isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

I think they're sent their as an experiment and with the objective of recapturing the island for AE

[hexed forge]

Yeah, thats my thought too

[fast forge]

I've just never seen anything from the devs with regards to that specifically, just the conjectures of all of you

[lethal moat]

One sec

[fast forge]

ty I'm really curious about this

[hexed forge]

I looked for it for a couple of minutes now.. I cant find it

[fast forge]

Sometimes y'all treat something as fact, and I have no idea if it came from an old devblog, a stream, or something a dev said in islecord one time

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

Bada bing

Took a second

[hexed forge]

Where is the win quote, I cant find it rah

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/stannis-stare-disappointed-game-of-thrones-gif-7592370308556304740

[hexed forge]

What does that even mean Isaac, this does not make the situation better!

[fast forge]

Stannis fans...

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message Roughly here, and there might have been some stuff on an older stream

[lethal moat]

.

[acoustic osprey]

why wouldn't you be

Stannis the Mannis

[lethal moat]

We also could have run with assumptions, which is a real possibility

[acoustic osprey]

these quotes don't really help much.

[lethal moat]

mhm

[hexed forge]

I think my old theory might be right. Humans take over all the sectors(The places of where dinos spawn) aka no one can spawn in as a dino. THEREFORE, basically shutting down an official server?

I hope the turn off ping on reply worked..

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
that Dondi quote is about a possible pitched end.

Which hasn't been green lighted as far as we know

[hexed forge]

Damn

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

being that's one of the things he's pitched
that one being a very "wild" idea

[hexed forge]

Everything we say is a theory.. our language is theories...

[acoustic osprey]

Don probably doesn't have a proper solid "end" in terms of gameplay lore end at the moment

[fast forge]

I'm kind of a crazy big fan of GRRM, so I've got a very wide view of the series, and I think all characters have their good and bad traits. Those that say (among the fandom) that Stannis is the one true king don't seem to understand what GRRM is saying about systems of rule/government - one of the broader themes of the story

[lethal moat]

Like I said, there might be something on a stream, but we could have run with assumptions, like I said

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-what-calvin-payne-house-of-payne-what-did-you-say-can-you-repeat-that-gif-24039762

[acoustic osprey]

stannis mannis hate

[hexed forge]

Only if we could clip don streams.. god damnit

[fast forge]

anyways I don't wanna go off topic in lorechat

[hexed forge]

Oh it was offtopic ahahaha, I was so confused on what that was referring to in lore

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
cultural traditions and hereditary rule within ASoIAF is interesting.
It makes the most sense for Stannis to place himself as the next heir for the iron throne, from a viewer point of view.

Right of conquest
blood ties to Targaryens
and bastards don't really rule

[fast forge]

Oh his motivations make sense, but the fandom gets kinda... well kinda like this fandom

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-binguscord-discord-cord-gif-18669756

[hexed forge]

Lore

Is Stannis canon!!

[acoustic osprey]

However on the idea of "why Gen2s are here / what's their goal"

it's always been a bit 50/50
the idea, from legacy into Evrima, always shifts from time to time.
Mostly because we were still learning about what are these "humans" while also lore, itself, was always changing.

However.
For gameplay and lore.
We've never been given a DEFINITE 100% knowledgeable answer for what Gen2s/Humans do
besides early Mercenary stuff back in early legacy. Which is a bummer.
As Gen2s are coming in pretty hot now. And we're 5 years into the development of Evrima without any knowledge of what Gen2s will do, let alone Gen1s

[hexed forge]

yay

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

[acoustic osprey]

it is a lot of guess work, definitely.
And there is no right or wrong answer at the moment of course

But we can definitely deduce some things from things given to us from time to time.
Not always saying "X" from Dondi is 100% right till we know it's in the game/backed in official lore

[hexed forge]

I hope gen 2 enters full development this year... hope..

[hexed forge]

What can we deduce?

[lethal moat]

Gun hurty

[hexed forge]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

deduce things that might seem very inaccurate for what Gen2s are
like hired guns

[hexed forge]

Hired guns? Do you mean like.. hired mercs?

[acoustic osprey]

specifically hired guns
The donors might've been hired as template bodies for the bodies (Jango Fett) and could've been mercs prior
but that doesn't mean Gen2 = merc

[hexed forge]

Hired guns???!?! am I missing some vocab

[acoustic osprey]

yes
hired guns

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-confused-what-gif-12938550

[acoustic osprey]

your english is lacking

[lethal moat]

Boba fett clone similar situation

[hexed forge]

It is my second language after all

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-kill-them-all-pirata-matalos-a-todos-matalos-a-todos-pirata-gif-15217348

[acoustic osprey]

erm jango

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

It's been a minute

And boba is still a clone so I don't want to hear it, I could have been referencing the gen 2 rather than a donor 🫵

[acoustic osprey]

ERRANT-291

[hexed forge]

Whats that big date that I forgot

2172?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fast forge]

I just figured they were created in some fashion similar to the dinos, "the perfect human" and whatnot. You said you deduced that the template was based on hired guns?

[lethal moat]

It's a potential theory

I am too tired for original thought today

[fast forge]

What if they are like the AI-generated images we have now, but animals? They asked an AI "what would the perfect human look like?" and Gen 1 or 2 is what it spat out

[acoustic osprey]

might've been hired

[lethal moat]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

there could be potential body-esque DNA donors
the same goes with the dinosaurs. We're not too sure how the replicator replicates

off DNA? off an image? an idea?

[fast forge]

makes sense

To make some of these dinosaurs... I think it's really just an idea of the thing

It would kind of explain omni, right? If they started doing this stuff in the 80's/90's and didn't know that a raptor would have feathers?

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it could work that way

[fast forge]

just a fun train of thought

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[hexed forge]

Theory time perhaps? discussion is going insane..

[fast forge]

owo?

[hexed forge]

NO

[fast forge]

nowo

[hexed forge]

So anyways

[fast forge]

idk I had my theories for today

[hexed forge]

Time to overthink

Oh wow... CAMA LORE! Oh wait no lore... aw

[fast forge]

can't lore, cama

[hexed forge]

Im thinking of a lore topic that I could overthink at maximum level..

[fast forge]

don't

occam's razor

[hexed forge]

Alright so.

[lethal moat]

Multiple islands

[hexed forge]

The errant 291 "map" sheet. I always think about this, each section, is it each a different island? Or is it each a different sector on gateway/island?

[fast forge]

I think it's all gateway

[hexed forge]

At first I thought its a sector on an island, buttttttttt, I always get doubts.

[hexed forge]

I always doubt that because of Olympus.. I for some reason dont think its on gateway

[fast forge]

see I'm an Olympus = volcano believer

[hexed forge]

I am a Hades entry = volcano believer

Poseidon entry being somewhere on the coast... port? No.. Im not sure.. but somewhere on the coast or in the ocean even perhaps. And zues entry being.. hm

[fast forge]

Zeus lives on top of a mountain

[hexed forge]

I just need confirmation about the "map" sheet so I can finally rest at peace...

[hexed forge]

Highlands

[fast forge]

Sky, Earth, Water

[hexed forge]

Also how many islands does AE have? Perhaps each island serves a different purpose.

One island for testings gen 2s... another for gen 1?

I hope we get some lore soon..

https://tenor.com/view/talking-to-myself-talking-myself-oh-my-goodness-goodness-gif-18999950

[fast forge]

sorry I had to dish up dinner

[fast forge]

It makes sense different islands would have different facilities on them. I imagine gateway is a testing grounds of some sort, but I could be wrong

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[weary lichen]

are there any differences between legacy dinos and evrima dinos lore wise?

[lethal moat]

What do you mean by that?

[weary lichen]

like are there any differences, like generations i mean.

is it like a second version>

[lethal moat]

The dinosaurs that are coming back are 0.1.2, most likely as a reference to legacy (an easter egg if you will), but we also didn’t know quite enough to make good comparisons between now and then

[weary lichen]

i see

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

[lethal moat]

Although it’s potentially an easter egg, legacy and evrima lore are different and aren’t connected

[weary lichen]

quick question, whats a good place for carnos to spawn?

[weary lichen]

they aren't

?

[lethal moat]

Some stuff may be reused from legacy in Evrima, but thay are basically two different games, with legacy getting scrapped eventually

[lethal moat]

East plains usually has a decent amount of players

[weary lichen]

thanks

[weary lichen]

to be fair, legacy didn't have much lore.

