isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Kill it, bring it in, automated lab does stuff to it

[low scarab]

I’ve heard the replicator is controlled by an ai which has gained some level of sentience

[low scarab]

That’s boring lol

[lethal moat]

We don't know for sure

[low scarab]

That’s true

[low scarab]

im shocked there arent more representations in drawing of what people think the replicator looks like

[lethal moat]

We have nothing to gague it on or any description

[low scarab]

true but use your ✨ imagination✨

[lethal moat]

Alright, tell me what it looks like to you

[low scarab]

hold up imma make a masterpiece work of art

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo is the parent company

[low scarab]

gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

No indication to who he was referring to

[lethal moat]

"We"

So probably payables, or just dinos

[acoustic osprey]

I'm thinking either Gen 2s or workers, as it was about the company itself

[low scarab]

my thought as well

[low scarab]

beautiful right?

but some sort of big pit w/ dead stuff massive room filled with computers and what not

[ionic sable]

We are the silly testers.

[low scarab]

think glados from portal

except with a big pit of dead stuff and no robot lady

[low scarab]

lol the players

[patent ginkgo]

I like to think more along the lines of gmos and whatnot

[low scarab]

That’s not a bad thought

[patent ginkgo]

I had an idea earlier in here that the replicator could have been initially made as a way to create new crop varieties/cultivars (or strains) in response to new agricultural issues

Like climate pests or disease

[lethal moat]

We still don't know the steps between that and prehistoric reptile tho

[low scarab]

Don said there aren’t a lot of steps between food/botany and dinosaurs

Which honestly idk how

[thin vine]

i imagine it looks like glados

but not glados, obviously

sort of a mix between combine/AS/infinity train style

Aperture science = AS

[thin vine]

EL OH EL I NEED TO READ MORE

[lethal moat]

Lol

[low scarab]

Lol

[lethal moat]

I'm imagining a biological 3d printer

[low scarab]

I’m still stumped on how that would look

And it produces eggs right not fully mature animals

[lethal moat]

Yu know automated car factories?

[thin vine]

again, a mix between glados and the number printer from infinity train

[patent ginkgo]

I envision something like a compact genetics lab, designed to be operated solely by many robot arms stemming from the center. Maybe all within a framework or metal box

[swift echo]

I imagine her room looks a bit like this. lack of the giant mech alien lizard though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-jDRXs1HOM

[low scarab]

Number printer? Do you have an image

[low scarab]

Kind of a cool idea like an empty lab that’s not build for people so wires and cramped spots everywhere with some glados looking robot in the center

Yk what would be sick is if we could find the replicator like in an underground cave system or something

[swift echo]

think that egg turner from the first JP movie with hammond and the velo but 5x as smart and probably larger

[low scarab]

Or maybe even a failed prototype of one

[low scarab]

My exact thought

[swift echo]

ive seen theories that she watches the eyeless through every camera on every island AE owns. I imagined she has no physical form, but is instead a massive rootwork of consiciousness and instead of being a robot is the islands themselves

and sprouts in AE's facilities

[low scarab]

Oh yk the b12 robot from stray

It’s that cat game that got rlly popular

[swift echo]

oh I love stray dont explain it

ikik

[low scarab]

Basically before he was given a form he was just trapped in the city yk flicker lights to lead the way watching you through the cameras

[swift echo]

ye

[low scarab]

It was sick first playthrough was awesome

[swift echo]

mhmm mhmm

[thin vine]

i dont and honestly i tried to find one but couldnt

[low scarab]

But anyways the way he speaks to you by flickering lights messing with computers exactly how the replicator could be conscious

[low scarab]

Gotcha

[swift echo]

ye thats how I imagine her

[thin vine]

i lie, here is the number printer

[patent ginkgo]

This actually seems way more interesting, also more the route dondi would take

[low scarab]

Oh sick

[thin vine]

replicator totally gives me infinity train/glados vibes from what we know (very little)

[low scarab]

That’s cool just cameras not controlled by humans

[swift echo]

defo, she probably has her own agenda and everything and only puts up with AE because she's bored

[low scarab]

Yk what that reminds me of

Subnautica spoiler

||But it reminds me of that alien building you have to go through to disable that weapon where it pricks your arm for a blood sample||

[swift echo]

oh. oh youre right

ah I gotta go think abt this

[low scarab]

Or because it thinks it has to yk or maybe it’s smarter than AE and has a plan

Or is making one

[swift echo]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[white hazel]

Have they ever released any lore on what the situation is on The Isle or is it all just speculation

[pale marsh]

@acoustic osprey
Lore dump this man
(Idk if u like being pinged sorry if not)

[lethal moat]

We have some stuff from devs, check pinned comments

[white hazel]

I want more

[lethal moat]

We all do.

[lucid trench]

did you read the docs? they arent all that helpful but they get some stuff across

[white hazel]

I did read em all. Very interesting but left me wanting more lol

[lethal moat]

Yeah, welcome to the cult

[white hazel]

The lore we have gotten is super cool

[lethal moat]

Indee

[white hazel]

Do we have any info on the time frame? is this set in the relative future ?

[pale marsh]

likely the past 80s -ish i think

[white hazel]

Also i was a bit confused on the whole Phoenix Corp thing

that would make sense. The cameras and stuff shown in the lore dont really look that advanced

[pale marsh]

i believe phoenix is no longer canon, that was iirc when the isle was linked to primal carnage

[lethal moat]

Anything to do with Phoenix corp has been scrapped

[white hazel]

gotcha so its just AE now

[pale marsh]

AE and the parent company[?] of which we know little about

[white hazel]

We dont really know their goal tho right?

[pale marsh]

nope nothing solid, just guesses

[white hazel]

Doesnt seem inherently bad just kinda mad scientist-y a bit 🤣

[pale marsh]

we still dont even know how AE went from botany, to dinosaurs, just that it was early in its timeline

[white hazel]

so even in botany did they do genetic engineering and stuff? I could see a bridge there if so

[lethal moat]

Dondi said he didn’t want a generic evil company

[pale marsh]

presumably, but im not sure if its in a crazy scifi way,

more of a end world hunger kinda of way

but there is old concepts for cazy huge [hyperendrocine?} plants

[white hazel]

Yeah thats kinda what I was thinking too. For the betterment of humanity but still potentially risking the world to horror

Possibly they figured out a way to extract dna out of old plant fossils and translated that to dinosaur fossils too

[pale marsh]

maybe? my main issue is how the replicator enters the picture

or what its origin even is, cuz no, we do not know

[white hazel]

Thats the other thing that i had no clue about when it was mentioned

do we know what it even is

[pale marsh]

AI/machine involved in the creation of the dinos

and gen1 seem to worship it, but thats kinda all we know

[white hazel]

gen 1 are the monster looking humanoids right

vampire like almost

[pale marsh]

yes, my pfp is an edited concept of one

[white hazel]

lol nice i never realized what that was

those mfs seem terrifying

[pale marsh]

the actual image

[white hazel]

whole lotta nope

[pale marsh]

these are meant to be for customization options

[white hazel]

interesting they have an advanced enough mind to even worship something. they look entirely animalistic

[pale marsh]

we know theyre not stupid since they will have base building and crafting ingame, but just how intelligent they are idk

[white hazel]

im assuming itll be simple crafting w sticks and rocks

[pale marsh]

ive alwasy been in favor of just as smart as normal humans, just a much more savage culture given where they live

[white hazel]

fair, im interested to see which direction they go with them. Either will be cool imo

[pale marsh]

theres old concept of them decked out in animal pelt clothing such

[white hazel]

oooo thats cool

[pale marsh]

lemem find em

maybe it wasnt animal pelts, i remebered it wrong, but

they do have some forms of clothing

[white hazel]

yeah thats not horrifying at all

[pale marsh]

just as it should be

[white hazel]

i imagine those things are gonna make some blood curdling sounds

[pale marsh]

do note, we will be able to make human effigys out of our victims as a tribal

[white hazel]

tbh i wasnt super excited about the idea of tribal people but after seeing it im on board

lmao put em on a stick like in the forest

[pale marsh]

imm reallly hoping they get creative with the effigys, id loooovvveee a blood eagle

[white hazel]

its also known they are skilled climbers right?

itd be sick if you could make an almost blair witch looking effigy with your victims strung up in the trees

[pale marsh]

yes, there is concept of their feet with long toes and opposable "thumbs"

[white hazel]

im assuming thats gonna be their relative safe space away from dinos

[pale marsh]

these, and the other 2, are currently the most up to date images we have of tribals

[white hazel]

get in trouble just book it up a tree

[pale marsh]

id imagine their probs quite fast aswell

[void apex]

They're decently sized too (in comparison to humans at least), probably being 7.5 feet or above.

