isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

Yeah, i was waaay off lol

[acoustic osprey]

The moral of Orpheus and Eurydice is to be patient and keep one's faith. When Orpheus travels to the underworld, he convinces Hades using music to let him take Eurydice back to the world of the living

Many interpret the story of Orpheus and Eurydice as a simple lesson in trust. If Orpheus trusted that Eurydice was following behind him, as Hades had promised, maybe he wouldn't have turned around so soon.

"Maybe" about trust and patience

[robust ether]

Sorry, but do we know what they mean by "biotrace tampering"?

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair, isle has already taught a lot of us to be patience

[acoustic osprey]

Haha
No

Besides what's given, of course

[robust ether]

Thought so

Has it come up on anymore lore bits?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[robust ether]

Damn we really just have a single sentence.

[acoustic osprey]

Possibly could with EIPs though

[lethal moat]

Biotrace? Not yet, but i think its at least somewhat related to EIPs

[fast forge]

The fact that you can unintentionally tamper with a biotrace is interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully we might see a reference in the dibble video

[robust ether]

OH I FORGOT WE'RE GETTING A TRAIL CAM

[acoustic osprey]

Apparently there is a tiny reference in there about humans

[acoustic osprey]

Not really a trailcam

[robust ether]

No trailcam?

[acoustic osprey]

What's the new name for it Rumple?

[acoustic osprey]

It might be more so akin to Augustus than just a trailcam

[lethal moat]

Injection observation?

[acoustic osprey]

For the video title

[robust ether]

Oh okay so EIPs go back to 2018 I have some reading to do here

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

Ah yes
Injection

[lethal moat]

The lore within the lore

[acoustic osprey]

Less a trail cam
Less an anomaly/mcam

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[robust ether]

Wait was The Matriarch an actual legacy lore thing? I assumed it was a tapwing thing.

[lethal moat]

Yep, tapwing made a fanart of something that was in legacy lore

[acoustic osprey]

Nah
Tap made art which was inspired by Isle legacy lore

But we knew very little
So she made her own headcanon

[robust ether]

Okay and just to be clear... the neuro spino was based on tapwing fan art? Or was she hired by then?

this one

[acoustic osprey]

No

[robust ether]

no to which one?

or both

[lethal moat]

I’m not sure about that one, I wasn’t around back then

[acoustic osprey]

Art was made in 2017

[lethal moat]

I’m way to tired to stay up, let me know if we get any good new theories lightclaw 🫡

[robust ether]

Okay so she made it(?) got it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-gif-24563080

[acoustic osprey]

I believe the art came first

She was hired roughly in early 2018
Or late 2017

[robust ether]

Okay thats good to know

Thanks :)

[acoustic osprey]

No worries

[ionic sable]

Art came first, hired second.

[robust ether]

Wonder if that's what got her hired

[lethal moat]

Tapwing makes good stuff overall

[hallow rover]

Out of the blue question but do we know why AE wanted to create humans in the first place?

[lethal moat]

Nope, my guess is in an attempt to compete an EIP, as well as to create intellifent workers

[hallow rover]

EIP are the human minds inside dinosaurs yea?

[lethal moat]

Thats what it was in legacy yeah, we’ll see how much of that changes, I don’t expect much to change tbh

[hallow rover]

Ah ok

[lethal moat]

Maybe have the player be a profile rather than an actual individual, but meh, we don’t know enough and it was only reconfirmed like a week or two ago

[hallow rover]

Im looking forward to new lore stuff getting added over time now, didn’t know anything really about the lore until about a week ago when I started looking into it and watching the podcast you and a few others been doing now I’m hooked

[lethal moat]

It sucks you in

It’s very in depth, and i appreciate that

Looking forward to the day we find more stuff in game that is just lore, like files and whatnot

[hallow rover]

Gonna be good going round searching for the new stuff, hope not all of it’s too obvious

[lethal moat]

I’m always super skeptical of any cameras I find

[hallow rover]

I’m always check perimeter every update but end up forgetting what it looked like the update before

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[hallow rover]

Admin no clip is your friend

[acoustic osprey]

Very good
At least The good news is that we know that there is at least a few new map stuff In the next update

The only issue.
It might just only be new fences

In a tiny change to a few little things

But anything is appreciated, But fingers cross there's something more Larger significant

[lethal moat]

I want to see different sectors divided by fences

Wonder if GUTS would have it’s own sectors or reflect an extension of sectors on the surface

[acoustic osprey]

10 17....

[median shuttle]

thats just what weve been shown so far, maybe theres some bigger stuff coming as a surprise

[lethal moat]

🤞

[scarlet verge]

What if it’s AE building the fences and not the devs? Like what if in the dibble trail cam, you see Gen 2s working on the fence and then just get mauled by a Carno. Then just a “Regrettably, Errant-295 was fatally incapacitated by another asset while attempting to complete containment measures”

Then it’s kinda like the updates are the island evolving over time

[lethal moat]

Could be, but i feel like gateway has already fallen in our situation, but repairing fences is a gen 2 ability iirc

[median shuttle]

dont see how/why ae would build fences on an already abandoned island though

[scarlet verge]

Unless Gen 2s are trying to take it back somehow

[median shuttle]

might be

[lethal moat]

I think it’s currently just updates to the map, not necessarily lore related rn

[scarlet verge]

It would make sense for it not to be, I’m just getting my hopes up lol

But I think you’re right about them being able to repair some fences. Because we know Rex can knock them down

[lethal moat]

It would make sense, but i don’t think that’s what’s going on

[lethal moat]

It’s been mentioned to repair bases and fences, though i doubt it’s hyper fences

[scarlet verge]

No no. Not those. But I am excited for Dibble trail cam when it comes out and see if there’s any new stuff in it

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah, the injection thingy

Gonna be cool

[hallow rover]

GUTs will be good when they are eventually in assuming they are a large underground network

I’m hoping the tunnel in the swamp will eventually connect to the perimeter

[median shuttle]

I mean it probably will, at least that small door in there, looking at how that tunnel is real close to perimeter

[lethal moat]

Having GUTS “network hubs” would be fun because of how many places an attack could come from

[hallow rover]

If I remember right there is an underground entrance to the perimeter already made (extremely unfinished). I bet that’ll be interesting once it’s done.

And those docks, they’ll be good too

[lethal moat]

Im super excited for Docks, but Perimiter has had some tunnels inside of it

The monorail station would also be neat

[hallow rover]

Although I’d imagine they are getting the actual island completed first before any of the other stuff, lots to look forward to in the future

The monorails are coming back I think, they just are not in because GUTs aren’t finished yet I imagine, I hope anyway

[acoustic osprey]

Still

I don't imagine a lot being added besides that
It's not really a priority and I don't think we're gonna get a lot all in one

Sadly we've never really gotten that

[acoustic osprey]

They might come back
Didn't seem like they were in the last stream

But i do hope soon though

[sturdy marsh]

what if some well paid people signed something called "a thousand lives contract" with Apollo and now they're basically forced to live 1000 lives as a dinosaur? That would explain not only the title of OST but also the replicator and a large part of lore

saw that theory somewhere and needed to share

[acoustic osprey]

Even though they're visual and not for gameplay
They're still visually intriguing

[lethal moat]

Yep, thats currently a popular idea that’s been tossed around, connected to EIPs, living a thousand lives to complete an EIP, etc

[hallow rover]

I mean they have the assets for the monorails made so I don’t see why they can’t use them, and you can still see the gaps in the jungle where the rails used to be as if they were just plucked out for the time being

[acoustic osprey]

there is one, technically, under the map

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/556090638156693524/image0.jpg?ex=65fd78c3&is=65eb03c3&hm=f1fbac00f7f6bf1710c0dc7a4bd311aef01f9aefaab570aa43aa119329cafcab&
can't find my original one
so here another version of it

but legacy's "Thousand Lives Contract" was basically an "paying you back with my lives, 1000 times over"

where you, the profile, would be replicated 1000 times

iirc, no one was able to succeed this

however, possibly, Damien (Khorne) did and GalliRuler (Dr Drive Chance)

[sturdy marsh]

is that still lore? I mean, in evrima

[acoustic osprey]

legacy only, at the moment

[patent ginkgo]

EIPs are still lore though

the rest isnt really

[acoustic osprey]

well, Thousand Life Contract is still in lore, technically.
But to the same extent it was in Legacy? Likely no

[hallow rover]

Monorail under the map? Where

[patent ginkgo]

under the big bridge at central river

[acoustic osprey]

near the big bridge with the water breakers on the "bridge that used to be"

[hallow rover]

Ima go have a look at that tommorow, haven’t seen that yet

[hallow rover]

Ah nice cheers for that

[acoustic osprey]

lol

no worries, had it on hand. Upside monorails ON TOP!!

