isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

It’s been described as DayZ in the past

I like guns

[rapid chasm]

same game except one is more realistic and the other one is more cartoony

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pew-futurama-phillip-j-fry-pew-pew-pew-billy-west-gif-5364124

[rapid chasm]

i probablyc ant post a picture of a landmine here right

[meager junco]

I kinda wanna replay tarkov cause it genuinely is a great game with a lot of personal customization, but the players there are on another level of cracked(that’s if they aren’t hacking)

[hexed forge]

Anyways, I think Im going to go revisit PCE. Ping me if Don drops something important..

[rapid chasm]

its realism

theres like

[meager junco]

It really is, its why I’m happy the guns will be very similar to how they work in there

[plush widget]

The new buildings were cool af

[rapid chasm]

I hope i will have to clean my gun if I crawl in dirt like irl!

[meager junco]

Get that gun oil ready Dutch!

[rapid chasm]

if this is actually added and theres a rifle in the ak platform im using it

i am not cleaning my weapon thoroughly just for it to jam cause i missed a piece of mud in the breech

[lethal moat]

Yeah, cause AKs are fairly easy to clean and run well if you don’t clean them

[meager junco]

goes to shoot grenade launcher at allo
“Click”
“Uh oh.”

[lethal moat]

I rather doubt it, but it would be a cool addition

[rapid chasm]

honestly if anything aes probably using g3s

[icy onyx]

.308 my beloved

[meager junco]

I’ve seen someone pouring mud in one as it’s shooting, and still didn’t jam

[lethal moat]

Using shotgun blanks for sound traps could also work

[lethal moat]

Garand thumb?

[lethal moat]

Ideally, they’d be using nonlethals

[meager junco]

Nah AK, or at least very similar tiflr

[rapid chasm]

u hguys know that the hyper fences have catwalks in them right

[median shuttle]

so those screenshots of the docks are surely by the watchtower and the weird freshwater source between north and east plains, right?

[meager junco]

Rifle*

[icy onyx]

return of the docktahs

[lethal moat]

No, the youtuber, was it Garand thumb?

[meager junco]

OH

[rapid chasm]

hes talking abt the youtuber btw

[meager junco]

I have no clue maybe it was a bit ago

[lethal moat]

Yeah

And now, tunnels underneath

[icy onyx]

chad sewer troodon vs virgin docktah

[lethal moat]

Yes

[rapid chasm]

i'm gonna blow a hole in a troodon with a 12 gauge shotgun

[hexed forge]

You know what to make now

[meager junco]

Ngl I might just chill most of my playtime in those new bases

[plush widget]

Nice

[rapid chasm]

when those new bases r added im checking them out

[hexed forge]

I cant wait to see 100 dinosaurs at Docks when they release... Primal carnage hell..

[meager junco]

We have no choice to check them out..,.

Rump roll the meme

[hexed forge]

I only have the old version

[meager junco]

It’s good enough

[rapid chasm]

the amount of people i'll be shooting in the back will be crazy when humans release

[zenith frigate]

the amount of people i'll be shooting in the face will be crazy

[icy onyx]

[rapid chasm]

whats ur steam username

[hexed forge]

The amount of people i'll be shooting in the neck will be crazy

[meager junco]

The amount of shooting I’ll be shooting will be insane

I messed up.

[zenith frigate]

the amount of shooting

[rapid chasm]

ur next dude watch ur back in the isle

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-whiskey-whisky-i-see-you-watching-you-gif-25722746

[icy onyx]

AE just observing their superior Gen 2 humans shooting each other in the back for no reason other than just because

[rapid chasm]

what uniforms do u think ae will have

[icy onyx]

"is there friendly fire? lemme check"

[meager junco]

Actual gameplay turns into lore
AE:what have we created…?

[zenith frigate]

lol im pretty sure they're adding clubs as well

[icy onyx]

dude yes

[rapid chasm]

the fresh spawn human watching someone with a club getting gunned down

[meager junco]

I think clubs is a Gen 1 thing but I could be wrong

[icy onyx]

Reject AE modifications. return to caveman

[plush widget]

When do y'all think we will see the introduction of guns?

[rapid chasm]

the second humans get added

[icy onyx]

Next year earliest prob

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256377694380232714/1256377858293497877/rule10.gif

[rapid chasm]

like proper human stuff

[meager junco]

Official human release yeh

Not test gen 2

[icy onyx]

I just want more info on things Humans can do tbh

[zenith frigate]

they're already in kinda but they dont have models or proper functions

5 years

[rapid chasm]

official human release

[meager junco]

Lol

I hoped that Gen 1 might release with Gen 2, but seeing how more diverse Gen 2 will be playing, it’s prob best to release one at a time especially with all the mechanics it’ll bring, bringing in gen 1 would just double the trouble if there’s any problems

[acoustic osprey]

definitely
we see a guy do it in the dibble video

being trailcams
I believe that would be the intention to do so

[rapid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-flight-school-lfs-lvs-funny-stryker-gif-5539278714990680864

[meager junco]

Me watching a screen in the game for the camera , while literally looking at a screen in real life

IMMERSION

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

WOOOOO

[meager junco]

YEEEEH

[rapid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-real-true-fact-checked-fact-gif-6343207587503842551

[icy onyx]

"Not now mom the troodon has just been staring at the camera and my objective is to capture animal behavior for AE bucks"

[fast forge]

troodon player is downstairs making a sandwich

[meager junco]

“Mom I can’t I’m surveying a cera pack that’s right outside my base! I can’t lose this human he’s been alive for 2 weeks!”

[hexed forge]

I see that happening 100%

[meager junco]

I forgot that my friends said they’d finally buy the game when humans came out, hopefully soon

[icy onyx]

Make me wonder how much of an impact Gen 2's could have on the island as a whole depending on what kind of gameplay loop they get in game. If its like, dino players should actively stop them if given the chance or if its just like, simple "turn on the generator" type stuff

[meager junco]

I hope it’s not too deep and complex honestly, I don’t want humans literally having control of the islands

[icy onyx]

not to where dino v human is a big part of the game but like, (just a dumb example) a Allo sees a human working on something that could close off a tunnel door its been using to hunt, it can kill him to prevent it.

[meager junco]

That’s why small Dino’s are the biggest threat, even if you trap one, now you gotta find it if it’s hiding

[icy onyx]

Yeah, thats why i got hopes in Rugops gameplay and possible interactions it could have with Humans and Human stuff.

[meager junco]

I think I might go troodon depending on how they fare against them

I just love that JP:the game vibe they have

I can’t even find a gif of em

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
Troodon makes far more sense to be a human hunter than rugops

[lethal moat]

I’d say I’m more afraid of small dinos than rex, but if rex plays how it’s supposed to and stays where it has concealment, it’s more of a threat to actual convoys and infrastructure

[icy onyx]

it does, dont get me wrong. i just like Rugops too. goofy lil dude

Gen 2's are just sewer rat exterminators for AE

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fea-giant-rat-gif-25069354

[thin vine]

can someone send a picture of the updated lighting compared to the old

[acoustic osprey]

which

[meager junco]

I think it’ll generally be easy to hide from one, but once you’re found, you’re f’ed

[lethal moat]

I look forward to people thinking “human apex predator” and not being sneaky at all

[icy onyx]

Convoys would be such a cool thing to add

[meager junco]

“Cough” catag “cough cough”

[lethal moat]

If we get functioning vehicles, lorecord bout to be drippy as hell

[icy onyx]

heck yeah

[lethal moat]

Also, Hazmat suits

[meager junco]

It looks more positive than it did half a year ago in terms of if they’ll be functional

[icy onyx]

the few concepts that do have hazmats do look drippy

[lethal moat]

#RememberPaul

[meager junco]

Hopefully we get them, but iirc, they were slapped on so that they wouldn’t have to do faces

[muted reef]

Hey its my pfp

[meager junco]

Also would elude to unnatural things or at least chemical spills of sorts

[icy onyx]

Would be unreasonable to think we'd get them in game either tho

I am all about that kind of PPE/FPE gear stuff

[lethal moat]

I want to see the NVGs we’ve heard about in the past

[meager junco]

God that was in the bush rex stream

That was a while back now

[lethal moat]

I miss dev streams

[meager junco]

I do too but we haven’t been exactly starving in 2024 for info and content

[icy onyx]

Yeah, been a good year that ive missed most of

[meager junco]

LOL

[lethal moat]

True

[meager junco]

I’m just happy it seems that HT might be coming to a close soon

[muted reef]

Wth throw ability?

