isle-lore-theories

[low scarab]

I miss phase three

[snow jasper]

I want the isle's ending

imagine they end with a cliffhanger

[low scarab]

That would be too cheap

I need an ending and I think don confirmed it

[snow jasper]

he did

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[low scarab]

Yep he said something along the lines of the lore is completely written and the ending is written to emotionally destroy you

He said leave that one to me to someone talking about “people just trudging on because they have no other choice”

[snow jasper]

it was a twitter pol iirc

[acoustic osprey]

twitter poll and a recent comment here a few months ago

[edgy pike]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[vapid thorn]

whats the lore even exactly about

[tender dock]

👍 ig

[tender dock]

The lore is about dinosaurs doing dinosaur things with humans redacting like 70% of the stuff thats useful

[pale marsh]

I may be over thinking
But this makes me more confident in my "worldwide ecological devastation" idea

[snow jasper]

To be honest, with all the lore we've been given, we don't even know, several people have compiled as much lore as possibly available and we only have asked more questions

[vapid thorn]

i thought so

[low scarab]

I think it would make a lot of sense

Especially when it comes to food why would food production make so much money and be so important to the point the government involves you

But again why tf are they making dinosaurs

[strange shell]

Maybe dinosaurs taste really, really good

[low scarab]

Lol

Don confirmed that’s not the case but if they could bring dinosaurs back why not bring back cows or something then eat them

[lethal moat]

Dinosaur milk

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-milk-puss-in-boots-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-thirsty-quenching-my-thirst-gif-27251412

[lethal moat]

I wonder if there are going to be any sort of cutscenes for the end of the game, or even throughout

[bronze zodiac]

If any probably stuff for humans

[lethal moat]

Right, but cutscenes could be difficult to pull off in a multiplayer survival setting, but it's a though I thought I should bring up.

Just noticed something going through devblog, the pistol is made by Gradic Inc., which is a fictional company, posssibly under the AE umbrella, or just on it's own

[snow jasper]

I just had a looming thought, when the isle does inevitably reach its end and finale, once the ending of the isle is finally reached, most of us are at the age where we'd probably have a family of our own and there's a generational wave of people who are our age now, maybe younger who knows? They'll see the ending not knowing how much the few of us who took the time and waited years and years and years and stuck around for it all to unfold, only for teens to go about making crappy "omg this is so deep" edits of the isle's ending and all we can do is just watch over as how social media ruins precious stuff. Gaming and Social media is a combination I hate to see.
Not a lore lore theory but still a theory based on lore.

[lethal moat]

The isle is still in pre-release, so it'll be interesting to see what new kinds of players we get when it's officially done.

[snow jasper]

every community changes over time, i'm betting you that people who were playing around 2015 time are probably shittting on us atm

[lethal moat]

Yeah, i've only been here for about a year, but the thing is, the isle is going to have a variaty of people looking for the gen1 and gen 2 aspects of the isle, and i'm interested to see how many of them will get sucked into the lore pit

[snow jasper]

I've followed the game since 2015 ever since thegamingbeaver did that one video back when it was going to be a human dinosaur fps shooter but it wasn't until Evrima released in which the lore started to interest me

also when the recode was announced was when i bought the game

[lethal moat]

So I'm looking at the banner for the isle's loading screen and notice a distinct lack of clothing, and elongated limbs, making me think dead man being eaten by raptor is a gen 2 instead of gen 1 like I previously thought

[low scarab]

[low scarab]

I’ve been interested in this games lore ever since the replicator was talked abt

[lethal moat]

Same

[snow jasper]

I just came back to this, D literally says Olympus transmiter, not B

nevermind I take it back

But hades

what do we know about Hades?

pretty typical if you ask me

interesting how Poseidon and Zeus also fit well here

and olympus is the "home of the gods"

I wonder, if this structure will explain something more about this since the layout looks extremely big from what we've seen in concept art

and I wonder if we can use LLLRFL as directions inside

it'd be even more interesting if its in reverse and opposite to show that it was written down in a quick retreat since we know HADES entry is down and the Olympus transmitter is offline
being RFLRRR

[low scarab]

@acoustic osprey I’m too tired to answer

[snow jasper]

that makes me seem like my theorising is a whole bunch of hogwash

dont give me despair

[low scarab]

Basically the 3 gods probably represent the entries to either GUTS or Tartarus highlands - zues underwater - Poseidon underground - hades

[snow jasper]

oh no

no no no

[low scarab]

?

[snow jasper]

auGH

im so out of date

[low scarab]

Lol just wait Isaac will show up to answer everything soon enough

[snow jasper]

eh, i want to beat him one day

[low scarab]

And it gets even more fun when you don’t know what artworks are cannon from tapwing and what is even cannon from legacy : )

[snow jasper]

fun

[lethal moat]

Matriarch concept isn’t canon which both excites and worries me

[low scarab]

What excites me is the fact the matriarch itself is cannon

That thing will be terrifying when in game and I love it

I want nightmares from playing this game

Yk what if that horn sound from dons stream was like a tribal horn

I mean the chances aren’t high it could’ve just been a placeholder but still

[lethal moat]

That’s what I thought

[acoustic osprey]

morse code

[snow jasper]

brr

every time i think i have a lead on lore i always get wronged by things in plain sight overshadowed by my ego

[lethal moat]

Does anybody know if the code running down the screen on the right side of the page when you die has changed? I was playing earlier and I could have sworn I saw something I had not seen before about tracking

[bronze zodiac]

Looks like it has always been to me

[acoustic osprey]

no, it's the same as Legacy

[bronze zodiac]

I wounder do we know were Olympus is located

[acoustic osprey]

which one

Olympus Transmitter and Central Control seem to be on Gateway

however, I presume there is also a "HQ"
In which I doubt is on Gateway

And likely the HQ for Apollo itself, not just Apollo Engineering

[bronze zodiac]

Ok that make scene since from what I remember gate way is temp storage for assets that are being transported to different areas so they probably would need to make their main control Hub where they're also shipping out assets different locales

[lethal moat]

Is it still confirmed that’s what it is or is that our assumption from legacy?

[bronze zodiac]

I don't think it's confirmed but by how the map looks with the rail systems and more prevalent human structures the possibility that Olympus is located at Gateway it would make sense for that to be a major place to store and ship out assets to different locations there might be a decent chance it is

[rigid coral]

no, that's similar to legacy's

i believe this is mostly just a theory

[bronze zodiac]

It is

[lethal moat]

The hexadome looks awfully large to be just a layover facility to go somewhere else

[rigid coral]

which Olympus

[bronze zodiac]

Central control

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, if it's the main Control. It could very much be

however, it is very big.
You'd still want things happening in the biggest space

but, yeah, i doubt it's CC

[lethal moat]

The hexadome itself looks like it’s a quarter of the spiro map

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[bronze zodiac]

Ok tired and dumb random thought this looks like a dome or maybe a major area that seems to be split in 3 major parts and it looks like it can be accessed by all the other areas due to multiple lines leading to an outer layer ok what if the parts are research areas dedicated to the strains if all of them are still cannon or maybe even storage of some of the living specimens in those areas

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[bronze zodiac]

Nice time to spend a bit thinking about why F,JK and l are redacted an what they might be

[lethal moat]

I’m hoping one is the matriarch because imma fanboy

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, might be specialised RnD sites

or just Don trying to get us to question

it may be that the "blacked" areas on the doc is not technically in-lore
just to make us want to go insane with questions

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[bronze zodiac]

Okay I'm looking at what's f is connected to is connected to lodging/rec,transmitter and a viewing platform and I'm trying to figure out what is by what's connected to and the best thing I can come up with is a lab

[lethal moat]

HOLD UP, I'VE GOT SOMETHUING

So

Gen 2 is modified humans right, and F is R/D, so I think it's development for gen 2 and everything related to that is connected to it, but it's also connected to L, which is connected to tartarus, which makes me think L is r/d for Gen 1

[acoustic osprey]

note, Gen2s are likely "post-event"
in terms of whatever happened on the island

and that we don't know if Tartarus is on that map or not

[lethal moat]

I can't think of another reason why a R/D would be connected to all things the would be human oriented, it's just a theory, but I swear my two remaining braincells just rubbed against each other for a second

[acoustic osprey]

well, basically the other site designations are not true Labs

so you can't really have RnD for those things

[bronze zodiac]

Okay best thing I got for k is maybe holding pens for some of the normal cretures due to it being connected to the viewing platform and the Behavioral Science possibly being used for research more up close in a more controlled environment

Not a clue for j and l though

[lethal moat]

Well J, K, L, and F are all r/d, so something is being made there

My two brain cells are telling me F is gen 2 related, K is Gen 1 related, L has something to do with the Replicator, and I'm completely blank on J, thank you for coming to my TED talk

[fathom beacon]

The Isle?

