isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

That's our assumption as well

[hexed forge]

Either by helicopter or there is a coastal base there

Also by the way the location of the dots isnt accurate to where the actual location is, funny detail.

If you want to compare it to right now on the map. Look a bit more west I think. let me check

[fast forge]

yeah I think that's just a matter of the chiptracking data not syncing up with the camera. That is, the camera is motion activated so only shows when the dibbles are front of it, even if they range around that general area, as shown in the map data

[hexed forge]

Wait nvm, its pretty accurate. Im just stupid after school

Head cant do lore when tired xD

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-good-gif-25580415

[fast forge]

In fact the beginning of the map data shows a bit before the motion cam, as the herd is down at river delta

[lethal moat]

Dibble movment

[fast forge]

There we go

my first gif ever

[lethal moat]

That is fantastic

[fast forge]

the editing is a bit weak

I think I want to see if I can clean it up

[lethal moat]

It does what we need it to do

[fast forge]

what with the youtube bars and the white frame

[lethal moat]

Are they moving around a fenced in area?

[fast forge]

Oh wait I'm remaking that entirely, I missed some early stuff

[hexed forge]

They seemed to stop at the fence actually

If the fence actually connects xD

[fast forge]

Injection Site is definitely where they were all added to the island

They spread out from that location

Somehow I missed the first couple frames when I was first analyzing these

@lethal moat

[scarlet verge]

Interesting that some went west, but then they all headed back toward NE

Also that Dibble is a pack animal that has higher survival rates when working together

[fast forge]

I think they just spread out, but yeah

[scarlet verge]

That gif is really cool though

[patent ginkgo]

Looks like some ended up dying or something

[fast forge]

oh yeah, you can see the chiptracking go offline

[patent ginkgo]

Or the tracker just stopped working on its own

[fast forge]

There is also this version, where we get 3 frames overlaid on top of the motion camera footage

Pretty hard to see, but I think those map frames are from later data because you can see the dibble herd move further east

Now that I see it animated with those first few frames, I'm MUCH more convinced the injection site is the location where diabloceratops was added to the environment - where it was "injected" into the environment

[scarlet verge]

Ohh instead of being where they were injected with a tracker?

Makes sense, but does that mean they were made off the island?

So there's another site where the assets originate

[fast forge]

Here's all the "clean" Diabloceratops Migration frames in order

Here's the final 6, makes viewing the glitched frames easier

Especially if you use the arrow keys to cycle through them, like a slideshow

[fast forge]

This was already somewhat confirmed before I joined this server, I've heard that we know Gen 2 wasn't made on Gateway

[scarlet verge]

Oh that makes sense. I hadn't heard that, I thought maybe they were made in the dome

[lethal moat]

Nice

[fast forge]

I'm adding a black screen to the gifs so they are easier to watch

[lethal moat]

It's looking great

[fast forge]

Faster version

Slower version

Full (Glitched) version

TBH I think panning through the frames here #isle-lore-theories message is more useful, but the gifs are a nice animation

[lethal moat]

It’s a very useful tool

[fast forge]

I'm happy I was able to match the chiptracking ID's to the dibble who is mobbed in the video (Dibble #12278799)

[acoustic osprey]

🤔

This is more lore than augutus honestly

And augustus had a fair amount

[acoustic osprey]

If only F5 matched with this

[lethal moat]

Wonder where they took dibble from, where were they made before being inserted onto the island

[acoustic osprey]

Assuming they're made on another island

[lethal moat]

Wonder if we’ll end up seeing that eventually, in game or through lore

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder what the injection site will actually look like

[hexed forge]

F5 has to be a mistakeeeee

[lethal moat]

I feel like it doesn’t need to be changed, just drop dibble off on the beach and bounce

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of
Is it just a landing point?
Or a full on building

[hexed forge]

It has to be, I literally just thought about it for 20 minutes. What else could it be

[acoustic osprey]

I'm not referring the F5 there

[hexed forge]

Thats what I thought too ngl

[hexed forge]

But you mentioned f5

[acoustic osprey]

Injection site is, likely, not the same

[acoustic osprey]

Rahhhh

[hexed forge]

I know that the injection site and F5 are different lol

[acoustic osprey]

That depends on what the injection site actually means though

[acoustic osprey]

I'm tired
Misread your reply to mine

[fast forge]

Got this really good view of current injection site btw

[lethal moat]

Maybe there’s a location at f5 where the data was processed, (I know it’s ocean, but there could be stuff) and that’s why it’s labeled that way, and that way it could line up with H4 designation as well

[acoustic osprey]

Still doesn't make sense with both the augustus and other trail cam videos

[lethal moat]

I don’t think it’s a mistake, so now I’m shotgunning ideas

Brute force > finesse

[acoustic osprey]

It shows up too many times to be a mistake

[hexed forge]

A path leading down there, I could 100% see a port being there

[acoustic osprey]

Mmm

[hexed forge]

Dondi did say that something is coming to SW access/NW ridge

[lethal moat]

A floating research station would likely be safer than an underground one

[fast forge]

I don't think that's a walking path, it's an erosion path. You see them all over the island and they don't correlate to locations, just geography

[hexed forge]

Its still some sort of path

That means it could just be a small heli landing location, nothing big

[fast forge]

I'm saying it's just from water erosion, not walking

[hexed forge]

hmm

[fast forge]

like an old riverbed

you see them around the lake in highlands

like these marks aren't walking paths

[acoustic osprey]

done the graphics
just need a picture lol

[fast forge]

That's it, I'm going to H4

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-wars-star-wars-rex-fives-clones-gif-4506351670282466337

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-gif-22672438

[hexed forge]

Its guarded by Augustus, watch yourself.

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-law-helmet-talk-snod-gif-17555391

[acoustic osprey]

the children of Augustus...

[fast forge]

I am augustus

[hexed forge]

These?

[young viper]

the children of Replicator...

[acoustic osprey]

^

[lethal moat]

The replicator is not without it’s protectors?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

hows this?

[lethal moat]

Looking good, but wasn’t the phenotype below the chemical thingy and the description?

I may be misremembering

[acoustic osprey]

that was the glitched version

I mashed it together

you can tell because the cashew tree is cut in half

top is at the bottom
bottom on the top

the normal version would look like this but not wided out

the "Nutrient" bit is at the bottom
but it made more sense to be on the top - following how AE organises their slides

[lethal moat]

Looking good

[acoustic osprey]

thanks rump

alright, this should be the final version

[hexed forge]

Tbh the botany stuff really doesnt do anything to the lore right now except fully confirm that AE was making plants from scratch

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
for lore
it's pretty substantial for subtext

I know Don already confirmed it

but visual stuff is more a lot more meaningful for full confirmation

[hexed forge]

Oh wait a second, it says F5 on the top?

So the botany of the F5 sector.... @fast forge I really doubt now that it is in GUTS

[sonic rampart]

F5 sector or F5 generation?

[fast forge]

no that's one of the ones I was saying was aboveground, because it has a GW designation

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it's a very big coincidence

[hexed forge]

What..

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say it was a location for their CASPR cashew nuts
if the oranges had the same as well

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1224703207704494080/Screenshot_20240402_143038_YouTube.jpg?ex=661e74be&is=660bffbe&hm=9c7a773d68f21766b5b808e4d31d89de178a576a6e1d51ea196b04dbe11a154f&

[fast forge]

OF COURSE it's genetics, I was thinking too hard into microbio

[hexed forge]

F51?

