isle-lore-theories

[rustic nexus]

Sigh

[acoustic osprey]

Connected? No
Aspects? "Yeah"

[hexed violet]

do they genetically make cave men

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals

[fringe marsh]

Nah. Not that we know of.

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals!!!

[fringe marsh]

Tribals ain’t cavemen tho

[strange shell]

They live in caves
Therefore they are cavemen

[modern rover]

Don't they build small homes

It's the eyeless that really like caves

[strange shell]

I mean the only concept art of a tribal in its environment we have, it's in a cave

[gentle vessel]

But Don said they are gonna build stuff so I doubt they will be cave dwellers

[maiden sundial]

No the eyeless are blind. The tribals. Gen 1. Arent

[gentle vessel]

I said build, not blind

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-fix-it-gif-15364309

[acoustic osprey]

eh, uh, eh maybe

I mean, you know, best art 😊

caveman in simplicity!

[icy onyx]

AE after Dino’s weren’t enough

[icy onyx]

One day I'll return here

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[inland ridge]

did the humans make the dinos or did they appear out of nowhere

[modern rover]

human-made

[acoustic osprey]

^

[inland ridge]

that could explain the cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aja-jim-carrey-ace-ventura-pet-detective-hrmm-gif-5703800

[inland ridge]

the isle is already terrifying cant wait for the cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

https://survive-the-isle.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eyeless

[inland ridge]

looks lovely

if i see that thing it will not catch me going under mach 6

[topaz lance]

Bro playing as human is gonna be the ENTIRE Horror experience

Especially With the Creepypasta Ass Eyeless!?!?!

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

[shy eagle]

cant wait to see that 2050 in evirma

[maiden sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-never-heard-that-one-before-gif-11561148

[hexed flax]

Whydidym?

[hexed violet]

primal carnage T. rex is hypo the isle T. rex?

[sonic rampart]

No, PC and TI are entirely disconnected now

Hyper rex has always been its own thing, iirc you're thinking of magna rex

[unborn knot]

isnt the eyeless playable?

[sonic rampart]

Not right now

But iirc it's planned to be

[unborn knot]

wull yea lol

its not going to come out for a while.

[sonic rampart]

An old clip mentioned that we won't know their real name (yet?) because it gives away the method of obtaining them

[unborn knot]

wait what?

its an earned creature?

[sonic rampart]

We don't know, that clip is years old and anything could have changed about them

We haven't gotten any updates on Gen 1 in a while

[unborn knot]

ah i see, any news on 6.5?

[sonic rampart]

This is a channel to discuss lore

[shell badger]

ok so whats the lore so far that we know of for evirma

[acoustic osprey]

(As I already posted it in Isle Discussion, I'll do so again here!)

Here is pretty much the basics

AE (Apollo Engineering) is a bio-engineering company
AE made dinosaurs. AE also made mutated (strained) dinosaurs.
This took place all around the 90s (approximate)

AE also made mutated humans
- When? Who knows, but we can presume during AE's "Prime" in the 90s (?)
- These humans are known as "Tribals"/Cannibals/Generation One

Tribals slowly went crazy and mad per cycle

Sometime later, around current modern times, AE makes Generation Two
- Generation Two are also known as "Mercs" ||just to clarify, they aren't mercenaries any longer||/Humans
There is soo much more. But some of it is speculative canon and some of it is unconfirmed canon (lore from Legacy that we don't know will be in Evrima)

[icy onyx]

i like the isle lore it’s very interesting. But what I need to know is did humans try to almost befriend the passive wildlife

[acoustic osprey]

passive wildlife as in the Dinos or the Modern AI?

[idle shadow]

are you still adding to the wiki?

[acoustic osprey]

one step at a time

but yeah, haven't done much recently as I've been away (mostly)

[idle shadow]

sound good

i would help, but i do not know how to are planning it

[icy onyx]

Yeees ( this is official lore now)

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

I have been reading some post here. WTF is all that about Neuro rex and weather changes?

I'm so lost with all that

[pearl flint]

Oops i posted on the wrong channel, my bad

Anyways, what's the game's lore?

[calm axle]

human makes dinosaur . dinosaur destroy human . human make humans . then i dont know

[pearl flint]

Human kill dinogod

[maiden sundial]

Basically humans made dinosaurs for experimentation and I guess practice to make better humans. Dinosaurs also used for medicinal purposes. Like the strains like hyperendocrine

They also made monsters like echidna. The eyeless. And the tribals(gen 1)

[pearl flint]

What's an echidna? Like the irl animal?

[sonic rampart]

No, the name comes from the Greek legend Echidna

[maiden sundial]

What lunary said. Basically she is the top on the neuro strain. It's possible she probably broke herself out with the help of tribals and her children the eyeless aka the cannibals.

[pearl flint]

But none of that is yet implemented in the evrima version? Or is it related to those buildings around the map? I tend to stay away cause fear

[modern rover]

not in, yet

the new Gateway map has a LOT more lore implications and links tho

specifically giant structures

which could potentially house some of The Isle's more unique and dangerous inhabitants

including massive domes and an indepth underground system of tunnels and facilities

[pearl flint]

Interesting tbh

Wish large parts of abandoned facilities were in evrima server

Imagine showdowns as pachy/raptors in labs or offices

[modern rover]

that's actually something that's in gateway

you can find several offices around the island

[pearl flint]

Noice

[fringe marsh]

Anybody else feel like The Isle is gonna have more supernatural and paranormal events than straight up scientific ones? Like it’s called ‘The Isle’ not ‘Apollo Engineering.’ I believe there’s something unnatural about the Island referenced in the game’s title. Also helps explain why the hell anybody would make dinosaurs.

[agile whale]

And maybe mutate human beings?

[fringe marsh]

I can understand mutated humans more. Maybe they wanted to create super-soldiers or something.

But resurrecting (or recreating) dinosaurs hardly ever makes sense.

[agile whale]

but the humans have a cannibalistic instinct.
Super soilders doesnt seem like a good term to describe them. Id say more of "Experimental Accidents"

[fringe marsh]

Especially since AE is supposed to be a pharma company.

[fringe marsh]

Maybe AE intended for super soldiers but ended up getting cannibals.

[agile whale]

So it was sort of a mishappening

[fringe marsh]

Maybe

[strange shell]

Why does anything related to genetic engineering has to be military ? Widen your scope, people
Genetic engineering is first and foremost a tool for medicine

[agile whale]

making dinosaurs for medicine?

[strange shell]

Also (according to old lore) it seems like the tribals weren't intended
The replicator made them by its own will

[strange shell]

Apparently the dinosaurs are there because AE found a way to recreate them farily easily, and legally it's better to experiment on animals that don't exist rather than live ones (yeah I think this explanation is dubious)

[void apex]

Archosaurs in general have absurd healing properties. So yeah.