[meager junco]

Mhm

[muted reef]

Since when

[meager junco]

Crush remember

[icy onyx]

Think they'll add the dock stuff to it before ending it or next HT?

[muted reef]

Ik but I didnt think it'd get a throw too

[meager junco]

Don said some Dino’s would get flung

[lethal moat]

Yeet the baby stego

[meager junco]

Small tiers are supposed to be chew toys basically

[icy onyx]

Kinda hoping this HT even if it doesnt reach live server with dibble. New lore hunt possibilities

[muted reef]

Imagine you and a friend as humans chilling pacing through the jungle, and you notice your friend is gone, and then you hear a crack and see him splattered against a tree lmao

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1218426353314037760/8jfrsn.gif

[meager junco]

Where a Rex can just pick one up and play with it

[lethal moat]

Probably next ht if I had to guess

[meager junco]

And mid tiers get flung like JP galli

[hexed forge]

Likely next HT

[icy onyx]

thats what im feeling. but i can dream

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-bite-gif-25572956

[muted reef]

Imagine that but a sub rex and a gen 2

[modern rover]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rats-the-rats-are-coming-the-rat-is-coming-cheese-gif-6284186146533419373

[icy onyx]

The throw(?) animation looks like theyre possibly dabbling in the idea of kill animations though. which is cool

[lethal moat]

I also forgot that rat models were a thing, we’ll probably see some of those there eventually

[modern rover]

RATS RATS RATS YEAAAA

[icy onyx]

Halo 3 rat might have some competition

[muted reef]

Imagine what the smell would be like in there

[meager junco]

Exactly(don even described this scene when he explained crush on stream)

[modern rover]

Can't. I can't smell, IDK what it's like LOL

[muted reef]

It smells horrendous when theres a dead anything

[modern rover]

I would assume :P

[muted reef]

An audio que for humans being near bodies starting to cough a fit due to the smell would be a cool way for dinos to find them

[icy onyx]

frrr. small details like that go such a long way

[muted reef]

Time to add it to the feedback document I horde

[modern rover]

It might be an attack, not a kill animation, which is even cooler

I remember once hearing Dondi compare rex to Broly, so that's all I need to know to understand it's gonna be a cool time

[muted reef]

Skewering an omni on a tree would be sick

[icy onyx]

Rex is just an overgrown loggerhead shrike

[muted reef]

Yo rex can move things thats sick I'm only just now reading the devblog

[meager junco]

I’ve just realized, rex has been in development for 2 years +

[muted reef]

Nevermind all of the buildings are cooler than anything else in the devblog give it to me PLEASE

[icy onyx]

They've certainly given their buildings some STYLE

[meager junco]

The vibe I get just looking at them is pretty neat

happy we’re finally getting changes on the map, and not small ones either

[acoustic osprey]

i'm glad Tap has really gotten down the brutalism style with these AE buildings

[lethal moat]

[muted reef]

In what way?

[lethal moat]

It’s very down to earth with what’s needed, nothing more than what the building needs to do, utilitarianism or something idk

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
looking at the old Iron (art dudes) buildings

they were very average sci-fi

so I'm glad we've gone with this style of buildings

[meager junco]

Yeh they generally look like “Dino facilitates” that you would see in JP

[icy onyx]

Personally i think it sets itself apart from JP/JW buildings

[lethal moat]

Flashy vs what’s needed

[acoustic osprey]

JP had an aesthetic for a park

[muted reef]

It seems like very...dictatorish almost in a way I can't describe it. It looks intimidating and like it was designed solely for efficiency

[icy onyx]

very 90's corporate

[acoustic osprey]

JW had a sci-fi modern vibe to it

[icy onyx]

or soviet industrial even

[meager junco]

I meant more this, not the tourist spots

[acoustic osprey]

(brutalism is just soviet)

[icy onyx]

thats the word i was looking for

[lethal moat]

Maybe we’ll see flashier things on the more public islands, like the hunting island

[acoustic osprey]

brutalism and industrial is the vibe we got in the artworks last year/year before

[muted reef]

Oh I do see what you guys mean by that I just looked up brutalism architecture

[acoustic osprey]

and I'm glad we still have it with the actual models

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[meager junco]

I mean the domes are a bit unique in style as well

[muted reef]

I'd send a pic but I'm image muted

[acoustic osprey]

I'd imagine, seeing as it seems more commercial, that it'd be a bit more flashy

[meager junco]

Ngl this makes me wonder if the “hunting” thing is flashy

[icy onyx]

like a (wealthy) sports club aesthetic

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdo-cat-meme-cat-hat-gif-4320019723440576113

[meager junco]

Is that cat…what’s in his mouth

[lethal moat]

McDonalds fries

[meager junco]

That’s one dark fry

[icy onyx]

idk any fancy clubs from irl but what comes to mind is something like the Whitesprings resort from F76

or ig whitesprings is irl too

[meager junco]

Isn’t there a facility under that building or am I thinking of the wrong spot

[icy onyx]

pretty sure there is. havent played it in awhile but even if not, AE having its own style of whitesprings for the hunting lodge island i think you guys called it? with an AE facility underground would be neat

[hexed forge]

Hunting Lodge yes

Hunting reserve is also a name for it

[meager junco]

That’s why I asked, it made me realize how a lot of the buildings might have a sort of way of going in GUTS

[meager junco]

Ok yeh there’s a vault under there

[icy onyx]

Be like the underground viewing system from JWE2, but instead of viewing platforms it takes you to drop off points for hunters

[meager junco]

God that would be awesome

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, indeed.

I also like the idea of the hunters just being airdropped onto the island, lets see who is the last to survive

That ofcourse depends on who the hunters are

I believe someone here said that Rich people only

[meager junco]

Omg this reminds me of the helicopter jokes we used to say

[hexed forge]

The rich people are put into a gen2 body and just airdropped

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/huey-vietnam-ride-of-the-valkyries-apocalypse-now-gif-16225995

[icy onyx]

if its like an AE experiment sure, but i dont think paying hunters would want to scare prey away with loud helicopters

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-vietnam-helicopter-vietnam-war-gif-24690485

[hexed forge]

What about planes, just.. parachute down..

https://tenor.com/view/c130a-irborne-jump-out-of-plane-gif-15525863

[icy onyx]

years of ARMA piloting has trained me well to do AE's bidding

[meager junco]

Let drone alphie drop us then

[icy onyx]

true, but if its like, rich people hunting would many be willing to train for airdropping? GUTS would probably be cheaper and more efficient to use (although less cool than airial deployment)

[hexed forge]

Small suggestion according to google docs..

[meager junco]

Some of those are getting scary good lol

[hexed forge]

Who needs training to use a parachute

[icy onyx]

broken backs are for babies

[meager junco]

Iirc, you actually do need training

[hexed forge]

Exactly

Just show em a visual on how to land properly, boom.