[lethal moat]

It had more in some aspects and less in others compared to evrima

[weary lichen]

not as far as im aware anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary lichen]

i see

[lethal moat]

I’d love to see something like Olympus Transmitter getting reactivated again

Maybe we’ll have to do that in game

[weary lichen]

maybe, just seems to be if they want to, or if they have time

im just happy they fixed most of the performance issues.

[lethal moat]

Lore is fun, gives me something to think about at work

[weary lichen]

nothing else to entertain so why not?

[lethal moat]

I’m interested in the concept of Echidna being a carrier, I think that’ll be my focus for the next few days

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly
It would make sense for either Poseidon or Zeus entry to the volcano

Poseidon also controls earth quakes and much of the moving ground (unlike the roman Neptune, who Pluto is known more to be of control of)

Or potentially Zeus
As a volcano reaching for the sky. Connection between earth and Olympus

[fast forge]

what strain is echidna associated with?

[lethal moat]

N

[fast forge]

I really like the idea that neurotenic stuff infects other stuff, very fun concept

[lethal moat]

[thick ginkgo]

hey

[lethal moat]

Howdy

[hexed forge]

yay

That's only if the "map" is actually gateway

[fast forge]

I figure in terms of major reveals they'll start with the basics and work out from there. This is why I think all the docs will typically refer to gateway (unless stated otherwise), the mystery stuff in videos will involve upcoming playables (shadow is rex), and we probably won't see anything relating to strains or the matriarch until we get the roster filled out a bit better

[lethal moat]

Counterpoint: If I get anything on the matriarch, I will be happy as a clam

Therefore, matriarch soon

[fast forge]

This also allows them flexibility with the more complex things: get the basics figured out before you set things in stone or paint yourself into a lore corner by talking about strains prematurely

[lethal moat]

Right

[fast forge]

Do we even know how the matriarch will factor into the gameplay at all? They could go so far as making it a modeled creature in the game - a raid boss or whatever - or do so little that it's just something hinted at in lore documents, and important if you want to understand the timeline

[lethal moat]

We don’t know anything, I’m hoping for a TSL boss

[fast forge]

TSL?

The iSLe

[lethal moat]

Time Species Location
Basically an event dependent on those three factors to trigger

[fast forge]

Is this a concept the devs have talked about?

[lethal moat]

Yeah, Dondi talked about it awhile ago

[fast forge]

It's very interesting, sounds quite fun

Especially if it includes both small and large events

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

I want deino ai TSL for gen 2

[fast forge]

deino? Like, they get jumped by an AI when near a body of water?

[lethal moat]

Maybe a specific water source at a specific time under specific conditions

[lethal moat]

It just now occurred to me exactly how much Isle jargon I use

[fast forge]

I would love more events - beached whale, meteor shower, disease outbreak, crashed helicopter, mystery sightings/calls (strains, gen 1/2, echidna, matriarch, signs of replicator), etc

I had been including solar eclipse on that list, but they added that...

Wait, I just realized I don't think I've seen an eclipse in HT in days...

[hexed forge]

They removed it pretty sure

[lethal moat]

It was just a temporary thing I believe

[fast forge]

I was just saying this in #isle-discussion but I hope it remains as a rather rare event. It would be a little silly if they went through the effort of programming it only to use it for a single week on a test server

[scarlet verge]

But if they added it as a random thing that had a chance of happening like one in every 500 game days, that would be pretty cool. Not sure how much coding it would take though

[civic prism]

would people even notice the eclipse lol? and not just assume its dark cause of the weather

[lethal moat]

Me

[fast forge]

yes, it was very noticeable when it randomly gets dark very quickly on a sunny day

[fast forge]

oh, the weather is largely fixed on hordetest

[lethal moat]

I look forward to logging any random event triggers we come across, sort of a library of wacky stuff happening

[fast forge]

sunny days are frequent now

[civic prism]

most of my time on hordetest was during the night and often with storms xd

i did noticed i didnt needed night vision during a rainy day tho

[fast forge]

also the light from sunrise appears much much earlier

[civic prism]

yeah i think its 6 am now

and the sunset is later

[lethal moat]

Love hordetesting lighting changes, and I think the normal rain’s darkness is less intense as well, which is nice

[fast forge]

you can start setting the light from sunrise as early as 4:30

everything with the lighting

[civic prism]

idk what they did in details but now my fps doesnt change during a storm, where usually lightning strikes would kill my fps

feels a bit blurry tho but thats probably related to anti aliasing, i hope we can change our AA back when its updated to the main branch because right now we cant.

anyway, im off topic, BUT, do we know why they made dinosaurs in the first place in the facility?

[lethal moat]

Did you just ask why dinosaurs?

[fast forge]

No, "why dinosaurs?" is the biggest question in the lore right now

[lethal moat]

Something something climate change something something

[civic prism]

https://tenor.com/view/goldblum-sexy-ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-gif-4798691

yes, “...Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should.

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[fast forge]

one of these days Don is just gonna casually drop the answer in here, and our heads will explode

[civic prism]

probably something different, i mean there is this weird machine that make us respawn etc in the lore lol

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

The answer is dinosaurs are cool

[civic prism]

so, because the seas are rising and the world is getting warmer, we make ceratosaurus?

im missing a link between the two

i mean, they were adapted to such climate, but still

[lethal moat]

Yep

[civic prism]

remaking a new ecosystem?

[lethal moat]

Something like that

[civic prism]

tell me

[lethal moat]

We do not know

[civic prism]

[fast forge]

yeah this is about as far as we've guessed

[lethal moat]

Just keep brute forcing ideas and it’ll work eventually

[civic prism]

do we know how they even remade dinosaurs/pterosaurs?

[lethal moat]

Replicator, likely as original creations based off of dinosaur physiology, rather than legitimate clones

[scarlet verge]

We also know the in-game Troo was fused using raptor dna right?

[lethal moat]

Not specifically raptor, but troodon was made based off of an unspecified something else

[hexed forge]

" What if we did this to that" iirc

[lethal moat]

Yeah

I’m more curious about the character that decided that rather than what troodon’s source material is

[hexed forge]

Dr. Rumple

Im calling it

[lethal moat]

I’m not dying on the island

[valid geyser]

Dr. Rumple

[hexed forge]

You will not die, you got plot armor, main characters dont die

[hexed forge]

Thats it. Spread the word, maybe dondi can add it into real lore

[valid geyser]

[lethal moat]

I specifically don’t want to do a doctorate because it’s too expensive and I am too lazy

[valid geyser]

Just something a Dr. Rumple would say..

[hexed forge]

Dr Suess was not a doctor, yet he was called doctor because of his wisdom

[lethal moat]

In what alternate dimension are you in where I’m wise

[hexed forge]

The dimension of the isle

[lethal moat]

You don’t watch my streams enough to know the absolutely stupid stuff I say and do while playing with my friends

[hexed forge]

I remember watching your deino stream and you started playing the "Russian guy attempts to pronounce every US state while drunk"

[lethal moat]

I love that video

[hexed forge]

Same

[lethal moat]

But yeah, no doctor Rumple, this man does not have the patience to do it

[pale marsh]

What
Do we know about troodon in lore? I'm that sense atleast, I may have a dumb idea

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167557586699178054/1167557752655187978/bdjbew.png?ex=662d5d64&is=662c0be4&hm=1913648f96f8c9500b43cc4ea2bab0e53ece5cfb9c9a70015d09b0c63ab35950&

[pale marsh]

What if troodon is an off shoot of velo

Tho I cant think of a reason why make a venomous off shoot of velo

Not sure there even is a satisfying answer tbh

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it's not super relevant rn, but its a neat little tidbit of information

[hexed forge]

Velo injected with stable T strain

Could it be that the hyper rex, Neuro spino, etc werent successful operations?

Unstable

[lethal moat]

Lets talk about the in world character, did he work with troodon's predecessor or did he specialize in the alterations that were done to that predecessor

[hexed forge]

Rumple... the more you talk about the creator of troodon the more you are spoiling something... I might be overthinking again but.. Yeah..

[lethal moat]

I don't know anything

[hexed forge]

uh huh

Alright there Dr. Rumple

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

[hexed forge]

yay

[lethal moat]

Just because I use big words doesn't mean I'm smart

[hexed forge]

Im not referring to that

Anyways, I wonder when we will finally know about an actual human in the lore... and who might it be..

