isle-lore-theories

[pale marsh]

im still of the opinion that echidna acts thru the replicator and thats the whole reason an ai would care so much about gen1

tho i doubt gen1 are aware of it

[acoustic osprey]

it as in The Replicator?

[pale marsh]

aware of echidna acting via the replicaor in my idea, they worship the ai not knowing its echidna behind the scenes

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, I'd doubt an AI would allow Echidna, or something akin to that, to be pulling the strings

it'd be more interesting to see character behind Replicator- and not just "crazy AI" that's just used as a toy by female eyeless monster

not a character, but a personality and identity built around Replicator

[pale marsh]

in my mind, replicator isnt an ai in the scifi sense, but in the more modern day sense, as effectively just a very poweful algorithm

[steel summit]

very low chance but still fits within the territory of my theory.

so idk

[zinc narwhal]

Okay so

[acoustic osprey]

yes, do ask

[zinc narwhal]

I'm an IT major, and I just analyzed the AUGUSTUS incident report

[acoustic osprey]

yes

if you refer to AVI, yeah, that's more modern

which is interesting

[zinc narwhal]

Not that much more modern

[acoustic osprey]

sorry, AV1

[zinc narwhal]

I analyzed some of the network infrastructure that flashed across the screen, and it pins the access of the incident report squarely in the early to mid 1990s

[acoustic osprey]

unless it's another reference to Don referring to how you'll notice certain charaters by little quirks here and there
could just be a little goofy humble mistake

[acoustic osprey]

practically
Albeit, I would presume half of the stuff is made up?

[zinc narwhal]

Shockingly, not a ton

The processor, maybe

And 19 gigs of ram in the 90s is a ton

But the network interface seems to be real, if obscure

[acoustic osprey]

so 196608K is referred to how much memory the computer is running?

[zinc narwhal]

I do believe so. When referring to memory, that typically refers to RAM

K is kilobytes, which was frequently used as a measurement unit back then

196,608K would translate to... actually 196Mb

[acoustic osprey]

wouldn't that make 196 MB?

[zinc narwhal]

I miscalculated

[acoustic osprey]

ah, yeah, just did the math to

[steel summit]

KB is kilobyte but yeah

[zinc narwhal]

I know, but many applications shorten it to just K

[acoustic osprey]

what would be typical in the late 80s to mid 90s?

[steel summit]

K is just kilo, and Kilo = 1000

[acoustic osprey]

you don't understand how lazy tech people can be Hawkey
if there's an easier and more effective way to do something

that'll be their route

[zinc narwhal]

Typical would be 4-8 MB

[steel summit]

yeah, i know

[zinc narwhal]

128 by like 98, 99

[acoustic osprey]

still quite a lot, interesting

I presume nothing crazy.
Seeing as they likely run/ran (somehow) an AI system

in which could also be likely funding a tech company/subsidiary
quite interesting

[zinc narwhal]

My running theory is that this is a branch of a larger supercomputer that the AI runs off of

[acoustic osprey]

is also AY59Pro and AEMSI real? (AEMSI was AMSI in the previous lore post, so it's likely that AMSI was a typo)

[acoustic osprey]

would make sense
seeing as "X" (this person with Stage 5 clearance from Olympus) logins externally

[zinc narwhal]

AMSI would most likely refer to an antimalware scan interface, but that wasn't implemented until 2015. AY59Pro hasn't turned anything up yet

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, I presumed it's supposed to be AEMSI

being "AE"

still curious about AY59Pro
nothing really rings a bell for possible acronym meanings

besides "A" being Apollo
but, eh

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14L8fppW9kaLrmURZYyRklem5i-sQCYZniOUdM1uIcnM/edit?usp=sharing
however, there also exists a nice indepth analysis (still a WIP) by Keitara

[zinc narwhal]

There is an AX59 Pro, which is a motherboard

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

either could be another typo
or they literally just copied and pasted such into AE/Apollo

[zinc narwhal]

The AX59 Pro was released in September of 1998, so it's absolutely in the right ballpark

Alright, I found more hardware

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[zinc narwhal]

This is the control module for an IBM storage server

a 00l5480

Could be referenced by the "IBX 5480"

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[zinc narwhal]

This would make sense, give, the "IDE Primary Master" prefix

[acoustic osprey]

this?

[zinc narwhal]

I believe so

[acoustic osprey]

interesting
so i imagine another "AE Copy"

[zinc narwhal]

As that would, at the time, refer to a drive management system

[acoustic osprey]

ah yes, I think I remember the term in a BIOS setup once?

[zinc narwhal]

Likely. IBM didn't USE IDE originally. Their competitors did. This would be some sort of technological frankenstein's monster

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, you can see the use of K
funny programmers

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/morning-coffee-gif-10446751

[steel summit]

yeah since with context K makes sense, just like when talking about weight you can just say "100 kilos"

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[zinc narwhal]

We know the file is being accessed from OLYMPUS

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

still unsure of the placement of Olympus
we know there is an Olympus Central Control

but whether they're the same place

or some sort of relay for Olympus itself (in which I would presume itself on another island, unless they're the same building(s))

[zinc narwhal]

I'd assume Olympus and Tartarus are their own islands.

[acoustic osprey]

but, seeing as "X" has Stage 5 clearance
must be a higher up

[acoustic osprey]

we do know, that Tartarus is, relatively, within Gateway
knowing that Gateway is a gateway to Tartarus

seeing as, in Greek Mythos, Tartarus is underground
it's presumed it'll be literally beneath; which would be fun

[zinc narwhal]

Stage 5 is the highest, right? I think this would either be a very high-up official, or the Replicator.

[steel summit]

rumple's islandwalker burrow theory works with underground tartarus btw

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796871137530347520/1057648391540183121/20221006_174036-1.gif

[steel summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796871137530347520/1057648391540183121/20221006_174036-1.gif

[acoustic osprey]

heck, it could be Replicator
however, we right now have only see three clearance stages
2, 3 and 5

Might be likely that it stops at 5

[zinc narwhal]

The 80387SX was a numeric processing unit used in some motherboards of the time. Relatively rare, but it seems they're using it as a primary CPU here

And in an AX59, this would severely limit its capacity, unless the server misidentified the NPU as a CPU.

The 80387SX module was primarily used in the Packard Bell PB301 (pictured here)

[acoustic osprey]

what would an NPU do?

[zinc narwhal]

Its purpose is to crunch numbers much faster than a CPU, leaving the actual CPU to perform other processes

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

what applications would you place upon it? (would this be useful for something like an AI?)

[zinc narwhal]

Like a GPU or a sound card, but for numbers, as opposed to graphics or audio

[zinc narwhal]

An AI might use it, sure. Depends on what the AI is doing. In the 90s, I could see satellite NPUs being utilized by an AI.

Also, there's mention of an IBX 3380

This is where the file is stored

Now, this could be part of the file directory system

Orrrr, it could be an IBM3380

An absolutely titanic 1GB HDD from 1980

This would be large enough to fit several video files on it, especially at the length, resolution, and audio quality observed in the incident report

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

apparently their storage/library is called The Tomb

however, there is also an Apollo Core too
which they have stored videos in before

[zinc narwhal]

These drives used to cost over $100,000 each, so they'd likely be very selective over what video files they kept.

[zinc narwhal]

I'd be willing to gander the Tomb is more of a long-term storage solution, while the core is a more active unit. That, or the core is within the tomb

This also implies the Tomb is at Olympus

[acoustic osprey]

It could be.
I'd be willing to wager The Tomb is more "Broad" for all reports and stuff (folders, videos, etc)

and Core actually holding stuff akin to this

[acoustic osprey]

I'd wager this too. Having your major information sector/area within an area with the high prestige that Olympus would be

[zinc narwhal]

Indeed. This makes me wonder if the core is there as well

[acoustic osprey]

i'd even wager that too

[zinc narwhal]

Also, the way the rectangles follow the images, flashing like that, is very reminiscent of basic image recognition AI

[acoustic osprey]

however, if they want to go "full greek (greek mythos)" ||I know he was Macedonian, but still. Classical Greek Era|| you could get a theoretical burning of "Apollo's Tomb"

i know the actual burning of the library didn't result in, truly, a large majority of literature being lost
however, you could play full ball with this one and make it so a proper majority of info within The Tomb and Apollo Core were lost

which would make sense as some sort of cyber attack by Echidna

during The Incident

[zinc narwhal]

But if the core were lost, wouldn't that cut the EIPs off from the subjects?

