isle-lore-theories

[hexed forge]

Looking back at my old messages, why the hell did I say Weo.

[lethal moat]

I’d like gen 2 to be able to move between islands once they get enough resources to do so

[hexed forge]

I hope every island that is in lore, comes to the game eventually. Either mods or officially

[lethal moat]

You’ll look back on things you did when you were younger and cringe a lot the older you get

[hexed forge]

I assume when you get to a certain point, you will have the option to switch to another server with a different map.

Swim to X point > Serverlist pops up(With some text explaining whats happening ofc) > Choose server with a different map > Get moved to the other server

Very nice idea for a feature

[acoustic osprey]

Weo

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-ian-malcolm-jeff-goldblum-there-it-is-gif-4674754

[acoustic osprey]

Like server hopping? That'd be really interesting

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[acoustic osprey]

You just like the company Wheos

[hexed forge]

Wheos is a company?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd only have it for Officials though

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
Silos

[hexed forge]

OH

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hexed forge]

An option for unofficials to enable it would be nice too

[acoustic osprey]

If hunting lodge doesn't
I want it to be done by us in lorecord

Heck get some temperate plants from jolly as well

[hexed forge]

@patent ginkgo We will count on you to model the plants

[acoustic osprey]

I imagine hard to do
And the server allowing to be "hopped over"

Unless the server has several servers in game

[lethal moat]

If you have a helicopter and a full tank of gas, maybe you can access the two closest islands? Idk how it would work

[acoustic osprey]

Oh in terms of still in the server?

[hexed forge]

Build a small raft and attempt to survive the giant crabs

[acoustic osprey]

I guess it could work? But I don't believe you could seamlessly do that

[lethal moat]

I’d honestly be fine with fast travel and take a big potion of your fuel, and spawn in flying at the edge of the map or something similar

[acoustic osprey]

I would love if there could be several "spawns" for gen2s
All having initially different survival goals but the same opening survival endgoal

Reach a base

[lethal moat]

It’s just a fun idea, don’t know how it could work in game or if anything remotely similar to that is planned

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
Give a little cinematic with your game
Meanwhile actually changing servers

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

It could
But i imagine strictly, or way easier to work, on Officials

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[hexed forge]

It could work with unofficials tho

[acoustic osprey]

However it wouldn't really be fun after the first time

[hexed forge]

Allow to serverhop to servers that allow that feature

[fast forge]

I know temperate plants very well

[acoustic osprey]

Just a lot more effort and corporation from the unofficial server

[lethal moat]

Random spawns >

[hexed forge]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of very random spawns

Talking like a tiny island spawn
Make a raft and get to the main island

Etc

All random, of course

[hexed forge]

It depends if Gen2 actually came from a different island, or were they already on the island. In the GUTS system perhaps.. In vats?

Depends where Gen2 came from

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm

[hexed forge]

Were they sent to the island? Or were they already on the island.

[acoustic osprey]

We'll have to find out

[fast forge]

if it's off-island, could still be an intro like Sons of the Forest 2, where your helicopter can crash land in one of three different spots (mountain, forest, beach)

[acoustic osprey]

Next time on The Isle

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/theworldmayneverknow-idk-goodquestion-gif-5415227

In 1999

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair
I'd like something more like this for a Gen2 singleplayer (technically tutorial)

In terms of a mini cinematic

Probably dramatise it more for such though

[lethal moat]

I’d love something like that

[lethal moat]

In terms of cinematic, you might not even need to fly out yourself, just call someone in, board a helicopter, and then select which helipad you want to he dropped off at, like the intro to that Predator: Hunting Grounds game

I just like the idea of the most technologically advanced “faction” being able to move their material around

[hexed forge]

If you call someone in- I dont think they would be willing to send you to another dino infested island.

You would likely call someone in when you are trying to be rescued.

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-dexter-innocent-gif-10412116

[lethal moat]

Maybe you go to a gen 1 infested island, or, you’re rewarded for surviving some way and sent out again since you’re a veteran of the islands and know what you’re doing

This is all a hypothetical idea, but it’s interesting

[hexed forge]

Then it all comes down to 1 singular question...

Why are gen2s even on the islands? What purpose?

https://tenor.com/view/leonard-mccoy-never-know-these-things-star-trek-gif-13584471

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-hmm-scratching-gif-17930020

loot

that's my guess

whether it's info or tech or both

[lethal moat]

I think they’re trying to bring the islands back online/under AE’s control

[lethal moat]

“Why gen 2” the sequel to “Why dinosaurs”

[hexed forge]

Whats the prequel

To "Why Dinosaurs"

[lethal moat]

Why giant crabs

[fast forge]

well we can easily guess why gen 2 were made

• Sell immortality/perfect bodies to rich people
• Perfect workers
• Make yourself into a god

[lethal moat]

And the stand alone film “why gen 1”

[lethal moat]

I agree with most of that

[knotty locust]

the thing we need to focus on, though

who signed off on making them? DID someone sign off on making them?

[hexed forge]

Well, the third one is a bit eh.

Since you dont become immortal, you only get 1000 lives. If the contract is what we think it is.

[knotty locust]

what if the gens were the replicators attempts at taking control of the island

[lethal moat]

But why send them to the island, maybe they haven’t been tested enough and the island offers a variety of situations to discover any errors in how they’re built

[fast forge]

I'm talking execs. Don't have to sign a contract like that when you own the tech

[hexed forge]

Doubt

[lethal moat]

I think they were very intentional

[knotty locust]

alternatively i see gen 2s as that one chance at being free from EIPs

[hexed forge]

I see

[fast forge]

the people signing the contract aren't the ones making/owning the tech

[hexed forge]

Mhm, I understand it now

You basically become a god if you can just hop from 1 body to another without worrying about a limit on the lives.

[lethal moat]

Could you elaborate on that?

[lethal moat]

The best kind of immortality is the kind that you can end when you need to

[hexed forge]

All fun and games until the machine that is giving you those lives decides to become sentient and pulls a "Nuh uh" card

[lethal moat]

I still don’t think it’s sentient, but something going wack with the machine would definitely be a “oopsy” moment

[hexed forge]

Fair

[fast forge]

What if the matriarch is a body made for the replicator

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah

More matriarch theories

I’d be willing to hop into an insect body to be the best creature ever

[fast forge]

is that cryolophosaurus in the art?

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[fast forge]

oh it's already got the extra limbs in the version

[lethal moat]

Yep

[fast forge]

must be a leftover from the bug starter

[lethal moat]

It’s a staple throughout all of the phases in that art

[hexed forge]

Thats Allo's old model

[fast forge]

nah, it's a cryolophosaurus

[lethal moat]

I’m willing to throw Cerato into tartarus and light Jolly on fire for some official matriarch concepts

[knotty locust]

gen 2s being an EIP choice, basically

[fast forge]

or maybe the reward at the end of the line

[lethal moat]

If the player is the EIP, that makes sense, but I feel like as a human, they would pick human, because they might be most comfortable there, if they had the choice to choose

[hexed forge]

Its allo.

[fast forge]

Then again, we don't know if EIP's are iterative, if they even keep any memories each time they are downloaded

[hexed forge]

Thats not very nice

[lethal moat]

EIP theories are great, just wish we had actual substance on EIPs

[fast forge]

looks like horns, not crests to me

[hexed forge]

Its literally an allo-

I dont know how to convince you otherwise lol.

