past?
Would be a very interesting reference to refer to HG Wells

Or, potentially, it is just a device they named after the scientist who invented it
mayhaps

[thin vine]

im so curious to know what "The Experiment" is

cause that frankly seems to be a piece that would make alot of others quickly shift into place

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder and hope that it is done
I presume a good portion of it is trying to define and place 'pre-existing' lore material (words, phrases, systems, etc) that he has already written
just placing them on an internal timeline (THE timeline) plus definitions, etc, for ease of future lore

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[acoustic osprey]

aye
but i am curious if such virus was specifically made on purpose in-lore
or AE tried to reinvent such virus

Especially as it was only a few months after the NHJ stuff
which could be seen as a virus, i suppose?

of course
dondi didn't give context

so which virus/what virus? who knows, woohooo

[fast forge]

yeah I looked back through that conversation, no idea what virus he was talking about

It could be the zombie thing, it could be more general genetic tools used by AE, idk

[thin vine]

AE begins in agriculture
virus effects said agriculture?
transition into more medicinal fields (possibly due to virus?)
???
????
??????
dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

no

began in Botany, sorry

but still, they went into food afterwards so... agriculture!!

[thin vine]

maybe the virus is what got them into the whole food shindig in the first place

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps

[fast forge]

I think they were genetically engineering crops and plants in general
That led to them getting into ecosystem remediation due to anthropogenic climate change (robust natural ecosystems provide benefits to human crops)
Hot-climate ecosystem management took them to dinosaurs

At least, that's all the best guess I have so far

[thin vine]

isaac before i type this up, ae DID go into medicine at some point, right? im not misremembering that?

[fast forge]

another branch, I believe

[acoustic osprey]

we only know, canonically, a subsidiary

Apollo Pharmaceuticals North

[pseudo lantern]

pharmaceuti cal norht

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[thin vine]

wrench in my wall, nevermind then

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-croods-grug-smirk-devious-smile-gif-10241913002663527658

[acoustic osprey]

imagine that

[thin vine]

i know we've talked about AE having a monopoly on resources before, i was starting to wonder if that would have began during the virus.

i mean, up and coming botony company manages to genetically modify plants to become immune to said virus? plants/crops that only they can provide?

which would lead to "well what else can we monopolize? how many issues of humanity can we not only fix, but completely hold power over?"

i held onto that for way too long and lost my train of thought half way through

[frozen totem]

So here, Don says that he had an "end" or "objective" in mind, but more recently he's said that humans won't have a crazily different gameplay loop from dinosaurs. Just 'Survive.'

[acoustic osprey]

it has been a bit weird. Clearly we just don't really know what they want for both Gen2s and 1s... besides two or so pieces of little info

cause i remember quite a few years ago, maybe 4

where he had us vote the ending of 'the story'

[frozen totem]

I just hope we do have some form of 'tasks' or just things we're prompted to do. I mean why else would AE(assumedly) send the gen2s? You would think they want us to do something for them

whether that be collecting data on the wildlife and/or lost files, or even retaking control of the island(s) as an aforementioned "end"

isaac virusposting

[low scarab]

what was the result again?

was it emotionally destroy me?

[frozen totem]

iirc yeah

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[frozen totem]

I hope he doesnt retcon half of it 🙏

[acoustic osprey]

i am trying to find a picture i sent of it
because i voted on it before Don deleted his twitter

[acoustic osprey]

know that quests are not really coming....

i just hope Don situates Gen2s as if a sandbox

[frozen totem]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[acoustic osprey]

like Sea of Thieves, a bit
but way more survival focused
maybe even a bit akin to Sons of the Forest, in terms of survival

[frozen totem]

I wnt AE tasks tho...

[acoustic osprey]

if we don't get true quests/tasks
They STILL NEED to give Gen2s as much as they can do as possible — in terms of 'tools'

[frozen totem]

So kind of 'do what you like, but if you follow these basic objectives/options, you'll be rewarded and further yourself'?

