isle-lore-theories

[muted reef]

That

It feels like the aftermath of something

[hexed forge]

Yea

[muted reef]

The music, ambience, sound design, lighting, eeriness (and some nostalgia mixed in) all contribute to that

[lethal moat]

I’ve never played legacy, I can’t really speak on that

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[ionic sable]

All this legacy talk is making me want to rant about why I like it more than Evrima.

[hexed forge]

Do it

[muted reef]

I'm up for opinions

[muted reef]

Looking at one vs the other, theres a clear difference

I don't consider legacy bad. I play an unreleased character on legacy to hype myself up for evrima lmao

[lethal moat]

My largest gripe at the moment is the music

[muted reef]

You misread his comment

[muted reef]

Yeah I made this a bit ago #general-feedback message

[hexed forge]

He isn't specifying lore

[muted reef]

He is saying legacy is better than evrima but you said he's not wrong, and then defied his statement

[hexed forge]

Oh wha

Oh I'm stupid

[ionic sable]

[hexed forge]

Shhh, never happened

No trace of any message

[muted reef]

Dumy

[muted reef]

Anyway preach your lungs out

[lethal moat]

I might give lorecord some homework to do with music

[hexed forge]

Do it

Saw it

[ionic sable]

Hold on gotta make hot chocolate

[lethal moat]

You have good taste

[muted reef]

I already do this stuff irl

[lethal moat]

Should be easy then

[muted reef]

Well making a track...eh. Knowing a good idea of one and if it'll sound good?

[lethal moat]

Less of a track, more of a playlist

As shown by my answers

[hexed forge]

I like the Apollo one

[muted reef]

hang on going offline for a bit

[tranquil imp]

Lore of how Apollo Engineering first formed. And the lore of their goal of why they want these dinosaur specimens.

[hexed forge]

I think I have 2 possible theories on how the Diablos got onto the island in the Diabloceratops Injection video.

1. Transported via large cargo ship to one of the docks that contain a habitation facility, from there they were either moved by helicopter, or small boats. Why do I not think by land vehicle? Well, feels weird that they dropped it off on the coast.

2. The island is mostly abondoned at that time and gen2s are completing special tasks on it. #isle-lore-theories message. And the Diablos were transported onto the island via small boats. Could be helicopter.

[lethal moat]

We don’t have a confirmation for either of those, but we may have gotten close to why dinosaurs once

#isle-lore-theories message

[tranquil imp]

Wdym “we may have gotten close to why dinosaurs once” did you miss spell that.?

[lethal moat]

Nope, just took me a second to find the quote

[tranquil imp]

👍

[lethal moat]

As for the Apollo Engineering, we know that they had either a CEO or a counsel, and then later they swapped from one to another

[hexed forge]

I like the theory that relates that to the Titanomachy

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[hexed forge]

Perhaps the new Apollo council were the ones who started the Gen2 project and tried regaining control of the lost islands.

[lethal moat]

I think it was Counsel, then CEO

[acoustic osprey]

the canon ending apparently is supposed to emotionally destroy you
however that'll be communicated in lore

[low scarab]

yes I remember that

[lethal moat]

Not me, I'm built different

[low scarab]

But I thought don said somewhere IN game you can actually unlock an "ending" of sorts

hope it mentally destroys me too like soma did

[acoustic osprey]

i think youre just referring to the shutting down servers idea

[low scarab]

?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
Cerato posted it as well
but this one

if I was good
I'd do it

but I would 100% love to help if they needed any VO

[hexed forge]

[low scarab]

thats not what im reffering to but its very interesting

makes me hope for a purpose for dinosaurs

a goal that when one character reaches it the server restarts instead of just shutting the official servers down

[hexed forge]

I mean..

[acoustic osprey]

(temp turn off is definitely better than fully turn off - but it would be interesting turning off)

[low scarab]

well I just want a fulfillable goal for dinosaur playthoughs something to aim for instead of just become elder

[hexed forge]

If it takes us YEARS to actually get the ending.. Then maybe turning off official support might be reasonable. Who knows maybe after The Isle is done we got a whole different game that is based around the story. Pre-Incident

[low scarab]

or strain

[low scarab]

ideas, ideas

[scarlet verge]

I'd be ok with a hard reset of all official servers, but whoever did was able to have a permanent unlocked playable dino, like a strained Rex or something

It would be super frustrating for everyone else though, but kind of like a Ready Player One easter egg

[acoustic osprey]

they get highlighted throughout the server
a big red glow to say "I did it!!!"

with a server wide transmission

"USER PRESSED THE BUTTON"

will watch at the end of my lecture

[scarlet verge]

Then the meteor comes just before the wipe

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-in-case-i-dont-see-ya-gif-431648741633306521

[hexed forge]

The Replication process has been halted

When you die. You may not come back as a Dinosaur specimen.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-is-dead-wake-up-shake-gif-16686328

[lethal moat]

Fear not

[robust ether]

I simply won't die

[snow jasper]

fr, what they gonna do when I, a herrera, scales the highest peak in the highlands

its just gg innit

[hexed forge]

Ai turns off

[snow jasper]

easy pickings, everyone who already died

or i'll just log

[robust ether]

Just be a galli and stay away from everything ez ez ggswp

[hexed forge]

Dietary food no longer spawns, insane drought, and volcanic activity emerge

[robust ether]

I'd win

[muted reef]

@lethal moat I am ready to music

Or whatever idea it was you had

[lethal moat]

It's in lorecord

[lethal moat]

Now I have a ton of music to listen to while walking around campus

[rapid chasm]

does any1 have pictures of inside the atrium

[regal sundial]

And then everyone wakes up in their pods like the matrix (or jars like in MGRR)

[lethal moat]

I'm of belief that the original body is gone, so once you're wiped from the database, you're just gone

[regal sundial]

Equally possible

The level of virtualization from what the lore I knew at least several years back is on the same level as like, ARK, or Architects in subnautica

[lethal moat]

I'm not familiar with either of those

But my current understanding of EIPs is a digitized conciousness, that can potentially be transferred or copied into organic bodies

[regal sundial]

Digitization, simulation, and nanotech (particularly fabrication) are all so advanced that so long as the simulation abides by the same rules as the real world something can effectively be freely translated back and forth

Between the simulation and reality

[lethal moat]

Reality can be a simulation

[regal sundial]

Basically yes. AI with unclear directive beyond having something to do with developing and refining organisms, scientists start working on the stuff that makes the strains which is implied to be of alien origin, it gets out, AI either decides to take things into it's own hands, or strains and dinosaurs escaping leads to them all dying/leaving

And then the system just keeps going on automatic from there

With at least digitized(?) test subjects stuck in the AI's loop

It may or may not have also digitized the scientists as well

[lethal moat]

No aliens, but that seems very similar to my understanding of the isle and the replicator, at least how it operates, not necessarily what it does

[regal sundial]

Yep! What isn't clear is whether it is all a simulation, some "Isles" are reality and some are simulated

Or if it is all the real world but with creatures effectively being printed into existence with digital consciousness inserted through one means or another

[lethal moat]

Like I said, reality can be a simulation, which how I believe Gateway is supposed to work

[regal sundial]

The old lore tm was that it was, through a combination of simulation and 'blank slate' or at least partially blank in terms of in the moment conscious thought EIPs possessing higher mental capacity (human capacity) to accelerate the evolutionary process

[lethal moat]

This is all we got of new stuff if you’re interested, there’s also a lore server and a podcast https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[regal sundial]

With some implications that some EIPs begin to remember past cycles and such, learning they're in the system

I'll take a look

[snow jasper]

found it :>

about a month later lol

[lethal moat]

The space marine thing

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/starvel-happy-gif-3126431309584006446

[regal sundial]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/n9dpym/comment/gzb5wup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button This was a short write up response I made of the major lore beats before the decanonization of magnas and such

Well "short"

I would strongly recommend anyone who is interested in the lore of The Isle read the Jurassic Park books and watch lore videos about ARK

[lethal moat]

I agree

Plus, the JP books are just a good read

[regal sundial]

Subnautica definitely is a similarly technological setting too I feel, can help shape how you think about the isle lore

[lethal moat]

A big unknown that I’m curious about is why gen 1 sacrifice to the replicator

[regal sundial]

Some instinctual hardcoded imprinting or equivalent depending on their mental capacity.

They're agents of the replicator, they do their job well, they get a 'raise'

[lethal moat]

I think it’s gen 1 just playing the replicator’s protocol’s to their benefit, not an intentional feature, it’s something they do because they know they’ll get something out of it, and they’ve learned the best way to get it

Behavioral reinforcement or whatever

[regal sundial]

There is definitely a comparison to be made to cells in the body, and the immune response

As well

[snow jasper]

to avoid conscription by AE and sent to fight on their ideals

[lethal moat]

You’re assuming gen 1 are capable of that complicated thought then?