And then there's the whole strain thing

which is 100% medicine

One about an increased strength and recovery for the cost of a heightened metabolism
One about increased intellect for the cheap cost of losing your skin
One that's... honestly I do not know what tissoplastic does anymore, nobody does except maybe some in the dev team

just do away with the side effects and you got yourself a drug that everybody wants

[strange shell]

Neuros

Still wondering how they got to making dinos in the first place tho

[void apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

probably saw some ancient property ancestral to all bird's genomes

and then thought "what if we go back further and see if it is there"

but that wouldn't work considering the lania, the titanoboer and the deinosuchus

[strange shell]

I think they got the tech to basically create any creature existing or not
And someone said "Hey I love dinos"
So they made dinos
They could have made dragons or unicorns
But they chose to make dinos because of one nerd

[maiden sundial]

They did. The replicator. Though there is a price apparently

Albeit they have to be real

At least I think

[strange shell]

Well yeah but I mean, the replicator can not make dinos only
It can also make pterosaurs, giant reptiles, mutants and idk what else
Maybe entire islands

[maiden sundial]

I'm gonna say it's purely biological. Not geological.

[strange shell]

Remember the "Region 2 - Status : Replicating" thing ?
Might be old lore but it shows it was considered

[maiden sundial]

Perhaps. The replicator may be geological as well.

[fringe marsh]

Oh yeah of course. But why make trbals for medicine?

I could maybe see it being an accident like, "we tested a medicine on some dudes and it turned them into orcs."

But like uh, why the dinosaurs?

[strange shell]

As I already said, I don't think tribals were intentionnal

[fringe marsh]

Yeah tribals are the least of my worries. I'm saying tribals are easier to explain. The dinosaurs are the issue.

[void apex]

Tribals were probably an error in the GEN2 project

the GEN1, or tribals, were defective

they turned to worship the replicator that had created them

[fringe marsh]

"Maybe they created them to act as lab rats, as to test the medicine?" Why exactly? I mean plenty of companies get away with animal testing today. You telling me AE could afford to make dinosaurs but not like, a couple lawyers and some rats? Not that dinosaurs would be a good thing to test medicine on unless you're trying to cure animals that're like dinosaurs.

"Maybe they were made for the military?" Dinosaurs would not be effective in the military at all. Strains could be, but not as dinosaurs.

And I doubt they're going with the Jurassic Park route of "oh it'd be a cool park"

[void apex]

Whatever the GEN project is, it likely surrounds creating a perfected human

hence the greek god musculature of the GEN2

[fringe marsh]

Oh yeah. Human stuff isn't the problem at all.

Or I have no problem understanding it.

[strange shell]

I had a theory that the dinos were needed to develop some of their products

[fringe marsh]

How so?

[strange shell]

Like the strains naturally develop in the body of some extinct species only (like an extinct bacteria or virus) and they need living hosts to extract them and make things out of them (which includes giving superpowers to dinos because why not)

[void apex]

The 'Dinosaurs have no rights since they're extinct, therefor all testing is moral' argument?

oh nvm

[fringe marsh]

I despise this argument

[pseudo fable]

Actually, almost.

[strange shell]

I knew you were lurking

[fringe marsh]

Damn.

[void apex]

Is this the third or fourth time I have randomly done a shot in the dark that almost hits

[fringe marsh]

Ignoring the "almost" and just taking it as fact, why? Like wouldn't testing on dinosaurs be useless if they're making medicine or something for humans? Wouldn't homo erectus or some other type of extinct homo species make more sense?

I mean clearly I'm missing a lot but still

[void apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if they want to use humans, they can genetically create H. sapiens too

and if they do some fancy term for early lobotomy, they can probably justify their testing that way

[celest coyote]

Well aren’t the dinosaurs built from the ground up? Rather than the JP thing of getting Dino DNA they make them wholecloth. So I think it would be easier for them to just get some Homo sapiens DNA rather than trying to build a new species for testing

[fringe marsh]

Hell, I doubt they'd need to recreate any sort of prehistoric life. Could they not just hire a lawyer or too and get away with animal testing that happens anyways in the modern day?

[strange shell]

That would be, if they didn't have the replicator doing the work for them

[void apex]

Perhaps these medical strains are most common in the species they have chosen?

[strange shell]

Tell me which is cooler
A lawyer, or DINOSAURS ?

[void apex]

All replicated animals have something in common (other than the humans), they are reptiles

and all but two are mesozoic

[fringe marsh]

Reptiles, both of em.

[void apex]

and the two that aren't are squamates, rather than archosarus

[celest coyote]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the replicator would need to… replicate things? Like it needs the base to build off of right?

[void apex]

so there could be something there

[strange shell]

I honestly don't know

[celest coyote]

Darn.our incredible theoryweaving foiled by just not knowing things once again!

[fringe marsh]

But what's with the multiple different species then? Like let's say they create these dinosaurs as to farm a strain from them, why have some 50 different species?

[celest coyote]

It’s dope as hell?

[fringe marsh]

And how the hell do you come across that?

[void apex]

Differing anatomies, differing metabolism, differing body sizes and overall different factors that can push them one way or another

[fringe marsh]

Yeah sure but AE is a pharma company. They gotta have some type of incentive right?

[void apex]

think about the sheer amount of difference there is between a chimp and a human

and how closely related they are

having only 60 species is honestly quite low

to make sure that it works well on humans that is

[strange shell]

Might actually be something like JP
In that they don't choose what dino comes out of the egg

[fringe marsh]

Well wouldn't just testing it on a human make more sense?

[void apex]

of course, but then we have my previous argument

[strange shell]

But all of that doesn't explain why they're trying to make them into an ecosystem

[celest coyote]

Well I think if it was JUST medicine and pharmaceuticals they could have made it a lot more sterile and cut out a lot of wastage,and seeing how they aren’t meant to be a default evil Megacorp they have to have some second motivation for dinosaurs. Maybe the CEO just thinks they’re neat?

[void apex]

Having these strains interact naturally

or something

[fringe marsh]

Why not just introduce them into an actual ecosystem then?

[strange shell]

Well that would destroy said ecosystem

[void apex]

harder to regulate artificially

they can alter the genome of their species

[fringe marsh]

And AE would care? AE has a private island and can resurrect dinosaurs.

[void apex]

outside interference hurts results

[strange shell]

The cool thing with the fact it's a remote island they populated themselves, is that if a hungry giant green lizard eats everything then dies at least they can start over

[fringe marsh]

Like I'm saying head to the island with a bunch of normal animals and just dump them there.

[strange shell]

That might be what they did
And the ecosystem was destroyed

[celest coyote]

That is what they are doing tho isn’t it? I mean we have the modern prey animals on the island,so that could be what they did

[fringe marsh]

Right, so why the dinosaurs?

[void apex]

"Perhaps these medical strains are most common in the species they have chosen?"

[strange shell]

BECAUSE DINOS ARE COOL AND DONDI IS A FAN OF JURASSIC PARK
That's why

[fringe marsh]

Right but just have a bunch of the one species.

