isle-lore-theories

[dusky valley]

Then I hope that spino doesn’t bully spino with ease if they are literally the same size

Or I might be tripping cause sometimes it looks bigger than spino

[lethal moat]

Deino was an actual creature they're attempting to replicate

[dusky valley]

But they couldn’t replicate it fully or was the only one that they could?

[lethal moat]

@acoustic osprey How long have you dealt with those goobers over in the lore server? They're very excitable I don't know how dondi does his job lol

[lethal moat]

Replicate is to try to recreate something, so they're getting as close as they can (presumibly)

[dusky valley]

Well even if they couldn’t they can always throw in crocodile or in deino’s case alligator

People say deino isn’t part of the apex team

[lethal moat]

It is an apex, but it's seperate from the apex system (for now at least)

[dusky valley]

True

But with aquatics coming to the game when the main roster comes in ( I know we will get them in the future cause) what will be the first two you can think of being part of the playable roster

[lethal moat]

Aquatics aren't going to be a thingy

[dusky valley]

Well dondi said he does want aquatics in the game but you might be right but let’s hope they can be playables

[lethal moat]

#isle-discussion message

[lethal moat]

Semi-aquatics and aquatics are very different

[dusky valley]

Yea but it would be nice to have them being in the game

As playables

[lethal moat]

Semi-aquatics are confirmed, and aquatics are a maybe

[dusky valley]

Dondi wants them in but much later something after the main roster comes in atleast

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[dusky valley]

True but if they are gonna be playable what fully aquatics do you see realistically coming into the game?

[lethal moat]

The ones seen in that concept most likely, mosa, a plesiasaur, and the other one I can never remember

This isn't lore conversation tho

[dusky valley]

True

But how are the tribals gonna work in the game?

[lethal moat]

Gen 1

[dusky valley]

Do they have like a sacrifice or ritual feature where they get certain buffs

[lethal moat]

And they'll survive like everything else, in addition to sacraficing things to the replicator for rewards

[lethal moat]

Pretty much

[dusky valley]

So will the ritual foods they get give them a perfect diet since gen 1 are gonna play similar to the creatures like when it comes to diets

Also would village building be a thing for them

[lethal moat]

The sacrafice goes to the replicator, so they probably don't get food when they sacrafice things, and we don't know what their gameplay loop is like yet beyond what I've told you

[lethal moat]

Maybe building on top of human structures was mentioned once awhile back

[dusky valley]

What is the replicator?

[lethal moat]

AI that made the dinos

You should check the pinned comments and read the first doc real quick

[dusky valley]

So they are the reasons why we still have Dino’s

[dusky valley]

Ok

[dusky valley]

I fine gen 1 unique now since they are technically still the reason why we still have dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

I don't understand?

[dusky valley]

You said the replicator creates dinosaurs and gen 1 sacrifices stuff to the ai so I thought they are the reason why we still have them

[lethal moat]

We still don't know why dinosaurs were made

There is a timeline, and the dinosaurs were here before gen 1 sacrificed things to the replicator

[dusky valley]

Ohh

So we basically no nothing about gen 1 except some lore and they are playable

We don’t even know what the look like

[lethal moat]

That I can help you with

[steel summit]

the v2 is more what i'd expect the eyeless to look like but yeah

[dusky valley]

What the hell

[lethal moat]

It's a gen 1, we don't know anything about the eyeless lol

[nocturne cosmos]

Eye,ess and all those names have gotten mixed around

[steel summit]

i know, but still

[nocturne cosmos]

So stuff we called eyeless it scttsuly gen 1 and stuff and we still don’t know what eyeless is

Names got mixed up a while ago so abunch of stuff that used to be other stuff has swapped names

[lethal moat]

eyeless exsists, but the thing without ewyes here is just a varient gen 1 and not actually an eyeless

[dusky valley]

Why do gen 1 look like this I thought they look like Neanderthals or cavemen not this?

[lethal moat]

That is legacy stuff and outdated

What i've got here is fresh

Jesus I sound like a drug dealer

[nocturne cosmos]

Basically most of the stuff we did know has been changed and we only have a few new bits of info now

[dusky valley]

Well damn but are they gonna look more human? Like Neanderthal since they are technically not humans

[lethal moat]

What I just showed you is what they will look like

And gen 2 is john cake lol

[dusky valley]

Goddamn

Why do they look like hideous monsters

[lethal moat]

I DM'd you an invite to a lore server if you're interested

[dusky valley]

Ok I’ll take

[lethal moat]

Likely that the experiments didn't go the way they wanted, so gen 1 is the failure, gen 2 is the success, though gen 1 likely provided lessons that allowed the creation of gen 2

[dusky valley]

Well damn

I though gen 2 were just Neanderthals that failed since they became savage and bred like rabbits and got out and well survived when the humans left

[lethal moat]

Nope

They've got culture, though they're still savage

[dusky valley]

That is disturbing that gen 1 looks like that

Will they get clothes at least

[lethal moat]

The replicator is not without it's protectors

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[dusky valley]

I used to think gen 1 were the indigenous people that were on the islands before AE came or that they were just clone cavemen not this

[lethal moat]

Nope, AE made them

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-much-to-learn-you-still-have-wiser-gif-11171889

[dusky valley]

Well someone might mod in human tribals

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[dusky valley]

Or maybe ewoks from Star Wars

[lethal moat]

Mods will be neat, but this isn't the place

[dusky valley]

And we can do some Vietnam stuff with those little things

[light nacelle]

I've said it before but the fact the Gen 1's are smart enough to have culture and a religion but still hunt and kill with their teeth and claws is horrifying to me

[lethal moat]

It's fantastic

[steel summit]

they use primite weapons

[light nacelle]

Is that still true?

[lethal moat]

More than primate, because they use spears

[light nacelle]

I mean tbf, Cannibals have since merged with Gen 1's

so its entirely possible

[steel summit]

kinda

[lethal moat]

Primates use twigs and such to fish for termites and stuff, but I'm not sure they use spears

[steel summit]

they could theoretically, but they couldnt throw them like we do

[light nacelle]

The concept art as of a few years ago had them grappling/clawing a Carno, but again that was before they merged to being Gen 1's

[lethal moat]

Those lanky arms could create a lot of torque

[steel summit]

yeah im talking about primates, not gen 1, gen 1 could 100% throw a spear like we do

its all about balance

[lethal moat]

Yeah, maybve even better

[light nacelle]

I suppose the question will be if Gen 1's will need weapons. I'm sure they'll have the option, to set them apart from playing a Dino.

[steel summit]

no need, if you know how powerful spears can be thrown it doesnt need to be better

[lethal moat]

Hypers got thicc armor, and anky's bony plates aren't going to crack themselves

[steel summit]

yeah of course, but i dont see gen 1 hunting anky by throwing spears, i'd guess they use traps as well

[light nacelle]

Tbh it wouldn't shock me if Gen 1's just avoided Hypers entirely lmao

[lethal moat]

Most things would

[steel summit]

yep

[lethal moat]

I can see them doing something like a wooly mammoth hunt on an anky

[steel summit]

maybe, id reckon trapping it in a hole or something and just dropping boulders on it

[light nacelle]

Again if they keep as-per their concept art, they're not too much slower than a Carno at a sprint. I could see them going after the larger, slower herbivores like Stegs and such.

[lethal moat]

I think they swapped from ground speed to climbing speed

Combining spears and ropes could work, pull it back, anchor it down

[light nacelle]

Imagine being the poor Herrera who gets their tree raided by a pack of hungry hybrids lol

[steel summit]

the cannibal concept?, yeah if i'd compare it with a lore creature i'd use eyeless but idk

[light nacelle]

But again, I suppose that depends on just how inhuman they're gonna make the Gen 1's, mentality wise.

Like, do they cook food or do they just eat it raw? Do they need traps and such with their natural weaponry, etc.

