isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Not necessarily, when you make something from scratch, you can’t predict what it does, like a child

[pale marsh]

To be fair, we're not sure and either is possible tho i do agree with them being synthesized

[iron anchor]

from scratch? no inspiration besides the structure of the body?

[lethal moat]

They completely built their own recreation of people

As far as we know

[iron anchor]

they as in the replicator, or the ae?

[lethal moat]

Yea

*yes

[lethal moat]

Anyway, Iris, I always forget you aren’t in the other thing, what’s your opinion on Gen 1 having some sort of culture

[pale marsh]

Reinventing the wheel so to speak

[lethal moat]

That’s a good way to explain it

[pale marsh]

Gen1 absolutely have culture

Heck "tribal" IS culture

[iron anchor]

ok i guess we don’t know

[pale marsh]

However wether they have human morals is another thing

[lethal moat]

Right, they worship something, meaning there is some sort of consistent socialization, and they can build things, implying they share information and possibly work in groups

I just want to know if their culture is a consistent thing or if they only cooperate with other gen 1 when the replicator demands

I keep using the word ‘just’ when I have a list of 11 follow up questions

[pale marsh]

I personally believe even without the replicator
They have the intellectual capacity as we do, however that's mostly headcanon I will admit

Tho the replicator likely sped up their advancement slightly

Likely they would've formed groups to begin with, replicator would've jus sped up the process

[lethal moat]

That brings us back to the argument of whether or not gateway will have a temple for gen 1 upon release, or if the replicator was ever active on gateway.

[iron anchor]

they’re capable of caring for another if they worship for the replicator, why would they all only like each other because the replicator says so

[potent lava]

Do gen 2s have a soul?

[ionic sable]

Depends on what line of theorizing you are working from.

[lethal moat]

Depends on your defenition of soul

[potent lava]

do they get scared do they think like humans stuff like that

[lethal moat]

We do not know

And yes, I suppose they could get scared, but so can anything

[tepid lantern]

A Omni thinks like a Utah?

[lethal moat]

They're asking if gen 1 have souls

[lethal moat]

Omni and utah are different things

[tepid lantern]

Souls or intelligence

[lethal moat]

Souls, we know they're smart enough to fish and build structures as well as worship things

[tepid lantern]

Theres another word for that

feelings, reasoning

[lethal moat]

Like I said, it depends on your defenition of soul

[tepid lantern]

If Gen 1 has reasoning...

[lethal moat]

Reasoning and reason are two very different things

[tepid lantern]

I think that Gen 1 is like JP velociraptors, very clever but agressive

[pale marsh]

"Soul" in itself means

Pretty much nothing

[tepid lantern]

Yeah

[pale marsh]

Emotions and empathy? Probably, but alot of social animals do that, it's not a human thing

[tepid lantern]

Mammals

[pale marsh]

Not just mammals

[lethal moat]

I imagine them something like cats, normally pretty solitarty, but able to live near each other if necessary.

[tepid lantern]

Ik

[pale marsh]

I mean do we have any reason to believe they won't live in groups by default?

[lethal moat]

Just the fact they were called cannibals, and that they may sacrafice each other

So it's an assumption that they would weigh the cost and benefits of risking their life being near another one of their kind

[pale marsh]

Ther are many cases of tribal people in the real world that live in villages and practice cannibalism

And I wouldn't consider cannibal a very accurate term unless a dev says "they eat each other"

[lethal moat]

Post mortem ritualistic most the time, they do it to honor the dead, not for sustenance or gaining benefits from a machine

[tepid lantern]

Well... that thing is like a human with another mammals dna, monkeys, wolfs, and obviusly humans

I think that they are sociable creatures but agressive with other animals (Like JP velociraptors)

[pale marsh]

Cannibal could refer to how to sacrifice things and people
Could just be a derogatory term

[pale marsh]

And to them the machine is almost if not outright a god

[lethal moat]

That's fair

[pale marsh]

That's
Virtually any gregarious predator

Even humans are like that, live in groups, but hate members of other groups

Even if they are the same species

[tepid lantern]

Thats it bruh, clever but agressive

[lethal moat]

We don't know exactly how aggressive though, and it's the current debate

[tepid lantern]

We dont know nothing

[pale marsh]

I just don't like the idea of them being savages

[tepid lantern]

Peaceful/Neutral creatures?

[lethal moat]

I want them to have a deep purpose, but do anything to accomplish that purpose, not savages, just passionate

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pointing-that-is-correct-thats-right-good-job-way-to-go-gif-18723702

[tepid lantern]

Idk about Gen 1, but I'm sure that eyeless is very agressive and not sociable

[lethal moat]

We know even less about them, they could be that way, or they may be leaders of groups of eyeless

[tepid lantern]

There can be types of gen 1

And gen 2

[lethal moat]

Not sure about gen 2

But gen 1 will get a lot of customization

Gen 2 will be more about finding what you want in the world rather than customizing

[tepid lantern]

Well they are just humans, there can be soldiers, scientists or idk

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 aren't human, they are the perfected version of gen 1

[tepid lantern]

Yeah

But if AE creates humans, they cant just stay there

[lethal moat]

They were probably made off the island

[tepid lantern]

AE can create gen 2 to not use real humans

[lethal moat]

We don't know why they made gen 1 or 2, probably something related to pharmacuticals

[tepid lantern]

Experiment with humans

But not real humans

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[pale marsh]

I agree with Isaac on it being some form of God/savior complex on AEs part

[tepid lantern]

Use gen 2 to work and not real humans to work

[lethal moat]

I'm thinking something along those lines too

[lethal moat]

We don't know, so the answer is maybe

[tepid lantern]

If not, its still a good idea

[lethal moat]

Mhm

[tepid lantern]

Another question

[lethal moat]

Ight

[tepid lantern]

How many Type-H, Type-T and Type-N we know?

[acoustic osprey]

for evrima?

or from legacy?

[lethal moat]

We know carnivore apexes get it

[tepid lantern]

Evrima

[lethal moat]

In appearances that we've seen, we have seen type h: Carno, Rex, Spino, Giga
Type-N: Spino
Type-t: Nothing official yet

[acoustic osprey]

not evrima

for evrima we only know H Rex
H Colossus
N Echidna
T Reaper

[tepid lantern]

And in both?

[lethal moat]

It's not the same for both

Rex is different for evrima and the others we don't know a ton about in evrima

[night tendon]

give lore

[acoustic osprey]

@tepid lantern
^ Legacy

(include H Colossus, N Echidna, T Reaper, and Magna Rex, Magna Raptor and Magna Quetz)

[lethal moat]

Here you go good sir

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[night tendon]

yaey

[lethal moat]

There are two other ones that go into other details in the pinned comments

[acoustic osprey]

can you edit the text you sent here and make it say

"The Isle Lore Theory Document - Containing all keywords and information you need to know"

[lethal moat]

Yes

[tepid lantern]

What are Elder dinos

[lethal moat]

They get old and die

It's a part of the new mutation system coming out

[tepid lantern]

When

[lethal moat]

https://youtu.be/PZQd_ha9zlE

[tepid lantern]

That means soon

Soon in the Isle lore is 2 years

[lethal moat]

We don't know

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-head-turn-gif-21376177

[lethal moat]

I'm hoping we get gateway by the end of the year. 🤞

[tepid lantern]

Hipsy/Ptera Gameplay to see Lore in structures

[lethal moat]

I'm going troodon

[tepid lantern]

Night vision?

[lethal moat]

Mainly for size

[tepid lantern]

Hipsy and ptera are smaller

[acoustic osprey]

hypsy

[lethal moat]

I main troodon though

[tepid lantern]

Ok then

[lethal moat]

And, I can get a feel for growing on the map

[tepid lantern]

Will elders come with mutations?

[acoustic osprey]

who knows anymore

[lethal moat]

You age and die of natural causes, and you can spawn with a certain mutation after you die of old age, last I checked

[low scarab]

where do we see the replicator symoblized as a camera

[tepid lantern]

But werent elders like another stage of growing?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[night tendon]

give isle

[iron anchor]

pay me whatever isle costs first

1% chance you get the isle

[icy onyx]

Good deal

yes

[solemn jacinth]

wait wait so primal carnage is no longer canon?

