isle-lore-theories

[silk jungle]

Yes

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1227334225989210122.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[lethal moat]

Imagine being to poor sod that high centers the big rig in the middle of a field

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-wtf-what-gif-14841105

I dont think I understand what you mean.

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, you would be left in a bad situation

[lethal moat]

mhm

[alpine lynx]

current gateway roads

[acoustic osprey]

(This is it)

Do note The current model is "OldHuman"
So we can't be for certain

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-surprised-you-cant-do-this-to-me-gif-24182893

[hexed forge]

No!!!

Impossible

Actually ima go check-

[snow jasper]

human is human

[hexed forge]

Oh no

The current Gen2 ingame is "Merc -old" on the dev screen.

[alpine lynx]

so we have a better playable gen2

since theres a playable that is just ''merc''

[hexed forge]

Yes, or perhaps a completely new model.

[alpine lynx]

maybe newer guns? better animations

[hexed forge]

Hopefully.

[acoustic osprey]

Just go to admin spec

[hexed forge]

I checked.

[acoustic osprey]

It is a good sign though for the development of humans though
If they regard them as oldhuman

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[low scarab]

eventuallyyyy 🎶 🎵

[hexed forge]

I hope we get to see the new gen2s soonish

[tall jay]

is any informations about neuro rex?

I found nothing else only this photo

[weak sparrow]

Hey guys, just wanted to know if the doc from Rumple is still up to date, and if not, could someone please give me an updated overview of clues and theories since then?

[acoustic osprey]

nothing... nothing...

[acoustic osprey]

the lore doc is always updated, don't you worry
every piece of information is up to date

IF there is an issue, I or Rump can see to it immediately

but it should be 99.99% correct (if not 100%)

[weak sparrow]

Alright, thank you very much!

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

if you have any questions about aspects from the doc (basically anything about lore that is brought up in the doc)
Please feel obliged to ping me or rumple

[weak sparrow]

What are your thoughts on the pre- and post-incident? Correct me if I'm wrong I'm still trying to figure out the lore. Apollo created in the 90s dinosaurs and Gen1s for whatever reason. Then something terrible happened (maybe sabotage or a rampaging subject). They lost most (all?) of their islands to the dinosaurs. In the present time with the production of Gen2 they send them to the islands to retrieve lost data and observe the dinosaurs. Did I get that right?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

Honestly
I should add a footnote to "the incident"

as it's a very 'hot' topic atm in terms of - it technically does and doesn't exist

it needs a better name but a slightly more described description would work though

as it seems like it wasn't likely "AN Incident"
but, more seemingly, several incidents - linked or unlinked to each other? Who knows

this links back to things like The TOMB, which we know was 'purged' ||albeit, Dondi has said that isn't truly the right word||

but we'd definitely like to know the full extent of what happened with it

because, originally, Dondi compared it to the destruction of the library of alexander

and uh...

is it as large (physically and/or metaphorically) as such?

but I'll answer the other questions

[weak sparrow]

So The TOMB was a place? where valuable data was stored and it got destroyed by these several incidents?

[acoustic osprey]

They lost most (all?) of their islands to the dinosaurs
if not this event (TOMB), then potentially a collaboration of other events - basically just being hit with BOOM over BOOM

In the present time with the production of Gen2 they send them to the islands to retrieve lost data and observe the dinosaurs.
This is basically on the line of our thought

like
we know it is isn't PCE - where they're sent to kill and destroy

and it seems like they're relatively peaceful/observant-esque people in the dossiers

so it seems likely

[acoustic osprey]

TOMB is a place - of sorts (can't be certain on the description of it being a 'place' besides that it likely is object-esque to some extent)

but it was, to our knowledge at the moment, a tomb / library for EIPs (Embyro Intelligence Profiles)

if you ever seen a video on legacy lore
EIPs might be a familiar name

[tall jay]

i know

but it`s only "official"

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of finding more photos
there's only those

[weak sparrow]

Any suggestions or clues pointing to the reason of these incidents and the following destruction of the tomb?

[acoustic osprey]

two ideas atm

"holy wars"
and rival companies

[nimble fractal]

My guess is that TOMB stores all the information in itself like a big library (which we know), but under "purged" Don probably meant:
A) someone got all the information and destroyed the rest
B) if it's a place, something big happened that AE lost the connection in it

[tall jay]

and there are at least the dimensions of an adult nuero rex?

[acoustic osprey]

i don't believe we ever got to that point? don't believe so at least

if there were
likely only the devs knew at the time

[weak sparrow]

What are "Holy Wars"?

And rival companies, like the poenix one or is this outdated legacy lore?

[tall jay]

ok

[nimble fractal]

Phoenix is outdated

[acoustic osprey]

Phoenix is no longer

all we have are acronyms sadly

[weak sparrow]

Those are?

[acoustic osprey]

EC and RF

[acoustic osprey]

i imagine, to define what Dondi meant, religious (ethical) activists finding out

the idea of EIPs, just generally, is enough for long religious, ethical and ontological ... 'discussions' ... if you catch my drift

[weak sparrow]

Something like the DPG from the Jurassic World Trilogy?

[weak sparrow]

Ah I see

[acoustic osprey]

similar
just likely not with/mainly about dinos

I mean
heck

They might even use the excuse of creating "long extinct" creatures, like dinosaurs, as another reason though

[nimble fractal]

Bob, what is our current theory why dinosaurs are necessary?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-star-lord-avengers-gif-14679783

[nimble fractal]

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

rough topic

and just to rub it in
apparently we answered it.

(in our podcast)

[weak sparrow]

So the "downfall" of The TOMB was not their own doing by creating something that rampaged and got out of control but rather from a third party?

[weak sparrow]

You have a podcast? Discussing The Isle lore?

[acoustic osprey]

seems like it
But
who's to say it still isn't their fault

albeit, yes, someone(s) did 'attack' TOMB
but i suppose there is always two sides to a coin

[acoustic osprey]

Aye!
Quite simply named The Isle Lore Podcast

we finally got a proper cover as well ...

[weak sparrow]

Where can I listen to it?

[acoustic osprey]

I can send the link!
It should be on spotify

not sure what other websites it's on as well - Rump knows

https://open.spotify.com/show/4nkw9nPzbZDfhb0k4LL8F3?si=7242e8b6de8b404c

[weak sparrow]

Damn thank you!

[acoustic osprey]

no worries
do enjoy if you listen to it

if you want painful yapping
listen to ep 2 and 3

if you don't
skip them

but apparently, iirc, we answered "why dinosaurs" in ep1

[weak sparrow]

Apollo having this NDA which is probalby more tight than any other conrtract in the world, I could imagine they got infiltrated, probably like Denis Nedry with InGen, and thus their own fault for being to sloppy?

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say sloppy to the level of John Hammond's general "rich" attitude

but likely linked to the aspect of god-ego

[weak sparrow]

Because I believe they have probably one of the if not the best (cyber)security in the world hence a breach from outside of apollo would seem unlikely

Apollo originated from agriculture right? And Don stated they got so rich because of food. Do they still follow this path and if so what do dinosaurs and strains have to do woith food? I can't figure that one out

But hanks for your time and your explanations, really fascinating!

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose we have to wait and see, painfully
How can a titan fall?

[acoustic osprey]

no worries!
I'd recommend checking in every few months if you want
Who knows what can change every few month recently

[nimble fractal]

My guess about why dinosaurs are necessary, is because Apollo wanted to discover new plants because modern didn't fit for experiments anymore, or wanted to try something totally new
But it could be that prehistoric plants were very vulnerable to the medicine/injected solutions
So AE had to first inject the solution into the dinosaur's body, so it will create special immunity to the toxicity of the injection (or something similar, you get the idea), so it can be later transferred safely into the plant

[weak sparrow]

Something like an antidote?

[nimble fractal]

In simple words yeah

Not an antidote though

Just re resistance so the plant doesn't die

@acoustic osprey thoughts?

[weak sparrow]

Ah I see

But what about strains? To ehance even further the resistance?