[acoustic osprey]

EIPs are no longer canon, at least at the moment

[zinc narwhal]

Oh, I see

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[zinc narwhal]

We hear Shirley in the later clip. I'm not great at identifying calls, as I've looked into lore more than played, but has someone identified them?

If they're .003, there likely aren't many on the island. And they're named. That's significant

[ocean fable]

i thought shirley was a rex but maybe i misunderstood

[zinc narwhal]

Easily could be

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, it's Rex

Don confirmed on stream earlier this week it was a rex

and told me last year, in which I could not discuss

[zinc narwhal]

Alright, neat. Shirley is now another identified individual subject, then

[acoustic osprey]

however, he apparently wanted to call a Rex "Shirley" for years now

[ocean fable]

yeah you can hear the rex roar in the distance and augustus books it

[zinc narwhal]

Alright, neat!

[ocean fable]

yeah listen/watch again, it's the typical jp rex kind of roar

someone pointed out they heard a rex roar in the vid so i was like oh that must be shirley 👀

[zinc narwhal]

It certainly seems so!

[steel summit]

yeah, shirley was pre planned but augustus was just made like a week before the vid released

[acoustic osprey]

literally lol

[zinc narwhal]

Well, now we've got a nice list of named subjects

[steel summit]

yeah named specimens are nice for future references

[steel summit]

Gen 1 Appreciation

[acoustic osprey]

^

[low scarab]

He’s beautiful

[acoustic osprey]

very

[low scarab]

But what’s going on with the other customization one with no eyes

[steel summit]

things

[iron anchor]

yeah is customization gonna alter gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

it might not

i'd prefer not
Unless there's a relative "bodily class system"
similar to the old tribal art concept

[steel summit]

no eyes should alter gameplay imo, thats why i dont like it having no eyes in one concept and yes eyes in another

[acoustic osprey]

we honestly just need more information on such

[iron anchor]

Lol wtf

[steel summit]

yeah, im just stating my opinion

[iron anchor]

chainsaw and an ak

[acoustic osprey]

similar but not literally that

[low scarab]

Yea it’s old lol

[iron anchor]

level 3 mafia boss

[pseudo fable]

Yes, officer. This one right here. They want us to take even longer in development.

[steel summit]

sorry

[lethal moat]

Dang lol

[pseudo fable]

(It'd be fun but do you want to wait even longer for us to make stuff? No.)

[steel summit]

tbh i want things to be perfect but yeah

[maiden sundial]

Hello sir Don. Hope your day is going good.

[pseudo fable]

Too early to tell.

[lethal moat]

I do like how you guys are actually putting time and effort into a good game, and keeping it affordable, it’s a really refreshing experience from other games that are of similar visual quality produced by AAA studios

[maiden sundial]

Fair. Well it hope it goes well.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-server-down-hobbit-i-cant-login-break-the-client-down-gif-17831547

you didn't need the ping. I shouldn't be awake anyways, but work calls

[pseudo fable]

Yeah, same. I should get to that.

[lethal moat]

Best of luck to both of you

[steel summit]

ok, good luck

[bronze zodiac]

Good luck

[acoustic osprey]

Adios for the time being 👋

[steel summit]

Adios

[low scarab]

No one pinged me for don…

But yea no eyes shouldn’t change anything imo Maaaaybe for the eyeless but just customization, no

[iron anchor]

imo save eyeless for eyeless

[steel summit]

Don did say it was a fun idea, but yeah to save time it shouldnt change anything.

[low scarab]

Definitely some things should be prioritized

[copper moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/704456356438081636/JM_U02_I03_V1.jpg?ex=655bdb1b&is=6549661b&hm=ffad4093cbefcad39255b82e68d2125d854ca6b9d9f2fc18ff993c44afa01100&
This is an old art I made long ago of my interpretation of what Tartarus looks like. I wonder how far off I am.

[lethal moat]

I like it, you should post it in the fan art channel

I personally think it’s underground, but that’s very nice

[copper moat]

Last I heard, Tartarus held some huge monsters like the Colossus and the Matriarch. Although I am pretty sure at least one of those 2 are no longer canon.

[lethal moat]

Both are still canon

[copper moat]

I miss those cryptic QnA streams where you have this Apollo terminal that answers lore through a text-to-speech.

This is like back in 2017

[lethal moat]

I'd love more lore stuff, but I wasn't around during legacy, how long has it been since you've checked in on the lore?

[copper moat]

The lore has been mostly dormant since we moved to Evrima. And even then, things like Magnatyrannus solus are probably discontinued.

[lethal moat]

Magna is gone yeah, I can show you all the lore we've got for evrima if you want it

[copper moat]

Yeah, you got a document?

[lethal moat]

There are many, but mine is the summary

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[copper moat]

My ADD brain kinda just skips over most lore that is just "REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED"

[lethal moat]

We've got a couple of things stored away

[low scarab]

This is epic wallpaper worthy

[dusk pier]

After seeing gen1 concept art i feel like gen1 is both tribals and the cannibals asif they are now one although i do get it if cannibals will be like the "elders" or evolved from like how trex gets a strain "hyper"

[lethal moat]

Kind of

[dusk pier]

Feels wrong to call them tribals

"Primals"?

[lethal moat]

Because they're gen 1s, their concept came from tribals, but it's best to call them gen 1

Since primordial is something different

[dusk pier]

👀

It goes deeper

[lethal moat]

Have you seen the lore doc?

[dusk pier]

👀 i dont recall it saying something about primordial

[lethal moat]

It's in there

[dusk pier]

Is it that big tree tower that is a strain?

Or is that scraped

[lethal moat]

We don't know what it is, just that it existed, and we don't know about the strain agriculture either

[dusk pier]

Mybe thats where the research comes from

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-2881699633418222415

[patent ginkgo]

Plot twist, the primordial is just LUCA

[pale marsh]

Remember
While visually and maybe lore wise similar
Gen1 and eyeless are still seperate beings even if the line is a less clear as it used to be

[lethal moat]

Right, eyeless are "upgrades" as a result of the replicator

[pale marsh]

Most likely

Dondi described it as "Gen1.5"

[lethal moat]

Yep, wonder if that upgrade comes with benefits, and if so, what?

[pale marsh]

Benefits from who's perspective?

[lethal moat]

The eyeless or the replicator, either or

[unborn atlas]

Imagine one day Don releases the eyeless but doesn't tell anyone, so people just start saying, "why is there a Gen 1.5 spawn option?" And everyone thinks they're just trolling-

[rapid chasm]

matriarch

[void apex]

The one thing we can obviously take away from that is that the eyeless are MUCH more similar to a human in terms of facial structure

[rapid chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096791218895192166/1113932017445371985/Untitled-2-1.gif

[void apex]

same kinds of teeth, same eye structure, similar nose, etc

[acoustic osprey]

Gen1s*

not Eyeless, Dalt!!

[void apex]

there's two gen 1s

I am talking about the eyeless kind

[acoustic osprey]

No, that's just a customisation option

[lethal moat]

Eyeless are something else and that is spook

[void apex]

Eh, tomato, potato

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[lethal moat]

Wonder how much turning eyeless will change the way those bois look

[void apex]

I wonder the lore implications of the eyeless

Perhaps a weird lore questions but do we have any ideas on how tribals reproduce? Are they doing it biologically or is the replicator plopping them out? Or both?

Because if their population is somehow self sustaining it could pose a large threat if they get out and about on the island, but at the same time it feels like they'd be easy to track down. Especially if they have those implants.

[acoustic osprey]

either Tribals are truly asexual
or they have "males and females"

But, suspecting it's likely just Replicator reproducing

[void apex]

Judging by the concept they appear to lack said features, but then again, this game would have a whole different rating if such things were included

so we can't use it as a basis

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[pale marsh]

given they are smooth, and meant to be ""human"" probably infertile minimum

[acoustic osprey]

but, seeing as we know Replicator already rewards for them for sacrificing things
I wouldn't be surprised if Tribals are rewarded "children" as well

[void apex]

honestly, the fact that they have no nipples is quite interesting to me

[pale marsh]

i mean, didnt the gen2 models get censored gonads?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-i-would-like-to-see-the-baby-gif-15848002

[pale marsh]

i expecting gen1 to be created as adults by the replicator

[void apex]

While they are mammalian in bone structure, they appear to lack mammalian features in their skin.