[celest coyote]

Could be the dinosaurs go particularly well with the strains,we know that implantation can fail due to the mentions of failed projects with the human samples and deaths

[fringe marsh]

Also, aren't the animals not actual resurrected dinosaurs but instead their recreation of dinosaurs? Like from the ground up and stuff? The strains wouldn't come from them being dinosaurs but instead from how they're being created.

[void apex]

Different factors in different species. There's so much to take into account.

You can't have the sample size of a singular species.

Especially considering you are experimenting with 3 (4) strains at the same time

[strange shell]

As I wrote earlier, they may not be able to decide which species they're creating
So they just created a lot of them and ended up with 60 species

[void apex]

H - Hyperendocrine
N - Neurotenic
T - Tissoplastic
(O) - I have no clue

[celest coyote]

Yeah the dinosaurs aren’t actually dinosaurs they just aesthetically look like them,hence the omniraptor and obligatory paleological inaccuracy that comes from us not knowing what they really looked like

Maybe they were designed with testing the strains in mind?

[fringe marsh]

Right but why are they making some 50 different species to test on when those 50 different species are nothing like humans?

[void apex]

Because when tested on humans, they become 9ft tall monstrocities with murderous tendencies, while the dinosaurs stay relatively similar I suppose

they are fine tuning them until they fully understand the strains, only to then use them in medicine

[fringe marsh]

Don't the dinosaurs also become much larger monsters?

[void apex]

That's when the strain fully activates, but they all appear to have the strains lying dormant within them

[fringe marsh]

So you're saying an inactive strain in a human would get you a tribal?

[celest coyote]

Humans become the colossus or echidna,much more dangerous than a hypo omni or carno

[void apex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

perhaps the strains themselves can not be dormant in humans

[celest coyote]

Maybe it gets the feral cannibals

[void apex]

and only in reptiles meeting specific conditions

they just have to fine tune them until they can cram them into your average joe

[celest coyote]

And make sure it doesn’t turn into a kaiju

[fringe marsh]

Right but how does testing a strain on 50+ reptilian species from 70 million years ago (kinda) help you understand how those strains effect humans or figure out how to make them work for other animals?

[void apex]

I have explained this before, it feels like you aren't listening to me

[celest coyote]

Because the strains are a misnomer,they aren’t microscopic,they are tissue that gets implanted. This is why echidna was a big deal,all the previous people died

[void apex]

Find strains -> Find what animals strains do not work on -> Find the animals the strains work on -> figure out why the strains work on them -> modify the strains with gene technology -> Try again

[fringe marsh]

Oh alright that makes some sense.

It still feels odd though.

[celest coyote]

Plus find what animals become untenable to test on,maybe mammals have an enhanced reaction to the strains,not just humans

[void apex]

Mammals just suck at adapting sometimes

while some chad crocodile just randomly lives with 48 tumours, a ripped off jaw and three front limbs and survives to the ripe old age of 37

[celest coyote]

But in this case they could adapt too well,the killing machine deinosuchus is dangerous sure but in comparison to a colossus that used to be a little ape fellow,not so much. Plus imagine if you took meds from a pharmacy and turned into a kaiju,they would get so many one star reviews

[strange shell]

I would leave a 5-star review
"I came here looking for meds for my coughing and now I'm throwing skycrapers at people for fun.
And my coughing is gone."

[celest coyote]

They just switch the advertising and put on the bottom of the bottle “warning:causes munchies”

[acoustic osprey]

Easy lab rats to see and test, less rights (and from Don, only some) and portray that you (the company) can both create life and perfect life

[acoustic osprey]

We have no idea of what she properly does, just that she rewards Tribals

But it could be replication as in "seeing a creature existing
and recreating"

Or lines of genetic code and replicating, although I believe that's more of synthesising?

[icy onyx]

Both

[pale marsh]

Lore nerds!
Is the replicator of confirmed human origin?

[modern rover]

it would. I believe it's AE that makes the base structure, or blueprint, feeds it to the replicator, then the replicator simply recreates that blueprint in an efficient manner

[void apex]

It's a machine and is at least owned by AE, I'd be surprised if it wasn't created by humans

there's nothing to indicate that it wasn't

except the nigh magical properties it has

[maiden sundial]

I thought someone said it was some form of alien tech?

[rustic urchin]

I’d guess it’s human made and simply got out of control, seems to fit the theme

But alien origin would be interesting

[strange shell]

I believe there is someone inside the replicator
Either a full-on person, a brain, or just a soul (if we go the spiritualist route that is)

[gentle vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-glados-robot-gaming-gameplay-gif-17551452

[fringe marsh]

I believe the replicator is an AE made machine that's been sort of 'possessed' or corrupted by the island.

[maiden sundial]

I doubt the islands have anything to do with it. Perhaps the replicator been hijacked

There's one very valid subject for who did it

[fringe marsh]

Echidna go brrr

[slate pewter]

What is this place?

Oh lad

[pale marsh]

Idk if im convinced the replicator could be purely human in origin
The idea that AE has the tech to create such a device and then lose complete control of just doesn't sit right with me

And paranormal ghosts of the island and some super AI. Are.
Imo
Dumb

[strange shell]

This is @acoustic osprey 's lair
Get out of here before he notices you

[strange shell]

Same

[fringe marsh]

Losing complete track of it sounds right actually.

But I also prefer the idea that the island itself is strange in of itself.

[slate pewter]

Okay

[pale marsh]

Granted aliens or something isn't much more grounded

[fringe marsh]

You guys ever watch Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2? Replace the food with dinosaurs and that's my headcanon.

[pale marsh]

Cloudy with a chance of spinosaurus Aegypticus

[fringe marsh]

Yeah basically.

[strange shell]

Yeah but apart from aliens and humans, there aren't much things out there who can build machines, let alone sentient ones

[stoic void]

Actually raw idea

[fringe marsh]

Like I imagine the replicator is just pumping out dino after dino.

[fringe marsh]

Let alone in the 90's.

[carmine marsh]

i was about the make the exact same comparison but with the first film.

you know how at first he has complete control, but after replicating so much the food begins to build around the machine and eventually he loses control?

come to think of it actually, that franchise is pretty much exactly what's happening here.

[fringe marsh]

Mhm. I was just using the second one as a comparison given that it's set on an island. The machine itself sorta at the core of the island almost acting like a heart.

[pale marsh]

Yeaa
Idk the idea
I'd hope to see
Is like
Salvaged alien tech found in some archaeological dig
That's then reverse engineered into what will become the replicator

[carmine marsh]

the replicator

[strange shell]

I would actually like it if there was no explanation for the Replicator. Like, AE found it there, but they never found who built it. And no one will ever know.
I know it sounds cheap, but unanswered questions are often much better than questions with a bad answer

[fringe marsh]

I like the idea that the island (The Isle) is sort of alive with the replicator as it's heart or brain.

[sullen gulch]

?

Was rewatching the first trailer for evrima

And what does this mean?