[white hazel]

Yo

[pale marsh]

if not taller, im hoping taller

[void apex]

we'll likely only get their size once they release, which is a bummer for me

[pale marsh]

i need them so bad

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-19213917

[white hazel]

terrifying

Im not prepared

gonna rip my baby stego to shreds

[pale marsh]

skin ur stego alive

[white hazel]

so is it kind of accepted in lore that the gen one just arent on the current island that we play on in evrima

[pale marsh]

wwell, spiro, our current map is gonna get nuked from orbit so id say it just isnt canon

[white hazel]

oh

i misunderstood. I didn’t know gateway was replacing spiro

[pale marsh]

in terms of future maps, id say theyre there in lore, but obvs lore isnt gonna match an early access games content

[white hazel]

just thought it was another map

[pale marsh]

it LIKELY will

spiros just really bad

so its unlikely theyre gonna fix it, when they can make a new large map after gateway

[white hazel]

i have mixed feelings but ive only been playing a week

with the way gateway is looking, i really wont be mad if it does replace it lol

[pale marsh]

theres many issues caused by spiro, performance being one of them

[white hazel]

looks so pretty

yeah i totally get they are improving and learning and setting the slate clean with a new map may be best for the game

[lethal moat]

Several dinos can climb

[pale marsh]

that and, spiro only exists as a rushed map to meet a deadline

largest proper climber is herrera and juvie megs, i dont think theyll be pushing tribals out of the canopy

[white hazel]

the herrera is in development right?

[pale marsh]

yes, should be one of the next few playables to come

[unborn atlas]

Herrera the danger iguana

[pale marsh]

the murder anole

[white hazel]

siiickkk

we love new dinos

im super excited for the triceratops

[lethal moat]

We need to ask Dondi if dino taming/abusive symbiosis is still going to be a thing

[pale marsh]

unlikely tbh

[lethal moat]

Would be worth figuring out, let’s ask isaaaac when he gets back here

[low scarab]

Well spiro has gen 1 cave paintings inside some sealed off caves do with that what you will

But if I had to guess spiro lore is going out the door

[low scarab]

It also demands sacrifices and watches through the cameras of the island

And might be somewhat sentient

[white hazel]

it…demands sacrifices?

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-a-sacrifice-sacrifice-scooby-doo-the-movie-gif-23569031

[low scarab]

lol yea it demands you give it whatever dead things it wants

[low scarab]

and we have no clue how it was made or what is looks like

[low scarab]

what the chance reference btw

from legacy lore

[low scarab]

same bro, same

also even if olympus transmitter isnt cannon anymore

this is raises hairs for the new map

[acoustic osprey]

Bunch of old references to Gateway from 2018

Wonder if it still has any minute connections

[lethal moat]

Something calling from beyond gateway, tartarus most likely

[low scarab]

remember how gateway use to be called isla velada but they changed it

what other reason to change the name to gateway other than this

it makes a lot of sense right

[acoustic osprey]

Well no. Technically that was the placeholder name

[low scarab]

ahhh

[lethal moat]

Gateway is a facility as well as the island isn't it?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-fritening-tunnel-song-gif-6118844

[low scarab]

it would make a lot of sense though that the new map would be gateway

[acoustic osprey]

No

[lethal moat]

Huh

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[pale marsh]

The lore man is here

[low scarab]

lore man isaac

[lethal moat]

The lore prince

[acoustic osprey]

I have been doing a lot of theatre stuff recently. So no free time to dabble in lore sadly

[lethal moat]

Unfortunate

[pale marsh]

Sounds fun

[low scarab]

imagine having a life outside of the isle discord

[lethal moat]

Couldn't be me

[pale marsh]

I highly recommend having one

[torn furnace]

is there an updated master doc of all the official lore

i have an old one but not sure its still up to date

me when i check pins

[undone sleet]

wait, does that mean something like a human player could takle/abuse a dinoplayer, like catching them? Or stuff like that

[modern rover]

specifically Gen 1/Tribals

[undone sleet]

awesome!

[modern rover]

but we don't know if that's still in place

[undone sleet]

I hope, i would like to see such feature.

[carmine sonnet]

It probably won't be all things considered. Killing dinosaurs with traps and primitive weapons of the like would still be cool, but the devs have made it clear that anyone playing a dinosaur doesn't wanna have to deal with being captured and or being forced to wait, just to die. It's not exactly fun for the person involved-

[acoustic osprey]

Traps part has been considered, but won't be coming to the game officially

but primitive weapons? Of course!! large primitive weapons

But, traps can't be done well in a multiplayer survival game like this sadly

very easy to abuse and isn't very fun for anyone but the trapper

[plucky shuttle]

me when I play as a tribal and throw big spear at dinosaur (epic)

[undone frost]

I wonder what the strenght of the tribals or cannibas will be

[acoustic osprey]

same

[plucky shuttle]

W

[undone frost]

If you are going to play as a tribal will you have a first person view?

[modern rover]

more than likely

[acoustic osprey]

No confirmation.

[modern rover]

cant say for certain

[acoustic osprey]

I don't really care either way.
I do, however, much prefer Gen2s as 1st Person at least

which, at the moment and still confirmed, is staying at first person

[undone frost]

Which are gen2?

[modern rover]

Gen 2 should be first person, 100%

Current humans, modern day

[undone frost]

Oh right

Yeah I agree aswell

[modern rover]

No freakish mutation

[undone frost]

Tribals could have an option to switch first and third person maybe?

[modern rover]

Possibly

Again, we have to wait and see

[undone frost]

Hmm

So how tall are tribals again?

[carmine sonnet]

Agreed, and I would like to see some variety with weapons. Obviously spears, but things like hatchets, bows, and clubs would be cool too.

[modern rover]

around 9 foot

[undone frost]

Bruh

[modern rover]

They tower

[undone frost]

Bigger than Pickle in Baki

[acoustic osprey]

Taking avg height at 6ft for gens2
Gen2s/Or, if not, avg human is at Tribal lower shoulder

[plucky shuttle]

I want the fortnite golden scar rifle

[modern rover]

basically, yea

tribals are TALL

[acoustic osprey]

From the confirmation from Don himself!!

[undone frost]

Dear god

[carmine sonnet]

Tribals won't be able to use guns unless stolen maybe? No confirmation on that-

[acoustic osprey]

too small, I'd imagine (guns)

[undone frost]

Tribals shouldnt need to use guns

[acoustic osprey]

^
Yeah

[undone frost]

Their raw strenght should be enough

[modern rover]

Tribals are more likely to use a gun as a big metal stick to beat things with than an actual gun

[undone frost]

Sounds badass

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[carmine sonnet]

Fair enough. I imagine it'd be hard to actually aim and shoot. Not to mention big fingers.

[modern rover]

Well, yea, that and their body is quite literally VERY different from a standard humanoids

Their hands and feet are redesgined for different purposes

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, they can climb really well.
And, likely, run real fast too

I imagine they would be quite a nightmare for anyone with avg accurary

[modern rover]

It's likely they lack the hand dexterity to even manage a gun

[undone frost]

So how strong do you think the tribals are

Could they just one shot a human with a punch

[modern rover]

Since its likely their feet and hands have been redesigned for strength over dexterity, as they're proficient climbers

[carmine sonnet]

I do find it funny to think about. I imagine their bows being like close to the size of a human being.