[lethal moat]

Hoping to see personality from characters in lore, rather than just names of people projects are attributed to

[hexed forge]

Employee report sheet?

[lethal moat]

Give me a diary or a mental health evaluation of employees

How do they feel about what they're doing

Just because you're doing something for the greater good doesn't mean it's pleasent

[hexed forge]

I see

Then that just brings us to another question. Does AE even care about their employees? Whats the minimum

[lethal moat]

I'd say it depends on the employee and the use of EIPs, because with EIPs bodies are (more) expendable because you could just get a new one

[swift echo]

cannibalism

[lethal moat]

And also what EIPs are because there's a decent probability we currently are misunderstanding them since everything is based off of legacy

[hexed forge]

Yea EIP lore would be helpful

[lethal moat]

Embryo Intelligence Profile

There's a lot of things it could have changed

The name itself sounds like it's just a bundle of information about a creature's mental capabilities

[fast forge]

Are you familiar with any SCP lore? Would be cool to see Isle equivalents to Dr. Clef, Dr. Bright, Dr. Moose, Placeholder McDoctorate, etc.

[lethal moat]

I know a little bit, and I agree, something like that would be neato

Dr. Sherman is a fun one

[hexed forge]

Sherman tank?

[fast forge]

I'm not familiar with them

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-15070190

Why is that sherman a soviet tank. Anyways. Why are we talking about shermans?

[lethal moat]

It's a dude on youtube that does silly videos from the perspective of an obscure SCP Dr

[fast forge]

Just famous doctors in a vaguely similar canon, SCP

[lethal moat]

Stop being so American for one second

[hexed forge]

Im not even american

[fast forge]

I haven't heard of him

[fast forge]

pff, Americans

[lethal moat]

You're getting to that mark of time spent in the country to be a citizen

[hexed forge]

I am already a citizen of America, but I dont count myself american

[lethal moat]

I see

Anyways

[hexed forge]

Yes anyways

I really dont know any lore topic rn

[lethal moat]

SCP is always a fun comparison to AE's procedures from what I've seen so far

[fast forge]

As someone who works with lab animals, I very much would like to see tough ethical choices for AE employees

[hexed forge]

Tiny needs to see the SCP videos you showed me

[fast forge]

The Isle seems to borrow from a lot of stuff, in my opinion. SCP, Jurassic Park (obv), The Forest, and maybe a bit of Portal

[lethal moat]

She's probably already seen them

[hexed forge]

Maybe

[fast forge]

who is it? I only follow a few skip channels - the exploring series and maybe volgun

also uh, confinement, before that exploded

[lethal moat]

096 and SCP overlord

Just two videos, not channels

[hexed forge]

^

The 096 one is my fav

[fast forge]

series one scp's

[lethal moat]

I can see AE doing vivisections unfortunately

[hexed forge]

Just imagine the Neuro isnt actually dead, and just wakes up randomly

[lethal moat]

Like in a vivisection

[fallow harbor]

its intestines are out i think

[hexed forge]

Yes but- oh

[fast forge]

yeah those are intestines fs

[hexed forge]

Awesome gore

[lethal moat]

you can live without them for a short time

[fast forge]

they give // buff but probably infect you

[hexed forge]

Wanna test it out rumple

Let the entire lorecord test it out!

[lethal moat]

How else are you supposed to see exactly how it does the EMP doodads

[hexed forge]

For the science

Whose gonna be the victim

[lethal moat]

For the future of humanity

[lethal moat]

I vote Neuro since it fits

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[fast forge]

Vivisections are just called operations if they are performed humanely... and tbh I'd prefer to work on an anesthetized N spino over an awake one...

[lethal moat]

Scaredy cat

[fast forge]

That being said, dosing large animals with tranquilizers is always iffy. I know zoologists working on rhinos only have a rough idea how long they'll stay knocked out

[lethal moat]

Don't tranquillizers work differently on animals with wack hormones? Like certain animals when mating season?

[fast forge]

probably, I know there are many variables like weight and metabolism, and musth would likely affect that

[lethal moat]

How much trial and error for dosing anything affected by a strain

[fast forge]

a TON

[lethal moat]

Unless they have a built in off switch, which wouldn't be a bad idea

[fast forge]

even just for dinosaurs in general it would be guesswork on how much you dose them

Too little and they wake during biopsy

Too much and you've killed your multi-million dollar animal

[civic prism]

i mean, with the replicator, those can be cheaper no? since you can make them again and again, tbh we dont know how t he replicator works so maybe its still expensive

[lethal moat]

Have a specific protein drastically slow down blood flow, you keep it alive mechanically until you're done with whatever you're doing, and use a different protein to neutralize the other protein, (probably not how it works, but you know, just build in something to make maintanance easier)

[lethal moat]

Not a clue

But in general, automation makes things cheaper

[civic prism]

btw i guess its like for every other animals, lets says a lion, or an elephant, they probably knew without killing them, its not like your testing on pigs that are cheap and there is billions of them on earth, barely hundreds of them (i think)

[civic prism]

probably cheaper because its some kind of sci-fi magical AI thingie. + they probably have giant funds from what they sell and investors anyway, we can see it just by the megastructures, those are so much bigger than olympic stadium, with their own ecosystem inside and infrastructures xd, those would such a high price it would be foolish to guess how much they would really cost

good question: how much meter is it from coord x: 0 to x: 1, to guess whats the size of the map/the megastructures

you can fit multiple time the volcano, multiple time gateway lake (which is immense), a big part of the highland, or the entire swamp inside "perimeter"

and a biodome is basically the size of one of the main lake (counting the forest around them)

[lethal moat]

Cheaper doesn’t mean not expensive

[lethal moat]

Depends on the structure, but the smaller domes are about 1 km squared

[civic prism]

thats gigantic lol

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[civic prism]

do we have building this big irl? we certainly have for the height, but for both height, and surface?

[lethal moat]

Our closest comparison has been the dallas cowboys football stadium, which is what I’ve been using for the rough guesstimate on cost

[civic prism]

i doubt it works for cost comparison, because the size isnt all, whats impressive is the fact that (i think) there is supposed to be an ecosystem inside, not some stadium, that there is probably scientific installations too etc

[lethal moat]

Yeah, we have nothing to realistically compare it to, so we go for what we currently have, which is a rough sized building that is close enough

[civic prism]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Islands_Resort

lol found this but even that is pretty small compared to what we have ingame

[lethal moat]

It probably costs more, but we’ll call it a conservative guess

[lethal moat]

And not as structurally sound

[civic prism]

i mean, its a big dome

xd

[lethal moat]

Our current guesstimate on Gateway’s cost of current structures is around 10 billion on the lower end

USD

[fast forge]

was the "redwoods biome inside perimeter" ever confirmed, or is that speculation?

[fallow harbor]

dondi heavy hinted at it on stream

[fast forge]

Then I think that's a big hint at their research goals. You'd probably only need to recreate a unique biome like that if you were studying ecology

[lethal moat]

Right (I’m holding out hope for desert and tundra in two if the smaller ones)

[fast forge]

Boreal forest seems more likely than tundra to me. Tundras provably didn't exist during the mesozoic (but boreal forest did), and also tundra looks kinda boring, just a frozen desert

[civic prism]

also going from tropical to the tundra, even if its an ecnlosed ecosystem would looks weird, redwood looks more sensible

[lethal moat]

There’s 4 domes, that leaves a lot of potential

[acoustic osprey]

I mean it refers to GUTS which we know is related to Gateway

[fast forge]

aren't they removing one?

I thought east dome was getting removed?

[hexed forge]

GUTS in general is just an underground system, which can be used for multiple islands. Not just one. right?

[fast forge]

they took textures off it in hordetest

[acoustic osprey]

We do know the domes are used to stimulate certain environments to help "x" tests

[acoustic osprey]

No
We know GUTS, from a Don steam
Was "the guts of Gateway"

[hexed forge]

Oh... mmmm...

[lethal moat]

The might be, I don’t know

[fast forge]

just another thing I've heard, but I did notice the texture removal myself

[acoustic osprey]

It was in a debug statis

Either he meant the debug model was going to be removed
Or he meant the whole dome

[fast forge]

I see

The other day I climbed it and I could see between the textures to the inside of the shell. Mildly interesting at best

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, are they currently using the debug mode currently?

[fast forge]

I don't know?