[acoustic osprey]

biology stuff

[fast forge]

So in genetics there is shorthand for generations

The parental generation is the P generation, and all subsequent generations are named with an F and a number

[sonic rampart]

Hybrid offspring generations are called filial generations, shortened to F with a numer. F1 is the first generation from the starter parents, F2 is the children of an F1 pairing, and so on

Well, they don't have to be hybrid

[fast forge]

So F51 would be the 51st generation, I believe

[sonic rampart]

Just any pairing looking for specific traits

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bcbx5.gif

[fast forge]

jeez I feel so DUMB for not seeing that

[acoustic osprey]

aka
it's the botany version of "ver. 0.1.2"

[hexed forge]

Dondi spawned in

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/client-pleads-oopsie-daisy-oopsie-daisy-oops-oopsie-russian-badger-gif-6154377781408649679

[hexed forge]

I believe you and rumple theorized that the first number in 0.1.2 could be a Strain number(Maybe letter? unlikely)

[acoustic osprey]

nah, that was Rump

[hexed forge]

So maybe a Hyper strain could have..... man it could really just be a random number lol

[acoustic osprey]

the ".2" at least indicated a new version of the exterior body, at least, as a reference to it's legacy model.
At least, that was the rough head cannon taken from Don

[sonic rampart]

Might also be new iterations/"batches" of creating a particular species

[hexed forge]

Was the cera in the lore document 0.1.1 Because for some reason something is telling me that version of cera is diff from the one we have

[fast forge]

So we know dibble is the 36th generation, oranges are the 51st, and cashews are the 5th generation

[sonic rampart]

0.1.2

[acoustic osprey]

we know the lineage, at least, goes under (if we look at HRS.12-S.174) either "12" or "S"

[hexed forge]

Possibly 0.1.3 then? 🤔

[fast forge]

36 generations... and an injection site at Gateway... so they were breeding dibbles on another island for 35 generations

[hexed forge]

I highly doubt we have the cera that is in the lore doc

[acoustic osprey]

that depends on what the injection site is

[hexed forge]

Hey don if you are still here, give us a clue! (On injection site) please

[fast forge]

the migration data shows them all spreading out from the injection site

[acoustic osprey]

they likely, akin to The Lost World, experienced many death problems and likely had to reissue dibbles

[hexed forge]

Injection site likely means just where the dibbles were let out

[acoustic osprey]

i would never expect a first few times of creating a dinosaur species to be successful, especially in an ecosystem

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes, definitely.

[fast forge]

or Gateway is their test island/corporate showcase

and they only bring stuff to gateway when it is "ready" in either case

[lethal moat]

Ight, I’m here for a short time and I’m seeing you guys making progress, what’s up?

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how and where they make the dinosaurs
(the where being plural. There might be many. Including Gateway itself; just the specifics of what it makes changes from island to island)

[fast forge]

The F designations are generations. Dibble is F36 so we can infer there were 35 generations of dibble before the ones on the motion cam

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

All dead

[lethal moat]

It happens to the best of us

[fast forge]

oh yeah there are a lot of possibilities to how it would have been used

[fast forge]

that's not what that nomenclature implies

[acoustic osprey]

where is it said that Dibble is F36 though

[hexed forge]

Im stupid. So. The hell does that word even mean

[lethal moat]

So it’s the fifth generation of oranges, 36th generation of dibble?

[acoustic osprey]

5th for nuts

[lethal moat]

Ight

[acoustic osprey]

51th for oranges

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

[fast forge]

it means technical terminology

[acoustic osprey]

this being their second "Injection" - times they'd inserted Dibbles into the environment?

likely, then, that 34 generations were not successful enough to be injected into an environment yet?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[fast forge]

I'm just saying the members of the previous gen aren't necessarily dead, especially if the cam dibbles were transported to gateway

[acoustic osprey]

however, this is the "second injection"

[lethal moat]

Or, it’s the second injection of that generation

[acoustic osprey]

could be
hard to infer

inj 2 of ver 0.1.2?

[fast forge]

I'd wager it's just the second introduction. Sometimes biologists have to try multiple times when introducing a species, often just due to bad luck or lack of foresight

[lethal moat]

If I walk into the TOMB, and see a label for juvenile Diabloceratops, 0.1.2 F36 I’m going to be upset

[fast forge]

this is dibble version 0.1.2, and these specific individuals are the 36th generation within that version

[acoustic osprey]

is this some sort of Theseus' boat? Where the original Parent of the dibble genome has changed so much it has created a new ver number?
where we're up to F36 for their genome
yet only their second "version" and second injection of the same "ver"?

it's hard to think about it.
Would you want to detail each time you had a change per the last decimal? i.e. the ".2" in 0.1.2
each genome change adding a +1 on the end: 0.1.2 -> 0.1.3 etc

[hexed forge]

Also not every generation likely even survived passed the incubation phase. There likely had to be multiple attempts

[lethal moat]

I need to remember to put this into the lore document underneath the dibble video, but for now, I must disappear, I’ll be back

[fast forge]

So the second version would be a larger specific phenotype

While F36 is just the 36th generation with that phenotype

[acoustic osprey]

but is that no substantial enough to be a higher decimal number though?

if it's the "second" phenotype
would that no equate to a 2.0.1/2.1.1?
or, at least, a 0.2.1?

[fast forge]

I don't pretend to understand their version systematics

[acoustic osprey]

still.
it would be quite clustering to have several genome types all labelled under the same version number, without any minor decimal changes

[fast forge]

I'm guessing 1.0.1 is full release, like with video games. Hey world! Check out our Diabloceratops!

[acoustic osprey]

unless AE scientists love number gore

[hexed forge]

I very much doubt the world knows about AE creating dinos

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1224480442372063444/JIMDANCING.gif

[fast forge]

some things never get a full release, and that's okay

[patent ginkgo]

What have we learned while I’ve been gone

[hexed forge]

Botany lore and genetics lore

[patent ginkgo]

I saw a new dev quote

[acoustic osprey]

just come to a better conclusion on genomes for plants

[patent ginkgo]

🪴❗

[fast forge]

So think of it this way

[lethal moat]

We’ll need to get more examples for the iterations, but at least we understand generations now

[acoustic osprey]

not unless you include this
#isle-discussion message

[fast forge]

Version 0.1.2 is this specific breed of dibble

[hexed forge]

Did I miss something Am I stupid again now

[fast forge]

F36 is 36 generations of this breed of dibble

[acoustic osprey]

but only the second injection of 0.1.2 though?

[fast forge]

Yeah, I'd guess they have a stable stock of 0.1.2 on a ranch somewhere, and they are trying to introduce them to Gateway for the second time

[patent ginkgo]

So the F# is referring to Diablo, not plants? Or both?

[fast forge]

The F designation is a genetics term, you might remember it being used with Punnett squares

[acoustic osprey]

unless each genome version prior just got too too weak/too sickly prior to injection

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah I read that, but in the vid is it used for both

[hexed forge]

Everything

[fast forge]

So 36 successive filial generations of diabloceratops

[patent ginkgo]

So they’re inbred

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message Late to the party with this

[fast forge]

Depends on the size and genetic diversity of the starting population. We don't see any obvious birth defects, I'd guess inbreeding hasn't been too much of a problem

[patent ginkgo]

True

Also there’s like multiple patterns and colors

In the video that is

[fast forge]

I don't even know if they made changes between the first and second injection. They might have just tried again with the same breed of dibble

[acoustic osprey]

or just a separate "earlier" genome of 0.1.2 and it likely failed, but at least had some survivability

[patent ginkgo]

A dibble ranch sounds hilarious

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/peterson-farm-bros-dinosaur-truck-atv-gif-8466996

[fast forge]

I mean if you are spending a ton of money on keeping extinct animals alive, you'd keep them in pens, not out in an environment where they can get sick and hurt

[patent ginkgo]

But this is interesting, as it seems like they don’t replicate each individual

[patent ginkgo]

Yup

[acoustic osprey]

then what would make them only have two injections then of that ver.