[bronze zodiac]

Anyone have an idea what LLLRFL means

[lethal moat]

Directions

[low scarab]

Anyone know why it was ripped

The map sort of thing

And why are the three entries crossed out

[lethal moat]

The guy who broke protocol had it

[low scarab]

?

[lethal moat]

And that’s just stuff censored by the company

Have you seen incident report?

[low scarab]

Maybe which one

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[low scarab]

Yes I’ve seen that but completely forgot abt it

Cardiac arrest is interesting

What could’ve caused it

[lethal moat]

Personal theory, whatever neuro made the employee do the stuff used electricity to make brain cause cardiac arrest, or something if being covered up within the top secret parts of the company

[low scarab]

Interesting theory

Or maybe it’s a coverup?

Or something like you said induced his cardiac arrest

[bronze zodiac]

I do find it quite odd that they suddenly went into cardiac arrest

[lethal moat]

Always very curious when someone dies under suspicious circumstances in an important situation

[low scarab]

^

[bronze zodiac]

It's definitely Nero related what if it's master mind in the old lore was stated to of been missing

[lethal moat]

Right

[bronze zodiac]

Now that I think of it where is reaper if it is still cannon

[low scarab]

What’s mastermind? The echidna

[bronze zodiac]

Ya

[low scarab]

Was it Apollo that makes food or Apollo engineering

[lethal moat]

Apollo

And all we know is that it somehow started with food, not how it got to where it is at all though

[low scarab]

Do you guys think AE could be fighting for favoritism of the replicator with the tribals

[lethal moat]

That’s my theory, their trying to recapture it

[low scarab]

And the thousand life contract is for someone to be rebirthed and sacrificed a thousand times in an attempt to gain favoritism over the tribals

[lethal moat]

I’m just ignoring things I have no idea, because my two brain cells don’t understand thousand life contract

[low scarab]

Lol

It’s such a good song and a spooky name and I want good lore behind it

I just want to know what it is and who it’s offered to

[lethal moat]

I want to know it all

[low scarab]

Same lol

I want don to appear and drop more lore

Or in another stream, I rlly want more horrifying tree lore/drawings from tapwing

[lethal moat]

I need to see where thousand life contract was revealed so I can see context if I want theories

Oh so many questions

[low scarab]

So many questions with no answers

[lethal moat]

[low scarab]

Don please what is the thousand life contract

[lethal moat]

Also, more replicator stuffs

[low scarab]

You know all the chanting in a lot of isle songs what if that’s like tribal sacrificial chants even though a lot of those songs are old I mean maaayyybbbbeee right

[lethal moat]

I swear to god if I have another Phyrexian incident where I have to learn another language that didn’t exist before in order to learn lore, I’m going to be upset, because I can’t at that point

[low scarab]

Lol

I’ll do anything to learn lore

Maybe that’s the “chance reference”

[lethal moat]

But yeah, tribal and replicator stuff is gonna be cool

[low scarab]

Yea like is there a chance this could be saying something

[lethal moat]

What's that from?

[low scarab]

Tyranic (it was an old battle song)

[lethal moat]

Nice, I imagine it would be more similar to chantinging than a choir

[low scarab]

True but still it could mean something

It sounded similar to a Gregorian chant which is in Greek

Which would make some sense with all the Greek mythology this game uses

[hollow oxide]

So what are the tribals?

man or devil? LOL

[lethal moat]

Gen 1, (presumibly failed experiments) devil

[pale marsh]

Well
First and foremost, this is what they look like

[hollow oxide]

I know how they look...(sadly) I just wasn't sure what they were

[pale marsh]

In terms of answers
We mostly just have theories

[hollow oxide]

So could someone explain to me what the projects are I know gateway other wise I dont know much

[fossil nebula]

mercs/normal humans can join the tribals I bet in the future, as far as gameplay goes, would be just as likely as that design of gen 1s sticking around in stone

[pale marsh]

Given they are gen 1 and the normal humans are gen 2
We can assume gen1 are atleast human in origin (perhaps human genome used as a template)

[lethal moat]

We know very little

[pale marsh]

And both created by AE

[modern rover]

thats not true, gen 2 can't become gen 1

[lethal moat]

What are you on about?

[modern rover]

they're entirely different species

[pale marsh]

Excweese me?

[fossil nebula]

Im only on about gameplay like mixpacking

[modern rover]

what

[pale marsh]

Idk what ur on about but it ain't gameplay

[fossil nebula]

gen 1s and 2s could play together is all

[pale marsh]

That doesn't make gen 2 become gen1?

[fossil nebula]

when they do come out

[hollow oxide]

So did Apolo take DNA samples of humans and make them into what gen 2 is now?

[pale marsh]

We're unsure of Any specific

All theories and presumptions

[fossil nebula]

not really bc idk how a gen2 morphs into a gen1 if they just play together thats all im on about, is a gen 2 could theortically join the gen 1s if they tried and were accepted

Im not trying to make a point lol

[modern rover]

i doubt anything on the island is made via traditional cloning methods

[pale marsh]

So ur rambling about mixpacking and little else?
Anyway

[modern rover]

it's implied that the dinosaurs are less like recreations and more like an original construct based on something

[fossil nebula]

Yeah the possiblities of a gen 1 and 2 teaming up, yeah beyond comprehension I guess

[modern rover]

not so much cloning via DNA, more building a T-Rex based on the skeleton of a T-Rex

[pale marsh]

I assume gen1 atleast were made in the same manor as the dinos

[hollow oxide]

How did apollo found spiro?

[modern rover]

probably owned it

[pale marsh]

It's meaningless to the Convo
This is lore theories
We already know gen1 will kill sacrifice and maybe eat any gen2

[fossil nebula]

Yeah its the wrong place that I agree

[pale marsh]

Apollo is an international mega corporation and presumably very powerful

[hollow oxide]

Is Apollo in control of the dinosurs and gen 1 and gen 2?

[pale marsh]

AE being a company under apollo

[hollow oxide]

or did they lose contol of them?

[modern rover]

they're not in control, but they're responsible for making them

[pale marsh]

AE is responsible for their creatioj
But during the events of the game only really have control of gen2

Gen1 worship the replicator and are probably being manipulated and used by it

[fossil nebula]

Not in control leaves me to still believe apollo is evil

[pale marsh]

Replicator is an AI/machine that makes the dinos? Again we have no specifics and mostly theories and assumptions

[hollow oxide]

I see, and does Apollo have control of the replicator?

[pale marsh]

They used to

[lethal moat]

Not generic evil thjo

[pale marsh]

But not anynore

[fossil nebula]

any kind of evil in mind?

[pale marsh]

Idk if its stated
But I'm of the belief the replicator is the reason for the loss of control and escape of all assets

[hollow oxide]

So the artificial intelligence works on its own? And gains power from sacrifices from gen 1?

[lethal moat]

Dondi said not generic, and he said they were forced into power

[fossil nebula]

ah

[pale marsh]

Seemingly?

[hollow oxide]

Was it someone from Apollo who signed in?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-what-gif-5360186

[hollow oxide]

And is there more islands Apollo owns?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[hollow oxide]

Like gateway?

