isle-lore-theories

[solar cobalt]

Hahah

Hahahaha aaaahhh I'm dying nice joke

You made my hour

Anyway bro where to find the hyper stones?🤣

[strange shell]

Like I would tell you

[brazen cradle]

Me when avoiding Hypers is easy

[solar cobalt]

Hahaha

[brazen cradle]

Literally, log out and they starve to death because there is nothing to feed them

[solar cobalt]

Dude i will break in your house today

[solar cobalt]

Facts

[brazen cradle]

Also, probably best to just take this to #isle-discussion at this point

Most of the lore in-game is supposed to be found out through documents or just text-based stuff in general(unless the plan changed) so I doubt you'll really be interacting with the Collossus or Echidna, etc.

[solar cobalt]

Too many greek mythology references

[acoustic osprey]

No

[modern rover]

mate its called apollo

[brazen cradle]

Obv if anything changed this is havily outdated

[solar cobalt]

WT IS HYDRA?!!!!

[acoustic osprey]

not a thing

[modern rover]

when was hydra referenced

[sour rivet]

What if

[solar cobalt]

Lol the best name

[acoustic osprey]

i would say the opposite

[solar cobalt]

And not used

What a waste

[brazen cradle]

??

[modern rover]

what?

[solar cobalt]

Hydra

[modern rover]

what about it lol

its just a name

[solar cobalt]

It's lol

[modern rover]

they used tarturus, which is infinitely cooler

[acoustic osprey]

the only thing is that the more "Lore focused around you, the player" is less defined now
but this is still very prominent, the image you sent

[modern rover]

i hope they have a strain animal named "typhon" in tarturus lol

[brazen cradle]

Well yeah, I just meant, if they changed the idea of "Figure the lore out through environment" it'd be heavily outdated

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[brazen cradle]

You're confusing me Isaac.

[acoustic osprey]

Isle's lore is still going to be, and still is, within the world building of the actual in-game world

[brazen cradle]

Yeah, so then nothing changed

[acoustic osprey]

practically

[brazen cradle]

But that, my friend, is why I said IF

[acoustic osprey]

if anything changed this is havily outdated

[brazen cradle]

Yes

IF anything changed, the way to tell the story is heavily outdated to the steam page

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, what do you mean about "IF anything changed"

[brazen cradle]

Not the lore changing.

[brazen cradle]

The way you find out about the lore. Not the lore itself

[acoustic osprey]

the game changing?
The lore changing?

[solar cobalt]

So dudes it's not Jurassic park anymore it's ARK

Literally

[strange shell]

It never was Jurassic Park
But it's still not Ark

[brazen cradle]

It hasn't been JP I don't get where people get that idea from

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it's more akin to JP

[strange shell]

If it has dinos, it's either JP or Ark
There's nothing else

[solar cobalt]

It's ARK we have super creatures and impossible beings

[strange shell]

Just as I said

[brazen cradle]

Bro does not like fiction 💀

[solar cobalt]

Yes

[strange shell]

If your universe has super creatures and impossible beings, then it's not Ark
It's DBZ

Or D&D

Or Resident Evil

Or Monster Hunter

[brazen cradle]

Guys, he said he doesn't like fiction that tells us all

[solar cobalt]

Don't like them all

[strange shell]

Or Warcraft
Do I need to make an entire list ?

[solar cobalt]

If you want

[strange shell]

I don't want to I only have 60 years left to live

[brazen cradle]

So you like real-story telling then

[solar cobalt]

At least like in alien movies

[brazen cradle]

That is fiction.

[strange shell]

But they're not real

[solar cobalt]

But i don't like them too because of stupid behaviour of people

[modern rover]

i mean probably lol

[solar cobalt]

LOL LETS TAKE OFF OUR HELMETS

[brazen cradle]

Please tell me you at least like Star Wars 💀

[solar cobalt]

Old ones yeah, but not sequels

Because it's fantasy

[brazen cradle]

So, Sci-Fi then

[solar cobalt]

Star wars don't pretend to be something serious

[acoustic osprey]

because it was made for kids and families

[solar cobalt]

Oh no, they do

[modern rover]

so you dont like fiction that takes its universe seriously lol

[acoustic osprey]

until you read the books, the comics, Legends-series

[solar cobalt]

So Many technical manuals

With real explanations of their technologies

[modern rover]

wait so you dont like SCP even though the entire point of that universe is essentially explaining how a certain anomaly works i literally cannot understand you

[brazen cradle]

Well I mean TI's Lore is Sci-Fi where us, the community, have to figure out the sotry and lore

[solar cobalt]

SCP is cool, in idea but now it's full of stupid objects

Semen eater 166 was one of the first

[sour rivet]

SCP - 2373 makes your balls explode

[modern rover]

you're hyperfixated on one scp

[solar cobalt]

That's what I'm talking about!

[modern rover]

specifically the most sexual one you could find

lol

[solar cobalt]

Yeah yeah

[brazen cradle]

I like Tribals, been excited for them fora long tim

[modern rover]

you honestly just dont seem to like any fiction that doesn't immediately answer every question you may have

[solar cobalt]

Lol dude how to take seriously a universe with a thing that blows balls?

[modern rover]

our universe have things that do that did you know

crazy

[solar cobalt]

Bullets? I know how they work lol

[modern rover]

also the funny thing is you got totally gaslit because that 2373 literally doesn't do that

you just took it at face value lol

[solar cobalt]

Who is 2373?

[modern rover]

essentially proving you dont like things that aren't immediately explained to you

[solar cobalt]

Yeah I don't 🤣

[modern rover]

okay so why are you in the theories chat

[solar cobalt]

I always try to find logic

To find logic

[modern rover]

reality isn't logical, fiction certainly isnt

[solar cobalt]

Reality is the most logical thing

[modern rover]

something will always exist to shatter your expectations of how things are supposed to be

[solar cobalt]

So many laws of physics and biology

[modern rover]

if reality was all-logical, we wouldn't have scientists

[solar cobalt]

That can't be ignored

[modern rover]

because we'd understand it all

[brazen cradle]

But I mean, isn't trying to find the "How did this happen" or "Why does this work like this in this universe" the fun of trying to figure out the lore

[modern rover]

exactly

and more specifically, attempting to apply logic to that which we barely understand will only make you confused and angry, real life scientists have done this

[solar cobalt]

Yeah you're right

[modern rover]

case in point, the entirety of the aetheric wind

[brazen cradle]

I mean I'm not a good storyteller myself, but in the story I have created I like it when my friends try to figure out how/why things work the way they do in it xD

[modern rover]

which was disproven shortly after coming into conception

[weak badger]

Who hates fiction I love escaping reality and hyperfixating on the small things of how things work

I was heavily invested in SCP for a really long time

[stray light]

I hate fiction

[sour rivet]

Real life on top

[solar cobalt]

irl enjoyers vs fiction fans

[stray light]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

pleasantly being able to enjoy both >

especially since it's quite largely told art
Whether prose, fictional, aural or oral

being able to enjoy both is quite nice
or at least, at the bare minimum, appreciate the foundation of such- being literally human expression

[grand sigil]

Some sort of… thing????
A gen 2 human clone? A tribal pretending to be a human? A DINOSAUR pretending to be a human?

[vague root]

A matriarch after adopting human dna

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

The echidna is my guess

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-beach-cute-animals-gif-13290983

The Isle lore

[lethal moat]

Depends, we know that the matriarch was made as a byproduct of the tisso strain, so if the matriarch made the replicator, the replicator would have to have been made after tisso strain and most likely a bunch of dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

I don’t suppose I could interest you in the lore server to submit stuff you find to a central database could I?

[acoustic osprey]

you haven't already?

[grand sigil]

The creature

[strange shell]

You could

[lethal moat]

I sent an invite, but they never accepted

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Early kentro tests lol

[strange shell]

Well the one you just sent is the first one I see
Sorry I guess ?

