isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

I'd love to see something like that, let me get the ocean concept arts

[median shuttle]

man thats soooo good

I think the first concept art of evrima I ever saw

the mars landscape that is the ocean floor rn looks like some tragic ecological disaster struck the island

[lethal moat]

Looks like normal ocean to me

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/hotchick-so-sad-that-is-like-so-sad-hot-chick-gif-7227010545759108544

[lethal moat]

The ocean is largely empty

https://anthropocenemagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ocean-Floor-Wallpaper-4.jpg

[median shuttle]

I mean kinda but theres many different biomes and ecosystems throughout the oceans

[lethal moat]

Yeah

Coral reefs have some of the most diverse and life dense areas in the world, but the ocean floor, especially in deeper areas, tends to be barren

[median shuttle]

well ocean floors tend to have lots of sealife because of the remains of animals falling

[lethal moat]

Yep

[median shuttle]

not to forget whalefalls which are such cool concepts

and underwater islands

[lethal moat]

mhm

[median shuttle]

but yeah lots of it is just sand and rock

[lethal moat]

Not much light for plants

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/diving-trench-ocean-deep-scary-gif-6036721

[lethal moat]

Yep

[pseudo fable]

I do know when it comes time for debug humans to exist (functional sounds, effects, mechanics for the base pawn), it'll definitely not be talked about. There will just be gunfire in a hordetest.

[valid geyser]

Ah.
So chaos.
I see.

Perfect.

[pseudo fable]

I'm pretty confident in saying that most "shadow drops" will have some sort of live functionality test done by devs or QA inside of the HordeTest. That'll be our kind way of giving you the new thing being worked on that may or may not become readily available. Also a nice thing for the people in there testing metrics on new things.

[valid geyser]

Oh that’s nice, a fun way to show potential things for the future.

Can’t wait to have people send clips of distant gunfire with the caption of “WHAT IS THIS??”

[lethal moat]

So like a teaser

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[fast forge]

I always thought human sounds (gunfire and vehicles) would be very fun to hear because they are so different from all of the naturalistic sounds currently in the isle

[hexed forge]

I just want some vhs tapes/audio logs that we can find and play. And perhaps they will tell a story of some sorts, pieces of lore, incidents, etc.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/1dh4xfa/i_made_a_model_of_the_dome_while_i_was_waiting_in/

hey look
this is pretty neat

Perimeter for size lol

[lethal moat]

Very nice

[hybrid wagon]

That’s a big dome

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19492683

i cannot grasp the total size of Perimeter yet

I really need to be in first person or VR

Honestly

the person basically sums up just the concrete sides to be SKYSCRAPER height

it doesn't feel like it
until you see the reference

just feels uniquely unbelievable

being a big creature in third person really takes you away from perspective

[lethal moat]

I bet we could get a pretty close estimate in admin mode by comparing the length of the perimiter entrance area to the length if the full side, and then figuring out the length if the entrance area

[acoustic osprey]

i think this person just used the actual files of Perimeter

because the model seems basically a 1;1 basically

but I definitely believe what has been shown in that reddit post to be almost exactly true

i don't doubt their size comparisons

i just can't hyperbolically believe it

[lethal moat]

Ah

[acoustic osprey]

which is why I want human pov RIGHT NOW!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-too-bad-lego-gif-14178651

[acoustic osprey]

which i cannot wait for

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-of-an-ancient-world-gandalf-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15651458

[lethal moat]

Soon TM

[fast forge]

this does not feel accurate to what's in game

idk

[acoustic osprey]

going to use google earth

see if it's actually correct

[tough sluice]

oooo this will be exciting! I remember it happening with Dilos when they first came out. As long as the servers are working first before we start getting shot at 😂 haha I want to pack hunt people as an omni

[lethal moat]

Well perimeter is 1/8 the size of gateway's playable area, so 14/8 = 1.75 km long

[valid geyser]

Yeah that
Doesn’t help me visualise it

Give me something in real life that i could slap into google maps and use the little yellow man to look at

[tough sluice]

Can't wait to see where this game is in like 5 years. I wish I could fast forward time. I'm super excited for the human/dinosaur interaction in the coming years.

[lethal moat]

It's about the distance from the statue of liberty to Governors Island Picnic point

[acoustic osprey]

are you saying NYC doesn't exist

specifically Manhattan

[valid geyser]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[valid geyser]

I have literally no sense of distance and size

[acoustic osprey]

do you have one eye

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BStd6il0H0M

[valid geyser]

You could tell me it’s as long as a bus and I’d go “well yeah but how big is that again?” Even if I saw one three minutes ago

[acoustic osprey]

yay NYC doesn't exist (music)

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

https://gyazo.com/5e7f5df854970126fffbc6a44997a646

this is a rough using Earth
but
it's basically close to such

if not
the NYC one is smaller

[valid geyser]

Okay had to use my big art brain to imagine that

Wow that’s big

[acoustic osprey]

petition to replace Perm with the dome from Vegas

(plus the face of the CEO of AE)

[lethal moat]

Perimiter is from here to that opposite coast

[acoustic osprey]

but keep it the same size as Perm

[valid geyser]

GUH

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

we knew the longest length of Gateway was 15km
i'm gonna recal Perm

using pixel distance (yay!!!)

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224906148977578034/image-2.png?ex=6670eebf&is=666f9d3f&hm=17e633dceeddaaca7a6e3735f633f630f851a85d5ddeb92edbd7ac1cc7d92685& I used the squares distance

[hexed forge]

Each square is 1km?

[acoustic osprey]

no

kinda

[hexed forge]

Hm

[acoustic osprey]

it'd be a bit less than 1km

roughly 800m
would have to cal still

[lethal moat]

Perimiter is 2.5 squares, I divided the total squares by 2.5 to see how many times it took for perimiter to fill it up, then divided gateway by that number

20/2.5 is 8

15/8 is 1.875

I was close

[hexed forge]

So it's 16km x 16 km

[acoustic osprey]

the total map of Gateway
not the island itself
likely 16x16

(I never calculated the whole level)

[lethal moat]

So perimiter is roughly 2 km large

[hexed forge]

Yea

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey using this, if each square is 800 meters, the total map is 16km x 16km including the ocean 🤔

~16km

Not exactly 16km, but around that atleast

[lethal moat]

So

Perimiter may cost significantly more than I thought

seeing as it's about twice as large as I was assuming

[hexed forge]

Mhm

And each small dome is 1km x 1km

Lots of money

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/852b0164263bf77bf9a67a87f61b2818

a = 2953
b = 2805

c (hypotenuse) = roughly 4070 pixels

which equals ~15km

(unsure if my maths is right with this one but)
therefore we can say
4070 = 15,000m (presume all is "~")
therefore we can find out how much one pixel is per meter

15,000/4070 = 3.6855036855

then we must find the pixel count of a side of Perm
https://gyazo.com/33aaf4987e5a96e7e3267a42fb855aa3

just realised it shows the c (l1)
which is 260.85

therefore
260.85*3.6855036855 = 961.363636363m

which means it's 0.96km
which rounds up to 1km to 0.9km due using averages for the first equation

[hexed forge]

Woah

[fast forge]

I was just talking to my father about this song the other day! He pointed out that Eric Clapton solo version is closer to Eric's original idea for the song (slower, smoother), but the band initially vetoed that because they were a rock band, and wanted to make rock songs.
(Sorry, an aside)

[lethal moat]

So one straight edge is about a KM

[acoustic osprey]

which makes the whole map level roughly
15095.8230958 x 15095.8230958

which is 15km vs 15km

[acoustic osprey]

basically yeah

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of Vulnona's one

[fast forge]

that sounds correct

[acoustic osprey]

i imagine another km or two if you include the outside as well

[lethal moat]

And 2km on longest side from point to point

[acoustic osprey]

hm, interesting

||(rock can have piano too !!)||

[fast forge]

oh lookit that, a squared U-shaped section of deep water right near that pond on the east coast...

[hexed forge]

Don't trust the random ocean cliffs

Ocean isn't finished at all

[acoustic osprey]

trust it!!

[lethal moat]

Perimeter is over a mile long from it's farthest edges

[hexed forge]

No!!

[fast forge]

yeah but we basically know there's gonna be a port there eventually, so keeping it deep even with the "rough draft" makes sense

[hexed forge]

Why miles, why not km

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/american-flag-usa-usa-flag-america-united-states-gif-17700113

[hexed forge]

Do we know that though? It was never confirmed.

[acoustic osprey]

we know Don pointed to that area on a stream about it, iirc

i think that's the area Tiny is pointing out

[hexed forge]

Correct

[fast forge]

it has one in the concept map, Don pointed it out, there's an underground base nearby...