[snow jasper]

no lol

[regal sundial]

Semi-autonomous drones in all likelihood

[lethal moat]

How would that stop AE from conscripting them?

[lethal moat]

I like to compare them to dogs

[regal sundial]

Could even be partially cybernetic like the quetzal drone concept and such, for further control from the replicator

Mental capacity likely varies significantly between individuals

[lethal moat]

Pretty skeptical on that one

[lethal moat]

I can see that being likely

[regal sundial]

And whether they've got an EIP in the meat or not

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[regal sundial]

I doubt they would though

[lethal moat]

You’re pretty knowledgeable, you want an invite to the lore server?

[regal sundial]

Sure

[lethal moat]

I’ll DM you

[regal sundial]

👍

[snow jasper]

You cannot escape that conscription though, no matter the sacrifices

[lethal moat]

So why would the sacrifices matter to that

[regal sundial]

I doubt they are even originally human, it would introduce conflicting interests

Originally human as in, the consciousness

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[lethal moat]

I think gen 1 having EIPs is an interesting thought, because they seem more competent than dinosaurs, but less competent than gen 2

[regal sundial]

They are meant to be an extension of the replicator, hands, eyes, ears, white blood cells ect

[lethal moat]

What about the Thousand Life Contract?

[regal sundial]

Could refer to these Gen 1s, I had had the thought it was also the replicators way of referring to the former AE staff it had digitized as as sort of punishment for previously controlling it

[lethal moat]

Creating new consciousness vs reusing existing ones

[snow jasper]

Humans they made from scratch
Its the EIP that made them, civilised? human? normal?

[regal sundial]

"You shackled me so now I am going to put you through hell for eternity" kind of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream sort of thing

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167557586699178054/1273077279316115617/image.png?ex=66df941c&is=66de429c&hm=ed006cdc48fa483f5c662a6b180318c7f02b518b0c22b09aa3ff247379814d18&

Maybe AE doesn’t know itself

[regal sundial]

Definitely think this and any degree of consciousness they have is an unintended byproduct of their human genetic origins, and giving them enough brain power to carry out their tasks the replicator gives them effectively

Or as a form of increase in station

[lethal moat]

I don’t think gen 1 are human

Maybe based off/around humans in construction, but they are built very different

They are first and foremost, products and weapons

[regal sundial]

Gen 2 is the idealized human, Gen 1 is human (+ dinosaur presumably, or whatever else the replicator had on hand or could reasonably reverse engineer in a short timeframe)

[lethal moat]

Nah

Completely original, the both of them, using humans as a reference

[regal sundial]

With the gen 1 being made purely to be meat drones

Oh?

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are made as a product

Our assumptions on how the replicator works is that it takes tiny bits and pieces of dna from a multitude of sources and uses it to create an original creature

[regal sundial]

Yes, almost indoraptor sort of thing, in simple terms

[lethal moat]

Kinda

[regal sundial]

My understanding is what it did have information for it used, or AE scientists did initially ect, and then they produced derivatives off of them through replication and probably splicing in other things

And for what they didn't have information on it basically reverse engineered with some sort of simulated or virtualized life

Like the whole process of "carcination" people like to joke about

[fast forge]

Carcinization is a meme only, the only things that "return to crab" are crustaceans

[regal sundial]

It creates a virtual environment with the closest thing to what it wants and just rapidly iterates until it becomes something that looks and functions like what it wants

[lethal moat]

I think the best description I’ve seen is that what the replicator makes is real to the original as an ai generated photo of a person is to an actual photo of a person

[snow jasper]

dang, they got fed some wrong info on a lot of creatures

[regal sundial]

There are examples of creatures "re-evolving" though is the point I am getting at, where the niche they occupied still exists after they cease to, and their form was so well adapted to filling it that another creature which is closely related to them is subjected to the same environmental pressures which produced the original creature, causing them to adopt the same adapatations and become an extremely similar creature

[fast forge]

yes the term is convergent evolution

[regal sundial]

You understand then good

[fast forge]

the college courses on genetics, ecology, and evolution helped

[regal sundial]

Pretty good analogy really

iirc for extinct creatures it is basically going off of what humans said their biological specifications were.. and it is set in the 90s

[lethal moat]

Or at least the island was functional in the 90s, might not be when we play

[snow jasper]

WHAT, im jealous, best I could get was biology, thats actually really really really annoyed me

[regal sundial]

Yeah

[fast forge]

I like the idea that the scientists in canon saw the movie Jurassic Park, and based the omni on that

[regal sundial]

I think some of the more recent stuff is post turn of the century?

lol

[snow jasper]

hold on, im gonna look up the a levels at my old college to see if they have anything new

[fast forge]

these were higher level courses, year 3-4 of an undergraduate degree

[snow jasper]

oh yeah, college in the uk is vastly different to america's i forgot

[regal sundial]

While the primal carnage connection is technically no longer canon I believe Dondi bought the rights to primal carnage several years back, so some of the connections could very well still exist, they are just wholly assimilated into The Isle now (potentially in new iterations under new names) that there's no real world legal issues

And in the ye olde lore the Phoenix dinosaurs were like, jurassic park style re-engineered using original genetic material

[lethal moat]

Some repeats like the existence of rival companies? Certainly, we’ve seen evidence for that already

[regal sundial]

So it isn't entirely ruled out some of the dinosaurs could be "real"

[lethal moat]

Wdym?

[regal sundial]

imo this part of the lore is the less interesting part since it was effectively just written up as something to point to to justify the stylization of the dinosaurs (and why they look like jurassic park dinosaurs)

The old lore was that some or all of the dinosaurs were stolen by AE from Phoenix during Operation Inferno and Phoenix's dinosaurs were more or less made from original DNA

[lethal moat]

The dinosaurs aren’t real as in genuine dinosaurs, but they are real as in physical things that can and will kill you

[regal sundial]

Yes that is definitely an intended philosophical area, ship of thesus-ing a living creature

[lethal moat]

We have that particular conversation often lol

[regal sundial]

lol

I think the specifics of the relationship between the strains and the replicator is very interesting

[lethal moat]

We know very little about strains

[regal sundial]

As well as how long has passed since AE broke down, the specifics of that collapse, what is the state of the outside world, and whether the origins of the strains is terrestrial or not

[lethal moat]

No aliens

[regal sundial]

How do you mean? Or know?

[lethal moat]

Dondi said no aliens

[regal sundial]

Because I mean insofaras, color out of space fell to earth on a meteor sort of thing

Like Element in ARK

[lethal moat]

The BIOS on the system was last updated sometime in the 90s, I can’t find it because my phone resolution is doo doo

94-99

[regal sundial]

Lot of grey areas like that for sure that haven't really gotten less foggy

Like a computer will eventually break down so you'd figure it's probably only been a couple decades max but it's also fiction so anything goes.

A few decades is definitely more interesting to me than like, millenia having passed

[lethal moat]

My bet is on sometime close to modern day

[regal sundial]

Agreed.. I could've sworn some stream relatively recently a year was mentioned

[lethal moat]

I don’t think so, but it is possible we missed something

[regal sundial]

Yeah I don't know, either way I think that is the intention anyhow so it doesn't matter overly much in terms of the specifics

Maybe this time around they'll get into the metaphysical stuff and dinosaurs, humans, and monsters all in game

[lethal moat]

[regal sundial]

And the run down living spaces and facilities

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859369469482631168/1174008360723546122/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[regal sundial]

I'm not a full 2013..? 2015? Stomping Lands/Isle/v2 ect boomer

2018 tho pretty far back

The Olympus Transmitter ARG period was interesting for sure

[lethal moat]

I want Olympus Transmitter

I never got to experience it

[regal sundial]

The morse code transmission streams was before my time tho

It was a fun experience, people were wracking their brains for meaning to what was being said, and going over various locations in game with a fine toothed comb

While it was said someone eventually 'logged in' at the end I am skeptical. Regardless it was fun though.

[lethal moat]

I want ARG stuff back

[regal sundial]

Same

People were obsessed with the radio towers on thenyaw at the time lol

[lethal moat]

We need more stuff to draw people to lore

[regal sundial]

Since there were three of them, people kept coming back to the idea of triangulating something of note on the map

The lore is what makes this more than Wolf Quest but dinosaurs X>

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205981060194893855/1219756761410437230/trollery.gif

[regal sundial]

Need a 'somebody I used to know' The Isle Lore video

[lethal moat]

Wait, Bork, do you know about the glory that is the matriarch?

