isle-lore-theories

[fast forge]

if you're gonna shoot down my idea, at least give me a reason, please

[hexed forge]

Augustus has the same identification.. so would it be

Shirley.174

[fast forge]

okay thanks

this is a reach, but perhaps they were both made on Spiro

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

Or Spero,

Depends which is canon to the lore/not scrapped

[fast forge]

I imagine we don't really now if it's still canon
yeah

[lethal moat]

I always assumed GW_H4 stood for GateWay_H4

[hexed forge]

Thats extremely likely to be the case yeah

And theres a very solid chance that GW_H4 follows that weird GW_F5 grid.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/igotstoknow-barney-himym-gif-4981987

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-we-will-never-know-head-shaking-patrick-gif-17905602

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Pray for the next lore video to give us a hint towards that grid system

Or just introduce another location that follows that weird grid system

[lethal moat]

Nah, I want more replicator stuff, gen 1 stuff, or AE logistics

[hexed forge]

Comfortable with the idea of Gen1 being tied to or is the deimos project.

[valid furnace]

heh heh the matriatch must RISE

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

10k msgs hit in here

[lethal moat]

How specific

[hexed forge]

haha

Random thought, no idea if it could be correct.

But what if the S stands for "SYNTH" ?

The in-house names for species were described as "SYNTH.003" (Shirley)

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

And the 12 is actually the location..

Site 12..

Tyrannosaurus Rex.Site12-SYNTH.003 [Shirley]

Species.Location-Inhousename.Assetnumber [Shirley]

The more I look into it the more likely that could be the case

[lethal moat]

Could be

[hexed forge]

For AUGUSTUS it would be.

Herrersaurus.Site12-SYNTH.174 [AUGUSTUS]

https://tenor.com/view/makes-sense-dean-winchester-supernatural-talk-he-has-a-point-gif-17289842

Or atleast I think it could make sense

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bey1E.gif

[hexed forge]

I have no idea what the meaning behind that Gif is

[pseudo fable]

It does make sense.

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

I assume it doesnt mean that its correct tho.

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-4723491180103301225

[lethal moat]

Don, since you popped up, I have a question, was the purging of the TOMB part of the multiple events that constitute what we call “the incident”

[hexed forge]

I think he disappeared

[lethal moat]

He’ll be back, trust

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

Something in my gut is telling me that TOMB was purged during the time of us playing.

[lethal moat]

I bet it’s done beforehand

[hexed forge]

I guess it depends whether TOMB is a necessary system for The Replicator to produce life

[lethal moat]

Life and life with human level intelligence aren’t always the same thing

[clear crystal]

Trust…

[lethal moat]

Give it time

[clear crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/sadly-pou-toy-sadly-pou-toys-pou-pou-toys-toys-gif-16878313337569838579

My honest reaction

What is tomb I don’t remember reading anything about that

[lethal moat]

It’s newly update on the lore doc, it’s one if the Replicator’s subsystems that acts as an EIP database, as well as a potential storage area for other things, it has been compared to the library of Alexandria and it has been purged at some point in the story

[clear crystal]

AYO WHAT

Where’d y’all get this from

[hexed forge]

Dondi

[lethal moat]

Dondi comes in and gives hints every now and again

Lorecord likes to connect them and put them on the billboard with red string

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

[hexed forge]

Cant wait to actually get the lore ingame tho, soonTM. Will be fun.

[lethal moat]

More lore hunts will be exciting, especially since I have time at college now

[zenith frigate]

brain hurty

[pseudo fable]

This assumes that "the incident" you've all concocted is even real.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wait-a-minute-wait-what-drop-gif-20055912

[hexed forge]

I dont think the last word is Shirley

[pseudo fable]

And this assumes that purge is even the right word.

[zenith frigate]

i am open to suggestions

[lethal moat]

True, but from our current vision of the (admittedly unfinished) map, things look abandoned, some destroyed, and we assume that there would be a reason (or several) for AE to leave that

Or AE left intentionally and everything is going relatively to plan

[hexed forge]

There seems to be a Y or an H in the middle of the word.

[hexed forge]

That seems unlikely

[lethal moat]

How so

[pseudo fable]

Well, you couldn't play on a functional island so.

https://tenor.com/bi7Qn.gif

[clear crystal]

Lmfao

[hexed forge]

Why would they intentionally abandon an island like Gateway

[lethal moat]

Right, so AE is no longer occupying the island, wether that be a part of their plan or not

[lethal moat]

Got to let the ecosystem marinate

[hexed forge]

But theres potentially so many things under gateway that could be viewed as important to AE. Tartarus for example.

Unless they only abandoned the surface.

[lethal moat]

Granted, if it is a part of the plan, then AE is likely putting a ton of trust into the automated systems of the island, or they expect gen 2 to do all the work (this assuming gen 2 has been there the whole time rather than just starting to arrive on gateway)

[clear crystal]

Ae is a billion dollar company with the world in their palm It’s not entirely impossible for them to completely abandon the island bc maybe something wasn’t containable

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bZKbS.gif

[lethal moat]

*Apollo Engineering

[clear crystal]

Tartarus bruh 🤦‍♂️ ae*

Chat I’m cooked

[lethal moat]

Loved that series

[hexed forge]

So Gen2 potentially is keeping the island under control?

[pseudo fable]

Not entirely accurate.

[clear crystal]

Like on a resident evil type vibe if they mess up they move on to the next the hole thing gives me big umbrella corp vibes

[lethal moat]

But yeah, if AE abandoned the island intentionally, then whatever broke the fences potentially happened afterwards (let the elite squad get eaten by dinos )

[clear crystal]

But like WORSE

Way worse

[lethal moat]

#isle-discussion message

[clear crystal]

O

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-bad-guy-bad-mean-gif-4526339

[hexed forge]

Something big enough that is able to break fences that are meant to contain hypers.

If the name "Hyper fences" is true.

[lethal moat]

Exposives

[young viper]

Can you say if AE is "scared" of their own creation or they have total control of it?

[hexed forge]

Rival company raid on AEs abandoned island to gather information?

[lethal moat]

That’s my current theory

[hexed forge]

Mmmmm

[lethal moat]

AE does bad things for the greater good, ultimately, they may end up helping way more people than they hurt (and make a lot of money doing it)

Kind of like pharmaceuticals

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, that makes sense

[lethal moat]

Some of you may die (a few times) but that is a sacrifice, that I’m willing to make and you signed up for

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-shrek-gif-22057024

By a few times... you mean 1000 times

[pseudo fable]

It depends on whom you'd ask. The beast has many heads and many limbs. It goes without saying not every head knows every thing about every project.

[hexed forge]

So AE has some communication issues

[lethal moat]

Compartmentalization

[zenith frigate]

likely purposeful

[pseudo fable]

Or some people go off-program.

[hexed forge]

Big word.

[lethal moat]

Useful word

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[lethal moat]

If no one person knows everything, they can’t ruin everything

Easier to salvage

[clear crystal]

Like errant 291?

[lethal moat]

And god help whoever only knows part of something and decides to act on it lol

[hexed forge]

My heart will continue to believe that Errant is a rival company spy

And that Biotrace is a way that AE identifies its employees and assets

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/8kFe.gif

[lethal moat]

I’m willing to believe that

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Are there any other theories on Biotrace?

Havent seen anyone talk about it a lot

[lethal moat]

Hey guys, they invented a plant that is a blood thinner that has zero side effects, lets go steal it.

What on earth was that noise

[hexed forge]

Fun.

The people that steal it being....the rival company? Who are you referencing.

[lethal moat]

I need to pack my car for college, I’ll be spotty

[hexed forge]

👋

[young viper]

What could this be?

[hexed forge]

The first part is Rex's paleo calls (You are talking about the clip right?)

[lethal moat]

Or better yet, wrong island

No plants here

[young viper]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Yeah first part is Rex's paleo calls and the second part... unsure of that being rex calls too.