[icy onyx]

just pull the cord dummy its not that hard

[hexed forge]

(In commercial areas of parachuting they just show a visual; but that doesn't really count since they have an expert on their back)

[icy onyx]

"Your injuries are not AE services related"

[hexed forge]

It's a separate body

[icy onyx]

I want some AE contract documents now

[hexed forge]

Thousand life contract

[meager junco]

Matriarch lore when

[icy onyx]

Shes been with us the whole time

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/novela-telenovela-shocked-zoom-omg-gif-25795602

[icy onyx]

Shirley is the matriarch

[meager junco]

I like both ideas that have come up
1-being the original tap design
2- she’s more of a flesh ditto, where she intakes the mass of one thing and shapes into it

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-gif-23580102

[acoustic osprey]

2. Kirby

[meager junco]

KIRBY GOT JORDANS THO

[icy onyx]

combine the two where Tap design is her real form, but can do #2

fleshy ditto sounds rad tho

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aidanryry-kirby-smash-bros-super-smash-bros-ultimate-kazuya-gif-11759905622581972058

[rapid chasm]

could u send me the old iron buildings

[meager junco]

I like that, maybe something like, she takes the mass from one creature, but if she intakes the mass of a bigger creature, she can’t go back to being a small one

[icy onyx]

the flesh consumes

[meager junco]

Flesh ditto rise!

[acoustic osprey]

https://ironbellystudios.com/2016/05/31/the-isle-open-world-survival/

some of the designs were really good

but they never really stayed with one proper style

[icy onyx]

Some of the Tribal stuff was especially cool. shame we wont see it

[acoustic osprey]

like
they had a proper "save the world!" modern sci-fi vibe with some stuff

[meager junco]

Especially the domes(tbf they aren’t done but I doubt they’ll turn out like this)

[acoustic osprey]

Primal Carnage called

[meager junco]

Catwalk maybe, but those sides nah

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/fear-gif-23224197

[icy onyx]

Bone being incorporated into architecture will never not be cool. Be it tribal like stuff or Sci-Fi like 40k

[meager junco]

I mean the idea of Gen 1 seems very similar to tribals old ideas

Just a bit more normalized ig? But even then, we barely know crap about what Gen 1 will do

[icy onyx]

yeah but iirc we havent really seen like, architecture stuff from them. they give me more cave dwelling vibes to me

[acoustic osprey]

which old tribals

there were several ideas...

[hexed forge]

Several..

[meager junco]

I can’t find it, that one cave one

[hexed forge]

The weird one that was hanging upside down?

[meager junco]

Where one is in the light while the others hide in the shadow

[hexed forge]

Hm

[icy onyx]

this one?

[acoustic osprey]

would be

[meager junco]

Yep

I found it as soon as you posted it

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
it's not that Gen1s are similar to them

just a lot of us try to disassociate Gen1s from legacy tribals

[meager junco]

Climbers and they seem to make tools out of materials they find

[acoustic osprey]

because the "last tribals" for Legacy development was basically the same idea we have now for Gen1s

just with different AE lore as the subtext

[meager junco]

I mean ig instead of saying that tribals don’t exist anymore we can just say they’ve been changed to something else

[acoustic osprey]

It's why I don't mind saying Tribals, for Gen1s

[meager junco]

They’re one in the same really, so yeh

Gen 2 is truly where it’s different as they’re supposedly man made, while mercs were, well, mercs

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
we knew about the rough idea for Gen1s and Gens2, being names, for Legacy

Tribals is less bad than Mercs though

because the idea of being tribal is more akin to the idea of Gen1s than Gen2s are to Mercs

[meager junco]

Yeh I agree, those 2 truly aren’t the same

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[acoustic osprey]

(from 2018, with the confirmation of Gen2s as a name system)

[meager junco]

Now time for Shirley talk…

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-plotting-evil-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-gif-3501874

[acoustic osprey]

I can't wait for her video, if there is a video

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-better-call-saul-breaking-bead-walter-white-gif-6174761702766811539

because I can imagine her video being quite chaotic
I definitely imagine them showcasing Rex fence breaking in the video

[meager junco]

I think she might have one BUT she might also be a reacurring star/cameo where she just pops up in another video

[acoustic osprey]

doesn't mean she can't be the star of a video though

have to hope!!

[meager junco]

OFC I ALWAYS HAVE HOPE FOR SHIRLEY

[icy onyx]

Is it acutally confirmed to be Shirley in these videos or is it an assumption just because its a rex? i forgot.

if its all shirley then it helps with a solid timeline

[meager junco]

In Augustus yes

[acoustic osprey]

^

[meager junco]

She’s named and everything .003 is her number, meaning she’s one of the first fully developed rexs on gateway or maybe even one of AEs first rexs in general

[icy onyx]

yeah i know shes in Augustus, i might just be misremembering there being another video where a Rex/Shirley was in when theres not

brain hurty sometimes

[meager junco]

And I honestly think that-if Shirley had been on dons mind since 2018-2019, there’s a very high chance she’s related to strains or something very deep

[acoustic osprey]

Nah
Just a theory that it was her in the dibble video

[meager junco]

I knew it wasn’t her cause don said she wouldn’t pop up in that video

That’s before we knew it was Allo ofc

[pseudo fable]

Shirley was decided on February 10, 2015.

[meager junco]

WHAT

[hexed forge]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[icy onyx]

Islecord, where arguments happen over something being obvious in a video/picture that devs have to confirm that the obvious thing is in fact the obvious thing (im guilty of it)

[pseudo fable]

Some references I do not forget.

[meager junco]

Ok she might be really important then(hopefully)

[hexed forge]

Remember the theory of Shirley being the first Hyper rex...?

[acoustic osprey]

(to be fair, it made sense for her to canonically be in the next video. As a lead up to a potential rex video)

[meager junco]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

I still believe that until he says it isn’t

[hexed forge]

Likely is

Hyper rex existed since the release, literally in the main menu.

[icy onyx]

nah shes the matriarch successor, cause obviously every monarch needs an heir

[patent ginkgo]

Based #

[meager junco]

I got my Shirley info, I’m good for 2 months

[patent ginkgo]

More!!!

[hexed forge]

I need an important ceratosaurus asset in the lore.

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
knowing that we didn't see the same name system with the Dibbles - being completely different
i have a feeling that the .174 / .003 could also be for the EIP itself, and not what number dinosaur it was, if AUGUSTUS and Shirley are both EIPs

[meager junco]

NO I DONT WANT TO SPOIL IT

[patent ginkgo]

Would like a little bit of strain plant lore tho

[hexed forge]

Literally anything, it could be the first victim of the first hyper rex.

ANYTHING

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-you-get-nothing-empty-good-day-sir-mad-gif-16171682

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[meager junco]

Good point, I hadn’t thought of the numbers representing the actual profiles and not the creatures

[icy onyx]

cerato gets bullied enough in paleo media

[patent ginkgo]

[icy onyx]

then again. you might have a point

[hexed forge]

Hm

[acoustic osprey]

it's a potential
may be wrong

it's a bit flimsy because those were identifying numbers for the chiptracking system
rather than the identifying name for "X" dinos

could be the same?
Maybe

[meager junco]

If I’m right for once, I’ll die happy

[acoustic osprey]

do EIPs have a different tracking system than natural offspring?
assuming the Dibbles are relatively "natural offspring"

looking at the genome title

[meager junco]

It’s a good point tho, as if there’s 20 Shirleys(example) then numbering the profiles makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[meager junco]

Or 100 bobs

[pseudo fable]

Everyone's on EIP's and I've had my hands full with Gen 1.

Every so often I just look in here for the subject to be brought up.

[icy onyx]

you tease

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bg79h.gif

[hexed forge]

My brain hurts everytime eips are brought up.

[meager junco]

Hey hey hey well take any info

We’re not picky

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-antony-rome-bread-philippi-mark-antony-bread-marc-antony-bread-gif-18090985

[hexed forge]

It starts with normal stuff. And then it goes down to

"Does it count as human"
"What counts as human"

[patent ginkgo]

Similar to gen 1

[icy onyx]

whatever AE decides is human

[acoustic osprey]

for me, i think it's just that we had some nice chats about the philosophy and ethics of EIPs a few weeks back
still haven't stopped on it

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[pseudo fable]

Deviation of the human genome is no longer human.

[hexed forge]

Yay

[meager junco]

Wonder how different they’re genome is to a regular human

[pseudo fable]

From the outside looking in, you can argue products manufactured that are derived from humans may still be human.