They're smart enough to worship the Replicator but not smart enough to understand what it is.

[lethal moat]

We need to find that line

[acoustic osprey]

no

[steel summit]

alright

[lethal moat]

Why tho

[eternal harness]

idk

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat buddy

[steel summit]

umm

[lethal moat]

<@&933486433342222376>

[steel summit]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-15067477579594302441

[iron anchor]

lol

[steel summit]

Context: a guy posted a Grabify link

[pure lodge]

Still find it funny how someone tried to make a OC in this chat

[steel summit]

? OC?

[pure lodge]

Lemme snag the message

Here it is

[steel summit]

Lol

[pure lodge]

I’m still trying to find out why the Rex is named Shirley or am I just going far too insane to find a reference and they just named a Rex Shirley

[lethal moat]

For now we just know it's a rex, we need to wait to find out more

[acoustic osprey]

@icy onyx
TOLD YOU

just water!

Don confirmed it

[tulip igloo]

We've named rexes "Sue" and "Stan" irl

[pure lodge]

Mainly cus they were highly important since sue and Stan are some of the best and most studied specimens

[icy onyx]

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[icy onyx]

i could dream (i overanalyze)

[acoustic osprey]

You will

[patent ginkgo]

Ahem

[sour rivet]

What if it’s all just a dream

[river marsh]

I again point out as an artist that if it was light we'd see the face more rather than deep shadow. The spot/hole is also the exact same color as the background! ...admittedly however i have no clue what it is with or without the hole so meh lol

[tulip igloo]

It's not uncommon to have lighting situations in which glare can appear in front of a silhouette, while the silhouette stays in shadow. I've taken photos that have that

It's also important to note that the same light that causes the glare is also lighting up the background, so it would make sense for them to be similar in color

[sour rivet]

I as a botanist say that i disagree

[river marsh]

It would be. But is it all that common to have that complete lack of diffusion? The spot also moves rather than sticking to one point which a glare would likely do as the head moves around

[tulip igloo]

Well, a hole would not move. there isn't much else it could be, so you could chock it up as a lighting error

[river marsh]

...im saying the hole is probably part of the nares and nostrils of the animal. Some vultures you can see through the head via the nares

[tulip igloo]

I'm not sure why it moves around, but all I'm saying is that there can be lighting situations that work that way, glare appearing in front of silhouettes while not actually reflecting off said silhouettes, so they stay completely dark

[river marsh]

So a hole not moving would be cause for concern

We are likely just seeing it at diff angles

Glare is possible, but if it was glare, the head could move and the dot wouldnt

[strange shell]

So uh
I asked Dondi during his stream
It's not a hole

It's just a reflection of light

[river marsh]

Honestly its a stupid argument anyway so if thats true good lol

Wed prob just be best off comparing the teeth to herrera when it comes out and see if thats what it is

[strange shell]

It's probably just a herrera

[iron anchor]

it has the same teeth

[tulip igloo]

Also we see Augustus in clearer lighting and there is no visible hole

Sorry for the reply pong that was an accident

[iron anchor]

there were several discussions on this before and all lead to the conclusion it was herrara in a weird position

[river marsh]

We do see augustus ye. The video just points out the creature is unknown in the first clip which, given the timing, made me think it was a separate animal. But thats also likely

[tulip igloo]

I watched it again, I'm pretty sure they call the herrera Augustus directly after the camera biting clip

[patent ginkgo]

Dondi said it’s just Augustus

[river marsh]

Okay good

[tulip igloo]

Just want to say it's really awesome to see lore tidbits of individual playables like troodon and herra, hope this becomes a trend

[river marsh]

^^^

[slender swallow]

Need my Kevin the Omni next

[subtle goblet]

So is Augustus a code name for the species, or is it the individual Herra seen in camera?

[nimble fractal]

Individual herrera

[swift echo]

somebody who was here during the entire duration of Legacy's lore prime give me a summary (however long it may be) of the Olympus Transmitter

I need it for the archives

[sour rivet]

Legacy is ent-cannoned

[swift echo]

obv

[sour rivet]

Dude I can’t read shi didn’t even see „Olympus Transmitter“

My bad

[swift echo]

convinced you're on something 24/7 now

[sour rivet]

Nuh uh

[swift echo]

explain this then

[sour rivet]

What if it smells you back. OK NEW THEORY

what if we combine humans (Gen2s) with plants

[swift echo]

im gonna just...stand back

away

[slender swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/annihilation-plants-human-shape-annihilation-gifs-branches-gif-9866903

[sour rivet]

Love it the lore is so ambiguous that such statements can be possible

It’s all thanks to Dondi

[swift echo]

I mean

[sour rivet]

Praise the Zazasaurus

[swift echo]

Legacy art said we had Hyper plants

||(i think its legacy could be getting my timelines messed up)||

[sour rivet]

HYPER PLANTS ??!

Bro… the possibilities are infinit

[swift echo]

some 1 show them

i dont have any pictures

[swift echo]

somebody answer this too 😭

[sour rivet]

I would Ping Rumple or Isaac but I already probably look like a lunatic in their eyes so I wouldn’t wanna damage my reputation any further

[swift echo]

lol

[iron anchor]

oh yeah you’re awaking ancient memories

lemme see if i can find them

[swift echo]

also are we ever going to talk about ERRANT-291 again?

that creeped me out

[swift echo]

esp w islecord adding their neurotenic and mimicking theories

[swift echo]

yeah

that

[iron anchor]

i can’t find them but i’m 67.2% sure tapwing made the art for the hyper trees

[swift echo]

im around 58/93 sure

[iron anchor]

Lol

i really can’t find them

maybe it was all a collective hallucination

[patent ginkgo]

I remember, it was like the size of a skyscraper next to a spino

[iron anchor]

i found it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/993947153682661406/Massive_Plant.jpg?ex=6553bcec&is=654147ec&hm=1e054f735ba926fbad9a9874f824b0cbc25290c4de9856f6f6cd6b83ab314160&

spino down at the base of it

[patent ginkgo]

Tree my beloved

[iron anchor]

shade for the entire gateway map

[iron anchor]

@sour rivet

[swift echo]

can't forget the massive carnivorous plant either 4531

[patent ginkgo]

The knights that say… nih!

[iron anchor]

unfortunately i haven’t seen that one

[swift echo]

lemme try to find it

OH YES! THIS!

[iron anchor]

Lol jesus

[sour rivet]

Dayum

What is that

That looks wild

[swift echo]

this

[sour rivet]

Ice Age 3

[swift echo]

combined with this

[sour rivet]

Best movie of all time

[swift echo]

indeed

and maybe an octopus

[sour rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/making-a-difference-can-be-fun-randy-marsh-south-park-south-park-pajama-day-south-park-s25e1-gif-24757432

And this ?

[swift echo]

[sour rivet]

Would be effective

If the enemy isn’t capable to think it can’t run

[iron anchor]

you should ask for the stoner role in rumples server

[sour rivet]

Probably

[swift echo]

agreed

[low scarab]

What’s that

[low scarab]

And how are we talking about strain plants WITHOUT ME

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1142255489200168980/IMG_6068.png?ex=654ecc52&is=653c5752&hm=52705463be422cde90eee7c1ce9d0499d62c94da51eef3b47e59d00028623c3d&

[iron anchor]

Lol

is that like a baby version of the one above

[low scarab]

No it’s a different one

[patent ginkgo]

Due to the large presence in the jungles of gateway of what seem to be monsterra and ceiba trees, I propose a theory that gateway is located either in the Caribbean, or more likely off the coast of central/South America

[low scarab]

I thought I heard something they were either man made or an inland island

But I’m really intruiged by don saying “some with kill you some are a lot less merciful than that some melt you some with irreparably change you and some will take parts of you away you didn’t know you had”

[bleak flint]

the devs need to add back puerta right now

[patent ginkgo]

Wrong channel

[acoustic osprey]

Lore character, in pinned messages

[acoustic osprey]

It's one of the "one time only things" Don has referred to iirc

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/hndrxxgoingbad-huh-judge-gif-24085004

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[acoustic osprey]

lol

There will be, hopefully, more similar to ERRANT-291

[swift echo]

but no more on 291's specific incident?