[hexed forge]

Im intrigued with Site 12 now

Seeing as how my theory from an... hour ago? Could be correct.

Could

[lethal moat]

I need to study legacy stuff again

[hexed forge]

DEAN

[lethal moat]

I think AE intentionally giving other companies bad information through “spies” could lead to some fun test runs of gen 1

[young viper]

I wish this was canon, but AE would probably have to have special sectors for each type of creature control since this thing is huge

I don't think stun guns would work to calm something like that..

[hexed forge]

Lobster concept art

[young viper]

crab

[hexed forge]

Lobster!

[lethal moat]

Is this a “you’re right and it’s funny” or a “you have no idea”

[young viper]

[fast forge]

I wanna play as that

[hexed forge]

Glad to know that Im not the only one that gets confused on what Don gifs mean

[hexed forge]

Mods

[lethal moat]

That’s half the fun

[hexed forge]

Oh time to update the dev quotes

[pseudo fable]

Subterfuge isn't used like that for them.

[fast forge]

I'm acoustic so I just end up even more confused

[young viper]

for a sauropod sized creature, that would go crazy

[lethal moat]

Damn

I imagine Apollo likely does engage in some sort of Espionage/counter espionage?

[hexed forge]

Dev quotes should be up to date, I think.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kong-smash-kong-smash-gif-427415920736111552

[lethal moat]

Thank you sir

[pseudo fable]

Yes. But again, AE does not go on the offensive until required.

[hexed forge]

Colossus Free for all

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-avengers-puny-god-hulk-smash-gif-14162197

[hexed forge]

AE mostly acts in self-defense iirc

[lethal moat]

Preemptive self defense? Or taking back what’s theirs?

[pseudo fable]

Neither.

I said required.

They aren't required to strike first.

[hexed forge]

Retaliation

Maybe thats the correct term.

[snow jasper]

AE's Personal PMC?

[lethal moat]

Well we know gen 1 are a retaliatory product

[hexed forge]

Deimos project

Gen1 airdropping

[lethal moat]

Be afraid

[hexed forge]

yes

[snow jasper]

Surely in some cases gen 1s wont be necessary, or even doable

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/skydive-instructor-hanging-gif-24928948

[lethal moat]

Have any living gen 1 ever left the islands/AE property?

[hexed forge]

I wonder when Gen1s are airdropped, do they need a parachute? Or are they strong enough to survive a fall from x height?

[hexed forge]

Why would Gen1s break out tho? There must be a reason

[lethal moat]

I never said break out

Also, product implies that they were designed to be sold, did that ever happen?

[hexed forge]

Well to leave the island they would need to escape/break out

[snow jasper]

Reminds me of a funny concept proposed, somebody designed a shell to be fired at a precise location which contained a single soldier and their equipment, think of a hollowed out Giant bullet
That'd be far cooler than dropping above a location

[lethal moat]

Or AE leaves them somewhere

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-hellpod-helldive-helldivers-2-hellpod-gif-5849478231444523081

[hexed forge]

I dont think that would count as them leaving,

[snow jasper]

is it from helldivers? i cant remember

[hexed forge]

We know that Gen1s are airdropped on hostile territory

So likely implies them being not on AE territory.

[lethal moat]

You can leave something not under your own power/volition, you could be forced out

[young viper]

Could you explain/talk about how's the relationship between Gen1 and the head that "Knows" about Gen1 project?

[hexed forge]

A... A canon?

[lethal moat]

Pretty much

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

The head of the entire gen1 creation operation likely named the Gen1s, I think thats all we know on the relationship so far.

[fast forge]

why does it look like a suspension bridge? aiming?

[snow jasper]

wait, nvm, this one instead, its like 3x bigger

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

I think we’ve worn this topic out a bit
Do you think AE knew about the eyeless prior to them leaving

[hexed forge]

Depends

[lethal moat]

It’s big enough it doesn’t really aim steady under it’s own power

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-hesitated-awkward-sad-gif-4753587

[hexed forge]

I did

[fast forge]

ohhh, the metal barrel is wobbly because it's so long?

[snow jasper]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Mhm

Paris gun is the oldest one I know of

[hexed forge]

If the Eyeless are truly an improvement granted by The Replicator to Gen1s... then, they probably didnt know prior to them leaving.

[young viper]

Eyeless is an evolved gen1?

[hexed forge]

We think so

An improvement granted by the replicator

Is what we think

[snow jasper]

more like a downgrade

[lethal moat]

It would be funny if there was a secret goober just wandering around for awhile

[young viper]

so the first is still just the normal species?

[lethal moat]

Both are normal

[young viper]

or thats a remodel

oh

[hexed forge]

Both are normal gen1s

What I think is that V1 and V2 are sort of like Pattern A and B for dinosaur skins

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 isn’t one thing and they can vary quite a bit

[hexed forge]

But like way more in-depth

V1 and V2 having actual stat differences instead of just visuals

[lethal moat]

We were basically given different body types, colors, patterns, and headswaps

[young viper]

yeah the only thing that changes is the head in those pics

[hexed forge]

V1 able to hunt things using its mouth, crush things.

V2 perhaps having an echolocation ability

[hexed forge]

Gen1 jumpscare

[lethal moat]

I doubt that will matter in gameplay, possibly just aesthetic

[young viper]

Eyeless has a bigger head and bigger ears than V1

[hexed forge]

We dont have any official eyeless concept yet!!

[young viper]

and no eyes ofc

[hexed forge]

(I think)

[snow jasper]

so v2 isn't eyeless

[hexed forge]

nope

[young viper]

again, why did they create Gen1? money?

[lethal moat]

Probably, start here #1167557586699178054 message

[hexed forge]

"What if something happens to AE"

[young viper]

#unknown

[hexed forge]

Hits* AE

[young viper]

[hexed forge]

Wait are you not in lorecord 🗿

[young viper]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-bmr-vigilante-force-what-the-hell-have-you-been-doing-gif-11958788382321301224

[lethal moat]

Would you like an invite?

[hexed forge]

Sent you an invite in DMs if you want to join

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167557586699178054/1268426416316481536/image0.jpg?ex=66be2de7&is=66bcdc67&hm=8fbd5cc066745734ab47c1daf3af4543a18e6b9287ce1662edd93350d973627e&

[lethal moat]

I got spooked when the invite was on reddit for a short time lol

[hexed forge]

You can thank Tamim for that...

[lethal moat]

He meant well

[lethal moat]

I live for AE’s (or rival companies’) “oops moments”

[acoustic osprey]

Heck
Why didn't we think of Site 12 earlier

[hexed forge]

I don't know.

That thought only came up when I was watching an old legacy video..

[acoustic osprey]

The only problem is
Where does lineage go?

[hexed forge]

SYNTH

Maybe SYNTH means something

The meaning related to lineage

[acoustic osprey]

We know what it means

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[acoustic osprey]

Relating that it's a synthetic creature made by the machine (Replicator)

But it's also a shorthand
Aka. Used as an abbreviation/ease

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[acoustic osprey]

You wouldn't put SYNTH together in it's full actual name

Either you write SYNTH.003 [SHIRLEY]

or
TYR.12-S.003 [SHIRLEY]

[hexed forge]

Is there a screenshot of Don saying that part of the identification being lineage/location

Just want to find the context

[acoustic osprey]

It's from a stream

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Basically shortly after we got the augutus video

[hexed forge]

The S can't be just a shortened version of SYNTH?

[acoustic osprey]

It might be
But the way how Dondi wrote sounds unsure on that front

But
If you want to look at it open minded

Maybe?

The thing is though
why do it?

We know natural born animals are born with a different naming scheme

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[acoustic osprey]

However we can't be 100% sure on that
As that sentence about such didn't seem completely whole

[hexed forge]

Yea

Could the S be related to EIPs perhaps...?

I'm just shooting in the dark at this point, trying to state random theories.