[undone frost]

Like one punch to the chest or head area and they are dead

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/gregor-clegane-gif-18865277

[modern rover]

They're very comparable to chimps imho. Except taller, stronger and smarter

Exceptional muscle mass and speed, as well as climbing prowress

[acoustic osprey]

I imagine practically Gregor Clegane from GoT

[undone frost]

Hmm

[carmine sonnet]

But will they be able to wrestle any dinos? Now that is the question.

[modern rover]

I think more like chimps, their bodies are very powerful.

They probably also share chimp's inexplicable bloodlust

[acoustic osprey]

depends, I suppose

[undone frost]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-memes2022funny-meme-face-punch-gif-25436787

[carmine sonnet]

Something like troodon is an easy neck snap, but a full grown omni could probably pounce one.

[undone frost]

Pov you are a merc and a tribal jumps you

[low scarab]

Real

[errant trout]

the real question is if omnis will just pin them with a pounce

just going by size I imagine the answer is yes

[low scarab]

I would too be super cool from a first person perspective

Just watching your stomach get ripped into by a raptor

[errant trout]

yeah that would be cool

hmm arent tribals going to be third person though

[low scarab]

We don’t know

[lyric marsh]

honestly i don't know if tribals fit the isle

[patent ginkgo]

[lethal moat]

I wonder if Æ made any prehistoric mammals?

[pale marsh]

Modern long bows already reach 6ft long
I'd imagine a tribals would get longer

[strange shell]

"Modern long bows"
Like uh, they're not as big as ancient ones ? Or they're bigger
Did longbows change size throughout history ?

[chrome acorn]

The arrows would be 6ft

[pale marsh]

Idk why I put modern
I don't think they've changed since feudal Europe

[strange shell]

Actually there's a possibility they got a bit bigger since people are taller than back then
But some english longbows were like 1.8m tall already
Aniways tribal bows gunna be big

They're gonna shoot ballista bolts

[pale marsh]

Tribal long bow (real)

[strange shell]

"shortbow"

[lethal moat]

The avatar movie blue people are about the same size as tribals, so imagine their bows would be similar sizes, and that has about the same kinetic energy as a 50 cal fired from a 50 bmg anti-material rifle

[undone frost]

are you thinking of the old merc sized tribals

or the "new" ones that are actually the cannibals

[icy onyx]

s1 knv j,hkp r r qfsad q s d\

[undone frost]

since dondy said they are called cannibals now no? and they will be like pretty large mutated people

and the cannibals are like 9-11ft while omni raptor is 6ft?

[lethal moat]

Cannibals are a mutated version of gen 1

Both are about same size, one is just spook

[lethal moat]

Tribals and cannibals are both 7-9 ft tall

[undone frost]

Arent they the same thing now

[lethal moat]

I don't think so, tribals and cannibals are different, requireing some sort of ritual to turn a tribal into a cannibal

[undone frost]

Hm, alright I might have been wrong

[undone frost]

On the Isle wiki says that cannibals are 9-11ft tall unless thats outdated

[lethal moat]

That's probably right

[undone frost]

that?

[lethal moat]

The height

[undone frost]

Ah

[low scarab]

What do we know about AE and botany

[acoustic osprey]

food

[cobalt galleon]

that they make dinosaurs

[low scarab]

So the botany was connected with food

Like did they grow edible plants or something

[lethal moat]

Possibly, we believe there was some sort of world emergency involving food that thrust AE forward into power

[white hazel]

is the lore for this map being retained when we transfer over to gateway?

[low scarab]

I’ve wondered the same thing we know gateway is related in lore but for spiro we don’t have much lore and it’s getting abandoned so my guess is any lore from spiro is going to be thrown away

[white hazel]

interesting

[low scarab]

What’s got my interest is that in legacy there were lots of references warnings and broadcasts talking about gateway

Warning about gateway hinting at it etc which is exited because it probably means when we get the new map we will have plenty of things to sink out teeth into

[lethal moat]

Something about the gateway to Tartarus, which is super exciting given that’s where the juicy stuff probably is

[low scarab]

Yea I’m exited to find out what Tartarus is given it locked up Greek gods which could be where they keep strains

[lethal moat]

Probably is, possibly other secrets like robo-quetz as well?

[swift echo]

😳

[pseudo fable]

Depends on how quickly we can finish wrangling some magic tricks in world partition.

[low scarab]

[lethal moat]

I’m intrigued to know what kind of tricks and am anxiously anticipating any lore we get just from the human structures coming to gateway, does this mean that there are multiple layers to the map? Like caves and caverns?

[low scarab]

I remember making a video on some unfinished cave by the dam looked cool so I really am hoping gateway has some more finished and accessible caves

The downside is of course player count. If it stays at 100 it will suck for carnivores to try and find people to hunt

[lethal moat]

That’s one of the main reasons I stick to small tier predators, food lasts longer, and yeah, wonder if there are caves in gateway, and if there will be tribal references like wall paintings

[low scarab]

Btw don if you’re stalking this chat is what little lore spiro had still cannon or you just kind of forgetting it bc it’s getting abandoned anyway

[acoustic osprey]

well, if you're studying botany, there's always going to be some link with Agriculture

and with that, we know that AE still has some links with botany research.
Likely not for food reasons, I doubt, more so for what they were doing with humans and dinos

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, if you're referring to the lore of Spiro, Mr "Milton", probably.
Seeing as there is some lore videos in the official youtube channel with Spiro's name in reference

[white hazel]

yeah referring to the island as a whole if itll still be canon and all the videos and such

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

but if you're talking, plainly, about lore (interactive or not) in Gateway, then yes and no.
There will be lore in Gateway, but the interactive (human stuff- I'm presuming in terms of papers, etc), will come later

[lethal moat]

YES

[acoustic osprey]

From what we know, Spiro is likely staying (just not for officials)
It may be redone by Jace- to which, personally, I would love that

But yeah, Spiro has some connections to Isle's lore
But nothing major/big/worth caring about

if it were scrapped, I don't think any lore nerds ||the small huddle of us waiting|| will be very bothered

besides myself, of course!

[swift echo]

nuh uh I gotta show this to my gc thats crazy qwgbwqbgwgiw

[undone frost]

Aswell as monsters

[acoustic osprey]

all of the kin of Gaea!!

[ionic sable]

I would shed a small silent tear for Spiro.

[low scarab]

I can’t bring myself to be sad for that map

[lethal moat]

I will give it a polite golf clap, possibly 2 out of respect of the map I played when I first joined the game

[kindred bobcat]

Last i heard they are removing it from the game files to lower file size

[acoustic osprey]

do you know where they said this

[kindred bobcat]

Kissen said it like a couple weeks or a week before roadmap maybe and punch a bit after i think

#isle-discussion message

#isle-discussion message

[acoustic osprey]

shame

[kindred bobcat]

Maybe you sick bastards who like it will get a dlc

[acoustic osprey]

I don't like it

It's just that there is already lore connected to it
And it would be nice to see it completely redone by Jace

[plain isle]

Can’t wait for that new map, hopefully the performance isn’t too horrible

[low scarab]

there isnt tooooo much lore though

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-what-a-bunch-of-hippie-dippie-baloney-bunch-of-baloney-president-business-gif-22326385

[low scarab]

I would like to see spero return with world partitioning

[acoustic osprey]

NOOO!!!

[low scarab]

why

bro spero would be sick

[acoustic osprey]

Spero was cool
But, we had little understanding on how good Spero was, besides that it was orange

[low scarab]

like some beast server with 500 people on some massive spero map

[low scarab]

true but who doesnt like a tropical orange map

[acoustic osprey]

I wish Spiro was more akin to such
I mean, it was in u4... it was amazing

[low scarab]

nothing about spiro is such

spiro stinky

honestly though the hype for gateway is unreal just hope we get it sooner rather than later

[acoustic osprey]

quite so

[kindred bobcat]

Wait we have seen spero?

[acoustic osprey]

in 2019 and early 2020

by streams
That's it.

[kindred bobcat]

Ahh like those in the red wood with rex and compies?