[sonic rampart]

Primal Carnage/Phoenix International is no longer connected to the game's lore

[sullen gulch]

Ok

[slate pewter]

Hello there

[sullen gulch]

Hi

[acoustic osprey]

Nothing, as per Super, Hope. has basically no correlation to Isle's current lore and should only be viewed as a possible route for few theories

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/babies-tiktok-memes-gif-20080194

[gentle vessel]

Honestly to me, the islands weirdness can be explained by ae tech gone loopy

Like stuff that thanks to no repair has gone wacky

[rustic urchin]

Yea this is still the best replicator analogue there is

Can’t believe the isle copied cloudy with a chance of meatballs

[icy onyx]

I don’t think you should be self quoting around here…

[rustic urchin]

I will self quote (I need to subtlety prove I made the reference first)

[fringe marsh]

Cloudy with a chance of meatballs and it's sequel is actually just The Isle but with food instead of dinosaurs.

[severe raft]

[oblique sable]

am stupid what the hell is GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

Generic Underground Transport System

Basically the whole tunnel/underground system for Gateway

[oblique sable]

Ah

Thank ya

[swift echo]

do we have anything on what was/is Tartarus

[fringe marsh]

He's the guy from Berserk.

[chrome acorn]

We have theories

[swift echo]

id love to hear yall ramble abt them if you can

[acoustic osprey]

uh

[acoustic osprey]

well, we have confirmation Tartarus exists within Gateway
Gateway being the gateway to Tartarus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png

[chrome acorn]

Not sure what the most recent conversation about it was but last time I was here we were guessing something about it possibly being catastrophic

Now that I’m looking at the glance sheet again the bottom does kinda have a gate looking thing infront of it

[acoustic osprey]

Then, looking at the glance sheet for GUTS (presumably of Gateway, no confirmation)
We can observe broken lines from multiple "sites/designations" falling down to a certain "section" that splits off into three different parts

This being a network diagram, there is a possibility the broken lines mean "change in altitude"
And seeing as it's literally down, I and others have theorised that it could be literally routes/tunnels of GUTS that go down to Tartarus

The three "parts/sections" below it, if true, could be Hyper/Neuros/Tissos

[chrome acorn]

Glance Reference sheet*

[acoustic osprey]

Network graph!!!

[chrome acorn]

I was correcting myself

[acoustic osprey]

However, no confirmation or (iirc) a word/statement on it by Don whenever I have brought it up here

[acoustic osprey]

You have 3 seconds

[chrome acorn]

I’m now going to act like I was correcting you

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[chrome acorn]

Guesses for these blanks then

[acoustic osprey]

the bottom ones?

[chrome acorn]

Si

[acoustic osprey]

guessing, if Tartarus, likely the three strains

and their separate divisions for research, safe bet

[chrome acorn]

I was thinking the same and one of the two blanks right above could be “Tartarus”

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[limber axle]

where it comes Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

?

[limber axle]

what is that

[acoustic osprey]

No confirmation on what is specifically is
But going over what is Apollo Engineering, you can guess one of a few different possibilities

It being a facility/facility section
a prison/holding cell(s)
a region/section that is neither a facility nor prison but holds something

and is within Gateway

It is named after Tartarus, from Greek Mythos
Which was an underground prison

It held multiple Gods, notably the Titans
Such as Kronos

[zinc marsh]

I know probably everyone else has seen this but I was re-reading the galli page and just noticed “the feathered ones didn’t do this” potentially meaning there is a subspecies of more docile gallis and a more aggressive version, idk if this counts as lore but I didn’t know where else to put it

[fringe marsh]

Idk what they're talking about. Legacy gallis were monsters.

[maiden sundial]

They were monsters. But they weren't omnivores

[modern rover]

legacy ones weren't feathered

they're canonically also monsters

[fringe marsh]

There were feathered ones in legacy

[modern rover]

in the early days maybe

[fringe marsh]

It was for a couple years at least. Like til 2018 I wanna say.

Wasn't until survival was around for a bit.

[maiden sundial]

The 2015 to 2017 model was

[stone crater]

Huh. Interesting that the assumption is that the TSL models are canon, then.

[acoustic osprey]

Likely not

Seeing as Don said to not link other things with The Isle

However, to note, they did/used to own the licensing (rights) to some of the models

[maiden sundial]

ST apparently

[acoustic osprey]

(wrong channel)

[fringe marsh]

Write that down boys!

[strange shell]

Hmmmm tribals news

Pretty much worthless at this point but still news

[icy onyx]

okay my theory might be pretty suvck because i only started
what is these mutated guys aka cannibals are same tribalsmen but under the experiments of apollo engineers

[maiden sundial]

Deimos? Interesting...

Son of ares

[ionic sable]

I understand nothing. But it's a cool name nonetheless

[lethal moat]

More greek things

[scarlet verge]

For what it's worth. Deimos was the God of Panic. Phobos was the God of Fear. (They're also the names of Mars's two moons)

[maiden sundial]

And if you are going off of GOW. Deimos is the brother of kratos

[ionic sable]

Had a pretty good conversation with @acoustic osprey

[acoustic osprey]

Note, I just woke up lol

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's in reverse, although they have been often confused as the other quite easily

[scarlet verge]

Hmmm...so reading that conversation made me think. In Jewish folklore, aren't one of the reasons Golems are brought to life is to be protectors? Could the Greek names reference only AE creations, where the Golem is referencing the replicator sacrificing tribals to create a new "Golem" for it's own protection? Like say against the dinos on the island or against AE trying to destroy it?

[ionic sable]

Working backwards, I don't think that the dinosaurs being "against Apollo" makes much sense, as they are simply animals.

And the Golem nomenclature along with the Greek was a combined title, not really to be considered separate, as implied by the full message Don sent, it appears to be an ID for an active test or project by AE, not likely one leading into the other for vice-versa.

And Golems being protectors is kinda a modern fantasy trope, not necessarily actual mythological lore. So most likely Golem is in reference to the creation process as assumed by "trials" and the aforementioned project ID.

Although it is a very interesting connection to make to the replicator, although when the ID would have been made, the replicator would likely still just be a tool for Apollo, assuming it does go rogue in the end.

Also something I forgot to mention to Light, GOLEM, since it's in all caps, could very well be an acronym, same as DEIMOS, although less likely.

[scarlet verge]

These are all great points. It just seemed weird to include two ancient civilizations together in the naming of the project/test. Especially when almost everything is normally Greek.

I was wondering about DEIMOS being an acronym for sure. I wonder if any of the letters are the same as something like GUTS which is just an acronym and not related to actual guts or anything historical

[ionic sable]

Also here is both messages for archival purposes.

Also there is a distinct possibility, however unlikely, that the m8 could be something other than just an abbreviation of mate.

[scarlet verge]

Weird that the m wouldn't be capitalized though

[ionic sable]

Very true, unless it's a delineation

Although that's a bit of a stretch, thought it would be worth tossing out there

[wet pagoda]

wowie the isle lore?