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of SoT
I can easily see Gen2s being placed into the mindset of 'tools not rules'
giving and allowing Gen2s many options

But WHAT options? no idea
i do prefer the idea of Quests/Tasks

but... ultimately... we truly don't know the aim for their gameplay loop
so hard really to think of ideas for such

[frozen totem]

Again, it'd just make sense for us to have some sort of data gathering goals

can't think of many other reasons for AE to send in people on the ground

[frozen totem]

other than "Survive"

[acoustic osprey]

Same

[frozen totem]

plus concept art has shown gen2 photographing dinos

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah... which sounds nice on paper
But needs a lot of support to hold it

[frozen totem]

Well "Survive" is kinda the thing with The Isle of course, but if "Survive" just means aimlessly wander around and try not to die... Nah

[hallow ruin]

JOSEPTH CRAAANE

[frozen totem]

And i think Don knows that. So likely we'll have better things to do

[frozen totem]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1192782117856354388/1201298196182339704/Joseph_What.gif

[hallow ruin]

Lego Jurassic park is y far my favorite game in this whole word

[low scarab]

music was banger

[hallow ruin]

i still have the 2023 lorecord image with u as this guy 😭

[frozen totem]

I only changed my pfp cus my friends all changed theirs' to lego

[hallow ruin]

actually
even tho i watched ALL the franchise movies TWICE in like 5 years

i dont remember it as much as i remember it from the game

its epic man

[frozen totem]

I want to play it again so bad

[hallow ruin]

man
i really still have the PS4 physical version, its what i played

[frozen totem]

same

[hallow ruin]

with bunch a of the first games my dad bought me when i first got my ps4...
just cause 3 is such a goated game too
crash bandicoot trilogy 💔

just cause 4 was also awesome

[snow jasper]

just cause 4 was meh

[frozen totem]

doesn't sound very isle lore to me

[snow jasper]

return to the dead pls

[frozen totem]

❌

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-ill-do-it-gauntlet-gif-13804455

[acoustic osprey]

Of course
And yeah

Just plainly having survival doesn't cut out

Basically what I said
you need foundations

It's not that I don't trust the devs
It is just that we have no idea what they want

[hallow ruin]

the thing about osteoderms was actually easy
all it too was checking the stage before it

also
what do we think about Stage 6 matriarch ability to walk?

i dont get this part at all
is it flying? WAIT is that wings or moss? not sure

[acoustic osprey]

Swim

[hallow ruin]

oh i assume its standing on its two wings just like how a pterosaur would do
maybe the quetz at distance in that specific image hints at the reason of this morph, it ate a quetz

[acoustic osprey]

It can no longer hold itself up properly anymore

All it can do is swim

[hallow ruin]

then how is it there standing on its wings/front limbs

[acoustic osprey]

Barely

Like a dying monster

[hallow ruin]

noted

[pseudo lantern]

looking at the concept, it doesn't seem to have any large limbs except the
"wings"

probably can only crawl

[acoustic osprey]

The waters have gone murky recently, but we’ve been able to keep an eye on it’s location on the ocean depth.
We let it be, till numerous unidentified bodies were reported across the oceans surface and our research ship was able to confirm the current state of the ————-.
The ————- is falling apart.
It’s back split open and thinly scabbed over. It’s shedding flesh, partially formed torsos and growing malformed limbs.
This project’s flaw has become glaringly clear. without some form of genetic off switch, this endless growth is useless. It’s body constantly trying to recreate extremities and internal structures it already has.
Thankfully, there’s a possible fix, but not for this specimen.
No, it is time to retire this ————-.

[pseudo lantern]

i think!

[acoustic osprey]

it mostly swims

[pseudo lantern]

as well as that..........

[acoustic osprey]

dead bodies found in the ocean

(done by the matriarch)

[hallow ruin]

i hope this isnt island walker 💀 i hope stage 6 wasntt big enough to kill it LOL

[acoustic osprey]

what would be island walker?

also, don't forget, this is all Tapwing headcanon
nothing truly of actual Legacy lore

[hallow ruin]

the body down there

[pseudo lantern]

island walker was that big ol skeleton in legacy no?