[lethal moat]

I hope there’s a dock or airstrip on that southeast island, otherwise my monorail theory holds a lot least weight

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

well, we can hope something will be of that.
Seeing as the leaked map had an airstrip of sorts

[lethal moat]

There needs to be a reason for the monorail to go all the way out there

[fast forge]

leaked map?

[hexed forge]

Some old map that was leaked way before the release. lemme find it

[meager junco]

Gotchu

[lethal moat]

Thanks Shadow, I couldn’t find it for the life of me (yoink)

[meager junco]

Npp

[hexed forge]

The southwest part looks like an airstrip

[lethal moat]

Southeast? On the island? Yep

[meager junco]

Yeh that’s what we thought it was, plus it makes sense with it facing the water

[hexed forge]

No...

Southwest

[lethal moat]

OH, i see it, yeah, that looks neat

[hexed forge]

Southeast looks like a dock, I see just map being unfinished and the ground not being removed on the "Bay" of the dock.

[lethal moat]

I want a wrecked cargo ship somewhere on the playable map that has little secrets we can find

Partially submerged on a sandbar or on the beach would be sick

[hexed forge]

Underwater? Or on the coast

[lethal moat]

Both

[hexed forge]

mmm

[meager junco]

A lost world kind of Easter egg would be cool , a yacht that got too close

[hexed forge]

Also this bay right here, I feel like it might be closed off with underwater fences. Underwater fences were shown right? Or atleast talked about iirc.

[lethal moat]

It’s been talked about, I’d like for the monorail supports to be the poles for underwater fencing

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, the "airstrip" on the bottom right island is larger and bigger

[fast forge]

oh wow that's pretty different

[acoustic osprey]

the small one on the left is likely a small craft airstrip

[fast forge]

the volcano doesn't exist at all, the ocean comes in instead

[hexed forge]

Tbf if they wanted to keep things secret, I doubt they would use large aircraft.

[acoustic osprey]

no that's this
https://gyazo.com/7e4cda47b2cec93f709ee60cedd31b07

[meager junco]

It is but key aspects of it stay the same. Which is why there’s great possibility of some thing’s returning

[lethal moat]

The ocean moves in where water access currently is

[acoustic osprey]

no other way to transport things without large aircraft though

[hexed forge]

Boats.

[fast forge]

I see I see

[meager junco]

They could use both tbh

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, we know they carry rexes with helicopters

[meager junco]

Twice the amount of stuff moved

[acoustic osprey]

there's nothing less secretive with big aircraft though

[hexed forge]

Since when, woah. Never heard of that

[acoustic osprey]

ages ago

[lethal moat]

Air is faster, if a strain is unconscious, i want to move that guy from point A to point B as soon as possible

[acoustic osprey]

if anything, aircraft is more discreet than boats

[meager junco]

Matriarch is waking up sir!

[acoustic osprey]

tah dah

[hexed forge]

Hmmmm

[lethal moat]

If the islands are in an archipelago entirely controlled by AE, there is no reason why aircraft shouldn’t be used

[hexed forge]

I feel like using helicopters would be better than using planes, if thats the case

[acoustic osprey]

helicopters would be better for short range

[acoustic osprey]

especially if waves turn crap due to being in a tropical part of the world

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

If they need to move a strain that’s knocked out from one island to another that are far away, they’re gonna need a fast method to do it

[lethal moat]

Bring on the chinook helicopters

[hexed forge]

How much does an average strain weigh. For example hyper rex

[meager junco]

Hyper Rex was…38 tons?

This is legacy tho

[hexed forge]

Ah alr, so average cargo aircraft can carry em.

[meager junco]

Most likely as long as it doesn’t wake up

[hexed forge]

Cant carry a hyper sadly

[lethal moat]

Pretty much anything less than a hyper or a sauropod is fair game

[hexed forge]

Yep

An-225 to the isle when

[meager junco]

I mean that’s if hyper Rex stays the same size

It could be smaller/bigger now

[lethal moat]

AC-130 is the hyper gun

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/wwwaitimgoated-waitimgoated-goated-ac130-gif-9986618762488492390

[meager junco]

Btw rump I love how you called the inner tusks having meaning months ago on the podcast

[lethal moat]

Even though it’s a video game, i personally wouldn’t post that one

[hexed forge]

Why

[meager junco]

That’s a game? I thought it was RL

[hexed forge]

How did you think that was IRL lmao

[lethal moat]

Is there new information I haven’t heard about, or just that debate the other day

[hexed forge]

The inner tusks have a purpose

[lethal moat]

The game is extraordinarily accurate to real life, with the exception or target bahvaior

[meager junco]

Don said that they actually have a purpose

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[hexed forge]

I wonder if Hypers have some sort of acid

[meager junco]

Have you ever seen those types of videos? They look exactly like that

[meager junco]

Gimme a second I forget if this was in here or in discussion

[hexed forge]

It was in discussion

[lethal moat]

I would have seen it if it was here, put it in dev quotes channel as well

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

In lorecord

[hexed forge]

I know

[meager junco]

I’ll post it in lorecord too

But yeh you called it rump

[hexed forge]

I was staring at the map and imagining on how you can connect the southern island to the main island. And I thought of this biome, going along the east side that connects the islands

[lethal moat]

Have them be retractable

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-dragon-how-to-train-gif-22894180

Or they could be like shovels taking off chunks of meat whenever they bite

[knotty locust]

theory: hyper rex uses them like an eel and projects its inner mouth outwards to snag bites

alternatively, they assist in the crush that regular rex uses

[meager junco]

Yeh I was thinking something like that, main jaws are holding the prey and the little chompers just bite down and do massive damage

[lethal moat]

Hold onto it so it can bite over and over without the prey is what you’re saying

[meager junco]

Basically, big jaws are for grabbing, inner jaws for slashing away at the prey , this is actually quite effective to make a sauropod bleed now that I think about it

[lethal moat]

Do the inner tusks look sharper than the outer ones?

[meager junco]

Let me check

[pale marsh]

Well, the only usage of inner jaws irl that I know of, is to drag food into the animals mouth, usually fish

[meager junco]

Well from what I remember at least, the inner ones were more like actual fangs, while the big ones were like tusks

But let me check

[lethal moat]

Or the inner jaws are venomous or act as extra pre-digestion in addition to saliva

[meager junco]

Oh yeh they definitely are, but they look like hooks almost

At least on the bottom

The top seem bigger but more in the middle

[lethal moat]

Could be to help adjusting the grip without actually letting go

[meager junco]

Yeh but I feel like they might be a bit more than just that considering what dondi said , but I could be wrong

[pale marsh]

I wanna see them,

Curl innwards

To push food into the throat

[meager junco]

…..hm….press E to swallow, and you just see the Dino/meat slab get gulped down by those

[pale marsh]

See it kinda, inch inside

[lethal moat]

Internal mandibles

[meager junco]

That would be cool if they didn’t actually always pop up, but only when it grabs down on prey or forces them out

[lethal moat]

Threaten display and they sort of just slide out threateningly

[meager junco]

Mhm

[pale marsh]

They kinda rest down on the sides of the toungue when not in use

[fast forge]

I wonder if the tusks just work like the pharyngeal jaws of eels, helping to pull prey further into the throat

[pale marsh]

Idk, how or what the top fangs would work

[meager junco]

They’re the ones that kinda confuse me the most, weird placement, very long for where they are

[pale marsh]

Maybe like, they exist to hold onto live prey

[meager junco]

Oh wait

[lethal moat]

We need a better angle on the base of those

[meager junco]

Yeh look back, I forgot that he has sockets for the top fangs

Right beside the tongue

[pale marsh]

Yea they just, socket into the lower jaw

[meager junco]

Wonder if we got a wolverine situation where if the Rex has its mouth open for too long, the sockets seal up

[lethal moat]

Would hypers need lots of water as well?