Quite similar to how the neurotenic strain functions, potentially further closing their similarities with the neurotenic mastermind.

[acoustic osprey]

either due to nudity rules
or that children aren't even made, but, rather, The Replicator just replicates adults

[pale marsh]

and maybe thats what the sacrifices are, feeding biological material to the replicator so it can make more gen1

[void apex]

Is the replicator physically able to replicate adults?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, I don't see why not.
Seeing as her name is the replicator

either she can grow embryos really fast
or she, truly, can "replicate"

[pale marsh]

why wouldnt it

[lethal moat]

Imagine finding a gen 1 incubation chamber

[acoustic osprey]

unlike the stinky clones in Star Wars
Replicator actually doesn't have that painful plothole and inconvenience 👍

[void apex]

because it's generally how animals work, idk

[pale marsh]

im still hard on the idea of the dinos being fabricated like a machine, but meat, and the dinos being young when u start is either simply a game mechanic,

[pale marsh]

what if they arent actually animals

[void apex]

I mean I guess but these are functionally animals

[acoustic osprey]

Clarke's Third Law

[pale marsh]

thats the theory i believe these arent animals, just, synthetic life made in the image of animals

[void apex]

I know but just

There's a reason why we can create artificial embryos

[pale marsh]

again, meat machines

[void apex]

but not an artificial adult

[acoustic osprey]

we also don't have capability of creating our own dinosaurs at the present moment.

So the possibilities known to Apollo Engineering can be far more extended, being quite broad, in contrast to the boring limited science of the real world

[pale marsh]

i say, the dinos starting as young in game is just a game mechanic and nothing more

[void apex]

I guess

[pale marsh]

gotta love fake video game science

its just as fun cuz u can make stuff up!

[acoustic osprey]

that's the beauty of a sci-fi game

and you build off from there of your own boundaries

and now we must wait for any Tribals info

[pale marsh]

but yea i think the dinos are literaly 3d printed at the dna level, and the replicator was created to streamline that process, and if this is the case theres no reason u can pump out adults

unless AE hard coded that limitation in, for, idk some arbitrary reason

[acoustic osprey]

do they have children physically or through the replicator or another thing
are they asexual (in reference to biology)?
do you start as an adult or child?

[lethal moat]

I agree with this theory

[pale marsh]

id honestly love to know if gen1 have concept of gender, but i wouldnt expect that convo to go well, or expect the devs to care about such a thing

[acoustic osprey]

I'd suppose some sort of hierachy

[lethal moat]

I'm curious about their concept of morality and exactly how intelligent it is

[acoustic osprey]

but if you live in an asexual (biological) world
it could less be a cultural "gender", and more so a cultural "status" via class

[void apex]

I think they're more intelligent than their design might lead on

[lethal moat]

The fact that the echidna was called the mother of cannibals inclines me to agree

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as they can create art, they have some understand of expression

[pale marsh]

most likely yea

[acoustic osprey]

Like, different customisation options for Gen1s (in lore) could likely denote who is what

[void apex]

They are 100% at the same intelligence level as humans

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-better-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-im-better-gif-25853880

[void apex]

Perhaps they don't express it in the same way as us, but they are AS intelligent

[lethal moat]

Nah bro, gen 1 is absolutely more intelligent than me

[pale marsh]

i think they have to same intuitive/functional capacity, but if i were to bet, things like language are little more stunted compared to modern man

[acoustic osprey]

if it's truly ~20 years since proper human interaction on the island
I can imagine some sort of system, extremely tribal in nature due to lack of resources akin to their size and "needs"

like

A tribal person 100 years ago can be as smart as an upper class Englishman today

only difference is time, place and resources

[void apex]

the islands are funky, in that they're much too small to actually house large scale life, but that might just be a gameplay - lore thing that doesn't work

[lethal moat]

Resources is a big factor

[void apex]

I mean the problem of comparing "smarts" is that we don't have a functional way of measuring intelligence as we can't even define the damn word

since it takes many different shapes

Einstein's whole fish quote and everything

As we base our intelligence on our education, we might call a tribal person from long ago dumb, despite them possessing the same basis for knowledge that we do

[lethal moat]

Maybe the island had nothing on it for a long time and the replicator just recently reactivated?

[void apex]

And since Gen1's whole culture is probably less than 50 years old, so if they have a fully functioning society I'd be impressed

[acoustic osprey]

in which this intelligence is more so just the progression of understanding

[lethal moat]

Difference between potential and resources required to fulfill that potential sort of thing?

[void apex]

Yeah kinda

[acoustic osprey]

the Western World has been built over years and years of cultural progression via science

[pale marsh]

if i were to bet, the island ecostsytem only works cuz the replicators constant stream of new plants and animals

[acoustic osprey]

this less so builds intelligence (IQ) of the average person, albeit, does help them (the people) in the long run
but more so just builds upon the general basis of people in the culture + neighbouring cultures with understanding the world around them

[lethal moat]

There’s a limited number of feasible avenues that I can think of for life to continue on the island, but enough that it’s frustrating to decide

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as she did such in Legacy
could very much be so in Evrima

[void apex]

I wonder if tribals have built stuff as grand as they did in legacy

[pale marsh]

that and time, probably not enough time for things on the island to crap has passed

[acoustic osprey]

i believe the sacrifice pit is no longer
replaced by an altar

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 probably feels threatened by gen 2 arriving, even without trying to kill their god, just because of cultural differences

[acoustic osprey]

unless all creatures, including Gen1s, have a shorter timespan

in which all growth is truly stunted from being as long as natural humans
which could explain IF tribals basically get replicated as adults

"they just incubated really fast"

[void apex]

While I do like the design, idk how well it suits their level of civilization as they are still far from being a formed society and still have a loose tribalistic structure from what we know

[pale marsh]

maybe, but i think thatd to much of a stretch and kinda dumb

[void apex]

so the altar makes more sense

[pale marsh]

like, is it a flaw of the replicator? or did AE make it like that on purpose??

either way i wouldnt like that answer very much

[lethal moat]

I can see an altar on top of a partially collapsed GUTS tunnel to Tartarus working well

[void apex]

I am curious why they're lacking general mammalian features and seem to have replaced them with some reptillian ones

[acoustic osprey]

time to sacricice to only Playable I'm excited for as another playable i'm excited for (i am going to sacrifice John Cake)

[pale marsh]

how long would it take to them make such a thing?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/full-bore-and-into-the-abyss-davy-jones-abyss-dark-bore-gif-22332324

[acoustic osprey]

could be on purpose
to wait years for something to grow would be an inherent flaw

however, we do know things evolve rather quickly?

[void apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic osprey]

at least seeing with Augustus

[void apex]

generally building monolithic structures takes time

[lethal moat]

Talking about the replicator is really tricky, reminds me of dark matter, we know what it does, we just don’t know what it is

[pale marsh]

dark matter pains me

[honest sierra]

It truly is no laughing matter

What’s the matter? Didn’t like the pun?

[pale marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-hitting-markiplier-gif-23574136

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[acoustic osprey]

however, it's either that he evolved to climb randomly
or Augustus was the only version in his lineage to finally showcase what they wanted

[honest sierra]

Only a matter of time till someone makes me begone

[lethal moat]

Depends, we’re they going for that specific result, or we’re they pleasantly surprised to see a change?

Or is it what the replicator wanted and AE let it happen?

[acoustic osprey]

well they have seemed to class it as anomalous behaviour

so, sounds like it was more so unexpected

[lethal moat]

Right, but then they replicated it, which makes me think that the replicator does what it thinks serves its own interests, and that happens to align with AE sometimes

[patent ginkgo]

I personally am a fan of the theory where the replicator has different ideas about how organisms can be better than AE does

Or rather, than humanity in general does

[lethal moat]

Right

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-gif-25156328

I wonder if the replicator has plans other than what AE thinks/wants

Because it seems like AE just want it to be a machine and make whatever they want when in fact it can probably make its own choices and decisions

I really need tapwing to draw a freaky replicator artwork

I js wanna see it engulfed in shadows with a bunch of dead bodies or something

[lethal moat]

You do not recognize the bodies in the water style stuff?

[low scarab]

What? Idk what u mean

[lethal moat]

It’s an analog horror thing

[low scarab]

Can you send it to me?

