isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Anyway, I noticed that the echidna, reaper, and colossus are human strains, not gen 2, so I’m interested to see the lore around that

[tired trellis]

Human experimentation is lit.

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Smol things can still hide

[acoustic osprey]

just, is "days"
in-lore
or in-game

[lethal moat]

I would assume in game, but I imagine it would be more of a time than an actual food meter because of how big they are

[swift echo]

im sure there's something in coding that could make the message say our users, targeting us, specifically

[acoustic osprey]

I do hope it's more a hunger timer

where it slowly becomes remotely impossible to actually survive

no matter how many times admins heal you

aka. An Exponential drain

[swift echo]

that'd be nice, where not even devs could save you

[acoustic osprey]

dead

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

That would be spook

[lethal moat]

Remembered the robo quetz because of this and I’m trying to think of practical applications other than surveillance

[acoustic osprey]

well, there's no other true usage of drones

besides surveillance, warfare and making films

[bronze zodiac]

Recon is really the only thing maybe a quetz to spook off smaller fliers

[acoustic osprey]

natural recon

[bronze zodiac]

Maybe a normal drone would be more likely to be attacked by pt and other flying creatures so the work around is to use the shape of most feared flyer to make sure they are not attacked

[modern rover]

if gen 2 isn't spawn and die i dont wanna play it

[fossil nebula]

I though they were going to have goals and such and could possibly not die all the time, like there would be times youd live for abit

[lethal moat]

I feel it's going to be very skill based

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[modern rover]

i'd be happy if they had goals too, but i want them to be extremely likely to die

[lethal moat]

Also, very sad there was no lore in devblog

[acoustic osprey]

never is

[fossil nebula]

as they should, being big fleshy meat-sacks lol

[lethal moat]

We got the tiny bit last time

[fossil nebula]

although we dont know what kinda armors may be available to gen 2s

[modern rover]

i want shooting a gun to be more dangerous for the shooter than the thing getting shot

[modern rover]

would armour matter? i'd imagine you will die all the same

[lethal moat]

Yeah, because loud thing bring big thing to you

[modern rover]

kevlar or not, a rex will kill you with a bite

[fossil nebula]

it depends on if what your fighting can crush you or not

[modern rover]

even a raptor should shred through armour

[fossil nebula]

yeah itd be stab proof armor thatd help with dinos, not ballistic vests

[modern rover]

i literally don't see a universe where armour does anything lol

[lethal moat]

Kevlar is more for smol fast things than for talons

[fossil nebula]

thats be for other gen 2s

[lethal moat]

Bro wants this:

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-crusader-door-enter-gif-17792300

[fossil nebula]

perhaps

but the kevlar or ballistic armor would be for bullet resistance against other humans yeah woulnt do much against dinos, and if there was armor, thatd just be one of them

[lethal moat]

In lore, gen 2 most likely won't be shooting at each other, so that would be largely unnecessary

[fossil nebula]

I agree but players will play

[acoustic osprey]

not TheHunter Primal

[modern rover]

apparently, they will be fighting each other, a lot

[acoustic osprey]

but I can see Human v Human conflicts arrising

[modern rover]

like humans are not encouraged to be buddy buddy all the time at all

if you want someone's stuff, you can take it

[fossil nebula]

would be cool if top tier gen 1 armor was like a rugged chain mail lol

[modern rover]

i would rather avoid dinos and kill other humans over killing dinos tbh

[modern rover]

no way can those guys make something like chain mail lol

[lethal moat]

This makes me think gen 2 is more of an experiment than AE actually wanting to retake the island

[fossil nebula]

yeah with those hands... lol

[modern rover]

gen 1 is arguably a failure if anything

[fossil nebula]

it woulnt happen lol

[modern rover]

and the resources on the island. They would literally need to understand mining, metal refinery and more

[lethal moat]

I can see bone splint armor happening, if any

[fossil nebula]

Safe to say gen 2 prob wont mess wiht chainmail either but is a cool concept against dino attacks

[acoustic osprey]

chainmail

[fossil nebula]

same with plate armor

[acoustic osprey]

Knight Gen2s

[fossil nebula]

or using a morning star vs dinos

[lethal moat]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves just yet, people use chainmail consistenly in modern day to protecc from animal with big teeth

[fossil nebula]

Yeah true I just dont see it for the isle but im hopeful

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-pet-gentle-gif-22470740

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, that's medieval tech

[lethal moat]

Shark proof outfit

It's unlikely, but an option

I can see possible plate carriers and flak working

[fossil nebula]

something like this would stop raptor claws and smaller from ripping your vital organs its a stab vest, good luck protecting your head from trama but this would help https://superseer.com/userfiles/2386/images/S1621Image.jpg

[lethal moat]

I feel these would work

Riot gear basically

[fossil nebula]

yeap, thats for dino protection

[lethal moat]

Actually, some sort of shield may not be a bad idea

[fossil nebula]

unless you have a gun yeah

[acoustic osprey]

velo claws

[lethal moat]

If my first experience with another gen 2 is friendly fire I swear to god I will turn into John Wick

[acoustic osprey]

I am going to shoot you as a Gen2

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-winston-john-wick-chapter-4-jw4-here-we-go-gif-5580040661184435072

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[fossil nebula]

only reason I say maybe bigger too is because most stab vests can take a grown man stabbing as hard as they can and it will never pierce, but omnis are like twice the weight so ehhhh

[acoustic osprey]

Not even twice

[lethal moat]

I feel like the shredding would have a different affect than stabbing, and the surface area of the slash migh end somewhere where the armor isnt

[fossil nebula]

true slashing would have less of an effect on stab armor though its material that doesnt like to shred, but it will break

[lethal moat]

I'm saying something like if you lash from shoulder to hip and the armor only covers vital organs, there wouls still be a scratch at the beginning and end

Or the sides

There are weaknesses

[fossil nebula]

True, we will have to see what armor they add or what the model looks like

[lethal moat]

Personally, I prefer the armor of distance and a metal sheet of a car

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

in truth, just give me good clothing

like the two dudes in that one concept art
simple is great

[kindred bobcat]

Why do we call humans/gen 2s mercs/mercenaries, is it just a unfortunate nickname?

[acoustic osprey]

that was their original name

[lethal moat]

They are t actual humans, they are an experiment to recreate human dna

[acoustic osprey]

no, pretzel was confused on why they're called nicknamed as Mercs

[kindred bobcat]

so the merc lore realtion was scrapped bu the name stuck cus its cool

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hallow willow]

https://tenor.com/view/me-explaining-roblox-lore-firemonkey-lore-roblox-firemonkey-lore-firemonkey-gif-26082614

[livid shard]

🧠

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[low scarab]

where would you check for lore first on gateway

maybe wherever that horn sound was probably\

guts?

[acoustic osprey]

GUTS for sure

K15 and other buildings

[bronze zodiac]

I would probably check out the domes and any other structures along the way

Then after that I would check the waterways because I have a feeling there is something there

[acoustic osprey]

albeit, we know domes won't be accessible at launch

[pale marsh]

honestly lore COULD be anywhere, but yea start with any kind of human structure

[rapid chasm]

Concept art used a mix of marpat/cadpat in a woodland slash desert varient, I'm super-duper-pooper happy it's not mcam-tropic

[topaz crane]

Real lmfao💀💀

[sour rivet]

Im kinda interested in the lore could someone explain said lore to me or give me something so I can look it up ? The only thing I know is that Apollo is a medic company or smh hence why they are doing research on dinosaurs and are genetically manipulating them and stuff (hence why strains and the like)

[bronze zodiac]

Ok so what parts to you already know

[sour rivet]

Ben, Apollo initial Motive, there are cannibals, big Giga AI God or something annnnnd Bio domes though I’m unsure

[bronze zodiac]

Ok what do you know of the three strains

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Here’s a quick summary, we can answer questions afterwards

[swift echo]

trust us, you'll have a lot of them

[sour rivet]

Neuro, hypo and Magma or smh

[bronze zodiac]

The three strains are the type h the type n and the type t but t may or may not its on the edge between cannon and not

Type h are dinos that are larger heavy armerd and powerful with the downside of needing to eat alot type n are cretures that have in the simplest terms psionic like abilities type t are fast and are made to be ambush hunters they are the type with the less about them

[lethal moat]

Type t is still confirmed

They also change their skin color to match their surroundings.

[lethal moat]

Magna has been sent to the shadow realm, the document explains the basics

[sour rivet]

Ima start with it now, am currently outside though xD

[lethal moat]

Oof

[sour rivet]

Ok i have read through it

But one thing i don’t really understand. Why ?

