isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

A person

[limber parrot]

ye

[lethal moat]

Likely to be redesigned and changed but yes

[alpine lynx]

colossus is a big threat to the dinosaurs, isn’t it?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[meager junco]

To sauropods especially imo

Biggest food source on the islands

[alpine lynx]

not just sauropods, it can just take a mid sized dinosaur and eat it,

[limber parrot]

that depends on how well its locked up

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-hungy-reginald-monster-house-me-when-im-hungry-gif-13345871

[meager junco]

Yes but sauropods are much easier to track and hunt , not saying it won’t eat anything like a Carno but it definitely will go for a brachi first

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how big it is

[acoustic osprey]

i don't think being locked up will be a problem "post-incident"

[limber parrot]

let me help you out there

[lethal moat]

Thank

[meager junco]

I COULDNT FREAKING COPY IT

[alpine lynx]

how did they locked up colossus tho?

[limber parrot]

hah, get outpaced

[meager junco]

Good question

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus possibly

[limber parrot]

id imagine having it somewhere from "birth"

[lethal moat]

Probably raised in isolation, we don’t know for sure

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know, truly, the size and depth of Tartarus
So who knows

[limber parrot]

and whats that

[meager junco]

Titans and bad people go there

[lethal moat]

I think he meant to say “don’t”

[acoustic osprey]

Containment
Imprisonment
Creation facility

Anything

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[limber parrot]

nevermind then

[meager junco]

Data server

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say it's an explicit data server

[lethal moat]

@alpine lynx Can I interest you in the lore server?

[alpine lynx]

sure why not

[limber parrot]

do we know if the replicator lies within tartarus

[lethal moat]

Someone send the princess and the frog thing

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[meager junco]

Who knows but it’s a possibility

[limber parrot]

a simple no wouldve sufficed lol

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[alpine lynx]

if the strains are danger to the other speciements, why would they release them and watch it kill their own creation?

[meager junco]

Who said they were to be free?

[lethal moat]

They might not have meant to release them

[limber parrot]

they got out, noone released them on purpose

or well, maybe someone pulled a ned, idk

[meager junco]

Rump you said that this week lol

[lethal moat]

I DM’d you the invite

[alpine lynx]

yeah im in

[meager junco]

Prob not for the Ned reason tho, prob more for moral reasons

[lethal moat]

Sabotage is a possibility

[limber parrot]

ah yes the morally correct thing to do is release the monsterfied dinosaurs onto the actual animal dinosaurs, why not

[meager junco]

I mean hyper sounds like it’s just a pain to be

[lethal moat]

Maybe that wasn’t their intention, pull the lever kronk situation

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-jurassic-park-wayne-knight-gif-24822854

[alpine lynx]

why would someone need to make a creature that is threath to the humanity

[limber parrot]

release the new Troodon specimens
right away
wrong lever, 257

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sussy-baka-breaking-bad-meme-gif-24570545

[lethal moat]

Probably medicinal reasons or something similar

[limber parrot]

if someone pays you enough money youre always willing to turn your good into evil

[alpine lynx]

fastest way to die

[meager junco]

Now time for the real threat to humanity

[lethal moat]

We know AE likely has good intentions, doing bad things for the greater good etc

[acoustic osprey]

to note though, strains are, coincidentally, also used for medicine
Possibly medicine research?

[limber parrot]

maybe so, but thats undoubtably off someones radar when theyre getting the shinies

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[alpine lynx]

id like to became a hyper and kill everyone around me because im starving to death 🥰

[meager junco]

Probably enhancing humanity or someone or a group of people, kinda to be more powerful than others in a way

[limber parrot]

well, the 3 strains we got right now, certainly werent the intention or at least not the final product if youre trying to put that stuff into hospitals

[lethal moat]

Sounds like a miserable existence

[alpine lynx]

WAIT

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[snow jasper]

Killing faster than an islands populus can reproduce isn't sustainable

[lethal moat]

Ladies and gentlemen, who wants to help me redline the replicator’s production rate

[meager junco]

Huh wdym

[limber parrot]

i would imagine the hyperendocrin strain to in concept having been intended as a cure for otherwise mortal wounds
as for tisso, yeah i got nothing
neuro maybe to enhance a humans, well neural capabilities but thats about as vague as it gets

[lethal moat]

Make it pump out Dino’s faster than it’s supposed to and break it

[meager junco]

Possibly intelligence

[alpine lynx]

What if they were trying to modify humans for a better life time, stronger and better humanoids, and wanted to test it on dinosaurs?

[lethal moat]

Tisso is regeneration

[meager junco]

Hmmm

[limber parrot]

i thought that fell under hyper

[lethal moat]

That’s a theory that ties in with EIPs and stuff, but it’s totally possible

[lethal moat]

Hyper heals fast, tisso regenerates organs and lost limps

[meager junco]

^

[limber parrot]

hypers dont just tank a whole lot, they also regenerate like crazy

[limber parrot]

the geck

[lethal moat]

[limber parrot]

actually wait, thats salamanders nvm

[meager junco]

That’s kind of a theory going around but we’re still not sure

[alpine lynx]

hypers are pretty fast, big and heals pretty fast, but starves to death

[lethal moat]

Pretty much yeah

[alpine lynx]

it might be tho, humans are the first purpose of everything

[meager junco]

DAMN RUMP we forgot to ask if our moist theory for neuro is accurate?

[lethal moat]

We’ll have to ask

[limber parrot]

one thing we do know is that the creation was some sort of necessity right? something in the world had to have changed for humans desperately seeking to enhance themselves tenfold

[alpine lynx]

humans are the most dominant species of all time, why wouldn’t we want to be stronger, smarter and a longer lifespan?

[lethal moat]

Unfortunate but necessary, but we don’t know what it’s necessary for

[lethal moat]

Walk up to a hyper Rex and tell it that you’re the dominant species

[meager junco]

More that something forced their hand to do the things they do, good or bad, their intents are somewhat in the general idea of goodness

[alpine lynx]

We rule the whole earth tho*

[limber parrot]

may i introduce to you the tomahawk cruise missile

[alpine lynx]

also hyper wouldn’t work, neuro is way more better since they can understand us

[limber parrot]

hypers may be bullet proof but not "F-everything-in-this-general-area" proof

[lethal moat]

That’s a maybe

[meager junco]

Hypers could generally be easily killed off if no true big food source is around

[lethal moat]

Hyper is motivated by food, as long as there’s enough food, hyper is in charge

[limber parrot]

they most likely understand intention, but its up in the air wether they can actually comprehend complex human language

[lethal moat]

Neuros are cool

[meager junco]

Tisso reveal when

[lethal moat]

That being said, tisso having starfish abilities to regenerate limbs is cool

[lethal moat]

Neuro reveal when

[alpine lynx]

starfish becomes 2 tho, or am i wrong

[meager junco]

Matriarch reveal when

[limber parrot]

gonna be honest, tisso was the most interesting strain to me, because i like the whole predator-esque hunting style, which is also partially why i enjoy deino so much

[meager junco]

And tisso made matriarch

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah

[limber parrot]

did not know that

[meager junco]

She’s a byproduct of tisso research

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is sourced from tisso research, and in Tapwing’s lore there was also a teeny bit of hyper in there

[limber parrot]

someone definetly got fired for this one (im kidding theyre dead)

[meager junco]

Still think that’s true

[alpine lynx]

what is the purpose of using dominant dinosaur species for strains

its just spino, rex, giga, and others

[lethal moat]

Likely just things strong enough to handle the force of the strain without just passing away

[meager junco]

Also it’s all predators which has me believe it’s got something to do with predator instincts or reflexes

[limber parrot]

it wasnt particularly dominant, it just started out as only carnivores. we had the hyper omni as a concept and hyper carno technically isnt really at the top

[alpine lynx]

puert would be way more better

[lethal moat]

Dondi talked about this earlier, check new dev quotes

[lethal moat]

Pue isn’t coming to evrima anymore, replaced with various other sauropods

[meager junco]

Yeh I saw, supposedly there was a canon reason for not having them now it’s more just a gameplay reason

[lethal moat]

There’s not a reason they couldn’t exist

[limber parrot]

still desperate to know why its carnivores that wouldve been necessary even if its not canon anymore

[alpine lynx]

like if they are making strains for medicine and other things why, just why are you making atleast 4-5 species of each strain while all is same

[lethal moat]

It's possible strains were unfinished in trying to get to their end goal

[limber parrot]

if i wanted to i could join rumples DC call right now and annoy him until he tells me literally EVERYTHING lmao

[lethal moat]

Do it, no balls

[meager junco]

Probably something to do with the specific animals, Rex is the strongest, giga the most imposing, spino the biggest water apex, utah/omni being the best raptors, Carno being a bullet train

[alpine lynx]

will humans ever come back to the island again?