[acoustic osprey]

No

[low scarab]

and the hope trailer

[acoustic osprey]

yes true

[swift echo]

terrifying quotes from Don part 1

[lethal moat]

[low scarab]

I want this game to finally be spooky

[lethal moat]

I think that aspect comes with more nocturnal predators, and certain strains alongside the full implementation of humans

[low scarab]

And creepy music and lighting

And better sound design

[lethal moat]

qUTZ SEES YOUR SINS

And he is disgusted by them

[long onyx]

is that quetz

[low scarab]

Lol yea

[long onyx]

in the isle?

[low scarab]

Edited in I think

[keen belfry]

is spero coming back?

[lethal moat]

No, we only know about gateway for now

[keen belfry]

ah okok

[acoustic osprey]

this was a perfect moment in the stream

[acoustic osprey]

If anything, Spiro is the most to come back- compared to any of Evrima's "WIP" maps

But no, Spero won't unless they make a drastic change/idea

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, the first quote is more happy!

[icy onyx]

Random theory but I think hypos (imo of course) may not ever return, and they may be replaced with elders, my source? Well, just the wiki and some time to think I guess lol. Basically my theory hinges on the design of the elder Rex as it looks really, and I mean really similar to the hypo Rex. The other elders also have some small traits of hypos but I'm not completely sure. And for the other strains I have no idea on if they are even cannon anymore because of all the lore from legacy being non cannon now.

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers are still coming

same with the other three
They may not return in-game for quite some time, but they are still in Isle's lore 100%

[icy onyx]

How do u know, I'm confused cuz I showered everywhere for even a trace of em in evrima, only one I saw was old concept for hyper Rex, the other 2 or 3 I have no clue on

[acoustic osprey]

We have official Evrima art for Hyper Rex
With references to strains and hypers by both Don, Punch and other devs

[icy onyx]

Thank you for clearing it up then

[chrome acorn]

I wonder if dondi has written some new tisso stuff

[swift echo]

I doubt Don would ever miss a chance to scare a server with dramatic effects

[lethal moat]

I’m more interested in why the strains were made over the strains themselves, because then we could speculate what other things could have been made

[chrome acorn]

Something something medicine something something botany something something

[pale marsh]

The strains are for medical purposes
Hypnerendrocin likely to bolster muscle growth. Neurotenic to improve the brain
And tissoplasty for like. Regrowing limbs. Regenerative stuff etc.

[lethal moat]

Alright, but what about trying to prevent aging through cellular decay ending up with unkillable zombie dinosaurs?

[icy onyx]

Wait didn't tapwing (the concept artist) make a hypo quetz concept or am I going crazy? Also does anyone remember the robo quetz? I feel like these would definitely fall in the lore somewhere since they like testing on quetz so much

[chrome acorn]

Robo quetz became official it has its own official art panel now

Tapwings hyper quetz art at this time is still unofficial fan artwork from before she was hired as a developer

[icy onyx]

Oh that makes sense, can't wait to play as robo quetz, maybe it's some sort of security asset to watch of dinos

[reef summit]

.

[pale marsh]

Heh. Wrong channel

[icy onyx]

Dead serious right now, if I knew how to un-redact things on the little pages I would solve a lot of the lore, if anyone knows how do tell

[lethal moat]

It's a faxed document in pdf form, best thing you can do is overexpose and underexpose saturation and play with brightness and pray.

Possibly see letter outlines

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yes we have done so already

Half of the stuff is just barely translatable

However, very dubious

[icy onyx]

Dm bro I have to see

[acoustic osprey]

There gives the dates of 2172
Yet, recently, we know it is the 1990s

[acoustic osprey]

On my phone so it's pretty hard to
I still will
But search up #isle-lore-theories "2172" and go to the oldest messages sent

[young sphinx]

I say it’s 2072

Makes more sense in my head and it gives the strains time to evolve but not too much time where it makes you think why’d it take so long for AE to go back?

[acoustic osprey]

I say, through the roadmap, no

It is much more likely that the roadmap is more correct/accurate

[young sphinx]

The roadmap will be the death of me !

[acoustic osprey]

than the deciphered hidden text that may as well be placeholders

or, just simply, purposely misleading

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!!

[young sphinx]

Possible

It still seems like an extreme time jump though

[acoustic osprey]

even then, Saoul, who knows more about Isle's lore due to being an admin and close to the devs, said it was not 2172.
It is likely not such

[acoustic osprey]

a bit too extreme and doesn't make sense canonically with ERRANT-291

[young sphinx]

I just need all the juicy LORE and I need it NOW

[acoustic osprey]

you!?!?!

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-what-a-bunch-of-hippie-dippie-baloney-bunch-of-baloney-president-business-gif-22326385

[acoustic osprey]

What about all of us!!

[young sphinx]

I need it to sleeeeep ahhh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah!!

[young sphinx]

I wish don would release the floodgates like he use to back in legacy 😔

[acoustic osprey]

soon

[young sphinx]

This famine will leave me brittle

No sustenance to keep me alive

https://tenor.com/view/robot-pain-gif-20776492

[hexed flax]

Thy definitely have the technology to accelerate ageing. I don't think they would wait 30 or more years for a dinosaur to grow up

[dire sapphire]

The troodon was made from dr dinklesplintercuff and the troodon is a mix of hypo, tisso, neuro. And the venom is really an explosive liquid 🤯

[lethal moat]

I’m the new devblog Tapwing said that she was working on concept art for human labs. Looking forward to seeing those

[ionic sable]

You pain me.

[icy onyx]

~~

[lethal moat]

I wonder if gen 1 will end up using Herrera as attack dogs since they both climb so well

[acoustic osprey]

food

[sly merlin]

Lore… is just… LORE.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wrecked-you-wrecked-it-just-wrecked-lego-movie-lord-business-gif-9391545

[sly merlin]

HAAAHAHAHAAAA

[acoustic osprey]

NOOO

[wide pasture]

erm...why my text deleted ?

[strange shell]

This is Isle lore theories

[swift echo]

isaac who do you consider to be the lore masters

[lethal moat]

Dondi

😎

[ionic sable]

@acoustic osprey Answer this poor man.

He is standing here begging for your help.

[swift echo]

im filling out docs but sure, personalize me that way

[scarlet verge]

Since I've seen it thrown around a few times and it was in the devblog for Brian, who/what is John Cake? Is that the human's name? Or is it an joke about a dino? I've been following this channel for awhile and have no idea what it refers to

[pale marsh]

Joke name for gen2 humans

[scarlet verge]

Lol thanks. I thought it might be and curiosity finally got me and I had to ask. I wasn't sure because I thought Brian mainly worked on dinos, but I guess he works on the humans too then

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-alec-guinness-obi-wan-kenobi-serious-think-gif-5199304

[swift echo]

yes think long and hard cause I need an honest answer

[lethal moat]

If the next gif isn’t “of course I know him, he is me” I am going to be upset

[swift echo]

really though

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-gif-18239434

as much as I would say it's me.
I'm nowhere near a lore master

I found say Dondi. But he's the creator- of course he'd be the lore master

[pale marsh]

We are but scholars and scribes

[lethal moat]

I am upset, but you are correct

[acoustic osprey]

We are but humble children,
the youth, ravenous for knowledge
Spoon-fed like babies, yet never certain
Of the hidden truth that may unfurl its visage.

[pale marsh]

Tldr we are deprived nerds always waiting for dondi to indulge us

[swift echo]

sometimes I genuinely cant sleep but the thing that sends me to sleep is playing the isle in my head. I think I'm delusional

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbids-come-look-come-see-rabbid-watch-this-gif-16609504

[gritty parrot]

what is happening

[acoustic osprey]

nothing

[gritty parrot]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[drifting merlin]

Thanks let me appropriately go express my rage in the corresponding channel

[calm axle]

i like how apollo engineering is basically nasas code name for space operations

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo, not engineering?