[ornate silo]

it’s all a simulation
A person goes into this simulation as a dinosaur to study prehistoric animal behaviors and lifestyles
The people going into the simulations as actual people are there witness it from the perspective of a human

[lethal moat]

Nah, it’s real life

[low scarab]

The isle is life

The isle is real

[ornate silo]

then describe the map border
A blue cage with no source of power nor end

[low scarab]

Ohhhhhh hold on I think I saw this a long time ago some weird monster that makes you think people are drowning or something and it kills people

[lethal moat]

Maybe?

[lethal moat]

Still in development or something by AE to contain the Dino’s

[ornate silo]

true

But what if

[acoustic osprey]

It's literally has no lore implications

[ornate silo]

dog everything in a game can be used as lore
Have you seen the game theory channel
Broh went on a 10 minute rant about a hole in a wall with nothing in it

[patent ginkgo]

"Broh"

[acoustic osprey]

You have clearly not seen my psychoanalysis on the Isle's lore

[lethal moat]

Check pinned comments lol

[acoustic osprey]

But I'm saying this because it's true
There is no lore implications of the blue wall

[patent ginkgo]

nor of spiro in general

[pseudo fable]

Blue wall is definitely just a thing we had to do and it was settled on that because it looked neat at a distance and very clearly says "Do not pass" up close.

[lethal moat]

Nice

Rumor has it, if you fly directly at the wall as fast as you can as a ptera, you can phase through

[iron anchor]

microsoft flight simulator

[low scarab]

Don was lurking

I wonder how many things he sees and just doesn’t comment on and let’s us run wild with our theories

[lethal moat]

I’d gather he does it quite a bit, I do it to our lore server all the time, it takes a lot of energy to deal with us

[acoustic osprey]

Visually was quite cool
And made sense

Full Spiro... A crazy fever dream of size

[low scarab]

I need to be a little more active in there

[acoustic osprey]

Insanity.
Always

Which is why Don should see my biotrace essay

But
However, Don, if you're still here

I would call this a far better iceberg then before

Granted, it's a combination of old lore and new

[pseudo fable]

Not sure why you'd keep certain parts that never going to be relevant again if you're trying to make it an appropriate iceberg.

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say mostly to create a certain oomph about the grandeur of such, albeit, it can be misleading without the given context

[lethal moat]

Mine was more of a joke than anything

[low scarab]

Well even if it’s not relevant information it’s still cool to know abt I’ve wished before we get to see a drop of irrelevant legacy lore

[acoustic osprey]

I still see your stuff as fun goofs, in which, don't worry, I was more so referring to an older older iceberg

Of even more niche and irrelevant lore nit picks and what nots

[pseudo fable]

I'd love to see it do a Game of Thrones Season 8 and become erased.

[lethal moat]

Dang

[acoustic osprey]

Don't worry, book should be coming out by 2025 now 😊

[low scarab]

U not proud of it or somethinf some parts of it were cool at least cool enough that chunks carried to evrima

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, it was more mismatched

And emptier

At least I used the straw poll with the info tiers

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly it would be really fun and cool- even making up some nice alternative lore via legacy stuff.

However, I can certainly imagine the pain and torture for those trying to understand the lore without being in the loop

Where you'd practically get a Scott Cawthon-amount of painstakingly confusing and mismatched understanding of Isle's lore

Within the general community that is

[acoustic osprey]

However, Rump, you going in and trying to find anything new with the new patch?

Currently away again, if you see anything just send it in the lore server

[lethal moat]

I’m at work for the next 3 hours, but yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Ah! Well have fun at work
I'll have a better look anyways later tonight too

[lethal moat]

As tempting as ppto is, I’d rather save it for when I need it

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[acoustic osprey]

Literally

[swift dagger]

So I'm reading in on the sanctuary stuff. What's with the bees? Does anybody know anything about them?

[acoustic osprey]

they bite

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat, but bees deal damage to things too large to be inside a sanctuary zone to prevent things too large from hanging around

[swift dagger]

I guess I should've been a tad bit more specific.
My question is something more along the lines of "are they just normal bees" or "are they something that is more befitting of being locked away in the Tartarus facility"?

[lethal moat]

Probably normal bees

[swift dagger]

Yeah. Though it'd be cool if they ended up being the latter.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/its-cool-dont-care-alright-gif-25250077

[brazen cradle]

So far I have only seen Galli's and Steg's at Highlands. GOOOOD

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[mortal hound]

am I the only one that sometimes equips the default creature skins just so I can be lore accurate lol, it's nerdy but it's fun to appreciate the base color schemes every now and then

[lethal moat]

?

[mortal hound]

idk if that made sense or not

[lethal moat]

The entire thing behind the replicator is making things different, so it'd be more lore accurate to pick a random skin every time

[mortal hound]

anyway, that new video on the youtube channel was really cool.

[lethal moat]

Ah yes, Augustus

[lethal moat]

Have you seen the lore docs yet?

[mortal hound]

that makes sense, I like thinking of it like that anyway

[mortal hound]

I have, I was spy tf2 but I lost access to that account since my email got messed up

[lethal moat]

Ah

Can I interest you in a lore server?

[mortal hound]

maybe later, I'll have to think about it if that's alright

since I definitely haven't been following the lore for nearly as long as all of you

[lethal moat]

I've only been here for a year and a half

[cerulean moth]

Is there a lore server? i'm trying to gather information and sum up the lore for something i want to make

[lethal moat]

Yep, check pinned comments for lore docs, and I'll send you a lore server invite.

[steel summit]

gen 1 appreciation

[strange shell]

We know the base Gen2 is called John Cake
I wonder what's the name of the Gen 1

[lethal moat]

'Friend'

[strange shell]

That's a fitting name

[steel summit]

good name

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[nimble fractal]

Friend shaped

[lethal moat]

They're very smiley

[acoustic osprey]

ah damn dude

[pseudo fable]

This is definitely a, "We needed something to do X and bees were chosen because the person behind the monitor understands the concept of, 'AH FK! BEES!'"

Don't look too hard into it.

[low scarab]

Wonder if we will see some lore drawings from tapwing sometime soon

[pseudo fable]

Possibly. We're setting up some stuff to accompany development so it's not just "Hurrr photo."

[iron anchor]

nice

[lethal moat]

On the note of lore drawings, is it right the the gen 2 are the normal looking “people” and the humans would all be in HAZMAT suites for concept arts going forward?

[pure lodge]

Not the chat for this

[low charm]

Ya thx saw right now i was wrong😅

[low scarab]

Nice I really want to see some more plant strains

[lethal moat]

It’s a lore theory tho

[low scarab]

And I wanna see the replicator

[amber nebula]

Help, I can't update to the new version

[steel summit]

if you're having trouble getting the update to get to steam just quit steam and relaunch it (use task manager), also this is #isle-lore-theories so its not really the right place for that

[steel summit]

if its accessing hordetest just paste the code from #announcements message into the beta selection on steam

[low scarab]

Why do people keep coming here for their questions?

[hexed flax]

Its a canon event

[iron anchor]

general chats are horrible for discussion because it’s 1 million messages per second

i do that on game discord servers too

[iron anchor]

someone sent a message after you and deleted it

[sour rivet]

Bee lore ? Bee Strains ? Bee ?

[unborn atlas]

Buzzbuzz

[icy onyx]

Bee phantom deadly

[keen belfry]

hey wanna send me an inv to that?

[acoustic osprey]

Nuh uh!

[pale marsh]

Forget bee lore
We need weevil lore

[lethal moat]

Matriarch’s early life lore

[swift echo]

primordial reveal

[acoustic osprey]

gone

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-what-stephen-colbert-im-busy-gif-12079238

pause

rewind?

[acoustic osprey]

old lore!

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/원숭이-손-내밀기-악수-줘-gif-9669458

idgaf

[lethal moat]

Begone

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-barking-angry-dog-awooga-barking-bark-gif-26891827

[mortal hound]

forgor to respond to this but it's all good

[dusk pier]

Where is ben 😕

[dusk pier]

Colusal when its born but its still small

[acoustic osprey]

Ah
True

[fallen locust]

i thought the Colossus evolve from the native humans?

[acoustic osprey]

No more native humans

and Colossus was a strained human of Tribals (Gen1s)

[fallen locust]

Aaaah i see i see

[acoustic osprey]

said the blind man

[fallen locust]

pft

[lethal moat]

I wonder if we'll ever learn the founder of Apollo?