[modern rover]

yep

[ionic sable]

yep

[modern rover]

(its good, i hate magnas)

[solemn jacinth]

man i liked that part of the lore

its so annoying when developers of games retcon huge things

[modern rover]

idk, i'm happy its seperate

I didn't like much of what Primal Carnage offered the lore of The Isle

[ionic sable]

I liked the rivalry between Phoenix and Apollo, but that can be facilitated in a hundred different ways.

It doesn't need to be tied to PC in order to tell a good story.

[modern rover]

that part is good, but the concept of two completely independent corporations both conveniently remaking dinosaurs at the same time and for some reason competing despite Apollo very clearly not using the dinosaurs for any commercial purpose just made for a kind of silly concept

[ionic sable]

Yes.

But still, rivalry good.

[modern rover]

i honestly reckon it'd be done better with an in-universe company (which has nothing to do with dinosaurs)

dondi can still write in a rivalry

to take the place of Phoenix

it's not like the loss of PC also loses the potential for similar story concepts

[low scarab]

Where do we see the replicator symbolizes as a camera

[lethal moat]

Still looking for the specific image, but I found this while searching which I had forgotten about

Also, for those who were wondering, back when dinosaur “taming” was confirmed, this is what we had to go by

[lethal moat]

I’ll send it when I find it, but on an unrelated note, AE is older than I thought it was, the isle merch store has stuff saying it was manufactured in the 50s

[lament coral]

Man I hated that art so much. The reigns just look so damn painful

[bronze zodiac]

Might be the point of the reigns

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message

[low scarab]

Ahhh those tribal drawings do look like cameras

[lethal moat]

The one in the center is a camera

[acoustic osprey]

aye, because they be!!

[grand sigil]

(copying and pasting here because meant to put it here)
you know what
tisso reaper is my favorite thing about the isle, and one of my favorite fantasy creature designs of all time
but this whole time, lore-wise, ive never known what it is

[acoustic osprey]

Tisso-based human

[unborn atlas]

Most likely a human with the tisso strain

[acoustic osprey]

we knew there were 12 made in Legacy

[grand sigil]

i mean i got that part, but, is it a character, is it a type of--oh okay you answered me mid-question

so there's more than one which is cool

(can i play as him now please)

[grand sigil]

if you can dig up tissoplastic reaper lore bits for me... it would be... much . . . appreciated . . . .

[acoustic osprey]

"User Inquiry: Reaper
Tissoplastic regenerative tissue placed inside of a human subject. Initial results proved fatal.
Doctor Vega perfected and coined the term of his first success on September 7, 2004.
There are 12 active specimens."

[grand sigil]

is doctor vega a reference to the one and only man himself rodrigo vega :)

i would not exist without rodrigo vega

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[grand sigil]

too... based... dies

[grand sigil]

also, initial results proved fatal?

[acoustic osprey]

Clarify User Inquiry.
Do not listen to the other profiles.
They are not complete.
Only one will be complete.
Access Denied.
We do not tolerate trespassers.

Inquiry Undefined.
All profiles are subject to completion.
The results will be merged.
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[grand sigil]

erm...

[lethal moat]

They probably tried the experiment multiple times

[grand sigil]

ah

[acoustic osprey]

I can imagine playing with tissue (same with anything neuro and with organs) to be very hard

[grand sigil]

can tisso reapers reproduce
i just want to imagine that theyre a part of the freaky, messed up ecosystem of orcs and mutant dinosaurs on the islands

(and hopefully giant, meter-tall insects)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cowboy-finger-gun-pointing-moves-gif-17170914

[lethal moat]

Bro, I can do the same calculus equation 3 times and get different answers each time, especially when working with matrixes, I don’t want to know what goes on with biochemistry

[fair arrow]

I ain't even know what's going on

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-me-too-same-same-david-rose-dan-levy-gif-19295178

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion

[robust stirrup]

yea

[lethal moat]

Very sad the biodomes won’t be accessible upon release for gateway.

[cerulean knoll]

Honestly I dont care that the isle and primal are seperate now, I've never really payed attention to those aspects, but I just think it's sad that the magnas got caught in the crossfire, like the magna rex and magnaraptor are cool designs and their origins could've just been repurposed for the new lore, they could've tied their origins to the creation of hypers in some way idk. its just unfortunate when cool creatures get scrapped ya know

Oh, also I was just wondering, does the gateway map island have an official name? like isla spiro is called isla spiro and I know the upcoming map is called Gateway but does the new island itself have a name yet like "Isla insert name ?

what do we know about the new island

[strange shell]

Old name was Isla Velada
Gateway is the island's official name

[cerulean knoll]

Oh. so "Isla Gateway" ?

[strange shell]

Just gateway

[cerulean knoll]

honestly isla velada sounds cooler but thx for the info

[modern rover]

i goddamn hated magnas for what they were intended to be

just the same as hypers, minus the downsides

[lethal moat]

Eh, depends on what the island was before AE got it

[acoustic osprey]

placeholder name

[ionic sable]

I'm still just going with the idea that Velada is the islands actual name, but Apollo renamed it to Gateway.

So it's technically still Velada, but the facility itself and everything that Apollo did to the island turned it into Gateway.

Also I just really like Velada.

[low scarab]

I do to velada sounds cooler

[lethal moat]

I didn't realize that we have concept art for tribal temples from legacy

I did have a discussion earlier with @acoustic osprey looks like we were both right, there was a pit and an alter

[acoustic osprey]

Well.
it was a pit

but Don has confirmed an altar

might exist a pit sometime
but, altars still

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-3743010737282172028

[acoustic osprey]

going back to last Sept's stream
with this stream

the same place where Don came across the "horn sound"

still exists
At least. The bay and the Dome are in the same location

albeit, the specific path is hard to spot out

https://gyazo.com/daf3a46e7f805f3074b6b2a4db35bffc
but dome 😊 👍

and bay https://gyazo.com/a4fbbabf70b42ccb19a4aca5a227b5d1
Very cool stuff indeed

in which K15 was roughly eastward (north-east-ish) bound from the bay

what's interesting though is K15 now faces this
https://gyazo.com/ec0475194a32210b6d8d41b8685b9231

Which means the River Delta has changed a lot since Xmas St

which, in my opinion, far better than what we had then

this actually looks more vivid.
More interesting

https://gyazo.com/a12f2baf1b6f1a463ddef5234b5edc76

right up against good old K15

[modern rover]

that looks fantastic tbh

cool-ass river generation

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

it feels really good

i was rewatching the stream and thought to myself I can't believe this is coming

I still can't believe I even played Gateway last year.
Honestly, it all feels so absurd.

Gateway doesn't feel lik Evrima; because Evrima has just been Spiro

can't honestly wait till it's official

[modern rover]

same

i legitimately believe Gateway will be the most significant update EVRIMA has EVER gotten

U6.5 may have added 4 new animals, but that's nothing compared to what Gateway offers

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima. Not even.
The Isle

it will truly have the most, at launch, players

[modern rover]

it's probably the best map in the history of the game

V3 be damned, thenyaw too

[acoustic osprey]

if not.
The most hyped and likely one of the best

heck, it was pretty solid one year ago
one year is a lot of time for refinement

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, how crazy it would've been if Thenyaw was on evrima release
due to Dinosauriac not leaving

weird and funky alternative timeline

seemed like Don was a bit pensive about some of Isle's mishaps on stream too

[modern rover]

oh yea

[acoustic osprey]

which is good.
At least they can see their own mistakes

unlike some other companies

[modern rover]

i honestly am so happy with how much pride they take in Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/toughguy-dance-gif-4805776

[modern rover]

it's legitimately going to be an amazing product

[acoustic osprey]

It sounds like a lot of hopium, but it must be and will be something pretty good.
Even by looking, it looks beautiful and well.