[lethal moat]

Yep

Gen 2 are coming back in game babyyyyy, you'll likely do the story in game

[alpine lynx]

maybe they are gonna create another strain type

or something more diffirent.

[lethal moat]

Doubt, since type-o was scrapped, but it's possible

[meager junco]

3 has been confirmed to be it, there was 4 but it was scratched

[limber parrot]

better question, why did they return

[lethal moat]

Recapture stuff most likely

[alpine lynx]

if they fail to?

[meager junco]

Retake the islands, all the information, possibly restart cause Ingen never learned

[lethal moat]

They're expendable

Probably

[alpine lynx]

colossus, mastermind and reaper still in the island right?

[lethal moat]

Who knows, maybe, I would say it's a high possibility though, and there might not just be one of each

[alpine lynx]

if they somehow release after the humans came to the island again

[lethal moat]

Might still be stuck in Tartarus, who knows

Or maybe the replicator undos their entombment, that might happen

[alpine lynx]

can hyper spino or another normal spino communicate?

since both is in the same speciement, one is just modified

[limber parrot]

theyre both spinos, i would imagine the smart spino would still know how to speak spino

[lethal moat]

Don't know, maybe

It's a possibility, and I like that idea

[limber parrot]

neuro spino bullying regular spino for being dumb lol

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of neuro being able to talk to everything to lure them in or to force other dinos into working for them

[limber parrot]

if it can communicate telepathically sure. otherwise its still gotta make noise

[lethal moat]

mhm

[limber parrot]

actually if something talks near you and you hear nothing its also going to give away what you are

[alpine lynx]

“hey, hey its me, the neuro spino in the woods, can you help me and kill that rex for me?”

[lethal moat]

Kill your friend as food for me or none of you will surivive

[limber parrot]

i mean i was more thinking about baiting stuff

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-jump-the-boys-amazon-prime-gif-26410807

[alpine lynx]

if im not wrong, neuros are pretty weak

[lethal moat]

Probably not

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

If they want to add a "weakness"
Their skin could be their "fatal flaw"

being that in most artwork depictions, canon or not, seems to be quite delicate

[lethal moat]

They're bigger than normal, I like the vampire theory thing where their skin is weak though, bleed to death easy

[limber parrot]

you poke a hole in them and water just starts flowing out

[alpine lynx]

imagine a neuro building armor to get projected from the bites

[lethal moat]

Iron man montage but dinosaur

[alpine lynx]

dinosaur arms wouldn’t let it happend to

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=65daf637&is=65c88137&hm=a3abcb068c29d33b8850d5bf36fbdb3442a05ed1d1cb20a90d174e354539021b&

[lethal moat]

Thanks

New thought

What if the replicator was able to mutate gen 1 to be similar in shape and stature to gen 2 in order to get close or something, but when you look at their face or look a little closer, the uncanny valley kicks in really badly because you allowed that thing to get close to you

[limber parrot]

can the replicator crap out gen2 clothing as well? otherwise it would seem rather difficult to convince someone for long enough

[lethal moat]

Loot it

From corpses

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/DJsZq3iMQo0
Not really "Isle Lore"

But Matthew, near the end of the video (at 21:30) summarises a lot of how modern horror games have been directing their lore.

Something nice to take insight in, as a definite thing going on in modern gaming

which, for me at least, I do hope Isle tries not to go down (at least no where in the close/relatively-far-but-still-close future) proper "all lore is externally found" pathway
Especially when Lore becomes a proper aspect that isn't just scavenged by us psychos, but becomes a genuine development framework within the game itself- and not just subtext for current aspects at the present moment.

[lethal moat]

Scavenger role in lorecord lol

[acoustic osprey]

it is, though, certainly fun seeing videos such as the Augustus video, all the trail cams, etc

I find, at this time for The Isle, these things are actually needed in getting people, at least relatively, excited for The Isle's up and coming larger basis of lore.
Relatively like what was trying to happen with Legacy- but, of course, it didn't work. Because Legacy died/recode happened.

I do hope Don, especially when Gen2s are more finalised and properly playable,
that he doesn't try sticking to a larger plethora of external content for the game's lore

IF anything external media should, when the time is appropriate, be way less of a backbone for the game.
if anything, it should be something akin to being easter eggs and smaller information that could be sought out after by die-hard fans

Relatively close to what we have at the present moment.
External media shouldn't truly solve "Why dinosaurs?"
Dondi, especially, shouldn't spoon-feed us these answers as well- which, he has done a good job these past years in avoiding. Which I'm certainly THANKFUL for.

despite how much insanity has been built up about it!

[lethal moat]

Maybe we'll find Errant 291 report in game, rather than exclusively out here is what you're saying?

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no, this is for the future of lore

we know we'll likely never know more of ERRANT-291
but it's the larger story of lore

this larger aspect
finding answers, especially ones that solve aspects of the game

should be contained within the game itself
and not through a major amount of 3rd party sources

[lethal moat]

Right, you're saying lore via environment and worldbuilding

[acoustic osprey]

as it should be, yeah

not all lore.
Of course.

but we should learn about a game and it's lore through it's medium

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Look at Lord of The Rings books.
The Silmarillion, truly, only exists to further explore the world around LOTR
But doesn't come in to answer the biggest parts of LOTR books

the trilogy, themselves, do it

sure, it's easier when your medium is written.
But, still, a video game has the ability to be multi-media without losing this aspect of being true to the medium

look at how legacy's main menu used it's satellite icon as a button to Olympus Transmitter's twitter account- albeit, this is less about helping providing better answers to lore, etc, more so about how a game can extend it's reach (whilst still being connected through the game and not relying on 3rd party aspects 100% of the time)

[tribal bobcat]

Morning islecord

[tribal bobcat]

Morning swagbear
How are you doing?
Good and you?
I am good!
What are your favorite carni?
Its the mighty Acrocanthosaurus, cool right?
Yeah it's cool, it's robust! Not fat
Exactly!

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion

[lethal moat]

Try https://discord.com/channels/401464048610312193/855527844670865438

[tribal bobcat]

Oh darn it! I am not in islecord.. What am doing!!!.. I am so FRICKING tired.. Sorry guys.. This is cringe

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-kenough-ken-ough-barbie-barbie-movie-2023-gif-16162652993176385621

[lethal moat]

New theory with almost no basis: Tissos being parasites
Explanation: I think them feeding off of blood and flesh grazing is cool because it might help them regulate body temperature because it's warm idk, but hypers kill things, and neuros defile them, so why can't tissos steal from/drain them? Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[knotty locust]

what if tissos were regular creatures that have their egoism turned up to 11

they get infected somehow and now theyre narcissistic

think of the creatures taking their time to torture their victim or they find joy in fear or something like that

edgelords

[lethal moat]

That’s how I currently see Neuros, we don’t know much about tissos, but that very well could apply

[ebon patrol]

Those are the good people in this world

[meager junco]

I pass by to drop this art

And now I disappear into the shadows

[lethal moat]

Every time I see a camera I get confused because of what Dondi said about the thing being relevant until it isn’t

[meager junco]

I really wonder if we’ll get some paintings like that soon over structures , or even better yet, let Gen 1s make tribal paintings on stuff ingame

[lethal moat]

Interior decorator Gen 1

[patent ginkgo]

Security cams are a cool motif, I hope those stay

[lethal moat]

I just want some straightforward answers

[patent ginkgo]

So do we all

[lethal moat]

Especially answers about the replicator and “The incident” that the island was lost

[meager junco]

And
WHY DINOSAURS

[lethal moat]

We can figure that out later, I want replicator stuff today, and I am extremely shortsighted

[glacial moon]

I just want to know more about the biotraces and what I assume are false employees.

[lethal moat]

I get the feeling Biotrace ties into the replicator quite a bit

You want an invite to our lore server as well?

[glacial moon]

I'm in there, that's the only reason I even know what the biotraces are. 🥲

I read the whole thing about errant something or other and it was really cool.

[lethal moat]

I don’t see you on the members list, I see you’re in the archive though

[glacial moon]

OH, I thought the archive was the one you were talking about.

[lethal moat]

There’s more

[glacial moon]

👀

[lethal moat]

You want an invite?