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially

[lethal moat]

If there is an Allosaurus important to lore and it ends up getting entombed, I would be less upset of it getting destroyed

[hexed forge]

Allosaurus does not deserve lore

[hollow crane]

diablos get a bad rapo but as a steg who was wanting water and alone they protected me

[lethal moat]

Wrong channel?

[hollow crane]

maybe

[lethal moat]

Lol

[hollow crane]

vodka so yeah

[hexed forge]

[hollow crane]

or all right channels lol

[clear crystal]

I can tell y’all one thing if gen 1s come out I’m on that.

[median shuttle]

new lore last night as well?

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[bold crater]

Sorry if this is answered elsewhere, but what exactly are EIPs?

[nova cypress]

Me too dude me too

[hexed forge]

In legacy they were the human consciousness in dinosaurs.

[icy onyx]

Embryo Intelligence Profile is the name iirc?

[bold crater]

Mkay I remember something about that 😮 Is it still the same in Evrima or nah? I remember talk of the whole human minds thing potentially being scrapped.

[icy onyx]

I think the human mind stuff might be scratched but EIP's are still a thing in lore in a new form. nothing is fully confirmed other than EIP's are a thing

[nova cypress]

Noo it was a cool concept

[bold crater]

I see. Thank you
Personally I hope it's not human consciousnesses anymore since, at least to me, that kinda makes the creatures less scary/unsettling to me. I like to imagine them as their own beings rather than "oh it's just some guy"

Not to say the concept of transferring a human's mind into a "dinosaur" isn't unsettling in itself. It's just not my cup of tea in this instance heehee

[icy onyx]

If they do go down the human mind route still I think having the beings used either being unwilling subjects or unaware they were once human could keep that unsettling/ scary aspect

[bold crater]

Yeah there's definitely ways it can be done right If it is a thing still, I do hope it's what you said of them being unaware they were once human. Kinda blends them being their own being and human together.

I can already imagine that leading to uh...."memories" being brought up that are not supposed to happen.

[icy onyx]

I have no mouth, and i must scream esque horror is just

[bold crater]

It's especially unsettling if it's more so they only partially remember. AKA "I know something is very, very wrong, but I don't know what." and all it can do is just freak out like any other animal would.

[hexed forge]

Only thing we know about EIPs is that they exist and they are connected to TOMB

(All we know about it in evrima)

[bold crater]

And TOMB is like a big collection of information, right?

[icy onyx]

Gives me D1 The Worlds Grave vibes with a name like that

[lethal moat]

EIP database, potentially more than that

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

my take on it

[lethal moat]

I’m very hesitant on EIPs, because we may have seen a total of zero so far, or every dino except the dibblets could have one

[low scarab]

Eips are a touchy subject for sure

We have a lot to learn

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/long-journey-ahead-gif-11706192

[muted reef]

Genie in a bottle give me access to the complete isle lore

[patent ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1266957768795885578/The_Isle_Lore.gif

[low scarab]

I would definitely ask for that in one of my wishes

[vague hornet]

I have a feeling that the isle is about creatures that lived millions of years ago

[muted reef]

Well then my other two wishes would be wolverines powers and no feeling pain

[low scarab]

The isle is the game we’ve all dreamed for all the lore I could ask for and money

The genie can wait another 10,000 years before he is freed

[muted reef]

The question is how much money

Actually I'd wish as my 3rd wish for him to forget the conversation so I could do whatever I please, and then I'd set him free

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-kid-doctor-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-spider-man-no-way-home-sorry-to-hear-that-gif-23878381

[fast forge]

like it takes place in the far future?

[vague hornet]

yeah and theres these weird cameras on the islan

[bold crater]

This is strange (in a cool way!) since just earlier, I was thinking a similar thing, that the minds are more so "templates" of sorts and not literally just plopping a person's entire identity into a dino body.
Neat!

[low scarab]

spoopy replicator

[lethal moat]

Monitoring system maybe

[low scarab]

? i thought it was confirmed that was the replicator

[bold crater]

Replicator Observation: On

[lethal moat]

The replicator is a collection of systems

The replicator watches through the cameras

Not a massive stretch to assume it uses it for monitoring it's creations

[low scarab]

i like the idea that "the replicator sees all"

[bold crater]

If it's a collection of systems, I wonder what system could be considered the "brain". Unless it's pulling an Octopus on us and it's brain is everything. >:C

[lethal moat]

Both sounds fun

[bold crater]

I like the idea of it getting really upset if we disable cameras hee hee.
But that's if it has enough intelligence to feel being upset 😮

Hmm....I wonder if we could actually damage the cameras in-game to affect it somehow.

[hexed forge]

Nice pfp

[bold crater]

It's just too good

The smug aura is infectious

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/camera-break-drama-angry-stopwatching-gif-5913225

[bold crater]

https://tenor.com/view/marc-spector-moon-knight-gif-25387201

[low scarab]

lol fr didnt even notice it until now

glorious

[lethal moat]

"Protect your systems" vs "help the assets survive" when the allo knocked over the trail cam

[bold crater]

[random kayak]

the reason for the lack of ai is because the worm from dune is taking them away

[lethal moat]

GUTS tunnels maybe lol

[bold crater]

W o r m

[lethal moat]

Rise my child

[bold crater]

We are blessed

[lethal moat]

Ooga boogaloo

[bold crater]

🪱 🙏

[young viper]

So I tried to do a size comparison using hyper rex as a size example, it's probably not right but it's the best I could come up with

still think that collosus is a bit smaller

[lethal moat]

Matriarch for the win (that's the lower size estimate of the unofficial concept)

[young viper]

but

i see that rex is trying to get a bit up the collosus, so it should be bigger

In a matter of height

[lethal moat]

I based the size off of the sucho in this second to last stage

[clear crystal]

Does this thing have a bobbit worm mouth appendage?

[lethal moat]

Yessir

[clear crystal]

Gnarly

https://tenor.com/view/cool-butt-head-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e4-dope-gif-10684855069912250488

[lethal moat]

It's unofficial, but it's one of the best ones we have

[clear crystal]

It’s supposed to be the matriarch?

[lethal moat]

Yes, we have no official matriarch art yet

[unborn knot]

Your welcome

[lethal moat]

The olden times

[unborn knot]

i think thats the reaper

wdy thing

[lethal moat]

That’s the old cannibal I believe

Well

Eyeless

[unborn knot]

theres a spike onit tho

[lethal moat]

They have claws

[unborn knot]

no no no on its arm

on its shadow theres a little window of light coming through

[lethal moat]

I am willing to bet 3 cheese sticks and a sun drop that it’s the eyeless

[unborn knot]

fight me

Rumple, im coming out od the closet.

I am an allosaurus main i think

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/swarm-the-hunger-games-mockingjay-part2-attacking-horde-mutts-gif-16225271

[unborn knot]

FENNICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE THOSE THINGS poor fennick...

[lethal moat]

They were great

And hey, genetically engineered humanoid attack dogs

[pseudo fable]

That's a screenshot from one of the many countless "i'm just doing this for research" videos that just take our assets and re-assemble them in editor. Not from us.

Pretty certain that thing is on the marketplace.

[lethal moat]

Epic

@unborn knot I owe you 3 cheese sticks and a sundrop

[patent ginkgo]

You should owe me several plants

Strain plants preferably

[molten monolith]

Bro is cooking

[unborn knot]

dang it...

[acoustic osprey]

Nah
Old cannibal model was light grey

[lethal moat]

Yeah, I owe Silky cheesesticks and a soda

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

I want to find some of the old videos I have of them

[clear crystal]

So what all do y’all know about the eyeless?

[strange shell]

They don't have eyes

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[clear crystal]

Ok so the eyeless is more than one entity

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

we don't really know
yet

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[clear crystal]

Any links to some documents that mention them?