[nimble fractal]

And later, once they discovered that some medicine works on living creatures - why not move into animal engineering further? Probably that's what lead into the creation of dinosaurs, deeper experiments on them and observation.
And with time passing and new improvements found - why not use it on humans? To create a perfect human specimen, both of because how much dangerous it gets in the company and need for more personnel. No people would sign the contract knowing they can die any day. So why not to create a superengineered healthy human species, that will never leave the company because.... why? All they know is to work for AE

[acoustic osprey]

I do need to update this
It's been a general miscommunication that needs to be 'fixed'

just that they started with agriculture

(being that they actually started in Botany)

[weak sparrow]

I'm curious about a note in the doc that says that both rival companies were potential victims of Gen1. How's that?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[weak sparrow]

But I thought it was stated that their creations were not used as weapons?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
seems a bit juxtaposed

but I believe it's not their main/primary focus

we need more explanation

[weak sparrow]

What do you guys think happens with the employees that act in violation to their contracts? They are threatend to be taken into Tartatrus itself. What happens with them there? Are they turned into strains or something else? And what about their lineage being "displaced"?

[dawn arch]

yooooooooo that sounds cool and i think they just put a bullet in the violation employees a part of me hopes its gonna be like that one game where if you dont do your job right you die idk am not good with names it has something called statas quo

but maybe for some of the employees they put them in tartatrus depending on the violation i think some might be death or tartatrus a part of me doesnt know which ones hardest

[median shuttle]

maybe lineage displacement could mean youre turned into an EIP? getting your consciousness shoved into a dinosaur seems like a hellish punishment tbh

[dawn arch]

fnaf that what it makes me think of but that sounds cool

you turn into a dino but you must hunt to survive and kill other employees who have been turn into dinos and maybe even friends omg the lore that it could have and eat humans that you once trusted i wonder if they keep dinos in tartatrus to punish employess or to punish the dinos

[weak sparrow]

It's as we know of, a lab and not a jail right?

[dawn arch]

maybe its both

depending if you do your job right

[acoustic osprey]

could be a good part on why TOMB was attacked

[weak sparrow]

I like to imagine that Tartarus is something like the facility from The Cabin in the Woods where all of those nightmarish creatuers are stored away

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-not-i-dont-know-maybe-we-dont-know-gif-4965071280460852343

[dawn arch]

what is TOMB??

[weak sparrow]

So they took revenge on their former employer?

[dawn arch]

i need to catch up on the lore

[median shuttle]

maybe tartarus is a system of different facilities not a single thing, just like the replicator is a amalgomation of systems

[acoustic osprey]

AE's own library of alexander, of sorts
stores (?) EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

[dawn arch]

whats AE ans EIPs??

[acoustic osprey]

more so in reference to "holy wars"
You're turning them into CONSCIOUSNESS!?

[weak sparrow]

I thought the Replicator was stationed inside a cave?

[dawn arch]

:0

[median shuttle]

also... 1000 life contract might entail having clones of standby in case your human body dies

[dawn arch]

damn

[acoustic osprey]

AE = Apollo Engineering
company behind the game in-lore

EIP is a Embyro Intelligence Profile
Basically a human consciousness, put into a foreign body

[acoustic osprey]

i disagree, honestly

[dawn arch]

forgin body...???? DINOS?!?!?!

[acoustic osprey]

bit of a cop out to the idea of serving 1000 thousands

[acoustic osprey]

(in legacy) why'd you think the dinosaurs were acting like humans in-game?

[dawn arch]

HUH?!?!? omg the lore is becoming bigger

[weak sparrow]

I've heard about this 1000 life contract quiet often, what does it mean/entail?

[median shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1219346714587304077/The_Isle_Lore.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/537533110535979008/owe_apollo.png?ex=66d173b8&is=66d02238&hm=84fe1968bbd71ec6158b7124049de39aa2b629e8f582341fe0257b739d9b36ea&

[dawn arch]

that is in the lab am 100%

[acoustic osprey]

this is what we knew about it in Legacy

[dawn arch]

Apollo.... like the greek god lol

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[median shuttle]

we dont know yet... most we can do is speculate with what little info we do have

[acoustic osprey]

golden boy of Olympus

[dawn arch]

there has to be something with the sun now i guess

[dawn arch]

HAHAH yes

[acoustic osprey]

but Helios!!!

[median shuttle]

theres a bunch of ancient greek/roman symbolism and names used in this game

[dawn arch]

they should make a helios station

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[dawn arch]

can you tell me all of them or most of them

[weak sparrow]

But only by the death of your consciousness right, because you just get a new physical body if it die

[dawn arch]

i like greek myths

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=66d17841&is=66d026c1&hm=f003a133337f5f18f04e3a083960495bf7de1253ea9d10a75a3e062a11061828&

[median shuttle]

oof theres a bit...
Just to name a few:
-Apollo Engineering
-Olympus Transmitter
-Poseidon Entry
-Tartarus
-Augustus
-many more but I cant remember everything rn

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's more so
1000 deaths (for the contract)

[dawn arch]

OMG??? THE THREE KINGS

[weak sparrow]

Does that mean 1000 physical death equals real death?

[acoustic osprey]

"Only through [doing the 1000 lives] will you be free of this place"

[dawn arch]

wait i have an idea of what that means

[acoustic osprey]

more so, i presume, doing the contract
so completing those 1000 lives

[dawn arch]

kill 1000 lives or die 1000 lives tho elder or dying

[acoustic osprey]

the latter

[dawn arch]

do you think they'll tell us more in-game

[acoustic osprey]

most likely

[dawn arch]

and also why are there buildings that have no sign of humans?? only their stuff and most dinos can come in side what do you think thats about

[median shuttle]

maybe once you've grown 1000 Elders we get some more lore revalations?

[dawn arch]

yes

[weak sparrow]

There were several incidents that caused Apollo to leave/evacuate the islands

What these incidents were is not known currently

[acoustic osprey]

oh damn, this actually might be the case

never really thought about it like that

[dawn arch]

yea. did they say anything or names anything after one of the titans

[median shuttle]

we dont know for sure if all of AE's Islands are all abandoned, there could be some still active that we dont know about yet

[weak sparrow]

Atleast those we as a player were able to play on

[dawn arch]

bc it would be cool if there were kronos in taurtrus maybe a room

[weak sparrow]

Is the matriarch still a thing or was it scratched with the other old lore?

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/ralphwiggum-smart-simpsons-gif-5270199

[dawn arch]

whats the matriach??

[weak sparrow]

How did Don put it

[dawn arch]

wait have an idea about tautrus

[weak sparrow]

Organsim that consumes bio mass and adapts part of its features?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[median shuttle]

https://youtu.be/LQyui_AoKp0?si=M06CKZAtTZjtBF-w
this is a great exploration of the concept

[dawn arch]

Maybe there a room of titans names kronos and his brothers and in olymplos there rooms named after them

[weak sparrow]

Does that mean the matriarch plays a role in the evrima lore?

[acoustic osprey]

only by one reference atm from Don

[weak sparrow]

Ah alright

[dawn arch]

matriarch!!! they said they have big hunger and needs lots of food so they must be on a hunting run and killing lots of things to stay full dont you think if they were in the isle lots of dinos must group up to kill them maybe thats why there isnt a lot of them i think

[weak sparrow]

Wasn't there only one?

[acoustic osprey]

matriarch potentially had children

[dawn arch]

were the childern cute

[weak sparrow]

Speaking of Augustus, it seems like Apollo?? personnel was surprised to see the Herrera adapting to climbing trees, just like with Sherley and Dean. Did they make the same mistake as InGen, underestimating their creations or like Malcolm once said "life always finds a way"?

[dawn arch]

OH maybe

ngl Apollo is kinda crazy making dinos

[median shuttle]

I do firmly believe apollo is pretty hubristic and overestimate their ability to control things, that stuff happens when you try to play god

[dawn arch]

yea the really did just name them self after a god

[acoustic osprey]

Or that of The Replicator

we only know "SYNTH" dinos (dinosaurs created by the machine) to contain anomalous aspects like such

[median shuttle]

I think Ikarus Corp would be more appropriate

[acoustic osprey]

Ikarios.

[dawn arch]

Ikarus corp?

idk what that is tho

[weak sparrow]

Do you refer to the Replicator with the machine?