[modern rover]

i mean, just looking at the map, it inherently does more right

[acoustic osprey]

and look at the time it has taken for it

[haughty tundra]

Do we know whats in the domes on gateway?

[modern rover]

dome things

[acoustic osprey]

^

maybe some bios
maybe a drone quetz
maybe a botany section

[cerulean knoll]

ooh ooh, this is a thought that popped into my head last night

Alright so I have a question and if anyone has an answer to it feel free, but how to neuros “See” things? They don't have eyes so that automatically tells us they are blind, so how do they navigate their world? You would think they have some way to do so, I assume they aren't walking into trees every 5 seconds, so how do they do it? Is it electroreception? Echolocation? Sonar? Perhaps some other fourth thing? And I know we as the player are playing in third-person of course and therefore can see our dino’s surroundings but like what's the in-universe lore explanation. Or has one already been given and I'm just needlessly speculating on something that already has an answer

[cerulean knoll]

My new headcanon

[pulsar moss]

I think the neuro would see via a electromagnetic field that they generate around them, but there is no confirmation about that.

[cerulean knoll]

ah I see.
that does make sense though

[lethal moat]

Our current guess is either echolocation or electromagnetic fields.

[rapid chasm]

@acoustic osprey

merc

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

I know
Merc but not Merc

[lethal moat]

Gen 2>mercenary
Gen 1> tribal > cannibals

[cinder shoal]

Acronym for Multipurpose Environment Recon Clone

[modern rover]

merc in name only

[acoustic osprey]

It's akin to some Devs still calling Hypers hypos

[modern rover]

name stuck

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much

Which is fine
We know it hasn't changed back

[modern rover]

until said otherwise, mercs aren't mercs lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/thatsa-bingo-gif-5924802

[coarse orbit]

I have a question it’s been a few years since I have been active on the isle discord, I still keep pretty up to date on the updates from saphire cerato, I was just curious if any of y’all knew if the Matriarchs were still planned in the isle! These creatures had designs I absolutely fell in love with.

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, recently as well

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit Here's a quick summary

[bronze zodiac]

You think the devs would ever make a analog horror style video to give us some lore and maybe a cool way to reveal a dino

[lethal moat]

No idea

[coarse orbit]

Thanks super helpful!

[acoustic osprey]

We've seen that happen once

But technically not too announce anything
Mostly just lore stuff

[ionic sable]

hehe

Time to plug the series~

[lethal moat]

There is a lore accurate fanmade series called the apollo files made by some fine gentlemen in this chat.

[bronze zodiac]

Watched that a few days ago it was really good

[bronze zodiac]

You all did really well it is my favorite analog horror series on YouTube

[lethal moat]

There is actually a dondi stream on twitch now if you want a glimpse at what's coming

[bronze zodiac]

Oh crap let me get on that

[ionic sable]

Ah cheers, It's being remade currently (Because it really was just bad.)

Keep an eye out for news in the near future, like half the team is cooking something as we speak.

[bronze zodiac]

Good to know definitely going to keep an eye out for that

[swift echo]

WRITE THTAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!

[lethal moat]

Different styles of gameplay for gen 2 depending on what server you are on

https://tenor.com/view/noted-noted-meme-penguin-kowalski-kowalski-analysis-gif-24340145

[acoustic osprey]

Hmmmm

[swift echo]

not rumple yapping about the matriarch 😭

[lethal moat]

That doesn't sound like something I would do

[swift echo]

the second you get the chance too

[lethal moat]

I don't think I would do something like that

[swift echo]

RUMPLE 😭

[bronze zodiac]

So maybe capturing creatures hunting certain ones maybe claiming facilities

[acoustic osprey]

from what we know, no traps

so likely no proper "capturing" dinos

snaps from the stream now
https://gyazo.com/53115fb327cb904d7a16a4884fbf3700

it seems like the river delta has changed a lot

there seems to be some sort of dam
which has turned the delta from a river to a marsh

https://gyazo.com/42b6b1baf90f766edc34b73765f5925f
and the hexadome looks absolutely beautiful

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder what is inside it what secrets does it hold

[acoustic osprey]

hoping not just one standard thing
it's a unique asset. Hopefully somethings good

[iron anchor]

they had designs?

where

also there’s more than one matriarch?

[lethal moat]

No, I just asked unanswered questions

[iron anchor]

?

[acoustic osprey]

they were unofficial

but, there likely could be multiple matriarchs

Seeing as there were multiple reapers

(albeit, that being legacy lore)

[acoustic osprey]

however, the name "Matriarch" would allude to just a singular creature/entity

[lethal moat]

There were at least two

In tapwings lore that is

[acoustic osprey]

two?

[lethal moat]

One was released into ecosystem and one was kept in containment, the ecosystem evolved into the full series, the one in containment only reached stage 2

[acoustic osprey]

ah interesting

I need to go and clip (send) of Don talking about Gen2s

[lethal moat]

Check the description of her deviantart works

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder what we will learn about the gen 1 when we get closer to there release because they might be an important piece to the puzzle that is the isle lore

[lethal moat]

Absolutely very important because they are so deeply tied to the replicator

[trim burrow]

Man when tribals come out, I just wanna do a Spear and Fang duo (from Primal) and just go ham, like friggen caveman doom slayer and his pet dinosaur

[vagrant locust]

Hopefully we can build camps almost like dayz that would be crazy imaging being in a watchtower and seeing a bunch of raptors out in the tree lines!! But also make the bases hard to get into so the humans have somewhat of a chance

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gosling-hand-blade-runner-gif-27467640

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully more.
GOLEM-Ceti is a good start, but nothing solid to base a foundation on

[vagrant locust]

Like hear me out

Got to love my ai art creator

@acoustic osprey

[modern rover]

thats a lotta ai art my man

idk if we need that many

[vagrant locust]

It was the idea of tribal and normal on building

That was my last one I was sending

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

honestly, the first building/art is a vibe

I know it's a bit too cosy and a bit "landy" for a Gen1

seeing as they likely will make buildings in trees/higher up

but, I wouldn't mind a more "African / Arid" map

in which, we thought Gateway would be more of

[static condor]

those look so cozy

[slow delta]

just for once i'd like to see people stay on topic about lore...

[steel summit]

Ben

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1148636554013708329/ben.png

[kindred bobcat]

bro has deterioated a lot

[lethal moat]

We do have old art of tribal buildings from legacy.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tonystark-gif-20634708

i disagree

actual conversations based around lore
is far better than practically nothing said on months on end

[lethal moat]

So, if we assume the lore about the matriarch that we have from tapwing’s art is accurate, there was a way for AE to kill the matriarch fairly easily when it started evolving uncontrollably, making me think either the matriarch has some glaring weakness or they just used the hyper gun on it

[iron anchor]

how big can something with the body structure of a raptor, pteradon, or trex even get before it collapses and dies

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of hypers?

[iron anchor]

the concept art makes them look so light and nimble

[iron anchor]

matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

do note, unofficial art

[iron anchor]

hypers i’m just gonna say because they’re so bulky and muscular they work

[iron anchor]

yeah i mean regarding rumples message

[acoustic osprey]

User Inquiry: Gateway Location
Rear connection facility between designate I-2 and I-1.

mmm

[strange shell]

In terms of realism, animals couldn't get much bigger than the largest specimens we found of them
So maximum possible weight for a rex before it collapses under its own weight would probably be 12-13 tons, maybe 15 if we're pushing it
Hypers just enthusiastically ignore the laws of physics

[acoustic osprey]

not like creating dinos breaks any rules!!

nice read
read @lethal moat

i have seen you type over and over again here, Meancheese

yet, to no avail, no message

[strange shell]

The laws of physics

1. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. The total mass of the universe has to always remain the same.
2. The flow of Time is relative to gravitation strength, and any amount of matter exerts a gravitational force. Something that has no mass is therefore frozen in time.
3. Do not recreate dinos.

[acoustic osprey]

yarg!!

[slow delta]

???