[hexed forge]

If any dinosaur genome mixture is in there

[acoustic osprey]

good to have AE making boundaries
You either have a very painful spectrum of "oh but this could be X"
or strict "X = X" and "Y = Y"

corporately and scientifically needed

[acoustic osprey]

the people will not stop thinking about their own definitions

[patent ginkgo]

Sounds like AE isn’t too fond of philosophy?

[meager junco]

It would be weird if AE started siding on the whole “but they’re humans too!” Thing

[patent ginkgo]

Or rather, basing its workings off of such

[meager junco]

They have a goal, and need to achieve it

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
there's a difference between not being fond of philosophy and having to make a boundary for your own philosophy thinking

[fast forge]

even for biologists the definition of a species can get a bit hard to nail down

[icy onyx]

human on the Homo Sapien spectrum or just Homo species all together.

Or I guess the question is if Gen 1 and 2's would be reclassed as a new homo species or something else entirely. like chimps to human

[acoustic osprey]

for a company that links itself with science
if you have definitions of things way too open and undefined
you just get a real garbled mess of "what does this mean?"

[knotty locust]

homo cannibalisus

[meager junco]

We had that convo once and I think it came down to they aren’t because they need to be related to chimps and all that

[pseudo fable]

You're assuming all of the company operates in the open. That all appendages and digits are aware of what the others are doing.

The lines don't really matter if no one else can see.

You don't even get to post it.

A different reference.

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pesci-goodfellas-whacked-tommy-killed-gif-9347144807012696845

[meager junco]

Isaac said I’m not taking the chance

[acoustic osprey]

does boeing work

[pseudo fable]

No; I just took it down for him.

[meager junco]

Oh ok, I thought he didn’t wanna risk it hehe

[pseudo fable]

#isle-lore-theories message

[meager junco]

Btw jolly did you see any new plants in the pics?

[patent ginkgo]

Is AE, then, a more secretive branch of the main company? Does it have public and secret branches within? Etc

[patent ginkgo]

I’ll check but nothing jumped out

[icy onyx]

Scientifically Gen 1/2s would be human if they derived from Homo Sapian genetics and DNA. Unless AE "made" them entirely from scratch

[lethal moat]

Yippie! So if a gen 1 or gen 2 were to say, get strain testing, those two programs would initially be completely separate from each other

[meager junco]

Yeh i was curious if anything stuck out to you, guess we’ll only truly know when it releases

[pseudo fable]

Or that strain testing may have occurred all in one location.

And has absolutely nothing to do with the base variety of creature it was derived from, commercially.*

[patent ginkgo]

Nothing I can see

[acoustic osprey]

watching suits, so I can make a tiny reference
with one of the founder taking money for his own personal greed and hiding it, pretty simple though.

but this seems more like, being such company is so big. So shadows exist.
Especially if you see up the ladder, not everything is going to be shown to each other
thinking of aspects like feudal empires

[lethal moat]

So strain more draws from other projects, rather than overlapping over various others?

[knotty locust]

i like the idea of two entirely seperate strain projects organising a location to begin strain testing and then arriving on location only to encounter eachother at the same place

[patent ginkgo]

I would assume a strain refers more to something introduced upon another thing, like a virus or other infection

[fast forge]

sounds like they have a stable of animals to choose from when conducting strain research

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[meager junco]

I just want to break free from a VATS tank!

[knotty locust]

REAL

[patent ginkgo]

Commercially?

[icy onyx]

thats what I always assumed. that strains are a byproduct of an mostly company wide agent or variable

[knotty locust]

project managers being like "so uh, what are you guys doing here"

"oh its just some """"anti-biotics"""" testing, what about you guys"

"yeah, """"anti-biotics""""

[pseudo fable]

You think something would be made without financial incentive?

[hexed forge]

The location being...

[patent ginkgo]

I was wondering which part the “commercially” applies to

[meager junco]

If it’s not Tartarus, we basically just learned of a “strain facility” of sorts

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[icy onyx]

my guess would be Pharma investors

[hexed forge]

Investors?

Rich people investing in strain research

[icy onyx]

Pharma is a big money drain so it makes sense

[patent ginkgo]

Well, it seemed like it could apply, in that statement, to either the base organism or the fact that it didn’t have anything to do with it

[acoustic osprey]

don't forget what Dalt said that Don said was pretty close, for strains (ages ago)

[meager junco]

If only we knew what neuro and tissos purpose truly is, tissos biggest guess is limb regeneration for people who have lost an arm or a leg, but neuro could maybe be for someone who has a sort of mental problem ig

[hexed forge]

I have no idea what Dalt said

[acoustic osprey]

no, you have just forgotten

[patent ginkgo]

Strains for medicine

[hexed forge]

Ohh

[patent ginkgo]

Roughly

[acoustic osprey]

Daltonius
“Hypers… are likely created to test out medicine
Neurotenics and Tissos were likely created for the same reason
H-colossus might have been a test on a human or tribal, however, the rude awakening of the abrupt changes in metabolism left them dubious and useless; Increased healing factor, strength, power and size might seem tempting at first but you gotta eat high calorie food, and lots of it.
Hypers starve within a day or so and the mutations work more like tumors or disease rather than a compliment to their life styles whereas yes, H-giga gets an increased surface area bite where it maximizes bleed… it also has to physically dislocate its jaws to do so which puts it in great physical pain”

[lethal moat]

The end goal of any company is usually profit

[hexed forge]

So perhaps major pharmaceutical companies investing in strain research

[meager junco]

At least we got the good old nic cage gif for it

[icy onyx]

The investors are in on it

[lethal moat]

Just because something isn’t public yet, doesn’t mean it never will be, that’s my two cents on it

[meager junco]

^

[knotty locust]

on a sidenote, the big crabs were accidental correct

[patent ginkgo]

This reminds me of how the hyperendocrine strain is essentially just of cancer made a cohesive organism

[patent ginkgo]

Iirc yes

[acoustic osprey]

them happening because of a leak
likely inferring accidental

[meager junco]

I mean we do know they’re doing what they do for mankind if possibly the planet as it is

[patent ginkgo]

Something to do with a containment breach and oceanic megaflora

[acoustic osprey]

blame the hormones...

[knotty locust]

okay cos i just thought about how lobsters are functionally immortal

[meager junco]

Immortal giant lobsters….

[pseudo fable]

Colossus is actually a lobster now. /s

[hexed forge]

What if these investors purged TOMB..?

Somewhere down the line they had enough of Apollos bs.

[meager junco]

HUH

[patent ginkgo]

[knotty locust]

lmao

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-and-the-what-dark-helmet-colonel-sandurz-spaceballs-say-what-gif-24854385

[hexed forge]

Interesting change of events..

[meager junco]

Yeh what Isaac said

[patent ginkgo]

Please let this be real

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

Is it april

[knotty locust]

darksouls lobster enemy

[hexed forge]

Its august...

[patent ginkgo]

Augustus

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[meager junco]

Crustacean armoured colossus…(help)

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey update lore doc!!

[knotty locust]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-giant-lobster-fight-ez-gif-25073147

[patent ginkgo]

Ah man I was hoping colossus was actually just a giant lobster

Oops, ping

[hexed forge]

Hahahaha

[meager junco]

Man I thought he was serious for a sec

[icy onyx]

AE out here changing how crabs intake oxygen to make them big and fast

[knotty locust]

your adult rex getting snatched by a giant lobster and thrown into the air at violent speeds

[meager junco]

Crane would’ve been happy lol

[acoustic osprey]

August for Augustus
July for Julius
June for Juno
March for Mars
January for Janus

[hexed forge]

"Colossus is actually a bird now"

[patent ginkgo]

Hooray

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassicpark-jurassic-parc-jurassic-jurassic-park-movie-jurrassic-park-gif-24925951

[hexed forge]

Whats February

[meager junco]

“Colossus is actually a 2ft tall creature now”

[hexed forge]

"Colossus is the CEO of AE"

[acoustic osprey]

Februa... (Februus)

[lethal moat]

Don, you said you were doing gen 1 stuff, did you figure out an appropriate light source?