[acoustic osprey]

no

[clear crystal]

Say what

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-gru-money-in-terms-of-money-we-have-no-money-gif-17689419

[clear crystal]

Well how do we even know it or they are a thing

[acoustic osprey]

Dondi

[lethal moat]

It's been mentioned in that thing I sent you

This is all we know

[clear crystal]

Well who the hell made that

https://tenor.com/view/alice-rabbithole-falling-tumbling-bye-gif-25381436

[lethal moat]

This is the basic lore doc we all use

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit?pli=1

[clear crystal]

So it could have been anyone that put that in there?

[acoustic osprey]

no

[lethal moat]

I put it in

[acoustic osprey]

we know about old Cannibals (Eyeless) are as a thing from legacy

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message This is what we know

[acoustic osprey]

^ we just know they exist in current lore to some degree

[clear crystal]

But wouldn’t that be gen 1s the eyeless is described as a 1.5

[acoustic osprey]

we don't really know
We just know "they're more or less like Gen1.5"

[neon gorge]

mother ||replicator|| watches all

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-gothel-mother-knows-best-rapunzel-gif-5568407

[lethal moat]

Matriarch?

[neon gorge]

the replicator

[lethal moat]

M A T R I A R C H

[neon gorge]

the new meme will be mentioning the matriarch on the podcast but never having a dedicated ep for it

[lethal moat]

I need more info

[neon gorge]

I know. we all do

[drowsy escarp]

Hey guys, may I ask? Whats gen (1,1.5 etc)?

[lethal moat]

This is gen 1

This is gen 2 #isle-phase-three message

We haven't seen gen 1.5

[drowsy escarp]

Thanks

[lethal moat]

Np

[snow jasper]

I want a gen 1 called dale

im going to draw a gen 1 and he‘d be stylised accordingly

[acoustic osprey]

Gerald

[unborn gorge]

wtaf is that

is this isle lore or dying light lore

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-kitty-sad-cat-cat-cat-meme-gif-10031878163830317345

[snow jasper]

always been the isle

though, there have been islands of many

[unborn gorge]

can i get a quick explanation on those ZOMBIES

they look cool

[neon gorge]

the replicator that makes the dinos, what if we tried to make humans or somethin.

[neon gorge]

i can grab a snipit in the text doc

[neon gorge]

Gen1

check the pins for the google doc

[unborn gorge]

wtaf, the isle lore is actually gangster

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bz7v9.gif

[unborn gorge]

no thank you I found my new obsession in this game

[neon gorge]

Don when will you allow the Matriarch ep for the podcast

[knotty locust]

I wonder what would happen if the matriarch and the echidna met

[fast forge]

allow?
allo.

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/best-friend-friends-friendship-gif-14100415899379078074

[unborn gorge]

[ruby aurora]

Ik who the matriarch is
But who tf is echidna 😂

Nevermind I see the picture

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-beach-cute-animals-gif-13290983

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-so-exhausted-im-gif-2370347607930475190

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3d1ZRDucO6ba7momFsCHxL?si=yd7Cx9lSSvqxZ4335wimPA

Thanks embed (this is the lore podcast’s newest episode)

[hexed forge]

Whats it about?

Mmm nvm just checked

[hexed forge]

Listening to it while cooking.

[lethal moat]

Nice

[lethal moat]

Also, you
You seem fun, you want a lorecord invite?

[clear crystal]

mannn u dont even know what they cooking up is crazy

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/he-has-stuff-you-have-never-seen-he-has-some-crazy-things-wild-unbelievable-crazy-gif-15649240

[unborn gorge]

yes sir 👏

[lethal moat]

I’ll DM you

[unborn gorge]

[hexed forge]

If Golem is a disfigured giant creature, what if it's connected to the Colossus.

Or perhaps the Matriarch.

[lethal moat]

Potentially

[hexed forge]

But then is Golem-Ceti two different things?(Golem and Ceti being two different creatures) Or are they both the same thing.

[lethal moat]

All I could find with Ceti is Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence, don’t think that applies, though maybe ceti could designate intelligence

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

Large disfigured creature that demonstrates a large level of intelligence

Something is screaming Matriarch at me

[lethal moat]

We don’t know how smart the matriarch is

But she is obviously the smartest and the best of all time

[hexed forge]

I sense some bias

But either way,

It's possible that the Matriarch has an amazing level of intelligence

[lethal moat]

Me? Nooooo, you insult me sir https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152480773987913759/1273895038639800361/image.png?ex=66c046b5&is=66bef535&hm=a51dc493348b00012396db92126542b060035ad620eca058d0b289e6497defae&

[hexed forge]

Haha

[lethal moat]

Or it could just be another animal

[hexed forge]

What other animal fits that possible description?

[lethal moat]

Any neuro I would guess

Dean maybe

[hexed forge]

Doubt Dean

[meager junco]

Stink

[hexed forge]

But could be a neuro strain yeah

[hexed forge]

Your name is Shirley

[meager junco]

The best

[hexed forge]

So Dean stink

[meager junco]

Yes(until it’s revealed he’s a neuro or has to do with neuro)

[icy onyx]

proto-neuro (jk)

[lethal moat]

That is something that’s been brought up as a theory

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm

[icy onyx]

If true, would that imply AE had knowledge of strains beforehand (before asset creation) or discovered them through "failed"/mutated specimens. (I haven't paid much attention to Dean so idk what he'd be classed as)

[lethal moat]

Or they needed inspiration for the strains

[icy onyx]

oohh good point

[young crane]

Guys i think humans are monitoring the dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179605042618175488/1229174325744242758/Diabloceratops_Migration_Data_Short_Gif.gif?ex=66c0668c&is=66bf150c&hm=e4209e3314a71e8cf4d1afdf8300a90a173ed876e46119fcc53d0ce3185e259f&

[hexed forge]

Yes.

[low scarab]

Tuffff

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[tacit loom]

whenever i think about this channel this is what shows up in my head

[valid furnace]

Did I just ask about matriarch in #phase-three-requests at the right time, because before I sent that I haven’t heard anything about it in months

[acoustic osprey]

?

that's more so a question for yourself
did you?

[hexed forge]

Phase three requests aren't always accepted

[lethal moat]

I would love some stuff on it

[hexed forge]

He did

[valid furnace]

No mine wasn’t, but this channel started talking about it after my request and a dondi answer

[hexed forge]

[valid furnace]

Before that I haven’t heard the word “matriarch” in months

[acoustic osprey]

which answer?

[lethal moat]

We're always talking about it lol

[acoustic osprey]

^ you are!!

[valid furnace]

Bro where have I been I dead haven’t seen anything about it

[lethal moat]

(Not official at all but I love it)

[hexed forge]

I don't think this helps his question

[lethal moat]

I consistently bring it up lol

[hexed forge]

I brought up the Matriarch earlier today

[valid furnace]

There’s been more use of the word “matriarch” in the past week than the past 3 months according to discord search engine

[hexed forge]

Yay

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[acoustic osprey]

(to be fair, someone made an unofficial analysis of Matriarch on YouTube. So a large portion of people came in asking about her)

[valid furnace]

Dondi added me to the isle lore this a dream come true

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[lethal moat]

But I want it now!

[hexed forge]

Saw it

I no like the green at the start of the video

But it's meant to be legacy styled I guess

[valid furnace]

Uncle dunkle made it I believe

[acoustic osprey]

someone like that yeah

[hexed forge]

Are they even in islecord

[lethal moat]

They're cool

[acoustic osprey]

yes cerato

[hexed forge]

Have they said anything in this channel?

[valid furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQyui_AoKp0

[lethal moat]

Top comment

[valid furnace]

The goat

[hexed forge]

Whose the top comment?

