isle-lore-theories

[meager junco]

I love the crouch she gave it too

That’s what all tissos should do

[lethal moat]

Stealth focused

[meager junco]

Have bigger arms than their irl counterparts for stealthier approach

[lethal moat]

And speed

[meager junco]

True more mobility , tisso Carno would be a bullet train then

[lethal moat]

Carno just loses the arms all together lol

[meager junco]

Yeh I wasn’t sure in the art if it lost them or if it was one of those spikes

[lethal moat]

Aerodynamic

[meager junco]

Put a flame on it, it’ll go faster

[lethal moat]

Add a racing stripe

[meager junco]

Zooooom

[lethal moat]

lol

[knotty locust]

QUADRUPEDAL

CLIMBER

CARCHARODONTOSAURUS

[lethal moat]

The lore server is onto you Dondi, we figured it out

[snow jasper]

how long this guy been typing for

goddamn

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-3808391752351698948

[meager junco]

Let him cook

[lethal moat]

We figured that all the strains have some sort of large weakness, we think neuros are weak to either drying out, dehydrating, or bright light, since their skin looks very moist, so we think neuros would be weak to bright light, and drying out, so we think neuros would only feasibly be able to be out and about during the night, and be hiding underground in tunnels the rest of the time, using EMP to stay away from lights, and in short, neuros would be weak to either light or severe dehydration, which is a nice compliment to Hyper’s hunger drain, and all of this is true because we believe it’s true and it’s cool

[snow jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-good-up-thumb-up-succes-gif-15223434

[meager junco]

Was gonna post the we got him gif but I probably can’t here lol

[lethal moat]

Damn

[meager junco]

But definitely will post this

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-charliekelly-kelly-always-sunny-gif-13283537

[acoustic osprey]

erm, Tissos

[lethal moat]

We haven’t gotten that far yet, we don’t know enough, so hush, let me win this once 🙃

[snow jasper]

The sheer might of a Teutonic Shield

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/201170186647109632/400166922475274240/unknown.png?ex=65a61b7d&is=6593a67d&hm=3fa94a4b1ec48c371c57b756eebe8ce74b80097665630dbaa14a09c138e459e8&

[sour rivet]

The amount of times you said light

[lethal moat]

Light

[kindred bobcat]

it looks a bit like a allo

[meager junco]

I mean it’s probably around allos size

Since tisso made Dino’s smaller than their normal counterparts

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[pale marsh]

Semi aquatic "fisher" carcharodontosaurus

What if tissos weakness is that their bodys are effectively cancerous by nature
And it'll eventually go out of control killing them

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[pale marsh]

Which would effectively just be a timer game wise
But eh

[lethal moat]

Tissos regenerate lost limbs and organs, so I think their main issue would be weight or what you said

[pale marsh]

Or risk of over heating? As rapid cellular growth at those speeds would generate alot of heat

[lethal moat]

We don’t know enough about tissos as of right now sadly

[pale marsh]

Tisso tales too much DMG and heals too much it runs risk of baking itself alive

Or cop out answer and they all starve to death

[lethal moat]

Not sure I like that one

[pale marsh]

Cu that'd work
Tisso needs to obtain biomass to heal
And nueros being big brained
Qouls need to fuel the most energy intensive part of the body

The Brian
Not as fun
But
It makes sense

[meager junco]

I was also thinking, what if tisso doesn’t necessarily make the animal smaller, just makes them more mobile meaning apexs need to lose that weight

But for things like tisso Carno, it wouldn’t be needed to lose the weight

[pale marsh]

It's hard to really think of what tissos could do
We know too little and their not quite as intuitive as Nuero and hyper

[meager junco]

Yeh rump and I came up with a good theory for neuro weakness but even that could be completely wrong

[pale marsh]

I still like the idea of them being able to contort their body's hide behind even the smallest objects and such

By literally breaking, and healing their bodies

I wanna hear a tisso quetz bones snap and flesh tear as it unfolds itself from behind a light post

[meager junco]

There’s a horror movie of a creature like that (really it’s an alien that posses a host and turns them into spiky zombie like things) but I can see them being literal abominations, neck breaking to just look behind itself instead of just turning it’s head

[lethal moat]

The plethora of Greek monsters makes me intrigued to see what designations Apollo applies, Chimera, Typhon, Gorgon, Scytha, Charybidas, Minotaur
Oh the opportunity

[acoustic osprey]

Well
Deimos is an international term

No wait
That's GOLEM derivative

Let me correct myself, Deimos is another Apollo term

Albeit, Ceti. Unsure if that's AE dubbing the international term for a personalised AE category

Or CETI/Ceti is another international term

Being of the Greek "Ketos"

Ceti is the plural form, latinised

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

To note
The C would be pronounced as a k (hard "c" sound) As in classical latin phonetics "k"s would be written through such

Example the latinised version of Ketos turns C as per its ancient latinisation routes under Latin itself

Or Ceaser
Which is pronounced The same as the german kaiser

[strange shell]

I like the idea of tissos being cancerous or overheating
There would just need to be a way for them to extend their borrowed time, like with hypers and eating lots of food to offset their hunger

[acoustic osprey]

Over time?

[strange shell]

wdym over time ?

[acoustic osprey]

Basically akin to Hypers
Lost over time? Or it dies immediately

[strange shell]

I assume all strains would be doomed to die in a short time, but that time can be extended up to a certain point
For hypers, it's simple, since they starve, they can constantly eat to survive longer
If tissos have cancer, I don't know what exactly they could do to get a few extra hours of lifespan

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly
I'd much prefer rather Hyper have a slow tick for it's food drain

Where it goes to a point where you no longer can literally eat any food source to survive

[strange shell]

I was thinking hypers food drain goes gradually faster and faster

So the amount of time you can survive is soft-capped by strating to lose hunger faster than you can eat

[acoustic osprey]

yes, basically this

but it does not stop

Hypers shouldn't be staying for any prolonged time

[strange shell]

of course not

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[sour rivet]

Hyper players when there isn’t anyone on the server

[fallow harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-kratos-lurking-god-of-war-ovohartwell-twerking-gif-27063506

kratos

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[meager junco]

So Joseph made these, they’re not 100% accurate but they help us give an idea of how exactly big these creatures are

[lethal moat]

I do think that all the strains are partially unfinished and all have glaring flaws to compliment their insane power

[meager junco]

Mhm, hyper kinda balances itself out with the starving but if that light sensitivity theory isn’t right for neuro, idk what the hell could even kill one

[lethal moat]

It could be catastrophic bleed, where it’s bleed resistance is just the worst, since it’s skin is thin and veiny

Is GUTS going to serve as a labyrinth?

[meager junco]

I thought about that but it feels like a very cheap weakness imo

[dull warren]

I’m most certainly late to this but would like input
Was playing Dryo and found this in the human structures near Highlands.

The name looks like Loren Ibseum? And the clock is set at 20:15
Curious on whether these are clues to something

I’m relatively new to Isle Discord communities but have been following the game a while

[scarlet verge]

Yeah it says Lorem Ipsem, which is pretty much just holder text in video games until later down the road when it gets replaced with real text. You'll see it in various areas, but definitely good find and looking for the lore

[lethal moat]

It’s sadly filler text

[scarlet verge]

As for the 20:15, all clocks are set to that time, and it's a thought that it might be an reference to when the isle was first released

[dull warren]

Ahhh man. Thought it was a character in AE or something lol

[lethal moat]

Sadly not, however, can I interest you in the isle lore server, since you seem to want to contribute?

[meager junco]

Easter egg of the games first release year,2015

[scarlet verge]

I almost said easter egg, but I wasn't sure if that was the correct term lol

[meager junco]

It’s what I used when I found it so just use that hehe

[lethal moat]

It’s probably an Easter egg, hard to be sure without confirmation though

[scarlet verge]

Haha it's probably from you where I first learned about it. Would be interesing to see if that changes over different releases

[meager junco]

Yeh true I should say it’s not been confirmed but almost everyone agrees that it’s most likely that

[dull warren]

Well I just got here after so long so not atm lol. Thank you though:)

[lethal moat]

Fair, have fun!

