#isle-lore-theories
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assuming they’re like us it would make the most sense to be in a group but they were made in a void so to speak, unlike humans they never really had to band together to survive things, they’re kept alive for their purpose
So really it depends on how tempermental they are
Perhaps its lesser teeth have a connection with its echolocation somehow?
Not a direct connection, I mean, but how it kills things
if V1 and V2 have the same body, what would it be since they can do the same things
only the head is different
Which devblog was the one that said stuff about keycards and the uhhhh
Like... you know... those floating ocean things??
Were those the same devblog
Buoys, they were different
Buoys is 47, cards is 43
Jeez I had NO idea they were that far apart
I know there's 2 back to back devblogs with structure stuff somewhere
If they add the buoys in the docks update... hype
I was under the impression the different Gen 1 heads we've seen were just for aesthetic choice should the player like one over the other 😮
Though I do like the idea of them actually meaning something though
Each gen1 variant having a different playstyle is an awesome idea.
V2's already my favorite from appearance alone.
If it has echo-sight for it's gameplay.....gughughughguhuguhghughu
I do find it interesting though that it's teeth are all flat unlike V1.
Neurotenic looking almost
Like an eyeless...I think V2 is more uncanny but V1 is my fav
what if gen 1s have the ability to regenerate loss organs (just parts of their brains for that organ ) if their whole brain gets destroyed then they die and the ability to quickly heal what would be fatal wounds, that would make them very difficult to kill and resistant to most things, perhaps not fire tho
see they already made other creations with those sort of abilities, so what would be stopping them from trying to experiment that on human like being, eventually trying that on actual human soldiers idk
I wanna say the Tissoplastic Reaper was the result of trying that strain out on a human subject.
Though if I remember correctly, the Reaper was scrapped in terms of design. But I think the creature itself still exists in the lore.
yes but what about a perfected non mutated variant
cus the reaper is a mutated human right or was
damn it looks cool the gargoyle
Very old, likely outdated
Mmmhm
well its an opportunity to change the design of it perhaps if they are still planning to add it to the game
man i cant wait to see that ingame
oh wow, what I'm thinking is that they are trying to prefect weapons, that seems to be what most believe so they start with dinos and they come up with the strains but they consume too much food to sustain then the magna rex comes and sort of solves the energy that these strains have, I presume there would have been more perfected sub strains for the tisso and neuro strains? (probably they never got concepts or even ideas for them but they could still be revealed at some point in the future perhaps
then come the heads of each strain right, the colossus, reaper and mother of cannibals, so they began experimenting on humans but only created monsters
so could the gen 1s and 2s be sub strains of one of the main strains kind of like a more efficient version of them still in testing like the magna, a more efficient verion of the type h rex idk
Magna strain is no longer canon, and we know the dinosaurs aren’t weapons but gen 1 are, strains have some medical implications
Tissoplastic I know is/can be linked to regenerating damaged tissue if not entire limbs
But I wonder what the other two strains do for medicine 😮
Unless it's less "we'll make you better!" and more "we'll make you better."