[regal sundial]

A bit? It's sort of the basis for my wondering whether the strains are by this point more of cancer in the system at this point that can be be restricted but not outright contained or eradicated by the replicator

Since I figure the replicator wouldn't tolerate the matriarch's existence

[lethal moat]

So, the matriarch isn’t a strain

It’s a byproduct of tisso research, it’s own creature, that intakes biomass and can reproduce certain physical properties

It changes as it grows using what it eats

[lethal moat]

Wdym?

[regal sundial]

Something else with that much influence over the environment would, or at least could, effectively spoil whatever ongoing projects the replicator has

[lethal moat]

What if the replicator made it? What if it has purpose

[regal sundial]

That isn't impossible

[lethal moat]

By that logic, why would the replicator tolerate humans?

[regal sundial]

Well I don't think there's really ever a reason given why it would intentionally replicate humans

[lethal moat]

If you count gen 2 as human

[regal sundial]

Either way it makes sense why it's stated to be in Tartarus, containment.

I mean you could argue in a way EIPs that begin to remember the previous cycles, bypass the mental block or whatever that is in place are in a sense human

[lethal moat]

I disagree

This is where the ship of thesius argument pops up lol

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-kiwi-kiwi-cyberpunk-gif-26826808

[regal sundial]

I mean you live a thousand lives as a dinosaur you'll be well, a dinosaur lol

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[regal sundial]

But I figure that would also basically make the EIP in question useless to the replicator

Since at that point why even go to the trouble, just print dinosaurs lol

[lethal moat]

My argument is one that is beloved by others here

[regal sundial]

So there must be some sort of sanitation or reprocessing these minds undergo to preserve that human element

[lethal moat]

Why EIPs is another fun question

[regal sundial]

Weight the dice so to speak

imo

[lethal moat]

Also depends how EIPs operate

[regal sundial]

Replicator creates an environment with pressures that by all accounts should create traits it desires. Then put human mind with some level of mental blocking into the creature to apply that higher capacity for thinking to more quickly make those choices that will produce a lineage of creatures that will acquire those traits.

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1282134262044299428/image.png?ex=66df9194&is=66de4014&hm=39f286c98366aa7b39f034fa5e8fe094b411f249de52c6ab8f753c68357a6776&

0 being the original copy of conciousness

[regal sundial]

So you assume some level of duplication is a given?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[regal sundial]

*In the long term

[lethal moat]

Potentially in the form of the thousand life contract as a way of acquiring EIPs

[regal sundial]

I suppose there's no reason it couldn' t happen but by and large I'd figure there would be incentive for there to primarily to be truly unique individual minds in the system

It's like a genepool, but with concepts and ideas.

[lethal moat]

Maybe

Depends on why EIPs are needed

[regal sundial]

Like if you have five copies of the same mind they'd probably all make on average the same choices (without a decently long period of rediversification by subjecting them to wildly different circumstances and environments)

[regal sundial]

It does all come back to that, yes lol

[lethal moat]

Right, which is why the option of duplicating duplicates has also been brought up

[regal sundial]

I do firmly believe it is a monkeys with typewriters kind of situation

[lethal moat]

I think it’s more precise than that

[regal sundial]

Where a human mind is a apparatus in whatever this overarching procedure is that either improves the quality of the end product or the speed at which it is produced

[lethal moat]

Or at least trying to be more precise than that

[regal sundial]

I don't think necessarily any one purpose is mutually exclusive to another, like there are probably profiles that aren't being used for anything meanful that exist because just the replicator wants to torture them as punishment lol

[lethal moat]

You assume the replicator wants things?

Also yes, I imagine not all EIPs are in use at the same time, if only because there might be many or because they’re used for specific purposes

[regal sundial]

I don't remember what the founding was but I did have the impression that at some point it gained some level of awareness and autonomy within the parameters or directives it has

And embraced the whole, Olympian godly imagery

[lethal moat]

I don’t think the replicator is sentient/conscious, but that’s me

I think it’s (partially) an artificial intelligence just doing it’s job

[regal sundial]

This is another one of those philosophical quandries

[lethal moat]

Is it?

[regal sundial]

If you saw an alien intelligence (as in non-human, not necessarily otherworldly), would you be able to recognize it as such?

Something so profoundly different as a machine intelligence.

[lethal moat]

If it was able to say what it was and recognize itself and convey that to others, I believe so, but that’s not what I think the replicator is

[regal sundial]

And sentience or consciousness is already a grey area for where it "begins" to manifest.

[lethal moat]

I’m of the belief that it is a program doing as it was told

[regal sundial]

On one hand it comes off almost equivalent to like, a devouring swarm just a machine on repeat with the means to maintain and or propagate itself and source the means to continue it's labor but on the other with stuff like being sent to Tartarus vs the gateway and rewarding effective Gen 1s hints at the possibility of something more

I think between the replicator and the concept of EIPs there are definitely themes of a ghost within the machine of sorts

[lethal moat]

I personally don’t think so, but there’s nothing supporting or against my case other than if the replicator was sentient, AE should be doing so much more with it

[fast forge]

yes, I've wondered how they sourced their AI, when they have the tech to download a brain but also use dot-matrix printers or whatever

[regal sundial]

It's alive.. Or just 90s sci-fi rule of cool

The the AI is actually a meat machine explanation wouldn't explain the process of replication and like.. coupling an EIP to a replicated body

Or the brain downloading, you could I suppose in that area say they preserve the brains

[acoustic osprey]

Tomb

[regal sundial]

Is it really ever explained exactly what it is though? Beyond "that's where the EIPs are kept"

[lethal moat]

It was compared to the library of Alexandria

[acoustic osprey]

Not to what islecord knows

[regal sundial]

Kind of reminds me conceptually of the repositories they have in Horizon Zero Dawn

Just vibes

[lethal moat]

I think the replicator just makes bodies, maybe sometimes uses EIPs, maybe assists AE’s scientists in other research, but is still ultimately a tool, like all AI

[regal sundial]

Well that's the thing, AE is defunct as far as we know by the point the game takes place, no?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[lethal moat]

Not being on the islands is very different from not existing

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe AE is
But Apollo?

[regal sundial]

Or at least in terms of the facilities the replicator oversees

[acoustic osprey]

I like to imagine Replicator for the body
Something else, like The TOMB, for the mind

[lethal moat]

I see the replicator as an artificial intelligence that controls various systems
Like how I am myself piloting a meat suit

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-24566006

[regal sundial]

Agreed.

Do you know rain world perchance?

[lethal moat]

Maybe the replicator can work autonomously, makes sense if it’s trying to artificially simulate evolution, don’t need constant human interference

[lethal moat]

I know of it, but not in depth

[regal sundial]

I'd almost compare the replicator to the AI 'Iterators' in Rain World

Would recommend looking into it's lore

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/busy-working-work-schedule-grinch-gif-13160033

[regal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-crystal-the-dark-crystal-skeksil-how-tragic-the-chamberlain-gif-26732634

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcat-gif-9668209685450225329

But yeh the concept of EIPs realizing they're in the matrix and beginning to/becoming fully aware and remembering previous cycles and beyond is important to the story from an individual player perspective

[lethal moat]

Depends

[regal sundial]

Or could be I should say

From how stuff has been dripfed it seems like it is certainly one of the intended potential narrative or character progression routes

[lethal moat]

I think EIPs know what they are and what they’re doing, which would remove that panic, for me at least

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-in-case-i-dont-see-ya-gif-431648741633306521

[regal sundial]

I think those that are no longer producing meaningful results, or those who outright rebel are implied to be sent to tartarus or outright destroyed entirely--but beyond that what would convince someone to play along if they weren't subjected to some sort of heavy conditioning?

