isle-lore-theories

[sonic rampart]

Also sounds like Exo resets from Destiny

[fast forge]

certainly there's other characters in other media that have similar paths

[lethal moat]

You're slipping over the edge David

Cyberpsychosis for EIPs, except it's for biological bodies

[fast forge]

oh was this a cyberpunk reference? I only saw that series once

[lethal moat]

mhm

[fast forge]

but yeah, the ship of theseus argument and all that

George R R Martin's work is interesting in that he brings hive minds into the concept

In 'A Song for Lya' two psychics are sent to investigate an alien religion that is centered around becoming one with a fungus. When they scan the minds of converts who haven't 'joined', they see only blissful joy. Lya (one of the psychics) eventually joins the fungus and Jon (the other psychic) receives dreams of her telling him to come join them in blissful union. A colleague suggests that maybe it is not Lya, but a psy-lure by the fungus to convince people to join it, and her personality is already lost amidst the hivemind. Jon leaves the world unsure about the true nature of the fungus - was it a real tangible heaven, or a hungry predator?

It would be interesting if EIP's tied into this in some fashion. A shared digital consciousness perhaps? The singularity? Where do you begin and others end?

Or even in the concept of 'thousand lives' - is the "you" that you were before the same person as the "you" that lived a life as a herrerasaurus? If returned to humanity, would you be the same person? Likely not.

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-talking-gif-24637905

That's chaos theory

[lethal moat]

The thing is

The slipping consciousness of an EIP fits really well with actual gameplay

When I started, I took pity on small things, now I instictually lash out when I see something moving in the grass

[fast forge]

lol

I still don't attack juvies tbh

[lethal moat]

And then there's also just learning to rely on feeling, like if something doesn't feel right, it probably isn't

[fast forge]

playing the isle changes you

[lethal moat]

Eh, depends what they're doing, I won't run the down if I'm not hungry, but I'll scare them off

[fast forge]

If I need food and they can actually solve that problem (i.e. the size difference isn't large) I'll attack

[lethal moat]

But yeah, learning to play the game fits with EIPs decently well

[ornate comet]

What does EIP stand for

[hexed forge]

I remember when I hated the idea of EIP.. but now its great

[hexed forge]

Embryo intelligence profile

[fast forge]

I do like the fun sci-fi question that don posed - what happens to our global society when they find out immortality exists?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-revolution-gif-11760395

I probably wouldn’t care, it seems like it’s new, untested, and probably has adverse side effects

That being said, if somebody came to me with the offer, I wouldn’t turn it down, but I don’t think I would actively seek it out

[fast forge]

I could certainly see the populace becoming upset if that immortality was only available to the rich and powerful

[ornate comet]

Putin wins his 72nd election by a landslide vote!

[lethal moat]

I was just thinking, how else are you supposed to make sure nobody else messes things up except to do it yourself

[pale marsh]

I will admit
The erratic behavior being a concept in lore as a form of psychosis is cool

[lethal moat]

We need to give it a name if it doesn’t already have one

[pale marsh]

Kinda like how In dark souls
You can
Technically become a mad hollow, by giving up on the game and not reopening it

[fast forge]

by creating a system that is efficient and impartial so that after you leave it can be assured things don't go awry

[lethal moat]

Poor lightclaw has some reading to do

[fast forge]

yeah

[lethal moat]

Where’s my money?

[pale marsh]

Lightclaw is DEAD

[lethal moat]

I think it’s just sleepy time

I vote we call the “psychosis thingy” sentience degradation

Because you lose sense of past self and focus on survival (I believe this is still partially theoretical or we are running with something else that was confirmed)

[pale marsh]

I wanna find a Greek myth analog for it

[lethal moat]

Who’s the dude werewolves are based off of, Lycan?

Lycaon

[pale marsh]

Lethe, was a river in the Greek underworld, where the dead could drink from it to forget who they were

[fast forge]

ooh

[pale marsh]

Also known as lesmosyne and ameles potamos

River in the Greek underworld

Tartarus

Ideas people!

I really hope im on to something

. . .

Imma pretend I didn't see that

[fast forge]

?

[pale marsh]

Hacked account posting suggestibe link

[fast forge]

oh I see

[fast forge]

I really like this idea, fun

[lethal moat]

Something else to remember, even if saving the world is AE’s primary motivator, they are still a company that needs profits to function, so they’re either leeching from the other Apollo companies or they’re big enough to fund both dinosaurs and whatever agriculture shenanigans they’re doing out in the world

Or they manage to squeeze profit out of dinosaurs while keeping them secret

[ionic sable]

If all of the corporations under the Apollo umbrella pull from the same finances that's not too bad, not really leeching, moreso just using collective excess funding on Apollo Engineering.

[lethal moat]

I don’t think the other corporations would see it that way, especially if they don’t know what’s going on with AE

“Why the hell does an agricultural company need 2+ islands and enough money to match the GDP multiple small nations.”

[fast forge]

perhaps this is the crux of some of the internal espionage to which Don has hinted

[pale marsh]

If
Apollo is as large as I assume it is

I doubt funding is an issue

They'd have
Virtually all the money in the world

[fast forge]

ah yes but it's not always easy to hide where money is going

[lethal moat]

Still, any diversion of funds is going to be met with skepticism

[ionic sable]

Sort of company to be limited by themselves rather than finances.

[fast forge]

Maybe Maia Milk just sells really well

[ionic sable]

So true

[lethal moat]

Poor spy just discovers Ben and calls it a day

[fast forge]

I'd like to see Mark play the isle, that would be fun

[lethal moat]

I’d like to see a lot of people play the isle

[fast forge]

Maybe we can convert Dan Avidan, he loves stegosaurus

[ionic sable]

I'd like for The Isle to be more enjoyable first, then let it gain all the exposure it deserves.

[fast forge]

that's a fantastic point

[lethal moat]

My first and second draft picks are RussianBadger and Zanny

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/Yifw.gif

[young viper]

#isle-lore-theories message 👀

[lethal moat]

The isle lego sets when

[pseudo fable]

That's a tough one.

[ionic sable]

Everlong

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spider-man-spider-man-peter-parker-gif-23359563

[young viper]

oh

[young viper]

Choose wisely

[pseudo fable]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve4i4iy-ag||

[ornate comet]

I swear every time someone mentions Ben I think for half a second “wait what me?” lol

Like as im scrolling by I see it for a single frame but it still jumps out at me

[lethal moat]

50/50 coin flip for Rick Roll, glad I took the chance

[young viper]

Okay, this was better than I expected actually.

[fast forge]

Went deep with it

[pseudo fable]

Maybe.

[young viper]

5:05 woah

[hexed forge]

"Set my spirit free"

EIPs begging to be released?

[lethal moat]

Doesn’t always have to be a lore thing

[hexed forge]

I overthink

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-overthinking-idea-dont-uderstand-problem-gif-9955372782358568798

[young viper]

I would say that he chose this song more for the feeling it conveys, but I can't explain it precisely even though I can understand why this song matches The Isle

[hexed forge]

Overthinking is fun

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-an-amazing-feeling-vincent-gcbs-great-canadian-baking-show-its-the-best-feeling-gif-23720016

[patent ginkgo]

Well I went to plant trees and missed the lore-ening

[fast forge]

the lorefather may still be here

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-marvel-small-price-gif-14188934

[lethal moat]

Damn

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-lost-him-charlie-hudson-hudson-and-rex-he-shook-us-off-lost-our-trail-gif-23973533

[fast forge]

Ending with that song is pretty classy, ngl

[patent ginkgo]

Just counted em up, 50 trees

[fast forge]

what kind?

[ornate comet]

The leafy variety

Or it could be pine idk

[hexed forge]

How long did it take?

[patent ginkgo]

Around 8 hours

[patent ginkgo]

Many

Non of them were ones we could see on gateway though

[fast forge]

temperate?

[patent ginkgo]

Mhm

Many conifers

[fast forge]

I love conifers

would love to see like, a bunya pine in the isle (not a pine)

[hexed forge]

7 trees per hour, nice.