Hyperendocrin I can see being for overall enhanced physique and muscles and whatnot.
Neurotenic I guess would be enhanced intelligence.
But I kinda doubt it's as simple as that 
Strains are funky
Funky wunky indeed. I'm especially curious about the human strains 
What if the replicator has some glaring flaws in it’s creations, and strains are AE’s way of trying to make up for those flaws
evrima is great and alll
but never forget what they took from us
I want this map so bad
the color grading is amazing the tone its so moody and horrifying
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Replicator isn't as all-that-and-a-bag-of-chips as it may think it is.....if it can think.
I really hope at some point in the far future we can see a map like those concepts return
I still wanna know what that diamond thing is for.
Radio tower
Naaaar
Nahnah at the time (a g e s ago) Don made it seem all mysterious....I doubt it'd be for just radio stuff. Hmmm
same here all dondi told us is that they are absolutely enormous and they have a "good ol big reason" and we never found out but they look like old radio towers
not confirmed?
"Sir, are you sure you want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a diamond shaped radio tower?"
AE CEO: "Why the hell n o t?"
It’s a real thing, called a Blaw Knox tower
Heh....more like Claw Knox.....
-# because of....because of dinosaurs....
“But… but why, sir…”
“WELL IT LOOKS COOL, DONT IT?”
yea I know they look a lot like them but I mean dondi never said anything on what they are for and its also weird they have like a plastic looking glass maybe lining around them
Rule of cool, man
Rule of cool 
Sir, we have giant crabs that resulted from a containment leak of chemicals dealing with megaflora!
Hmmmmmm
Can we make them bigger?
and please, please give me this color grading seriously the lighting needs so much work
I really do hope some higher-up in the lore just radiates "Okay, hear me out-" energy with dumb but cool ideas.
It's me!
Can you imagine the sheer dread finding out that said-giant crustaceans may or may not have made burrows somewhere on the island's coast.
It's like walking through a minefield. A very pinchy minefield.
I want whatever island gen 1 is on to be a wasteland
Is it still a thing that Gen 1 worship the Replicator? 😮
gen 1 not going to just be on all the other maps? also as long as the wasteland is cool ill like the idea
Worship is a strong word
Uh
Hmm...."pay a considerable amount of attention to", how 'bout that :3
No one map has dinosaurs, gen 1, gen 2, and humans
are gen 2 not the humans we are getting
I know but most gen 1 at least ones capable of building altars and cave painting abt the replicator probably have the cagnitive capability to worship
So uh....they more so just REALLY like this thing that gives them rewards I suppose? 
also did dondi ever mention this I mean it makes sense but do we have confirmation
Yeah the "some" has me curious if intelligence varies between individual Gen 1
I think he once mentioned that lore-wise, not all factions are ever present at once.
So at no point in the lore are there Gen 1, 2, AND dinosaurs all on one island
or something like that
Makes me wonder if it'll be reflected in game though....like some officials only having Gen 1 and dinosaurs, but no Gen 2.
he also has said though that in game its technically not a specific point in lore or anything \
so like it comes down to balance and what dinosaurs and survive and be balanced where
That’s what I’m thinking too, not sure how just gen 1 and dinosaurs wound make sense on an island tho
this @bold crater
They are the humans
I don’t think he’ll be able to see it
exactly I was confused because you said gen 1 gen 2 and humans
ill paste it
Don:
"There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet
So you may get a game that has all of that, there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing
So while the gameplay is being supported, it's not just 'oh hey here's an island, it has all of these things on it' it doesn't work like that.
No. The game is not 'non-canonical', it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told"
Well we know that humans aren’t active on the islands we’re on, so that sort if takes them out of the equation
Thank you huehue it just says Unknown for me 😛
where they putting the dock you think?
Where the new marsh is, just north of east plains
Basically a bulletproof gen 1 v2 if you think about it
I'm watching both A quiet place movies in one sitting currently, that's why I posted the gif.
And oh boy I think after this I'm about to fall in love with the idea of gen1.
I hope they move similarly
Same
Interesting
The way it moves so awkwardly since it evolved for stronger gravity
I want gen 1's movment to be awkward looking because long limbs, but surprisingly fast
The Death Angels are a decently larger and probably much heavier than gen 1, but given how fast they move, especially around vertical surfaces, they might be a good comparison for how gen 1 mobility could go, just scaled down to 4/5 of the size for easier mobility indoors
maybe good at leaping or propelling themselves from jumps, to be seen at times as almost flying
it's close to what we saw of Eyeless gameplay on stream years back
I've never seen that
and if only I could find those streams again...
More gen 1 and eyeless stuff! 
we've already had a crazy amount of Gen1 stuff!!!
still find it funny we've gotten concept art for Gen1s
but not Gen2s yet lol
More gen 2 stuff would also be greater
"more" as if we gotten much 
More concept arts are always appreciated, especially with strains and fabricated beings like gen 1, gen 2, and the matriarch
seeing a/the dedicated dossier would be great
Like the galli beipi and cerato?
no
I see
get an insight into the general gameplay for Gen2s
it'd be good to 'know' what Gen2s will be doing rather than going off rough quotes and ideas
and it helps us with lore too!!
chris pratt
You and your silly elder knowledge
Why is that image so crinkly
He never told us about Dean..
What other kinds of secrets does Isaac hide..
Go find the eyeless gameplay stream now 
if Don's old VODs weren't deleted...
Bob Smith, be at our service..
Surely someone clipped it and made a YT video...right?
potentially
the only problem is
no one really reported much on Isle stuff from his streams
besides Anthom, at times, which we know how Anthom has his "news" videos
tons of normal isle gameplay
2 seconds of whatever "X" he is talking about