[patent ginkgo]

That video has been really popular

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[valid furnace]

I still have some isle lore from the 2010’s in the back of my head floating around

Tribal vs cannibal wars

[hexed forge]

That's why BOB ISAAC SHERMAN!! needs to make more isle lore videos

[lethal moat]

Same thing

[patent ginkgo]

So true

[hexed forge]

They are the same thing

In evrima lore

[acoustic osprey]

erm

[acoustic osprey]

not in the before days (before don clarified in 2018)

[hexed forge]

No erms, only numbers and profits

https://tenor.com/view/chart-calculating-gif-14969083

[acoustic osprey]

Bob Smith

[patent ginkgo]

“The great clarification of ‘18”

[lethal moat]

It's all about that mone

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-gif-26300412

[hexed forge]

Only to get unclarified and reworked 2 years later

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hexed forge]

joke

[acoustic osprey]

why

[hexed forge]

Why not

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[hexed forge]

Profit

[zenith frigate]

gimme all your money

[acoustic osprey]

why

[lethal moat]

I feel like if the Matriarch had an EIP, life feels like a rollercoaster

[zenith frigate]

i want

[acoustic osprey]

imagine it consumes EIPs

[lethal moat]

How?

[acoustic osprey]

from EIP
to an EIP with many EIPs within

a mind without a mind

[lethal moat]

Mind flayer thingy?

[hexed forge]

That seems like a fun idea

Multiple EIPs trapped. With no way out.

[acoustic osprey]

thinking more playing on the idea of consuming aspects and becoming such
so you put that idea with EIPs as well

[hexed forge]

With only 1 or two having full control of the body

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-venom-extra-terrestrial-creature-symbiote-alter-ego-venom-gif-12368821

[acoustic osprey]

yes
but more!!

[lethal moat]

Rat King style conciousness

[hexed forge]

It's pretty much confirmed that we are getting Docks with the NV right?

[lethal moat]

No confirmed, but I think it's likely

[hexed forge]

Can't wait to explore the Docks for any secrets. Hopefully comes next week.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-god-of-war-knees-gods-gif-17928519

[hexed forge]

Also the fact that swamps were/will be expanded... wonder if that dome thingy on the old concept will come too.

Who has the concept

[muted reef]

Like a bridge between them?

[lethal moat]

This?

[zenith frigate]

DAMMIT

I HATE JFIF

[lethal moat]

Tsk tsk

[hexed forge]

Yes

The small dome in the middle of the swamp

[lethal moat]

It is important to explore other things, not just the docks

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[hexed forge]

Botany... perhaps.

[zenith frigate]

if ever there was a place for a secret underground lab
it would be in the swamp

[lethal moat]

Harder to build/maintain tho

[zenith frigate]

or the volcano

[hexed forge]

Underground... eh

I don't think Swamps has good enough soil for proper underground structures

[hexed forge]

Geothermal power plant

[lethal moat]

Would be cool

[zenith frigate]

if a fusion reactor is not at least mentioned in the lore i will be a little sad

[lethal moat]

I could take it or leave it

[zenith frigate]

i could settle for 5 troodons running on wheels though

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[hexed forge]

Average day as an EIP

[acoustic osprey]

why

[patent ginkgo]

Woah!

[zenith frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[lethal moat]

Actual EIP footage

[hexed forge]

Plant.

[hexed forge]

Wah oh

[worthy ingot]

sorry to sound oblivious but has anything about Tartarus been mentioned or found? new here btw

[lethal moat]

Two things

[acoustic osprey]

^

[lethal moat]

Mentioned twice in the Augustus video and two really obscure frames in the dibble video

[worthy ingot]

ill check them out thank you

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1247356583478820935/Idid_the_funny.png?ex=66c149d8&is=66bff858&hm=de81039f92c86a8ba1c0648d6e4bb59a05ebcd0768852ab177db304b897a76c7&
This is what the Tartarus reference practically looked like in the Dibble TCAM video

but it's heavily distorted and you can only make out the word "tartarus"
the word placement of tartarus is correct - just the words around it are just filler

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1273043740726136843/image.png?ex=66c1225f&is=66bfd0df&hm=8ff0f276b787f38dd9648b3314a85f31db0e61da4550a62de0a5f697ec570cfa&

[worthy ingot]

and what is the current theory on this if there is any

[lethal moat]

Creation and containment facility for the biggest and most powerful on the islands

[acoustic osprey]

containment facility is the most confirmed we can get out of it right now as well ^

creation was an aspect we knew in Legacy

have to wait for more information ...

[worthy ingot]

Tartarus, from the name we can concur is some sort of under ground facility to contain as rumple said big dangerous creatures right

[acoustic osprey]

most likely, aye

[lethal moat]

That’s the general assumption

[acoustic osprey]

it may be a large facility containing several aspects
but it's all up to speculation atm with that aspect

[worthy ingot]

hmmmmm i see

[hexed forge]

However I don't think it's a creation facility

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it has that as an aspect

[hexed forge]

I'm leaning towards Site 12 to be a major creation facility for some reason.

[lethal moat]

Since you’re new, take a look at this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[lethal moat]

I disagree, Tartarus has too many kids in greek lore

[acoustic osprey]

Site 12 / AE-001 were both islands

[worthy ingot]

oh its like a summary i presume?

[lethal moat]

For what we know, yea

[hexed forge]

Facility/Island yeah

[acoustic osprey]

in legacy
they were islands

[hexed forge]

I don't understand.

[worthy ingot]

okay ill have a read thank you

[lethal moat]

Tartarus is both a being and a place

[hexed forge]

Oh that

Mmmm

[hexed forge]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Gaia and Tartaros

[lethal moat]

Got to love the giants

[acoustic osprey]

monsters!!

[lethal moat]

Depends on your perception

[hexed forge]

I still see Site 12 to be a major creation island facility

I'm mainly thinking that because of the identification codes on Dean, Shirley, and Augustus.

[acoustic osprey]

grandfather of the lot

[hexed forge]

What was the context of Site 12 appearances in legacy lore?

[acoustic osprey]

Loading screen
the incident reports
old legacy video title card
Olympus Transmitter
Isle Twitter

[lethal moat]

Olympus Transmitter

[hexed forge]

Will look at all of that tomorrow. But now I rest.

[acoustic osprey]

why

[iron anchor]

did you guys theorize if tartarus is one of the replicators system

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[lethal moat]

If it’s a facility, there could be systems inside, but I doubt it’s exclusively for the replicator to do it’s thing

[iron anchor]

exclusive in what sense, is the tomb more exclusive than other things?

[lethal moat]

We know the TOMB is an EIP database that is likely a part of the replicator’s systems, but that doesn’t mean that’s all it’s used for, databases are meant to be drawn from, the replicator doesn’t need to be the only one doing that necessarily

[iron anchor]

ah ok

[lethal moat]

The replicator might monitor tartarus and get information from it and interact with it, but I don’t believe because something contributes to the replicator, it is entirely the replicator

[iron anchor]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

System Access Locked
Awaiting User Input
. . .
Site AE-12 Verified
Sat Link Verified
. . .
Syscheck Error
Network Integrity
Compromised
. . .
Electromagnetic
Fluctuation Detected
In Sector 4
. . .
-Search Query-
AE System Directory
Site I-04 / AE---
. . .
Sector H4
Lockdown Protocol Reset
. . .
Req. VDoc #47
Fatality Investigation Report
. . .
Indent
AE-012. TRX 8443
Req. Val: N/A
. . .
Apollo Core
O N L I N E
. . .
WARNING!
Gateway Containment Failure
. . .
-Search Query-
AE System Directory
Site I-04 / AE---
. . .
ERROR- Insufficient Replicator
Purging Data Buffers
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
Triangulating Asset Location
. . .
Updating Island-Manifest. . .
. . .
Applying Ultraviolet Protection
. . .
Updating Island-Manifest. . .
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
ERROR- Insufficient Replicator Data
Purging Data Buffers

AE-IPS-023
ASSET RELOCATION
DUE TO THE COLLAPSE OF THE AQUATICS LAB, ALL ACTIVITIES AT SITE-(2 LETTERS) ARE TO BE SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. ALL VIABLE BIO-ASSETS AND PERSONNEL ARE TO BE ISOLATED TO SITE-(1 LETTER) UNTIL GEOLOGICAL INTEGRITY OF (5 LETTERS) IS CONFIRMED. STRUCTURES AT SITE-(2 LETTERS) ARE TO REMAIN AS IS FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE USE SHOULD ISLAND STABILITY RETURN.