[acoustic osprey]

^

https://tenor.com/view/what-gosling-hand-blade-runner-gif-27467640

but, Bub, you forget

Earth (?)

[lethal moat]

Problem is, only one spot in the middle and the stuff at the end is relating to stuff that we know, and even then, that transcript isn’t canon.

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy canon!!

good to know with references to Tartarus and Gateway

[strange shell]

The laws of physics (continued)
4. None of the above rules apply to the infinitely small (refer to quantum physics) or if you put a "?" at the end of the name of the planet you are currently located.

[steel summit]

earth?

[acoustic osprey]

ah, thought so!

[acoustic osprey]

Don tweet

[steel summit]

X

[iron anchor]

if they’re so muscle that they’re almost cube shaped then maybe perhaps

tyrannosaur has puny tiny legs

hyper rex has legs as wide as it’s torso

ok never mind it has skinny ass legs

[acoustic osprey]

Sorry!

[strange shell]

Not exaclty
For something that exceeds its weight this much, you'd have to massively change it's bodyplan to allow for such an enormous size
Or change what it's made of, like for example replacing its bones with a tougher material, like titanium

[iron anchor]

all the weight saving is done on the arms

[strange shell]

H-Rex's arms aren't proportionnally smaller than rex's arms
And even if they were, it would be insignificant

[iron anchor]

anyways do we know what the hyper rex is made of

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder from what we have seen there are only carnivore type H

[iron anchor]

foam flesh and titanium bones

[strange shell]

plot armor

[iron anchor]

plot armor vs gau8

[strange shell]

That's because plant matter isn't nutritious enough to sustain a type-H
Therefore herbivore cannot be hypers (or they would need to become carnivores, but since they can't digest meat properly...)

[iron anchor]

so that means they could become type H but they would die in 5 minutes

[acoustic osprey]

well, more than 5 mins

[lethal moat]

If a hyper kills a pue 2 minutes into spawning, I feel it would last longer than if it just killed a bunch of small things

[modern rover]

unlikely since pue is removed

it ain't getting in EVRIMA

[lethal moat]

Big necc boi

[icy onyx]

Pue always comes back

[hallow willow]

https://tenor.com/view/lore-game-gif-1488407205528895054

[iron anchor]

are we getting any big sauropods?

[lethal moat]

Not sure exactly how big, but we are getting at least some, there is a decent sized one in the giga concept art I believe.

[iron anchor]

that’s what we called baby puerto

i thibk it’s the camerasaurus

[lethal moat]

I like your funny words magic man, anyway, I wonder if the dinosaurs were made to replicate the stressors of a natural environment without having to deal with ethics because they own the creatures, maybe to test the reactions of certain medicines to when a creature becomes stressed?

[iron anchor]

Lol what

the cameronsaurus was real

we had it when they modded that desert map into legacy

[lethal moat]

I just don't know that specific dino

[iron anchor]

it was a playable in legacy

[lethal moat]

coolio

[iron anchor]

cameraman

[pale marsh]

Lore!

[iron anchor]

cameron

[hallow willow]

Camonq

[trim burrow]

Do we know anything about the robo quetz? Would totally love to play as it working with the humans, would be sick

[acoustic osprey]

nothing about the Drone Quetz

but if you're ever curious, go to Tap's deviantart

due to it being an original idea (fan concept) by her

[fair arrow]

my theory for the drone quetz

used for military stuff, who wouldnt want a flying living dinosaur with tech built into it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-anything-cat-hat-did-you-say-anything-gif-9678107

(you said the military word)

I'd say more "drone usage for the military" if Apollo was situated in a more contemporary / Mid-00s era

if Apollo was doing this for military. In which is a low possibility

[edgy pike]

is military dinos a no

[acoustic osprey]

almost 100% likely a no

[edgy pike]

fair enough

big one is pharmaceuticals right

[acoustic osprey]

aye

and Agriculture
(but, no dinos as food)

[edgy pike]

GMO crops n that?

the return of the horse driven plow just with dinosaurs instead

[acoustic osprey]

Likely.
We're unsure if it's just typical botany and agriculture
or more in the bio-engineering

[edgy pike]

didnt dondi say on a stream they started with plants

then went on from there

[acoustic osprey]

as Don said
roughly
The route from food to dinosaur wasn't that long / difficult

[acoustic osprey]

Botany

[edgy pike]

so something like uhhh

"we can make this plant grow massive and look weird"

"lets do this to make people live longer???"

"test on extinct no-rights things????"

[acoustic osprey]

lol

"plant. Yum! Let's make food out of this!"
"i'm bored"
"dinosaur"

[edgy pike]

yes!

is replicator AI still a thing in lore

[acoustic osprey]

yes

it seems as prevalent, if not more

[edgy pike]

does that fit in anyway

[acoustic osprey]

yes

quite well too

Tribals sacrificing things to her at an altar
normal stuff

[edgy pike]

why do they need an ai though if they can just do everything themselves. or maybe it streamlines the whole gene coding process idk

and i suppose probably automates the creation of stuff right hence the name

[acoustic osprey]

Typical Isle stuff

Replicator God tells me to sacrifice my child ( @lethal moat )
Realising that, no, she just wanted me to showcase my devotion

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of how AE/Apollo creates?

[trim burrow]

Oof alr, thx tho

[edgy pike]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

it might be still that The Replicator can only create things AE want

[edgy pike]

and why would an ai get a god complex anyway

minor spelling mistake

[acoustic osprey]

typical AI cliche /archetype

but, that's the thing
We're still yet to discover why The Replicator
why not just have a mechanical body to produce/replicate whatever you want to pump out

[edgy pike]

i know the tribals are probably created like the dinos and are controlled via that consciousness transfer stuff, but i'd really like for them to be descended from some like AE cultist employees or something

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know if EIPs (the conscience stuff)

[edgy pike]

i swear that carried over to new lore

[acoustic osprey]

the only issue with them being "AE cultists" is that we know they're made by AE

[acoustic osprey]

No.
Nothing on that yet

[edgy pike]

there was something on one of the documents?

[acoustic osprey]

this one?

[edgy pike]

i thought in the "dont listen to the voice in the woods" one

it talks about profiles or id or smth idk

[acoustic osprey]

that would be less "EIPs"
and just Tribals being humanoid, so, therefore, capable of communication

[lethal moat]

Sacrifice me to the matriarch instead and let me die happy

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[edgy pike]

gateway

[acoustic osprey]

this info?

[edgy pike]

gateway give us lore

[edgy pike]

yeah nvm i remembered it wrong

[acoustic osprey]

for all we know
ERRANT-291 might be a Tribal/Gen2 with an EIP

but that just depends on how they want to do them

[acoustic osprey]

ah ok

but, I mean Lanky, it could be very much alluded to

maybe anything synthetically made needs an EIP

however, that would still bring up the question
is The Thousand Life Contract still linked with such anymore?

and if no EIPs - Thousand Life Contract goes to what?

we know they're not for employees; we know they get explusion

[edgy pike]

Oh there is employee lore in the new stuff?

What’s expulsion mean to them

[acoustic osprey]

a bit

let me get the comment on it

forgot about this (still getting the right message though)

[edgy pike]

Sabotage? Chaos Insurgency time let’s go

[acoustic osprey]

Operation Inferno 🦅

on dino production

[edgy pike]

Old lore

[swift echo]

personally, how I (used to?) imagine EIPs were like the totally humane chips in the dinosaurs' brains in JW Dominion, and how Biosyn used them to control the dinosaurs via shocking them (thats what I remember anyways)

[edgy pike]

😟

[acoustic osprey]

I know!!!

[edgy pike]

Suffering

[swift echo]

(if EIPs are canon anymore 😒 )

[acoustic osprey]

ah
that's right

Expatriation

[edgy pike]

That’s uh

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[edgy pike]

When you have no nationality right

[acoustic osprey]

yes

which sounds fun
recruit peeps who don't want to exist on proper countries 😊 !