[fast forge]

If you can get animals to breed on their own, it's way cheaper than cloning

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

we don't even know how they clone/create yet

clarke's third law still exists
the subtext of replication is still unknown

[hexed forge]

Yall you just scared away @polar pendant from the chat

[patent ginkgo]

Probably still cheaper

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

maybe.
But also slower

[polar pendant]

bro exposing me

[hexed forge]

[patent ginkgo]

Oops

[snow jasper]

you guys talking about genetics and selective breeding?

[patent ginkgo]

And dibble!

[fast forge]

No, we just know a LOT about the dibbles in the video

[lethal moat]

Yea

[snow jasper]

nobody cares about that smelly creature

[patent ginkgo]

oh

[lethal moat]

Nobody cares about your smelly creature

[snow jasper]

Dont you dare disrespect my dog

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-png-speech-bubble-gif-26086226

[patent ginkgo]

So what botany lore did we find?

[acoustic osprey]

it's more so just genetics

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah but still

What’s the generation of the oranges?

[acoustic osprey]

how is this though?

[patent ginkgo]

Ooh

[hexed forge]

5th generation of oranges

[polar pendant]

Prob used the method scientific are currently using to "bring back" extinct species, they managed to birth back an extinct goat in some mountains, if u try to replicate that while getting closer to the original animal using the previous "clone" it's maybe possible, but the probs are close to 0 and said animal is most likely unstable

[acoustic osprey]

51
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1224703207704494080/Screenshot_20240402_143038_YouTube.jpg?ex=661e74be&is=660bffbe&hm=9c7a773d68f21766b5b808e4d31d89de178a576a6e1d51ea196b04dbe11a154f&

[snow jasper]

make meth from cashews?

[acoustic osprey]

the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

amino acid...

[snow jasper]

fair enough

[polar pendant]

Technically speaking u can regress the animal genes or dna or whatever they use, by going 1 cycle back at every iteration but it's less than likely successful

[fast forge]

I look away from chat to make a meme, and this is what I see?

[polar pendant]

Drug confirmed when humans drop as playable xD

[hexed forge]

Collab with breaking bad when

[lethal moat]

So, it’s just occurred to me the extent of death that AE is dealing with, 11 dibble in the 2nd injection of 36th generation, and this is before you consider the implication of wether or not EIPs are involved or not

[hexed forge]

I dont think EIPs are actually involved in the dibble video ngl

[fast forge]

My headcanon is that they are different experiments that eventually converge

[lethal moat]

It’s mainly me ignoring the sheer amount of bodies

[acoustic osprey]

11 dibble in the 2nd injection of 36th generation of the 2nd phenotype

[snow jasper]

Have you guys found out exactly what the *Injection * is?

[polar pendant]

Cashew meth

[fast forge]

yes, dibble being released onto Gateway is the injection, at least that's our best guess

[lethal moat]

Injecting the dibble into the ecosystem most likely

[snow jasper]

So dibbles were cooked up elsewhere

and definitely offshore given the site's location

[fast forge]

My best piece of evidence is the pattern of their migration away from the injection site

[polar pendant]

well most likely there's little to no chance that the dibble just evolved themselves in the ecosystem so the injection of said specimen is the more probable thing

[hexed forge]

The injection is likely the arrival of the dibbles to gateway

[snow jasper]

I think the loner who wandered into the perimeter is more interesting what what we know of the herd

[snow jasper]

Im aware of the replicator's business

just the business of whomever's transporting to and fro is what I wanna know

[hexed forge]

Or it got captured into the perimeter, for some odd reason

[lethal moat]

Maybe the replicator doesn’t make new things, but just repeats whatever AE releases to the island “replication” rather than creation

[snow jasper]

hang on, its the South West facing side of the perimeter of where it came from to the perimeter at a glance

lemme pull up vulona's map rq

[fast forge]

two of them pass through perimeter

at different times

[snow jasper]

they both came from the south south western part roughly

[acoustic osprey]

almost definitely a literal injection into the ecosystem

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/needle-injection-flick-phlebotomy-phlebotomist-gif-26149954

[hexed forge]

Oh wait, is perimeter open for dinos to roam into?

I didnt think it would be at first.... But seeing as how those dibbles literally wander into it and walk out

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

[snow jasper]

Theres several plausible entrances/exits

[patent ginkgo]

Could be to test in a new environment

[fast forge]

kinda looks like it

[acoustic osprey]

the thing is
why would it be so freely open?

[snow jasper]

Pretty sure these are connected

[acoustic osprey]

unless such video is based in a more "contemporary" time post-incident

which would make sense for the human being a Gen2 model

[snow jasper]

To see whether or not a species is better adjusted to a different climate hense the enclosed space of the perimeter and perhaps atriums

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
but "freely"

that would be, far more, for specific RnD

[patent ginkgo]

So we know now that at the time of dibble’s second injection, the domes and perimeter are both built and at least perimeter is open to dinos

[fast forge]

So far the most logical purpose of the domes is the simplest, a contained ecosystem. The idea that they would be open is antithetical to this, so I'm confused

[acoustic osprey]

that's why I'm presuming it's post-incident

[hexed forge]

The left one is on the SW side

[patent ginkgo]

I have a feeling there could be multiple incidents

[hexed forge]

I saw it ingame, the terrain is almost exactly the same

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say, at most, 2

[fast forge]

So what, a Lost World Isla Sorna situation, they have this out of control island and they are going to add dibbles to it?

[snow jasper]

Can't think of anything without being too specific

[polar pendant]

Troodons opening the gate for free food ending to freeing dibbles that trample them xD

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
just because a few islands are down
doesn't mean they would stop RnD

especially since we know basically of such incident(s)

that it may just've been a minor setback for AE on the grander scheme of things

[fast forge]

Or, the dibble went underneath Perimeter, through GUTS somehow?

[acoustic osprey]

if they're a "necessary" part (dinosaurs) why stop

[fast forge]

Oh wait, aren't there supposed to be cave systems under the island?

[patent ginkgo]

GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

possible
hard to tell

how far underground, who knows

[fast forge]

For all we know it passed through a natural cave system that runs under Perimeter

While it's odd to think that a large animal would go through a long cave, we know elephants in real life enter old salt mines

[snow jasper]

Theres a lot of subtle designs in the perimeter to show if anything interesting will be there in the future, I can probably find out now

[patent ginkgo]

I wonder if perimeter was initially a sort of nursery ground for some dinos that they wanted to raise on the island

Or an area to slowly introduce them to the island

[fast forge]

We can see a dibble pass into perimeter through the southwest wall

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/violámadagascar-gif-21419559

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

nice

[snow jasper]

its the only spot in that area of the perimeter with anything hinting at a possible entrance

[fast forge]

Here's an individual leaving in the vicinity of the northeast corner

[patent ginkgo]

Clearly perimeter holds pretty much nothing for the dibble though, as it passes right through

[lethal moat]

Maybe water

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps

[snow jasper]

Its on the north side of the mountain, veering to the left, its the current blocked off entrance to the perimeter

[lethal moat]

The others went through swamp

[fast forge]

The area around perimeter is rough terrain, if you could pass through it then that would be the fastest route

[fast forge]

yeah I've been to that one, that was my thought

So the movement correlates with entrance/exit locations, my "underground" theory can probably be put to rest

[patent ginkgo]

Good to know

[fast forge]

On another note, I went to H4, and it looks nothing like the Augustus vid. I was expecting the human structures to be gone, but it's a completely different ecosystem

Unless I got the location wrong?