Why go through the hassle with dinosaurs and how did they make the strains. What’s their goal ?

[lethal moat]

Something related to medicine, we think hypers are for muscle growth, neuro for brain development, and tisso for regeneration of limbs/organs

[sour rivet]

Ohhhh ok yeah that makes totally sense soooo that’s their goal to make better humans ? Or to make humans better

[lethal moat]

And we don’t know why dinosaurs yet, we had a discussion yesterday and most of us think it’s to avoid legal loopholes by saying it’s a product that they made rather than an actual living thing on paper

[lethal moat]

Presumably, yes, we know AE is not an evil company and is probably doing things for the betterment of humanity

[sour rivet]

But aren’t they a cooperation that is kinda above the law ?

[sour rivet]

But they also did create weapons didn’t they ? A strain weapon or something

[lethal moat]

International corporations still need to subscribe to human rights

[lethal moat]

The hyper cannon that we don’t know much about

To be used against the strains

[sour rivet]

So Apollo seems to be a good cooperation… are there any known chars ?

Or people of significance

[lethal moat]

There are, we just don’t know about any from Evrima yet, and Apollo was described as “Not a generic evil corporation.” So they are likely the antagonist in lore, but with virtue in mind with their goals

[sour rivet]

Somewhat like the SCP foundation I would say

[lethal moat]

I’ve made comparisons in the past yeah

[sour rivet]

Though they do seem kinda shady… whilst it’s true that these 3 fields of research (hypo, Tissu, Neuro) could be better for humanity altogether it could be used as a means to wage war… and that would probably be my own guess too. Advance Modern Warfare by using dinosaurs that can withstand even explosions or EMP bomb drones or what not

[lethal moat]

We know the dinos will not be used in war, they are too expensive and unreliable

Tossing a hyper in the middle of a battlefield is like rolling a d20 and only people who roll a 7 survive, on both sides

It’s just not a good idea

No dinosaurs in war

[raven anchor]

Singular Leopard 2 can accomplish what a hyper can and more

[lethal moat]

Ight, but a hyper rex can beat a Leopard 2

Hypers are basically unstoppable until they starve

[icy onyx]

Shoot into the hypers mouth when it opens its jaws. Ain't no way its throat is armored too

[maiden sundial]

Likely not. But also think of it this way. What is the name of the second bit of the hypers name?

[maiden sundial]

I doubt their armor can handle more than 400mm of penetration.

APFSDS is built different

[icy onyx]

hyperendocrin right? Or something like that

I know they got fast healing but it'd surely atleast be a way humans can stun Hypers momentarily

[maiden sundial]

Precisely. Now the endocrine system is made to control hormones. Including those that are responsible for how fast thing are rebuilt.

[maiden sundial]

I mean yea. Tbh any modern tank capable of using APFSDS rounds or some other type is capable of killing a hyperendocrine

[icy onyx]

Yeah. I can see them having some resistance to HEAT, but darts surely shouldn't be an issue

I doubt we'd see tanks in the game but I can dream

[maiden sundial]

APFSDS can Penetrate more than 400mm of armor.

It's scary how effective it is

[acoustic osprey]

Hyperendocrin?

[maiden sundial]

Isn't their endocrine system juiced up to maximum overdrive?

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as we're not getting explosives, I presume no tanks

[icy onyx]

Modern stuff can reach up to 600mm+. Especially Leo 2's DM53

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
Hence hyper

anything revolving their endocrine system, so of course therefore "hormones", would be running faster

[acoustic osprey]

i heavily presume we'll be getting anything militaristic in nature

[icy onyx]

Almost we'd probably see a buggy or jeep with a MG on it. But it'd be like, really rare and hard to upkeep I think. Probably not even that tbh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, that's the extent i'm thinking of

seeing as they're already confirmed as well

[lethal moat]

Watch the hyper gun just be a tank parked in a random garage on the island

[acoustic osprey]

lol

giant portable anti-aircraft

[lethal moat]

Parry this you filthy casual

https://tenor.com/view/tank-gif-9293870

[lethal moat]

Overpen the hyper and nail the Dryo half a mile away

[icy onyx]

Dryo deserved it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bronze zodiac]

I think we could also get smaller vehicles like a four wheeler

[iron anchor]

there’s a hyper gun?

[acoustic osprey]

was, is

[iron anchor]

it was and it is?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

it lies within a constant state of pain and suffering of "who knows" "don knows" "maybe it's coming" "but don confirmed it" "but hope still has Primal lore"

[iron anchor]

Lol

so the name

[acoustic osprey]

infers the capability to kill hypers

[iron anchor]

is it a living gun injected with the hyper strain or is it anti hyper rifle

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[lethal moat]

I like the tank idea

[bronze zodiac]

How to kill a hyper hunger maybe a wepon that targets the hypers biggest weakness

[acoustic osprey]

that's true
less a "big gun"
and more a "venom gun"

[icy onyx]

Possibility of finding a tank whenever a strain is in lobby? (I'm coping hard)

[lethal moat]

Maybe it’s something you have to prepare for as best you can

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rhett-and-link-nerd-vs-geek-rap-battle-store-glasses-gif-17402325

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/im-hungry-hungy-panda-cute-aww-gif-14286262

^hyper in response to being shot in the face with a shotgun

[bronze zodiac]

I think it would require a large force of gen 2 to even think about fighting a type h

[lethal moat]

I don’t think the number would make too much of a difference, much more so the equipment they have

[rapid chasm]

its all the equipment they have

[bronze zodiac]

Now that I think of it poisons are probably the strongest weapon against type h and type n

[lethal moat]

Nerve gas does wonders

[median shuttle]

You know what, screw guns, just add swords and spears to the humans /j

[modern rover]

generation 1 will have spears if that's any consolation

[median shuttle]

Im also not opposed to guns Ive just been playing a lot of mordhau recently

[modern rover]

the omniraptor watching helplessly as i attack cancel into perfect parry, lowering their stamina and allowing me to attack without problem

[median shuttle]

excactly

[lethal moat]

The hyper starving to death as I dodgeroll all his attacks

[sour rivet]

For honor

[modern rover]

i have literally never played it

[sour rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/for-honor-zone-parry-evade-dodge-video-game-gif-17583375

[modern rover]

i was going to bring up waterfalling and gambling but idk how deep you are down the mordhau hole

[sour rivet]

Barely surface level

[bronze zodiac]

any ideas on why AE is sending gen2 into the islands

[lethal moat]

To recapture the island since they lost the islands years ago, and I think it’s also an experiment for gen 2

[icy onyx]

What better way to test out these perfect humans you made than plopping them onto your overrun dino island. You get test results, you don't risk yourself and if they succeed then you get your island back as a bonus

[lethal moat]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

Yes. Practically

if you're going to create this "Hyper Gun" (in terms of balance)

it literally has to be the strongest gun in the game for "brute strength"

sure, that's relatively "fine"
but it would be a lot more "balanced" if it was less "brute strength" and more a toxin-based weapon (dart gun)

in which would make it more so a "Strain gun" than "Hyper Gun"

[lethal moat]

I stand by my opinion that nerve gas would work

[acoustic osprey]

gun

[low scarab]

or feed it

and when you need it gone

poison whatever you normally feed it

[acoustic osprey]

GUN

[lethal moat]

Nerve gas gun

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1157862777428389989/image0.gif?ex=651a273e&is=6518d5be&hm=145ded307b5247ec30501a495c169b76037ae9d5c65623d67c609966629a355e&

that would be ok
just more collateral damage, i imagine

[lethal moat]

What I believe you meant to say was free xp

[bronze zodiac]

There is no collateral damage if it's on purpose

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nickfury-infinity-war-samuel-l-jackson-gif-13656296

[low scarab]

I wonder how the matriarch died

If it wasn’t starvation

And what are her children

[fading lintel]

When rex is coming out?

[neon wolf]

not really the place to ask, and i would recommend checking out rule 10 #rules-and-info

[acoustic osprey]

if she died

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-bird-rain-beautiful-gif-18429868

[low scarab]

Well legacy lore she died right

[acoustic osprey]

there's like one Wiki mention of it.
But no hard confirmation- just speculation

presumably due to Matriarch growing "so big" it starved

basically it just Hypered itself

[low scarab]

I thought they specifically said the matriarch didn’t die due to starvation

[acoustic osprey]

there has never been talk of Matriarch talking
unless it's from a Don stream

in which no clips exist
and I cannot find a good source from here

[low scarab]

That would make sense

Idk where I got that information from unless someone told me on here

Or maybe it was in one of those old isle lore explanation videos

That dude who talked abt strains and stuff when they were first added

[lethal moat]

It go big enough that evolving only hurt it, so the project was terminated

[lethal moat]

In tapwing’s lore anyway

Once you get this big, evolving more secondary limbs becomes unnecessary

[iron anchor]

does it though

having big limbs for traversal and small limbs for analyzing the ground

[lethal moat]

It lived in water at this point, but tapwing’s lore said it was trying to grow additional torsos and it was getting in the way of the functionality

[low scarab]

Which maaaaaaaybe on some off chance some of tapwings lore is official

[honest sierra]

Wait what is the matriarch?