[lethal moat]

Gimmie some actual stuff to work with other than “it’s connected to the TOMB”

[hexed forge]

Ok we are going offtopic now, change back to lore

[fast forge]

clearly different from allo's horns

even has the upswept lines

and the curvature

allo horns aren't curved even in your examples

[hexed forge]

Soon..

Anyways, I hope the halloween lore video will include some nice EIP lore.

Currently looking through some of Tapwing's art, a lot of cool things

"Come out and play"

[patent ginkgo]

🫡

[patent ginkgo]

Hey now wait a second we can talk this out buddy hold up

[hexed forge]

Its too late, Im already trapped in here... Rumple will be at your door in a few minutes..

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/leslie-nielsen-good-luck-pressure-were-all-counting-on-you-gif-11218612

[patent ginkgo]

Honestly I could easily make some temperate plants in the future, given that I would have access to said plants for photos irl

That said, I have a feeling that a temperate biome will be made by the devs for the game at some point or other anyway

[lethal moat]

Saw a name in the discussion channel

Wonder if Charybdis or scylla will ever make an appearance

[hexed forge]

A giant crustacean named scylla

Wait are you talking about mythology

or something else named scylla

[acoustic osprey]

just saw, was about to say

but yeah, homage to original allosaurus

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

Crabs are more likely to be Karkinos

[acoustic osprey]

i see them, potentially, as an EIP reword
if anything with EIPs

especially as a test
what would happen after you give the human body back?

[acoustic osprey]

literally cancer

[hexed forge]

Giant Octopus then

[acoustic osprey]

likely not, honestly.
Unless we see more of some sort of underwater operations

potentially underwater playables DLC adding more lore (?)

[hexed forge]

Hope so

Everything that exists only in lore will likely get modded in by the community anyway

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
I'd hope the potential DLC being a mix of playables and actual map stuff like that

(map stuff including lore, of course... world building)

[hexed forge]

World building using the map

[acoustic osprey]

HUNTING LODGE!!

[hexed forge]

YEAH!

[acoustic osprey]

technically, that's how you do it!!!

[hexed forge]

oh
never knew that
thanks.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-gif-26618962

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[acoustic osprey]

will there be one?

[hexed forge]

More than likely

I hope.

[acoustic osprey]

ah, so just presuming
i see

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[hexed forge]

Great game spotted 🗣️

[acoustic osprey]

"great game"
meanwhile community devs:

DMCA's SoT YouTuber several times - especially bans him when FIGHTING against a hacker

[hexed forge]

I have no idea what goes on with the community, I just love the game.

I play it with friends a lot

[hexed forge]

Damn

[acoustic osprey]

yeah their community team is real sucky
they dislike a lot of competitive youtubers

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

can't be a little bit toxic in a pirate game! Even if it's just general anger because you died!

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-of-thieves-4nj4-fawlout-coffee-good-morning-gif-25858754

[hexed forge]

Back to lore

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[fast forge]

just see if the assets from The Forest/Sons of the Forest are public

that's a Pacific Northwest ecosystem right there

would fit with redwoods too

although I'm sure there are other sources for some of those same plants

[lethal moat]

Arctic or antarctic map could be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

would be interesting
albeit, it'd be like playing in a desert map

[lethal moat]

Give me yutyrannus

[acoustic osprey]

a tundra mix with taiga and something like a temperate broadleaf forest would be interesting

basically a northern euro/Scandinavian feel

[lethal moat]

Dinosaur in commercial area sounds fun

[acoustic osprey]

i imagine the commerical area for the hunting lodge, in game, being basically being the lobby of the server

want a new gun? Hop down over to Tiny's Not so Tiny Guns!

[lethal moat]

If that island isn’t abandoned, I would agree, for gen 2/humans

If it is abandoned, I can see humans spawning there, and dinosaurs spawning on the other side of wall of nope, and gen 2 having tons of loot, at the risk of lots of dino hidey places

[hexed forge]

I wonder if it can go as far as renting a helicopter/vehicles

[acoustic osprey]

knowing it'll likely never be playable
I'm turning it into TheHunter Primal meats CoTW

[hexed forge]

We dont even know how mods will work!

[lethal moat]

Rent a AC-130 for hunting hypers

[hexed forge]

Exactly

(I doubt strains will be on the hunting lodge island)

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
we know Mods are supposed to be pretty helpful

and Don talked about a "base mod" would basically be a hunting style mod

[lethal moat]

I agree

[hexed forge]

I see

Basically the hunting lodge island will be an arena lol

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
basically

[acoustic osprey]

not really
I see it being strictly only human playables

i don't imagine any of the creatures within being EIPs

[hexed forge]

So... we will be hunting ai?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know that we are EIPs

[hexed forge]

Talking about actual ingame terms, not lore terms

[hexed forge]

(Isaac just spoiled something from Don's DMs)

Imagine

[lethal moat]

We know very little about EIPs and assume a lot from legacy I imagine

[lethal moat]

I work very hard to not do that since I have NDA now lol

[acoustic osprey]

i'm talking about how the Hunting Lodge would've likely been

[lethal moat]

I obviously tried to not to earlier, but now I really can’t slip up ever

[lethal moat]

I agree

[hexed forge]

So ingame, will we be hunting AI or actual players.

If its actual players, then it could literally just be a fun arena map.

[acoustic osprey]

being hunters
But i doubt "natural offspring" are EIP

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

when I mean hunting game
I mean hunting game

i don't want it literally just being PCE/PC

I mean actual hunting game

as interesting as it'd be for "Humans hunting dinos"
that'd just still be PCE

just slower pacing

[hexed forge]

Hmm, I see

Would be cool to then transform the hunting lodge island into a tutorial for Gen2. Learn the basics of using guns, test how much damage a specific gun can do, etc.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-you-know-nothing-jon-snow-ygritte-gif-14613130

[hexed forge]

Learning while hunting AI ingame that is

(AI fights back)

[acoustic osprey]

i'd imagine something more story-esque
than such, honestly

[hexed forge]

Just, isnt smart enough to fight back like a proper player

[hexed forge]

Why not both

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

2 Different modes

One that is basically a sandbox.
And the other follows a story line of some sorts

[acoustic osprey]

preferably not for a tutorial, honestly

[hexed forge]

Then just a sandbox for players to test out gen2 I guess

[acoustic osprey]

have you played/seen TheHunter Primal gameplay

[hexed forge]

no.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[acoustic osprey]

You'd get that from this anyways
#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

I’m interested to see how guns play out in base game

I need to watch some dayz stuff to get a reference for gen 2 gameplay

[hexed forge]

Test everysingle weapon, in every environment, and on every dinosaur? 🤔

Sorry I never played TheHunter so I have no idea

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
You could do that on the island (hunting lodge)

[hexed forge]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[lethal moat]

So, the theory about AE reshaping the planet to save it from climate change, I think it’s more maintaining areas that pay for a service rather than just “we fixed your problems good day sir”

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-stare-blink-blank-face-gif-3445849547571030493

[hexed forge]

Hmmm. Perhaps

[lethal moat]

What if giant crabs are insurance, make sure anything that dies in the ocean trying to get out isn’t found

[hexed forge]

No, extremely doubt.