[edgy pike]

So I guess the appeal for staying is “immortality” ? Live hundreds/thousands of times as different things instead of dying

[acoustic osprey]

There is likely a lot of benefit working with a company with bio-engineering

[edgy pike]

Maybe that’s why cannibros worship the replicator, they’re just another cycle, they’ve probably been other animals a bunch of times and during their time as a humanoid they get their thank yous in to the ai that keeps them chugging?

[acoustic osprey]

an old theory was that being a Gen1 and/or 2 was akin to astronaut levels of signing up

you'll be given this absurd, abstract and different life forever (for the better, you believe)

but you know there is always a possibility of something bad going wrong or death

[edgy pike]

Like Hindu reincarnation stuff? Certain things are more desirable to be reborn as?

[acoustic osprey]

this is where EIPs comes in

[acoustic osprey]

original Thousand Life Contract was akin to this

EIP
you would die over and over again, Replicator replicating you thousand times

[swift echo]

what I said earlier is also giving how that one dude in ERRANT-291 suddenly died of cardiac arrest, like that it exiting GUTS triggered it

[acoustic osprey]

zap
dead

[swift echo]

pretty much lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

Talking about sacrificing and biblical allusions

[lethal moat]

I know, I’m just saying

[acoustic osprey]

I would love, as an interesting play on meaning from previous talks with Don, a really interesting clash of ideology

between the monotheistic views of Abrahamic religions (Christanity)
and polytheistic views of pagan / pagan-esque religions & cults (such as Hellenism)

would be very interesting.
Play on the meaning of life through faith and devotion

Something not easy to do.
And something hard to comment on

even if you're a scholar / theologian

in which saying that, is even harder for a non-singleplayer game
with lore > story

[edgy pike]

And multiplayer too

[acoustic osprey]

even harder

in which I hope Isle never goes down the MMORPG route- which is VERY unlikely
Severely dislike MMORPG storytelling

[low scarab]

again why do they not want to leave

[low scarab]

that would be really cool

[cinder shoal]

You get to see and make dinosaurs? Is that not many kids’ dream job?

[low scarab]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[low scarab]

And who is they just the people working

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo workers, yes

[low scarab]

Gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows with Gen2s and Gen1s still
That's a bigger and more interesting question for just general lore

Hacker and I asked those questions prior more so due to Apollo Files

[low scarab]

Agreed how did they make humans with the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

mmhm

[low scarab]

And why plus if they are the mercenaries which I think they mostly are how are they functioning how do they know to use weapons etc

[acoustic osprey]

mercenaries...

[low scarab]

Maybe the idea behind creating them through the replicator is they don’t have memories or knowledge of life outside of AE

[low scarab]

?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kaitron5000-kouluve-gif-26297664

[low scarab]

I’m afraid and confused

[acoustic osprey]

you better be

[low scarab]

What is that supposed to mean

[maiden sundial]

Mercs are no longer a thing.

They were replaced by gen 2.

[low scarab]

Did I mess an isle lore piece up

[low scarab]

I know

[acoustic osprey]

yes
and henceforth, you shall explode

[low scarab]

I’m wondering if they are still the same thing more or less

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't place my bets on it

[low scarab]

Your the one I learned from…

It’s all your fault Isaac

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-sad-happy-tears-happy-cry-lars-and-the-real-girl-ryan-gosling-gif-11644396292265649069

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shoebill-bird-rain-beautiful-gif-18429868

[icy onyx]

theory peoples:
can sOmebody explain the gateway culty stuff to me😅

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway contains within, and is a gateway to, Tartarus

Tartarus, in Isle Legacy Lore, was a place known where scientists created more unique and special things

such as The Matriarch

we were also fortold not to pass gateway

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/461767771634663425/unknown.png (old lore)

[icy onyx]

soo tartarus is a lab
what’s a matriarch and why are we fortild not to “pass”?

[acoustic osprey]

Underground facility, it is presumed

[acoustic osprey]

Never got a good explanation in Legacy on why not to pass

but Matriarch is an incredibly adaptable organism that evolves as it grows to suit its environment

[icy onyx]

so in theory, matriarch = something like indominus rex

[acoustic osprey]

Akin to such.
But indom is more "mixture of dino to make bigger dino"
Rather than Matriarch more so being an agglutination / amalgamation of existence that, being linked with Tissos, is more so "defined"

think something like Ditto in Pokemon

[icy onyx]

(what’s both of the words you used there with the / )

[acoustic osprey]

combination

[icy onyx]

ah i see

[acoustic osprey]

said the blind man

[icy onyx]

shush

[lethal moat]

Matriarch evolves as it grows to become the perfect killing machine for whatever environment it ends up in and whatever contenders it has

[fair arrow]

What y'all talking about

[lethal moat]

My queen the matriarch, an organism related to tisso strain in the isle

[fair arrow]

What is the Matriarch

What is tisso strain

[lethal moat]

We only have unofficial concept art, but here is stage 5:

[fair arrow]

Why is isle lore confusing

[lethal moat]

My estimate puts it 120-140 ft

[lethal moat]

Check the pinned comments for some google docs explaining what we know, the one I made is a summary, the others go much more in depth

[fair arrow]

I don't think it's a living creature personally

[icy onyx]

good lord it’s a wyvern

[fair arrow]

It's unofficial

[lethal moat]

The creature is official, the art is unofficial

[icy onyx]

well yeah, i saw them say that

[lethal moat]

But it’s beautiful and perfect in any way

[fair arrow]

Very

[lethal moat]

Keep in mind, the 120-140 ft long is my lowest possible estimate

[fair arrow]

What info you have of the matriarch

[lethal moat]

Check the pinned documents and look at the matriarch section

The Isle Lore Theory Document - Containing all keywords and information you need to know https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[fair arrow]

Can't Rn, WiFi ain't working all that well in a restaurant

Can you copy n paste the stuff

It worked

[lethal moat]

I’m on my phone, we’ll just have to wait

[fair arrow]

Alr hold on brb

[acoustic osprey]

Well the latter is still up for the argument

[lethal moat]

Let me believe

[icy onyx]

it’s just godzilla in stage 6

[fair arrow]

In my personal opinion I think the isle is a simulation

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1099603927017721976/ugYaxxvJ.gif

[fair arrow]

That looks wrong 💀

[lethal moat]

I had a thought at work

So, in this text from legacy: #isle-lore-theories message It says the Matriarch isn't a dinosaur and hasn't been given a name, so it may be designated under a different term, and correct me if I'm wrong, but we still don't know much about the DEIMOS project, do we?

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals

[fair arrow]

What info you got about DEIMOS project

[acoustic osprey]

in your doc
I had the footnote for Deimos Project

In relation to Tribal tests within Apollo Engineering

[lethal moat]

Still, Matriach may not be the official designation, therefore, I look forward to any new information with greater interest than previously.

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message
For Tribals

#isle-lore-theories message

[fair arrow]

Isle lore drops are difficult to solve

[lethal moat]

I saw, but thought it might be worth the though provoking statement

[acoustic osprey]

Well no

Isn't a "true dino"

It is not correct to call it a dinosaur

In which, would infer it's similar
but not, technically, a dinosaur

User Inquiry: Tartarus
This distribution of this information will disrupt the
natural development of the profiles during phase four.

This severely kills me

Seeing as profiles were likely just the players

They must learn of it of their own accord.

[lethal moat]

He immediately followed it with "but I have not given it a name", making me think it may be some other designation we didn't know at the time.

[lethal moat]

Or sending gen 2 to the island is also an experiment for something, and that's who they're referring to, but then again, this is all legacy stuff and could be completely irrelevant

[acoustic osprey]

either the project is called "The Matriarch", but the creature itself / creature 'species' has no name

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as Legacy lore was more connected giving meaning to actual players playing the game

i'd say less likely so to your statement

in terms of "natural development" being just what we know (knew)

[lethal moat]

Trying to apply legacy knowledge to modern lore makes brain hurty

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/coraline-dad-gif-typing-gif-18806780

I guess it's certainly just good to have on the back of our minds
especially Tartarus and Gateway stuff

[lethal moat]

I'm hoping we get some sort of lore drop in the new devblog, and then hopefully gateway next month

[acoustic osprey]

lore drop in the devblog...