[acoustic osprey]

you should be

[lethal moat]

Huh, weird, it’s fine

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[lethal moat]

Hush Isaac

https://tenor.com/view/oooooh-creepy-magic-oh-wow-gif-9503121

[acoustic osprey]

scary words do do that

especially when lore is involved

[lethal moat]

I do wonder what gen 2’s actual purpose for being on the island is, I don’t think they’re well enough equipped for retaking the island to be their primary objective

[strange shell]

The reason of their presence depends on wether they're here under the Replicator's command, or under AE's

[lethal moat]

I tend to lean towards AE, since gen 1 seems like they’ll be more biased towards them in sacrificing them to the replicator, maybe it wants biomass it hasn’t already had?

This being if gen 2 was created off the island

[strange shell]

Could be the Replicator's
If it's anything like Nier:Automata lore

[lethal moat]

Could be

[sour rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-blah-blah-blah-roll-eyes-eyeroll-whatever-gif-16216173

Speak American

[sour rivet]

The replicator reminds me of the church of the broken god kinda

[lethal moat]

Given the fact that he died of a cardiac arrest gives us several options: 1, the guy genuinely had a heart attack, 2. Something on the island (maybe a neuro) induced the heart attack, 3. He did something to off himself when he was captured, either because something on the island made him or because he came in from the outside prepared to do so when he got captured, or finally, 4. This is the “official” report submitted to either a government or higher Apollo executives and the guy is imprisoned in Tartarus

[sour rivet]

Is that about a human that was captured by Apollo ?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[sour rivet]

In that case maybe it was a Gen2 who got a certain genetic code from the replicator that would activate under certain circumstances so that they wouldn’t be able to extract information from him

Or like you said Neuro or what not

[lethal moat]

Maybe, I’m of the belief that the report is from before the island was abandoned, and likely before gen 2 was created

[sour rivet]

In that case that would be someone that is at odds with Apollo that would also probably mean that Apollo has the capabilities to induce heart attacks that aren’t traceable ?

[lethal moat]

Maybe, or they tossed him into Tartarus

[sour rivet]

Based termination method

[icy onyx]

Augustus was selected by management for OLYMPUS relocation and entombment. Additional replications remain in Tartarus.

[lethal moat]

Yep

Entombment is most likely some form of storage within the area known as "The tomb" which was compared to the library of alexandria

[icy onyx]

is Tartarus the island

has there been any mention of humans getting relocated to Tartarus by punishment?

[lethal moat]

Tartarus is a creation/imprisonment facility, Gateway is both an island and a facility that leads to tartarus

[lethal moat]

Yes

[icy onyx]

What? Damn

[icy onyx]

Fear

who are you? how do you know so much about isle lore?

[lethal moat]

The whole 'lineage displacement' thing intrigues me

[icy onyx]

so Tartarus is just like an enclosure for assets?

[lethal moat]

It's likely more of a prison for the things that are the largest threat to the company

[lethal moat]

I'm a shadow in the night

[icy onyx]

oh wait! maybe the lineages refer to the different versions of Gen’s

Like Gen2’s being displaced to Gen 1’s

[lethal moat]

It could, but since it was in a video that probably predated the abandonment of the island, I think it's referring to the human employee's family, as in, don't spill secrets or we'll toss you into our prison with horrors you haven't dreamed of

[lethal moat]

The fact that it chooses the word 'displaced' is makes me think it's not genetically modifying anybody, just relocating

[icy onyx]

yeah that’s true

[maiden sundial]

I wouldn't say tossed into it more you will be sent to guard the place

[lethal moat]

Possibly, I just think that Tartarus relocation is meant to be a threat, since it's showing an action and a consequence of that action.

[pale marsh]

I'd consider being put on duty in a location filled with could me horrors beyond human comprehension
To be punishment just as much as being imprisoned there

[maiden sundial]

Fair, but you wouldn't wanna be a caretaker or guard of this thing

[lethal moat]

Very true, but if somebody leaked a classified company document, why would you go have them guard the most interesting thing they could possibly reveal?

[pale marsh]

Cuz they'll never leave perhaps

A, permanent position maybe

[lethal moat]

Sounds like imprisonment

[pale marsh]

Possibly
But just saying imprisonment sounds like their just stuck in a cell

[lethal moat]

Fair

[pale marsh]

As opposed to managing said cells until they kick the bucket

[lethal moat]

Just have them feed the neuro until they die of radiation poisoning

[maiden sundial]

Or they're guarding the hyperendocrins until they break out

[lethal moat]

I would hope that they don't plan around the hypers escaping containment lol, maybe have contingencies, but not expect it

[pale marsh]

How
Would they even contain hypers without them starving to death?

Keeping them fed doesn't feel feasible

[lethal moat]

Maybe some sort of hibernation

[pale marsh]

Cryosleep mayhaps

[lethal moat]

That's my theory for "The Tomb" as a library, they store(d) things that they may need to replicate later in cryosleep or maybe just a body in a freezer, since Augustus was "entombed"

The tomb is in/close to Olympus control if I remember correctly

The F here might be the tomb, possibly under an official name

If we say that the whole bottom bit under the half circle is Tartarus, the solid lines could represent roads, and the dotted lines could be GUTS

That little bracket looking thingy [ could be the perimeter dome

[low scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1157119905649401856/uPQorVRR.gif?ex=65177363&is=651621e3&hm=aa99e6757083381c801ba4b0d6c146d0832a6ba9446de564cb298153ea60d940&

[maiden sundial]

Hypo is little hyper be big

[deft reef]

I got a question, why did AE make the strains?

[patent ginkgo]

Dunno fully, rumple can say more

[lethal moat]

We aren't entirely sure, but we know there are medical benefits to the strains

[deft reef]

Interesting

[sour rivet]

There are three types of strains if I remember correctly:
Hyper - high metabolism and vitality (basically regeneration)
Neuro - EMPs and psychic I think
Forgot the name (Tisso I think) - regeneration (even lost limbs I’m not sure though I may have remembered that incorrectly)

I think I got Neuro and Hyper right but oh well

[lethal moat]

Tisso is right, there are also things that are associated with the strain, but not having the strain, like the Matriarch and the tissoplastic strain

[sour rivet]

All of these symbolize in my eyes just aspects of animals in general that Apollo is trying to perfect.

But at the same time combining every strain may be impossible or just too big of a (Pun incoming) Strain on these animals.

So they may be trying to perfect every category before trying to combine/ merging them cause to be honest I don’t see any other reason except for curiosity to develop such things

[lethal moat]

We know there are medicinal things associated with the strains, hypers increase strength, neuros increase intelligense, and tissos have regenerative capabilities

[sour rivet]

Applying these enhancements on humans would seem like a pretty reasonable goal

[lethal moat]

Already done

[sour rivet]

Gen 1 ?

[lethal moat]

The Trinity

[sour rivet]

Ah

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 is mostly seperate, 1/3 of the trinity is deeply involved with gen 1

[sour rivet]

But it’s not something that is ripe for the public is it ?

[lethal moat]

That we know of

[lethal moat]

I can find pictures

[sour rivet]

For sure

[lethal moat]

Shoot

Keep in mind these are old

Likely changed with the rework, similar to hypers

[deft reef]

These are the trinity?

[lethal moat]

Yes, they are humanoid strains

In order: Echidna, reaper, colossus

We know most about the echidna, it was called "The Mother of Cannibals" and "Neurotenic Mastermind" in legacy

[iron anchor]

echidna eliminated humans, solved all of mankind’s problems, and left the universe

[deft reef]

wot

[iron anchor]

this is why you treat the 5 million iq creature with respect

[lethal moat]

He's joking

[iron anchor]

oh i thought this was the other server

[lethal moat]

Nope

[lethal moat]

Echidna is theorized to be the spiritual leader of gen 1

[deft reef]

ah, just a joke

[deft reef]

Very cool, I’m quite interested in the gen 1 stuff and AE

[lethal moat]

Have you checked the documents in the pinned comments?

[deft reef]

I haven’t yet, will see whats in it

[sour rivet]

Looks sick

[lethal moat]

The one I made is a general summary, the other ones go much more in depth and actually have sources

[deft reef]

Are all of them up to date?