[acoustic osprey]

most likely

[swift echo]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-insane-crazy-snow-white-clap-gif-17191672

[lethal moat]

I would love confirmation on something neuro-related or whether it was just sabatoge by either another company or an employee

[acoustic osprey]

honestly 291 is truly mysterous in the report and nature

[acoustic osprey]

also check document again when you can, lol

[lethal moat]

I'm at my pc now

[acoustic osprey]

thanks!

[lethal moat]

I want to lean towards the echidna as far as pinning it down goes, but this could be an early warning sign for the fall/abandonment of the island, somebody/something was looking for something specific.

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[robust ether]

Is hellshades doc still worth reading?

[acoustic osprey]

relatively

[lethal moat]

It's got more stuff from legacy, and we've recently been seeing lots of stuff changed or resurface

[robust ether]

Alright so it sounds fairly worth it

[lethal moat]

Check tghe pinned comments

Isaac and I are the ones who wrote those docs

[grand sigil]

That's better

Sorry for being unintelligent :(

Anyways I will skim through that again to make sure I didn't miss anything

Damn can't find where it mentions Tartarus and Olympus besides in the latest Herrera video

What I DO know is that it's underground

Probably underground

[acoustic osprey]

well, besides word from Dondi here
and old Legacy lore

[lethal moat]

Tartarus is a creation/ containment area, olympus is likely a control center

[acoustic osprey]

and/or Olympus CC is the control centre within Gateway
In which communes back to to "Olympus (HQ)"

which might be on another island/mainland

or is literally being put within Olympus CC within Gateway

[lethal moat]

The fact that there are multiple islands slightly complicates things

[grand sigil]

Another thing that gets me is “entombment”
Like, WHAT

[lethal moat]

There is a place called "The Tomb" that was described as a library, so I think it's where they store successful projects for replication

[brazen cradle]

Yo Don, if you're here, can you say anything on the strain trees?

[acoustic osprey]

Oh also Rump

Don detailed what the code is for Augustus

[lethal moat]

HRS.12-S.174 right?

[acoustic osprey]

HRS is the dino species
12-S is the location
174 is the unique number for it

[lethal moat]

Oh thats neat, useful for figuring things out

For future incidents

Can we learn more about this?

Interesting how they have separate ways of classifying human (maybe gen 2) incidents vs dino incidents

[slender swallow]

What actually are these Gen 1-2 things? Are they primitive hybrids that are feral or do they actually posses intelligence? Do they help the normal humans in that case?

[lethal moat]

Recreations humanity from scratch

Gen 1 are the funky looking ones and likely a stepping stone for gen 2 who look decently normal, but they also look really nice

[slender swallow]

So, do they have personalities and stuff? Social intelligence?

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are smart enough to have a religion and sacrafice things to a god, create alters, etc

[acoustic osprey]

they are cultists

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 are basically just people, but recreated

[slender swallow]

So....

What you're saying is they are like...

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals

[slender swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/quaritch-the-way-of-water-mask-off-avatar-avatar2-gif-27292034

[acoustic osprey]

yes but cooler

[lethal moat]

Similar

[slender swallow]

That sounds... awesome

[acoustic osprey]

but more like the actual Avatars species
not the humans who turned themselves

[tall trench]

No it doesn't trust me

[acoustic osprey]

tell me

[lethal moat]

That's a good way of describing it

I think it's cool af

[tall trench]

Bad for humans

[acoustic osprey]

Tell me why

[acoustic osprey]

but just more monsterous 😊

[lethal moat]

Humans aren't here boi, doesn't matter

[tall trench]

Ain't nothin but a heart beat

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987787300090044426/1017533795597041785/caption-2-1.gif

[slender swallow]

But surely the Gen 2s who are I imagine smarter than Gen 1s, Gen 1s already having things like religion and whatnot, could be reasoned with and help normal humans no?

[lethal moat]

I really want to sympathize with gen 1s cause and the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

I presume, in intelligence, that Gen1s aren't super dumb
nor close to dumb

[lethal moat]

True humans likely won't be playable in the game

[acoustic osprey]

smart
but without the technology of the contemporary world

[slender swallow]

I'll be honest I just want to see a Gen 2 rock up with military gear, Oakleys and using a M240b as an assault rifle

[acoustic osprey]

the ability to actually create a whole religion/cult aspect (a theology)
shows they have some sense of understanding of mortality and morality

[lethal moat]

Assult rifles are up in the air, we know about 4 firearms and like 2 melee weapons

[acoustic osprey]

with a few bullets on hand 🤏

[slender swallow]

Hmmm... this gives me an idea

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are going to be fun, I see it as an in-between of dinosaur gameplay and gen 2 gameplay, with The Eyeless being up in the air since we know so little

[tall trench]

They are probably going to be buddhist LOL

Ain't no way that typa creature not being buddhist

[lethal moat]

That's a little insulting

[tall trench]

Nah if they know how to pray they either gon pray to something that they can see

[lethal moat]

They commit sacrafices and sacrafice things to the replicator, much more similar to aztec sacrafices

[tall trench]

Yeah kind of buddhism

[lethal moat]

What the actual hell are you talking about?

[tall trench]

They sacfirice their things to the object too

[lethal moat]

They give up objects, not track and hunt down things to murder them and sacrafice them

[tall trench]

Similar still

[lethal moat]

nO

[tall trench]

Okey

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, Buddhist’s aren't theistic

[lethal moat]

Buddists choose to live with little, gen 1 murder things for fun and give the bodies to an ai

There are almost zero similarities

[acoustic osprey]

unlike Tribals
which believe in a God (The Replicator)

[acoustic osprey]

literally abducting Gen2s

[tall trench]

Tribals? I forgot what did they look like

[acoustic osprey]

@modern rover Don confirmed Tribals abducting
but he said it will be brief, nothing like proper trapping

[lethal moat]

Gen 1, not tribal

[acoustic osprey]

it's still fine to call them Tribals

[tall trench]

I know this the gen1

[modern rover]

wdym by abducting

[lethal moat]

Was this during the stream todfay?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[modern rover]

oh i missed it lol

[acoustic osprey]

Literally abducting you, the player

[lethal moat]

Tribals ~ gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

it was at midnight anyways

[modern rover]

taming?

[tall trench]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals is just a interchangable name for Generation One
Gen1 being their actual lore name

[modern rover]

because frankly the concept of having gen 2s be stolen in the night sounds horrifying

[tall trench]

I know

[acoustic osprey]

No
just temp holding onto people

I believe in reference to Gen2s

[slender swallow]

I remember they used to be called cannibals

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/and-and-god-and-god-taketh-away-kaibaleo-vivethemodder-gif-15093236649171076156

[lethal moat]

The eyeless used to be called cannibals

[modern rover]

weird, i wonder why they'd do that though

[acoustic osprey]

Well
Technically yes
but prior to that, Cannibals were The Eyeless

[lethal moat]

Fresher

[acoustic osprey]

then Don said no
cannibals were tribals, not eyeless creatures

[acoustic osprey]

likely to take hold on them to sacrifice them to The Replicator

[slender swallow]

Remember on V3 the dome housed a cannibal

[modern rover]

live sacrifice > taming tbh

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[modern rover]

i hope taming gets tossed tbh

like its the one mechanic tribals have that i feel just disrupts a lot of the gameflow and fun

also tribals really don't mesh well with working with other dinos

their mobility makes it difficult for their "pets" to really work with them well

[lethal moat]

I like the "offer semi-servitude" in exchange for spareing your life, maybe even if it's not a mechanic, just a player interaction

[modern rover]

the fanatic cult approach sounds a lot more fun and scary, plus it grants a proper gameflow/objective

[slender swallow]

Going by how large and seemingly slender they are, Im pretty sure the Gens are super fast compared to a normal human

[modern rover]

i also like the idea of them primarily targeting gen 2s for their abductions, and dinosaurs for food

[modern rover]

they likely will be, as well as we know that they're adapt climbers

[lethal moat]

We know they can climb really well, and they were at least as fast as a carno in legacy

[modern rover]

gen 1 stand between the enhanced mobility, senses and physical traits of the island's creatures, and the intellegence and craftiness of gen 2

they aren't the best at either, but they have both

[lethal moat]

I like it

[slender swallow]

Can they talk?

