isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

It's the first of three in the pinned documents

[bleak fern]

ah, i forget those exist sometimes, thank you very much

[bleak fern]

as an aside:
it makes me really happy to see so many people so passionate about the isle, its been ages since I've played (for a number of reasons; I've been a little unable to get back into it because my computers a bit defunct right now and also couldn't handle evrima), its just really cool, the isle is such a cool frickin game, and I've always been mystified and intrigued by the lore.
yeh.

[shrewd herald]

Ngl I believe this is some sort of Jurassic world stuff going on just humans are not on the island

[lethal moat]

We know the island was abandoned

[lethal moat]

Check this out for what we know: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
All three pinned docs are for for information

Rump is for general summary
Mine for actual confirmed statements and things in lore
HellShades for archive on legacy, if you want to go old school

Seeing as Gateway is public now
I'm also likely to be doing a live on Australian Saturday night

And a video afterwards basically being akin to Rumps document but a proper video

[steel summit]

nice

[dusky valley]

Imagine a hyper minmi

[steel summit]

so, just an anky?

[dusky valley]

Well yea but it might still be cuter

[iron anchor]

why maybe, do you have a theory

[knotty locust]

@acoustic osprey thoughts on dondi’s stream where he stood next to a human, turned on night vision, said “spoiler alert” before walking away

the gen 2 wasn’t different from usual

except for the eyes having a glow

[weak badger]

They have a glow? I don’t think human eyes glow unless that’s just a weird part of their build

[strange shell]

The Gen 2's eyes did glow during the stream
I think Dondi said spoiler alert as a joke rather than something actual lore-related
Or maybe Gen 2 will have troodon-level nightvision
And the flashlight is just for blinding dinos

[sour rivet]

From a gameplay point of view it wouldn’t make much sense though… that’s only my opinion though

[strange shell]

I didn't say it would

[sour rivet]

Fair

[rapid chasm]

If night vision capabilities are added for humans I hope it's realistic

[steel summit]

Night vision for humans would probably just be night vision goggles or something like that

[rapid chasm]

no crap

[rancid herald]

big dinosaur

thats the lore

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-scar-no-idea-gif-7805966

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[rancid herald]

no you're all overthinking it

i am 100% correct and you're not

[lethal moat]

Are you though?

[rancid herald]

think about it: big dinosaur

[soft prism]

[lethal moat]

This one?

[rancid herald]

all of them

[river marsh]

Oh lord shes a dracomorph now? Now i have to see how many stages ive missed

[rancid herald]

even the smaller ones are big in comparison to an atom

[lethal moat]

It's all unofficila art, but I can send all the stage

[river marsh]

Feel free to send a link. I remember seeing these when it just started

[patent ginkgo]

Matriarch!

[steel summit]

Matriarch!

[swift echo]

Matriarch!

[sage fox]

Matriarch!

[fair arrow]

Matriarch!

[acoustic osprey]

Didn't see

[knotty locust]

[supple grove]

Would y’all consider the Hyper strains as a success by Æ or a failure?

I’ve been thinking about it for a bit

[lethal moat]

We don’t know for sure what they were trying to accomplish, so it’s hard to know

[supple grove]

I thought that they were meant to help cure illnesses in humans? Or am I mistaken?

[lethal moat]

We know the strains were made for medical purposes, but we don’t know what the strains were specifically for, and we don’t really know if strains have changed much from legacy to Evrima

[supple grove]

Ah, thanks for that, cheers.

[lethal moat]

I’d say that hyper probably succeeded in whatever AE wanted, but with the massive drawback of starvation, it would most likely be a “flawed success, more research needed” sort of situation

[acoustic osprey]

Both

[acoustic osprey]

Indirectly done for medicine

[signal pivot]

shoutout to the first pic taking inspo from a wheel bug (largest native NA assassin bug, trademark wheel on its back) one of the only insects that scare me a bit

I think I also notice a bobbit worm mouthpart in two pics? but idk

[acoustic osprey]

Bestclox 💪

[acoustic osprey]

(was not telling the correct time / was static)

[steel summit]

24 hour clocks for the win

[acoustic osprey]

^^

[dusky valley]

Are there anymore confirmed hypers except the legacy ones and the new hyper Rex design

[acoustic osprey]

nothing

[dusky valley]

Damn

I know the devs said herbivores won’t have hyper strains but I wanna see a hyper trike

And I just found out someone made a hyper crocodile

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[stiff lintel]

Does AE still monitor the Islands?

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[stiff lintel]

Better yet, how the hell are the dinosaurs you spawn in as taken to the Island? Probably not by existing dinosaurs.

[acoustic osprey]

we presume that Apollo had once a strong presence on the island(s)

however, an "Incident" is likely to have had occurred within

seen from the damaged fences and messy state of outposts

[acoustic osprey]

with the dinosaurs being placed there by Apollo many years prior

akin to JP2

[stiff lintel]

Or, the spawned in Dinosaurs could have been brought there as Apollo Engineering could still have somewhat of a hold on the Islands.

[acoustic osprey]

from weathered buildings and left over/messy state + broken fences

I doubt AE are 100% active on the island

[stiff lintel]

But they are still there nonetheless. I can see the spawned in Dinosaurs being brought there and dropped in via crates as they are sedated. Explains the presence of some food in your system and one diet.

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator

[meager junco]

I'm gonna assume that H-Rex is responsible for this but also a lot we don't know

[stiff lintel]

Sorry what now?

[meager junco]

Basically what’s making the Dino’s spawn

[stiff lintel]

Also, If Dilophosaurus' Venom is a Hallucinogenic Neurotoxin that makes the body thinks and feels it's getting attacked, What type of Venom is Troodon's?

[lethal moat]

Likely hemotoxic, attacking the heart, especially if they ever bring back troodon’s stam drain along their venom

[acoustic osprey]

in legacy
It was what was replicating the dinosaurs

but, that's the beginning of a long rabbit hole

[lethal moat]

If you have questions about lore, check the first document in the pinned comments for a general summary

[stiff lintel]

That, doesn't make sense?

[patent ginkgo]

check the pinned docs like rumple said, but ill just say that the replicator is essentially an ai that replicates biomatter, potentially whole organisms

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMmFybnE0bmJ3dTYwb2xscnU0dXJraDJnanR2YThtd2lubnRwOGhkbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/sDEixK1nZ1FCCz8Iu2/giphy.gif

The Replicator literally replicated you

long story short.
You, are not a true dinosaur, you an embyrotic mind stuck within a dinosaur

a human, more or less, within a dinosaur brain

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-be-afraid-jigsaw-john-kramer-saw3-have-no-fear-gif-21902964

Isaac, you’re going to spook him off before we get him hooked, the replicator is an ai that makes the dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

[ocean fable]

What

[acoustic osprey]

😊

if only i was making it up

but, I am not

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-taco-smile-gif-15840669

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[stiff lintel]

I already knew about the replicator, I figured it was some type of machine the Gen 1s revered and that's why they sometimes become things like the "Eyeless"

[lethal moat]

It might go all the way up to the echidna, since we know so little about gen 1, replicator, or echidna lol

[acoustic osprey]

we just know that Gen1s praise to the Replicator

[stiff lintel]

Also, the legacy lore could have been retconned. So the replicator might not even exist anymore

[lethal moat]

It still exists

[acoustic osprey]

No, Replicator exists still

[steel summit]

Since we know that the hyperendocrin strain can affect mammals, you cant (lore wise) rule out the idea of a hyper rat

[lethal moat]

True

[tardy herald]

@sour rivet I miss you and that's not a theory

Also I believe the isle may have another isle within that isle

Mind blown 😳 you're welcome guys

[kindred bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/telepurte-pingu-noot-noot-gif-25837050

[sour rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-barbie-oppenheimer-meme-cillian-murphy-theory-gif-8102327772591152629

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMmFybnE0bmJ3dTYwb2xscnU0dXJraDJnanR2YThtd2lubnRwOGhkbCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/sDEixK1nZ1FCCz8Iu2/giphy.gif

[verbal whale]

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[steel summit]

its probably GUTS if i'd have to guess

[tardy herald]

https://tenor.com/view/i-only-act-out-because-i-want-your-love-jack-donaghy-30rock-i-just-wanted-to-be-loved-gif-21903627

[lethal moat]

Not the channel for this discussion

[sour rivet]

Fax fax

It’s lore time

[meager junco]

G.U.T.S.