It was an accident iirc

So it couldnt be purposefully created to do x task

[lethal moat]

It was initially, but why will we have giant crabs in game if they didn’t purposely continue to make them

[lethal moat]

Even if it isn’t the specific purpose, it could be a use

[hexed forge]

Maybe they were part of the "Incidents"

[hexed forge]

Part of the incidents that caused AE to leave the island, they never continued making them.

[lethal moat]

I am a supporter of intentional crabs! 🦀

[hexed forge]

And also

[hexed forge]

There seems to be much more efficient ways than using uncontrollable crabs

[lethal moat]

Yeah, doesn’t have to be a main use, but crabs are scavengers and it could be useful

[hexed forge]

Seeing as how they attack players, I dont think they were scavengers.

Especially since they are big

[lethal moat]

I am under the assumption that crabs are intentional, rather than AE just dealing with a pest

[hexed forge]

Im of the opinion that the Crustaceans were an accident, part of the "Incidents" that caused AE to leave the island.
Trying to use the crabs for benefit has too much risk and might lead to more harm than actual help.

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-dont-agree-accept-it-but-gif-19918820

[lethal moat]

But the crabs were there first iirc

[hexed forge]

I dont recall that

[lethal moat]

I believe crabs come before dinos, but I could be wrong

[hexed forge]

Not too sure

[lethal moat]

Crab supremacy

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-knife-fight-gif-7305809

[lethal moat]

He gets it

[hexed forge]

Wish someone would've gotten a clip of the crab talk in the stream, can't find it anywhere

https://tenor.com/view/greatness-this-close-verge-of-greatness-gif-14972117

So.

I dont think there was any lore significance in the camera being gone/it being retrieved in lore sadly

[zenith frigate]

[hexed forge]

Wouldve been nice for it to be moved to a human structure, either in a future structure or a current one.

Archive 7...

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[pseudo fable]

It was a test. I moved the assets out because it's not necessary to be there. If it somehow doesn't dissolve from the community mindset, it may find its way back in some way, shape or form.

But it was never meant to be long term. The video itself wasn't even planned like that. This was an incredibly fast, "Lads, I got an idea."

And then a few of us came together to make something real quick.

[hexed forge]

You already know the lore community WILL NOT forget about the camera

This is the first actual "Lore hunt" that the community experienced, it will be remembered. Hope to see it in the future

It shall never dissolve

[lethal moat]

Yeah, loved the moment, look forward to the next

[hexed forge]

Halloween hunt:

Find random dead bodies of humans with a piece of paper next to them, combine the piece of papers, solve the puzzle, go to x location, find BEN in a vat at x location

[lethal moat]

I'd love event style things like that

[hexed forge]

I hope the next lore video includes more EIP stuff too...I assume on Halloween

[fast forge]

EIP's seem kinda fitting for halloween
Ghosts and spirits and such

[spiral elbow]

ARG good!!!

[lethal moat]

Depends on what an EIP is

[hexed forge]

I dont like using the words ghost/spirit to describe EIPs ngl

[fast forge]

well, just based on our conjecture, but that's fair

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-9955372782358568798

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-in-the-shell-thinking-ponder-gif-9486824

[hexed forge]

C14 has one of the pathways that leads to Tartarus, best overthinking ever.

[lethal moat]

It's the one with the hole in the floor that sends you through the map

[hexed forge]

OH THAT

Also

As expected, that area is getting some major stuff.

Cough Docks cough

If thats anything else than Docks than you guys can send me to tartarus.

[pseudo fable]

There's a floor that doesn't have collision you can fall through.

[hexed forge]

Just realized, I overthinked it.

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat Quote this in lorecord or something

[pseudo fable]

Yeah, please stop looking into every message. 😛

[hexed forge]

I cant help it

[fast forge]

what does he mean by this?

[lethal moat]

Yall are something else sometimes

[hexed forge]

About 3 different things

[zenith frigate]

Hes lying we need to look through all his messages from the past 3 years

[lethal moat]

Or
We can ask useful questions, like how we'll be using these in game

[hexed forge]

Sounds like a good plan

[hexed forge]

Tracking dinosaurs is one of them

[zenith frigate]

I assume thats a PDA which could have a map or instructions

[hexed forge]

It was talked about awhile ago,

It wont show what the dinosaur specifically is, it will just show that there is something there

Which is pretty fun, not knowing if you are tracking a rex or a dryo

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-movie-radar-checker-monitoring-gif-17795412

[hexed forge]

Mhm

And also what Jack said

Maps

[lethal moat]

Downloading documents from larger servers would be nice

[hexed forge]

Aye, lore.

[lethal moat]

Also, can I use these as a credit card at the gas station

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-am-gif-26618962

[hexed forge]

Or/and access to certain facilities

[acoustic osprey]

We know they're used for certain things at the moment

[lethal moat]

I'm going to be real with you, I only care about gas 🦅

[acoustic osprey]

Like the gas pump

interested in why though (or, even, how)

[zenith frigate]

I wonder if we'll be able to drink the gas

[lethal moat]

Swap out canteens would be funny lol

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as it's a keycard?
and not a credit/debit card

unless such text on the cards are/were not final

unless it has other meaning

all comes down under taxable deductions for AE/Apollo
so the keycard just allows for you to verify you exist and you are using it

[hexed forge]

Why would it cost money to use gas on AE property as an AE employee, it's certainly free. And all employees need to do is put in the keycard to confirm they are am employee

[hexed forge]

Aye

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, gas is still gas.
It's an expense, and definitely not a cheap one

[hexed forge]

I don't think an AE employee would be paying tho

[acoustic osprey]

if it's not straight necessary use, it's not necessary and just an extra
use the monorail

i do wonder if the pumps still need a keycard

adds a bit more of an interesting gameplay aspect

especially if you don't spawn with a keycard

but even then, in-game, i wonder if such fuel will be limited till server restarts

[pseudo fable]

Gas Station has a slot for them.

🙂

[lethal moat]

LETS GOOOO

Will gas cans be a thing?

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/513d60124370b4220e70db2b88eff5e0
insert cash here

[hexed forge]

Huh

[lethal moat]

And I'm assuming different cards do different things/different degrees of same thing

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
Visual just refers to "keycard"

[hexed forge]

Does that say insert cash?

[acoustic osprey]

no i just made it up

[hexed forge]

I'm thinking that it's different levels of clearance

Allowing you to access certain facilities

[lethal moat]

I want to know if the purple one gets me infininite gas

[acoustic osprey]

(you already knew this)

[hexed forge]

Freedom pass

[lethal moat]

I am eepy, so at this moment, I forgor

[acoustic osprey]

4 goat

As well to further the future human interaction and gameplay loop, I’ve designed our new keycards. This card is WIP and it might go through some changes.

forgot Vis labelled such still, practically, a wip

will be interesting to see what changes are made, if any

[fast forge]

purple for royalty 💅

[hexed forge]

That was a couple months ago however

[acoustic osprey]

likely text, knowing Visual

[hexed forge]

Probably

Oh my internet is being funky

[hexed forge]

OLYMPUS pass

[acoustic osprey]

WHITE for the heavens/Olympus

BLACK for hades/tartarus
or brown

[hexed forge]

There's no white keycard!

Nor black

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message !!!

that's because common workers do not get pass to know their existence!!