it's mostly why I made my channel to contain non-monetised stream overviews
If I could get the date range of that stream I could try and track down an Anthomnia video
2018
Early or late 2018
roughly mid iirc
Mmm ok
however, there were several streams throughout 2018 with "cannibals"
2018 was the year of Isle Hype
We could start making a "lore condensed version" from streams with explanations
especially Isle Lore Hype
And then boom.
Straight into Hope 
2019..
yes
From hype to hope
(literally)
early 2019
it literally was just in 2018 when things were REALLY big
this is practically what we've been doing in lorecord and your doc
I don't really want to have anything like VODs public
due to recent stuff
Right, but we could make it more accessable on youtube
even if edited
i would honestly do such on my channel
noting that it would be less "overview" and more so a lore breakdown
mhm
i think a lore breakdown of whatever "lore" is said on a stream is the only valid thing we can do
We just need someone to record the entire stream when Don is streaming.
I can do it if I'm available
Just don't expect high quality footage 
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Appreciated
not this one
Mmmm, is it a dev literally playing it?
aye
Interesting
You're dead to me Cerato
If I remember right
its a "cannibal" running and climbing a tree
Hey now,
I tried 
yay
I went through 3 videos that said cannibal in the title without the Cannibal even in the video 
yeah...
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I think that's a yay
Maybe nay..
probably the closest you'll get, but not it of course
I give up 
Don't stare at me like that,
Just shooting ideas. 
On one of the Errant sheets doesn't it say Site 12?
Well could say site 12.
(Just a friendly reminder the death angels from a Quiet Place are some of the most insanely inconsistent depicted creatures that it destroys the entire franchise)
lol
Constantly obliterates every surface they come across.
Can scale glass surfaces no problem.
Sure.
Okay.
Lol
Never seen one fall through a wall as they're yeeting themselves at the speed commonly observed as Mach Fk.
They run down glass skyscrapers, no issues.
Never once do they hit a window.
they sound like jesus monsters
can they skim on water?
The monster's speed and hearing competency swings wildly depending on the character on-screen.
They can't swim, but I never watched the newest movie so no idea.
They just sink.
lol
Perfectly fine trait to have.
Yea 
ah, so they're practically stormtroopers
Yes.
They are literally stormtrooper monsters.
They bought a lot of goodwill in the opener of the first movie by Ned Stark'ing a child that decided to be stupid.
all I have is the picture of EU Death Troopers now stuck in my head
just horribly more "blockbuster monster-fied"
lol
Took me a couple moments to find a gif..
Oh a quiet place discussion lol
Gen1s but better!!
No; I was just lightly griping about the inconsistencies of the death angels.
Meancheese cameo!?
If they were consistent they would be top tier horror.
True
Ahh yes yes, they do terrify me but yeah the glass scaling as well as the inaccuracies of having a cat stay quiet...
HAve you seen the trailer for the game?
there's a game?
It looks pretty weak.
Agreed
But I'm still going to try it.
There's a what now?
I feel like you could play don't scream for the same effect
lol
I feel like that type of game would work much better for a style similar to project zomboid
Now if they made something in VR...yeah I'd nope right out of there
Walking Dead Saints & Sinners 2 is a treat in VR for horror game.
VR and Horror go terribly well together
If you can manage modding, Alien: Isolation VR is 👑
I think I grabbed that but I don't remember if I did
I saw the trailer and saw a death angel not respond to a door creaking and decided the only way that game could possibly be good is at max difficulty
No idea how to do modding lol
Youtube.
More so right now, in my current state, not interested in diving into it.
I don't mess around with vr, I spend too much time on the computer as is
VR gives me a headache everytime lol
If the headset squeezes your head too much that can cause it
I'd love to mess around more on VR
Just the room I use has a ton of barbie figures and the lot spread in the back
death
I'd only pick up VR for the first person spooky dinosaur game or if I did some Half-Life related shenanigans.
What spooky dino game
there was a spooky dinosaur VR game I found in thailand lol
If one existed.
Oh lol
The Isle VR mode is a cool idea 
I did get halflife though
luckily it runs on UE
there is a GREAT conversion mod for any UE4 or 5 game
I have never done anything beyond a walking simulator in the game currently.
Interesting
but it's practically, as Don said, a walking cam sim if you do it
but I know, with the right people, you can totally convert "X" game into a relatively-functional VR way
Mmmm
that reminds me, i played half life alyx, being forced to use flashlight was terrifying most simply because i had to aim the flashlight separately to my POV, i think if a sort of delay between the flashlight and the camera in the isle would replicate the same horror i experienced
I think that's the Praydog tool.
Same guy who did the Resident Evil remake VR stuff.
Island 359 is what it's called
lol
might be
there's a few ones now ever since X big breakthrough a few years back
Oh I heard of that one, never digged into it tho.
iirc its just a walking simulator where you just shoot dinos right?
Or is there an actual story mode.
Me and my brother were talking around a pretty russian area in thailand
found a kids gaming place
they just had the VR headset on and ready to go
we saw "Island 359" and played 10 minutes of it till one of the ladies came in saying "VR doesn't work" ||clearly it worked||
russian area in thailand?
Hahaha
Oh yeah
large amount of Russian and Saudi people go to thailand
pretty much
i can understand that but like was the area‘s architecture russian
Sadge.
(ihave a thing for its style )
it wasn't fully russian
but a lot of the "tourist" buildings there are influenced by brutalism
ohhh soviet architecture
i believe it tries to be Green Hall but with Dinos
imagine TheHunter Primal
Never played it
most can't anyways
can't get it anymore
Ah
but it's the direction I want my Isle Hunting mod to go
SoonTM
yes
Was playing that a few months ago.
I heard it was a bit buggy, but I never played it or barely watched footage of the game so I can't really say anything about it.
I do wonder if there will be IR laser attachments, in addition to the one we've seen
I think that's possible.
tiny bit
it was pretty simple so bugs weren't the biggest problem