[acoustic osprey]

Nice amount to read up on

[lethal moat]

Yep 👍

[acoustic osprey]

Shame I was asleep lol

[lethal moat]

I was thinking similar, you tend to give interesting views to things that I don’t think of

[fast forge]

agreed

[lethal moat]

My unga bunga brain only works when sleep deprived

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patchy-the-pirate-spongebob-nicktoons-call-huh-gif-16701115

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/idkwhyhelp-gif-22542236

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-upset-annoyed-stitch-ugh-gif-12794223972996305063

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/car-drift-turn-u-turn-road-gif-5252940

[lethal moat]

Thats 180 degrees

[hexed forge]

Potato Tomato

https://tenor.com/view/cars-gif-24051128

[fast forge]

diablo tomato

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

(we should definitely do this)

[lethal moat]

I’ll pull an all nighter, figure out how it works, and move it all over

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

Think in the big picture
A thousand lives isn't super long compared to however long you want to live
And those lives don't seem exceptionally long

also with this
Don doesn't seem just to give clues meaninglessly
Definitely something in this quote (presumably the beginning) is headed in the right direction

[hexed forge]

Is that a Don msg?

[lethal moat]

It’s a Rumple message

[acoustic osprey]

(DON)
That this particular group active I'm talking to right now believes that not only did some incident occur, but it affected all of the islands at once?
All islands just got dropped?

this as well seems pretty important as a reminder

Don — Today at 06:03
No one expected Dino Holy Wars did they?
Now look at you.
and this

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Man.

[lethal moat]

Man.

[hexed forge]

I actually didnt understand what Don meant in that section. I was so lost on what he meant

[acoustic osprey]

This as well with Augustus "doing his job"
Showing that these guys, whomever they are, for this "EIP mission/endgoal"
it definitely seems to be an astronaut case. They know what they've gotten up to. No matter how much they cry out in agony and pain: They must do their job.

[acoustic osprey]

2nd or 1st quote?

[hexed forge]

2nd

This entire section and under I was so lost

[acoustic osprey]

I mean.
Don in that time in the chat seemed to be quite so referring to ethical aspects of immortality with how EIPs/1000 life contract is

[lethal moat]

Moral shmoral give me lizard brain

[acoustic osprey]

Don questions:
How long do you think the secret of such a technology is kept ~ "Literal technological fountain of youth"

and follows up with two important parts:

How well do you think the average God fearing human would take that information?

Aka.
How would religiously afflicted peoples REACT to a literal fountain of youth existing.

and

No one expected Dino Holy Wars did they?
Now look at you.

Aka.
Don is likely referring to some sort of religious striking/attack as a possibility

it feels similar to Dune with robots/AI

a bit of prelude to such

[lethal moat]

Alright, can I keep the armor and work for AE?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/king-baldwin-gif-10960829910342338291

[lethal moat]

Time to listen to “The Last Stand” by Sabaton while theorizing

[hexed forge]

Thanks for the explanation

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-cat-jam-head-bounce-kitty-gif-17946989

[acoustic osprey]

no worries, should make more sense now

[hexed forge]

Yippeee

[knotty locust]

I remember reading somewhere that the human mind can only store like, 142 terabytes of information and memories, though I don’t know if it’s legitimate or not

which would play into the degradation aspect of the thousand year lifespan

[valid geyser]

How do I learn where my storage is at rn

[acoustic osprey]

let me tell you
it's above you

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

Wack

[knotty locust]

i jjst thought of something

okay so we know the gimmick behind the hypers and sorta also know it behind the neuro strain

and i just realised

if the EIPs are back on the table lorewise

what if the tisso strain was from EIP individuals forcibly manipulating themselves through mutation

or something akin to that

[lethal moat]

Eh

I feel strains are externally applied

Maybe tisso has more individuality

But that’s sort of the matriarch’s thing from what we’ve guessed

[pale marsh]

I like to think
After becoming a strain
Any shred of humanity is gone

[knotty locust]

for example, someone wanting to take revenge on the island's infrastructure after their first life of the contract, they return to a facility, inject themselves with the tisso strain, the reaper forms

very rough idea but you get the idea

but they lose themselves in the progress, and keep their hatred for AE

[lethal moat]

Even if humanity isn’t gone, starving to death constantly would be terrifying

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[knotty locust]

id like to know if the tisso strain has or has not changed from legacy

[acoustic osprey]

looking at someone like Echidna

luring in to kill humans

[lethal moat]

They don’t who they are or what they’re doing, but they know who’s fault it is

The dinosaurs make up a bulk of AE’s employees lol

[patent ginkgo]

i wonder if gateway was "abonded" because all the employees were turned into dinos lol

[knotty locust]

"damn this pseudo immortality sounds cool hell yeah ill sign it"

(gets placed in a hypsilophodon's body for the next 300 lifetimes)

[patent ginkgo]

[pale marsh]

Honestly, I doubt you'd be restricted to one dino

[lethal moat]

Yeah

Doesn’t make sense in gameplay

[knotty locust]

a bad roll of the dice lmao

[pale marsh]

As
I take it
EIPs is just a fancy way of saying you don't just control the dino as a player

You are the dino in universe

I'm gonna peel my skin off I hate the auto mod

[lethal moat]

That’s my assumption as well, except that dinosaur is a human mind in the dino body, explaining those behaviors

[pale marsh]

Yea
I'm saying you are that human mind

[lethal moat]

👍

[pale marsh]

Which
In turn would lead me to believe gen1 and 2 are also EIPs

But
I'd assume gen2 would have to be a seperate group from the dino/gen1 minds
Idk
Who knows

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 as reward, gen 1 as punishment

[pale marsh]

Eh

It makes more sense for the dinos and tribals to be a closed system of EIPs
To me atleast

But
Also
How tf
Do the minds get saved with memories intact on death? Some
Constant wireless backup system???

Am I expected to believe that whatever system is facilitating this on gateway is still functioning without maintenance?

Honestly Im skeptical the replicator could still be functionjng
Unless it's self repairing
Which is dumb
Or gen1 are able to somehow maintain

Again
Is dumb

Maybe the island hasn't been abandoned all that long

[lethal moat]

In game, you choose what to be and where
That’ll probably be limited somewhat, so there are some restrictions, but we’ll see how it ends up, but now that I actually use the brain, that theory wasn’t well thought out

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
You'd have to know of, somewhat, what you're doing if you're sending out short-range radio signals perfectly replicating human voices for a fake "SOS"

[hexed forge]

I wonder what the first msg of this channel was...

[fast forge]

buried at the bottom

TARTARUS

(errr, the top)

[hexed forge]

Found it.

[hexed forge]

I have reached tartarus

[fast forge]

Edit: oh

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/and-so-it-begins-lizard-dr-curt-connors-spider-man-no-way-home-here-we-go-gif-25179386

There has been a chat wipe back in 2018.. so.. we don't know the actual og lore channel...

https://tenor.com/view/theworldmayneverknow-idk-goodquestion-gif-5415227

[lethal moat]

They theorized correctly

[acoustic osprey]

ironic

[acoustic osprey]

i love monorail

[acoustic osprey]

Nah

that was just when Islecord migrated to the 2nd server

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-brick-lamp-gif-5715014

[acoustic osprey]

(this one)
first one was deleted

[acoustic osprey]

literally me!!

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[hexed forge]

Aye

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[acoustic osprey]

i hated that video when it was made
and I still hate it now

[hexed forge]

The spino video?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fast forge]

that dog has no torso

[lethal moat]

It’s great

[pale marsh]

he not built for these streets son

[lethal moat]

Where’s the velociraptor rick astley video?

https://youtu.be/yRKh34Ofg50?si=3FLvattJInbMBV0N

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[lethal moat]

No problem

[ornate comet]

this was so loud lmao

[dapper zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pass-the-lore-lore-nav-xo-taytay-gif-25554546

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/in-said-good-day-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-have-a-good-day-bye-leave-now-gif-21443425

[lethal moat]

We got some fun stuff

[dapper zodiac]

Yeee

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[pulsar moss]

Maybe the replicator "build" the mindless corps of the dino and then the EPI come in place and AE put the mind of the poor soul in the dino via unknow tech. And maybe after some time AE found a way to automatize the creation process and the replicator at that point didn't need anyone to create sentient lifeform and so didn't need AE employee anymore idk I just find this theory possible.