[steel summit]

me

[steel summit]

gen 1 appreciation

[steel summit]

ᚷᛖᚾᛖᚱᚨᛏᛁᛟᚾ ᛟᚾᛖ

[flint falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[low scarab]

U gotta send the other one at least once

[steel summit]

No

[lethal moat]

I would not be surprised if they can’t make a bow and arrow, their claws probably wouldn’t allow them to do any fine crafting like that, but a spear wouldn’t be hard.

[strange shell]

"Bow"
"Fine crafting"

Bro I was making my own functional bows when I was 8, while wearing gloves

[steel summit]

maybe not bows that we are familiar with, but a bow wouldnt be too hard

[lethal moat]

My main issue would be making the twine for the string without shredding it with the claws

[strange shell]

It rather depends on Gen 1 having better precision movements than chimanzees than having claws or not

[lethal moat]

Fair

[low scarab]

Why it’s beautiful too

[rustic shore]

Anyone got the photo of the humans next to the troodons eating the body?

[agile stump]

There you go 🙂

[lethal moat]

I think it’s interesting how the blood starts inside the door and leads out to the body

Could just be drainage tho

[kindred bobcat]

why they gotta interrupt the family dinner like that man

[ionic sable]

I wonder how long it'll be before the model is done.

[steel summit]

hope its soon

[mortal hound]

gen 1 mains rise up

[rustic shore]

thank you

[grand sigil]

Apparently Jake finished his model making contract for Isle before he left
So who knows, it could have been secretly made already like Acro, Shant, etc
If all that stuff is true

[tribal osprey]

so triangles?

[lethal moat]

Triangles

[lethal moat]

Multiple places around the map, but not all of them would be effective at stopping erosion, some people think it’s anti-vehicle barriers, I don’t know what they are though

Dondi is definitely watching us struggle over this knowing full well it’s just for erosion

[low scarab]

Exactly what I was abt to say

[acoustic osprey]

as per the comments of my fellows above.
You can read these statements of when we first saw such in the embargo lift
#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

[fossil nebula]

Those triangle things look to be akin to hedgehogs which were used commonly in ww2 to stop tanks or armored cars going a specific way or hindering movement

[sand seal]

Strong wave or tsunami protection.

[fossil nebula]

since they are concrete that makes sense

[sand seal]

Not impossible that a large enough wave hit that pushed many of them up the rivers or embankments - but that's the most likely think they could be. They're very common around manmade outcroppings or inlets.

Your island may not be naturally occurring.

[lethal moat]

They’re only inland tho

[patent ginkgo]

And in a river that has a dam at one end and a massive cliff at the other

[sand seal]

Oh, I don't play the game, I didn't know.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that it's to keep something in the water then.

[patent ginkgo]

It did occur to me that they could be to keep deinos away from maintenance crews working on the bridges, as they do stop deinos quite well

[frigid topaz]

I wonder if Herrera’s going to be an insectivore because I’ve been finding some insect spots on trees.

[patent ginkgo]

no, those are bees in the santuaries. Theyre just for keeping large dinos out

[lethal moat]

Nothings able to eat bees or honey rn, and I don’t know about devs ever talking about it

[frigid topaz]

Do they attack the large Dino’s?

[lethal moat]

Anything above a certain growth except for troodons

[frigid topaz]

Thank you <3

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[acoustic osprey]

I could imagine such
especially with the triangles on the river delta
via a tsunami

however, I'm unsure of how large we could go via a tsunami
especially with how far in the triangles are within

especially with their placement being quite randomly concentrated in two areas
in which, due to no sign of a billabong, feels very awkward for the triangles ending in those two locations

[languid monolith]

what if the triangle things were meant to keep large deinosuchus out of areas? Or hell, a barricade to keep large things from getting into areas?

Or some large carnivore likes to smash vehicle barricades around?

[acoustic osprey]

the problem is, they're hollow and show no sign of specific placement

sure they could've been in the past.
But you'd imagine something where no deinos, young or old, could actually get through

[languid monolith]

Could've been transported to those areas for storage. There's a lot of factors of why or how they were used for.

Could have been even ditched because they didn't have a use anymore.

[lethal moat]

The problem is, we’ve seen them in multiple spots, only ever close to bridges, but far enough away in some instances I don’t think it’s for erosion, I like the anti-Deino theory to give employees time to vacate the area if something pops up

[sly merlin]

Lore, is just LORE.

[iron anchor]

there was theories of the island being in south asia? tsunamis happen there right? also the people theorizing south asia were the botonist guys

[patent ginkgo]

[iron anchor]

lol

[patent ginkgo]

My revised analysis says that it seems to be off of central/south america, but there’s also eucalyptus trees so idk anymore

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it can be anywhere.
Especially with the capabilities of Apollo's botany research, they could make anything survive anywhere that has life

[patent ginkgo]

Yeah, that’s what I’ve gotten to thinking

[iron anchor]

well at the minimum its near the equator

no snow in the isle

[lethal moat]

I'd say it's probably within the tropics

[strange shell]

So I heard bees deal damage proportional to your weight ?
That must be how the Island Walker died
It got stung by bees

[fallow harbor]

all ***dino ***models are finished, i know thats 100% confirmed. idk about gen 1 stuff tho

[acoustic osprey]

was the statement given about dino models
or models themselves?

[fallow harbor]

i pretty sure dino models

cuz i know tree modles and stuff like that arent finished

[acoustic osprey]

because, we know he did Environmental Assets as well

[steel summit]

Gen 1 appreciation

[grand sigil]

tisso reaper appreciation wen??

[steel summit]

Here ya go

[iron anchor]

Lol true

best theory i heard

[magic helm]

Sorry if I'm late to this topic and answers were already given, but I wonder what the humans are gonna be able to do and what their purpose will be in the game aside from just rebuilding bases (that's one of the things confirmed that they would be able to do, right? )

[steel summit]

We do not know what the purpose of gen 2 is no

[low scarab]

This explains everything

[meager junco]

To be sacrificed for Gen 1 duh

[sweet halo]

in war they were used to stop tanks or heavy vehicles

but why they are there idk

[patent ginkgo]

The way I see it, the two semi likely explanations would be to protect maintenance crews at the bases of bridges from Deinos, or as erosion control

However, both of those have reasons against them

[long veldt]

i think they might have fallen off of something. They look haphazard and poorly spaced

[patent ginkgo]

I would think that too but they’re underneath bridges on a specific river, one that also happens to have a lot of Deinos in it

[lethal moat]

Right, I’m another spot, they’re near a bridge, but far enough off they wouldn’t have fallen there, but still have been dumped there

[patent ginkgo]

Is that by the really big bridge, slightly down river?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[patent ginkgo]

That seems to me like where a bridge used to be, as it has the same rocks that the one in the forest is built on and has roads connecting to both sides

Also I think Isaac had the same conclusion in one of his streams

[acoustic osprey]

which one

[lethal moat]

The one near the largest bridge

[acoustic osprey]

the triangles are near it below a supposed area that should have a bridge?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167327752744087613/1167598342293950564/20231028095824_1.jpg?ex=65612ab1&is=654eb5b1&hm=b6df2435e4d0c75ad74fba6a3cce99e86874551c8ea399f3c945c99f0ad7eb24&

[lethal moat]

Yeah, I heard about that afterwords, I like that theory

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147161198408781864/1172940923181748234/image-32.png?ex=6562255c&is=654fb05c&hm=fd57b78ea429ce73497aaeebf3aaf3e4ae631228600a518ed636968bbdeaf9b6&

[pseudo forge]

graphic cards

[stone wedge]

Sadly don prefers the other one

[acoustic osprey]

or, key card...

[acoustic osprey]

didn't he say the first?

[lethal moat]

It’s a key card

[stone wedge]

Nah, he posted the v2 in discussion channel yesterday and got mad at me when i said v1 was superior

[fossil nebula]

scp keycards

[acoustic osprey]

either he prefers it more #isle-discussion message

or he doesn't care which is superior

[acoustic osprey]

Stage 1 Clearance card!!

[pseudo forge]

scp in the isle? scp = hypo?

the isle is scp?

[acoustic osprey]

looks like it says Keycard

[pseudo forge]

mat pat in fnaf movie?

[stone wedge]

Lololo

Acoustic overload

[pseudo forge]

lalo Salamanca?

breaking bad? the isle? dinosaurs? theories?