NVGs offer a lot of opportunity when you see things others can't, that being said, if Neuros do have emps, you're sort of up a creek without a paddle
I would I assume there are specialized weapons to counter each strain.
For example the Hyper gun.
Unless the Hyper gun isn't referring to the Hyper strain.
Literally just a big gun with a cool name 
honestly
if it truly is canon
i just hope it isn't a "big gun"
I want it to be a chemical weapon.
Specifically chemical gases that destroy the asset from the inside.
Yeahhhh
dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori...
read up on your literature!!
That's a whole different language!!
tisk tisk
My theory on the best counter to gen 1:
- Get rid of their climbing advantage, clear any height around the perimeter of wherever you try to protect
- Tracking chips, know where they are
- Alarms if the chips or motion sensors get too close, make sure that people know something is nearby that shouldn’t be
- Underground structures with multiple exits so that there’s not a bottleneck they can just wait for you at
moat
Moat works
lead
moat or open fields
they’re not bullet proof
slow death
M2 browning on towers in the middle of an open field
yesss
Plus XL bird spikes all around the tower to stop them from climbing it
just force the replicator to replicate more if you lose a few gen 1s
simples
im assuming its not that simple, but i refuse to swing that way
well, aren’t the employees also expendable
EIPs
Maybe
Do all employees have EIPs?
Probably not
gen1 is probably cheaper than gen2
Likely
Are all the employees gen 2?
Since they are mass produced
no, probably just fill the ground level roles
Gen2 probably have the more dangerous jobs 
Mmmm
Why would you do it in the open rather than a garage? If it breaks down outside, you’re sort of just out of luck
or being responsible for piloting a quetz drone prior to it being hacked by some rivals
Is drone quetz hacked?
they‘re in the vents
@ionic sable I demand answers
though, i think the quetz is for reconnaissance and rivals would probably use jammers, if they knew the quetz was a drone
i doubt it‘d be distinguishable unless you used thermal imaging on it
From the distance, I agree
pretty smart stuff
the red eye makes me think it‘d be used during the day on AE occupied uslands
as scouting at night over rivals would be too obvious
but red lights also hard to notice at a distance so nvm
but commercial airlines use red lights for signals and now im confused
Red is typically better for night correct? It’s easier for eyes to adjust, maybe monitoring or checking on creatures at night
of course! !
used in war as red light is less visible at distance due to how it fades
first colour on the light spectrum
Yeah, red is better at night, because it’s longer wavelengths or somethin
its why i want red lights in the isle as a less obvious and more practical light source
better for open area exploration
Mmmmm
Yellow makes better emergency lights, because red is softer in the dark
yeah
red is good for sleeping
(aka low kelvin)
that's why I always set my lights to "warm" / yellow(orange)
same for my phone
aye
Do they warm you tho ?
Red for ambient floodlights, yellow for alarms
You'd want something more white/higher kelvin, honestly
yellow is good to see
but for actual "lights"
you want more white light
but having the building lighting wash as that pissy-esque yellow is still something I hope DOES NOT change
i like orange lights, especially along roads, i know a town in new zealand has rhem because i‘ve been
a really nice aesthetic for photography
Robo quetz doing the t-90 noot noot would be a funny meme
speaking of tanks, im still convinced those geometric triangles beside bridges are anti tank hedgehogs
But it’s to stop erosion
Hopefully we see some at the Docks
oh true
we can't really see any there atm
Hopefully
mmm
Is legacy cannon to evrima and its just a separate island or is it a full remake?
no and yes
Full remake, legacy is not canon, though some things are returning and somethings are changing
Legacy isn't explicitly canon
Awww man I loved legacy lore
just aspects may and have been taken from legacy
just heavily remastered under a new light

winters!!
The era of the triangles
They're in that image, actually.
Bottom center, slightly to the left.
Nice
That mud to beach layer transition has a lot of those models there.
My snipping tool is refusing to make edits or I'd just have circled it.
ahh cool
Oh yeah? Enjoy it. If you haven't played you should definitely just do vanilla before slapping mods on.
hoping on now btw
just finished a REALLY demanding game on SoT lol
That's the plan
Oh is that stream now?
Pulling it up currently
Very nice (as I've mentioned previously, I can't do anything seriously in that game)
lol
I had fun, I’m the fire guy
lol
Yo you play SOT too? I may or may not have 12,000 hours in it
yeah but only 1200h 
The account I’m on now has about 100 hours but I’m not even pirate legend 💀
ah yes
i remember the days of Pirate Legend being incredibly rare
a mate of mine got gold ghost though
great to help him get it
Shrouded ghost gang
I wish 
Do you run sloop brig or gall
You should totally run a sloop or brig with me later today
those were the days, sea of thieves in its prime was amazing
yeah!!
Ya think the Gen 2 are aware they're made 