[hexed forge]

Wait can someone post the concept map again

[lethal moat]

DAMMIT

[fast forge]

hah

[hexed forge]

Danke

[hexed forge]

That is no port

[fast forge]

huh yeah...

[hexed forge]

So we can't be 100% sure about it being a port.

Likely is, but never be too sure.

[fast forge]

lol I'm never 100% on anything here

[lethal moat]

That's also not a good judge of where things will be

[fast forge]

I disagree, I think it's pretty accurate to what we've seen, and the hints in the current map

[lethal moat]

We are missing 2 domes

And a massive beach portion

[hexed forge]

And a nesting ground

[fast forge]

yeah but most of the small locations are accurate

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[lethal moat]

We can use it to guesstimate, but we shouldn't look to it as a guide

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/ce4220d467cb6bc56fd11e883599044c
i'm still hoping this still exists

next to East Dome on the bay

both the "trumpet TSL"
and Don referring to things happening on that area for ST

a year ago now

but still
I liked that place

[hexed forge]

I think it's possible for a port to be on each side of the island perhaps

On on the NE side, one on the west side, and one in the south.

[lethal moat]

I am curious to see exactly how much gateway will change from what we see now and what it will be when it’s done

[fast forge]

I think we'll see a lot/most of the little ports in that map, sea shipping would be a very easy and reliable method of transport

[lethal moat]

Monorail and ocean are probably the easiest bets

[hexed forge]

If that's a small airstrip, on the bottom left side, it won't make sense at all on current gateway as there is a giant mountain preventing good takeoffs/landings from both sides. Unless they only use 1 side.

[lethal moat]

Airstrip would be great

[fast forge]

I don't know if there is even a mountain there in that concept art

That whole map seems a fair bit more flat than the current iteration

[lethal moat]

Helipads are already cool, would love an area devoted to servicing said helicopters

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[lethal moat]

More logistical lore

[hexed forge]

The entire west part looks like a giant beach, and I understand why they didn't go with that since.. it would be a bit weird..

[hexed forge]

Heavy lifting helicopters 🗣️

[lethal moat]

CH-47 my beloved

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-dance-crew-going-crazy-crazy-dance-gif-26405406

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-shock-gif-25181705

You could totally fit a raptor cage in there

[fast forge]

it would have been too much

[hexed forge]

Can't they just hook up crates and be able to lift them? Or was that fictional crap

[lethal moat]

You can hook things to the bottom

[hexed forge]

Yeahh

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
We know Rex's were transported on helis

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah, so it's possible that it was one of the main ways of transporting assets in short distances.

[lethal moat]

They can carry a solid bit of weight

[lethal moat]

Short distance being 200 miles, yes

[hexed forge]

Damn

I mean, we never knew how far apart AE's islands are!!

They could have islands and facilities all the way up in the arctic

[hexed forge]

48k pounds is 24 tons right?

[lethal moat]

They could have facilities everywhere

[fast forge]

anywhere you could buy land, in theory

[lethal moat]

Yep

[hexed forge]

Alright, so basically they could lift every single AE asset that we know of except colossus. No idea how much that thing weighs.

Oh wait is brachi over 24 tons

[lethal moat]

I'd say most things short of hypers, which wouldn't be able to be transported anyways

[hexed forge]

Oh right, I forgot hypers exist.

[lethal moat]

And sauropods

[hexed forge]

Mhm

[lethal moat]

How much can the monorail take?

[hexed forge]

Google says up to 10 tons

[lethal moat]

I don't think AE's monorail is a standard monorail

[hexed forge]

20 tons seems more likely then

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

We don't even have the monorail track, the only judge we have is the size of potential tunnels

[hexed forge]

From the videos that I saw, a hyper rex certainly is way bigger than the monorail track itself.

But the monorail train itself might have an extension thingy

[lethal moat]

In Lightclaw's video, I think Vis says something, let me check rq

[lethal moat]

That's what I think

https://youtu.be/jD0j2jh7-JE?t=585 Check timestamp that it's at

[hexed forge]

Ah, so yeah, likely could transport many things.

[lethal moat]

That big roughly for train tunnels

[hexed forge]

But anyways, I have to go sleep now. Adios

[lethal moat]

Peace out

[acoustic osprey]

ciao

[lethal moat]

Isaac quick, trains

[acoustic osprey]

choo choo

[lethal moat]

I don't think a train that large would move very quickly, so if it's derailed, it was probably knocked over, not fell over

[acoustic osprey]

if there's any sign of a monorail falling
sure

but we have to remember
monorails are different to trains in how they attach to their tracks

[lethal moat]

True

I just want it as an obstacle, potentially blocking a tunnel

[acoustic osprey]

it could definitely happen

i don't see it being an in-game thing though
unless it's a purposely placed monorail (by the devs) that obstructs a tunnel

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-sadeyes-cat-please-gif-9564732514830781367

[ripe flower]

lift brachi while an egg/ baby then it'd be way easier

[cyan herald]

Do any of you have allt the symbols for the hypos?

Its like the ones I have a in my profile picture

[lethal moat]

You just made me think if an interesting question: Do dinosaurs grown in the cloning vat things grow eggshells?

[fast forge]

The mother forms the eggshell, not the embryo. So really it depends whether they use surrogates

[lethal moat]

Pros and cons to that

[hexed forge]

Why not both

Oh wait no, I misread

[lethal moat]

Consistency seems like it would be easier

[fast forge]

Depending on their procedures and specifics, they could do one method or the other, or some combination of the two. We just don't know enough about the "cloning" process to say for sure

[lethal moat]

Imagine giving birth to a hyper baby

[fast forge]

Ehhh, the condition probably progresses post-parturition like many endocrine disorders

[lethal moat]

Potentially even entirely developed after the fact, possibly from virus delivery or whatever it’s called

[fast forge]

virus delivery?

Do you mean like, gene splicing using viruses?

[lethal moat]

Kind of? I remember reading about the potential of using genetically engineered viruses as delivery systems for vaccines and as a potential treatment for cancer, which is where I got the idea from

Might be more along the nanotechnology route

[fast forge]

yeah that works because the function of viruses is to insert DNA (or RNA) into a living cell

And the funny thing about nanotech is that a lot of it just uses the natural biomachinery found in organisms (proteins, viruses, etc)

[fast forge]

I believe this technique is called "gene editing" and uses a specific class of viruses known as retroviruses

Thinking about it, retroviral transduction might be the only method that can insert changes into the DNA of fully-grown animals

And yeah, it's totally possible AE uses this method to create strains

[frosty jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[lethal moat]

Thank god you know more about it than I do lol

[fast forge]

it's just fancy words for "virus puts DNA in"

[frosty jay]

Oooh

[fast forge]

also I had to look up "transduction" just to be sure it was the right word

[lethal moat]

Yeah

Modern advancements technology slowly getting to be sci-fi material

What if Apollo Pharmaceuticals North had a heavy hand in making the robo quetz, to test out prosthetic equivalents of real products

[valid geyser]

robo quetz..

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

Do you just spawn in whenever someone says quetz? Lol

[valid geyser]

I’m not gonna lie, I always seem to by complete accident

I just so happened to click onto here as you sent the message

[hexed forge]

Quetz

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/universe-gif-9616301

[valid geyser]

Quetz!

[hexed forge]

No Quetz

[valid geyser]

aw..

[hexed forge]

I hope we get the loredrop this week

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-its-gonna-be-big-nudge-gif-14375360

[hexed forge]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

#isle-discussion message

[fast forge]

when I was a kid people still used phone booths, and things like cloning, AI, drones, and electric cars were still largely fiction. The world moves fast, faster than you'd think

[lethal moat]

I’m still youngin, space warfare is probably coming along soonish

[fast forge]

The world was HUGELY different a hundred years ago, and a hundred years is within a possible human lifetime

[hexed forge]

Its a big thing but I doubt its big enough to feed us for atleast a month.

[lethal moat]

You never know

We still manage to dredge up Errant 291 every now and again

[valid geyser]

Dunno..
There’s at least one question that still gets all the lore people thinking

[fast forge]

wow it's been almost two weeks since he said this? Hope we get it soon

[lethal moat]

Where robo quetz

[hexed forge]

Dont you dare ask it

[valid geyser]

GUH
WUH
BUH

[valid geyser]

Why..
d….
dibble

[fast forge]

a single small detail could easily make us rethink everything

[hexed forge]

WOAH

How Dibble

Where Dibble

What Dibble

How many Dibbles

How were the Dibbles

What caused the Dibbles

on and on and onn

[valid geyser]

Okay but why dinosaurs

[hexed forge]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-stop-dont-end-cat-gif-9678179

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184681758231363636/1225272342578728961/IMG_9059.png?ex=66719b0a&is=6670498a&hm=35a9b993d8663ee69707779677b81bd766bc2ec83dfd005b1af77583ce574820&

[fast forge]

1. Replicator
2. Gateway, and probably another island
3. Diabloceratops, or something superficially similar
4. 11
5. Boat at Injection Site
6. AE

[hexed forge]

Me and Rumple had a talk about the replicator and how dinos were made

Replication and actually creating the dinosaurs might be different.

