isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

well, within the HHD of the computer used in the video, aye

[hexed forge]

Oh, yea

I presume there are many more files saved on the H4 computer. Just for the sake of the video, only one was shown.

[acoustic osprey]

what is interesting though
is that the computer locks access to the global AE research database

either the OLYMPUS user is not a high enough clearance
(being clearance level 4)

or the computer itself not is able to connect to such

but seeing as it says "verification required"

it might mean either:

1. He needs higher clearance (which seems a bit weird? If it's ONLY allowed for Stage 5, or above, why even show it at all? Stage 5 IS very high)
   or
2. It's akin to a 2-step verification. Only able to connect to the global database through validating that "X" Olympus USER IS "X" Olympus User

[hexed forge]

The global AE database has all the files, research reports, etc right? Would make sense that only higher stage clearances can view that

[acoustic osprey]

It wouldn't really make sense to showcase it for all levels though
I presume it might be due to my second reasoning in this though #isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

the actual system, itself, knows "oh yes, whomever this is, they're using a high clearance key. But we're not sure if this person IS who they say they are till they can verify"

verify how?
Who knows

how good is AE's facecam tech?
or finger tech?
maybe insert a card? Who knows

[hexed forge]

Aye, keycards. We saw models of those right?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

Or wait, those are just clearance passes. Not an Olympus user card

Or is it?

[acoustic osprey]

but keycards a weird though
they're not very good at being verification systems

[acoustic osprey]

we're not sure what physical method was used to access and notify the system of the OLYMPUS user's clearance level

[acoustic osprey]

maybe standard OLYMPUS keycards are like a bypass keycard?

that are locked to a certain "clearance level"

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[acoustic osprey]

in this case our example would be minimum stage 4

[lethal moat]

This is another thing

[acoustic osprey]

aye

oh wait a second
this person was Stage 5, not 4
Woopsie

[grand sigil]

Isle: Containment Breach

[acoustic osprey]

if there are max 5 levels
it would make sense OLYMPUS keycards bypass all levels and are locked to stage 5

[hexed forge]

So the verification part is just a check to make sure that it's an Olympus user, how? We don't know

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, seems so

looking at ERRANT-291

[hexed forge]

Biotrace as a verification check..?( I have no idea how biotrace works)

[acoustic osprey]

well, it's a very physical way of verification

[hexed forge]

Then it's not biotrace

[acoustic osprey]

why?

[hexed forge]

You just made me doubt it- I don't know. How would a physical verification check work through a computer

Oh, wait, well, it depends on how the verification check even works-

[lethal moat]

Biometrics like finger scanners or some sort of physical card

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
it's not that hard to imagine

especially since they're a pretty bio-techy company
things could exist if they commissioned it

[hexed forge]

Yeyee , I forgot that those count as physical checks..

[acoustic osprey]

however, we're yet, in-game, to see any trace of actual external verification methods like such

[hexed forge]

A camera that somehow scans your entire body for the correct biotrace.

Or idk

[grand sigil]

My explanation is that AE just has some weird tech up their sleeves

Which was already evident

Rather obviously

[hexed forge]

Isn't there a computer on gateway with a camera on it? Might be wrong.

[lethal moat]

They don't even need weird tech, they can just use existing technology

[fast forge]

My guess is that they have a type of real-world animal tracking known as a "bio-logger" that is connected to the radio network at most times

[acoustic osprey]

can't remember
the only computer I remember are CRT
but I think you might be referring to something we have. Can't remember specifically

[fast forge]

I think these bio-loggers are the readouts you see in the tab menu, and when you die - the heartbeat monitor being the animals heartrate data sent to the radio towers in real time

[lethal moat]

I agree, granted, UI rework could change things

[hexed forge]

Yeah I don't think the current UI has much meaning until we get a rework

[acoustic osprey]

sadly yeah
it's the most undefined aspect, I'd say, for in-game worldbuilding

[hexed forge]

It's a copy and paste from legacy I think

[acoustic osprey]

due to how dubious it all is
but I don't think they'll remove the heartbeat monitor anytime soon anyways

[acoustic osprey]

mostly, yeah

[fast forge]

I'm not saying that the UI is definitive evidence, I'm saying that we have real-world tracking devices that monitor this same type of data, and the UI is simply supporting evidence

The UI data is exactly the ideal types of data you could get from a bio-logger

[lethal moat]

I hope all of these aspects stay, but change somewhat

[grand sigil]

I like to think that the profile UI is actually on a screen somewhere in a facility

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, in terms of legacy UI, it was mostly due to the aspect of profiles themselves being "connected" with the system.
Containing aspects of being part of bio-logging aspects

[grand sigil]

Not the current UI but just the concept of a profile screen in general

[fast forge]

My point is more like - we basically have this same tech in real life, why wouldn't AE use it?

[grand sigil]

It's a sort of weird mix of retro tech and futuristic tech

Probably for the sake of referencing JP

[acoustic osprey]

more so modern than futuristic
we're really yet to see much futuristic tech at the moment

besides the replicator, at the moment

[grand sigil]

I should have said "wacky tech" instead of "futuristic tech"

[fast forge]

Having looked into animal tracking devices, the situation on gateway where the island can be completely covered by radio access is IDEAL for collecting data on tagged animals

[grand sigil]

I now realize that sci-fi was the term I meant to say, and that I'm also incredibly stupid

[acoustic osprey]

i'm not really sure how much wacky tech we really have atm though.
There is a definite blend between late 00s to mid 10s tech juxtaposing with late 80s to mid 90s tech

at least, in terms of worldbuilding models we've seen on Gateway + Spiro

[grand sigil]

Well, for wacky tech:
The replicator
EIPs & Tartarus
Whatever the hell Olympus is
GUTS hyperloop

[hexed forge]

Olympus is a location pretty sure

So not tech

[grand sigil]

Yeah but I strongly assume it's a pretty sci-fi place

[acoustic osprey]

GUTS and Olympus aren't really wacky
we know nothing of Olympus and tunnels exist irl

I already referring to Replicator
Tartarus is also quite unknown - underground labs are real things

[grand sigil]

Wasn't GUTS gonna have a weird train originally?

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
EIPs are weird

[acoustic osprey]

monorail

[hexed forge]

Monorail? Lol how is that weird

[grand sigil]

No not that
I mean before

[acoustic osprey]

No.
GUTS only had planned monorail

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

you're probably thinking of the large GUTS tunnel concept art

[lethal moat]

So far, most of what we suspect isn't absurd just advanced

[grand sigil]

I feel like there was word of a "Hyper train" used to transport AE monsters and crap

[acoustic osprey]

might've been Legacy? But I'm not really sure

[grand sigil]

Maybe

Oh, add strains to the list of tech maybe

It's a silly sci-fi thing too

It's not all 1920s

[hexed forge]

I don't think it's absurddd tho, I feel like it would be possible irl ngl

[grand sigil]

(This is an exaggeration for comedic effect, do not correct me)

[hexed forge]

1990s*

[grand sigil]

Also what's up with #FENCEADDICT

[lethal moat]

He likes fences

[valid geyser]

Oh no..

[grand sigil]

I don't understand

[hexed forge]

Fences..

[valid geyser]

Not the fences..

[hexed forge]

Fences..... fences make up gateway

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

[hexed forge]

Fences dictate sectors, dinosaur locations, bases, restricted and unrestricted areas..

[hexed forge]

Fences = gateway

[grand sigil]

That just reminded me I still need to write my feedback on completely enclosing all of northeast and east plains in fenced-in areas with only shut gates to resolve the hotspot issue temporarily

[acoustic osprey]

No
Gateway = gate....

[lethal moat]

Can't have gateway without gates

[hexed forge]

Fuzzy you have been living under a rock

[grand sigil]

Well I am a dwarf, so, yeah, I live in rocks

[acoustic osprey]

"completely enclosing"

[valid geyser]

South plains is the new hot spot

I think.

[acoustic osprey]

all the cool kids go there

[hexed forge]

I mean the Hotspot part, ne is no hotspot

East plains is kind of a Hotspot still, but not really

[valid geyser]

Yeahh

[grand sigil]

⚠️ Hotspot behavior is caused by glitches in EIPs ⚠️

[valid geyser]

I’m not gonna lie, I didn’t understand half of those words so I practically just heard words that sounded like English but weren’t then the bang.

[hexed forge]

Anyways to summarize the topic that started this chain of topics

Olympus user logins into a computer(perhaps the database) of a base on the map. (H4)
Accessing all files saved on the computer in H4. There are probably more files saved on the computer but for the sake of the video only one was shown.

Boom, bam, beem, boom.

[grand sigil]

Me as a gen 2 when a gen 1 screams in my face for twenty seconds (I blow its head off with a sawed-off)

[hexed forge]

Is this correct?

[fast forge]

It's funny, there is this thing with animals in cages (like fish) where if there is too much fighting amongst territorial males you just move the furniture around and they'll think it's a new location and stop fighting.