Does it really change anything?
You know you were made, right?
Perhaps Gen 1 see their origins as equally benign
If gen 1 are intelligent enough yo know where they come from, I’m willing to be gen 2 can figure it out too
Didn't Don say that they sense where they come from?
Not exactly know?
Mmmm nvm
I assume flares would normally be used for emergency situations with the helicopter, or for normal landings/asset transportation in the field
Sounds about right
I feel like it'll largely be used as a distraction, throw it and run
I'd love colored flares to give different meanings to 
Red for landing, green for pickup, etc
If it's dark, pretty much
Dean shall not be fooled
If he can still see

I'm curious if better night vision would result in worse blind effects from flares. Makes sense 😮
Speaking of distractions and emergency situations, do we know if those little safe rooms are still a thing? I remember Don once talked about them. Basically mini-bunkers scattered around certain areas that were meant for workers on the field to run into in the event a predator or other dangerous creature was nearby.
WHO IS MAKING THESE.
AND WHY.
And how!?
I'd love to see some of those
no idea 
Run into one after being chased by a hungry Carno
Slam the door shut
Take a breather
Huh....that's an oddly shaped box-
The Rugops uncamouflages-
.....I wish. 

I like the idea of camoflage, not sure I like it on rugops tho
who could have it?
Tissoplastic strain having a camouflage ability is cool
I like this
Mono?
I just know Don once pitched it to a creature I think, never said what though nor if it was necessarily confirmed.
Rugops just seems fitting to me since it's smaller, agile, and seems to be a human hunter of sorts. Camouflage would help it blend in (literally) with the unnatural colors of human environments as well as be a nice nod to The Lost World novel that had a camo Carno.
I know Tissoplastic was originally said to have camouflage, but I'd hope some non-strain animal could have it <:C No other game has really done ACTUAL camouflage well. Isle could do it ;o;
I used to advocate for it on Mono until the concept for it came out 😛
Rugops, the side-product of the tissoplastic strain.
I would've accidentally ate that
Exactly! Makes sense that there'd be some non-strain animal that they could've used to help strain development.
Like how Troodon is apparently the result of "but what if we did this" with an unreleased creature
Or a creature that we will never even get.
But if it is a creature on the roster.. it's probably velo.
What if..
The concept is in black and white only

There's some grey!!

I kinda hope lots of nocturnal hunters migrate underground during the day
More caves please.
Even then, just stuff like dilos nesting in a little storage area close inside a GUTS entrance sounds cool as hell
Gonna be a nightmare not knowing if you're alone or not as a Gen 2 in some small cramped room.
Troodons, Herreras, Rugops, HOMALOS....
man....

I'd love for eyeshine when things look at you from a distance while you have a flashlight
PLEASE
Like with Raccoons
Find Troodons like you do Wolfspiders. Just shine a light in the grass.
God I'm so happy it's being made to pupils only and not literally the entire eye anymore.
Gonna be even spooker with NVG
Nonhuman reflective eyes
guys when is this game getting those big water fences