[ionic sable]

ikr

[wet pagoda]

ong

[obsidian gull]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-fight-fighting-cat-fight-angry-gif-4207440

[raw dove]

[lethal moat]

First things first

GOLEM is an acronym

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/GOLEM

Second, the only thing I found relating to Ceti what a epidermal growth hormone

That leads me to thing of things like the robot quetza we saw in the quetz concept art

I know it's flimsy, but it's all I got.

[acoustic osprey]

Don't forget, Golem isn't a thing
As if a "Golem" trial for Tribals

[acoustic osprey]

Well it might not be

As it isn't a clear dotted acronym

[shell remnant]

nah they are just testing if tribals can defeat an iron golem from minecraft

(wow i'm so funny)

[acoustic osprey]

And electro magnetics wouldn't make sense for Tribals

[acoustic osprey]

Real!!

[shell remnant]

in all seriousness, isn't it possible that golem is more of a codename for something? Like Alphonse is/was Quetz

and the -ceti would be a sub-something

possibly a way of identifying which is which

[lethal moat]

That's what i'm thinking

[shell remnant]

or, the ceti part that @lethal moat had IS correct, so it's testing codename "Golem" with the epidermal growth hormone

just my thoughts

[lethal moat]

If it's god of panic, possibly neuro tribals to scare normal tribals away from bases

[shell remnant]

i'm thinking it's a colossus

wait epiderm is skin right?

possibly a plant

epidermis is a plant part

[prisma steppe]

[lethal moat]

Epidermis is the top layer of skin

Ok, what discussion do the devs respond to stuff in?

And there is one plant monster concept from really early in the isle

[shell remnant]

look wikitionary told me what i said

[lethal moat]

Ight

[acoustic osprey]

Fear, not panic

[lethal moat]

My idea still applies

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think epidermal growth would be very fitting for Tribals, which grow up to roughly ~8ft

but I'm not sure where you got that reference for, for Ceti?

more growth of the epidermis would just result in hyperkeratosis (which just means an excessive growth of the top layer of skin. Nothing resulting in being super tall)

[acoustic osprey]

And seeing as it's in reference to Tribals
Colossus is a possibility- but this seemed more in relation to Tribals in general

Could be a trial for Tribals to see if specific assets are capable of a higher placement?
Depends on Tribals and their relation to AE

• Maybe this is how Eyeless were created. Maybe Eyeless were originally designed as bodyguards, by AE, for something; The Replicator? Something in Tartarus? Or just being "Tribals but more specialised for whatever reason"

in the end, it's a buzz word that we'll have to look for in the future

and something I'm gonna put down in the document

[acoustic osprey]

Well, Golem is just a folktale
to which is embedded very heavily in modern society

We also can see the relation to the "Tree of Life" ||Whatever it's called in Judaism|| with the Network Graph sent late last year

[lethal moat]

Maybe we get new llore with new dinos?\

[acoustic osprey]

always, although I presume like the rest in P3
tinier crumbs than anything else

Learning about these buzz words now are very good though

[lethal moat]

Got it

[acoustic osprey]

so we know what to look
(but not to forget, red herrings always exist. Always be alert for the unknown)

[lethal moat]

I am curious to see if they reactivate olympus transmitter when gateway comnes out

[acoustic osprey]

I do wonder

Well, we know from ERRANT-291, that Olympus Transmitter was offline
but how recent is that from "current time period"? Who knows

[lethal moat]

Peresonal theory: Neuro got employee to try to reactivate transmitter to bring in more food

[acoustic osprey]

Which neuro

[lethal moat]

I don't think it matters to the theory, but we only really know enough about the spino

Personasl thought

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say more of Echidna trying to lure people

As we know she can replicate human voices she has heard before

Imagine if it was more interpreted like a siren, capable of mimicking only voices it heard. The distress signals that come from the short-range communication on the island, and the voices heard in transmissions are from already deceased individuals that are now being used as lures.

[lethal moat]

Probably more likely

[acoustic osprey]

Shame to know that all the old transmissions from Olympus are not canon

[fringe marsh]

I like the idea of the Echidna being sort of like a lyre bird and mimicking noises that aren’t always human. So if the Echidna hears an audio broadcast with poor audio quality, the Echidna would replicate that poor quality.

Or alternatively mimicking noises that aren’t even humans talking. Like maybe it would mimic gunfire and screams at the same time.

[acoustic osprey]

better version of Troodon mimicry, more scary

[lethal moat]

Mimicry in all it's forms is going to up the fear in the game 10 fold

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[lethal moat]

Then there is going to be the sparring system, which could be extremely dangerous for everyone involved

[ionic sable]

Kinda like the lore

[lethal moat]

The question is though, is apollo engineering it's own entity or is it government backed?

[bold crater]

Do we know or have any theory as to why Echidna would want to lure people in in the first place?

[lethal moat]

Yummy, thats why

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[bold crater]

[acoustic osprey]

Food
To sacrifice to the Replicator

Who knows. Besides Dondi

[bold crater]

Something is telling me it's prolly either Replicator related or for like.....a "project." Like using the victims for something.

[lethal moat]

Ok, whaqt exactly is the replicator? I've seen it mentioned a lot, but I dojn't know what it is

[bold crater]

Spooky god-AI that can replicate things like creatures.

[acoustic osprey]

She replicates things

[bold crater]

Possibly even environments based on an old Region 2 teaser. Back when it was "acquired" and gonna be put into the map. Mentioned something about replicating it.

I know that whole teaser is irrelevant now, but the LORE

I don't see that mentioned much and it interests me a ton.

Because if she can replicate environments, that opens up all sorts of weird things. Artificial biomes n' such.

I still want to know how she replicates stuff though. Like.....is it a big KF2-style meat grinder that just splurts out creatures? O_o

Grind up useless meat, make it into useful meat, ship it out

[lethal moat]

So is it a machine or a living thing?

[bold crater]

Machine......pretty sure.

Think GLaDOS but scarier. Even then though, we don't know what her physical form is like. Could be a body, could just be a program.

[weak crypt]

Me personally I think it would be better as just a program that outsmarted it’s own creators and is just chilling at the bottom of some lab

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

if you pretend living thing as "AI"

AI =/= Machine

but Replicator? Definitely AI
But likely has the capability to control her "body" (machine)

and, possibly, other machines
Depends on how that would be done

Done through simple "electricity" is pretty cliche

[sharp shore]

Is Omniraptor a name with meaning
Omni means partial, so some of its DNA is of dromeosaurids, but due to its name and visual appearance I think the rest may be filled in with the dna of varanids (monitor lizards)

[strange shell]

Omni means "all"
So omniraptor is a mix of every raptor

[sharp shore]

Ah

Doesn’t explain why it’s got no feathers though..

Sticking to the varanid hypothesis

Combined with raptor dna

Plus if Omni means all then there is a possibility that varanids were filling the gaps anyway which would explain omnis lack of feathering

[acoustic osprey]

patrial?