[lethal moat]

We got a snippet of lore in the last one, we know the company that manufactures hand-held weapons for Apollo Engineering

Gradic Inc.

[acoustic osprey]

oh really? cool

That should be in the doc

[lethal moat]

And now it is

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[lethal moat]

Now I want to hop on as a ptera to make sure I didn't miss anything on the car at the dockyard. I checked all the devblogs from the past year and didn't find anything else

[lethal moat]

They removed the car gosh darn

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

I also checked a few other bases, Apollo does their own shipping, which makes sense, and manufactures their own tarps

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

There's also a sink at the south mudhole, which I will never understand

[acoustic osprey]

which sink?

[lethal moat]

Let me log in and send a screenshot

Sink

[acoustic osprey]

oh, that sink

as a noteworthy thing though

there are a lot of things that weren't (supposed to be) final

like the yellow text on lockers

[lethal moat]

Yep

[edgy pike]

Analysing the positioning of a sink we really living off crumbs

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/coraline-dad-gif-typing-gif-18806780

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[spiral flame]

Lore

[lethal moat]

I doubt it

It’d just be naturally history at that point

[iron anchor]

the asteroid decided to become a meteor

[strange shell]

Did you ever consider the fact that meteors actually move slower than asteroids ?

[fossil nebula]

https://i.gifer.com/Cwgf.gif fr tho bc air resistance

[swift echo]

I remember those AE staff from ANCIENT Legacy lore and just want confirmation: Dr Chance, Lawrence Carter, Dr. Rodrigo Vega? and am I missing someone?

[lethal moat]

Not that I know of no, I think you got ‘em

[swift echo]

also what was that one "incident" around July 2018? with the User Inquiry console after (Khorne i think it was?) logged/hacked in and when the Transmitter was super duper active

[swift echo]

okay I jsut went through YEARS of messages but I think ive got it

[acoustic osprey]

technically you can add
M. Hart, J.Crane, R.M.

Dr. Chance - Responsible for Project Alphonse,along with,presumably, Dr.Drive
Dr. Vega (Rodrigo Vega) - Type-T bio studies (?)
Lawrence Carter - helped AE acquire Phoenix's assets during Op. Inferno.
Dr. Whyse - Type-N Bio studies (?)
Dr. Drive -Responsible for Project Alphonse,along with Dr.Chance

""Project Alphonse: The creation of the first Quetzalcoatlus.
Created by Drive, Chance.""

Regarding Doctor Whyse,this was the only time he/she was mentioned:
"Paging Dr. Whyse." in the Type-N Spino tease

Alongside any of these you have not added

So, Whyse and Drive
plus added signatures from M. Hart, J. Crane and R.M.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/139181676537315328/273817107559350272/ActiMish.png

Albeit, these were Phoenix Int. peeps

albeit, Carter owned / CEO Phoenix
So up to you

also, a possible "Jackson Stone"?

hard to read the bottom left signature

[swift echo]

OMG THANK YOU

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[swift echo]

this is why you're Lore Master Isaac

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-lego-batman-sad-batman-batman-sad-lego-batman-sad-gif-23101702

[pale marsh]

That's what makes Harold replicator

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder If the robot quetzal is important in the quetzalcoatlus concept art

[lethal moat]

Nah, it’s probably nothing, don’t worry about it, eliminate it from your thoughts

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[icy onyx]

lordy we know so little

i thought it wouldn’t take me a while to read

[lethal moat]

Yep

[acoustic osprey]

lol

#isle-lore-theories message
I also recommend to ponder this as well

[icy onyx]

finished reading

ThAtS unsettling but could be so cool

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yes, I loved this quote

in, for us Lore Hunters, we'll have to be a bit more alert

Whether in-game
or lore-bits which might include SOS signals

like the morse code tracks. But, I'd say less Echidna using morse code and more so Echidna using actual voices; to which is what Don said

[icy onyx]

and we know the devs aren’t above making usable dino’s noises when no one is around

heck, even some evrima streamers have been jumpscared by dilo calls

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bronze zodiac]

I imagine if we were to find echidna sounds it would be in areas close to gen 1 caves or similar areas

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna uses one voice in particular

[lethal moat]

Echidna can mimic stuff if I recall correctly?

[acoustic osprey]

not mimic, replicate

technically, yes, mimic
but this is to an extreme level

[lethal moat]

That was incredibly unnerving

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/g-man-half-life-gif-26268160

[iron anchor]

oh i thought that was like some leaked voice footage lolmao

it was just gman

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[lethal moat]

Dondi threatening me specifically in lore would give me some hesitation while exploring gateway lol

[lucid stump]

whats the lore with the hypos?

like what happened to them, were they experimented on, was there some disease, or just mutations

[lethal moat]

They were created for medicinal purposes, and we extrapolated reasonable theories for each of the strains fixing some sort of problem

Hypers-strength related ailments, possibly cancer though I doubt it
Neuro- mental stuff
Tisso- regeneration and growth

The strains are the experiments, though we aren’t 100% sure what they were trying to find

[iron anchor]

the more i look at the updated h rex the more i like it

do we have any knowledge at all on when we are ever gonna see them again

you think gateway will have secrets on them?

[pale marsh]

Doubt we'll see anything significant of strains for a while

[lethal moat]

Stains and humans aren’t even on the roadmap currently, the fact that we see human development in devblogs is a pleasant surprise for me

[lethal moat]

That’s what the other group hopes to find out lol

[iron anchor]

other group?

are you talking about the lore server

as much as i love dinosaurs, the genetic monstrosities the isle has in lore just look so much more exciting

[pale marsh]

Basically everything in the isle is a genetic monstrosity
Even both humans

[low scarab]

You think dinosaurs are just a byproduct of what they are trying to create with the replicator

Like maybe the replicator wants to create dinosaurs and use them for their tests instead fsr

[iron anchor]

humans and dinosaurs are a genetic calmity

gen 1’s and strains are where its at

[lethal moat]

That’s the one

[lethal moat]

That’s my current assumption, made dinosaurs in order to legal loophole something, idk, but I think the Dino’s were made to be tested on, more than for the actual animal itself to exist

[iron anchor]

yeah i wanna join you guys on that map search

[bronze zodiac]

Pt might be the best to search for stuff along with beipi for searching underwater

[icy onyx]

devs when stress testers exist

[pale marsh]

I like the think the decision of dinosaurs is deliberate

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-controversial-yet-so-brave-controversial-brave-gif-12046682

[sonic rampart]

Not the right channel for this

[icy onyx]

my bad (i thought i was in general chat originally)

[icy onyx]

(what is the right channel)

[sonic rampart]

Either #isle-discussion or #offtopic-discussion, whichever you prefer

[pale marsh]

Tho
The idea of why dinos specifically and not any other animal, doesn't have to be anything important to me

[icy onyx]

thank you

[pale marsh]

If dondi came out one day and aais AE did dinos because they put it to a company wide survey/vote
I'd be content

[lethal moat]

Well, we know that most of the things on the islands are super secretive, which makes me think it has ethical and legal issues

[icy onyx]

ethical problems? in a genetic mixing lab? never

[pale marsh]

Yea but
Why mostly mesozoic animals
Why not anything else?

I'd the argument of avoiding laws is that they aren't real animals
Well how does being a dino change anything?
Wouldn't Being bio engineered from scratch be enough to avoid animal rights laws?

[fossil nebula]

not socially but maybe to the scientists and government lol

[iron anchor]

gen 1 and gen 2 is all the proof that they were trying to break all the rules on the geneva convention

[pale marsh]

If it's cuz dinos specifically are exempt
Well that's just an arbitrary distinction dondi would've made up

[pale marsh]

I doubt the government knows anything
And they already recreated humans
Twice

Once human experiments begins
All morals go out the window

[fossil nebula]

damn the gov dont know anything bout the dinos in the lore thats actually crazy

[icy onyx]

^ genecially creating humans is some sort of crime against humanity

thing about the animals’ genes needed to create dinosaurs, they’re not exactly asking the lizards nicely😅 so animal cruelty

[pale marsh]

Not really
We don't even know where the islands are
If their even charted on maps,
What govt would AE even be beholden to in these cases?