This feels like what's happening with the hotspots and changes to spawns

[grand sigil]

Hotspots in real life!?!?

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of the Augustus video though

it seems like they only found the one file

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[grand sigil]

Also idk if this is even lore related at this point but I do want the fences to have more connectivity to effect the flow and movement of players around the map, because all of them just abruptly end somewhere where you can just go around them
And gates that open and close too

[lethal moat]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438 Dilo Carno Galli

[hexed forge]

I think it was just for the sake of the video actually, but I might be wrong. Likely wrong

Because if I was right, then there would be atleast some sort of ... or (load more) thing to indicate more files. So I'm likely wrong.

[lethal moat]

Could be lore

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it's more so a VisualTech and Jace thing
technically is lore because it's worldbuilding

i HOPE they finish all the fence and general building stuff because trailer though 🙂

[hexed forge]

Which trailer

The trailer in the works or for the game trailer

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway trailer

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/caravan-test-crazy-driver-crazy-gif-23652922

[hexed forge]

Ahaha.

No, unless Jayce doesn't sleep 2 weeks straight we aren't getting fences to be completed by the time gateway trailer finishes..

[lethal moat]

Depends just how many fences there are

[acoustic osprey]

Jayce...

[hexed forge]

JACE**

[acoustic osprey]

also
why 2 weeks?

there is no deadline/eta for Gateway trailer, to what we know

[hexed forge]

I have a friend named Jayce and my phone auto corrects it to that. Srry Jace if you ever see this

[acoustic osprey]

idnod?

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

also, why not release Gateway trailer now if not for the incomplete human stuff?

[hexed forge]

Spanning all the way to highlands at least

From the current fence placements

[lethal moat]

I feel that's reasonably doable

[hexed forge]

Because the trailer in the works is meant to summarize everything we got since 6.5. It's not just gateway. It's more.

[fast forge]

I imagine West Access (the peninsula, not West Rail) will have some human stuff on it. It's kinda bare right now

Hoping it gets the NE Plains treatment

[acoustic osprey]

but isn't the gateway trailer for gateway though?

why not release it for Gateway release?

[fast forge]

the obvious answer to me is work timelines

[lethal moat]

I kind of want the gateway trailer to give us sneak peaks of upcoming stuff, like GUTS tunnels or finished domes

[fast forge]

they still haven't released the dilo/herrera trailer right?

[hexed forge]

Because they had a different update plan. It's not longer update 6.. 6.5.. 7..

[acoustic osprey]

i said release not numbered

[hexed forge]

Yes

I mean that. Why work your ass off on a gateway trailer only to make another one for Herrera and dilo coming a month later. Why not just put it in 1 big trailer and wait? There was no purpose for a gateway release trailer

[acoustic osprey]

it's still weird.
As you have a dedicated trailer/video creator with the engine
It wouldn't be overly hard to create such trailer for GW release

especially since, prior to dibble video, there hasn't really been any video in half a year

[lethal moat]

Do we know for sure which is coming first and second?

[hexed forge]

Wdym

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
hence

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Well, I guess they could delay the summary trailer for total map completion..

[acoustic osprey]

which summary trailer

[hexed forge]

The "gateway" trailer that people call.. the one mentioned in devblogs..

[fast forge]

I like this point too

[hexed forge]

Many people call this the gateway trailer EVEN THO ITS NOT GATEWAY AS THE MAIN POINT!!

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

[hexed forge]

If you are referencing the trailer mentioned in the devblog

If you are not, then I am confused as hell and I apologize

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
it would be the first proper cinematic on Gateway

if your main point is to be anything
it should be Gateway

[hexed forge]

It could be the star of the trailer yea

Cera was like the star of 6.5 yet the trailer was not meant to just be about it.

[lethal moat]

I want there to be shadow levels of discussion about stuff teased in the gateway trailer

[hexed forge]

What things? 🤔

[lethal moat]

Strain tease, area teases etc

[hexed forge]

Give me a gateway lore video.

Show different sectors and pictures of the new changes. Maybe perhaps a brief description of the area

[acoustic osprey]

(main point doesn't mean "just about it" though)

[grand sigil]

The Gateway trailer will be the Steam Store page trailer, right?

[acoustic osprey]

main point would be the highlight, for instance

[hexed forge]

REEEEE

No

[acoustic osprey]

if they want that trailer to be the release trailer
then more than likely

[hexed forge]

But steam can have multiple trailers so, I mean, they could put it up as one of them

[grand sigil]

I meant early access trailer, not release trailer

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of release as in Evrima as main branch

[hexed forge]

I see

[grand sigil]

New Steam Store page in the next 2 years hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

they only want to start putting on evrima stuff on steam once they move it to main branch

if they're waiting to release that trailer for that reason
it would be very happy 🙂

[lethal moat]

Evrima main branch

[hexed forge]

The trailer for the steampage will contain multiple things from the game tho

While the "gateway" trailer that seiza mentioned being worked on is a summary of things Added since 6.5...

Soo idk if that will work as a steampage early access trailer

[acoustic osprey]

the longevity of time could indicate things changing internally
but I doubt that

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

It could be a patchwork trailer to make Evrima the main branch and work on more stuff and more trailers as time goes on

[hexed forge]

Either way, this trailer will hopefully release this summer. PERHAPS

on the day of the 6.5 release date to make it a full year

Would be lovely

[acoustic osprey]

i'll be in thailand then, i believe
that'll be nice

[hexed forge]

Exploring the world

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

visiting Gateway!!! (south east asia theory)

[hexed forge]

Yippee

[patent ginkgo]

Southeast Asia is still a pretty valid guess but it was initially based entirely off of the plant life there so uh… not much evidence for it anymore

[robust ether]

Wait, what happened to using the plants as evidence for the islands location?

[patent ginkgo]

Don confirmed that the map plants (as opposed to the diet plants) have no impact lorewise beyond being tropical

[grand sigil]

Aw

Southeast Asia / Oceania would be a perfect place for a scary secret island imo

Or several islands even

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I had the same thought

Although I did realize, we can probably pinpoint what latitude gateway is at via the sun angle

[patent ginkgo]

So I think, based very roughly off of the angle of the sun and the length of days and nights, gateway is in the Tropic of Cancer

Which is more towards East Asia than Oceania or Southeast Asia

But also goes through the Gulf of Mexico

Gulf of Mexico would be a fun location as well

[sly merlin]

why is the dilo boutta tweak out

[lethal moat]

It’s Ben

[grand sigil]

@stoic void

[lethal moat]

What if one of AE’s “external hostile entities” tries to sabotage stuff because AE’s goals are in direct contrast to their own?

[grand sigil]

Been done before, but a welcome idea nonetheless

I would love to see sabotage from within
AE is a massive megacorporation so maybe some factions do some stuff that results in some other stuff?

Besides it is unlikely AE has competitors

[lethal moat]

Why's that?

[hexed forge]

We know they have... hostile... organizations?

[hexed forge]

Show the other one that he talks about hostile outsiders, i forgot what it was about.

It was related to AE dropping a bunch of Gen1s to raid a base that was held by those..hostile people

[hexed forge]

Ey

[lethal moat]

This is why we have the quotes channel

[hexed forge]

Just name it "Dondi-Quotes" at this point

[lethal moat]

We've got Punch stuff in there and I think a Filipe quote or two

[hexed forge]

Remove the "new" in the name

Would make it better.

[lethal moat]

Done

[fast forge]

oh wait no this one

[grand sigil]

How have I never seen this

[lethal moat]

You never paid attention

[grand sigil]

Trust me I would've if I wasn't stupid

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

Weaponize the giant crabs

[valid geyser]

I agree with this idea.

[hexed forge]

Give them some Fox 2s, afterburners, capability to reach mach 2, stealth capabilities, a few Sparrow missiles, And maybe an Entire PATRIOT missile defense system on top

And ofc make them fly

[lethal moat]

You took the creature that is both a submarine and a tank and decided that it was a jet

[hexed forge]

Why not all three

Oh yeah make its main energy source nuclear power

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair though, that, specifically is about internal issues

not hard to imagine though that such would occur
Especially if you don't come from the "research and development subsidiary (Apollo Engineering)", for example you're in Apollo Pharmaceuticals North, that you may or may not agree with the ethical ideas and challenges AE brings up forth to the able

[hexed forge]

Government system

Oh well, atleast the US system.

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean

oh you mean like different intelligence agencies and bureaus?

[hexed forge]

Nonono, The three parts, and not all sides agree on something. Causing a lot of issues when deciding things...

[acoustic osprey]

isn't it two?

(two-party system)

[hexed forge]

The US system or Apollo

[acoustic osprey]

US

[hexed forge]

Uhm, not a big nerd, but I think its 3

Judical, Legislative, and Presiden- I forgot the third one but it involves the president

[valid geyser]

….president. Are.. really?

Executive, my friend.