[acoustic osprey]

Doesn't need to have feathers to be an "all" raptor
It comes down to how AE want Omniraptor to be, within it's ecosystem. And a feathered raptor (animal), especially one that seems constantly active within a tropical environment doesn't sound suited to be a feathered creature

[rapid chasm]

Food, or something else which i'll explain here

[icy onyx]

Nerds

[long onyx]

true

[gentle vessel]

And the fact there is the theory that Ae’s creations are just gene splices that look like dinosaurs but share no actual dna with them

[brisk dove]

Did AE have goverment funding from the U.S

[maiden sundial]

When you combine that many genomes together things would get somewhat funky

[maiden sundial]

Nope but they're a big pharma company

[swift echo]

for mini-lore document purposes: what are the atriums and their purposes for why they were built? such as what do they house?

[acoustic osprey]

We're not too sure who or what funds them

Sure, they might be a medicinal-based company
But their RnD stuff might be funded by someone or something

[lethal moat]

I think the GOLEM is a R/D section that is censored in the incident report

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1088367538049650718/More_or_less_hi_how_are_you.png
Looking at this

the aviaries/domes are likely home to certain R/D and/or certain facilities/housing ||animals/tribals/dinos||

[acoustic osprey]

Could be
Although I say less a "R/D" and more a trial within a R/D Facility

Where it could relate to something about "DEIMOS project"

[lethal moat]

I was thinking GOLEm facility, cetri section, and Deimos is what was being worked on

[acoustic osprey]

I don't think it'll be called GOLEM facility

DEIMOS is the project name
And GOLEM-Ceti is the trial name

Unless, to what you're liking referring to, is that "GOLEM - Ceti trial" could be:
A Trial that is tested at a place called "GOLEM" and a place called "CETI" or within "GOLEM" called "Ceti" (Cetus section/Cetea section, etc)

[lethal moat]

I really want to know what is under all that censorship

And yes, I agree with that last bit

[acoustic osprey]

however, for me, I don't believe this is the case

or at least, strictly the case

[acoustic osprey]

We all do!!!

[lethal moat]

Maybe we can find documents when gateway is released

That would be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

I HOPE so

[lethal moat]

It would be very cool

[acoustic osprey]

very so

[lethal moat]

Interactable papers used as nesting materials lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[rapid chasm]

WAIT

WHAT TIME WAS THE TRANSMITTERS ACCOUNT DELETED

[lethal moat]

No idea, probably before I got here

[swift echo]

ngl I dont care if this lore isnt put into the game I still want scraps of it bc its so very epic

[acoustic osprey]

Half a year ago roughly

[acoustic osprey]

transmitters lore?

[swift echo]

anything really

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we have some sort of mini basis of current "canon" lore

hopefully we see something in Gateway
Rather than just "we have GUTS tunnels, that's enough lore for you!"

[swift echo]

fr like give me more

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-time-gif-18674059

[swift echo]

wait look at the blanked page it has a page number

at the bottom

[rapid chasm]

what if the deletion date of the account is when AE lost connection with the transmitter

or when its connection was lost

[strange shell]

Could have been
But transmitter is no longer canon

[strange shell]

I mean the old transmissions

[lethal moat]

They gone, but we might be able to reactivate it

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/starkiller-galen-marek-gif-19786461

[lethal moat]

It's all the same.

(insert crazy explanation here)

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

New theory

dondi is actually fake and we are all subject to an entire plot

a plot to trap us in a hivemind of slaves that ends up being put towards making the real version of The Isle

[swift echo]

what are specimens b-443 and b-442

magnas?

[low scarab]

do we know why Apollo engineering made the dinosaurs and other creatures

[swift echo]

the most likely reason is to do with medicine, like AE was a pharma company

[low scarab]

I thought phoenix corp was pharmaceutical

And what does that have anything to do with dinosaurs

[swift echo]

idk its the isle, its always confusing

[acoustic osprey]

Phoenix corp is gone

[low scarab]

lore wise? or like they just left primal carnage lore to make their own lore?

[acoustic osprey]

Gone feel lore

Alongside anything related to Primal Carnage

[low scarab]

That’s sad it was really interesting

[modern rover]

gone

[nova cypress]

Does anyone have a youtube video covering the isle lore im just curious

[acoustic osprey]

There are old videos

I have not made a proper video yet

But you can check the pinned messages to get the general gist

And I have a copypasata as well

[humble hill]

I don’t understand what y’all mean by the isle “lore” it’s a game right? How does it have lore because I’ve never seen anything about the lore of the isle can anyone explain??

[acoustic osprey]

All video games, give or take, have lore

Whether it just be subtext for the game's balance, design and art style

Or a whole "story"

Being a narrative-driven game

[humble hill]

What?? I didn’t mean any offense I just wanted to ask if anyone could explain the lore.

[modern rover]

He was just explaining what lore meant, he wasn't trying to be rude lol

[humble hill]

I never said he was rude though?

[proper hedge]

From what I can tell, the lore seems to be inspired by Jurassic Park

[calm axle]

you did

but anyways this is the lore

[humble hill]

I said no offense that’s all I said

[calm axle]

AE makes dinosaurs for medical purposes ? using the replicator

thats the base line

the rest is pretty much just all theories

[humble hill]

okay well that’s what I wanted to hear ty.

[low scarab]

Really?

[low scarab]

I thought the replicator was something to do with human conscious in dinosaurs

[calm axle]

hm thats interesting

it does make sense tho

i wonder if this is actually true

[low scarab]

I’m pretty sure I heard it somewhere it was in the legacy days so I don’t remember that well

[calm axle]

legacy lore isnt evrima lore

so they prob changed it

[modern rover]

Yep, Phoenix, Primal Carnage, Magnas, all gone

[maiden sundial]

Sir dondi severed ties with them a long time ago

[low scarab]

Damn why would they do that just because they scrapped legacy doesn’t mean the lore can’t stay?

[modern rover]

I really hated magnas so no shed tears from me

[maiden sundial]

It's mostly because the people of primal carnage were being not too nice. So dondi severed ties

It was before the recode iirc

[low scarab]

Yea I’ve heard the drama surrounding dondi and primal carnage

[maiden sundial]

And that is why we aren't getting any of the magna strains

[low scarab]

Even hypos/the other 2 weird ones whatever they were called

[modern rover]

Hypers, neuros and tissos are staying

Also it's hyper, not hypo

[low scarab]

Ok that’s nice to hear atleast

[modern rover]

And a "Type-O"

[low scarab]

What happened to hypo?

[modern rover]

Nothing. It's just called hyper

[low scarab]

See I’ve always said type h or hypo

Am I just loosing my mind?

[maiden sundial]

Type H is technically hyper. Since they are the hyperendocrine.

Everyone has just called them hypo

[modern rover]

Hypoendocrin is just incorrect, since it implies something that would be smaller, weaker and have a slower metabolism, basically the opposite of a hyper

[low scarab]

See I could have sworn it was called hypoendocrin

[modern rover]

The correct terminology is hyperendocrin

[low scarab]

True

[modern rover]

It's just something that caught on, even if it's incorrect

[maiden sundial]

I thought the endocrine part was something for bone growth. But also I figured out its just the boosting of every single endocrine gland

[modern rover]

Yep

[maiden sundial]

Wait a minute. If every single endocrine system is cranked up to 11. Wouldn't that mean that the hypers are more susceptible to autoimmune diseases?