[patent ginkgo]

H4 in the Augustus vid isn’t real

It’s a bunch of parts of bases from all over the map cobbled together

Whatever vulnona or such thing shows as H4 is incorrect

[fast forge]

The Augustus video shows a jungle habitat surrounding the human base, but H4 in game is a palm savanna

[snow jasper]

I'll be honest, these guys, I have no idea since the terrain around there is way too rugged to reach the displayed positions

[patent ginkgo]

Oh you mean the grid square

[fast forge]

I had the wrong map there, but yeah

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm interesting. We know that the Augustus concept was come up with like last minute, so H4 probably doesn’t have much importance

[acoustic osprey]

no, that was the name

[acoustic osprey]

no

the border of Augustus H4 shows Palms in the background

that being within MCAM07326

the H4 section is pretty good honestly

it's primarily in the "jungle" section
while viewing upon palms

my pinpoint for the h4 location on the left image was merely just random guess work

[fast forge]

Yeah I was scouting this area

[hexed forge]

Alright, does the dibble video take place after or before the Augustus video. Ima say, before.

[acoustic osprey]

this being that this section of the map is pretty rough*
knowing that H4 doesn't exist on our map

but it contains a path
which could likely be part of H4

[fast forge]

The hard part for me was finding a big rock like that one in the background, surrounded by any type of palm savanna

All the rock pillars were off the coast in the water

[acoustic osprey]

it's the best pinpoint we've got
and I don't think Dondi just randomly gave a location

it's very easily quite possible that that section is going to be heavily changed (or has been on dev builds)

[snow jasper]

I would have used I12 to show off herrera given it has the choice to spawn near there in game

[fast forge]

And that's kinda my logic. West Access feels like a location that will get a rework

fun topography, but not much there

[snow jasper]

Most definitely

[acoustic osprey]

not like some of the interior shots of "H4" are from I12

[fast forge]

oh are they?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

West access deserves some love

[hexed forge]

Weo

[patent ginkgo]

Personally I think Augustus comes before dibble vid

[acoustic osprey]

that depends
I'm thinking both, or at least dibble, is potentially "post-incident"/more when we play

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, it certainly seems like gateway is not very populated in the dibble vid

AE in the Augustus vid just seems more chaotic and less experienced ig

And it seems like it doesn’t have as much control over the assets as it does in the Diablo vid

[fast forge]

well hererra was exhibiting emergent behavior, so they didn't expect it to be able to climb

and in the dibble vid we see a pack of omnis, a mystery carnivore, and perhaps a pair of troodon eyes in the darkness

[patent ginkgo]

And a dilo called

[fast forge]

I'd argue we see AE having less control over their dinos in the dibble video, because we know 5 of the 11 dibbles die

we don't get any copyright dates in the dibble vid right? We get a BIOS copyright date in Augustus, I believe

oh we don't get copyright, it's redacted

[hexed forge]

Where

[patent ginkgo]

Right after the troodon calls

[fast forge]

oh yeah I somehow thought that was a raptor call on first watch

[hexed forge]

What timestamp

[hexed forge]

Do you know

[fast forge]

3:09

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[fast forge]

it makes all of them stand up

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/43913390844993cccd373ec4c5623768
do want to note this

[lethal moat]

So, just to clarify, we haven't figured out f5 (possibly location), but we did figure out f36, f51, and f5 (oranges)

[acoustic osprey]

yes

i mean
it's definitely a location

we know it's a location
but to what? from what? That will be clarified in the future (or at least the aspect of locations on trailcams will be explored)

[lethal moat]

Got it, thanks

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

that end bit being from Don's reply in isle discussion earlier

[lethal moat]

I have tomorrow off work, I’ll try to fill in the information on the lore theory document after class

And by tomorrow I mean today

[acoustic osprey]

nice, I'll try to as well if need be
if not, I'll help edit anything you've written

[lethal moat]

I think I’ll put it beneath the Augustus stuff in it’s own section

[acoustic osprey]

hmm, cool

the most important stuff to put, i'd say, is the dibble genome- the aspect with F36

alongside Gateway map

food stuff as a side note. But nothing worth too much

fixed and done (yay)

[fast forge]

Good work on these, they look really nice

[scarlet verge]

They really went wild with the cashew gene modifications to give a ton more water. I tried to see if there was a straight formula, but the values are all over the place. The only thing that really stands out is how much more water they hold comparatively. If anyone wants to give it a run, here you go. Not sure if it's anything important, but they really put a lot of detail into the video.

https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170162/nutrients

[lethal moat]

We don’t know the portion size though

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting. Did you compare to a 100g sample?

[lethal moat]

That protein is also wack

[scarlet verge]

That's the thing, I ran most of the numbers down the list just to see if the percentages were the same. I couldn't find a certain sample size though, but it should keep the same percentages wouldn't it?

[lethal moat]

We can just compare it to other stats within the same list, but those are some wonky cashews jesus

[scarlet verge]

Water cashews. It was like 6000% more water lol

[patent ginkgo]

Hold on we can find the sample size

I’ll do a lot of addition rq

All we have to do is add all the masses of the individual chemicals

Also why is there ash

[scarlet verge]

In the link, ash is the sixth nutrient listed. I guess real cashews have ash too

"Ash is a crude measurement of the total amounts of minerals in a diet. It's called ash because of how it is determined. Samples of feed are put into a furnace and then burned until they reach a constant weight. This means that the only thing left is elements that won't burn, namely minerals"

[patent ginkgo]

Ah that makes sense

[lethal moat]

So the ash for the altered cashews should be comparatively lower because of high water content?

[patent ginkgo]

Would make sense

Also implies infertile soils, which is typical in jungles

[scarlet verge]

And it is in Isaac's screenshot

[lethal moat]

The protein is also extraordinarily low

[patent ginkgo]

I’m not going to try adding the masses right now, but 100g seems a likely sample size

[maiden sundial]

I think the reason why the diablo also had citrus is because they were likely folivorous

So they likely can't digest fruits well.

[lethal moat]

Cashews aren’t in the game yet right?

[scarlet verge]

No they are, I can't remember what diet though

[lethal moat]

The only thing I can see them being from this chart is carbs

[scarlet verge]

I'm trying to look it up, but I'm not home to check. I think they're on pachy diet

[swift echo]

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-back-gif-8275005

[swift echo]

lor

[lethal moat]

Alright neuro, now that you’re back, give us a theory about type-n spino for the future

[swift echo]

spook

[lethal moat]

He has spoken

[hexed forge]

They are on teno diet and pachy diet.

[hexed forge]

And they give //

[lethal moat]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[hexed forge]

Is that rage

[lethal moat]

Yes

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

Screenshot...

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1224480442372063444/JIMDANCING.gif

[scarlet verge]

lol sorry. Your recreation

[acoustic osprey]

Haha

[patent ginkgo]

alright yeah the sample of cashews taken for nutrient analysis is roughly 100 g

[rapid chasm]

why r u guys analyzing plants

if AE could create new species of dinosaur they could surely modify some plants

[patent ginkgo]

they have

we're comparing the nutrient analysis of F5 AE Cashews from the diablo vid to cashews irl

@acoustic osprey have you recreated the nutrient analysis of the citrus sinensis as well?

[acoustic osprey]

Will be when I get back home

[patent ginkgo]

aight thanks

im assuming itll have the same sample size as the cashews

[acoustic osprey]

Sadly I have no good version of the phenotype image
So that'll be hard to fix

[patent ginkgo]

you can always take your own and just put it in there

that part doesnt matter too much, weve already got the models ingame

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[acoustic osprey]

Uh ah

But the authenticity!!

[lethal moat]

<@&933486433342222376>

Thanks!

[scarlet verge]

So going back and looking and talking to my friend, I was looking at the picture and saw this. And she said Vitamin B is made up of more than just Vitamin B

So here they are

And thiamin is "Thiamin (thiamine), or vitamin B1, is a water-soluble vitamin found naturally in some foods, added to foods, and sold as a supplement. Thiamin plays a vital role in the growth and function of various cells. [1] Only small amounts are stored in the liver, so a daily intake of thiamin-rich foods is needed."