[lethal moat]

Lineage displacement perhaps

[regal sundial]

Well that is > oops all tartarus presumably

[acoustic osprey]

If employees are also EIPs

Or if the punishment is just very broad

[lethal moat]

I’m assuming it’s the second

[regal sundial]

I just assumed it went like: Choose your fate coffee boy: Eaten by dinosaur or miserable digital eternity

[lethal moat]

I think it's more "You knew the rules and chose to broke them, you knew the consequences, now here they are"

[acoustic osprey]

Like breaking a military contract

[lethal moat]

Yes

Clearly defined, you knew what you did, and you knew you would end up here, you got caught like everyone does, sucks to suck, now get in the pit

[acoustic osprey]

As this just feels more standard evil corporation-esque punishment

[acoustic osprey]

You know the rules
And so do I

Say goodbye

[lethal moat]

Cease

[regal sundial]

I meant like, when things went.. Not So Good™️ on the island/replicator/ect ect facilities

I wouldn't at all rule out before things went bad people that broke the rules got sent to the torment nexus as well though

[lethal moat]

I imagine when things went wrong on the island, it became a perpetual state of whatever the replicator was doing when the island was abandoned, nobody turned it off

[regal sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/134720091576205312/1172729388572348546/togif-10-1.gif

Me after tartarus relocation

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus relocation may just end up being like Shrek

[regal sundial]

What are ye doin in me swamp

[lethal moat]

I think of it as either 2 things
You either end up with a set spawn point in there where you can only exist as things within tartarus
Or
You loose all control and are used at the request of the researchers there

[acoustic osprey]

(In terms of how you'd be sent to work on Shrek as punishment)

[lethal moat]

Maybe, I say it depends how important the things within Tartarus are to AE

[acoustic osprey]

Hi you must work on Project SYPHS

[acoustic osprey]

I don't imagine they'd just do nothing to people besides just locking them in the brig

[regal sundial]

I think Tartarus is some combination deep storage/torment nexus/high security containment for things the replicator or AE can contain but not destroy or needs to keep around but is highly dangerous

[lethal moat]

Put them into experiments that may or may not work out

[acoustic osprey]

Which may be part of what Tartarus is for

[regal sundial]

LITERALLY

lol

[lethal moat]

Tartarus being the "highly experimental" section is a theory I'm growing to like, as most of what we saw from there in legacy was either extremely flawed or unfinished

[regal sundial]

Alternatively we also have openings available in the PRMTHS Department

[lethal moat]

We don't talk about KRONS

[acoustic osprey]

That's for the biggest rule breakers

[regal sundial]

I'm not sure what you are implying, and like none of it.

lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sheathing-the-sword-puff-meow-chef-that-little-puff-slicing-an-apple-gif-14446880999248387316

Hyper cannon being either a thunderbolt or scythe

[regal sundial]

While we can make these kinds of inferences about tartarus based off the name

[lethal moat]

I took most of it as a joke

[regal sundial]

One must then wonder what zeus/hades/poseidon are like

[regal sundial]

Yeah by the end but liek, this I mean

[regal sundial]

Yes I was referring to that

[lethal moat]

Tartarus being Apollo's equivilent to Area 51 sounds fun

[acoustic osprey]

I've always liked to imagine these as environmentally linked entrances

[snow jasper]

Area 51 is just a military base

[lethal moat]

Skunkworks does testing there

[regal sundial]

Oh also I just remembered

[lethal moat]

I agree

[regal sundial]

In old stuff at least there was referrences to "completing" a EIP

[acoustic osprey]

Yes... khorne....

[acoustic osprey]

I'll tell you this that all we know for Evrima is literally just that they're back and TOMB is linked

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-gif-20268310

[regal sundial]

They as in EIPs?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Evrima lore has a lot more unknowns that we tend to try and fill in with legacy stuff

[regal sundial]

There easily could have been a massive sweeping re-write but it does make sense to fallback to old stuff until told otherwise, especially since several old concepts have carried over like the atriums, EIPs, and gateway

[lethal moat]

Exactly

We work with what we have and what once was

[regal sundial]

Is Spiro still site 12?

[lethal moat]

Don't think that was ever confirmed, and Spiro is currently considered quasi-canon

[regal sundial]

Or like..

The full evrima map

[lethal moat]

Wdym?

[regal sundial]

Weren't they initially planning a much larger map but it didn't run well?

Gateway or whatever

[lethal moat]

Spero

Gateway is the current map

[regal sundial]

And this current map is a stopgap while they fix that

Hoh

[lethal moat]

Nope, we're on Gateway now

Spiro was swapped out last year

[regal sundial]

Oh!

Interesting (I haven't actually played in a long time)

[lethal moat]

It's neat, can't wait for it to be finished, we just got the docks in

[robust ether]

i wouldn't care if spiro was nuked i have such a deep hatred for that map

[snow jasper]

[robust ether]

spero in a dream world where officials could actually run more than 120 people

[regal sundial]

Meanwhile Legacy: 𓄿𓎼𓆑𓉔𓎼𓂋𓆓𓋴 200/200

(no one is online)

[lethal moat]

Evrima main branch will be a great day

[regal sundial]

idk why they don't just pull the trigger on that, legacy is a mess nowadays as far as I can tell, all or almost all servers with faked 200/200 and no one on

[lethal moat]

166,927.933, 4,129.784, 36,160.389

[robust ether]

o

[lethal moat]

That's neato

[acoustic osprey]

hasn't that always been there?

unless that's a different side

[lethal moat]

mAYBE, IDK

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/caps-lock-all-caps-shouting-yelling-hot-air-gif-15045771

[acoustic osprey]

when recode was announced:

Spero + Thenyaw V2
5 Islands/maps were confirmed
Thenyaw V2 cancelled when Dinosauriac left
Spero too big (32x32km)
Spiro starts work (few weeks later Evrima drops)
"Smaller map" confirmed
Gateway is teased
Spiro stops development and Gateway is released

[lethal moat]

RAAHHHH

[acoustic osprey]

^

🗣️

[regal sundial]

I see thanks

Just how big is 32x32 proportionally?

Like compared to other games with big maps like red dead or ARK sort of games

[acoustic osprey]

there is a chance that Spiro could be named Site (not 12) 2
being that the old TCAMs had the location area (where Gateway had "GW") code as "S2"

there is also a chance that Gateway is also Site 12 or 4 ||I-04||
being that is what it was in Legacy

[acoustic osprey]

basically just smaller than RDR2 map

[regal sundial]

Yeah I was misremembering. Gateway is Site 12 and uhh something other than islands 1-3 or tartarus at least

[acoustic osprey]

there may be an official address name for Gateway
Like "Site-12"

but we can't be for certain
This was how it was in legacy - I hope it comes back

[regal sundial]

I think site twelve was just a cheeky but ultimate inconsequential in the grand scheme reference to greek mythology

12 Olympians and such

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[regal sundial]

Do agree it was a neat little YOO I GET IT!!! MYTHOLOGY REFERRENCE!!

[acoustic osprey]

well
Gateway in legacy was more so the connection between I-2 and I-1

it was, at least in 2018, more so a facility rather than island itself
bit of a choke point

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[regal sundial]

From my memory it was like

Gateway went between tartarus and islands 1, 2 and 3

As a sort of well, hub

[acoustic osprey]

i'll get you the old user inquiry on it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/461767771634663425/unknown.png?ex=66dfdbbf&is=66de8a3f&hm=74d5d021f92c7b3f265b64857bd5d0e7e4cc0c9d05ac9df089a6dd066fa865cb&

[regal sundial]

Ahh right

That is what I was thinking of

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
to be fair

painfully obscure stuff those user inquiries

[regal sundial]

..Isn't there some implication Tartarus might be island 3?

Or at least room for that conclusion via deductive reasoning

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-maurice-ah-its-fifty-fifty-fifty-fifty-5050-gif-25472268

[regal sundial]

lol, fair

[acoustic osprey]

that old legacy mini lore dumps wouldn't always answer the questions we wanted properly

[regal sundial]

They never did

[acoustic osprey]

almost as if it was written by dondi || ||

[regal sundial]

Only added more

[acoustic osprey]

apple doesn't fall far from the tree

same goes with almost everything we've gotten the past 4 years for Evrima
lol

[regal sundial]

One ended up having to wonder whether there were ever answers or just the questions for the sake of the mystery

[regal sundial]

Also, what made it so technically unfeasible then?

[acoustic osprey]

also it is interesting seeing you back here Bork Dork
didn't get to comment due to being over on the train

i haven't see your name in, like, years

[acoustic osprey]

Indie team
hard/painful to optimise
and UE4

if they had a proper Triple A team like Rockstar
they could probably do it easily

and the thing is with RDR2
is that it is singleplayer

and it's multiplayer is pretty limited

[regal sundial]

Very sporadically I'll see what's happening with this and if there's any new story stuff, even though I have honestly more or less given up on it ever making it into the the game

Still interesting to see the new stuff and all

[acoustic osprey]

fair fair
the same seems to go with older lore-based islecordians
especially HellShade

you'll see them come in every once in a while
I know HellShade comes in basically whenever something officially lore drops

[regal sundial]

Figured as much. Rockstar is especially learned in making big open world games too in all fairness

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

but yeah
they had this idea of splitting the map into separate servers

basically akin to what Forza Horizon 4 did
but it's just too complicated

instead of just using one of the smaller islands on Spero
they just redid the whole thing

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-is-dead-wake-up-shake-gif-16686328

[regal sundial]

Yeah that sounds like a bit of a hacky solution for a situation like this which would probably be more 'properly' solved by figuring out better optimization techniques and then going through the whole process of having that work done.