[dusky valley]

What if they add in a river monster

[lethal moat]

Deino, any strain of spino, or matriarch, pick your poison

[dusky valley]

I was going for a giant fish as the idea

[lethal moat]

Several prehistoric reptiles are "in limbo" from a concept art

[dusky valley]

With it looking like an alligator gar with a monstrous look

[lethal moat]

Like mosa and plesiasaurs

[dusky valley]

I mean yea but those are more coastal and open ocean creatures

And another semi aquatic reptile won’t have as much of a pop as compared to a giant playable fish

[lethal moat]

I doubt it, it would most likely end up just being a worse deino

[dusky valley]

Well yea but adding a giant fish like rhizodus as a playable would make the game stand out

[modern rover]

you have an insane obsession with semi-aquatics

or full aquatics

[dusky valley]

No I don’t I’m just giving suggestions that happen to be aquatic

[modern rover]

in the lore chat?

also you do that a lot

[sour rivet]

All my homies hate semi-aquatics frl

Btw are there failed projects/products inside of Æ ?

And if so did they cause any harm ?

[modern rover]

both the matriach and generation 1 are framed as failed projects, and they both have canonically caused harm

[sour rivet]

Than do we know what the „real“ goal was ? What did they try to achieve ?

[modern rover]

generation 1 was a failure on the path to remake humans

[sour rivet]

And the matriarch ?

[modern rover]

not entirely sure if its "weird genetic runoff" or something else entirely, but it seems to be the only creature not based on anything

its like if a strain itself came to life, rather than it being applied to another creature and mutating them

[sour rivet]

Interesting… is that why it’s called the matriarch because it’s maybe the „original“ strain ?

[modern rover]

its something, we honestly just dont know what

[sour rivet]

K thx for sharing with me 👍

[hollow sinew]

just found this semi futuristic building on gateway, could it be some sort of bunker perhaps?

[stiff lintel]

Yep, definitely looks like one

[supple grove]

Well, Vehicles can enter it clearly. So that means there’s a parking area inside it somewhere

[hollow sinew]

man that's so cool, i can't wait for when those tunnels are accesible

[steel summit]

think so, might also be GUTS

[junior compass]

when i load up isle im in the old map?

[patent ginkgo]

Yup I think it’s a GUTS entrance, it also has a closed staircase leading into the mountain

[sonic rampart]

#announcements

[patent ginkgo]

Got to it before me

[subtle goblet]

What is GUTS?

[steel summit]

tunnel system

[lethal moat]

Generic Undergeound Transportation System

[subtle goblet]

Ooooooh. That makes sense.

[pseudo fable]

(Half of these people here will lie to you and say tunnel when it's transportation. That's how you know who's a good person and who's not. It's the shopping cart theory for lore.)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/groove-stickman-meme-dancing-gif-17755675

[subtle goblet]

So are they gonna be fleshed out tunnels to walk through or will they be more of a teleportation, you walk in and it spawns you back out at another entrance?

[lethal moat]

We’ve seen one tunnel you can walk through so far, with others sealed off, but I’d recommend never assuming anything ever because of how much this game has planned lol

[patent ginkgo]

I’m fairly sure it’s not teleportation

[steel summit]

ah sorry, thought it was tunnels, am a little stupid

[lethal moat]

I’d agree, but I also don’t want to make any assumptions

[subtle goblet]

I came across one of the blacked out tunnel entrances last night. I can't assume how big the game is that they would be for nothing. I feel like they might be the way to access the domes. Maybe? And those domes are maaaaaaaasive and impressive when you're actually up near them.

[low scarab]

I wonder/hope guts will be open on release and or lead to tartarus or at least some good lore

[steel summit]

so GUTS is transport, thats good to remember

[rapid chasm]

Underground complex entrance

possibly a underground command centre

[lethal moat]

Anywho, Dondi, if you can answer, since we have confirmation of characters in the isle lore, does that mean certain more intelligent creatures are also capable of having personalities?

[lethal moat]

Really hoping some of the tunnels lead to the domes or even Tartarus

[rapid chasm]

pay attention to concept art lmfao\

[subtle goblet]

Tartarus? Okay, new lore for me. What is Tartarus??

[icy onyx]

Make a mobile one? Please?

[lethal moat]

Massive underground facility for strains and such, check out the pinned comments for summaries on lore

[steel summit]

important place (dont really know more for sure and i dont wanna spread more misinfo)

[rapid chasm]

hades

[lethal moat]

I think the big partial circle is Tartarus

[rapid chasm]

or zeus

[patent ginkgo]

Holdup the spawns on gateway have things like J Sector in the name

[patent ginkgo]

Could relate to this?

[rapid chasm]

yeah assuming that those r the sectors that are divided by the hyper fences

[lethal moat]

You make an excellent point my friend, definitely work looking into and seeing what’s around there

[rapid chasm]

would make alot of sense

[steel summit]

Dondi if you're still here im sorry for spreading misinformation, i was stupid

[meager junco]

Jungle I sector and Highlands J I believe

[patent ginkgo]

Also that entrance in the mountain I think would be Zeus, makes sense because it’s into a mountain

[rapid chasm]

hades or zeus

def not Poseidon

[lethal moat]

Unless it’s the volcano, then I can see hades

[patent ginkgo]

Very troo

[rapid chasm]

id assume poseidon would be underwater

[lethal moat]

Well, Poseidon was the god of earthquakes, but I’d make the same assumption that it’s a water entrance

[patent ginkgo]

Or on one of the little islands

[lethal moat]

Keep in mind, that is an abstract map

[rapid chasm]

i def think thats hades

[lethal moat]

I think Poseidon is going to be docks or something, Zeus might be K15 or the other base with helipad, and hades might be connected to the monorail system

[rapid chasm]

no because hades seems to be connected to lodging

[lethal moat]

It’s an abstract map, those lines might just be roads, not necessarily next to each other, and the monorail system looks like it will eventually go underground

[rapid chasm]

why would it be roads

its either underground roadways or guts

[patent ginkgo]

Cheaper way to connect places

[lethal moat]

It says it’s an abstract guide, not a map, and I’m trying to not jump to conclusions

[rapid chasm]

why would you risk a million dollar asset

[lethal moat]

We don’t know how much the dinosaurs costs, and we don’t know enough about AE’s goal

[rapid chasm]

medical

medicine

[patent ginkgo]

Not as much risk as you may think, given that guns exist and so do cave-ins

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but they also toss dinosaurs into the world without cages, so we don’t know what they are getting from that

[patent ginkgo]

Not necessarily, at least not all of them

I mean troodon didn’t even have a purpose

It was just a curious project essentially

[rapid chasm]

well you could assume that it could be militarization of dinosaurs on one side, and development of medicine on one side

[patent ginkgo]

iirc dondi said no military

[lethal moat]

Yep

Apollo started off as agriculture/botany, and AE is medicinal

[subtle goblet]

So its safe to assume nothing is designed to be a theme park attraction? Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Mostly, but it’s not really fully ruled out

At least not for everything

[subtle goblet]

Other than the weird hypo mutant looking dinosaurs, the lore behind the game is just so interesting to me.

[patent ginkgo]

Same

[subtle goblet]

I was wandering around the east end of the map, and following the fence lines. It would be cool as a human to be able to climb up on them and just watch players interact.

[stiff lintel]

I wonder if we are gonna get Vehicles

[patent ginkgo]

There was a truck model in spiro’s docks

[stiff lintel]

So maybe

[subtle goblet]

I remember a bunch of us as Pteras were sitting inside it like a family ready to go on vacation.....to nowhere.

[stiff lintel]

'Sides, Driving down the trails in Gateway seem relaxin'.

[subtle goblet]

Until a Tyrannosaur steps out and ends your relaxing drive lol

[patent ginkgo]

There’s a place where a stairway leads into the inside of a fence, with windows/bars

[stiff lintel]

They're gonna leave filled with holes

[subtle goblet]

Yeah, I was trying to find that one

[patent ginkgo]

It’s down the river from northeast plains

[stiff lintel]

The gun models I have seen are

[lethal moat]

Safe to assume we’ll get vehicles, not sure how much control the player will have tho

[stiff lintel]

DayZ and SCUM have me ready for humans.