[lethal moat]

Mine and Isaacs are, I don't talk to Hellshade much

[steel summit]

the most up to date document even includes augustus

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 reminds me a lot of the accurate depictions of the wendigo

[steel summit]

yeah

[sour rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-orb-gif-26002992

Lore

Are people who are not involved in lore like this ?

Watching us lunatics say things

[steel summit]

we are better than some

[lethal moat]

This isn't really the spot to talk about that, but probably

[sour rivet]

Nice

[steel summit]

this is serious lore place, the nonsense goes on in the other server

[sour rivet]

Right… forgot that we are serious my bad.

[honest sierra]

Other server?

[sour rivet]

Lore server but anyway if u are interested I’ll DM u (continue the lore !)

[honest sierra]

Is legacy still canon to Evrima lore?
(Alr sounds good)

Haven’t heard much about legacy after the recode

[sour rivet]

No legacy is scrapped

[honest sierra]

Ah ok, I assume primal carnage is also not in the same universe anymore too

[lethal moat]

Nope

[honest sierra]

[lethal moat]

It's better this way

[sour rivet]

Some might say !

[pale marsh]

I'd honestly love if dondi or whoever dropped a list of all the things gen1 draw inspiration from
Not for lore
Just cuz I love that kind of thing

Ik Japanese oni are one

[lethal moat]

It'd be pretty cash money of them

[honest sierra]

The “future predator” from primevil reminds me of them

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

technically aspects of Legacy Lore has been moved into Evrima

as a continuation
but the lore itself isn't

[patent ginkgo]

Perhaps the S in Augustus’ I’d code is indicative of the 19th lineage of Herreras, as dondi said it had something to do with a lineage and s is the 19th letter

[acoustic osprey]

refers to it's Location

[patent ginkgo]

I could’ve sworn 12 was for the location, but I guess I got them swapped

[acoustic osprey]

might be

can't remember if S or 12 is

Isle News might've gotten the recording?

[zenith frigate]

Dondi was not lying about you all being insane

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-claus-pipe-bomb-heres-a-pipe-bomb-christmas-gift-meme-gif-24076841

[zenith frigate]

That was instant

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

Isaac is the main man, and one of the less deranged ones

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/freaking-out-concerned-confused-crazy-look-itysl-gif-17618875465987313259

[lethal moat]

Wonder what Gen 1 communication is like, is it body signals and grunts? Or would they have an actual language, obviously they’ll be able to communicate, but how is what I’m interested in.

[iron anchor]

they have mouths, if it’s based on humans perhaps some kind of voice box too

shouldn’t they sound human like

ooga booga

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind a very raspy and aggressive language, the guy may be smiling, but he probably sounds like he gargled gravel in his childhood

[iron anchor]

Lol

[lethal moat]

So gen 1 are really good at climbing, but would they be able to general grevious crawl across the ceiling? What is going too far in terms of “really good at climbing”?

[sour rivet]

Almost everything that was presented in Evrima is cannon. Legacy isn’t cannon anymore

It’s… complicated

But basically:
Apollo made Dinosaurs, because of stuff, than they did some more and now the island is left

We know a bit but most of the time we don’t know why

Oh cool replicator, but how was it created ?

Oh they do shi but why

[acoustic osprey]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit
this doc

and my own
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

contain everything canon in Evrima's lore

(in pinned messages)

HellShade's doc is an archive of all lore

Apollo (Apollo Engineering)
is the company behind it all

[sour rivet]

Lore stuff

[acoustic osprey]

^

@lethal moat updated doc a bit

plus moved around a few things so it showcases more "Evrima lore" as a priority
rather than Legacy stuff

[slender swallow]

Gateway... feels a lot more eerie than Spiro

I will say

These huge monolithic structures and domes, makes you think, what could they possibly have inside that needs several meters of reinforced steel and concrete

[strange shell]

geese

[lethal moat]

Will do, Just let me eat breakfast and get ready for the day

[sour rivet]

Is it confirmed if Gen2s work for the replicator ?

[modern rover]

no

gen 1s do

[sour rivet]

Ok but aren’t Gen 2s made by the replicator ?

Or did I miss something

[meager junco]

Pretty sure they’re made by AE in a lab but I could be wrong, a lot of my lore knowledge is non canon

[lethal moat]

You’re good, we jus t don’t know for that aspect of gen 2

[lethal moat]

Everything is up to date

[low scarab]

The only thing that’s keeping me going through next week is the idea we will get lore documents

[balmy scaffold]

im super excited for lore documents

[lethal moat]

The ones that should be arriving this week?

[nimble fractal]

Oooh what 👀

[lethal moat]

Dondi is giving us templates for stuff to allow us to make better fan stuff for lore

[balmy scaffold]

mhm

[nimble fractal]

Omg hype

[lethal moat]

Yep, the lore server is super excited

[balmy scaffold]

I wonder if Apollo Red is a subtle reference to Raptor Red or if its just a coincidence

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[steel summit]

hello lore

[sour rivet]

Hell yeah

[acoustic osprey]

🙂

it'll help us at Apollo Files

[acoustic osprey]

thanks Rump

[lethal moat]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

I'll have a read, again, if anything needs updating, again.

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

[shadow juniper]

nice uploads thank you gunna check em out!

[acoustic osprey]

no worries!

[acoustic osprey]

both these docs will be continuously updated, but I am more so working on Rumps a lot more

[shadow juniper]

theres a lot too sift through and figure out so NP,

[acoustic osprey]

IF you have any issues/queries
I, and others, are always here to answer any questions

[shadow juniper]

thanks fam!

[acoustic osprey]

no worries, enjoy

[kindred hemlock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ig0nY9XErck?si=ZuGlda5AOcW7L0vz This is what happened didnt it

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/291a27cd9f503f5c237a7d4928afbf26
https://gyazo.com/a36e6bcfda18fab1ab36e88a09fd87f8

Going through both 🙂

[acoustic osprey]

damn...

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/ec010ec0d3fc672aabb4ce9c788a2674

@lethal moat is this from the Roadmap video?

[acoustic osprey]

however it's interesting to see here.
There is, of course, differences in the BIOS (with it's UI) from both videos

HOWEVER, I must commend these differences

such as the newer having "Press BACKSPACE to go back" in the bottom left

how, rather than just adding it there and having consistency issues within the two vids

we can see that both the PC? BIOS? (Likely not BIOS)
AY59Pro R2.33 (for the newer one)
and
AY59Pro R2.32 (for the older one)

plus a slightly newer main CPU
alongside a newer IDE Primary Master

However, @ionic sable, it seems like they retconned out AMSI into AEMSI
which just seems like AE have their own Integrated Drive Electronics tech team

You'd assume it wouldn't be "AE"
unless AE have THEIR OWN subsidiaries

or if Apollo is literally just a nickname for Apollo Engineering
Where Apollo is not the parent company

noticeably, though, we can see this in the older video
https://gyazo.com/18c54418e54b97a90000e288bb23503e

versus the newer one referring to "GW_H4"

I am going to doubt it's akin to thishttps://gyazo.com/3e15fafd4ecaec3cbf9ae55d4f9e2ac1

as I don't believe there are 95 Olympus Transmitters in the one place

however, I will still mark this down as a curious thought about another potential area

I don't believe it's related to the Map coords system in Gateway
As the letter comes first, not the number

eg. K15
I12
H4

not 94d

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/b512a64522fd207d5e4ea9fc500abcc2
especially as they plaster their name everywhere

unless AE is THE Major subsidary
And Apollo, itself, is just a simple figurehead of AE itself

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

interesting, thanks

https://gyazo.com/317a1098d3314d4ff0c6eab3311cffab
https://gyazo.com/ad85c42f3639325ec73f5beb0226b1f7

Also the removal of the dates, again, is very scary. Again.