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-so-long-stink-town-simpsons-homer-simpson-burning-bridges-gif-21137696

[glacial moon]

Yes please.

[lethal moat]

Dondi, quick question, what ply of toilet paper does AE use standardly

[meager junco]

LOL rump really needs that dose of isle lore

[lethal moat]

I’m trying to see if AE cares at all about their employees, because single ply is honestly torture, I’d rather take my friends shirt and use that I’m going to be completely honest, this is the defining factor of wether or not AE can have a redemption arc

[hexed forge]

[hexed forge]

Does that mean that matriarch has a chance of being canceled?

[lethal moat]

The comment was in reference to the replicator camera motif, and anything has a chance of being canceled at any time

[hexed forge]

Oh alr

[meager junco]

I mean we know they want everyone to work with clean distilled water shipped or produced by AE

So that’s something to remember

[hexed forge]

What if its actually not clean?

[lethal moat]

Healthy employees and happy employees are very different, plus distilled water isn’t something you really want to drink

[meager junco]

Not after 20 years obviously

[hexed forge]

[meager junco]

True but you made it sound like that 1 ply toilet paper was pain so it could categorize as both?

[lethal moat]

I draw the line at 1 ply

[meager junco]

I’d have to see what 1 ply even is , gimme a min

Oh that stuff yeh that’s no fun

[lethal moat]

I wonder what AE’s damage control managed after the island fell, under the assumption that it wasn’t purposely abandoned

[hexed forge]

I sense something 2 days

[snow jasper]

if we get nothing in two days, its on you

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-gif-25749073

[strange shell]

we're getting a big lore drop in June

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/im-listening-do-tell-tell-me-more-kang-gif-22896191

[strange shell]

#isle-lore-theories message

soon™

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[pulsar belfry]

💀

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, he never gave the year!

[pulsar belfry]

Jk and so true king

[strange shell]

Every year I yearn for June lore drop
Only to be disappointed
And every year I lose some of my sanity

[acoustic osprey]

It's always fun

i presume supposed lore drop was the ERRANT-291 stuff
which was still pretty good

But, on the stuff of knowing what was binned or not.
Who knows! Besides the obvious stuff like PC lore and Magnas, at least

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-listening-do-tell-tell-me-more-kang-gif-22896191

[lethal moat]

Thanks

[icy onyx]

What is no access?

[lethal moat]

Might be Phase 1?

[icy onyx]

Oh true

[edgy pike]

Pain

[umbral patrol]

Oh no it’s Isaac the lameclaw

[lethal moat]

Burned at the stake

[umbral patrol]

[lethal moat]

Hear me out: Gen 1 with 6+ limbs

[meager junco]

Straight up skinny four arms from Ben 10

[limber parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/grievous-star-wars-less-is-more-self-destruct-light-saber-gif-16655151

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[hexed forge]

Did you get this idea from the new predator game you have been playing for too long

[lethal moat]

Nah, I was thinking about bugs, the predator game is just a tactical shooter

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-fbi-typing-fbiopenup-gif-26272031

[limber parrot]

A Yautja has 4 limbs, not 6

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/ralphwiggum-smart-simpsons-gif-5270199

[limber parrot]

have you ever watched any of the predator movies

[hexed forge]

Sadly no

[lethal moat]

Fix that

[hexed forge]

Why

[lethal moat]

It's fun

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[bronze zodiac]

So what do you think the possibility there will be a creture called typhon in lore

[lethal moat]

A second neurotenic matermind named Typhon might be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Typhon, the original strain

[hexed forge]

Typhon is the Greek meaning to a Greek term that is already in isle lore right? What is it I forgot.

[lethal moat]

Typhon is the "king of monsters" and we have yet to see him in isle lore

[hexed forge]

I swear I remember there being a term that means typhon, hold up ima try to find it..

[acoustic osprey]

Typhon doesn't exist as of yet

[hexed forge]

Damn, I was just going insane I guess.

[ionic sable]

Shut it.

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145482370703708233/1206991420716621894/Studio_Project.gif

[safe valve]

thanks

[acoustic osprey]

having fun with an alternative map, using my grid system.
You can probably see the inspiration

[lethal moat]

That's cool looking

[ionic sable]

Oh hell yeah.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-gif-24822871

I'm having fun with it honestly!
Don't really wanna use it for anything

might use it as a fun mock for the loreberg video

[lethal moat]

I kinda want Gen 1 to be able to do stuff like this

Might give us insight to either their psyche or possibly what the hell they’re doing with the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

crusify the weak

[lethal moat]

Where’s Fred?
I thought he was with Jim!
Where’s Jim?!?

[knotty locust]

the people inside them could be part of the buildings too, as in theyre aesthetic

rather than players or AI

[lethal moat]

They used to be players maybe

[knotty locust]

nah just make them static, like NPCs in Diablo, for example

where theyre in the world, but they arent actually interactable and more like part of the environment

then it would be spooky without having to go through the trouble of capturing a player and then forcing them to sit in a cage for like 3 hours

[lethal moat]

Capture player, submit them to a short animation, player dies but the wall decoration struggles for awhile

[nimble fractal]

I want to decorate my tribal base with 50 utahraptor skulls

• Me, 2018

[acoustic osprey]

lol

i honestly don't see why not

[nimble fractal]

I want to decorate my Gen1 sacrifice place with skulls of omniraptors

• me, 20xx

[nimble fractal]

Yes

[hardy sparrow]

hi z vika a wq kto?

[compact dragon]

Please only use english in this server.

[hardy sparrow]

server NA 3

[tulip bloom]

t2nd seasont

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 playstyle being "uber customizable" is an interesting concept that I hope they go for

[meager junco]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

Is he on vacation?

[meager junco]

Yeh he’s got his beach shorts on, decided to get away from the killing dinosaur monsters for a bit

[lethal moat]

Understandable, have a nice day

[patent ginkgo]

<@&933486433342222376>

[lethal moat]

Wrong channel, same with fan art

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/time-wasting-waiting-patiently-hour-glass-gif-14424240

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[hexed forge]

Burn

[hexed forge]

I technically have 7 more hours left since Isle follows PST

[acoustic osprey]

time

[snow jasper]

Time is relative

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-spongebob-you-weak-minded-gif-24832290

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-frank-castle-punisher-no-frank-castle-no-no-no-no-gif-24489266

[acoustic osprey]

test goof

however, can't wait for the dibble video!

it, at least dibble, seem really close

hoping for Dibble video first, of course 🤞

[acoustic osprey]

also. 🙂

[ionic sable]

Interesting.

[hexed forge]

We got the amarok stream

[scarlet verge]

Before I forget, the port is going in the SE

[patent ginkgo]

I’m guessing the island

But good to know

[scarlet verge]

I think he said it's going where the mudflats are and then they're connecting that water area to the lagoon

And that's why it's saltwater. But also, the devs need the lagoon saltwater for testing

Eventually they'll connect with just the monorail going over the water

At least that's the way I understood the way he said it

[lethal moat]

Giant crabs in game might be fun

[lethal moat]

I'm wondering if the giant crabs were replicated like the dinos or if they were just something out of AE's control

[meager junco]

Depends on how strong the chemicals that spilled are, if they completely changed the animals system, reproduction organs and such

[scarlet verge]

He never said what kind of crab. So it could be like horseshoe crabs that they made bigger and able to regenerate blood quicker so their blood could be harvested faster/more efficiently

[patent ginkgo]

They have proper pincers, so they aren’t horseshoe crabs

[meager junco]

Is there any common crab species in east Asia? Since we think it might be around there

[acoustic osprey]

loving the updated Perimeter building work 👍

[scarlet verge]

I didn't see that part, what was it?

[lethal moat]

Towards the eginning of the stream, the perimiter office complex has a few updates

[scarlet verge]

Oh nice, I wonder if it'll be in the next update to the live branch. I never got a chance to go in the perimeter before they closed it

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOOO

[acoustic osprey]

Seems like it might just be.
Seeing as the top half is physically blocked

no point adding that if you're not going to wait for the whole thing to be finished

but you can see stuff like chairs and plants in the reception area when he went there in Gateway as well

So, I say it's likely this is the "map changes" Filipe mentioned

[scarlet verge]

Oh I hope so. I’m going to jump on the horde test tonight and see if the done is open

[acoustic osprey]

i believe the map changes are for proper release of the hotfix

[scarlet verge]

Ah that would make sense. I thought they’d push the test version out to make sure nothing broke, but I guess code for structures probably wouldn’t have any interference with the code for mechanics

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1184681758231363636/1202852028393590794/Lore_Pathway.gif

[hushed nacelle]

server coming back whennn

[lethal moat]

Wrong channel

[hushed nacelle]

oh true

[lethal moat]

Although if you want lore, we can provide

[stone terrace]

What is the lore

General overview

[acoustic osprey]

do you want a paragraph?
Or would you want to read the lore brief doc- describes terms and aspects?