[lethal moat]

Colt python is an interesting choice, going to be loud as all get out

[stiff lintel]

I believe that's either a .44 Magnum or .357 Magnum.

It's a .357. Still a hard hitting round.

[subtle goblet]

Is there any idea about base building being a thing like Dayz?

[stiff lintel]

I dunno. But I do hope it plays a lot like DayZ.

You think humans are gonna have Firefights with one another?

[subtle goblet]

I been playing DayZ recently with my buddy. I wanna swap the Zombies out with dinosaurs.

[rapid chasm]

until you hit a dinosaurs

[stiff lintel]

They should have got outta the way.

[rapid chasm]

wanna play humans with me when they come out

[stiff lintel]

Sure

[subtle goblet]

Be wild to get into a fight with other humans, and instead of direct combat you could attract some hungry dinos to get into the area and attack your enemies

[rapid chasm]

I will reform the apollo engineering security forces

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 can recapture and repair bases, gen 1 may be able to freebuild if I remember correctly, but take that with a grain of salt because I’m stupid

[stiff lintel]

Well, we're gonna be Gen 2s in Evrima. Mercenaries aren't a thing anymore Lore-Wise.

[rapid chasm]

i know

[subtle goblet]

It'll be cool to build a base and just watch a heard of herbivores meander by while hanging out with the homies.

[rapid chasm]

thats what my goal is

[stiff lintel]

Or help dinosaurs with Fatal Injuries without human intervention.

[subtle goblet]

That would be dope, be like a Dino field vet

[stiff lintel]

That's if they make a injury system more detailed

[rapid chasm]

retake a human base, get power back, reform apollo engineering, kill hypers, restore orde

[stiff lintel]

Doubt order will be back. Also, Hyperendocrins are bulletproof.

[lethal moat]

The ability to be shot multiple times without issue and bulletproof aren't necessarily the same thing

[stiff lintel]

I mean, Hypers are actually bulletproof though.

Unless they changed that.

[lethal moat]

Hypers are getting redesign, though we know the counter to hypers is going to be "The hyper cannon" whatever that is

[stiff lintel]

Sounds like a very big railgun

[subtle goblet]

I'm not looking forward to those things being included. I'll probably get my own server by that point and keep them excluded.

[patent ginkgo]

Just an idea, what if the hyper cannon isn’t a singular object, but rather a system?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[bronze zodiac]

I prefer the hyper gun being a poison based wepon that can take advantage of the hyper biggest weakness starvation

[lethal moat]

I haven’t decided what I want yet, but I want the hyper to be able to have some time for a last hoorah before they die after it’s used

[lethal moat]

Still unofficial sadly

[steel summit]

ye

[acoustic osprey]

Brutalism architecture

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kruithne-sonic-blah-jim-carrey-gif-25507288

[acoustic osprey]

You're not wrong though technically
They are tunnels, but they're specifically (GUTS) for transportation

It's likely why we aren't getting them yet

However, which would mean those things less rather go through a "thing" and more so go into a "thing"

[steel summit]

perhaps

[chrome acorn]

A tunnel of transportation

[acoustic osprey]

That spawn is a regional spawn for I12
A little human outpost
Akin to K15

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say less so, about Zeus
I would imagine a more specialised building for Zeus Entry

Rather than just a simple human outpost

As many have helipds

But I'd imagine each Entry being on the vanguard to get into Olympus Central Control

Practically being in front of a GUTS entrance into it

[steel summit]

Isaac spitting facts

[stiff lintel]

Isle lore is both confusing and fascinating

[steel summit]

yep

[low scarab]

They said the islands are unfinished and they intend to flesh them out don’t you think Poseidon might be that human structure that was in the water on one of those early maps out on an island

[steel summit]

and the more you know the more confusing and fascinating it gets

[acoustic osprey]

It could very much be anything as we're not sure if it's all 100% GUTS routes

Like a hyperlane / tube map system

[acoustic osprey]

It could very much well be

[steel summit]

in the absolute beginning i thought GUTS was the monorail system

[acoustic osprey]

Well
Less so it seems with AE

AE seems more now just bio-engineering, in which likely produces or produced content/stuff for other Apollo subsidiaries

And/or, from what we know, strains being medicinal a bit more on the coincidental side

[acoustic osprey]

And now it's just an aspect with goes in and out

[steel summit]

literally just "it goes to a place", thats what GUTS is

[lethal moat]

Landing strip could be an interesting addition to the map, unlikely, but it could be cool

[acoustic osprey]

But the funny underground

[steel summit]

that also

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/well-now-that-all-depends-alastor-hazbin-hotel-gif-16978035

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-starfish-gif-26051009

With Gateway probably going to be everchanging the next couple months/years it'll be fun scouring for anything and everything Lore related (dome hype)

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Nah, you’re not thinking big enough, Tartarus hype begins now, I bet there are multiple exits/entrances

[steel summit]

tartarus hype began way back in legacy

[lethal moat]

GatewY hype began with the hope trailer

[steel summit]

technically yeah

[stiff lintel]

I remember when that came out way back when.

[hybrid drift]

peruuu

[acoustic osprey]

mhm

Hope. trailer was true hype
and we all thought we'd see PC:G again with Recode

but, sadly, no more PC lore anymore
which is good, but still sad.

[hollow sinew]

well idk if this really counts as "lore" but i came across this tree with very specific flowers hanging from them. maybe this is for future long neck/taller dinosaurs??

[acoustic osprey]

cool

[low scarab]

That’s sick need to see picture during the day

[patent ginkgo]

I seem to be the target audience of this

[hollow sinew]

im in an area currently swarmed with carnos but maybe i can get back to that tree and take one for you XD

[low scarab]

lol nice

[hollow sinew]

sorry it started raining so its still a bit dark :(

[acoustic osprey]

glowberry

[low scarab]

No that’s cool looks like they are glowing

[patent ginkgo]

is it possible to get a closer look? im trying to ID them

or the coords so i can find them

[hot imp]

has anyone else noticed flickering lights / morse code when you open up the isle? might be nonsense but i thought id share anyways. i havent noticed it earlier. i also dont know when it repeats itself, but im pretty sure it does? 😅

[hot imp]

i noticed it repeats at 38 seconds in video soooo yes it does repeat haha

and i deleted previous video

[civic prism]

HIS*F

thats what i got starting from the repeat

the * is not a seperation, i just didnt found the letter, its hard to make difference on where it stop a letter if its truly morse code

so i wont try much xd

[low scarab]

Interesting it could be hard to make it out I could maaaaaybe give it a go

[acoustic osprey]

are you sure

i've currently gotten this so far
SISISRPU

[acoustic osprey]

However, this morse code is as old as Legacy

[civic prism]

im not sure, i just made it fast, i dont know morse too well except some letter, so i had to stop the vid etc, so im probably really wrong, if there is an actual code

[civic prism]

one must imagine sisisprus happy

[acoustic osprey]

here is your answer @hot imp

[hot imp]

😆 alright, my bad then! thankyou for the answers ^^

[acoustic osprey]

no probs

[acoustic osprey]

fair lol

[chrome nova]

found some documents in a building to the far North

[meager junco]

Sadly it’s the same documents that were there when we last had a preview of the map

[chrome nova]

Damn

[meager junco]

Would be nice to find a lil lore file with a small clue, nothing major

[chrome nova]

Really what i was hoping for

[steel summit]

all of them are lorem ipsum

[jagged schooner]

new map?

[lethal moat]

Yep, haven’t gotten a ton of lore from it yet though

[oblique surge]

Sisyphus ❗❗❗

[steel summit]

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

[patent ginkgo]

So far I've found one possible tree: Sausage tree
However, I dont think its correct based on stem structure & flower structure

but it's somewhat close

[hollow sinew]

hey so sorry, i had logged off shortly after that XD i'm not on right now but if you go to the arid plains biome and go northeast of the big lake to that small green field near the beach with the pond, the trees are over there. they might also be all around the map too but that's just the spot i found them in

[patent ginkgo]

no problem, thanks for the directions!

although by arid plains do you mean the highlands?

[patent ginkgo]

nevermind its one of the new diet plants, brazilnut

its on at least the galli diet

[hollow sinew]

ohhhh okay neato, i was playing a galli at the time i found them and they didn't appear to be on my diet but maybe i'm mistaken 🤷‍♀️

[restive pike]

you would be absolutely correct. Herbivores appear to have some trouble with their diets right now, as papayas and brazilnuts really want to blink onto their diets every now and then.