[hallow ruin]

yeah im saying is stage 6 big enough (in tapwing lore) to be the cause of island walker skeleton in titan lake (in tapwing lore)

[hallow ruin]

yes

[pseudo lantern]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

probably not

[acoustic osprey]

presumably

or the Primordial (?)

or The Matriarch herself (?)

[acoustic osprey]

but who knows!

maybe Dondi wanted such to occur with 'his' Matriarch

[frozen totem]

damn that's baller, proper tlw style

hope it's canon that boats near the islands come across carcasses like that

[torpid roost]

maybe it didnt get killed

something that big wouldnt survive for long

[low scarab]

i think thats it crawling on land on two front limbs dragging its tail (its meant for water) the wings are fins and the stringy stuff are vestigial maldeveloped arms or random limbs

[hybrid hawk]

i think mild bobby sauce created all the dinosaurs,we are meant to worship him but we dont so he gives us unbalanced dinosaurs and unnecessary features.

[hexed forge]

I think so maybe

[acoustic osprey]

those bones are one of the many bodies it killed

[hexed forge]

I think they're referring to the Matriarch not being able to survive very long after reaching a huge size, maybe.
Thats what I would think at least

[acoustic osprey]

mayhaps

but all the above that we talked about upon The Matriarch
Is all given by Tapwing
which seems to showcase a specific specimen going from stage 1 to 6

at least, potentially more than one
like a bunch

but still, nonetheless, we do see (at least one) going from stage 1 to 6

This project’s flaw has become glaringly clear. without some form of genetic off switch, this endless growth is useless. It’s body constantly trying to recreate extremities and internal structures it already has.
Thankfully, there’s a possible fix, but not for this specimen.
No, it is time to retire this ————-.

which, therefore, from the quote
either she died or was killed/put down (somehow?)

[hexed forge]

I do think The Matriarch was a singular specimen

Anyway I'm guessing she was killed somehow, Hyper gun... (JK)

[acoustic osprey]

for Tap, there were a few

[hexed forge]

oh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[acoustic osprey]

It’s been estimated the last 2 matriarchs have reached adult hood and growth should halt from here on out, :REDACTED :thinks otherwise, given the matriarchs draw to semi-aquatic spinosauroidea and crocodilians. Graphing with targets and showing impressive yet worrisome regeneration when one subject lost an arm to a large Deinosuchus.

in legacy lore? There was a reference of it having children
although i'll have to check again

Might be misremembering

[hexed forge]

Interesting

[fast forge]

?

[acoustic osprey]

Tapwing

[grand sigil]

since when was there more than one matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

in Tapwing lore, there were a few subjects

[grand sigil]

but it does """"shapeshift"""", yes?

[acoustic osprey]

INCIDENT REPORT TRANSCRIPT 32: PART 2
“...LEADING UP TO THE COMPOUND ITSELF. UPON REACHING THE STRUCTURE, SPECIMEN (7 LETTERS) BEGAN PACING. WE EXPECTED THE SAME TYPE OF RAGE ONE WOULD EXPECT FROM ANY AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL, BUT IT WAS SUBDUED,FOCUSED, AND CALCULATED. SHE WAS THE MATRIARCH, AND NO ONE WAS TAKING HER OFFSPRING. NOT HERE. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.”

this is the quote i was thinking off

[acoustic osprey]

kinda
from the sounds of it, more like she would 'morph/evolve'

again
all Legacy or unofficial lore

the problem with discussing The Matriarch
is that we have three routes we could go down on

which easily can confuse those who aren't fluent in the conversation
so easy misinfo being spread without realisation
Or just generally just confusing ourselves

[lethal moat]

It grows

[pseudo lantern]

its growth stages mimic that of which it preys on,

i think

[torpid roost]

matriarch?