TRX 8443
REQ. VAL: N/A

SYSCHECK
G/S ERROR
SELECT-
RNA V1.4
COMPATIBLE

REMOTE TRACK
RECON SECTORS

VERIFY LOCKDOWN PROTOCOL

WARNING:
CONTINGENCY PROTOCOL OFFLINE

SELECTING TARGET
FOR IMAGING:

SELECTING TELEMETRY
TRACKING:

SYSTEM READY
ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATION DETECTED IN SECTOR 4

WIND VELOCITY: NORMAL
WATER SALINITY: NORMAL
PRECIPITATION: NORMAL
SEISMIC ACTIVITY: PROBLEM

SYSCHECK ERROR
NETWORK INTEGRITY
COMPROMISED

SITE:AE-012
SAT. LINK: VERIFIED

APOLLO CORE
ACCESS GRANTED

WIND VELOCITY: NORMAL
WATER SALINITY: NORMAL
PRECIPITATION: NORMAL
SEISMIC ACTIVITY: PROBLEM

ELECTROMAGNETIC FLUCTUATION DETECTED IN SECTOR 4

SYSTEM READY
ROOT-LEVEL ACCESS RESTRICTED
INVALID PRIVILEGES

RECEIVING TELEMETRY TRACKING
TRACKING TARGET
IMAGING

SECTOR AT-C
WARNING:
CONTINGENCY PROTOCOL OFFLINE

SECTOR AT-C
-SEARCH QUERY-
AE SYSTEM DIRECTORY
SITE I-04 / AE ---

SYSCHECK
G/S ERROR
SELECT-
RNA V1.4
COMPATIBLE

IDENT
TRX 8443
REQ. VAL: N/A

https://gyazo.com/7060243056b75e8ed4ee72b5f28d23a0

[lethal moat]

That last thing, Site-12 as Olympus?

[acoustic osprey]

we know Site 12 was also dealing with a lot of wacky weather and geological issues

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm
i wonder if that relates to the 291 papers

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[nocturne osprey]

Perhaps the Dino creation and containment was for war purposes, “bio weapons”

[random copper]

there's more efficient ways to go about bio weapons. Depends on what the target is but genetically engineered virus would be one.

i just think war dinosaurs seem a bit implausible.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-good-gif-18339262

[nocturne osprey]

What other major reason would people have for trying to contain and create dinosaurs other than research?

Also, dinosaur cloning and containment would be a bloody expensive task for any company, especially with the gates and walls and fences used in gateway

[random copper]

somehow, advancement of medicine plays into it. Idk how research with dinosaurs would benefit humanity though. That, and creating the perfect human through gen1 and gen2s.

[acoustic osprey]

apparently, within a podcast episode, we actually answered why dinosaurs

but the money issue doesn't seem to be a very big issue of any sorts

We don't really know how The Replicator works - but it may be pretty cost effect, albeit energy may be of concern

^ being that Apollo Engineering is just a subsidiary of "Apollo"

[random copper]

Maybe the goal has to do with gain-of-function? Making the perfect human in anticipation of some kind of global event or downfall of civilization.

[acoustic osprey]

which seems to be invested in several fronts/fields
like botany, food and pharmaceuticals

[nocturne osprey]

It’s a monumental task for just research. Given that they were looking for something, possibly a way to modify the human gnome, it could be a mass experiment on mutation and and genetic distortion, and the Dino’s are used for that, but why the war sounds in the legacy menue?

[acoustic osprey]

We do know AE have an eye for "fixing the climate"

I don't imagine, though, Dinosaurs are completely related to fixing the climate
if anything, only quite minutely

[random copper]

and i remember hearing that there was some kind of problem with food in the outside world.

lack of food

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say "looking to find a way to modify the human genome"
just because we know they already have done it - at least twice as well; the first hugely (externally)
and the second seemingly only minutely externally affected

but it's not to say AE wouldn't experiment with such

we recently found out at lot of their "replicated" creatures pertain a lot more anomalous ('mutatious') behaviour

looking at AUGUSTUS with his anomalous climbing behaviour

[acoustic osprey]

i think you might confusing two aspects in one

[nocturne osprey]

Possibly to harvest for food as well as genetic research?
Plus money is actually a major factor, as what company, even one as ambitious as Apollo, would invest so much as to buy one or more islands, build major security infrastructure such as the walls, gates and fences, and create a cloning machine to create these behemoths and use manpower to monitor, research and maintain these facilities at the risk of their own lives?

[acoustic osprey]

wasn't saying money couldn't be a problem
but we know it wasn't really much of a problem because of how powerful Apollo is as their mother corporation

but AE started in Food
so I wouldn't be surprised if - for food - they practically played around genetically with such

looking at what works better

[nocturne osprey]

Ik, but We’re talking about an investment in the millions, possibly billions of dollars here,

[acoustic osprey]

we know they do play around with dino food - as referred to in the Diablo video

[acoustic osprey]

Oh for sure
even just looking at Perm (the big dome/hexadome)

there's a lot of money to be placed in
I wouldn't disagree that Apollo has put a lot on AE
Add a bit of ego on top as well for them

[nocturne osprey]

And then there’s those domes, we know nothing about them so far, what were they built for? What do they need to contain that requires such enormous facilities? Hypos? And we’re the hypo dinosaurs an accident? Or deliberately?

Ego makes a lot of sense as well

[acoustic osprey]

besides that they house environments for whatever X research

their extent has definitely not been explored at all though

[nocturne osprey]

Hopefully we get more on those when the devs cheap out all their mechanics

[acoustic osprey]

it's something you kinda glance over due to being so in your face
would actually like to get some lore on them soon

[nocturne osprey]

Same!

[acoustic osprey]

definitely.
I imagine that stuff being updated a lot more sooner now being that Gen2s are practically in development now - at least, apparently so

lots to wait for!

a lot of us in lorecord are really hoping to see a lot of tiny lore-esque (mostly worldbuilding) stuff being dropped in the next HT; which has docks

[nocturne osprey]

Indeed, but there’s also those tunnels, I doubt they were built JUST for transportation, where do they lead?

[acoustic osprey]

we just know that they're all/or mostly under the 'GUTS' system

which unofficially officially means "generic underground transport system"

but the thing is.
It's not the name in-lore (just Don's headcanon name)
which can be intriguing

we know truly almost nothing on them

just hoping they're labyrinth-esque

we do know they've been testing non-euclidean geometry for the tunnels! (basically portals without the immediate transportation)

[nocturne osprey]

We know one thing for cetain, the Isle is only just getting back on its feet, and there's MUCH more to be discovered as we play the game!

[acoustic osprey]

almost feels like 2018 again with the growing hype

[thick bough]

Is the isle kind of like jurassic park where the animals are imperfect genetic amalgams of various parts to make a roughly approximate whole?