@lethal moat Am I correct? Or did I forget the main part..

[lethal moat]

I’m saying we don’t know anything, and that replication could apply to EIPs, physical bodies, neither, or both

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

I'm thinking anything engineering would be under AE
where AE would be commissioned by other subsidiaries, like APN, to test out anything under rnd

but with Drone Quetz?
I don't think pharmaceuticals would sell prosthetics?

[fast forge]

agreed

[acoustic osprey]

or when applicable for whatever case

looking at AUGUSTUS
we knew Augustus had both replications made and natural off-spring

the term replication would almost likely be in reference to being replicated via The Replicator

[hexed forge]

Medicine and... perhaps plants? And other medical equipment I suppose.

[acoustic osprey]

now
the thing is

When we think about Replications as a whole
we also have to ask: "Was it just The Replicator? Or was it under AE?" (not for AUGUSTUS, that was 100% AE. More so anything afterwards or before - when applicable)

[acoustic osprey]

medicinal properties

but if Apollo have no other aspect of selling "healing/health-related aspects" such as prosthetics
I imagine they would sell anything under that "area"

presumably under a prosthetist and/or orthotist department

[lethal moat]

Drone quetz could be so many things lol, it’s hard to narrow down exactly what it’s purpose for creation is, especially since we don’t know what it does

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[hexed forge]

My guess is that its some sort of surveillance equipment

[lethal moat]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say it's likely twofold

[hexed forge]

twofold?

[lethal moat]

You can make something and use it in a way that isn’t why it’s made

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

on one hand
it allows "natural" surveillance on "X" islands

but also use the research of such (literally cyborg creature) for many other applications

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[fast forge]

So an animal-powered drone is actually a great idea, especially because flying is hard and animals are really good at it. No need to have a sophisticated program if you can just hook it up to a bird's brain

The biggest hurdle would be cost, but since we have no idea whether replication is cheap or expensive, we can't go too much further

[hexed forge]

Basically another form of EIPs?

[fast forge]

I just meant like, the basic motor skills part of the quetz' brain

EIP's could have everything to do with it, or nothing, I have no idea

[lethal moat]

Well you might not even need EIPs, if AE has knowledge enough of the brain to copy someone onto a machine, they surely know enough to connect cybernetics to the correct area

[fast forge]

or just lobotomize a quetz and install a remote control

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/theworldmayneverknow-idk-goodquestion-gif-5415227

[acoustic osprey]

i swear i'm going insane

i can't find a bunch of messages I sent from half a year ago

did i dream these now

i have no idea what has happened

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cicak-goyang-gif-25298070

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-dancing-nessie-cute-kawaii-gif-8245402692378507513

[iron anchor]

deleted or repurposed channels?

[acoustic osprey]

it was sent here
I know of it

only reference I can see of it is a partial mention of it from me

[iron anchor]

you sent 20k messages in this chat so it'll probably be hard to find, and looking for a specific word using discord search is kinda unreliable

i usually have moments like that and it turns out i sent it in a whole other server

[acoustic osprey]

it's always been reliable though

i'm assuming it's due to this new Discord UI update

[pseudo fable]

The body rejects.

[fast forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[acoustic osprey]

i'm just going to go through my hundreds of screenshots

i know i have it somewhere
what I need

i just don't remember being this long ago

i probably don't need it, but I want to add it to my script so I'm not trying to find it when I'm editing my video

[iron anchor]

well time has been going faster than usual for a while

if you think it was half a year ago it must actually be 10 years ago

[fast forge]

that's just called 'getting older'

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1251510938968920074/TheIsleClient-Win64-Shipping_22IkDOoYaF.gif

no, it's the recent the isle bug
which has been speeding up real time and space along with it

[fast forge]

I knew The Isle and reality were connected in some way

[acoustic osprey]

the real lore was that we all thought it was "just lore"

[fast forge]

my therapist was wrong

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-j-jonah-jameson-jk-simmons-spider-man-no-way-home-gotcha-gif-25022874

[pseudo fable]

If it makes you feel any better, I have to compile everything into some digestable wikipedia-esque stuff for future creators and it is pain.

[acoustic osprey]

i honestly think it's my computer
it's been on for 3 days and not showing icons now

[hexed forge]

Why did you leave it on for 3 days 🗿

[pseudo fable]

Open task manager and just restart explorer.exe

[acoustic osprey]

oh yikes
we tried doing this with Obsidian

and with what we know
I can only imagine the pain of comping everything.

[acoustic osprey]

i'll give it a shot, thanks!

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[acoustic osprey]

SoT had stuff on
I also have been paid for more short film stuff. So my PC has been hauled a lot the past 3 days with "X, Y and Z"

[hexed forge]

Ah oof, that PC needs a break

[pseudo fable]

I also use Obsidian.

My problem is that sometimes a tab gets used for random spur of the moment idea that slowly gets fleshed out there. And then a dedicated page elsewhere and I'm trash at organizing it so I forget to reference the original pages.

For instance, there's a lot of Gen 1 stuff on a page that's dedicated to the feedback of the File Recovery video for the diabloceratops.

[hexed forge]

Feedback? Community feedback or some sort of internal feedback?

[pseudo fable]

My notes.

I have about 15 pages of information here.

[acoustic osprey]

ahh
that sounds fun
especially if it piles up and the sorts

I can only imagine the built up mess that could happen

[pseudo fable]

Three pages of it is the notes for diabloceratops video.

Twelve pages of it is...

Let me scroll down.

[hexed forge]

Thats a lot of notes jesus christ

[lethal moat]

The lore doc has like 6 pages worth of the most basic stuff, I would imagine the actual thing takes up much more space

[acoustic osprey]

true
pretty much just simple bullet points

[lethal moat]

Would that be why it’s so stiff? They basically just turned it full robot rather than lose another quetz to short circuits or whatever?

[hexed forge]

Fun fact:

I actually havent read the entire lore document, most of the complicated stuff I just learned it from you guys.

No idea if it wouldve been easier to read it or to attempt to understand you guys

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cooper-howard-fallout-thumbs-up-fallout-tv-vault-tec-gif-6009891785160118102

[lethal moat]

We can give details and sources that the lore doc doesn’t have

[acoustic osprey]

it's probably easier explaining "X" thing if you ask about it
rather than reading the doc

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-snow-interview-microphone-mic-gif-25816123

[acoustic osprey]

due to the doc being pretty 'simple'

[lethal moat]

We should make a “deep dive” lore doc that has sources pinned

[fast forge]

the lore doc frequently references things without much explanation, so I was lost on a lot of little things for a while

[acoustic osprey]

we could probably use images as well for things

[hexed forge]

Thats about to be like 50 pages and Im all for it

[acoustic osprey]

just use my loreberg script 😎

[hexed forge]

4 hour YT video

[acoustic osprey]

i need to finish my dibble one first (which is at roughly 20 mins of yapping)
but I want to get in lots of reading and loreberg script when I'm at Thailand

[hexed forge]

The F5 section is about to be either the longest... or shortest part of the analysis..