[hexed forge]

YEAH THAT ONE

[acoustic osprey]

oh no, I'm talking about "sides"
US has two main parties
therefore, basically everything is going to be split into two "sides/teams"
I thought that was what you were referring to

[hexed forge]

oh

But then the US has 4 sides actually The president(Executive), Supreme court(Judical I think), and then the congress(Legislative, being broken down into two parts ofc)

Not all might agree on the same thing, causing potentially 4 sides.

I dont know what Im talking about, @valid geyser Am I correct or wrong

Or wait, I messed up the process.... AHHHH CRAP

[valid geyser]

Mmm..

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw is talking about the political parties, not the way the government works

[hexed forge]

I dont know whats going on with my head right now

[valid geyser]

Yeah I think lightclaw is talking about the democratic and republican party

Or whateverrr

[hexed forge]

I am currently watching an anime, working on schoolwork, chatting with a friend, and talking here. I think my brain is getting twisted.

[acoustic osprey]

which would make sense in terms of Isle Lore
however- less "legal parties"
and more so "heavily sided split ideas on what to do" in terms of ethics

[valid geyser]

Yeahh

[acoustic osprey]

"oh, but I wanna split open someone's mind and see what would happen if we simulate 1000 lives as another creature then put him back into a human body!!"

[valid geyser]

“But that’s just not..”

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[hexed forge]

Me: Thats not ethical tho!! It will make us evil!!

Rumple: Its for the greater good

Tiny: We dont know if we are capable of that

(This is literally what the EIP talks have been so far...)

[valid geyser]

Mm. Lore moment

[hexed forge]

Lorechat is basically the internal issues in AE

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-greater-good-incredibles-gif-5438408

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lets-talk-questions-animal-pet-gif-8333765139387877698

[lethal moat]

What happens if something gets trapped in GUTS? Like when the seal off portions and something gets stuck

Also something else I thought of

What if AE doesn’t care about tracking natural born animals because they don’t have EIPs, so they just don’t chip them or record their data nearly to the extent as they do for created animals

Or it’s the other way around, where they don’t have EIPs because they can’t be chipped

Who knows, sort of need to wait and see more about how they work before getting better guesses

[lethal moat]

@hexed forge I was looking through old stuff and found this gem https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240917886894080080/1240919090562994266/IMG_3354.png?ex=66484f76&is=6646fdf6&hm=b33d21163d09156b97d1b00504ef17887d5ccf56d5e0311960a1c9cdd7204740&

This is also a thing, we know now that they go in depth with several generations of dinosaurs in order to properly test them, but it does make me wonder exactly how wacky things got or if strains and the matriarch sre even the craziest on the islands https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1240917886894080080/1240919091397660743/IMG_3358.png?ex=66484f76&is=6646fdf6&hm=242c130fe5c8ff100fcee526b4fc10f48729d3416cbca8e15f5ae11b6b31e479&

[patent ginkgo]

Hackers pfp has been immortalized

[acoustic osprey]

why

[ionic sable]

[gaunt dawn]

Release the lore

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/you-gif-18001814

[lethal moat]

What if the reason gen 2 are so under equipped is because AE is trying to retain the authenticity of the "original experiment" of whatever they're doing on the island

A full on amphibious invasion would decimate the local population

Just because the TOMB was purged doesn't mean you can't salvage as much as you can

[lethal moat]

JWE2

[acoustic osprey]

yeah haha

[lethal moat]

Behold, unofficial hyper quetz

I do like how the haulers look like the military's Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck

Hyperendocrine, one of the strains

[acoustic osprey]

Hyperendocrin

[lethal moat]

Won't be that simple if it is, but we aren't 100% sure it'll be playable

Might be some sort of progression to it, but we currently don't know anything at all about it's status will be in game

[pseudo fable]

How's it going tonight?

[lethal moat]

Good, how about yourself?

[pseudo fable]

Sorting all of the things.

UI. Menus.

https://tenor.com/7IzM.gif

[lethal moat]

UI for things give me happy chemicals

But why would you leave though

[acoustic osprey]

Thank GOD

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-yeah-baby-waiting-yes-gif-25089199

[pseudo fable]

Oh, it's just a lot.

[lethal moat]

I'm assuming it's interactive UI? Or is it for a video?

[acoustic osprey]

heard UI, and just general anything with GFX, on UE is fun

[lethal moat]

It's all fun, but some things are more fun than others

[acoustic osprey]

if it's a video, I'd be interested in why.
I know Seiza does a lot of VFX stuff- at least prior to becoming a dev.

[acoustic osprey]

very fun

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

I should take Alex jones clips out of context with lore images that correlate in the background

[lethal moat]

Could be mutations stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah, might be.

that'll be pretty cool to see once finalised

[lethal moat]

The old web looking thing we saw awhile back was interesting

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[lethal moat]

Well, I’ve got first day full time work later today, if anything interesting happens, be sure to put it in the quotes channel

[hexed forge]

WOOOOOO

If the main menu is getting reworked it hopefully might contain lore.

[lethal moat]

I totally forgot I changed the title cards lol

[umbral patrol]

I need to binge your newest lore episodes

[lethal moat]

I enjoyed making them

[umbral patrol]

I believe it! Can hear the enthusiasm in your voice. It’s great. Need something other than music to listen to while doing animal chores during the day

I appreciate ch’yall

[lethal moat]

[umbral patrol]

[strange sinew]

You have a youtube channel?

[lethal moat]

Yes, but that only has the first episode of the podcast, most of what I do is Spotify

[umbral patrol]

Hey rump can you DM me the lorecord info, I think I’m fully ready for the sussery now I was ill prepared the first time

[strange sinew]

thats cool

[lethal moat]

Sure

[umbral patrol]

Sweet

[hexed forge]

Oh hell no

You are never ready for that hellish landscape

No one is ready

[umbral patrol]

[lethal moat]

Their welcome back devolved into the discussion of the government cheese caves

[hexed forge]

Indeed

The rain part was my favorite

[acoustic osprey]

when your video finished

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-yeah-baby-waiting-yes-gif-25089199

[hexed forge]

Give me uh, a week. Maybe I can finish by then, I cant work on it this weekend however because of family stuff

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[dapper zodiac]

IS THAT REAL

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[dapper zodiac]

oo

Ima listen to it rn

Is it Spotify or YouTube

[lethal moat]

Spotify

[dapper zodiac]

BET

[lethal moat]

Want an invite to the lore server as well?

[dapper zodiac]

sure

[lethal moat]

I'll DM you

[dapper zodiac]

Kk

[tiny cypress]

can i get an invite to it?

[lethal moat]

Sure

[tiny cypress]

thanks

[lethal moat]

Thank you moderator

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[thin vine]

ive been attacking this turtle as a juvie ptera for 4 minutes

[lethal moat]

https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438

[thin vine]

i thought this was-

hguhugnbg

[fast forge]

like Gen 1

[lethal moat]

Among other things

[fast forge]

I love how alien the neuros look

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[grand sigil]

Would've been perfect if the word pathway was switched to gateway

[lethal moat]

What is so important about the experiment AE is doing that makes sacrificing all the gen 2 that players will kill in order to either augment the experiment or recapture the island without major disruptions to said experiment

[acoustic osprey]

how do we know AE are sacrificing Gen2s willingly or knowingly, upon Gateway at least

[lethal moat]

You make an excellent point

It could just be entirely self sufficient

[acoustic osprey]

have to wonder
I don't think we've ever been told on how held on and knowledgeable AE is currently with Gen2s upon the island(s)

[acoustic osprey]

it could be some sort of anarchic aspect casted by the Replicator

[lethal moat]

I think a lot will depend on Gen 2 gameplay, since we don't know if it's every man for himself or you all have the same orders, do what you like

[acoustic osprey]

sure, Gen2s are almost likely by AEs designs and ideals
but that doesn't mean the replicator can't spit them out whenever, wherever and however

[acoustic osprey]

like mutations
almost literally nothing

[lethal moat]

If it's designed to Automate and regulate ecosystems, it could work

Just keeps doing it's job after AE leaves, and even if to what extent AE has left and how quickly isn't known

AI is meant to do things with less overseer interaction

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, i doubt it has much designed purpose outside of such
Being The Replicator it is weird though

how much (if any) intervening does she have within an ecosystem/environment, especially something like Gateway. Which seems more natural than just a sterile biodome but less open than true free-range chicken

if so
How natural is this? Is this the intended purpose?
If so, you lose any real sense of scientifical control and stability

you're just playing the hand of god. Whenever you see something bad: you change it

unless she's the point "during" an injection

[lethal moat]

For dinosaurs it could be to maintain an ecosystem or something, for gen 2, it could just be “need more employees/workers to maintain the island”

[acoustic osprey]

it's not really that helpful if you maintain an ecosystem with a machine/or really anything human (not natural) intervention
is what I'm saying

nor useful to learn about your ecosystem

if you're just going to replenish "X" creatures/profiles that died

[acoustic osprey]

this being
if The Replicator is merely just the tool used for replicating successful dinosaurs, using their genome, that has been tested within "X" biodome/controlled environment that isn't a proper island like gateway