[lethal moat]

I think the replicator is the automization of the process

[pulsar moss]

So the epi is a part of the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

EIP is more so the individual
we just know Replicate replicates

in legacy, it put you (an EIP, your profile) into a body

[pulsar moss]

Yeah but they need a machine to transfer the mind into the body

and its not the replicator. tell me if im wrong

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's still the replicator

[pulsar moss]

Ok thanks for the clarification

[lethal moat]

I got some very basic stuff noted down, I'll figure stuff out and do more tomorrow

[acoustic osprey]

no worries
suppose we need more information for such anyways for Evrima though

[acoustic osprey]

not bad
is there some sort of project share thing as well?

this actually seems very handy
especially if it's interactive

[lethal moat]

Let me check

Looks like I can share that

But not something multiple people can work on at once

I am very new to the program though, so I could be wrong

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

I'll have a look as well later tonight then

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-eepy-gif-10295980600460052163

[acoustic osprey]

all right, got it all sorted

[faint raven]

is apatosaurus scrapped?

[acoustic osprey]

ask in #isle-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

did some changes
https://gyazo.com/1515af7c9b5a031954b026c5a202495c

should it for the time being
only wanted to be brief

[hexed forge]

The download is nothing

[acoustic osprey]

you have to use Obsidian for it

[hexed forge]

Ohhh right

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

Its not working, How do I insert the file

[nimble fractal]

I recently wondered how insane the lorecord is and then I come back here and see this stuff

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

[fast forge]

god I love eric andre

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-wahh-wild-go-gif-13490041

[lethal moat]

I just have a list of generic reaction gifs that I cut the scuff out of so my hand doesn’t slip and get me banned

[hexed forge]

Just unfavorite that gif

[lethal moat]

I did

[hexed forge]

Ah

[lethal moat]

Here's the final poll result

[hexed forge]

They are insane

Also they likely did it for the funny.. not seriously

[lethal moat]

I did it seriously

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[patent ginkgo]

Same

[fast forge]

I still don't know if it's torture

[hybrid wagon]

I mean we kind of do

[fallow harbor]

torture for immortality would js be hell, no ?

[lethal moat]

1000 lives isn't so long in the entirety of everything, as long as you're able to make it through those lives intact

[fallow harbor]

lives intact ? like there is a way were u cant live out the rest of your lives

[lethal moat]

I'm talking about mental intactness

[hexed forge]

The PTSD and the trauma will be real

[fallow harbor]

OHHHHHH

depends on what they do to me

maybe i will be desentized

or my concious will stop feeling pain because i know i will almost always come back

and the only reason we feel pain is to stop us from dying

but if dying isnt a problem, id assume i would feel way less pain then normal

[lethal moat]

Even then, the conditioning of living and dying would rewire how you think

[pale marsh]

You wouldn't be the same person
At all

[lethal moat]

Worth

[pale marsh]

Nobody is

Resilient enough to come out of that unchanged

[hexed forge]

Rumple you are insane or smthn

That is not worth it at all

[lethal moat]

Debatable

[pale marsh]

Your life is not like a movie fr

Rumple wouldn't exist by the end
It'd be someone else

[hexed forge]

The trauma will literally haunt you

[lethal moat]

I'm fine with that, I'll roll the dice

[hexed forge]

Not able to sleep, etc

[lethal moat]

I don't sleep anyway

[fallow harbor]

maybe there are some people who have so much knowledge they are scared to die and loose it all

[fallow harbor]

or they want to live long enough to see their knowledge/theories become real

[pale marsh]

It imma do anything for immortality
I wanna remain myself

[hexed forge]

[pale marsh]

Idc about the legacy of the new, verb dmged person after I snap

[hexed forge]

Trauma, pain, ptsd, etc. Not worth it at all

[lethal moat]

Sacrifices must be made

[pale marsh]

If I wanted a legacy I'd have kids

Not willingly put myself thru man made horrid beyond my comprehension for a form of immortality

[fallow harbor]

wasnt there like a clip of someone getting a transmission of like "the price you owe to apollo is more then 1000 lives" or smth like that ?

i think it was in legacy so it prolyl doesnt count anyore

i think don wrote it to xqc or gaming beaver

like in the legacy transmission thing

[hexed forge]

It's temporary immortality, that immortality being during the torture. So you can't even do anything with it outside your life

Idk how it can be worth it to someone unless they literally have nothing left in life and want to die

[lethal moat]

I'm him

[hexed forge]

You are not funny

[fallow harbor]

i think this mindset is why most people take the contract

[lethal moat]

Like I said, I wouldn't seek this out, but if someone offered, I wouldn't turn it down

[fallow harbor]

but then they get hit with the realization of it after like 3 lives and they start begging to be let out

[pale marsh]

Im
Way
Too tired to get into the philosophy of
You can't know that having ur mind put into multiple bodies across multiple lives is really you

Tldr

If you copy ur brain into another body
Who's YOU
What is YOU

[fallow harbor]

i think your mind is you

[hexed forge]

Augustus begging on the cameras

[pale marsh]

Is the new lives actually you
Or just something else with your experiences

[fallow harbor]

WAIT U GET PUT INTO A DINOSAURS BODY ??

[hexed forge]

Bro lived under a rock

[pale marsh]

Assuming theyd transfer your mind like how we transfer data files now.

[fallow harbor]

WAIT MAYBE EYVERTHING WENT BAD BECAUSAE THE PEOPLEW IN THE MONSTERS FOR THE 1000 LIVES WERE IN SO MUCH PAIN AND WERE TRYING TO GET REVENGE ON APPOLLO

[fast forge]

where? from what?

[pale marsh]

The new mind
Isn't the original
It's a copy
And the original was deleted

[hexed forge]

Oh

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hexed forge]

Holy crap TRUNK IS COOKING

[fallow harbor]

okay so people realize how bad the 1000 live contract is and then everytime they were put into a new monster/dino they would do anything to foil AE's plans

or maybe try and scream for help in ways like augusuts messing with the cameras

[lethal moat]

Maybe, or they lose themselves

[fallow harbor]

and they would try and survive as long as they can so they can spoil ae's plans for as long as possible and they get the most out of all of their lives

[fast forge]

seriously though, why is everyone so convinced that thousands lives is torture?

[fallow harbor]

so they turn the contract against AE

[fallow harbor]

and we are PLAYING AS A PERSON WHO IS SERVNG THE 1000 LIFE CONTRACT

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[hexed forge]

Not LITERALLY TORTURE

[fast forge]

why are y'all so convinced it's even bad at all?

[hexed forge]

You are being tested on, so you die a lot of times. That equals torture

[pale marsh]

Would you like being out an omnis body and made to livr as an animal amongst other animals

[lethal moat]

For the better good

[fallow harbor]

maybe they are being tested on in hopes of turning into one of the trinity

[pale marsh]

With all the pain and starvation that comes with

Only to die
And be thrust back into it over again

[hexed forge]

^ torture

[fast forge]

so soldiers in combat are being tortured? giving your life for something doesn't necessitate torture

[fallow harbor]

maybe in the 1000 life contract u get to pick what u serve as

WHICH IS WHY WE GET TO PICK WHAT WE PLAY

[pale marsh]

On top of whatever expirementions AE was doing
Cuz there's no way it was all observational

[hexed forge]

A thousand times. Is torture.

[fallow harbor]

BECAUSE WE ARE A PERSON SERVING THE 1000 LIFE CONTRACT

[hexed forge]

Once is not torture

[lethal moat]

That's the idea

[fast forge]

we don't know enough about the process to say this for certain

[fallow harbor]

i think this is the main draw for it

[fast forge]

AT ALL

[lethal moat]

I don't think it's the worst thing to happen

[pale marsh]

How many people who saw
Active combatz especially front line, and think of it fondly

[fast forge]

every comment Don made yesterday seemed to disagree with the "thousand lives = torture" hypothesis

[hexed forge]

I didn't see that

[hexed forge]

Ah a sip

[lethal moat]

I think there are ups and downs

[hexed forge]

The sip emoji could have been reacting to either mine, tiny's, or just to his own msg

[lethal moat]

Same, but it's fun to think about

[fast forge]

(just realized I was responding to really old comment)

[hexed forge]

Yippee

[fast forge]

He's not disagreeing with your hypothetical because that's not what's going on, we are missing part of the picture

[lethal moat]

It's ambiguous, life is what you make of it

[fast forge]

They know what they are getting into when they sign it

[hexed forge]

So basically like rumple

Oh look immortality for the greater good!! Sign me up!!