[acoustic osprey]

I ramble about theories for it
knowing they're likely all wrong

i'm no MatPat
but I basically relay everything/most of everything we discussed over the past few months

[lethal moat]

Having sources linked will be handy for times like I was having a conversation with a dude that says it’s not lore if it’s not in game

[acoustic osprey]

they are silly billies to believe that

lore is lore!!
if it was in-game

it'd just be textural worldbuilding lore

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/VKgi.gif

[hexed forge]

Someone in the Petits Pieds discord server always says that when I start talking about lore in there, it gets annoying sometimes so I TRY

try

To ignore them

[hexed forge]

You typed for about 15 minutes only to post this gif

[pseudo fable]

@acoustic osprey My "Diabloceratops Video" page is as follows, in terms of content:

• Diabloceratops notes.
• Diabloceratops notes v2.
• Diabloceratops notes v3.
• Storyboard for new scenes.
• Internal lore information that needed to be documented for the rest of the team so they know what phrases mean that show up in game
• Unused written observation slides
• Unused written evaluation slides
• Notes for the new intro "PROPERTY OF APOLLO ENGINEERING"
• Unused slide written for post-mortem report of various diabloceratops
• Unreleased info on the current Gen1, including various test names
• Gen1 Origin information, physical notes, and various acceptable mutations in lore
• Draft sheet of a Gen1 autopsy
• Random team meeting notes; lacks a date
• Task list for myself for an evening
• Diabloceratops notes v4.
• Random self-deprecation about not using the goalpost board enough
• A few misc. dates chosen for what you all assume to be "the incident"
• Documentation about some UDS error (day/night cycle) I was tracking down
• Design meeting notes
• Notes about the gas pump and keycard usage around the island
• Some written notes about nutrient intake and inversing how we handle giving players buffs
• Notes about invasive migrations
• Scent notes
• Camera system notes
• More scent notes
• I actually have the entire scent documentation in here this explains a lot
• Crush mechanic finalization notes
• The formulas we use to calculate food for animals
• Patrol zone notes
• Base sparring notes
• Diabloceratops sparring notes
• Diabloceratops sparring notes v2
• Random diabloceratops design riffs all thrown together
• Stego power swing notes
• Diabloceratops horde testing notes
• Diabloceratops sparring notes v3

[hexed forge]

JESUS WHAT THE F NEVERMIND

That was a quick reality check for me

[pseudo fable]

It helps when I get to finish talking.

[lethal moat]

Diablo has a lot going for it

[pseudo fable]

No. It's just the diablo's dedicated page.

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm
I can see really see the mishmash with other stuff

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat

I assume thats tied to humans/gen2

[fast forge]

I just figured sweep team stuff

[acoustic osprey]

but that's pretty interesting though regardless
cool to see some internal stuff like that

[fast forge]

yes ty for the insight

[hexed forge]

Mhm, thanks.

[lethal moat]

I think that’s migration stuff actually

[hexed forge]

Why would asset migration paths be noted down as "Patrol zones"

[acoustic osprey]

Unreleased info on the current Gen1, including various test names
Gen1 Origin information, physical notes, and various acceptable mutations in lore
Draft sheet of a Gen1 autopsy

If only Stan was here

[acoustic osprey]

Gen1 autopsy sounds interesting though!

[hexed forge]

Ohh, yeah probably migrations then.

[acoustic osprey]

ah, i remember this

[pseudo fable]

Was he purged?

[acoustic osprey]

i think he flew away somewhere into eternity on discord.
can't find him. Albeit, I know I could message some people who could probably get me in contact with him again, if I wanted to.

Probably will when/once Gen1s finally get around to being properly shown

[hexed forge]

Wonder what this could mean,

Species that arent meant to be in an X area migrating to that X area?

[acoustic osprey]

it sounds nice though
MZs do feel a bit weird at the moment. Making them more dynamic sounds great

[acoustic osprey]

likely another dynamical aspect of future MZs

presumably two "similar" herbs getting the MZs of sorts

therefore having to fight/invade for food

[hexed forge]

Diabloceratops and triceratops perhaps

[sharp agate]

i talk to him on instagram, he has some hangups and is working on life stuff, he's doing good though

[acoustic osprey]

dibbles would just die
i wouldn't suspect they'd place inferior and superior dino to invade a MZ?

depends on how the mechanic runs

[hexed forge]

But either way, these migration notes seem to indicate a lot of fun things upcoming for migrations

[pseudo fable]

I just inquired to see if he broke a rule.

[lethal moat]

More gen 1 stuff is always nice, and autopsy things have me intrigued

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rules-saw-zepp-hello-zepp-mine-gif-6302416810585474995

[hexed forge]

But the species is invasive, doesnt have to be a fair matchup. It throws off the ecosystem balance.

[pseudo fable]

Don't get excited about names you haven't seen before. There's a sea of dead ideas with names you've never heard.

[hexed forge]

And perhaps to see how x species adapts to the superior y species being introduced to the ecosystem.

[acoustic osprey]

mmmmm
hopefully he wasn't. But, who knows.
cause I can't certainly remember

[pseudo fable]

Dissecting the shorthand of my shorthand will only end in sadness.

[hexed forge]

[sharp agate]

i think last he was in here he was removed yes

[acoustic osprey]

aye
He deleted his account, right?

[sharp agate]

idk

[acoustic osprey]

think so
albeit, can't check. Not in 'his' server anymore

[acoustic osprey]

don't worry Cera

[hexed forge]

But the invasive migrations seem like a nice idea.. if that idea hasnt been scrapped

[acoustic osprey]

alas

[hexed forge]

Even if it is only in lore and not ingame, still nice to have.

AE performing experiments between x species and y species.

[acoustic osprey]

I guess that's basically similar to what we saw with injections for Dibbles

we know they weren't sent to a perfectly 100% safe environment
looking at the omni attack

[fast forge]

also the rex at the end, the dilo calls, the troodon

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
Putting a completely unique species/creature into an environment would be more invasive

[lethal moat]

I’ll look over this conversation when I’m not at work

[acoustic osprey]

ciao

[hexed forge]

Cya rumple

[fast forge]

So invasive species aren't the same as non-native species

An invasive is specifically a species that crowds out or inhibits native species

[hexed forge]

Disrupts the ecosystem too

[acoustic osprey]

theoritically
Dibble could be either or

albeit
Gateway's environment would be still pretty controlled by AE

[hexed forge]

Dibble was just a weird snack to the carnivores at this point

[fast forge]

Not necessarily, sometimes they just replace a pre-existing member of an ecosystem (or multiple members, leading to lower ecological diversity)

[acoustic osprey]

and they had prior injections with Dibble

but still:

... environment would be more invasive

[fast forge]

So like an invasive plant in my area is english ivy - it spreads out across the forest floor, covering other ground plants, in addition to climbing trees and choking out sunlight at the top of the tree

[hexed forge]

Yes so it could disrupt the natural flow that was prior to the injection, and create a new flow.

Disrupting an ecosystem doesnt mean that the entire system gets ruined and nothing can live

[fast forge]

Correct, my point is only that sometimes the ecosystem takes the new piece and kinda just works the same as before

[acoustic osprey]

but I imagine previous Fs of Dibble would've likely been injected prior as well

I don't think we're sure if
the Injection number correlates to the phenotype or for F36

[fast forge]

?

[acoustic osprey]

dibble video was injection 2

is it
Injection Two of all Dibbles onto Gateway
or just for those under the F36 genome

[fast forge]

🤷‍♀️

[hexed forge]

Only one other prior generation was injected

[acoustic osprey]

that's the question

[acoustic osprey]

is it
Injection Two of all Dibbles onto Gateway
or just for those under the F36 genome

[fast forge]

no F36 would be the generation number - this is the 36th generation of dibbles with this phenotype (whatever that is)

[hexed forge]

Hmm, I would say only a generation.

[acoustic osprey]

I MEAN'T GNEERATION

[fast forge]

as far as prior injections, who can say

well, we know one person

But yeah, I don't think we can conjecture much about previous injections

[hexed forge]

Filipe!!!

I wonder how much lore does Filipe know

Is it just a little bit more than us or same level as us, or etc

[fast forge]

I have no idea how much he might know, I don't know much about him

[hexed forge]

Gneeration

[lethal moat]

The new PROPERTY OF APOLLO ENGINEERING, into sounds interesting

[fast forge]

Probably not much info, but it's fun

[acoustic osprey]

i presume that meant the dibble injection video background screen

[hexed forge]

Also another question about the injection would be

Is it the second Injection to gateway only

Or is it the second injection in the entirity of all AE facilities

[fast forge]

🤷‍♀️

[hexed forge]

Like does it apply to only gateway or all facilities

So like the first injection mightve been on another island, and not gateway

[fast forge]

I find it interesting that there were 35 prior generations of diablo - how fast do they reproduce? Similar-sized mammals (hippos, rhinos, elephants) can only have offspring once every other year or so, but I don't think AE has been breeding these things for 70 years

[acoustic osprey]

just notes:
AE Injection # 002
INJECTION SITE @ Q10

[lethal moat]

“The body rejects” is an issue that can’t really be overcome unless you replace the body with the machine, therefore making it not a body, offering what could be called death, but I’d call supplanting the weaker being

[lethal moat]

@woeful oasis This conversation is right up your alley, thoughts?

[fast forge]

I'm fairly certain similar-sized dinosaurs would probably have bred faster than large modern mammals, but not too much faster

[hexed forge]

Who said they were breeding them

[fast forge]

Because that's what F36 means in genetics shorthand

[woeful oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40-warhameer-omnisia-omnissia-mechanicus-gif-11551231392329206260

[hexed forge]

Yes but I dont think they were bred, I think it was something else.