[meager junco]

What does that make matriarch, queen of the world?

[hexed forge]

A human skull turned into a lantern!

[fast forge]

Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First men

[pseudo fable]

Didn't need a light source.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[hexed forge]

So they have good night vision

[icy onyx]

Juno

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/daenerys-targaryen-smile-game-of-thrones-funny-gif-14328487

[patent ginkgo]

What is this referring to

[acoustic osprey]

dies

[meager junco]

SHHHHH

[acoustic osprey]

something from ages ago

[meager junco]

DONT SPOIL IT LOL

[pseudo fable]

Night vision stuff.

[patent ginkgo]

Hooray?

[acoustic osprey]

game of thrones is years old now....

[meager junco]

Rump has not seen it yet

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message we should talk about gen1..?

[acoustic osprey]

Rump also doesn't do much pop culture as it turns out

[lethal moat]

I was very sheltered

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-absolve-you-mediocrities-amadeus-salieri-asylum-gif-12153872795236773259

[meager junco]

True, but he does like the whole 40k stuff

[icy onyx]

based

[fast forge]

40k can still be more innocent than AGoT, tbh

[patent ginkgo]

I feel like Gen 1s are such “generic horrifying humanoid creature” that I can never think of what they would really be for

[acoustic osprey]

either GOT or ASOIAF
no AGoT for the show!!

[patent ginkgo]

Besides some sort of guard-dog-esq thing

[meager junco]

Clash of kings

[hexed forge]

Were they an accident? Were they created on purpose?

[acoustic osprey]

Deimos

[icy onyx]

are they a failure or success is my question

Though ig that entails what the original goals AE had in mind for them

[fast forge]

oh yes silly me, that's only for the first book itself

[patent ginkgo]

I’m sure on purpose

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

Anyway, more gen 1 question time, when you commented on the “feral humans” thing I said yesterday or a few days ago, was that in reference to gen 2 and do gen 1 get EIPs?

[hexed forge]

I think it was an accident, but I might be wrong of course.

[patent ginkgo]

Ok yes but we don’t really know what that means for purpose

[acoustic osprey]

just an identifying aspect

[patent ginkgo]

Afaik that’s just a method of categorization

[meager junco]

Isn’t Deimos the “monstrous classification “ thing or am I remembering wrong

[acoustic osprey]

still highlights AE has some sort of understanding
and likely idea on Gen1s

[hexed forge]

Isn't Deimos an AE project

[fast forge]

ye
I think

[acoustic osprey]

yes, you are right (cerato)

[meager junco]

It’s either that or-

[hexed forge]

Kind of like Pronect Alphonse, or am I confusing it with something

[fast forge]

ceti/GOLEM or something too

[meager junco]

Ok nvm

[patent ginkgo]

Pronect

[meager junco]

Cera/GOLEM that’s the one I was looking for

Ceti*

[hexed forge]

Ceratosaurus lore../j

[meager junco]

“The cera died” the end of cera lore

[hexed forge]

Oh

[meager junco]

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/ceratosaurus-live-reaction-gif-11542304678155898257

[hexed forge]

I hate that cera design with my life

[meager junco]

I like it but that’s cause I grew up with it lol

[patent ginkgo]

Thinking of strains as a disease, coupled with strain plants, reminds me of the tulip breaking virus in the 17th century tulip mania thing

[acoustic osprey]

yes
DEIMOS for the project
GOLEM for the classification (monster)

[hexed forge]

I see

What about ceti?

[meager junco]

I mean I always had the thought that a strain is like a cancer, it’s in every organism but only activates after a certain thing makes it tick

[acoustic osprey]

GOLEM-Ceti Trials

likely that Ceti is Ceti Trials
which Ceti is a large sea monster / sometimes of whale

[hexed forge]

Hmmmk

[icy onyx]

is it organic or artificial though. and can it be passed genetically

basically, did AE create the strains or is the strains something activated from something already inside the animal

[meager junco]

If AE truly fully designed all these things, I definitely think it’s possible they got it down to where it’s a hereditary thing

Meaning the young would also get it

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's linked to the crabs

[meager junco]

What was that chemical spill composed of…

[fast forge]

What do you mean artificial in this context?

[patent ginkgo]

I do as well

[patent ginkgo]

We don’t know if it was a chemical spill

[acoustic osprey]

where such leakage that turned the crabs large
subsequently leading to further research of what happened to the crabs
therefore "oh they turned big ... let's use this"

[meager junco]

Tbf, what else could make an animal evolve that fast

[hexed forge]

Hyper strain maybe?

[patent ginkgo]

A disease

[acoustic osprey]

proto-hyper strain imo

[fast forge]

I remember we thought it might have to do with megaflora research too

[icy onyx]

a variable that was introduced to the animal either from AE or another entity/event

[hexed forge]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of tracing back.
It would likely have to

Being that such leakage was from them doing megaflora work

[meager junco]

That would mean strains are a sort of chemical/agent that’s kept in containment of sorts? Not disagreeing just actually curious

[fast forge]

A mutagenic compound, perhaps

[hexed forge]

[patent ginkgo]

I still very much stick with the theory that megaflora made for carbon capture led to hyper-like traits, leading to hyper strain research

[icy onyx]

Basically is it a T-virus (poor example) like mutation/variable or is it activated from a gene already present in the animal that AE had discovered (accidently or purposefully)

[meager junco]

And it was originally to try to revert global changes iirc with the megaflaura

[patent ginkgo]

Flaura

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bQhBP.gif

[fast forge]

Human that can adapt to new environments?

[meager junco]

Does this mean gen 1s original plan was to be what they are?

[acoustic osprey]

ok AUGUSTUS

[hexed forge]

Interesting

[meager junco]

And nothing went wrong with them

[patent ginkgo]

So far that purpose seems a lot like just being scary/deadly

Which makes no sense

And evidently would not be it

[fast forge]

or maybe a super soldier?
Stick a soldier's mind into one of them

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
it may be linked to what we believe Gen2s to be. To some extent.

Or being akin to what Gen2s actually are; being that we don't really know.

[icy onyx]

or he's just confirming that Gen1's were made on purpose but how they ended up wasnt the intent

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/life-uh-finds-a-way-it-be-that-way-it-will-work-itself-out-gif-16077053

[patent ginkgo]

Well, gen 1 and gen 2 imply that one is after the other

However, why was 1 kept if 2 was better?

[meager junco]

I had an idea once that maybe Gen 1 is for field work on the Dino’s and Gen 2 is the brains of the matter, actually fixing stuff but it’s a pretty dumb idea

[acoustic osprey]

were they?

[hexed forge]

"How they ended up"

Meaning they turned out way more aggressive? perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

were they meant to be kept ?

[patent ginkgo]

See now that’s what I’ve been thinking of

[acoustic osprey]

because
look at the lack of AE on the island

[fast forge]

Gen 2 is the more refined question

[icy onyx]

well you can have an expiriment fail and still have something to work on from that failure. its just a new door of oppertunities and discovery to be had

[acoustic osprey]

maybe AE didn't really have a choice in keeping Gen1s

[meager junco]

Made 100k Gen 1s and they said “well we can’t throw 10 billion dollars out the window”

[lethal moat]

Or they’re useful for testing, kind of like how we use cadavers for testing car crash safety

[acoustic osprey]

just take them to Tartarus!
That'll be fine!

[icy onyx]

exactly this ^^

[acoustic osprey]

failed their original purpose
now they must be lab rats

let's see how they behave

[meager junco]

Is spooky down there

[fast forge]

I think they asked the replicator for a perfect human or some such, and it gave them Gen 1, a creature that can survive and adapt to a rapidly changing environment.
They then asked the replicator more specifically for an ideal human that fits our standards, and that's Gen 2

[meager junco]

So my old dumb idea would be correct…

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-you-pass-butter-welcome-to-the-club-gif-9281996

[hexed forge]

Use it as a weapon

Air drop gen1s on a rival company that is trying to steal info..