[hexed forge]

Oh right

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

Hwhat

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dissaproving-hank-hill-gif-14806126061245867933

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[hexed forge]

Lore insanity at midnight

[fast forge]

erm, it's only 9:30

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
Shame that the camera won't likely be put back (unless we still want it back, which then it's up to Don ||?||)

good to know more on it about it being a test.
Good to know more about it in general anyways

[hexed forge]

12:28 here

[acoustic osprey]

2pm...

[hexed forge]

Just remind him every month

[acoustic osprey]

i think it would be nice with having the TCAM left there (left somewhere on Gateway or where it would've been taken, if we're able to be there)

[hexed forge]

Put it into a human structure

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

hope the test was actually successful though
have to hope

but i'm just saying this to say this.
Nothing else to think of at the moment

[hexed forge]

Well

Took us 3x longer than the expected time

[acoustic osprey]

you never forget your first time

but the most practice tests you do
the better you get for the big one

[fast forge]

[hexed forge]

True

[acoustic osprey]

I've taken notes on what we did and didn't do, plus a lot of our naivety

[hexed forge]

We learned to actually think before going in like starving dogs looking for food

[hexed forge]

We did not think about the hints

I think we basically forgot about the "in and out of game " aspect

[acoustic osprey]

literally would've gotten it if we just looked

lol

but it's something i've definitely had to write down internally.

If you want to find lore: Start with LORE.

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

also, probably, don't read into what Dondi says without someone who does not care about lore to read the messages

but yeah
reading will be improved

[lethal moat]

If it's being said, you probably don't have to dig to find immediate meaning

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-homelander-mk1-thumbs-up-antony-starr-gif-16785599914112622767

[pseudo fable]

Didn't think anyone wouldn't do that tbh.

[lethal moat]

We got a little excited lol

[acoustic osprey]

little

also, my Obsidian has evolved a lot.
I had far too many free nights

[lethal moat]

I have not, looking forward to being back at college

[lethal moat]

Alright, so

Lets say the replicator’s goal was to create the perfect organism, and was given relatively extensive control of how creatures were made and materials to observe said crestures

Actually no

Not perfect organism

Perfect ecosystem, maybe most durable, which requires as little management as possible

What sort of guards would it have against becoming defunct should that ecosystem become self sustaining, would the replicator protect itself intentionally (possibly using others to do so, such as gen 1) or is it just a side effect of whatever happened

Because AE is obviously not finished with whatever they were doing, strains are imperfect, dinosaurs still need to be made, gen 1 exist for some reason, same with crabs, and gen 2 may be sent to the island en masse, not sure on that last one, but AE’s work definitely isn’t finished, and might not even be close

We like to picture the timeline before the game as all there is

But what if there’s so much more after that we won’t see

[lethal moat]

I say “we”, I mean “I”, I shouldn’t assume

[zenith frigate]

The strains could have been used as a safety net to prevent anything from getting out of control on the island
Just one or 2 would be enough to keep an entire population in check

gen 2 could be used as one way workers to repair and maintain equipment and then be left on the island for the wildlife to eat

[lethal moat]

Alright, we don’t know enough about neuro or tisso, but hypers starve super fast, I see them more as an apocalypse rather than a limit on an ecosystem

[lethal moat]

That seems excessive, why not reuse them?

[valid geyser]

Maybe they do?
Are there places for gen 2 to survive until they need work again

[acoustic osprey]

still note that, at least from the Don quote, the crabs seemed to have been incidental
being leakage

unless that is what they want the public to believe

[zenith frigate]

The starvation is the reason they would be so effective
there always on the hunt so AE can add as many creatures as they want with very little chance of them becoming out of control

[lethal moat]

Incidental at first is my belief, then intentional

[lethal moat]

I think they’ll die faster than the population can keep up

[acoustic osprey]

i believe the intentional being research on aspects akin to it
rather than directly for it

[acoustic osprey]

we have to assume that we can't gather much of a better scope because Gateway, and the rest, isn't finished
yes

[zenith frigate]

we would need to know more on the strains and about the actual amount of creatures on the island

[acoustic osprey]

especially with worldbuilding aspects linked with hard assets in-game

[lethal moat]

Ik, I’m just saying I’d like it if the game left off with us asking “what’s next?”

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

knowing Hypers though
they wouldn't be greatly effective

Hypers are still hyper-endocrine

if you hyper accentuate your endocrine system, your hormones, you're not going to have a very good time

nor be a reliable asset for aspects like to control

[lethal moat]

I think the “present” iteration of hypers, from what we think we know, would be disastrous if loosed on the island

[zenith frigate]

if your creating the perfect environment, rare environmental disasters would need to be considered and the hypers could be good ways to test that

it would only be 1 or 2 at a time in a very large area and its likely they would be territorial so large parts of the island would be safe from them for much of the time

[acoustic osprey]

I'd think it worse than JW with Indom (with Indom being caged)

you have overhormoned large creatures
you'll definitely be using a lot of money to keep (maintain) and test them

[pseudo fable]

[zenith frigate]

howdy

[lethal moat]

Keep them in the vat in a hibernation of sorts (press e to break glass plz)

[acoustic osprey]

it's like how I deal/know about existing with my teen sister
you can't just let her go about her day without a tantrum of some sorts

[zenith frigate]

lol fair enough

[acoustic osprey]

i can only imagine how big such tanks would be
but if you could subdue such, that'd be good

[lethal moat]

I don’t see them consistently releasing hypers, but as tests on occasion, sure

[acoustic osprey]

especially depends on if Hyper-Gun exists, and if so how it exists

[lethal moat]

Maybe it’s never left the tank

[acoustic osprey]

(until now)

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

definitely have to test - i suppose
but not test other things

[acoustic osprey]

albeit
Neuros and Tissos seem easier to test

I don't really believe they're like deinos eating up corpses after a PvP battle happened on an isle combat stream

[lethal moat]

I don’t think we know enough about most of the strains, but conjecture is fun

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
nothing anytime soon i suppose

especially for actual gameplay

[lethal moat]

Hypers could be physical threats, neuros could be invasive threats, and tissos could be biological/pathogenic threats

Just used to represent a wide variety of issues

[acoustic osprey]

i can definitely see Gen2s being used, to some extent, in a similar way

at least, for earlier tests

see how reliable Gen2s are, just generally

depends on how advanced they are and what has been engineered of such

are they all body and no intellect? (where, theoretically, such intellect comes down to the EIP's mind)

that being said

how closely related is the brain to the mind in Isle's lore

being something I believe we discussed about a few days ago

[zenith frigate]

if they have a way to cheaply make a ton of them its very likely they would be used as just manpower

no reason to invest in keeping them alive if they could just make more for cheaper

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how AE see them, for their effective use

i don't believe they're truly one use

but that also depends on how they're made, i suppose

and how much to make them

[zenith frigate]

there may also be different version of gen 2s
some could be preprogrammed for a specific task and then disposed of while others may need to be more resilient and "intelligent"

[lethal moat]

Customizable bodies?