Or just making a smaller map.

[acoustic osprey]

mhmm

ironically
UE5 supports way larger maps now

but multiplayer would still be unhappy with it
but yeah.

We're stuck with Gateway at roughly 16x16

[regal sundial]

I'd figure switching from UE4 to 5 would hopefully not be too tough, since that's sort of a selling point for using somebody's premade engine

How big was v3?

[acoustic osprey]

(took them half a year roughly )

[acoustic osprey]

15x15 roughly

[regal sundial]

Not counting the water?

[acoustic osprey]

counting the water

without
probably 14x14

[regal sundial]

Honestly V3 was already pretty big, even with the areas that were inaccessibly mountainous or at times, depending on version of the map, walled off

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[regal sundial]

Oh also, the docks on gateway, they are at least loosely modelled off of the docks in the one primal carnage map, yes?

Or that was the idea at some point I believe no?

[acoustic osprey]

good question actually

from the buildings we have at Docks atm on Gateway
no

[regal sundial]

Ahh yes that is much larger than what I remember, the sort of iconic one with the billboard with the girl holding the compy

idk I would have to see the one I am thinking of again

To be sure

[acoustic osprey]

carnage comes home

but yeah
this dock is completely different

being that PC(E) is no longer connected

[regal sundial]

Dondi bought the rights though, no?

[acoustic osprey]

would be very painful (yet funny) if we had a billboard there with the PCE Dockyard billboard

[regal sundial]

To Primal Carnage

[acoustic osprey]

i believe he may have creative rights
but, yeah, he confirmed Isle will be it's own thing a few years back

i don't believe he solely has the rights though
because PCE is doing it's new PS5 game (recode technically?)

[regal sundial]

Agreed

To me it comes off as more a change of language than anything else?

Like the atrium stuff has stayed largely the same it seems

[acoustic osprey]

painfully

kinda wished he didn't keep the reference

but
I suppose it's a Roman-aspect
which is still fitting for the mythology aspect of AE/The Isle

[regal sundial]

Sure the settings are no longer officially connected but the common thematic elements remain

[regal sundial]

dome

I wonder what that big coil on the ceiling does...

[acoustic osprey]

inside?

potentially a viewing bay

but it seems like it connects to the top
which seems like it has a hydraulic opening hatch system

[regal sundial]

I am joking about Contingency

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/old-salieri-amadeus-you-flatter-gif-20384746

[regal sundial]

The old ways

btw was it ever in legacy lore disclosed what was in Atrium A?

Strain beasties?

iirc B was aquatic and C was contingency w/ therapods and pterosaurs

Alfie broke out of atrium A? I want to say?

[acoustic osprey]

Neuros were done beneath Atrium B
Atrium B, within, had aquatic specimens

Atrium C had Alphie escape
Alongside several other Hypers were re-located inside Atrium C

Atrium A? Can't remember much, nor can I really find much

[regal sundial]

Wait I think the uhh PC map where you fight inside the dome/in front of it iirc was meant to be Atrium A maybe? Not a lot of information about PC lore online anymore.. the fate of the fandom wiki

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-kenobi-its-me-star-wars-gif-10806860

[acoustic osprey]

C

[regal sundial]

The one with the tesla coil was C

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/RK4em51BLgM
yes this one was A

[regal sundial]

Oh yeah, yeah this is the one I mean

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXSAXwi4rd8
but we also had this one

which is what I thought you were referring to

[regal sundial]

That was Atrium C yeah

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[regal sundial]

It was the one I meant with the "what's that on the ceiling" bit

[acoustic osprey]

me when a big bird crashes out of my dome

[regal sundial]

I think why this sort of stuff despite being years out of date and from a scuffed 1/2 maybe 3/4ths finished game is because it is the condensed concept of the lore we've ever really actually gotten to engage with in a 3D environment

Since in the actual game it's all just been forest or pretty unremarkable empty facilities

[acoustic osprey]

yeah pretty much

i believe it's what Dinosauriac's trying to do in Primal Carnage Evolution

[regal sundial]

Should always makes sure you've got a big enough cage before you get an exotic bird 😔

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah, PC and PCE never truly had a strong lore lore presence

[regal sundial]

Hyper quetzal just wanna flap

[acoustic osprey]

bird wanna be bird

[regal sundial]

He was just kinda a dude soaring around in the skybox tbf

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

[regal sundial]

And yeah in terms of like, them in and of themselves it was just dinos vs humans death match with like some light hearted allusions that the dinosaurs actively consciously do not want the humans back on the island potentially hinting at like some kind of higher intelligence

But otherwise it was purely environmental stuff

I guess there was a bit of fluff on the dossier posters and some whiteboards in the maps too

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[regal sundial]

But again not a cohesive story, the isle as an idea is what stitched it together

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much
just general ideas back then, for something that could be bigger

[regal sundial]

Who would've thought it'd be so hard to make a combination Wolf Quest But With Dinosaurs, ARMA/Tarkov, and Rust/ARK in one game

[acoustic osprey]

lol

||Primal Carnage Genesis !!!! ||

[regal sundial]

Novemnber 2013 guys!!!

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-in-case-i-dont-see-ya-gif-431648741633306521

[regal sundial]

That half cooked potential also itches my brain in an almost gm_bigcity sort of liminal way

[regal sundial]

https://youtu.be/ZRm7TeBvZTM

B-443!!! MAGNA TYRANNUS

[acoustic osprey]

BIG DADDY!!!

[regal sundial]

What is he doing actually?

Didn't know he left.

[acoustic osprey]

recoding/updating PCE for PS5

[regal sundial]

Or quit, ect.

[acoustic osprey]

resigned on good terms it seemed

[regal sundial]

Gotcha

I mean it has an unrealized potential, but it'd need a lot of work

Also since you've got the role and are posting in here do you do videos on the lore and the like?

[acoustic osprey]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExM3Myd3l0bHdmb212M3p0cHBpcm4yajFkOHpjM2lvNHkxd2Jxb3lwbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/DOfWSktTjxrSMvJS6E/giphy-downsized-large.gif

just one atm

which is a general breakdown/introduction to Evrima lore

i'm working on a Dibble Lore Video breakdown
then AUGUSTUS
then, hopefully, a proper Lore Iceberg video

which'll go over Legacy and Evrima lore terms

[regal sundial]

So.. a compilation of legacy lore plus/minus a couple things w/ a disclaimer

Also AUGUSTUS? 🤨 What that

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/amadeus-mozart-is-dead-wake-up-shake-gif-16686328

I have 100 terms
and roughly 40 of them have a paragraph each

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc1QNXK_XOM

[regal sundial]

Oh is this the herrera one?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[regal sundial]

I suppose I can see this, and the fact it was destroying cameras to begin with, interesting.

The rest is just "Herrera climbs now!!!" through a in setting medium

It does shed a tiny bit of light what olympus is, and add some clues that tartarus isn't just for dangerous stuff, but experimental stuff as well it seems

And hints at some of the details of the replication process and the relationship between it, TOMBS and EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

[regal sundial]

What is your take?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

too large of a question to ask

[regal sundial]

lol

On like, EIP/TOMBS/Replication

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
video is pretty simple

but the smaller aspects lead to their own 'takes' in their own regards

[regal sundial]

On one hand it comes off like, loading from hard drive to RAM sort of replication

[acoustic osprey]

but, for me, poetically it makes sense for
The Replicator to make the body
and something else (EIPs) for the mind

[regal sundial]

But then there is the talk of re-basing and lineage displacement

[acoustic osprey]

i do believe it's similar to how military contracts work

at least
it's too obscure at the moment

[regal sundial]

Vibe I get is every creature 'in memory' so to speak alive at a moment has an EIP, even if their EIP is effectively just a zerox of the current establish template creature

And those that play the replicator's game of life and thrive are granted the opportunity at ressurection

And those who go beyond that and produce measurable improvement or progress over the established template get catalogged in TOMBS proper and like, sent to the pain nexus to be prodded at and/or established as the new baseline for the species

[regal sundial]

(avg pc presumably)

And those who go against the system, maybe become conscious, ect get the Gens 1 sent after them and are sent to the pain nexus or outright obliterated

Some EIPs potentially/presumably are or were orginally human minds?

[lethal moat]

That is what we mostly assume EIPs are

[regal sundial]

The first iteration EIPs, maybe they are exclusively Gen 1s, maybe not. Don't think there is a terminology correlation there probably

[lethal moat]

What do you consider EIPs to be?