[acoustic osprey]

why not

[hexed forge]

Wdym

[acoustic osprey]

the domes when on the first hordetesting this month were the debug version to what I can recall
basically lower poly

(not including Perm, only the normal domes)

[hexed forge]

Oh yeah, all of them except the perimeter

My theory was that they are getting remodeled/retextured for some reason, but its just a theoryyy

[acoustic osprey]

I presume there might be some work being done on them

I don't presume Vis would just "redo" them
we know he made them. No point doing it again

but I'm guessing some work/placement stuff is now being put into consideration now?

[lethal moat]

Give them a helicopter hole to fly in through

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496060

[hexed forge]

You said you didnt like that idea

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I don’t recall that conversation

[acoustic osprey]

I can only really see it with Perimeter unless the normal dome models are updated

[hexed forge]

Gimme a sec

[fast forge]

died to a cerato who got the tip of my tail as I was climbing

[hexed forge]

@lethal moat

[lethal moat]

I don’t want a crash hole, I want a proper transportation hole

[hexed forge]

My bad

[fast forge]

was that you at the dead omni?

[hexed forge]

A breakout hole was my idea, from the pterosaurs. Not exactly a crash from a helicopter, that would just be random. But a transportation hole would be nice too

[lethal moat]

I want it to be secure

[hexed forge]

I still have hope for each dome to have a strain biome (Likely not gonna happen)

[acoustic osprey]

I don't really see "each" having one

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

but I can see whatever the "botany" area being having a section for strain plants

[hexed forge]

Ah, that could be a thing too. A dome perhaps having sections?

Section A: Diet plants(Where they experiment on them)
Section B: Strain plants
Section C: etc

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
the domes are big

I don't presume all will be entirely a singular thing

[hexed forge]

Desert biome I would like that to be the entire dome

[acoustic osprey]

that depends on where the actual botany rnd place is to be fair

[hexed forge]

Entire dome* mb Im a bit tired

[hexed forge]

Mmmm, I mean, a dome would make sense right? Its kind of like a greenhouse, a big one.

[acoustic osprey]

we know from the Quetz dossier
it's possible a dome is/has a botany section

at least, a greenhouse section/atrium interior

[fast forge]

the domes do kinda make sense if they were trying to recreate entire ecosystems

[hexed forge]

Si

[acoustic osprey]

and that is what was basically inferred by Don some time last year

do wish for more complexity of understanding though

[hexed forge]

I hope we get some sort of cave enviornment, and inside that cave a possible research station for plants that grow in caves... I always thought that for some reason east plains could be a perfect place to put in a giant cave system.

[acoustic osprey]

GUTS!!

if Don is still going with his 'old' explanation that is

[fast forge]

Wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of caves popped up. There is already a blocked-off cave entrance in the little spot at the volcano's peak

[fast forge]

are there any cave plants? plants are autotrophs and need sunlight

fungi I could see

[hexed forge]

uhhhh, Google has the answer!

[fast forge]

yeah so just low-light plants that still need the sun

[hexed forge]

The cave doesnt gotta be completelyyy dark

[fast forge]

I'm just saying that cave plants aren't really a thing

[pale marsh]

Be cool If there are plants engineered by AE to survive caves and such
Don't know how they'd work, even as carnivorous plants

[hexed forge]

Oh, thats interesting, maybe AE could have done that 🤔

I hate autocorrect

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
they're a botany company originally in a sci-fi world

things are possible
I'd say Evrima AE is far more "realistic sci-f" than crazy fanatical sci-fi

So I could see nocturnal plants being a thing.
but it'd definitely have to be heavily modified to make some sense
for example, possibly Neuro x Plant combination allowing "X" plant to survive in dark climates due to whatever factor

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

Strain plants 😊

[acoustic osprey]

you love 'em, you hate 'em

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-life-dream-job-laid-back-thats-the-way-it-is-steve-carell-gif-15663535

[pale marsh]

I'm just tryna think what the plants could get nutrients from? Filter from the air??

[fast forge]

you could possibly have chemotrophic plants, or if they are really hypercarnivorous and obtain calories and not just nutrients from animals

[acoustic osprey]

H-Plant most definitely

[hexed forge]

T-Plant

Insane level of regeneration, and perhaps, for example an orange tree regrowing the oranges back quickly no matter the climate

[acoustic osprey]

grow from underwater rivers/riverbed/moisture-esque plants?

[hexed forge]

I meant T plant god damnit, I need sleep

[acoustic osprey]

I still presume the law of conservation of energy would still apply?

[pale marsh]

Would require underground water deposits, I'm assuming this would be, in GUTS and

Idk if it'll have some water bodies

[hexed forge]

Nah

Joking, yeah, in some way... Its sci-fi after all. Gotta make an explanation up

[pale marsh]

What, if, through some scifi means
A plant that can extract resources from the rock walls itself?

[acoustic osprey]

literal dirt eater mentality

[pale marsh]

Something that could produce a strong acid? But
Where'd it get the resources to produce acid in order to extract them . . .

[hexed forge]

Also didnt Don say that the botany lore right now is still very unfinished/not thought through yet?

[pale marsh]

Dunno

[hexed forge]

I think I remembered something like that, not 100% sure

[acoustic osprey]

@patent ginkgo I'm pretty sure

[pale marsh]

I'm having
An idea

[hexed forge]

Elaborate

[acoustic osprey]

no

[hexed forge]

oh

[pale marsh]

Plants
That can someway somehow survive in low light environments, but produces its own light

A purposed organism created by AE?

A lamp plant

[hexed forge]

But how would it create its own light

[acoustic osprey]

the plants next to each other also using it's light to energise others of it's own kind

[pale marsh]

My brain immediately goes to lightning bug light

But stronger

So chemical reaction

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

[pale marsh]

Mayybbee??? Idk if that'd be pushing it

My issue is

How would you get energy INTO the cave system

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[pale marsh]

Yeaaa

Best I have is

Lamp Plants at the mouth of the cave, that feed into a chain of plants further into the cave

But I don't like the idea of lamp plants feeding eachother

Real, plug surge protector into itself for infinite power sort of thing

Maybe
If and only if the cave is relatively shallow from the surface

Plants above ground have roots that burrow down into the cave system

[fast forge]

I'd say

they taught plants to have a symbiosis with chemotrophic bacteria in the volcanic soil, and the plants just get their energy from the bacteria through chemosynthesis

[patent ginkgo]

Yep

[hexed forge]

👍

[fast forge]

(combining the concept of chemosynthetic bacteria in hot springs/deep sea volcanic vents with the symbiosis of plants and nitrogen-fixing bacteria)

[patent ginkgo]

Cave plants could be parasitic towards the roots of trees

Similar to some non photosynthetic parasitic plants irl

[lethal moat]

Have plants that are sucking electricity out of live wires for fuel

Prune them to reactivate an underground part of a favility

[hexed forge]

N plants

[patent ginkgo]

🪴…

[hexed forge]

Plant

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

[acoustic osprey]

sentient Replicator wanting plant

[lethal moat]

Nah, that’s Jolly’s EIP before getting inserted into a body

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[patent ginkgo]

So true

[scarlet verge]

Just going to throw this out there since this reminded me of it. There's a hotel in Nashville called the Gaylord Opryland. It's 3.3 million sq feet under a dome and it has an atrium inside. I tried to find photos to show the size of it and how different biomes could fit inside

Also that reminded me of the Omaha Zoo, where they have a desert biome

[acoustic osprey]

funny name

actually was the name of one of my characters in SWTOR

@lethal moat question for the PDA

[lethal moat]

Shoot

[acoustic osprey]

do we have that registered in the lore doc rn?

[lethal moat]

No, since we only have one reference to it and we made the connection to the tablets ourselves and it's unconfirmed

[acoustic osprey]

and we made the connection to the tablets ourselves and it's unconfirmed

what's this?

[lethal moat]

The connection to the tablet is unconfirmed

[acoustic osprey]

what tablet

[acoustic osprey]

that's the PDA I am referring to

[lethal moat]

Yeah, we don't have a confirmed connection, and I call it a tablet because I'm a little bit sleepy

[acoustic osprey]

connection to what though?

[lethal moat]

The name PDA

[acoustic osprey]

PDA is just a phrase as it's a tablet we see used by a Gen2 in a dossier

[lethal moat]

Yep, it's a probable connection, but not confirmed

Plus, PDA isn't specifically said to be a tablet, just implied

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1066246368261316640/1092838473779662898/togif-19.gif

[lethal moat]

I believe that's what it is, but I don't want to put it in before we get confirmation

[acoustic osprey]

I'm just refering to this

[lethal moat]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

which is a tablet, used by Gen2s
hence PDA!!