aquatic gameplay...
MINMI
Fat

guys did the game get any new buildings since like
Dockyards are coming soon TM
February because i haven't payed since them
Oh snap
did anything get added since feb
except the fence extensions
Nothing major other than replacing the small dam at NE lake with waterfalls I don't believe
what abrot the underground thing
This does look nice when we get it
GUTS still isn't in other than that one spot at swamps
no i meant the underground base thing
wow that looks realy cool wheres it gonna be
Oh the base that's under the map?
yeas
oh wow so its not gonna be on the smaller island?
idk why but i thought it would be over tthere
We haven't seen anything there yet
i rember on that like really old map of gateway there were buildings on it
I still think there's going to be something significant over there, just don't know what 
yeah i thought it was gonna be like the
main kinda like ae facility like maybe the control area
Airstrip kind of makes sense
I bet it's either an airstrip like cerato said, a dockyard, or a combination of the two
well if thats where the docks are does that mean thats like the point of the giant fences to keep big dinos awya from the docks
Could be, the docks also have their own fences that look fairly banged up
are there pics of that?
oh nbm
Maybe it's more for stopping people
Might be the camera also altering the sense of scale
True, it's about two shipping containers high
actually now that i look at the map it just looks like a giant paddock
instead of like protecting the dock
Could be
It most likely is
2 visible contained areas. Northeast sector and East Plains sector
demanding tartarus update 😡
what that
Dibble video
oh it says tartus
Tartarus, but yes
yes the one that used to be above the water
We haven't really heard anything on that
Ah, we don't know if it's Canon or not anymore in evrima lore
that thing was so big
like what did it eat and also wouldn't it cross the entire map in like 30 seconds
It's probably really old at the point we saw it, but it might not be returning, I'd say that's the largest question currently
no the biggest question is it foot
Laughably large skeletons were always an eye roller for me in games heehee 
I kind of agree
how old can it be tho because like it cant be like 100 years old
because like
Never was a fan of "it's scary because we exaggerated a single aspect of it!!"
Not that super big can't ever be scary, just has to be done right.
idk but like maybe because
because like how old actually is the island company and stuff
because like it sitll has working security cameras and all that so surely its not tha told
It needed to rot, dry, and get moss on it, and it's massive, that's planty enough time for something that massive for rain to remove trace
We know that the island was potentially abandoned sometime in the mid-late 90s
Only 90s dinoz will understand
what time is it now then
are you talking about the domes or other buildinga
Islandwalker skeleton in legacy
but it cant be that far if the radio tower still makes sounds and the securituy camera keeps working
oh lol
My bet is 15-30 years
i thought that was a matriarch ngl
Maybe less
I’m of the opinion that, in lore, the island isn’t abandoned
At least to the extent that it is ingame
ok so then if it 15-30 years ago then the thing probably isn't more than 10 years older than that because theres no way they made that thing before the 70s
and grew it
but tbh I think most buildings in evrima dont look old enough they look weirdly clean and taken care of or even new especially the domes you would kind of expect those to have like mildew and rust all over them
We play after the island was abandoned
but to be fair its probably not canon anymore because it was kinda dumb
I disagree

they hire cleaners probably
On an uninhabited dinosaur infested island?
but its been abandoned after the incident
yes
"The incident"
they probably wear camooflage
🐮
why in quotes?
It's not just one thing
thats true
Did they choose to?
lol
well they were stupid enough to let someone open them or give something the power to overide the humans
who would made them?
The N-Spino got in their heads and convinced them it's what they wanted to do huehue

Something like that is also a possibility
what should it be
That or the Echidna thing
dont those scientists know little boys who play with fire get their fingers burnt - tanya from mamma mia
Good old Icarus
in short, they created something that they dont have control over it?
if i ran that island what iw ould do is
basically put like a moat around the island and then put like an electirc wire in it so if they escape i just electrucute the moat so they cant easte
tescape
they should hire me to be cheif of security
Or they made something they don’t understand
is the AE boss/owner even alive?
Boss fight
Mr. House situation 

yes he went to the bahamas
At this point, I wouldn't doubt it
Pretty much all we know that whether or not it was a Board of Directors or a CEO, it was one first, then the other, I’m leaning towards Board of Directors -> CEO
So basically Gateway was abandoned on purpose, right? Iirc
it was abandoned?
so why is gen 2 there...
Maybe
Ah so it's just a theory, I thought Don hinted towards it being on purpose
A GAME THEOR-
sent to tartarus
Definitely abandoned, my theory is that gen2 were sent to the island to make it functional again. Recapture.
I agree with that, could also be “field testing” gen 2
Possibly yeah
in short
Survive The isle
If your job includes surviving I guess
But it's so pretty
until its not 
But it's still so pretty 
if i can die of old age, then this is wrong
The guy on the floor probably didn't think it was that pretty 
I sayeth unto thee ||skill issue||
Hazmat suits 
Hazmat suits to protect from dinosaur cooties
one of my favorite tapwing artworks
stealing this
It's so good
and yk the big radioactive strain plant is also up there
even if we only ever saw it in a stream
Any more plant stuff would be sick
or landscape artworks
Yes
I really want to see a timelapse of some of her works too
I bet some of them have to take ages
Oh yes, that would be awesome
Bigass jumanji plant
looks like a werewood
Do we know why are there varying eras of equipment on the island?
Dinosaur sized predatory plant
Like computers from the 2000's and other 90's equipment
Could be unfinished
Or maybe Apollo has tried to renovate the island before
#isle-lore-theories message
Could be this
We don't know when the actual full collapse happened right? Like if it was in the 2000's then ok 2000's computers mixed with 90's equipment isn't weird...but 2000's equipment being there when the island has been abandoned long before then wouldn't make sense unless they tried to renovate the place
to be fair they would not need super computers
they aren’t doing Nasa calculations
Correct
It's going to stay confusing up until we figure out when the actual collapse of it all was
I believe the older computers might be store assets tho
Yeah I hope there are no store assets in the game at all by the end of the maps development
peak InGen aesthetic
If I had a time machine, I'd shoot every inventor/ceo that had though, hmm let me design this to stop working after X amount of time so people would come back and buy it
and use a shotgun on those who designed product to where its purposely difficult to make repairs or add parts etc