[lethal moat]

Water soluble is the most interesting part that I'm seeing

Because of the water content in those cashews, it makes sense

[scarlet verge]

I'm just thinking because it started as agricultural company, this would make sense of bioengineering these plants

[lethal moat]

Yep

[scarlet verge]

But for what? And is this going to be something to do with the hypers?

[lethal moat]

I wouldn't jump right to that, likely ackgnowledging what the dibble is eating, which is also made by AE, so it's worth noting in order to control everything on the island

[scarlet verge]

Makes sense, I'm going to keep digging though

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

aye, this be the funny Thiamin (or known as Vitamin B1)

[lethal moat]

I eagerly await the day we learn about AE security and weaponry and I can use prior knowledge

[acoustic osprey]

nuh uh

[acoustic osprey]

botany first
then food (Agriculture)

[lethal moat]

Yuh huh

[acoustic osprey]

oh

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

Maybe the reason the dibble video was notable was because it was the first time a dibble injection resulted in nesting

[acoustic osprey]

why does it need to be notable though?

[lethal moat]

It was documented, and it was being transferred for some reason, so somebody needs it for something

[acoustic osprey]

for the most part
I think it exists as an archive of injections for the creature
presumably it was "commissioned"/"requested" ||in terms of how it was given to whomever wanted it|| for archive purposes and/or logging in successful (?) injections of creatures on Gateway

[lethal moat]

Possibly, I'm just rooting around for stuff

[acoustic osprey]

or something about the information in that corrupted video was/presumed resourceful for whatever research "X" person(s) wanted it for

[fast forge]

the tell us why it's being documented

[lethal moat]

Perfect diet = nesting (I'm kidding, but you're right)

[fast forge]

Also

"The following video contains video taken exclusively from TC-1393/1462. highlighting the earliest defining behaviors of Diabloceratops 0.1.2. Annotations by Dr.■■■ ■■■
The unaltered footage was compiled with other video materials and satellite imagery to update behavior and migration documentation for field manuals. Full annotations and unaltered footage remains in Archive ■.x"

Or maybe more accurately

The initial video was regarding nutrient metabolism

But the compilation was to "update behavior and migration documentation"

[lethal moat]

Right

Wonder what that file designation means

#USGX-9921-C578

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[hexed forge]

The numbers are likely just the file numver

Number*

The letters I feel line are an acronym

[lethal moat]

I m p o r t a n t

[hexed forge]

Like*ffs I hate autocorrect

[hexed forge]

Unlikely

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Let's start with s

I for some reason think it means specie/s

[swift echo]

spino…spinosaurus…n spino…rrrraa…n spino….

[hexed forge]

The spinosaurus

[swift echo]

yup

want a cookie?

[lethal moat]

What kind?

[swift echo]

asphalt and dust

[hexed forge]

Seems nice

[lethal moat]

I'll take it

[swift echo]

ill give it to cerato

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

Danke

[acoustic osprey]

No Apollo Core though

[lethal moat]

I'm updating the lore doc at the moment, I think I'm going to include Tiny's gif of the tracking system

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1225271912612233306/Diabloceratops_Migration_Data_Short_Gif.gif

Something of interest I just pulled up, the frequency L1 1575.42 MHz, is a precise GPS frequency that only the military is allowed to use, rather than L2 or L5 signals, which can be used for civilian applications.

Lore doc should be up to date for the dibble video, I didn't include specifics on the plant generations, but did include that AE is responsible for engineering plants on the island as a footnote

[hexed forge]

I feel like the botany should be on a diff doc

[fast forge]

We do have the botanicus compendii

When we get the update with the new plants I'd kinda like to work on that, it could prove useful down the line

[ionic sable]

Lore.

[meager junco]

I think the shadow is me
Yes I stole your joke @iron anchor

[iron anchor]

you were prepared

your name is shadow and your 2nd name is basically trex

the only correct answer to the shadow

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/you-heard-the-man-nicola-foti-soundlyawake-you-got-that-from-the-man-thats-what-he-said-gif-25152574

[lethal moat]

[strange shell]

It's a beipi

It's not
It's a beipi

Then it's an ava

[lethal moat]

It’s pretty obviously a minmi

[meager junco]

It’s 110% a fly just passing by

[scarlet verge]

Did we say what the eyes were at the 5:10-5:20? Or are those probably just troos?

[patent ginkgo]

Probably

[scarlet verge]

Kinda what I figured, but I just went and rewatched since it was reposted

[warped dirge]

there is no way - beipi isnt that heavy

u heard the footsteps

[strange shell]

Clearly you've never faced a beipi
It is heavy as hell

[warped dirge]

not that

do i got to send u a screenshot of the isle wiki?

that 100% adult is 90 kg

[lethal moat]

Idk man, he makes an excellent argument for being a skeleton

[strange shell]

type-H beipi

[lethal moat]

You’re only proving his point honestly

[meager junco]

That thing is huge

[warped dirge]

that might be

[lethal moat]

Anyway, now that we’re done messing with you, how much do you know about the lore?

[swift echo]

we kidnapping another?

[warped dirge]

thats kinda disgusting

[alpine lynx]

no

[lethal moat]

@swift echo You hear that? I wouldn’t take that personally

[swift echo]

woah its me ‼️

[swift echo]

you mean yourself?

[alpine lynx]

he said disgusting to you

[warped dirge]

im sorry i didn't mean too..

sorry if u took it personaly

[swift echo]

Mhm

[lethal moat]

[warped dirge]

[lethal moat]

So how much lore do you want? How much do you already know?

[swift echo]

[alpine lynx]

did someone said lore?

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[lethal moat]

[swift echo]

real (the shadow is n spino)

[alpine lynx]

real

[swift echo]

ohhhhh noooooo i gotta go deal with stinky irl stuff

[alpine lynx]

@warped dirge you wanna learn the lore?

if you want i can tell it fast as i can

[warped dirge]

go on

[alpine lynx]

so you are in a island with a bunch of ''dinosaurs'' made by AE

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[alpine lynx]

thats it

[warped dirge]

wow

[lethal moat]

We also have a lore server and a podcast if you’re interested

[alpine lynx]

if you step a foot on the lore theories, you must be a nerd

[warped dirge]

can i join?

[lethal moat]

I’ll DM you an invite

[alpine lynx]

we becamed a nerd

[warped dirge]

ok thanks

can u tell me, was that video "augustus" posted before adding herrera?

[lethal moat]

About a month before, yeah

[warped dirge]

ok

is evrima conected in any thing with legacy

im talking about the lore

[lethal moat]

Connected? No, there may end up being easter eggs to legacy’s existence, or things taken from legacy and reused in evrima, but they are independent of each other

[hexed forge]

magna

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wench-silence-silence-wench-mad-angry-gif-12588121

[tropic ingot]

do you grow at different rates if youre sitting still vs running around?

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat, but no, growth rates are dependent on diet

[tropic ingot]

oh youre right, i forgot i clicked on this one. thank you for answering

[lethal moat]

No problem, just stop down here whenever you see things that make you ask questions about the story

[tropic ingot]

well i guess i do have one, ive barely looked into the lore, only started playing yesterday

are these dinos human made in current times? that is how im interpreting it at least

found that huge building near the swamp and it looks alien made

[lethal moat]

Roughly modern times, yes

As far as we know

||Isaac, I swear to god if you post 2172 I will find you||

[hexed forge]

But like

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[hexed forge]

Me running from you

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

I escaped

I think, idk

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/fool-you-fool-yes-you-gif-14267388

[warped dirge]

whats that? 💀

[lethal moat]

A very sketchy date that was taken from a censored portion of a document

[hexed forge]

Aliens from the future!