[scarlet verge]

Check out the pinned documents though if you're curious about lore. Isaac and Rumple have been working on it

[patent ginkgo]

Neuro weakness is migraines

[lethal moat]

That’s Jolly Weakness

[patent ginkgo]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it's a bit of a shame
basically all documents have this

but, what's interesting, is that the garbage bin has papers on it.
But the text is so low-res that it can't be read. I do wonder what it says

[acoustic osprey]

the guts of Gateway

I don't presume true maze-like
but something akin to such, sure

[lethal moat]

Multiple layers deep making a wrong turn could be fatal

[acoustic osprey]

at least in the nature of being orderly
like a spiders web

[lethal moat]

How deep down does it go is another question

[acoustic osprey]

down to tartarus

[lethal moat]

How far down is Tartarus? I’m hoping it does end up going below sea level

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-xena-warrior-princess-kevin-tod-smith-gif-19631529

turns out, Tartarus is just the name of the guy in tech

[lethal moat]

Heard he’s a cool dude, fixed my iPhone when I couldn’t connect to the WiFi and wrote down the password for me

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, he also wiped out my entire friend's family from Apollo Core!!
(because they no longer work with Apollo LLC! 😊 )

[lethal moat]

Wiped out or wiped out?

[acoustic osprey]

and due to legal reasons, displaced his family to small Apollo owned island!
(due to what they know, which is perfectly fine! Because they all signed a very extreme NDA, like a majority of government/military linked organisations)

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[lethal moat]

What happened to the people “relocated to Tartarus” when the island fell? They starve/dehydrate to death?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[lethal moat]

Eaten by Gen 1, released by the replicator? So many questions

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't see replicator releasing if it want's sacrifices

but it depends on the morality and ethics of the replicator

[lethal moat]

How automated is Tartarus as well

We need more replicator stuff pls dondi

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

Replicator and Tartarus

[lethal moat]

We make an awful lot of assumptions about the island without knowing the nature of the creator of the populace

[acoustic osprey]

more than lot
millions of presumptions

[lethal moat]

I do really like the idea of both AE and the replicator having good justifications for what they’ve done

[acoustic osprey]

we know a very minimal extent of some things
know only the names of others
and know of NOTHING of everything else

literally. Nothing.

[acoustic osprey]

a gradient of "There is nothing no right side nor wrong side to things"

there is just a blur of "what you believe in"

[lethal moat]

TOMB
100% not the Treasury of Organic Materials and Biotrace, but it’s fun to think about

[acoustic osprey]

lol

besides that, like GUTS, it's nickname is very much a meta-synonym for what it is

||GUTS being the guts of gateway, TOMB being a tomb for Apollo(AE)/Gateway||

[lethal moat]

I believe in the glory of the matriarch. 🫡

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-mr-waternoose-for-the-good-of-the-company-good-of-the-company-for-the-best-of-the-business-gif-22975410

[lethal moat]

Agreed, and we assume that entombment is in reference to the tomb, without any confirmation other than the names

[patent ginkgo]

Quota?

[acoustic osprey]

mmmmm

I'm placing my bet's it could likely be linked

[lethal moat]

I agree, but I’m just saying our connection is natural assumption

[acoustic osprey]

gotta make something outta something in this (lore) industry 💅

[lethal moat]

If the TOMB has actual genetic material, who’s to say it wasn’t ransacked by Gen 1 when the island fell, wasn’t it compared to the Library of Alexandria?

[acoustic osprey]

honestly, if the devs (dondi) wants to make more Greek ||I know Alexandria was Macedonian... but still 😊 || references.
THAT would be cool

[lethal moat]

Nothing left but broken vats with labels

It would fit with the parallels, and it would imply that Gen 1 was responsible for the fall of the island

The web of assumptions, hypothesis, and theories widens

[acoustic osprey]

OH, with vats, did you see my ping about the Vis image?

[lethal moat]

I did not, please gib

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1192806001905242253/image_17.png?ex=65aa6a28&is=6597f528&hm=173f3bbeebe6ff30126164f87bde98e2e507a9b265bcd7cb724e07cd4b950091&

#isle-discussion message

[lethal moat]

I’m sure it has a great personality

[acoustic osprey]

lol

I'm almost certain it's a vat

[lethal moat]

And squares means it could line a wall really efficiently

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

and more cost effective
more or less

[lethal moat]

Have you seen the Pixar movie Soul?

[acoustic osprey]

Love that movie

as a love music, being a pianist

[lethal moat]

You know the file storage area?

[acoustic osprey]

OHH THIS PLACE

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

reminds me of something in Star Wars The Clone Wars

[lethal moat]

That’s how I’m currently picturing the TOMB, but scaled down, you have 360 degree view of all the stored dinos

And 180 degrees in the vertical

Unless there’s also a crane system to easily move the larger vats

On a completely separate train of thought, I can see a Geiger Counter being something Gen 2 could get

[acoustic osprey]

oh?

I suppose it depends

If Apollo is more cold war linked, maybe?

[lethal moat]

Radioactive neuro goo warning

[acoustic osprey]

depends

[lethal moat]

Imagine walking through the tunnels, all the lights turn off, then all you hear is a tik tik tik tik bzzzzzzzzzzt from your backpack

[undone grail]

So i seen the document and in the abended lore section it said that primal carnage is no longer canon but in the hope trailer it shows a flash of the pheniox international logo this kinda off topic of what you guys may be talking about but i just thought of it. So does this mean dondi sort of plans on doing something with primal carnage just maybe????

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, both are no longer canon

[lethal moat]

No more primal carnage

[acoustic osprey]

Hope is so old now
that it has been pretty much invalidated

albeit, that's prior to Don wanting to revamp and redo Isle lore

[lethal moat]

Primal carnage is 100% gone due to past issues

[acoustic osprey]

Carnage comes goes home

[lethal moat]

But yeah, the TOMB being described as similar to the library of Alexandria, I am now dead set on Gen 1 being at least partially responsible for the island’s fall

[acoustic osprey]

Rump rump rump
it was JUST referred to similar to it!!

That's all we know!!!!

[lethal moat]

I will make hasty assumptions and become unreasonably attached to them and I cannot be stopped

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-pedro-pascal-crying-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-crying-upset-gif-25522687

[kindred bobcat]

Wait whats TOMB?

[meager junco]

We don’t know
Pressumbly it’s like the great library of Alexandria where a lot of information is kept, most likely the dinosaurs information and special assets like Augustus are “entombed” so it might be some sort of of cryogenic freezing facility? Maybe files on Dino DNA? We don’t know

[iron anchor]

tomb of matriarch beans

[lethal moat]

[iron anchor]

it’s plausible

if matriarch starts off as a unactivated organic pill (matriarch bean), and it starts evolving after you expose it to certain conditions, and there’s a storage device made for all these matriarch beans

it was about the beans all along

[pale marsh]

Matriarch bean soup

[lethal moat]

🫘

[meager junco]

I mean technically if matriarch is a byproduct of tisso. This means her first true form is in a vial 🧪 so matriarch was as small as bean once

[lethal moat]

🫵

[meager junco]

Matriarch stage 0 when?

[lethal moat]

🫙 Do you accept

[meager junco]

Yeh good enough I suppose, was hoping a tap art tho

[lethal moat]

We need more of all the things 🫴 Gib

[meager junco]

You heard the man don!!!(plz)

[wary falcon]

The game is in very bad condition and needs to be fixed urgently.

[meager junco]

This is the lore channel
#isle-discussion is where you want to be or #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[lethal moat]

[dusk pier]

yo why the server always restarting when i play?

this is not funt if i only get 10min of playing

[meager junco]

This is the lore channel
#isle-discussion is where you want to be or #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[dusk pier]

oops

[snow jasper]

Lore!

[patent ginkgo]

[lethal moat]

Perish

Anyway, what do we think the implications of Herrera being partially adapted to water are? Was it semi-aquatic before they replicated it for the climbing mutations?

[meager junco]

Maybe, was Herrera an actual sort of piscivore irl?

[lethal moat]

I need to look into it

[maiden sundial]

No not really. Herrera would be considered a leopard in the standard of their ecosystem.

Iirc the biggest theropod of their day.

[lethal moat]

Was it an early theropod? Like an ancestor of others?

[maiden sundial]

It was BASAL BASAL. Like "we don't know if it's a theropod or sauropod" basal.

[lethal moat]

Oh, so like a last common ancestor type old

Neat

[maiden sundial]

Mhm, about mid triassic

[lethal moat]

I can see Herrera being semi-aquatic before Augustus came along

[maiden sundial]

But anyway, I'd assume their semi aquatic behavior could stem from its prey items, jaguars and leopards are arboreal but can also swim decently well.