[stone terrace]

I just looked at the doc and it's a lot so pretty much I'm wondering why this dinosaur stuff is going on

What motive do humans have

[acoustic osprey]

the question of why dinosaurs is the biggest question we have, and is yet to be answered.
Sadly, all we know is that they are "unfortunate and necessary"

same deal with Gen1s and Gen2s as well- we don't know why.
But we can theorise some:

• Ego reason?
• Perfecting Humans?

[stone terrace]

Alright

[acoustic osprey]

so, painful. Sorry about that

[stone terrace]

Do we know if they were conducting research or smn

[acoustic osprey]

about the dinos/humans?

[stone terrace]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

We know there are several versions of the same dinosaurs in-lore
alongside the Gen1s (Tribals)

So there was likely a lot of research and development (RnD) done
This could be supported by the abstract map given to us, in the pinned messages, that shows site designations with RnD

[stone terrace]

Wdym several versions of the same dinosaurs

Like there's more than one dilo that exists?

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

best example of this would be Gallimimus
Which has, during the time of it's glance sheet, two current versions
One feathered and one not

[stone terrace]

Ohh ok

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[meager junco]

Return of something like this wouldn’t be too bad, just not the last type with the Dino companion

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind it just be scavenging stuff and you collectively get better loot over time from scavenging, as well as rewards for completing missions maybe

[meager junco]

Yeh I like the idea of Gen 2 adapting to the islands and using more natural resources as time goes by

[lethal moat]

“How do you know he’s been here so long? He looks like he just spawned in.”
“His flashlight is wrapped in electrical tape, he knows a thing or two because he’s seen a thing or two.”

[nimble fractal]

[meager junco]

Insert: “This is me 1 week on Gateway” meme

[lethal moat]

Hell yeah, after 1 month, it’s a corpse in various stages of decomposition

Watch Gen 2 have come sort of incredibly weird internal stuff going on, like its lungs and stomach are swapped and doubled or something

[tribal bobcat]

My bad isle video releases soon..

[lethal moat]

Epic

[tribal bobcat]

And I talk.. 💀 Lets say english isn't my strenght..

[lethal moat]

I’m sure it’ll be fine

[tribal bobcat]

I messed up when recording.. Cause i didn't record with obs.. So the resulution isn't the best.. But as far i know it looks best on phone 🤔

But thanks for having faith in me

[strange shell]

space marine anatomy

[tribal bobcat]

DIBBBBBBBBBBBBLE!! LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[lethal moat]

I wonder where AE researchers draw their lines, because experimenting on volunteers for the benefiting humainity is very differenting than experimenting on creatures of questionable intelligence/sentience that you created, mainly in reference to gen 1 (and 2), though potentially in reference to neuros or others

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 as orcs, dinos as Tyranids

[acoustic osprey]

the better question is, it seems
how much is too much

there at least, seems to be some cultist ideals coming off from Apollo/AE
especially with knowing Dinos are "unfortunate but necessary"

I imagine AE aren't afraid to do things in the name of science for things

[hexed forge]

On the stream, didnt don say that gen 1 in evrima is nothing like the orcs iirc?

[meager junco]

Think it’s a war hammer reference lol

[foggy mulch]

is there like a pinned message i can go to that summarizes the most welcomed theory or sum?

[fallow harbor]

check pins

[lethal moat]

Not orcs anymore

[maiden sundial]

They look like this now

[hexed forge]

I know

[lethal moat]

[tulip bloom]

baiting

[lethal moat]

?

https://tenor.com/view/bait-troll-take-that-this-is-bait-fish-gif-17567465

[nimble fractal]

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-snow-interview-microphone-mic-gif-25816123

[loud fractal]

What about the master version?

Master baiting

[lethal moat]

[loud fractal]

I can’t send a gif of that

[maiden sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/(internal-screaming%5D-comics-book-human-manga-gif-1916419632752189692

[narrow furnace]

From this I am getting jurassic world 3 vibes... the one with the albino raptors >:)

[lethal moat]

That’s outdated stuff from legacy, dinosaur taming isn’t planned to our knowledge anymore

[narrow furnace]

Aaah would be cool tho, even if it is mecha/cyborg.... butr they wont have guns...taht be too OP

[lethal moat]

You seen robo quetz in the quetzocoatlas concept art?

[narrow furnace]

Think so? Does he have a hole in this beak?

[lethal moat]

With a camera in the hole yeah

[narrow furnace]

danggg yeah that would be nice

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085920940774404138/1091669883802099832/Quetzalcoatlus.png?ex=65e2fece&is=65d089ce&hm=5b4462bf767e142cd2e2040310b93d7c08df042afed797d1e204e281b8c8b4d2&

[narrow furnace]

the closest to shooting weapons would be tranqs or poison darts or something... to capture contain ...

[lethal moat]

Nope, we have guns and bullets with tranqs as a possibility

[narrow furnace]

For humans yeah...im talking about their dino toyz :))

[lethal moat]

OH, yeah, I see them using them more as drones for the robot dinos

[narrow furnace]

Indeed, but they have defensive capibilities

Such as tracking darts, poiosn, tranq, bleed, net gun etc

obv claws and teeth

[lethal moat]

Robo quetz is the only one we know of, it can fly away, and it’s the largest thing in it’s typical location, I feel like that is the deterrent, while also being able to blend in from a distance

[narrow furnace]

Yeah, sounds great tho!

Lots of stuff that could happend and be implimented

Like I have hundreds of ideas to implement robots and stuff like that

[acoustic osprey]

it can fly away
maybe

still yet to hear more on the aspect of Drone Quetz

[lethal moat]

Right, but it can presumably fly

[acoustic osprey]

either it stays true to Tapwing's original idea for it
or Don has his own way, but loves the design

[narrow furnace]

such as needing the 3 keycards to access the robots...
like Green - small - medium
Yellow - medium - large
Red - large - ???

[acoustic osprey]

it's likely the keycards represent a tiered-level access system

[narrow furnace]

I think so too yeah

[lethal moat]

We know of different levels of clearance, so that could line up

[narrow furnace]

forgot the real colors but yeah

[acoustic osprey]

as showcased in the Augustus video (about access clearance)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147161198408781864/1172940923181748234/image-32.png?ex=65e3585c&is=65d0e35c&hm=18257dfdd2c8ad7b6ece64e4da92716da5eb7eda7eac1e5794258c36e5bbab71&

[lethal moat]

You seem to know your stuff, you want an invite to our lore server?

[narrow furnace]

Imagine you have a base dino exo skeleton right... as the structure.. then you need to find parts all over the map and bring them back to the armory/engineering bay or whatever and you can upgrade different stuff...Like you need 10 scrap for sharper teeth, this can cause bleeding or upgrade it entirely, and you need 50 scraps for more armor... etc

[lethal moat]

That sounds like fun

[narrow furnace]

So that you dont just have an OP drone that goes and kills everything like Indom

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/upgrades-robots-gif-21291099

[narrow furnace]

Me likey xD

[lethal moat]

Let Gen 2 gameplay be extremely punishing, it’s alright when the benefits are so high

[narrow furnace]

xD, I mean humans made dinos...why not make robots, cyborgs, hybrids, experiment X and whatnot

you know what I mean xD Make it interesting

[lethal moat]

Strains and “genetic abominations” going to be fun

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what AE wants

[narrow furnace]

True true

That is very true, like I said I have so many ideas man, I list them a few times already and got a few good responses but I cant find those messages anymore 😦

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480573471948821/1173173235597197363/Neuro_Spino.gif?ex=6562fdb7&is=655088b7&hm=80fb679a714555687d61311e125ea77476090c97560ee811c0512c880383e75d&

[narrow furnace]

They make deer and pigs and chicken strains xD All hell will break lose... but they offer all 3 diets

[lethal moat]

Hyper compy

[narrow furnace]

The nightmare come to life

[lethal moat]

Matriarch my beloved ❤️

[narrow furnace]

They make a dino that steals attributes from stuff it kills like this:

Experiment R ... which is a raptor hybrid thing...