I mean, technically, both were named Apollo after two very different viewpoints

NASA's being that based off Apollo riding a chariot across the sun

and AE (or, at least, Apollo the company) with him being god of crops

and, likely or ironically, that of his other name Phoebus
which, in some translations, means pure

Why not name your company, though also being god of your own products, that of a way to call your company "pure"

However, yes, it can be said that such other name for Apollo led to such translation and belief that he was correlated to the sun

and, subsequently, the depiction of Apollo riding across the sun

[maiden sundial]

But it's helios who carries the sun chariot.

Who is a titan god.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

Titans have never been seen with such light as Olympians

at least, such for NASA

but the artworks is of Apollo

[maiden sundial]

Also I've been thinking. With the pantheon designations.

Hades is the hyperendocrin carnotaurus right?

[oblique surge]

would hyper carno have an entire facility designated to only it tho?

okay they may not be entire facilities per say but still

if these are the names of specfic structures I'd imagine hyperendoncrins would remain (if anywhere at all) all in the same or at least multiple of them in one

[acoustic osprey]

yes

but, Legacy Lore

that what when PC had a heavier link with lore

[maiden sundial]

I see.

[oblique surge]

ah sorry I misunderstood

didnt know hyper carno was called Hades at some point

[lethal moat]

I can see Zeus being neuros, given that they were rumored to affect weather, in the event that neuros end up being confirmed

Poseidon could be tissoplastic due to their ability to become translucent like water

And hades for hyperendocrine because they kill anything and everything

Should any of the other strains ever become confirmed again

[maiden sundial]

Which is ironic. Considering hades is the most chill out of the 3.

[lethal moat]

And only Greek myth that had a semi-functional marriage, despite the kidnapping

[maiden sundial]

Which was zeus' idea

[lethal moat]

Anyway, would love to know whether or not there are any other confirmed strains besides hyperendocrine, because I love the concept behind the three different types of power

[maiden sundial]

I'm thinking Tisso and neuro are still in

[modern rover]

I could see Neuros being compared more to Athena if anything, being the Goddess of knowledge, as well as the added bonus of being extremely effective against humanity by disabling their defenses, which goes well with Athena's relation to war

[lethal moat]

Maybe, it would be nice for the different strains to act as counters for earth other

[modern rover]

Dondi has basically said that yea, they're coming

[lethal moat]

Ight, but I need official confirmation before getting my hopes up

[modern rover]

That's pretty unlikely tbh, if anything, strains seem to be designed to counter specific factions. Hypers are good at killing the biggest, baddest dinosaurs, neuros are good at disabling the defenses of gen 2 , making them easy prey, and tissos... We know little about them, but based on the fact that tribals lack the tech of gen 2 or the senses of the dinosaurs, I'd imagine tissos would be well built to hunt them

Not to mention tissos are generally depicted as smaller than their regular counterparts, making them pretty poor in a head-to-head brawl battle with the other dinos

But again, tissos are vague at best, things can change

[maiden sundial]

I would like the idea of you having to survive a growth cycle with the hyperendocrine mutation to get it.

Like as you grow your metabolism just requires more and more.

[modern rover]

That'd be... interesting, but the hyperendocrin is designed to be so unsustainable, the idea of it living that full lifecycle kinda contradicts that

[maiden sundial]

It's more its a dormant gene. That full activates near adulthood.

[modern rover]

It's not meant to live for a long time

[maiden sundial]

At least in my idea.

[modern rover]

It'd be interesting to see how the transition would be achieved

[maiden sundial]

Maybe at some point for rex you could tell the difference at subadulthood. With the jaws being slightly longer and have some smallish protruding tusks.

[modern rover]

It is possible that after several elder states, you can choose to come back as a strain dinosaur, growing from young and slowly developing traits, which significantly changes the morph to adulthood. Start with regular juvi/hatchling rex, but grow significantly faster and take on more traits of the hyperendocrin, such as armour and insatiable hunger

But I'm not sure, strains remain vague

[maiden sundial]

Yea. Not to mention the...er. what should I call them. Morphs?

Yea the morphs.

[modern rover]

Yea, they could very well do morphs between regular juvi to hyperendocrin

[maiden sundial]

Like termi-quetzal.

[modern rover]

Either that, or it's a morph from adult into hyper, like you reach adulthood, but just keep changing

Instead of elder, hyper

[maiden sundial]

I meant as in the weird morphs that aren't considered strains.

Like termi-quetzal.

[modern rover]

I do wonder if the roboquetz will be playable or remain some kind of environmental/lore thing

There's a few creatures like the Echidna or the roboquetz which seem to be either too vital to the lore or too different from what the game normally is to see player interaction

[maiden sundial]

Yea. Probably echidna is an ai "boss".

[modern rover]

I don't even think that

Killing the Echidna is just weird, she's literally too vital

If anything, she seems more like a "bigfoot". You can spot her, but never interact with her

[neon mesa]

I don’t even wanna like….engage with that thing ever

It’s better left as something you see

And that’s it

[maiden sundial]

Unless you are an eyeless. In which case you can vibe.

[modern rover]

The Eyeless honestly are something I would like to see playable. A sound-based echolocation predator is def one of the most interesting concepts for a playable

[maiden sundial]

Or at least in my mind.

Cuz I very much think that echidna is the mama to the eyeless. As in the parental unit.

[modern rover]

Also the Matriach. She seems like a SUPER interesting concept for a playable, but at the same time, she's kind of one-of-a-kind important lore character

[maiden sundial]

It's matriarch and echidna the same thing?

[modern rover]

Nah

[maiden sundial]

Echidna is the psychic mama of the eyeless and the matriarch is. Well whatever she is

[modern rover]

Matriach = constantly evolving bug that takes in biomass and replicates it in its own body, progressively getting bigger and more complex

Echidna = Neuro-human, potential mother of the eyeless, exceptionally intellegent and powerful

[maiden sundial]

I'd suspect them to be in some sort of alliance

Or at least they tolerate each other knowing both are vital to the others survival

[acoustic osprey]

Mother of the Tribals, cannibals

Not Eyeless

Yet, however, she very well may be as well alongside them

[acoustic osprey]

I doubt we'll have the same correlation to Olympian Gods (excluding but including Hades, being, technically, not Olympian) to explicit strained dinosaurs as we did in Legacy Lore
Although, yes, all three strains are all back.
I can give you proof of Don saying "Neuros are back guys!" Sadly, Don doesn't do that; But we have him confirming and talking about the existence of Echidna
Alongside hard-confirming Tissos and Matriach, them being "tied-up" actually. How far? Who knows, but they have similarities. And Hypers were always automatically confirmed

[strange shell]

Not to mention H rex got a new design for evrima

[acoustic osprey]

and going back to the actual point of the top sentence I wrote there.
It's also likely that we won't due to it's HEAVY correlation to Primal Carnage's lore

[acoustic osprey]

literally for Evrima as well

[acoustic osprey]

And with that, I doubt facility entrances would be based around a specific strained dinosaur/strain itself

Rather, taking their literal name of the God in the literal sense

Hades = Underground Entrance / Possibly the MAIN depot for GUTS
Zeus = High/Mountainous (due to him being the all-father. The "top" of Olympus.)
Poseidon = Underwater/Water-based entrance. Likely linking with the huge water facility we've seen on the first old Gateway map

In which, there are some big mountainous/high-alt. points in Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

likely the latter, at least upfront; Akin to Colossus and the other two

Depending on how Drone Quetz actually works

[acoustic osprey]

This was more for Magnas

AE couldn't, at least from what we know, functionally and originally make a functioning Hyperendocrin

but Phoenix could

so AE:

https://tenor.com/view/fku-stfu-punching-baby-gif-12138973

And hence, Op. Inferno

I can't remember the true subtext of Op. Inferno
but, it led to AE making Magnas due to stealing B-442 (big daddy. Which had died)

[lethal moat]

I want it to be able to hold its own against normal quetz prey, but be extremely fragile if it takes damage because sensitive components

[lethal moat]

Do we know whether not strains are something that grows with the lifestyle or happens after the dino is full grown yet? Also, a thought I had at work: Quetz is technically an apex, does that mean that I won’t be able to play as my sword giraffe plane?