Ambushing from a tree into water to catch a beipi.

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[maiden sundial]

This could be favored from the mutations of Augustus to grant an advantage in areas where beipis may be rare despite the location having them. Like the swamp.

[lethal moat]

True

I like to think of the replicator just forcibly increasing natural selection, only replicating surviving traits in order to prune out the weak

[meager junco]

Yeh I remember now it was the first true big predator of the Jurassic era

[maiden sundial]

That is likely the case.

[maiden sundial]

Triassic*, and even then Herrera by the standards of the time weren't that big.

Pseudosuchians could get much bigger

[meager junco]

Yeh Triassic my bad I meant the first era of dinosaurs

[maiden sundial]

It's alright

[lethal moat]

I want

A singular cambrien era thing, even if it’s just in a tank

[maiden sundial]

An anomalocaris would be nice.

[meager junco]

Is it the only Triassic dinosaur we have in the roster?

[maiden sundial]

No, plateosaurus is also from the triassic

[meager junco]

Ahhh yes the long neck boi

[lethal moat]

Is plateo confirmed?

[maiden sundial]

Last I heard yea.

[lethal moat]

Nice

[maiden sundial]

Dunno if it's in limbo like raui

[meager junco]

I thought raui was confirmed to not come by a dev

“I don’t see it in the list” is what I remember them saying

[maiden sundial]

Yea, but I'm gonna put it in limbo considering a mod in the dondi stream said misinfo.

[lethal moat]

🙃

[meager junco]

Ah ok fair

I just think lore wise, it hard to make some of these things fit

[maiden sundial]

I mean not necessarily.

[meager junco]

I mean we don’t even know why dinosaurs have been chosen as experimenting tools, let alone some non-dinosaur creatures

Deino and Ptera are two examples

[lethal moat]

Why dinosaurs

[meager junco]

The question of all questions

[maiden sundial]

Why not?

[lethal moat]

I do think giant crustaceans is one of the steps to dinosaurs from agriculture

[meager junco]

I mean realistically why not? Because we have numbers of crazy predators and herbivores in our day and age they could have tested on(thinking they’re a billion dollar company) like sharks, great cats, bears, elephants, giraffes, the list goes on, it just goes back to why dinosaurs after

[toxic zinc]

Everything evolves into crabs

[maiden sundial]

Because those are all bound by laws of no torture

Dinosaurs are not on that list

[meager junco]

Replicating them could still be a possibility, and they seem to have some higher hand in the world than other companies do, at least that’s what it seems like

[lethal moat]

What if it was never about the dinosaurs, and it was about fine tuning the replicator?

[pale marsh]

remember, they techically arent dinosaurs, as i so loveling call them, they are meat machines, synthetic

[lethal moat]

You are a meat computer piloting a meat suit

[pale marsh]

[synthetic does not mean mechanical/inorganic]

[pale marsh]

erm, the brain is more water than meat, thank you very much

[lethal moat]

Slime vs sauce conversation

[pale marsh]

soup

broth perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

Nuh uh

[lethal moat]

Depends on how smart you are, denser brain juice

[patent ginkgo]

Kapok (Ceiba pentandra)
Brazilnut (Bertholletia excelsa)
Philodendron xanadu (Thaumatophyllum xanadu)
Philodendron (Thaumatophyllum sp.)
Monstera (Monstera deliciosa)
Dwarf Umbrella Tree (Schefflera arboricola)
Sago palm (Cycas revoluta)
Giant cane (Arundo donax)
European fan palm (Chamaerops humilis)
River Red Gum (Eucalyptus camaldulensis)
Quindio wax palm (Ceroxylon quindiuense)
Giant elephant ear (Colocasia gigantea)
Banana (Musa acuminata)
Cornstalk dracaena (Dracaena fragrans)
Ceratozamia (Ceratozamia robusta)
Common duckweed (Lemna minor)
Fragrant water lily (Nymphaea odorata)

Dropping this here, it’s what I’ve identified as map flora so far

[lethal moat]

Do you know what the giant lily pads we’ve seen in streams are?

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah those are Victoria boliviana

Also, #isle-discussion message

At the very least they’re in the genus Victoria

[lethal moat]

Nice

You’re the man Jolly, sorry for lighting you on fire earlier

[patent ginkgo]

Wah oh

[median cargo]

In EU1 croc cheat since this morning

[patent ginkgo]

Wrong channel, I’d suggest taking a look at the pinned comments in #evrima-eu

[fallow harbor]

insane lore theory 🔥

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Would be interesting

In greek mythos, depending on what you read
Kratos (Cratus) was an enforcer for Zeus
Akin to being a guard of sort, but more so heralding. Like Hermes

in which, stood in attendance of Zeus' throne

however, Kratos (and his brother) were, in their time, tasked with jobs such as the apprehension and imprisonment of Prometheus
Of whom, was a Titan, who was imprisoned in Tartarus

[lethal moat]

I am just now thinking about the possibility of automated security system AE put in other than electronic locks

[acoustic osprey]

in which, then, what could be interesting is the existence of a Kratos
either in Tartarus or Zeus Entry 😊

[lethal moat]

Getting tazered because you tried to touch the door without using the keyboard

[acoustic osprey]

keypad 😎

[meager junco]

Wait Kratos is an actual Greek mytho character???

Well I’ll be damned

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

he's no son of Zeus

just the personification of Strength

and has wings

[meager junco]

Still similar in the way that Kratos did wtv Zeus asked him to before turning on him

[acoustic osprey]

whether or not he's an actual "GOD" is up for debate
but

he's more god in his description than actual Greek Gods
as he is THE personification of "X" thing; Kratos being of Strength

unlike normal Greek Gods, who are Gods of things

[lethal moat]

An alternative: Just opening the containment unit before whoever is going in enters so that they get nommed

[meager junco]

That’s actually very interesting thanks Isaac

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[lethal moat]

Could it be another demigod to god situation?

[acoustic osprey]

not truly
think of it as Angels

angels aren't Gods truly
but aren't human

[maiden sundial]

He's the son of pallas and styx

[meager junco]

I haven’t played the first games of god of war, but isn’t Kratos given godhood and isn’t technically Zeus actual son like some other gods are?

[acoustic osprey]

one word to describe him and his brothers, and likeness, are daimon

[pale marsh]

God of war is not myth accurate

[maiden sundial]

Styx being the personification of the river styx

[acoustic osprey]

being more akin to their mothers' sake

[maiden sundial]

That's god of war. In the real myth Cratus is the son of Pallas and styx.

[meager junco]

His brother I remember him mentioning it in the newer games, idk how much is accurate but he was imprisoned by Zeus iirc

[acoustic osprey]

you could technically refer to them as Gods if you link their father being a Titan

[meager junco]

Ahh I see

[acoustic osprey]

but Greek "god" lineage doesn't work like normal hereditary aspects

[pale marsh]

Gow of kratos is like myth cratos in name only

[maiden sundial]

Also his brother in god of war is not actually cratus brother, the siblings of cratus are Nike, bia, and zeleus

[acoustic osprey]

Kratos didn't know of his father till it was revealed that it was Zeus, iirc

[meager junco]

Ahhh I see

[lethal moat]

Cratus security company TM

[acoustic osprey]

Cratus!!

[maiden sundial]

Thinking about a defense system of tartarus, what about the hecatoncheries

[lethal moat]

Oopysy

[maiden sundial]

It could be their surveillance

[acoustic osprey]

I'd imagine more of their liking being locked, not surveillance

[meager junco]

Could a Medusa reference be put as a defender?

Maybe the defence system is called medusa or something

[acoustic osprey]

would be cool to see the Judges; Rhadamanthys, Minôs, Aiakos

😊

[lethal moat]

Thanatos was a guardian of hades as well as a collector of souls? Or just the collector?

[maiden sundial]

He's the personification of death.

[pale marsh]

Thanatos is Greek grim reaper

Hades was the "warden" of hades

[acoustic osprey]

think of him as the idea of Death

you can run away from him, as per Sisyphus did, and put him in a bag

[maiden sundial]

But it arrives all the same.

[lethal moat]

I know, I’m trying to remember if ge also hunted down those that escaped/cheated death, which is what happened to Sisyphus iirc

[maiden sundial]

I think so. But probably not.