I feel that goes hand in hand with needing more food

[meager junco]

I mean like generally speaking yes, cause of the size and metabolism

I still wonder if neuros need to keep “moist”

[lethal moat]

Having the strains all have flaws is a fun concept

[meager junco]

I mean for gameplay reasons and even lore reasons, they should all have 1 flaw/weakness

Maybe tissos are sensitive to light, or like to keep dry

[fast forge]

Tisso can turn invisible, but it's stinky

can smell it when it is close

[meager junco]

With the new smell system that could work actually

[fast forge]

stinky tisso

[meager junco]

But then I feel like the smelliest thing will be a hyper that just finished a brachi meal

[lethal moat]

Walk into a room, don’t see anything, but it’s full of tisso rank

[pale marsh]

What if likez tisso camo or transformation cause it to leave residue, like shed skin, dead flesh, etc

So while you will struggle to see it directly, they'll leave a larger "footprint" so you still gotta use yah brain

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

Maybe it’s camouflage is based off how much it’s moving, staying completely still makes it invisible but the faster it moves, the less the camouflage takes affect

Just walk in a room and there’s a tisso just sitting in the corner and you can’t see it at all cause it’s not budging

[lethal moat]

Iirc, dondi said he doesn’t want anything like the predator, but i think a chameleon like thing could go really well, and that would apply to the whole “not moving” idea

[meager junco]

Yeh kinda like the lost worlds carnos, it tries to simulate its surroundings the best it can

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[meager junco]

That could actually work with the light sensitivity thing too, light doesn’t exactly hurt it or anything, but rather, it makes the camouflage affect not as useful

Would make tisso more of a shadow prowler

[lethal moat]

Tisso in GUTS

[meager junco]

“Ah the lab is on this next left turn!”
Sees a weird shape in the hall as soon as you turn

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-1050270031768215821

[hexed forge]

That one character in every horror movie: "Oooooo, ima go check that out, seems fun"

[meager junco]

Our search for knowledge of lore with most likely end up like that a few times

[fast forge]

weird how that whole southeast area is just like, sand?

a desert/dunes biome?

[lethal moat]

It’s a very old map lol, though that general area is supposed to get coastal changes, so maybe that’s more what it represents

[lethal moat]

I can totally see one of us saying “hey guys, you should really see this.” And then getting yoinked by a GOLEM designation lol

Or was it DEIMOS

One of those two

[acoustic osprey]

Approach it.

[acoustic osprey]

likely an untextured section of the map at the time

[lethal moat]

So I did a little bit of research into counter-poaching, since that’s the closest thing i can see to AE security that’s fairly well documented, and they have a combination of riot gear and jungle survival gear, i genuinely think that that combo would work best

[acoustic osprey]

anti-piracy!!!

[lethal moat]

The group interviewed also had a trained dog, which i think also would work well, but I’ve brought this up several times now lol

[acoustic osprey]

trained dog for what though?

in comparison with large and a lot more heavyweight creatures
would a dog be worth while?

[lethal moat]

Mainly anti-personnel, but my idea would be dogs as an early warning system or as a way from humans to access the scent system

[acoustic osprey]

I'd imagine adding dogs being a programming pain though

and, to be fair, not really worth for anti-personnel reasons (obviously)

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it’s just a neat idea that i had

[acoustic osprey]

aye, it's still a neat idea

the gear aspect though is pretty neat.
We'll definitely, I'd say, get a mixture

possible storytelling routes with having certain loot being in a mixed but specific areas?

only issue is
more "close and upfront" things near perimeters, I'd imagine in lore, would be actually better for weaponry

so probably not?

[lethal moat]

Juggernaut meta vs stealth meta

Bring in the cattle prod

[worldly socket]

no idea what the lore behind any of this game is and i dont have experience theorizing nor do i have any proof
but what if the isle was a classified project made to test and try to weaponize dinosaurs for military use

idk though

[strange shell]

It's not
Using dinosaurs for military use is a rather stupid idea, to say it nicely

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-good-gif-18339262

[worldly socket]

i know
im bored

but what is it about anyway

just mad science?

[acoustic osprey]

have you read the Jurassic park novels?

[worldly socket]

no

but i saw the movie

[acoustic osprey]

I'd recommend reading them
a lot better than the movies in their own sake

they dive deeper, better, on the whys behind InGen

it's a good inspiration for Apollo Engineering

however
that does not mean their incentives are the same

[worldly socket]

ngl i aint buying any of them
but if there's a pirated version im up for it

[acoustic osprey]

unless InGen uses dinosaurs as an amusement feature

AE's "dinosaurs" are more so necessary but unfortunate

[worldly socket]

mutated lizards

[acoustic osprey]

less so mutated lizards
more so genetically synthesised creatures that are akin to, to some extent, the design and liking of the popular dinosaur idea

AE, at least, seem to be a lot more "god-focused"
there's likely a "We're playing god, so we're basically GODS" as an ego part of doing this all

[worldly socket]

huh

[acoustic osprey]

why make a normal animal when you can BRING back long lost creatures from extinction

why dinosaurs out of other extinct animals? They're the biggest animal things during the 80s-90s
prior to JP movie and after

[worldly socket]

mm

interesting

[acoustic osprey]

aye, quite some curious thoughts about such

[worldly socket]

but ngl it would be cool asf
giant trex with artilery on its back

the recoil would break his spine nvm, just miniguns then

[strange shell]

That's just like a WW1 tank, but worse in every way

[acoustic osprey]

scary rawr

[maiden sundial]

And humanity playing God was...a horrible mistake

At least in this context.

[strange shell]

In most cases, trying to act like a god when you're not a god tends to end up badly

[fallow harbor]

or vise versa like when in gow 2018 atres or whatever his name was thought himself as a mortal and got really sick

[lethal moat]

The only advantage to a rex tank would be being able to feed it enemies, solving the economics of fuel and having to deal with disease from enemy bodies

[fast forge]

Also the ability to step over logs and rocks

But yeah balance is a whole issue too - it's why I always thought 2-legged mechs were a bit silly

[lethal moat]

I’d love an assault rifle in-game, but i feel the only way to balance that would to have ammunition for it be incredibly rare, as in significantly harder to find than even normal ammo, and explain it by having all the ammo have been used at a different point

Exploring the underground is going to be so much fun, especially is they have “scene” areas, where you can tell something happened long ago, like lots of spent casings and a splash of dried blood on the wall or something

I want to have to work for lore

“Hrrrm, yis am detective “

[fossil nebula]

Autos/assault rifles would also jam much more then other firearms, especially if weapon condition is integrated

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say it'd definitely be worse due to, likely, the time gap as well

alongside worse weathering due to being in a tropical island

[lethal moat]

I’d say it depends on they type of assault rifle influences a lot, but also what the environment is and the quality of the ammunition

Because Kalashnikovs have been shown to wear better than the AR platform, but it does matter exactly what’s happening to the firearm

Wear and tear is going to have a massive effect on the quality of what you find in feel, because a Jeep in a garage with an open door is going to wear much worse than a jeep in a storage container stuck in GUTs

Wonder if there will be a differentiation between security vehicles and field research vehicles

Willy’s MB is a decent platform to choose for a dual purpose role in that situation

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-jeep-wrangler-just-send-it-offroad-gif-17383409

[acoustic osprey]

erm because it's a Jeep

and not true perfection that is the Toyota FJ40

[dusky valley]

What if they added hybrids into the game

[median shuttle]

just me running over troodons in my toyota prius

they should add the most wonderful car to the game, the fiat multipla

[candid berry]

am i on to something 🤓

[lethal moat]

The sectors are currently unfinished, looking forward to having a better idea with more fences in the upcoming updates

[candid berry]

oo

[lethal moat]

And we get something like the grid system in the upcoming dibble video, so that will be fun

[candid berry]

dibble vid soon?