However, the bios system (AE Mod. BIOS v4) is newer

so, it may be likely, that when "AUGUSTUS" takes place

may be after 1999

or Don is removing the date range 1994-99

which is fair to say, at least,
as the Living Roadmap is the most minimal lore you could bring

in contrast to Augustus' video

[proven cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-folds-the-sopranos-road-to-respect-rockin-the-suburbs-i-take-the-checks-and-face-the-facts-some-producer-with-computers-gif-2324152662366616759

[acoustic osprey]

^

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[lethal moat]

That lore is the only thing giving me any sort of timeline, since most of the other stuff has been censored that we’ve seen

[patent ginkgo]

Wow nice essay Isaac

[lethal moat]

Have you seen that @river marsh is working on a summary and breakdown of the Augustus tape

[acoustic osprey]

but I am also!!

[lethal moat]

Nice

[lethal moat]

I think Keit is working on the numbers and letter stuff more than other things in their document

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[acoustic osprey]

copy and paste moment

we do see the usage of an External Access by the user in the Augustus report
https://gyazo.com/d8c7fa8fbae762113e5a04559727f5a2
via OLYMPUS
which might mean that Olympus is likely not on Gateway
or that this person is from Olympus
which would explain their lvl 5 clearance
it being the place of the Gods
I don't think they'll let any low level dude stay within

i do not believe they, the user, were streaming the computer to their phone and they were externally using it

It COULD be some sort of Remote access

however, seeing as they, the user, has Stage 5 clearance

and is from within Olympus

why wouldn't they just see the files from within Olympus

unless this computer is from The Tomb

albeit, seeing as the user doesn't put in their username or password (due to bypassing via External Connection)

it could be some sort of remote access

where XXXXXXX-OLYMPUS-000000000C could be related to this external connection

or it could literally be, akin to EyeSeeYou's models, some sort of pass that is connection/swiped (like some sort of credit card) that bypasses the need of a username and password

literally externally "connecting" via this (Stage 5) pass

[balmy scaffold]

im pretty sure there was some super old stuff about the first successful tisso reaper being created on september 7th 2004 this has probably been de-canonized since then but if it hasnt then Augustus takes place before the 12 reapers existed

again probably not canon anymore

[ionic sable]

Forcing me to rewrite the UI again just for the hell of it.

[balmy scaffold]

i wonder, since the living roadmap said things were on their way does this mean updates are canon? like in universe right now evrima is in 1994-1999 and dondi going on gateway playing herra was augustus and once herrera is released it would in universe be AE cloning more from augustus

[ionic sable]

ALSO.

THEY FIXED THE TYPO!!!!

[lethal moat]

The last time the system was updated was 99, and the island has been abandoned for some time, so it’s likely close to modern day

[lethal moat]

Replicating, not cloning

[balmy scaffold]

right

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/television-tv-shows-tv-popcorn-watching-gif-17892683

[muted reef]

I have forgotten a couple things about the lore, isnt the reason AE started doing all that stuff was for military purposes and such? Or am I an idiot

[lethal moat]

No military, no aliens

We don't know the reason, but it's neither of those

[muted reef]

Aight

[river marsh]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14L8fppW9kaLrmURZYyRklem5i-sQCYZniOUdM1uIcnM/edit?usp=sharing

HEAVY WIP but shiny thing ❤️ Isaac also was a dear and helped point out a few details to tweak. I aim to finish this eventually this week. So far it's been great as an information dump for context on some formatting in regards to names and the like

[muted reef]

So how much do we know about the lore

[lethal moat]

Check pinned comments,

[muted reef]

Okey

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

As well as the familiar login screen and boot menu I also created concepts for a global archive, a chip tracking system, a trail cam and monitoring camera system

Chip Tracking System

just remembered this
and went through the Augustus video

there's no showcase of the Chip Tracking system.

I DO wonder what it'll look like honestly

in terms of lore videos

[lethal moat]

I would love for humans to navigate via a tablet with a map of the island that shows the location of different spawn in dinos and the holder of the tablet

[acoustic osprey]

however, I wonder if Seiza is referring to the videos
or actually in-game

seeing as "global archive"
is interesting

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

even then, not just general navigation
but finding specific areas, such as K15

make the tablets rare
Navigator Niche for Gen2s 😊

[lethal moat]

You only go so much space in the backpack sort of situation?

[acoustic osprey]

I do rather hope there isn't "Set in stone" classes for Gen2s
So you can venture out of "one specific style" if you feel bored, want to do something else or given something that makes you rethink your current in-game lifestyle

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, practically

like Project Zomboid

[lethal moat]

More customization of various tools rather than a specific class

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

in which allows you to target a specific "playstyle"

[lethal moat]

Exactly, which is another reason I can see cars being useful

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[lethal moat]

Errant-291 from the earlier incident report could potentially be an Employee who was detained in Tartarus before they escaped and tried to get out

[random copper]

remember the heat maps of players showcased in I think isle-phase-three channel? Maybe that's the Chip Tracking system.

nevermind, it was in phase-two-archive. looked like this.

[lethal moat]

It might look something like that

[random copper]

yep exactly

[lethal moat]

I think gen 2 having a tablet tool that has a bunch of different things on it would be cool

[random copper]

well, I'm not sure what exactly was their purpose except for monitoring the island. Perhaps since the islands were supposedly abandoned, they were tasked with re establishing all the bases.

[lethal moat]

The island was abandoned, probably suddenly

[random copper]

Still begs the question as to why it had to be an enhanced human rather than just a regular human.

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 technically isn't human

They are a recreation of humanity completely, no humans were edited or anything, they just rebuilt the human genome from scratch

[random copper]

so there was no original human that served as the genetic base for all the gen 2s?

[lethal moat]

Noe

[random copper]

Is that so AE could patent it?

[modern rover]

probably not

[lethal moat]

We don't know why

Same for gen 1s, they were likely an experiment that failed, but was used as a stepping stone for gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know, yet

[modern rover]

cloning is ironically less legally accepted than just making a new creature all entirety that resembles another creature

[lethal moat]

Could be the motive, but we don't know yet

[acoustic osprey]

I'd more so doubt such

albeit, the system might be similar if it's properly added to the game

as the heat map was just to show players the general spread of Spiro

[lethal moat]

That was over like a 4 hour period I think it was? Not super useful for tracking down current locations

[random copper]

it'd definetly be on a more local level, chip tracking system is probably only needed if the gen 2 in question was doing field work and could be notified if a dangerous dinosaur was in the area.

[lethal moat]

Makes loud noise when the dino gets close lol

[acoustic osprey]

i'd less imagine the tracking chips being heat maps realistically

[lethal moat]

Maybe a gps style thing like a parent tracking app on phones but for dinosaurs

Because Augustus was a little too silly

[normal gate]

Is there som background story fo humongous buildings on gateway map?

[broken remnant]

Isnt it like jurassic park where scientist made dinos on island?

[lethal moat]

Domes, we don’t know much more than that

[lethal moat]

Yes in that they made the dinosaurs on the island, no because they did it clone dinosaurs

[broken remnant]

True but i meant to say the labs are made by humans

[unborn knot]

I think the domes might be housing Type-H

[lethal moat]

Yes

[lethal moat]

That’s Tartarus, though Tartarus could have entrances beneath the domes

Or Tartarus could be one of the domes, but I personally doubt it, since it’s been discussed as a massive underground facility

[unborn knot]

Possibly, but it could be a testing ground for them or hunting site

[broken remnant]

When they add humans the humans might have full acess to the builds

[lethal moat]

Hopefully

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[unborn knot]

Human first person with gen1s

Wrong chat sorry lol

[lethal moat]

W opinion but yeah

[dusk pier]

so what is the goal of AE i know they aren't a generic evil company do they make medicine or just trying to make superior humans to out live a virus

i thought it was to download human minds into dinos that when they die there minds are reuploaded into a new dino in a way "immortality"

cursed immortality

[lethal moat]

We don’t know

[lethal moat]

That isn’t canon anymore, scrapped stuff from legacy

[dusk pier]

Oh

If i think about it gen 2 could be a way of maintaining the isle instead of going to the isle yourself u upload to a body do it without real risk to you just mental scars but something probably didn't go as plan and replicator whent roage perhaps?