[hollow sinew]

LOL okay i'm so sorry, i just found the tree again (as a galli again) and it is on my diet, and i was able to pick up one of the nuts that had fallen on the ground. Oh well, it would be a cool longneck dinosaur diet plant too maybe in the future >_<

[pure lodge]

God I forgot how good the menu ambience is

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hollow sinew]

fun little video i made showing the old cannibal clicks from a couple years ago to the newer ones in gateway!

[light nacelle]

Wow, I had no idea the Cannibals had ambient sounds in Gateway

[lethal moat]

Lol

Tis wood creaking

[iron anchor]

said the cannibal

[muted reef]

Pretty sure its a woodpecker, but I would love it to be a cannibal

[lethal moat]

Cannibals aren't technically canon, got renamed/reworked

[muted reef]

What are they called now

[lethal moat]

The eyeless

[muted reef]

Yeh thought that

[muted reef]

I think a while back there were theories that the eyeless were taken by the original nuero mastermind and transverted or somtheing

[tulip igloo]

What is "gen 1"

[lethal moat]

The echidna is known as "The mother of cannibals"

Check this out before more questions: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[modern rover]

That’s not an eyeless btw, that’s a tribal

Even though it is indeed eyeless

[lethal moat]

Nah, that one's an eyeless

[modern rover]

Dondi said it’s a customisation option for a tribal, that’s it

[lethal moat]

You might be right, I don't 100% undersntad what Dondi meant when he said this #isle-lore-theories message

[muted reef]

Y'

Ya'll think that the invisible wall around spiro had lore to it?

Or that anything in spiro did

[lethal moat]

Maybe, we haven't seen it mentioned anywhere in the lore

[muted reef]

Do we know where these islands are? And which of them, factor into the current lore?

[lethal moat]

Our best guess is Southeast Asia, and the only canon one is gateway

[muted reef]

Interesting spot

The locker rooms in spiro would have "After Night" written on them

[hollow sinew]

it could be wood creaking or something pecking it, but it does sound a lot like the sounds from this video at least. the sounds play at 3:50. The one that sounds the closest to what's in game is at 3:58. However, this was made literal years ago and is most likely very irrelevant to today, but the sounds still sound extremely similar >_< but yeah it might just be wood creaking, idk https://youtu.be/w5HHTLmt9vA?si=qAimQ3bt7HHI52_P

[muted reef]

Apparently if you follow the sound you go to a massive tree

[lethal moat]

Yep, but I only hear it near the forest

[acoustic osprey]

This is not an Eyeless

[lethal moat]

Sad

[acoustic osprey]

That's technically unofficial
As Don confirmed it's actual practicality in lore, and will be removed akin to other mini things that have not been properly titled and/or named

Akin to the CRT monitor

[acoustic osprey]

I would say it's more so similar to the 2023 ambience

However, no hard confirmation from Don. As we aren't still sure of the Eyeless' final design for Evrima

[hollow sinew]

are you talking about the little yellow scribbled words on the locker doors?

cause i thought it said Afterthought which is the company that made the isle XDD i might be wrong though lol

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, it refers to Afterthought as a mini Easter egg

[hollow sinew]

ahh okay so it is afterthought

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

There's a few little words
But it doesn't mean they're in lore

[patent ginkgo]

SE Asia may be up in the air now, pending further analysis based on gateway jungles

[dusky valley]

How will tribals work?

[fair arrow]

Stick + Stick = Fire

ooga booga

[dusky valley]

Yea true but can they raid merc bases

[fair arrow]

Me see merc, me grab sharp stick

Must gather my friens

Stab merc

Ooga booga

[fossil nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1156923761090629742/TtbUOkPt.gif?ex=6516bcb7&is=65156b37&hm=b734ab30932f1e29eab8137e1b747946e5587ecb102c66ac64c43d5472c00c47&

[dusk pier]

Well if u ask me think there will be multiple types of gen 2 like when u click there is more than 1 herbivore in theat branch

My fan concept being mre like what if u have engineers and scouts 2 different play styles this could work 1 fixes gates 1 can hide

One had short night vision the other flashlight sure night vision might be be but a flashlight can blind dinosaurs

[strange shell]

These are very old concepts, back from when Gen2 were supposed to be mercenaries on a mission on the Island
Which they no longer are

[dusk pier]

Well i made this fan concept art since there is nothing official and new at the moment so hard to like speculate what devs are working on

[strange shell]

Oh
Well there were also old concepts somewhat similar to yours, back from when Gen 2 were called mercenaries
But now they're more of a genetic experiment or something

[dusk pier]

I might have not seen them all where can i find it ?

[strange shell]

Idk
Since they're very old, they're not on this server

[dusk pier]

I still think have some of gen 2 being an engineer roll might make it like funn like if a troodon players chews the generator power cable u need to fix it before carnos get in base

[strange shell]

I feel the role of Gen 2s will be defined with what gear you can find (and possibly how you distritube your stats and perks, if there is such a possibility) rather than picking it at character selection

[dusk pier]

Ahh

I can imagine a player killing their friend for a rare night vision goggles just to get ambished by 5 troodons

Pure horror and survival

[strange shell]

I can see that happen too

But I don't think it would take as much as 5 troodons to kill one human

[dusk pier]

Imagine fixing up a base and just for herera players to jump over the wall and slowly pick you off one by one

Like Utah raptors cant get in we wher fast wait is that a herera

@strange shell I mean if it comes down to how humans attack i think u need to give them just a kick asbit it is literally the strongest attack a human can do and still get away but u loot guns and ammo like how herbivores eat food

Hold "E" to interact

[strange shell]

During the mechanic test they were first added they did have a punch and a kick attack
The kick was insanely strong

[dusky valley]

Would the devs add in more hideous monsters in the game and lore as hybrids and test subjects but they used dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures as a testing ground

To see if their experiments would survive

[acoustic osprey]

that's nice

[acoustic osprey]

We do know there will be different lifestyles (depending on the Official Server Mode)
but we know it'll be more of "less fighting"

[acoustic osprey]

but this image looks very nice

nice work

[dusk pier]

Ahh like id very much like to see a ranbow esk design

[dusk pier]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

but i would like more dynamic roles
in which Punch talked about a few years back

rather than "YOU are X"
more free to whatever lifestyle you're picking at the moment

[dusk pier]

Ahhh but ids still like if they gave us 3 or 4 different clothing options to choose from but nothing advanced like a preset

[dusk pier]

I really need to watch the devs stream

[acoustic osprey]

not technically a stream

[dusk pier]

Oh where do i keep myself informed

[acoustic osprey]

2 years ago

or 3
it was prior isle discussion wipe

[dusk pier]

Dame

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it's a shame

[lethal moat]

Given the models we were shown didn’t have clothing, I’d like to think the clothing in Evrima will have come level of customization

[dusk pier]

what do you mean?

[dusk pier]

I dont understand

[lethal moat]

Like you can find different clothes to wear, maybe just for protection, maybe for camouflage

[dusk pier]

Oh like in my fan concept art like the scout instead of it being a fixed play style u can finde the suit in a box #isle-lore-theories message

[dusk pier]

That makes sense if you find it in a crate with like nigtvision

[lethal moat]

Something like that

[dusk pier]

Like a load out so if u go to the dinosaurs selection screen there is like 8 skins u can save what if himans had something similar like lets say there are 3 boxes or layouts 1 being that grass suit so u can change the color to light brown and the style to grass or dark green color and a leafy style

[dusk pier]

Im gona make a fan concept art to portry that idea

[lethal moat]

I imagine you’d find the clothes on the island

[dusk pier]

Yes in a box or something like a green box but if u at the character screen h can change the colors

Ok so the box with a grass suit would be a rare find like how mud is hard to find on the evrima map only a few locations since looking like a bush will be over powerd

I really dont care if the devs took my idea like if it works and makes the game better do it

Devs probably have better ideas than me anyway

[lethal moat]

I like the human gillie suit idea, could be useful for countering the massive bang the gun will make

[iron anchor]

you made that?