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/796871137530347520/1057648391540183121/20221006_174036-1.gif

[stone wedge]

The rabbit hole goes deeper

[pseudo forge]

Rabbits? deeper? like maybe this is peter rabbit in the isle?

if so then what about winnie the pooh?

mariana trench? deeper?

[lethal moat]

You already in the lore server?

[stone wedge]

No go deeper

[pseudo forge]

uhhh

WAIT

[long veldt]

lore server?

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat do you remember when this was posted?

[lethal moat]

I want to say within the last week

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

I'm asking Run, as Run posted it
but I'm curious

it could be related to Clearance cards
as it has Keycard written on it

[stone wedge]

Have you gone deep enough yet

[pseudo forge]

the isle takes place in a alternate universe where ingen was overtaken by a farmisutical company known as not biosyn but Apollo and the exact same events happened because it was a cannon event and Spiderman across the spider verse is cannon cuz its a parallel reality

hahh... that was a mouthfull

[acoustic osprey]

Agricultural company

[pseudo forge]

same differernce

it was a farmocutical company in another reality

[acoustic osprey]

you will not like this when I put hay and replace it with your medicine

[pseudo forge]

and i could spell in another reality

[acoustic osprey]

Pharmaceutical company

[pseudo forge]

hay is for horses dummy

[pseudo forge]

ty

[acoustic osprey]

however, Apollo own a pharmaceutical company
Apollo Pharmacueticals North

[lethal moat]

I thought they were floppy disks for a second and I got excited

[stone wedge]

Is gateway a reference to doom?

[pseudo forge]

bingo

[acoustic osprey]

no

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[pseudo forge]

HERE I GO AGAIN

[long veldt]

i presume the dinos are having something harvested from them

[stone wedge]

You know, since the isle lore and hell are so deep

[pseudo forge]

so the name gateway is derived to the gateway of hell meaning in this reality hell is real and with hell so is the slayer. apollo created the hypos as a way of protected the gateway from hell and potentially stopping the slayer if he were to turn on man

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, i believe floppy disks could be used as a authentication token (keycard)

[pseudo forge]

because its a cannon event

[acoustic osprey]

It's more so in reference to how it's a gateway to Tartarus

[pseudo forge]

the tartis?

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus

[pseudo forge]

dr hwo?

[stone wedge]

Enter Gordon Freeman

[pseudo forge]

dr who?

ok so

[long veldt]

greek religion for essentially hell pit

[acoustic osprey]

underground/hidden Facility within Gateway
in Legacy lore, the place Strains were made

[long veldt]

deep pit that is coincidentally alive and also hell

[acoustic osprey]

in Evrima lore, atm, we know it's a, from the little we know, a prison of sorts

[long veldt]

trapping people or dinos

or is it both

[lethal moat]

You want a lore server invite?

[acoustic osprey]

we know Apollo have used Tartarus

as a threat as a hold area for employees who betray company secrets or access restricted documents

[pseudo forge]

so in this reality dr who is also real and as we all know gordon freeman is related to morgan freeman and we know that morgan freeman is god and so gordon freeman must be jesus incarnated and the whole greek mythology thing is that dr who thought it was cool and with him being friends with morgan (god) he created apollo because he wanted to play and feel like god while creating dinosaurs

[long veldt]

i was explaining tartarus but no i do not need one

[stone wedge]

Standing...

[acoustic osprey]

It is likely, in Gateway, a mixture of Legacy's Tartarus and akin to Hellenistic Tartarus
IF it's relatively big, likely both a place they create specific things- such as strains- in which they store them, as if imprisoned, like a Titan.

[pseudo forge]

which explains why he created the hypos to stop hell since god doesnt want hell spilling into the rest of the world

btw watch bruce allmighty if you dont know why i am saying morgan freeman is god

[acoustic osprey]

however, a bit 50/50
due to company workers being threatened if they do not have properly clearance when looking at locked content

[stone wedge]

I bet berkan and dondi are friends in real life

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[pseudo forge]

which leads me to my next theory

jim carrey is in the isle

[acoustic osprey]

please walt!!

[pseudo forge]

but i already connected breaking bad with the isle?

ok fine

[stone wedge]

And half life

[pseudo forge]

OHH

[long veldt]

i am presuming that strains are not coming to gateway?

[pseudo forge]

THAT BRINGS ME TO ANOTHER THEORY

[acoustic osprey]

no, they are still confirmed
but on launch? Likely no

[pseudo forge]

ill stop

[long veldt]

tartarus breaks, strain gets out

[pseudo forge]

what is tartarus?

i keep hearing about it

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

Potentially the reason why the map is/was abandoned

[long veldt]

im presuming that it is supposed to rupture for lore reasons

[pseudo forge]

so its a housing area for strains?

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

[long veldt]

it was

and is not currently

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know if it holds Strains in Evrima lore
only legacy lore

[long veldt]

but never was

[stone wedge]

Ace ventura and the isle share the same universe

Don't ask me why

[pseudo forge]

so would it would be a big deal if it were to idk release or smth?

[long veldt]

where is afformentioned pit

[pseudo forge]

no because jim carrey is cannon and ace ventura would be a clone

it would break the cannon

[stone wedge]

Which version of jim carrey are you referring to?

[pseudo forge]

https://tenor.com/view/2099-spiderverse-miguel-o'hara-spider-man-spider-man-2099-gif-15608616582087923057

[long veldt]

#isle-discussion message

[pseudo forge]

the best one

[acoustic osprey]

gone

Don said Tribal pit is replaced with Altar

[stone wedge]

I wasn't aware jim carrey was spiderman

[long veldt]

#isle-discussion message

[pseudo forge]

ight im going to sleep my brain hurts from all the lore

[pseudo forge]

no hes not i just put him there cuz hes also cannon

[long veldt]

the who the what now

[acoustic osprey]

Dondi

[long veldt]

which one is tribal pit

which one is altar

[acoustic osprey]

were you not referring to the pit?

[long veldt]

they moved tartarus?

or changed it?

tartarus is my afforementioned pit

[acoustic osprey]

oh

no, we don't know what Tartarus looks like
nor how big it is

just that Gateway is the gateway to Tartarus

thought you were referring to this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1171947076880449698/89bb7289807460523a8e1b938c99625e-png.png?ex=655e87c4&is=654c12c4&hm=f65927e1e8e83ced8f082268a4a5ebac89e6f2d174b50d654f2e1eb2ad891fcd&

[long veldt]

im presuming tartarus is a huge cave

totk style

apollo found it and used it

[acoustic osprey]

I more so less hope such

[long veldt]

maybe using an artificial sun (tying back into apollo) to create a fake above ground to test products

products which may or may not have been dinosaurs

[random copper]

Is this legacy or evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

old legacy

[random copper]

ah ok. Hope gen 1s will be able to build something similar to that. or repurpose gen1 bases.

[lethal moat]

Dondi mentioned something about playing with the idea that gen 1 could build on top of human structures

[random copper]

Would that be an option or the only way to build anything as gen1?

[lethal moat]

No clue, just mentioned it once as a thought, nothing set in stone

[random copper]

fair enough

[acoustic osprey]

Sir Robinson confirmed it was by VisualTech

WHICH
is actually really good

now have to see if the different colours refer to "Clearance Level"
or just "haha funny colour"

[lethal moat]

Dibs on the red one

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/purplecrumbs-thats-confidential-confidential-that-is-confidential-classified-gif-25667385

[acoustic osprey]

I'm surprised there is no "White" or "Black"
as, especially White, could easily refer to the "highest level" to symbolise the White of The Heavens- Olympus

[lethal moat]

Might save that for employee badges, black being those imprisoned in tartarus, White being 'overseers' and the other colors show their clearance

[acoustic osprey]

yeah true

just don't SW it Don 🙂

nothing makes sense
unless you want to spite

[random copper]

would gen2s have low clearance, high clearance or none at all? Because they're test subjects, I thought AE would treat them more as disposable blue collar workers.