[pale marsh]

Quetz will probably make it into officials since it'll be pretty small for am "apex"

And any specifics on strains. Kinda just don't exist so I got no idea

[acoustic osprey]

Originally we knew they grew from strains.
But nothing talked about how to get it now, so who knows

[lethal moat]

Probably something to do with the replicator

[patent ginkgo]

This is lore version of “it was for display” in paleontology

[maiden sundial]

@lethal moat quetzal is very light for an apex.

[lethal moat]

Still has unrivaled control of the space it hunts in

[maiden sundial]

It's more a land hunter.

[lethal moat]

It hunts stuff on land from the sky

[maiden sundial]

Well yea but I imagine grabbing something is very stamina consuming. And over strenuous

[lethal moat]

I would love it if it grabbed something and dropped it to kill it, that would be cool, but you are probably right

[maiden sundial]

I mean it could do that. I'm just saying that picking up relatively big things like a galli would be the upper limit

[lethal moat]

Yeah

But I imagine it’s peck could do heccin damage before it dies because it probably only weighs around 500-750 kg

Can’t stand up to much in a straight up fight, but big stabby face

[swift echo]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5xTVzG-eeg ||Hyper Colossus? (spoiler'd due to some major gore n spoilers for Primal)

[acoustic osprey]

Or, it was "for rituals/ceremony" in archaeology

[acoustic osprey]

Likely
Albeit, if not, I still believe that is how we will attain Eyeless

Seeing as you'll be rewarded, by the Replicator, for sacrificing things to her

[olive hamlet]

gonna post these here in case theyre important

(on aviary pillar)

[ionic sable]

Oh, I haven't actually seen that before...

How did you catch that lol

[olive hamlet]

just exploring aviary and went "yoo tf is that" and then sc'd it

we looked at some old legacy videos and couldnt see the text on the pillar but it coul be old

but then if it is old why would it still be tehre

has there been any other lore stuff related to the aviary other than the creature inside?

[calm axle]

legacy lore is not evrima lore btw if u didnt know

[olive hamlet]

arent they linked tho?

something with radio tower if i remember correctly

[olive hamlet]

unless something changed idk i dont keep up with isle lore usually

[calm axle]

nop

evrima does have some of the lore stuff from legacy but its a complete reboot as far as i know

[olive hamlet]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

See you in 2 days!!!

[swift echo]

thank you for captioning that cus I was reading it upside down and sideways trying to read it 😭

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[olive hamlet]

👋

[acoustic osprey]

No the text!!

[olive hamlet]

ik xD

[acoustic osprey]

And yeah, there is no connection between legacy and Evrima
Evrima might have a few things, of course, like Apollo Engineering. But it is still drastically different

[olive hamlet]

alr

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cliffsofinsanity-vizzini-princess-bride-the-gif-18471366

[swift echo]

this made me remember im editing in AE's logo into a corporate building

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[sly merlin]

lore = lore so lore is lore and lore is just lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lego-movie-lord-business-what-a-bunch-of-hippie-dippie-baloney-bunch-of-baloney-president-business-gif-22326385

[sly merlin]

HAHAHAHAAAA

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah!!!

[swift echo]

🙂

[maiden sundial]

God why am I getting some serious vibes of that one commercial with a calm and soothing voice about something.

"Here at apollo engineering we are at the bleeding edge of genetic engineering. Our tests are done ethically. And safe for the environment".

[swift echo]

literally. that picture was also edited from CDK Global so

is there a real difference?

[maiden sundial]

So thats why it feels so corporate.

[swift echo]

mhmm

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[maiden sundial]

It feels so corporate.

Like that douchy kinda corporate

[swift echo]

that was also edited with a mouse n free art stuff

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[swift echo]

pretty sure the hardest part was tracing the AE logo

[icy onyx]

Small theory (shot in the dark of course) but I think we may be able to play as humans during stage 3 of living roadmap (and by a stretch maybe tribals)

[ionic sable]

(Maybe you should be looking out for Apollo Files if you like that vibe of corporate video. )

[lethal moat]

I've been thinking about making a recording audio series about a scientist working at AE sending voicemails to his wife that get progressively more and more concerning about what is going on down there.

[swift echo]

DO IT PLEASE PLEASE OMG WE NEED MORE CONTENT 🥺

[lethal moat]

@ weeks until I head to college, I can do it then

2

[wicked brook]

I still think the isle takes place on another planet or in an environment dome in space

[maiden sundial]

We are definitely on earth in the isle

[lethal moat]

My current problem is that I don’t know why the dinosaurs were created

[acoustic osprey]

Because

they wanted to!!

#isle-lore-theories message

in all seriousness
this is the subtext to such

we just need the context

[chrome acorn]

I wonder what AE put in John cakes cereal

[lethal moat]

If need be, I could totally just make it, and update it as we get more info or make a new series each time like the Apollo Files

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-ian-malcolm-jeff-the-lost-world-jurassic-park-gif-20340087

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

I can confirm now.
Very yum!

[chrome acorn]

yes

food

Very yum

[acoustic osprey]

yes! Apollo, they make the best food in the business! 👍
Much buy, much get, much always!

[lethal moat]

Very nutrition

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[chrome acorn]

mmm Apollo corn flakes

with no corn!!!

[acoustic osprey]

(making headcanon will make it worse. You will be trapped in a confused cell of death and dispair. If anything, don't headcanon anything like this. You will go insane)

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo!!

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah, my first video is basically going to be the guy describing the security to get there, his accommodations, and what he was told he would be doing, with the message being withheld by Apollo without his knowledge due to revealing info

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-princess-bride-relationship-damper-stressed-climbing-gif-6147552

just write a book.
Trust me, don't mess with isle lore

[lethal moat]

I’m not messing with anything, just making a nobody behavior specialist that only gets two messages through the AE censors to his wife

[acoustic osprey]

Making your own little 291!!

[lethal moat]

And I tried writing a book, don’t have the patience

Yes, but with zero significance

[acoustic osprey]

If you want, I can give you the template used for 291

[lethal moat]

Mine is going to be audio recordings labeled by date, number sent, and whether or not it was allowed to be received

[acoustic osprey]

damn!!

[lethal moat]

I might ask my friends to help voice AE telecommunication officials, or other people sending messages, but it’s an idea I’ve had for awhile

[rigid coral]

Ok, but we know in the isle, Magnas are going to be superior; of course, why wouldn't they!
Basically where Magnas, because of Apollo Engineering stealing Phoenix Int. in Operaion Inferno

[lethal moat]

Magnas are no longer canon

[rigid coral]

Yes they are!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/howmanylies-haveibeen-told-gif-23177052

[rigid coral]

They can very much still exist, as we know, it's that Phoenix International is no longer canon

But that does not mean, inheriently, that the concept nor facade of the magna is being removed

[lethal moat]

Oh no, Magnas are very much no longer confirmed

[rigid coral]

sure, the subtext of Magnas may not very well be canon- due to their relation to Big Daddy / B-445 in Primal Carnage

And, even then, we saw that Don renamed (although, I understand that the information is very "?") Magna Quetz to O-Quetz

But yes, Don did send yet another confusing text about O-Quetz again

[rigid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[lethal moat]

Anything connecting to legacy that hasn't been 100% reaffirmed is no longer canon, and Magnas are one of the reasons primal carnage isn't aligned with the isle, so no, Magna and type-O are not ccanon

[rigid coral]

Anything connecting to legacy that hasn't been 100% reaffirmed is no longer canon

is this 100% correct?

how do we know Type-Os are no longer canon?

[lethal moat]

Dondi said type-O is outdated information

[rigid coral]

I mean, their appearance is only qiute new

[lethal moat]

and type-o is supposed to be the replacment for maghns

[rigid coral]

was the reply, though, quite confusing in what he was referring to

[lethal moat]

Things can change quickly

[rigid coral]

Like Magnas

[lethal moat]

Alright, but when there is a potential lawsuit over magnas being a thing, it's going to be scrapped

[rigid coral]

can there be a lawsuit though?