[zenith frigate]

Hypers I can see as population control or for emergency use.
I dont like the existence of Tissos and Neuros. If they are used to expose an environment to certain ecological disasters such as disease or even radiation then wouldn't it be just easier to engineer a pathogen and release it with the next batch of creatures rather than to release a giant maybe controllable beast onto the island.
For now I dont like them but maybe in the future we'll get more info

[zenith frigate]

Im thinking more brain capacity

[acoustic osprey]

send a Neuro
like what Don talked about Gen1s

just
the Neuro can turn off your power 🙂 👍

[zenith frigate]

attack dog is a good idea

[lethal moat]

Oh no, it’s dark and our flashlights won’t stay on for more than a second

Oh lord the neuro’s cronies have arrived and are causing problems

I hope they don’t hold back on the potential to abuse neuros, just have limits to how long they can be up, as well as how often you can play as one

[acoustic osprey]

neuros using anything related to EM Radiation (EMP) makes it weaker (it's skin/flesh dies more)

[lethal moat]

Needs to be wet/out of the sun is a fun idea

Vampire neuro

[tender shard]

Who are tribals actualy?Feral Gen1,or lokal people who lived before AE came to island?

[acoustic osprey]

wow that takes me back

but yeah
Gen1s (Generation Ones)

are akin to the idea of "tribals"
but only so far

they're genetically created humanoid monsters

they're not true humans
not true animal

an interesting mixture

we know a few versions of them exist.
Likely with some different aspects

[hexed forge]

I missed a lot while sleeping..

[hexed forge]

My idea is that they are a failed version to create gen2

To create the perfect human

[hexed forge]

Also, redwoods.

Ohohoohh

I wonder if I could locate that exact spot on the current map by using the moon

[patent ginkgo]

terrain is likely entirely different, i wouldnt sink time into it

[hexed forge]

Hm, well. Uh

WAIT

On the right side there is a fence..

[patent ginkgo]

yeah, which could be completely new

[hexed forge]

New fences wooo

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah I know I wasn't trying to guess the location, I'm just pointing out new fences 😎

[patent ginkgo]

hooray

[hexed forge]

My wish came true

[patent ginkgo]

though, it could also be not new

we really just dont know yet

[hexed forge]

Hmm

Well I'm under the assumption that it's between NW ridge and west access. Behind the mountain.

I believe there is something that has to due with mountains that forms colder climates in a tropical environment

Which could explain the redwoods thriving there

[patent ginkgo]

i have a feeling that it may be in that general region, as remember that don said in a stream once that there were already plans for that area

[hexed forge]

Yep

[patent ginkgo]

Thumatophyllum xanadu is back

troodon gonna be real scary again in jungles

[hexed forge]

Elaborate

[patent ginkgo]

take a look at the jungle floor, see the plant?

[hexed forge]

Ohhh those

I assume when the troodon is crouching it would be hard to spot it

[patent ginkgo]

yes

small things getting a major buff in jungles

especially with that new nv

[hexed forge]

Very good

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 have replaced tribals in Evrima

[strange shell]

Gen 1 are are monke

[hexed forge]

The things that I notice in this image.
-The fence seems to be on a hill/cliff
-The image is facing either west or east
-The area seems to be hilly

What areas are hilly on the current map?
-East plains
-West access
-NW ridge

What areas had plans?
-Area between west access and NW ridge

Welcome back to another moment of me overthinking

[patent ginkgo]

No I think that’s a good amount of thinking

And we also knew that the map designer had plans for that area

[hexed forge]

Hmm yea

So redwoods prefer Moist environments according to a random article

If we could figure out which direction the fence is facing then I think that would make things much more easier

Well, ok so we are within the fenced area.

That was fast

Yeah okay, so its not east plains.

Possible locations
-NW ridge/West access

It could be south plains actually

The moon matches SP

Perhaps this jungle area got reworked?

[patent ginkgo]

That was the other area I was thinking

Though it’s rather far removed from the rest of the island due to that inlet

So I have a feeling it’ll not be the only redwood forest if it has any

[hexed forge]

hmmmmm

I posted my final analysis in lorecord.

For anyone whose not in lorecord

Overthinking is like a drug, I cant help it.

But if my prediciton is actually correct then my life would be complete.

Ooo, theres also something else to add on

Iirc Don talked about a dam in south plains

Time to draw...

Black is the Dam
Purple is the fence
Blue is the water

New prediction that could support my other prediction

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-20153689

[zenith frigate]

I like that idea but I also feel that redwoods would be better on that northwestern coastline

Mainly because I want a bigger forest of redwoods and theres more space over there

[hexed forge]

SW is much larger than NW tho

And also West access is a human area, so the fence placement wouldnt make sense

And also NW doesnt match the moon placement/The mountains block the moon.

Unless there is a perspective that I missed

[zenith frigate]

I feel like the moon placement can match a lot of places

I also dont know if the sky is very consistent

[hexed forge]

Not too sure

[fast forge]

is this new or old?

[hexed forge]

Its new

[fast forge]

the size and angle of that "fence" doesn't look like a traditional hyper fence to me

looks like the top of one of these

[hexed forge]

Its on a hill, and no... its.. a fence..

Do you not see the fence..

[fast forge]

yes, I saw your zoom in

it's still slanted in a way that normal fences are not

[hexed forge]

Thats clearly a hyper fence. Thats all Ima say...

[fast forge]

then it should be parallel with the vertical-growing tree

[hexed forge]

Yes, because its in a different position..

[fast forge]

way to just shut me down dude

nvm I'm going back to work, have fun

[hexed forge]

Its on the side that is- Hold on let me show you a picture

[pseudo fable]

It's a Biomes test map.

[hexed forge]

Wow.

[pseudo fable]

I didn't realize this was being debated after I went to sleep.

[hexed forge]

[pseudo fable]

Yeah there's a giant fence in a lot of spots.

It's laid down in a grid to break up the biomes.

[hexed forge]

So redwoods arent on gateway currently?

Sadge

[pseudo fable]

The picture of the allo in the treeline is literally "Turn your head right from looking at the redwoods treelines and there's a jungle treeline"

https://tenor.com/bVXiI.gif

[lethal moat]

That’s crazy

[hexed forge]

My life is ruined

This is what I deserve tbh for overthinking.

I expect too much and then feel disappointed, all my fault.

[lethal moat]

I haven’t been beaten up for refusing to play l4d2 yet, so I count this as a win

[zenith frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-17960681

[hexed forge]

Only you, hacker, and Isaac need to play it right? So Im free

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-imfree-old-man-fail-gif-4581690

[hexed forge]

Its just on this side, thats why its angled like that. Its still a hyper fence.

Anyways, I guess theres no point to even discussing it anymore since its a biomes test map

And not Gateway

[lethal moat]

“I just think it’s neat”

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

you realize that perspective doesn't make two parallel objects not parallel, right?

[hexed forge]

What

[fast forge]

nvm 🙄

not worth my time

[lethal moat]

The allo is just on the other side of the hyper fence with a different angle

[hexed forge]

Tiny is saying that its not a hyper fence

I dont know how you can see something else than a hyper fence

But oh well

[fast forge]

I'm OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY wrong, let's just drop it jeez

[hexed forge]

Yep, Sadge that redwoods arent on gateway right now. Wouldve been a cool map change to end the year with

[lethal moat]

Domes

[zenith frigate]

plant the redwoods on top of the domes

[hexed forge]

Exactly

[vocal cove]

There are even places where they could go just fine, like what's currently the (actual) south plains or the northwest.