[acoustic osprey]

that's what Don referred to it as such

[acoustic osprey]

(they mean Icarus)

[median shuttle]

myth of Ikarus (or Ikarios or Ikaros there's many pronounciations @acoustic osprey -_-)
flying with wax wings, flying too close to the sun; wax melts, Ikarus falls into the sea and dies

[acoustic osprey]

wrongly put a "k" for "c" !!
should know the Romanised version of Ikarios has no "k"
as the roman "k" was spealt as "c"

[dawn arch]

yoo icarus in the game or they mean they are acting like icarus

[dawn arch]

i know that one but i know the name of them to be icarus

[acoustic osprey]

that's the roman name

[dawn arch]

OH

[acoustic osprey]

like Heracles
Which is referred to as Hercules by the Romans

[dawn arch]

alr

[weak sparrow]

So Apollo gets to ambitious with their goals and that leads to their downfall?

[dawn arch]

think so

[median shuttle]

theres tons of different pronounciations/spellings since it stems from an ancient language. the way it's spelled in germany is ikarus

[dawn arch]

oooo thats interesting

[acoustic osprey]

which comes from the roman "c" (in german)
which comes from the greek "k"

[median shuttle]

I would say that's highly likely

[acoustic osprey]

hence why Romans said "Caesar"
and Germans say "Kaiser"

[median shuttle]

funny how one guys name just became a title if you think abt it

[weak sparrow]

And Apollo probably has no control over the machine

[acoustic osprey]

caesar was just the most popular anyways

Romans really had to be more than just saying "imperator"

[acoustic osprey]

depends
we do have to see this relationship between the replicator and AE

[median shuttle]

not just talking about romans, even tsar stems from caesar

[acoustic osprey]

Caesar was just the most popular due to his and his dynasty's large military might and legacy

funny how big a legacy it was

people think he was an imperator of the empire himself lol

[alpine lynx]

they do if i don't remember wrong

[acoustic osprey]

we've never really known

[alpine lynx]

well atleast they must

its their own creation

[acoustic osprey]

what is control

[acoustic osprey]

is it?

[weak sparrow]

The Replicator did give life to the all the human creations and the dinosaurs and strains right? So they had to have control over it atleast at one time in their history

[alpine lynx]

maybe?

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
we don't know 100% for sure yet

[alpine lynx]

not all humans just gen2's

[weak sparrow]

But the Gen1s worship it as a god dont they?

[acoustic osprey]

(we don't know, night)

[alpine lynx]

no idea

[acoustic osprey]

more or less yes

[median shuttle]

night? as in youre going to sleep or did you mean to type might

[alpine lynx]

nope he meant me

[median shuttle]

oooh

[weak sparrow]

Are these "SYNTH" dinosaurs probably those with a human consciousness?

[acoustic osprey]

no

[median shuttle]

idk, you live across the globe from me, could be that youre going to bed

[alpine lynx]

i don't think we know that or not

we really don't know if augustus or shirley had EIP or not

[weak sparrow]

Could explain why they behave abonrmal compared to the "normal" dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/return-the-patrick-star-show-patrick-star-patrick-earth-gif-22046730

[alpine lynx]

ask isaac

[acoustic osprey]

I was referring to Nghtx

[acoustic osprey]

Not naturally nested. Nothing really perturbing occurs from wild-born animals. It's all the lab things that go sideways and get invested in for interesting results.

this is only what we know at the moment

hence why it may be linked with the replicator doing some funny things

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-theisle-the-isle-lore-lore-gif-19857045

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-pirates-of-the-carribean-gif-15127372

[dawn arch]

Lore

[acoustic osprey]

true

[weak sparrow]

What's the relationship between the different creations of Apollo. Are they all hostile towards each other or does some kind of symbiotic relationship between them exists?

[alpine lynx]

i don't think theres a symbiotic relationship between apollo's creations

[dawn arch]

the creations are the dinos right am pretty sure they made the dinos

[alpine lynx]

i mean yeah

humans made the dinosaurs

[dawn arch]

yoo

[alpine lynx]

@acoustic osprey right? i dont wanna spread missinformation

[weak sparrow]

But Echidna has one with the Eyeless right?

[alpine lynx]

what wdym

[weak sparrow]

The Neuronetic Mastermind has a connection with the Eyeless, the former cannibals of old legacy lore

[alpine lynx]

eyeless is pretty much scrapted so

[weak sparrow]

It is?

[alpine lynx]

yes

we have gen1's instead of eyeless

[weak sparrow]

Aren't they different creations?

[alpine lynx]

gen1 and eyeless?

[weak sparrow]

Yes, they are described as different species I thought

@acoustic osprey We need your infinite Isle Lore wisdom

[alpine lynx]

eyeless literally got replaced by gen1's

and they pretty much have diffirent lore behind it i guess

[sonic rampart]

Eyeless are "generation 1.5" (not actually) and still exist in lore

[weak sparrow]

And they are connected to the echidna right?

[sonic rampart]

Not sure if that still holds

[weak sparrow]

Oh, did something change?

[alpine lynx]

alot of things changed in evrima lol

[acoustic osprey]

AE
but also The Replicator

to what we believe

[weak sparrow]

Well yes, but I thought that would've been up to date

[alpine lynx]

nope most of the legacy lore is outdated

[weak sparrow]

But the Eyeless one is not outdated

And I thought Echidna had some sort of connection to them

[alpine lynx]

we don't know

[low scarab]

That was my understanding as well

[weak sparrow]

But what changed? Were there new clues or hints by the devs?

[alpine lynx]

about what btw

[weak sparrow]

Because Vraptor and Lunary said that they are not sure anymore if this conneciton between them still exists

[alpine lynx]

i believe we don't have anything about it

i don't remember don talking about it

[hexed forge]

Used to in legacy lore.

We aren't sure if that's the case in evrima tho.

[weak sparrow]

Ah I think I got it now. The Devs kept Echidna and the Cannibals (now Eyeless) in lore but the former connection between them is not yet confirmed

[lethal moat]

Well cannibals are gen 1, and the eyeless are still the eyeless

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180

[bold crater]

I wanna say Eyeless are still a separate thing 😮

But then again, we've seen eyeless Gen 1.....

[lethal moat]

They are

[bold crater]

I remember in a stream ages ago, Don saying their real name can't be said because it'd reveal how you acquire them.
I wonder if that's still the case.

[lethal moat]

I’m betting it’ll have something to do with sacrifice amending DEIMOS project

[bold crater]

DEIMOS....yeah!
-# I forgot what that is

Okay just read up on the lore document, I think I get it now.

Also whilst reading, I realized something about the Echidna....

This is prolly a shot in the dark, but hear me out.

The Echidna is said to be capable of perfectly mimicking the voices of others.
Troodon is said to also be capable of mimicking certain sounds.
Troodon was mentioned to be the result of a "what if we did this" with a particular, currently unreleased species.

What if said species is tied to Neurotenics? Echinda mimics, Troodon mimics, so maybe? I guess that'd make Troodon indirectly related as well. Might explain it's unnerving stature and possible high intelligence (though the latter hasn't been referenced in-game/lore so far, but it was theorized to be quite smart in reality).

[lethal moat]

Could be

[bold crater]

🙏

[lethal moat]

I would say, perfectly replicating voices and mimicking voices could be unrelated, but there is the possibility

[bold crater]

Very true. It's prolly nothing but just thought it was interesting heehee
I'm trying to get more into the l o r e

[lethal moat]

Want an invite to the lore server? There’s a few more resources there than the pinned comments here

[bold crater]

Sure! 😄

[weak sparrow]

May I have one aswell?:o

[lethal moat]

Sure

[snow jasper]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNnJ0bXhyMnM1YXVraGcxemVtYXExaHQ5bnBuNjhvb3AzZmIzOWV4aSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Hloo0Lv97Sw72owSRA/giphy.gif

[weak sparrow]

We are not unknowingly joining Apollo with that invite right? Aint no way I wanna see Tartarus from the inside

[hexed forge]

Find out

[snow jasper]

I have a meme idea but I do not have the patience to make it

[lethal moat]

I’ve only got 1 class today and a 4 day weekend, I might have time

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cipher-deal-gravity-falls-bill-gif-24213083

[weak sparrow]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExanR5dnpnZXlrM3I0bGJkZW04d2hqajd4bmlqYnZocG50M2F4cnM2OSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/32mC2kXYWCsg0/giphy.webp

[lethal moat]

I would like for us to know more about the employee application process and the thousand life contract tho

[weak sparrow]

We discussed this topic with @acoustic osprey few hours ago. It's absolutely terrifying to think that you have to die 1000 deaths in physical bodies before you get out of Apollo. Gosh, what effects that would have on your consciousness/mind I dare not to imagine.