[hallow ruin]

alright isaac stop accidentally including obscure lore
WHAT IS PRIMORDIAL!!

[hallow ruin]

yeah... i see it now

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-jimmy-mcgill-bob-odenkirk-gene-takavic-fun-and-games-gif-17162957986200943561

that's just it... what is the Primordial...

[acoustic osprey]

the bones are dead things the (stage 6) Matriarch made ||Tapwing lore though||

[hallow ruin]

where did u get the term from?!

[acoustic osprey]

Primordial? Dondi on stream in 2018

[hallow ruin]

any context?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/425153893874401294/fe23c5a7c7c628e763ae85d5e8a52264.png?ex=6835446b&is=6833f2eb&hm=3def2da2d20e3c081bd0964bc3e4a1bd18187e3dead30b66a5e2380d593888b5&

just this...

[hallow ruin]

i assume its islandwalker
i just feel it

[acoustic osprey]

different character

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[acoustic osprey]

this was the same time that islandwalker was named as well

[muted hill]

the primordial, the name alone just sounds like it was one old test or a "first" of some description

[acoustic osprey]

there likely was more context
but the original stream AND clip are gone... and Islecordians didn't really take VODs properly

[hallow ruin]

okay
this is very scary..

[acoustic osprey]

AND a lot of people back then used terrible image storing sites
so they all expired

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[hallow ruin]

storing it on my pc is the best way 😁

[acoustic osprey]

of course!

and posting the image on discord is a lot better... as a lot of people back in lore theories used imgur
so... poof

[torpid roost]

so the titan skeleton at lake in v3 was killed by matriarch?

[pseudo lantern]

Not officially

[torpid roost]

i mean in tawping lore

[pseudo lantern]

this is tapwing's unofficial headcanon

aye, perhaps

[torpid roost]

this looks like monsterverse now lol

[low scarab]

Could be canon could not be we don’t know anymore since she got hired

But technically we can’t consider it canon because nothing is confirmed and she did that as fanart at the time

[hexed forge]

It is just Legacy lore which had a lot of.. interesting.. things that sometimes didn't make sense.
The only lore that shall matter now is Evrima lore !

[grand sigil]

however

[fast forge]

we have monsters

[frozen totem]

wtf

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1205258485445431387/IMG_1332.gif

[low scarab]

my precious

[fast forge]

I made a video featuring your namesake

#isle-discussion message

[brazen cradle]

Metallivore and Mendys

[hexed forge]

Lol

[weak sluice]

Me and my nest of ovis

[torpid roost]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[torpid roost]

relatable

[snow jasper]

praying you move out of the commie bloc 🙏

[ornate comet]

We need more Ben content 🫡

[hallow ruin]

LMAO

[hallow ruin]

what does "headcanon" mean

[pseudo lantern]

GOOGLE

[torpid roost]

cabeza de cañon?

[hexed forge]

What YOU think is actually canon

[hallow ruin]

my internet is so bad

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know
Potentially

[thin vine]

its a belief you personally have about a story/character

for instance i headcanon Cristina from Greys Anatomy as autistic

shes never explicitly stated to be autistic, but gods it was so obvious in the earlier seasons

[acoustic osprey]

hence 'head'
as it is your own 'personal' (in your head/in your mind) canon about how "X" person/character/event/idea occurs or occured

like Disney Headcanon is that the Sequels exist

real canon is Legends 😊

AS GEORGE LUCAS INTENDED

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-nihilus-gif-9255361951414279137

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/swtor-the-old-republic-star-wars-the-old-republic-darth-malgus-swtor-sith-gif-23700474

[acoustic osprey]

😔

[hexed forge]

Wow thanks Im playing BF2 rn

Star Wars conversations everywhere

[outer plank]