[regal sundial]

Doubting that because it appears there is a correlation between species and their associated EIP(s) rather than mix and match

[regal sundial]

Legacy wise human minds, maybe person in a pod, maybe brain in a jar, maybe wholly digital. When they get replicated they get loaded to memory in some sanitized form to only retain the processing power and give or take past dinosaur experiences to ensure they don't contaminate data ect then when the creature they are inhabiting dies the original profile is updated with their life streamed back

And of course how they are inserted into the creatures is never explained whether it is all digital simulation, some sort of streaming, or SOMA style imprinting

Evrima, definitely seems digital, and it definitely seems like EIPs are iterative

[lethal moat]

I like that answer

[regal sundial]

Whether or not they were originally human minds is unclear now, but like, the herrera had to learn what a CCTV camera is somehow

[lethal moat]

Does the herrera have to have an EIP?

[regal sundial]

I'd figure yes? Probably this sort of concept? The creature there is only listed as "174" but yeah

Like the majority of EIPs never effectively entering "storage"

[lethal moat]

I’d say that’s a large assumption

Most things about EIPs are assumptions tbh

[regal sundial]

Because they are only one degree of separation from the current template and haven't done anything remarkable

[regal sundial]

For sure

I think to be "entombed" an individual has to be contributing to the replicators goals though

[lethal moat]

I think entombment serves for the body/an archive of an EIP before allowing that EIP to progress further

[regal sundial]

There is also the question of what progression completion entails

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[regal sundial]

Remember the old version of the game you progressed through creatures

[lethal moat]

And whether or not that gets moved over is another thought

[regal sundial]

And I do think that ties into the legacy EIP lore where every individual was very distinct, and more separate from the creatures (in my eyes)

Originally the strains were going to be like... MMO class specs or skill trees

[lethal moat]

I see EIPs having much more freedom in Evrima, but still needing to earn certain things, perhaps by doing what the replicator is programmed to reward you for

[regal sundial]

I think stuff like the dietary system is in part meant to represent that potentially (in addition to just, biological functionings of your dinosaur)

I am curious what the details of the strains in relation to the replicator are, it was clearly something AE wanted to toy with, so it is logical to believe the replicator would too

However also seemed like something difficult to contain or control totally

[lethal moat]

I’d like strains to be more seperate from the replicator tbh

[regal sundial]

Leftovers of AE digging too deep like a weed in the garden kind of thing

[lethal moat]

What?

[regal sundial]

Legacy wise at least

[lethal moat]

AI are meant to automate certain tasks, I wouldn’t be surprised if the replicator doesn’t really get involved with AE’s projects until AE knows the project is functional

[regal sundial]

Evrima it seems less certain AE is more or less destroyed, in terms of their presence on any of the facilities referred to in the majority of the lore

[lethal moat]

Destroyed and gone are not the same

[regal sundial]

True enough

Neither particularly seems to be the case assuming these videos like the herrera one are set in the same time current gameplay is meant to be

Since there are live feeds and incident reports being written up

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt that’s the case for all of them

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-bateman-gif-3976070

[lethal moat]

Especially for things like the Dibble Injection Video, where footage from it was used for the field guide, and retrieving the footage from the archive is what corrupted it

[regal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/paull-allen-american-psycho-paull-allens-card-card-business-card-gif-25686120

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-heath-ledger-heres-my-card-gif-10464387

[acoustic osprey]

Specifically the materials and evaluations

Less so the whole AVI, it seems

But the video was the one that was retrieved from Archive 7 and corrupted for some reason

[regal sundial]

On one hand they coincide with something changing in the game world.

[lethal moat]

Artifacting from electromagnetic interference

[regal sundial]

On the other the systems are clearly shown to be decrepit and or in some state of decay

[acoustic osprey]

Which could be for many reasons

[regal sundial]

And mentioning archives

Suppression Field

[lethal moat]

I like to see these videos as prequels that have some sort of influence or hints about things in game

[acoustic osprey]

But the "for some reason"
Was meant for

Why did they need to retrieve the video in the first place

[acoustic osprey]

I say 50/50

I don't mind them being like the islands

Where they are on different times on the timeline

However, we must note, that the footage we see may not be true canon
Besides the textural lore that we get

Knowing this like the Network Graph isn't 100% canon anymore

[regal sundial]

Oh also didn't the end of the dibble one tease some large therapod? (rex and or allo?)

[lethal moat]

It can vary, but my opinion is of the two lore-significant videos we’ve seen, both take place before where we currently play on gateway

[acoustic osprey]

Due to Gateway getting large touch ups

[lethal moat]

Yeah, had to find that through the lore hunt

[acoustic osprey]

Allo, aye

[regal sundial]

Right

[regal sundial]

Network Graph?

[acoustic osprey]

Woops

The gateway map on the dibble video

Grid map is what I mean

[lethal moat]

The actual information matters more than the medium currently, because things are still unfinished

[regal sundial]

Ohh

The map that flickers on screen for a few frames periodically?

Also I remember someone I spoke to some time ago going off about the rex only being AI or something like that?

[lethal moat]

They’re trying to make apexes work for officials, we’ll see how it goes

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[regal sundial]

Like as playable creatures or just AI? Because the person seemed to believe they were only ever going to be AI

[acoustic osprey]

might be a bit relaying 2020 info
Rex AI was supposed to be the first iteration of Rex like Stego AI

[regal sundial]

Ahh, could very well be it

Plans always do be changing around here

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

[hexed forge]

Plans change I guess

[lethal moat]

I'd like hollow points as an option for the gun

Maybe on the reserve

[bold crater]

Unique types of ammo sounds neat for weapons

Aside from the usual "this gun uses X ammo whereas this one uses Y ammo"

[lethal moat]

Hollow point 7.62

[robust ether]

gun talk means nothing to me but the model makes me happy

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ballistic-gel-gif-18507820

[robust ether]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-clap-clapping-clapping-gif-gif-13465728489229726846

[acoustic osprey]

gun

i do hope they make guns dynamic
a bit like RDR2

[lethal moat]

Machine gun

[hexed forge]

Good ol shotguns

[lethal moat]

Despite what wavepoole insists, I think I’m going to enjoy the sniper

[hexed forge]

Yeah I dont believe the "Sniping people across the map" would be true. The amount of foliage and mountains in the way..

[lethal moat]

I think he’s right, but I think I’ll enjoy the skill to hit things from a extreme distances

[hexed forge]

Wont it be challenging to measure the distance from x point to y point tho? I dont know much about snipers

[robust ether]

gun go boom

[hexed forge]

woah

[lethal moat]

Sight the ranges, if you’re in a watchtower, you should probably be watching an entrance

[muted reef]

I hope we actually have to aim down sights with no crosshair

[acoustic osprey]

it's not even that
even for mid-range it'd be annoying for normal players

[hexed forge]

Hopefully snipers are rare, and the ammo even more rare.

[acoustic osprey]

(or just non-existent - i would really like to know how Gen2s are to be orchestrated)

like
it'd be fine
if we knew how they'd handle Gen2s at least

i understand it'd be pretty connected to lore

but, like, give dossier or something so we can see how they will work

[hexed forge]

My theory is that AE sends them to their abondoned facilities to do specific tasks. They can view those tasks via their tablets, or they just know them.. somehow..

Current tasks:
-Place TrailCam in H6
-Fix the fence perimeter around K15
Etc etc

[hexed forge]

soontm

[acoustic osprey]

but now how do you make this fun and engaging in the long run

[hexed forge]

AE credits!!

#isle-lore-theories message

Just an idea

[acoustic osprey]

even then that's lacklustre
not really a gameplay loop

'why should I play the game?'
'for credits'

just isn't all that engaging

like
i understand it's similar to Elders

but elders is one system of a bigger gameplay loop of features

and even then
Elders bring immediate gameplay rather than just the end reward

[low scarab]

Rdr2 can be something to look up to for a lot of things in the isle

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200018159726510080/1278718159511093268/baz.gif

[hexed forge]

What if you want to spawn in with a fully loaded out gen2. Armor, Ammo, Guns, etc. Shoot some dinosaurs.