[lethal moat]

Could be trying variety for some other goal, probably something with EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
her purpose with EIPs in legacy was just the literal replication aspect used for EIPs after they die (for the most part)

[lethal moat]

To what extent does the replicator actually interact with her creations is another interesting question, because gen 1 know where they come from

[acoustic osprey]

looking at the dibble video
not saying the injection point is where she is located
but
that that point is, likely through the coordination of AE, the chosen 'injection' point that that specific batch of Dibbles with the f36 genome is replicated and then dispersed from

[lethal moat]

I’d say since we know neither the timeline of AE, nor where the dibble video is on the timeline, or where replicator was introduced, that we can’t definitively say the replicator was involved with that one

[acoustic osprey]

Fair point
however, we know Tartarus exists at this time
sure it's not the best bet for knowing when
but both Augustus and Dibble vids contain an aspect of Tartarus- Augustus with specific references to "replications" (which, yes albeit it does not hard confirm replicator, I doubt that the wording would be used for something that isn't replicated. Hence the need for The Replicator to replicate)

So it could be related.
But I do doubt The Replicator not existing within Apollo Engineering's hands for a good chunk of time till some time after creating dinosaurs and creating EIPs is a bit unlikely
maybe some sort of proto-replication of sorts?

but if they could create dinosaurs
especially a lot of them

why a need for the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Where’s the replication reference in the dibble video?

[acoustic osprey]

but both Augustus and Dibble vids contain an aspect of Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

as highlighted by the amount of dibble genomes within the dibble video existing prior

unless AE wanted to play a very very long game of waiting

unless ||all these factors!!|| dinosaur life span, at least prior to the replicator, was quite quick and short
naturally or via illness, etc

therefore creating 36 sequencial genomes over a period of a few years might be relatively possible

[lethal moat]

I’m not so sure of replicator’s ties direct to tartarus, due to the nature of AI, the idea of us probably not seeing a physical representation in game (which doesn’t exclude the existence of Tartarus in game)

[lethal moat]

Or overlapping generations

[acoustic osprey]

we know F36 is still sequential to an extent
there would have to be a period of time to wait for adulthood still

[lethal moat]

If you can alter things while they still grow, I’d say overlapping generations becomes incredibly viable and efficient

[acoustic osprey]

not the point though.
Albeit, we know that replications went to tartarus

the timeline of both having Tartarus existing within their respected videos could mean they are far more closely related than being years and years apart

[acoustic osprey]

that would be, though, far more possible with something like the replicator, no?

especially related to genomes

if it was just general chemical imbalances- putting "X" chemical into all "X" dibbles
i'd say, though, why need something like the replicator? (For that point)

We can already do that within actual modern medicine

[lethal moat]

I thought replications were entombed, implying a connection to the TOMB, which I thought was separate from Tartarus, or at least a subsection of it

[lethal moat]

More possible yes, but that doesn’t mean it was there from the beggining

[acoustic osprey]

still
i'm unsure how far "magical" we can go (in terms of Clarke's Third Law) in changing the genome a creature post-birth

[acoustic osprey]

no, that was just Augustus

additional replications, at least, remained in Tartarus

which might mean some connection to The Replicator

if they "remained" there
not taken there

[lethal moat]

My idea is that things grown to adult are kept in vats, which would make alterations during development more likely I would say, you can be birthed as an adult in this theory

[lethal moat]

Right, and this gets us into what exactly Tartarus is and what it contains

[lethal moat]

I’m going to play devils advocate in terms of replicator connections to Tartarus, because I like the idea of an omnipresent AI throughout most or all digital systems on the islands

[acoustic osprey]

it's possible, I'd say.
Just very grey right now seeing as there's no indication to anything of that degree, yet. Besides the models itself
But, outside of that, we're still unsure on it's connection with The Replicator's ability the replicate. How linked or unliked are the vats? I don't presume she justs poops them out of nowhere.
Vats might be, more or less, the answer

[lethal moat]

Right, currently, we’re just gambling about what we thing “the start” looks like

[acoustic osprey]

still
within that specific slide. There was minimal that referred to the replications being moved to Tartarus prior to Augustus' entombment
knowing Tartarus' "developmental/creation" aspect within Legacy, this may prompt that Tartarus, at least, is or contains an branch of creation. Especially linked with The Replicator

[lethal moat]

I just like the idea of minimal Clarke’s third wall involvement, and the more plausible connections you can make reduces the amount of unexplained things need to be left unexplained

[acoustic osprey]

however
do note
the replicator was the aspect that made Don refer to Clarke's Third Law originally

[lethal moat]

I don’t doubt Tartarus has creation linked to it, I just currently know little, since all stuff is very vague, and last time I brought up Tartarus to Dondi, he chuckled sinisterly and said we don’t even know

[acoustic osprey]

I would say it still is evidence for it being far more linked to it is definitely more likely

[lethal moat]

That’s fine, I want Clarke’s third law to be more so about the original creation of the creatures, rather than just a 3d printing press, which I find less likely, growth rather than construction is my idea

[lethal moat]

I agree, I’m just saying there is a lot more unknown about Tartarus than what is confirmed, and we’re being teased when I don’t think it was super relevant given the current context we have

Augustus was fine, we got a little explanation

But the dibble thing seemed out of place

[acoustic osprey]

how so though?

[lethal moat]

The original video was about the injection, wasn’t much anomalous or anything about containment that we saw, which makes me think we’re missing a lot of context, or the artifacting showed us something we weren’t supposed to see that isn’t relevant at all

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't really say that's out of place
If anything. They were just different styles of reporting for two different cases.

One more about injecting life
and one about observing and reporting a life

[lethal moat]

Wouldn’t that be more relevant to Olympus then? What about dibble video warrants connection to Tartarus

Unless Tartarus is a central storage area, which I think would be more befitting of Olympus central, or somebody in Tartarus specifically requested that video, I don’t think Tartarus was relevant with the given context, there could be more, but at the moment, I think that reference was just to get is excited

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, I understand what you mean then with the out of place aspect.
But, that's presuming/or at least connecting to the idea that Tartarus is far more a "prison" of sorts (or at least something more negative/sinister)

if it has any connection to "creation of a being" and/or replication of profiles and their dinosaurid body
It still would make sense having it's own slideshow referring to dibble creation, likely as a footnote prior to their injection

[lethal moat]

If Tartarus is the “primary creation area” I can see it making sense, I guess I’ve always seen it as a specialized location for strain development mostly

I should probably work on that

[acoustic osprey]

I see, that would make sense with the confusion
we still didn't really know the broad content that was made in Legacy within Tartarus.

but with the connection of Tartarus with Augustus. I see it being far more linked with the general dinosaurid aspects- at least potentially dinosaurs/things linked with profiles

[lethal moat]

Anybody can get to the deepest layer of hell, not just famous people

[lethal moat]

I currently see it as some sort of containment area for evrima, seeing as that’s what the Augustus video mostly alluded to

[acoustic osprey]

Just gotta annoy the gods off the most!!

[acoustic osprey]

I don't really think it alluded to such a lot

https://gyazo.com/f7eae929a36acbde55ee0e8aea3e71d8

the remain in Tartarus feels more like they were created and tested there
as replications demonstrated the same behaviour as Augustus

[lethal moat]

There’s also the Tartarus relocation thing at the beginning, but it also mentions relocation just before the ‘remains in Tartarus’ but, so maybe further tests were started and concluded in Tartarus

I feel those additional replications would count as Augustus’s lineage that got displaced

[acoustic osprey]

which tartarus relocation?

[acoustic osprey]

Still, I don't see Tartarus as a singular entity of possession.
Rather a multitude of aspects. Such aspect being creation.
But I don't think the actual Augustus portion of the video was referring to Tartarus as containment.

[acoustic osprey]

if they were started there, though, why not have such created there?

not that the replicator can't move around to replicator in any "X" location AE wants

[lethal moat]

Special testing that isn’t done other places?