[warped dirge]

thanks whatever it means

but i think it's better if i don't know...

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-14818845

[hexed forge]

Rumple are we about to kidnap someone?

[lethal moat]

I’m trying

[hexed forge]

You arent

[lethal moat]

I already sent them the invite

[hexed forge]

So basically its the year of the errent incidient. Its an official document that you can view.

[hexed forge]

bro 💀

[lethal moat]

I don’t trust it

[warped dirge]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?

[hexed forge]

Rumple really said

"F the steps, just do it"

[lethal moat]

It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you

[lethal moat]

They asked earlier

[hexed forge]

Oh

[warped dirge]

aw shi you're the real nerd

[hexed forge]

?

[warped dirge]

.

[lethal moat]

I am certainly a nerd, yis

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

What is the engine model used in the f22

[lethal moat]

two Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofan engines

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[warped dirge]

:respect:

so can u send me this invite u were talking about?

to the "lore server"

[lethal moat]

I DMd you privately

Be sure to check the rules

[hexed forge]

Nah skip the rules, they are not important in there. Just click the checkmark

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

[swift echo]

Dont worry I will remind them! 😁

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[warped dirge]

sry i couldnt find it my bad

[lethal moat]

You’re fine

[warped dirge]

damn this podcast is 🔥

[lethal moat]

New episode being recorded either tomorrow or Sunday

[warped dirge]

nice

[fast forge]

We're ALL real nerds here

Why just the other day I was going off about genomics, and the others were comparing the nutritional data for cashews from the diabloceratops video with real nutritional data

[lethal moat]

Once again, I eagerly await security stuff and AE company procedure

I do love how the lore community seems to have specialists though, it’s very very handy

[fast forge]

🫡

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

I specialize in moral support

Or is that someone else idk

[fast forge]

If we ever need deep lore about the Game of Thrones universe, I can help with that

I have so much useless stuff in my head...

So many Magic: the Gathering cards

[lethal moat]

I’m an eldrazi main, but I build fun decks, not overpowered ones

[fast forge]

I've actually quit magic after 24 years

[lethal moat]

For shame

[fast forge]

nah, didn't like the direction the company was going, didn't like how much money I spent on it, worked at a game store for 5 years before getting fired, and then sold all of my best cards to pay bills while unemployed

so I'm just kinda done with it

[lethal moat]

Fair

[hexed forge]

weo

[fallow harbor]

AE sonic

[lethal moat]

Yep

[lethal moat]

Theory crafting time

So, I’ve been thinking why dinosaurs, and how it could tie into EIPs and strains

And all I can think of is a replacement for humanity, if climate change has gone too far

An ideal, survivable body, with a human intelligence, designed to continue on after conditions needed for human survival have been exceeded

Also ties into the matriarch and any other anomalous individual creatures as experiments

Granted, this works as an idea, but we also know very little to actually support this

AE could be preparing for climate change to happen, rather than trying to stop it, especially if they alter plants to make them more survivable to the conditions, alongside new creatures

[acoustic osprey]

for legacy, EIPs with thousand life contract was far more a punishment

[lethal moat]

In this situation, AE would be the world’s safety net, so if everything fails, then a replacement ecosystem can overtake the failing one, but this also means containment is extraordinarily important, because if anything gets out, then it could start supplanting everything currently required for survival

[acoustic osprey]

"a thousand lives you owe us"

to prove your worth?
to prove you're strong enough?

[lethal moat]

You’re the unfortunate one who gets to test this radical new technology that may or may not break your mind, but it’s for the greater good

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say pure unfortunate
you still have the choice

it's why i see them as sort of astronauts/cosmonauts

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

AE isn't playing the "evil grr bad guy" card
"you're now a dinosaur because i am evil"

[lethal moat]

It’s a theory that doesn’t go against anything, there’s just not a ton to support it right now, so it’s shaky, but I’ll keep it in my back pocket as we learn more information

[acoustic osprey]

"survivable"

godbod seems much less survivable

to be fair
with the "changing up plants with bio-engineered botany"

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1213097035071365130/RATS.gif

[acoustic osprey]

i could, far more, see Apollo Engineering going the:
"Molding the world around you route"

it's a very human-way of fixing the world

What? Stop what humans are doing? No!

Change the world around us to fit us? Yeah!

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 could be a temporary fix

[acoustic osprey]

it's "more work" but it's what people are doing right now

[acoustic osprey]

fix to what though?

Gen2s have such bodies, I can't really seem them being made for pure survival

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 could be a failure of the final goal of AE, but kept around because of how useful they are

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
then wouldn't we also have a Gen3 as a playable? or something akin to such

https://gyazo.com/4182f4c560bcd8e3f691979efe2a20e8

because, like, we know- to some extent- they're quite successful with Gen2s

[lethal moat]

Maybe dinosaurs are gen 3

Gen 1 -> gen 2 -> dinosaurs -> strains

[fast forge]

I can tell you what IRL ecologists are doing to prepare for climate change

[lethal moat]

Do tell

[fast forge]

They look at keystone species for ecosystems (i.e. a species the ecosystem depends upon), and look at how the predicted effects of climate change will affect that species

A lot of it is mitigation too - "we can't save everything, so what's the most important stuff that we can reasonably save"

[acoustic osprey]

i severely doubt such

why go from humans to dinos?

and we know there are strained humans

[acoustic osprey]

ecologists don't run the world sadly

[fast forge]

sadly

[lethal moat]

You can go back and alter previous projects in an attempt to learn more

[lethal moat]

Because humans didn’t play out hoe they hoped

[acoustic osprey]

which is what I should've rephrased in here
the contemporary world, even the classical world, is never ran by the most "future-planning" people

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, that doesn't really fit?
at least in legacy, Dinos were a lot before humans

and even now
we know they wen't from food -> dinos pretty fast
so unless they quickly made Gen1 and 2, failed in a short matter of time, and went to Dinos? Doesn't make sense

we also know Gen2s are pretty perfect in their aim to be (AE being) gods

why suddenly turn the program about human creation into dinos?

when that is something related but still completely different - being, likely, a sister program/project

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey I believe you were the one who talked about what would be the Spiro acronym for the Tcam, in the Tcam it says its S2

Spiro 2?

[lethal moat]

AE seems to be looking for survival, or traits tied to survival, that seems very significant

[acoustic osprey]

yeah possibly

https://gyazo.com/76f5fd1423544dec7eacff1e8353fb94
erm GW

[hexed forge]

Oh wtf

[acoustic osprey]

i mean... no? Not really complete "survival"
at least, not with Gen2s. Definitely not.
Survival in terms of at least being successful products of AE that don't die immediately? Sure
but the actual physique of a Gen2 is definitely not the best design for survival

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't be surprised
seeing as some dino vers. are branded "0.1.2" in respect of their legacy model

so S2? Second "Spiro"
Seeing as the first "S" would likely be Spero

[fast forge]

where is this S2 coming from?

[acoustic osprey]

basically all the old Trailcams

"old"

[lethal moat]

If gen 2 are able to drink water that hasn’t been filtered, and are more athletic, while still maintaining the human aspect of adaptable intelligence in order to survive, I’d argue that they very well could be the most survivable things on the island, if they’re able to find resources

[acoustic osprey]

coincidentally in the same place as the dibble videos "GW_F5"
i'd say it's a probable definite that "S2" meant Spiro

[fast forge]

yeah that makes sense, it's the same formatting

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
Physique doesn't really make it better to drink filtered water.
And even then, they can only drink such because they haven't really been programmed properly yet

the same goes with stam, to an extent.
I'd just assume they were given good lungs. Physique does help though.