And what island is the replicator on?

[lethal moat]

We do not know

[hollow oxide]

if its on any

[pale marsh]

I believe so
There's supposed to be another map after gateway

Me we don't really know the nature of the replicator
So can't really answer where it is physically

[hollow oxide]

are the letters maybe islands? Or asset generations?

[pale marsh]

Not sure if it's just an AI that operates devices or the machine itself

[fossil nebula]

lol thatd be weird not likely

[lethal moat]

They are locations

[fossil nebula]

letters being islands that is

[pale marsh]

Where I issaaaaaaccc when u need him
He's the lore guy

[fossil nebula]

true

[hollow oxide]

Apollo has contol of water, weather, ect?

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[hollow oxide]

Who finds the data we know now?

[lethal moat]

The player finds in game

[hollow oxide]

ahh I see and who makes these data reports? Apollo? maybe the replicator?

[lethal moat]

Apollo does

[hollow oxide]

Who signs in? Im not sure how to put it...like who signed into apollo network and got data?

[lethal moat]

Probably an employee like the ones who found the guy

or the guy himself

[hollow oxide]

and who is phonix corp?

[lethal moat]

Not canon anymore

You info is old friend

[hollow oxide]

wdym?

oh

[lethal moat]

Pheonix corp is from before recode and has ties with another thing leading to potential copright issues and such

[hollow oxide]

is Apollo the only company that does this stuff?

[lethal moat]

We think so

[hollow oxide]

How was Apollo keeping all assets in order? and how did they make them?

[fossil nebula]

I never heard of canon info not being canon anymore lol but copyright stuff makes sense

[lethal moat]

Legacy and evrima lore are two differnt things

[fossil nebula]

good to know

[lethal moat]

Forget everything you know

[hollow oxide]

Was apollo using genetic and scientist to make these assets?

[fossil nebula]

I only knew spiro so far but have prob mixed some lagacy in with it by learning

I started playing like 3-4 weeks ago

[lethal moat]

Genetics, yes, but we believe replicator itself makes the things

[hollow oxide]

How did they lose controll of the replicator thats like the main task NOT to lose control of things

LOL

[lethal moat]

Try this stuff, it's like drugs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

[hollow oxide]

Please and thank you LOL😱

[lethal moat]

Big scary reptile

[pale marsh]

Phoenix Corp and magna's were from when the isle and primal carnage were connected

But
As they no longer are

All that stuff is scrapped

[hollow oxide]

are we sure Apollo wasn't evil they would kill people who went and recorded the life on spiro

[pale marsh]

Dondi himself has stated he doesn't want AE to be a generic evil corporation

[hollow oxide]

Ahhh I see

[lethal moat]

They don't kill people

[hollow oxide]

How will they take contol of the assets again? Will they even?

[lethal moat]

They kidnapp and imprison people

[lethal moat]

They are trying to recapture the island in gameplay, so we will see

[hollow oxide]

"There was significant interference with █████ signal, allowing one of the recorded Pachycephalosaurus to kill research crew that was out in the field. Absolutely under NO circumstances should the ████ be interrupted during live research."

I might have read it wrong

[lethal moat]

Old transmitter isn't canon anymore

[hollow oxide]

ohhh

[modern rover]

also, that sounds more like an accident than a purposeful kill

[lethal moat]

Workplace mishap, you signed a waiver

[hollow oxide]

There is a transformational underground system!?

[lethal moat]

GUTs system

Looking forward to exploring it

General
Underground
Transportation

So many questions

All the time

[hollow oxide]

What's it mean version for the dinos? like the gens for the humans and tribals?

[lethal moat]

Possibly different iterations

Or it's talkiong about strains

But let me tell you about or lord and savior the matriarch

[hollow oxide]

alr

Im done reading the document and its very intresting

[hollow oxide]

?

[lethal moat]

On a different note, meet ben: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052757187384053860/1146993768977944607/ben.png, We all love ben

[hollow oxide]

oh yes ben the dilo...well atleast almost the dilo

[lethal moat]

We have no official concept of matriarch, but is perfect, start smol, get big, here is unofficial stuff:

[hollow oxide]

didn't Dondy say that Ben was gonna be in a room or something in Gateway? as a easter egg or something

[lethal moat]

He said he was thinking ahbout it

[hollow oxide]

In one of his streams

[lethal moat]

Anyway: smol little gal:

Grows:

[hollow oxide]

omg what is that?!

hybrid?

[lethal moat]

Matriarch unofficial stuff by the isle's concept creator, be patient, there are 4 more stages

And grows:

And grows:

And get's bigger:

[hollow oxide]

That thing is scary

[lethal moat]

And this is how big it got before it died:

[hollow oxide]

almost like a dragon?

[lethal moat]

My math puts it at a minimum of 150 feet long in last stage

[hollow oxide]

?!

thats so big!

How do you caculate that?

[lethal moat]

Seems pretty average to me 😎

We know nothing about this thing, not even what it looks like, other than that it exists and that it's in tartarus

probably

[modern rover]

that concept art is unofficial, so the matriach could look like anything

and considering the fact it constantly changes form, we have no way of knowing what it looks like

[lethal moat]

In stage 4, it's secondary arms are about half the length of a rex, if we assume that they never grew, that means it has somewhere from 10-15 foot long arms in the last one, which are about 1/15 of total length, 10*15= 150

[hollow oxide]

...

[lethal moat]

Right, we know that it exists and it might be somewhere in tartarus

But it also start smol and grow bigg

[modern rover]

and that gateway leads to tartarus

[hollow oxide]

whats tartarus?

[lethal moat]

Big scary monster pit

[modern rover]

in mythology, a prison for gods and monsters

in this game... essentially the same thing

[hollow oxide]

and where is it?

oh

[lethal moat]

Somewhere beyond gateway, and given what dondi has said, possibly under the island map for gateway itself

[hollow oxide]

wow

[modern rover]

tartarus is where things like strains and AE's horrible, uncontrollable creations fester away from where they can do harm

[hollow oxide]

also does spiro have anything to do with the story?

[lethal moat]

It's being scrapped

[modern rover]

its an island, that's it really

[modern rover]

it may see a rework

[hollow oxide]

LOL so gateway is actually part of the lore

[lethal moat]

New guy, how much do you know about strains?

[hollow oxide]

not spiro LOL

[lethal moat]

As of right now, pretty much

[hollow oxide]

nothing

[acoustic osprey]

Well

Yes
Spiro has some lore
Like Gateway

[hollow oxide]

I have almost 300 hours in the game and im just finding out the lore LOL

[lethal moat]

Diablo, I call dibs on neuro

I get to explain my second favorite AE trademark

[hollow oxide]

It does?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[hollow oxide]

like what?

[acoustic osprey]

Every trail observation video in the Isle official channel

[hollow oxide]

oh

[lethal moat]

Neuro is slimy boy with gobbltyguk brain magic and the spino official one looks like this:

[hollow oxide]

looks kinda cool

[lethal moat]

He has mind control as well as a blindness effect and the rest is speculated: (Telekinesis and control of weather)

[hollow oxide]

Dang, does Apollo maybe use his powers?

[lethal moat]

We do not know, probably not tho

[hollow oxide]

for weather control maybe?

[lethal moat]

Probably not since these things are crazy smart and also murdery

[modern rover]

Type-H (Hyperendocrin) = Colossal, armoured giant variants of the animals that heal rapidly and starve faster. They more than often die to their own metabolism than any predator, considering a Hyperendocrin rex can weigh several times more than a regular rex and there exists essentially nothing that can match their power.

Type-N (Neurotenic) = Creature capable of far superior mental capabilities. Known to manipulate their surroundings with their minds, able to cause disruptions in electrical fields, disabling human defences, as well as cause mental interferences.

Type-T (Tissoplastic) = We know the least about this one, but what we do know is they have incredible camoflague capabilities and are notably smaller than their unmutated counterparts.