[pale marsh]

We need more iris rep! Messenger god before Hermes, and personification of rainbows💪

[acoustic osprey]

The Gods punished him for such.
he wouldn't've have been sent to tartarus if he didn't

[pale marsh]

I am totally not biased

[maiden sundial]

He still would've iirc.

[lethal moat]

I smell bias… though it would be cool to see like an iridescent mutation or something named after Iris

[maiden sundial]

Sysiphus was a tyrannical king last I heard.

[pale marsh]

Fun fact
Iris wasn't the one wirh iridescent wings
Hers were golden
Her sister (whos name I forgot) is the one with iridescent wings

[acoustic osprey]

Nah, he was fine

he tried to escape the underworld first

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-disappointed-mad-upset-gif-26051038

[pale marsh]

Arke

[lethal moat]

I just think an gently iridescent skin pattern (like rainbow boas) would be cool

[acoustic osprey]

(you can say the same for all gods, truly)

even Gaia was a bit wacky.
They all were

[strange shell]

Except Dionysus
The only true bro

[maiden sundial]

Hate to burst your bubble.

[acoustic osprey]

the only god I could truly party with

[maiden sundial]

Even dionysus got some skeletons

[strange shell]

Yeah but they deserved it

[lethal moat]

I’d party with the Maenads

[maiden sundial]

Only one wasn't

[pale marsh]

Dionysus, , , is an interesting one when u actually get down to the truth of his worship and history

[maiden sundial]

From a semi eldritch god of rebirth, wine, and death to party.

[acoustic osprey]

we love to know the cults of Dionysus

[lethal moat]

*raves of Dionysus

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[strange shell]

historically accurate

[pale marsh]

Party Dionysus is overrated

I'm not here to have fun
I'm here to drink till I meet god

[acoustic osprey]

it's just an average young adult party

it was pretty much less party and more <include sexual activities>

[pale marsh]

Naturally

[acoustic osprey]

Wine 👎

[lethal moat]

[maiden sundial]

Hades is more or less the most "ok" of the gods. Artemis being another in some aspects

[acoustic osprey]

and yet, pop culture disagrees sadly

[pale marsh]

Depends on how you interpret the myth of persophone

[lethal moat]

Persephone

[acoustic osprey]

this is true

[maiden sundial]

In the original myth zeus was the one who suggested and gave the ok.

[pale marsh]

Mostly like is meant to be the negative way
Greeks weren't exactly the best in terms of treatment of women

[acoustic osprey]

but, if you look at every other Olympians
Haides not that bad 👍 (in contrast)

[maiden sundial]

It was still messed up. But it's 90% on zeus on this one.

[lethal moat]

Hephaestus was mostly chill other than a few incidents, of which some may or may not have been justified

[strange shell]

I mean at least he can remember the face of his wife

[acoustic osprey]

no one truly had been back then, at least in classical western times

[pale marsh]

Doesn't matter what zues says, depending on interpretation
Hades still did nonconsensual to things to her

[lethal moat]

Y’all want to move the Hellenistic mythos talk to lore server so we don’t get in trouble?

[pale marsh]

No not really
Spartans were better, but hat doesn't say much

[maiden sundial]

Of course, by comparison he's a good boy.

[pale marsh]

No I mean, . . . I can't say it in this server

To THE LORE SERVER!

[maiden sundial]

He didn't do that in the myth.

[pale marsh]

Depends on interpretation

[maiden sundial]

Haven't heard that interpretation. Though I'm going off of the original myth we know of.

[acoustic osprey]

especially if you want to read of Apollodorus
the details are minimal, but alludes to such

[pale marsh]

You give the Greeks alot of credit

After all
Via Pandora they blame all evil in the world on women

[acoustic osprey]

excluding such that Prometheus started such

but can't get angry at a Titan 😊

besides putting him in Tartarus

[lethal moat]

Greeks did a lot of wrongs, but they were decently self aware of the flaws of humanity

[maiden sundial]

I know the stuff they've done. I'm just stating that by comparison to the other gods, hades is ok.

[acoustic osprey]

and eternally punishing him

[pale marsh]

True Prometheus isn't exactly in innocent in the matter

[acoustic osprey]

but it shows, truly, what definitely would be nice story telling within Isle
The Gods aren't perfect, not even close at times.
and now, suddenly, imagine such (or as close to in a sci-fi setting) power in the hands of humans now, with Apollo Engineering

and in Legacy lore, with many other companies, like Phoenix.

[lethal moat]

People in power having massive flaws and making mistakes: what could possibly go wrong :TI_benbongos:

[acoustic osprey]

truly you start to see the unfairness of the world and man's own rainbow-filled blend of identity

[acoustic osprey]

but, such is human nature.
Even today we live in this corruption

it is just, unlike the Gods, less prominent nor praised upon in common text

[pale marsh]

God don't you love the endless human capacity for greed and indifference to the blight of their fellow man

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-tf2-heavy-hevy-sandvich-gif-23754643

[lethal moat]

I’m going to bring this moment to rope it back to neither the replicator nor AE is “right” but both sides just stand for something they believe in

[lethal moat]

Doesn’t stand a chance against my indomitable human spirit

[acoustic osprey]

that is what I do hope is, at least, linked.
There is no good or bad side.
Unlike in Tolkien works or classical fairy tales

[strange shell]

I think the Replicator is right because I'm a Gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

more like GRRM's ASoIAF 😊

Good and bad is a blur of human experiences, human condition and the events that play before, during and after

[maiden sundial]

In layman's terms. It complicated

[pale marsh]

Im still coping that the replicator is simply being controlled by echidna and is not itself a proper character of it's own

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 and Gen 2 being an allusion to how humans are both good and monsters at the same time, exemplified in both playstyle and stories

[acoustic osprey]

i suppose it depends on what Replicator is

[strange shell]

Depends on wether you consider "Replicator" to be just the machine or the machine and the mind controlling it

[acoustic osprey]

we've never known of her body, her AI, her user interface. Nothing

[strange shell]

Like uh
A gundam, you know ?
The gundam itself isn't a master of its own actions
Yet it's the one being praised for its heroism

[pale marsh]

TRUE

I just find "heehoo ai gone rouge" to be a bit tiresome

[lethal moat]

We need more replicator stuff

[acoustic osprey]

wouldn't be surprised if Gen1s are, more or less, archaically less evil than humans themselves
just doing what either is of their bidding, or what is natural

[strange shell]

I really love the theory of there being an actual human mind, or a brain, inside the replicator
Like, it's actually a person

[lethal moat]

I like to think that AE is the one that messed up, not the replicator

[strange shell]

Like in that movie
Uh
What was its name already ? Transcendence ?

[pale marsh]

But I do like the idea of echidna and such fighting for it's right to exist

[strange shell]

Yeah this one

[strange shell]

The movie was a little bit boring but I think the basis of the story is awesome

[lethal moat]

Same, it’s self defense mistaken for savagery

[acoustic osprey]

i would still much more prefer this front if it was more ethically inclined

[sour rivet]

Is that pirate king jack sparrow

[acoustic osprey]

but doing such on a survival multiplayer video game? Eh

[pale marsh]

Hmm
Desire for freedom at any cost, no matter the cruelty

[strange shell]

Yes but he's going through depression

[acoustic osprey]

not so easy to do, in describing and asking for moral and ethical thought given through it's gameplay

[pale marsh]

And AE being a corporate entity l, simply wants control of it's assets

[sour rivet]

Sad jack sparrow but who wouldnt be after being divorced

[lethal moat]

Shouldn’t have created something that understands the concept of freedom and justice

[acoustic osprey]

play it on chaos theory

and the nature of the thinking (more conscious) mind

[sour rivet]

Should have restricted the Programm simply and or not give it self improving properties that can be done without consent of a third party

[acoustic osprey]

we have been asking for thousands of years
What's gonna stop a super intelligent AI!!

[strange shell]

I don't believe a program, no matter the complexity, could be sentient

[sour rivet]

(Im assuming that it developed sentient itself and wasnt given it)

[acoustic osprey]

that is the whole aspect of AI

[sour rivet]

RL or lore ?