It eats a Stego, baby - adult = Godzilla plates on back and tail
It eats Deino = Super croc raptor
It eats a Rex = Indom-thingy etc

[lethal moat]

Sounds kind of like the matriarch

[narrow furnace]

xD

Whats that?

[lethal moat]

Confirmed creature that we know very little about and have unofficial concept art of, it evolves as it grows

[narrow furnace]

0.0 Me want it

🥵

[lethal moat]

Want the unofficial artworks?

[narrow furnace]

Just this creature in general

In the game
art
you name it

[lethal moat]

Same, we know it’s related to the tisso strain, but it’s not much more than that

[narrow furnace]

Eat.Grow.Evolve

E.G.E

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/improvise-adapt-overcome-bear-grylls-gif-10468556

[narrow furnace]

This matriach.. I can kinda see like a "quest" system..

Like kill a compy
Grow/evolve
Kill a raptor and 2 pigs
Grow/Evolve

and then it gets more difficult

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is a fun concept

[narrow furnace]

Sounds awesome

Also, some people are heavily against like hybrids and stuff...but then again... The Isle was never just a dino survival game...

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[narrow furnace]

Luckily there will be official and unofficial servers

[acoustic osprey]

hybrids are just strains
but without purpose

[lethal moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1198113650024656937/vJuLlbrg.gif

[narrow furnace]

True, but I like the idea, its fun and exciting

[acoustic osprey]

the creation of completely new creatures, at least, showcases what one might achieve with making a hybrid

but it's an interesting idea

[narrow furnace]

Indeed, I mean The Isle can go for years and years

Bringing new life
Land, Sky, Sea
Research
Tasks
Vehicles

[lethal moat]

[narrow furnace]

So much to be added and explore, its great 🙂

[lethal moat]

So much potential, like these guys

[narrow furnace]

Facts!

[lethal moat]

Replicator will be fun to learn about

[narrow furnace]

Server population gonna be in the hundreds xD

200 players easily

[lethal moat]

Full release isle will be unrecognizable from legacy I think

[narrow furnace]

I hope so

[steel summit]

wahoo

[narrow furnace]

I love the direction its going in

[lethal moat]

If they decide to up the server count

[narrow furnace]

Well I think they will, cause imagine having 100 dinos, 40 humans 40 gens 20 Hybrids or whatver

xD

Wonder what restrictions there will be tho

[lethal moat]

That would be ideal, but it’s a matter of wether or not servers can handle it

[steel summit]

20 hybrids = 20 troo

maybe

perhaps

[lethal moat]

And Omni

[narrow furnace]

I guess yeah

[steel summit]

yeah

[slow relic]

wait theres one with eyes where in the world di you find it

[patent ginkgo]

Those are in the same devblog as the other recent gen 1 concept art

[slow relic]

ah

[lethal moat]

Nice pfp, but yeah, what Jolly said, devblogs and lore drops are some of our biggest sources of information

[thin vine]

it used to be phase 3

:(

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-lion-king-mufasa-forget-dont-forget-gif-16698250

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-kratos-here-we-go-again-gif-23029631

[acoustic osprey]

no

[knotty jolt]

So you know the scene with the compies and the crib in the original JP novel....

[languid crow]

phase 3 got the cama art

[lethal moat]

That’s not lore and it’s also the first thing we’ve gotten in months

[hexed forge]

Yes

[knotty jolt]

Wonder if there will be more explicit scenes mentioned in the lore, just to see how creative dondi can be lol

[lethal moat]

I hope so

[acoustic osprey]

honestly, if Don can replicate ERRANT-291 with it's mystery
but up the explicit-feel, to the extent of Dennis' death in JP
it'd be even crazier

however, no pressure on Don though of course.
That's a book made a writer who has been doing this sort of stuff for years- not making video games

but how Don did ERRANT-291 was great.
Small, neat and mysterious

[lethal moat]

Just: Something escaped but what it did and what it is is almost entirely censored with tiny hints

[acoustic osprey]

maybe a bit more than this though

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

[meager junco]

All I gotta say, bring this boi to life

[elder fjord]

Ew

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-so-you-have-chosen-death-chosen-death-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15767548

[narrow furnace]

😍

[frank star]

Such a beautiful specimen

[hexed flax]

This is nightmare fuel

[lethal moat]

Bird/reptile noise dinosaurs > large mammal noise dinosaurs

[maiden sundial]

AE FACILITY FOR HUNTING

[maiden sundial]

SOUND THE LORE ALARM

Æ hunting facility

[lethal moat]

Not having everything in one place makes sense, especially since we know AE has multiple islands, that and more specialized facilities works better than generic facility having to deal with many different things at once

@acoustic osprey Updated the lore doc for the stream up to this point

[strange shell]

Yeah that's the pitched down animal sounds
The author is quite looked down upon in here

It's not really a study

Or maybe it is, from a sound designer's perspective
Not from a scientist's

[lethal moat]

Alright new theory that alters quite a bit about previous gateway and replicator related theories, 3 2 1 go

Due to what Dondi said in stream about the factions not all existing on the island at once, I decided to take that as thus: AE has subdivided different assets/projects to different islands. It makes sense, it make containment easier per island and it makes more sense to have specialized equipment/people working on specialized things in a place where they can do that most efficiently, so people working on humanoid strains/gen 1/gen 2 might be on one island, while people working on dinosaurs and dinosaur strains might be on another island. This would change a lot of our thoughts about replicator interacting with gen 1 and dinosaurs and whatnot, as well as reinforce another fact: we have yet to see any traces of gen 1, nor any idea of where some might be on gateway, which reinforces this theory by potentially displaying the separation of dinosaurs and gen 1, with gateway being the dinosaur centered facility, this theory is largely subject to alterations on my part, but the base is this: Different islands for different experiences in game, gen 2 vs dinosaurs, Gen 2 vs gen 1, etc

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[meager junco]

So in theory, since we know gateway is the gateway to Tartarus, we can assume the things that broke fences on gateway itself, are probably the containment assets of Tartarus like strains or possibly the Trinity

[patent ginkgo]

Compartmentalization of information given to employees and other personnel can also be achieved more easily via this

[lethal moat]

Yep

[patent ginkgo]

Yes, I feel that Tartarus is going to have a significant presence on gateway, more so than we realized

[lethal moat]

I would agree, although it depends on if strain research was independent or if it was a subcategory beneath all the assets

[patent ginkgo]

This also brings the idea that maybe the dinosaurs are, in part, a layer of protection keeping Tartarus secret

[meager junco]

That’s actually a good point

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps as well, Tartarus was the initial place of the dinosaur assets, though I doubt it

[lethal moat]

So yeah, that’s my current theory because it lines up with what we know and doesn’t conflict with anything we do I don’t think

[meager junco]

Yeh with a name like Tartarus, probably more to it than dinosaurs containment facility

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message Also thought I would bring this up alongside that theory since it changes a few thoughts

[meager junco]

Oh yeh

Good point, if Gen 1 was only on 1 island, those painting can’t be canon on others

[lethal moat]

Right, so that would mean we might be getting to the “it isn’t” part of what Dondi said, or it could just be getting moved over to a different island

[patent ginkgo]

Also, thoughts on some of these being islands?

For instance, I could see botany being an island

[meager junco]

10+ islands?

[patent ginkgo]

Jace gonna get paid real well

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/connor-mcgregor-raining-money-make-it-rain-money-gif-9294449

[lethal moat]

I was about to dispute, but having lodging on a second island away from everything else is way safer than having people fall asleep with dilos around

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah lol

The entries scare me though

[lethal moat]

I’m definitely open to that possibility

[meager junco]

I mean if gateway doesn’t get a “worker village” than we can probably assume that they slept somewhere else

[patent ginkgo]

Mhm

[meager junco]

This just makes the airport theory even more plausible as well , carry large amounts of staff back to another island that’s quite far away

[patent ginkgo]

That’s a lot of pollution

[lethal moat]

Boats are better 💪🛥️

[patent ginkgo]

All in the name of saving the world from climate change I guess?

[meager junco]

Hermes airwayyyyys

[lethal moat]

If it does actually end up being that many islands, the scale is significantly larger than I originally thought, but it does allow the different islands to research different things more efficiently on the same animals, and allows for different rosters per island, so it might work well if that’s actually how it’s done

[meager junco]

Yeh even if it’s 5 islands, that makes everything else I’ve thought about feel so small lol

I thought 3 max

[lethal moat]

Same tbh, although some confirmation would make me happy

[patent ginkgo]

Where it says removed from cohabitation, I wonder if that means transported to a separate island?