[lethal moat]

Noi, because magnas no longer exist

[rigid coral]

But, Magnas did exist in legacy; There was no lawsuit.

[lethal moat]

Because they were scrapped

[maiden sundial]

It was an idea and never tried

[rigid coral]

Yes, but still. I believe the creative license with Magnas is held with Don or shared with Don and whomever with PC(E)

[rigid coral]

like most of legacy fair enough

[maiden sundial]

Fortunately now they're trying the ideas.

[rigid coral]

let's see if i's better than legacy

[lethal moat]

@acoustic osprey magnas are officially scrapped right?

[rigid coral]

content creator

[maiden sundial]

By now imo it is. It'll be batter along with gateway

[rigid coral]

gateway?

[maiden sundial]

They've been for a few years

[rigid coral]

is that the velada map?

[lethal moat]

Yes, but he also knows more about lore than anybody except the devs

[maiden sundial]

New map.

[maiden sundial]

velada?

[rigid coral]

i severely doubt that seeing isle's state with lore

[rigid coral]

the one with the beipi, is that the one?

[lethal moat]

My guy, we know very little other than magnas are scrapped

[rigid coral]

oh he's the guy who has the doc

[maiden sundial]

Yea the one with the beipi iirc this map?

[rigid coral]

probably

i just remember velada being the one with the beipi gif in the big lake

[lethal moat]

Thats gateway

[rigid coral]

gateway

what's with the monorail will it work?

[lethal moat]

It's supposedly "usable to some degree" probably just walking on it

[maiden sundial]

Nah. But it's a good way to get from point A to point B

By walking on it

[rigid coral]

sounds a bit pointless then I guuess

will it be in the lore?

[lethal moat]

Saftey from big thing on ground and also entrance to GUTS

[maiden sundial]

I mean its the only other way to get to the other islands that are with gateway. Bar flying or swimming.

[rigid coral]

that's if you can get up to it. if you're stuck on it, highup, and face another guy- like a rex- i guess you're screwed

[rigid coral]

other islands?

[lethal moat]

Smaller islands off the coast

[maiden sundial]

There's two large islands and two small islands on gateway iirc which are off the coast

[rigid coral]

ok

[maiden sundial]

Its a very old map. But it works

[rigid coral]

is that the only human thing?

[maiden sundial]

Nah there's tons of human things on gateway

[rigid coral]

salt licks lol

[rigid coral]

oh?

[lethal moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNyS2JUEJ_g&t=702s&pp=ygUXdGhlIGlzbGUgZ2F0ZXdheSBsYWFjZXI%3D

Yes

[maiden sundial]

Several building locations. Roads and such

[rigid coral]

will they be used?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[rigid coral]

ok

so, is the dome where they put the magnas?

[lethal moat]

Gateway is supposed to be "THE MAP", it should see humans implemented in full capacity on it at some point

[maiden sundial]

Magnas are gone. Reduced to atoms.

[rigid coral]

what if they come back

can they be in the domes?

[lethal moat]

Magnas don't exist, and maybe, we know they are biodomes, but strains go to tartarus, which we don't know what it is

[rigid coral]

are they all biodomes?

[maiden sundial]

They will not come back. And it's probably bio domes or for the strains.

[maiden sundial]

We dunno.

[lethal moat]

The big domes, yes, but there are several bases as well

[rigid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-i-still-dont-get-it-confused-i-still-dont-understand-though-gif-24261979

[lethal moat]

Magnus are officially not the isle, and we don't know whats in the daomes

[maiden sundial]

Strains. Aka the hyperendocrins. Neurotenics. And tissoplastics

[rigid coral]

the hypos?

[lethal moat]

And whatever we don't know

hyper, and yes

[maiden sundial]

Hypers*

[rigid coral]

what about the ai thing?

[rigid coral]

Hyper?

[lethal moat]

We don't know much about replicator, just look in pinned comments for your questions

[rigid coral]

replicator? is that the ai?

[lethal moat]

hyperendocrine is the name

[maiden sundial]

They're designated hyperendocrins. Because they have a really powerful endocrine system iirc. Maybe something else tho.

[lethal moat]

Look in pinned comments

[rigid coral]

which one

[lethal moat]

Yes

[rigid coral]

hyper endocrine?

[maiden sundial]

Mhm.

[rigid coral]

oh ok

[lethal moat]

If you want to know lore, you are going in far enough you can't get out, you need to read all the things

[rigid coral]

all

[maiden sundial]

Hence why they should be called hypers

[rigid coral]

what if they change the name of hyper endocrine to Magnas?

[lethal moat]

Yes, and also scan chat for any comments by dondi

[rigid coral]

so the hypo and the hypers are the same?

[maiden sundial]

Please stop with the idea of magna.

[lethal moat]

I doubt it, but please stop

[rigid coral]

ok

[maiden sundial]

Yea. Just the community abbreviation against true one

[maiden sundial]

Thanks.

[rigid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-so-sad-gif-25352430

[rigid coral]

is there any reason why? or is it just the community being the communiy?

[maiden sundial]

People started calling it hypo

[rigid coral]

oh ok

[lethal moat]

Very sad, but think about tartarus and all the unspeakable horrors within and gain seratonin

[rigid coral]

are mercs sent to kill hypers then?

[rigid coral]

tartarus?

[maiden sundial]

There is no such thing as mercenaries

[lethal moat]

Mercs are probably there to shut down replicator, but we do not know

They are gen 2

[rigid coral]

are the human mercenaries unconfirmed?

[lethal moat]

Called gen 2 now

[rigid coral]

Gen 2?

[maiden sundial]

They aren't mercs. They're called gen 2

[rigid coral]

what is gen 1 then?

[modern rover]

magnas aren't coming back, Dondi has said so himself

thank god, magnas are the worst

[rigid coral]

is this new to evrima?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[rigid coral]

magna were cool

[maiden sundial]

Generation two of the human fabrication program also yes they are new.

[rigid coral]

human fabrication program?

[maiden sundial]

You know the tribals and the eyeless?

[rigid coral]

i heard about tribals and cannibals

is eyeless new as well?

[maiden sundial]

Gens 1 and 1.5 respectively

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 are the (possibly) final result of that program

[modern rover]

magnas were lame as hell lol, a hyper but without the downside, yawn

[maiden sundial]

The eyeless are the cannibals

[lethal moat]

eyeless are the cannibals

[modern rover]

tribals are cannibals, eyeless are... something

[rigid coral]

oh?

[modern rover]

also mercs are no longer accurate to what the humans aim to do on the island

[rigid coral]

are tribals cannibals or eyeless cannibals?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[rigid coral]

what will they do? the gen 2s

[lethal moat]

No idea

[rigid coral]

yes?

[modern rover]

we know they will repair human bases

[lethal moat]

Other than possibly shut down replicator

[rigid coral]

oh

[lethal moat]

yes

[rigid coral]

oh

[modern rover]

doubt we're going to have them shutting down the replicator

since that would just... end the game lol

[rigid coral]

so the replicator, the ai thing, what does it do?

[bold crater]

Spawning only allowed via nesting now

[maiden sundial]

Considering tribals look like this I wouldn't call them cannibals.

[lethal moat]

Dondi said he liked the idea of gen 2 being able to wipe the servers, I imagibned it would be done via shut down replicator

[modern rover]

wdym wouldn't call them cannibals

[rigid coral]

something like this looks like a cannibal

[bold crater]

They've been known as the cannibals for ages now 😮

[rigid coral]

oh ok

[maiden sundial]

Oh.

[bold crater]

[rigid coral]

is the eyeless thing in that photo a "eyeless" or tribal?

[modern rover]

tribal

customisation option

[rigid coral]

doesn't that invalidate the eyeless then?

[maiden sundial]

Here is the eyeless. Very old concept art.

[rigid coral]

unless the actual eyeless thing has a different build, body?

[modern rover]

how?

[rigid coral]

oh, so more flat faced eyeless rather than sunked eyes?

[lethal moat]

Always assume we know very little and what we do know could change at any point

[rigid coral]

eyeless tibal face being eyeless

[maiden sundial]

Yea they quite literally have no eyes tribals have eyes.