[modern rover]

likely to each other

i hope they'll get gen 2's proxy VC

[lethal moat]

They have a social structurwe thing, so probably

[slender swallow]

Hmm

They seem pretty much on par with human intelligence then, don't know why they revolved to being Machine worshipping cultists

[lethal moat]

Echidna>eyeless>gen 1> food

[modern rover]

they're likely not as smart as gen 2

or regular humans

[lethal moat]

They just were never taught anything else more than likely, just released into a dinosaur infested island for testing

[modern rover]

or more specifically, they don't have as evolved a culture

they are new to this world, their people only came into existence within like, the past decade

[slender swallow]

Ohhh I looked it up on the wiki, Gen 2s are literally the exact same as Recoms from Avatar 2 lol

[lethal moat]

The wiki is a little sketchy

[modern rover]

their language and social structure is entirely constructed around the few things they actually understand
1: This giant metal thing made them, and is literally God by that logic, and thus it must be served
2: They can eat flesh
3: You can craft materials into bigger things

[lethal moat]

But comparing them to native Na' Vi has been done multiple times and seems fairly accurate so far

[modern rover]

They could arguably be quite smart, but they literally do not have the same level of understanding as we do because their entire history is less than a decade long

[lethal moat]

That's a good summary

[slender swallow]

So Gen 2s are literally the same as normal humans just slightly better, then Gen 1s are huge hybrid monsters basically

[modern rover]

yea

[lethal moat]

Monstrosity is subjective but yeah

[modern rover]

they aren't really hybrids either

since they're more kinda just... made that way

[slender swallow]

Ahhh okay see this is where I was getting confused, I thought Gen 2s were the same as Gen 1s just with more intelligence

[modern rover]

gen 2s are regular people (for the mostpart)

[lethal moat]

Here is gen 2

[modern rover]

they're virtually indistinguishable from today's man, besides the perfection part

[slender swallow]

AE should have made them 9 ft tall :(

[modern rover]

AE wants to make humans

Gen 1 isn't really... human

[lethal moat]

7-9 foot ballpark for gen 1

[slender swallow]

Whats better than a human? a 9 foot human

[modern rover]

but they want to make something as close to humanity as possible

gen 1s are overly tall

it's interesting to note that basically nothing on the island is cloned

cloning really is not a thing here

[lethal moat]

I think gen 1 was a failed experiment turned learning experience that was much worse than the company thought

[modern rover]

which kinda means gen 2s are also technically not human

since they're kind of, by definition, their own species

[lethal moat]

I love the isle lore, but it's hard to explain the intricacies of it lol

[modern rover]

they aren't made of human DNA, they're basically trying to "redraw a human using a reference sheet"

[slender swallow]

Im gonna be that one Gen 1 that is "normal" and helps out Gen 2s, you cannot stop me I do not care, I will be the Caesar of Gen 1s

[modern rover]

honestly, gen 2 technically also gets around the cloning laws about humans

[lethal moat]

You're the first to die

[modern rover]

since gen 2s technically are not a cloned human

[lethal moat]

I have no doubt gen 1 is not above sacrificing their own to the replicator

[slender swallow]

Imagine a group of Gen 2s find a new guy and they're showing him around the makeshift base and inside is this eldritch horror that stands 9 feet tall.

"Oh don't mind him thats just Kevin, he's pretty chill"

[modern rover]

i mean, i'm not against the concept of a generation 1 attempting to seek more understanding of its world and trying to understand these other creatures that look somewhat like itself

because they're still intellegent enough to develop a personality such as that

[slender swallow]

I mean we already have Carno and Omni players that chill with Gen 2s, why can't I as a Tribal

[modern rover]

the issue would arise where a tribe of generation 1, who we know are literally cannibals, discovers this and decides to take action

[lethal moat]

If someone gets between the replicator and me by helping gen 2, I would rip them to shreds

[modern rover]

i like the idea of a curious gen 1 simply trying to understand things. its not unlikely for one to deviate from a savage nature

[slender swallow]

This

[lethal moat]

Because gen 1 probably has a mechanic where you get benefits from sacrificing things to the replicator

[slender swallow]

Literally me as Gen 1: "If not fren, why fren shaped"

[modern rover]

generation 1 can't really help generation 2, but they can try to understand

[slender swallow]

Oh I'm not sayin I would be doing anything for them per say, Just kind of hanging around watching

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/canipetthatdog-that-dog-pet-dog-doggo-puppies-gif-18562867

[modern rover]

gen 1 can be compared to chimps. They're absolute savages, especially when in groups that enable the behaviour, as we can see with some especially horrible chimp factions, but chimps can come to try and understand their environment, especially when they aren't surrounded by a specific behaviour

[lethal moat]

Yet another good comparison

[slender swallow]

POV: The friendly Gen 1 clan has found you (You are a gen 2 with no weapons)

https://tenor.com/view/dogs-talking-bark-group-of-dogs-gif-24518561

[modern rover]

If the Gen 1 has no tribe to interact with, thus limited resources, it might as well spend its time with generation 2, because as a human player, having that interaction would be more interesting than aimlessly wandering the forest

especially if a tribe has it after you, you could try to seek companionship from the gen 2s, even if there exists a real risk of death

[slender swallow]

Also a possibly canonical thing for a Gen 1 to do if they have no tribe, I imagine they go insane without social interaction like a normal person so they align themselves with anything capable of having a social relationship with them (Gen 2s)

[modern rover]

i would probably enable a friendly tribal, given i had protection in case it decides to go feral

[lethal moat]

We know in a melee only fight, gen 2 stands no chance against gen 1

[modern rover]

which is why as a solo gen 2, i'd never befriend a tribal. However, a small group of gen 2 that can blast the tribal if it tries something would be helpful

[slender swallow]

Oh god, why does it remind of that freaky movie Where the wild things are, where the kid had to hide in the stomach of one of the big monster things to avoid the other big monster things

"Kevin, I can smell a human around here, where is it"

"Hmm?... Say what? There's no human around here, watchu talkin bout?"

[modern rover]

one thing that's a weird niche thing i love about games is communication barriers and getting around them

the concept of a tribal attempting to express things to another creature is super cool. It's why I'm against global or herd chat, because reacting to a dryosaurus suddenly 4 calling is way cooler than "rex east"

[slender swallow]

I also love this, though I can imagine trying to befriend a Gen 2 with an itchy trigger finger as a tribal will be immensely difficult

[modern rover]

exactly

its not going to be commonplace, especially since you need to explain to everyone "don't kill the 9 foot savage, he's just here to chill"

[slender swallow]

Now there's the reverse, a tribe of Gen 1s taking in a regular human

[modern rover]

im more doubtful, since y'know, sacrifice

[slender swallow]

Thats the trade off

[fair arrow]

if i had a gen 1 around me at all times

even if its friendly, im keeping some sort of weapon on me at all times

[slender swallow]

"Hey buddy come with me, I have a settlement thats safe"

Enters the tribal sacrifical chamber

[modern rover]

exactly

[slender swallow]

Reminds me of birdbox, where someone would pretend to be a normal person to trick people into looking at the "things"

[modern rover]

it's literally like being near a chimp

chimps will literally just go insane out of nowhere because they aren't in a natural environment

[slender swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-gif-26080588

Tribal gameplay ^

[fair arrow]

MMM

MONKEY USE STICK AND STICK, MONKEY MAKE FIRE

insert excited monkey sounds

[slender swallow]

We do a little Gen 1 trolling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV7jcuV9r5k

[fair arrow]

lol

most friendly gen 1 and gen 2 encounter:

[slender swallow]

Did you hear... about the Gen 1 that escaped Containment

No I did not 😀

... Thats because I'm a very quiet Gen 1

[solar cobalt]

Who are gen 2?