The DEINOSUCHUS… made the islands… and the HERRERASAURUS… CREATED THE CREATURES…

[orchid coral]

hi

[lethal moat]

hi

[acoustic osprey]

hi

[bleak gazelle]

hi

[snow jasper]

hi

[hexed forge]

hi

[thin vine]

hi

[zenith frigate]

hi

[valid geyser]

hi

[patent ginkgo]

hi

[pseudo lantern]

hi

[polar bramble]

hi

[median shuttle]

hi

[hoary hinge]

hi

[low scarab]

Hi

[fast forge]

hi

[frigid dragon]

hi

[regal onyx]

HI

[void crest]

hi

[ornate comet]

salutations

[gray edge]

Hi

[young sphinx]

Hi

[hallow ruin]

Hi || @pseudo lantern ||

[random kettle]

hi

[tardy hollow]

hi

[signal anchor]

hi

[uncut shale]

hi

[solar siren]

dinnersuchus

[gaunt dawn]

hi

[viscid nova]

hi

[torpid roost]

i

[rose zinc]

hi

[tardy tinsel]

Hi

[fallen estuary]

hi

[dusk skiff]

hi

[novel cedar]

hi

[violet socket]

hi

[balmy plover]

ih

[atomic gyro]

hi

[dusk bolt]

Hi

[honest plover]

hi

[silent arch]

hi

[supple jolt]

hi

[sour forge]

hi

[hushed cave]

hi

[main dove]

Hi

[hexed forge]

Hi

[hexed forge]

Why must you turn to the dark side Isaac

[acoustic osprey]

i didn't break the chain....!!!

[bold crater]

I wanna know what HADES was >:3

[acoustic osprey]

an entry... sorry 😔

[bold crater]

[acoustic osprey]

but what i would love to know is where was it!!

likely underground

[bold crater]

My guess is somewhere deep!
Because Hades-yeah exactly

[hexed forge]

Volcano

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[acoustic osprey]

i would imagine Poseidon being more there, if anything

him being god of earthquakes

realistically, the god of volcanos was Hephaistos

Poseidon being closest because he was of earthquakes

[hexed forge]

Poseidon is more popularly known as the god of the sea

[acoustic osprey]

yes but also earthquakes

way less than Haides

Poseidon was also the original Haides

back in the Mycenaean period of Greece

[acoustic osprey]

(which is just of the underworld)

although, i do believe Poseidon entry to relate to the water
It would make more sense to have an entry via the volcano and name it after him or (more realistically, after Hephaistos

but
that depends on what location the ERRANT-291 place is

[bold crater]

Was there a Zeus mentioned at all? 😮

[acoustic osprey]

ye

the three brothers had their own "Entries"

going towards Olympus

although Haides shouldn't... lol, if we want to be technical!

[bold crater]

hmm

[hexed forge]

I don't know,
I just like to think of the Volcano as an "Entry to the underworld"

[acoustic osprey]

i re-read this recently though

[acoustic osprey]

this was typically not the case in Greco mythology

[hexed forge]

If we are strictly talking about Gateway,
I feel like Volcano would be the best fit for hades entry

[acoustic osprey]

(about ERRANT-291)

[hexed forge]

Talking about this just makes me think that the three entries are literally just three doors 😔

[acoustic osprey]

i would, more so, say Caves or Tartarus (if underground) or generally somewhere in GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, they likely are

IF the theory that it is in the Atrium is correct

[hexed forge]

And the Volcano is currently known to have a huge cave system 😔
Volcanoes just fit the Hades/underworld theme in my opinion

[hexed forge]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

Zeus Entry / the 'opening/heli-opening?' on The Atrium
Poseidon Entry / coming from the artificial lake
Hades Entry / Underground/below

[hexed forge]

If the Atrium is actually Olympus Central Control which I doubt so

[acoustic osprey]

not is
Containing

like the central pole in The Atrium could be

but seeing as The Atrium is turning into a proper biodome
i doubt it now, to be fair

[acoustic osprey]

Poseidon is still the god of earthquakes
and was the original Haides, hence why he had remains of his old 'job' prior to Hades being made up

realistically, Poseidon would still be closer for the volcano
and Hades for the cave system below it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