Never heard of this creature before

[pale marsh]

Something from old lore
Basically an ever changing organism
Always taking in new material (biomass probably) and growing and evolving into new forms

Created by AE tho I don't remember if it's considered a failure or not by AE

[iron anchor]

sounds like godzilla

more specifically shin godzilla

[pale marsh]

A little bit
But less radiation and more gray goo knock off I suppose

[lofty flicker]

Wtf is that

[acoustic osprey]

do we have a statement on such

https://twitter.com/00001Trojan/status/1214710055586557952

Trojan Terminal (@00001Trojan)

Signal pulse charged, attempting first contact with @AEOlympusTransm. Beginning message: Olympus operators, can you hear us?

Twitter · Jan 8, 2020, 12:47 AM

[lethal moat]

The unofficial art for the matriarch

[lethal moat]

Anything I have on specifics of the matriarch is from the description section of tapwing’s deviantart

So it’s sketchy at best

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-mood-listening-to-music-headphones-gif-20933203

[lethal moat]

I’m praying to the replicator that what we know is mostly true so far, and that we get new information on it soon

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[icy onyx]

Have the devs said anything about Tap's fan made stuff? Surely someone has asked before about the canonization of some of Tap's work since they joined the team

[lethal moat]

The stuff that we have that is canon on the matriarch: It exists, it evolves as it grows, and it starts smol and ends big

[acoustic osprey]

practically everything from Tap isn't canon unless posted by the devs here

[lethal moat]

I’ll add asking about Tapwing’s matriarch lore to the list

[acoustic osprey]

so Drone Quetz: exists
but Tap blurb from her original post: not canon till stated

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[icy onyx]

Cool cool. I figured most of the stuff tap made wasn't Canon but wanted to make sure, or if any devs mentioned it

[lethal moat]

I remain fully convinced that the matriarch will be one of the things big enough to pin a fully grown rex

[acoustic osprey]

i don't doubt that

[icy onyx]

Yeah, other than apex H-types I can see it.

[lethal moat]

Type-N is also a bit larger than normal

So that is a small possibility

[pale marsh]

Honestly
I'd prefwr matriarch isn't something that appears in game outside of easter eggs or specific special events

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/say-what-now-excuse-me-gif-13138805

[pale marsh]

Yes I know rumple
Such things are heretical to say

It's just he a lot better to rare specific encounters
And not just
A thing u can encounter just going about ur dau

[lethal moat]

I think it should be significantly to harder "unlock" than anything else and have a time limit like hypers, in addition to being difficult to grow because it starts so small, but having it be playable would be great

[pale marsh]

Making matriarch anything more than effectively a cryptic ingame would rob it of a lot of it's appeal

And I'm hard against it being playable outside of mods

Strains are a stage near any dino could achieve

But (afaik) there's only one matriarch

[icy onyx]

I doubt it'll be anything normal people can obtain.

[pale marsh]

Strains can be many

But theres canonically only one matriarch (I think?)

[lethal moat]

There's actually at least two in the Tapwing lore

[acoustic osprey]

Same with Echidna and the rest

at least, not in base-game

[pale marsh]

Well that's tapwings lore
Before she was a dev

I'm not considering anything unless it's been stated by the don man

[acoustic osprey]

I'd rather see the lore entities being actual creatures in a more specialised game mode/singleplayer mode

[icy onyx]

I can see it being a thing introduced via stages. First things on the island are changed, then people will occasionally start hearing things, to eventually seeing a glimpse or shadow. Etc etc

[acoustic osprey]

Hyper/Strain dinos are great and all, fun small OP stuff
but Strain humans would only be a colossal pain for balance

[pale marsh]

Matriarch is whole character itself
Not a general category of many things, like strains

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-heresy-that-is-heresy-thats-hairesy-dr-squatch-thats-heresy-dr-squatch-heresy-gif-17639789

[acoustic osprey]

Eyeless' are truly the limit

[pale marsh]

I could probably brain storm an idea where human strains could work

But lesser ones
Not on the level of echidna or the Colossus

[acoustic osprey]

well, that's in reference to them

them being strained humans
not just one off things

knowing that Reaper was made 12 times

[pale marsh]

True enough

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-mcgill-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-power-meter-angry-gif-2312893932004997744

[lethal moat]

I think they should be something that is temporarily playabe when you are xploring and go "UH OH, I JUST UNLOCKED TARTARUS

[pale marsh]

I'd permit
Human strains or matriarch being present Ingame
Under specific circumstances

[acoustic osprey]

that's why I'd imagine them more in specific a gamemode for Official servers
or a singleplayer
or a very rare and niche LTM

[lethal moat]

I think there should be time limits on anything more powerful than an apex

[acoustic osprey]

in which, the players by playing the LTM can literally change the course of Lore 🙂 👍

[pale marsh]

Like
If the end goal of gen1 was to free whatever is in Tartarus (assuming it's a containment facility)
And it could be randomized between the human strains or the matriarch
And result in a server wipe or something

[acoustic osprey]

literal "Human v Dino ||strained/mutated|| LTM"

[pale marsh]

(remind me what LTM is?)

[lethal moat]

There is know way to know and me continuing to talk about this will get me to start a crusade in the name of my sugar momma, so I'm gonna dip for now

[acoustic osprey]

limited time mode / event

[pale marsh]

OH

[acoustic osprey]

practically a one time thing
Something I would 100% vouch for

[pale marsh]

Im dumbz that should've been obvious

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rhett-and-link-nerd-vs-geek-rap-battle-store-glasses-gif-17402325

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[pale marsh]

But yes
Such significant aspects of lore such as the boys

Should he very rare if at all present in the game

[acoustic osprey]

Quite so.
Practically what Kissen said when asked about Colossus being in-game

[pale marsh]

I'd be fine if some things just don't even appear at all

[acoustic osprey]

my limit is Eyeless / Akin to it's size and abilities

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[pale marsh]

They don't need to
Something as formless as the matriarch has more to gain from not being seen anyway

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as it's "lore"
and not "linear-story"

We don't need to see everything in-game

[acoustic osprey]

more scare factor if you don't know what it is/looks like

[pale marsh]

What if like
Different eyeless variants that are essentially very watered down strains?

[acoustic osprey]

If Eyeless are "Lower-level" Neuros

[pale marsh]

Mhm
Fear of the unknown doesn't work if it's known

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't mind strain variants of Eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

but that depends on what Eyeless is truly

especially seeing as Don is still in the 50/50 on what they are/design

[pale marsh]

I personally expect them to just be replicator/echidnas personal ideal gen1s in lore atleast

[acoustic osprey]

mm

in legacy lore, for myself, practically the same

as seeing
Echidna = Mother of them ||Tribals / Cannibals / Eyeless||
Replicator = Worshiped by them

I presumed it would be akin to becoming a "Royal Guard" if you became an Eyeless

[pale marsh]

Makes me wonder the relationship between replicator and echidna?

[acoustic osprey]

not in terms of gameplay
but more so just their connection with Echidna (Eyeless)

[acoustic osprey]

has to be relatively friendly

[pale marsh]

I liked the idea of like
The gen1 think of as some form of ascension or perfect form

[acoustic osprey]

maybe not true "Girl boss sisters"

it also depends on what each of them want
seeing as they're quite powerful in their own regard respectfully

[pale marsh]

Im of the persuasion that echidna is able to control the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

i'd be 50/50 on that
seeing The Replicator is an AI, not just machine

[pale marsh]

Maybe thru some Nuero brain signal electric mumbo jumbo it could manipulate any technology with enough practice

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

at least, in my question on what Echidna's role was to Don
She was described as "Carrier"

[pale marsh]

It's be an interesting idea and could explain why the replicator an AI of unknown nature seems to care about gen1

Carrier eh? He say anything like that about other characters?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1015830201483145357/Screenshot_20220904_134504.jpg?ex=651c3759&is=651ae5d9&hm=b21689db7ff4f5096c54544d79d83dc43ed0006cb48f218f07bf7abee7ddf1d4&

[pale marsh]

Good ol dondi
Specific enough to mean a lot
Vague enough to mean absolutely nothing

[low scarab]

wise words

[low scarab]

also can you send the context of that message

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as they sacrifice things for her

I presume Gen1, from Legacy lore being known to be practically mentally unstable about the good old life and sanity, became easily controllable
You could play a theology card here and say "Man finds meaning through God/Faith"
in which they seem to praise her to that level- having an altar(s) for her

So, definitely the "Hands of The Replicator"
Being, i presume, more mind than body

[acoustic osprey]

sure thing

[pale marsh]

Simplest way I can put my idea is
Echidna remote controlling the replicator so it can influence her "children" from afar
Wherever she is (Tartarus??)