[acoustic osprey]

kinda
excluding how they did the location was a 4 digit number without any letters, only numbers. Lol

but they still had the underscore

[fast forge]

true, and it's even in the same spot at the bottom

[acoustic osprey]

albeit
the same also goes with intelligence.

i'm not commenting on their internal biology that AE has done. Because that's definitely obvious
I don't think Gen2s are anywhere near "ordinary" humans

but their external body, their physique, therefore their muscles and how they have been designed and moulded, will still affect their survivability bear grylls style

[fast forge]

How much lore was associated with the Spiro map, compared to Gateway so far?

[acoustic osprey]

only a bit

[fast forge]

that's kinda been my impression

[acoustic osprey]

basically only the trailcams
and the pachy incident report

outside of that
we had subtext lore given

but no locational lore was given during that time. So it applies to anything

the same goes for now.
But we're getting a lot more stuff related to Gateway now. Bit by bit

[fast forge]

Gotcha, nothing like an "Injection Point" or similar stuff

[acoustic osprey]

like we never got an official map for Spiro 😎

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, basically

[lethal moat]

I think giant crabs as a launch pad for AE expanding their work is a solid idea, which is where I came up with that ‘survivable creature’ idea

[acoustic osprey]

how

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1224480442372063444/JIMDANCING.gif

the whole giant crabs were a mistake, rump, lol

[lethal moat]

Yes

[fast forge]

the crabs were a mistake?

[lethal moat]

But if the giant crabs survived an altered environment exceedingly well, why not let that have the idea of altering creatures to survive an environment we made

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

Caused due to a leak

into the ocean

What was the leak? Not sure

[fast forge]

Hyper juice

[acoustic osprey]

how does a "leak" revolving around introducing megaflora to help climate change do such

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jurassic-park-ian-malcolm-gif-19711514

[hexed forge]

What

[acoustic osprey]

we have Neuro Goo
Hyper Juice

what's for Tisso

[lethal moat]

Tisso spit

[hexed forge]

Wait did I miss something, I couldve sworn it was an accidental leak

[acoustic osprey]

an attempt to slow and/or reverse climate change, via introducing megaflora to the oceans, ended with a containment leak which led to massive crustaceans

how do you get a "leak" when you're introducing megaflora, a physical object

[hexed forge]

we- Well- Wha- be- hu- Containment leak- Wha-

[acoustic osprey]

hyper juice is a likely bet

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

Isaac you gave my brain a seizure

[acoustic osprey]

what else would "leak" and cause things to grow to massive proportions?

[fast forge]

This made me wonder "are there any hormones used by both plants and animals?"

So I looked it up

plant hormones are typically simple molecules, animal hormones are complex

BUT

[hexed forge]

Hyper juiceee

[fast forge]

The hormone "Auxin" stimulates cell proliferation in both plants and even complex animals like mammals

[acoustic osprey]

unless it's neuro goo
both would do the trick

but on a very broad idea, hyper juice would make more sense

[acoustic osprey]

i presume H-Strain is less targetting specific hormones
more so affecting "all"

[hexed forge]

Yes. Thats what I said Isaac Did I misunderstand, I thought you were saying that I was wrong

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-png-speech-bubble-gif-26086226

[acoustic osprey]

my general question is/was:
How do you get from introducing big plant -> containment leak
(when both is, apparently, linked)

hyper juice

[hexed forge]

Hyperjuice stationed at a coastal base got leaked into the ocean. Infecting many things, such as the crab food

[fast forge]

"crab food" is anything

crabs are at the bottom of the food chain, detritivores

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-raphae-exactly-yes-precisely-gif-26332394

Why is the mouth movement so cursed

[acoustic osprey]

the top lip moves

[fast forge]

because it was the 90's... stares off into the distance

[acoustic osprey]

is this supposed to be a jab to my question

[hexed forge]

A theory on what the "Containment leak" Is and how the crustaceans became big

[acoustic osprey]

mm

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-snow-interview-microphone-mic-gif-25816123

[hexed forge]

Is it a horrible theory

[acoustic osprey]

no

[lethal moat]

It’s the literal quote

[fast forge]

I think you both have the same idea, and are worried the other one disagrees

[hexed forge]

?

[hexed forge]

Si

[lethal moat]

Dondi said this on stream #isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

Yes but what does it have to do with how it happened

How the leak happened

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
that part is undefined

were they sloppy and were using "X" juice (presumably hyper juice) on a bunch of flora in the water
which I'd doubt

[lethal moat]

I mean, anything living in the water is affected by things leaking i to the water

[acoustic osprey]

or was it a genuine mistake; something broken and leaked

[hexed forge]

I have suspicion that the incident involved a strain, perhaps neuros.

[fast forge]

what kind of crabs? hermit crabs?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
but how is what we're asking

[fast forge]

nvm this, doesn't matter for my point

So here's a question for yall

[hexed forge]

Crustaceans, never specified to be crabs. We just say crabs cuz its easier.

[fast forge]

Have you ever seen a baby crab?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say "they ate the plants and turned big"
but the quote said leak, not eat

[lethal moat]

Accident? Sabatoge? Doesn’t really mater big chemical leak into water make ocean life big

[fast forge]

Do you know what a baby crab looks like

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1213097035071365130/RATS.gif

[acoustic osprey]

no idea what your average adult crab is vs baby
i live near mangroves
you'd think I would know lol

[fast forge]

They are microscopic, free-swimming plankton

My thought - AE didn't sterilize some of their water properly

maybe they were using seawater in the lab?

planktonic crabbies are exposed, flushed out later...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-force-unleashed-gif-23620078

[hexed forge]

They never specified if thats how they became big too. It just said basically that it leaked into the ocean

Leaving a gap between leaked into ocean, ________, and Big crustaceans as result

[acoustic osprey]

well, they said leak.
Leakage would be different vs ingestion

if so
then we should all eat Hypers and become stronk 💪

[hexed forge]

And how did that leak cause them to become big.

[lethal moat]

Hyper ptero

[lethal moat]

Clark’s third law

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, you ingest pure hyper-strain-esque-juice
I don't imagine you'd stay the same

[hexed forge]

So its an ingestion

[acoustic osprey]

yes but not through eating the large plants

[hexed forge]

Oh well true

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, absorption through drinking

[hexed forge]

I see now

[acoustic osprey]

I presume the same "leakage" "liquid" is the same "liquid" used for the megaflora

it would certainly make sense for it to be something "hyper-esque"

potentially a "Proto-Hyper-Fluid"

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-scott-jim-halpert-gif-27622036

[acoustic osprey]

I'd presume it'd be a lot more easier to try out this genetics stuff on a plant
less ethics, less money?

if anything
Megaflora -> mistake with "hyper-crabs" -> interest upon "hyper" creatures -> possible rnd on dinos for "strains"?

[hexed forge]

I still believe in the theory of how AE first started experimenting with the main strains on plants. Leading to my other theory about the 3 domes being each a "biome" for each strain? Full of N-plants, H-plants, etc.

Its a good starter for AE, less money and less ethics like you said.

[acoustic osprey]

I'm unsure of the general timeline for vaccines and things that would count as potentially risky RnD
I presume either very ethically small creatures or plants first? (on a general note)

[fast forge]

the reason for small plants and animals in studies has more to do with time considerations that ethicality

[hexed forge]

Possible

[fast forge]

But yeah, a vaccine would start with mice

[hexed forge]

or a bat

We know how that ended

[hexed forge]

Thoughts on theory?