Run gives steve jobs ligma
huh
Merry you wanna be in the lore discord?
you dont understand how inhibiting it is to just day to day life
i'd assure you with my soul that we'd be living in a utopia had we never had those kins of people
Already sent an invite


Want me to send it again?
how many members in lorecord now?
yes plox
last time i checked it was around 100
Nevermind discord apparently discriminates against rumplestiltskin and refused to give me a notification
This number minus 1
yikes...
Sadge
Ooh im boutta make a name for myself ere
glad to be an og 😜
thundering typhoons
Hmm...I think I'm og

I'd like Ben to be preserved as a sort of memorial to early dinosaur creation testing
"Look at what we made!"
It's a theory
It's only been a few days...
More
How far have we fallen
Bro we've risen from what we were
Life's good, but it could be better
And I’ve tried to shift lorecord a bit more away from goofiness back towards the original purpose
Hold up, new thought
Shirley and Dave’s anomalous traits are both partially mental, what if that has something to do with EIPs
Either passing down dinosaur based EIPs as a way to test those anomalous traits, or the person behind the EIPs with those traits
Maybe
i remember dondi posting a suspicious plant gif when they were teraforming the swamp so maybe..

it was indeed a Plant... but he deleted the gif
Listening to the podcast rn
My man is British as hell. “Tea and krumpets” he said
Who is that with the British accent?
@lethal moat
Lightclaw is Australian
they should change their name here to Krumpetiltskin
Me
jk
when do we get the giant crustation mass migration across the island
Im the Brit, the one and only Brit, The Original Brit ( excluding punch )
No other Brit compares to likes of I
All jokes aside dude is the goat love his energy
i sugest that giant crabs to show up to eat diet plants that are remaining in non migration zones
Coastal migration zones beware
IM AN OG
crab docks?
What did he mean by this what part was slightly accurate and what part wasn’t? Something wasn’t containable but ae didn’t technically abandon it? Or am I reading too far into this?
Likely the part about the world in their palm if I had to guess
a slovakian farmer on his own land is more sustainable than AE
Time for the traditional theory before bed
Because we know gen 1 interacts with the replicator to their own benefit, and that the replicator is a collection of systems designed to create life, I find it likely that either A) The action of gen 1 sacrificing things matters more than the result, or B) the replicator is partially non-functional wherever gen 1 are, and has adapted them as part of their systems
I was already typing when you posted
In this situation, the replicator is either functioning properly, but not as intended, or making do to function as properly as it can despite a setback
Or AE does want gen 1 to sacrifice things to the replicator and I’m completely wrong
I really hope the replicator as we have theorized is only somewhat sentient meaning it’s still following its original command/goal
I like the idea of it being sentient but at the same time I don’t want it to be taken too far
I hope it isn’t sentient at all
The islands where it operates are abandoned, it likely is entirely or partially out of AE’s hands
but what if... an eyeless with a sockpuppet behind the main controll pannel spoke for it
Oz
At least on the islands that have been evacuated
South dome is gone.
Yep
Wonder if it will be placed back into the new swamp. And then there will be a bridge connecting them both. Since they are at different elavations.
Matching the old gateway concept
Some sort of swamp base on stilts would be cool
Mmmm yeah
Call it “The Shack” because nobody wants to be in the swamps lol
Plants
Jolly would love to be there.
Mosquitoes
Jolly would adapt, for the plants! 
Nah
I really hope the swamp rework opens up an area for a new dock
plants
?
swamp rework?
where is this coming from?
Search Don's messages
Wow those are big changes
I assume it's not gone in-game, I take it?
I picked up another game recently and it's been a little but since I've opened the isle
Not gone yet
Don removed it in the editor
It's not gone in-game yet
game trails huh?
Pathways
he said game trails
Which are naturally formed paths no?
no, they are formed by the movement of animals, not erosion or a physical pressure
That's what I meant yes.
I don't know what's so confusing about it
They are all over gateway
Especially in jungles
Devs have mentioned game trails being added to dense jungle and such, all leading back to main roads. Somehow they tie into the migration mechanic known as "patrols" too, I think
but they aren't in game yet
Game trails are in the game
The migration system adjustments were said to be in the next HT in the devblog
Yippee
Next hordetest sounds like it might be surprisingly large
no, they are not
what you are probably thinking of are the open patches of ground in the forest
those have not changed since the devs mentioned adding game trails
back in march or so, I think?
I hope the next HT doesn't include the migration changes.
why not?
Because then the HT might drag on for more than a month
I don't see the issue with that, last one was longer than that
It kills unofficial servers, I play mostly on unofficials.
Sometimes on officials when needed
And trust me, unofficial players don't like long HTs 
that's fair, I don't really play unofficials so it makes no difference to me

I just want the rest of migrations
After 2 months of HT it still released super buggy sadly.
Diet bug is still in, Diablo hit boxes are broken, unofficial servers broke for like a week, etc.