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message
for that

and i'll find the original CARRIER gif messages

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-x-charles-xavier-multiverse-of-madness-x-men-thinking-gif-26270299

I do want to see more of Neuros side of "what they can do"
as i'm still 50/50 on the idea of EMPs and Weather control

but that depends on what Neuros truly are

[pale marsh]

I like the idea of messing with tech

I'll, give my pseudo science reasonint in a bit

[acoustic osprey]

Like, Hypers are easy to explain
"Hyper + Endocrine system" -> Larger due to more hormones
Tissoplastic - "Tissue / plastic" -> "Skin regen"

Neuro? Brain / Nerves

[pale marsh]

Ok so
Imagine nueros are telepathic by being able to sense the electric signals in the brains of others, and that they are Able to use their own signals to send small electric signals thru the air and into heads of other organisms and control their brains remotely

Now

Imaging stretching that ability to anything that uses electric signals to function, like machines or AI?

It'd just be a matter of learning that "language"

If that is incoherent I apologize
Shift at work isn't over yet and I'm tired

[acoustic osprey]

electron controller practically

[pale marsh]

Basically yea

A universal remote
But It controls ur brain and computers

And thru that they the powerful ones like echidna can assume direct control

[acoustic osprey]

mental strength over physical strength

[pale marsh]

And lesser neuros like the dinos
Would simply cause a lot of interference cuz all the brain activity

They'd have all the brain power
But little actual higher reasoning

(now I wanna know if u can teach a Nuero dino to understand language and such)

What specific stuff nueros will do in game is a different matter tho

[acoustic osprey]

I guess them being literally eyeless is that they can detect (feel/see) EMFs/radiation differently
where they feel, maybe not visible light, microwaves / akin to whatever technology emits

[pale marsh]

The electro sense sharks have

But juiced up

[acoustic osprey]

how do they work?

[pale marsh]

Id have to Google that

[acoustic osprey]

and would that be more effective due to them being in water?

however, Eyeless feeling radiation like Bluetooth or electronic signal pulses, etc
would be incredibly OP

far more than you'd imagine by looking at it

[pale marsh]

It literally just detects electric fields
Like those generated from a fishes heartbeat

[acoustic osprey]

practically hyper echo location
without the sound part

[pale marsh]

Sorta

[acoustic osprey]

i guess the only way to stop an Neuro, if that is how it can see things
is being in a room full of electricity?

[pale marsh]

The fields generated by devices or the nerves and such in an animal would all be detecable depending on how strong the sense is

How id implement that in game
Is probably proximity/movement based vision

[acoustic osprey]

practically what i'd imagine actual Eyeless getting, but more so sound (due to movement) in that department for Eyeless

[pale marsh]

Both are fine for me
Both have their slightly different implications that I think make the 2 pretty even

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[bronze zodiac]

Like a disease or maybe a carrier in the genetic way

The name is echidna the mother of monsters do the genetic way makes more scene

[acoustic osprey]

Mother of Cannibals

[bronze zodiac]

Honestly there's a good chance that early gen ones reproduced with the echidna if there genetics allowed it I could be wrong I am tired

[bronze zodiac]

But the name is a reference to the mother of monsters echidna of greek myth

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

Watch Echidna be referring to an specific AE scientist

[acoustic osprey]

It's an actual creature

hasn't changed much since Vega time

[icy onyx]

OH that thing is still canon?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

she still is

[unborn atlas]

Same with the colossus and reaper

[acoustic osprey]

aye, the funny trinity

[icy onyx]

Wasn't always a fan of their designs but atleast their lore relevancy is still around still

[acoustic osprey]

one or two by Tap unofficially

[bronze zodiac]

You think maybe a gen one becoming a eyeless is uncommon or do all gen one become a eyeless at a certain point of there lifespan

[acoustic osprey]

but one, by Vega, that was official

[acoustic osprey]

it's a bit weird/not really possible with an Eyeless being a literal Elder Tribal
Unless Tribals literally lose their eyes and their head smoothens the bump out

I'd say more so relatively uncommon
but, like being a proper "Elder", you have to "become it"

but, this so being inclined with doing things for The Replicator and/or Echidna

[bronze zodiac]

I just have another thought with the talk of echidna I remembered that colossus is in Tartarus correct and colossus is a type h is colossus still alive and what could it be eating if I remember colossus is large even for a type h what is it eating

[acoustic osprey]

we don't know what it's in Tartarus in Evrima atm

[pale marsh]

assuming tartarus is a containment facility, and colosussus is alive an held there, id asuume its either held in stasis, or, maybe its considered a perfected hyper, and doesnt need to eat as much, probably not but its an idea

[acoustic osprey]

i'd say more so Legacy Tartarus

a lab

technically still a containment facility, holding whatever they make

[steel summit]

fun fact about Tartarus

tartarus = part of isle lore

[icy onyx]

thank god. i was worried there for a second

[lethal moat]

My personal theory is that the hexadome is the main entrance to tartarus

[icy onyx]

Theory I had about them is theyre being used for controlled enviroments

[lethal moat]

Right, I can see that, but the hexadome/aviary is significantly massive enough that I can see it being a big centerpeice in upcoming lore

[steel summit]

that would make sense

[lethal moat]

Multiple domes, multiple purposes is my current stance

[acoustic osprey]

come right down

[acoustic osprey]

I would call the Hexadome less an aviary
and more so the rounder (smaller) domes the more "aviaries"

[acoustic osprey]

a place the funny Matriarch was made in

[steel summit]

also part of isle lore, believe it or not

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-that-actually-is-pretty-funny-gif-24359405

[lethal moat]

Looked over the devblog, hexadome is just over 15 km at it's longest length

[steel summit]

that is pretty big

[lethal moat]

Matriarch my beloved. Isaac knows how to keep me invested in a conversation

[steel summit]

matriarch = creature

[lethal moat]

I wonder how much is containment space and how much is a labyrinth of human hallways and rooms

[steel summit]

replicator = ???

[steel summit]

im guessing if Winters's theory is true it would be 90% containment space and 10% human hallways and rooms, but idk

[lethal moat]

All of you guys in the lore server ready to explore a building the size of a city, checking every single room and recording everything we find?

[acoustic osprey]

No, that's Gateway

[steel summit]

size of a city is an overstament but yeah

[lethal moat]

re-looked at devblog and you're right, just looked at it weird thank god

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, it's a weird sentence in terms of grammar. Being that Vis is not natively english speaking

[steel summit]

when you think about Gateway is actually a very small island

[lethal moat]

Alright, from what we've seen on dondi's stream, that hexadome is about the size of a city block then, forgive me for my stupidity, it is very early

[steel summit]

the hexadome is still massive though, maybe even 1 km^2

[acoustic osprey]

you could approximately find how large the Hexadome is by using one image from Don and the map image of Gateway

[lethal moat]

You guys ready to spend 6+ hours straight combing through that building when it is opened after gateway's launch?