Type-O (Unknown) = All we know is it exists

[acoustic osprey]

Well
Type O might not exist now

From Dons reply recently

[lethal moat]

Yeah, scrapped, maybe something else, maybe not

[hollow oxide]

Whats a hyperendocrin look like same with the others?

[acoustic osprey]

Large
And plated

[lethal moat]

Hyper is actually the only one with up to date concept art

[hollow oxide]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[hollow oxide]

Looks pretty cool

[lethal moat]

Indeed

[hollow oxide]

very strong too?

[lethal moat]

But matriarch superiority, forever and always

[modern rover]

it's entire thing is strength

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah

[hollow oxide]

lol

[modern rover]

it literally cannot be beaten by any regular animal from what we know

[hollow oxide]

Will these dinosaurs ever be playble?

[modern rover]

the only thing that can kill a hyper is another hyper, or its own body

[modern rover]

that seems to be the plan

[hollow oxide]

How will anything live?

[modern rover]

evasion

[lethal moat]

They starve super fast

[hollow oxide]

like troodons and tenos LOL

[modern rover]

i mean, they'd likely just outrun it

i'd be more concerned for the apexes

[lethal moat]

Troodons aren't even worth their time of day tbh

[hollow oxide]

Stegos would be a joke to it LOL

[lethal moat]

Matriarch is ultra adaptable though, so you aren't safe, wherever you are

[hollow oxide]

jeez

[modern rover]

I mean, stego is already a joke to regular rex so I believe that

[lethal moat]

Yep

Stegos aren't playable on officials in the future though

[hollow oxide]

really?

[modern rover]

yea, because rex is being added to unofficials

[hollow oxide]

oh

[lethal moat]

No playable apex on officials

[modern rover]

and because stego needs a metric ton of buffs to be able to compensate for that, it's being moved to unofficials too

along with a bunch of rex-ready new attacks and stats to make it not die

[hollow oxide]

same with dienos?

[lethal moat]

Deinos stay

[modern rover]

apparently not, god forbid

[lethal moat]

They are regionally locked

[modern rover]

i really don't know WHY deinos are staying

especially while stegos are leaving

[hollow oxide]

I guess to not make the game too easy

[modern rover]

since that means literally nothing will stand a chance against them and they can just kinda rule everything

[hollow oxide]

true

[lethal moat]

Apex will still be there, just AI

[modern rover]

ehhhh

really hoping that's not the case

[lethal moat]

There is a lot more water on gateway, and semiaquatics (when released) will kill off smaller deinos

[acoustic osprey]

Let's hope Hypers will actually die even if they're constantly fed

[hollow oxide]

yeah lol

[lethal moat]

Doom music starts playing

[modern rover]

i hope the combination of starvation + their sheer body mass will essentially make them entirely unsustainable

hell, give them the cera thing where they have to eat considerably more than other animals their size to be full

just really solidify the starvation thing

[hollow oxide]

The Isle is so intresting I am really glad I bought this game before

[acoustic osprey]

Zamn

[lethal moat]

Gateway should fix some food problems

[acoustic osprey]

I hope theirs a rough internal "timer"

In reference to hunger drain increases

[hollow oxide]

Hypers wont be on officials right?

[modern rover]

they may be

[hollow oxide]

also will quetz be on officials?

[acoustic osprey]

May
I presume likely

[lethal moat]

Possibly

[modern rover]

its possible a more completed roster will have apexes on officials

[acoustic osprey]

This is what I'm hoping

[lethal moat]

We don't know much about future other than roadmap

[acoustic osprey]

That they just want to have an apex for NOW

[hollow oxide]

the tenos arent apex right?

[lethal moat]

nonono

[hollow oxide]

ok

[lethal moat]

He smol

[hollow oxide]

LOL

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hollow oxide]

Will Ben be playble?

if so... on officials?

[lethal moat]

Probably not

Just easter egg for ben

[hollow oxide]

ok

[lethal moat]

Let's hear it for John Cake everyone

[fossil nebula]

Type-N plateo would be scary, imagine it using a handgun lmao

[hollow oxide]

Anything else about the lore I should know?

[acoustic osprey]

Almost certainly no

Excluding mods

[lethal moat]

Only larger carnivores get strains last I checked

[acoustic osprey]

Read my lore doc?

[hollow oxide]

yeah

[fossil nebula]

Ah ok

[acoustic osprey]

Nice nice

[lethal moat]

I got you isaac 🤜

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-milkshake-drink-it-up-there-will-be-blood-daniel-day-lewis-gif-15323848

[lethal moat]

mmm, dinosaur milk

[hollow oxide]

...

[lethal moat]

It makes me uncomfortable every time I say it

[hollow oxide]

lol

[lethal moat]

Also: Humans don't stand a chance against dinos unless they have bullets, which will be rare

But bullets are going to be realistic and rip through almost everything

[fossil nebula]

tho idk as Ive seen tissoplastic or type-T art of steg or anky I forgot but those prob arnt canon I guess?

or official

[lethal moat]

Tapwing does a ton of unofficial stuff, but she does make sick art

[fossil nebula]

Thats awesome

[hollow oxide]

Thank yall for updating me on the Isle lore it was very kind 🙂

[fossil nebula]

Same

[lethal moat]

Oh, replicator: Scary Ai that makes dino and convinced gen 1 to worship it and sacrafice stuff to it

[hollow oxide]

I knew that from earlier

[lethal moat]

Gud

[hollow oxide]

😄

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Outdated doesn’t mean removed, could just be changed, let me hope

[acoustic osprey]

honestly, remove it

until he learn more about the potential "O Strain/Variant"

i say it's better to keep the three

Three is a good number.

[steel summit]

ben

[low scarab]

What does the replicator do for the tribals

And why are changes it makes to people like the different mutations and stuff so desirable could it have something to do with the worlds state?

[low scarab]

So cute

[strange shell]

Who doesn't want to be monke ?

[low scarab]

U mean who doesn’t want to get mutated into some freaky evil monster human

[sage fox]

YEAAAAHH

[maiden sundial]

To the eyes of the tribals aka gen 1 they're being blessed by their god.

[low scarab]

I mean they are fighting for favoritism of the replicator

With ae

[bronze zodiac]

What If the replicator is how canibals made

[maiden sundial]

It is how the dinosaurs. And the eyeless are made I believe.

[kindred bobcat]

I thought guts world be like trains n stuff

[sonic rampart]

It probably is in some areas

It's an underground transport system, hell it could include waterways too

[kindred bobcat]

I had a mental image of alien isolation kinda transport system

[pseudo fable]

Sevastopol had little metros for people and conveyor belts for cargo, if memory serves. Different lanes for each.

Wouldn't be how it works here.

[maiden sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[kindred bobcat]

Will it be more like driving/walking(for now?) through a cave and maybe even water ways as superlunary said?

Is the monorail stuff diffent? That we saw a pic of with a dibble Infront of it

[pseudo fable]

I doubt GUTS would ever have functional transportation that's built in and people occasionally start to creep on the idea of what it is.

GUTS is just tunnels with paths that humans could have at least walked down. GUTS stops the moment you enter topside open space. The metro itself is not part of GUTS.

[kindred bobcat]

I see i feel like guts is just a way to appare and dissapere on different parts of the map in a quicker and safer manner

[pseudo fable]

No? Just the various underground methods of moving around.

Nothing is quicker or safer. It could be argued the opposite.

[kindred bobcat]

Interesting i guess the best way to understand it is to wait until i can walk around in it

[low scarab]

Next time don appears somebody better ping me

[ionic sable]

Same goes for me

[lethal moat]

I was asleep.

[acoustic osprey]

Is it no longer a combination of caves and tunnels?