[dusk pier]

yes

[iron anchor]

good artist

[dusk pier]

im no pro but im improving

[dusk pier]

i got different artworks

[iron anchor]

send in dms

[loud fractal]

Guys.. I think there might be dinosaurs in the isle 😳😳😳

[lethal moat]

From a technical stand point, that’s wrong

[hollow sinew]

I dunno, I’ve been playing as the matriarch this whole time and haven’t seen one dinosaur yet :/

[meager junco]

Damn I always thought those were wingless dragons

[patent ginkgo]

I’ve only been seeing plants, dunno where those dinosaurs are

[minor lava]

Theory: The Isle - A Hidden Experiment

In The Isle, we find ourselves on an island teeming with prehistoric creatures and a peculiar group of mercenaries. But why are they all here? Let's uncover the secrets together.

The Mercenaries' Mission:

The mercenaries on the island have a clear objective: to contain and control the dinosaurs. Their presence suggests that there is something more than meets the eye. One theory is that they are part of a top-secret organization hired to study and experiment on these ancient creatures.

The Hidden Experiments:

It is possible that the dinosaurs on the island are not just remnants of the past, but rather subjects of a covert genetic experiment. The mercenaries might be involved in manipulating the DNA of these creatures, creating new species or enhancing their abilities.

The Island's Purpose:

The island itself may serve as a controlled environment for these experiments. Its isolated location and diverse ecosystems provide the ideal setting for studying the dinosaurs' behavior, adaptation, and potential applications. It could be a testing ground for advanced genetic technologies or even a potential weaponization project.

The Time Travel Paradox:

Another intriguing possibility is that the mercenaries themselves have traveled back in time, bringing their advanced weaponry and technology with them. This time travel theory could explain the anachronistic mix of modern firearms and ancient creatures. Perhaps they are attempting to alter the course of history or exploit the dinosaurs for their own gain.

Unraveling the Mystery:

As players, we are thrust into this world of mystery and survival. By uncovering hidden lore, discovering remnants of past experiments, and piecing together clues scattered throughout the game, we can slowly unravel the truth behind the mercenaries and the dinosaurs on the island.

[iron anchor]

im glad gpt has such insightful information into the isle lore

unfortunately this is the misinformation of all time

[acoustic osprey]

there will be a lot more than a few presets to pick from

you're practically just finding whatever

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1156923761090629742/TtbUOkPt.gif?ex=6516bcb7&is=65156b37&hm=b734ab30932f1e29eab8137e1b747946e5587ecb102c66ac64c43d5472c00c47&

[minor lava]

but hey, that's just my theory

[swift echo]

a **GAME **theory

[low scarab]

Smells like ai lol

[low scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068369724645506/1157119905649401856/uPQorVRR.gif?ex=65177363&is=651621e3&hm=aa99e6757083381c801ba4b0d6c146d0832a6ba9446de564cb298153ea60d940&

[rapid chasm]

chat gpt ahh

[lethal moat]

I thought your title said f something about a goblin mission and I was going to mention Ben

[sour rivet]

All my homes love CRAZY theories u the best

Time paradox theory ?!

[lethal moat]

I doubt it, but once again, anything unkown could be possible

[sour rivet]

Love it

Btw is Apollo still kinda mandatory for humanity or have they stabilized already

[lethal moat]

We do not know, that one of the "big questions"

We do know that they're too big to fail and have no choice but to continue though, #isle-lore-theories message

[sour rivet]

Interesting… well actually in what state is the world currently and do we know when all of that is happening ?

[lethal moat]

We don't know

[iron anchor]

i think the ai thinks the mercenaries went back to the dinosaur age

but we got confirmed they're not mercenaries and also that the dinosaurs were recreated in modern times

[patent ginkgo]

Or created, as it may be

[lethal moat]

The destroyed hyper fence leads me to think that something massive was loose on the island at some point, which might be related to why the island was abandoned

[swift echo]

what if it was like a disease 🤔 perhaps only human-targeted, forcing AE to leave but leaving dinosaurs to thrive?

[lethal moat]

I forgot about this, this might be related to the island being abandoned

[swift echo]

"sabotage" is unusually ominous

[lethal moat]

Yes, but something big was loose on the island at a point where AE never had time to repair the fence, and if Tartarus was made to contain the things inside it, there might have been outside help to get something big out

The question is: Is it sabotage by someone within the company or by gen 1/echidna/replicator shenanagins

[maiden sundial]

Could be a combination of both. Anything that's kinda friendly and doesn't want to kill us immediately we want it to become our friend.

[lethal moat]

So many options, because sabotage is a fairly general term, doesn't specify who did what

[acoustic osprey]

ChatGPT hasn't been updated with Evrima lore

and the old wiki still refers to Mercs and Cannibals

[muted reef]

Someone really neds to update the isle wiki lol

[low scarab]

What if you gave chat gpt like all the known lore basically copy pasted the lore documents in there and had it generate theories similar to what we believe are the most viable

[muted reef]

Chatgpt will replace matpat

[acoustic osprey]

We've made a Survive The Isle wiki with updated lore and accurate terms

[muted reef]

Devs should get a marketing campaign for this game when enough of the bugs and features are ironed out and added.

Is it the google doc?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[muted reef]

Link?

[acoustic osprey]

https://survive-the-isle.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eyeless

[muted reef]

Thx

[acoustic osprey]

No worries

[dusk pier]

that reminds me of an old painting

[fair arrow]

Sponsored by ChatGPT

[dusky valley]

Would the eyeless be playable?

[lethal moat]

Presumably, seeing as it's an upgrade from gen 1

[dusky valley]

Would the other strains be playable

[lethal moat]

We don't know about strains

Their playability that is

Especially seeing as we don't know how the apex system will work lol

[dusky valley]

Cause I’m excited for the colossus but I don’t like how big it is, it’s too big imo since I liked it being around shoulder height with a brachi (since pue is being replaced) I think that is the perfect height for it

[lethal moat]

That's a dondi question tbh

[dusky valley]

Not just dondi it’s just a dev question

[lethal moat]

Dondi makes lore stuff, and I'm not sure any of the other devs would answer, just my thoughts

[dusky valley]

True but the colossus as a playable would be cool

[lethal moat]

Yep

[dusky valley]

And also since we are more getting semi aquatics what if dondi made a new creature from the pre-existing strains codenamed ‘leviathan’ which it could be a large fish or a marine reptile as new creature and maybe playable if the other strains are gonna be playable

Or maybe for meme purposes looks like a reptilian seal

[lethal moat]

Where di you find this information?

[steel summit]

Colossus should be massive, not hyper rex size

[dusky valley]

It’s just a theory since deinocheirus and minmi are semi aquatics or have semi aquatic features and let’s not forget the spinosaurids

So having a semi aquatic strain wouldn’t sound too far fetched as a theory

[lethal moat]

What's the leviathen thing you talked about?

[steel summit]

I know how much you want big fish, but sadly low chance

[lethal moat]

Oh, it's a what if, my bad, sorry

[steel summit]

Anyway, hello rumple

[dusky valley]

True but big fish would be cool and the devs talked about adding in fully aquatic creatures in after the main roster is full

So that might mean more strains

[steel summit]

Yeah, like Mosa

[steel summit]

Strains are big (in commitment) and probably very expensive lore wise

[modern rover]

you are obsessed with semi-aquatics lol

[dusky valley]

Why is deino so big

[dusky valley]

Ok yea fair enough

[lethal moat]

Because that's how big it is

[dusky valley]

Or better question why is spino small

[lethal moat]

That's it's actual size

[steel summit]

Spino isnt a kaiju

[dusky valley]

Then why do the devs say deino needs to swim away from it if their basically the same size

[dusky valley]

They made out to be that big

[lethal moat]

It depends on how grown the deino is, and that spino could still deal a lot of damage.

[steel summit]

Nah, they made it out to be around rex size, and that is around rex size

[dusky valley]

Yea but they made sound like an adult deino needs to swim away from an adult spino but since that’s the size it doesn’t make any sense of why it needs to if it has the size to fight off

And an even better question if that art is official why is mosa small

[steel summit]

Mosa isnt a kaiju either

[lethal moat]

There are different types of mosasaurus

[steel summit]

Hoffmanni was around that size and length

[dusky valley]

Well I did not know that

Was tylosaurus massive?