[robust pilot]

humans

[solar cobalt]

What do they do?

[acoustic osprey]

The human playables
They, unlike the old mercenaries of legacy lore, won't be killing things as a playstyle

[solar cobalt]

So why are they there? On the island?

What is the point?

Do they work there? Do researches?

[acoustic osprey]

They are likely researching the islands
Under Apollo Engineering

But nothing known or set in stone yet

[modern rover]

repairing certain structures of interest as well

[solar cobalt]

So AE will provide us guns?

[modern rover]

and apparently there exists talk of a potential endgame goal involving them and the replicator, but that one is more of a concept

[modern rover]

i mean, if by "provide" you mean "you can find and scavenge them", then yes

but there's nothing on being actively provided with weapons

they literally spawn in with literally a flashlight and im pretty sure thats it

MAYBE a knife

[solar cobalt]

So what is the point of sending people unarmed?

What a waste of materials

[modern rover]

i mean, we don't even know if AE is sending them in or they're being remade by the replicator or what's going on with that

[solar cobalt]

Replicator has to be maintained by someone)

[modern rover]

gen 1

[solar cobalt]

Gen 1 are animals

[modern rover]

gen 1 actively does its every bidding

the only options for who is maintaining it are the echidna or the tribals

[solar cobalt]

Tribals are cancelled

[modern rover]

no they aren't

we literally just saw concept art of them in the last devlog

[solar cobalt]

Really send please

[modern rover]

tribals

or cannibals or gen 1

whatever you wanna call them, they go by many names

[solar cobalt]

But dud look at them

They are animals!

[modern rover]

they're smart enough to know how to build tools and structures and commit ritualistic sacrifice to serve the replicator

they are smart enough to literally have a religion

[solar cobalt]

Sounds super duper strange and goofy

[modern rover]

how

they're humans overall

just humans that weren't made right

[solar cobalt]

Gen 2 is just a bunch of nude regular humans

It's super boring

[modern rover]

how?

gen 2 can use guns and advanced technology

gen 1 can't

[solar cobalt]

But they are there, without anything

[fair arrow]

humans

they are humans, or the first attempt of making a human

gen 2 was more successful as you can see

[solar cobalt]

Yeah what but someone has to provide all cool things yeah?

Airdrop? Or what?

Running back and forward with a flashlight and a knife without any goals to complete

[lethal moat]

Most likely left in the bases and scavenged by gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

To create a whole religion shows high signs of intelligence

To literally create a structure, whether monotheistic or polytheistic, shows they too ponder, like normal humans, the very thought of existence

[lethal moat]

They will be able to repair and operate human structures, but we don’t know their overall reason for being there, other than it is possible for them to “win”

[acoustic osprey]

Even if it's literally aided by The Replicator herself too

Unless, however, they only do it such because they are enslaved to do so

Which doesn't seem the case

[modern rover]

they have goals, restore the structures around the island to an operational state

[acoustic osprey]

Why make art of her, unless your own culture is revolved around such deity spiritual? And not just forcefully

However, yes, Stockholm syndrome

[solar cobalt]

Dude have you ever worked and moved in another building, we leave nothing behind us, because my company doesn't like leaving our property behind

Especially guns!

[lethal moat]

The island was forcibly abandoned most likely

[solar cobalt]

Hmm makes sense

[acoustic osprey]

Unless they were forcefully pushed to leave it in such a sense

[lethal moat]

My current theory is gen 1 revolution drove everyone out

[solar cobalt]

Who could force them? Government?

[solar cobalt]

Dude, AE is a super big corp

[acoustic osprey]

Looking at the large amount of damage that is around the island
The world they have made

[solar cobalt]

I'm sure they couldn't just leave their property just for fun

[solar cobalt]

Even if there was a revolt of apes

[lethal moat]

Yeah, which is why I think gen 1 forced them out, maybe alongside some strain shenanagins

[fair arrow]

why they create dinos

[acoustic osprey]

Not just the Gen1s

But strains

[lethal moat]

They’re significantly smarter than that, and a strain, combined with the replicator taking things out electronically would do it

[solar cobalt]

Lol dude if someone broke into your office, you call police and take it back

[modern rover]

imagine if you ran a zoo, and all the animals got out, except the zoo is filled with super animals that are 4x more dangerous and also all the chimps are smarter, bigger and stronger than you, and want you dead

[lethal moat]

Not if everyone is dead

[modern rover]

also the zoo is exclusively on an island

[fair arrow]

alr so what we know is that AE wanted to recreate humanity
in doing so they made Gen 1 and Gen 2

but why did they need to create dinos

[solar cobalt]

Call my private security guys to fix it

[fair arrow]

and strains

[modern rover]

yea that doesnt work

[lethal moat]

One of the big questions

[fair arrow]

and all the other weird shi

[acoustic osprey]

(and you have a funny AI system which is sentient)

[modern rover]

when one of your zoo animals is immune to bullets

and the size of a building

[acoustic osprey]

where one can literally replicate the voices of humans, dead or alive, and transmit it as fake short range signals

[modern rover]

no amount of private security can deal with that

[solar cobalt]

Ae is not a bunch of guys on an island it's something like modern MONSATA absolute monster of business

[fair arrow]

what

[lethal moat]

Also, the assets are most likely incredibly expensive, and also you might be doing another experiment by sending in gen 2 without proper preparation

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna lore do be fun

[fair arrow]

how do you know there is an ai

[solar cobalt]

Dude nothing is immune to bullets

[modern rover]

hypers are

[lethal moat]

Replicator is confirmed

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna is not an AI
But, Replicator is an AI

from both Legacy lore and Evrima

[lethal moat]

Hyperendorin armor

[modern rover]

you shoot a hyper, you're not gonna see much traction

[acoustic osprey]

it was the thing that kept "replicating you back" every time YOU (the player) died in-game and played again

[fair arrow]

and the replicator only makes Gen 1, si?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[modern rover]

i dont think you understand how massive scale the event that left the islands abandoned actually was

[strange shell]

Hypers aren't immune to bullets
Just like humans aren't immune to mosquito stingers

[lethal moat]

Nap, makes all Dino’s and gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

likely both replicates Gen1s and Dinos
we are unsure about Gen2s for the moment and how they have arrived

[modern rover]

many, many people died on the days of the event, and there's no way they could've fought back

[fair arrow]

alr, and its powered by ai
and who built it

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

But it's not Alien-tech
we know that at least

[modern rover]

someone made the AI, more than likely Apollo but no one actually knows

[fair arrow]

isnt AE using it?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[lethal moat]

Alright, there are enough people who are well educated on the isle lore that I can feel comfortable these guys won’t get misinformed, try to make sure anything that is just a theory is mentioned as such, I need sleep

[fair arrow]

and its not alien tech, alr

[acoustic osprey]

but it could be a case of an "Operation Inferno"

AE might've stolen such

but, who knows!