After 5 lives: "HELP MEEE"

[lethal moat]

Yeh

[hexed forge]

Si

[fast forge]

I don't know what the situation is, but I don't think it's that simple. My own theory is that EIP testing before gateway fell wasn't that bad of a job. But after gateway fell, the replicator kept pulling EIP's for work, even when things were really bad

The thing they signed up for changed, as the circumstances changed

[lethal moat]

mhm

[hexed forge]

I mean, the Dibble video was before gateway fell. And there the dibbles are hunted on, experiencing pain.

[fast forge]

we don't even know if those have people inside of them, they could be AI controlled or piloted remotely

[fallow harbor]

YES and they we the player are one of those people and are trying to reclaim the island so we can live in peace and not be tortured

[fast forge]

we just don't know the whole story enough to make judgment calls

[hexed forge]

If those are AI controlled than AE would just use AI instead of EIPs because then what's the point of getting into all that trouble to transfer an EIP

[fast forge]

different tools for different uses

[pale marsh]

Fundamentally
I just can't agree that EIPs are even remotely pleasant or anything less than morally reprehensible
Unless they are remote controlled like a video game(hee hoo funny) but I don't think that
Really fits with my understanding

[fast forge]

Once again, I don't think we know enough for these judgements

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

What can the AI do that the EIP can't, in fact the EIP might be harder since the EIP actually feels the pain.

An actual human mind at work, feels pain.

[fast forge]

What if they dull the pain receptors - we don't know

[pale marsh]

I don't need to

How
How can you make that out to be pleasant unless it's some
Insane detached "well, being a dino sounds cool"

[fallow harbor]

maybe they NEED EIP's Because the one thing AE fails to replicate is consciousness

[pale marsh]

Sensoray deprivation isn't fun, unless it's very brief and controlled

[fast forge]

Because everything Don hints at suggests that it's not this simple

[hexed forge]

Go through trouble to make pain receptors. I doubt AE would do that, they like efficiency

Uhh wait

I think I just got lost, crap

[lethal moat]

I don’t think we know enough, but theorizing can get us closer

[fast forge]

could just be a thing they can dial up or down, idk

[hexed forge]

So if AIs were first.. they would stick with it. They wouldn't move on to EIPs. Therefore eips were first

[fast forge]

I just object to the assumption that the thousand lives contract is a negative thing

[fast forge]

once again WE DON'T KNOW we don't have enough info to assume this

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Then why bring up the AI topic.

[pale marsh]

I'm saying,
How can it possibly be a positive

I can think of so many different possibilities and none of them would survive even minor scrutiny

[hexed forge]

Yeah same, the only benefit is helping the world. Which uh

Pain and trauma = slight improvement in research..

Math ain't gonna math

[pale marsh]

Yea but that's ends justify the means
I only care about the means rn

[lethal moat]

Ends > means

[pale marsh]

Only way
I can think
You'd reduce to suffering involved
Is it the EIPs are just normal humans remote controlling them

But
Then
If the dinos start acting up
Unplug the human and replace them

[hexed forge]

Are you missing an "or " in that sentence, I'm confused

[lethal moat]

Depends how EIPs work, you might not have a body to go back to

[pale marsh]

That's what I'm leaning to

But that would be inherently unethical and I cannot be convinced otherwise

[hexed forge]

Sooo, it just makes it more negative if that's the case

[pale marsh]

Hence my point

[fast forge]

we really DON'T KNOW and i'm just cautioning against assuming anything, especially with Don's commentary yesterday

[hexed forge]

Tiny

Theories include assumptions

[pale marsh]

Dondis so intentionally vague, I don't take him that seriously until he says something definitive

[lethal moat]

You're too attached to your body

[hexed forge]

This isn't isle-lore-facts

[pale marsh]

Yea it's my body
I grew this thing, imma be attached

[lethal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n7eNFj_9Vk&pp=ygU1ZnJvbSB0aGUgbW9tZW50IGkgdW5kZXJzdG9vZCB0aGUgd2Vha25lc3Mgb2YgbXkgZmxlc2g%3D

[hexed forge]

Huh

[fast forge]

Don pushing back against the unethical treatment

[hexed forge]

But then. We have no points leading to it being positive

[lethal moat]

AE isn't a bad guy

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-bad-guy-bad-mean-gif-4526339

[fast forge]

I'm not saying it is positive either, I'm saying we shouldn't ASSUME either way

[hexed forge]

Yes, correct

A company with good goals but bad ways of reaching that goal

[lethal moat]

Eh

[pale marsh]

If
He doesn't think it's unethical then we're completely in the dark and everything we say is irrelevant

Or I question his sense of morality and ethics

[hexed forge]

Sending employees to tartarus

[pale marsh]

Either we know nothing, or the truth is stupid

[lethal moat]

They leaked one of the most important secrets in the world

[hexed forge]

Just like you said yesterday

"Let me dissect his brain to understand it"

[fast forge]

we don't even know what tartarus is! is it a punishment?! idk?

[hexed forge]

The isle follows greek terms, so all you need to do is search up the meaning and you will ATLEAST get a general meaning

[fast forge]

like, probably a punishment considering the mythological inspiration

[hexed forge]

Si

[fast forge]

yes

[lethal moat]

It is a consequence, most likely a punishment

[fast forge]

but maybe it's just cold storage?

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

once again, we can't assume, only conjecture

[lethal moat]

I think that fits the TOMB better

[hexed forge]

^

[fast forge]

agreed

but I'm just saying, stay open to ideas, we get so narrowly focused in here sometimes and then Don just laughs at us

[hexed forge]

A bit harsh. Some good governments are known as good but do bad things

Aka

AE is a good company but does bad things

[pale marsh]

Should also stress
Unethical doesn't always mean evil from a utilitarian standpoint

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[fast forge]

But like, even the concept of "bad things" is subjective

[pale marsh]

Take
Say
The rhesus monkey experiment
A guy psychologically tortured
Unequivocable tortured, baby monkeys

But that data proves very valuable for our understanding of psychology

Unethical
But a net good

[lethal moat]

That's what I'm saying

[hexed forge]

I belive..Making someone experience pain and suffering for the next thousand lives.. falls in under bad

[fast forge]

150 years ago war crimes weren't even a concept - we know AE is in an alternate universe from ours, how can we say how they define morality? Morality itself is subjective, dependant on time, place, and the person

[pale marsh]

Are you saying that
I'm an alternate universe where the Geneva convention never happened

Use of chemical weapons and the death of innocent civilians isnt bad?

[fast forge]

we don't even know they experience pain and suffering? Maybe they are reprogrammed to enjoy it? Maybe their nerve endings are turned off? Maybe they have nonstop dopamine flowing - we have no idea the full situation

[hexed forge]

So we should start thinking how they think? That is.. well... not very... great

For all we know your theory could mean that killing random people in the street is viewed as normal so we should view it ethical

[pale marsh]

God that's even worse

[fast forge]

By our morality these things are all bad, yes, obviously

[pale marsh]

Being effectively lobotmized for an experiment

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[fast forge]

I'm just saying, applying our judgments to a different world, and then trying to run with hypotheses based upon that is flawed

[hexed forge]

Well that's actually possible, just make the concfienwkfngie(not even gonna try to spell it) not feel pain is possible seeing the level of tech they have

[pale marsh]

And until we know their morals
We have no choice but to use our own

Unless you suggest we just don't talk about it at all

[fast forge]

I'm saying we know so little that basically anything is possible

[fast forge]

I'm not saying don't talk about it, I'm saying recognize that it's only a hypothesis and not abject fact

[hexed forge]

What if it's basically just someone playing a video game for 1000 tries

I hate thst theory but it's possible....