[acoustic osprey]

with JP lore
it's more so
InGen are making dinosaur dinosaurs using dinosaurs - even if they are "inaccurate", putting other genetic-aspects within the genome

with Isle lore it's less that
and it's more so creating a creature in which may resemble a dinosaur

[thick bough]

So are they just labeling the animals after whatever they resemble

[acoustic osprey]

practically, yes

[thick bough]

peak science

So there’s no prehistoric dna involved like jp

[acoustic osprey]

practically, from what we can presume and see

if there is any prehistoric dna
it doesn't seem to be any related to how JP does it

[thick bough]

I see I see

[thick bough]

On this I always interpreted it that the InGen dinos are more akin to monsters built with dinosaur DNA as opposed to actual animals, hence why they come with a whole range of inaccuracies and wacky abilities (like the chameleon carnotaurus)

[acoustic osprey]

that was definitely highlighted in the books better as well
at least, the effect of such (shown in the books)

[thick bough]

Lost world movie kinda touched it with Grant going on about how they aren’t dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[thick bough]

so is the island’s human infrastructure going to be overrun in the final Game? Or do humans still control the island

[acoustic osprey]

from what we know
generally

we play post-incident (that term is not truly correct anymore but get's to the point)

so, likely, not 100+ years in the future

but we likely do play some time in the future for the majority of all maps we'll eventually play on

if we ever get up to it
I can imagine the "Hunting Lodge" map being more so during AE's more active presence on islands

so yeah, mostly infrastructure being overrun/weathered/worn

[thick bough]

I see I see makes sense

do we know where in the world it takes place

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mc-mahon-gulp-gulps-nervous-uh-oh-gif-16217862

not really

and trying to find it has not helped

South America?
no
Czech/Germany?
no
South East Asia?
no
NA?
no

those "no"s being more so 'not really'

[thick bough]

Yes first thing I noticed is that between legacy and evrima rhe environment is completely inconsistent

[acoustic osprey]

definitely plays heavily on the idea of AE being botanically quite powerful, which I find quite interesting

[thick bough]

I’ve always had the headcanon it takes place on a peripheral landmass in the area of New Zealand/Vanuatu/New Caledonia because those islands exist in a range where they have both tropical humid climate and cold, temperate climates as well as having coexisting environments of cold Coniferous pine forest and tropic jungle

[acoustic osprey]

then again we have a large amount of South American plants on the island
plus german/czech keyboards
uses english (especially american english)
why can't they pick a location!

[thick bough]

That is true, I’m not familiar with botany so I just see pine trees and palm trees and assume an area where they coexist

[acoustic osprey]

fair lol

[thick bough]

But if they are completely different species geographically then it is probably an artificial environment yeah

[lethal moat]

Did you show them the oranges and cashew screens?

[lethal moat]

I am glad those screens mention CRISPR

[acoustic osprey]

yarg!!!!

[lethal moat]

If these plants were made by the replicator, that’s one more thing that we know about it

Or AE manually made those ones

[acoustic osprey]

I can see AE starting with the replicator
just an early/baby version of such

[nimble fractal]

Plant lore!!

[acoustic osprey]

planting!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1152480773987913759/1236538637210878013/image.png?ex=66c17bd8&is=66c02a58&hm=aa231eafbdc502e70ff68c467f0a042b606aa373329e54e4e459bffe01ebef0b&

[thick bough]

A werewood tree

Big jurassic park visitor center energy

[acoustic osprey]

^^

would like those more so closed-atrium-type of buildings on Gateway at a pretty human-dense area

[thick bough]

cannibal villages raaaa

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 making structures like barn swallows would be cool

[thick bough]

Whole neolithic like cavemen villages

[lethal moat]

Eh, that seems a bit complex for them tbh

They seem like smart animals to me, possibly chimpanzee level of intelligence

[thick bough]

I see I see

No culture then

[lethal moat]

Depends on what you believe about their relationship with the replicator, but I think so

You want an invite to the lore server?

There’s this, but we don’t have the animalistic quote in the archive, so I need to grab that later https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167557586699178054/1174384242332024872/IMG_2358.png?ex=66c1774e&is=66c025ce&hm=08fc097ab0f1267729854d438f484e7ff713c743b8b3624845e1eb7ec8ffb8a9&

[thick bough]

Oh? There is lore server? :0

[lethal moat]

Yes, there’s a podcast there as well

[thick bough]

Cool!

could be neat to poke around and see whats up

[lethal moat]

I’ll DM you

[thick bough]

👍

[lethal moat]

Found it

[fossil nebula]

if thats talkin bout a gen 1, hive mind theory stronger?

[lethal moat]

I very much doubt that, unless there’s neurotenic shenanigans involved

[acoustic osprey]

eyeless

[lethal moat]

Even then, I’d say we don’t know near enough

[thick bough]

well eyeless isn’t exactly an uncommon trait in nature

but I assume they do not spend most of their lives in cave systems do they

[lethal moat]

Artificial evolution can do some funky things

[thick bough]

Is it genetic modification or environmental manipulation

To force evolution

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[thick bough]

I see I see

Well frankly having no eyes is only a benefit if you exclusively operate in zero light conditions

Like a cave

[lethal moat]

In gameplay, it might just be an aesthetic thing

[thick bough]

Otherwise they are just stuck with a very unfortunate mutation (especially considering humans rely so much on their eyesight)

[acoustic osprey]

I hope not with The Eyeless though

[thick bough]

well of course

[lethal moat]

On a scale of 1-10, how human is he, out of curiosity

[thick bough]

more human than anything else alive on earth for certain

Fundamentally same body layout just different proportions

[lethal moat]

Even this fella?

[thick bough]

Isn’t that just a dude

[lethal moat]

That’s gen 2

Kinda yes

[thick bough]

The only way Gen 2 can be labeled a different species is if they’re incapable of producing viable offspring with a human being

And i have a feeling that question

Will never be answered

[lethal moat]

I don’t think that’s a bad thing knowing the internet tbh

[thick bough]

The isle sex scene???

[lethal moat]

The amount of people who have asked “gen 2 nesting?” Is absurd, but back on topic

[thick bough]

But yes same goes for Gen 1 honestly

a chihuahua and a pitbull can make viable offspring (young that can reproduce) therefor are the same species

A donkey and a horse cant because the baby is infertile

So really it doesn’t matter how monstrous they look

It comes down to their

✨ building blocks of life ✨

[lethal moat]

I don’t think gen 1 will be able to naturally reproduce at all, and I don’t want to know for gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

Class...

[thick bough]

Yes it looks like they have a discernible lack of equipment

[lethal moat]

In replicator we trust

[thick bough]

Gen 1s develop stoicism to cope with their inability to ever know parenthood

[lethal moat]

Or they kill everything

[acoustic osprey]

at the time, they seem to do
but we can't say of anything too much till we know that we know how they do things

[lethal moat]

That’s an option

[thick bough]

Therapeutic Violence

[thick bough]

Well going purely by the art I see

If they have no exterior junk then they’re less close to a human being than a goat

Considering all mammals have some degree of external junk

[acoustic osprey]

we know gen2s do

[thick bough]

Forbidden knowledge

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-ares-god-of-war-knees-gods-gif-17928519

i can't actually remember if Don also talked about it for Gen1s as well

[thick bough]

they have a few factors that detract from their ability to be considered the same species as a person

Looking at it purely biologically and not from the obvious fact its all aesthetic choice

For example the fact they have primitive earholes and no external ears like, well, almost every mammal

They’ve also lost their lips which are a key part of the hominid group, the family with all the apes and people and stuff

it could really go either way but we will never know unless a gen1 and a normal person try for a baby

[acoustic osprey]

"lost" or just never really had in the first place

[thick bough]

Well lost because presumably there is some sort of hominid genetics in there

They have an ape skull and walk upright

no hair is a big thing too

Even the most furless mammals have some hair, even whales and hippos

[acoustic osprey]

that assumes we understand the creation aspect of the animals though
'it may look like a duck but it comes from outer space' - like comparing ethnic groups with language/culture. There may be relations but ethnicity =/= culture, just that they intertwine

same thought with dinos though

[lethal moat]

What if it is neither a mammal, a reptile, nor a bird, but a more sinister, 4th thing

[acoustic osprey]

did they use some sort of genetic backing?
Or do they, in the sci-fi lab (Replicator, potentially), design off looks

where there isn't truly a genetic "backbone"/donor
but you could argue X is as close as you can get to "Y"

[lethal moat]

But yeah, I get the feeling traditional rules only loosely apply when you artificially create a being to be a weapon lol

[thick bough]

Well i say this largely because it would be impossible, as far as we understand our own evolution, for them to make a humanoid like that from scratch, it’d need a base, and successive attempts beforehand to concoct it

Mostly because we are what we are ( that is, squishy, obvious, kind of awkward bipedal apes) because our strength and a huge portion of our development lies within our brains. The human body kind of sucks as far as animals go, we have exceptional endurance but in a raw physicality competition thats pretty much it. Low durability, easy to be disabled, etc.