[fast forge]

but AE was probably drawing more from pop culture knowledge about greek gods

Like I've never even heard of poseidon as god of the underworld

Even if that was the original myth, AE might opt for the popular version because that's the one that would make immediate sense for people involved

[fast forge]

And in a larger sense, the popular version is better for Dondi in creating this fictional world

[acoustic osprey]

that is because mycenaean greece is rarely ever talked about because of how early it was

[hexed forge]

I agree
(I never heard of Poseidon being God of Earthquakes until I searched it up when Isaac brought it up)

[acoustic osprey]

however, i am talking about the realistics of it

[fast forge]

Yeah my point is that maybe you are wading a bit too far into the weeds on this one

[hexed forge]

I don't think Don would explore greek mythos that deeply imo

[fast forge]

yeah that's my point

[acoustic osprey]

i still acknowledge that they will go the standard route with the entry locations
if based off where they are situated

[acoustic osprey]

not really

Realistically, volcanos were more linked with earthquakes
than the underground

however, Hephaistos was the god of volcanos
due to the heat and lava they brought

where Poseidon would bring earthquakes from below

realistically, it wouldn't be odd to name a place relating to the volcano (not specifically below it)
after Hephaistos

[fast forge]

but that's my point, Don aint making this lore for Mycenaeans

In popular culture if you mention hades, people will think of the biblical hell and fire and brimstone

[acoustic osprey]

the part i refer to, just then, is classical ancient greek mythos

[fast forge]

especially in the western world

[acoustic osprey]

only really going away once the Romans took place as dominate culture of the 'religion'

[snow jasper]

@celest lark

[acoustic osprey]

where Hades (now Pluto) becoming god of caves
originally being of Pan (disputed)

I say disputed because there wasn't really, realistically, a recognised cult or idea that related a single god to caves

alas
I still believe these entrances will take very archaic forms, doubt the realism of such references or not

Hades still has a stronger chance of being in a cave/GUTS
or Tartarus. Which would be cooler imo. But depends on where this place is

Is it referred to the whole of Gateway? The Atrium? Another island? Some place in 'the real world'?
who knows

[acoustic osprey]

Which kinda gets me sad about this
as this is a reference about ERRANT-291

i say i want them (these types of documents the most)
but i forget that they are less important, to the belief of Don, to the overall story

i would / could disagree
by saying that these things can quite effectively create little pieces of an overall puzzle
such a puzzle being big themes and/or ideas

Like ERRANT-291 could very much be an insight and catalyst of the broader issue of Spies, mayhaps
or the begining defective employees (like a Dennis Nedry situation)

BUT
I suppose it would still be not affective in showing the story
As we know these documents are supposed to be only of minor and 'one time' characters

i don't believe this should stop him
but, i do suppose, it is all up to how Dondi wants to aim and portray Evrima lore

sadly, i think this is a conclusion i have gone down quite a few times now. But alas. Not my game, so i am here to enjoy and/or critique what is given

with, hopefully, more things given in the direction that Don takes
giving context (directly or indirectly) to these, for example

[acoustic osprey]

or, if anything, they are just three main 'entry' points to Olympus CC
Seeing as they're the main three brothers of such

thinking about it

although it would be cooler for them three to represent where the entry location is

it could just very much be like naming points
Alpha, Beta and Gamma

[bold crater]

I'd honestly love for a fleshed out book of sorts containing all sorts of bits of lore that, currently, would be normally deemed not important enough. Like for well after the game reaches 1.0.

Though I still think these bits we've seen are friggn' awesome. Gives me SCP vibes.

[acoustic osprey]

like that one gravity falls book

actually, i would not be opposed to if Dondi collaborates with an author to 'bookify' the timeline document he did
that would be pretty sick

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=68376781&is=68361601&hm=d793b00d4c88fd464fd3998ed6bf05b480417f6bb0bcf6cf1886f222a4cb538e&
Lorify it up to give it this feeling

[acoustic osprey]

it would be sick and really awesome
probably a bit unrealistic

but i suppose it would be easier to print a book
than get an author to really make it come to life CORRECTLY

i suppose that is the isle way

[hallow ruin]

guys i need real help

i realized i judged the Matriarch stage-3 to be a mainly Deinonychus for some random reason
are we sure what species it resembles?