[acoustic osprey]

it's sentience without the living aspect

I'm ignoring "Modern AI"
as modern AI isn't true nor real AI

[strange shell]

RL
Yeah in lore it could be... but I would be disappointed if that was the case, because I can't believe that

[lethal moat]

Eventually, it’ll get so smart that it can think on its own and make connections we haven’t made yet

[strange shell]

Like uh
Yeah I get an easier time believing in mutant giant lightning-casting dinosaurs than in sentient AI

[sour rivet]

I think DöndÖ Confirmed it though im unsure since he said some weird things i didnt understand

[lethal moat]

[sour rivet]

Something along the line „technology will be so advanced it might appear like magic or smh“

[strange shell]

He confirmed the replicator being sentient right ? Or did he confirm that she was just a motherboard ?

[pale marsh]

God what if echidna was am AE scientist that afflicted herself with the nuerotenic strain on purpose

[lethal moat]

Clarkes third law

[sour rivet]

Ah yes exactly

Supermans third law

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/prince-egypt-of-frogs-hop-jump-gif-14491962

[lethal moat]

New theory: the trinity resulted from trapped scientists desperate to find a way out, so they used the strains on themselves

[sour rivet]

Great plague of moses !

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, the possibility is very possible when you imagine Echdina with Legacy lore

the idea of neuro goo practically turning you into a Neuro, or some part of a Neuro Hive Mind

akin to venom symbiote in some marvel comics

[sour rivet]

Neuro poo

[lethal moat]

Touch the neuro goo, no balls

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbid-rabbids-go-rabbids-wiimote-funny-gif-21266291

[strange shell]

So one of them thought
"I will inject myself the tissoplastic strain so I could slip away from anyone's notice and kill whoever is tracking me"
One thought
"I could inject myself the neurotenic strain so I could take control of all the machines and turn my prison into my own kingdom"
And the last one thought
"I could inject myself the hyper strain and get jacked"

[lethal moat]

Always about the gains 💪

[sour rivet]

The last one just wanted anabolica

[acoustic osprey]

hyper gymbro

[lethal moat]

Wasn’t even a scientist, just a gym nut guard who thought it was steroids

[sour rivet]

Perhaps Sam Sulek is a hyper

[strange shell]

Or smarties

I could definitely mistake dangerous genetic material for smarties

[pale marsh]

Consider
Lead scientist in charge of creating gen1 becomes obsessed with them seeing them as her children, becomes disillusioned with and "joins" them as the Nuero mastermind

[sour rivet]

Booh bad theory how bout Alie-

Nah just kidding pls dont hurt me rump

[pale marsh]

How bout I feed you to an ant colony

[lethal moat]

YIS, display the human nature to become emotionally attached to things that aren’t good for us

[sour rivet]

That sounds illegal

[pale marsh]

Who's to say it's bad for her
I'd wager she doesn't regret a thing

[lethal moat]

🗡️

[sour rivet]

How bout anarchy. Why not just kill the whole world

[lethal moat]

True

[pale marsh]

Aside from being locked in Tartarus who's to say they aren't living their best life

[sour rivet]

Im sick and tired of people needing excuses to blow the planet up. Just do it !

[pale marsh]

Yah gotta have that moral conflict

Who's "right" and whos "wrong"

The answer is me btw
I'm always right

[lethal moat]

Very true, it depends on if our theories about neuros are correct whether or not life is worth

[lethal moat]

I love the opportunity to play with the idea of morality and ethics

[sour rivet]

Nah get that outta here, a hurricane doesnt debate if what its doing is right or wrong. Portray Natural disaster man made i say

[pale marsh]

Source
You don't know what the hurricane thinks

Have you asked? I don't think so

[sour rivet]

Well i actually did and it answered

[lethal moat]

Both? Both is good

[sour rivet]

Its answer was sheer destruction ! insert edgy linkin park music

[strange shell]

And the hurricane answered "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-ned-eddard-stark-gif-8425074

[sour rivet]

I do wonder how a discussion about ethics would go with a sentient being that doesnt have any emotions aka the rep

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[lethal moat]

We don’t know

[acoustic osprey]

we need more information on the sentience of Replicator, Echidna and others

[strange shell]

Hm
I'm pretty sure they simply wouldn't understand

[pale marsh]

I simply reject the idea of the replicator actually being sentient

[sour rivet]

I mean it could literally go like this: „NOOOO KILLING PEOPLE IS BAD names 1000 Points and arguments and what not. Ok. Cool. I dont care“

[lethal moat]

Average “stam bad, no alternatives offered” islecorder

[lethal moat]

I can see it going either way

[sour rivet]

Quite literally

[acoustic osprey]

it seemed, at least, in Legacy to be sentient of sorts

but, Legacy = Evrima?
Nuh uh

so, the possibilities still up

[sour rivet]

So dinosaurs arent cannon ?!

[strange shell]

Only Ben is

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[lethal moat]

Not dinosaurs

[pale marsh]

They aren't dinos technically :3

[sour rivet]

Ben 10 is always cannon

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/im-home-coming-gif-18001849

[sour rivet]

Says who

[acoustic osprey]

they are less dino than JP dinos

[pale marsh]

Pretty agreed upon by everyone here

[sour rivet]

I dont agree

[strange shell]

You don't have to

[pale marsh]

Meat machines as a call them
Synthetic organic life made only in the image of dinos

[lethal moat]

You think ae means alien engineering, I value your opinion very little

[sour rivet]

Logical fallacy and stuff !

[acoustic osprey]

even then, today's "Dinosaurs" aren't even considered, in pop, as what they are accurately

[strange shell]

Outside they're dinos
But inside they're people with strange fetishes and family-related trauma

[sour rivet]

Oh no

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-intergalactic-quality-gifs-funny-sweating-reaction-gif-26616287

[lethal moat]

Not EIPs I no likey

[sour rivet]

Bubullublubl thats a realm we shouldnt approach

[strange shell]

Not EIPs

[acoustic osprey]

yuh uh

[lethal moat]

[pale marsh]

ANYWAY

uh
Uhm

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhghgghgghgghggghg

Idk, I got nothing

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-baby-frog-froglet-cute-frog-gif-10887386237530532275

[lethal moat]

Strain plants

[patent ginkgo]

Plants!

[low scarab]

STRAIN PLANTS AND BOTANY LORE 🗣️‼️

[lethal moat]

🫴

[patent ginkgo]

There’s a disturbing lack of ferns on gateway

And seedless plants in general

[acoustic osprey]

wait for redwoods!!

[patent ginkgo]

Redwoods aren’t ferns

[lethal moat]

That’s what you think

[patent ginkgo]

But yeah that’d be the first conifer or fern we get

Also the water lilies are the most basal flowering plant we have on the map

[pale marsh]

We need prototaxites!!!

[patent ginkgo]

Yes

[edgy pike]

in the highlands and swamps would go hard

[shrewd bobcat]

Playable releases in 2024 predictions? Mine are Diablo Rex Trike and Maia maybe Kentro

[lethal moat]

Not lore, but I agree

[patent ginkgo]

Lore theories moment

[shrewd bobcat]

Oops! Wrong thread

[lethal moat]

lol

[patent ginkgo]

You should stay to look at lore!

[lethal moat]

Don’t leave

[meager junco]

Come back!

[lethal moat]

[tacit loom]

whats olympus and whats tartarus

[lethal moat]

Olympus is like a central command, Tartarus is like a prison, probably a creation/containment area

[tacit loom]

is gateway one of em

[lethal moat]

Tartarus and Olympus are likely both on gateway

[acoustic osprey]

we know that Gateway is the gateway to Tartarus
We, through presumption, have deduced that Tartarus is likely underneath Gateway

being that a lot of these names are quite literal (-esque) in The Isle
GUTS = guts of gateway
TOMB = The tomb of information
Gateway = A gateway for tartarus

The same can be presumed for Tartarus

However, with Olympus?
We're not sure of what is Olympus

As we're not truly aware of the difference of Olympus and Olympus Central Control (Olympus CC)

[tacit loom]

do legacy islands have any significance anymore

[acoustic osprey]

not anymore, no. Sadly

[lethal moat]

No

[acoustic osprey]

V3 might/could make a return
but Thenyaw is long gone

[lethal moat]

Lightclaw explains stuff much better than I do

[acoustic osprey]

Rump, I'm learning about rust

literal rust

[lethal moat]

Oxidation is fun

[tacit loom]

i fw oxidizing

[acoustic osprey]

i'm trying to calculate, via the amount of rust, how long time has passed for the perimeter sphere (forgot the technical name, forgive me)

acknowledging that Gateway is somewhat Tropical, so I'm giving rainfall medium
due to also being shadowed by Perimeter itself

[lethal moat]

Depends on the type and density of steel right?