[steel summit]

not that small ok, but still small yeah

[acoustic osprey]

a solid island, practically

[steel summit]

nice, sadly im not intelligent

[steel summit]

an island, but not a BIG island

[acoustic osprey]

this is Earth to scale with Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

Wow thanks

[acoustic osprey]

no worries!

can you find it

it's technically a bit larger than it should be

[lethal moat]

Right there south of timbuktwo

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[steel summit]

gateway is around the length of the island i live on actually

[lethal moat]

There are length markers on the ground in the video, I'll try to get a guestimate

[modern rover]

how many domes you got

[steel summit]

a little shorter but around that size

[lethal moat]

I'm going to guess 3 biodomes when gateway is released

[acoustic osprey]

i believe from Don stream
we saw one near the Trumpet cue (same dome)

and Hexadome (infront of K15 cliff)

[lethal moat]

My current guestimate puts the hexadome at about 1 km by 1 km, by comparing it to the smaller building near it and measuring out that length to be about 80ish meters

[steel summit]

so the same as my hastily made estimate then "1km^2"

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[steel summit]

seems i can be "smart" sometimes when im dumb then

[lethal moat]

https://youtu.be/sMM9ZWVUIdI?t=1762 Here's what I'm using if you want to try to get a closer guess

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[lethal moat]

Wait, we only saw one panel of 6 sides, so my guess is going to be 1.75-2 km from corner to opposite corner, with a total area of around 3km^2

Not counting however many verticle layers there are within the structure

[steel summit]

Makes more sense

[lethal moat]

This thing is going to be visible from a majority of gateway

[steel summit]

But didnt don say something that the domes and stuff wouldnt be explorable in the next few updates atleast

[acoustic osprey]

yes, the next update, the domes won't be accessible

[lethal moat]

Yeah, won't be accessible upon release of gateway

[steel summit]

Thought so, maybe with admin mode though

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[lethal moat]

won't stop me from trying though

[modern rover]

how have i never seen this what

[acoustic osprey]

https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/42b6b1baf90f766edc34b73765f5925f-jpg.jpg

[steel summit]

Big building

[steel summit]

Still big building

[acoustic osprey]

it's from one of his lives where a lot of people forgot he was doing such

[lethal moat]

We also have concept art of the unloading areas, so we know there are some plaths big enough for cars inside the dome, wonder how common vehicles will be

[acoustic osprey]

very far away

[steel summit]

Yeah, still big though

[acoustic osprey]

not disagreeing with you
VERY large

[lethal moat]

You can see the mountain for scale in front of it

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/52886e99b10ef80df0c916a213135f2e

despite the dome in the front is taking a bit of space on the screen

[steel summit]

Yeah, larger than the sitting herrera when that far away

[acoustic osprey]

the hexadome still takes quite a proportionate amount of space as well
despite being very very far away

[acoustic osprey]

lol, might be

[steel summit]

We dont see its entirety and from what we see it looks to be around that size whenthat far away

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[steel summit]

Maybe yeah, but anyways, Hexadome is

Big

[lethal moat]

We know of at least threw different ways to enter the hexadome, possibly much more if GUTS and the monorail are an option

We know about the water entrances, a unloading dock for semi-truck style vehicles, and personell entrances near those docks

[steel summit]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

The way the cages are built and the size of the trucks makes me wonder what the benefits to capturing dinosaurs are going to be, like do you get payed by AE for more supplies, the more important stuff you capture, the better the payout? And what of the difference between capturing live dinos and dead ones, what possible benefits other than behavioral studies, harvesting something they produce, or getting information from something within the dinosaur?

[acoustic osprey]

none

as you won't be able to.
In which I hope it stays that way

capturing dinos just allows for a painful tedium to exist for players

[lethal moat]

Unless capturing the dino forces out the player as if they'd killed it, and you deal with an ai from then on

[sour rivet]

Capturing AI 🔛🔝

[acoustic osprey]

which just sounds extremely tedious and extremely annoying

[sour rivet]

Keep the capturing element but instead of capturing a player you’ll capture an AI

[lethal moat]

I'm just wondering what the unloading sections are for, if not dinosaurs, supplies from the ocean docks traveling to the domes?

[acoustic osprey]

ok but how

[sour rivet]

Tranq darts

[acoustic osprey]

no, how would you know it's an AI

[sour rivet]

Per Radar or smh

[acoustic osprey]

A bit lore breaking

[acoustic osprey]

It'll likely be like the Trinity Strains
there in lore
but not truly in game (in this sense for the cages, not usable)

[sour rivet]

Big scawwy AI can go and cry itself too sleep those dinosaurs will be tracked down !

[lethal moat]

You do as you would to a player, but once the dino is knocked out, it would transfer the player to the respawn screen and the dino is knocked out, when it is put in a cage, it's an ai and then it does it's own thing, Idk, just shooting out thought

[modern rover]

i hate AI dinos so having exclusively AI-based capture missions would literally be a nightmare for me

essentially just a mission that involves you never interacting with players and doing what is essentially a glorified escort mission

[sour rivet]

Capturing alive players would be tedious though if I’m being honest

[modern rover]

who is going to protect an AI that no human cares about

capturing in general is just bad

[acoustic osprey]

in which you're actively trying to differeniate AI from player

[lethal moat]

No idea how it would work, just think having capture over kill for missions would be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, we know Humans won't be hunters

they're no longer mercenaries in essence

[modern rover]

i would rather repair missions

[sour rivet]

Indeed. What will their objectives be though ? Intel gathering and document capture ?

[lethal moat]

I wAnT tO kNoW wHaT tHe PuRpOsE tO rEcApTuRe ThE iSlAnD iS

[acoustic osprey]

this falls into the territory of the game where I do not like

[modern rover]

repairing radio towers to get communications online, repairing generators to ensure power, etc

gen 2 should want to avoid the eye of the dinosaurs, not go out guns blazing

[acoustic osprey]

as it truly sounds boring to just "repair and fix" as a fundamental gameplay loop

[modern rover]

egg stealing is a much better way of achieving your goal

it's no more offensive than an oviraptor

[sour rivet]

True that’s a smart way to gather whatever is needed

[modern rover]

it also necessitates player interaction and counterplay

and can easily have lore justification

[lethal moat]

But then why the big cages

[modern rover]

because they look cool

[acoustic osprey]

^ literally

[modern rover]

worldbuilding and whatnot

it's been stated they won't have any ingame functionality

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bartlett-west-wing-head-desk-gif-6012433

[acoustic osprey]

they're just a lore asset

AE would've used to transport dinos

[lethal moat]

But why transport dinos

[modern rover]

they exist for worldbuilding and to look cool

the devs have literally said the best way to use them is as a nesting spot or a place for a wrestling match

[modern rover]

because the island used to be operational

and they were running experiments to make strains and whatnot

[acoustic osprey]

"X_ASSET_GEN1UTAHx12" needs to be taken from "GATEWAY" to "AE-001"

[modern rover]

which means they need assets

[lethal moat]

But why wait until they were big

[modern rover]

because making a juvi strain rex probably won't be as productive

[acoustic osprey]

Strains
Or certain RnD needing only adults

[modern rover]

^

[lethal moat]

I'm chasing myself in a circular argument, I need another lore drop, I'm not an addict, you're an addict

[modern rover]

it's not overly complex

[acoustic osprey]

like if "X" Map has a certain "RnD lab"
and "Y" map has a certain "Z" creature that "X" map doesn't have

then "Y" Map has to transport the "Z" creature to "X" map

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-john-cleese-mr-praline-and-so-on-so-on-gif-4613775

[lethal moat]

Then why not raise the dinosaur at that site

[sour rivet]

How many human classes will there be ? Tribals, Gen 1 & 2 and Mercs ? Or are Mercs Gen 1 & 2s ?

[acoustic osprey]

the RnD lab might've been new
Or, because there is only one known Tartarus facility.

You can't have everything in one place

[modern rover]

would you rather allow the animal to raise itself by roaming around your giant privately owned island and eating/surviving to its hearts content, ensuring they're the strongest and healthiest specimen, or would you rather a battery rex

[acoustic osprey]

Mercs = Gen2s

[modern rover]

mercs also aren't the official name anymore

[acoustic osprey]

But, we know there are Gen 1s and Gen2s as the only basal human playables

Eyeless might be akin to getting a Strain

so, 2 upfront
and an extra 1 behind

[sour rivet]

Ohhh ok interesting… I had an idea regarding intelligence theft since Apollo resembles the SCP Foundation a little.

Perhaps having a para military group that try’s to extract intel from Apollo to gather said knowledge for warfare usage. They would simply start a Raid try to extract as much intel as possible and exit. They would of course be enemy’s with pretty much everything though their goal isn’t to kill everyone but simply extract. Would that fit into the lore or is it too far fetched to have another human group in the Isle ?