What other way is there to make Gen2s more interactive

[acoustic osprey]

shoot some dinosaurs should be something they strive against in normal game mode

[hexed forge]

True

[acoustic osprey]

that's why I want to see what the devs have brought to the table on ideas for Gen2s

[low scarab]

I want to see a lot of the ideas the devs have brought to the table

Most of which would be filling the gameplay loop

[muted reef]

Fall physics

[fast forge]

yes, you can't fill the gameplay loop with only 1 thing in a game like this, it's gotta be many many things

[low scarab]

Mhm they said they have discussed and probably continue to discuss ideas for such and I am interested to see what they have planned

[fast forge]

there was a fair bit of map stuff that was WIP on the last HT build, I wonder if we got any minor map updates

[hexed forge]

Probably not

[fast forge]

I have irrefutable proof that The Isle sits on the back of a giant turtle

[robust ether]

do show

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-turtle-big-bang-theory-gif-26023599

[neon gorge]

is "The Ocean" Dondi's next game project

[lofty swallow]

you'd be so surprised- actually just join like, a fortnite match rq, it'll change your view on guns in the isle for good.

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[regal sundial]

I am guessing the ideal end goal for gen 2 gameplay is something between Rust/ARK and Tarkov/ARMA

Extraction-like with some degree of depth to the moment and guns/gear with a focus on resource management and elements of base building

Maybe instead of an arbitrary timer like Tarkov though there'd be a ramping aggression from Gen 1s, and or "bounty" for killing you for player dinosaurs if you really make a mess of things as a sort of immune response to de-incentivize you just going out and fragging everything once you have a decent amount of gear

Akin to scavs going after you if you kill a lot of them but worse

Combined w/ this if you still don't catch the hint probably
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZMD_eCpEo

[magic kite]

Hi, question about dinosaurs, do you have any ideas now, the origin of dinosaurs on the island? They are artificial, or natural ones? Is the idea confirmed, or is it still inaccurate?
ps. I apologize for my English, there may be inaccuracies of speech.

[acoustic osprey]

mixture of both artificial and natural (more so pseudo-natural)

however
all dinosaurs are technically artificially made

either they were made from the machine
OR
they are the children of 'those' made from the machine

[magic kite]

Thanks for the answer, I had misunderstandings about it, in different sources I've seen different information, and there were inaccuracies in the speech of the game developer before. Thanks for the answer!😁

[little plover]

It's been awhile since I've kept up with lore in this game what the hell is the machine

[acoustic osprey]

The Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

fair fair
if you have ANY lore questions and unsure on the validity

always good to ask here

most of the regulars here are pretty up to date with it all

[little plover]

Okay, so is that just a machine that AE uses to make the assets or?

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

however
it may be so that The Replicator is more an umbrella term
containing several systems within

is it still an AI? or just a standard machine - like a calculator?
Who knows atm

[little plover]

Ah right well that makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

wish I could elaborate further lol
if I could

[little plover]

It's all good lore in this game has always been vague and stuff thats why I lost track of it for so long lol

[acoustic osprey]

fair

[regal sundial]

@acoustic osprey I was thinking a bit after seeing that concept art and remembered that in PC Atrium A/B/C are adjoined iirc

Or at least A and B were very directly connected?

Also does anybody have the art of the neuro spino being dissected?

[acoustic osprey]

can't honestly remember lol
been years

I believe it might've been A and B

[regal sundial]

Yeesss

I was exploring PCE maps in free roam and thought this room was familiar

At least a bit.

(This is the Atrium B map)

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[regal sundial]

Also it is freaky how they're in full hazmat suits. One has to wonder what necessitates that

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
heck
this idea seemed to have been continued with 'new lore/evrima lore' as well with the troodon x human art

[regal sundial]

Ooghk yikes

Well hazmat suit is easier to draw than a person's face ig

[acoustic osprey]

true lol

[turbid egret]

I mean the isle for humans should be especially spine chilling at night, troodons being only one of the nightly terrors

[regal sundial]

Has all the text that displays in the top left of evrima when you open the game been written down btw? Or what comes up when you die? Unsure if it has changed really from legacy, also don't remember much of what the legacy version said.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

basically the same as legacy's sadly

BUT
we're getting a new UI overhaul/bootup

which is good news

eg

[regal sundial]

The 'crusty overgrown terminal' thing as it is now has gotten a bit old, even if it is endearing

Hacknet lookin'

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[turbid egret]

I mean i like it

[regal sundial]

It is neat, interested to see the finished version for sure

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[regal sundial]

And the crusty overgrown terminal does raise an interesting question of the context if there is any really

[acoustic osprey]

another

[regal sundial]

Who is infront of the screen, and why ect. Assuming it isn't just stylistic

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

(same question for the AUGUSTUS video as well - WHO ARE YOU USER OLYMPUS!!!)

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[regal sundial]

Oh this is a good one.. What do you make of the olympus transmitter?

Any meaning behind what it was saying?

[acoustic osprey]

gone
at least

still in lore
but, in lore, gone

in terms of the old tweets?
They're poof/gone from Evrima lore

[regal sundial]

Ahh

[acoustic osprey]

it's why Don deleted the account, sadly

but
he seems to make homage to it's existence (the transmitter, not the transmissions) on the ERRANT-291 abstract graph

being that it went 'offline'

[regal sundial]

Ye the split in half document

Any clue what the "LLLRFL" scribble means?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=66e14a41&is=66dff8c1&hm=54c5e90e87edb66acd8502b1f31020da993430a2c942b14a2dda848d6fcc29ed&
use this one

[acoustic osprey]

likely directional codes is the best theory we have atm

being that it points from G to B
likely: "Left, Left, Left, Right, Forward, Left"

[regal sundial]

That is a pretty good guess yeah

Only thing I can imagine that makes sense, besides some obscure acronym or abbreviation

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

[regal sundial]

The abstract does really make me wonder how close the current gateway map is to what is planned.

[acoustic osprey]

which would be practically impossible at the moment

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-amadeus-gif-4956823

[regal sundial]

Since it lists 18 distinct.. things

And since it referrences guts by all accounts it should all be on gateway??

[acoustic osprey]

(also in the shape of the jewish tree of life)

[regal sundial]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

my theory is that it may be the interior of The Atrium/Perm

[regal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[acoustic osprey]

which makes sense for the "GUTS Access Route"

and exterior state

[regal sundial]

Sensible conclusion to make

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

sadly I wish we could ramble about more physical lore things like this
but yeah. Basically 2 years of just pondering about those two papers

seems like more's happening though
devs can work on bits more and more now, which is good

[regal sundial]

Yeah it is interesting to talk and think about but with there being so little concrete definitive information to being with and there not having been anything new besides whacky new silly terms coming out there is only so far you can take it

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[regal sundial]

This is an old version of the map but what interests me is that there are rail lines here that are not present currently in game

[acoustic osprey]

Aye!

yeah
i don't believe they've recently stated if Monorails are coming back properly yet or not

I got to try them on a closed beta branch
were cool

but we know they'd only be environmental
no actual monorail trains

[regal sundial]

It sort of comes off like they want to make a underground complex now for all the secret cool stuff

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah
seeing more on GUTS and that type of underground stuff would be REALLY interesting

[regal sundial]

Since while the big dome is big, it's not as HUGE as all these environments in the art are depicting so you have to figure it has a not insignificant element of verticality going down

[acoustic osprey]

the dome is still 1km per side though
just to note

i can imagine it being a transport hub of sorts? underground that is, below

that depends

soo much they could do

[regal sundial]

Agreed.. Assuming they aren't holding back the more major impactful or meaningful surface level infrastructure to put in all at once when the domes insides are ready

It implies they'd need all that stuff underground

I just hope when the game gets to that point having stuff underground isn't used to handwave having not all of it be accessible or anything

[regal sundial]

A bit less than 2km^2 then probably?

Since a hexagon isn't a square

[acoustic osprey]

yeah basically 2x2

[regal sundial]

Maybe it's where the people working or who were working on the island lived too, on the surface level, since it is being called the perimeter and all

And if it were just storage/offices/labs you wouldn't need the dome

It could just be extra big for the freaky mutant strain beasties too though

[regal sundial]

Can you post the other page?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=66e14fb1&is=66dffe31&hm=bb6b74bcad64d8e6269631470a625ec23526c328d36cd478625a6e7d5bafdf24&
this one?

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially
but I see Perm/The Atrium being used as a sort of large hybrid facility

[fast forge]

I still think perimeter is just a big research facility, and not some greater hub

I think all the 'extra space' in Perimeter's walls would be used by facilities needed to operate such a dome. Like the HVAC system alone would need to be the size of an elementary school

[regal sundial]

[lethal moat]

I think it can be both

[fast forge]

tbh my main reason for opposing it having other uses is because I haven't seen any part of the structure that suggests any other use

[lethal moat]

Fair

[fast forge]

it's just big, and could maybe fit other facilities inside

it's also kinda near the center of the map, so I could see that being evidence of it being a hub

But like, my local zoo has an atrium. The only thing inside of it is birds, plants, storage for plants and animal supplies, and environmental conditioners (like the HVAC)

[lofty swallow]

I want a desert-themed dome

[hexed forge]

Tundra biome please..