[acoustic osprey]

typical steel for the time being

[lethal moat]

Hm

[acoustic osprey]

but the corrosion rate turns out to be roughly 25 to 50um
In which I'm sticking roughly from 40-50

[pale marsh]

I think this is when we close the computer and seek grass

[tacit loom]

tropical soil is more acidic it will rust faster

[acoustic osprey]

if there is any other alternatives, I will research
but for the time being, steel corrosion here we go

[lethal moat]

Any estimates on amount of time?

[acoustic osprey]

does this equate only to soil interaction with the soil? Or general moisture caused by climiate?

because the steel itself is elevated by cement pillars

[tacit loom]

soil interaction

thats why theres not jungle fossils

[acoustic osprey]

unsure of the alloy/metal that interacts with the ground itself, but it seems different and less eroded than the elevated steel

[acoustic osprey]

interesting, makes sense

thank you for the insight

[lethal moat]

Could be specifically made to not rust because it’s easier to do maintenance on exposed steel

[acoustic osprey]

could be anything truly. Unsure of such, presuming either better material or just the material used is just better protected

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

or, it being stairs, was "recently" maintained for safety reasons

[pale marsh]

Who's to say they don't have some fictional alloy aswell :p

[lethal moat]

Because we would be sad

[acoustic osprey]

lol

https://www.duluxprotectivecoatings.com.au/media/2111/dpcsaubr001-as2312-brochure-final-web.pdf

[pale marsh]

Aren't we already sad?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalfs-scrolls-gif-8673340

[lethal moat]

We would be more sadder

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Damn it

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, we don't even know what coating these lovely things have

[lethal moat]

Time to go do chemical tests on the walls of perimeter

[acoustic osprey]

unsure of what standards AE run off

seeing as we don't know where they're from?
Perhaps, as alluded to by other small lore stuff, they use some sort of EU standard

but, then again, if they can find a cheaper alternative on a tropical island that isn't controlled by the EU
why not?

easier on tax, etc

it's what cruise companies do with their ships, so why not AE

but! I doubt, to the extent of corrosion, they put hours over hours of worry into the specifics

[brazen cradle]

Let us nerf raptor even tho it's already easy to counter

[fossil nebula]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2016/mteYYm.gif

[lethal moat]

Keep in mind, certain metals are designed for them to rust over because that rust will prevent the lower layers from oxidizing, and it’s cheaper on maintenance, they do this a decent amount on certain bridges

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, but I'm going to presume

height of the 90s, Apollo Engineering
they won't, on average, while in a random (properly very cheap and tax-effective) island
won't use the most expensive mixes for metals to get some high quality alloys

a lot of money when the bar is low

[meager junco]

So scientifically speaking, what would be the smartest animal that AE has recreated?

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 probably

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna or Gen2s

the trinity being of humans, we have no idea on how churned their brains are.
So who knows

[meager junco]

I meant more in terms of the dinosaurs they’ve recreated

Ik troodons intelligence was always thought to be high but well, it’s state in palaeontology is iffy , plus troodon isn’t exactly a true dinosaur in isle lore neither

[lethal moat]

None of them are true dinosaurs, but if troodon gets mimicry I’d say that’s the smartest

[acoustic osprey]

none of the dinos are true dinos truly

[meager junco]

IK that’s what I mean

What do you think is different of them then they’re counterparts, raptors have always thought to be smarter but I wonder if AE took a step back in that department

[acoustic osprey]

but we can't really decide on what truly is more intelligent
for what we know, AE's dinosaurs are of the same kin- their genetic code built on some sort of basis.

I can't really see "X" dinosaur being more smarter than "Y" dinosaur unless the procedure or specifics done to "Y" or "X" being done differently

[lethal moat]

I want mimicry

[acoustic osprey]

or if The Replicator, somehow, would (if she is the definite machine used by AE to pop out and make the dinos) play the random card

[meager junco]

What’s that bird that mimics sounds(not a parrot) like a raven or a crow

[acoustic osprey]

which could be the case for Augustus
Where she might hide genetic code to allow the creatures to randomly mutate

albeit, the idea of mutations in-lore is quite interesting.
What causes this?

[lethal moat]

Most corvids

[meager junco]

For Augustus , it feels like a sort of “first sign” situation, the replicator was basically just testing with Augustus to see what would happen

[patent ginkgo]

Mockingbird

[acoustic osprey]

a mixture of accelerated growth as well as external aspects such as AE possibly doing RnD? The replicator doing it's OWN thing- whether that be at birth/creation (of the dinosaur) OR she can "fix/touch-up" creatures that are already alive

which seem to be a possible case with the "rewards" for Gen1s

[meager junco]

MAGPIES that’s their name

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stronger-smarter-better-gif-27330950

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe.
But it's referred to as an emergent anomalous report

in which, meant they did not expect for this to happen

the Incident Report part being it destroying CCTVs

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-why-shouldnt-i-lotr-bilbo-bilbo-why-shouldnt-i-why-shouldnt-i-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17096479

[meager junco]

That’s exactly what I mean, if the replicator did this without them noticing, she possibly could’ve had some sort of influence on the animal as well, seeing the first thing Augustus does when seen is attack cameras

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, I thought you said AE doing such. Ignore the retort then
but yes

[lethal moat]

I’m not saying we need more replicator stuff

But it would be very nice

[acoustic osprey]

🙂 🙂 🙂

[meager junco]

There’s definitely something about Augustus we haven’t been told

[acoustic osprey]

what I love

is that there is A LOT of things we haven't been told about all these new characters

albeit, it's mostly just 291 and Augustus which are these new characters

but still, even the older characters, almost nothing

[meager junco]

True, I’ve started to question even Shirley’s existence in the lore

[acoustic osprey]

did you see my lore suggestion in the lore server with Deelo, Shadow?

[meager junco]

No? Ping me with it

[acoustic osprey]

#1145482154109849701 message
start from here

i think it's relatively neat, in which I need to make a suggestion in general feedback

it's nothing crazy, something for the future of the game. Not truly needed, but the idea of it- would love

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

Ahhhh yessss

I remember something similar in the past being talked about

I’d also love that

[acoustic osprey]

I need to better sum it up

[lethal moat]

It was a long time ago, before my time, but I still like the idea

[acoustic osprey]

it definitely fits in with the whole interactive lore aspect of Legacy in the steam page

[dapper cedar]

all the unplayable dinosaurs are controlled by replicator

[acoustic osprey]

I think it wrote it there, but it reminds me of the original USER INQUIRY stream

[dapper cedar]

as in compy

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-17762993

[meager junco]

Hopefully the cameras have this flicker once in a while, kind of an anonymous signal trying to take over but we know what it is

[patent ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-just-edited-i-saw-what-you-just-deleted-walter-white-muslim-walter-white-memes-gif-23994973

[acoustic osprey]

[dapper cedar]

it was an accident

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

and, if it was done on YouTube, that means we don't miss things 😊
as if it was a twitch stream

[dapper cedar]

👁️

[acoustic osprey]

unless they just turn off VODs on YouTube for such

which would make me explode

[dapper cedar]

youtube is tasty if you eat it fr fr

[acoustic osprey]

i usually eat with it

[dapper cedar]

what if the dinosaur in the isle were created to be eaten by rich people because dinosaurs are cool food so i would eat dinosaurs and i would pay millions so apollo make money so they make dinosaurs for rich people to eat

[meager junco]

Let’s just all hope replicator isn’t a giant 3D printer looking thing

[lethal moat]

We already know the dinosaurs aren’t food, we asked already

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075728903848607815/1193225504896077914/image.png?ex=65abf0d9&is=65997bd9&hm=b9436392ba97a2abec1b140cda901e5293572f9f54e1a24bcca819ad015d514b&
here you go

[dapper cedar]

ok

[meager junco]

NO

[dapper cedar]

😭

[meager junco]

I WILL NOT TAKE THAT AS HER TRUE FORM

[dapper cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-of-the-endless-food-replicator-dinner-me-when-no-food-replicator-me-when-no-dinner-gif-26919210

[acoustic osprey]

beep boop, I am literally a 3d printer

[dapper cedar]

i eat 3d as food

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-no-star-wars-mark-hamill-hanging-on-gif-11368455

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[lethal moat]

Grow them in vats from embryos I think, replicator as more of an ai with an automated system rather than an actual thing