[fast forge]

Right? We don't know

[lethal moat]

We don't know hardly anything

[hexed forge]

Guess who does know more

[fast forge]

You can start with the core idea that it's torture and run with that idea for hypotheticals, but don't assume it is fact, especially with everything Don said yesterday

That's been my only point

[pale marsh]

I'm not sure dondi even knows more
I'm starting to believe he's making it up as he goes

[hexed forge]

EIP lore video next please

[fast forge]

I mean he is, he says that, but he also has been working on this for a decade too, so he's got a head start on us

[pale marsh]

And
My view point is, based on what we know
How can it be anything less than unethical and morally gray at best

Torture is my conclusion not the subject I spring off of

[fast forge]

It's a crazy sci-fi situation, I cannot say for sure

I like to think it wasn't torture when AE had control, but maybe it is now

[hexed forge]

In what we have been discussing for this entire time. I just disagree with one thing.

I don't think AEs universe has another way of viewing what's morally correct or not. Keeping it the same as our world is better. But everything else is certainly possible

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but people have their own takes on morality, as we're currently discussing here

[fast forge]

my only point there was that even in our own real world, people have wildly different ideas about morality

[pale marsh]

Giving them a whole new set of human morality to make AE good would
Be a contrivance
And a bad one

[hexed forge]

Some not all, majority has the same views. That's what I count

Majority wins

[lethal moat]

Majority varies depending on the group you're in

[hexed forge]

True

[fast forge]

Okay as an example, after the chernobyl disaster someone had to go into highly irradiated areas to do the work. So they did it in shifts, to make it easier on each individual and decrease the chances of long-term damage.

Maybe before the fall of gateway EIP testing in dinosaurs was done in shifts? "Oh Ted won't be around for your birthday next month, he's got Diabloceratops duty"

Maybe they pop into a dino for a while, finish testing, and then recuperate in a fancy beautiful Gen 2 body for 2 months?

But then after the fall of Gateway, there are no shifts, you just keep getting brought back by the replicator.

Then that's torture without the harm reduction

[pale marsh]

That goes to the remote control ting I mentioned
A human still attached to their body, in a safe location

How would the island fall of all the dinos could just be unplugged by AE

[fast forge]

Because the replicator seized control? That's my headcanon

[pale marsh]

Why would the replicator be able to prevent people from unplugging? Unless ur suggest it severed people minds from their body and kept them in the dinos/for itself

[hexed forge]

I don't think AE employees ever see or go to the outside world after reaching a certain point of their job. To keep things secret

[fast forge]

Oh yeah no I just meant they switch to working as a researcher or something in Gen 2 body, or maybe R&R at a different island, but I doubt they can just leave and visit Hawaii

[hexed forge]

Oh mb

[fast forge]

We don't know enough info to say

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-gif-20784341

[fallow harbor]

maybe people dont wanna unplug

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think you can

[pale marsh]

It's hypothetical if they could, as a contrived answers to how the EIPs could be
Not
Unethical

[pale marsh]

Liked they'd be given a choice

[fast forge]

I started thinking about tracking chips in the diabloceratops, and found myself researching real-world animal tracking devices

I found this website with a database of animal tracking data, and they have this page describing the different types of tracking devices used:
https://www.movebank.org/cms/movebank-content/what-is-animal-tracking

Most of these devices seem mildly useful but not the best option. Two in particular stood out to me:

Radio telemetry seems like a pretty likely option, considering we know that AE has put some effort into constructing radio towers

Even MORE interesting is "Bio-logging"

[lethal moat]

If you look at the radio frequency in the dibble video, you can see what types of technology use that frequency, and it’s primarily military use because it connects to satellites

I say bio logging is more likely

[fast forge]

Bio logging seems very fitting, but it's kind of vague here, I'm going to research it a bit more

Bio-logging definitely reminds me of the Tab menu with heartbeat, weight, age, location, etc.

I'd even wager the dinosaur bio-loggers are connected to the "ground-based station" nearly all the time, because of AE's ability to just smother gateway in radio tower coverage. This would allow almost nonstop data transmission, except for when an asset moves into an area without tower coverage (behind a hill maybe)

[lethal moat]

I like it

[fast forge]

I'm looking into that frequency, and I don't see military specifically

I'm seeing that it's one of the earliest GPS frequencies

L1 1575.42 MHz is (apparently) the basic GPS frequency

If you have a GPS tracker in your car, it's likely to use this frequency

Looking back at the map frames from the diabloceratops video, it seems even more striking that our locational tag on the video footage (GW-F5) doesn't match that we are given in the previous frame

In this image you can see the map. F5 is clearly a spot in the ocean

and then we have this frame immediately after, showing the same map overlaid on the footage of diabloceratops in the riverlands where they nested, far from F5 on the map, but marked as GW_F5 in the video subtext

They just don't match up, despite being frames right next to each other

[lethal moat]

F5 is wack

[fast forge]

Oh hey

I never noticed the trailcam number changes partway through the diabloceratops video

TCAM1393
Cam gets bumped by the dibble when the eggs hatch
A while later the person comes in and turns off the camera (the footage of the person is still TCAM1393)
Footage starts with TCAM1462
Dibble #12278799 dies to omnis
Dibbles leave the nesting site
Rex knocks over TCAM1462

[fallow harbor]

wait is the diblle acoutally called that

[fast forge]

We know a diabloceratops has that number, but they don't call it a dibble

[acoustic osprey]

we also know all the buildings are traced with radiowave machines on the fences

[fast forge]

Aside from GW_F5 and GW_H4, are any other locations presented with the "GW" before them? I forget where the other location names are from

I'm just trying to reconcile our conflicting locational data

[acoustic osprey]

GW_F5 and GW_H4 are the only officially mentioned locations in-lore
I12 is referred to as "RS_I12" (regional spawn I12) in-game for spawning. But that's not reliable knowing that it's for the regional spawnpoint system

[fast forge]

That's right, yes

[acoustic osprey]

anything else, Don has just abbreivated the term to it's numbered version.
So K15 was mentioned
A15 and D14 as well

[fast forge]

Don mentioned them? I see

[acoustic osprey]

ages ago

[fast forge]

I wasn't sure their origin

[acoustic osprey]

most of these can be confirmed in the game files as well

and using the map

the only one not now? F5

and 50/50 H4
however, H4 location fits Augustus video exterior shots

[fast forge]

A trait that GW_F5 and GW_H4 both share is that they are used in reference to camera data

I'm just wondering if the GW_ prefix is used specifically for camera data or something

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
they're still the only lore-given locations we've been given.

So it might just be coincidence.
Could be used for more

[fast forge]

fair

I did notice this:

In this frame there is a glitched location data dot that is actually in the location F5

[acoustic osprey]

looks like it's part of the glitch box though
funny coincidence? or there's something they're not telling us!!

[fast forge]

yeah it really really just seems to be a glitch, but it's such a strange coincidence

After I noticed it I was looking at the other glitches

I had wondered if, maybe it was a second map being overlaid on top of this one or something (I imagined a larger map of all the islands)

But every time I tried to suss out the glitches, they just seemed to be sections of this map, shifted

So that theory is out the window

[fast forge]

And then if we run with this hypothesis - that the listed location of "GW_F5" was show incorrectly due to a glitch

It loses all credibility once you notice that they switched the camera out (TCAM1393 for TCAM1462), and it is still listed as GW_F5 on the new cam

[acoustic osprey]

GW_F5 shows up in more than one reference though
so it couldn't be a glitch/issue that might've occurred with the tranferring of the video

[fast forge]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Unless the trailcam model that is used doesn't have it's own "AE-linked" locational GPS.

so the location was, internally, labeled incorrectly

which we know is a possibility in-lore

[fast forge]

That does seem possible, but if these people use this map every day they are probably not going to confuse F5 for the middle of the map

[acoustic osprey]

we know some characters (in terms of written document in-lore authors) might be more recognisable via smaller internal written issues
i.e. grammar, syntax, british/american english used

[acoustic osprey]

heck.
Could've been the fault of an intern.

We're not really unsure on any degree of the production of these videos in-lore

[fast forge]

true

The actual location of the diabloceratops seems to be H15, by their map

[acoustic osprey]

maybe the reason it was corrupted, and why some of the formatting is different, is because it's made by some intern writing some sort of report

[fast forge]

Was rewatching the dibble vid today and I re-realized just how many random numbers are in the beginning

[acoustic osprey]

wasn't it here?