Ah, pinged on reply. Sorry

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah
We've always assumed from previous Don quotes that the monorail system won't work

[lethal moat]

Guts and monorail tunnels are different then, very interesting

[pale marsh]

Can't wait to get dinos too big to be in GUTS stuck inside it :3

[acoustic osprey]

Interlinked

But not in of the same thing

As monorails go outside into open space

[acoustic osprey]

Let's just see how big the final tunnels are first

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm nothing is quicker or safer, so why underground? Either because the destination is also subterranean or GUTS needs to not be seen from above ground

[pale marsh]

Im hoping their cramped

Honestly i want nothing larger than an Omni or dilo

[acoustic osprey]

I presume underground allows less interaction with the Dinos

But, GUTS is the tunnel system

So it will is technically see from up to
Just that's only the tunnel entrances

Or any "on the ground" building that have staircase

[patent ginkgo]

Potentially, though from what don said it sounds like they won’t be accessible by dinos anyway

[pale marsh]

It's safer in that it's kinda hidden
Dangerous in that if u encounter another dino (or tribal?)
You have little room to maneuver and escape

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
We know open tunnels exist

[patent ginkgo]

True

Maybe there’ll just be a caved in area or gate

[acoustic osprey]

I heavily doubt that

[patent ginkgo]

Or maybe they go to a locked subterranean hub?

[pale marsh]

I wonder if the game will punish players for firing guns in an enclosed space

[lethal moat]

Deafening would be cool

[pale marsh]

Para will seemingly do the same thing?
Would be a nice detail
Especially in the tunnels

[acoustic osprey]

We know from Vis and Don, and through images and art, that the entrances from monorail and non-monorail tunnels will be open

[acoustic osprey]

It'd be interesting to test

Sounds borderline tedious for the player

[pale marsh]

Hmm. So so. Could depend on the gun and gear u have

Maybe headgear could muffle/protect from sound "attacks" such as para and gun fire

Silencers (for small sidearms [even then ld rather no silencers])

[patent ginkgo]

Speaking of guns

Gradic

[pale marsh]

Or
M-29 Davy Crockett

It'll be perfectly balanced and lore friendly

[patent ginkgo]

Very

[patent ginkgo]

But what do we think about gradic inc, the company making the pistol for Apollo?

[lethal moat]

I need more

[lethal moat]

Hyper just bites it

[pale marsh]

Hyper vs nuclear weapons

[patent ginkgo]

Hyper wins

It can just quickly heal genetic damage as it happens

[pale marsh]

Yah know
That gave me an idea

What if hypers are effectively just "tamed" and controlled cancer

[lethal moat]

That's something along the lines what I'm thinking

[pale marsh]

Rapid cell growth, but, it doesn't kill you (as fast)

[lethal moat]

Right

[patent ginkgo]

Deadpool moment

But yeah, basically super regen, so far at the cost of hunger

[pale marsh]

Realistically speaking hypers should be putting off EXTREME levels of heat
And not because of size

[patent ginkgo]

Hmm I just had another idea… what if the current choice of food plants plus the new bananas can tell us something lore related?

[pale marsh]

Well not just size

[lethal moat]

Missle lock

[patent ginkgo]

True, they could be an experiment with biological cooling mechanisms as well

Or that’s what Tartarus is for, geothermically cooling the area around a hyper

If it’s underground

[lethal moat]

Might be a nice side effect

[pale marsh]

Perhaps but nonetheless the Regen going as extreme as it would and the chemical reactions within it's body. Would Jack up it's own body temp by alot

(personally I'd like it be a small detail thing. Like footprints left by hypers being scorched black)

[patent ginkgo]

Ooh heat tolerance experiment for a warming planet

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-thats-hot-cool-amazed-gif-13488740

[pseudo fable]

It is, but I left the verbiage open intentionally because there may be more depending on how players take to it.

[low scarab]

[sage fox]

[patent ginkgo]

Interesting

Part of GUTS that isn’t just caves and tunnels

Or other subterranean systems or places

[grand sigil]

If not caves and tunnels what else would it be if underground tho

[patent ginkgo]

Tartarus???

Or smth else

Who knows but the lore master himself

[static mesa]

graboids

graboids are underground

https://tenor.com/view/omg-popcorn-thumbs-up-thumbs-down-tremors-gif-22329059

[low scarab]

I need Tartarus

[patent ginkgo]

Let’s let one map get finished before the next tho

[low scarab]

Lol

[patent ginkgo]

Hey maybe the way spino looks is because it was like an early version of a hyper

Just a thought

[pale marsh]

I threw that idea around a while ago
Dondi shot it down

[patent ginkgo]

Dang

[wicked brook]

OMG it’s been forever since I’ve seen that movie 👍

[lethal moat]

I imagine GUTs is going to be flooded with nocturnal predators during the day

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ares-god-of-war-xwp-xena-warrior-princess-kevin-tod-smith-gif-17572538

[lethal moat]

*walks up to a hyper
My friend Isaac says hi
Monch

[acoustic osprey]

Hi

[lethal moat]

So GUTs are a bunch of (potentially connected and individual) tunnels, I wonder exactly how widespread they are

[bronze zodiac]

I imagine it might connect to multiple outpost all throughout the map

[lethal moat]

Bro I’m going to make a how to infiltrate human structures 101 video, it’s gonna be sick

[acoustic osprey]

From how Vis described it, it'll be either mostly or completely connected throughout the whole map

[lethal moat]

Sounds like fun

[fossil nebula]

https://media.tenor.com/teIaMAQYeaMAAAAC/the-isle-the-isle-humans.gif

[lethal moat]

Smol boi is sneaky

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it would make sense
if you have a transportation-based tunnel system
You'd want mostly all the tunnels, if not all, to be connected

[modern rover]

if you need to get from Point A to B, that doesn't work if the path there only goes halfway after all

[acoustic osprey]

practically lol

[lethal moat]

How flabbergasted would you be to encounter hyper quetz in a GUTs tunnel

[modern rover]

i mean... what's he gonna do

man's really screwed up his gameplan

[lethal moat]

Pecc

[modern rover]

yea and i'm going to leave because his one thing (flying) is not a thing anymore

[lethal moat]

Anything smaller than a carno is best keeping distance, but anything else might size up

[pale marsh]

I'd really hope GUTS is too cramped to accommodate for even a normal quetz

[modern rover]

i'd hope GUTS is somewhere I can live my goblin Troo life

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-dark-darkness-night-time-gif-25457112

[snow jasper]

what if we get an ending without a story

[lethal moat]

Upsetti spaghetti

[snow jasper]

i mean, i think if the ending is devastating, and we get the story to be emotional, then it'll add to the devestation

[lethal moat]

But what if I'm here for scary reptile monster?

[snow jasper]

yes

[low scarab]

Is a mature matriarch aquatic or was that just tapwing doing fan art/speculation stuff

[static mesa]

i think the matriarch will be what ever it wants probably

[low scarab]

True but we know it has different stages

[lethal moat]

So do normal Dino’s

[pale marsh]

Matriarch doesn't really have any one true form

Kinda amorphous at best, or just, always in a state of change

[low scarab]

Well it literally changes itself from one animal to the next

[lethal moat]

Ok, but everything has life stages

[raw wyvern]

its true

they dug the tunnels btw (real lore)

[static mesa]

i knew it

[bronze zodiac]

Part of me wounders what events lead to Apollo to create the dinosaurs because weren't they primarily a pharmaceutical company

[raw wyvern]

dinosaurs are cool duh

[lethal moat]

They started out making food

[lethal moat]

I wonder if gen 1 are going to have a war paint sort of thing you can do and if gen 2 are going to have some sort of patch system for different units because I am too big of a nerd to not wonder

[modern rover]

i mean, doubting the whole units thing

[strange shell]

I think warpaints for Gen 1 are kinda soft-confirmed
As for patches for Gen 2, it's not even certain wether they're gonna have any form of organization

[modern rover]

on account on not being mercs

warpaint seems logical though

[fossil nebula]

Would be cool to see diff face paint for diff types of tasks that gen 1s would be doing, scouts, village sentries and raid parties for food and supplies, and base/village management. could be cool since gen 2s are getting something similar, but patches like rumple said