[lethal moat]

Maybe, but more finished fences could also be another explanation

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah that too

[nimble fractal]

I mean
Different factions is a lore excuse for server settings being able to turn off strains/humans/humanoinds g1/any other dino

Nothing else

[patent ginkgo]

I don’t think it’s that shallow

[lethal moat]

Means we probably won’t see a three way fight between an Omni a gen 1 and gen 2 if I’m right

[lethal moat]

Has a lot of impact on theories going forward (if I’m right, which is a pretty big if)

[meager junco]

I wonder if this means strains will be exclusive to an island, most likely wherever they’re created

[lethal moat]

I considered that as well

[meager junco]

Or if it’s something that runs deeper than that

[lethal moat]

I’m going to wait for more info before really leaning into the theory, but I’ll offer alternatives if the theory changes things as we go forward

[meager junco]

Yeh I wouldn’t be surprised its a universal thing as well either tbh, just so it’s not a “oh you want to be a strain? Well you gotta be on X island”

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[nimble fractal]

I'll stay by my explanation

[patent ginkgo]

I’ll be mulling over this for days until I come up with a massive working theory and vomit it in here

[lethal moat]

Same tbh lol

[acoustic osprey]

eh, it's a bit messy

at least in a gameplay point of view
such ideas has to be communicated to the player

so they don't spend hours upon hours growing "X" dinosaur on the wrong map

just to realise they can't even get "X" reward (the strain)

[meager junco]

Yeh that’s why I’m saying I’m not surprised if it’ll be something for all Islands

[acoustic osprey]

either you have it explicitly given that "X" dino can only get "Y" strain in "Z" map
but it's a bit complicated then. Do you want strains, them to be obtained, to be easily pronounced to the player? Or does Don want it more "lore-like", where the achievement of getting strains isn't something one will actually realise or know

[meager junco]

I still kinda wanna believe what I said that one time might be true about strains, how they’re kind of like a form of cancer in how they’re in all the dinosaurs genes but just isn’t active until the right moment happens

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose it depends on how Don wants to orchestrate the idea of getting strains.

Whether or not he wants them to be announced as obtainable- hidden and mysterious + plus some grind
or announced and known, but you'll have to, still, take your time and grind a lot

[acoustic osprey]

mmm, I do wonder.
But I don't think it'll be going in that direction

but we'll have to see

[meager junco]

Yeh me neither I just find it a cool way for them to be implemented in the lore

Basically the replicator inserts a strain in every “strain compatible dinosaur” and when the time comes, AE or maybe the replicator itself activates said strain

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

#isle-lore-theories message does make me ponder whether or not we'll get herbi strains as well with such

what stops them (whomever they, doing/making strains, are) from making herbi strains?

I do wonder, though, how changing the hormones of a herbivorous creature could allow the possibility to digest meat?

or just retcon the fact into that Hypers change a creatures metabolism and digestion entirely

[lethal moat]

I mean, herbivores can (and do) eat meat opportunistically

[acoustic osprey]

modern herbivorous mammals, do note though

[lethal moat]

True

[acoustic osprey]

not sure on whether herbi dinos could
No idea.

[acoustic osprey]

but, it would make sense if Hypers could do this

it's a bit stingy.
But, it still makes sense

if Tissos can allow a dino to regrow limbs and body parts

i don't think altering the diet of a creature is that farfetched

especially since it exists in PCE

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say

the only thing I find confusing, due to lack of better and more broader info, is the wording of "enter their habitat"

I presume it's just rough colloquial slang, it's not a definite "their"
more so "the galli area in X area/perimeter"

but I do wonder if the wording is more direct and figurative

[patent ginkgo]

I thought it just referred to the area that gallimimus are in at the time

[acoustic osprey]

possibly
but the wording is fun

[maiden sundial]

I think its more that they were separated from the older generation of gallimimus

[acoustic osprey]

i believe you're referring to the bottom paragraphs of the galli doc

I'm just referring to the first general paragraph end

[crystal cairn]

are tribals going to possibly work with some species of dinosaurs? or is it every faction vs each other?

I feel like I don’t hear a lot about tribals

mostly the gen 1, 2 and 3 atm(?)

[lethal moat]

Gen 3 doesn't exist

[crystal cairn]

okay so 1 is the scary ones, 2 is the mercs?

[lethal moat]

We believe it's every faction for itself, and might even be some factions never encounter each other based on recent info

[lethal moat]

mhm

[crystal cairn]

I imagine tribals will hunt dino’s for materials if anything

[lethal moat]

Here's the thing

[crystal cairn]

scales/bones

[acoustic osprey]

just don't forget, not technically mercs

[lethal moat]

gen 1 may not interact with dinosaurs if the most recent theory is correct

[acoustic osprey]

Gen1s may just likely act like Avatars (blue people), to some extent

but maybe a bit less civilised

[crystal cairn]

ohh so then what are the tribals?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

That's legacy, they were replaced by gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

Gen1s are more tribal than Gen2s being Mercs though

we know there is a range of "Gen1s" though
some being more functionally active in the brain, some not.
etc

[lethal moat]

We have yet to see any trace of gen 1 and dinos interacting, nor any trace of gen 1 on gateway

[crystal cairn]

okay I understand I think

so that image with all the gen 1 faces and body types shows their “range”?

[lethal moat]

It shows two possibilities, but I would say there are likely more

[strange shell]

Gen1 vegetable niche ?

[acoustic osprey]

woah!

[acoustic osprey]

i say, likely, customisation possibilities

[lethal moat]

mhm

[crystal cairn]

ohhh okay okay

[acoustic osprey]

less so "body types"
at least for now

[lethal moat]

Centipede gen 1 spooky

[acoustic osprey]

we know there are likely a few different bodies though

knowing a certain type will be more affected with winds than other gen1s for climbing

[strange shell]

how many hairstyles ?

[crystal cairn]

no hair

[lethal moat]

Or that some are unable to climb

[strange shell]

that's a mistake

[acoustic osprey]

possibly

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/87ec55ed732cdfef9121d7278ffeed8a

Having another nice little relooking at the great Augustus video

many things to appreciate, honestly.

Do want to highlight though.

the difference in "OLYMPUS" vs "Tartarus" in this mini paragraph @ 3:04

it is, possibly, that "OLYMPUS" or "OLYMPUS relocation" or "OLYMPUS relocation and entombment" (aka. OLYMPUS [action]) is, less like Tartarus- a location- and more so perhaps a system of sorts?
Moving something that may be of interest to executives/higher-ups (or higher-ups flagging such)? OLYMPUS [insert action]!

unlike Tartarus, which is just a location.

this semi-excludes Olympus Central Control/Olympus CC/OCC
rather that OLYMPUS and Olympus are both the same but also different.

Anything related to "higher-ups" go under the category "OLYMPUS"
Anything in a "higher-ups" area is under "Olympus" and/or Olympus is an individual place for Apollo

Albeit, still unsure if Olympus = Olympus CC

but heck, something to think about.
Possibly to look out for in the diablo video

BUT something I do wonder

I know it's late so Don won't answer it. So it's something I might ask in the future or wait for Don to comment on in the future, if at all

is how canon are the videos themselves? This excludes the worded information given
but more so the CCTV footage shown

we know H4 doesn't exist.
So clearly, it's hard to really understand what's going on within the video itself- either H4 doesn't exist and only the rough fences were placed there for Seiza to make the video on

in truth, this is minor nitpicking
so I mean with no bad intent or anything. It's a sadistic way of entertainment, I know, but the human mind does it again. And I really enjoy this video

https://gyazo.com/0ba38c46dee003736417ddab7cfc59ba
but

the alcohol cans/barrels are using the broken model

won't comment on the concrete barrier
as you don't really need a whole lot of 'em anyways; no highways exist here

but it makes me wonder.
On purpose? Or not? (barrels)

Something glossed over and not really important.
Or that Augustus' incident is a lot more modern than we may think of it

that the Augustus video, itself, is actually an automated video log connected externally from another island (more than likely a safe and relatively unaffected by the "incident" island)

at least, the MCAM footage doesn't seem to be done by a person.
As if controlled by an AI or automated tracking program

not referring to the "yellow-ish detection boxes"

but more so the movement of the tracking pans and tilts of the camera

https://gyazo.com/e2af424d1bd2fd399fdba7c3e3ccaf09

especially with this bottom section

which plays literally 2/3 frames

"Returning to default position"

oh but, if this is "in the future", why does it still use an old (1994-1999) bios?