[modern rover]

Probably, we'll never tell because they die too fast from starvation anyways

[maiden sundial]

Mostly due to their metabolism being through the roof thanks to the...pancreas iirc

[modern rover]

I like the idea that each strain has a unique glaring weakness, hope neuros and tissos also have unique flaws

[maiden sundial]

No wait the thyroid

[modern rover]

It's why I despised magnas. No weakness, just better

[maiden sundial]

The hypers have hyperthyroidism

[nova cypress]

Thanks I’ll watch it

[patent sparrow]

https://isle.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperendocrin_Colossus
Is this what tribals going to be ?

is this collossus thing related to the Golem smthing that the dev said ?

[bold crater]

Colossus being related to Golem sounds interesting 😮

Golems are made to protect I'm pretty sure. And I remember something about "The Replicator is not without it's protectors".

Giant gator ape man would definitely be a good body guard

Though the whole protectors thing makes me wonder if the Replicator is very vulnerable by itself. Like "lmao just pull the power plug"

🔌

[lethal moat]

fUNNY

[patent sparrow]

it says colossus is made when a human get injected with the type H strain. so i thought maybe tribals became colossus maybe ? or at least some of them.

[gentle vessel]

your gonna be eating good

[acoustic osprey]

Being that it's called GOLEM-ceti
A trial to see if specific Tribals can be taken to be tested for the Hyperendcrin strain

[acoustic osprey]

Old lore though
We have no description for colossus at the moment, that is canon

[gentle vessel]

@acoustic osprey your gonna be eating good with these

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/koryverse-korysverse-jabba-the-hutt-gif-25294625

[lethal moat]

Yum

[zinc marsh]

With the ocean picture alone it gives us a lot of insight on the environment and even the species or future playable species.

[maiden lynx]

What if the Omniraptors are just little Chris Pratts running around murdering everyone?

[zinc marsh]

I highly doubt that

[rocky patrol]

he was jonkering little weasel

[lethal moat]

https://ironbellystudios.com/2016/05/31/the-isle-open-world-survival/#bwg25/332

Saw the new images and remembered this lil guy

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[serene lava]

The space in between updates is determined by the amount of time it would take to add the dinosaur to a real life habitat

[chrome acorn]

not sure if this has been discussed tbh but AE would have it’s animals patented right? As well as the process of making them correct?

[maiden sundial]

Most likely. I mean only Æ knows that they make them.

[chrome acorn]

Then AE would have all authority to do whatever it wants to these animals ethical or not

[maiden sundial]

Considering the fact that the hypers neuros and tisso exist? Yea I think ethics are out the window

[chrome acorn]

I’m aware I’m just pointing it out because a lot of people have asked why AE would go through the trouble of creating dinosaurs just to use for testing

[lethal moat]

'cough'

Military needs weapons

[swift echo]

fr why can't AE just blow up the strains if there was a breach

if its owned by the US, or partnered, im assuming the US would decide to be petty and wouldn't waste their precious funds on non-oil related things

[mellow moth]

Isnt the story that the isle is what jurrasic world should have been but it sbeen abandoned for hundreds of years leaving the species dinosaurs to puplate and expand throughout the island?

[lethal moat]

If you invested $300,000,000 in three dinosaur strains, one is missle proof and one can send it back, and one is too fast, it's hard. The worst monsters are the ones we make.

[maiden sundial]

It is not owned by the usa.

It is simply a company

[swift echo]

..understandable ig

[swift echo]

poetic

[maiden sundial]

I mean its likely they more made the hypers for pharmaceutical reasons

Since the full name is hyperendocrine

[lethal moat]

Endocrine is a growthhormone, it is what makes it big\

[acoustic osprey]

Endocrine is a body system that produces hormones through the body

Growth is one of them

[acoustic osprey]

It's definitely not for military reasons

[lethal moat]

yOU NEVER KNOW

Capslock

I can't think of any other reason behind emp dino

[bold crater]

For all we know, the EMP may not even be intended. Could just be a result of weird genetic.....ness. 😛

[modern rover]

its nothing to do with the military

dondi said this for a fact

[lethal moat]

Alright then

[acoustic osprey]

Well, who knows if N Spino will have emp

[lethal moat]

It's one of the few confirmed things, it's so strong it effects the nervous systems of creatures near it.

[acoustic osprey]

No, that's for legacy

For all we know
There wont be any "individual" special things for certain playable strains

All Hypers = Strong and short lived through hunger

All Neuros = Whatever they have

All Tissos = Whatever they have

[modern rover]

Also, this is just my own assumption, each strain has a massive drawback that makes them too unstable to commercialise (remember, AE is a medicinal company). Hypers were a success in increasing physical power, but came at the cost of insanely rapid starvation. Based on the visuals of neuros and tissos, I doubt they're flawless projects either.

[acoustic osprey]

Oh definitely
Each should

Hypers, AT THE VERY LEAST, have their own major downfall

If they're not going to do anything for Neuros and Tissos
At least Hypers have their big one

[modern rover]

Each mutation does seem to be based on some kind of desire that a consumer would inevitably want. Hypers develop growth and strength, and if perfected, could create healthier, stronger bodies with excellent healing to help them resist injury and disease.

Neuros help develop the mind, leading to greater intelligence and mental health. Could act as a way to help solve more neural-based diseases, such as dementia, as well as increasing overall intellect.

Tissos, while we know very little about them, are a bit more difficult to pin down. Their design is about stealth and agility, which the average consumer wouldn't really need. Then again, the vagueness of tissos beyond "stealthy" means theories won't be super productive atm.

[acoustic osprey]

We can guess Tissos might be onto about "Tissue"
So skin

However, in what sense that is desirable? Who knows

[modern rover]

Skincare and beauty, possibly

Could be purely a vanity thing, due to the whole "change how you look"

A pharmaceutical like AE is one I wouldn't doubt has dabbled in beauty products

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[modern rover]

Which would be an excellent third thing tbh

Physical strength and health
Intelligence and solutions to neural problems (fixing broken pathways in the nervous system or brain, curing disabilities and more)
Beauty products that can fundamentally alter a user's appearance with ease, without the need for surgery, which would be desired out of the sheer fact that people want to look good

All of this would be extremely sought after

[acoustic osprey]

especially since they seem to making "perfect humans"
and playing God

Trying to create products (create tests) that allow the user to become "better" in any way would be highly sought after

[modern rover]

The endgoal is def "perfect humanity"

Gen 1 and Gen 2 prove that, especially since Gen 2 exists out of how much Gen 1 was a complete failure and disappointment. They wanted ACCURATE humans.

[acoustic osprey]

They still likely saw success (at least, something worth while) with Tribals

[modern rover]

Although it begs the question, are the colossus, mastermind and (maybe) reaper made from gen 1s or gen 2s, and how exactly do the eyeless fall into it?