[fast forge]

yeah that's about H15

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah.
I go over this for my dibble video. Literally 1000 words of overanalysing

15/16

[fast forge]

16 is south of the lakes, that's too heavily forested

[hexed forge]

H15?

[fast forge]

more like G15/H15

[hexed forge]

Where the hell does it sat h16

[hexed forge]

Ohh

[fast forge]

nowhere, it is the location you can see in the video, I've been there

[hexed forge]

The grid is inaccurate to the actual location of the nesting place

[fast forge]

that's kinda what we are trying to figure out

Why doesn't F5 match the map

[acoustic osprey]

you're about a month too late!!

[fast forge]

I even pointed out they are literally one frame apart from each other in the video

[hexed forge]

I'm a month early

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-it-is-an-unusual-text-isnt-it-its-not-just-me-it-crowd-gif-22689084

[fast forge]

I wonder what "DIA" stands for

It's the runtime of the video, certainly

and it seems there is 19 minutes and ~10 seconds of footage prior to when the DIA starts

[hexed forge]

2 popular theories

A. F5 is the place of where the data has been retrieved and processed(a base perhaps)
B. EMP dmg

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, bottom left seems to be the video length
top right is time code

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't place my bets on EMP

[hexed forge]

Aw

[acoustic osprey]

F5 is used far too much and widely to be the case of some sort of electromagnetic issue

[fast forge]

Bottom left is maybe the length of the clip? Top right is the total time so far in the original footage?

[hexed forge]

So theory A?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
RAHH!!!

[fast forge]

🤷‍♀️

[hexed forge]

RAHH

[acoustic osprey]

a possibility
wouldn't make sense for Augustus and the older trailcam videos though
and the formatting

[hexed forge]

Mmm

So what the hell is it

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-know-unaccompanied-minors-i-dont-know-how-should-i-know-gif-20710352

[fast forge]

It might make sense for Augustus, as Augustus' location was also a base location? So perhaps the tag of "GW_H4" was the location of the footage editing, but also happened to be the location of the footage

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
the camera information shows information of the current climate/environment of the camera
why would the locational data it show not be where it is at the current moment

and why would you put the location of where you're editing such footage in the footage you're showcasing

[fast forge]

yeah it is presented along with time, temperature, and trailcam # - of course it is talking about the location of the footage

That's kinda why I never liked "GW_F5 is the editing location" theory

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

I have no idea what's going on

[acoustic osprey]

it'd make sense for such if it was in another section of the video
Preferably not in the footage section

[hexed forge]

There is a small glitched part

It's the format from the Augustus video

[fast forge]

I was saying, in the video we are presented with, in order:
Temperature data
"GW_F5" (presumably locational data)
The time of day
The trailcam number

They wouldn't sandwich the "location where we edited the footage" in amongst this other data that is specific to the shooting location

[fast forge]

That's the point I was making

[acoustic osprey]

unless in the intro or the "format" section (this #isle-lore-theories message )

[fast forge]

Oh yeah there is that too, I forgot

[hexed forge]

So what the hell does it mean

[acoustic osprey]

I mean. That does not communicate where it was edited or processed.

[hexed forge]

Yippee

[acoustic osprey]

in the Augustus video.
it showcases itself once you launch the video of the Augustus event

[fast forge]

The theory of "maybe an intern made an editing mistake" just doesn't make sense as it defies occam's razor, requiring us to make a supposition for which we have no evidence

[acoustic osprey]

Why would it not give the location it's filmed in? Especially when it shows the hardware, file type, etc

aka. Things about the camera and the filming itself.

[fast forge]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

the same goes for the dibble version

[hexed forge]

So it's neither theory

[acoustic osprey]

I mean.
It makes the most sense out of the three.

Especially as occams razor is, not always, a reliable tool. Especially in the world of a fanatical world.
Where real world logic and issues doesn't fall under millions of peoples and events happening. The chaos of life.
But under one persons (or a few more) decisions to storytell

so simplicity may be exaggerated

and we do know, from Don, there are issues within the in-lore authors.
However, this was when ERRANT-291 was written

i still believe the same may apply.

[fast forge]

That's fair, it's just hard to base anything on "an intern did it" because it's so unsupported, but also like... we've got nothing else that makes any sense

[acoustic osprey]

especially since there's a definite contrast between the two trailcam videos.
In which I wish we knew far more on the internal aspects of both

[fast forge]

As to that, they are different types of cameras. A trailcam is pretty different from stationary long-term cameras (CCTV?)

(at least, I'd imagine they are pretty different, I don't actually know )

[acoustic osprey]

A change of time? (as in era for AE)
A change of person? (personal choice or preferance)
a change in level? ("X" footage is for higher ups hence X is showcased like "X" ||slideshow|| and one is just raw but edited footage. Which has been corrupted due to how insignificant it is)

[fast forge]

Yeah for all we know the two videos could be decades apart

[acoustic osprey]

they are physically different.
But why so contrasting with the formatting?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/id-best-investigate-it-crowd-richard-ayoade-maurice-moss-jen-barber-gif-22688941

(Here comes ||i'm not doing it|| my split incident theory)

or at least.
My Greco/Roman AE contrast theory

[fast forge]

Don didn't seem to even believe the concept of an incident

Or I dunno, this bit:
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Or he could be implying that there were many incidents, not one major incident.

[fast forge]

this implies an incident didn't occur

Or maybe the "affected all of the islands at once" part is where his skepticism lies

[hexed forge]

I don't think it implies thst

[hexed forge]

Yes exactly

[acoustic osprey]

do not forget this:
#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

No major incident

But a series of incidents

[fast forge]

He joked like that was just a thing that could only exist if we happen to assume the immortality thing, but it's such a deep line of logic that it rings true to me

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-dark-helmet-spaceballs-uneasy-shifty-eyes-gif-24854412

[fast forge]

From my perspective, of course we didn't assume dino holy wars existed because we didn't even know the state of the external world. We aren't going to make that logical leap

[acoustic osprey]

however.
To be fair.
My theory on the split divide doesn't really place itself hardly with THE incident.
as in a theoretical nuclear bomb of an incident

in which I believe we have assumed basically since Spiro ~U2

[fast forge]

He's told us that there was some form of raiding on the tomb, how is that not big enough to be an incident in his eyes?

idk

like this stuff #isle-lore-theories message

maybe a bunch of inciting events?

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair.
He never really denied an incident(s) occurred.

just that he was asking why we presumed it was so nuclear

[fast forge]

or if in his mind there were a number of events (something I think he's mentioned), why did we focus on only one?

We were thinking "Fall of Jurassic Park"
He was thinking "Fall of the Roman Empire"

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair though
that statement was in continuation of the reply you posted as well from here
#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

I'm likely presuming Don didn't mean some sort of immediate explosion of a catastrophe

if anything.
akin to the fall of the roman empire.

bit by bit, piece by piece

lasting for quite some time afterwards
but only a shell of it's former glory

are we seeing, from these lore clips.
The golden age of Apollo Engineering in the in-lore lens of the "(presumed) dying/falling Apollo Engineering"?

or are we at the end of Apollo Engineerings Byzantium

these clips being far more "contemporary" of when we play in-game in-lore

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-literally-just-said-that-thats-what-i-said-copy-cat-my-idea-stole-gif-14648615

[acoustic osprey]

of Apollo Engineering trying to take itself up.
Slowly being usurped or destroyed by the Seljuks

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
i'm not saying "many incidents"

[hexed forge]

Yippeeeee

[acoustic osprey]

it could be there was one relatively major incident for Apollo Engineering
maybe not "all islands go boom boom'

but something internal enough for Apollo Engineering to be hit for life basically.

looking at the Roman Empire

[fast forge]

We don't even know if AE is still running islands during the time period of the game, right?