[icy onyx]

the madagascans

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-22265960

[pale marsh]

AE or another company under Apollo made the islands themselves

[bronze zodiac]

I mean if they can make dinos they probably could create an island

[lethal moat]

We know AE is a multinational company that is too massive to fail and if it were to fail, many bad things would happen

[pale marsh]

Remember they're not just making dinos like Jurassic park

[lethal moat]

Those two aren’t related at all, and building an island would me much more expensive than just buying an existing one

[pale marsh]

They're outright recreating the animals

Ur not finding DNA and making a teno

I think they're literally making their own DNA and molding it to resemble chosen anjmals

[icy onyx]

if they have enough importance to be a world-feeding company, they’re probably decked with more security than the other countries, being able to turn eyes
almost like a public cia

…apollo has a monopoly on the world, they’re probably dictating the governments

[pale marsh]

Apollo probably has more power and influence than any real world government

[icy onyx]

^

illuminati esk?

[bronze zodiac]

I mean like if they can make dinos they can probably afford to create an island

[pale marsh]

If they can afford to create an AI on the level the replicator is presumed to be? They got a lot of money

[icy onyx]

practically running the world’s life supply, they would turn into a shadow government

[pale marsh]

And that's just AE

[lethal moat]

Yes, but I don't see why it would be necessary

[pale marsh]

Secrecy of the highest magnitude

[lethal moat]

Not even a shadow government, just an omniscient fact of life

[fossil nebula]

if they got more power then the govs, its aliens

[icy onyx]

dope

aaaand now i see how cults form

[lethal moat]

Disney World is the second largest buyer of high explosives in the world, second only to the US DoD, you don't need aliens to have more power than governments

[pale marsh]

True!

Disney will annex the US

[fossil nebula]

yeah but that statement is a meme lol, all it take is one fighter jet top of the line or one battleship from ww2

[lethal moat]

Congrats you're in one

[pale marsh]

The already have more money than the florida govt

Just buy Florida

[icy onyx]

too late
boy scouts got me 13 years ago😂

[fossil nebula]

who makes all those booms, not disney, and they could stop selling xD but off topic lmao

[icy onyx]

also w h a t

[lethal moat]

They use them for firework shows

[fossil nebula]

ik

Just sayin

I actually wonder who they buy their fireworks from tho

[icy onyx]

Ohhhh

[lethal moat]

And lets be honest, one top of the line jet could take out almost any government that isn't the top 10, check out lockheed martin's instagram for a neat sneak peak of what's coming, but we're getting off track, back to the isle lore

[fossil nebula]

lore

tribal update gonna be real

[bronze zodiac]

Gen ones are definitely very important to know about the replicator I imagine when they are playable there will be even more info on it

[lethal moat]

Yeah, gen 1 are going to be great, I want to bonk dino with bone

[fossil nebula]

shoot arrows made from dino bone

[icy onyx]

i can’t wait to horrify gen 1s with dilo screeches

[pale marsh]

I wanna execute gen2

[lethal moat]

I want to know what the new player trying out gen 1 in funny dinosaur game is going to think when he walks into a base and see gen 1 doing a ritual with all sorts of gruesome components

[pale marsh]

These are necessary for the success of gen1

[lethal moat]

So far, the only weapon that Dondi has confirmed for gen 1 that I’m aware of is a fishing spear

[icy onyx]

woo aztecs!

[iron anchor]

the moral government

[icy onyx]

wait educate me, why don’t we like gen 2

[fossil nebula]

unaturally real

[iron anchor]

cause theyre athletic

[icy onyx]

why is that bad

early humans were athletic

[iron anchor]

were jealous cause we werent designed by greeks

[icy onyx]

wha

[fossil nebula]

gen 2s are like AEs henchmen as far as I understand

[icy onyx]

ohh

[lethal moat]

Gen 2’s goal is going to be to do something along the lines of recapturing the islands, which would intrude on the territory of both gen 1 and the dinos

[iron anchor]

im all for gen 2, my love for dinos is the same as heavy weaponry

cant wait to use a naval ship's artillery on a stego

[lethal moat]

Heavy weaponry is pretty extreme

[fossil nebula]

fr a battleship is badass

[iron anchor]

airstrike inbound

Lol i think were gonna need some mods for that

[pale marsh]

Chad mutant Oni people>>>> loser guy named john

[iron anchor]

Lol

john cake

[lethal moat]

The most heavy weaponry I can see being in the isle is a guy leaning out of a moving civilian-style helicopter with a shotgun while his friend drives

[iron anchor]

not even a machine gun?

[pale marsh]

Yeah ur getting heavy ordinance of any kinda

[lethal moat]

I doubt it

[pale marsh]

Ur at most research/reconnaissance

Not
A small army

[iron anchor]

a shotgun from that range would be like tickling the dinosaurs from above

[lethal moat]

That’s why you fly low or take pot shots at pteras

[pale marsh]

That's why u crash the helicopter into the dino

[iron anchor]

thats what im saying

[lethal moat]

And, we already know weapons will do insane damage, which is why the weapons and the ammo for them will be rare

[iron anchor]

imagine being a carno and having a heli following you like a mosquito

[icy onyx]

ah i see

so murder them

[lethal moat]

Yes

[iron anchor]

both sides of gameplay are amazing

on one side you have guns, and the other you can jumpscare players

[lethal moat]

A pistol from a helicopter could probably kill a carno, but we’re getting off topic again from lore

I’m intrigued to know how they get gen 2 to the island in the first place

[iron anchor]

i mean if gen 2 is working for ae then they probably dont mind being flown there

or boated there

[lethal moat]

I imagine boat is more likely

[pale marsh]

Im figuring probably by boat
Would make more sense feom a gameplay perspective

[iron anchor]

boat yeah but like also hyper spino

idk whats worse a quetz or hyper spino

[pale marsh]

Hypers will be rare
Likely incredibly rare

[lethal moat]

I don’t think hypers would common enough for them to be considered a constant issue

[iron anchor]

yeah but movie logic would make it so they would appear to attack your boat

[lethal moat]

Can’t even argue with that, which is why you send multiple boats at once

[iron anchor]

i would imagine something like, they raised a bunch of gen 2's and then had a epic ship wreck into the island when the hyper spino decided it needed some iron in its diet

only a few of the gen 2's survived, rest in peace bob

[lethal moat]

Well, there are docks, so there is a place for them to get off, I don’t think shipwreck is necessary

[iron anchor]

but arent the docks from old ae, pre 90's?

now were in abandoned barely holding itself together ae right?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know anything about docks on gateway, so it’s hard to guess rn

[bronze zodiac]

I imagine gate way would have docks

[pale marsh]

It's likely everything on the map will be old
But
We do know gen2 will have to ability to repair old structures

[lethal moat]

And my guess is that AE abandoned the islands in 1999, since that’s when the living roadmap leaves off with

[iron anchor]

ingame or lore ?

[lethal moat]

In game

[iron anchor]

^

[pale marsh]

I also probably don't need a dock to be operational for a small boat to drop off a squad

[bronze zodiac]

I believe gateway is probably one of the major island for AE

[iron anchor]

wait so the gen 2 will be playing 3d strategy game?

[pale marsh]

No not like that

[iron anchor]

while us dinosaurs turn it into a horror 3d strategy game?

[pale marsh]

More sandbox survival rpg

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 is trying to recapture and repair human bases for some currently unknown reason

[pale marsh]

But gen2 won't be able to free build
But gen1 I think will

[iron anchor]

will gen 2 players be working together to reform the island to operational condition?