[acoustic osprey]

which would make sense if those additional replications were made in tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

at least
not specifically just containment

[lethal moat]

I agree, I just think that Tartarus is either extremely specialized or a very widespread thing

[lethal moat]

Yes, if it’s a big facility, it should be able to do many things, but so far what I’ve interpreted so far has mostly been about containment

Tartarus can be anything, but at the moment, most of what I’ve seen has been related to either punishment or containment

[acoustic osprey]

i cannot imagine creation and containment are very far apart in nature
one involves the beginning of the being, and the other is just the holding onto such after creation
If anything, containment is needed with creation. Where else would things go? Especially seeing as they had augustus replications- noting no reference to natural offspring
it is likely these replications could be future bodies for profiles that may die soon/in some time

especially since, at least for me, this was the general idea for why Tartarus was named tartarus in Legacy

[lethal moat]

That’s fair, Tartarus likely has lots of creation stuff, I just haven’t seen what I think to be sufficient evidence for it yet

[acoustic osprey]

we knew things were made there
but what made AE call Tartarus Tartarus? At least, from what we could guess.
The containment part
a creature, especially one made from unnatural means, shouldn't be contained
which makes it a prison for the creature. Perfect choice to be named Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Both could be tied into the original mythos of Tartarus, because it is both creator of giants and the deepest layer of hades

[acoustic osprey]

knowing legacy exists as a pretty standpoint for things, especially with profiles
I am still going to generally believe there are links to creation. Or else Tartarus really seems very flaccid.
Especially since Don seems to be quite hyped with the idea of Tartarus- containment isn't very a big thing
we know traps/cages/holding-aspects exists outside of Tartarus. If containment was it's "big thing" then what makes its containment "so big"

[lethal moat]

I still think it’s specialized for something, the Augustus situation may be important enough to warrant Tartarus involvement for future creation and what not, but I think of Tartarus as the place for exceptions to rules or those who break them

[lethal moat]

I imagine this as the child friendly equivalent of Tartarus:

https://tenor.com/view/фуфелшмерцпакостин-фуфелшмерц-gif-25654193

[fast forge]

I have this vague theory that Tartarus isn't some deep holding cell, but rather it's just the wilds of the island

Like, in the Augustus video we see a bit showing Augustus destroying cameras, then it says they put it in Tartarus, then we see a live feed of a replication outside of H4

[icy niche]

Can someone give me a quick run down of the lore or somewhere where I can find it

[patent ginkgo]

Take a look at the pinned documents in here

[fast forge]

Correction: they said the "additional [Augustus] replications remain in Tartarus"

This suggests to me that they started in Tartarus

[patent ginkgo]

I’ve had this idea before as well but I faintly remember there being something disproving it. Can’t remember what tho

[icy niche]

Honestly I have no idea what Iam looking at in that document Information everywhere hard to grasp what’s going other than some existing Cyptids

[patent ginkgo]

Ok, I would absolutely explain stuff to you but I don’t have a whole lot of time rn. However, I would also recommend looking at Lightclaw’s recent lore video on YouTube, we also have a podcast on Spotify if you would like to listen to it

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
we know Gateway is a gateway to Tartarus

i don't think Tartarus is essentially the open nor on gateway itself.
it's an absurd theory though, not in a bad way, but it would match the sentiment, from Don, that we have no idea on what truly Tartarus is

however
I can far more see Tartarus being linked with "underground" aspects

no real point to really call the more wild location/unmonitored section "Tartarus" when there could be other aspects

especially since they seem to use Tartarus as a pseudo-threat of sorts

and was hard confirmed used for creation in legacy

i don't think Don would've went too far different when "redoing" Tartarus from legacy though

[fast forge]

Yeah, this theory just comes about from the weird weird phrasing in the Augustus vid

[acoustic osprey]

the first reference or second reference?

first being the threat towards the computer user
second referring to additional replications remaining in tartarus

[fast forge]

the second

it's ambiguously phrased

[acoustic osprey]

For me, taking both in consideration, it seems weird threatening your employees to "the wild"

a bit over the top

[fast forge]

they are in cages (hyper fences)

[acoustic osprey]

for me, at least, I don't really see how the second really refers to such though
heck, for me it seems to highlight more the fact that replications were replicated there

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
we know cages exist everywhere in the map

and, it's just a bit weird

feudal humiliation?

https://tenor.com/view/dead-pirate-boat-jack-sparrow-gif-23496851

if Gateway is the complete underworld
I'd see, though, the wild as more of an asphodel

grey, meaningless to the gods, an abyss of asphodel (tame and lame plantlife) itself

[fast forge]

Those are definitely just transport cages, not long-term housing

[fast forge]

and in my model it's not the entirety of the Gateway jungles that are classified as Tartarus, just specific paddocks and such

[acoustic osprey]

you're referring to the walkable hyper fences?

[acoustic osprey]

oh, I mean, more so, things that are not sectioned via the hyper fences/not used for specific testing like the biodomes

[fast forge]

#isle-phase-three message

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[fast forge]

yes, you said cages are scattered around the map, Don referred to those as transport cages

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

(I understand this part)

[fast forge]

the hyper fences would be the edges of Tartarus in this theory

what do you mean by walkable?

[acoustic osprey]

the ones you can walk in

the hyper fences

[fast forge]

oh the ones with internals

[acoustic osprey]

you can walk in them!!!

[fast forge]

I was thinking like, Augustus walking along the top of the fences or whatnot

[acoustic osprey]

the things inside or outside the hyper fence perimeter being Tartarus?

[fast forge]

Inside

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-duel-fight-knights-kid-gif-23992950

[fast forge]

Oh wait, do you mean inside as in physically in the interstitial portions of the fence, or inside as in the areas contained by the fence?

I was referring to containment

[acoustic osprey]

the ones where there's a little entrance and you can walk inside the hyper fence

#isle-lore-theories message
i thought that's what you were alluding to with

(hyper fences)

[fast forge]

yeah that's not really what I meant with Tartarus, I meant the areas contained by the fence, fenced-in by the fence

Not like, the human access built into the fences

[fast forge]

to be fair, it's also a bit weird to threaten your employees with being locked in a deep underground bunker named after a section of the greek underworld

supervillain behavior

[lethal moat]

Not if it’s a part of the NDA, when hacker brought it up, Dondi responded with “expatriation” which fits into the box of “relocation and lineage displacement”

They know the consequences, it’s not a threat, it’s an agreement

[patent ginkgo]

QA members will be expatriated if they leak stuff

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-badger-division2-gif-patterson-fire-a-warning-shot-gif-22721331

[fast forge]

My point was only that these two ideas are equally silly

They are both over the top

[lethal moat]

Go big or go home

[pseudo fable]

Without context, it really is the worst.

[lethal moat]

What’s the context?

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bjimN.gif

[lethal moat]

Alright, I’m going to ask something very different, could you tell us anything about other islands than Gateway?

[hexed forge]

Airstrip on the south island

[lethal moat]

[unborn knot]

Are spiders apart of lore

[unborn knot]

No, its not silly. It makes sense, these people... They ARE gen 1's.

[hybrid wagon]

He comes says one thing and leaves

[fast forge]

Nearly every time someone says AE is doing terrible things, you make the point that they are not strictly evil, cartoonish villains. So what is the context for Tartarus here?

Is Tartarus a punishment?
Is Tartarus cold storage?
Is Tartarus imprisonment?
Is Tartarus an ongoing experiment? (a la Aperture Science-style testing)
Is Tartarus a reward?

I think the mythological associations are what make people assume it is imprisonment/punishment, but time and time again we get Don coming in to remind us that AE are not supervillains. So what is the purpose of Tartarus?

[acoustic osprey]

We know the similar happens with military contractors

[lethal moat]

I’m mainly using this: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1241983941104111617/image0.jpg?ex=664cd7ee&is=664b866e&hm=9858c469eaab13073d73f37871de291ab8e29df500900eb2a904f711904da945&

[acoustic osprey]

The thing is though

The term relocation

Seems very anti aggressive

More so
You're now confined to this more restricted and secluded work space

Rather than you're left in the open wild above ground or simply trapped in a cage

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-that-just-sounds-like-slavery-with-extra-steps-slave-rick-morty-gif-18016630

[acoustic osprey]

You broke the rules
But you know too much.

You still work for us

[lethal moat]

House arrest except at work

[hexed forge]

Everysingle action that you make, is noted.

[fast forge]

But that's the thing, I'm saying the open wild isn't just wilderness, it's testing

[strange kayak]

what if the isle came to Fortnite 😮

[fast forge]

I feel like Don has repeatedly told us that it's not that simple

[hexed forge]

Are you saying that Tartarus is Gateway?

[lethal moat]

Gateway’s whole thing was that it was the gateway to Tartarus, I feel like there’s more to it

[lethal moat]

I mainly said it for the meme

[hexed forge]

Yea

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/swarm-the-hunger-games-mockingjay-part2-attacking-horde-mutts-gif-16225271

[strange kayak]

exactly

[hexed forge]

no

[fast forge]

In this theory I'm saying that the fenced-in sections of above-ground gateway are tartarus, yes

[hexed forge]

But Gateway essentially is the gateway to tartarus, how could that make sense.

[fast forge]

Because it's only certain sections

The logic stems from the phrasing in the Augustus vid, saying Augustus itself was entombed, that "replications remain in Tartarus", and yet we see a climbing herrera in the second portion of the video

[hexed forge]

But how would then the relocation make sense, you are just playing your scientists into the fenced-in dino areas to die?

[hexed forge]

The Replications are after the video footage.

[fast forge]

the first footage, the second set of footage is live

[hexed forge]

Hmm, let me check.

[hexed forge]

Hmmm, yes its live.