Like way bigger than deino and spino

[steel summit]

Not way bigger, but i think a little heavier

[dusky valley]

Also I like the honey cheetah

[steel summit]

Thanks

[dusky valley]

But I also I dissagree with colossus not being bigger than hyper Rex since it make sense that colossus would be bigger

[steel summit]

in the "unofficial" tapwing concept where colossus is at shoulder height of the pue, it is also around the same size as a hyper rex (a little bigger of course)

[dusky valley]

I forgot about that but isn’t tapwing part of the official dev team now

[lethal moat]

Yes, but that doesn't make her old work canon

[steel summit]

yeah thats why i specified "unofficial"

[dusky valley]

Well good for her being part of the dev team now

[lethal moat]

As glorious as this would be to be canon, it is not official art, even though the asset is confirmed

[steel summit]

she's been for quite some time, but yeah

i love her strain dino concepts

[dusky valley]

What the hell is that?

[lethal moat]

I would love some official matriarch art

[dusky valley]

Is that a dragon?

[lethal moat]

Stage 6 of the matriarch growth, it's a creature from the isle

[steel summit]

Tissoplastic Dilophosaurus

[dusky valley]

It looks like a damn dragon can it fly?

[lethal moat]

If you want a ton of cool unofficial stuff, you should check out tapwing's deviantart

[lethal moat]

It can in earlier stages, that one lives in the ocean

[dusky valley]

Well damn maybe

[steel summit]

probly

[dusky valley]

I love it already

[steel summit]

we all love the matriarch, she is beautiful

[lethal moat]

Out of order but meh

[steel summit]

yeah

[lethal moat]

Is my favorite

[steel summit]

bigger = later stage

[dusky valley]

What if devs named their strains after mythical creatures

[lethal moat]

Echidna

[steel summit]

reaper and colossus are basically that as well

[lethal moat]

You're catching on though

[steel summit]

tartarus is an important place

[lethal moat]

Posiedon, Zeus, and Hades entry

Lots of hellenistic referances

[steel summit]

hades is the hyper carno right

[lethal moat]

Not anymore

[steel summit]

ah okay

[dusky valley]

Bunyip, leviathan for future strains

[lethal moat]

It's an entry point now

[steel summit]

leviathan could be a cool thing, probably could work on the Island walkers

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hoten-alastor-waiting-gif-21772780

[steel summit]

aight

[dusky valley]

Yes the possibilities are endless

[steel summit]

leviathan works perfectly with the Island Walkers imo

[lethal moat]

No aliens and no military purpose tho

[steel summit]

no aliens
Nih moment

[dusky valley]

I present how I would think bunyip would look like

But the tail being a manatee’s not that

[steel summit]

god of war moment

[dusky valley]

Yes it’s the god of war tatzelwurm but most of its model I like

As the base for the bunyip

[steel summit]

yeah it looks cool

[lethal moat]

Keep up the matriarch's work hawkey, I'm going to sleep

[steel summit]

k

hyperendocrin anky

[lethal moat]

You got to preface it by saying it's unofficial

[dusky valley]

And also make the fore arms chunkier and beefer

[lethal moat]

Minimize disinformation

[dusky valley]

And why does it’s armour remind me of Leonardo devintichs (if that’s how you spell his last) tank

[steel summit]

hyper herbi = basically confirmed unofficial

[steel summit]

da vinci* but yeah

[dusky valley]

Now I can’t un-see that now

[steel summit]

to me it looks like a horseshoe crab

[dusky valley]

And that aswell

[steel summit]

look at tapwing's old (unofficial) eyeless concept

[dusky valley]

And it’s maybe official since it does look like that now

But bunyip being a playable strain as a semi aquatic would be a cool idea

[lethal moat]

Twas' a cannibal back then

[steel summit]

yep, but im calling it eyeless since thats what it is

[lethal moat]

Even less than unofficial, it's been unconfirmed

[steel summit]

aight

anyway (unofficial) tisso carno

[dusky valley]

That looks what school tries to show you what an sti or std looks like

With legs

[steel summit]

charge with pierce damage

[dusky valley]

Instead of knockback

[steel summit]

yeah

[dusky valley]

What are some other names for semi aquatic strains

[lethal moat]

Hyperendocrin, neurotenic, and tissoplastic

[dusky valley]

Yea but like names for the individual creatures of those strains

[lethal moat]

Only the humanoid strains get specific names as far as I'm aware

[steel summit]

h-rex, h-spino, h-giga, h-carno, n-spino those are the confirmed strain dinosaurs

[dusky valley]

Damn

Well the semi aquatic strains would be more of hybrids of random semi and fully aquatic creatures

[lethal moat]

Technically we are only 100% of hyper rex

[lethal moat]

So the matriarch then

[dusky valley]

Or for bunyip a mix of terrestrial and semi aquatic

[dusky valley]

Well matriarch is one example of that trope

[lethal moat]

Not really, since it's constantly evolving

[dusky valley]

Yea fair enough

[lethal moat]

If you want a mix of terrestrial and semi-aquatic, take spino strains

[dusky valley]

Yea that too

[steel summit]

tbh would you classify Island walkers as semi-aquatic (from what i know they spend a lot of time traversing the ocean but i could be wrong)

[dusky valley]

What do island walkers look like?

[lethal moat]

Probably, though we don't know anything lol

[steel summit]

big

[lethal moat]

No clue

[dusky valley]

Well damn

[steel summit]

VERY BIG

you know that lake skeleton on that one legacy map

that is probably an island walker for all we know

[lethal moat]

That's what it is, and it's all we know

[dusky valley]

Damn

What if they added in a mammal strain

Or one that looks like a mammal

[lethal moat]

Hyperendocrin redesign

[dusky valley]

Of what?

[steel summit]

i said probably since you know how legacy lore is unofficial now (but i remember that Island Walkers were still official)

[lethal moat]

The strains are getting redesign, and the new hyper has some mammel characteristics

[lethal moat]

It's confirmed for evrima

[steel summit]

Even the Legacy skeleton?

[dusky valley]

Damn so colossus would look like a reptilian monkey?

[lethal moat]

No clue, we only have the rex concept art

[dusky valley]

Yea and that looks so cool

[steel summit]

I mean it already looks like a furry humanoid crocodile

[lethal moat]

We know the islandwalker is confirmed, probably still massive, maybe not the same as legacy

[steel summit]

Aight

[steel summit]

i hope it keeps it's size, because how you gonna be called an Island Walker if you cant even walk a couple islands

[lethal moat]

One of my ongoing theories is that tartarus could be an islandwalker burrow/nest

[steel summit]

yeah, you said that and i responded to that, and i think that theory makes sense as long as the creatures are made somewhere other than tartarus

[lethal moat]

It could be abandoned, like the islandwalker left or is hibernating

[steel summit]

yeah, but if tartarus makes the creatures, how did the islandwalker make the nest/burrow before tartarus was made

[lethal moat]

Depends on if the islandwalker was there before AE or if it was made

[steel summit]

yes, and that is my question, is the Islandwalker natural or artificial, because both answers have impact on the world

[lethal moat]

Right

[steel summit]

if its artificial then how did they make them and what did they use, and if they are natural that is even more crazy

[lethal moat]

mhm

[steel summit]

if they are natural then they could be the "suppliers" of the hyperendocrin strain or something, that could make sense somehow

[lethal moat]

No clue

[steel summit]

me neither, thats why we have theories

[dusky valley]

Tartarus is just a facility housing creatures like the strains and hybrids

[steel summit]

Thats one theory

[dusky valley]

Yea but it does seem to make the most sense

Since Tartarus was just a hellhole housing all kinds of monsters

[gray willow]

here is general chat

?

[steel summit]

Tartarus is a facility, but why couldnt the facility be housed inside of an Island Walker nest/burrow, also yeah im guessing there are gonna be creatures contained there, but i dont think thats its entire purpose

[steel summit]

this is lore theories, you're looking for #isle-discussion

[gray willow]

ah k thx

[steel summit]

np

[sour rivet]

Why place a high tech facility there though ?

[steel summit]

who knows, ask rumple he made the theory

im just saying it could work

[sour rivet]

Natural protection ? If they were able to conduct all of it secretly and use the Island walker as protection than yeah maybe

But that would leave the question of protecting against what

[steel summit]

that would make sense, but the island walker could also be dead

[sour rivet]

In that case it would make MUCH more sense, since probably almost any creature in the area would know that that’s the Island walker territory they wouldn’t go near it

[steel summit]

the legacy island walker (the skeleton) was atleast killed by something other than natural causes (hunger, thirst or age)

[sour rivet]

Apollo maybe ?