[acoustic osprey]

hello germanic tribes

[acoustic osprey]

Due to evrima worldbuilding (aka. nothing really ready yet to say "ok we know what's happening in-lore in-game)
we don't have a solid yes or no yet

[fast forge]

that's what I figured

[acoustic osprey]

basically once humans are ready to be developed
we'll see more in-game things being better represented for us

we can presume they must not be entirely running by AE strongly due to sending Gen2s
but that's assuming we know THE goal(s) for Gen2s

[hexed forge]

We have thought that Gen2 were made after the "incident" soooo... Maybe there were some islands left

[acoustic osprey]

however.
We still lack any understanding of the contextual insides of these "other" islands

[hexed forge]

😔

[acoustic osprey]

what islands contain dinosaurs?
connected to the replicator? (if possible and how)
what islands contain Gen1s or Gen2s? depending on how and why, and their goal.
what islands are akin to Gateway in it's status?
what is the PROPER in-lore status of Gateway when we play?

in legacy.
We knew Gateway was pretty much broken.

containment failures here and there
being quite a "do not PASS" (or even enter) location

[fast forge]

I'd say that's still accurate from what we can see. It's all just open with everything allowed to run around willy nilly

Strain plants confirmed btw?
#isle-lore-theories message

Or at least, "explored"

[pale marsh]

Still hoping for the massive tree

[lethal moat]

I feel like that means it was brought up a long time ago but hasn't really been mentioned a ton

[hexed forge]

I hope they are canon

[lethal moat]

Eh, I feel like I'll be interested in whatever's in the botany section, strain or not

[fast forge]

Haven't they mentioned carnivorous plants being in-game?

[acoustic osprey]

only in legacy

[fast forge]

I see

I think it would be a fun idea, and add more PvE elements to the game

[hexed forge]

Crustaceans

[fast forge]

ye

[hexed forge]

Cant wait to get jumpscared by a giant crab on the beach

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

I also like the idea of AI rex

Just more things to do in the game

[hexed forge]

I dont

[fast forge]

why

[hexed forge]

Last thing I want is a rex to be able to hunt me down from 1km away when Im sitting in a bush

[fast forge]

why would it see you that far away?

[lethal moat]

I want it to show priority for megaherds and mixpacks

[hexed forge]

Just like boars, homing missile mode AI

[fast forge]

I'd hope it would have better AI than a boar...

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[fast forge]

all right

[pale marsh]

Frankly
I think players should be able to do that already

Dangi why does mobile do that

Load the messages
Before I send mine

[fast forge]

players being able to track from far away?

[hexed forge]

Xray vision through 400 bushes?

I hope amarok advances the AI by a lot before adding carnivore AI...

I hated it when it was added in U4 stress test, it was so annoying

Raptor AI randomly finding you in a bush, carno ai literally doing nothing, etc.

[pale marsh]

Track players sitting in bushed from long distances

[fast forge]

I'd like to see Rex follow a general route around the map

[hexed forge]

Huh

How would I player know if Im sitting in a bush right beside H4

[pale marsh]

Yes
I want tracking systems that let you smell people directly
Especially if someone sits in a bush too long

It's
Especially idiotic that you can't smell someone two feet from you

[fast forge]

I like that idea

[hexed forge]

I hope carnivore AI actually targets megaherds and mixpacks just like rumple said

[fast forge]

anyways we are kinda off-topic for lore

[hexed forge]

uhhh Rex ai lore loreeeee

[fast forge]

I wanna see that guy stalk around the new NE plains

with all the new fences

[lethal moat]

The second the elder rex breaks the treeline, everyone scatters

[fast forge]

I wonder how AI trike would work

[acoustic osprey]

scatters?
You'll be dead anyways

[lethal moat]

You only need to be faster than the person behind you

[fast forge]

I was just doing this today. Trying to see if the numbers at the beginning matched ISO archival codes (something I didn't know existed until today)

[acoustic osprey]

which codes?
oh

[fast forge]

Just trying to match that system to anything in the video

[acoustic osprey]

what archival system are you referring to with?

i didn't think there was an international standard for such?

[acoustic osprey]

I know what ISO is, but I don't know if they have an archival standardisation system made

[fast forge]

oh I didn't know what the ISO was until today

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

[fast forge]

I found them through searching for terms like "archival coding"

[hexed forge]

Why is it not IOS

[fast forge]

because you're just seeing the english translation

[hexed forge]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

due to there being no standard (ironically) in other languages

so they used a Greek word

[fast forge]

oh!

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[hexed forge]

Devblog in 2 days, Hopefully a little lore..

[lethal moat]

🤞

[acoustic osprey]

ha

maybe

[hexed forge]

Laughing not allowed!

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[hexed forge]

yippee

[lethal moat]

Rumple’s timeline:
Climate change becomes main focus
Acquires the islands
Oceanic megaflora
(Beginning of deterioration on gateway)
C R A B
Progression to Dinosaurs (gen 1 and gen 2 might develop at this time, hard to place it)
Strain development
(Deterioration accumulates to “the incident” on Gateway)
Abandonment of Gateway for an unknown period of time
(Events proceed through gameplay)

[acoustic osprey]

thing is though
is he talking in lore or in development standpoint?

I can't remember if plants were first (for strain stuff) in terms of development?

It would make sense, especially looking at Rumps timeline ( #isle-lore-theories message ), for strain plants to occur prior to dino strains

which is likely the reason for the the megacrabs

[lethal moat]

I’m highly skeptical of direct strain plants, maybe the predecessor or inspiration of strains, but not “real” strains

[acoustic osprey]

didn't realise it could work for animals
until it happened by accident

[hexed forge]

Development I think

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
if they were first.
Proto-strains at best.

I presume they would've worked on the "strain-attribute" over many years
and it would've grown the more they did on animals

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt this though.
but I'll ask some of my og mates to see if they can remember

[lethal moat]

Maybe separate strain development and strain application should be different events

[acoustic osprey]

it would make the most sense for the reasoning of large crustaceans via a "leakage"

[acoustic osprey]

I don't presume all three strains leaked into the one crab

[fast forge]

I actually had this same question with myself, wondering if he meant it in a game-dev reference or in-canon reference

[acoustic osprey]

I presume it would've been bit by bit in terms of development in lore

in which I presume the first strain would be hyper, if anything

it makes the most sense.
Large plant? Hyper

[lethal moat]

Right, but “supplementary material” to creatures definitely could have originated from that

[fast forge]

We don't even know if plant strains are the same strains as animal strains

[acoustic osprey]

"supplementary material"?

[lethal moat]

Anything added on after creation

[acoustic osprey]

we knew hyper plants existed

[fast forge]

what are you quoting?

[acoustic osprey]

what do you mean in terms of

[hexed forge]

There have been a lot of plant concepts right? The dinosaurs themselves still existed as an idea for the game, just not strain dinos

[lethal moat]

Strains (and maybe cybernetics depending in the nature of drone quetz)

[acoustic osprey]

barely any strain plant concepts

[fast forge]

there's the one big plant art right?

[acoustic osprey]

strains have been here in the community as a thing for a long long time

[hexed forge]

But plant was the main idea, strain plants were thought of, before strain dinos.

[fast forge]

^^

[acoustic osprey]

main idea of what?

[acoustic osprey]

yes.
We knew they derrived from the same strains of dinosaurs, in legacy

[hexed forge]

Im not sure, the lore I guess? Climate change. Unless the lore back then had nothing to do with climate change. Then Idk

[acoustic osprey]

we knew botany was first.
But this is new Evrima lore we're talking about. Not original legacy

[hexed forge]

Oh

[lethal moat]

I need to make a gif of me yeeting legacy into a trash can

[acoustic osprey]

I'd see, if plant strains were the first.
Would be merely seen as prototypes in contrast to dino strains in the long run now

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[hexed forge]

If Don comes to ask here can someone ask him about strain plants again

"The idea was thought of, but is it canon to the lore right now? Does it exist?"

[lethal moat]

I personally think it’s not super relevant

[acoustic osprey]

or just ask about his original mention yesterday
and ask if that was about lore or development

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, how would you explain super large crabs then?