[modern rover]

i mean

i'd imagine gen 1 would just kinda do whatever it wants

same with gen 2

like, what's stopping you from getting bored of building a house so you decide to beat a dryo to death

same thing with gen 2, you could spend your time repairing bases, or go around looking for loot

i dont think we need face paint or patches to decide the sole thing we're allowed to do

[fossil nebula]

I agree, but it would be interesting none the less usuing facepaint to discern what someones role was, and could be changed on the fly, not saying this can and should happen but it could be a thing, and yeah like I said I agree the paint shouldn't cut off access to certain actions, and maybe the facepaints could be interchanged, but this is all speculation as we really need to know and see what humans will be able to do ingame wise

[modern rover]

i mean, i just feel facepaint should be cosmetic and nothing more

like, i don't personally agree with "roles" for humans, just do what you want

[fossil nebula]

Overall I agree just thought it was cool thought rumple brought up, facepaint is cool no matter how its put ingame lol

[lethal moat]

I think it would be interesting to have that level of customization, where you can either create your own patch or associate stereotypes with people who use a certain patch, just a sleep deprived thought

[modern rover]

I mean, I just don't see why they'd have a patch in the first place lol

[rustic urchin]

tribal tattoos could be cool

or like scarring

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, anything tribal art would be great

[acoustic osprey]

Erm, it's a nice little pseduo dimorphism for roles!

It'd be fine for role-play
Wouldn't really matter much for actual gameplay honestly

Like, global chat exists
And maybe even a VoIP for Tribals too

[rustic urchin]

player controlled art would be mostly for fun/expression/roleplay yea

would be fun to be able to personalize your tribal character with your own tattoos and facepaint and stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Fun until 😊

[low scarab]

Yea certain people will get a little too creative with their art

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-gif-10585325

[low scarab]

[trail dew]

DD

[lethal moat]

That’s why I think several premade would also work and just give certain players or groups a stereotype

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[modern rover]

this ain't lore

[golden stump]

like right now

[sonic rampart]

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[lethal moat]

It could be if there are different units of gen 2 designated to specific tasks on the island, protection, reclamation, that sort of thing, no differance in gameplay, but have different roles on the island in the lore.

[modern rover]

i mean, pretty sure they just exist without knowing why but to repair

like they exist to fix and that's it

[mellow solstice]

What if gateway had a lab of a hypo or neuro mosa Or some aquatic creature

[strange shell]

You mean hyper mosa ?

[mellow solstice]

Sure

[lethal moat]

I think tartarus is beneath gateway, and there are probably at least some sort of aquatic labs since we kinda sorta have confirmation of aquatic species

[strange shell]

Well then it'd be pretty safe from sea-based invasions I guess

[lethal moat]

Watch as the neuro mosa swims through the air

[mellow solstice]

It could be dead and maybe a skeleton but you can see it somewhere

[strange shell]

I'd rather imagine people in a boat going about near gateway when a big cloud passes over them
But since it's getting pretty dark they look up and it's not a cloud but the upper jaw of a hyper mosa
Probably exaggerated tho...

[strange shell]

Hmmm kinda like the Island Walker, but in the sea ?
That'd be a sight to see

[lethal moat]

Reminds me of unofficial matriarch concept art, let me find it

[strange shell]

dw I know them all

[mellow solstice]

Do we know what’s this company that owns all these structures of gateway?

[strange shell]

Apollo Engineering

They're basically a fast food brand

[lethal moat]

I actually gave my laptop a concerned look

[maiden sundial]

And a genetics industry. And a pharmaceutical company

[strange shell]

Yeah, like all fast food brands nowadays

[lethal moat]

They dabble in pretty much everything, as the larger corperation

[mellow solstice]

It be cool to see helicopters flying by The gateway building

[lethal moat]

Which one, there are many, and yeah, helicopters are going to be cool

Would be hilarious if the docks were also a nesting grounds tho, constant barrage against the humans

[strange shell]

That's probably gonna happen once Gen 2 have access to vehicles

[pale marsh]

Yo

Tartarus being a massive aquifer beneath you the island sound sick

[strange shell]

Shoot the babies ! I repeat, shoot the babies ! Don't let them take over !

[lethal moat]

I found it anyway

[strange shell]

nice

[lethal moat]

Whatever you do, don't go to the basement and stay inside and lock the doors at night

[lethal moat]

Dondi said something about figuring something with unreal engine so spaces beneath the island would work better, can't find it, my source: trust me bro, I saw it here somewher

[lethal moat]

What if humans get some sort of companion that can sniff, like a German shepherd or something

[pale marsh]

Ok but what if the dog dies

[static mesa]

No dog deaths pls

[lethal moat]

It’s part of the story

[bronze zodiac]

Then it's jhon wick time

[static mesa]

I don't like that story

Kill all the ppl no dogs

[lethal moat]

Just imagine it starts barking while a rex is in bushes nearby

[static mesa]

[bronze zodiac]

Ok random thought what lead to the idea of the strains

[lethal moat]

I just think a dog that can lead you to bodies or let you know when something nearby is cool

[pale marsh]

Would have to ask dondi cuz that's been a thing for a very long time

[lethal moat]

*copy
We do not know
*paste

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-dog-eat-devour-trex-gif-16761056

[low scarab]

Don cooking up stuff of nightmares to make this a horror game ig

I’m hyped for strains but I don’t see them coming soon

[severe raft]

Imagine if they researched the genes for certain characteristics for the hypers

[lethal moat]

Strains are definitely purposeful

[severe raft]

Yeah

[lethal moat]

We know they have some purpose not related to military

[pale marsh]

It's medicinal

We KNOW strains are used for medicinal purposes

I believe dond even confirmed what each strains was used for specifically

Or atleast that tissos were for tissue/limb regrowth

[bronze zodiac]

nero to help with brain stuff

[low scarab]

But why do they need that kind of weird medical stuff

Unless the world is in that bad of shape

Also what’s the chance reference dondi talked abt

[pale marsh]

Given AE was a end world hunger agricultural company at first
Creating super medicine isn't exactly a crazt concept

[lethal moat]

Just the next step I guess

Always looking forward to next lore drop though

[low scarab]

Again ping me if don appears

But we rlly need to know why they made dinosaurs in the first place

[lethal moat]

You ask about that, I’m asking about the replicator and the matriarch

[low scarab]

I gotta ask abt thousand life contract my life isn’t complete until I know what it is what it’s for who it’s for what it does and how can you live more than one life

And how tf the replicator makes things live

[static mesa]

i know how

[swift crown]

Guys I have a crazy theory

What if…

The lore has dinosaurs in it?

[lethal moat]

We have too many questions to be answered in a single lore drop. 😔

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus

[wanton cloud]

we need more lore of this game

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-smirk-smug-okay-gif-22271114

[wanton cloud]

What if the hypos are Dinosaurs that were experimented by the humans back then but it gone wrong and now they are roaming the legacy world.

[modern rover]

hypers are a type of "strain" and are indeed an animal genetically modified by humans

there are 3 strains we know of

the massive hyper
the super-intellegent neuro
and the shapechanging tisso

[wanton cloud]

But where did they come from? Did they just grew naturally? From space?

[modern rover]

The Replicator, the machine that makes all the dinosaurs

Or it's a "strain plant" shown in several concepts that dinosaurs can interact with

Strains often can't grow naturally because they are, by nature, completely unsustainable

Hypers starve at massively accelerated rates

[median shuttle]

Is there any video that condenses Isle Lore a bit or anywhere I can read abt it? I'm totally out of the loop except for apollo engineering being a company

[modern rover]

there's a document in pins if you'd like a start

[median shuttle]

Thanks a lot

[modern rover]

it's fragmentary but up to date and contains accurate info (from what we know atm)

[acoustic osprey]

Note

First document, my one, is supposed to be all "up to date"

The one Hell Shade has is more archival, with legacy lore

[worn ember]

I worked hard to reach 70% growth as Carno, and my pc turned off by itself

Then i log in, i lost all my data...