[lethal moat]

It’s in the polishing phase

[candid berry]

Now im intrested

[lethal moat]

This is all we’ve got for now https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1215047755261681745/SPOILER_MoreLikeThisNowThough.png?ex=66048ee7&is=65f219e7&hm=4354e3a75db2ea39f422897ef7ee394395972bdf24045a83df7825940740d56e&

[candid berry]

oooooooooooooooooooooooo

[lethal moat]

So how much do you know about isle lore?

[candid berry]

none

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[lethal moat]

How much do you want to know?

[candid berry]

all

[lethal moat]

Alright, I’ll start you with our summary document, and if you want more, we can invite you to our server

[candid berry]

ill take a inv

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit I’ll DM you the invite

We also have a podcast

[candid berry]

damn

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-chair-phone-big-chair-little-man-gif-26212827

[lethal moat]

Check the rules when you get in to get the whole experience

[candid berry]

ok

[lethal moat]

Since you don’t really know stuff, these are gen 1

[candid berry]

i remember seeing these before

[lethal moat]

Hyper rex

[candid berry]

same as legacys version?

[lethal moat]

Nope, that’s the revamped version

[candid berry]

looks cool

[lethal moat]

Then we have semi-unofficial stuff

The creature is planned, but it probably won’t look like that

[meager junco]

DONT SAY THAT!!! Just look at her

Even tho I agree….

[candid berry]

what

[lethal moat]

Matriarch

[candid berry]

is that

[meager junco]

Matriarch, basically the queen of monsters in a way

[lethal moat]

My favorite

[candid berry]

looks like some kind of xenomorph thinf

[lethal moat]

Related to the tisso strain

[meager junco]

Also probably one of AEs most kept secrets and top projects

[lethal moat]

Can’t wait to give it it’s own dedicated episode

[meager junco]

I was thinking rump

[lethal moat]

Dangerous thing to do

[meager junco]

Maybe we should do a before matriarch episode, then an after one once we learn about it more or get a concept art of her

[meager junco]

Ik I almost exploded

[lethal moat]

What we currently have fills like, 3 sentences, I want a more solid base before theorizing off of Tapwing’s stuff

[meager junco]

That’s what I meant, we could have an episode where we talk about old isle stuff and just speculate off those old things

You know we can be at it for 2 hours with her as a subject

[lethal moat]

Maybe after an Augustus and a Dibble video

[meager junco]

Sure, that dibble video could drop before the next episode

[lethal moat]

I hope so, then we could cover both in the same episode

[meager junco]

Hoping that human sighting isn’t just “see a human head then it’s gone” kinda situation

I want to see it do something like using binoculars

[lethal moat]

Half a frame of a dude getting impaled lol

[meager junco]

But in the corner of the frame

LOL, I mean gen 1 is getting worked on

[acoustic osprey]

YEAH

can't wait honestly.
I wonder who is making it.

I presume it's someone not in the discord

[lethal moat]

Same dude who made dino models?

[acoustic osprey]

iirc, no

Baardo only did cherry last from what we know

[distant spindle]

Did anyone figure out what the hollow triangle/pyramids under a bridge in gatway are for?

[acoustic osprey]

water breakers

a shame
but yeah

water breakers

[lethal moat]

But triangles

[distant spindle]

Oh less interesting than i thought

[acoustic osprey]

yeah lol

[patent ginkgo]

Wait when did we get that info, I must’ve missed it somehow

[acoustic osprey]

files

[patent ginkgo]

Ah

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[patent ginkgo]

I was hoping they were deino guards

That’s what I use em for

[acoustic osprey]

could still have several purposes

[lethal moat]

I use compies as deino guards

[patent ginkgo]

[meager junco]

Same, I’m honestly more interested in how they move about, if they’re more beast-like than man-like

[fossil nebula]

I was a deino that if you wernt a huge meal and not being annoying I woulnt eat you, so a lot of smol lil fellas would stay or come to me often

[lethal moat]

An unnerving combination of both

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[meager junco]

Go on all 4s for sprint but jog is more a knuckle walk? I could dig something like that

[lethal moat]

Spider climbing rather than monkey climbing

Just flat and scuttling

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/until-dawn-wendigo-cassie-euphoria-until-dawn-cassie-gif-9342013993857727826

So exactly these boys

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[meager junco]

The movement for them was really well done imo

They looked like a spider more than an animal when moving

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/grevious-crawl-scuttle-star-wars-gif-16176515

[meager junco]

That’s honestly how they move in that game

Here’s a good image of one acting like that

[lethal moat]

I like it

[meager junco]

I can see them do both for sure tho, probably all 4s is better for movement but on 2 legs they can carry stuff aka gen 2s

So maybe Gen 1s will be one of the games creatures to get stance switch

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say more so with Eyeless, honestly

seeing as they can climb
i don't really imagine using all fours besides for climbing

have to look at their legs so

[meager junco]

I mean I can see them being kind of like wendigos in a sense, where they use both, but being on 4 helps with leaping and climbing

[lethal moat]

Double joined gen 1 could be fun

[meager junco]

It really just depends on how don wants to implement them, the design could just be cause he likes it

[acoustic osprey]

there is definitely a possibility of a large plethora of Gen1-types

[meager junco]

I personally love v2 cause of how much it seems more connected to eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

and more confused we got lol

[meager junco]

Idk in terms of design it seems there was multiple versions which maybe signifies that AE tried to fix Gen 1 before jumping onto Gen 2

[lethal moat]

Or they just wanted to test within the limits of gen 1

[meager junco]

True but why not with Gen 2 if both had the same goal? Saying this since gen 1 is most likely the previous version of Gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

that depends on what we actually know right now
which with Gen2s, not really that much. (On that regard)

[lethal moat]

Depends on if the goal is to complete an EIP, what that entails, or even if AE know what they’re looking for

[meager junco]

Idk I guess I just like to think that AE asked for a human and replicator created gen 1s since her programming has had her create multiple dangerous creatures and she’s just creating that human to be able to adapt to said creatures

[rapid chasm]

could also exist to keep deinosuchus away from bridges

[rapid stirrup]

What is that

That looks like an amalgamation of strains and dinos

[patent ginkgo]

The matriarch

[rapid stirrup]

Thats big

[patent ginkgo]

It can intake biomass and replicate properties of it in its own body

[rapid stirrup]

[scarlet verge]

Was that a Deino that it yoinked?

[rapid stirrup]

Yeah i think so

[fast forge]

like the stuff under the bridges downstream of water access

[fast forge]

Any theories regarding that Triatominae bit? Did the matriarch start off as a kissing bug, before adding dino DNA to itself?

[scarlet verge]

There are six stages and the Triatominae stage is one of them. I'm looking now, but I can't find the pictures of all six. But I don't think it's confirmed to have all six stages

[fast forge]

So like a genetic morphling kinda thing? Started as a bug, accumulated dino dna, morphing all the time?

[scarlet verge]

Yep, that's pretty much exactly what it is. I'll let some of the others that know a lot more explain it better, but yeah that's pretty much spot on

[scarlet verge]

https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Triatominae-matriarch-713194933 here was the stage 1 and if you read the description it talked about the Triatominae

[fast forge]

I see I see

I imagine they wanted to give it arthropod traits for creepiness, and this is the lore explanation for why

[scarlet verge]

Here are all 6. Might have 2/3 mixed up and 4/5 for the correct order

[meager junco]

Nah you got em right

[fast forge]

oh ok I think I had seen all of these except #5

[meager junco]

Sadly I don’t think taps old concepts will be used for the game’s actual matriarch, even tho it’s one of my favourite pieces of her work

[lethal moat]

I’M AWAKE, I’M NOT MISSING MATRIARCH TALK

[meager junco]

SH go back to bed it’s just a dream

[lethal moat]

Nuh uh

[meager junco]

Just speaking on taps old stuff

[lethal moat]

We know it’s related to the tisso strain in Evrima lore, however, there’s a lot we can try to guess from tapwing’s story she gave it

[meager junco]

If it’s truly the kaiju thing we had years ago , hyper is definitely taking a part of her growth

[scarlet verge]

They were asking where the Triatominae stuff fit in

[lethal moat]

It basically just started small and evolved by taking generic material from other organisms

[meager junco]

She does have that vampire bug mouth

[lethal moat]

The mosquito mouth allows it to take genetic material, even though it’s small

[meager junco]

I think what I like about taps evolution of her the most is how her traits seem to carry on over her life, mouth, tail, arms

[meager junco]

Except when she literally becomes anything passed stage 2, she start to don the jaws after that

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[scarlet verge]

I also like that you can see what dinos it's composed of. Like stage 3 looks like raptor/troo. Stage 5 is megalania/deino

[meager junco]

But maybe she just uses it to latch onto prey while the tongue sucks out the materials

[lethal moat]

Stage 6 is just whale lol

[meager junco]

Drying a whale up 🐋

[scarlet verge]

Didn't it say that after stage 6 it went underwater and they lost contact?