[modern rover]

i mean, AE WAS using it

they don't really have control of it anymore lol

[lethal moat]

I thought operation inferno was scrapped with Phoenix corp

[fair arrow]

anyone would want a machine that can replicate any living creature, heck even improve it

[acoustic osprey]

of an Operation Inferno
not the Operation Inferno

an operation similar to the idea of it

[lethal moat]

Ah, right, still don’t know anything of any competitors or the world at large

[fair arrow]

tf is operation inferno

[acoustic osprey]

Exactly.
Doesn't make you truly evil- if you don't "literally" steal it

[fair arrow]

and ill brb

[lethal moat]

Old lore and no longer canon

[acoustic osprey]

in Legacy Lore
the event in which Apollo Engineering stole assets from Phoenix International and made Magnas from such info they took

[lethal moat]

Now I must go, my circadian rhythm has been begging for mercy for a week now

[acoustic osprey]

we know that it exists, a world around
GOLEM derivative being an international term for monsterous

[acoustic osprey]

ciao ciao

[lethal moat]

Oh, one last thing before I go, I was digging around the garbage bins on gateway and saw the corner of something that looked like it said “log book” so don’t forget to go dumpster diving

[solar cobalt]

Are you sure they are abandoned? A lot of the buildings look good

There's even electricity

And didn't the devs promise to make transport?

[modern rover]

i mean, you build something out of concrete and steel and it'll survive a lot

[solar cobalt]

AE CEO: LOL DUDES WE SPENT BILLIONS THERE, TAKE CONTROL BACK! MY MONEY AREN'T FREE

[modern rover]

the electricity is likely running on backup generators, since it's confirmed we will need to do repairs to bring on mainline power sources

stuff like the electrified fences are down, for instance

hell, solar power could easily exist as a backup power source

[solar cobalt]

Look at the modern world! You underestimate corporate greed

They don't leave anything

[modern rover]

AE aren't a military organisation, they'd be screwed in such an event, they're scientists, botanists and geneticists at most

[solar cobalt]

Dude, you always have pmcs

[modern rover]

there's a reason Tartarus exists, and it's to keep the bad stuff away from the people

[slender swallow]

Kevin the Tribal will be watching

[solar cobalt]

Yeah i have a question what is Tartarus?

[slender swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

[modern rover]

in greek mythology, a prison for Titans and Monsters

in The Isle? Pretty much still a prison for Titans and Monsters

[solar cobalt]

Even those french uranium companies recruit pmcs to protect their mines in Africa

[modern rover]

it generally seems to be the place where new assets are studied

[solar cobalt]

A giant Research facility?

[modern rover]

I mean, that's essentially what the islands are, yes

A big research facility

[solar cobalt]

So maybe gen 2 are you know, test subjects?

[modern rover]

Specifically medicinal research (and some botanical if they're still doing that)

More than likely, yea

That's probably their original intent

[solar cobalt]

But I don't even imagine what information gives you an eaten dude

[modern rover]

A non-human, non-clone lifeform that is almost identical to a human to test your medicine on

[modern rover]

They're not there to be eaten

Apollo Engineering isn't throwing people at dinos to see what happens

[solar cobalt]

So what is their purpose?

[modern rover]

Apollo wants to make medicine

Their medical experimentation goes full-on genetic

[solar cobalt]

Lol so we will play as high on drugs gen 2 fighting dinos with bare hands?

[modern rover]

Hypers, Tissos and Neuros are the result of messing with the genetics of specimens

[solar cobalt]

oh, are they still in active development?

[modern rover]

In order to test the result on humans to ensure it's safe to use on public consumers, they need a human that isn't a human

[solar cobalt]

I thought they abandoned it

[modern rover]

Only magnas were abandoned, because they suck

Everything else is fair game

We even have concept art for EVRIMA Hyper Rex

[solar cobalt]

Im my opinion every indominus like things suck

[modern rover]

They aren't like indo

[solar cobalt]

Same mutant hybrids

[modern rover]

They aren't hybrids

[solar cobalt]

Whatever ugly mutants totally unbalanced

[modern rover]

They are the result of applying a specific experimental medicinal strain of genetic code to a living creature

[solar cobalt]

We can't play as apexes without ruining everything

And here we have a mutant demi god

[modern rover]

And also a good reason why a private militia would be a waste of cash, because if you have stuff like hypers and neuros, no amount of weapons will save you

[solar cobalt]

It will, flesh is not invincible

I can beat a tank with a grenade launcher

[modern rover]

When you're a hyper, it basically is. Rapid regeneration from wounds, insanely dense armour, exceptional size and mass. A bullet would be lucky to pierce the skin

[solar cobalt]

Skulls and bones aren't better than tank armour

Lol dude! It's skin!

We can beat tanks! Made of full reinforced steel

[modern rover]

Tanks don't heal

[slender swallow]

A Grenade Launcher isn't doing jack to a Modern Battle Tank

[solar cobalt]

Ukraine war footages)

[solar cobalt]

No regeneration will save you if your head recieved an explosion inside

[modern rover]

we don't know that for sure when it comes to hypers

hypers don't abide by normal rules

none of the strains do

[solar cobalt]

So who will play as them?

It's totally unbalanced

[modern rover]

whoever can fulfil the grueling task of achieving one

[solar cobalt]

Demi god lol

[modern rover]

a demi god who can't live without starvation

hypers die within mere days of being created

[solar cobalt]

And will just kill half of server for fun

[modern rover]

their own appetite works against it

[solar cobalt]

Nah, so here we have pmcs again

Kill their food make them starve

[modern rover]

you know that makes it way easier right

[solar cobalt]

You have an old chopper with a marksman

[modern rover]

now their food doesn't run, it just sits there to be eaten

you've made a hyper's happiest day

[solar cobalt]

It doesn't multiple anymore anyway

[modern rover]

replicator makes more

you've done nothing but add more meat to the equation

[solar cobalt]

Lol, dead bodies doesn't reproduce

[modern rover]

replicator doesn't care

it doesn't need you to reproduce, it can just make a new one

[solar cobalt]

Replicator has to be maintained yeah?

[modern rover]

i mean, from what we know, the tribal sacrifices do that for it

[solar cobalt]

Send a group turn it off

[modern rover]

the replicator is not without its protectors

if people could turn it off, they would

[solar cobalt]

How can a sacrifice replace a broken power cable?

[modern rover]

assuming it runs on such things

[solar cobalt]

It has to

[modern rover]

it doesn't

[acoustic osprey]

likely Gen2s

[slender swallow]

It really doesn't

[solar cobalt]

If it's not an organic mass

[modern rover]

i dont need a power cable to run everything electric i own

[acoustic osprey]

it would be organic matter they're sacrificing

[slender swallow]

Bro you're just gonna have to suspend disbelief if you want to enjoy the game

[modern rover]

organic matter clearly plays a part somewhere in its operation

otherwise it wouldn't need or want sacrifice

[strange shell]

bioreactor moment

[solar cobalt]

Lol, dudes remove all chips and cables From your pc

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, it could very much be like normal Religious/Cultist sacrifices

to show as a sign of submission and hand to their deity

[solar cobalt]

It won't work

[modern rover]

legit honestly could be

[acoustic osprey]

but, seeing as The Replicator is very much more physical, it might be organic matter to make for whatever Replicator seems to be planning from such

[modern rover]

except the replicator rewards it, which means it gains something and has likely encouraged this behaviour as their "god"

if the replicator didn't care or need it, it likely would see no need to go out of its way to reward its most faithful

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, this is practically the same as average pagan/polytheistic religions
Sacrifice something -> plus one in whatever the god gives

[modern rover]

except the god gives tangible rewards. I think Gen 1's behaviour was learned or more specifically, taught

[slender swallow]

Now I really want Gen 1s and 2s to be in the game

[modern rover]

You have a creator and it tells you to go out and bring it flesh, you abide, and it rewards you, giving insentive for others to do the same

[solar cobalt]