[lethal moat]

Natural breeding and artificial breeding can still be represented by generations (iterations) of the being

[lethal moat]

Want to hop into robo quetz and take it for a spin?

[hexed forge]

Artificial breeding seems more likely than natural breeding(If I am understanding the terms correctly)

[woeful oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-giga-chad-chad-gif-23788137

[fast forge]

Sure, but you still are waiting for the entire growth cycle of gametes > baby > juvie > adult > gametes, which isn't that fast for a dibble

[meager junco]

You think AE would do Inseminations even tho they can prob just create a Dino? Curiosity

[hexed forge]

Growth acceleration perhaps?

[fast forge]

The fact that we got filial generation counts in the diabloceratops injection video would suggest that they do

[lethal moat]

They allow the dinosaurs to naturally reproduce, so there’s either some incentive or it’s just convenient to keep population up

[fast forge]

Maybe. Perhaps the growth measured in hours in-game actually has a lore explanation?

[meager junco]

It’s what I was thinking but didn’t wanna really say something outlandish at least till you smart ones said it lolol

[hexed forge]

Oh no, I dont think the ingame growth has anything to do with the- wait a second-

Ima go test something really quickly

[fast forge]

Inseminations are a common thing in breeding livestock, I don't doubt the same practices would be carried over into dinosaur care

[meager junco]

I like the idea of just general dinosaur care, tranquilizing them, monitoring them, breeding them, it shows that they aren’t just lab rats , gigantic scaly lab rats

[fast forge]

actually you have to do this with lab animals too - that's my day job

[hexed forge]

If you are saying that the lore-growth is the same as the ingame growth

Its not, just tested it.

[fast forge]

I dunno man

[meager junco]

Working with animals must be great, I wish I was in something similar

[hexed forge]

So the ingame growth is probably just adjusted for the gameplay

[hexed forge]

Wrong reply

[meager junco]

Oops

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

I just go back to the shadows

[hexed forge]

YOU ARE THE SHADOW!

[spiral elbow]

🤝 yeah. Although didn't I see somewhere that AE did like, vivisections on some of its genetic dinosaur experimeents?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[fast forge]

I did it by accruing debt in exchange for knowledge, and even then I worked retail for 8 years after college

[spiral elbow]

I know little of the lore

[hexed forge]

I wasnt making a reference to the shadow dino- It was a reference to his name

[lethal moat]

That was just a discussion, we haven’t seen anything on it yet

[hexed forge]

Read the document

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184681758231363636/1202852028393590794/Lore_Pathway.gif

[fast forge]

They may have, as necessary. Vivisection is typically carried out when the information cannot be found in another manner, and in most cases there are usually much better ways that scientists can learn these things. It's much more ethical to just euthanize an animal and dissect it post-mortem than perform a vivisection

[meager junco]

I was gonna say isn’t taps art a vivisection, but that thing probably dead seeing the organs are out of the chest cavity

[lethal moat]

Nah, the description says it was already dead, and I don’t think it was canon

[hexed forge]

What if Neuros dont need their organs to live, they just need that Neuro goo

[spiral elbow]

yup used to work with lab rodents. I like to entertain the thought AE at least tried to take good care of their animals

[fast forge]

That does happen in vivisection, actually

[hexed forge]

Kind of like Ghidorah

[meager junco]

I hate how I like that lol just needs a brain

[hexed forge]

Everysingle cell needs to be killed to consider it as dead.

[meager junco]

To that extreme? Damn

[hexed forge]

Or would that be more of a tisso thing? Insane regeneration.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[fast forge]

IRL there are two measures of death, brain death and cell death.
In "higher" organisms, brain death occurs much earlier than cell death

[meager junco]

I feel like tisso is something you slice it’s head off, and it slowly latches back on

[hexed forge]

Why does discord not have the Ghidorah regenerating head gif... it wasnt even a lot of gore

[hexed forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql5_WQ046es

[lethal moat]

Breaks over, have a good one guys

[hexed forge]

Cya

[fast forge]

I don't want to go into too much detail, but suffice to say that when an animal is under heavy anesthesia and will be euthanized immediately after the surgery, there isn't much that you can't do (within reason)

[hexed forge]

If tisso has regeneration like this.. I would be basically in love with that strain.

[meager junco]

Jfc, he looks like stage 5 matriarchs head when he’s reforming

That’s actually sick

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-king-ghidorah-smirk-smirking-smile-gif-21828756

[meager junco]

Yeh that’s understandable

[meager junco]

Best photo I could get of it

Like that’s actually creepy good

[fast forge]

You can see the skull start to reform

[hexed forge]

The tongue.... oh its beautiful..

[fast forge]

And at one point the skull ends in three points - I'm assuming the mandibles eventually fuse together

[hexed forge]

Regeneration like this for tissos

[meager junco]

Probably, that’s why at first I thought of stage 5 matriarchs head, especially like the one pest made for the server

[hexed forge]

Oh yeahh

[meager junco]

Pest really is talented

Just realized

That’s the pg+13 one

[lethal moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168561242449911818/1237464317658660884/IMG_3655.png?ex=6671cb74&is=667079f4&hm=8abba8f0cb6f630122016a7f735a7f5411fa09c1a76187b7b016c8e77e11ab72&

[meager junco]

There , I forgot it said “f them kids”

[hexed forge]

The parental advisory warning doesnt help

[meager junco]

Hey at least I barred out the swear

[lethal moat]

It’s very on-brand as the lore server’s pfp

[deft maple]

i would be excited if they added a type of food or a weird substance people owned that could make dinosaurs turn into mutated versions of themselves, type h dinosaurs are made through mutation points, but people have labs that makes them mutate horrifically

[lethal moat]

What you’re talking about are strains, we don’t know how they’re made, but type H is a strain, same as type N and type T, that picture is of a type N spino

Here’s an unofficial piece of art by Tapwing of a sort of lab environment

[deft maple]

Neurotenic and Hyperendocrin, but they teased about Hyperendocrin dinosaurs being playable through mutation points when you die from old age enough times i believe

[lethal moat]

We aren’t sure for certain, what you’re referring to on the old roadmap is probably in reference to elder system, which involves old age and death and what not

Hyper redesign rahhhh

[deft maple]

if these are planned for the future in some way, how do you think it would be playable? all i remember is a tease about the elder system having something to do with it

[lethal moat]

I’m a big fan of progression, and I think there should be different things for different strains, so maybe different actions while eldering specific dinosaurs and maybe while playing as humans in order to get the opportunity to turn an apex into a strain

Tiny and I discussed the potential science behind it a little bit ago

[deft maple]

funny you say being a human helps with getting a strain, because the Quetzalcoatlus art for the isle had humans making it into a controlled android

[lethal moat]

We talked about that earlier as well, don’t think it’s related to strains though, at least not directly

#isle-lore-theories message

[deft maple]

it's suspicious how they only showed this species being tweaked with, if they can do this, im sure they can use genetics to make some sort of super beast

[lethal moat]

They can

[deft maple]

cuz they just took his corpse and made a remote toy out of him lol

[lethal moat]

Who says it’s a corpse?

Could still be alive in there

[deft maple]

theres what looks to be an engine seen in his head, i doubt it, but its possible

[lethal moat]

Looks like a camera to me

[deft maple]

theres an antenna sticking out the back of the head though >_>

[lethal moat]

We do that to people in real life already, and they clearly are more advanced in that technology

You totally could be right, could be a corpse, but I’d say it’s almost as likely to still be somewhat alive

[deft maple]

those people where conscious, if that thing was still conscious, it was have a belly full of apes-

just doesnt feel right if it was alive, unless they somehow kept it alive without a brain

[lethal moat]

Moral grey areas are sort of AE’s thing

[deft maple]

just an unconscious remote controlled mega bird, id smash it into the nearest sauropod

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/roger-scott-wealthpress-stocks-roger-scott-wealthpress-wealthpress-roger-scott-gif-23073645

[deft maple]

screwing up huge prices and a life changing project is worth it to see a huge bird sticking out of a huge noodle neck

[lethal moat]

I disagree, but I’m not your Dad, live life to the fullest

[deft maple]

using a pterosaur for flying spears isn't a bad idea

[lethal moat]

Use bullets

[deft maple]

my idea is just funny though (insert Ride of the Valkries music)

[acoustic osprey]

that was through Strains

as being an "optional" aspect through an unknown path

[strange shell]

Putting a cam on a still-living quetz has more uses than on a dead ones
The quetz can fly, escape danger without assistance or monitoring
And if you've put enough chips in its brain you can still assume remote control whenever you need to