[modern rover]

a military group wouldn't likely be privvy to what they're doing

and if they were, the applications of most of these animals are limited at best in war

hypers die from starvation and are purely melee, so once you see it, you can just... leave

neuros can shut down technology, but any physical attack would likely shred it due to its fragile physical form

tissos are stealthy, sure, but radar could easily pick it up, and being smaller, it'd die at the first attack from a high-power military weapon

[lethal moat]

I very much doubt anything military related

[sour rivet]

More of a small grounds usage in order to clear up buildings or to get a edge on gen modified humans

[lethal moat]

You can't really control them is the main issue

[sour rivet]

The idea behind that is to apply said effects on humans to achieve superior soldiers that won’t die even if they get shot at

[modern rover]

the idea of Apollo's research is human application

the issue is strains are mostly fatal to the recipient

they're supposed to be used as medicine, yet they kill and heavily mutate the recipient

both of which is bad for commercial use

[sour rivet]

Exactly and they would try to use these effects for the bettering of humanity whilst that mili group would use it for battle

[modern rover]

except that would imply that the military group would be aware of this research. It also just feels kinda... generic

like it's literally just The Isle Chaos Insurgency

[lethal moat]

We know dinosaurs are a very secretive part of the apollo company

[acoustic osprey]

Perhaps having a para military group that try’s to extract intel from Apollo

you literally reverse rolled Operation Inferno

[sour rivet]

How secretive can they be when they are an internationally known cooperation that holds extinct animals on an island (that also freely roam said island)

[sour rivet]

Operation Inferno ?

[acoustic osprey]

from what we know from Don
roughly 90% is shown
and 10% is easily hidden (that 10% being more grey/darker things)

[modern rover]

we're only seeing a fraction of Apollo's work in The Isle

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[modern rover]

Apollo's public side is far more mundane

A medicinal company that helps people

[acoustic osprey]

not even medicinal

Just a general franchised company
with multiple subsidiaries

[modern rover]

Yea, exactly

[sour rivet]

Like Nestle

[acoustic osprey]

such as a Pharmaceutical company
bio-engineering
etc

[lethal moat]

Old Legacy stuff where they stole assets including Type-M and Quetz, but it's heavily linked to Primal Carnage an no longer canon

[modern rover]

Type-M is also bad so :)

[sour rivet]

Sad life

[lethal moat]

Speaking of, adding Operation Inferno to the lore graveyard in the doc, thanks for reminding me

[acoustic osprey]

in old lore
It's Apollo, through Lawrence Cater, stealing and taking Phoenix Int.'s asses

In which things, such as PI's Rex died (the same rex in PCE)

[acoustic osprey]

I much more prefer The Matriarch being an amalgamation of all three strains
then a watered down Hyper

[lethal moat]

YES

[modern rover]

Matriach is a lot cooler that way, yea

[acoustic osprey]

and, she seems more flawed
rather than Magna's just being Hypers with no downsides

[sour rivet]

Do we have art for the matriarch

[lethal moat]

More power to the matriarch, make her the weapon for the replicator to weild as it pleases

[lethal moat]

Unofficial art

[sour rivet]

I need it so badly

[lethal moat]

Bet

[acoustic osprey]

nothing official

[sour rivet]

So there are many different versions… they all seem to be of the slimmer side though and capable of flight it would seem (to some degree)

[lethal moat]

I'm showing you it's growth

[sour rivet]

Wait so that’s one creature ?

[lethal moat]

Unofficial of course and it would be different for each one

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it's whole thing is that it evolves as it grows

[sour rivet]

Wth isn’t it capable of growing almost infinitely ?

[acoustic osprey]

it decays practically

can't support such

[lethal moat]

It keeps evolving to the point it's evolutions only take away from it's effectivness

[sour rivet]

Quite a miserable life isn’t it ?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[sour rivet]

Is it sentient orrrr ?

[lethal moat]

Yep, but there are still 2 more stages to show you

[acoustic osprey]

can't even hold it's own weight in it's final form

literally being dubbed "Typhoeus"

[sour rivet]

Ok i didn’t note it before but the Art looks GORGEOUS

[lethal moat]

Here is stage 5, between the rex and the one isaac showed

Tapwing is a good artist

[muted hill]

is it cannoncially called that in its final form/cant hold its own weight? or is it just from the unofficial stuff?

[acoustic osprey]

it's not canon

[muted hill]

aight

[acoustic osprey]

all just stuff Tap made about her own unofficial designs of Matriarch

[lethal moat]

It's all unofficial, what we know officially is that it exists and it starts small, grows big, and evolves as it grows

[muted hill]

did we ever get more on "the primordial" or island walker?

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing

[lethal moat]

Not yet

[muted hill]

pain

[lethal moat]

I do have a size comparison for the unofficial art though

[acoustic osprey]

that is unless there existed some mention in OLD streams
which no longer exist

[lethal moat]

This is my smaller end of the scale for my size comparison

Most stuff we have regarding strains in evrima is unofficial other than the new hyperendocrine art

[acoustic osprey]

or old Vega art

[lethal moat]

It's very sad

What I wouldn't mind seeing is any concept art or information on the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[lethal moat]

Always want to know more about the matriarch and replicator. (:

[hallow willow]

Patriach

[iron anchor]

i see now why it’s your favorite, i didn’t see this concept art and the one above it

i also didn’t realize it evolves between each form

[lethal moat]

The living embodiment of a strain... truly a beautiful creature

[iron anchor]

also you can see a bunch of tiny useless limbs just hanging off of everywhere

[lethal moat]

Yeah, thats when it began evolving to it's own detriment in Tapwing's lore, if you check out the deviantart descriptions, it gives some interesting details that aren't confirmed to be canon

[iron anchor]

also the final form has those tiny legs that look like they were almost cut off

[lethal moat]

Yeah, and looking at the second to last form makes me realize that I did make my size comparison a bit small

[iron anchor]

yeah

it shows a scene where it’s attacking a utah?

[lethal moat]

This one where it shows it's face the size of a suchomimus

[iron anchor]

what happened in the final phase

[lethal moat]

It was posted out of order

[iron anchor]

it looked like it was heading towards the right direction, staying in water to support its weight, but then it grew wings?

ye the croc and then the dragon right

[strange shell]

The "wings" are rather giant flippers

[lethal moat]

Not sure those are wings, way too small, I think it's like a manta ray flap thing to swim more efficiently? Not sure, doesn't matter lore-wise because it's not official lol

[iron anchor]

why would flippers bend forward

[lethal moat]

Because it was an evolution of the arm which faced that way earlier

[iron anchor]

yeah

i guess it is evolving to its detriment

[lethal moat]

Yeah, stage 6 is shortly before they terminated it

[iron anchor]

also the bottom right of the final phase art, is that a whale mouth

there’s 2 matriarchs right? the one in captivity that they killed and the one in the wild

also it does the same evolution path each time?

[lethal moat]

The matriarch evolved for filter feeding, didn't notice that, good catch

I think it would be different every time maybe? We don't know yet, but yeah, the one in captivity never evolved past stage 2

[iron anchor]

which one did they terminate at stage 6?

[lethal moat]

Only the wild one, the captive one stopped evolving after stage 2

[iron anchor]

oh so they killed both

[lethal moat]

Probably, unless the just held the one in captivity

Once again, I would like to press that this is unconfirmed lore

[iron anchor]

tragic time for matriarch fans

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-scar-no-idea-gif-7805966

[sour rivet]

Shin Godzilla related to the matriarch confirmed ?!

[lethal moat]

Don’t know enough about shin Godzilla, ngl, but matriarch club is pretty rad dude, you should like, join it or something, we’ve got byproducts of strains that turn murder machines into big murder machines.

[iron anchor]

shin godzilla really sounds like matriarch

evolving too fast that it causes detriment to the creature

and if you follow the crazy man lore then shin godzilla turns into the universe

[lethal moat]

But yeah, replicator and matriarch stuff are up first for things I want to ask, followed up by gen 2 culture stuff, the primordial and islandwalker

[iron anchor]

i need to play as a matriarch mosquito

[sour rivet]

For sure sign me up. Oh and is there a patriarch ?

[lethal moat]

Not that we’re aware of

The only thing that I could think of something deserving the name would be the replicator, but I think the matriarch is 100% it’s own standalone title

[inner maple]

There is a story behind the name "gateway"?

[lethal moat]

It’s an island used for transferring things to other locations, whether that be other islands or Tartarus really depends on who you ask

[inner maple]

Uuh ok

[low scarab]

There is a place called Tartarus where big spookies are kept imprisoned and gateway is the “gateway” to Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

less so imprisoned, in Legacy, more so a creating laboratory

[low scarab]

Interesting ok

[acoustic osprey]

Do you want the original lore behind Gateway?
Evrima's lore on Gateway?

Or both?

[low scarab]

This is lore theories we don’t ask what lore they want we just give all of it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gosling-sad-crying-gif-17987081

[lethal moat]

The isle lore is very much an iceburg that goes from: funny dinosaur game, to artificial intelligence designing meat puppets to turn into monsters to avoid legal trouble

[iron anchor]

Lol

[bronze zodiac]

Creating monsters for the sake of medicine

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[pale marsh]

creating meat machines, for,, uh, reasons

[heady crag]

beautiful

[low scarab]

Lol

[lethal moat]

I did some math, if we assume that the domes are 90% containment, 10% human space, and we have the hexadome and two smaller domes about half the size of the hexadome, that leaves about .4 km^2 worth of human space to explore inside the domes alone, along with any other bases or structures that we don’t know about yet.