[acoustic osprey]

I would say Gen2s have basically as much clearance as a rat does in a lab

[lethal moat]

Gen 2s are wack, they're there after the island has been abandoned, there clearence is whatever access card they can find if I had to guess

[acoustic osprey]

there's the question

Were they there after or before "the incident"

[random copper]

I think it was after

they're sent by AE to clean up the mess that was left

[acoustic osprey]

well, we don't even know such

[random copper]

i wanna know why AE left it so long though

[lethal moat]

In game, we're here after, which makes me think they have clearance to whatever they can access

[acoustic osprey]

that's only to what we can presume so

[acoustic osprey]

if they find "X" keycard

[random copper]

something as dangerous as strains and gen1s breaking out of tartarus i wouldn't let them roam around for years

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

it would be interesting
some sort of "Locked access" system

"Keeper of the Keycards"

[lethal moat]

I'm not responsible enough for that stuff, I'll stick to being the armorer, thanks

All of you get knives and crowbars, I'll guard the car with the shotgun and revolver

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Would be interesting to have a squad of gen 2, each being a specialist in their own field

[acoustic osprey]

if it's not locked classes

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/meet-the-sniper-gif-9022732005398095940

[acoustic osprey]

I would much prefer such

[random copper]

a class system like mutations, but for humans, and it doesn't take an ingame lifetime to achieve?

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of anybody being able to choose their own loadout, with restrictions on how much they can carry and stuff, like project zomboid

[acoustic osprey]

I'd prefer something more dynamic

akin to PZ
where your "characteristics" (perks) are enhanced by your lifestyle

[random copper]

I like the idea of acquiring a class over time rather than starting off with a preset

yeah basically what isaac said

[lethal moat]

I mix of Tarkov, Arma, and Project zomboid for the items system would be really cool, not even mentioning what you could do to customize your gen 2 without items

[random copper]

I'm not familiar with those games, what's their item system like?

[acoustic osprey]

you're limited to what you can hold
weight system as well

[lethal moat]

Space it takes up, weight, and customizations change things

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't mind having some sort of item weight

[random copper]

would fitness play a part in what weight you can carry?

[acoustic osprey]

restricts the player from hoarding Guns on hand

[acoustic osprey]

likely not.
MAYBE a potential perk, but might be turned into a meta

[lethal moat]

I doubt it, since Gen 2's already look great

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[random copper]

unless they starve, but then again we've got no idea how their survival works. They might have dry foods on hand by default

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[lethal moat]

Wonder how gen 2s will log, maybe get back to a base, put stuff in a locker and sleep? Could a car be stored in a garage? Are gen 2's presence on the island an experiment? Oh so many questions

[acoustic osprey]

I remember them, back in Legacy, talking about such

I think Anth asked how they would log if they out in the wilderness
I believe they will just lie down

[lethal moat]

Maybe just be able to keep what they can carry on their person?

[acoustic osprey]

when they log?

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[random copper]

I thik it should be a bit harder than that, human should only be able to log if it's near or in a shelter

or sitting at a campfire maybe

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as lockers exist in-game
it could be either all lockers are locked, even if it's taken by others

OR you have to basically do an ARK

and hope no one takes your stuff

[random copper]

don't like that, too insecure. that would encourage u spend every day playing as the same thing just to ensure u don't lose your stuff

and that doesn't take into account server restarts either

[lethal moat]

Wrap it up and hide it on the edge of a sanctuary

[acoustic osprey]

like ARK

in which, is a reason why I severely dislike ARK

as you're forced to be more 24/7

[random copper]

Does Rust do that too?

[acoustic osprey]

believe so as well

[random copper]

all the items are server side

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't mind going "pirate" and digging it in the ground

[lethal moat]

Feels like more of something gen 1 would do, I like the locker idea

[random copper]

yeah that's neat, if you just lost ur base to gen1s or something like that u can have some backup stash

[acoustic osprey]

it would become a bit "clunky" if Gen2 items just spawn into a base
especially if the base is currently being owned/used by another

[acoustic osprey]

i guess it comes to if the devs want that sort of system.
Imagine spawning into a base that's hostile

but I guess the same goes for Dinosaurs

but spawning into a building is more concentrated
in contrast to a Dinosaur spawning back in a location with a hostile dinosaur right next to it

[random copper]

is there no grace period when u spawn in?

[lethal moat]

Interested to see how it plays out, but back to lore over game development

[acoustic osprey]

like a temp shield? No

[acoustic osprey]

rename channel to Isle Lore Discussion

[lethal moat]

Not my choice, one of the reasons I made the lore server though

[acoustic osprey]

https://strawpoll.com/3RnYlKGE9ye vote vote vote!!

[lethal moat]

Also, human = HAZMAT vs normal=gen 2 theory is still up for debate

[lethal moat]

Already did

[acoustic osprey]

not you!!

[acoustic osprey]

i saw this is likely the case
if not, it's a small little motif in which feels a bit repetitive (if not Hazmats being normal Humans)

[random copper]

curious as to why those people were wearing hazmats in that artwork in the latest devblog

[lethal moat]

We also have hazmats in another thing as well

[random copper]

in the quetz concept art it made more sense because the robot quetz might of had toxic components to it

[acoustic osprey]

it's basically the same with Drone Quetz

[lethal moat]

Quetz concept

[random copper]

but why would they wear hazmat on an island? fear of contaminating the dinosaurs or introducing diseases?

[lethal moat]

I think it's just humans before the fall vs gen 2 after the fall being visualized

[acoustic osprey]

it's likely a mandatory outfit for engineers/scientists
knowing that Neuro-Goo (fake name) existed in Legacy lore

[lethal moat]

That's (one of) the million dollar question(s)

[mortal hound]

Haha goo

[acoustic osprey]

System Access Locked
Awaiting User Input
. . .
Site AE-12 Verified
Sat Link Verified
. . .
Syscheck Error
Network Integrity
Compromised
. . .
Electromagnetic
Fluctuation Detected
In Sector 4
. . .
-Search Query-
AE System Directory
Site I-04 / AE---
. . .
Sector H4
Lockdown Protocol Reset
. . .
Req. VDoc #47
Fatality Investigation Report
. . .
Indent
AE-012. TRX 8443
Req. Val: N/A
. . .
Apollo Core
O N L I N E
. . .
WARNING!
Gateway Containment Failure
. . .
-Search Query-
AE System Directory
Site I-04 / AE---
. . .
ERROR- Insufficient Replicator
Purging Data Buffers
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
Triangulating Asset Location
. . .
Updating Island-Manifest. . .
. . .
Applying Ultraviolet Protection
. . .
Updating Island-Manifest. . .
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
. . .
Cortex Corruption Level
Within Acceptable Parameters
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
Selecting Target
For Imaging. . .
. . .
ERROR- Insufficient Replicator Data
Purging Data Buffers

Rump
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I JUST REALISED

Sector H4
Lockdown Protocol Reset

[lethal moat]

H4 you say, isn't that from the augustus vid?

[random copper]

h4 where a base is on gateqay?

gateway

[acoustic osprey]

🤦‍♂️ how did I not realise

[acoustic osprey]

YES.

damn, I feel stupid

alas, I will put this down in your doc

as a footnote

[lethal moat]

This may be old stuff, but I feel smug knowing that neuros were involved with H4 like I thought

The other option was the replicator, but we'll ignore that

[acoustic osprey]

note "Applying Ultraviolet Protection"

this could answer potentially a bit of your question (for Legacy) @random copper

[lethal moat]

Sunscreen

[random copper]

the question regarding the hazmats?

[acoustic osprey]

probably

or just, they're referring to Sunscreen

unless these are extreme Ultraviolet rays

[lethal moat]

Also, Hazmat vs neuro theory semi-validated by old stuff that is no longer confirmed

I am on a roll, next, I predict Dondi will give us matriarch concept art alongside those template things he said he'd give us

[acoustic osprey]

this is also for Evrima's loading screen

[random copper]

templates for what?

[acoustic osprey]

check the flashing text on the top left

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-grin-smirk-bad-gif-19562077

[lethal moat]

bottom of most recent devblog

[mortal hound]

Am I still eligible to join that lore server?

[acoustic osprey]

give template!!

[lethal moat]

Req. VDoc #47
Fatality Investigation Report

I don't want to assume this is agustus

[acoustic osprey]

Electromagnetic fluctuation is also very interesting

[lethal moat]

Neuro time

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[mortal hound]

Couldn’t the neuro stuff do that? Like neuro Spino emp

[acoustic osprey]

possibly

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as they could control the weather, in Legacy Lore.
And Echidna literally being able to create short-range communications using human voices she heard

[mortal hound]

I don’t have an image but I do think I know what echidna (at least used to) look like

[lethal moat]

Neuros telling our lil herrera fella to go after cameras is interesting, because you'd think that the replicator would want cameras to stay

[acoustic osprey]

ANY PERSONNEL EXPOSED TO DIRECT CONTACT WITH ANY TYPE-N BIO-MATERIALS ARE TO BE CONSIDERED EXPENDABLE AND EXPUNGED ALONG WITH ANY BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINANTS FROM CODE ECHIDNA

This is the reference to Neuro-Goo

[pulsar moss]

Was it something official that they could control the weather or something completely made up from the community?