[fast forge]

Well, it may not be a perfect system...
#isle-lore-theories message

[strange shell]

There's workarounds

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-david-martinez-cyberpunk-edgerunners-hahaha-evil-laugh-gif-26915114

[lethal moat]

That is a lot of drugs

[strange shell]

That is the right amount of drugs

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[fast forge]

it was more tech than drugs, but yeah

[strange shell]

It was absolutely drugs

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-cyber-psycho-edge-runner-eyes-gif-26782650

[fast forge]

idk I only watched edgerunners the one time

[lethal moat]

The fact that he never went cyberpsycho still shocks me

[lethal moat]

Or rather, completely cyberpsycho

Maybe something like that is what Dondi meant when he said the body rejects

Or it just keels over and gets sick

[strange shell]

He's just built different

Fun fact the main character in the Cyberpunk 2077 game has like 10x the resistance of David to implants and is a way better netrunner than any of the series'
Thought the MC's resistance to implant has been reduced with the DLC

[lethal moat]

Netrunners are neat

[fast forge]

I imagine it's like organ/tissue rejection, but perhaps a bit more psychological

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[fast forge]

Well if they are making a drone quetz, I imagine they want to keep some of the base instincts, particularly flight instincts.

But then if you are piloting the drone quetz and send it toward a negative stimulus ("go get a close-up of that rex") the base instincts of the quetz might rebel

[lethal moat]

“Hold still while we strap a nuclear reactor to your chest”

[vast vector]

sorry if this has already been asked, but have we thought anything of what kind of equipment AE employees could've had, if they risked having direct contact with the dinosaurs?

...I mean, I'm already assuming guns of some kind, but anything defensive in case the asset is important for whatever reason? Would shields be an option, or would that take away necessary mobility?

[frosty jay]

how much would a handheld shield realistically do against something big enough for you to do a walk in tour of its mouth, I imagine sedatives/nets would be the go to for assets they'd like not to bury

[vast vector]

I thought of something "smaller" (...not that a shield would do much against that either way). It would be more difficult to hold a cera back though lol

How long would the sedatives take to kick in though? If a group gets surprise attacked by something, would a sedative work in time? Nets sound good, tho

...but maybe AE has developed some super-sedative, considering they've messed with all kinds of stuff this far. What do I know

[meager junco]

Iirc, sedating animals is much trickier and riskier than it seems, for example, I think trying to sedate an elephant is extremely dangerous for the animal since they need such high dosages of tranquilizer

[vast vector]

yeah, I imagine they wouldn't use sedation as the first alternative simply because of that.

It would just be quicker and easier for them to use nets, instead of carefully measuring the correct dose of sedative and then having to monitor the vitals

or just scaring it away somehow

[meager junco]

Tbf, they could have some sort of special sedative that’s made just for Dino’s just because it’s a video game world

Being realistic doesn’t have to always be the way

[vast vector]

yeah that's kinda what I meant by this -- AE literally brought back "dinosaurs", what can't they do at this point lol

[meager junco]

Mhm, a mix of both sci fi fantasy and reality is a good way of looking at it

[strange shell]

tasers

[vast vector]

yeah tasers would work if they didn't care about possibly injuries (depending on volts, of course)

AE seems to be a little shady so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't care when it comes to assets that aren't important

[meager junco]

I’d say they probably try to do the least contact possible to the animals at least talking about pre incidents on the island(s) but afterwards, depending on the goal if it’s truly to retake the islands, then they’ll probably do any means necessary

That’s my opinion at least

[vast vector]

absolutely, I just think that if an attack actually happened, they would prioritize saving the employees rather than the dinosaur if it's not seen as important for... whatever reason

but I also think that all of that depends on the clearance level of said employees and the importance of the dinosaur...

[meager junco]

Yeh especially when it comes to some of the more special creatures, I bet they come before any employee does

[brazen cradle]

Do we have any idea what the measurements of the perimeter are?

[vast vector]

they discussed it here yesterday I think, hold on

#isle-lore-theories message

I think that was the conclusion

[brazen cradle]

2km HAHAHA that's crazy

[meager junco]

The best way to truly get a good pov of how big it is, playing as Gen 2 and looking at them in first person

They do truly feel immense

[clear plume]

Hi there! I work at a zoo and our policy is if an animal that can be dangerous escapes (leopard, bear, wolf, etc), then they are shot dead

[hexed forge]

Damn

Maybe thats what the Hyper gun is, a gun that can kill Hypers

[meager junco]

That’s true , I bet that it depends like we were saying earlier, if one asset truly is worth millions, then it will probably come before human lives do

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-meme-really-gif-26853815

[spiral elbow]

good ol’ code red animals

[hexed forge]

Next up:

I think the shadow creature in the video is a therapod ngl

[clear plume]

It depends on if it's a public institution or not. That's the way most facilities determine their policies.

[meager junco]

Cera ima kill you

[hexed forge]

oh

[clear plume]

If you have guests on site then you need to have a quick way to dispose of any animal on the "code red" list

[meager junco]

I’m sure there’s always a sort of kill option method , like cera was saying, there’s a hyper gun in the universe

[clear plume]

Most definitely

[hexed forge]

Next up:

I think the hyper fences were made in order to contain Hypers

[clear plume]

An institution keeping animals would not keep an animal without having ways to defend from it if it escaped

[meager junco]

Pre incident I bet they would most likely try to avoid contact as most as possible, but afterwards, since they’re trying to take back the island, then almost any method will be applied

[meager junco]

Rump made a good point

If they truly were hyper fences

How come hypers broke out

[hexed forge]

Who said they were made by hypers

The broken fences

[meager junco]

That’s what he was saying

Honestly there’s only 2 things stronger than hypers imo, and one is a hyper and the other is still up in the air for design, collosus and matriarch

[vast vector]

I kinda thought that shooting the dinosaur would be avoided as much as possible, since (i assume) the EA employees that are actively on the island are trained for eventual security breaches. but if it got out of hand i can see them shooting it yeah

[hexed forge]

A bomb/explosive

[vast vector]

guests visiting a zoo aren't really trained to protect themselves in case an animal escapes, hopefully the EA employees are though

[meager junco]

I mean could be inside work, but honestly, I feel like letting hypers escape would be a bad plan for everyone

Even the saboteurs

[hexed forge]

mhm

[meager junco]

There’s still that small hole I’ve yet to uncover what made it

It’s like a sort of shot went through it

[hexed forge]

Something dilo sized

[vast vector]

...if they expected to make it out alive, then yeah

[hexed forge]

Could be a hyper gun, a form of the matriarch, anything really

[meager junco]

Unless tisso is legitimately fast as hell and can break through hard structures in an instant

[frosty jay]

or a tiny hyper rex/big hyper dilo

[meager junco]

I love the idea of small baby hypers but it’s not a very shared idea amongst the lore people

[hexed forge]

Would be weird to call a fence a Hyper fence if it cant contain a hyper.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-dont-agree-accept-it-but-gif-19918820

[meager junco]

Unless hypers turned out much stronger than even they expected

Which…is a possibility

Not at first glance, but through multiple trials and generations, they became stronger than the original hyper

[frosty jay]

you expect scientists to make things that work to contain freaks of nature? They made a whole movie franchise about that

[meager junco]

Good point

[hexed forge]

[frosty jay]

the alternative is that a neurotenic troodon got smart enough to figure out how to make c4, obviously

[meager junco]

Have you guys kinda pinned down what you think troodon is composed of or not yet

[frosty jay]

meat, probably

[meager junco]

[frosty jay]

[meager junco]

I mean it’s supposedly not actually troodon, it’s goes something like “what if we did this to animal X”

And that’s troodon

[hexed forge]

Cells, Tissues, Organs, and organ systems.

[meager junco]

At least the isle troodon

RAHHH

[hexed forge]

Something to do with radiation perhaps

Troodons were completely fine in an environment of where Humans needed to wear hazmat suits.

[meager junco]

I mean tbf, that art only had hazmat suits cause don didn’t want to mess with making faces

I doubt it’s actually lore relevant

[hexed forge]

Did he say that?

[meager junco]

Mhm

I have it somewhere

[hexed forge]

hhhmmmmmk

[meager junco]

Here

[hexed forge]

aw

[meager junco]

“Slam em in a hazmat suit so we only have to draw a human shape and not a face”

Didn’t mean to burst your bubble

[frosty jay]

No gamma ray hulk troodons 😔

[meager junco]

Could be who knows honestly

Only don does lol

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-n0-the-boys-starr-gif-25749194

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-kowalski-analysis-popcorn-penguin-penguins-gif-3180033000187374435

[fast forge]

Animal handlers in zoos heavily rely on simple training to coordinate animal movement. So even a big animal like a rex can probably be trained with a clicker or similar stimulus. In this way they would probably encourage an animal to move to a small adjacent pen, and then shut the gate behind them. Less stress for the animal (they get a treat!), and little/no danger for the trainer, as they are sitting above in a control booth or observation bubble.