Well if we are talking about Legacy maybe the original idea was that phoenix killed it

[steel summit]

maybe, but at that size it would be a waste to use anything short of a missile to kill it

[sour rivet]

Wait the Island walker isn’t cannon anymore if I remember correctly because it was part of Legacy’s lore…

[steel summit]

the ribs on the skeleton are pue sized, (and legacy pue is extremely oversized)

[steel summit]

rumple says its still canon

so i'm not 100% sure

[sour rivet]

Hmmm pretty interesting but yeah it would make sense to place Tartarus at a rather more special area

[steel summit]

yeah

but as i said this theory only works if tartarus is not the place where they make the creatures (unless the island walkers are natural of course)

[robust pilot]

Could the island walker be the matriarch's 6th stage?

[steel summit]

no, different creatures

[steel summit]

also this is the (unofficial) 6th stage of the matriarch, way too small to be an Island Walker

compared with human

its big yeah, but the island walker is bigger

[robust pilot]

Got it

[steel summit]

no problem

all matriarch art is sadly unofficial so we dont really know much sorry, but is cool

[robust pilot]

Yeah

Do we have any island walker art?

[steel summit]

nope, just the lake skeleton on that one legacy map

sadly

we only know that they are big, thats it

[robust pilot]

What a shame..

[steel summit]

yes

[iron anchor]

that’s humongous god damn

[steel summit]

Big girl

[hollow sinew]

Well, I made a fan art of what it could look like. It’s most likely very inaccurate and it isn’t the most realistic thing compared to Tapwing art XD

One thing I will say because I studied the skeleton under the lake to draw it. The skeleton for one has a very long neck like and a very short chest with huge spinosaurus-like spines that curve to one direction. The most interesting thing is that it has a tail bone thing with a human hip bone. It’s ribcage is also a human’s ribcage

[hollow sinew]

I remember Dondi saying that something that big shouldn’t be alive. He could be saying that it died because it was literally too big for its own good and maybe couldn’t easily access resources? I’m not really sure, but I do know he said that I think either from a stream or a video

[steel summit]

no, dondi said that it did not die of natural causes, it was igp that said that it was too big to be alive

[hollow sinew]

Well dang, okay my bad XD

[steel summit]

nah its fine'

[iron anchor]

there’s tapwing art of the island walker?

[steel summit]

no, sadly not

[iron anchor]

a

[iron anchor]

could you send yours

[hollow sinew]

It’s really more artistic rather than an actual character concept, but maybe I’ll make a real character concept for it in the future >_<

Also this is the best picture I could get to reference it but it shows the human parts of the skeleton and the more dinosaur parts

[iron anchor]

that’s cool

nice art

[hollow sinew]

Thank you!

[river marsh]

Considering how lions and tigers when crossed causes an even larger offspring due to certain genes not being present to control size, the presence of spinosaurid(?) traits in that spine tells me it might have a similar effect when mixed with other creatures. The lack of a skull also confirms that its death was likely not natural. Probably killed and any identifying pieces (sans spine) taken to avoid a repeat attempt to make one.

[lethal moat]

Or it’s a partial fossil and it hasn’t been seen in a long time

[river marsh]

I doubt that as fossils are essentially minerals and the skeletons presence in a lake and not a peat bog or otherwise would have completely erroded it away rather than let it surface

[lethal moat]

When it was on the surface, it looked rock like to me, but you’re probably right

[river marsh]

Would be very strange then to have that there. Could also have been man made if thats the case as a decoy

[lethal moat]

Maybe, but now that I think about it, I think I remember something about it being killed by maybe the colossus, it might be my brain making that up though

Anybody got any hope for a teeny amount of lore from the devblog today?

[steel summit]

yeah, dondi confirmed (though legacy so unofficial) that the Island Walker did not die of natural causes

[river marsh]

Mhm

[steel summit]

i always hope, but we dont always get

[lethal moat]

Always wanting more concept art/models

Imagine the day we get our first model for a gen 1 weapon or structure lol

Or a strain concept, probably still a good distance off, but it’s fun to think about

[steel summit]

gen 1 weapon?, my first guess is "spear", the perfect weapon, both ranged (if thrown) and melee

[lethal moat]

Spear is the one that we know for sure about, though I would guess some sort of club and maybe a short pointy stick

[icy onyx]

,

[subtle goblet]

Yanno, the fences seem like a pretty important to only have big open breaks that don't look like they were just accidently unfinished...

[lethal moat]

Might be to slow things down or discourage stuff rather than stopping it entirely

[acoustic osprey]

No
Practically she grew bigger but more monstrous

Practically unable to walk
Only swim

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say quite likely

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think the fences, nor the buildings, are actually finished though

That's the problem

[civic prism]

anyone have the concept art of human dinosaur hybrid pls?

[acoustic osprey]

hybrids
Strains

This is a collage
But these are the three Vega artworks of the characters (official artworks from many years ago)

[civic prism]

nah i saw a post, hand draw black and white

[unborn atlas]

You mean the gen 1's?

[civic prism]

i think

ah i got it

[quartz marsh]

if you do certain things while you grow, then you grow into an elder, which is just super adult

[unborn atlas]

Here's some more

[lethal moat]

Not a hybrid, it’s a failed experiment to create humanity

[pale marsh]

Hasn't dondi stated gen1 arent failed? We just don't know what the goal with them was exactly

[lethal moat]

It was the first experiment, so they probably learned stuff from it, but gen 2 was more what they were looking for.

[acoustic osprey]

Being they're labelled as monstrous
And presumably continued

I don't believe they were true fails

[pale marsh]

Really does depend on what the intention is
If only dondi would uh
Enlighten us

[lethal moat]

If only

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

Neuro concept for october devblog???? lol

[acoustic osprey]

Uhh!!!

[low scarab]

Dude I want strain plant concepts so bad

[patent ginkgo]

I’m throwing a party when those get released

[iron anchor]

what

you wanna see a 100000 foot tall redwood tree?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hercules-pain-panic-if-if-is-good-gif-5298310

[iron anchor]

with armor plating

huge trees would make the environment look amazing

[patent ginkgo]

My specialty is botany lore, of course I want to see that

[lethal moat]

Redwoods are planned

[iron anchor]

telepathic trees would give vietnam flashbacks

[iron anchor]

for gateway?

[pseudo fable]

@acoustic osprey

https://tenor.com/97VF.gif

[lethal moat]

Eventually

He has spoken

[pseudo fable]

I'm just here for a moment to drop content and leave.

Well, make someone else do it.

And then leave.

[iron anchor]

isaac is staff?

[lethal moat]

Ooooo, I'm intrigued

[pseudo fable]

No. They just get a courtesy ping because they do a lot with nothing.

[lethal moat]

Not as far as I'm aware

[pseudo fable]

And I told them I would the next time something was coming.

[iron anchor]

ah ok

[lethal moat]

So, what do you have for us to obsess over today?

[patent ginkgo]

Ooh lore

[iron anchor]

that was a dondi jumpscare

[patent ginkgo]

For sure

[pseudo fable]

HRS.12-S.174 [AUGUSTUS]

But it might suck. Who knows.

[lethal moat]

Do tell

[pseudo fable]

Nah. Just watch Phase Three. Hopefully everyone likes it. I love what Seiza pulled off with the directions I'm trying to go. 😅

[patent ginkgo]

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bIDF7.gif

[river marsh]

👀

[iron anchor]

lol

oh m

[river marsh]

snags that for Rumple's lore discord\

[lethal moat]

5 MINUTES LETS GOOO

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/2Aae.gif

[lethal moat]

It was a pleasure

[modern rover]

god i love that

[modern rover]

the real question is who is Shirley lol

because apparently Augustus is not a fan

[river marsh]

the observations aid it fled when it heard Shirley, and the video shows it fleeing when a rex roars

so they must have named that particular rex subject Shirley

I was expecting gunfire or something but oooo

[lethal moat]

I still haven't finished the video because of the devblog jesus christ

[river marsh]

I devour everything instantly as it comes to me hehe

I can only imagine the reactions of the first people to see the first herrera climbing like that ahhh

[lethal moat]

I can't wait to see people coming here asking about gen 1 since they might see it for the first time in the devblog

The troodons ripping the guy to shreds and the eyeless and all the things

[meager junco]

I think the Dino running in that video is Herrera but I could be wrong

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/moxxie-helluva-boss-happy-sparkles-shook-gif-14925583944420073639

[crystal cairn]

@acoustic osprey !!!!!!