Dudes, this is the mist sick theory. So you say that a cloning factory is maintained by sacrifices

[acoustic osprey]

it might be monkey-esque in such.
But, seeing as they have their own form of art, I also presume it's not proper monkey test-esque, if they can still express themselves

[modern rover]

No cloning

[solar cobalt]

Artificial womb whatever

[fair arrow]

i mean

[modern rover]

Probably closer

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, we're yet to know what properly originates as the "creator" of things

[solar cobalt]

It's a factory anyway

[swift spindle]

Hey i got a question ab isle lore

[acoustic osprey]

as we only know Replicator "replicates"
not creates

[acoustic osprey]

hit us

[solar cobalt]

So god, it's a cloning facility

Replicate means copy

[fair arrow]

i think it needs sacrifices because it operates like this:

1. Replicator gets sacrifice
2. Replicator uses the sacrifice to create what it wants (using its body etc)
3. Replicator spits out the result

[swift spindle]

So we’re supposedly in the simulation or whatever right and to get out of it we gotta do the truth ending

[acoustic osprey]

not truly cloning
more so Creation Facility using basal DNA/RNA

[swift spindle]

But are the mercenaries and aliens in the simulation too then ?

[modern rover]

it doesn't clone the actual animals, only the "recipes" its been fed

[fair arrow]

you did not just say aliens

[acoustic osprey]

Never aliens in the game
Mercenaries are scrapped and replaced with Gen2s (synthetically made Humans)

[modern rover]

it's like a printer more than anything, you have to write what it prints and it'll do it

[strange shell]

Not a simulation, and not aliens

[solar cobalt]

Wtf is going on? What Aliens?

[slender swallow]

Considering this "Replicator" thing is mysterious and nobody knows how it was made, the fact it can literally create life from nothing, It might very well be extraterrestrial in origin

[acoustic osprey]

No.
But I see where you get this idea

this was a similar idea to Legacy's "YOU (the game) is in lore as an EIP - a mind within a dinosaur"

[modern rover]

ignore the aliens, there's no aliens

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know if it creates life from nothing
As we only know, from legacy, it simply just replicated you everytime you died

[solar cobalt]

Hmmm, according to the last video, it's not. AE plays with samples and create dinos

[modern rover]

AE feeds the replicator specific things. They update versions as if it were a program

[swift spindle]

Ouhh so where did like the leech and hornet come from

[acoustic osprey]

albeit, doesn't truly refer to what actually creates the Dinos
AE just being the humans behind it, not the actual hand that makes it

[acoustic osprey]

leech and hornet? Are you possibly referring to the roblox game?

[solar cobalt]

So ok we have aliens

[swift spindle]

Yeah isle

[solar cobalt]

Lol

[fair arrow]

NO

[acoustic osprey]

The Isle Steam game?

[swift spindle]

This isle no ?

[fair arrow]

NO, GET THE SHOTGUN!!!!

[solar cobalt]

Dudes are you kidding?

[acoustic osprey]

No.

[modern rover]

we dont have aliens i literally just said this

there's zero aliens

[fair arrow]

DONDI SAID THERE ARE NO ALIENS

GIMME THE SHOTGUN

[solar cobalt]

You said that replicator if it still exists as a concept wasn't made by humans

So ALIENS !!!!

[modern rover]

no?

[acoustic osprey]

No.
We don't know if Replicator was made by AE

[solar cobalt]

So ALIENS!

[modern rover]

no

[acoustic osprey]

AE =/= All humans

[solar cobalt]

Who else could make such a thing?

[modern rover]

it could be another company or human-ran organistaion

[solar cobalt]

Monsanta? Nestle?

Hahaha

[fair arrow]

no aliens, dondi said

[acoustic osprey]

could be AE
could be a singular entity
could be another company

[modern rover]

yes because the isle lore goes off the idea of real companies, just like how apollo is 100% real

[solar cobalt]

Singular entity, you mean Alien

[modern rover]

no

[acoustic osprey]

No

like literally one inventor
could very much be

We don't know

[solar cobalt]

Yeah yeah one dude built a super cloning factory

[fair arrow]

no aliens, DONDI said there are NO ALIENS

[solar cobalt]

That works on human sacrifices

Elon musk?

[strange shell]

I definitely still think AE as a company did not make the replicator
Otherwise they wouldn't be trying to recover it, as they could simply make a new one

[modern rover]

this is a universe where humans can both figure out how to make a dinosaur, then make that dinosaur hyper-intellegent and capable of sending out EMPs

imagine the concept that there exists another group of humans that can make a life-making 3D printer AI

[solar cobalt]

So ALIENS

[modern rover]

you realise that the isle isnt real right

[acoustic osprey]

no

[modern rover]

and that you can stretch your field of imagination

beyond real people and companies

[fair arrow]

AE could've made the replicator, they have made some weird stuff before

[strange shell]

This world isn't exclusively composed of giant companies and aliens

[fair arrow]

no aliens bro

[solar cobalt]

I can't, it's too hard that's why I don't like marvel

[fair arrow]

no aliens, DEVS have confirmed NO ALIENS

[modern rover]

okay weird to bring in marvel because that's nothing like this but sure

jurassic park had no aliens and that's fine

no one's losing their mind because JP has no aliens

[strange shell]

Could just be an Einstein-like person who just said "trust me I know what I'm doing" and just made the replicator without writing a single note
And now they're stuck with a godlike machine they cannot control nor replicate

[solar cobalt]

Jurassic park doesn't have dinos

[modern rover]

what?

[solar cobalt]

Just a bunch of mutants

No real dinos

[modern rover]

same thing here with the isle though

none of the animals in the isle are real dinos

[strange shell]

Jurassic Park has more dinos that The Isle
because at least JP dinos have dinosaur DNA

[modern rover]

they're all made in the image of a dinosaur

but none of the dinosaur's actual DNA is there

if anything, JP's dinos were gentically closer than Isle's to a real thing

[solar cobalt]

Idk, a god like blood working machine it's too much

To be something made by humans

[modern rover]

how lol

[strange shell]

That's what they said about the pyramids

[modern rover]

ALIENS!

[fair arrow]

it wasnt aliens, it was something else

[solar cobalt]

YOU CAN'T FIX OR MAINTAIN mechanisms with your blood

[fair arrow]

maybe the matriarch made it, maybe AE did, maybe another company or entity

BUT IT WASNT ALIENS

[modern rover]

Have you heard of a bioreactor

[strange shell]

I'd be fine with the explanation being just "no one knows who made the replicator"
Sometimes it's okay to leave some parts of the lore in the dark

[solar cobalt]

You can make it work by feeding it but it doesn't repair itself

[modern rover]

this man would absolutely go insane if he were to spend 10 minutes on the SCP wiki

[solar cobalt]

I hate scp🤣

[modern rover]

i can imagine

[solar cobalt]

I call it dcp in my language dcp means cerebellar paralysis

[modern rover]

i'd imagine you'd like it more if you could suspend your disbelief lol

[solar cobalt]

So scp enjoyers are cerebral paralysed in my opinion(joke)

[modern rover]

i worked on an SCP game so thanks for that

[strange shell]

I think you just can't handle sci-fi

[modern rover]

really cool

[fair arrow]

i did too

anyways, no aliens

just something made it, something did and we dont know what

[solar cobalt]

Unfortunately, Star wars and everything else except aliens makes me suffer

[fair arrow]

i think the matriarch may of built it

maybe

[solar cobalt]

I prefer Alan wake and control over scp, because you know

It's not so absurdist

[modern rover]

control was directly inspired by SCP

it owes its existence to SCP

[solar cobalt]

Yeah but without semen eating succubus

[modern rover]

no clue what you're even referring to here

[solar cobalt]

God no, make me forget

[strange shell]

That's actually not a SCP thing

[slender swallow]

Hmmm, interesting thought, maybe the Replicator was originally a basic replication computer AI, but after "something" went wrong it kind of gained sentience and improved itself far beyond what was possible with AE's scientists

[solar cobalt]

Scp 166 Google it!