depending on how the system is kept intact
due to this being an external connection
it's more than likely that the computers are, relatively, not destroyed and not updated to any new Apollo BIOS

Seeing as the computer is connected externally through "OLYMPUS"

(noting OLYMPUS and not Olympus)

but heck, it's a bit of a wacky theory
COULD be a reason why Augustus is called Augustus and not a greek name like Sebastos or Alexander

i believe Don said his name was a relatively quick decision
whether or not because he liked it or because it has lore implications is unclear

but, who knows

https://gyazo.com/a077a7ef1574363db62c14ab2ff44b91
but H4 seems pretty empty

and a bit overgrown

so that's why I think it could be either:

• The CCTV part is not canon BUT the context within/information is canon

or

• It's a glossed-over aspect, the CCTV part doesn't matter. It's not really lore or not.
  - especially due to as I don't believe Jace and Vis want to do a "Gateway but not destroyed" version. Especially this early on in Gateway's release

or

• The CCTV part IS CANON IMPLYING that this is likely a time-skip, a reason to define why Augustus is named after a Greek name.
  - Via the fact that H4 is overgrown
  - The CCTV itself is automated but also live-feed
  - therefore the USER who connects externally is likely not on Gateway but on another island (possibly an island called Olympus?)

[acoustic osprey]

it is worth noting*
most of these images from this are from separate facilities, not H4

but the implication of them being used as an stand-in still works to highlight H4's plant over-growness

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/ecfc5297d253a776c630cbf4bc5ebd7a
sorry meant this part

but both "returning to default position" and "returning to Monitoring Camera" work together

however, is it possible that "USER" just pressed a button to return to the default position? Yes. sure

still doesn't get rid of the fact that USER is externally connected to the computer/system

however
how close is "USER" to the system? Who knows
how far/external? Who knows

we might get better information/clues with the diablo video

that'll be my little over-analysis over for the time being now

[lethal moat]

The islands could have been purposely abandoned

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-trapped-trap-funny-villain-gif-4559766

to be fair, I'd wager a lot less that AE just "abandoned" their islands

You don't just leave your very expensive RnD-aspects
without force

[lethal moat]

Left to mature on its own might be more accurate

[acoustic osprey]

sounds a bit anti-climatic

makes sense, to some degree.
But you're still leaving aspects that cost money

[hexed forge]

I pick the third option.

The timeskip part may make sense somewhat.

[acoustic osprey]

especially since a lot of things are destroyed
Why not, at least, make these things more temporary? I.e. not using cement and building BIG buildings like Perimeter

[lethal moat]

Still need to recapture the island, but the time alone could have been used for the data gathering

[acoustic osprey]

could've been, no doubt about it.
It's what I possibly believe for the third option I talked about prior

but I don't believe it's "direct data gathering", where AE purposely left; more so because they had to physically leave -> they can only gather data externally now

because with their trail cams, monitoring systems,
large fences, etc.

I don't believe AE would've had a hard time gathering information about their assets whilst on Gateway and the other islands

[acoustic osprey]

just need answers to the question!!

but, I do wonder whether or not it was on purpose
could just, likely, be over-analysing it

who knows

[hexed forge]

Insert dondi calling us nerds because we overthink everything

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-ned-stark-gif-1768200873290333872

[lethal moat]

I’m really digging into alternatives to popular theories recently lol

Like the one about the isle actually being a dinosaur game, that one makes people uncomfy because they can’t disprove it

But yeah, today’s thoughts are about what we can’t disprove rather than what we try to prove

[lethal moat]

Alright, so we can’t rule out the idea that either:
A) The island(s) being abandoned was a part of AE’s intentions
B) AE managed to twist them losing control of the island(s) to their benefit
C) AE was never not sending gen 2 to the island(s) in an attempt to regain control

[acoustic osprey]

never not

[lethal moat]

Never not

And, if AE wasn’t always sending gen 2 to the island, why would they start when they did.

[acoustic osprey]

does not make sense!!

do you mean "AE was sending Gen2 to the ..."

[lethal moat]

Double negative makes a positive

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, which means you don't need "never not"

[lethal moat]

Never not = always

[lethal moat]

But it’s funny

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ketchup-cowboy-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squirting-ketchup-condiment-attack-gif-27130539

[crystal cairn]

who are the fabled “lore masters” dondi referenced last stream

[acoustic osprey]

did Don refer to lore in the last stream?

[crystal cairn]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

are you remembering this or is this somewhere in a clip/video?

[crystal cairn]

vaguely, he mentioned the lore masters

[acoustic osprey]

ah, damn

[crystal cairn]

he said he’s given the “lore masters” some information, and he said they are not who you think they are

[lethal moat]

That’s a good question, want to start a witch hunt with me?

[crystal cairn]

no. hmm let me think what else he said hold on

I thought you would have made mention of it rumple since you were also in the stream

lightclaw was probably eeping

[acoustic osprey]

aye, i'd beest sleeping at that time

[lethal moat]

Probably, but the stream was during class, so I must have missed some things

[crystal cairn]

but it for me wondering who these loremasters were, are they devs? friends? islecordians?

[acoustic osprey]

without context, no idea.
We know Don pinged Rumple a while back

but, i don't know if that's obvious to "stream goers" or not

[crystal cairn]

he made it seem as if he either gave them information to a) “run it by them see their thoughts” or b) “drip feeding the masses”

again it was very quick and vague this is only my interpretation

[lethal moat]

I’m sure we can find them, we usually do

[acoustic osprey]

no idea, if it's the first
possibly either he has people working for him for story/lore? Or he was just referring to some community members

I do wonder if he might be referring to older community members

[acoustic osprey]

anything else said about it?

[crystal cairn]

that was all I can recall

[acoustic osprey]

ah bummers

[crystal cairn]

just found it interesting because I’d never heard him use that term

[acoustic osprey]

neither lol

[crystal cairn]

what did he ping him about?

[acoustic osprey]

if he's referring to the few nerds like us
they maybe? But I wouldn't call us masters- we're just insane people

[lethal moat]

He used it once awhile ago in a devblog

[crystal cairn]

he said “who aren’t who you think they are”

like I would consider lightclaw a loremaster

[lethal moat]

It might have been November or December devblog when he used the term

[crystal cairn]

time to hunt it down

[acoustic osprey]

mmm, sounds cool

[lethal moat]

Hacker makes a lot of lore related content, we could try interrogating him

[crystal cairn]

I think he was watching the stream too, @ionic sable

do you remember what dondi said about the lore masters a little more clearly from yesterday? (pretty sure I got the jist of it but just to be sure)

trying to remember what he was looking at on the map when he said it, if it was relevant or not

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-that-guy-spiderman-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spiderverse-kingpin-gif-20437897

[ionic sable]

Sorry what are ya'll talking about?

[lethal moat]

We want information

[crystal cairn]

in fact I think hacker recorded the stream

[acoustic osprey]

Hacker, if you can. Do you have the clip of this section

[lethal moat]

Hacker, how much experience do you have with water boarding?

[acoustic osprey]

we are ever curious, of course

[ionic sable]

Uh

DMs

[lethal moat]

Hacker, out of curiosity? Would you consider yourself a “lore master”?

[ionic sable]

I would consider myself pretty knowledgeable and fascinated, making my own theories and ideas in the backgrounds or through DMs, but not really in here.

So no, not a lore master, just a lore lurker.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

Checks out

[neon wolf]

@lethal moat Lets not use gifs like that please.