[bronze zodiac]

I imagine the human space will consist of multiple viewing areas and a research area

[lethal moat]

Well we know about the locations here

So we know there is lodging, recreation, viewing platforms, and various different labs

[young sphinx]

Where’s my daily dose of LOOORREE

[lethal moat]

Bet, i'll give you some in like 5 min

[young sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-stick-man-table-flip-look-at-you-9gag-gif-26257332

[lethal moat]

Lore 1, these lights are operated via radio, they aren't wired, so those transmitter stations are really, really important

Lore 2, found jaws-of-death looking things that I hadn't noticed before

Lore 3, all the barrels you see on the island is isopropyl alcohol, mainly used in disinfectant, which makes me wonder if there was some sort of contagian on the islans that would affect humans

[iron anchor]

me when the matriarch instead turns into a super virus

[lethal moat]

I'm thinking something made the island inhabitable for humans that isn't a massive organism, I think it's seperate from the matriarch because she's too big, but maybe the replicator created some sort of disease to defend itself

[iron anchor]

why does the matriarch have to grow bigger and bigger

what if it spreads hyper evolving bacteria everywhere it goes

idk

[lethal moat]

It's the perfect organism and it grows to be the top of the food chain, it might do that, we don't know enough

[iron anchor]

fair enough

[strange shell]

Considering the matriarch literally outgrows itself to the point of no longer being able to maintain its physical frame, I wouldn't call it a "perfect" organism

[lethal moat]

SHHHHHHHH

[strange shell]

It's good at killing things and growing to humongous sizes, sure, but it also has some major flaws

[lethal moat]

It evolves as it grows to suit it's environment, but it isn't immortal and it can't evolve backwards

It also can't stop evolving, which it it's main flaw

[strange shell]

Perfect organisms already exist. They have a very sturdy carapace, 6 legs, two powerful claws, and can live in water as well as out in the air
And most of them fit in a hand

[lethal moat]

Horseshoe crab isn't as pretty as the matriarch tho, the main attraction for the matriarch for me is just "screw it, I'm bored, water now."

[strange shell]

More like "halp I can't walk anymore I'm too fat I need to go in water"

[lethal moat]

We can see that it can walk out of water in the last form, and it's also a filter feeder, something I didn't notice until last night, but this is all unofficial concepts soo

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kitty-pet-gif-16661939

[strange shell]

About that
It definitely isn't a filter feeder
The point of filter feeding is that your mouth isn't open so you don't swallow things you don't want
I rather see it as a failed attempt at gaining a new adaptation (possibly because the matriarch mutates into what it eats, and it ate a whale)

[lethal moat]

That's a very good point

[rapid chasm]

independent grid

since of the power box

[rapid chasm]

could prob be used for dinosaur wounds

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[hoary scroll]

@ionic sable bro stole the logo

[low scarab]

Fr though

[lethal moat]

I’m really leaning toward’s gen 2’s presence on the island as an experiment in addition to recapturing the island, because the more I look at stuff, the more I see cheap mass produced stuff, and it would fit with gameplay

Like, if you really cared, you would give this guy something a little stronger than a rubber dingy

[pale marsh]

Tbf an inflatable boat is easier to prepare and carry around for an expedition

[rapid chasm]

can be made smaller + it can fit into smaller areas

bro is not gonna drag a tin motorized boat

[modern rover]

it also just makes no sense the concept that they are "mercs"

if you wanted something done with this abandoned-ass island full of dinos, you wouldn't send in a handful of guys without a goddamn gun and say "figure it out when you get there"

because a mercenary has the ability to say "no that job sucks ass" and not take it

if you wanted a job done which pertains to literal goddamn dinosaurs, you'd give them the equipment to do it

[steel summit]

you are correct, gen 2's arent mercenaries, calling them mercs is outdated and not correct anymore

[acoustic osprey]

You are always correct
As it is correct about being correct on Gen2s not being Mercs
Albeit, originally being Mercenaries. Which makes the term outdated, in which you are correct

[strange shell]

They agreed to the job because they really wanted to see the dinos

And none of them regretted anything.
Not even Jim

[lethal moat]

They didn’t get a choice, they were literally made for this

[ionic sable]

https://tenor.com/view/rhett-and-link-nerd-vs-geek-rap-battle-store-glasses-gif-17402325

[acoustic osprey]

😊

[native grotto]

Cool how there is a theorie channel on the dc for the game where the creators of the lore are hahahaha

[icy onyx]

[lethal moat]

[unique tiger]

D:

[lethal moat]

There's actually a ton of lore in this game already and we've barely scratched the surface

[icy onyx]

lore basics?

where can i read it

gateway lore?

[fallow harbor]

check pins

[snow jasper]

Oh lore gods, Please bless us with a driblet of lore today

[lethal moat]

Checking the lore theories channel is like the first sip in of coffee if you ignore the fact that it’s three in the afternoon

[pure lodge]

i wouldnt get too invested since it's likely they'll ret-con the lore again

[icy onyx]

Unless we get another re-code I doubt it

[lethal moat]

The lore changes every now and again

[icy onyx]

Yeah but it's usually minor stuff it seems

[lethal moat]

Sadly

[ionic sable]

Rn stuff is just getting established.

To my knowledge there hasn't been any Evrima lore retconned.

[nocturne cosmos]

Somehow this lore is currently more confusing then fnaf

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway is probably the biggest retcon, over from legacy lore

But specifically Evrima lore? Practically everything related to Primal Carnage; in which Don still considered high up way until, from what we know, last year

Hope. trailer, etc

Stuff posted during Recode

Now, gone. Completely revised.

[ionic sable]

I categorize Evrima lore as everything past the removal of PC, as that is all original "Evrima" lore.

[acoustic osprey]

technically, technically, PC lore was well embedded with the continuation of PCG
I'd still, rather, count it in as an aspect of Evrima's beginning

albeit, I do wish to see Don's harddrive on Isles PC/PCG lore

from late 2018 into mid 2020

Sure, pointless.
But, an insight into a more wacky universe; but, the mind and world of the same creator

[ionic sable]

I mean, if it's all retconned, there wouldn't be anything necessarily wrong with him just dropping all of the lore in here right?

[icy onyx]

we must find Dondi's lore laptop

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-that-actually-is-pretty-funny-gif-24359405

if he dropped all lore we have right now (canon lore) up right before what we got 2 months ago

or, heck, everything he's every said and shown

I'd be relatively fine with it. Not like it's the first time it's happened

it would, VERY likely, deter many "casuals / regs" who joined in the past year or two

[icy onyx]

Need a proper lore Bible

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-maximus-farquaad-shrek-some-of-you-may-die-im-willing-to-sacrifice-myself-gif-16978805

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

At least, that's why we have the three documents in pinned I suppose

in which I do wonder how Don wants us to approach lore

i rather hope there's not a complete encyclopaedia on lore in-game
more so, you find out

[icy onyx]

Same. I want to find the answers

[acoustic osprey]

holding hands about stories in some games are fine.
but this world is supposed to be mysterious

heck. Don't give me the basics.

the only encyclopaedia I want is just for general general gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

lore hunting 🧑‍🌾

even if it'll take years off my belt
I'd much rather that than not hunt of the lore

[icy onyx]

Give us puzzles and encryption. Make us work for it

[lethal moat]

Find lore through world exploration pls

[acoustic osprey]

I do like the idea of "Time, species, location"

just that extra bit of difficulty
so, by chance, there could be randoms coming in randomly FINDING something

and, hopefully, they share it here and not on their own private discords

[icy onyx]

Environmental storytelling please o' please Dondi 🙏🙏🙏

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/toughguy-dance-gif-4805776

[lethal moat]

Bro, there's going to be the lore secret police devoted to hunting down rumors of the time species location lol

[acoustic osprey]

yeah Rump 👁️

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[lethal moat]

The "Thousand Life Contract" is a very intriguing song from the isle's OST, I can see stuff being sacrificed to that bop

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-aragorn-60fps-aragorn-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-18824001

[dense dove]

60fps gif

[acoustic osprey]

and multiple ghost pings

[fossil nebula]

when they thought frodo was burned with the uruk-hais

[fossil nebula]

Merry and Pippen* lmao I needa sleep

bouta have to rewatch these master pieces or read the books soon

[ionic sable]

I should still watch those. 🤔

[ancient ember]

Bro let me invite

I wanna invite my friend

[lethal moat]

What?