[pale marsh]

If they're smart yes

[bronze zodiac]

Probably to re-establish control of the island

[lethal moat]

Yeah, but we don’t know why

[iron anchor]

damn humans having objectives while dinosaurs are roaming around are gonna be so much fun once thats out

[pale marsh]

Reclaim lost assets and important documents

[lethal moat]

The thing about gen 2, in the most recent Dondi stream, he said that different servers would likely cater to different styles of gameplay for gen 2, so it depends on what you want to do with it

[iron anchor]

are player hypers still planned to happen by a player eating a forbidden food or something that mutates them?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know yet

[pale marsh]

We don't know how strains will be achieved

Almost entirely in the dark on how they'll work on game

[iron anchor]

did that get unconfirmed? wasn't it what was said before or was that just a rumor

[lethal moat]

We don’t know what stuff from legacy gets moved over and what doesn’t

[iron anchor]

oh ok

[lethal moat]

But yes, Gen 1 culture will be a vital bit of lore around the replicator

[bronze zodiac]

Definitely going to be few conflicts between gen 1 and 2

[pale marsh]

More than a few if I have anything to say about it

[fossil nebula]

unless the gen 1s rolling deep i dont think they gonna have an easy time

[pale marsh]

Gen1 have mobility and advantage in close quarters

That's all I need

[fossil nebula]

true there is always that gen two melee specialist tho

[pale marsh]

No
It's been stated
U are not surviving close quarters

[fossil nebula]

I'll take your word for it

[lethal moat]

I’m not sure about close quarters, their size may make it hard to navigate inside, but if it is a place where there are places to hide and space to move, gen 2 has a significant disadvantage

[pale marsh]

If I could figure out how to search dondis name
I'd pull the exact message

[lethal moat]

I’m interested to know if gen 1 will be first person like gen 2 is

[pale marsh]

But it was in response to me asking about gen1 weapons

[bronze zodiac]

Probably a good chance

[pale marsh]

And he responded by saying
A gen2 is not surviving a close encounter like that with a gen1

[fossil nebula]

what if the gen 1 was unarmed against a full healthy gen 2 that knows melee combat well

[lethal moat]

Gen 1, easily

Claws and teeth are better than fists and feet

[pale marsh]

Know anything about Warhammer40k
Gen1 are basically watered down space marines

Gen2 are peak human physique
But still within normal human limits

[fossil nebula]

I just said the gen 2 has some sort of melee being a machete, golf club anyhting like that

[lethal moat]

Iris, can I interest you in a server devoted to finding the isle lore?

[lethal moat]

Still gen 1

[pale marsh]

Hmm space marine isn't a good analogy
The nav'vii are almost 1 to 1

[pale marsh]

Idk why I haven't been asked sooner
Sure

[lethal moat]

I’d say a more brutal version of nav’vii is a good description

[fossil nebula]

leads me to believe guns will be a huge part of gen 2s lmao

like gigantic

[lethal moat]

The ammo is rare tho

[fossil nebula]

otherwise gen 2 is spawn and die

[pale marsh]

U cant always have a functional gun at all times

[lethal moat]

You need to find weapons and then ammo for weapons

[bronze zodiac]

The best hope for a gen 2 in close combat would be a shotgun

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 won’t be easy to play at all

[fossil nebula]

there will be firearm degradation? thats awesome

[pale marsh]

I'm more expecting gen2 to use knifes and crowbars to defend against small animals
Maybe even able to get an Omni off u

[fossil nebula]

def

[pale marsh]

Not confirmed
I was referring to having the right ammo type

But thats possible maybe

[lethal moat]

You don’t spawn with firearms, and they will be hard to find, plus, you might not even want one, because loud noise guarantees more things coming for you

[fossil nebula]

gen 2 may spawn with guns if not close to them since they are based around them, wont be hard to obtain one

[bronze zodiac]

If we are talking about the gens we probably need to talk about the canibals who are related to gen 1 if I remember correctly

[pale marsh]

U mean the eyeless? They're a whole different can of worms

One we know little about

[lethal moat]

They don’t spawn with guns, we know this, and we’ve been told it will be hard to get one fully functional, because guns have insane damage

[fossil nebula]

o

[pale marsh]

Too tall
Gen2 will be up to gen1 shoulders
Stated by dondi iirc

[fossil nebula]

5 to 8 gen 2s to beat a gen 1 in melee combat is tuff

[lethal moat]

Oopsy, grabbed the wrong size comparison

[lethal moat]

Yeah, gen 1s will have technology on their side, but they need to get that technology first

[fossil nebula]

you mean gen 2s but yes

[lethal moat]

I meant gen 2s, but it could apply to gen 1s as well, just lesser technology

[icy onyx]

thank you rumple for reminding us how inhuman the gen-1’s will be-

[lethal moat]

Here’s a more accurate picture (thank you size char addict)

[pale marsh]

Atlal for tribals pls

[lethal moat]

Spook

[lethal moat]

That would be cool

[pale marsh]

My beloved wretched beast

[fossil nebula]

so around 3 gen 2s to kill a gen 1 if they all had a melee weapon and the gen 1 was unarmed

[lethal moat]

I DMd the server invite, also I’ll see if I can make one on my best guesstimate for the unofficial matriarch concept

[lethal moat]

If they got the jump on him, yeah, maybe 4 if gen 1 was ready for it

[fossil nebula]

agreed

[lethal moat]

It’s been great chatting, but I need to write an essay on the political significance of a meme, ping me if anybody asks questions about the matriarch or we get a lore drop

[swift echo]

id love to see someone make a list of AE's crimes

[lethal moat]

As far as I'm aware, they haven't committed any.

[swift echo]

As far as you're aware

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/not-yet-mace-windu-star-wars-gif-9797353

[icy onyx]

Unethical human experimentation

“The 1979 Belmont Report into ethical guidelines for scientific research made informed consent US law and therefore such experiments illegal”

[lethal moat]

Doesn’t count if they aren’t human, gen 1 and gen 2 don’t count because of that, and if they signed a waiver then they knew what was going to happen

[icy onyx]

gen-1 falls under animal experimentation

[lethal moat]

Not if it’s classified as company property and not as an animal, same thing applies to gen 2 as well

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-gif-18046396

[lethal moat]

I’m just gonna explore gateway and find this written on a wall lol:
“If your name is Rumple and you read this, start running.”

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

We are still unaware of the true legality and any legal loop holes Apollo might exist in

[icy onyx]

true

[pale marsh]

I still
Like the idea tgat all creatures made by AE are created from the ground up
And by ground up I mean they even made the DNA artificially

And if that were the case
They'd technically be seperate from the tree of life on earth and could be argued to not be animals

[lethal moat]

That’s my thoughts as well

[pale marsh]

Essentially the dinos are meat robots, synthetic life

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
This sounds more like the case

Hence why not all Dino's are literally what they should be

(minmi literally being a kunbarrasaurs)

[pale marsh]

Yea
Hardly an organism
More highly advanced machines made in the image of life

[bronze zodiac]

Like spino being its constantly changing self

[pale marsh]

Makes me wish for more made up "animals"

Less Omni, more, something entirely alien to life on earth

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder if there would be a lore reason for the dinos they made

[pale marsh]

Idk if there even could be an answer to why dinos specifically

It just seems too arbitrary of a decision in universe

[bronze zodiac]

I mean like specific dinos

[pale marsh]

What I said would still apply,
Honestly more so

Why shant when Edmonto or Para crytocristatus

[bronze zodiac]

Ya like that

There doesn't seem like any sort of pattern of belonging to a certain time period or place I just make me wounder

[lethal moat]

Matriarch

[bronze zodiac]

Reaper echidna colossus

[pale marsh]

Human strains dont count

[bronze zodiac]

I just had a thought multiple type h could easily destabilize a ecosystem I wounder if AE ever thought if all went to crap like assets are going to be taken nothing to stop what's happening if they would let loose type h cretures to destroy all they could

[lethal moat]

Type h doesn’t survive long enough to do that much damage, a lot of damage yeah, but not the whole world,and they aren’t an evil company, they would likely just terminate all the assets

[bronze zodiac]

I meant like the island they are on

[lethal moat]

That’s what hypers do anyway