[fast forge]

The thing is, H is for "hyperendocrine", mostly referring to hormone regulation

That's fine for plants

But plants don't have neurons or connective tissue, the targets for change in neuros and tissos

You'd have to be combining plants and animals, and that opens a whole other can of worms

[lethal moat]

How the hell would a type n plant work

[acoustic osprey]

brained plant

[hexed forge]

I dont know, I mentioned this theory in lorecord and people seemed to like it at first. Including you rumple

[hexed forge]

So I guess its impossible

[acoustic osprey]

don't be limited to modern science

clarke's third law will save you

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[fast forge]

no, I'm just saying that's a whole concept that we haven't touched upon yet, mostly because there is no evidence for it

[lethal moat]

The true hero of the story

[fast forge]

other than 3 strains and 3 domes

Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is the most likely one. Deciding that AE can combine plant and animal traits requires a BIG step

[hexed forge]

Inject some of that hyper juice/neuro goo into a plant and see what happens I guess

I dont know, im not a scientist.

[fast forge]

The hard part is, neither are the devs, and we don't know how much they've researched

[lethal moat]

Strains and plants could be related, but I definitely don’t think it’s that simple

[hexed forge]

I just had a bunch of images pop up in my head about how N-Plants could work or look like. But I feel like if I mention them its gonna sound so stupid since its not realistic at all

[fast forge]

It's sci-fi, and we don't know how realistic the devs think, so it's all fair game

[lethal moat]

Realistic and reasonable are different

[hexed forge]

Alright so here comes the dumb N theory, So basically. The neuro "biome" would be something like a giant tree in the middle. That tree has these Neuro connection things that spread across the entire dome. Connected to every plant. So its basically like this image, except most of the "roots" are on the surface

Dont bully me

[fast forge]

So, without connecting this to animals, this is a fun sci-fi concept with a bit of real science

[hexed forge]

I know I saw something similar in a game/movie but I cant remember which one god damnit

[fast forge]

James Cameron's Avatar - the big world tree or whatever

[hexed forge]

I think. I dont remember

[fast forge]

Basically, scientists have found that plants can communicate with each other via fungus networks between their roots. It's quite cool, but simple messages. "Ow there are bugs biting me" etc.

[hexed forge]

Is it possible for the plants to have some.. electromagnetic.. power... I dont know how else to explain it lmfao

Basically everything electric/etc stops working within the dome

Just like an EMP but perm

Perm within the dome only ofc

[fast forge]

Plants, like most organisms, have a minor magnetic/electric field, but they can't really interact with it any more than we can with ours. It's mostly a consequence of how our biology works

[lethal moat]

I love that fungi and trees have distributed networks

[hexed forge]

So what if the Neuro plants had an insane level of a magnetic/electric feild

[lethal moat]

What benefits would that have for the plant

[fast forge]

yes, it's been shown that trees will ramp up production of pest-fighting toxins when other trees signal that they are being attacked

[lethal moat]

It’s very fun

[hexed forge]

Why does it need to have benefits.

[lethal moat]

Then what’s the purpose of a strain

[hexed forge]

What

[lethal moat]

Strains need to exist for a reason, you don’t go making things way more lethal and dangerous without a reason

[hexed forge]

It has basically an EMP power, just like neuro dinos. But only difference is that it would be perm

[hexed forge]

The N-Plants were made to test out the strain, in the theory

[lethal moat]

Now why

[hexed forge]

Alright. Why did AE create N Dinos then? Why?

Quite literally for the same purpose as the dinos. To test it out

[lethal moat]

I don’t think dinos were made to test strains

[hexed forge]

Why did they make N dinos.

[fast forge]

I just don't see the strains being used in plants. Maybe hypers because growth hormones can be somewhat universal, but neuro and tisso just seem like the products of research on animals, not plants

[lethal moat]

Dunno, but why would the abilities of neurotenic creatures lead you to connect it to plants

[hexed forge]

yeah I see your point. Would be nice to have ig

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

[lethal moat]

It’s fun, but there isn’t a ton of evidence for it

[hexed forge]

My theory said that they started with plants. Not dinos

Saving money at first

[lethal moat]

That might only work with hypers, and with the crabs, as an accident, but I really don’t see the connection anywhere else

[fast forge]

It's possible the three strains aren't really connected in terms of discovery

[hexed forge]

I could also see plants working with Tisso. Regeneration tests

[lethal moat]

I agree

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-more-evidence-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-i-need-more-convincing-give-me-proof-gif-21131376

Like I said, possible, and it would be fun, but there currently is no proof of it

[hexed forge]

Rumple. None of the theory has evidence ofc... because its a theory.....

[lethal moat]

Theories are built off of evidence

[hexed forge]

If you needed evidence for everysingle theory here, 90% of the theories would be denied by your logic

[hexed forge]

Alright so the evidence is that AE started with plants, we could see them working with plants first. Rather than moving into dinos instantly

Testing with plants wouldve saved more money and much more safer than testing with living things

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
we know Tissos can do such

it's not a stretch the same idea could be applied to plants

[lethal moat]

Alright, we need more info on strains and timeline before leaning into it

[hexed forge]

^^^

[hexed forge]

💀

Literally my reaction. Just skull.

[fast forge]

Realistically? no. Sci-fi? Sure

[hexed forge]

Alright guys lets not theorize anything about strains because there is little evidence/info

[lethal moat]

It only connects to one thing is my only reasoning, there isn’t a lot of things to connect to, and has less support

[acoustic osprey]

literally a sci-fi game

[lethal moat]

It is certainly a theory, I just don’t consider it a strong one

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1219214137876283442/The_Isle_lore.gif

[hexed forge]

Things it connects to

1. AE started with plants
2. We know there are gigantic megaflora that AE made, possibly using Hyper juice. So why wouldnt they do it with other strains
3. If we use general logic, it would make sense to test out a strain first with a plant, rather than a living thing

[fast forge]

I mean it's all semi-realism, and it is sometimes difficult to tell where the line is drawn. I find myself going down science rabbit holes for lore bits, only to find myself wondering "yeah but would the devs think of this?"

[acoustic osprey]

we know clarke's third law is applied to things.
to be fair, strains shouldn't exist on a whole

and we don't know, specifically, on what tissos connect to or change to do what they do

[hexed forge]

The second point is a major connection.

[lethal moat]

Hyper juice is another theorized thing, possible, but also not confirmed, and basing a theory off of another unconfirmed theory also makes it less likely

[hexed forge]

AE making plants to test Tisso regeneration isnt that far off of a theory ngl

[lethal moat]

I agree with the first and the second

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
thing that makes thing big from thing that has been turned big

[hexed forge]

PERHAPS. Test it out in order so plants can regrow quickly after eaten. Constant food for herbivores @lethal moat

[swift echo]

I sense talk of type n

[fast forge]

It is far off for me, but I tend to fall on the strict realism side of interpretations. As you said, lorecord liked it

[lethal moat]

Like the idea 👍

[hexed forge]

SEE! If you actually start slightly believing into the theory and digging into the hole. It starts to seem more possible.

[lethal moat]

Just because I like something doesn’t mean it’s likely

[hexed forge]

True

[fast forge]

Neuro just seems like such a specific tissue type for me. Heck, many animals don't have nervous systems, and plants are even further outside that group

[acoustic osprey]

but it's Tissos, not neuros

[fast forge]

well cerato was saying all 3

[acoustic osprey]

the talk was more so for Tissos atm

[hexed forge]

I mean, we know AE experimented a lot with food for herbivores. Them discovering a way to make plants regrow much more quickly is a BINGO in efficiency

[hexed forge]

Moved onto tisso

[lethal moat]

I think it falls into a grey area for now, not a ton to support it, but it could become more likely as we learn more

[hexed forge]

Neuro seems the most far off

Hyper being the most likely, and tissos being in second for me

[acoustic osprey]

Ganymede would like to say hi

[hexed forge]

Hi Ganymede

[lethal moat]

The moon?