[lethal moat]

When has PDA been described as a tablet?

[acoustic osprey]

when has it been described as a tablet

[lethal moat]

Nvm

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-kill-them-all-pirata-matalos-a-todos-matalos-a-todos-pirata-gif-15217348

[lethal moat]

I'll log it into the document

[acoustic osprey]

anyways
I think, seeing as it's a custom model
might as well put the info on the back on it

https://gyazo.com/d2c013772a217f26881a77eac76ca0b8
as this seems to be some sort of company logo

[lethal moat]

Me scrolling through past devblogs:

https://tenor.com/view/moon-knight-marvel-khonshu-mr-knight-gif-25089445

[acoustic osprey]

lol

• CID (or C/D)
  • PDA (Personal digital assistant)
    Model: IBC233B RS
    A. 302150 / R C C / 381492314B

this seems good for it right now

[lethal moat]

"Can be used to pull documentation at any time from the waystation"

[acoustic osprey]

oh true

i think we'll make this a footnote

[lethal moat]

Ight

[acoustic osprey]

just so it doesn't clutter

[lethal moat]

Good move

I'm going to dive into some old devblogs

[acoustic osprey]

nice, should be all good for the PDA for now.

[lethal moat]

Not incredibly relevant to lore, but neat to know we had advance warning of Don's pfp

[acoustic osprey]

"swarm gameplay"
horde

[lethal moat]

Solo does decent

Looks like this hasn't changed too much

Wonder what the cages are going to showcase (this devblog was posted after the drop in phase three)

[acoustic osprey]

that's the one Vis shows a bit of perimeter workings?

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, they really do nothing in-game atm

just cool looking things
we haven't seem all five though, have we?

[lethal moat]

I think we have

[lethal moat]

Strain showcase with shattered cages when

[acoustic osprey]

something quick and wacky

[lethal moat]

I feel like thats () / () like a corperation with two names in the title

I did a really poor representation displaying that

[acoustic osprey]

unsure what you mean

[lethal moat]

Like Rumple/Lightclaw incorperated

But abbreviated to R/L inc

[acoustic osprey]

ah yes

Yeah
thinking either CID or C/D

if it's CID
the "D" could likely be devices

seeing as they would've made the PDA

[lethal moat]

mhm

So apparently portable genertors are going to be vital to restoring human setlements, which makes sense, but if you don't have a way to transport it, you're just screwed lol

[acoustic osprey]

Powerhouse 48K be ONTOP 💪

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

[lethal moat]

The thing in perimeter server room is described as "security console" which doesn't rule out tracking system

[lethal moat]

I will drag it by hand from perimeter to K12

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[lethal moat]

It will take hours and I will be slaughtered by a beipi on the large bridge

Old storage facility stuff

[acoustic osprey]

no, I believe that general model is in the game i'm pretty sure
excluding the exterior line stuff

depends on the size
but the general idea of that model is there

specifically at H6

[lethal moat]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

although, I wonder how big that one is

[lethal moat]

Looks like it goes pretty far back

Maybe designed for underground

[acoustic osprey]

potentially
although that exterior design is interesting (on the sides)

[lethal moat]

Dockyard stuff pls

[acoustic osprey]

mhm!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/scourge-thor-ragnarok-my-stuff-gif-14269794

I spent 37 hours on this

[lethal moat]

Found a flight manual for a helicopter similar to the ones we've been seeing https://www.safarihelicopter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/safari_flight_manual.pdf

The ability to glide 3/4 of a mile per 1000 feet altitude on autorotation might come in handy

[lethal moat]

Both of the helicopters we've seen use the same base as the one in the manual

[acoustic osprey]

they should be the same helis anyways (both art)

[lethal moat]

Yeah, slightly different viewing windows, but both are the same helicopter

[acoustic osprey]

think that's just perspective

[lethal moat]

You're right

[acoustic osprey]

left

[lethal moat]

I was seeing the edge of the helipad through the window

Also found the operation manual for the Willys MB

Jesus christ

I think I'll take the car over the helicopter in 90% of situations

15 gallon tank with 20 miles per gallon is not bad

[wary wolf]

That is pretty solid, considering the amount of distance that you'd have to travel on the daily working at a site like this

A tank of gas could probably last you close to a month, depending on where you sleep.

[lethal moat]

Can also carry 800lbs of cargo in addition to two passengers, or more if you use a trailer

Here's the manual if you want it: http://jeepdraw.com/images/jeepdraw/ADOBE_ACROBAT_FILES/TM9_803_1944.pdf

[wary wolf]

I don't know if they'd use a trailer, considering the terrain

There's quite a lot of tight turns.

[lethal moat]

Even a sled attached with a chain could work, this thing is surprisingly good

[lethal moat]

It can't turn super tight anyways

(1). ENGINE. Drain the engine crankcase oil. If water or sludge
is found, flush the engine, using a mixture of half engine oil SAE 10
and half kerosene. Before putting in new oil, clean the valve chamber,
drain and clean the oil filter, and install a new filter element.
This thing seems relatively simple and easy to maintain

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, to what extent though

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1078217848922574858/Dome_Interior.png?ex=662dfb9f&is=662caa1f&hm=9a0df7757ff2a583280a051ddcc255b475a0068188e480c46948f4b22549be1c& we know such is used like this

but your average normal car trailer? I presume not

[wary wolf]

That's a different vehicle entirely, yeah

[lethal moat]

The Willy’s MB is a jeep style safari vehicle

[wary wolf]

You can tell by how certain roads are built what's traveling them.

[acoustic osprey]

The Toyota MR2 is a mid-engine rear wheeled drive 2 seater coupe

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-jeep-wrangler-just-send-it-offroad-gif-17383409

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
we don't have the road models properly back in yet

[lethal moat]

Just the dirt path

Which fits Willys MB better

[acoustic osprey]

I don't presume AE would use 50+ year old vehicles though

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure they’re still used on safaris

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, most safaris I've seen used more modern Toyotas

[lethal moat]

The vehicle I’m referring to only stopped production in 1988 from what I’m seeing

And it’s incredibly easy to maintain, which would be a plus

[acoustic osprey]

which model?

[lethal moat]

I am very sleepy, it was a different vehicle that didn’t get produced until later

Here’s a better breakdown and I’m going to bed https://mvmec.org/willys-mb/

[wary wolf]

See, the biggest problem with a lot of modern vehicle logic/thinking is that 'older vehicles are bad', which is a thing that happens because of planned obsolescence and other strategies to maintain cash inflow. Older vehicles are designed to be reliable first, and ruggedly functional which is how they -got- such a good name in the first place. so picking an older vehicle that's easier to maintain when you're on what's essentially a military base in the middle of nowhere, they want parts that are cheap and easy to replace and vehicles that are easy to maintan and don't break that often in the first place.

There's a huge difference between commercial vehicles and vehicles like these.

[acoustic osprey]

the Willy MB still would be a 50 year old vehicle.
A lot of people will always say "older better" but that doesn't always stay true for all older vehicles.
Especially with something like the Willy MB, you're also working with older technology which gets more expensive to buy and find. In contrast for your typical business, which would get more modern stuff.
Especially for safety, speed, insurance and pricing. Especially something like commissioned Toyotas for your company.

[acoustic osprey]

that MB model ended in 45

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

not 88 though?

[wary wolf]

Fair stuff, all and true.

[lethal moat]

I was looking at something else

[acoustic osprey]

I don't disagree with you though.
I'd much prefer a 90s/80s Merc than a modern Merc

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patchy-the-pirate-spongebob-what-the-nicktoons-shocked-gif-16487770

however, If I was a doctor/in a high-paid job.
but I'd much rather buy something more modern and expensive and claim it as a company car for tax

[wary wolf]

I dunno if you'd get that kind of luxury out in what is essentially the boonies.

Because they'd have to do all vehicle repair on-site.

[lethal moat]

Easier to maintain would be priority in this situation I would think

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah.
But I'd see something, being roughly 90s-00s in the timeline, akin to the Toyota landcruiser being a nice safari car they'd use

[acoustic osprey]

I presume they care more about maintenance and safety than speed.
They already have fences, so you can only be so safe

no point in speed on an island though

[wary wolf]

That's why they'd most likely buy a large number of one type of vehicle, and a stockpile of replacement parts. By the time you get through the replacement parts, if absolutely necissary you can just grab a copy of the vehicle and get to work.