Omni/Utah? Velo? Deinon actually?

[hexed forge]

This is all I could find. (Tapwing replying to a comment asking about the Stage 3 form.)

So I guess Utah/Austro

I don't know why it would be Deinonychus tho lol

[acoustic osprey]

i.e. Tetanurae

[hallow ruin]

lol i found a model refernce that has very identical antomy

wait so
stage 3 is a mix of:
allo + austro + raptor

[acoustic osprey]

technically, from Tap, she got more allo-genes in her 2nd stage

as she feeds upon an Allo in stage 1

with stage 2 feeding more upon these

she’s gotten most of her DNA from other animals during her 2nd stage (particularly utah, austro and potentially the magna-raptor)

[hallow ruin]

wait wait hold on
i anatomy/look wise.. what dino's most similar 😔

to stage 2 and 3

cuz yeah it got lots of allo DNA but its very random

[acoustic osprey]

the quote

#isle-lore-theories message

this quote was from when someone asked her about the 3rd stage

[fierce cradle]

What are these redacted pieces isnitnfor evrima ?

[hallow ruin]

so utah, austro and magna raptor (lets ignore magna)

☝️ correct?

[acoustic osprey]

going from what Tap said, yeah

[acoustic osprey]

the whole document is for Evrima
but if you mean if it will be unredacted in the future? quite likely no

[hallow ruin]

sorry if im acting a bit stupid im confused lol, but now i get it

was there anything mentioned on 2nd stage at all tho?

[acoustic osprey]

just checked, nothing

[hallow ruin]

ight no problem ig
thanks

[acoustic osprey]

yay no worries

[hexed forge]

No

Oh well Isaac already helped you

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-dinosaurs-2-walking-with-dinosaurs-2025-walking-with-dinosaurs-wwd-wwd2-gif-8088866514355797210

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-woo-yeah-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-woo-time-woo-time-bunny-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-bunny-gif-8457484959688895098

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/car-vrchat-cat-dancing-cat-dancing-gif-8169505823326659510

[hallow ruin]

okay chat so, i did more testing on the stage 3

and anatomy-wise
i'll still use this Deinonychus as a refernce, why?

• its obviously very similar in the general look
• if you think about it, its the middle ground between omni and austro, so its still very convincing, to me at leasyt

i can notice SOME differences

• matriarch has a thicker neck
• longer stright tail
• bulkier arms (not the wings, but its actual arms)
• the eyebrow crests + middle crest
  and these factors seem to be allosaurus effects, the crest the bulk and all
  stuff like the middle crest and tail seem to be Stage1 triats plus the wings, pterosaur effect too

and comparing that Deinonychus with omniraptor, its way skinnier/leaning towards how skinny isle austro is
and i think this is better, because matriarch was a ptero, and DOES have austro DNA so its not really that fat (also its other arts and general look suggests that)

also im 100% sure its head width is all caused by the abomination of jaws it has, not actual skull

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-cat-stupid-orange-kitty-stupid-cat-orange-gif-12394041002490789694

[hexed forge]

Sorry

[acoustic osprey]

it is ok

[hallow ruin]

im doing stage 2 rn cuz why not 🥰

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hallow ruin]

im taking no rest 🔥

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[snow jasper]

mosquito

[muted hill]

I assume these are just market place assets or this is known but the papers in one of the buildings at west access are from the NHS, the healther service here in the uk

Ok same papers are in the buildings overlooking the delta I think they are just market place stuff

got a few more images just on that slim chance

[snow jasper]

yup, as well as the British Coat of Arms

[fast forge]

probably marketplace, but isaac would know

[muted hill]

I think they are same ones are in 2 buildings on opposite ends of the map