[patent ginkgo]

uh oh

[lethal moat]

Ah, ok, apologies

[neon wolf]

no worries

[lethal moat]

So whatever AE hopes to accomplish by retaking the island island is going to have to be worth the thousands of Gen 2 that die or just make those Gen 2 negligible collateral damage

I’m leaning towards dependent immortality via replicator

[hexed forge]

Is it going to be a stormtropper style invasion or more stealth tactics and in small groups

[lethal moat]

Since you’ll be able to attack other gen 2, I feel it will be individuals and small groups mostly

[hexed forge]

With the new fences being added soon, and more to come. I hope we will get a general idea of these "Sectors"

[lethal moat]

If we get the dibble video, it’ll likely be better

[hexed forge]

I am worried that the grid in the video is not what we think it is

[acoustic osprey]

as in?

oh, like not a stereotypical "grid grid" map

[hexed forge]

What if its just a heatmap..... or just highlighted areas of X activities by dibble (since the video is centered around dibble)

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, Don referred to it as a grid map. No?

when shown my concept version of the grid map

[hexed forge]

Indeed

[acoustic osprey]

it'll likely have highlight diablo
but probably some sort of exterior shot of the grid before "zooming in" (or whatever equivalent)

[meager junco]

Yeh im thinking a sort of satellite image of the island and then like you say Isaac zooming in on example grid square F 10

That could be a waterhole for all Ik lol

[acoustic osprey]

or it'll be some sort of old rustic 90s simple island line artwork of gateway

https://tenor.com/view/death-star-star-wars-gif-14630351

[lethal moat]

Satellite zoom would be great because we could see location

[acoustic osprey]

(which, in of itself, is pretty cool)

[meager junco]

Oooo I like that

Just reshape the Center to AE

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[meager junco]

Also Isaac I thought about something

You said there were old base names that resembled what we have as base names now?

[acoustic osprey]

just D10

A15 doesn't exist, at least to what we know of

[meager junco]

What if that base is or bases are on another island with a different grid system

[hexed forge]

Maybe doesnt exist... yet..

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[acoustic osprey]

maybe, but Don was referring to K15 as well
on Gateway

[meager junco]

True I meant just the ones we haven’t seen yet

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[meager junco]

Cause I’m sure not everything happened on gateway, im sure the other islands had collapses of their own, if Gen 1 was never on gateway presumably, than most likely the Tartarus “things” made the catastrophic events there

[lethal moat]

Part of the issue is, and major map changes would alter the map on the dibble video, so it would either need to wait until general island shape is finalized, or just be willing to have the island change to past records and accept it as something that happens

[meager junco]

Also kinda hinted by the broken hyper fence lol

[hexed forge]

Guys I think I know the release date of the dibble video that makes sense..

[acoustic osprey]

fences* from the don stream

[meager junco]

Yeh Augustus has baffled us enough lol

[lethal moat]

[hexed forge]

April 1st

IT MAKES SENSE!

[meager junco]

There was more than one broken hyper fence on the stream?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[meager junco]

Retro Dino

[hexed forge]

April 1st is one of the "Holidays??" that isle acknowledges

Its not a holiday but you get the point alright

[lethal moat]

We might just have to accept that any current lore is subject to mild alteration in the future and just have to suspend our overanalyzation for the sake of allowing gateway to advance

[meager junco]

Then yeh I think it’s safe to say that whatever caused the collapse on gateway was most likely “strain/monstrosity” related

[hexed forge]

It is canon until it isnt!!! We can still theorize even tho it might change. And if it changes, we cry. But we move on

Did what I say even make sense? I HAVE NO IDEA

[meager junco]

Gateway to Tartarus is still not something to forget

[lethal moat]

Try and stop me from crying

[hexed forge]

A panzer tank exploded today

cry

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[hexed forge]

I hope a new map starts being worked on in 2025

This whole year might be dedicated to finalize gateway, and next year its work on a new map. (While also making some minor changes to gateway too ig)

[meager junco]

I think gateway will take a bit more than this year to finalize tbh with all the underground stuff coming

[lethal moat]

Undergrounds stuff sounds neat

[hexed forge]

Stop ruining my hopes and dreams

Alr, new map in development in late 2025. IM CALLING IT!

[meager junco]

I want a well done gateway

[lethal moat]

Hopefully we get a little more tunnel when the next map updates roll out

[meager junco]

I wonder if this “Dino hunting facility” is under gateway

[lethal moat]

We’ve already got like what, 11 or 12 bases on the surface that we don’t exactly know what each is fore

[hexed forge]

Or on another map where they tested gen 1s.

The other "Varients?" of gen 1

[meager junco]

So just after some research, if it’s a facility, Artemis would maybe be in the name or the name itself? If it’s not just “Dino Game Lab” or something like that

[acoustic osprey]

honestly, would be cool
being Apollo's sister

[meager junco]

Really now?

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[meager junco]

Hmm, then yeh I find that fitting

[acoustic osprey]

goddess of the hunt!

[meager junco]

Yeh I looked up Greek god of hunt and got her so I figured that’s what it would most likely be named if it’s named after Greek gods like the other facilities are

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

I'd be surprised if it wasn't linked with Artemis

[meager junco]

Let me look at the errant page again

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=65e629f1&is=65d3b4f1&hm=fcef509acc843377c8d46a43b43d7970df0d9b5082ce45aad692d1d39b5521d2&

[meager junco]

I wanna see if Artemis might fit somewhere 😂

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png?ex=65e035c1&is=65cdc0c1&hm=d7df7bc23d38a8c3446b1c55eca8b539665659ce549ef06de6226cd42b162802&

[meager junco]

Oh I meant the map

[lethal moat]

Sounds like it could work

[meager junco]

Hmm

Maybe K? If it’s on gateway that is

[acoustic osprey]

hmmm

[lethal moat]

F is between lodging and observation platform, so it could be that

[meager junco]

Artemis entry perhaps?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[ionic sable]

Hmmm, I see lore theories has taken its rightful place above isle discussion.

At long last, it is time for the lore obsessed to rise again!

Unless it's just discord mobile being discord mobile.

[scarlet verge]

Nope, it's that way on the pc too

[lethal moat]

Mines still normal on my phone

[lethal moat]

Hear me out for a second

If crabs got big.. why not...

[patent ginkgo]

Animal in dress

[acoustic osprey]

must've been an admin on accident, not like it anymore!!

big fish?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bobbit-worm-gif-13204354

[patent ginkgo]

But yeah those guys

I could definitely see being a major threat and a cool opportunity

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat look at the doc lol

[lethal moat]

Ight

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

also, the USER on Augustus had Stage 5 clearance

yeah?

[lethal moat]

I'd have to check

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm, ok

[quartz marsh]

i think it would

[hexed forge]

Would be interesting

[hexed forge]

That msg is... long ago..

6 years ago

[quartz marsh]

and?

[hexed forge]

Fair point

[quartz marsh]

he had a question and i answered

and he hasnt talked in this server since 2018

[hexed forge]

Damn

[quartz marsh]

but he is still in the server

i wonder what hes gonna think when he sees

[patent ginkgo]

lol

[fallow harbor]

wonder if don is lurking in here?

[patent ginkgo]

He should answer more lore questions. Why? Cause.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bnZ6i.gif

[patent ginkgo]

Oh

[fallow harbor]

hahaha

[patent ginkgo]

Can I ask a lore question

[acoustic osprey]

which should definitely mean you should read my overly long and over-analytical and slightly flawed Augustus Video theory/mess of insanity

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/kaVx6vlq5vj.gif

[patent ginkgo]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
it starts from here
beware, I don't think I make sense till I summarise at the bottom

[acoustic osprey]

ask away Jolly!!

[patent ginkgo]

I would like to know, have the dinos and such fulfilled whatever purpose AE had for them? Will they?

Been thinking about that

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm, I'd say that's an interesting question

[patent ginkgo]

Would certainly have an impact on our understanding of why dinosaurs, though I don’t think it’d give it fully away

[acoustic osprey]

do all dinos have the same purpose?
At least 'roughly'

we know, at least, not all creations (Gen1s vs Dinos, for example) wouldn't have the same proper upfront goal

but, I do wonder, if it may even vary between dino to dino

[acoustic osprey]

that's true.
Baby steps

[patent ginkgo]

Good point, as troo seems to be a bit of a “could we even do this?” experiment

[pale marsh]

I honestly just don't think there is an answer for "why dinos" that couldn't be applied to literally anything else as well

[patent ginkgo]

And I would assume Omni is in a similar spot

[acoustic osprey]

that's just a hard thing with Dinos.
It can't, at least not upfront, be easily explained why

the only aspect I can see with such is, mainly, being ego-based

[patent ginkgo]

At least we know the why dinos seems to be related somehow to botany

[pale marsh]

Are the end of the day
It's probably arbitrary
Which is fine

[acoustic osprey]

80s and 90s?
Bringing back dinos?

Damn!

[patent ginkgo]

I do wonder if it’s dinos to simulate a certain type of ecosystem or smth

[acoustic osprey]

yeah.
They could create new creatures out of anything, but basing off pre-existing creatures is definitely a good standpoint at least

[patent ginkgo]

But this theory seems to have some holes in it

[acoustic osprey]

depends on if the creatures are within the fences or out of the fences

[patent ginkgo]

Good point