[dapper cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/love-happy-friends-couple-hearts-gif-8969932691057138395

[acoustic osprey]

lettuce wait

[lethal moat]

I wait with great anticipation about the computer program and we watch the cameras waiting for something to watch back

[meager junco]

Yeh I agree, but I do believe it has a body of some sort , a Power supply and such

[dapper cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/letter-h-dna-structure-animation-spinning-gif-17664688

hyperendocerin

[lethal moat]

Break the dam release the river

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-valin-hess-mandalorian-to-the-empire-empire-gif-20405226

[dapper cedar]

hyperendocerin is amazing

[acoustic osprey]

here's to hoping we can wait and learn more about something

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

[meager junco]

I remember this old art of the replicator, it was a sort of machine in a cave

Was probably fan made tho

[lethal moat]

I think that was fan made

All I’ve seen so far is the camera with the paintings motif

[meager junco]

Yeh thought so

Was a very good art tho, really captured that dark vibe the isle tends to give when looking into the lore

[dapper cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/titan-speaker-man-skibidi-toilet-gif-14409651457562367599

[dapper cedar]

my headcanon for the replicator

[lethal moat]

I love the dark and gritty aspect anything from GUTS or lower is giving us (or we’re forcing on it, since we don’t have much so far)

[acoustic osprey]

pis* green lights

the contrast is lovely

[meager junco]

I hope,

That everything we’ve thought about, all the dark stuff, all the meaty mysterious things we think we know about,

Are nothing compared to the real thing, meaning, Tartarus, is even more dark than we imagined

[acoustic osprey]

the vibe those artworks brought was amazing

[acoustic osprey]

oops, Tartarus is renamed into Elysium

[lethal moat]

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-true-its-not-true-thats-not-real-untrue-gif-16279976

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gladiator-russell-crowe-wheat-elysium-gif-16139794

[lethal moat]

What if I told you

Please don’t

[dapper cedar]

is that a fortnite reference

[acoustic osprey]

tartarus is the land of the happy

[dapper cedar]

meaty?

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[lethal moat]

Name the lodging area Elypsium

[acoustic osprey]

girthier

[patent ginkgo]

[meager junco]

Curious Isaac, so In isle lore, what kind of Tartarus do we have, do we have the hades Tartarus or the actual Tartarus (I heard there’s a difference)

[dapper cedar]

name the sky field of asphodel

https://tenor.com/view/geometry-dash-gif-19945692

cant wait to meet the river of fire in tartarus

[lethal moat]

Maci makes a good point, the River of Styx could be a fun thing to think about, I’m hoping it’s the underwater River in GUTS I’m always so keen to assume exists

[dapper cedar]

thats not the river of styx

the river of styx is the river you need to cross into the underworld

so maybe the river of styx works for GUTS but its not the river of fire

amogus

why are you all just typing

[patent ginkgo]

How do you say smart things and then just say things like that

[dapper cedar]

k

[lethal moat]

I know, there are a ton of rivers in hades, I’m just saying that if it exists in the isle, I want it to be an underwater GUTS tunnel

[lethal moat]

My friends do it all the time

[dapper cedar]

youre going into hades

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[acoustic osprey]

depends on the era you read things at, as cultural shifts and migration of story, religion, etc, changed.
As Tartarus is a bit weird. Generally, when you think of Tartarus (like Earth -> Gaea) all natural bodies are usually personified as a god of sort

Such as with Tartarus, like Gaea, they were made at the beginning/creation
but Tartarus, if you want to define his "God of", was of the place you think of when you think of Tartarus
That being the pit of tartarus, which is defined as Tartarus

There's no real "Haides Tartarus", more so just that Haides is quite like Tartarus.
Haides is both an underworld (land of the dead) and the god itself

And if you want to be cooler, Typhon and Echidna were both children of Tartarus (the god) within Tartarus (the pit)
but do note, he is no anthropomorphic deity.

[dapper cedar]

😭

[lethal moat]

Styx could also be the final gate before you enter Tartarus

[dapper cedar]

tartarus is a place in hades, and hades is a part of the underworld and the underworld is a part of hades

[acoustic osprey]

KHARON!!!

this is where my ferryman theory comes in 😊

[dapper cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/smite-charon-skeleton-skeleton-rowing-rowing-gif-18311602551626906626

[lethal moat]

Do explain

[dapper cedar]

charon

[acoustic osprey]

to pass the River Styx, Kharôn (the ferryman) must allow you first

[dapper cedar]

what, the train is called charon?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
but also this

here you can also add the judges of the dead

[dapper cedar]

no no they dont allow you, they just carry you, the only allowing that charon does is checking if you have a gold coin

[lethal moat]

The replicator sacrifice pit thing could be Styx, and the replicator could act as Kharon

[meager junco]

Ahhhh ok so Tartarus is like a super hades in some sort, both god and place but more primordial

[dapper cedar]

charon takes you from underworld to real life

[lethal moat]

If you don’t have a coin you don’t get in

[dapper cedar]

nooooo

[lethal moat]

Kinda

[acoustic osprey]

Sorry, I was referring to Orpheus being repulsed by him

[dapper cedar]

huh

the judges of the dead will make all sad

[lethal moat]

Sacrifice a friend to the replicator to get into Tartarus, I’m willing to light Jolly on fire a second time.

[dapper cedar]

lol what

thats not how it works but ok

[meager junco]

You were right Isaac, this game makes you learn about mythos more than anyone

[dapper cedar]

wha

[patent ginkgo]

HEY

[dapper cedar]

[lethal moat]

We don’t know how it works

[dapper cedar]

i mean

as in greek u dont sacrifice

[lethal moat]

You give up a coin

[dapper cedar]

yessir

and no coin = wandering for infinity

[lethal moat]

Jolly’s burnt corpse is a coin to me

[dapper cedar]

what if the tartarus was the isle all along

[patent ginkgo]

[dapper cedar]

lmao

[acoustic osprey]

he takes you across Haides, no? Where Hermes gathered the shades of the dead from the upper world and Kharôn took them across the waters to Haides in his skiff

[dapper cedar]

charon takes you across the river styx

[lethal moat]

Gateway is the entrance to Tartarus

[dapper cedar]

man 😦

what if the river styx was the isle all along

[acoustic osprey]

the river styx is within Haides?

[dapper cedar]

yessir

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, thought so

[patent ginkgo]

What if that other island was the isle all along

[meager junco]

Ima be mad if we go to the underground tunnels and get to a sign that says “for Tartarus, get on the next train to the next island:)”

[acoustic osprey]

you're not transported from the underground back to life

[dapper cedar]

that sentence could be debated thoughhh

[lethal moat]

I hold out hope for an underground river

[dapper cedar]

if you go back to life you need to do special things

[lethal moat]

Totally possible, and I would cry

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, but he was not explicitly for those

[dapper cedar]

its possible that drinking from the river lethe brings you back to life

[dapper cedar]

yeee

[meager junco]

It’s worth crying over

[acoustic osprey]

from out on the Styx, espied them threading the soundless wood and making fast for the bank, he hailed them ... This is the land of ghosts, of sleep and somnolent night: the living are not permitted to use the Stygian ferry

"He [the dead] sits oar in hand beneath the reeds of the Styx and faces the sombre sails of the infernal boat [of Kharon (Charon)].

i'm quite more on the side of the river Styx being within Haides

[dapper cedar]

hades = underworld

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[dapper cedar]

but some people say thats wrong

[acoustic osprey]

Haides is the underworld though?

[dapper cedar]

thats the thing some people say thats wrong 😭

[acoustic osprey]

whomever such, should go there themselves!!!

[maiden sundial]

Hades is the god and the place.

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[dapper cedar]

hades technically received the underworld from zeus, but its also him too

[maiden sundial]

It's usually called the house of hades.