[hexed forge]

Its relevant if Strain plants lead to the creation of Strain dinos(My theory!!, I think, Maybe idk)

[acoustic osprey]

we knew they wanted to go big with strain plants back in 2018

[lethal moat]

Related, but I don’t think strain plants will be relevant in game except with the exception of massive oceanic megaflora

[hexed forge]

The Matriarch isnt relevant in game then

[lethal moat]

Lore, yes, but I don’t think we’ll see much in game

[acoustic osprey]

I hope not.
Don's ideas explored in super old streams were fun and should be readded into the game as it was supposed to be

[lethal moat]

I hope it is

[fast forge]

I'm wondering if they filled perimeter with redwoods to study giant plants

[acoustic osprey]

we know most larger strain characters wont sadly
at least, for the long run. Not anytime then

[hexed forge]

Yes ^

[lethal moat]

I’d love to see strain plants, but I’m not overly optimistic

[lethal moat]

Fun idea

[hexed forge]

But strain plants just existing in a dome? Thats def more possible than seeing a matriarch ingame

[fast forge]

I could see them as PvE hazards tbh. Basically pitfall carnivorous plants

[acoustic osprey]

well.
Their v3 redwoods test was (for the devs) their in-game test to get ready for strain plants.

ironically and coincidentally enough

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Gimmie

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[acoustic osprey]

I'll see if I can find a clip of it

[hexed forge]

Dont be Biased towards the matriarch- oh wait im being biased towards strain plants

[fast forge]

I just want mutant plants amoung the real plants on the island

[hexed forge]

Yippeee

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-gif-14343024202781320155

[fast forge]

just sprinkled about, or more cmmon in certain areas

[acoustic osprey]

here got it

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-finger-guns-gif-11365457

[lethal moat]

Parasitic neuro tree plz

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/pNJbbshy500?t=468

he also shows a proper lore-esque map for v3 in this clip

completely forgot about that

[lethal moat]

The second I get out of the basement, imma watch it

[fast forge]

who is this speaking? in the video

[acoustic osprey]

Don

at least, from the timestamp I sent

[fast forge]

gotcha

[hexed forge]

Oh hell yeah, so. Basically can someone ask what don meant in that msg? Lore or development, i think that will clear some stuff up

[hexed forge]

Another tornado watch?

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, let's do it right now!!!

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

(you can see tribal sacrifice temples in this as well)

[valid geyser]

Watching tornados

[hexed forge]

Yeah @ theonewhoknowseverything

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-it-crowd-fire-gif-4963092

[acoustic osprey]

these

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/coraline-dad-gif-typing-gif-18806780

[acoustic osprey]

ironic for me to say for you to reply

stay safe

[hexed forge]

Portal to the replicator island

[acoustic osprey]

man this VOD has everything

I think we spoke about this last year?

which basically reminds me of the old leaked Gateway map

[hexed forge]

So much stuff... never added to legacy... Thats just.. im sad

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah.
2018 was literally THE year of hype
2019... not so much

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

as much as I wanna play the card and say "Oh they just likely did it so they didn't have to do all they hyped about in 2018"

it's not really right.
Half of these things had models.
Most of these things seemed pretty easy to both model, make and replicate.
Strain trees were probably the hardest. But still. No dates were really given.

Legacy was, internally, already destroyed

[lethal moat]

I'm listening to the thing

[acoustic osprey]

Brooks's Law exists for a reason.
Glad they stopped legacy

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Strain plants sound similar to clickers from last of us

[acoustic osprey]

(Brooks law)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-of-us2-clicker-aiming-video-game-gif-17644790

[acoustic osprey]

similar
but still literal plants
and can't really get you infected (to what we know ||neuro goo!!||) - but kill you in all the right ways 😊

[lethal moat]

Echidna as a carrier is a strange concept

[acoustic osprey]

I still wonder if we might get something akin to this in either F5 or A15

[acoustic osprey]

do note though of the context.
I was asking/talking about Echidna in "her role" in everything.

Reply with the carrier gif

[hexed forge]

OOHOOHH

[acoustic osprey]

troodon

[hexed forge]

Dilo

[acoustic osprey]

Not in F5 though sadly
just north of it

but the concept still exists

https://tenor.com/view/client-pleads-oopsie-daisy-oopsie-daisy-oops-oopsie-russian-badger-gif-6154377781408649679

[hexed forge]

They might move it down to F5.. I mean... We know that area is getting adjusted from the recent Don stream(Except the cam stream)

[acoustic osprey]

(If it is an interns mistake)

mixing up the location of the video for the location he's currently in

[hexed forge]

I wonder

[acoustic osprey]

if there is no model for such yet.
It could very much be statically stuck at F5/or floats around that area

[hexed forge]

Mmm

[lethal moat]

If I see a dondi stream that says it's a lore stream, I can stop a lot of things I'm typically doing

[acoustic osprey]

which could happen.
Who knows the procedure of making these videos

for what we know
you could literally just put in any location and it automatically syncs up all locational metadata to whatever you put in

[acoustic osprey]

Ha.
(God I hope he doesn't stream at 3am for me again if so)

I have no notifications at night.
I would not know anything.

(happened far too many times now )

but! Those were less lore and more so developmental hyping!

[lethal moat]

I'll see if I can do anything if stuff happens

[hexed forge]

Isaac turn on notifications so we can spam ping you when he streams

[acoustic osprey]

how will I know!!

[acoustic osprey]

just do your best to get the best information you can

[hexed forge]

Yk... I could try to set up a software that does speech to text. And writes down everysingle word that he says on stream..

[hexed forge]

The mass pings

[lethal moat]

I use haptic alarms

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patchy-the-pirate-spongebob-what-the-nicktoons-shocked-gif-16487770

[hexed forge]

Wait is that even possible

[lethal moat]

Cerato, this is neato

[hexed forge]

What is that, I just see a plane figure

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

Aquatic dock with a water plane

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

waterplane funnies

[acoustic osprey]

i love that mosa pen!!

[hexed forge]

They better let me dock the BV 238 smh

[acoustic osprey]

same radiotower design.
The age.

[hexed forge]

Is that on land?

[acoustic osprey]

man.
I barely remember this artwork

[acoustic osprey]

water... on land

[hexed forge]

Thats art not a screenshot

[acoustic osprey]

no idea why people didn't share this a lot back then.
This was cool as hell

[acoustic osprey]

I'm speed typing.
i confused the word screenshot with that artwork

[acoustic osprey]

glad they got redesigned

[hexed forge]

Some of that design is straight up from JP

[acoustic osprey]

i remember this a lot.
But I wish we got more of these artworks

[hexed forge]

Thought you said screenshot again

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think they'd fit as loading screens though

so there's no point for all the effort

[fast forge]

this is particularly cool, and he pointed out the giant structures in the distance, you think those are domes?

[hexed forge]

Fred drew that right?

[lethal moat]

Fun stuff

[acoustic osprey]

pretty sure (the one on the far left) is this one
#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

maybe.
I know he's been here for years

[hexed forge]

Weird building

[lethal moat]

Animal storage

[snow jasper]

This reminds of that one Battlefield 1 map, cant remember what it was called for the life of me

[acoustic osprey]

did he say this was a drydock?

[lethal moat]

Nope, place to store creatures, the top opens so things can be dropped in via aircraft

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

[hexed forge]

Multiple?

[fast forge]

I just got attacked by a chicken in hordetest!

[lethal moat]

multiple what

[acoustic osprey]

ignore

[hexed forge]

Species of dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-eyes-chicken-squinting-despicable-me-gif-13584722

[hexed forge]

I did not ignore that

[lethal moat]

It's an open space, lots of things can be put into an open space

[hexed forge]

Thats a weird containment method for multiple things

Especially if its not the same species

[acoustic osprey]

man this feels so empty to what we have on Gateway lol

[lethal moat]

Not multiple at once probably, but just versatile cage where things can still move around

[fast forge]

I heard someone say yesterday they were attacked by a compy, and suggested maybe it was a dev...

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

I cant read that, its so blurry

[ornate comet]

everytime I open this channel I get more and more lost lol

[hexed forge]

Ben is canon

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-10329832144102306343

[acoustic osprey]

there's like a geothermal place top right
one temple for each side of the map (gen1 temples)
another environmental facility on the right
restricted biologoical area on the bottom right
Paddock on the left and top
Hotel on the left

[fast forge]

was this a map that was made?

[hexed forge]

Thanks

You didnt have to do all that

[fast forge]

like, in-game?

[acoustic osprey]

alongside a cable going to the v3 tower

[acoustic osprey]

this is V3
but was the planned "human" future of V3 (in terms of developmental progress)

[ornate comet]

the april fools video was a jumpscare when it just said Ben over and over