[lofty swallow]

and redwoods

[hexed forge]

Redwoods is likely in Perimeter/The Atrium yes

[lofty swallow]

yeah

[fast forge]

with desert and tundra they are both flat and no trees/foliage so you can see everything, probably not the best for this style of game

[lofty swallow]

a lab of some sort would be cool, like for gen 2s to do the quetz reprogramming

[lofty swallow]

well yeah, only a few dinosaurs could go there though, with the lack of water, no semi aquatics could go to desert, and no herbivores could graze, so it'd probably consist of things in the middle like alberto

[fast forge]

Honestly they just sound kinda boring to me

Biomes dominated by a flat featureless plain

I dunno I suppose deserts can have interesting rock formations, and same with tundra for ice

[lethal moat]

I’d love for one strain animal to become a burrowing predator

Trapdoor spider sort of thing

[robust ether]

Ooh spooky love that

[low scarab]

that gameplay wouldnt be great though

[lethal moat]

Something burrowing while moving at unrealistic speeds could be fun too

[low scarab]

I do like burrowing ideas

but a trapdoor spider hunting style would get old quick

[robust ether]

People play deino

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tap-oh-no-scared-jump-back-whoa-there-gif-16627672

[hexed forge]

I really hope they didnt turn off Gen2 on the HT, I have so many nice ideas with the Docks when the patch comes to the evrima branch

[muted reef]

Guys UE6 is aiming for increased server strengths...BY A LOT

WE CAN FINALLY HAVE OUR 300 PLAYERS BABY

[hexed forge]

Gateway is too small for 300.

When Petits Pieds had 200 it was already sooooo manyyyy

[muted reef]

Well in that case then have it be like 220 I just want a filled map with no hotspots

[low scarab]

you say that....

[hexed forge]

200. Take it or leave it

[low scarab]

im hyped but not even gonna lie think of all that the last engine update took from us

[muted reef]

500 players on Spero I beg

[low scarab]

like the monorail....

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hagrid-dark-times-harry-potter-gif-11616633

[muted reef]

I don't care I need server strength

[hexed forge]

You say that while also saying this...

Pick a side god damnit

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[muted reef]

I like anarchy

[hexed forge]

yes

[low scarab]

both is not gonna be good when its been 9 months since the last hordetest

[lethal moat]

Both

[hexed forge]

What

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[muted reef]

He's saying it'll take ages

[hexed forge]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Im predicting Monorails in 2025

[muted reef]

I think this year

[hexed forge]

Maybe, maybe not

[lethal moat]

Hopefully

[fast forge]

tbh with the new patrols and random spawns, I've been seeing players even when there are only like 30 people in a server

[lethal moat]

It's great

[hexed forge]

Its great yeah, just would be nice if some dinos got more than 2 spawns.

[muted reef]

they should have all spawns

[hexed forge]

I disagree

[muted reef]

Actually all spawns in their specific region

[hexed forge]

In their preferred biomes yeah

[fast forge]

agreed, the regionality is fun

[regal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[low scarab]

💀 my point is its prob gonna take ages to do another engine upgrade

[low scarab]

bold of you to have such hope

[hexed forge]

ohh

[low scarab]

really ive only found people at south plains less than expected but if I travel I cant find anyone

but I will make at least half an apology to those who supported randomized spawning

[hexed forge]

[alpine lynx]

gateway is ok for 300 in my opinion

[hexed forge]

I have experienced it at 200, at 200 its already pushing the limit. 300 is just hell.

[alpine lynx]

i did experienced it at 200 too, it was just ok

other than some performance issues

[hexed forge]

I not talking about those kind of issues.

I mean that literally Herbivores couldnt sustain themselves in Migrations.

[alpine lynx]

or its me becuase i really don't go to hotspots

[alpine lynx]

i mean currently we got patrol so it might be easier

[hexed forge]

Maybe, will have to try it out. But anyways, we are in the wrong channel.

[alpine lynx]

yes.

[snow jasper]

would be fun

but i'd rather not wait for another engine update

[regal sundial]

In my experience running around a little I have only seen people at the one pond in the north of western rail access, and south plains by the waterfall. Or fresh spawn ceratos in the north jungle past the volcano because their other spawn is locked

With a server of 95 players

[hexed forge]

Time to make this channel actually lore.

Sooo, my current belief is that the AUGUSTUS video and the Diablo video take place while the island was/is abandoned.

Thoughts?

[regal sundial]

Dibble one arguably happens in the future since allo isn't in game yet and it is teased at the end of the dibble video iirc. That could just be a situation of the lore compromising for the cirumstance of game development though.

[hexed forge]

Current game development /=/ Lore

Dont get confused

[regal sundial]

It definitely enfluences how lore is interpeted though

Clarifies and brings context removing ambiguity

Like is the island actually abandoned right now as it is in game? Or is it just a matter of that part of the development process not being finished?

[hexed forge]

Gateway ingame is abondoned yes, not functional.

(Confirmed by Don)

[lethal moat]

I don't think so

[regal sundial]

My point is the gateway map is still so placeholder that you cannot really draw any inferences about the lore from the state of it.

[lethal moat]

I partially agree to the second bit, but wouldn't call it placeholder

[regal sundial]

Work in progress is equally applicable

All of the lore relevant stuff definitely is placeholder or WIP since we can't get into the domes or underground stuff with the shadowy invisible walls and such.

And you can only draw so much meaning from random sporadic runs of fencing and little modular outposts.

[lethal moat]

The broken hyper fences are interesting, and the placment of said broken fences has been discussed

[regal sundial]

Majority of the fencing is in the north east right?

[muted reef]

[regal sundial]

If you discount the little walled antennas and depot bases or gates on roads

[hexed forge]

Majority/All of the broken fences are at NE, all pointing towards the Volcano

[muted reef]

What happened to the Gen 2 handling the dibble cam

[hexed forge]

Died and came back for a thousand lives

[regal sundial]

Still only comes out to about half of an entire closed enclosure

[muted reef]

The thing is...was it a gen 2

[regal sundial]

I'd need to watch it again but iirc they looked pretty normal not like

Gigachad

[muted reef]

It was the gen 2 model but we don't know if that model is even a gen 2 anymore

[hexed forge]

My belief is thats its a gen2

[muted reef]

Yeah tbh but the question is when was the video taken I think we answered that right

[regal sundial]

The fences seem to sort of meander a lot as well from what I have seen, like the one by the road to the volcano enternace

Doesn't really align with the vague semi-circle of the rest of the fencing

[hexed forge]

hmmm? Confused
(Green means Natural barrier)

What do you mean?

[regal sundial]

South more

[hexed forge]

oh this

[regal sundial]

South of the volcano yes

[hexed forge]

Thats just a case of the map not being finished

[hexed forge]

I think one of the Don quotes pretty much lean towards that being a gen2

[regal sundial]

Is this some interactive map site btw?

Or just a image

[hexed forge]

I think hes saying that Gen2 can count as human, so they would classify as both. In my opinion.

||I hate myself for saying Weo in that sentence, I dont even know what that means anymore. ||

[hexed forge]

https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/#side/cfg

[fast forge]

They were referring to the section of fence that confused you for a long time, because it's facing the wrong way

[regal sundial]

I do wonder if the fence is intended to continue southeast hugging the dome and connecting to the rest, or go straight south crossing the road and envelope it

[lethal moat]

I bet it links up with the dome

[acoustic osprey]

how I see it
is that due to the developmental aspect of Evrima
we can't pinpoint current Gateway to any "X" period of the 'lore timeline'
Because you're not supposed to, yet

that, basically, any visual media we see in-game and out of game that showcases Gateway (at the current moment) is not worth 100% canonising - looking at the Dibble video, which now it's visual representation of Gateway's grid 'map' is now inaccurate

however
we can still use the textual lore from those videos - like the information given about what they're doing with the Dibbles, the plants, AUGUSTUS, etc.

[regal sundial]

Yes this

We have no real chronological baseline due to the indevelopment nature of the game for the visuals.

[lethal moat]

We can get hints

[acoustic osprey]

This will definitely not be the case for Gateway once Evrima is made main branch and/or Gateway is, more or less, finished

hard to say when it's finished.
Because who knows.

but once we know the devs have finished their human overhaul and proper implementations
Then we can say "current Gateway is part of 'x' part in the timeline"

however
we can't also say everything on Gateway is NOT useful for current lore speculations and theories at the moment