Think of how ranchers corral dangerous bulls by herding them into special enclosures

[fast forge]

I misread this as "didn't mean to burst your dibble"

[meager junco]

Lol herding rexs

[meager junco]

I’m using that now

[vast vector]

this is great actually, imagine clicker training dinos

[fast forge]

For all we know EIP's may complicate this stuff, perhaps making it easier or more difficult

[meager junco]

That’s true, if EIP truly are human minds in Dino’s, then controlling dinosaurs probably isn’t as much of a task

[vast vector]

would this work in a potential stressful situation though? I would assume that the dino would be very stressed if it managed to break out on its own, but also if it was a result of human error

[meager junco]

But humans tend to be stubborn too lol

[vast vector]

like imagine a dino on the loose that's been raised in captivity, getting exposed to all kinds of new stuff. don't know if AE raised dinos in captivity though so I can't assume

I guess they had to in some way, at one point

[fast forge]

yeah in an escape situation they would probably have to resort to tranqs, especially with big animals

[pseudo fable]

?

https://tenor.com/bTttR.gif

[proper spear]

Tranqs will definetly not be enough. Noted

[lethal moat]

I do not believe you

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/oA6E.gif

[lethal moat]

Only good things can come of having the troodon assist in surgery

"Hand me that juvie teno"

[fast forge]

so no tranqs, huh?

[lethal moat]

Well

I think tranqs would have their use, just likely not as a primary defense, probably for field missions or checkups

Animal ~ Gen 1 ~ Human?

[hexed forge]

Hyper gun

https://tenor.com/view/happy-ayutha-pooja-arnold-schwarzenegger-heroes-gif-hollywood-gif-13768401820019360728

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-kitty-komaru-cat-explosion-cat-cat-explosion-gif-4940756872467221811

[hexed forge]

I assume feild missions/checkups

Like if an asset has some sort of unidentified disease they would send a team to tranq it and observe it.

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

So we going jp1 novel
Using rocket launchers on raptors

[pseudo fable]

#isle-lore-theories message

https://tenor.com/jf3M9LgOBnn.gif

[lethal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sij6XhXhlb0&pp=ygUUc2hvb3QgaW5kb21pbnVzIHJleCA%3D

[hexed forge]

Elaboration on "big"

How big exactly are we thinking?

Anything above cera size?

Or something like rex

[hexed forge]

(It survived the rocket)

[lethal moat]

Yep

Hyper allo be that way

[hexed forge]

It isnt in the clip but Im talking about the raptor

Not the I-rex

[hexed forge]

Soooo...........

[acoustic osprey]

Oh
Haha

[acoustic osprey]

Well

Interestingly enough

The graph is named Catch 22

I wonder if it's AEs own version
Or it has some sort of meaning to

[lethal moat]

Or it's for the funny and it makes sense

Plus, reasons to stop making smart animals doesn't mean that they stopped (at least not immediately)

[bold crater]

I can see too high intelligence also being a "why the hell does it keep doing this" kinda thing. Like whatever animal in question just keeps being smart in some ways even when they try to change it.

[lethal moat]

"Why is this herrera attacking cameras?"

[bold crater]

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-clever-girl-dinosaurs-gif-9559854

[bold crater]

I love stuff like that So much control over stuff yet at times, no control at all.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/life-uh-finds-a-way-it-be-that-way-it-will-work-itself-out-gif-16077053

[young viper]

yeah, imagine trying to control Minmi

[bold crater]

[young viper]

(they cant)

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-age-of-ultron-robot-dread-meme-marvel-gif-16652674

[lethal moat]

Men of peace create engines of war

[bold crater]

People create.....
....smaller people?

[lethal moat]

Children! Lost the word there

[young viper]

invaders create avengers..

[hexed forge]

Minmi broke the hyper fences

[lethal moat]

Love that scene

[median shuttle]

at what time do the lights turn on?

[meager junco]

It was actually TIMOTHY

[young viper]

with a single sneeze

[hexed forge]

Nah, it was Ben

[meager junco]

Hope we get to see Ben soon

[hexed forge]

What if that's the loredrop.. Ben in a vat..

Technically an object

[lethal moat]

Ultron is a great character, since he thinks he's doing the right thing, and that's what he was made to do

[meager junco]

I was also wondering if something like a hyper tree would count as an object

[hexed forge]

What defines an object

[meager junco]

Honestly a lot of things, it just more depends on what don sees as an object, a structure is technically an object

[bold crater]

If strain plants are still a thing
And Neurotenic plants exist
....what if they're intelligent plants

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-age-of-ultron-robot-dread-meme-marvel-gif-16652699

[lethal moat]

I've heard that before

[meager junco]

I’d be down for giant fly trap plants as well

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-groot-tiny-dance-grow-gif-5671631

[bold crater]

These GIFs irk me because it's the wrong quote in the wrong scene >:C

[lethal moat]

Ultron is very much a genie in the bottle and you not being specific about what you wished for

[meager junco]

Ah yes

[young viper]

replicator...

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/violámadagascar-gif-21419559

[hexed forge]

Hold on

[meager junco]

Holding

[hexed forge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/dQGaXBblAIk?si=aPdDkhHdq5qQpAcS

Couldn't find the exact video I was looking for, but this gives a good idea

This is what I imagined the plant to be

Just a nice plant that's also a torture plant when you get eaten

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-49685-sarlacc-pit-gif-13512871

[hexed forge]

Yep

[meager junco]

Trap plants are a fun idea imo, keeps you alert even when walking in a hidden jungle

[hexed forge]

It would be a nice idea if you don't die immediately after you get trapped, instead you slowly die. Having ways for the player to get out would be awesome.

I say like 3 ways, and if you fail them all, rip

[meager junco]

That’s exactly what I was just thinking lolol, something maybe based off stamina, and if friends are around you, they can maybe bite the plants roots to let you go, but if you’re alone and low on stam, you die and get eaten

[hexed forge]

Gets harder to get out depending on how long you were trapped in there too

[lethal moat]

I like the replicator as a less sentient Ultron, just doing it’s job, maybe against AE’s wishes, to get to the programmed final goal

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

That’s how I think of it, AE asked it a task, but didn’t expect the outcome that was given

[lethal moat]

Or maybe it’s just working fine and AE slipped up

[hexed forge]

I have recognized that HUMANS are the problem to climate change

Exterminate.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[hexed forge]

Joking

The replicator probably has a different goal

[lethal moat]

I’m here to make the most successful dinosaurs I can, and they must take advantage of all available food and space

Or maybe replicator has a skewed version of success

We sort of just skip over the thing that is the reason the game is possible quite a bit because of how little we know lol

[median shuttle]

Is there anything ruling out the replicator has gotten way out of control/possibly achieving sentience and pursuing it's own goal?

[acoustic osprey]

We can't be too sure

we don't know how Replicator interacts nor replicates

is the aspect of Gen1s sacrificing things to The Replicator a tradition/ritual that she has enforced onto Gen1s?
or is it something along the lines of the replicator needs material to replicate

if AE can't do it
Something/someone needs to

does Replicator call for peoples to such ritual?
or was the replicator static till Gen1s somehow found out upon her and then did such ritual

note though

we do know that Gen1s have some sort of understanding with it's connection with The Replicator (and potentially AE, maybe)

[lethal moat]

I think it’s the second

[median shuttle]

So it's not just a cargo cult scenario

[lethal moat]

Replicator gives benefits, and they exploit those benefits as best they can

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1252751410496536656/image.png?ex=66735b2b&is=667209ab&hm=31a6deca49614bbf7896be794722af37798d05e88160557492c97cbb967812e4&

[acoustic osprey]

not truly, it seems

i wouldn't say it's 100% not like that
they seem to be rewarded - at least that seems to still be the case

but that also might be influenced by actual gameplay reasons as well
or it might just be neatly in tangent

i need me transaction

[pseudo fable]

If it makes you all feel any better, the entire non-lore content process was almost done entirely backwards backwards, which resulted in some threads being written backwards to connect to one another.

https://tenor.com/bprns.gif

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[pseudo fable]

Not interesting. Basic cursory search into how some parts of the game manifested from community request reveals this info.