And your mind being trapped in the system perhaps you being able to play as a dino was part of this maintaining of the island you could scout ahead to see where you need to repair a structure as a gallie

But if using actual human clones and dinos as a means to do repairs what is the real work on the island for?

[random copper]

i like that the devs wrote the herrera remodel into lore, but I don't think they'd go as far as to write you switching from a gen2 to a dino as part of the lore.

but then there's that 1000 life contract idea so maybe I'm wrong idk

[lethal moat]

No clones and no human brains inside dinos

[lethal moat]

Still no clue what that is lol

[random copper]

as far as i'm concerned its just the ominous title of a song, it might of meant something in legacy isle but probably not anymore.

[dusk pier]

Are we ai in the isle?

An artificial mind piloting dinos to do the bidding of replicator?

[random copper]

i think the better term is synthetic biological animals, no telling if there's any mechanical parts in the brain of the dinosaur except for a microchip

in legacy you'd have your vision impaired with radio static when you got close to the buildings, supporting the idea of Ai controlled dinos, but I don't know if that still happens in spiro or gateway.

[dusk pier]

I mean if u take your dinos there is u controlling every part of it but some things u do not controll like if you are cerato food is pulling your dino to do things u cant control like detecting playres and the 3call sure u can crouch but it shows the dino has some instincts

Are we a minde beamed into the brain of a synthetic dino?

[random copper]

I don't think AE has that much control over the dinosaurs to the point they could control their motor skills and such, and once they let their dinosaurs out from a lab it doesn't matter how much safeguards you put it, natural evolution will overide it.

[dusk pier]

What about souls

In a way a fake being would be hollow not supernatural soul but the living mind that can think

[random copper]

not sure, souls are an abstract concept. Would a soul just mean something has a personality? Or more than that?

[dusk pier]

Soul asin the part that makes you "you" and not an npc on a loop

A minde

[random copper]

so self awareness?

[dusk pier]

Yes

I feel like AE was trying to make gen 2 something happened and now the replicator is incontrole of the reserch and possibly a digital scan of human minds "us" and is uploading some of thoes digital scans into dinos or what ever to see if one of them might retain memories of its previous life to then favor it like the gen 1

Religion

[random copper]

Even if AE did have control over the replicated minds of the dinosaurs, that doesn't take into account the animals that reproduced naturally, right? How do you transfer a synthetic consciousness into a baby dinosaur?

[dusk pier]

Well take a look at west world

[lethal moat]

Human brains inside of Dino’s are no longer canon

[dusk pier]

First u habe the robotics then u get the synthetic somewhere they had synthetic given a reciver and emitter but thats just a hard guess as u can be fully eaten by a deino in no time to send terabytes of information

[dusk pier]

Not brain "mind" but yeah

West world is really good

Obviously if we where a human mind in a dino we could use guns and most Obviously thats not a featur in game so a super nerfed human mind if it was

[lethal moat]

I think the Dino’s, gen 1, and gen 2 are just players in the big scheme between larger things like AE and the replicator

[dusk pier]

Yes

I love that

Maybe replicator tried to snuck in some human brain cells into dinos and they became slightly to smart for containment and it took control of the system roage ai?

Thats enough isle conspiracy for me

[lethal moat]

I think the replicator did go rogue and cause a revolution, but I like the idea of uniting the gen 1 better than chaotic dinosaur overloadWrong chat

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't truly matter.
As you never die anyways.

Even if your offspring, in Legacy lore, weren't an EIP

You will still be replicated

[velvet sundial]

guys it a fkin dinosaur game

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/ouat-once-upon-a-time-madhatter-sebastian-stan-ifyouonlyknew-gif-4748289

[velvet sundial]

sum it up for me

[lethal moat]

Check pinned comments

[fair arrow]

once you start learning the lore

you cant go back

you understand that son?

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-in-the-middle-walter-white-breaking-bad-mugvblw-gif-25675817

[velvet sundial]

i’m too scared to read allat

[lethal moat]

Ight

[lethal moat]

GRADIC Customs probably another subsidiary of Apollo? I doubt a company so big would have to outsource things

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[random copper]

What does Apollo Red and Mercury Beneficial specialise in?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message This is best I've got from when I asked the question a few months ago, Isaac had a pretty good guess

Mercury could be the shipping company as well

[random copper]

ah ok cool

[lethal moat]

Best place to find stuff is ctrl+F in the lore chat

[slender swallow]

But... who is Shirley

[lethal moat]

The most beautiful rex to exist

[slender swallow]

Do T Rex dream of Tyrannical Sheep?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[steel summit]

Gen 1 appreciation post

[acoustic osprey]

Big question now

Should isle lore theories be renamed to Isle Lore Discussion?

[steel summit]

there are both

its both discussion and theories

so idk

[acoustic osprey]

https://strawpoll.com/3RnYlKGE9ye

So I find it necessary, to help classify if it should be referred to as such

[lethal moat]

Those back muscles look really good for climbing upside down, they can turn their spine around pretty efficiently

[steel summit]

we stop vote now

[acoustic osprey]

hmm, yes, I agree!!

[steel summit]

upside down climbing would be fun

[slender swallow]

Upside down lore?

[acoustic osprey]

lol

pondering the thought whether if Gen1s should
or Eyeless should

or Eyeless more so having insane speed

[lethal moat]

I think it would be cool, just waiting on the ceilings of human structures, laying flat againt the surface like a spider on the underside of a leaf

[steel summit]

on the topic of Eyeless, if the only thing Eyeless have is good stats and climbing then eyeless gameplay wouldnt be more fun than gen 1 gameplay

[lethal moat]

Theres got to be more to it than that, maybe some lore/spiritual significance

If not more powers

[steel summit]

lore significance of course, but i mean if eyeless is basically just a better humanoid herrera then you know

[lethal moat]

Halfway between normal gen1 and Echidna?

[steel summit]

well hopefully a blind/echolocation mechanic could make eyeless gameplay incredibly special and different

[steel summit]

maybe

[slender swallow]

Eyeless and Gen 1? Seem the same tbh

[lethal moat]

We haven't seen the eyeless yet

[slender swallow]

I would pay good money to watch a showdown between two unarmed

[steel summit]

just thought of something, what if the replicator created gen 1 (this would explain their religion) and that gen 1 is the "perfect human" in the eyes of the Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

we know Apollo Engineering almost certainly made Gen1s

as they refer to them under GOLEM derivate

[steel summit]

yeah but what if Æ used the replicator in the creation of gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, that's quite likely

and what I presume
Replicator being a tool for AE originally

[steel summit]

but because of their "inhuman" appearance, Æ decided to use another method in creating gen 2

this could also explain gen 1's physical superiority towards gen 2

[lethal moat]

It's a decent theory, not 100% on board, but I can see it

[steel summit]

it's a theory

[lethal moat]

A game theory

[steel summit]

literally

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMmFybnE0bmJ3dTYwb2xscnU0dXJraDJnanR2YThtd2lubnRwOGhkbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/sDEixK1nZ1FCCz8Iu2/giphy.gif

https://strawpoll.com/2ayLkKYjBZ4
Ok, another one as well

please vote AS MANY you know

[steel summit]

Khorne is legacy right?

[lethal moat]

Yep, real person who figured something out

[steel summit]

ah ok

nice

[random copper]

never heard of mr corn before

[steel summit]

neither did i

[random copper]

actually about half of the stuff in that poll i haven't heard about

[acoustic osprey]

Khorne?

[lethal moat]

I knew a bit

Not much though'

[steel summit]

i've heard of a lot of it but i know not all of it, so i just chose what i knew

[acoustic osprey]

there's a few things I'm missing I believe
but literally the bottom of the iceberg

AH the ATRIUMs

I knew I forgot something
oh well, that's super old lore

practically mid-tier lore to literally the bottom of the ice berg for many now

[steel summit]

basically all those with 1 vote are things that i might've heard about, but i know nothing about

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[steel summit]

i've seen you mention the primordial but i have no clue what it is

[acoustic osprey]

none of us do sadly lol

[low scarab]

Lore documents sooooon

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[acoustic osprey]

did you vote Vraptor?