[lethal moat]

And, what do they get out if it

[weak sparrow]

Research probably

Side effects of EIPs etc.

[lethal moat]

The people who sign the contract tho, they need some incentive to sign it

[weak sparrow]

Probably an immortal body? I suspect the thousand life contract only enacts as a punishment, for personnel that try to aquire data out of their clearence level or something like that

[lethal moat]

Well it’s a contract, they have to choose to sign it

[weak sparrow]

Yep, so it must be something that is potentially dying a thousand times worth it

[lethal moat]

[weak sparrow]

I presume they grant you maybe an advanced version of a Gen2 body or even Gen3 if I'm allowed to be so bold. They behave like a good little employee so nothing will happen to them. I don't really know what you could offer to people that they would make such a deal

[lethal moat]

Gen 3 is not a known thing

But maybe

[weak sparrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-season-5-3ohzAdVk6QUKnNDZPW

[lethal moat]

Maybe strains

[weak sparrow]

Being transfered into a strain? Aren't they all locked up in Tartarus?

[hexed forge]

Doubt thats a thing, but maybeeeee.

What could Gen 3 even be? The trinity?

[alpine lynx]

i think they are supposed to be locked up

[lethal moat]

Move them there and feed them the hyper juice

Or grow them there, I’m not picky

[lethal moat]

I hate it

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[weak sparrow]

Jokes aside, maybe they could be these behemoths of a human with fast twitching muscles beyond imagination, non aging bodies and immune system that can fend off nearly every disease

[lethal moat]

I’m interested to see what is meant when AE has rivals, is it like Pepsi and Coca Cola where it’s a struggle, or like American Defense Contractors, where they compete, but also work together when need be

[lethal moat]

At that point, just create a new species and use EIPs to change what it means to be human (I am an enjoyer of this theory)

[snow jasper]

Sabotaging eachother

[lethal moat]

My question remains unchanged

There isn’t one set archetype for rivalry and competition

[weak sparrow]

I'm not sure if in this kind of business there's much room for cooperation, there's probably a constant sense of distrust between them. They work with heavily questionable methods and under strict non-disclosure regulations with no official protection from any government. I imagine (even though it's old lore) to be something like operation inferno the whole time, just sabotaging and stealing from others to be always a step ahead of your rivals. If you lend a hand to your "competitors" they'll probably rip it off and take everything from you.

[lethal moat]

Right, but if a higher power tells you to play nice and work with the other company, you both stand to gain from that

[hexed forge]

AE airdrops Gen1s to destroy rival company property, theres clearly no sense of cooperation with eachother, they probably do hate eachother.

[weak sparrow]

Is that confirmed or just peculation?

[hexed forge]

Confirmed.

[lethal moat]

You’d be surprised

[hexed forge]

They Airdrop Gen1s on rival company territory.

[strange shell]

It's a friendly airdrop

[lethal moat]

A gift

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1227334225989210122.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[strange shell]

That makes me think however, if Gen 1s are used for "military" (let's say combat instead) purpose, they must have something that makes them better than hiring a bunch of mercenaries

[weak sparrow]

They dont murder everyone in their labs, they put them to softly to sleep

[hexed forge]

Gen1s can be massproduced, while hiring mercs.... yeah.

[strange shell]

I don't believe they would be more cost-efficient than hired guns, unless producing them is basically free

[lethal moat]

Inhuman speed and agility, as well as natural weapons I would guess

[weak sparrow]

They are probably way stronger, way faster and ferocious like rabies infected animals

[strange shell]

But are they better than a hillbilly with a shotgun ?

[hexed forge]

Stealth.

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-place-monster-alien-gif-22491042

[lethal moat]

Clide is loud and leaves a mess, gen 1 are more of a “where did they go” situation I imagine

[hexed forge]

Yeahhh

[lethal moat]

I really hope gen 1 can cling to ceilings

[weak sparrow]

And they won't betray you in a "I'm telling others of what you are doing here" way and ask no questions. I could imagine that at some point a merc, would potentially snap

Every human is different but Gen1s (technically called humans but sure not look like one) are all the same

[lethal moat]

Might not even be smart enough to think of that lol

Search, disable, and retrieve enemy employees and give it to the replicator

Normal employees will take it from there

[weak sparrow]

Wouldn't they just sacrifice them to the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Depends

[hexed forge]

Sacrifice who to the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Rival employees

There needs to be a reason gen 1 captures them alive

[hexed forge]

Why do they need to capture them alive?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[weak sparrow]

Turning them into EIPs?

[lethal moat]

That seems risky, but maybe

[hexed forge]

I feel like if they want to capture a lead employee they would use gen2s, or just hired mercs.

Gen1s could be used to just.. destroy.

https://tenor.com/view/a-quiet-place-a-quiet-place-day-one-day-1-death-angel-gif-10754869587609128250

[lethal moat]

Then why would gen 1 be incentivized to capture people alive

[weak sparrow]

But their perfect stealth would be better at infiltrating locations than mercs

[hexed forge]

Funny enough, we haven't gotten a confirmation on gen1s being super stealthy.

[lethal moat]

That’s just an assumption, yeah

[weak sparrow]

Hm, you are probably right.

[lethal moat]

But gen 1 can capture gen 2 alive, what reason would they have to do this? Bodies are a lot easier to move than struggling individuals

[weak sparrow]

How are they even being controlled by Apollo? By some sort of brainchip?

[lethal moat]

Maybe they don’t need to be controlled

[hexed forge]

They could be like dogs, just train them to do a couple commands.

[weak sparrow]

Pretty risky because dogs can get out of control no?

[lethal moat]

Yep

[weak sparrow]

If they lack intelligence, they could probably view Apollo Employees as part of their family/pack

[lethal moat]

I see them as intelligent animals, they sort of do their own thing and that vaguely lines up with what AE wants from them

[weak sparrow]

Then why bothering with them?

[lethal moat]

I imagine that gen 1 were intended to be better, but are used for defense, even though they didn’t really meet the standards of what they were designed for

[formal venture]

I don't know if evrima made this not canon, but tribals did the sacrifices for the replicator, it would make sense that live targets would be more valuable for tribals than just killing

[low scarab]

I feel like we overlook the idea gen 1 wasn’t the intended product they were more or less repurposed

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 do capture things alive for sacrifices, yes, but why are the sacrifices necessary

[low scarab]

To please the replicator?

[hexed forge]

Were they?

[weak sparrow]

To create more Gen1s maybe? They worship the replicator

[lethal moat]

Now why do they want that (they being AE, not gen 1)

[hexed forge]

~~Benifits from The Replicator. ~~

oh

[lethal moat]

Worship is a strong word

[weak sparrow]

I thought they view it as some kind of god?

[formal venture]

The replicator was stated to favour based on sacrifices, perhaps it views killing as just the tribals doing what they have to to survive, while sacrifices are given to it

[hexed forge]

Maybe AE doesnt want that, Gen1s perhaps didnt even worship The Replicator while AE had control over the islands.

[lethal moat]

Yes, but what about the replicator necessitates those human sacrifices being a thing? Seems counterintuitive to encourage your assets to kill people, unless you just want to have a stockpile of bodies of people who infiltrate the island

[low scarab]

Yea they were the byproduct of creating gen 2

[hexed forge]

Thats not confirmed.

[low scarab]

Why would ae want to please the replicator?

[hexed forge]

Thats just a theory

[weak sparrow]

The Replicator is AI after all, right? Maybe it wants to research human biology to do its own creations. Maybe it went rogue?

[low scarab]

I thought don confirmed that somewhere

[hexed forge]

No

[lethal moat]

Why would AE want human sacrifices

[low scarab]

Same here

[lethal moat]

They know where they come from

[low scarab]

I didn’t know ae wanted specifically human sacrifices

[formal venture]

They probably wouldnt, but that's the only reason tribals help them

[hexed forge]

I feel like that would fit in the "They see it as its god" category.

[lethal moat]

Do you see your parents as gods?

[weak sparrow]

That probably depends on their intelligence. If I knew I was made in a lab, I would probably be pretty angry

[lethal moat]

It’s a bunch of systems used to create life, that likely includes some sort of artificial intelligence

[hexed forge]

In some religions, the thing that created the human species is the god.

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[formal venture]

Would you see a creator that gives you reincarnation as a god?