It's a logstics thing

Company like AE is gonna be all about logistical efficiency.

[acoustic osprey]

win with the toyota, die by the toyota

[civic prism]

those organe lines really adds to the build, currently every building is pure concrete grey, even the furnitures

[hexed forge]

Or the toyota gets crushed by a local rex with you in it

[fast forge]

Me when the topic is genetics or ecology:

Me when the topic is cars and trucks:

[fast forge]

Is this the item you were discussing in the podcast in reference to left-handedness in gen 2?

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tisbutascratch-knight-funny-gif-9050905

[lethal moat]

I believe so

[snow jasper]

So, the thick skin characteristics in sauropods, namely magyarosaurus and camarasaurus are quite interesting

I wonder if it was intentional or coincidental to have sauropods similarly share thick skin

[fast forge]

you were correct in that the thumbstick location seems bizarre

unless it is upside down?

and in that case if it's fitted for the left hand, this could just be so that you can use it with a primary item in the right hand

or if you (as a right-handed person) had to write on a clipboard that you are holding, you'd hold it in your left hand and write with your right

[pseudo fable]

AE logistics does not suffer from Apple's planned obsolescence mindset.

[lethal moat]

Oh hell yeah, old things still work as long as you take care of it

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Cerato, want some operator manuals for helicopters and old military equipment?

[hexed forge]

Leaked military document.. ?

[lethal moat]

Technically yes

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-hand-out-give-me-orangutan-give-me-hand-out-mine-gif-27199184

[hexed forge]

Dondi what do you think of Strain plants? Has the idea ever been explored? 🤔

[lethal moat]

http://jeepdraw.com/images/jeepdraw/ADOBE_ACROBAT_FILES/TM9_803_1944.pdf

[hexed forge]

I see, thanks

[hexed forge]

For example N-Plants, T-Plants, H-plants etc

[pseudo fable]

It was explored before strain dinosaurs.

[hexed forge]

I see

So we might see strain plants in lore?

[lethal moat]

I don't think you're going to get a solid answer today lol

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Lets talk about AE's hiring process

[hexed forge]

I always thought of AE's hiring process being.. very sketchy...

Some random guy in a dark alley

[lethal moat]

I think it'll be military contractor style, just quietly reach out and then fill them in once they sign an NDA, or have them work their way up from the basics

[hexed forge]

I wonder if the employees ever can leave, once they are in, they are in

[lethal moat]

We know that much, but also, why leave? Especially if the benefits are worthwhile

[hexed forge]

Do we know if AE treats their employees poorly or not? If they treat them poorly, that could be a reason to want to leave.

[lethal moat]

We don't really know

However

If I can be functionally immortal, I'd be willing to put up with a lot of stuff

[hexed forge]

Why would they be immortal? Not every employee is an EIP right?

[lethal moat]

We do not know

But it would be nice

[hexed forge]

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bihKt.gif

[hexed forge]

Torture of being the test subject? Also would this mean that the employees are(Or atleast some) are granted with the ability of being immortal?

[lethal moat]

Worth

[pseudo fable]

.

[hexed forge]

.

[pseudo fable]

Sorry. I cough laughed. Don't read into the period or the gif. The gif was mostly reactionary because I couldn't find a "Side effects may include" because I don't think that's ever really explored in immortality stories enough.

[hexed forge]

Ah alright

[lethal moat]

Dependant immortality is great because it can end, true immortality is just the worst

Wanting to never die ever is incredibly shortsighted

[hexed forge]

Tbf, if Im being tortured as a test subject for 1 thousand deaths (Perhaps PAINFUL experiments)

I dont think even dependant immortality is worth it.

[lethal moat]

If I enjoy the benefits of immortality in a changed world that I helped bring forward, I'd do it, it'd be hard but worthwile I think

[fast forge]

Definitely an interesting moral gray area

[lethal moat]

For the EIP, I think it's more cost benefit analysis rather than a moral issue

Hear me out: Type-N carno gulper eel

[abstract vapor]

is there a someone group

[hexed forge]

Wrong chat

[abstract vapor]

sorry

[fast forge]

I guess I meant more like, idk, personal ethics? Duty to oneself?

[lethal moat]

It's definitely not for everyone

[pseudo fable]

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Yolo

Wait

I'm going to make a poll for the lore server

[hexed forge]

hmm

You are insane if you want to be tortured for a thousand lives

[lethal moat]

Think in the big picture

A thousand lives isn't super long compared to however long you want to live

And those lives don't seem exceptionally long

[pseudo fable]

Man.

https://tenor.com/qZ71.gif

I do really enjoy how close people get sometimes.

Sometimes right on the money.

And then just 90 degrees off in a different direction.

[lethal moat]

Shouldn't have brought up thousand life contract

Everything we have on it is theorized

[hexed forge]

This confused my brain

[pseudo fable]

I would strongly consider Obsidian.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

I don't know what that means

[pale marsh]

I never understand anything when the 1k lives contract gets brought up

[hexed forge]

Same

[snow jasper]

banging song, icl

[lethal moat]

I was about to say the same thing

[snow jasper]

i listen to it while showering

[hexed forge]

I still dont understand.

[pseudo fable]

It's an application. Literally the best thing for the stuff you're doing (and it's what I use for my notes). Can create pin graphs just like that, or canvases.

[hexed forge]

Ohhh

[lethal moat]

Ooo, I'm going to check it out

[pseudo fable]

Here's a layout currently of something I'm working on so I can keep my events/timeline in an easy order and lineup. Zoomed out so you can't see the contents, but you can see the flow:

[young viper]

Maybe every time they die they get replicated until they reach 1k and then the contract ends... Yes this popped into my head just now, randomly

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[hexed forge]

Was about to zoom into some notes but then I realized there are no notes

[pale marsh]

Good ol flow charts

[pseudo fable]

This is an image of things written in that file. Each dot is its own entry (think like a wikipedia page). You can reference them within the written body, which will then visually link them here.

[lethal moat]

Oh that's cool

I could totally empty the lore doc into here

[pale marsh]

Gotta ask
How long has the story of the isle been a thing in ur head

[pseudo fable]

The lines are all messy because I just auto-sorted but cleaned up it can be a bit more like this:

[pseudo fable]

OG story has long since been overshadowed to encompass content I promised to put in the game for the community, but some original parts since 2014.

[pale marsh]

Then that makes me hope
Some time in the future youll tell us what the original story was gonna be

[pseudo fable]

It was already stated.

[fallow harbor]

would u ever make a book or something akin to that for the isle that is strictly lore/story ?

[pale marsh]

Was it? Must've missed it

[pseudo fable]

I'm not good enough for that, chief.

[lethal moat]

It was on stream I believe, similarish to Primal Carnage about mercenary vs dino

[pale marsh]

Ah, I'll have to look for a clip after work

[fallow harbor]

dino or "dino"

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[hexed forge]

How about.. A movie

Im joking

[lethal moat]

I'm down to write isle short stories once we get some scientist characters

[pseudo fable]

Just two separate unknown governing bodies and (amount unknown, but there for the player factor) X number of independent contractors doing their best to infiltrate the island and extract equipment, technology, research information, etc. Island itself was not a fan of letting that happen so <insert game>.

[lethal moat]

"The incident" could be fun to create some suspense

[pseudo fable]

👀 What's the incident?

[hexed forge]

Dr. Rumple fights off a pack of troodons

[pale marsh]

Ah ok, neat

[hexed forge]

We theorized it to be the time period of when everything went to hell on the island. Breakouts, etc.

[fast forge]

the assumed event that lead to the degradation of the infrastructure on the island

[lethal moat]

Whatever led to AE leaving

[lethal moat]

nO

Someone hiding in a closet and troodons pitter pattering through the vents to get to him could be a sick scen though

[hexed forge]

Or some sort of incident that happened with the Replicator perhaps?

[hexed forge]

The lockerroom on spiro...

[pseudo fable]

Oh.

[hexed forge]

This too Don.

2 popular theories I think, might be more that I forgot to mention.