But then, the time period between the live and the report is short. Since we still see the cameras are broken around the base. Meaning that the herrera can still be Augustus, it could just be the morning after the incident

[fast forge]

but the archived footage already said it was entombed

[hexed forge]

It was SET for entombment, its not entombed yet.

[fast forge]

the language is ambiguous in this regard

[lethal moat]

I don’t think so

[fast forge]

Let me frame it this way: What are the known locations for Augustus specimens?

[hexed forge]

"174 was selected by management for OLYMPUS relocation and entombment"

This is future tense no? Not past.

[fast forge]

could easily be past or future tense

[lethal moat]

Could be a last line of security for escaping things, but I think the fences are their own thing

[hexed forge]

So that could be AUGUSTUS outside of H4 on the live in the morning.

[hexed forge]

How tho, it cant be past

[fast forge]

"was selected" doesn't really sound like future tense to me

At the very least, the action of selecting is past tense

[hexed forge]

The decision is past tense, meaning the decision was already done. However the STATUS of AUGUSTUS is Future tense

Ehh, actually, im not sure anymore. But I still believe thats AUGUSTUS on the live.

But if it is past tense why did they not fix the damn cameras

[fast forge]

That's a pretty short window for our unknown viewer to see the archived footage, but Augustus hasn't been captured

[fast forge]

because sometimes it takes some time for a technician to make repairs

[hexed forge]

Almost 19 hours, he could be just doing his job and checking recent reports.

[fast forge]

I'd even say capturing Augustus is a bigger priority than fixing the cameras

[hexed forge]

Maybe they had trouble to track AUGUSTUS down maybe, hiding in the trees and maybe killing the employees.

Especially since most of the time after the incident was complete night and darkness

About 8 hours of darkness till morning

But then they had 11 hours to capture him, which couldve been difficult.

[fast forge]

idk I'm not tied to this theory, it was just a line of thought because that one line of text in the Augustus vid seemed weird

[hexed forge]

And AUGUSTUS broke through into the H4 area by climbing ofcourse, which was not expected by AE. Therefore why would they release replications in the wild if they still dont even have the tech to prevent similar incidents to AUGUSTUS

So I dont think Tartarus would be gateway..(The surface)

[lethal moat]

I think it’s either on/underneath or only accessible from Gateway

[hexed forge]

I believe underneath.

[lethal moat]

I’m currently of the same opinion

[hexed forge]

And Tartarus is accesible by 3 enterance points right? Or is that Olympus.

[fast forge]

It's still potentially contained in the overall area by hyper fences (assuming the entire metal part of the fence is electrified, not just the cables)

[hexed forge]

Then how did Augustus get out

Same way the replications would

[fast forge]

get out? Augustus escaped?

[hexed forge]

How else would it get to H4

[fast forge]

because H4 is in the middle of a paddock

[hexed forge]

According to the current fence structure, the bases are fenced out from the dino areas.

[hexed forge]

Its not tho

[fast forge]

No? I looked for that specifically when you did the fence examination

And that's why I was pointing out that most of the external human buildings are on the coast, and the stations we have now are just stations

[hexed forge]

West access doesnt even have fences tho

[fast forge]

right now

[hexed forge]

And also all/most bases are FENCED OUT from the dino areas. So why would H4 not follow the same thing..

Especially since its placed right on the coast too, according to the grid....

[fast forge]

it's hard to say if they are internal/external to the paddocks

[hexed forge]

Its not

[lethal moat]

Could be both

[fast forge]

yeah K15 is kinda on the border

I12 is probably inside a pen?

[hexed forge]

H4 is on the coast and next to a giant cliff, why would that be in a paddock.

ALSO

West access was said to be more human structures than a dino area.

[hexed forge]

That depends, I have a feel that Highlands isnt a dino area

[fast forge]

Did someone say West Access will have a lot of human structures? I'd love to have confirmation on that because I've theorized that for a while

[hexed forge]

I think punch did, lemme find it

[lethal moat]

I’m thinking if you have an animal, you could do experiments in relative isolation with the fences, in reference to other things of similar levels, fences could be separators for apexes or something

[hexed forge]

You could see here how there are a bunch of fences/gates going along the riverdelta, both in a position indicating that I12 is outside the pen.

[hexed forge]

Cant find it but @kindred bobcat Talked about it a lot so maybe he does.

[kindred bobcat]

I do?

[hexed forge]

Today in petits you talked about west access having more human stuff, said that devs said so

[kindred bobcat]

I don’t have any quotes but I’m 100% certain the devs have said west part of the map will be human focused and have a big dock

[hexed forge]

Dock? I dont think dock

[kindred bobcat]

Let me clarify, there will be a big dock

[fast forge]

oh yeah I remember hearing something about the western half of the map getting human structures, but not the peninsula "West Access" specifically

[kindred bobcat]

Oh right.. against those guys who say that whatever the devs do is and and they should have downed the opposite and oh how the devs don’t know to plain out their game

[hexed forge]

On a Dondi stream, Dondi did point out west access/NW ridge.

[fast forge]

I figured more of it will be in southwest

[kindred bobcat]

Oh me neither

[hexed forge]

Leaving a possibility that this area could be all human.

[fast forge]

human structures explain why so much of the west is just big empty

west rail access will almost certainly have stuff

[hexed forge]

And Dondi specifically pointed out this area.

[fast forge]

I feel like we'll get stuff down here too - what's that road going to?

[hexed forge]

I went there as beipi yesteday actually ahaha, possibility of docks.

[fast forge]

(not the end of the road specifically, just access along the road)

[hexed forge]

Those rocks could be foundation for a fence. Enclosing south plains and fencing out the coast.

[fast forge]

I love this area, and want to see it fixed. Right now it's a beautiful wasteland

no food, no water

[hexed forge]

Ey there is water

[fast forge]

there's the west access pond

[hexed forge]

And grass could count as food!!!

[fast forge]

those cliffs seem perfect for herrera and ptera, but there are no fish

[hexed forge]

Either way IM CERTAIN that Augustus broke in, and that H4 was not in the middle of an enclosure, there is too much evidence to deny.

[hexed forge]

West access pond has fish, and the beach has like 200 turtles.

You could possibly live a healthy life as herrera or petera

[fast forge]

I've argued for this for a few months now...
#general-feedback message

[hexed forge]

I tried as ptera, lived for a bit, and then fish randomly never spawned again. Got bored of turtles, comit suicide ahaha

[hexed forge]

But technically THERE IS FOOD AND FISH And water!

[fast forge]

Do you mean turtles here? Or further south?

[hexed forge]

Yes

Not my SS but

[fast forge]

I have tried to get turtles to spawn there on five different occasions, cannot get them to spawn. I've had other people tell me there's lots of turtles there - I've seen screenshots! Still can't get them myself

[hexed forge]

Did you sit on the beach?

[fast forge]

Yes

[hexed forge]

hmm, for how long

[fast forge]

I've seen them spawn further south, near west rail access, but not up at WE

[hexed forge]

Heres proof of fish

[fast forge]

long enough, I've waited for coastal AI many many many many many times

[hexed forge]

Unlucky I guess

[fast forge]

Yes I know fish spawn at that pond (although it's more rare now because you might get boar or deer on land in the area instead)

[hexed forge]

Anyways lets talk lore again now.

[fast forge]

I've waited for coastal AI at almost all of these beaches

(they don't spawn)

[pale marsh]

If we're getting all these Greek myth counterparts (echidna, karkinos, etc) what else do you wager well end up getting?

[hexed forge]

I thought you said Kratos

[pale marsh]

Cool video game kratos or less cool myth cratos

[spring pebble]

i wish the coast was more active they should add some things to make it more survivable and active around the coast

[fast forge]

from what I understand, it's a thing the devs have planned down the line

[lethal moat]

Io could be fun

[lethal moat]

Saltwater mutations going to put deino in some wacky places

[hexed forge]

Does the border make it ugly?

[spring pebble]

great idea also i just realised im in the lore theories chat

why that took forever to type idk

[spring pebble]

have you heard anything im curious

[hexed forge]

Good or horrible

[fast forge]

I think Don mentioned a coastal update offhand or something. I think players and devs both know that the coasts need a little work

[fast forge]

the text portion feels a bit clunky

the images look great to me

[hexed forge]

Yeye I just noticed some stuff, altering them right now.

A bit too much information

[fast forge]

Is this after video footage of the attack?

[hexed forge]

Yes

[fast forge]

And why are you mentioning a third deinosuchus, if there were only two involved? Focus on the topic - the two deinos involved in the attack. Also it's more interesting if it's a mystery as to how many are out there

[hexed forge]

Well I guess its important to know to see if there were any other Deinosuchus's involved in the drowning of the stego. Underwater atleast.

[hexed forge]

So I cross out the 3?

[fast forge]

What important info is this text box giving to the audience, that's not shown in the video?

Why would a researcher include it, on top of the video?

[hexed forge]

Weight and growth status.

Oh wait, I should alter the first sentence, its a bit useless.