[meager junco]

Gen 1 security

[hexed forge]

One of the ways to use them

[acoustic osprey]

Only thing different
Is that they're bigger than you

[meager junco]

Have them posted outside a base

[icy onyx]

Investor couldve taken interest in Gen 1's and gave AE money to continue/keep with them

[fast forge]

or even simply the genetic code
doesn't have to be bodies made, just the template

[hexed forge]

Too aggressive to comply to human commands probably

[lethal moat]

Pfft, it’s not like they’re smart enough to do any damage || ||

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/marc-antony-rome-hbo-rome-antony-rome-hbo-rome-marc-antony-gif-25297315

[meager junco]

Don’t need to exactly command them, lure them around the base and make sure the fences are on , and that they can’t climb over

[hexed forge]

Hahah..ha...

"Jimmy you locked the gate right?jimmy?....jimmy....?"

[lethal moat]

The Jimmy in question

[icy onyx]

Dapper

[meager junco]

Where’s tropical Gen 1

[hexed forge]

Wasn't there once a message that implied a "zombie mode" for gen1s or smthn..

[lethal moat]

…
I don’t think so?

[hexed forge]

I swear there once was

[meager junco]

Got ‘em

[hexed forge]

It was this year

[patent ginkgo]

An infection thing

[icy onyx]

Give Gen 1's the mimic ability

[hexed forge]

Yeahh

[meager junco]

Do you maybe mean the Halloween event that’s been talked about?

[lethal moat]

I see

[meager junco]

Oh

[hexed forge]

Above your message

[valid geyser]

Oh.
Ohohoho.
Oh I like that.

[meager junco]

I saw

[lethal moat]

I forgor

[hexed forge]

So this might be what happened to Jimmy

[lethal moat]

Also, maybe that ties into the feral humans bit

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[muted reef]

Who the hell is jimmy

[patent ginkgo]

Everyone

[fast forge]

Rumple

[lethal moat]

Yes?

[hexed forge]

Rumple is Dr. Rumple

[patent ginkgo]

Dr. Rumple

[fast forge]

you're Jimmy

[hexed forge]

No he's Dr. Rumple

[patent ginkgo]

Dr. Jimmy Rumple

[hexed forge]

Oh

[meager junco]

What about good old Timothy…

[hexed forge]

Yeah let's use that now

[lethal moat]

I will send bad vibes to all of you and you will get a particularly strong static shock on a doorhandle

[hexed forge]

Dr. Jimmy Rumple

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/brTGe.gif

[hexed forge]

Ok Dr. Jimmy Rumple

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[meager junco]

So gen 1 seems planned and wanted by AE huh

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[hexed forge]

The gif that Don sent doesn't clarify much..

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 ~ smart giant crabs? Similar situation?

[pseudo fable]

They're an exceptionally effective deterrent, even if they began as a retaliatory product.

[patent ginkgo]

This sentence could be applied to so many things

[hexed forge]

AHA

[lethal moat]

Well that’s interesting

[muted reef]

Yay lore

[patent ginkgo]

Retaliatory

[icy onyx]

[hexed forge]

Airdropping gen1s on rival company spies

[meager junco]

Maybe, I’ve just been on the idea that gen 2 is a successful Gen 1 idea too long

[patent ginkgo]

“Product” sounds commercial, now doesn’t it

[muted reef]

What if they're each for different purposes

[lethal moat]

Same tbh

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[icy onyx]

Well AE Is a Pharma (iirc) company

[muted reef]

Funny if gen 1's were like hitmen

[hexed forge]

So AE potentially sells gen1s..? Or atleast offers service using gen1s. No idea.

[lethal moat]

Or they’re pseudo-security so that people don’t come investigate AE’s islands

[hexed forge]

Sell a bunch of gen1s to nations around the world to use as a weapon of war....

[meager junco]

I’m very open to new things, plus I love to learn about the story, so if Gen 1 was planned all along, that kinda changes on how we think a few things

[fast forge]

Don has mentioned dropping them on unsuspecting people before

[muted reef]

I mean climate change seems to be more of an issue than war. But what do we know lmao

[patent ginkgo]

This seems to be the retaliatory part

[hexed forge]

Specifically on people that were rivals to AE iirc I think

[hexed forge]

You never know

[icy onyx]

Company expansion to new fields isn't unheard of. Half of the bug ones in US work with military

[muted reef]

Precisely

[meager junco]

I mean I had that thought once but it seemed dumb at the time, now it seems like the most plausible answer

[patent ginkgo]

So I wonder, was that instance kind of the maiden voyage of Gen 1s?

[lethal moat]

Or someone else was making something and gen 1 were intended to be a competing product

[hexed forge]

Well, there are different types of gen1 right?

[muted reef]

Yes (iirc)

[hexed forge]

Not all are used for combat

[meager junco]

Few variants supposedly, not just the 2 we saw

[hexed forge]

Or atleast likely that not all are aggresive and bloodthirsty

[muted reef]

One clearly looks vicious and the other looks...Neurotenic to me

[pseudo fable]

Close! They're developed mostly in-house. By the time they are functioning at the capacity the company needs them to do so, they do get field-tested and sometimes by air-drop (though this is usually quite far off target).

And by the time they're doing that, they aren't dropping them on a person. They are dropping them in hostile territory entirely.

[meager junco]

But maybe that was referring to eyeless

[muted reef]

Thats interesting

[meager junco]

HA

[icy onyx]

Corpo war lore??? (Joking(

[meager junco]

So maybe they actually did use them as a sort of protection

[muted reef]

Must keep the monopoly going

[pseudo fable]

Almost.

[icy onyx]

[hexed forge]

I just imagined a bunch of gen1s falling out of the sky and running across an open field towards some random facility...

[pseudo fable]

AE is not the only one out there.

[meager junco]

It’s the return of Pheonix corp!

[muted reef]

V2 gen 1 isn't the eyeless right

[fast forge]

internal conflict?
ah nvm

[lethal moat]

Rival companies were a thing back in legacy, I wouldn’t be surprised if that returns in some aspect, AE might have a rival competing for similar contracts

[muted reef]

Pheonix flashbacks

[meager junco]

Watch it be called something like Minotaur Industries

[pseudo fable]

EC.

[patent ginkgo]

Hmmm

[meager junco]

OPE

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

[patent ginkgo]

No, it’s EC

[pseudo fable]

That's what I've designated it all as in writing.

[hexed forge]

It's giving me electricity company vibes

[fast forge]

fun

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-evil-look-baby-eating-angry-gif-17089096

[patent ginkgo]

Is the acronym written out for it yet?

[muted reef]

Neuro emps...

[acoustic osprey]

Something Corporations?

[patent ginkgo]

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[lethal moat]

Conglomerate, Company, could be a lot of things

[meager junco]

Echidna Corp…?

[icy onyx]

Wonder if governments are in play too then.

Whole General Dynamic or Lockhead vives AE got going on

[lethal moat]

Doubt

[meager junco]

Plz no

[hexed forge]

But hey, Don mightve not written out the acronym yet. We might just be giving him ideas right now

[muted reef]

Anyway I'm sleeping now bye chat

[patent ginkgo]

I would love for that to be the case

[lethal moat]

Hey man
Super soldiers that keep their experience in combat via EIPs sounds pretty rad to me

[acoustic osprey]

If it was KC
It could've been Kemetic Corp

[patent ginkgo]

🫡

[pseudo fable]

Alas, it's not.

It's EC.

And the RF.

[acoustic osprey]

In reference to Ancient Egypt

[patent ginkgo]

RF

[acoustic osprey]

Royal Forces!!

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting

[hexed forge]

Red frogs

[pseudo fable]

No government entity like that is in play.

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Hypno:

[hexed forge]

Wah oh

[meager junco]

Hm just saw that there’s quite a few significant names that start with E in Greek mythology(that’s only basing that it’s another green themes company like Pheonix was)

[lethal moat]

It doesn’t have to be greek

[patent ginkgo]

Doesn’t have to be Greek or mythology

[acoustic osprey]

Makes me wonder if they'll be greek or not

[icy onyx]

But other (fictional/irl based) government entities aren't off the table?