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat, and the servers were wiped

[worn ember]

This happened before 1 hour, after the patching

Sorry didn't know it's wrong chat

[lethal moat]

Maybe your dino died before it logged out in game since there is 5 minute timer

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068332886077490/1149869612339568650/NEgtAeDm.gif

[worn ember]

I was alone in the server, and my dino wasn't hungry or thirsty

[lethal moat]

You never know

[acoustic osprey]

it's ok

[pale marsh]

Lore!

[severe raft]

Man when is MatPat gonna make a lore video for The Isle

[acoustic osprey]

search up Lightclaw

HE will do it for him

[steel summit]

i always forget what that giant skeleton in the lake was, i know it wasnt the matriarch but i forget exactly what it was

nvm i got it: Island Walker

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

Island Walker

[steel summit]

thanks

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068332886077490/1149869612339568650/NEgtAeDm.gif

[west pelican]

What do y'all think the isle skull in the logo is?

[modern rover]

probs a rex lets be honest

[swift echo]

rex and human

[icy onyx]

ai generated dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

Legitimately a likely theory

And one of my favorites

[swift echo]

replicator go brrrr

[bronze zodiac]

i wounder if there are creatures that are multiple strains and if not is there a reason why

[lethal moat]

Matriarch supremacy

[acoustic osprey]

well, there were 12 reapers in Legacy lore

[swift echo]

probably more than just a single asset of each of the species of Hypers, though I'd assume they would be extremely expensive to legally clone (replicator winking rn). plus they'd be very high maintenance because of how quickly they starve. just keep em as embyros in a distant lab.

[bronze zodiac]

I mean like a mix of the strains like a hypo nero spino

[acoustic osprey]

hybrids?

[bronze zodiac]

Kind of

Imagine how terrifying a creture with the power and savagery of a hypo and the abilities and intelligence of a nero

[lethal moat]

Personally, I doubt it, at that point just become an admin or mod the game

[lethal moat]

Also, you just described the matriarch, not to fanboy or anything.

[acoustic osprey]

i mean

[lethal moat]

I’m not entirely wrong

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

[lethal moat]

It doesn’t have the telepathic abilities of the neuro. ~That we know of~ but other than that I’m mostly right

And we don’t know what happens if it feeds on something with a strain

[swift dagger]

I remember there being talk of the strains being used medicinally, which interests me. Tisso was used for arm & tissue regrowth, and neuro for brain conditions, but what could hypo be used for?

[modern rover]

hypers can be used for muscle growth, physical regeneration, hormone regulation, so on

hypers both have incredible regenerative abilities and their name "hyperendocrin" refers to the endocrine system

[acoustic osprey]

hence endocrine

[swift dagger]

I myself always considered the possibility of using the hyper strain as a sort of "super steroid" that people could use to get ripped quick. Much less medicinal in the same way the others would be used though.

[modern rover]

they likely COULD be used for that

but idk if they would

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, iirc, steroids are connected to hormones

[modern rover]

muscular recovery would be an incredibly good application tbh

as well as hormone regulation

wounded internals could also be treated by the regenerative properties of the hyper

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, less regulation
more so just extension

being, 'hyper' endocrin
I don't believe they have much of a choice what they can regulate or not

just that "it's more"

[swift dagger]

Speaking of strains, the echidna, reaper, and colossus were all humans changed by their respective strains right? Or are they unique creatures instead of being an existing animal infected by a strain?

[acoustic osprey]

in legacy, yes

(the former)

[modern rover]

matriarch is the only creature we know that's basically just a living strain, most other things are mutated versions of existing animals

[acoustic osprey]

biomass thing

[swift dagger]

The matriarch is canon?

[acoustic osprey]

in correlation/connected to the Tissos

[modern rover]

from what we know, yea

[acoustic osprey]

aye, re-canonised

[swift dagger]

Interesting.

I always liked the uniqueness of the matriarch but found it dissapointing that it wasn't canon.

[acoustic osprey]

and now it's back!

[swift dagger]

I hope they make more unique monsters for the game, I'm not sure how they would function and I doubt this is the right channel to discuss it.

[acoustic osprey]

this is the only channel, truly.
(or #isle-discussion )

[swift dagger]

Oh, I guess I should get to blabbering then.

I believe I remember seeing fanmade concepts in the fanart channel for these aberrated creatures, I believe one of them were called molemen but I likely am not recalling it correctly. I found them quite interesting. Let me see if I can find them.

[lethal moat]

Ben

[swift dagger]

I am familiar with ben but its not the one I'm thinking of. Currently seeing if I can find it.

Alr, couldn't find it unfortunately.

I still wonder how creatures would work gameplay wise. I do imagine more unique creatures being playable, but you would get a relatively uncommon chance at spawning as one. They'd likely be as rare as strains, if anything just very elusive.

I dunno.

[plucky nest]

Monkey

[swift dagger]

Primate

[topaz sluice]

My theory In the isle you play as, here me out. Dinosaurs

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[topaz sluice]

ill fight you

gets into comically accurate fighting position

[lethal moat]

Don't forget gen 1 and gen 2, as well as the fact that the dinosaurs are technically not real dinosaurs

[topaz sluice]

[swift dagger]

bit of a stretch here but I think you also like, survive as them too.

[topaz sluice]

i also think it takes place on an island, but hey that's just a theory... A GAM- i get crushed by a comically large piano

[swift dagger]

Is injured in a (very humorous) slapstick fashion (Please Laugh)

[lethal moat]

I wonder if the replicator is going to be able to communicate with dinosaurs like it can seemingly communicate with gen 1, also if there are multiple places it can create things, if not more than 1 replicator itself.

[steel summit]

It is an ai so maybe

[lethal moat]

So many questions

[pale marsh]

Little to no answers

[lethal moat]

For now

[silent portal]

I'm just gettimg back to the isle so maybe I'm a little dated BUT is it possible the strain colossuses made the replicator/ vice versa and are maybe alien in origin, explaining why dinosaurs are on some random island, meaning that the replicator took some time to get here and believed that non avian dinosaurs were still present?

[strange shell]

Nah it's the opposite, AE/the replicator made the strains

[silent portal]

Oh it's already confirmed? Do we know what the colossuses and the matriarch are?

[strange shell]

Not really
It's still not 100% sure Colossus is still canon (although pretty likely, albeit it might be re-designed)

[silent portal]

Oh my apologies. Perhaps I do need to need to educate myself on the lore, I've found youtube videos but they're all like 5 years old

[pale marsh]

Matriarch isn't a strain but I think but might be atleast linked to one? Or not at all
Could be completely independent

[strange shell]

It's hypers not hypos
And hypers are still coming

[silent portal]

Any word on the other 2? Neuros/thilisso? (Probably spelled wrong)

[strange shell]

Neuro is still coming
Tisso is being reworked

[silent portal]

You my friend are a skeleton and a scholar, i shall name my hyper beipiaosaurus after you

[strange shell]

You have my thanks, Tidaltyrant4494xantibody.

[lethal moat]

Yeah, anything from more than a year or two is probably outdated, may I recommend Isaac's summary of our general knowledge so far. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing

[silent portal]

Tiamat all mighty do I get college credit for how big this is?