[fast forge]

So just specifying the deino was an adult male, and the stego was 6 tons?

[hexed forge]

Si

Oh well, I could add on the weight of the deino.

Or wait, there is another section planned. Where it shows more info about the deinosuchus

hm

Crossed out the three just now

[fast forge]

Going over the Augustus footage, our first text blurb after the first bit of video is this:

[hexed forge]

Tried matching that style with this

[fast forge]

Because the video is so quick and blurry, the text highlights what we might not have been able to see

But it doesn't reiterate what the video showed, it just explains it

[hexed forge]

And in my thing, the viewer didnt know how much Deinos were involved in the drowning, and the weight of the stego, and the growth is kind of hard to tell from afar(Because of the shadow/fog)

Altered more

[fast forge]

"After initial review, researchers believe that a roughly 6-ton stegosaur was attacked and pulled underwater by a deinosuchus of unknown size and proportions. Prior to this event it was believed impossible for a deinosuchus to drown prey of this size."

[hexed forge]

More

[hexed forge]

hmmm

[fast forge]

As always, use as much or as little of that as you want

[hexed forge]

But then why are you restating the deinosuchus drowning the stegosaurus? And also the Anomalous behavior is documented on another slide btw.

That sounds more of a summary than documentation, or not, I have no idea.

[fast forge]

You are clarifying what happened in the footage (just like the augustus vid), with the added detail that the deino's size/weight is unknown

Also this impresses on the viewer that it was a particularly large stego

I also add the opinions of the researchers into the mix, for flavor

[hexed forge]

I think I will include that on the next slide.

[fast forge]

well you had it here, I dunno

[hexed forge]

Is this good

[fast forge]

Use "an" in place of "the" in the beginning

[hexed forge]

Alr

[fast forge]

"An unidentified Deinosuchus was able to lunge and drown an Adult Stegosaurus"

[hexed forge]

Is lunge the appropriate word? Im not sure if Im correct on that one.

[fast forge]

Also I wouldn't capitalize "adult" or deino/stego

Herrerasaurus is not capitalized

[hexed forge]

ahh ff, I always capitalize them by accident when typing

[hexed forge]

I get the "adult" But I find it weird that the species name isnt capitlized

[fast forge]

eh not really? I wouldn't usually use lunge in this kinda situation, probably just "attack"

[fast forge]

It's because you're not giving it as a scientific name, it's the common name

It's like calling a dog "C. familiaris" or just a dog

In this instance they are both the same word (deinosuchus), but one is used more casually than the other

I feel like I'm explaining this poorly...

In the Augustus vid, they are talking about a specific herrerasaurus, not the genus Herrerasaurus

[hexed forge]

hmm

[hexed forge]

I feel like if I use "attack" the context would make it look like that a Deino couldnt attack a stego at all before. Atleast in the context of my current text.

[fast forge]

then just take the "lunge and" out entirely

[hexed forge]

That could work

[fast forge]

"An unidentified deinosuchus was able to drown an adult stegosaurus"

[hexed forge]

Yep

Thanks for the help

[spring pebble]

this is a cool thing ur doing

[fast forge]

np

[hexed forge]

Video Project

[acoustic osprey]

That may not be an additional replication
But rather natural off spring

Alongside
The term uses "additional"
Which could mean it is replications made post trial (as in after they tested replications showed the same behaviour)

[hexed forge]

Or that could just be AUGUSTUS again

[acoustic osprey]

Might be
Still yet prior to be moved

[hexed forge]

The LIVE cam footage

[hexed forge]

Hmm

yea

[acoustic osprey]

However I don't believe it's of Tartarus

Seeing as that's at H6

Which is not connected to any fences

yet

[hexed forge]

Tiny was saying how Tartarus could be gateway(The entire surface)

Which, I dont think is true

[hexed forge]

Also the West access/NW ridge is supposed to have human stuff right? Well then- (Let me draw smthn rq)

[acoustic osprey]

Well
They said they want the more unused areas as an idea to place more human stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Not the entire surface
But the fenced off areas

Which I don't believe
There seems to be a clear distinction between Gateway as a place and Tartarus as a place

[hexed forge]

Which is weird if you think about it, because then, AE would basically just be sending their employees into a random area full of dinosaurs.

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows what the situation is with Gen2s though with AE on the islands

[hexed forge]

Or wait, do you mean the areas with dinos or the bases?(Bases being external/fenced off)

[hexed forge]

Another fence prediction

[acoustic osprey]

The perimeters made by the hyper fences is what Tiny is talking about

[hexed forge]

So outside or inside the "Perimeter"(made by the fences)

[acoustic osprey]

Perimeter of an area is referring to the specific area within

[hexed forge]

So, not in the area with bases, just the dino sectors.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

And potentially k15 being within a Perimeter

[hexed forge]

K15 counts as outside the perimeter since it can only be accessible via the outside area.

[hexed forge]

So then its just weird, why would they send their employees to die.

[lethal moat]

Or helipad or climbing

[acoustic osprey]

Woops

[lethal moat]

Lol

[hexed forge]

If they are being relocated to tartarus(Gateway in this context) they wouldnt have a heli really. Since its a punishment?

And the cliff is too steep to climb at all

[acoustic osprey]

@hexed forge

[hexed forge]

Hmm

[acoustic osprey]

The same with employees

However
Yeah
I don't see these areas being Tartarus, personally

[hexed forge]

Yeah same

I think I now have a sudden urge to make a fence prediction on the entire map-

[lethal moat]

Dew it

[hexed forge]

I try

[fast forge]

I don't think it's particularly likely, it just came as an extrapolation of

|
"...additional replications remain in Tartarus."

"Media playback complete."

"Loading Monitoring Camera
System Overview [Area GW_H4]..."
|

And then we see a climbing herrerasaurus

BUT

[fast forge]

It also doesn't seem likely that the user in the Augustus vid is accessing this info the same day as the incident, as they give multiple dates in the video

and this text here mentions subsequent replications in addition to natural offspring

[hexed forge]

Could be 2 different days, seeing as how there has been 19 hours since the incident and the live. 9 PM to 4 PM. But im not sure.

[fast forge]

Seems much more likely it's more than two days apart. If it happened today, and the footage is being accessed today, who prepared this info in such a short amount of time? And why give us two dates?

[hexed forge]

On X all replications blah blah blah started and as of Y AUGUSTUS has been selected for OLYMPUS relocation and entombment

[hexed forge]

So in my theory, the footage is being accessed on the day after, specifically 4 PM, 19 hours after the incident occured.

A company like AE surely takes less than a day to complete a report like this. And why give two dates? Well because this report is being archived permanently. Meaning dates are needed instead of using the terms like "today".

There is a chance of it not being too far apart.

[fast forge]

And in that 19 hours they already made the decision to re-base their development on this template? It all seems much more simple if everything is spread out

I really can't say if they'd have this complex of a report in less than a day, but doesn't seem likely to me

and why are we trying to get this to fit on a short time frame anyway? I forgot that point entirely

[lethal moat]

Could be that another place was already more specialized in what was needed, so they just shifted the thing to a different division

[fast forge]

Just feels like we are making a lot of exceptions for a premise that doesn't get us anywhere

[hexed forge]

Im so lost rn

So, you said that the herrera on the live was what? A replication or an offspring of AUGUSTUS.

Trying to retrace my thinking here

[fast forge]

idk something like that

maybe it was just saying there are climbing herreras out on the island, as well as in tartarus

[hexed forge]

This entire section right here confuses me, since in order for them to re-base their operations on AUGUSTUS, they would need to Entomb/relocate Augustus beforehand, or in other words capture him. UNLESSSS

This was just a decision that was announced by the heads of AE. And didnt mean that it instantly started right after the decision was made.

Those 2 dates have to be the same date..

And if its not, then it has to be during the time period of 11 PM-next day in order for it to count as 2 different days.

Which makes sense with-

[fast forge]

They do not have to be the same date, or even close to each other

What makes you decide that?

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Well

[fast forge]

those dates could be years apart, nothing in this suggests those two events had to happen close together

[hexed forge]

In order for them to Re-base their operations on Herrera, they would have to capture and entomb augustus first. It would seem weird on how they announced the decision to replicate AUGUSTUS and then actually select Augustus for entombment days or even weeks later.

[fast forge]

They don't have to entomb anything, maybe they just stuck it in a cage until the heads made a decision

[hexed forge]

They do if they want to replicate the climbing capabilities.

Want to replicate climbing > In order to replicate you need to entomb > Entomb Augustus

The last part wouldnt make sense if this was weeks apart.

Some slow ass heads in AE if it took them that long..

[hexed forge]

In order for this to make sense these decisions couldve been made hours apart or maybe a day.

[fast forge]

you don't know that at all

[hexed forge]

After all these are DECISIONS, not the completion of them

Wdym

[fast forge]

You can't say with any certainty how long or short a decision like this would take because we don't even know how AE as a company is structured, who makes a decision like this, how slow their project turnaround could be, etc.