Don't wanna assume governments in TI world are the same as ours

[meager junco]

Ik that’s why I said that

[lethal moat]

The FDA and the IRS are always watching

[fast forge]

I've basically asked this before, governments don't play a large role in this story iirc

[meager junco]

Tbf I’m just going off that idea, but it’s definitely a high possibility they have nothing to do with Greek stuff

[hexed forge]

It might just be the most generic name for a company ever

Don't overthink!

Actually I should be telling that to myself

[pseudo fable]

EverymanCorp™.

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Evrima corp

[icy onyx]

Its lore discussion. We only ever otherthink

[pseudo fable]

Look out, it's Randy Everyman!

[lethal moat]

For now, we’ll look at it, we’ll overthink later

[acoustic osprey]

Ceo
John Evriman

[meager junco]

Omg if the E means evrima

[hexed forge]

JohnCake enterprise

[patent ginkgo]

Please

Also Don, we can never tell if you’re joking

[meager junco]

Actually….that’s honestly not impossible

Doesn’t evrima mean “change” or something

[patent ginkgo]

Is this lore

[hexed forge]

Pretty sure it means new beginnings maybe

Dream maybe

[pseudo fable]

Schrodinger's lore.

It's canon and not canon until you open the box.

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[patent ginkgo]

Now hey don’t do this to me

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ayasan-gif-24417454

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/om4o.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Heh

[hexed forge]

But where's the box!

[patent ginkgo]

Time for the next lore hunt!

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much whatever is said could be lore
Till it's in game/ in paper

[meager junco]

But yeh like it would make sense that world altering company, is in war with another world altering company

[hexed forge]

Its in the middle of the ocean this time

[lethal moat]

Before time began… there was, the cube

[hexed forge]

Alright fellow lore people,

I shall go rest in tartarus 👋

[patent ginkgo]

The cube in the rex animation in the devblog?!!!

[icy onyx]

Don with the power of two mere letters to cause a stir

[lethal moat]

Have a good one

[patent ginkgo]

🫡

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Rivaled only be the red ball

[meager junco]

Omg were so blind, rex is optimus prime

[meager junco]

Night cera

[patent ginkgo]

Botany lore

[lethal moat]

Did we ever get clarification on wether or not gen 1 ends up using primitive tools, and if so which ones? Also wether or not gen 1 are capable of making structures

[icy onyx]

[patent ginkgo]

Did the rival companies start in botany as well?

[meager junco]

I think all we got is the hut thing, and stick

And by hut I mean some sort of hypsi like nest in trees

[icy onyx]

"Our fully armed guards got beat to death by sticks and mauled by claws"

[meager junco]

“They had sticks….STICKS”

[acoustic osprey]

Well
We did know they could build on top of human buildings

[meager junco]

Ngl I wanna see this “hut” design

If it’s very simple or if it can be expanded into a bigger hut, kinda like how dryo will manage its burrows

[icy onyx]

So if there's rival companies in play that are actively in conflict with AE that means there's a chance we could see remnants of them and their secret operations on Islands right? That'd be so cool.

Randomly coming across a abandoned item or site marked with nothing AE related and having to discover more of them

[meager junco]

A sort of shipwreck that says EC on it

[icy onyx]

Exactly

Would be perfect for lore hunts

[meager junco]

Ngl that could e a cool story, they got into the boundaries of the islands, and they sent “something” to destroy it

[icy onyx]

AE dropping Gen 1's on mfers that even look in the nautical directions of the islands

[meager junco]

50 choppers with each having a gen 1 strapped under just coming in hot

[lethal moat]

I feel like that could vary depending on the gen 1

[icy onyx]

Unified by Generation, divided by genetics (beliefs/program?)

[lethal moat]

Brain structure even

[icy onyx]

Could be like a Tau situation with subspecies

[meager junco]

Wonder if they truly each have a different purpose, like one having webbed feet and hands for a more aquatic lifestyle

[lethal moat]

More forehead vs less forehead

[icy onyx]

Different clans/classes

[pseudo fable]

They're several useful things at once.

And depending on whom within the company you spoke to, the **honest ** answer from their as to the purpose and use of Gen1 would vary wildly.

[icy onyx]

ohhh

[acoustic osprey]

More think
Less think

[pseudo fable]

But the average individual has no idea what these are. This may as well be a cryptid. AE boogeyman.

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting

[meager junco]

Rump mentioned

[icy onyx]

could see a company claiming that AE is using them for like, cheap labor. Pull a "living being rights" violation against AE

[lethal moat]

I am no longer a cryptid

[meager junco]

That’s only if they know

[fast forge]

La Lechuza

[icy onyx]

true. but secrets dont always stay hidden

[pseudo fable]

Nay.

[meager junco]

They’ve kept everything hidden so far, at least to my knowledge

[pseudo fable]

They're the overengineered answer to the question of, "What happens if something hits AE?"

[icy onyx]

[lethal moat]

So this means different people have wildly different experiences interacting with gen 1?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/peppapig-hangup-gif-19315218

[meager junco]

Or that Gen 1s vary a lot

[pseudo fable]

No. It means people believe they're being created for different reasons.

[lethal moat]

I see

I’m really leaning into gen 1 are the security after everyone is gone sort of deal atm

[icy onyx]

Do Gen 1's have free will/conscious minds? (dunno how to explain it) or would it like depend on the individual

[meager junco]

LOL I said that as a joke and it’s turning out to be true

[fast forge]

would one of those be a medical use?

[icy onyx]

#isle-lore-theories message

My guess would be that some in the company might think so depending on whos asked

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bYBga.gif

[lethal moat]

If I can’t have my information, you can’t steal it, I’ll take it back when I’m ready sort of deal

[fast forge]

I was just thinking, I dunno, regenerating organ donors? maybe?

[icy onyx]

Side affects of having gen 1 organs must be wild

[meager junco]

I was gonna say

[lethal moat]

Space marine

[pseudo fable]

I won't be correcting the rabbit holes you go down on this one.

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-rabbithole-falling-tumbling-bye-gif-25381436

[patent ginkgo]

All this talk of Gen 1s, but now I’m thinking Gen 2s are sorta just how AE makes more “employees”

[lethal moat]

So… gen 1 are purpose built…
What does that mean for gen 2

[lethal moat]

We went the same direction lol

[meager junco]

I’m kinda thinking gen 2 might be a sort of donor like tiny said for Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Not sure about that

[patent ginkgo]

We both just moved on from Gen 1s when we weren’t getting corrections anymore lol

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[icy onyx]

labor could be one, use of them for expirments, etc etc. im sure its like gen 1's where the answer you get depends on who you ask since theyre good for many things surely

[lethal moat]

All our theorizing on it rn will do is start giving us ideas that aren’t confirmed

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

[lethal moat]

But because Don is in chat, we’ll lend more credibility to it

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

[lethal moat]

Got to make sure we have accurate record keeping 👀

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[patent ginkgo]

I do wonder if Gen 2 are a sort of testing ground for EIP tech?

Or could they be in a similar multi-role boat as Gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

I think it was much earlier for EIPs

[meager junco]

Start with the basic, and move up to harder creatures?

[lethal moat]

They’re engineered humans

[patent ginkgo]

Not completely

[icy onyx]

bio-engineered "evolved" human

[fast forge]

Could this involve misleading superiors or even shareholders about the purpose of Gen 1?
Maybe the people who payed for it thought they were getting something different

[icy onyx]

nope, special umans

[lethal moat]

Correct

[meager junco]

No not from what we know

No they’re organic

[patent ginkgo]

You’re organic

[lethal moat]

I feel like now is an appropriate time to shift to replicator discussion

[meager junco]

You’re…youre….a plant!

[icy onyx]

[patent ginkgo]

Woah

[patent ginkgo]

Wait for a moment

[lethal moat]

Before I try and fill you in, would you like an invite to the lore server?