[lethal moat]

Maybe show the same thing from different perspectives, "this guy made it out", This guy died first", "This guy tripped and nailed his head on the edge of the sink", "this is someone who went in and filed the report after"

[pale marsh]

I, like to think the fall of the human facilities on the island was much more of a slow burn

[fast forge]

or a snowball thing

[lethal moat]

I think it's a snowball effect sort of situation where it starts to pile up, or it was intentionally abandoned

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bcBHs.gif

I just realized.

[hexed forge]

Oh?

[pseudo fable]

If I'm reading the context clues correctly.

[hexed forge]

[pseudo fable]

That this particular group active I'm talking to right now believes that not only did some incident occur, but it affected all of the islands at once?

All islands just got dropped?

https://tenor.com/4jFx.gif

[pale marsh]

I forgot there's other islands

[lethal moat]

I'm talking about gateway specifically, I don't know hardly anything about other islands, but if gen 2 come from other islands, it makes sense that they maintain some level of functionality

[fast forge]

So is AE active on other islands?

[valid geyser]

Ah i love when Dondi says something that gets all the lore people rethinking everything

[hexed forge]

Just gateway, maybe a few more.

[lethal moat]

AE at least has other islands

[fast forge]

yeah I figured legally owned them, property rights and whatnot. Didn't consider that they are still running facilities on them

[pseudo fable]

I'm curious if any real implications of the story have been considered.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[lethal moat]

I would love to see more in game, especially because of this: "There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story. It does not exist. It has not happened. If it does happen, I've certainly have no written it yet
So you may get a game that has all of that, there is no melting pot of AE's ideas where all of them get shoved into the same thing
So while the gameplay is being supported, it's not just 'oh hey here's an island, it has all of these things on it' it doesn't work like that.

No. The game is not 'non-canonical', it's more so you're gonna get a lens to see various chunks of islands and stories that get told"

[pseudo fable]

• Let me clarify.

[hexed forge]

[pale marsh]

I'll be honest with you man, I don't understand anything, I just come in, read the recent messages and start farting out ideas

[pseudo fable]

Chat was just debating about how tolerable [insert awful thing here] would be if it meant at least semi-functional to fully functional immortality, yeah?

[pale marsh]

My brain is more oriented around things like island ecology and such

Yee

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[pseudo fable]

How long do you think the secret of such a technology is kept? How far do you think an external party or parties would go for a literal technological fountain of youth?

How well do you think the average God fearing human would take that information?

[lethal moat]

Some would definitely destory it if they couldn't have it

[pseudo fable]

No one expected Dino Holy Wars did they?

Now look at you.

[lethal moat]

DEUS VAULT MF

[valid geyser]

Based off history, not long, and I guess it would depend on the party, I could certainly see inside rats if they were like “oHHhH this is baAaaD..”

[hexed forge]

Don... you fried my brain with these questions

[pseudo fable]

But this is also under the assumption that the initial guess of, "AE has semi to fully functional immortality via tech" is correct.

https://tenor.com/bSolB.gif

[lethal moat]

And I will continue to assume so

For now at least

[valid geyser]

I have a feeling dondi likes to confuse the lore people based off the few times I’ve actually read discussions in here
But if that isn’t the case I wonder what would be (as in the lore there)

[young viper]

What do you think of the theory that Augustus was an EIP who was actually in agony and asking for help on that camera?

[pale marsh]

So, secret of Apollo possibly playing god reaches the public, and said public doesn't take it well is what I'm gathering?

[lethal moat]

It's fun to look back with hindsight

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/6irG.gif

[young viper]

Not mine ^

[hexed forge]

Whose theory was that, i forgot

[young viper]

[hexed forge]

I am going to find it!

[lethal moat]

They signed the contract, he's doing his job

[pale marsh]

Oh so EIPs are for sure canon now? I wasn't sure

[lethal moat]

Yes

[hexed forge]

What if he didnt know what was going to happen to him, or WHERE he was going to be sent to? What if the contract lied.

[pale marsh]

Then, now well kept of a secret are they if at all

[lethal moat]

I must go now, democracy needs me

[hexed forge]

https://imgur.com/cqwyrjq

[pseudo fable]

It does not.

[hexed forge]

The contract doesnt lie? Alr

[fast forge]

So the expectations from this contract are explicit

[snow jasper]

I hate how smooth this gif is

[hexed forge]

The gif is from Dondi

[valid geyser]

Doesn’t lie, but a truth can be pushed very far, if certain details were worded certain ways and such people can still be told the truth just.. not all of it?

[young viper]

If the contract doesn't lie, who would be crazy enough to be sent to the island?

[snow jasper]

Still dont like it

[hexed forge]

Rumple appearently

[pale marsh]

Maybe people with nothing left in life

[hexed forge]

THIS GOES BACK TO MY OLD OLD THEORY!

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/98iA.gif

[hexed forge]

That has a big chance of it not being true BUT..

[valid geyser]

That or people who are like on death row or anybody who wouldn’t truly be remembered perhaps?

[hexed forge]

My first thought was that they hired people as EIPs that were.. homeless.. Criminals Perhaps...Etc

[young viper]

people with no more options in life, that the only way to make money is to work on the island?

[balmy scaffold]

okay, i think ive solved the isles ACTUAL lore because all of you are completely missing the mark 100%

all the "apollo engineering" stuff is a complete lie to distract people from who REALLY runs the isle
AE doesnt actually stand for apollo engineering its actually the first 2 letters in Aetosaurus, the triassic crocodian species that died millions of years ago, or at least thats what they want you to think
you see, the Aetosauruses created apollo engineering in secret to control humanity from behind the scenes, why else would their logo be AE???? AEtosaurus duh obviously
also if you look at the skeleton of Aetosaurus it has a skull, you know what else has a skull? the isle's logo!!!
additionally "Apollo Engineering" decided to clone deinosuchus, which is a crocodile but you know what else is a crocodilian? Aetosaurus
they also cloned anky which has armor, you know what else has armor? aetosaurus

"oh but aetosaurus doesnt have thumbs it cant run a company" well who said apollo's executives were human? "Apollo engineering" doesnt say "human engineering" duh

additionally all the hyperendocrin creatures have armor like aetosaurus so clearly the aetosaur overlords are injecting their DNA into the dinosaurs to perfect them and make an ultimate dinosaur army to conquer the world
"the replicator" is also a complete lie obviously if you rearrange the letters you get "aeto rlithpc" rlithpc is obviously some chemical formula that the Aetosaurs are using but it says it right there "aeto" duh

i hope my immense amount evidence convinces you all of the truth behind the REAL isle lore

[hexed forge]

AH

[pale marsh]

SCP class-D moment

[young viper]

oh please.

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

Homeless, criminals, etc.

[pseudo fable]

That sounds unethical and evil.

[valid geyser]

Interview question 101: “soo uhhh.. would anybody notice you going missing?”

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-supernatural-point-great-nice-gif-17184239

[pseudo fable]

You all really want me to just make them haha big evil bad.

[young viper]

....

[hexed forge]

I mean, would they hire rich people? I doubt it, what rich person would want to become semi-immortal as a TEST subject

[fast forge]

I wonder if it's the opposite? The world's finest minds

[pale marsh]

Yea that's the issue with the not wanting AE to be comically evil

I
Don't see how you can avoid a massive corporation being evil and unethical
Without am ends justify the means argument

[lethal moat]

Rich people go to college and know stuff

[pale marsh]

Unless AE is just
Massively misguided

[valid geyser]

I wouldn’t imagine it’d be forced, even if cruel

[ionic sable]

[pale marsh]

Even if they fully transparent
Seeking out homeless/death throw
Etc
Is Inherently predatory

[hexed forge]

My idea was that

They have a good goal, but bad ways of reaching that goal.

Semi-evil

[fast forge]

I think that's too simple

[hexed forge]

mm

[pale marsh]

Big confused

[pseudo fable]

[valid geyser]

I’d imagine it’s a tad more complex, good goal, corruption leaking into the company or whatever the word is
Though again I say this as someone who hardly knows lore

[young viper]

ultron, thanos

[hexed forge]

Everytime Don shares lore here its either

A. We got some minor lore woooo, but a few more questions
B. Ultra confusion and 30000000 questions

[ionic sable]

...

I always interpreted Apollo as being a morally uncorrupted company overall...