We know nothing about this company, you can say very little with certainty

[hexed forge]

It just feels weird to make a decision to replicate something before even entombing it- It doesnt make sense especially if its a long period.

[fast forge]

Yes, ideally they would capitalize and a new resource ASAP, but practically? I have no idea

[hexed forge]

Its like you wanting to erase something on a piece of paper before even writing something down.

[fast forge]

We don't even really know what entombment is!

We have logical guesses

[hexed forge]

90% of the convos here are theories and not 100% fact

[hexed forge]

Yeah one of the logical guesses being that you need to entomb something to replicate-

[valid geyser]

And 10% is random weird stuff..

[hexed forge]

Potato

[fast forge]

But like, I'm not going to assume all the Augustus footage, timeline, and video access are occurring within a 48 hour period based on the business management style of a company for which we know nearly nothing

[hexed forge]

Im guessing under 24 hours, just an opinion tho

[fast forge]

For all we know, entombment is an extra special method of containment - long term biodata storage, cryo tanks and stuff. Very different from this

[robust ether]

[fast forge]

Thinking about this line, we are given the idea of three (four?) possible locations for these herreras:

• Wherever Augustus started

• Entombed (T.O.M.B.?)

• Tartarus

• "Relocated" may or may not refer to entombment

My theory earlier was that "Wherever Augustus started" was the same as Tartarus

[hexed forge]

TOMB is involved with EIPs and Data

[fast forge]

But even outside that idea, it's interesting to think they sent herreras all over the place after this incident

[hexed forge]

Entombment is basically being put into the database?

Allowing replication

[hexed forge]

What do you mean

[fast forge]

nvm

[hexed forge]

Augustus started where any other dino/EIP would tho

[fast forge]

yes, that's what I was saying in that theory

that the dino spaces were tartarus

a testing ground

when they injected diabloceratops onto the island, they were injecting them into tartarus

That was that theory

[hexed forge]

Then it wouldnt make sense with the employee relocation

Why would they throw their employees off in the middle of the NE grasslands..

[fast forge]

yes it would, it would be a punishment equivalent to turning them into D-class

Except they can survive it

[hexed forge]

mm

[fast forge]

(If EIP's even carry over data from each life)

For all we know it's just reloading from the same save file a bunch of times

[lethal moat]

I think it’s just imprisonment, I wouldn’t trust somebody who leaked confidential information with anything

[fast forge]

If they are stuck in a troodon that dies if it leaves the island, what is that person going to do?

[hexed forge]

Do what AUGUSTUS did

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

[hexed forge]

Learn how to climb as a troodon and break the cameras

[fast forge]

So Augustus was just a disgruntled employee?

[hexed forge]

Dondi confirmed that yes

[fast forge]

No replicator puppet here

[hexed forge]

I wonder why he is in agony

THE CONTRACT IS TORTURE, PEOPLE IM TELLING YOU

[valid geyser]

Ouch

[lethal moat]

Debatable, also, they aren’t people anymore silly goose

[fast forge]

I remember that, I did not take it as confirmation. I was really confused which way that gif was leaning.
Was the gif like
"Oh yeah you got it"
or a sarcastic
"Oh yeah you got it"

[hexed forge]

"people" is being directed at lorechat

[valid geyser]

Guh..
But imagine if they were.. outside of lore theories but just imagine if there was still some speck of humanity in there.
Humanity with heaaavy doses of animal instincts.
Like the “human” can still see everything that’s going on but practically has little control as instincts take over.

That’d be horrifying.

[hexed forge]

The first one!

[hexed forge]

Did you take your pills today

[valid geyser]

[hexed forge]

What do you mean by outside of lore theories and still some speck of humanity in there, where?!?!?!

[valid geyser]

Nono-
I was just tryna say it’s not a theory I’m tryna build, just a silly “oh but imagine if”

[hexed forge]

mm

[valid geyser]

Like if you were still in there and had to only be able to watch or see the aftermath of catching a silly human..
Or being caught in a hunt.
Or being grabbed by a deino-
So on so forth

Not a theory of mine, just a silly random thought

[fast forge]

It's a thought I've considered before, quite creepy

I don't even know any more...

[lethal moat]

Grammar matters

[valid geyser]

If it ever turns out to be true I’m gonna give a quetz a pat on the head.
And forget to do that before I ever do

[hexed forge]

That's mb

[lethal moat]

My point still stands, it would only be animal cruelty, not torture

[hexed forge]

Tha- no- wha-

I- I will just...

[fast forge]

Perhaps they get them on a technicality

Or going with my "save file" theory.. it's just an electronic copy of a real person's mind

So not you you, but another you, put inside the body of a dinosaur

And if you signed away the rights to copies of you, those copies wouldn't have rights, right?

[fast forge]

do copies of people inside animals get around animal cruelty laws?

[lethal moat]

Are they still people, or are they animals?

[fast forge]

Perhaps that legal gray area allows AE to do what they are doing

[lethal moat]

Riddle me that one batman

[lethal moat]

Perhaps

[fast forge]

Are they even people if they are electronic copies of real people who are walking around, working for AE?

[lethal moat]

They could qualify as a reservation if they try to do as little interaction with possible, and it’s only animals interacting with animals for the most part

Or human intervention for the betterment of the animals

[valid geyser]

If my little random thought had any impact, if the person can still watch but is only controlled by animal instincts, how do you prove that?
If they look and act only like animals, why should anyone suspect them to be anything different?

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

But we know the off springs and non-"additional" replications exist in Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

But it wouldn't be on the same date? The second date could be of any period after the first date

[fast forge]

that was the point I was making

Cerato was saying it all happened on the same day for some reason

[acoustic osprey]

You have lived 1000 lives, mostly or fully as a dino
In what way might the one life as a human give the most impact
It would be heavily diluted to the point where you may not even remember you are

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know* about the off springs and non additional replications

[acoustic osprey]

No
Cera was referring to the second date

[fast forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

No he meant the whole event and dates afterward happened within a short time period, and I was saying we don't know for sure

[acoustic osprey]

He was never really sure with all he said within that conversation

[fast forge]

my point was that it doesn't make that big of a difference anyway

[acoustic osprey]

Like this

[acoustic osprey]

Continued with this

[fast forge]

Okay if it all happened in a short time period, why does that make a difference worth talking about?

[acoustic osprey]

You'd still report dates when official actions take place or just general related events take place

Looking at errant 291

[lethal moat]

Dates makes things too easy

[lethal moat]

What if gen 1 sacrifice is about EIPs rather than about the bodies

[pale marsh]

thats, giving me an idea, but i cant promise its coherent

something, along the idea of, using gen1 to clean up/retrieve rougue eips

give them somekind of instinctual drive to sacrifice things to, the replicator ig? and drop em and lettem get to work?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

Reduce reuse recycle

[tiny cypress]

so from what ive read i have come to the conclusion that when you safelog your dino is put in a box.

[lethal moat]

How so?

[tiny cypress]

that box may or may not be comprised of magical cardboard

[lethal moat]

I’m intrigued, keep running with this idea

[tiny cypress]

so in metal gear solid the guy hides in a box
when we safelog we are just put in that same kind of box that makes him impossible to see

thats all i got

[lethal moat]

I like it 👍

[tiny cypress]

box 👍

[steel summit]

so what kind of spell is used to make it?

[tiny cypress]

orange flavored

[steel summit]

tasty

[tiny cypress]

and magic!

[steel summit]

what does it smell like?

[tiny cypress]

cardboard i would presume

[hexed forge]

It's to find out the Herrera that's in the live. Is it Augustus, a replication, or an offspring.

[grand sigil]

This might be a bit extreme for a theory, but:
If the sites (Islands) have similar origins to legacy lore (Manmade/terraformed islands), is it possible AE could have used volcanos like the one on Gateway to create the sites?

[patent ginkgo]

Do you mean in the sense that they stimulated a volcano to erupt continuously until it formed an island?

[grand sigil]

^

[patent ginkgo]

Now that is certainly an interesting idea

[grand sigil]

Yeah

[patent ginkgo]

Especially considering their roots in climate change

[grand sigil]

OMG TRUE

[patent ginkgo]

Because volcanic eruptions are documented to reduce global temperatures within at least a small time frame, wonder if that was something that AE tried to take advantage of

[grand sigil]

Also I had an idea about how the domes and climate change could be connected
AE testing artificial atmosphere control or something

[grand sigil]

@lethal moat not to brag or anything but I'm the best um uh isle lore theory maker guy

[patent ginkgo]

That’s also a cool idea, perhaps simulating how ecosystems will survive in certain predicted climate situations

[grand sigil]

YES

I'm not talking full on christmas snow globes when I say that btw
Moreso just very mild differences

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I mean experimental stuff right

[grand sigil]

Yeah

[patent ginkgo]

Like 1 degree warmer or such

Just small intervals

Also interesting, potentially testing the effects of artificial changes to the atmosphere in terms of, say, aerosols