I’ll DM you

[meager junco]

It can get crazy in there but it’s better than it used to be

[patent ginkgo]

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[lethal moat]

Alright, so, the replicator is an AI that dictates the creation of dinosaurs and gen 1, possibly gen 2 as well, and likely has much to do with the creation of the eyeless, and now that I think about it with the new information, “the replicator is not without it’s protectors” fits gen 1 a lot more now that I think about them as cryptic night security guards

[icy onyx]

ohh Rump cookin

[meager junco]

Basically Tartarus security ?

[patent ginkgo]

Sounds like another company

[lethal moat]

Maybe not even Tartarus, just wherever AE wants there to not have people

[meager junco]

Yeh I just used Tartarus as I have no clue where the replicator might even be itself

[patent ginkgo]

A moat of Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Fits this pretty well maybe

[meager junco]

So errant

Might have been a sort of “guard” that wandered off?

[lethal moat]

The replicator might not need a physical form, just a bunch of servers in a room

[lethal moat]

I think Errant was very much a spy, and that they got lucky someone found them before a gen 1 did

[acoustic osprey]

This reminds me of a reference that I cannot remember
But it's in the back of my head

[meager junco]

True, with how the “not without its protectors” it makes sense to have them in multiple areas like you said

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 as guarddogs

And others depending on the gen 1

[meager junco]

I really would like for us to get info on it, even tho we most likely never will

Maybe in game clues

[lethal moat]

Maybe we’ll be able to compare it to other incidents in the future

[icy onyx]

New incident report would be neat

[patent ginkgo]

If Don is still typing I’m scared

[meager junco]

Open up GUTS so we can check out the checkpoints that were mentioned

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 as guard dogs also makes sense on why they wouldn’t be on dinosaur filled islands, it would be semi-redundant, and they might just kill off the local dinosaurs

But what else can gen 1 do

[meager junco]

I’ve just realized, we’re basically forgetting about the Dino’s only talking about Gen 1 and 2

[fast forge]

Don said he had been working on Gen 1 stuff, sounded like he wanted to give us hints

[meager junco]

Yeh Ik, that’s why I’m not complaining

I even said “when did we last get Gen 1 info?” About two hours ago and here we are

[icy onyx]

well i dont think theyd necessarily just kill off every dinosaur. Surely theyd be restrained or conditioned to not attack AE's assests unless theyve met certain criteria or become too much of a nuisance

They'd probably be good at culling strains

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-okay-sassy-drink-raised-eyebrows-gif-15121620

Not sure about that

But maybe

[icy onyx]

throw enough chimps at a gorilla and eventually the gorilla would lose

[patent ginkgo]

Gen 1 in a combat situation seem much more of a “human hunter”

[meager junco]

Maybe
Maybe that’s why there’s a few variants as well, some are resistant to “neuro goo” or something

[lethal moat]

I also think “restrained or conditioned” wouldn’t settle well with the gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

Mmmm

[lethal moat]

One sec, let me look some scp thing up

[meager junco]

Oh wait I forgot

Gen 1 are resistant to chemicals or something aren’t they (or was it diseases)

[lethal moat]

I’m sure some might, as with all things, it probably varies depending on the type of gen 1

Now I’m picturing gen 1 as dog breeds, bloodhound, greyhound, pit bull, doberman, ||golden doodle||

[fast forge]

?

[patent ginkgo]

Golden doodle… the most deadly…

[meager junco]

I was saying that cause I remember the whole “carrier” thing

[lethal moat]

I was seeing if there was a mobile task force made up of anomalies, I didn’t see one

[meager junco]

If they are actually resistant, then maybe that strain culling idea isn’t that bad

[lethal moat]

That was Echidna, specifically CARRIER

[icy onyx]

#isle-lore-theories message

Depending one how this can be interperted, i can see it. If each Gen 1 individual can be good at many things or if there are subgroups or varients of Gen 1's that are more specialized

[fast forge]

there are a few that implement them, or anomalous techniques
famously Able was the core of an MTF
There was also William Wettle in the story where luck goes haywire

[meager junco]

Maybe they weren’t designed to go and hunt strains/Dino’s, but like rump said, protection/security since they seem resistant to diseases and if echidna actually is a disease carrier than it makes sense

[lethal moat]

I don’t know about disease resistant gen 1, but here’s the echidna thing #isle-discussion message

[meager junco]

It could have also been someone’s theory, I’m not too sure, that’s why I asked earlier if it was actually something that was said

[fast forge]

There are also some MTFs that can practice thaumaturgy or utilize anomalous tech
Red Right Hand has some crazy stuff
And then there's Tau 5 Samsara with really ridiculous augments

[lethal moat]

It’s a meme, let me go grab it real quick

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1240920564713914438/Echidna_carrier_of_Disease.png?ex=66abda15&is=66aa8895&hm=67774cff9c087de547affe3b119980c81bb85de2d168a84c99fc55dda2504e0e&

I don’t think CARRIER is referring to disease

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-daemons-demons-gif-20223678

[lethal moat]

But the joke is funny

She

[meager junco]

Carrier of neuro goo is all I can think about

[fast forge]

especially with Echidna's mythological association with motherhood

[lethal moat]

Ew Nurgle, the nice Chaos God

[meager junco]

Think it’s just about the name “mother of cannibals” but that’s old

[fast forge]

Echidna in greek mythology is famously the mother of monsters

[lethal moat]

She was the “Mother of Cannibals” in legacy and in greek mythology, “Echidna” is mother of monsters, so that’s two points towards motherly/female

[meager junco]

They could genuinely not have a gender through the immense body change

[icy onyx]

i always assumed important strains or entities were female unless confirmed otherwise.

[lethal moat]

I find this more likely

[patent ginkgo]

Jp

[meager junco]

We don’t even know if matriarch is truly female

[lethal moat]

Ooo, smart idea

MATRIARCH DISCUSSION TIME
So says Rumple

[icy onyx]

male called matriarch would be out of left field and weird but i wouldnt put it past them as a surprise moment

or its just genderless HAIL THE MEAT DITTO

[meager junco]

I wanted to ask Don about her, but the Trinity and her are the two things I truly think he doesn’t want to share until it’s ready

[acoustic osprey]

Mother of Cannibals

[meager junco]

I mean it could just be a code name, maybe it’s the mother of all monsters(joke)

[acoustic osprey]

Been like that forever

[patent ginkgo]

LATE

[meager junco]

Meaning it’s the biggest and baddest

[acoustic osprey]

No... .

[icy onyx]

theyll come home to us with milk eventually

[fast forge]

no, meaning it spawned them
echidna was not stronger than her children, iirc

[acoustic osprey]

It had children in legacy

[acoustic osprey]

Matriarch

[lethal moat]

With the new knowledge that Strain research probably doesn’t have anything to do with base animals, Matriarch being a “living strain” makes sense

[meager junco]

Wasn’t that taps stuff tho

[acoustic osprey]

No

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-i-am-the-future-flash-gif-8992776

[acoustic osprey]

Her children were the tribals, take that as you will for strength
For Echidna

[meager junco]

I’m thinking of the 2 subjects in her art my bad

[lethal moat]

If the matriarch is associated with tisso strain, what’s the likelyhood of the other strains having “living strains” if my idea is correct

[acoustic osprey]

Don't worry
The information is from an obscure loading screen

And it was only a one time reference

[fast forge]

Colossus for Hypers?

[meager junco]

I feel like there’s a lot more with matriarch that we don’t know

[lethal moat]

That’s more humanoid strain

[meager junco]

Like how she was created and what was used to create her

[icy onyx]

that can be said with pretty much everything lore related tho tbf

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking more Eldritch horror vibes, especially with neuro

Each creature being an embodiment of the strain’s characteristics, tisso being adaptability and regeneration maybe

[acoustic osprey]

Oh, definitely

[meager junco]

Very fair, but I mean like, is there a bit of hyper in her? A dash of neuro? A sprinkle of Gen 1? Ok I’m going too far

[lethal moat]

Maybe not

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
Maybe