Probably

[hexed forge]

^

[lethal moat]

If I’m not smart enough to know what a god is, no

[formal venture]

But tribals do

That's why they sacrifice

[weak sparrow]

If they are more beastly than human they probably think of the replicator as their pack leader/alpha

[lethal moat]

They don’t tho

[lethal moat]

The giver of benefits

[hexed forge]

Wait so, they dont understand how to worship? Dont understand how they are created?

[lethal moat]

They aren’t intelligent enough to worship

[hexed forge]

I see

[weak sparrow]

If they are not intelligent enough to worship, then they probably dont bring the replicator sacrifices either

I guess they just bring it food in their pov?

[formal venture]

I don't really get how tribals who work together, build structures and "tame" dinosaurs can't worship
But that's just my view

[hexed forge]

Taming dinosaurs and building structures isnt confirmed

All of that is legacy lore

[lethal moat]

They don’t tame dinos, we don’t know how/if they work together, and we haven’t heard any updates on structures in awhile

[meager junco]

But Gen 1 hut

[formal venture]

Yeah, most of the things I said were from concepts but they do work together to some extent

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-25913746

[lethal moat]

I think the replicator rewards them off of actions, rather than off of the physical body of the victim, so the replicator rewards them for killing things in from of where it sees the act
So gen 1 moves the victim to an area with cameras so that the replicator can see the act and use that evidence as reason to give gen 1 benefits

[lethal moat]

How do you know?

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ewok-run-runaway-run-away-эвок-gif-12067990112902094318

[hexed forge]

Thats possible

[hexed forge]

Is that Jolly

[meager junco]

Maybe

[formal venture]

They are still human, they can't hunt alone

[lethal moat]

They’re human?

[weak sparrow]

But how would that benefit the replicator?

[fast forge]

I'd say so, yes

[hexed forge]

Disagree

[lethal moat]

I think the replicator is designed to create beings that can survive well, thus, rewarding those that survive, simulating evolution, rewarding certain actions, like killing competition

[lethal moat]

I also disagree

[fast forge]

probably not Homo sapiens but maybe another species

[formal venture]

Not Human, the point is that they are inperfect clones, but they can't hunt effectively alone so they must be in packs, and if they have the capacity they probably still crave social interactions, However little

[lethal moat]

They’re clones?

[formal venture]

Their canon name is gen 1

They are inperfect attempts to make humans

[lethal moat]

Create might be a better word

[strange shell]

I don't think they're an attempt to make humans

[formal venture]

Yeah I agree

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[strange shell]

They're way past the point of "something isn't right" when it comes to being humanlike

[formal venture]

Because they are the first attempt

[lethal moat]

They are not human, they are a disturbed hyperbole of human traits

[fast forge]

Scientists in the field of human systematics can't even define the Homo genus, how can you say Gen 1 isn't included?

[hexed forge]

I believe that their creation was on purpose (As Don said), with the purpose to be used as a retaliatory product by AE.

[strange shell]

I mean
It's hard to mess up this hard

[formal venture]

True

[strange shell]

Like
They're half dinos

[hexed forge]

Blood thirsty too I would say

[fast forge]

I think they are more human than dino
by percent

[meager junco]

I think more happy accident

[strange shell]

It's like AE was
"How do we create humans ?"
"Try mixing a monkey with a t-rex"
sometime later
"WOW it didn't work"

[weak sparrow]

Maybe that's why Apollo wants their victims alive. To sort of sacrifice them to create new organisms for them?

[lethal moat]

You can create something on purpose, mess it up, and then still use that messed up thing

[snow jasper]

Gen 1 is a freak of nature, it came to be, against the laws of nature
The replicator took life into its arms and forged with nothing but the resources at its disposal

[lethal moat]

Eh

[fast forge]

doesn't mean it's not human, especially since the line used by biologists isn't even discrete

[formal venture]

I feel it's possible gen 1 were more accurate, but constant revives by the replicator has made them devolve to adapt to dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

As bubulblu said, how can you mess up that badly?

[lethal moat]

I don’t think gen 1 are mix of human and dino, I think it’s an original being that the replicator though would be good at surviving

[meager junco]

That sounds like my first theory on here lol

[lethal moat]

You aren’t specific enough

[fast forge]

Wait

Aren't Gen 1 listed under "Humans" in the character select screen?

[formal venture]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Just tell an ai you want it to look like a human, but be stronger, faster, with better eyes, and capable of surviving an environment with dinosaurs and you could get gen 1

[lethal moat]

For now

[hexed forge]

"Hey lets create a human that is smart, strong, and is able to do complex tasks"

Outcome: Bloodthirsty nonintelligent beings.

[fast forge]

lack of evidence is not evidence

[formal venture]

No they are probably gonna be humans forever

[lethal moat]

Yep

[hexed forge]

Old UI!!!

[snow jasper]

Well that begs the question, what makes a human a human?
Is it something that's the product of a single line of ancestry right from the very moment life itself came to be
Or is it something that fits the criteria of a human anatomy?
Or is it something undefined?

Is an extra-terrestrial a human merely because it has everything a human does, but slightly different?

[strange shell]

Gen 1 are very clearly different from humans
They're not like, deformed or slightly off in some way
That's completely different beings

[formal venture]

Try comparing tribals to a trex

[strange shell]

The only thing that looks human about them is that they walk (mostly) on 2 legs

[formal venture]

That's an exaggeration

[lethal moat]

General body structure

[fast forge]

this is the point I've made previously, even to biologists the line of "this species" and "that species" is not well defined

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/a-quiet-place-day-one-a-quiet-place-death-angel-a-quiet-place-day-1-a-quiet-place-death-angels-gif-15021035316779473270

[lethal moat]

You guys able to join a vc to discuss this better?

[meager junco]

The only thing is, when I showed don that theory and asked if it’s accurate he said “it is not.” Might’ve had some accurateness but overall theory was disapproved

[fast forge]

I see no reason to think Gen 1 aren't human, especially if the game says so

[hexed forge]

I will only be able to listen but sure

[snow jasper]

I would not call it human, because it didn't come from a line of humans, its existence was forged

[formal venture]

Can't, sorry

[fast forge]

I'm at work, gotta go in like 30 seconds

[strange shell]

I could
But I don't want to

[hexed forge]

Lol

[meager junco]

I’m on my last break

[lethal moat]

For those that do want to vc, I’m in lorecord

[fast forge]

@hexed forge @lethal moat
I'd love to hear your reasons why you think they are not human, I'll check back on this chat later

[lethal moat]

The simple fact that they are artificially crafted, rather than by evolution and natural selection is enough for me

Imma make a poll in lorecord rq as well

[strange shell]

There is no "they were not intended to be human, but in the end they are human" option
This is a fake poll

You're railroading us to your preferred narrative

[hexed forge]

They arent humans because they lack intelligence, and also AE uses them as a product

They are defined by AE as a weapon. Thats all I need.

[lethal moat]

I'll add that

[strange shell]

Thank you, rump

[formal venture]

My take on humans

I made this in flipaclip don't bully

[nimble fractal]

They are not humans with morales
They are intellegent monsters
That's the difference

[lethal moat]

I can partially agree with the idea behind this

[hexed forge]

Just realized that my second point could be turned to a real-life history comparison...

[lethal moat]

Eugenics is a very touchy subject that I hope is brought up at some point

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[lethal moat]

Here are the early results, we'll see what changes, but this is what people believe

[lethal moat]

Also, do you want an invite to the lore server

[formal venture]

Also I feel the need to point out that AE uses tribals probably just because, they can't kill them as the replicator will bring them back so why not use them

[formal venture]

Sure

[lethal moat]

They are a useful deterrant

[hexed forge]

They were defined by AE as a weapon, a product. Thats all I need to not classify them as humans.

Their lack of intelligence is another point.

[formal venture]

They are human in comparison to the dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

Humans have been products in the past

[hexed forge]

True...

[formal venture]

They are practically monsters in our eye

[lethal moat]

Humans can be monsters

[hexed forge]

I feel like the one of the main things that can define a person as human or not is their intelligence.

[lethal moat]

I'd argue that gen 2 also aren't human
They can be people, but I don't think they can be human

[lethal moat]

Is a Newborn less human than an adult?

[strange shell]

Guys the question has been answered already
What makes us human as a species is cooking

[hexed forge]

View it like this.

Homo Species? Yes or no.

Yes = Human
No = How intelligent are they?

Good intelligence or not.