I know it's not at all lore cannon on the art page though

[meager junco]

She’d become too big to support herself

[scarlet verge]

But I think it implied it was still evolving

[scarlet verge]

Makes sense to go to water then

[meager junco]

Even then, iirc, she was evolving too fast for her own health

She either ended up dying cause she couldn’t do anything anymore or something along those lines

[lethal moat]

She began growing too many things on her body and they began just falling off

Imagine finding what’s left of the matriarch at the bottom of the ocean

An amorphous bottom feeder

[meager junco]

Wasn’t her jaw one of the things she couldn’t even control anymore or it fell off?

So basically, she couldn’t even feed herself anymore

[rapid stirrup]

This is the isle mahoraga

[lethal moat]

I don’t think we ever saw that in the art, it might be mentioned in the description, I’d have to check

[fast forge]

This point is especially fun, because if the matriarch started as a kissing bug, they are known for biting things larger than themselves. Any other small organism couldn't have "leveled up" in this way because they still usually eat smaller things

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[lethal moat]

If AE is still motivated by trying to “complete an EIP” then that implies every step in the iteration of creature and mutations is an attempt to get closer to whatever that is. That could mean it was dinosuars -> gen 1 -> strains -> matriarch, or something along those lines, but if they were to go down the wrong path, they could be attempting to restart with gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

stop placing Matriarch into everything!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-chair-phone-big-chair-little-man-gif-26212827

but yeah
there is definitely either one BIG goal or several (smaller or larger) AE/Apollo want to achieve
as their end goal

we can't really decipher that much
but with humans. Possibly them coming back with EIPs, is QUITE interesting

[lethal moat]

Matriarch was made in an attempt to complete an EIP in legacy

[acoustic osprey]

well yes and no

It coincided with the development of EIP profiles
not truly an EIP herself

but connected? yes

[lethal moat]

EIPs are important somehow

[hexed forge]

What if gen 2 is a complete EIP, or am I misunderstanding.

[lethal moat]

Could be

I think it’s likely personally

[acoustic osprey]

could be?

depends
human profile inside a profile (using legacy lore)?

unless a complete profile is trained through thousand lives through dinosaurs. A trial (akin to greek demi god trials 😊 )

and when they complete such? They are rewarded by the gods (in this case, AE)

their mind. Their profile.
Is placed back inside a perfected body

(but why are they on the island?)
Maybe the second trials are upon them?

[lethal moat]

EIPs never leave the island

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[rapid stirrup]

Do u guys think that evrima takes place after lecagy or at the same time as legacy?

[steel summit]

different timeline, the story is different

[nimble fractal]

Another universe

[rapid stirrup]

Huh

[rapid stirrup]

HUH?!

I have been missing a lot of lore😰

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/1081008629047627807/IMG_1332.gif

thank you for posting something though
even though my answer will be short

for Legacy
"current time" is from 2017 to 2018, roughly

and "the incident" occurred roughly in the 90s (potentially 80s)

in terms of where Legacy stands in real world dates

[rapid stirrup]

What was the accident?

[acoustic osprey]

HOWEVER
in terms of Evrima

Evrima is a complete reboot of Legacy lore
so their timelines aren't the same.
but some things can overlap

[acoustic osprey]

• such as key characters and ideas

[acoustic osprey]

the incident was a big incident
think JP-level incident. Everything going koo koo

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-gif-7496067

[rapid stirrup]

Oooo oke

[acoustic osprey]

basically Apollo Engineerings lose of control upon the island (islands)

potentially orchestrated by The Replicator and the many "unnatural" creatures within
especially the human strains

[rapid stirrup]

Mhhh alr alr

[acoustic osprey]

hope that explains such

there is a similar event within Evrima
but the reasons to "why" "how" "who" etc may be extremely different

there is one theory that it's potentially two split incidents at different time periods (still contemporary)

[rapid stirrup]

Do u think that the hypo behemoth or like the other strains creature are cannibals affected by the mutation?

[rapid stirrup]

Yeah thanks!

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[acoustic osprey]

what would you mean by "mutation"

also the Hyper behemoth you're thinking of is likely the Island Walker ||dubious but still best bet|| which was the giant ||dubiously|| v3 skeleton

[rapid stirrup]

I call the hypo strain or strains in general mutations

[acoustic osprey]

ahhh ok

so your question is if the big skeleton on Legacy is potentially a strain?

if so
it's a GOOD question

Just super hard to answer as we've never really gotten a lot of information on the Island Walker(s) sadly
besides that they existed in legacy lore ages ago.

[rapid stirrup]

This guy

Its name is colossus not behemoth but still

[acoustic osprey]

Ahh Colossus

Aye, this is H-Colossus

think of it as the brother of Echidna
both are human strains

(how human originally? who knows)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/522285511172161556/f3fe8cc1691803b14c1d6b6ec1f3e296.png?ex=6603b049&is=65f13b49&hm=c558a8ca751719927325ad521913fd061735df0d39b0b1c62913ce9b77700d34&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/522285557985050624/58d64ce0cebc3ece19ffdbf10ad46c82.png?ex=6603b054&is=65f13b54&hm=9b46a38bf1b40f373feace58fee1357452b227e77f4d02bee6cf1b4a8c40bf33&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480390528729091/472164510422007839/Island_walker_sketch.jpg?ex=6605eb77&is=65f37677&hm=1170150b08875bd25eb52a35bff45762a8ba9926d1324d98c8ebb8ef4be4aa48&

some Island Walker interpretations though from WAY BACK

just because I went through some of the stuff I had stored from years back just then because you made me think of such, lol

[rapid stirrup]

Those things are massive

[acoustic osprey]

yeah... crazy

[rapid stirrup]

Thanks again for explaining :D

[steel summit]

i really hope this guy gets back, but i can only hope

[rapid stirrup]

The end

[steel summit]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm, it'd be interesting on how such would happen

[steel summit]

lowest level of tartarus, giant skeleton 2.0, many things possible

[acoustic osprey]

honestly
just rename Island Walker as "Typhon" at this point

[steel summit]

is there a reason?

[acoustic osprey]

giant monsterous being?
Don referred to it, many years ago, as a being that can CROSS large bodies of water?
And if trapped in the lowest point in tartarus?

perfect candidate as Typhon

[steel summit]

i see

[acoustic osprey]

said the blind man

[steel summit]

lets use islandwalker as Typhon, lets also say islandwalkers are natural, lets then say that the strains have been created by using islandwalker genome (you know since Typhon is the father of all monsters)

[acoustic osprey]

and so, therefore, you could also refer to it, Island Walker, Typhon, as the Patriarch 😊 aka. Primordial
seeing as you'd have it as the base of things for strains

but in all honestly
it'd be VERY interesting to fit in Island Walker back into lore

[steel summit]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as Matriarch a lot more easily fits into the idea of Strains
especially with Tissos

as an aspect of "becoming perfect"

but Island Walker? A bit harder
LARGE DOODES WALKING AROUND ISLANDS!!!