[valid geyser]

I feel like that paragraph made my brain go backwards

[acoustic osprey]

i'm hearing docktahs

[acoustic osprey]

potentially backways backwards forwards?

[lethal moat]

I’d argue that it’s still interesting, just not fun interesting

[valid geyser]

….
yyyyeeessss..?

[acoustic osprey]

very good

[pseudo fable]

It means certain concepts were grafted onto this game because the community wanted it and, "Yeah, that's pretty fking cool. Let's try that," for no other reason that I wanted people to believe in a fun concept instead of it being, "Oh boy another dinosaur game to be abandoned in a year."

[median shuttle]

yeah im pretty sure the gif also keeps my brain from processing what im reading

[valid geyser]

Oh I see now
Brain has been turned the right way again

[median shuttle]

ah now I get it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-intereasting-gif-27177481

[hexed forge]

Turn it back around with robo-quetz!!

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm
problem with any art

do you give what they want, the people? How much so then? All the way?
or do you stay with what you want?

[valid geyser]

qqquetzzzz?

[pseudo fable]

Those problems, thankfully, are not of concern anymore.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/daemon-targaryen-house-of-the-dragon-matt-smith-letter-mail-gif-26921562

[lethal moat]

The original intention was something similar in concept to primal carnage right?

[pseudo fable]

God no.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I wasn’t around then and don’t really look into old legacy stuff

[pseudo fable]

If I had to give you something Google-able that you can look up actual gameplay footage of,

[acoustic osprey]

as interesting as it is
and some of the new PCE lore coming for Ps5

definitely quite different

but it's a dino game
some foundational aspects are the same
also looking at JP

[median shuttle]

btw, domes are looking real pretty with the glass, wonder what will be inside

[acoustic osprey]

You

[hexed forge]

Filipe said biomes, but Don might have a different intention.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bw9EX.gif

[hexed forge]

So not biomes

Wait no, it can still be biomes.

[acoustic osprey]

We'll get there when we get there

[hexed forge]

Strain biomes

[valid geyser]

Avoiding eye contact!1!1 get them!!1

I tried to further extend that joke but auto correct insisted it must be French so I gave up on that.

[lethal moat]

Dome sewers > whatever is in the dome

[hexed forge]

What's the joke

[valid geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-10141647709992578610

[hexed forge]

(I literally don't understand the reference, I'm dumb)

[acoustic osprey]

those artworks
I assume being Perm/Hexadome, due to the context of those artworks and the actual placing of Perm itself

are really cool

once we get the final "model/modular" aspect of Perm done inside and out

we'll definitely understand the Dibbles going through and out aspect

[lethal moat]

I need to clean out the clogged filter but there’s a sucho nesting down there

[hexed forge]

The dibbles entered and left freely right?

[hexed forge]

insert hd2 meme of "I'm not going down there"

[lethal moat]

Possibly

[median shuttle]

they mightve been guided, all we saw was a tracker screen

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[hexed forge]

Sorry bud, I don't think you have a choice now.

[lethal moat]

I wonder if gen 2 will bargain with larger dinosaurs, kill a few omnis, put them on the back of a truck, and use the bodies to lure the dinosaurs away from an interested area

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-tarantino-thats-a-bingo-gif-16052246

i presume that goes onto the extent of the player itself

competency and luck

alongside the dino players as well

[pseudo fable]

You'll have things you'd not otherwise see in actual lore because some people focus on ruining the fun of others in the most optimized way possible.

[lethal moat]

I still need to watch that movie

[acoustic osprey]

mmm, i can only imagine
I imagine heaps will come on launch taking them into TheHunter: Primal

[valid geyser]

Well, when I first read that I went an entirely different direction.

Don’t gotta be the fastest, just as long as you can outrun the slowest

[acoustic osprey]

however
to be fair

as anti-lore it could be

I'd love to make a TheHunter Primal mod if ever possible on Evrima
move the hunters to their dedicated server

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bEPWg.gif

[lethal moat]

Unofficial servers don’t need to be lore friendly

[pseudo fable]

I'm actually going to play the new expansion for Call of the Wild shortly.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardodicaprio-happy-hour-gif-5417221

[hexed forge]

[pseudo fable]

And a hunting game has been the first reference for, "If we need to make a basic mod for them to pull apart, well... we have the assets for a hunting game."

[acoustic osprey]

Been seeing tons of stuff on it lately on a friends server

[pseudo fable]

:^)

I'd sneak around and fail to hunt a dinosaur.

[acoustic osprey]

true
probably wouldn't have to do much to make it a proper hunting game as a mod

[lethal moat]

I can see whoever makes a good singleplayer mod being pretty popular

[hexed forge]

I don't think it would be that easy

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[lethal moat]

Depends on the player and the tools at their disposal

[median shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/clever-girl-raptor-jurassic-park-clever-dinosaur-gif-16307907

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bQ0qJ.gif

[hexed forge]

What game are you all talking about?

[acoustic osprey]

makes me wanna re-create JP Novel scenes in game

[lethal moat]

Just “generic hunting game” as a base

[hexed forge]

Hmmmm,

Rex chasing a boat

[lethal moat]

Speaking of hunting game, can you tell us anything else about that hunting lodge you mentioned on stream Don?

[acoustic osprey]

swimming rex is pretty cool

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-kaperoo-david-attenborough-hans-zimmer-tyrannosaurus-rex-gif-25280200

[acoustic osprey]

if I had proper modelling skill
I'd love to basically take JP2 models and place it into JP2 novel in The Isle

that is dream

[hexed forge]

Start learning!

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-ned-eddard-stark-gif-8425074

[hexed forge]

Actually I need to start learning. Always wanted to

[lethal moat]

I’m curious about who AE would let know about the dinosaurs in order to hunt them, and if not for money, then why

[acoustic osprey]

i think it's definitely a loaded question

bit too much for us right now maybe

[lethal moat]

It’s really a few questions

[acoustic osprey]

and likely sprout many more, knowing our luck, lol

[hexed forge]

So.

Why would AE start hunting the dinosaurs? (In a specific area?)

[lethal moat]

1. Who’s hunting dinosaurs.
2. Why are they hunting dinosaurs.
3. How were they able to learn about dinosaurs
4. Why them specifically
5. What does AE get out of it
6. Why not other people for hunting dinosaurs?

[acoustic osprey]

you could also add
If they are hunting dinosaurs
Is there any differences with these dinosaurs and other dinosaurs? Is there an EIP connected to such? Or is it basically some braindead ||forgive the extreme tonality of the world|| fodder

[hexed forge]

Jesus

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/black-noir-the-boys-the-boys-black-noir-no-no-no-the-boys-no-gif-10930181629543872562

[valid geyser]

How confidential is AE and where?
Yes it’s secret bla bla what not, but like I can’t see why they would be hunting dinosaurs on their own

[hexed forge]

Uh, yay.

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[lethal moat]

And all this, from the mentioned existence of a singular building

[hexed forge]

I think 1 would just be AE tho

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/YAlr.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/house-cheers-hugh-laurie-gif-11404344

[valid geyser]

Yeah are dinosaurs more secret?
Could they possibly be encouraged by people as some way of.. I dunno- income? Advertising?
Hey who can catch the big bull Rex?!

[fossil nebula]

nevah happen

[lethal moat]

Very nice, so the reserve has it’s own island thingo?

[pseudo fable]

It is its own environment.

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[lethal moat]

Very fun

[acoustic osprey]

if it'll officially come, that'll be cool to wait for.
Sounds pretty interesting. Lore-wise

[hexed forge]

Is the "Wall of Nope" the hyper fences?

[lethal moat]

More maps

[pseudo fable]

It's been written, even if we never get to go there.

[hexed forge]

Oh wait it's a different map

[acoustic osprey]

nice!

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it could be the same/a similar model

[lethal moat]

Looks like it

[acoustic osprey]

but a wall could be truly anything

[hexed forge]

Nice

[lethal moat]

“Commercial area” is interesting, because it potentially implies more than just hunting and lodging

[hexed forge]

V3 had these commercial areas(the concept did)

Wonder if it's going to be like that

[valid geyser]

Little museum, they have the best specimens for it

[hexed forge]

Like similar design and locations to the concept

[lethal moat]

I just had an image in my head, one second

This is a paleontologist talking to a small child: https://youtu.be/Mxa4WNMDLEE?si=Yj2Te0ilsoCkGlCQ

The poor dryo lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/4aada765a21e457223c3b2eba342f9cc

[hexed forge]

Yeahh

[valid geyser]

That video has now been saved.
That’s beautiful.

[lethal moat]

Ikr

[robust ether]

testing slowmode here rq