Its like one of those weird things that keep continueing if its a no.

[strange shell]

And if I meet an animal that can cook I'll gladly consider them human

[lethal moat]

I disagree

My bar for human is "are they from humans"

[formal venture]

Why the tribals do stuff for the repilcator

Again Flipaclio

[hexed forge]

Hmmm

[lethal moat]

Ehhhhh
I think reincarnation is a guaruntee, but upgrades are not

[formal venture]

True but if you help the thing causing it you are probably gonna get upgrades

[lethal moat]

#isle-discussion message I think this is a relevant quote

[formal venture]

Dondi only confirmed that self sacrifice isn't going to help and that this isn't some forced contract

Unless I red into it wrong

[strange shell]

If you gave me the opportunity to become a cool monke who can also be reincarnated into an even cooler monke an infinite amount of times you won't need to force me

[lethal moat]

Upgrades
Gen 1 -> more powerful gen 1 -> the eyeless

[formal venture]

Agreed

Tribals will always do it but the repilcator isn't making them do it

[lethal moat]

I get the feeling sacrifice probably wasn't an intended feature of gen 1s, but something they figured out

Exploiting the way the replicator works

[formal venture]

Yeah I think that makes sense

[hallow rover]

Regarding that poll, i voted that they were never intended to be humans because how could you screw up making a human so bad and end up making a perfectly adapted killer. That was my thought process, they look to well adapted to be accidental.

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

mhm

That's the thought that made the poll in the first place

[formal venture]

Look at how evrima strains seem to work, after elder growth 100% get the chance to get perks or get strains

[lethal moat]

Hell nah, seems too easy to me

[formal venture]

That seems like a mini version of how tribals and cannibals work

[lethal moat]

I would agree with this, I'd like gen 1 gameplay to be mutations on steroids

[hexed forge]

Thats way too easy, I want it to be super challenging to get it. Like REALLY hard.

[fast forge]

I mean biologically, not morally/philosophically

and literally in game they are called humans

[formal venture]

Try slogging through 5 hours of growth and then keeping a rex as it gets progressively weaker to get one life as a strain

[fast forge]

this seems clear-cut to me

[formal venture]

That seems a bit easier for things like carno but it's still hard

[lethal moat]

Way too easy imo

[hexed forge]

Outdated UI

[formal venture]

The reason I said this was that when asked about elder growth, dondi said you could get a perk or "become something more" so it's not definitely strains but that's the only thing that makes sense

But yeah I would like more requirements

[lethal moat]

I think elders can be a part of that process, but strains should be extremely rare due to how insane they are

[lethal moat]

I agree with you on this, I’m hoping UI change brings some valuable info

[formal venture]

Yeah if I'm completely honest I don't think hypos should be added at all

Tissot and neuro sure

But hypo ruins the game for everyone else

[nimble fractal]

Moral is what makes a human - human
Biologically - they are another genus, it's like saying apes are humans

[fast forge]

it still says it

[hexed forge]

Outdated UI

Shouldnt be viewed as lore

[formal venture]

Disagree, it's what makes homo sapiens how they are

[hexed forge]

The loading screen says a bunch of legacy stuff, should we take that as lore?

no.

[formal venture]

Best thing we got

[lethal moat]

I want neuro to have comparable levels of power in different ways

[fast forge]

it's more evidence than the counter argument

[hexed forge]

Its evidence that shouldnt be used as evidence ,

[fast forge]

there is no evidence they are not human

[fast forge]

why not? it's legacy so it's not 100% but a ton of stuff from legacy carried over

heck, you were talking about site 12 just the other day

[lethal moat]

They are designed and created by a machine, that’s enough for me

[hexed forge]

Legacy Gen1 was a lot different than evrima gen1.

A lot of stuff couldve changed.

[snow jasper]

^

[fast forge]

how does that matter? humans can't be made by a machine? in vitro fertilization exists

[hexed forge]

Yes yes, but, Legacy gen1 is not similar to Evrima gen1 at all.

[formal venture]

From what we know these are the constantly confirmed strains:

Hypo is brute strength at the cost of high hunger
Tisso is stealth and damages gen 2 at the cost of strength
Neuro is disruption and does well against well armed gen 2 and tribal

[hexed forge]

In legacy, they couldve been described as Humans sure.

In evrima.. could they?

[formal venture]

Idc about magna or the o strain

[lethal moat]

That still comes from a human, there is no human in gen 1

[nimble fractal]

Hypo.

[lethal moat]

Both scrapped

[fast forge]

y'all are crazy, it literally says human above their name

[hexed forge]

Which is outdated!!!

[lethal moat]

Tisso is regeneration, and potentially stealth

[hexed forge]

Its a Ctrl C Ctrl V from legacy

[fast forge]

show me how you know they are 0% human by genome

[formal venture]

I can't state this more
THEY ARE HUMAN COMPARED TO THE DINOSAURS

[lethal moat]

Are centaurs human?

[nimble fractal]

Then compare to humans

[snow jasper]

Unless you mean to tell me that Gen 1 shares the exact genetic code as a human or any pre-existing species of the Homo genus
theres no way Gen 1 is human, even then, I'd still not be convinced they're human with the given

[lethal moat]

Dinosaurs are not the standard for judging how human something is

[formal venture]

They are

[nimble fractal]

How so

[fast forge]

do they have any human dna?
if they do they are at least partially human

[hexed forge]

If gen 1 is a human than Rumple is a cryptid!!!

(Lightening up the mood with jokes)

[nimble fractal]

NO WAY!!!

[snow jasper]

real

[formal venture]

That was an accidental reply but let's see how the isles menu works

[formal venture]

Two groups: dinosaurs and human
Four subgroups: carni herbi and then tribal merc

[fast forge]

I plan on asking Don if they have a species name

'Homo' anything would mean they are human

[lethal moat]

Partially human and human are very different

[vocal relic]

Doesn’t is also mean “same”?

[lethal moat]

Chimpanzees as an example, very human like, but not human

[fast forge]

bad example

[snow jasper]

thats a very bad example

[formal venture]

Homo is man

[fast forge]

Homo ergaster is human, but different than us

[formal venture]

Eg. Don't cancel me twitter but homosexual means love of man

Homo means man

[vocal relic]

Oh I just caught up in conversation, yeah in terms of philogyny that’s true. I was thinking linguistically though, yknow? “Homophone” comes to mind

But that’s irrelevant obviously

[formal venture]

Oh yeah that makes sense too

But no homo means man in these cases

[fast forge]

so we should throw out everything you said about Site 12 the other day?

[lethal moat]

The reason I bring this up is because of the similarities in human and chimpanzee dna, they are very similar, but that small difference is enough to make them non-human

[formal venture]

Ok another flip a clip is coming

[fast forge]

yes and we share 90% of our genome with lettuce

[hexed forge]

This conversation is different, because we KNOW what evrima gen1 is. And its NOT similar to Legacy gen1.

My Site 12 theories are being blackmailed

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles2-writing-math-robert-parr-gif-15694499

[fast forge]

They are very similar wdym

[snow jasper]

Gen 1 is Gen 1

[fast forge]

how are they different?

[lethal moat]

Exactly, my point is, there is very little requirement for something to become nonhuman, I’d say gen 1 hits those requirements

[snow jasper]

discord bugged out and I just bypassed to slowmode what???

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-po-give-me-a-minute-eating-give-me-a-second-gif-21975407

This. Is Legacy gen1.

Not even described as gen1, they were called Tribals.

[fast forge]

my point is y'all are going off very slim criteria to define it as non human

especially when it says human in the UI

[lethal moat]

I think the point cerato is trying to make is that we know for certain that gen 1 has changed between legacy and evrima, Site 12 has more unknown

[hexed forge]

This can be described as a human, since in legacy iirc. It was just a mutated actual human. Caused by the replicator.. (iirc)

[snow jasper]

BRRI9REITTIHSHSSHH

[fast forge]

looks pretty human to me
forward facing eyes, bipedalism, external ears, large brain

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message Its indeed human yes, but not for those reasons.

[fast forge]

only one of these is no longer true

[fast forge]

still very similar to modern gen 1

certainly closer to them than any other thing in this game

[hexed forge]

But

[formal venture]

NEW FLIPACLIP so tribals are partial humans who evolved to deal with Dino's and reincarnation

Ok?