[steel summit]

yeah

but hyperendocrin could have something to do with the size

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

Island Walker - the Hyper of all Hypers

[steel summit]

natural Hyperendocrin

[acoustic osprey]

making Colossus look like a baby island walker

[acoustic osprey]

or unnatural Hyper
the most unstable Hyper of all?

unless it's just a hyper Pue

[steel summit]

an unnatural hyper is what i would call something that has been injected with the hyperendocrin strain, but i mean what if the Island Walker is a natural producer of Hyperendorcin (or a part of it)

[acoustic osprey]

ahhh

i was more so thinking about the stability of the strain strand itself

less so how it was created.
But yeah. I could see it as a "natural hyper" of sorts

[steel summit]

i see
(said the blind man)

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Interesting idea, watering down strains for safety

[lethal moat]

I do not remember waking up and typing this

[meager junco]

Wdym by that? Like more of a regular Rex than a hyper?

[strange shell]

magna rex

[meager junco]

Wasn’t magna more dangerous than hyper tho?

[lethal moat]

It was more survivable

[meager junco]

There’s also a case where one killed a hyper Rex for food

[glacial vortex]

idea for lore: its all a simulation

[lethal moat]

Define simulation

[glacial vortex]

or its allllll a dream

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[glacial vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[glacial vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/941919671660208148/1116088861148315749/watermark.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-folds-hmusicruof4-rockin-the-suburbs-male-middle-class-and-white-fuh-gif-12724213763414725599

[lethal moat]

I'd sign an AE e,ployment contract

[glacial vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919680757813882910/1097100712506298379/unknown-2-3.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Damn

[glacial vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-anime-profile-picture-gif-19903708

[lethal moat]

Behold, an old thing I don't think I ever posted here that is almost certainly 100% not accurate

[glacial vortex]

not going to lie that looks like you made it while in a fever dream and also hammerd at the same time

[lethal moat]

Based off this

[glacial vortex]

just warning its kinda loawd

[sonic rampart]

@glacial vortex Enough trolling, please

[glacial vortex]

how is that trolling but ill stop just asking how tho

[acoustic osprey]

Ah yes

[fast forge]

I wanna see other incident reports named after roman emperors. Nero or Caligula would be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Greek kings!!

[fast forge]

aww

[lethal moat]

Or the idea of Augustus being an overweight german child

[strange shell]

Caligula would probably be how the Island got abandoned
Though Nero fits that too

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Caesar for an (internal) incident report ☺️

Sorry, we had to expose of some internal issues guys!

[strange shell]

0 days since last Caesar

[acoustic osprey]

We will feed you to the dinosaurs

[karmic tinsel]

.

[lethal moat]

Hello there

[meager junco]

Preach

[karmic tinsel]

heelo

hello*

[lethal moat]

You new?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes I am

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[fast forge]

I can't find anything on a greek king named augustus? A google search just comes up with the roman emperor, and I see nothing in a list of greek kings

[meager junco]

It was just a popular Roman and Greek name if my memory serves me right

[fast forge]

Edit: Sorry it's a name, not a title. Meaning "most august one", just saying he is important

[meager junco]

Think there also something about an Augustus being the first of something in Greek or Roman literature but I’m not sure, Isaac is the real mytho nerd

[lethal moat]

Augustus is very late greek early roman iirc

[meager junco]

Irdk, I just remembered it was a popular name in both

[fast forge]

yeah that's why I tagged him, he was the one who said Augustus was a greek king

[young viper]

hyper

the replicator will save us

[lethal moat]

Yis

[acoustic osprey]

No

Greek kings as in more Greek names, not latin/Roman based

Unless there is a lore reason for such (Ie possible two incidents theory and/or time jump)

[acoustic osprey]

Nah
Augustus derived from the Greek "Sebastos" (Sebastian)

Augustus is only Latin into German

[lethal moat]

Ooo, that's neat, thanks

[acoustic osprey]

You'll note many pronunciations and titles in German history come from Latin, surprisingly

The "C" in Caeser is just Kaiser
No soft c, hard C (K)

Same with "V" sounding like w

Latin hello, Salve, is pronounced "sal-wey"

[fast forge]

Do we have any other latin names in the lore?

[acoustic osprey]

Augustus was used as both a title and a name

Romans loved using names of great emperors as their imperial title

Hence many Roman emperors will have the title "Caeser"

Despite not being Julius Caeser

[acoustic osprey]

Off from the top of my head, it's only Augutus atm

[lethal moat]

The only names we have so far in Evrima are Augustus and Shirley

Well, proper names

[fast forge]

Augustus is an interesting choice then. Not only do we have the Greek/Roman shift, but also the association with emperors instead of gods

[acoustic osprey]

For dinos

[acoustic osprey]

To be fair, later Romans would form imperial cults and worship emperors as such

[fast forge]

That's true

Still I feel like there is a bit of a natural hierarchy here - AE and their internal organization associated with gods, while a "successful experiment" like Augustus is akin to an emperor, someone created by gods but above the average man

(and yes I know Augustus was not an experiment, but it's the closest term I've got)

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
Trying not to associate themselves with their creations

Disconnecting themselves from "mortals"

But Augutus turned beneficial, so was given a grander mortal title

I presume the same/ similar for those that do similar

It'd be interesting IF Gen2s and/or Gen1s might have demi-god names

Seeing as they'd lay the connection between AE's still humanly existence and but are still "man-made"

[fast forge]

yeah

I think it would also be fun to see more... controversial roman emperor names come up as desginations

[acoustic osprey]

Year of the 4 emperors moment insert here

[fast forge]

wow I don't really know much about roman history so I just looked that up, that's wild

Also as an aside, being an Ice and FIre fan I noticed that "Year of the Four Emperors" rolls off the tongue similar to GRRM's "War of the Five Kings"

[hexed forge]

Guys the dibble video on april 1st, im going to continue calling it.

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

I bet money with some friends

Dondi please release it on April 1st, I need that money

[meager junco]

Yeh I didn’t wanna say anything wrong so that’s why I just pointed towards you

[young viper]

Imagine if he really released the video on April 1st, but it was actually an April 1st joke

[hexed forge]

Title: Diabloceratops T-CAM
Description: Dibble stuff ig
First 5 seconds: Diabloceratops eating
After 5 Seconds: Abruptly ends with "April fools" Text

[fast forge]

Well, my birthday is April 1st

and according to that rando in #isle-discussion a few weeks ago, I'm one of Dondi's alt accounts

ergo, dibble on my birthday

flawless logic

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Nuh uh

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw the Lorebringer

[acoustic osprey]

Just light

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-run-the-jewels-coachella-i-see-you-you-there-gif-25421654

[young viper]

https://tenor.com/view/chrispratt-jurassicworld-dance-gif-4818039

[rapid stirrup]

Btw waching this photo i noticed how obscure the spino kinda his since they dont even know how big or heavy it is,,,it kinds looks like it was made in secret(?) sorry if it may sound stupid tho but i find it kinda interesting the spino here (again sorry if it sound stupid as hell^^’)

Maybe its a new asset that Æ didn’t have time to study when the incident came?

Wait i just saw the fictional thing

[lethal moat]

Spino is pretty large, maybe there’s an in game reason for it, maybe it just happened

[rapid stirrup]

[strange shell]

This size chart is unofficial

[rapid stirrup]

I feel soo stupid right now

[ancient latch]

That is the most passive aggressive image ive ever seen I am stealing that

[rapid stirrup]

:p

[fast forge]

[lethal moat]

New theory that I’ve internalized, but I don’t think I’ve even shared

When we asked Dondi about AE’s leaders, wether it was a council or a single person, he said first one, then another, and we’ve extrapolated (potentially incorrectly) from that one comment Dondi had from a stream a few months ago, that the newest leadership is a single person, so, I think the old leadership died on the island, only to be replaced by the CEO, or died in the interim when the island was abandoned, either way, it indicates a change in leadership, and I think that the new leader could potentially have a different vision for the dinosaurs, EIPs, whatever, than the original council intended, or vice versa if we’re wrong

[patent ginkgo]

His comment about how not everything existed at once in the same place has me thinking that in lore, the island may not still be abandoned

[lethal moat]

True

But different eras having different goals could make sense

[patent ginkgo]

I mean we know that’s the case to an extent, what with the botany origins

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/realize-whoa-mindblown-wtf-albino-gif-5049830

[patent ginkgo]

I would like to know if some of AE’s more wild projects, such as strains, gens, and potentially dinosaurs are a result in a change in vision due to a change in leadership