[low scarab]

???

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/god-giveth-god-giveth-byeah-gta4-gif-16517541478194434136

[acoustic osprey]

https://strawpoll.com/2ayLkKYjBZ4 😊

[low scarab]

Alr hold on

[acoustic osprey]

please vote as truthfully as you can! If you want

thank you Vraptor!

[low scarab]

A lot of that stuff I didn’t know about tbh

I know dr vega but who are the other people

Just random names don has thrown out?

[steel summit]

not even rumple knew about the other doctors

[lethal moat]

Silence wench, I know everything

[acoustic osprey]

old lore doctors who worked on stuff like Type-N bio studies and Type-T Bio studies

[low scarab]

All knowing don shall grant us his wisdom

[acoustic osprey]

Lawrence Carter was the main man behind Operation Inferno

[low scarab]

Oh so legacy lore?

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[low scarab]

Oh interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Lawrence Carter is still active within PCE's lore, iirc

[steel summit]

cool

[low scarab]

Ok

[steel summit]

im not versed in PCE lore

[acoustic osprey]

fair, it's pretty obscure

[steel summit]

all i know is that it was in tandem with isle lore when legacy

[low scarab]

What is biotrace

[lethal moat]

PCE lore is the thing I know leat about tbh, it's not relevant to current stuff, so I ignore it

[lethal moat]

Errant 291 referance

[random copper]

a while ago i heard something regarding PCE and Isle lore, where one of the companies stole assets from the other, I think?

[lethal moat]

Old drama, behind the games, best to not talk about it

[low scarab]

Oh yep the olden days

[steel summit]

in the (legacy) lore it was magna (and probably more but idk)

[acoustic osprey]

Operation Inferno

they took PC's Rex design

and AE made Magnas from such

aka. Big Daddy

[low scarab]

EIPs were cool imo

But I understand why it doesn’t fit evrima

[lethal moat]

It's not not confirmed if I remember correctly

[low scarab]

I wish don would just drop all the legacy lore that isn’t relevant

[low scarab]

Hmmmm ok

[steel summit]

i just want don to officially reconfirm islandwalkers.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[steel summit]

#isle-discussion message. (what this?)

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
this dude

an errant
who died of a cardiac arrest

[lethal moat]

Had this slip of paper

[acoustic osprey]

^

[steel summit]

ah ok, nice

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[low scarab]

If they speak to you do not reply

https://tenor.com/view/shivering-dog-shiver-me-timbers-shiver-me-timbers-dog-gif-23060744

[steel summit]

pretty empty, anyway gen 1

[iron anchor]

who decided that adding 50% alien dna would make a perfect human replica

[low scarab]

What does don mean by this

And what are the phases other than just like the lifetimes you go through to be evolved and mutated

[iron anchor]

he means skinwalker avoidance strategies

[steel summit]

?, my theory for gen 1 creation is: #isle-lore-theories message

[iron anchor]

that would make so much more sense

[steel summit]

probably Echidna, matriarch or something else

[iron anchor]

is matriarch intelligent at all

[steel summit]

i know it's a little far fetched but it is possible

[steel summit]

it is constantly adapting and evolving so probably

[iron anchor]

constantly evolving to fit into the scenarios the environment presents

what scenarios increase brain growth

also any confirmation if matriarch is planned to be a playable

[steel summit]

not that i know of

[iron anchor]

dah

[acoustic osprey]

More so akin to consuming whatever is in the environment

So if it fails to do so
It will, theoretically, die

[steel summit]

eat food = live,
its pretty simple

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[low scarab]

yk what would be sick

if some videogame used an ai similar to chatgpt and had it speak to you as like an echidna or similar

[lethal moat]

I think it's echidna or maybe another neuro

[low scarab]

to lure you in

[lethal moat]

Unless the echidna is another player

[acoustic osprey]

It's likely more so to Gen1 or Eyeless

[steel summit]

neuro spino was gonna mimic (like the bear in annhiliation iirc)

[acoustic osprey]

I presume "them" as a collective pronoun

[acoustic osprey]

No
Echidna

Neuro Spino was to control the weather

[low scarab]

very true

[steel summit]

if so that means they know human language

[steel summit]

ah ok, was mixing them up, neuro abilities are confusing

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
They're still human

[steel summit]

i dont know all human languages, do you?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/im-only-human-after-all-rory-charles-graham-human-im-just-a-human-normal-human-gif-17597509

[acoustic osprey]

Especially if they interact/hear humans speaking

They likely can still speak human language

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 vs gen 2 hostage situations would be nuts

[acoustic osprey]

But you still know a human language, at least

[steel summit]

they can speak and learn it theoretically yeah, but the fact that they have learned it is terrifying

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't see Gen1s holding hostages, more so abducting to sacrifice

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-throw-sacrifice-simba-sacrificing-gif-17413569

[low scarab]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

I'd presume more that exchanging a hostage is less valuable then being physically rewarded by The Replicator

[low scarab]

also lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-rick-morty-gif-9614961

[steel summit]

gen 1 with gun (exchange hostage for gun)

[lethal moat]

I'm trying to think of what gen 1 would want more than to sacrifice a gen 2 but I can't really think of anything that gen 2 could provide

[low scarab]

what if the replicator gave the gen 1 some kind of advantage other than just mutating them into something like an eyeless

[lethal moat]

No clue what it'd be though

[steel summit]

crafting recipes?

[low scarab]

what if the replicator can infuse knowledge into their brains

like how do gen 2s know how to speak and use weapons

[steel summit]

lernd it

[low scarab]

and if they were chidren at creation who raised them

^

[lethal moat]

Echidna, "Mother of Cannibals"

[low scarab]

mother of cannibals raises gen 2?

[steel summit]

growth time probably like dinos (super fast), so probably Æ

[steel summit]

gen 2*

[lethal moat]

Oopsy, I think gen2 were made off the island personally, so it could have been an AE employee

[steel summit]

my gen 1 and gen 2 creation theory supports this

[hollow oxide]

Humanly trained?

[lethal moat]

It might not just be a matter of physiology, but also the environment that they were raised in, an Indoraptor situation if you will

[lethal moat]

Probably

[steel summit]

probably

[steel summit]

probably yeah

[hollow oxide]

Question

[steel summit]

sure

[low scarab]

but how like a facility or something?

maybe genetically moduified to learn quickly

[hollow oxide]

Maybe or one if them was trained and then it passed its knowledge

[lethal moat]

Off the island imo

[steel summit]

perfect human would probably learn things faster yeah

[low scarab]

but then that raises the question does AE indoctrinate these people? do they have nmatural rights? like are they taught to not know anything abt the outside world and what Apollo really is doing behind the scenes

[lethal moat]

I don't doubt it, they'd probably be legally considered property

[steel summit]

gen 2 are creations so yeah they probably dont know anything about the outside world

[steel summit]

anyway what was your question

[low scarab]

so thats interesting they dont have natural rights or liberties so they are basically condidered property but how can we distinguish between a normal human and AE

[lethal moat]

6 pack

[low scarab]

extra cake

[steel summit]

john cake

[low scarab]

insert that john cake image

[hollow oxide]

Do the tribals feed the replicator dead or even alive things so that way they can get a new "life" but when they do that does it give knowledge about the things they give to the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Will do

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/good-question-meme-shrek-gif-16886109

[lethal moat]

We know that they probably get turned into the Eyeless, but beyond that we aren't sure

[hollow oxide]

Is that how the replicator gets smarter?

[lethal moat]

We don't know much about the replicator's motives or how it works

[hollow oxide]

Dang

[steel summit]

maybe, maybe not, we literally do not know sorry, but great question

asking the correct questions

[low scarab]

I was thinking about the one where he was like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1019025635835908150/John_Evrima4.png?ex=6552b014&is=65403b14&hm=faf548aef05303aff9bead2e80a69ec09bde7fffeae6e1e8919359e868d192a8&

[lethal moat]

Ha

[low scarab]

or the drawing someone made of him

over the dead omni

[steel summit]

do you have it?