[lethal moat]

Depends on where gateway is located imo

Also, Redwoods have really shallow roots, so you need lots of them, and soil type does matter

[hexed forge]

Yeah thats where I predicted they would go too

[vocal cove]

I don't think the devs care much about botantical aspects, more about map design.

[hexed forge]

Redwoods need moist environments, soooo

[lethal moat]

It can be explained by genetic engineering

[vocal cove]

Gateway as a whole seems rather humid, the highlands maybe a bit less but otherwise moist shouldn't be an issue.

[young viper]

old pic?

[vocal cove]

new pic.

[lethal moat]

Brand new as of last night

[hexed forge]

New

[lethal moat]

Got some good nv and allo stuff, but it’s a testing map, not lore significant, but it’s cool

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/police-coco-jaw-drop-skeleton-shocked-gif-15485742

[hexed forge]

Its not on gateway

[young viper]

Redwoods...

i need them

[lethal moat]

Perimeter

[hexed forge]

^

[hexed forge]

Did you complete L4D2 yet? We kind of need some lore..

[lethal moat]

I probably won’t, and if I do, it won’t be until after August 15

[hexed forge]

[patent ginkgo]

i just saw the biomes test map news

[hexed forge]

Its unfortunate

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/my-disappointment-is-immeasurable-and-gif-20080022

[fast forge]

So real redwoods need more than just high humidity for their gigantic size, they actually need the very specific persistent fog that is found in their small range.

While most trees just pull water up from the roots via capillary action (water exits the leaves, effectively creating a vacuum up top that pulls water up the xylem, like sucking on a straw), redwoods can actually take in and store water way up in the canopy, in addition to drawing from the roots like other trees.

My theory (as Rumple mentioned) is that they've just found a genetic engineering trick around this, in order to grow gigantic redwoods outside of their foggy native biomes

[lethal moat]

Or Perimeter will be constantly foggy

[hexed forge]

I would love Perimeter to be foggy

[fast forge]

perhaps, but if they are created to be megaflora with which to create a new post-climate change world, they would need to grow big and survive outside their tiny native range in southern Oregon/northern Cali

[lethal moat]

Maybe there’s something different planned with the domes then, maybe more to test the creatures in extremes than to recreate the environment itself

[hexed forge]

Well, the domes were said to contain biomes multiple times by the devs.

[fast forge]

maybe, but I like the genetic engineering angle

[lethal moat]

I’m not disputing that, I’m saying those biomes are more for the creatures, rather than the actual testing of new biomes

[patent ginkgo]

likely

[hexed forge]

Oh yea, probably then

Test x creature in how they survive in a dry environment

[patent ginkgo]

we know that a botany sector is not planned for gateway, so i doubt we would have any botany-focused things on it

also, i just realized ERRANT's map thing is not a diagram of gateway things only

due to the botany thing

[fast forge]

ehhhh, as I mentioned redwoods are only found in a small area. Why not test in a temperate biome that is much more common?

(of course the answer could just be that "redwoods look cool" and not have any deeper meaning)

Also, it would take a massive amount of work just to get redwoods to grow on gateway, even compared to other temperate forests

[lethal moat]

Maybe redwoods are extinct due to climate change and that’s another asset they’re bringing back

[hexed forge]

Yippee, I had that idea in another server today. Its possible

[fast forge]

maybe, but that's a supposition that's just as likely as "they are rewilding the forests with redwoods"

[hexed forge]

"Earth?"

Just spent 5 minutes looking for the "Earth?" msg, cant find it 🫠

[lethal moat]

Redwoods might be a publicity thing tbh

[meager junco]

That’s why I’ve been thinking they might be created environments for special things, basically the whole “moist” neuro theory all over again lol

[meager junco]

Btw I don’t think that earth(?) thing was said in discord, I think it was found but I could be wrong

[hexed forge]

Nonono, it was 100% a message.

[meager junco]

Like I said I could be wrong, but Ik what you mean tho

[fast forge]

in what official documentation do they use the term "asset"?

I just checked the Augustus video, didn't see that term used at all

I saw it in the roadmap (far right bar)

I just keep seeing you all use this term, but I don't think it's actually that common of a term for AE

[meager junco]

I mean they are biological assets are they not?

[zenith frigate]

The use subject a lot
They also use replication

[fast forge]

yes, but like, it's not a common term

I work in biotech - we don't call our lab mice "assets" even if it's technically true

[fast forge]

yes, and even more common is just saying the specific type of animal

[meager junco]

No I understand that, I meant maybe people are just using that term instead of saying dinosaurs to sound more professional

[zenith frigate]

"Asset" may have come from the strains but thats just a guess as I havent looked at those very much

[fast forge]

it just seems like a more prevalent term among lore people than it actually is in documention

[meager junco]

I mean tbf, we barely know any of the actual lore, we might get a video or something that calls them assets, we still have a lot to learn

[hexed forge]

Its just a nice term

[meager junco]

I don’t mind using it or seeing others use it

[hexed forge]

yep

[fast forge]

I just think it's overused sometimes

sprinkle it in there, y'know?

[fast forge]

I also wanted the context for the term because I want to know when and how it is used

For example, it is never used to talk about Augustus

They say "the subject" or "animals of this species" or "replications" or simply just referring to it as a herrerasaurus

By contrast, we see "assets" used to describe upcoming animal types in the roadmap video

I wonder if it's used to refer to a type of animal, but not individuals

Orrrrr there's just no rhyme or reason, and it is just used when it seems like the best term

idk, but makes me curious where else it is used

[hexed forge]

Maybe Assets are used when there are more than 1 species in a situation?

No idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWrAPh9DV3w

They uploaded the allo teaser on the official channel

Oh great, now the allo hype train is revived.

[pulsar moss]

Yeah back to the dark ages.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/hagrid-dark-times-harry-potter-gif-11616633

[zenith frigate]

Long allosaurus

Loooooooooonnnnnnggg Allosaurus

[green kindle]

has there been any mention as to how far along the allo is

like any idea when we getting that beast

[zenith frigate]

no

we have no information other than it is being worked on

[green kindle]

i remember someone said a dev said we’d be getting a nice valentines gift but who knows if the two are related

i need a new carni playable

[median shuttle]

there are no etas

[hexed forge]

I dont think this is the correct chat to ask about it

[green kindle]

already got my answer anyways lol

[median shuttle]

wonder what will come of this spot in the future

[lethal moat]

Uturn

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/han-tokyodrift-gif-8353630

[hexed forge]

That just looks like an issue on the map

[median shuttle]

omg now I want a community server event where groups of human players do a dragrace across the island trying to dodge/hit as many dinosaurs as possible

[hexed forge]

I vote for hit

[lethal moat]

You see troodon, I see speedbump

[median shuttle]

would be fun to avoid tho with dino players purposley waiting across the roads to get hit or ambush the cars

[hexed forge]

Someone mod in Gokarts

[lethal moat]

You know the accessibility scooters at walmart?