[mortal hound]

Yeah, I was right cool

[acoustic osprey]

A thing Don referred to back in Legacy ages ago

[pulsar moss]

Ok

[acoustic osprey]

this was on stream, though, ages ago

[lethal moat]

Just noticed the smoke around her cankles, could that be more than just dramatic background, maybe some sort of spore or something

[iron anchor]

what for, spreading the strain?

[random copper]

what, like it's made of fungus?

[acoustic osprey]

could be dramatic

[lethal moat]

Could not be tho

[acoustic osprey]

The Last of Us

[iron anchor]

zomb

[random copper]

the isle's clicker

[pulsar moss]

its disease

[mortal hound]

@lethal moat Did you see this btw

[lethal moat]

I did not, I was at work, I'll send you the thingy

[mortal hound]

Coolio

So was the replicator the thing that AE used to create the life?

[lethal moat]

I just said spores to represent something random, I ment some sort of toxin or something

[lethal moat]

It's how they make dinosaurs

That's most of what we know

[mortal hound]

That’s what I thought

[random copper]

so neuro-goo is toxic, or contagious? perhaps that's how gen1s progress into the eyeless.

[mortal hound]

I thought I remember someone saying that the gen 1’s would try and like sacrifice stuff to the replicator or something

[lethal moat]

I doubt it's contagous, most likely toxic or radioactive

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

Bio-materials makes me refer to it being "Goo" (either literally or figuratively in the sense of it being a material)

[random copper]

if its radioactive doesn't that mean a neuro even just being in a forest would kill the plants, as well as animals?

[acoustic osprey]

depends on how the actual material interacts with animal flesh vs plant flesh

like, not all viruses affect us
like not all viruses affect dogs, other animals, etc

[random copper]

I'd like to think it makes you part of the neuro, like a hivemind.

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt it's toxic sludge though

[lethal moat]

They eat with the straw tongue and acidic fluids last I remember, could mean something like that

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat when you can, go to bottom of lore doc

[lethal moat]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

aye, used to be sacrificing each other and yourself
but now it seems like you're sacrificing things such as Gen2s

[acoustic osprey]

thank you

[random copper]

last i saw anything about a neuro eating things with its tongue was in a catbug animation, didn't think it was part of the official lore.

[pulsar moss]

That was only the N-spino that could do that, no ?

[acoustic osprey]

@raven anchor you have the gif on hand, i believe

[lethal moat]

No clue, spino is the only neuro we ever knew anything about, and it might be getting a redesign like the hypers

[mortal hound]

Oh interesting, was having trouble what to make of the image. Saw human or gen 2 skulls and then like a Dino skull

[acoustic osprey]

this image @mortal hound ?

[mortal hound]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Worship the camera

[acoustic osprey]

that image is very old, they're likely some sort of Human heads
mostly likely Human (Mercs at the time)

the thing on the top is a CCTV camera

[mortal hound]

Ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

ah, this

[random copper]

why have teeth when u have a spear tongue

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Is funny, but old tapwing stuff has the tongue pointed out specifically as well

[lethal moat]

self defense

[random copper]

ah yes don't underestimate the tiny dinosaur about to get eaten, very dangerous

[mortal hound]

Is there a sequel, I need to know if hypo Spino musters up the courage to ask neuro spino on a date

[lethal moat]

Didn't make it, not going to look for fear of r34

[mortal hound]

Fair

[lethal moat]

Most likely against apexes or other strains

[random copper]

anyone else think the N spino design looks a bit too angular?

[lethal moat]

I like it

[mortal hound]

Also is this where the Spino gross emoji came from

[mortal hound]

I think the neuro designs are amazing tbh

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[lethal moat]

Don't know, I've only been here for a year and a half, I purposely block out old lore/old community stuff half the time

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-gif-14095863

[lethal moat]

I do like the idea of studying different strain behaviors

Tissos would likely turn themselves into a blender and eat the mince meat of whatever they attacked

[random copper]

thought all they wanted to do was kill. Except maybe neuros, because they have heightened intelligence.

[mortal hound]

I assumed they would do this

[lethal moat]

Hypers eat because they have to, we know very little about the others, especially tisso (matriarch my beloved)

[mortal hound]

I don’t think I’ve heard of tisso

[lethal moat]

Tissoplastic

[mortal hound]

I’ve heard of the primal carnage magnus strain that isn’t canon anymore though

[lethal moat]

Small, fast, possibly venemous and spikey and active camoflage, though everything I've just said is theorized based on unofficial tapwing art

[random copper]

was magnus meant to be a more viable hypo strain or was that the type Os?

[mortal hound]

I think magnus and type O is the same thing idk

[lethal moat]

The first one, type-o was scrapped before we even knew what it was

[mortal hound]

Oh

[random copper]

designs are really nice

[mortal hound]

I heard somewhere that hypers will eventually always die from starvation no matter how much they eat, is that still correct?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[random copper]

yep, their metabolism was too demanding.

[lethal moat]

Really sad it's unofficial

[random copper]

for now at least

[mortal hound]

Maybe we can hold on hope for the unlikely chance they’ll use it anyway

[random copper]

my favourite unofficial design is the Type N carno

[lethal moat]

I like the matriarch, but you know, my opinion is right

[random copper]

matriarch a more unstable or perfected version of tissos?

[lethal moat]

Byproduct of research

[random copper]

and i heard it was able to shapeshift, or act like a parasite?

[lethal moat]

It evolves as it grows, in tapwing's lore, it is what it eats

[random copper]

ok so parasite but it kills the host and uses it as a bodysuit

[lethal moat]

No

[random copper]

mb i misread

[lethal moat]

Parasite most likely originates from this phase, where it isn't big enough to kill anything

Then it killed things and ate them, using their bodies as a genetic code to grow into it's next form

[random copper]

that its original form before it becomes what it eats, or do we not know?

[lethal moat]

All in tapwing lore though, we know it evolves super fast in the isle, but thats it

[lethal moat]

That is stage 1 yeah

[random copper]

ah ok

[lethal moat]

In the unofficial thingy, here is my size comparison of stage 6

[random copper]

dang that's kaiju levels of size

was there only ever 1 matriarch in the lore or multiple?

[acoustic osprey]

we just knew it existed

[lethal moat]

It starts small and gets big as it evolves as it grows

[lethal moat]

In tapwing's lore, there was at least two, but once again, that's unofficial

[acoustic osprey]

User Inquiry: The Matriarch
Coinciding with objective parameters to complete an
EIP.
I have developed a completely adaptable organism within Tartarus.
Once another profile is complete, the Matriarch will
redistribute within the observable areas of Tartarus for study.
It is not correct to call it a dinosaur, but I have not given it a name.

however, that's more so for EIPs

[lethal moat]

Thats all the old official stuff we have on it

All we know for now is that it exists and that it's a byproduct of tissoplastic experimentation

[mortal hound]

It’s grows so much in only 6 stages which I find funny and cool tbh

[random copper]

hard to believe all this is to better humanity when there's all this mad scientist monsters being created

[lethal moat]

It is presumibly to better humanity, we still don't know the why behind pretty much anything

[random copper]

or AE just has a lot of scientists doing questionable experiments on the side, without AE's knowledge

that's the only way i can believe AE isn't an inherently bad company, if they just have cases of rogue scientists.

[mortal hound]

Also are there drawings like this for every stage? I would like to see

[lethal moat]

Bet

1

2

3

4

5

[random copper]

yo that one looks like a wyvern

[lethal moat]

6

Keep in mind all of these are unofficial

[mortal hound]

Ye

Still cool though

[lethal moat]

We know it's not 'generic evil company'

[random copper]

that design meant to be based off deinsuchus or megalania?

[lethal moat]

Probably deino, let me check real quick

Deino

According to Tapwing lore

[random copper]

tapwing got a whole alternative universe going on

[lethal moat]

This was before they were on the dev team