Diet bug is fixed internally
Still broken in-game, that doesn't change that fact tho.
Could they release a small hot fix to help the main branch? They probably could.
But instead we gotta wait for a HT 
I don't understand that train of thought tbh but you do you
The point is that after 2 months it still released super buggy lmfao. Many players don't like that. Kill unofficials for 2 months only for it to release with bugs.
I'm excited for south plateau to be gone, it was such a dead zone and already looks a lot like other areas
I don't think it was that bad, I'd rather get more now than hold stuff off for the sake of unofficials
Keep the momentum moving
Hopefully they release with migration zones
Ignoring a quarter of the community isn't a good idea. But anyways, let's move on since this is lore chat 

Lore
come now, you know we treat this place like a mini #isle-discussion 
We shouldn't tho
^
you're not wrong
the price of progress 
(I kid, I kid)
Mmmm, wonder if the NV hordetest is being delayed for the new swamp area.
Can someone post the old gateway concept?
I doubt
This time I'm actually going to download it I promise
Mmm, no docks in the swamp area
yeah I don't think it will have docks
swamps make poor areas for docks traditionally (I think)
Usually you want a quick dropoff under water so that boats that sit low in the water or with a deep keel can dock
swamps are usually in areas with a very gradual elevation change off the coast
Hovercraft could be fun tho
it does show human buildings in the swamps though, and that would be interesting
mhm
That small dome structure could be botany related
Yeah I dunno, it's not quite a perfect circle? So maybe not a dome but I dunno what else it would be
I think its just the image making it not a perfect circle. If you look at the actual domes they aren't perfect either.
that's true
I did have a thought
The only square building near the coast that we see in the concept map is this one
Location for the holding area?
Mmmm, doubt
Didn't don say something about veering off into the jungle in any direction you'll still end up finding a path or trail
yes
Sick
If you look at the place ingame, that location is on a cliff. I don't think that would be a good place for the facility
or something like that
That makes more sense to put it at the Docks doesn’t it?
there are docks there
Why not
True
yeah I dunno how it would work with the cliff
In the past I figured the building at the end of that road would be just off the end of the cliff, with access down to the nearby dock below at coast level and another entrance up on the cliff above
I feel like basing our assumptions off of an ancient map is more trouble than we get out of it
Tbf, it has been pretty accurate to us. 
I think it's like 70% reliable
We can't take anything as fact but I think it is a template they are still using (or their internal template started with this, but has been updated)
Yes
It might not help us with what specific structure will be at x location.
But it helps us see that there atleast might be some sort if structure.
Look at the map, it's pretty accurate to the things currently ingame.
The changes Don mentioned today don't seem like old ideas finally being enacted, but rather updates that change once they have seen how the playerbase behaves
(Like removing south dome and south plateau allows players to move more freely between swamp and south plains. Not something they could have predicted on old maps, but amended as they see player data)
Mmmm true
So I think map changes are generally a mix of old plans combined with new adjustments
Stick to the plan but stay adaptable
Sounds about right
I still can see how the south dome might come back.
I think there are a number of things from the concept map that could turn out true
A bigger facility at the dam at water access
Small docks around the island
Nesting Grounds
Many human complex locations
Right, but we don’t need the map to tell us that
The small docks and the human building locations are
We can use it to theorize the possible locations of upcoming structures
all of the GUTS entrances are correct
Mhm
For water access, guardhouses and a maintenance shack to enter the interior of the dam seem most likely
pylons or whatever in the water
This games lore is... deep
Yep, you see the lore document?
yay
nah, watched too many videos on lore
very interesting
Old lore
There’s this for up to date stuff, there’s also a lore podcast and a lore server https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit
The Isle Theory Document Created by: The Isaac? and Rumplestiltskin Maintained by: Rumplestiltskin and The Isaac? Foreword by: 1tinydinosaur (PSA: Hyperendocrin is shortened as “Hyper”, though “Hypo” is often used) You can comment on anything that needs to be added, changed, or removed. Bookm...
So the old lore isnt the same as new one?
Correct
Some things are returning, some things are changing, but it isn’t the exact same
So appollo engineering started around 1994?
Probably before that
early 1990s
1980s-1990s(early) is my guess
I have a theory, that if AE employees betray the company they get experimented on to make cannibals
or different strains
Perhaps
Or the punishment is literally just to work in Tartarus
What in the Matriarch 
Freaky ass roblox game
What in tarnation
hell nah, not the roblox game again
If we get vending machines
wh-
who
who restocks them
Dr. Rumple
they have a discord, i just found it

Need canned food
Canned beans, canned peaches, canned corn, canned beans, canned beef
It's only fitting for survival
Would a vending machine have that 
Prolly not 
Gotta go loot the cafeteria
Why would AE be making dinosaurs and experiments though