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[pale marsh]

Happens to the best of us

[fallow harbor]

maybe its like 1/8 hyper or smth

[next urchin]

So for example, for universes such as Mass Effect, Halo, or Warhammer, there are millions of coherent wikipedia pages covering many aspects of why things are the way they are. Is there any place for The Isle where I could find something like that? For example, what was the whole idea of the Isle, why are the structures the way they are, what did the humans intend there? What about those huge buildings, what should be in there? Etc.! Thanks

[lethal moat]

I can give you a document, a podcast, a server, and a few people to go to

[patent ginkgo]

Check the pinned comments, this is one of the best places to get info. A lot of the lore is unknown even to us lorelings

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Here’s the summary of what we’ve got so far, I can provide more if you want

[next urchin]

I'd be up to read something

tyvm

ah ha - dino hunting

[lethal moat]

Not the main reason, but it happens apparently

[next urchin]

it just jumped out to me as explanatory

for a part, i guess - the main reason for the whole business seems unknown

[lethal moat]

Yep

We know very little

[next urchin]

it's fun to imagine though, there's a lot of in your face huge constructions, and the isle itself

[lethal moat]

Why dinosaurs is a dangerous question round these parts, many a rant has been written and spoken

[next urchin]

i suppose there is a lot of room to speculate for yourself

[lethal moat]

The lore isn’t finished yet, the lore server finds stuff as it arrives

[next urchin]

all this stuff certainly stimulates the imagination, what if

but your document describes more widespread messing with genetics/creatures

[lethal moat]

Mainly creating creatures

[next urchin]

maybe it was just "normal at the time" to be in the bio engineering business

then much later looked down upon as unethical and slaverylike

ah see here i go already

[lethal moat]

Nope, the dinos aren’t public knowledge and AE is very secretive, but they justify the atrocities because apparently the reward would be worth it

You want an invite to the lore server?

[next urchin]

nah i'm good, i appreciate it tho

[lethal moat]

Mhm

I’d also recommend checking out lightclaw on youtube, he makes good stuff

[next urchin]

will observe

[pale marsh]

Who is this "lightclaw"? I only know
Checks notes

Ser lorvos the lightbringer

[lethal moat]

Quiet you

[pale marsh]

No

[lethal moat]

[pale marsh]

Remember kids, these are more akin to automatons of flesh than actual dinos

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

Depending on your view you could apply that to anything but yeah

[pale marsh]

Godless homunculi

Like rumple

[lethal moat]

Yes, that is I

[hexed forge]

So many devs online, I assume the meeting is today.

[lethal moat]

Wednesday is meeting days yes

[hexed forge]

Oh, I thought its thursday today lmao

[lethal moat]

Pretty sure it’s wednesday

[hexed forge]

Just checked the calender, it indeed is wednesday

[hexed forge]

The lore server has a bunch of other documents too, a nice community if you want to discuss lore professionally.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[fast forge]

Yes, AE pays us direct deposit. Have you not gotten a check? Talk to HR

[lethal moat]

I will

[fast forge]

Make sure to keep the union appraised of the situation too

and by "the union" I mean the horrible union of 30 dinosaurs crawling across the bottom of tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

Union? Don't you mean absolute love and respect for AE 😊

which is why no one wants to leave!

[lethal moat]

Why would we unionize? I love working here

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

no no no you misunderstand me

not union like workers union

I mean union like in The Thing

Basically the Matriarch

[lethal moat]

I’ll take your entire stock

[acoustic osprey]

the horde

[pale marsh]

Wait
Ok
Consider

[acoustic osprey]

no

[pale marsh]

Cope

Superorganism matriarch

[lethal moat]

YES

[pale marsh]

Basically it's not one animal
But many working in unison

[acoustic osprey]

Matriarch at her final absorption level

[pale marsh]

Or
Matriarch at every level

[lethal moat]

So, a multicell organism?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-meta-knight-jumpscare-gif-13512934523428690426

[pale marsh]

I'm going my Wikipedia definition of superorganism

[acoustic osprey]

aka. Horde mentality

[hexed forge]

Destroyah

[acoustic osprey]

I'd much more see this with Neuro goo than anything

[pale marsh]

Yea
Is about to say

[acoustic osprey]

but

a Matriarch superorganism would be interesting

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/godzillagigabash-destoryah-gif-27204325

[pale marsh]

Examples being destroyah or the lekgolo from halo

[hexed forge]

Yeah!!!

[pale marsh]

Honestly destroyah is such a cool concept

I need that idea in scifi more

Halo also does it very well

Which, halo lekgolo analogy does open up ideas as to what the matriarch could exist for

Being a purposed organism meant to adapt to various roles given to it my it's human handlers

[lethal moat]

I hope there's a way for dinosaurs to know wether or not a base has been captured and repaired, maybe floodlights only working at repaired bases

Because I've been thinking of Gen 2 gameplay, and if they can just stealth until they have the needed resources to overpower anything, there should be more limiters to getting there

[lethal moat]

I’ve broken it down based on how I think it’ll go for if gen 2 were to recapture the island as an organized group:

1. Land on the island and designate a plan like this one on how to proceed.
2. Meet up at some known supply point, maybe one of the docks or a warehouse in GUTS.
3. Loot as much as possible, then travel to an easily defended area to turn into the main base, most likely Perimeter, though if that isn’t feasible to take so early due to a lack or supplies, any base with the ability to field and maintain vehicles would work.
4. Capture, repair, and maintain bases that allow for information gathering and communication, so probably the radio towers, so that you can keep tabs on all your members, and potentially dinosaurs from tracking chips.
5. Now that you have information and easy long range communication, focus on getting as many supplies as possible while still maintaining important points.
6. Use those supplies to either maintain control over the island now that you could rely on firepower rather than stealth, or complete the gen 2 objective that is the “win condition” if you haven’t already completed it to get to this point.

This is obviously an ideal scenario, and would likely take a long time to get to, but once radio communication is established, and hellicopters are acquired, the largest obstacle to having reinforcements or quick evacuation at any time would be fuel consumption or just being underground, having extremely limited fuel on the island would completely throw this out of wack though

[rapid stirrup]

Now that i think of it, this might not be stupid if u think abt it cause even if the size chart is not official it made me think that the spino maybe was a top secret creature i meen just look at that, its heavy armored (hypo armor like) would pretty much kill everything it sees i think AE tried to do something with it

https://tenor.com/view/edgeworth-objection-funny-objectionable-ace-attorney-gif-25862709

[patent ginkgo]

Could be another troodon situation

[rapid stirrup]

Pls explain

[patent ginkgo]

Specifically “but what if we did this”

[rapid stirrup]

Mhhhh it makes sense

[patent ginkgo]

Seems to be applicable to a variety of dinos

[rapid stirrup]

Like?

Dilo and mono maybe

Beipi

[patent ginkgo]

Omni, teno, Herrera, etc as well

Specially Omni though

[rapid stirrup]

Teno?

[patent ginkgo]

Teno is essentially like a hyper version of irl teno

[rapid stirrup]

Mhhhh then i guess

Beipi too then

[maiden sundial]

Not wrong

[maiden sundial]

Beipi is more Hypo rather than hyper

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah lol

[rapid stirrup]

Sorry but i will send this photo when i dont know what to say

[maiden sundial]

Irl beipi specimens we have are juveniles

[rapid stirrup]

Dayum

[maiden sundial]

No adults, but they were likely much bigger

I almost got dededeleted. autocorrect saved by butt.

[rapid stirrup]

So yeah i think the spino was meant to be used for some devius things

[rapid stirrup]

How big u think?

[maiden sundial]

Likely big enough to defend itself against yuty

[rapid stirrup]

Yuty?

[maiden sundial]

Yutyrannus

[rapid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/yutyrannus-dinosaur-walking-jurassic-park-jurassic-world-gif-17281015

This thing

[maiden sundial]

Yup

[rapid stirrup]

Idk maybe a pack of them would

[maiden sundial]

Yuty gets quite big.

[rapid stirrup]

I meen a pack of beipi against a yuty

[maiden sundial]

Oh. Also this is a VERY HYPOTHETICAL possible adult size.