[hexed forge]

no

[lethal moat]

They’re slower than walking, I think racing those would be funny

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/gifs-gif-18652629

these things

[hexed forge]

I see

[lethal moat]

Race those down the monorail tracks, I’ll run Isaac of the side if I can

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

I’m hearing ramp + kickflip

[hexed forge]

When moving at a speed slower than walking? 🗿

[lethal moat]

Yes

[hexed forge]

Seems possible.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah still has the text
seems like nothing really was adjusted

nice to have it on the official channel now
don't have to go on a mini scav hunt to find it again lol (on the internet)

[lethal moat]

Gimmie the field guide

[acoustic osprey]

are you able to quickly update the doc?

just wanted to update the link for it

[lethal moat]

Give me 2ish hours

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[hexed forge]

AE Feild guide:

Maiasaura Nesting behavior

Would be a nice one to have

[lethal moat]

Any sort of instruction manual or logistics thing would be nice, and if they ever sell lore adjacent merch, I would love it

[hexed forge]

Yep

[hexed forge]

They also made the video on the GW_F5 channel private

[lethal moat]

Wonder what else Seiza is working on besides that gateway trailer

Rex trail cam would probably be unbelievably popular

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[hexed forge]

A new roadmap update

Punch said they wanted to release one soon

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah

[patent ginkgo]

Looking forward to it

[hexed forge]

Im hoping before the end of the summer

[knotty locust]

its winter right now tho

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[lethal moat]

Ok mister southern half of the planet

[lethal moat]

I’m trying to decide wether or not AE would manage their own shipping entirely, or just have sailors stay away from assets and pay them to not ask questions

How much dinosaur making material can be distinguished from botany and food engineering stuff?

[knotty locust]

nah they'd definitely have their own shipping company of some kind with an organisation that large

and having your own shipping company allows for

accidents

to occur when a certain person IN that company acts out of line

[lethal moat]

Even then, I doubt the shipping people are held to the same degree of secrecy as people who actually go on the island, which may end up being a problem

[knotty locust]

undoubtedly a private company, but theyd still ship their own stuff i imagine

[median shuttle]

I'm really hoping for a wrecked container ship on the shoreline or maybe even underwater in the ocean

[stoic lantern]

help can someone answer me in #isle-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

AEQUOR!!

[fast forge]

did you hear? It's a nonsense filler acronym

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah I know

But the actual words to what it will be

Might have meaning for such

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kros-kick-sports-football-kick-the-ball-gif-17304547

[snow jasper]

no, i take it back, a bit too violent

https://tenor.com/view/juggling-fire-gif-21336670

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-why-why-are-we-still-here-just-to-suffer-gif-17485467

[lethal moat]

Do elders have lore significance

[patent ginkgo]

Yes
The dinos do in fact experience time and have effects for living a healthy life
Like everything else

[lethal moat]

[patent ginkgo]

I’m so brilliant

[hexed forge]

If elders effect how we will get strains, then.. maybe.

[fast forge]

I hope they do. Would love if they require you to play a certain way, or get certain mutations to get them

[hexed forge]

Same, maybe a certain combo of mutations grants you the ability to evolve into a strain.

[ocean estuary]

i think at the end of the last movie of jurassic park they collected all the dino and put em on a island and thats where we come from

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-taco-smile-gif-15840669

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

I totally forgot to update it, I’ll do that when I get home Isaac

[hexed forge]

JP and The Isle Lore are not related

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-hill-bicycle-riding-cowboys-cowboy-gif-1022948746026166453

[lethal moat]

Boi I have work

[hexed forge]

Just give Isaac editing perms!

[lethal moat]

Probably should do that

If he DMs me the email he wants to use to edit it, I’ll give him edit perms

[hexed forge]

Another reminder to update the doc

👍

[lethal moat]

Just got back from work

[lethal moat]

My roommate is asleep, so I cannot get on my pc 🫠

[lethal moat]

The fact that offline has a question mark after it makes me think that the transmitter was the objective of 291, maybe they wanted to send/steal data

Errant 291 might be an attempted “incident” contributor

[lethal moat]

Also, knowing how ruthless Apollo’s lawyers could be, how do you think the NDA is after you leave (if you leave at all)

[strange sinew]

1 night in the trex den

[hexed forge]

Lore is more important than your roommate

[lethal moat]

I made a deal, if I want my pc in my room, my roommate sleeps

[hexed forge]

Fair enough

[ornate comet]

I don’t like that

[lethal moat]

Wonder if international sanctions would affect AE, or if they would just have the influence or resources to ignore/circumvent any of those sanctions

Have subsidiaries based in other countries and trade through those, something like that

[lethal moat]

Also, exactly how much oversight Apollo exercises over its subsidiaries could be interesting, could have the mistakes been prevented?

[hexed forge]

The mistakes being what? The "Incidents"?

[lethal moat]

Or just general mismanagement

[hexed forge]

@snow jasper just saw your name, is this a declaration of war

[lethal moat]

I stand with you Rün, as someone who refuses to play L4D2

[patent ginkgo]

Banned from lorecord

[hexed forge]

^

[lethal moat]

I hope there’s either a Muldoon or a Steve Irwin similar character

[hexed forge]

So basically,

Dr. Rumple.

[lethal moat]

NO

BAD

[hexed forge]

No

Good!

[valid geyser]

Dr. Rumple WHY

[hexed forge]

When will we have Dr. Cerato

The guy that gets eaten by a bunch of cera hatchlings

Or the Guy that Dr. Rumple sacrifices without a second thought, that sounds more real.

Am I right? @lethal moat

[lethal moat]

[patent ginkgo]

As long as Dr. Rumple doesn’t have an affinity for combustion, I’m good

[fast forge]

BURN IT ALL

IT MUST BE PURE

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-no-no-no-tanklorde-gif-25785566

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-are-you-trying-to-kill-me-gif-9427048

[hexed forge]

We really need to do the hunger games with lorecord again, that was super fun.

[patent ginkgo]

Uh

I don’t enjoy being LIT ON FIRE

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-thats-rough-buddy-thats-rough-gif-4264932

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-smash-bros-tekken-kazuya-volcano-gif-21972750

[hexed forge]

Lore has been pretty dead, damn

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[lethal moat]

I always try and say something before I go to bed, in an attempt to make up for not playing L4D2

[hexed forge]

I should do that too, going to bed rn. So...

Dr. Rumple should be a scientist that partaked in the creation of troodon.

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[lethal moat]

[snow jasper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1056682947975073832/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.gif

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-gif-23179714

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-27342590

[hexed forge]

Oh sh I sent it twice accidentally

Internet is going a bit crazy

[fast forge]

I've had this happen, it will double post on your screen, only do it once for everyone else

It corrects itself later

[lethal moat]

How common enough are leaks that they had to put a warning on the Augustus video?

[hexed forge]

Oh yea

[hexed forge]

It could just be a general security policy, doesn't mean that it happens on the regular basis.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-who-broke-gif-23407071

[hexed forge]

It was Dr. Rumple

[lethal moat]

I will fight you

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-jjk-s2-jjk-season-2-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-gif-13959023079104600842

[lethal moat]

Where does AE get most of their funds? Profits from sales? Or government grants? A combo of them from the various subsidiaries

[honest lynx]

Black-market stuff

[lethal moat]

I feel like there might be some stuff there, but probably not a significant margin

[honest lynx]

Maybe like teeth or bones? Maybe even "medicinal" stuff.

Cutely buys a dino in a jar

[lethal moat]

We know the dinosaurs are probably a secret to a large portion of the population, we know they have medical subsidiaries, so I’d say medicine is extremely likely

[honest lynx]

It'd be really cool to find documents about their funding that's for sure!