[dapper cedar]

so it could be argued that he received the underworld so its not actually him

[acoustic osprey]

there's many references in Homer and the Hesiods from it being referred to as the underworld (Haides)

[dapper cedar]

homer is the epic poem of all time

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, Haides wasn't the only god of the underworld

[maiden sundial]

A lot of earlier myths say hades thi

[dapper cedar]

yeah theres another one

[acoustic osprey]

such as how Kings of the time

they didn't rule everything of their land

[maiden sundial]

Persephone too you can't forget persephone

[acoustic osprey]

in contrast to how Kings did the past 500 years

[dapper cedar]

persephone

theres hades, persephone and pretty much the reaper

[maiden sundial]

Thanatos

[dapper cedar]

thanatos

bring me thanos'

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-thanos-thor-infinity-war-gif-12172244

this is not isle lore theory this is greek debate

[acoustic osprey]

got side tracked
It's like the cool place where naughty people who are "high up" go to 😊

[maiden sundial]

Also yea Persephone is possibly older than hades in terms of being a god

[acoustic osprey]

Gods hate you? Tartarus

unlike Haides, Tartarus was more a 'hellish' prison

[dapper cedar]

i feel bad for sisyphus 😦

[acoustic osprey]

up the mountain you go

[dapper cedar]

hades was a pretty stand up guy

[acoustic osprey]

if you haven't, read Camus' paper on King Sisyphus

[maiden sundial]

Elysium is for those who died with honor, and also kids. There's basic hades. Which I'd just normal life but immortal. And tartarus the bad place.

[dapper cedar]

some guys wife died and he went to the underworld and played hades a song and he just went "yup, you can go now"

[maiden sundial]

In comparison to his brothers.

[lethal moat]

Hades entry being the GUTS volcano entrance or a tunnel in Perimeter, depending on which interpretation of 291 you believe

[acoustic osprey]

akin to Norses' Valhalla

that being, Elysium didn't really exist in earlier texts
so it makes sense on why they're, that and Valhalla, are similar

[dapper cedar]

he was still pretty good in general

[acoustic osprey]

spread of culture
especially with the northern pagans, the Germanics

[dapper cedar]

but thats just a theory

[maiden sundial]

Ehh he still kidnapped and married his own niece.

[dapper cedar]

they eventually got a plan

[maiden sundial]

While yes under the suggestion of zeus

[dapper cedar]

and he DID ask

damn, theres quite a bit of incest

[acoustic osprey]

I suppose it all depends on more information

[acoustic osprey]

in contrast to pop culture, always making him the bad guy

when he wasn't really that bad in contrast to the lot

[maiden sundial]

That is dependent on the source. The earliest sources are usually hades kidnapping persephone. But it being abundantly clear that zeus orchestrated some of it.

[dapper cedar]

i cry for him

[dapper cedar]

he asked zeus

[acoustic osprey]

i need to read Percy Jackson

apparently he's a lot better than normal pop culture

please don't spoil for me

[maiden sundial]

And zeus suggested that.

[lethal moat]

It’s good and mostly accurate

[dapper cedar]

the movie made him so bad

[lethal moat]

The new series isn’t the worst tho

[acoustic osprey]

i heard, at least it's supposed to be super inaccurate to the book

[dapper cedar]

hes portayed in an accurate way in the books

[acoustic osprey]

it's cringe, but what else gonna happen when you get child actors

[dapper cedar]

in the book ||he good guy|| in the movie ||he bad guy||

[maiden sundial]

Oh btw hades probably didn't exist in mycanean greece.

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[dapper cedar]

whats wrong with child actors?

[acoustic osprey]

cringe happens

[dapper cedar]

i mean that depends on the actor, not that theyre a child

@acoustic osprey imagine being a content creator

[maiden sundial]

Also poseidon in mycanean Greece was the king of the gods. And was also the ruler of the underworld

[acoustic osprey]

whenever you have a show about children with child actors, they will always put cringe aspects within it

I am not dissing on the show, as I like it

[dapper cedar]

they usually have adults that look like children

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, that's Hollywood for you

[dapper cedar]

tom holland:

[acoustic osprey]

but the actors in the TV show are actual children

Tom Holland wasn't technically in his Spiderman movies

[dapper cedar]

its not that theyre bad, its that what the producers get them to do is bad, and their personal level of experience

some are good

[lethal moat]

Back to the lore, Pandora’s box could be a fun reference

[dapper cedar]

[dapper cedar]

yummy

imagine the replicator is pandora box

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, which is why it's cringe usually
but, from experience, kids act cringe anyways. Even without trying.
Especially when they overact, which is always fun

[dapper cedar]

i cry

[lethal moat]

Maybe a computer system, seeing as hope is still inside the box

Something to save the island but could also destroy it

Maybe a key

[green remnant]

can someone fill me in on how this links to the isle

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-robert-downey-jr-tony-stark-iron-man-gif-17762993

[lethal moat]

The isle has several references to Greek mythos

[maiden sundial]

There is a ton of references to Greek myth

[lethal moat]

I can see Tartarus being closed until someone opens it, and when it’s opened, all the evils comes out, or you must go in to fix what has been wronged

Something like that

[acoustic osprey]

I know I've recently said I think the graph is more of Perimeter than Gateway itself
But, i suppose it could also be a general sector? (As another potential candidate for what it was)

[lethal moat]

There’s a lot of things it could be which is a little frustrating given how unfinished gateway is

[acoustic osprey]

insert the ferryman
the (obolos) coin you pay can be interpreted as anything really

but it depends, I suppose, on what Tartarus contains

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/e4406b39bc782e2ca8713af5bc106b9f

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[lethal moat]

I’ll take a level 4 keycard thanks

[acoustic osprey]

nuh uh!

[lethal moat]

I’ll sue for emotional damages and take the kids

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if, IF, we found keycards in-game
we can use them to open up more information hidden on papers like this

and if those keycards have a one time use

or you need a special "OLYMPUS" keycard (or whatever)
which has a one time use, and only used for finding information like such

or accessing areas like Tartarus

which could be the "coin" you offer to the Ferryman

[lethal moat]

I was thinking something similar

[acoustic osprey]

it is certainly cool to think about

because honestly, Tartarus might just be pretty empty and not used
So why even have it open and accessible, when you can lock it behind a paywall!!

[meager junco]

I remember you mentioning that’s where the titans were imprisoned

So I’m gonna say the titans are seen as any monstrosities like the trinity and matriarch are in some way

[lethal moat]

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

aye, Titanomachy
a fun story to read the kids at night

[meager junco]

Watch dondi say “oh yeh, matriarch and trinity is only the start of the monsters.”

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah, the strains + trinity can be quite akin to the Titans

especially if they're the "first" of their kind and whatnot

[lethal moat]

We know how many things Dondi could think of off the top of his head that could pin a Rex, so I would say so

It was either 4-6 things

[meager junco]

I just wonder why add a mechanic that won’t be used unless Rex is one of the others

[lethal moat]

Islandwalker could be one

[meager junco]

Finger on rex pins it

[lethal moat]

It looked like a pounce pin animation

[meager junco]

It’s also not a regular pin like Rex seems to be doing on other Dino’s, the Rex in the stream was struggling all over

[lethal moat]

Pinned from the center of mass, not by the neck

[meager junco]

That was also one of my thoughts after the new pin was shown

[lethal moat]

Oh so many scary ideas that could exist

[meager junco]

But then again, it just seemed very off of a pin for it

Hypers is definitely one and that we know is coming in game

Neuro is a bit bigger but I don’t think it’s technically stronger physically so idk

[lethal moat]

Giant crab

[meager junco]

The true apex

Also I wonder if 20 troodons on a stego will pin it

[lethal moat]

Lol

I wonder if Gen 1 climbing will integrate into the map somehow

Like having certain tunnels collapse and you need to climb in order to access the replicator

[meager junco]

I want Gen 1 to have a sort of zipline they make out of wood and vines to travel between small plains from trees to trees

No sliding but they latch onto it to get onto the next branch

[lethal moat]

Or commando crawl across a wire to get between places

Some sort of arial tramway for gateway could be interesting if anything ends up being on top of the volcano

[meager junco]

That be really nice, would give that tribal feeling at night, seeing a squad of Gen 1s sneak in the night and drop into a base like how the tribals in King Kong 2005 did to capture Ann

I think the quiet Gen 1s will be the deadliest and scariest ones

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 definitely has an emphasis on spooky uncanny valley style gameplay

[meager junco]

Also giving Gen 1 more than 5 calls would be great for communication

[lethal moat]

Spooky click clack noises from above you in the tunnel

🎵secret tunnel 🎶

[meager junco]

If clicking isn’t part of their calls i am going to scream

[lethal moat]

Mark my words

Next lore drop will leave us with more questions than we had previously, even if it answers some of our current ones

And I’m here for it

[meager junco]

I’d love if dondi would revisit the errant 291 thing , I hope it doesn’t just get left up in the air

[lethal moat]

We have to find the uncensored report on gateway