[ancient ember]

Nvm

[bronze zodiac]

?

[acoustic osprey]

Thanks

[lethal moat]

I am confusion

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

maybe

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-better-call-saul-season6-chuck-mcgill-always-the-same-gif-26487993

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-fuentes-fuentes-nicholas-j-fuentes-yes-unfortunately-true-gif-892099994798563994

[lethal moat]

Another week without new lore.

https://tenor.com/view/sad-eyes-helluva-boss-stolis-gif-19774454

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/someday-spongebob-maybe-gif-4686651

Been awhile since Dondi's said anything here with lore hasnt it?

[lethal moat]

It’s been a bit

[acoustic osprey]

i just don't think there's anything interesting to comment on here for him

he's been active a bit the past few weeks on #isle-discussion

but, yeah, what is there to say yet

besides, just and hope and wait for Gateway

[lethal moat]

Gonna find out why they left, or at least if it was violent hopefully

[icy onyx]

what was left behind. What secrets lay untouched

[lethal moat]

We just want to as a couple of questions

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[unborn knot]

ok so. one word. Human Strains

if the devs dont add them i will myself

[modern rover]

hyperendocrin colossus, neurotenic mastermind (or Echinda), tissoplastic reaper

[strange shell]

That's two words

[rustic shore]

ong

[lethal moat]

We know about human strains, and it’s actually mentioned specifically human, not gen 2

[lethal moat]

Also, Mr. Rex, would you like an invite to super top secret lore group server?

[modern rover]

sure i guess

[rigid coral]

sure

[acoustic osprey]

no

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[iron anchor]

why do they all have that one arm position

[modern rover]

idk its cool

[lethal moat]

P o w e r s t a n c e

[iron anchor]

colossus looks like it could effectively be a quadruped

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[acoustic osprey]

eh

maybe

[sleek temple]

Monkey

[iron anchor]

exactly

[edgy bough]

bonjour des francais

[compact dragon]

Bonjour. Please only use english within this discord as stated in our #rules-and-info

[edgy bough]

ok the isle is free

[compact dragon]

This is the wrong channel for these kind of questions, hop over to #isle-discussion with me. And no, the isle is not free to play.

[icy onyx]

[blissful forge]

you forgot about the matricarch

[modern rover]

at what point was the matriarch humanoid

he wanted human strains

[blissful forge]

well from what i understand it gets traights from what it eats.... so if it eats human

[modern rover]

i mean, it's not a human strain tho

it can be a strain that becomes a human

but it isn't a human that becomes a strain

[blissful forge]

im not even sure its a strain as much as a biologically engineered creature

but if it is a strain then... as far as i know we can neither confirm or deny it being a human strain

[wicked brook]

I’m wondering if human players if they cannibalise slowly become a monster. Would be cool

[maiden sundial]

Wait a minute

Hyperendocrines could be functionally immortal beside their insane metabolism

Hormones regulate the production of telomerase. Which allow chromosomes to keep repeating

[lethal moat]

Yep

[maiden sundial]

So if you were to shut off certain bits of their metabolism, or put them into stasis, they'd be functionally immortal as long as their DNA didn't deteriorate.

[unique tiger]

_D

[iron anchor]

could you explain that in english

[lethal moat]

Big hyper man live forever if we freeze him

[iron anchor]

you explained it in caveman which is even better

thank you

[lethal moat]

Yep

[chilly breach]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-btas-joker-penguin-two-face-gif-17319202

Killer Croc?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message

mhm

[ionic sable]

Alright.

Pretty neat.

[low scarab]

New company to find lore abt

[ionic sable]

Not really anything but a name, so it's hard to jump with, same with the others.

It's just...

Pretty neat.

[lethal moat]

So, does anybody expect to find any gen 1 stuff on gateway other than some wall paintings?

[icy onyx]

I kinda hope for atleast one or 2 structures

[acoustic osprey]

practically

just another thing, in this case a name, to add to the book of lore

[steel birch]

are they gonna bring back hypos in evrima?

[modern rover]

yes

also they're hypers, not hypos

[steel birch]

what

[modern rover]

they're called hypers

[steel birch]

why did people say hypos

[modern rover]

idk because they're wrong lol

it caught on for some reason, but that's never been their official name

[steel birch]

ah okay

are they gonna be OP

i just hate how easy they are to get like anyone can play em i wish like in path of titans theres gonna be a quest to go through to achive them

it just seems like hypers are just another dino

[modern rover]

i mean... they're bigger, stronger and better than regular animals, it more depends on their downsides. We know they starve like crazy and literally cannot sustain themselves due to how fast they starve

[modern rover]

it's been said strains will be extremely difficult to attain

[steel birch]

but in the lore they are crazily spoken of

[modern rover]

you can't spawn in as a strain, you have to earn it

[steel birch]

good

cuz i dont wanna get 720 progression points as a rex and just upgrade to it LOL

[modern rover]

i mean, progression might just be outright scrapped so

[steel birch]

i wanna go through tribal tokens or some labs to collect DNA or sumthing idk

[modern rover]

its more than likely going to require repeated lives of growing to elder and dying of old age to even see them, and then there's an entire other journey you have to take to obtain it once eligible to do so

[steel birch]

its not even for me about playing them, even seeing them as an AI would be great i just wanna see what the isle devs can come up with

[modern rover]

nah, AI strains would be super lame lol

[steel birch]

nah like not in the world

more like easter eggs or something

but tbh all these hypos, neurotenic creatures, tissoplastic whatever just kinda ruin the dinosaur game we all once knew

hypers* xd

[modern rover]

how do you make a building-sized killing machine a subtle easter egg

[modern rover]

we're getting mutant humans and guys with guns

[modern rover]

like, idk man

the "dinosaur game" has never once been illustrated as just a dinosaur game

[lethal moat]

It’s not a dinosaur simulator

[modern rover]

it's always been about the genetic/sciency side

[steel birch]

thats even worse

[modern rover]

i mean, dude, there's literal human structures all over the place on every map

[steel birch]

i mean it will work with the game just my opinion going places as a utah and seeing a big ass colossus king kong looking creature just makes me wanna close my game

[lethal moat]

But it’s not a dinosaur simulator, it’s a survival game with it’s own story, you act like this wasn’t planned

[steel birch]

oh you mean the blank black structures that give u static of apollo engineering? yea those are so cool...

[lethal moat]

And I don’t think strains are going to be very common, a rex is enough to kill almost anything, I imagine the thing that hunts the rex easily is pretty rare

[modern rover]

i mean the actual human structures you can walk inside and the colossal domes all over the upcoming map

unless we're only focusing on legacy, which is bad

[steel birch]

listen i respect all the work they are doing and the creatures and stuff im just saying that i loved sticking with the casual dinos, i just feel like everyones gonna have the hypers or the neuro guys and others and it will be an all out catastrophe

[modern rover]

it's very unlikely everyone will have them

[lethal moat]

From what we understand, it will be very difficult to get to that stage

[modern rover]

because
A: They are not very easy to obtain
B: Their own genetic makeup literally betrays them and they die shortly after existing

In-lore, there is no way to sustain a hyperendocrin, they've tried, they always die of starvation

[steel birch]

okay yea that sounds fair

[lethal moat]

And the fact that as of right now, apexes on gateway aren’t going to be playable, we don’t know how that whole system is going to work

[lethal moat]

Yeah, that sums it up

[steel birch]

also i got a question did dinos have a chip stuck inside them? cuz i heard someone say that when u press insert and see ur menu of ur bite force weight and all that lovely stuff, thats what the humans put into the dino

[modern rover]

apparently when you spawn in as a dino, you get a chip, yes. Nested dinos don't have a chip

[steel birch]

which wouldnt make sense when nesting comes in place

[modern rover]

wdym "comes in place", nesting has been in for quite a while now

[steel birch]

no i mean when nested dinos like u said dont have a chip but u can still check your stats

[icy onyx]

I always thought the whole "dinosaurs have human consciousness" was a conspiracy but Isaac said it was a thing in old lore. Don't think it is anymore

[modern rover]

that's for gameplay purposes, i dont think the chip has anything to do with your stats

[modern rover]

human consciousness is long gone

[steel birch]

ah welp

[modern rover]

that ain't a part of the dinosaur lore

[steel birch]

so one more thing that i was skeptical about where did the humans go? where they overrun and left the dinos? the cameras that take pictures (radio tower)?

[icy onyx]

We're back to the "we don't know yet" stage with a lot of the new lore

[modern rover]

the humans abandoned the island, we know that much