[lethal moat]

Apollo Pharmaceuticals North, Apollo Red, Mercury Beneficial, and Apollo Engineering are known subsidaries

[strange shell]

Dinosaur plushies

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/uau-wow-surprise-gif-25596192

[smoky sapphire]

is this just wierd textures on rock ?

[patent ginkgo]

Yes, I like to think that it’s copper veins tho

[hexed forge]

Medicine from their subsidiaries and perhaps government funds for their goal of trying to fix climate change. The government just doesn't know how AE is doing it.

[lethal moat]

I feel like “the government” would at least know more than the average person

[hexed forge]

I don't think they would know about dinosaurs

I believe they would know about gen1 and gen2 tho

[lethal moat]

The government tends to want to know what they’re spending lots of money on

Send a satellite over one of AE’s island and find out what’s on it anyways

[hexed forge]

Giant plants

[hexed forge]

Didn't Don say that it's easy to cover up the 10% of what AE does

90% shown and the rest easy to hide

The government could just see the 90% and think," oh well, fair enough. Nothing else they are working on"

[lethal moat]

That was in reference to the public facing portion of the company #isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Yes, and I think that it would be enough for the government to not be suspicious of AE

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

The government knows A LOT and has a lot of resources to know it, I don’t think AE could hide enough if they wanted to, especially since a lot of their work is done on the Earth’s surface

[hexed forge]

Tartarus

Well, now that I think of it. The public and the government Def know that Dinosaurs exist

Because we know the existance of the hunting lodge

[hexed forge]

Maybe Errant was a government spy.

[fast forge]

eh could be a black market thing, only available to the rich and powerful

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Seems like something a trust fund kid would do

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-heavy-maybe-sniff-well-see-gif-16650546

Well, there’s also Apollo Pharmaceuticals, and the government closely regulates medicine, so something like that could be their major in to exercising authority over Apollo

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[fast forge]

yeah, same kind of jerks who do big game hunting irl

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-allosaurus-allo-allosaurus-the-grappling-animal-the-killer-gif-25072310

[hexed forge]

no

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-team-fortress2-tf2-soldier-tf2-meet-the-spy-gif-12327531192716704305

Me when lore theorizing

Except it’s not misinformation I’m just stupid

You’ve heard of genetically engineered kelp, get ready for
Corn 2

[tender shard]

As we all know,dinosaurs never existed.AE invented them to get money from toys

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/mon-mon-spin-we-chat-toy-dinosaur-gif-11710916

[hexed forge]

Cornmaze as an attraction on the hunting lodge island.

[lethal moat]

With utahraptors

[hexed forge]

Troodons would be a better choice

[tender shard]

PERSONIFICATION OF EVIL COMPANY POWER

[lethal moat]

Counterpoint: Utah would look better dressed up as a scarecrow

[hexed forge]

Counterpoint: Troodon is more stealthy and could scare people when running past them

[lethal moat]

Troodon would kill them all too fast, especially if in a group, and they wouldn’t even know it was there except for a few chirps

[hexed forge]

Who said they would kill them? What if EIPs are controlling the bodies...And their task is to only make the guests crap themselves (Thanks automod)

https://tenor.com/view/hell-descent-descend-going-to-gif-12003417268237105589

[lethal moat]

Joke vs actual theory, lets move over to EIPs, I still think we’re assuming too much from legacy that hasn’t been reconfirmed for Evrima

[hexed forge]

But Rumple,

The only thing we can do is just assume and compare.

[lethal moat]

Or we can try and think about what’s changed

[hexed forge]

We have very little information to assume from an evrima standpoint

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

What’s different between Legacy and Evrima that could affect EIPs, my immediate thoughts are strains and gen 1

[hexed forge]

No thoughts.

I know very little about EIPs in legacy, only thing I know is that "Human consciousness inside a dinosaur and it gets controlled by the human"

[alpine lynx]

are gen1’s EIP’s tho?

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know

if anything
EIPs point to (not only but for what we can gather) being Dinosaurs

and at most
some dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

I hope so, I think it could be fun

[acoustic osprey]

there is likely a distinction between
Naturally created off-spring and replications

[alpine lynx]

if gen1’s are EIP’s why do they hunt humans

[acoustic osprey]

looking at the AUGUSTUS video in how they were dealt

[acoustic osprey]

you have your old mind
but your brain is innately destroyed

how do you deal

[hexed forge]

And gen2 probably

[lethal moat]

Maybe they want a human body back

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

preferably, I'd like to see EIPs being Gen2s as a reward of sorts
unless Gen2s are no where near a reward

[alpine lynx]

but that doesnt how it works tho

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
refer to this

how much of you is truly you?

[alpine lynx]

but that means you can think and you have your own memories

[acoustic osprey]

especially when what makes you is easily changed and influenced from your physical brain

[acoustic osprey]

can you?
If your pre-frontal cortex is nothing
can you think like you used to?

[hexed forge]

This is coming to that part of EIP talk where my brain starting frying and I slowly leave

[lethal moat]

If you are yourself, but don't have the proper brain structure to think as you would, are you still yourself

[acoustic osprey]

what makes you you ?

[alpine lynx]

then theres no reason of EIP

[hexed forge]

me

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

are you sure?

[alpine lynx]

i mean its pretty much a human on a vegetative state

[acoustic osprey]

the mind is a very complex idea of physical and the metaphysical

[lethal moat]

What if you put it into a human brain structure? Or a dinosaur into another same dinosaur?

[alpine lynx]

EIP is a vegetative state then

[acoustic osprey]

is it now?
The thing is though with being in a vegetative state is that you have no control over your physical brain

EIPs don't have no control (they would have control)
they just have a completely different control than what would be normal for them as a "normal" human

[alpine lynx]

i don’t understand

[acoustic osprey]

and this also goes into the psychology of such as well

[alpine lynx]

so EIP is just a human in a dinosaur but can’t think?

[lethal moat]

You are yourself without the ability to understand that you are yourself
Something along those lines

[alpine lynx]

old memories in the dinosaur body that have no purpose now

[acoustic osprey]

we can't say they can't think
we can assume most dinosaurs would be created with a general frontal lobe

but the purpose of EIPs isn't, exactly, to make a new Human 2.0 as a dinosaur

[alpine lynx]

so EIP’s are something like newborns??

[lethal moat]

I still think that there's a significant change we might not know about

[acoustic osprey]

we can't really know
but we can guess that to extent - potentially

not exactly a "new human being's mind"

more so in the idea that
you are basically being put into the mind with a body anew

you are basically being born again, in the physical matter

[lethal moat]

The end is never

[acoustic osprey]

loop loop loop

[hexed forge]

All Lore people should change their status to this

Dont

[acoustic osprey]

i don't want to
as cool as it is

it's still a stanley parable quote!!

[hexed forge]

Thats why I said Dont!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/play-it-back-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-replay-rewind-it-gif-21983626

[acoustic osprey]

ironic
as it's in a gif

[alpine lynx]

so you have your consciousness, but you are on a new body with a new brain which really doesn’t work like a human one

[acoustic osprey]

practically
and now how does change/affect your conscious mind?

this is our thought on the idea

because we basically don't have anything to go off at the moment

with clear and distinct "yes and no" for such

heck not even in EIPs, really

we had the Transmissions, but those were more questions than answers

[alpine lynx]

if you still have your consciousness with a new brain that is not smart as your original one