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[hexed forge]

Are you a doctor, I cant read it

[formal venture]

Sorry I was in a rush

[hexed forge]

Ah

[formal venture]

Says FORCED EVOLUTION BECAUSE OF NO TECH AND DINOS

[hexed forge]

Dont look at the looks! Look at the lore!

[fast forge]

I still haven't seen any direct evidence to define them as non-human, other than "they don't look like us"

[hexed forge]

lack of Intelligence

[formal venture]

They are beasts, they lack intellect they hunt in packs

[fast forge]

Homo floresiensis wasn't as smart as sapiens, but they are still human

Hell, they are 4 feet tall

[fast forge]

still human, those aren't diagnostic features of humans in general, only our own species

[hexed forge]

Gen1s cannot understand the concept of worshipping,

Im not sure if that says anything intelligence wise tho

[formal venture]

Imagine it like this: you make something based on a wolf, it's imperfect, it's not quite right. then you drop it in an place it's not meant to be, it's no longer the apex and it no longer worries about death
That is the tribals

[hexed forge]

Would it be better to just halt this topic? Until we get some lore information regarding this idea?

[formal venture]

We could

[hexed forge]

It seems like we are just going in circles

[formal venture]

Yeah...

[fast forge]

I'm saying intelligence plays absolutely no role in defining a human

Someone braindead in a coma has no intelligence, they are still human

[lethal moat]

We could put it on pause for now until we ask some further questions

[formal venture]

Sure, let's touch the dead horse that is strains instead

Who wanna say who made them?

[lethal moat]

The goober

[lethal moat]

AE is my bet, might involve the replicator, might not

[formal venture]

They are the canaballs but for dinos

[lethal moat]

What

No

[formal venture]

Let me explain

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1227334225989210122.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[nimble fractal]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNDdzempnaHhvaDgzYXRtZzBreTVtMDF1dXFnZTBic2N0NXY3eXp2NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/WsPnH9wyfYsPp0l6Z7/giphy.gif

[formal venture]

Canaballs seems to be rewards by the repilcator to tribals who help it
Strains are given to dinosaurs that prove themselves worthy of genetic change

[lethal moat]

I disagree

[formal venture]

These are prizes

[lethal moat]

Mutations are the prizes

Strains could be entirely unrelated, especially because of the massive drawbacks

[formal venture]

That could be true but if we assume that the repilcator is the cause then this mutant prize is the lore reason for it's existence

Of course are might have made it

But looking at the sketch dossier for hypo rex I disat

[lethal moat]

I’d say strains are too unfinished to be rewards

You will starve to death
That doesn’t seem to align with the replicator creating efficient life

[formal venture]

In the repilcators eyes they are
Besides it's a choice to get strains
You can just get the permanent perk

[lethal moat]

Thats still way too easy

[formal venture]

Yeah I'm not going to disagree

There should be more

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind acquiring strains being unrelated to the replicator, and I don’t think it should be something you can do within a single lifetime

[formal venture]

My personal take on how you should get strains is this:
After getting the perk for a Dino you can go back
If you kill for sport, kill for fun, kill for the replicator
Then it rewards you
And gives it the means to enact your bloodlust tenfold

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-incredibles2-i-disagree-strongly-schafrillas-gif-14898227

[formal venture]

Ok

[nimble fractal]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemYweDFmeHB0OWIxZ3drM2N0NXEzNmt6dnhtY3N4aWh5dG51cmg3MCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Vm2AXa4xs1p7IfV2NQ/giphy.gif

[hexed forge]

Multiple lives... Also I would love some sort of counter on the character selection screen.

1000 lives until your elder mutations reset

[lethal moat]

Eh

[formal venture]

What is your personal takes on how to get strains?

Keep in mind it's also Tisso and neuro

Not just old dumb hypo

[lethal moat]

Something you work towards by playing a variety of creatures and doing a variety of things as those different creatures

[hexed forge]

A way to balance them.. You dont want to have a permenant rex with eat to heal %300...

[formal venture]

What would that mean

[hexed forge]

1000 lives is A LOT in my opinion

[formal venture]

I got content blocked but I basically hated on omni

Like why does Omni exist

[lethal moat]

I say you should loose any elder mutations you have active when you die from not shmeemeemeemee

[hexed forge]

From not shmemememee.... did your cat walk on the keyboard

[lethal moat]

You have the advantage of living as many times as you need, to become as powerful as that should be a massive undertaking

[lethal moat]

Dying of old age

Also known as shmeemeemeemee

[formal venture]

This isn't really a lore thing but I want to say why does Omni exist and why do they want Utah in evrima as well

[hexed forge]

Hmmmm oh

[lethal moat]

Omni is a created creature, Utah will do different things and be feathered

[formal venture]

So it's a skin but also it's not

[lethal moat]

It is a separate creature, Utah will be more of a brawler

[nimble fractal]

Because dock can't be without docktahs

[formal venture]

The only way I see Utah working is more health at the cost that it can't be in as large parks as omni

So like it only needs 2 or three people to do what Omni needs 5 people to do

[lethal moat]

We do have a smidge of omni lore

[formal venture]

Really?

Aight another flipaclip coming

I wanna diss on omni

[hexed forge]

oh no

[lethal moat]

Omni means “all” so it’s presumably a mix of various raptors, in addition to the docktah lore thingy

[nimble fractal]

Please I want to see the docktah lore

I remember it being mentioned but
I missed it

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167557586699178054/1213270831220654152/IMG_1678.png?ex=66d1b0c3&is=66d05f43&hm=bcf92a349f4cce3b5133d4b05dd43152eeabc0beb96f3a78be4fac7c2e0284a0&

[nimble fractal]

Ah
That's all

Yeah I saw that one

[formal venture]

THE FLIPACLIP ART HAS ARRIVED

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[lethal moat]

Funny, we’ll see how it holds up

[formal venture]

At least the last two bits hold up

And the first two ig

[lethal moat]

I’m interested if the docks just became infested with omnis hiding from larger predators

[formal venture]

Ima be honest that Omni Vs Utah art was my peak for today

Gotta renew my strength for later

[lethal moat]

Peace out

[fast forge]

puts on tinfoil hat
omni has human DNA and is more comfortable in human spaces than other animals

[lethal moat]

Or it’s just human height and good at jumping

[fast forge]

tbh we don't know what dna was used for any of these animals

they could all have a bit of human in them, might even make it easier to use EIP's

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shut-up-be-quiet-funny-gif-19370091

[lethal moat]

I think it’s almost entirely original

[hexed forge]

The Replicator created them in its own image.

[fast forge]

so everything is 100% artificial?
how far down does that go?
are the proteins unique and artificial, not seen in other animals?

The reason so many organisms share the same % DNA is because a lot of the internal machinery is the same, even if they are external different, even down to microbes

[lethal moat]

Could be

[fast forge]

seems like too much work to make everything from scratch to me

[lethal moat]

They are crafted and designed, not the result of changes to a common ancestor

[lethal moat]

Could be advantages

[fast forge]

I think they are genetic chimeras, using various genetic parts from living animals

[lethal moat]

I think they could use existing animals for inspiration, but it’s all built from the ground up

[fast forge]

just my guess, easiest way to go about it with our understanding of genetics

[fast forge]

I don't think you realize just how monumental of a task this is

[lethal moat]

Enough to warrant building a system of machines to do a single task

[fast forge]

It is tougher than anything humanity has ever done in genetics, a thousand times over

[lethal moat]

Yep

I know it would be difficult, thats why we made a machine do it for us

[fast forge]

also not cost effective

[lethal moat]

Not in the beginning

[formal venture]

Ight this my proposal

They don't make the dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

They do.

Well, The Replicator does.

[formal venture]

They create the DNA structure they want and send it to the repilcator

That makes it

[fast forge]

But it's like saying you are going to redesign the bicycle, made entirely from another material with entirely different machinery

Why do this when you could just bills a bike out of known parts that you have at hand?