[low scarab]

This lol

[lethal moat]

HUH

[steel summit]

Omni John cake man

[low scarab]

I’m not the one who made it

[hollow oxide]

[low scarab]

I did nothing wrong but share his glory

[acoustic osprey]

@cunning tapir yours!!!!!!

[steel summit]

We are going insane

[acoustic osprey]

Look at the old Olympus Transmitter transmissions

[low scarab]

can you link them or is it pinned?

and who was controlling it a real human or a gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

In HellShade's doc

[lethal moat]

More Olympus transmissions would be cool, when we get the template stuff, I might start making my own

[acoustic osprey]

Hmmmm

[low scarab]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

I'm presuming we're likely only going to get the template for Dino Glance Sheets
And maybe the ERRANT-291 sheet (incident report) template sheet

[low scarab]

I really want a return of the olympis transmissions and broadcasts

[hollow oxide]

Who logs into the reports? Apollo worker?

[raven anchor]

@crystal atlas you playing on EU?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-mr-potato-head-i-can-dream-cant-i-dream-dreaming-gif-5083018

[acoustic osprey]

one of them

Also been theorised that some are from The Replicator herself

[lethal moat]

So far we've got someone with Phase 2 access and something with Phase 5 access

[steel summit]

?

[crystal atlas]

NA

[cunning tapir]

hello yes mine

[raven anchor]

Wut

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah!!

[lethal moat]

Probably wrong chat

[steel summit]

Is weird, but ok

[acoustic osprey]

The lore

[raven anchor]

I was gonna ask him if he'd like to join me try to to kill 37 carnos with cera but different timezones

It'll be hard cause we can't chase em

[lethal moat]

Yeah, wrong chat

[hollow oxide]

This is the lore chat that's why we thought it was weird because you should use #isle-discussion

[raven anchor]

Oh.

I hate the new layout.

[crystal atlas]

lol

[raven anchor]

My apologies!

[lethal moat]

Is all good

[steel summit]

Is ok, it's funny

[low scarab]

so in legacy at least they were conditioned

[lethal moat]

In legacy they were mercs

[low scarab]

then what was the transmitter talking about back in 2018

[steel summit]

Things

[lethal moat]

Outdated sadly

[hollow oxide]

Isn't the replicator in hell or something?

[lethal moat]

It's probably in Tartarus, but not confirmed yet

[hollow oxide]

But how? Wasn't it made somewhere else? Did it just move on its legs?

[lethal moat]

We don't know enough about the replicator, it is an ai though, so I don't think it would have legs

[hollow oxide]

If it's in Tartarus it's no longer Apollos problem but the entire world's

[lethal moat]

?

[hollow oxide]

That's what I thought lol

[lethal moat]

Could you explainb

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus for Apollo
Not the Tartarus in Greek mythology

As Tartarus is quite likely under Gateway

[steel summit]

Tartarus is by Æ

[hollow oxide]

OHHH

[lethal moat]

Ah, that was the misconseption

[hollow oxide]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hollow oxide]

So when were in game and choosing are dinosaurs does the replicator spawn us in?

[acoustic osprey]

It did in legacy

[lethal moat]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

Hitenshi, have you done the straw poll?

[hollow oxide]

No what's that?

[steel summit]

Perchance

[hollow oxide]

Forgive me for my noobness

[steel summit]

Poll to see how much lore you know

[steel summit]

Is fine, we all start somewhere

[hollow oxide]

Where do I go?

[acoustic osprey]

Lore Census
https://strawpoll.com/2ayLkKYjBZ4

[lethal moat]

Beat me to it

[hollow oxide]

Is it bad I didn't press anything 😭

[steel summit]

If you know very little its okay

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[steel summit]

?, did you submit result?

[lethal moat]

You're good, check DMs real quick

[steel summit]

You inviting them?, aight

[lethal moat]

Ye

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hollow oxide]

No it's says I have to choose one 😭

[steel summit]

Multiple choice, pick the things you know

[hollow oxide]

I guess the phases

[iron anchor]

is he called john cake because the front and back

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[iron anchor]

Lolmao

[acoustic osprey]

I should rename such
As it's different phases

Relating to lore and not the actual content shown

[rapid chasm]

he needs to put his guns away

[ornate tree]

How’s the isle lore start?

[lethal moat]

We don't know for sure, something to do with agriculture

[acoustic osprey]

in the beginning
there was Apollo (the company)

they did Agriculture!

(food)

[acoustic osprey]

wrote this to my friend about the possibility of "Biotraces"

Biotrace is a very very loose topic, as it's only referred once in current "Evrima" lore.
In which I will explain what "Evrima" lore means in contrast to "Legacy"

Evrima is the recode version of the game- aka. "The Isle 2". Which is an opt-in branch for The Isle on Steam (meaning, you can either play on "Evrima". But you're not forced to. Just as an option as it's still in early access/development).
Evrima is the greek word for Discovery, as, whereas in Legacy (I will explain in a bit), Evrima is supposed to be more adventourous in it's lore story telling and world building
this is in contrast to Legacy's own lore system, which still revolves around world building BUT more so about "THE PLAYER" within lore ||Where, long story short. Unless you want to me to explain it, as it's a term in the iceberg. YOU, the player, are a "mind" inside a dinosaur. In legacy||
Now let me explain Legacy; Legacy is the first version of the game, also referred to as "Base Game". It's lore is split into 2 eras, pre-2018 and 2018.
- The differences between pre-2018 and 2018 is minute, where pre-2018 is more empty with it's lore. Where Mercenaries drop from the sky and find themselves on the island randomly (like Jurassic Park 3)

Now, to biotrace.
I will explain the origin of the word and then the theorised aspect of a (presumed Noun) "Biotrace"

Biotrace refers to a thing that was referred to in the Novemeber 2022 Incident Report of "ERRANT-291"

Detained near D Section interior after SHIFT. Was found with no active biotrace. They had an employee badge, stationary and a map. When leaving GUTS access to an unknown location, 291 suffered a fatal cardiac arrest.
^ this is my general summary on ERRANT-291 (also just nicknamed 291)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1072247114043760640/Summary-E2911.png?ex=655bbc71&is=65494771&hm=4e85c5bf14478e0c6596f1b3799b2bf2e7f45c7bb10f2b0c03868f1770cb0ba6& (link to ERRANT-291)
Now, the whole story of ERRANT-291 is confirmed by Dondi as a singular event with no proper direct branches off.
Some presume he was a whistle blower trying, as we know he was trying to go to Olympus Transmitter (which in Legacy Lore, was a giant radio tower).
But, 291 wrote down that it was offline.
It is also unsure if 291 was explicitly a human worker at Apollo Engineering [AE] (the company within The Isle that made the Dinosaurs) or a Generation One (a synthetically made human that looks like a monster) or a Generation Two (which is a greek god-physique looking continuation of Generation One by AE)

Now, the report itself noted that 291 having no "active biotrace"
Explicitly the term "posess" (the actual report itself has this minor spelling mistake. Dondi said it adds "character" and so, therefore, you can tell who wrote what. As the name of the person who wrote the report is blanked out/marked out on the report).

Now, being sci-fi, it could be either one or two (it might be another, but these seem the most likely)

• a Biological Tracer
  Might refer to the use of electronic markers or tracers to track and study various biological processes or substances within a living organism.
  As we know they, AE, have worked organs through stuff like "Strains"- which are projects, revolving around both humans and (especially) dinosaurs that focus around specific eras of the body; such as Hyperendocrins which explitly refer to "Hyper" (elongated/pushed/accelerated) endocrine system (which is an organ for hormones) which makes the dinosaur large and more powerful + hungry.

or

• Biologicial Detection
  In which could refer to a method or (more so likely) technology that is used to detect the presence of specific biological organisms. This would make sense if 291 was a Generation One.