Our strength came from problem solving and pattern recognition

That is to say, if they were simulating growth of a species by controlled evolution, genetics or environmental, they would not get the hyper aggressive ravenous predator that the gen 1 is if they put them through what made humans look like humans

[acoustic osprey]

that's still coming off actual science

this is still a sci-fi world
with higher limitations

we know aspects like Clarke's Third Law can take place

JP was more confined with how it worked with trying to relate a "this could be possible in the real world - while still being basically impossible"

Isle seems to be more on the trek of screwing more "contemporary" limitations
containing new limitations still - just not limited to 'heavy realism sci-fi'

to an extent
"heavy realism sci-fi" as, say, "super low magical sci-fi"

[thick bough]

I suppose but it would have to be a concerted effort to make a human but macro-predatory, in a natural situation the human body-plan is just bad at being an active highly physical predator. (Which is why we have brains, to make tools)

Like it isn’t an outcome that can come from just repetition and exposure to the right environment

[lethal moat]

I am still curious if gen 1 having basic tools is planned

Because it seemed a little iffy last time we asked

[thick bough]

it would make their lethality increase very much

[lethal moat]

Just sharpen a stick by rubbing it on a rough rock and throw it at someone before attacking

[thick bough]

Because it means they have a virtual leg up on every dinosaur, eventually, you just need to put a gen 1 in a testing situation long enough and if it survives it will make something to cope

[lethal moat]

Well here’s the thing (this most certainly doesn’t disprove what you’re saying, I just want to explore something rq)

[thick bough]

whereas a dinosaur only has what it has as it is, claws, nose, eyes, teeth

[lethal moat]

No one island has gen 1, gen 2, normal humans, and dinosaurs on it, so I doubt that gen 1 are on gateway, that being said, there could be an island where gen 1 and dinosaurs are on it, but not gen 2, potentially as it could have been for testing, who knows

[thick bough]

Well if gen 1, gen 2, and humans are all in the environment in a survival setting that is to say the humans aren’t just observers or administrators but in the trenches with everything else

Then there is potential for unanticipated developments in either generation’s mental repertoire

The biggest blockade to any sort of development in Gen 1 though is a lack of language

[lethal moat]

Or a lack of will to not kill things

[thick bough]

Once humans figured out writing we took off like a rocket but it was verbal history (and thus the passage of wisdom and knowledge between generations) that carried us through our first hundreds of thousands of years of life

[lethal moat]

I feel like gen 1’s moment like that could be when they discovered how to interact with the replicator

[thick bough]

But you never know, as weird as they are Gen 1s could have an alternative communication system

Anything that allows an individual to communicate it’s knowledge easily, so that the next one can teach that knowledge despite the original being gone, is equivalent roughly to an oral history

[lethal moat]

I feel like if dinos are able to talk, gen 1 will be able to, but once again, that might just be a gameplay thing

[thick bough]

If dinos are able to talk I am team dinosaur and support the dino takeover

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dinosaur-dinosaurs-sad-depression-gif-892180623002431511

[thick bough]

truth

[hexed forge]

Site 12.. olympus..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

That's a new possibility

2 pieces of evidence supporting that

[fast forge]

Clicking sounds

Perhaps echolocation-adjacent high frequency sounds

[unborn gorge]

they do appear to have ears (or ear holes I suppose) so I can see that

[lethal moat]

Wonder what gen 1's largest flaw is, especially if they are intended to be used against humans, things of lesser physical strength (and presumibly speed), other than the obvious weakness of bullets

Do you just have to overpower it?

[hexed forge]

I mean.. do we know they have a weakness of bullets? Has that been stated?

[lethal moat]

They're humanish sized, and don't look particularly armored, so I feel it's safe to assume bullet is a fair weakness, like most things

[hexed forge]

How tough is their skin?

[lethal moat]

It looks fairly thin, it stretches rather than folds, so it's more elastic than thick

[hexed forge]

Why would AE design something to raid rival company facilities without them having some form of resistance to bullets?

Seems like a bad weapon in a world filled with companies that surely have their guards use guns.

[fast forge]

They probably use stealth, speed, and nocturnal behavior to evade human weapons

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[lethal moat]

Exactly, but it's also larger and likely stronger, which is why I wonder if there's anything humans can do other than shoot it

[fast forge]

It's like saying a ninja doesn't have armor to protect against bullets - they kinda don't need it for what they are doing

Still probably has a lot more resistance to firearms than an average person

[hexed forge]

^ that's what I'm thinking too

Has some form of resistance to bullets, not a complete weakness

[lethal moat]

Alright

So what's to be done against it other than area denial?

[low scarab]

I think you guys are thinking too hard abt it lol

[lethal moat]

I don't think thay're bulletproof

[low scarab]

I’m not saying that either lol I just don’t think tapwing sat down and illustrated the skin in those concepts to portray their resistance to firearms

[lethal moat]

Put combat armor on them

[low scarab]

lol imagine gen 1 wearing bullet proof vests

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Hahaha

[fast forge]

I dunno if it would need the goggles

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-radioactive-man-goggles-do-nothing-acid-flood-gif-9465637

[low scarab]

Magnificent

[young viper]

question

are gen1 alive guns or?

[lethal moat]

They're weapons

[thick bough]

having no eyes is a pretty big flaw

[young viper]

yeah thats the word i was looking for

[lethal moat]

Not all of them are missing eyes

[young viper]

who are they suposed to kill?

[thick bough]

Oh?

[young viper]

So they are used to "end" hostile competition?

[lethal moat]

I feel like they're more defensive

[young viper]

So If hostile competition attacks, do they defend? Like a beehive

[hexed forge]

Retaliatory weapon

[young viper]

They are doing their thing in peace, until someone tries to get in the way

[lethal moat]

Retalitory product may not mean that it was originally intended for violence before it was created

[hexed forge]

[young viper]

But shouldn't a retaliatory weapon just be something non-lethal?

Gen1 looks pretty lethal

[thick bough]

This feels like that fat dude that wanted to use velociraptors like attack dogs

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

It can be lethal I'm pretty sure.

[thick bough]

it depends on the context

And what hostile territory means

nothing is truly ever lethal if it’s sprinting headlong infront of a machine gun

[young viper]

Unless it's an extremely intelligent creature, if you look at it it looks like it would kill the first thing it saw

[hexed forge]

Territory of rival companies is my guess.

[thick bough]

Pov you’re a minimum wage FedEx worker and one of these things gets dropped through the ceiling of the warehouse

[young viper]

Are Gen1 modified humans or something completely lab-grown from birth in a capsule?

[lethal moat]

Lab grown

[hexed forge]

I don't think they are extremely intelligent.

Able to just understand commands is possible tho

Like a dog

[young viper]

Like what the indoraptor should be

[hexed forge]

Attack
Stayback
Retreat

[thick bough]

well indoraptor is a might smarter than a dog

[young viper]

I imagine they used human DNA, from the body shape

Mixed with about 50 other things

[hexed forge]

The teeth of Gen1 V1 remind me of cats for some reason.

[lethal moat]

Or their the original attempt to try and recreate humans

[thick bough]

there is also the question of temperment which is a very big part of training an organism

how aggressive and individualistic is it dictates how receptive it is to being ordered around

[lethal moat]

Canines

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dolittle-tiger-animal-snarl-snarling-gif-25602002

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[thick bough]

well we have canines too

we do be omnivorous

[young viper]

this one has straight teeth

[grand sigil]

i need help with a few questions in the other spot and i dont want to just copy and paste it here because it seems like it would be rude/spam
i doubt there are full/complete answers to the questions though

[hexed forge]

Perhaps not a hunter

[lethal moat]

Bet, I'll move over

[young viper]

a group leader maybe?

[hexed forge]

Damm autocorrect

[young viper]

IF those things hunt in groups