In the field of modern genetics absolutely nothing is made from scratch, it is all talking parts from one thing and putting them elsewhere

[formal venture]

It's far easier making a machine to make a griffatitan than is making ten omniraptors

Sorry misclick

Ten thousand omniraptors

[lethal moat]

Clarke’s third law maybe

[fast forge]

Occam's razor says they would have used the (genetic) parts that they already have available

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[formal venture]

They might have at first

[lethal moat]

But I don’t believe that there’s any one thing you can point at and go “yes, we used primarily this”

[fast forge]

Like it's SO hard to just make a single protein from scratch

Not to mention thousands of them, all working together

[lethal moat]

More of a reference rather than a base

[fast forge]

also it's not too advanced to understand

hell, we know they use crispr

[lethal moat]

Right

I feel like we may have had some sort of disconnect in how we’re thinking at some point

[formal venture]

You can say "we got 57 of it from a rex , got a bunch from other stuff and then our not rouge repilcator blended it till it made something looking like tyrannosaurus rex"

Thats my take anyway

Explains why things aren't accurate

[lethal moat]

I’m saying, they still use DNA, but none of it can be said to be original because it’s a Frankenstein’s monster of all the different things

[formal venture]

Like Utah is just Omni but more bits are from Utah

Yeha that's true

But in AE's eyes if it looks and acts the same, it is the same

[lethal moat]

They are original creatures created from everything else to look like something else, like how Frankenstein’s monster looks human, but for dna rather than body parts

[fast forge]

that's what I was saying here...

[formal venture]

Yeah it's an amalgam of DNA sent through the hell that is the repilcator until it figures out how to breathe with only 37 percent of its original lung

[lethal moat]

Alright, so we agree, I just got a little confused

[formal venture]

Seems so

[lethal moat]

Nah, 0%

Dna can’t stay around that long

[formal venture]

Just making a point

It's sort of a ship of theseus

[lethal moat]

I misread that, my bad

[lethal moat]

Yes, that comes up here quite a bit

[formal venture]

Bits of the original dinosaur are replaced until it's a debate whether it's the same thing

[lethal moat]

Not really

No “original dinosaur” just replications based off of them, like how an ai generated picture of a person is not an original picture of that person

[formal venture]

It has some original parts

[lethal moat]

How

[formal venture]

Otherwise we would get the same creature each time

[lethal moat]

Or put in variable input into the ai

We have bone structure, sometimes imprints of skin and feathers, we work from there

[formal venture]

The way I see it. Bits of the dinosaurs genus, not just the species, are put through the repilcator alongside the needed parts to adapt to millions of years of pathogens

[lethal moat]

What original parts

You can’t change something that doesn’t exist

[formal venture]

Bones, remaining DNA, anything AE gets there hands on

[lethal moat]

Bones and remaining DNA doesn’t exist

[formal venture]

This is still a fictional world
We could do the amber from Jurassic park

Even tho that doesn't work

[lethal moat]

I’d much prefer the original creature being a frankenstein’s monster of existing things

[formal venture]

I know "ItS ficTiOnAl stAp CoMpLaiNin" is pretty annoying but it's there for a reason

We need substantial differences between each Dino

[hexed forge]

Do we know what font was used here?

On the Glance sheets

[formal venture]

If I knew I would use it every day

That font dope

[hexed forge]

I want to @ punch and ask him for some reason, but I dont think he would respond sadly.

[lethal moat]

@acoustic osprey

[hexed forge]

Bob smith, at your service.

[lethal moat]

Base it off of what we know and let the machine do the rest

[formal venture]

With no difference between each Dinosaur?

[lethal moat]

Why do you say this?

Why would there be no difference?

[formal venture]

All needed information has been lost

Simply asking for a certain thing only gets you so far

There must be differences between each dino

[lethal moat]

You have fossils, base the structure of the bones and create a new animal that looks like what those bones used to be

[formal venture]

I suppose

[lethal moat]

Makes more sense than DNA and proteins being preserved for impossible amounts of time

[formal venture]

When the AE scientist forgets to put legs on the input chamber:

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-helluva-boss-hazbin-hotel-gif-21156926

Actually wait, @formal venture do you know about Ben?

[formal venture]

Who?

[lethal moat]

This is a canon creature

[formal venture]

Oh yeah

I saw that thing

[lethal moat]

Everyone loves ben

[formal venture]

Yeah

This is my last post today like seriously

They say AE tried making a dragon, but the repilcator gave them this:

[lethal moat]

||Unofficial size comparison of unofficial art of an official creature||

[hexed forge]

@ornate comet

Uhh, I think its working... yayy...

https://tenor.com/view/pain-suffering-death-star-wars-gif-25111888

[lethal moat]

Here’s the current results

[hexed forge]

yay

[snow jasper]

Carbon Type is the closest one I can find

entirely depends what you're using to edit it

[hexed forge]

Right now Im using a font called Rockwell lol, seems to fit so far.

Does it fit?

[snow jasper]

eh

[hexed forge]

[snow jasper]

idk, i'd still go for a typewriter sort of font

[hexed forge]

Wish the software that Im using actually had that.

[snow jasper]

there might be a way to download fonts

but i usually use befunky to edit photos, add texture overlays
and i use an app called picsart on my tablet to add distortion

both are free

picsart is really only if you want to go the extra mile and add a crease effect like in the beipi one

[hexed forge]

I think I managed to Download the Typewriter font.

[hexed forge]

I think it fits now

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[ornate comet]

This is so epic

[snow jasper]

Yes, they all love ME

[hexed forge]

So many people named Ben in lorecord lol

[ornate comet]

So we fight to the death now right

[snow jasper]

my case is an inside joke nobody here will understand

[snow jasper]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNnJ0bXhyMnM1YXVraGcxemVtYXExaHQ5bnBuNjhvb3AzZmIzOWV4aSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Hloo0Lv97Sw72owSRA/giphy.gif

[acoustic osprey]

It's X Typewriter

[hexed forge]

Oh nice, I just started using it.

The bold version

Ladies and Gentlemen.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1278013599146704969/ihhhhh.gif

[ornate comet]

No wait I finish growing my carno before it updates

[hexed forge]

How do you grow a car Ben.

Is that one of your super powers.

[ornate comet]

Erm I’m on mobile I’m allowed to make spelling mistakes

[valid geyser]

That recent?
If so, told you it could be good news

[fast forge]

mobile is a myth

[ornate comet]

I hope there’s merch of Ben someday in the future, would be funny to have a figurine of them on your desk so you get weird looks from your friends

[hexed forge]

Lol

Is this good?

[snow jasper]

looks believable

[hexed forge]

Now how the hell do I draw a footprint.

Draw a stego even.

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[bold crater]

I thought that was official for a moment so good job!

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[valid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-smile-cat-smile-orenge-cat-smiling-gif-23133369

[hexed forge]

You still have to finish animating a quetz 🫵

[valid geyser]

MMEHEHEEHHHH

I THOUGHT NOONE REMEMBERED THAAAAT

[hexed forge]

Boi I remember everything.

@young viper Still has to create lego filipe.

[valid geyser]

The program I was using had a heart attack and disagreed with me, back to trying to shove a quetz model into blender somehow

I mean I could do a 2D one I guess but

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Yay I'm away at Uni the whole day today!!

[hexed forge]

Nooooo, we will find lore, we promise.

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat

[snow jasper]

glazing!!!

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Lel

Okay I think Im done here.

Now the hard part.

The drawings.

[acoustic osprey]

Juviniles

[hexed forge]

AH

[snow jasper]

use ai to check mispellings and bad grammar

just in case

[hexed forge]

Ok I made some mistakes on it, uhhh. Gimme a sec.

[sonic rampart]

Do you mind if I be an editor for a sec

just my few cents on it

if you're ok w that

[hexed forge]

Uhhh Idk how you can edit it.

[sonic rampart]

I was just gonna type up the changes I'd suggest here

[hexed forge]

But how can you edit it?

You could just say your suggestions here.

[sonic rampart]

Yea

[hexed forge]

[sonic rampart]

"A very social, yet aggressive animal, commonly found in herds of 4-6 individuals. It's extremely aggressive towards other large herbivores including Diabloceratops, Maiasaura, and Triceratops, among others. Research has suggested this may be caused by competition over scarce food sources.

This species relies on herds as a primary defence against predation, and mortality rate is high for lone individuals. They are often predated upon by Tyrannosaurus, Omniraptor, and Allosaurus.

DO NOT ignore standard safety procedures even with juveniles. Though blunted, their thagomizers can still inflict severe bleeding and fractures. Injuries inflicted on predators by adult specimens are typically fatal.

Stegosaurus will raise its tail into the air as a threat display. Assume aggressive behavior will result if the animal is not left alone.

Infant and juvenile mortality follows a Type III Survivorship Curve. Troodon overpopulation is the likely cause."