[rigid coral]

does the isaac person know?

[modern rover]

i doubt a customisation option invalidates an entire unique playstyle

[rigid coral]

the customisation thing just makes it very confusing

[lethal moat]

He's the one that tought me that

[rigid coral]

oh ok

[modern rover]

the eyeless themselves are likely going to be very different from tribals, considering they tend to be portrayed as far more animalistic than even gen 1

[rigid coral]

so the eyeless are gen 1.5
then they went from big monster, weird eyeless monster to normal human?

[lethal moat]

Other way around, went from tribal to eyeless by sacraficing things to the replicator

[rigid coral]

oh?

[modern rover]

i mean, eyeless do seem to be closer to an actual person than the gen 1 are, so I guess it is an improvement, but eyeless seem to be a way that gen 1 "evolves"

gen 1 does something for the replicator, and is rewarded with the eyeless form

or at least, that's how we understand it

[rigid coral]

so the replicator is some sort fat king geting things sacrificed to it?

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-bored-sleepy-hhmm-throne-gif-15157482

[rigid coral]

oh ok

[bold crater]

There's the theory that the generations of humanoids is a result of Apollo trying to make their own humans from scratch I think. Essentially "perfecting" them. So Gen 2s are where they got it right, at least for the most part as far as we're aware

[lethal moat]

Also, replicator watches through cameras

So many theories

[rigid coral]

what do the humans in evrima look like anyways?

[modern rover]

I mean, it's pretty likely, considering the lack of any and all cloning, and the use of "version numbers" and "updates" when it comes to the assets

[bold crater]

Don did mention a mechanic called Replicator Observation.

[bold crater]

Regular male humans really. They even have hats.

[rigid coral]

hats

[bold crater]

🧢

[lethal moat]

I could have sworn I heard about something with female humans as well that may be something else though

[rigid coral]

if we have males and females as dinosaurs, I suppose the same with humans

[modern rover]

i mean, i doubt we're only getting men

seems weird to do that

[rigid coral]

Alright thank you lads, I am going to chat to Isaac himself abou how well you did.
Thank you, adios

[lethal moat]

[bold crater]

Yeah female Gen 2 are confirmed for the future.

I tremendously doubt they'll show em off in Phase 3 thanks to the chat catastrophe that was the male reveal.

Unless they do it out of spite which yes

[modern rover]

considering gen 2s are supposed to be "perfect humans", and based on how people reacted to the phase three containing the new human models, I wonder how bad the community will react

they literally dubbed a character "John Cake" based on how fat his ass was

[bold crater]

Someone, possibly Issac, pointed out how it's kinda weird that they show so little body fat and instead seem more engineered for cosmetic appeal rather than survival. So I guess that kinda screws with the perfection thing.

But it could honestly just be design choice for the game

[modern rover]

i still think AE has done cosmetics or is doing cosmetics

[lethal moat]

AE is involved in pretty much everything as I understand

[modern rover]

Tissoplastic genuinely feels to me like the strain that was developed for the purpose of cosmetics

[lethal moat]

I agree

[modern rover]

"Plastic Tissue" seems pretty telling

Especially something that can change its skin to how it sees fit at will

[lethal moat]

Neuro for brain or nervous system related stuff

[modern rover]

Hyper for physical, obviously

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-steve-meat-canyon-meat-canyon-gif-1658802658835191648

you could've just pinged me jordon

[bold crater]

Not long ago, the theory of Tissoplastic being for regenerating things like lost limbs was brought up and Don posted some GIF that was essentially like "you're on the right track"

[lethal moat]

Oh really?

[acoustic osprey]

And now with word about it crossing with The Matriarch is nice

[modern rover]

IDK, I feel like hypers would fit better based on "insane massive heal factor" thing

[lethal moat]

I LOVE the idea behind the matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

where they practically are related
Tissos and The Matriarch

[modern rover]

Oh yea, the matriach would be essentially like the tisso

[acoustic osprey]

I much prefer Evrima's idea version than Legagcy

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if Reaper will be renamed "The Patriarch" lol

[modern rover]

Hell, the matriach even has some of the design elements of the tisso

[acoustic osprey]

intertwined!!

[lethal moat]

Explain the difference, I definitely know the differance, just testing to see if you do xD

[bold crater]

Immediate Killing Floor flashbacks

[modern rover]

What's unique about the matriarch is it almost feels like it is a living strain, rather than something affected by a strain

[lethal moat]

The extremeist evolving organism

[wicked brook]

The animations for that thing alone and sounds gonna have different ones for every evolution path it can take

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message

#isle-lore-theories message

A rapidly evolving creature that can intake biomass and reproduce certain physical properties.

[lethal moat]

Also, yay, glad to see you are interested in lore

[modern rover]

I do like the idea that the matriarch isn't supposed to exist

Although I do wonder if it's ever been mentioned what it's the mother of, or why it has that title?

[wicked brook]

Mabey it’s the “mother” of the different strains

[lethal moat]

Question is, what is it the byproduct of?

[acoustic osprey]

research, likely Tissos

[modern rover]

i imagine tissos, yea

[wicked brook]

An alien parasite mabey?

[modern rover]

nah, no aliens

would be a weird drop to suddenly have aliens

[wicked brook]

Hmmm i suppose

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

Yeah, we don't really like that word here

[acoustic osprey]

aliens!!

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-scared-screaming-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-15819047

[wicked brook]

I’m too much of a sci-fy nerd to not bring it up

[modern rover]

more than likely, the matriarch is
A: A creature unintentionally exposed to the tissoplastic strain
B: Essentially the sentient, purified form of tissoplastic, constantly growing, changing and evolving

[wicked brook]

I agree that’s the mostly likely options

[bold crater]

Matriarch reminds me of both the game [PROTOTYPE] and Calvin from Life.

[modern rover]

I feel more inclined to believe B, since no tissoplastic creature shows close to how extreme the Matriarchs adaptation is

[wicked brook]

Has it been agreed upon yet that the Dino’s have human minds downloaded to them from the AI or nah?

[lethal moat]

What if strains are meant to be kept away from replicator and matriach is a result of replicator getting it's (somethibng) on the tisso strain and mutating it?

[modern rover]

That's dead in the water iirc

Pretty sure that died with legacy lore

[wicked brook]

Darn

[bold crater]

I don't think it's technically been debunked, but it seems highly unlikely and I hope to God it stays that way.

I want to be scared of freaky animals, not "oh it's some rando" pls. YES I KNOW YOU CAN ARGUE IT'S PLAYERS CONTROLLING THEM ANYWAYS IT'S DIFFERENT

[modern rover]

I mean, from what I've seen, the replicator has never been able to make anything on its own. It needs input for output

[bold crater]

Replicator, not Fabricator

[lethal moat]

Exactly, it edits things, but what if it edits something it was never meant to know about

[modern rover]

Its the AE scientists that update and change the animals and feed it to the replicator for creation. Like a life-giving 3D printer

[wicked brook]

What if it replicates imperfectly the more it’s used the more it changes what it replicates

[bold crater]

Honestly not a bad idea

[acoustic osprey]

Old lore. Mostly, to what I can understand, is why Olympus Transmitter was deleted. (twitter)
has it heavily linked Profiles (forgot the technical abbreviation) are no longer a thing

[modern rover]

Based on the fact it's a "byproduct of research", it's more likely AE themselves are responsible, not the replicator

It also probably is why the replicator desires "sacrifice", because it wants "input"

[lethal moat]

Probably, but I like my theories

[modern rover]

I personally don't like the idea of the replicator being the universal answer to every question honestly

I like the replicator, but it's still a machine that does what it was made to do at its core

[wicked brook]

Ok wild idea what if two different tisso strains were able to reproduce if this happened often enough it could theoretically lead to something like the matriarch

[lethal moat]

I just love replicator and (need) want to know more

[modern rover]

I think that's cool, but at the same time, weird to call the offspring the matriarch

based on the name, it's possible that tissoplastic came after the matriarch, making it the "mother of tissoplastic"