Both of these are likely, but due to the specific term of "trace" within biotrace, it's likely some sort of tracker.
However, I will note that Apollo Engineering have trackers on all dinosaurs- in which are not referred to as Biotrace (at least, not yet)
Which might be either Biotrace is either a "injected" tracker for all within Apollo Engineering and their creations
or it's some sort of (akin to Mandalorian Season 1) a "tracking fob" that all workers must wear SO AE know they won't go to out of bound areas- hence why ERRANT-291 was "found" wandering
and not "tracked wandering"

However, knowing that (due to recent lore, last week when we were recording) we also learnt that Apollo Engineering ARE very strict 😊
They, if you find restricted files, can legally displace you from your home country (the expatriation in the iceberg) and will "displace your lineage"- being relocated to Tartarus. I will not explain Tartarus in this present moment.
but, via this, we know that it is very possible that AE literally have biological markers/tech that detect animals, workers or anything

This is it for Biotrace. It's a bit long as it's not fully about Biotrace, but seeing as you know literally nothing; I hope you can sort of see what I am referring to.

he is new to The Isle Lore. So there is a bit of summarising about Isle's lore in the beginning

but, Biotrace, at the moment, is heavily linked with ERRANT-291
so, hopefully, we can see more information on biotraces

and whether if it's just the AE name for the "Trackers" used also for unnested Dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

wait a minute

Dondi
you're killing me with this coordinate system

https://gyazo.com/1d0556e1c50beb5f998d0818145a0b7a
have a look

notice anything weird?

[ionic sable]

I understand the pain.

The letters and the numbers start at seemingly random numbers.

Not at "A" or "1"

Just some random spot in between.

[ionic sable]

Figuring out the sectors from the trail cams and this map gives me a funny headache.

[acoustic osprey]

it's bad and rough
but here is what you can take from it

typically
The alphabet is on the X-axis
and the numbers on the Y-Axis

[ionic sable]

Oh yeah, and the number sections seem to be smaller than the letters.

[acoustic osprey]

why has it been inversed

[acoustic osprey]

AND THIS

[ionic sable]

That too, that threw me for like 2 hours.

[acoustic osprey]

and the coordinates are also INVERSED

Q1 is (-,-)
and Q4 is (+,+)

[ionic sable]

I eventually just gave up, I need at least one more number and one more letter to even bother trying to chart them.

[ionic sable]

YYYYYUP.

Pain.

Actually just pain.

It confused the absolute hell out of me when charting it.

[acoustic osprey]

which means I'm wrong and this is actually H4
😊
https://gyazo.com/301d535546dd9f585a996e6fe707dd74

[acoustic osprey]

this and Spiro
both truly hell with their coordinates

maybe it's that North is south and South is North

but it can't be

as we know the map is likely slightly adjusted

because Southwest Access is just West

[ionic sable]

Or maybe Apollo is just built different.

[acoustic osprey]

[ionic sable]

AGONY

[steel summit]

yep, its pain

[acoustic osprey]

which is fair, makes the map feel more natural as it's roughly in 1:1

[ionic sable]

NO

IT JUST INSTILLS PAIN

NO SENSE

ONLY PAIN

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-ruffles-potato-chips-gif-22001380

[steel summit]

it's both

[marsh cairn]

Where does industrial revolution fit in the isle lore?

[acoustic osprey]

right somewhere

[steel summit]

someplace

[acoustic osprey]

I seen to have made a mistake

and now I am more than confused

H4, the coordinate itself, does not exist

This is the West Outpost that should be in H4/I4

https://gyazo.com/1bb7e9bfdc3a11b06fa1c72dc5501e55

[steel summit]

Hmm

[dusk pier]

What if the devs aren't just not giving to much new lore due to them being to busy with the game than plot but instead they are saving it for a single player game experience

Playing as a omni on the map and later other dinos following a story would make sense

[lethal moat]

We’ll get most, if not all of it at some point

If not, I think the lore chat would riot

[iron anchor]

i would like a single player game centered around matriarch and it’s phases

[lethal moat]

But what if we get something like that in Evrima

[iron anchor]

true that’s better

Lolmao

[lethal moat]

Even if it not playable or alive in the Evrima game, video tapes or lab reports would give me warm and fuzzies

[iron anchor]

i pray for playable matriarch, hopefully dev gods answer prayers

i guess how would that even work though, looking at tapwings art

it would have to adapt differently to the situations we put it in and the diet we give it, whole lot of work just for someone to have fun with a video game creature

although i wouldn’t mind if it was the 6 phases we were shown and it sticks to that in game

[low scarab]

What’s biotrace?

[dusk pier]

🫥

[low scarab]

Also I feel like tisso and GUTS should be moved down one

We haven’t even been in guts yet

[lethal moat]

Check the essay that Isaac typed in the #look-what-i-made chat in the lore server

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

We have found 1 tunnel we can get into with a station looking thing in it,

I do like how PC stuff is at the bottom with things that have like, singular obscure mentions on the iceburg

If we want to try placing any lore relevance on this image, the blood trail starts inside and makes its way outside, so either the troodons dragged the poor sod outside (less likely) or he was injured by something as tried to get outside to escape before he ran into the horde (more likely)

(The reason I say less likely/more likely is because of the way the blood is splattered, it’s doesn’t look like it was dragged, looks more like leakage)

[low scarab]

Or it’s just spoopy wallpaper

[low scarab]

True it’s only one tunnel and it’s very short

[lethal moat]

I’m just trying to make a point

It’s a part of GUTS

I’m going to bring back up a theory that I think someone made awhile ago, but something reminded me of it, gen 1 could have all been alone until the replicator united them in a society and then overthrew the humans, the Marxist isle theory if you will

[low scarab]

Very true js hope/expect we will get a lot more things to peek at when the full tunnel system is opened up

[low scarab]

That’s very interesting I like the idea

[low scarab]

Or when gateway itself releases and we can see the map through spectator mode

[lethal moat]

Spectator mode is going to be useful for video making about lore as well as for lore itself

[lethal moat]

Heresy

[lethal moat]

Wonder if Gen 2 can mess with cameras to reduce the effectivness of the replicator

[steel summit]

use gun to destroy camera

[lethal moat]

Too loud, just write "nerd" on a post-it note and put it over the camera

[steel summit]

good idea

[sour rivet]

Welp

[meager junco]

Like hack into a nearby terminal and turn them off?

[lethal moat]

Something like that

[acoustic osprey]

the placements are just all based off the poll info

[low scarab]

Gotcha

[pseudo forge]

Dinosaurs.

[steel summit]

yes

and more

[low scarab]

ai robot that demands sacrifices

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[pseudo forge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[pseudo forge]

I'm sorry what

I knew most of the lore but I think that's outdated now cuz I don't remember reading about that

[lethal moat]

It exists

[pseudo forge]

How did we get Herr?

Here

[lethal moat]

Check the pinned comments

[pseudo forge]

K

So uhh basically gen 1s worshiped cameras? That were controlled by a ai made by ae?

[lethal moat]

Pretty much, but the ai is still around and gives them rewards

Can I interest you in a lore server?

[pseudo forge]

Sure

But I don't look into lore often

[pseudo forge]

Do we know what rewards and how?

[lethal moat]

We don't know how, but one of the rewards is transforming into "The Eyeless" we don't know much about what that is

[pseudo forge]

Huh

I hope the isle dives deeper and embraces the lore even more

[lethal moat]

They will

[pseudo forge]

It's very interesting

[lethal moat]

It is very interesting

[pseudo forge]

Also will legacy become non cannon?

[lethal moat]

Legacy lore rn isn't canon, and legacy will be wiped from the face of the earth eventually

[pseudo forge]

Thought that were the case

Thanks I'm now a lot more invested in the kore

[lethal moat]

Hehe

https://tenor.com/view/once-you-start-no-going-back-daddy-talk-gif-12390474

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

aspects have and may come back

but not all of Legacy's lore will be