[pale marsh]

It's
Hard to be sure of what's too comically evil cuz like

From my perspective as a person, basically everything a massive corporation like Apollo/AE is evil and unethical

But the story is written by dondi
And his biases and perspectives
And unfortunately I can't just read your mind

[hexed forge]

You

[lethal moat]

AE makes some questionable decisions, but in the end, they are still a somewhat respectable company

[pale marsh]

Let me, pick apart your brain so I can learn how you think don

[valid geyser]

Corrupted could mean morally or technologically or some inside issue- corrupted could mean a lot of things

[fast forge]

I don't think they are evil, as any given corporation isn't as transparently evil as we see in almost any media. But actions have consequences, and those can be devastating

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-marvel-small-price-gif-14188934

[hexed forge]

A good purpose but bad ways of fulfilling that purpose

Cmon you cant tell me that giving someone semi-immortality just to torture them as a test subject for 1000 lives is not evil

[pseudo fable]

I cannot.

[fast forge]

I don't think that's what's going on here

[hexed forge]

Explain what you think

[lethal moat]

It's payment, which can be exploitive, but this one is not inherently horrible I don't think

[pale marsh]

Maybe, AE somehow, doesn't realize just how messed up being an eip is

Which no
AE would have to filled with idiots for that to work

[fast forge]

I really don't know, I think there could be a number of possible situations - Fanatical devotion to the company? Or maybe there are benefits of which we aren't aware?

The greater good?

[pale marsh]

Maybe the world outside is just that bad or getting so bad, that going thru with the 1kL contract is worth it by comparison????

Still

Doubt that

[hexed forge]

Benefits... hmmm...... Perhaps after your 1 thousand lives are over.. AE grants you money....? Or something else as a reward?

[valid geyser]

Yes- or they’re desperate to help find a solution?
Could AE be more than just a company-?? I don’t know- the more I think the more I forget lore

[fast forge]

Once again, we don't even know if the downsides outweigh the upsides - what if they were promised heaven? We just don't know

[hexed forge]

Heaven being a new life from their old life(Before they helped AE)? Perhaps

[young viper]

Maybe the reward is a new life? Completely different from the bad life you had?

[fast forge]

Salvation after an apocalypse? Safety in a Vault-Tec vault?

[hexed forge]

I wonder if we are getting anywhere close to what it actually is... and Don could be just sitting on his chair and laughing at us

[hexed forge]

Thats what I just said

[lethal moat]

He did that earlier

[pale marsh]

Like I said
I want to
Examine his brain

[young viper]

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Thousand life contract could also be overseeing EIPs for a thousand lives, which would be more managable if you were overseeing multiple at once

[fast forge]

So presumably this is the primary reason for outside groups attacking the tomb?

[pale marsh]

Stupid idea

[hexed forge]

TOMB... library of information? Technology? Would they raid it for that?

[pale marsh]

What if instead of one person living a thousand lives in succession

It's one person living many lives
At once, like, somehow, copy and pasting someones mind

[hexed forge]

But its also connected to EIP.. so... Profiles of all the EIPs... but why?

[lethal moat]

Storage of successful mutations is my best met

[hexed forge]

So they would raid it for the information?

[lethal moat]

Depends who "they" is

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

he did just give us the synopsis of the original story

[hexed forge]

Automatons and the bugs ofcourse

[pale marsh]

Don't look at me like that
Somebody has to ask the stupid questions

[lethal moat]

Which isn't as relevant as it once was, since the story has changed significantly since the game was first started

[hexed forge]

I never called it stupid

[pale marsh]

Buh

So

How unified do we wager gen1 are on gateway?

[hexed forge]

We know there are different types iirc. So I hope either

A: Unified as some form of civilization
B: Different tribes?

Don I saw you typing Spill the beans

[pseudo fable]

On what?

[hexed forge]

This perhaps? And Iris's question

Idk, I thought you were going to say something when you typed

[pseudo fable]

Unification doesn't matter. Playerbase would still murder one another.

Which is why it's unlikely I'd write such a thing like that.

[hexed forge]

Damn alright

[pale marsh]

Fair enough
I'm just fascinated with gen1 and want to know, everything about them

[hexed forge]

What is gen 1s purpose?

What is their purpose

Whats their goal, what are they trying to do, etc.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bTTM3.gif

[hexed forge]

To kill on sight? I dont understand the gif

[fast forge]

Are we even close to correct on this?

[pseudo fable]

It is arguable.

[fast forge]

(underrated movie btw, very silly but enjoyable)

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

hacker wall incoming (and I'm here for it)

[valid geyser]

Arguable..? That could mean a whole bunch..
Like they successfully have the tech to make someone immortal but it takes away humanity.. you could argue there that.. yes they are immortal now but are they human?
EUGAGAHUERH- Lore hurt braaaain

[ionic sable]

When I started outlining the story for Apollo Files, seeing all of your comments that directly contradicted the story I was writing kinda bothered me because I wanted it to be largely accurate to the actual game lore.

But I think I've reached the point where I actually really enjoy seeing the vastly different directions the stories are going.

Makes me excited to see both through to the final product.

[hexed forge]

Short wall

[ionic sable]

Call it a fence

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

[pseudo fable]

Some of the best Star Wars stories will never be canon. Make what you make.

[fast forge]

yes, make art for the sake of the art

not any lasting cultural memory - that can come afterward

[hexed forge]

I wonder what the next lore video will have/be about

Rex and trike perhaps since they are next, but about what?

Strains? Shirley? Unusual behaviour? Migration? Found files? We can only guess

[fast forge]

Documentary about Shirley, narrated by Attenborough

[blazing hinge]

internal conflicts between specimens

[hexed forge]

Trike being aggresive? Like.. EXTRA aggresive?

It would be nice if Dondi gave us a clue

[fast forge]

well the dibble video didn't relate to any specific quality of dibble, it was mostly just AE's documentation of the injection of dibble, and data on migration, diet, etc.

[young viper]

Please don, make this real

https://tenor.com/view/hulk1-gif-18719605

[hexed forge]

Its real in lore

The trinity

[fast forge]

more like kong tbh

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[fast forge]

king kong and godzilla combined

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-gif-20784341

[lethal moat]

Just because it can be used to make someone immortal doesn't mean it's designed to be used that way

[young viper]

I can see this big guy breaking those gates at Gateway, I don't know their size limit either

[pulsar moss]

So now we're almost sure AE has put humans soul into dinosaurs, which sounds pretty evil to me. or I didn't understood anything's

[lethal moat]

Close, depends on your definition of soul, but if it's for the betterment of humanity, I'd argue it's morally ambiguous rather than evil

[young viper]

more like their minds

Dondi, u still here? i got a question

[pulsar moss]

Yeah but we don't know if they remember that they were human when they transfer so in one case they remember and doesn't sound fun and the other case they don't and they are just brain washed dinosaurs

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bDDRd.gif

[fast forge]

Breaking this down - Why is the veracity of the statement "AE has semi to fully functional immortality via tech" arguable?

• AE has internal division (likely)

• They have lost that tech

• Everyone has that tech

• It's not really immortality

• It's inconsistent or degrades in quality

• There is a large cost

Just some spitballing

[lethal moat]

Correct, but they signed a contract (probably)

[pulsar moss]

Oh maybe some specimen like augustus are rare specimen who remember just a theory

[young viper]

There you go, let's say you're telling the The isle lore/story to someone or a group of people, think what you want, what do you think would be the perfect theme song for the lore/story?

[pulsar moss]

That could explain there weird behavior

[hexed forge]

Acts of godddd

[ionic sable]

I'm quite fond of the degradation idea, like, after 400 lives you've completely and absolutely forgotten where you started, you understand that you can remember a ton of lives before you, and you understand your surroundings and language, but you've lost all trace of where you began, and where you are going.

[pulsar moss]

Yeah so its most likely that ok

[lethal moat]

Preferential treatment for higher quality bodies and EIPs

Interesting concept

[hexed forge]

@young viper I think it was my theory? I am pretty sure however that Isaac actually mentioned the idea, and I just evaluated it

Yeah its not mine, but this is the time you found out about it

Isaac made that theory pretty sure

[lethal moat]

Augustus as a fresh EIP who underestimated exactly what he was getting into (he's literally me)

[blazing hinge]

Maybe its not quite entirely technology

[fast forge]

Reminds me of the A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones character Beric Dondarrion. Long story short he keeps getting resurrected and losing memories of his life, becoming a walking ghost of himself

[ionic sable]

sigh

[fast forge]

that series deals with questions of whether you are still you, if you are in a new body as long as you have your memories

[ionic sable]

@hoary scroll

It's been done before, rewriting the script.

[lethal moat]

lol