[light nacelle]

I love how you think Troodons are tiny, then you put them against a human and not a dinosaur and you realize they're fairly big LOL

[lethal moat]

He's offline rn

Sadly

I do look forward to the coming months though. 🙂

[meager junco]

I saw they’re the mass of a wolf so they’re definitely not tiny

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[lethal moat]

Roughly

[meager junco]

I mean give or take that’s still not a small animal

[rapid chasm]

Is tartarus a prison?

[lethal moat]

Containment facility for big scary bois, I can see it containing those who betray the company

[light nacelle]

Its probably where the strains are contained, I imagine

If Gateway is any indication, they did have paddocks set up

[lethal moat]

Correct

[keen topaz]

i need more lore

[lethal moat]

We have a group if you're interested

[icy onyx]

Of all the days to sleep in

[lethal moat]

You're fashonably late

[icy onyx]

Was a long day of work yesterday!

Good to know lore is going to start ramping up though

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah

[crystal cairn]

LIGHTCLAW

[lethal moat]

We'll have to fill him in

[crystal cairn]

he was active shortly before the drop, I'm so excited for him and all the lore nerds

[lethal moat]

You want in? The lore server is going nuts

[crystal cairn]

hmmm

kinda like talking about it here so the devs can see all our banter as well

I'm sure it's fun for them

[lethal moat]

We do that still, but it's more of a casual conversation thing, plus it streamlines any lore people find directly into the docs and people who want it

Current discussion is wether the creature in the video is a herrera or not

[crystal cairn]

hmm what else would he be?

[lethal moat]

Matriarch was brought up, the general concensus is subadult herrera

Or maybe a tisso, but most likely herrera

[crystal cairn]

yeah from what limited info I know of, tisso seems more in favor of troodon perhaps

[lethal moat]

Tissos get smaller, I doubt a troodon would be that big lol

[iron anchor]

yeah still that snout shape has me wondering

herrara snout is a rectangle

[crystal cairn]

ohhhh you're right

[iron anchor]

if those spikes are teeth, it could be a strain because i dont know any actual dinosaurs with that much low hanging teeth

[lethal moat]

I think it's just angled weird

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm
Tartarus

[iron anchor]

yeah probably

epic overthinking

[crystal cairn]

he's here!!! dondi pinged you lightclaw

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/entrance-gif-26331769

[crystal cairn]

area in facial structure where light can pass through? or just camera delay

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carell-oh-my-god-its-happening-gif-17270692

[crystal cairn]

so it's possible the initial footage in the film (which was at night btw, all the other footage was in day time) was a different dinosaur entirely

[iron anchor]

yeah very strange

[lethal moat]

I still haven't finished the video because I keep getting interrupted lol

[iron anchor]

i wanna see what you theorized it is when i wake up later

[crystal cairn]

Augustus could have been imitating the behavior as well

I'm a newb with lore but just spitfiring initial thoughts

[meager junco]

My conclusion is the first video with “SHIRLEY” is a complete different asset, maybe what troodon was created from but hard to tell

[crystal cairn]

yeah yeah, we already know Augustus isn't supposed to climb, but he's climbing now. What's to say he's not already imitating observed behaviours

[signal pivot]

"It has not escaped my notice that a large chunk of the community is ravenous for story-telling" I am one of those people

grrr I love eating lore

[acoustic osprey]

No

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-i-am-tere-to-talk-to-you-nick-fury-gif-17148011

[acoustic osprey]

I need to properly watch this video
I am in theatre right now!!

[crystal cairn]

dondi is such a lore nerd in other games as well so whatever he's cooking up will likely be good

[crystal cairn]

we need you

[lethal moat]

so far, it's all been great

[signal pivot]

oh I am aware, I think hes also an mgs enjoyer which was a big thing i grew up playing

[light nacelle]

I've been following the Isle's lore since 2015 I feel FED for the first time in ages

[signal pivot]

this game made me get my first gaming pc

but oohooh man i cant wait to see what he has to offer

[light nacelle]

Also bc you did

[crystal cairn]

even if it's crumbs, some of the best lore is crumb based

[acoustic osprey]

Soon!

[light nacelle]

I'm just happy the Cannibals/Gen 1's didn't end up in the ideas bin

[lethal moat]

The fact that he's giving us the opportunity to make out own fan-made stuff is really good too

[signal pivot]

all of my favorite media is vague with its lore

[light nacelle]

which I was worried they had, frankly

[crystal cairn]

enjoy your movie

[acoustic osprey]

Barely any lore back then

[signal pivot]

or leaves you thinking, thats the best kind imo

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/conan-o-brien-plot-thickens-plot-gif-12429372

[light nacelle]

I remember seeing the tidbits they did have and being hyped, then..... yeah

[acoustic osprey]

No no
Physical theatre

I work there as a funny lighting person

[light nacelle]

Now I'm hyped again LOL

[signal pivot]

I've felt starved for so long

[crystal cairn]

ohhhh gotchya okay

[acoustic osprey]

Aye!

[lethal moat]

Thats pretty cool

[fair arrow]

Someone tell me what's happening

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
Practically just being PCG

Very tiny

A lot happened in the later stages
2017-2018 was great

[lethal moat]

We got a new lore video of stuff and the devblog has more lore stuff

[meager junco]

https://tenor.com/view/lots-of-questions-carly-shay-miranda-cosgrove-icarly-im-confused-gif-22500570

[signal pivot]

I think what we're discussing atm spawned from this

[light nacelle]

The biggest takeaway from that video for me is the fact they saw Augustus escaping his pen and eating trail cams and deciding this was a good behaviour for the island's herrerra's to have.

Despite knowing, presumably, it'd be prime for more escapes.

[crystal cairn]

what if... something is teaching the dinos things

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator!!!

[lethal moat]

A neuro could do it pretty easily

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you!

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of phase three?

[lethal moat]

I could see a neuro teaching a dino to go after cameras

[crystal cairn]

what if agustus is just a pawn in something much larger

[lethal moat]

This could explain why I haven't found any cameras on gateway yet

[light nacelle]

Also we have a Rex called SHirley

which is cute

[lethal moat]

Aaaaaand the lore server devolved into the validity of troondids again

[lethal moat]

I like it

[fair arrow]

I will read when I get home

[signal pivot]

Augustus with the cameras:

[crystal cairn]

what does this mean

[sweet kite]

when is the isle getting a lore wiki

[lethal moat]

It's a palentology debate about whether troodon is is own species or a subspecies

[crystal cairn]

ohhh lol

[lethal moat]

There is one, but I haven't trusted it in awhile, I follow the lore docs

[sweet kite]

what lore docs

[signal pivot]

tbh wikis arent the best place for information relating to storylines on things anymore, i've had to correct a few from other games I like because people kind of just inject whatever + "fanon"

[lethal moat]

Pinned docs

[light nacelle]

This has to mean they're taking emergent, interesting genomes and stuffing them in a vault for future use, no?

[crystal cairn]

174 is Agustus?

[light nacelle]

Yeah

[crystal cairn]

what is Olympus

[acoustic osprey]

We have also a survive the Isle wiki fandom, which is more accurate than the other

[light nacelle]

This was AFTER they'd updated the existing Herrera genome btw

[acoustic osprey]

Possibly Olympus Central Control

[light nacelle]

So presumably they snatched Augustus and locked him in gay baby jail

[acoustic osprey]

We do know AE have done multiple "versions" / "Gems" for things

Such as Utahraptor,
In past older lore

[lethal moat]

Sounds like it

[light nacelle]

I was just going to bring the Utah's up, actually.

[lethal moat]

Galli in current lore

[meager junco]

The feather document?

[light nacelle]

And if the Gen 1's customizations are canon (which they are) presumably they're two different versions within the Gen 1's.

[acoustic osprey]

And yes

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-gif-26054749

[acoustic osprey]

The glance sheet

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on how recent Gen2s are

[meager junco]

Yeh I remember reading that in I think January but haven’t looked back at it since