[rapid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-quagmire-glen-jaw-gif-22600043

[maiden sundial]

As I said, VERY hypothetical

[patent ginkgo]

#paleotalk

Before y’all get yelled at by a colorful name

[rapid stirrup]

I was trying to talk abt the spino lma

[rapid stirrup]

Things to do once in a life time

[rapid stirrup]

Wanna hop on #paleotalk?

Im kinda interested now

[gloomy bridge]

I WANNA PAT PAT THEM

[acoustic osprey]

However some may exist with the same case as Augustus

In terms of it's climbing

[acoustic osprey]

I.e. emergent anomalous behaviour

[hexed forge]

Wait, THATS THE REAL SIZE OF A BEIPI

[maiden sundial]

Theoretically

[hexed forge]

Damn, that is crazy. Dondi take notes, maybe this will be an excuse to give beipi a hyper strain

[acoustic osprey]

technically yeah
fairly recent as well

the current beipi we have is believed to be a juvie

[meager junco]

I mean it’s cousin is theri, plus our beipi isn’t really accurate

[twilit oasis]

can confirm beipis get big

[fast forge]

I've heard from others that this site isn't very good with these size comparisons

[twilit oasis]

ah, good to know.

got this from Wikipedia, so i think this checks out

[acoustic osprey]

Please never use prehistoric wildlife again

[twilit oasis]

i got that yeah

wikipedia's articles seem pretty accurate; this is a therizino

the arm alone tells you it's a pretty large dinosaur

[fast forge]

yeah but here is a family tree of the therizinosauroidea. Beipiaosaurus is very basal (i.e. primitive)

[twilit oasis]

one of the first, yeah.

so the "very hypothetical" isn't.. extremely likely tbh

[fast forge]

It may not be that much like therizino, it's like comparing a puma and cheetah

[twilit oasis]

beipi was still a smallish creature. I don't know if they'd have a neck that long or stand that upright

[twilit oasis]

yeah it isn't straight up a theri, kind of an early draft so to speak

[fast forge]

my point is mostly that size can vary (look at that jaguarundi), or we could even find that the two specimens of beipiaosaurus were both juveniles

[twilit oasis]

it technically is in the therizinosauridae superfamily, but it had a long way to go before actually being a Therizinosaurus.

[twilit oasis]

i believe we did, p sure we only have immature specimens

or it's speculated.

[fast forge]

Off a quick search I can only find for that, and it's a bad wiki with no sources

[twilit oasis]

ok so apparently we have a "Partial" group of specimens. We aren't sure on the age, just that they aren't like babies

[twilit oasis]

i just looked it up rq

[fast forge]

yeah I just found the original paper, they were an "early-juvenile and a late-juvenile"

[twilit oasis]

so not adult fully, but also not like super young

i mean based on how big the late-juvi was, we could probably speculate how much it would grow based on the size diff in the early juvi to late juvi.

shrug

we don't know a whole lot about beipi. it is in the name

B. Inexpectus, Meaning literally "Unexpected" in latin, which is funny

..but it's also funny that "Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla" is an animal

(but fr i don't research much on beipi, i know more about his later stage guy the theri, one of my favorite dinosaurs--i know more about Carnotaurus than i should)

(to any lore server fans sorry for being annoying and uneducated lol)

[patent ginkgo]

We like to educate

[hexed forge]

Me personally, I like to educate them by throwing them into the server and just forcing them to read the document

[twilit oasis]

which document

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[twilit oasis]

OOOOH yeah i read that one

i meant uneducated as in actual dino facts

(i used prehistoric wildlife as an image one time and i died lol)

[hexed forge]

Step 2 complete, now complete step 1 please. You cant skip it

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-i-think-you-should-jump-jump-suggesting-gif-26350789

[twilit oasis]

what's step 1

[hexed forge]

Join the lore server if you want

[twilit oasis]

oh i see

later, perhaps.

the numbers and letters mean nothing to my brain, i just kinda wanna see what humans actually use those cages for

..and the giant crabs if they exist still

[hexed forge]

They do

[twilit oasis]

heehee funney crabz

craeb

Crustaceans. How i love crustaceans so.

[thin vine]

basal? like the herb?

[acoustic osprey]

🙂

[acoustic osprey]

No like the guitar....

[thin vine]

ohhhhh

👎

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you

[thin vine]

youre NOT welcome!

[fast forge]

No basil is not basal it is derived. But not like an endive

[acoustic osprey]

Oh

[thin vine]

i had something really confusing to say to this but it was stupid

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[rapid stirrup]

They would bite your hand

[fast forge]

Isle lore is a snore 😪

[patent ginkgo]

[lethal moat]

[fast forge]

I know it is to be abhorred, but isle lore is a snore and a bore... until we get more

[lethal moat]

Or just start throwing out wack theories

[fast forge]

John Cake is the matriarch

[lethal moat]

What evidence do you have?

[fast forge]

nothing

[lethal moat]

Then it’s not a very good theory

[fast forge]

true

[lethal moat]

I wonder which strain was developed first, because they all seem like extreme progression of mutations, but to what end? Idk

[fast forge]

What is tisso's deal again? Active camouflage?

And neuro is just psychic big-brain megamind stuff?

[lethal moat]

Hyper could be muscle enhancement, neuro is brain enhancement, and tisso could be an extension of the skin selection system

[fast forge]

They could all be the same treatment, but applied/specific to different tissue types

Hyper: the endocrine system
Tisso: connective tissues/skin
Neuro: nervous tissue

[lethal moat]

Could be

I actually like that idea

Inject the “crab sauce” into various systems

[fast forge]

It wouldn't need direct application necessarily (i.e. inject crab sauce into the ectoderm, or developing endocrine organs, or brain cells).

In biology you can craft drugs to only interact with receptors in specific parts of the body, so it might be the same drug (or whatever) but made specific for certain receptors

... which doesn't affect lore much, but it is fun to think about

[lethal moat]

Well it depends, because that could effect how you get strains in game, and also changes exactly what we think the strains as doing

While on the topic of strain application, I’m wondering exactly how the replicator works, because I’m thinking more and more that the replicator isn’t a biological 3d printer, but more-so a crisper machine attached to an incubator

[maiden sundial]

Hyper would likely be the first. Then neuro. My reasoning is what they would have to tweak in order to make it happen. The hyperendocrins basically have their pituitary gland on maximum overdrive

[meager junco]

Honestly with everything we’ve learned, I see her more as a program on a terminal in Olympus HQ that branches out to the labs

[maiden sundial]

Neurotenics have insanely powerful minds. So they went from just a gland to the brain as a whole.

[lethal moat]

Well yes, but the tools used I think are probably tanks, rather than a printing area/plate

[meager junco]

Wait
You actually thought they were somewhat 3D printed in a way?

[lethal moat]

Knowing exactly what strains were made for would probably help us determine how the strains were made

[lethal moat]

Not exactly, more created without being nurtured, and it’s easiest to compare that to printing

[fast forge]

why not? we 3D print organs

[meager junco]

Oh yeh fair,
Yeh I’d think she hooked onto VATS/lab tanks and that’s what spit out the Dino’s , just a question of where are the Dino’s released at first, like I doubt that they just get shot up to the surface

[maiden sundial]

For me I'm using their name as reference. At least for the hyperendocrins. Since their second part of the name is endocrine. Which works hormones, the immune system, and other parts of the body.

[lethal moat]

That’s probably smartest

[lethal moat]

Wonder if we’ll get a lore explanation for spawning, or if there will be a change to the spawning system

[meager junco]

I mean from the sounds of it, replicator could be a sort of bio-printer

If that makes any sense

[maiden sundial]

Literally everything that goes on with hyperendocrin is kinda linked to the endocrine system.

Enormous size? The endocrine system regulates growth of bones, muscles, fat, and other tissues.
Large amounts of armor? Same thing as the first.

Insane appetite? The endocrine system controls your metabolism

[meager junco]

I definitely want to know “why do I just appear in the wild in a random spot”

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but exactly how that’s implemented is as if current unknown

[maiden sundial]

The only thing you can't explain is more the huge amount of tusks.