[lethal moat]

It's average sized

[low scarab]

This should be englands next queen

[lethal moat]

I want to know exactly how smart it is first

[low scarab]

Gotta at least be smart enough to run a country right

[lethal moat]

At minimum, if not superhuman

[acoustic osprey]

And The Replicator sees all

[lethal moat]

I'll make something like that next

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/979068332886077490/1149869612339568650/NEgtAeDm.gif

[acoustic osprey]

the only issue I have with Humans (both Humans, Tribals and Eyeless)
is that they have no true gameplay loop
yeah, sure, "fix bases"

but... is that it?

it's lacklustre to say the least
Why play if their actual gameplay will just be shoot shoot? Because, people may certainly find "fixing bases" very boring

i'd say, it's my biggest issue with being a huge backer for having humans (both actual and monstrous) in The Isle

[strange shell]

Well it's not like dinos have a more complex or interesting gameplay loop either

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it's a lot more than "go to building and fix it"

there's literally the whole aspect of growing

[strange shell]

It's "go to food and eat it"
It's just a different animation

[acoustic osprey]

from nestling to elder
into strain

[strange shell]

Humans gather gear too

That's the gameplay loop of every survival game, and it works fine

[acoustic osprey]

Start -> Find diet food -> Grow -> Grow to Elder & forfeit for reward / Nest -> Have a child -> Default (grow to Elder and forfeit)

it's a lot more than
Start -> Find gun / building -> Find building / gun -> Fix building

[strange shell]

Why do you exclude finding food and surviving from the human gameplay loop ?

[acoustic osprey]

i'll remove survive
but humans don't have a diet

[strange shell]

They still need to eat

[acoustic osprey]

that's not diet

[strange shell]

Well they're still gonna have limited food options

[acoustic osprey]

you'd still find food by default for both Humans and Dinos

[strange shell]

Not sure humans will be able to eat raw sunchoke roots...

[acoustic osprey]

difference between Diets being actually needed for Dinos to progress
and humans so they don't starve

[steel summit]

human survive until it die, thats the gameplay loop, nothing special but its there

[acoustic osprey]

it's lacklustre and small, way too small.
You will see people just route to TheHunter Primal lifestyle quite quickly

[strange shell]

Also, tyhe "fixing bases" part could be a lot more complex than you imagine
It's definitely not just gonna click repeatedly on a broken part with a hammer in hand until the entire base is pristine

[acoustic osprey]

I understand trying to, in which I support, creating an ecosystem and lifestyle where Humans DON'T need to kill

[acoustic osprey]

if I want to fix bases, I can play house flipper

[steel summit]

yep, it is lackluster and small, human gameplay needs player interaction for actual non-boring gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

if you have to default to multiplayer interaction in a game that's a survival game (not sandbox) in design and base
then you have failed as a survival game

[strange shell]

You may have to find parts to start a generator, which in turns allows you to use advanced crafting stations to make better gear, that you can use to go to more dangerous places and collect other components to activate security systems, and then unlock access to a different place that also needs fixing in a different way, but holds better loot and a lot of juicy lore

[acoustic osprey]

heck, even games leaning towards "sandbox" (like SoT) still have a present gameplay loop

[steel summit]

for the dinos yeah, but for humans its different, human playstyle is survival but it is horror survival, humans are lackluster and thye need more things but they're gameplay isnt like dinos

[acoustic osprey]

in which such thing, being that you must base build/fix, will far by less be a priority
even if it does hold better "loot", those players, if they see no need to progress a less "merc go kill kill" mentality, will just play to kill

like how dinos find diets then afk or just go on a killing rampage

I, by no means, believe that dino gameplay loop is any solid
because it's not. It's missing aspects and needs fixes.

in which, for me, turns me down from playing the game much.

[acoustic osprey]

truly comes down to if the devs are willing to be extra competent in making a "whole new game" (in which, basically never done like this before) to a level that isn't like Evrima's launch and the same degree of recent mechanics

[steel summit]

okay, i agree but human gameplay shouldnt follow the same gameplay loop as dinos, and you cant do something like "escape the island" since that wouldnt work that well in my opinion, but yes something like find lore and things would be fun

[acoustic osprey]

I know. Of course.
Humans should not grow.

but a gameplay loop, functional and actually worth while, needs to be present

[strange shell]

Every human conversation circles back to human nesting

[steel summit]

i mean a lore based gameplay loop would be very fun for humans, like you can find and piece together evidence, but you're not forced to do it, human gameplay should be pretty sandbox-esque in that you arent forced to follow the gameplay loop, but its fun to follow it

[acoustic osprey]

I don't mind the idea of "human nesting"
in terms of "owning" a human base and allowing people (private or public) to spawn in your base

rather less "nesting" and more just a locked spawn pad

[strange shell]

It really depends on how Gen 2 are made according to the lore

[steel summit]

helipad can be used to "nest" humans

[acoustic osprey]

for myself, i hope that we do not go back to "fell from helicopter and confused to where we are"

fun idea.
not fitting for Gen2s, being that they are not mercs, truly, anymore

[acoustic osprey]

as much as i LOVE lore, pushing people into a lore-held gameplay loop sounds tedious for people who want to play as a human; not a lorehunter

[steel summit]

absolutely, i think more like " get dropped off on the island and i should find the nearest base and begin fortifying it"

[acoustic osprey]

and then, we just need to know how and why Gen2s on The Isle

What are their purpose to Gen2s?
Are they a recent toy/device/product from Gen2s?

[steel summit]

"lore hunter gameplay loop", but i feel that the human gameplay loop should be pretty free and a little sandbox-esque

[acoustic osprey]

list goes on.

Is Gen2s being here just a GOLEM-Ceti / DEIMOIS Project v2?

[steel summit]

(am dumb so no clue about those) maybe

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-better-call-saul-season6-chuck-mcgill-always-the-same-gif-26487993

[acoustic osprey]

we only go by the name. That's all we know, truly.

[steel summit]

cant escape lorehunter

[acoustic osprey]

besides deciphering what each of those words mean irl

GOLEM is just an identifier across the various international corps that all filter feed back to Apollo.
What is [insert horrible disfigured thing here]?

GOLEM derivative.

Ah.

[steel summit]

yeah, dondi isnt really that generous when it comes to explanations

[acoustic osprey]

there's my pseudo-concern with Gen2s

I know they'll be likely pretty crap on release (proper release)

being that it's a reoccurrence within Isle that no one can escape

[steel summit]

i get what you mean, and yes they will need much work, but atleast we actually get them

[acoustic osprey]

I can only hope for it to turn out actually really good

[strange shell]

Dont worry we'll have a big lore drop in June

[acoustic osprey]

yes.
I will, still, play how Don/the team want them

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-21644488

[steel summit]

its september (you mean we have to wait 9 months)

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleto-skeleton-fire-hell-burn-gif-26129219

[steel summit]

you're the guy who thought my pfp was a trike right, its fine just funny

[acoustic osprey]

it is though

[strange shell]

I still think it is

[acoustic osprey]

^

[steel summit]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

it's safe to assume Don has some sort of idea of what will/might be proper human gameplay

[steel summit]

don has ideas, the question is wether they will work

[acoustic osprey]

Don has a lot of ideas sadly

the problem with people and writing/creating within storybuilding

is that once you start
chaos theory happens

[steel summit]

don had some good ideas that didnt work (titanoboa)

[acoustic osprey]

ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas ideas over ideas

[strange shell]

Ah there's the message

(June 2022)

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

technically, Don was away for a (business/or something akin iirc) trip

over the june

but we only knew this after June 😊

[steel summit]

hopefully june next year

[acoustic osprey]

(this was from early 2022)

[steel summit]

well we didnt get it june this year

[acoustic osprey]

nor the last

[strange shell]

Every year I'm gonna put my expectations at the highest during the month of June then be inevitably disappointed

[steel summit]

yep

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion message
hark, there you go

[steel summit]

that was fast

[steel summit]

that wasnt that fast

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[steel summit]

anyway since you are

lore man

i think you might be the best person to ask, but what isle creature (canon and all) do you think would be the most dangerous irl

[steel summit]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

in real life?

[steel summit]

ye

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what you would define truly dangerous

large and strong? Colossus / Hyper Rex (more so Colossus)

smart and cunning? Echidna

[steel summit]

im asking you, what would you define as the most dangerous

[acoustic osprey]

hidden and deadly? Reaper

(you can see a pattern)

in truth, I would say, is likely The Replicator

Truly strong
truly smart
and truly hidden

[steel summit]

island walkers would be dangerous (i know might not be canon) because of their size

[acoustic osprey]

yes, but clumsy

I would see Colossus more physically dangerous

being human in nature