[modern rover]

how

[fair arrow]

i still think matriarch made the replicator

[modern rover]

more than likely, since I doubt the replicator making a cult uprising of failed humanity was in their original plans

[solar cobalt]

It's a scp thing absolutely disgusting and stupid

[fair arrow]

or at least helped the AI in some way

[modern rover]

fun fact, SCP is open source, anyone can contribute, that one article isn't indicative of the whole thing

[solar cobalt]

That's why it's bad

[fair arrow]

debating over another fandoms lore

[solar cobalt]

People made a Circus of cringe

[slender swallow]

And quickly realises "Oh sh*t, If I take over the island, and there are no more humans, Who will maintain me?... I know I'll make a race of genetically superior humans that can survive easily in this dinosaur environment to bring me bio fuel"

[solar cobalt]

And fix your broken chips yeah, because a typical gen 1 looks like an educated engineer!

Two magister degrees are written on their faces

[slender swallow]

k

[modern rover]

yea well aliens aren't gonna maintain it (because they aren't in the universe), so it clearly needs something else

and it has one group of entities entirely loyal to it

[solar cobalt]

That are not engineers unfortunately

[slender swallow]

Whats your solution then?

[strange shell]

Well uh
If the replicator has the capacity to create living and breathing animals out of nowhere she might actually be capable of fixing her own components

[modern rover]

damn looks like we'll have to suspend our disbelief

[slender swallow]

How do you think it works?

[solar cobalt]

Yeah, my pc does it every time

[modern rover]

your PC isn't sentient and can't create life

[solar cobalt]

Just grows some hands and cleans it's chips and plates

[strange shell]

Dude we're talking about sci-fi
Self-sustaining machines are a common trope in that

[modern rover]

can't the replicator LITERALLY do that? it can MAKE LIFE, it can literally grow hands

[solar cobalt]

Hmmmm

Ok maybe

[modern rover]

its also an AI with a complete understanding of its own makeup

[solar cobalt]

But what if something is totally broken?

[strange shell]

Isn't it weird how you scream "Aliens" at everything then rule out at anything that is slightly out of the ordinary

[slender swallow]

Or you know... it can command the dozens of tribal slaves it has to do that for it

[solar cobalt]

Need to be replaced?

[strange shell]

She replaces it

[acoustic osprey]

well, replicate life

[solar cobalt]

Do you have a factory in your pocket?

[acoustic osprey]

me when Clarke's Third Law

[modern rover]

you realise that an AI doesn't have to be confined to a single vessel

[solar cobalt]

Dude I'm talking about the production line

[strange shell]

Actually there's a giant machine controlling the tribal people in The Forest alien
And iirc the tribals are maintaining it through being mind-controlled
Or maybe that's why the machine attracts "educated" people into the forest

[solar cobalt]

What if the artificial womb is broken

[fair arrow]

it gets its servants to fix it

[solar cobalt]

Yeah gen 1 with two engineering master degrees

[fair arrow]

if the replicator wanted, it would change how smart these creatures are

[solar cobalt]

Hold my tools bro will fix it now i studied in garward

[modern rover]

it has a literal supergenius creature in the form of the Echidna that it coexists with. A creature that can read minds and memories and transmit them.

[solar cobalt]

Is it still an active concept?

Sure?

[modern rover]

this things entire existence basically makes up for any "stupidity" the gen 1 have

[modern rover]

yea, it's still active

[slender swallow]

Oh my god, its the mind flayer

[solar cobalt]

Wtf is this?

[modern rover]

echidna

[strange shell]

Echidna, mother of the cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna
Neurotenic Mastermind

[solar cobalt]

What a terrible thing

[modern rover]

does that mean it's now technically mother of Gen 1 instead of the eyeless?

given the namechange lol

[strange shell]

Mother of the cannibals
Meaning she's mother of ceras, deinos and half the stego playerbase

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, we never got confirmation from Don back when Cannibals were character switched

[solar cobalt]

Dude this game has such a big lore but after 10 years we haven't seen anything?

Wtf

[acoustic osprey]

recode

[modern rover]

yea an entire recode had to happen

[fair arrow]

thats what hard lore looks like

and recode

[solar cobalt]

10 years

[acoustic osprey]

And, Isle's lore only truly started between 2017-2018

[solar cobalt]

Shiet

[acoustic osprey]

and, it's only been 8, technically 9, years

technically speaking

[solar cobalt]

Ok 9 years

[acoustic osprey]

🤓 ☝️

[solar cobalt]

Whatever

How long will we wait now?

other 9 years

[acoustic osprey]

well, Don is actually doing a lot of hard work, from what we know, for Isle's (Evrimas) lore

[solar cobalt]

Will see what concepts will be saved

[acoustic osprey]

we have been slowly, at least

[solar cobalt]

I don't believe on all those matriarchs and other demi god creatures

It's too much for a little island

Like gateway

[acoustic osprey]

Matriarch is still confirmed

[solar cobalt]

Who is she?

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator is still confirmed, alongside Colossus, Echidna and Reaper

[modern rover]

a creature that can adapt and change based on intake of biomass

[solar cobalt]

Gen 1 queen? Full of eggs?

[fair arrow]

better start believing then or forever be blinded

[modern rover]

there's an unofffical concept art of the many forms the matriach takes, but none are actually canon

[acoustic osprey]

no

[solar cobalt]

Plyable?

[strange shell]

Matriarch is an ever-evolving lifeform

[modern rover]

dont know. Hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

like lore 😊

[solar cobalt]

It's too much

Just too much, impossible for balancing

[fair arrow]

get used to it, you cant change the lore so accept it

[strange shell]

Dino game players when the dino game has lore :

[modern rover]

dino players when their dino game has new ideas instead of adding another dino

[solar cobalt]

Just try to balance it in your head

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, we know from Kissen that it won't likely be properly playable

[modern rover]

i have

[acoustic osprey]

at least, not playable standard-wise

it could, very much, be just mostly LTM stuff

[solar cobalt]

So it will be just a scary npc roaming around

[acoustic osprey]

no

[fair arrow]

its just something in lore

devs dont want lore to interfere with the actual gameplay

[solar cobalt]

Nice,

[acoustic osprey]

well

[fair arrow]

mostly

[acoustic osprey]

all the extreme stuff in lore is no where near a priority

[solar cobalt]

I hope no hyper dudes

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers are still confirmed as a gameplay aspect

[solar cobalt]

Imagine have a griffer on it

[strange shell]

I'm not wondering about the possibility that the matriarch is immortal
It's been said she dies when she grows too large, right ?
What if she doesn't actually die, but is rather reborn into her first form ?

[modern rover]

hypers are the most confirmed out of the three lol

[solar cobalt]

Shiiiet, all 15yo angry school boys wil try to *** up your day

Playing as a demi god creature

[modern rover]

if an angry 15 year old boy can manage to make it through the many trials to get to that point, i suppose more power to them

[solar cobalt]

What trials?

[modern rover]

strains are going to be hell to obtain

[strange shell]

What's needed to become a hyper
Not a walk in the park

[modern rover]

dondi has mentioned he has an entire checklist of pre-requisites before you can even be considered capable or worthy of recieving a strain animal

[nimble fractal]

YE and good luck sustaining the eternal hunger that comes with it
Its more than "sitting at the bush for 1 hour"

[solar cobalt]

So what needed? Just survive for a long time or do POT stupid quest and collect mushrooms?

[modern rover]

neither

although you likely will need to survive for a long time, but that's not the only thing you need

[strange shell]

In order to become a Hyper you'll have to find Dondi irl and give him the 5 Hyper Stones