I assumed that the eyeless were the offspring of the mastermind, but IDK

[acoustic osprey]

I'm presuming only Replicator could truly "make" something like Eyeless

Guessing maybe a/the reward you get for sacrificing things to her
Eyeless being made from her for Echidna

[gentle vessel]

Well tisso means tissues, and plastic tends to mean like, changable

[gentle vessel]

I figured those ones were bog standard humans they tested on and stuff went horribly wrong

Probably due to Dino dna splicing since all 3 have traits the strains don’t tend to give

[modern rover]

wdym?

[gentle vessel]

Like colossus has a more archosaur like head and croc scales, when based on the hyper Dino’s they don’t change the frame all that much, same with him having a tail and full on claws, not sharpened fingernails

Echidna has archosaurian feet and 2 massive claws for hands, yet neuros most of the time just make a host super skinny and without eyes

And reaper got scrapped but nothing about him looked human aside from the base frame

Like my theory is that the strains they used on the titans were contaminated with dinosaur dna, probably rex for colossus, raptor for echidna, and idk what would lead to bat reaper

[maiden sundial]

Couldn't they find a way to decrease thyroid activity so the metabolism doesn't make them die in mere hours

[maiden sundial]

The mastermind. You mean echidna correct?

[modern rover]

both work

[maiden sundial]

Fair. I just like to use echidna

Likely echidna being as smart as she is. Maybe highjacked the replicator

[modern rover]

maybe, but its implied the replicator has some kind of sentience itself

[maiden sundial]

Echidna is smart. And most likely convinced it to work with her

[modern rover]

either that, or both are in on the same plan because it benefits them both

[strange shell]

Echidna might be considering the replicator as her mother...

[maiden sundial]

I mean. Their plan is to keep the island alive as it keeps both of them alive. So there's that

[maiden sundial]

That...makes too much sense

[modern rover]

I don't think the island itself is at risk?

I think more they desire freedom from AE

[maiden sundial]

Its at risk of being retaken

By Æ.

It would mean a return to servitude.

And experimentation.

No sentient and sapient being wants that. And judging by her parental role as shown her giving a BEAR HUG to an eyeless. She is very attached to them

[strange shell]

(She might actually be eating that eyeless but yeah)

[maiden sundial]

I doubt that. Considering she is called their mother

And there's a little heart over her hugging the eyeless

@strange shell a little heart

[strange shell]

Oh
Never noticed it

Well it seems eyeless doesn't like actual motherly hugs

"Mom you're embarrassing me"

[maiden sundial]

Well they're also blind

Likely accidentally got snuck up on.

[acoustic osprey]

Isn't really scrapped

[gentle vessel]

I meant more like. It’s old design did

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

[balmy berry]

anyone bold enough to make a lore for utah change to omni? XD

[maiden sundial]

It's very shrimple. Dabbling in splicing and mixing genetics. They decided to mix majority utahraptor dna with velociraptor and other dromaeosaurids. This resulted in mutations such as defeathered.

And pronated wrists

[stone crater]

This art is unofficial

[acoustic osprey]

Well, being hyperendocrin
I presume they either thought about it- but couldn't specifically do so
Or they tried, but it was too late before they could do so

[acoustic osprey]

I mean
It's nothing crazy. Omni means all, just it's likely that omniraptor is a fictional dromaeosaurid AE made that took inspiration from multiple other dromaeosaurids

[maiden sundial]

Didn't tapwing make it?

[acoustic osprey]

There are a lot of unofficial art by Tap

being that she did a lot before she was hired

[maiden sundial]

Aw.

[swift echo]

any theories of whatever Codename Hades is? I know it's been mentioned a few times by the Olympus Transmitter if im correct

[swift echo]

or the hades protocol idk if those are different things

[mellow canopy]

does anyone know when the isle takes place?

[lethal moat]

Recent times I believe

[acoustic osprey]

Anything from old Olympus Transmitter is no longer canon

[swift echo]

mk 😮

[mellow canopy]

yeah but like how recent? 1980s? 2010s?

[lethal moat]

More rrecent than that, I believ the island was abandoned somepoint in the 90s

[grizzled elm]

its always the 90s

[fringe marsh]

What's the deal with genetic engineering?

[acoustic osprey]

?

[swift echo]

just reading old, old discussions that included Don

bro has so many lab rats right here

[acoustic osprey]

?

do explain

[swift echo]

like, he has built an empire of mystery, and we are just VERY slowly unearthing it, and he gets to watch all of it

no idea if that makes sense but ::

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968592718102138960/1087535724162719847/lotrlinegif.gif

[swift echo]

literally though 😿

[swift echo]

human facilities ::

^gateway map btw

[bold crater]

Isn't that map very outdated 😮

[sonic rampart]

I believe all the markers are fan-made/placed except for maybe the domes as well

[rapid chasm]

that map is old asf

[swift echo]

still, I think there's a chance some things in it would still be /somewhat/ relevant

[rapid chasm]

def not

mountains arent even there

[swift echo]

oh lol I didnt even realize that 💀

[acoustic osprey]

Which ones

[acoustic osprey]

I'm guessing, from where it was and when it was taken, that it was a rough from the Devs. Uses in game tile textures and everything

Buildings were likely added on top either by them, roughly from an artist or friend of the Devs (or QA member) to give a rough idea of the placement of buildings

[weak crypt]

I don’t like how port is so far off

[acoustic osprey]

Likely isn't a port and more so a research facility

Maybe even part of or near to Poseidon Entry
If that's still going to that (that research facility)

[hollow palm]

what if the isle is like an Ark: Survival Evolved scenario, where you aren't even on earth and the planet is extinct, so the survivors started over again from the beginning and created life?

[maiden sundial]

It is not the case. We are on earth

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[maiden sundial]

What's with the ?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aja-jim-carrey-ace-ventura-pet-detective-hrmm-gif-5703800

[maiden sundial]

...we may not be on earth.

[acoustic osprey]

we might not be

[lethal moat]

No confirmation

[cinder atlas]

Unless...?

[lethal moat]

Scour the umbril planes for information

[vivid ibex]

i reckon the map is just an island in the pasific or something like isla nublar and isla sorna like in jw/jp

[acoustic osprey]

Unless the Dondi Twitter!!!

[finite lintel]

Dondi has Twitter

[lethal moat]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

I forgot about this

[swift echo]

is it even accurate anymore

[maiden sundial]

Yes and no

[swift echo]

are the writers active still?- I think I remember smth abt Hellshade- and Sprinks? maybe somebody that starts with a d-

[maiden sundial]

The ones relating to primal carnage are no longer canon btw

[swift echo]

is any of tap's stuff canon /whatsoever/? like, any tiny lil scrap of the matriarch stuff?

[bold crater]

Artwork she's made before being hired is generally considered non-canon for the most part.

[swift echo]

mk, just wanted that confirmed

[acoustic osprey]

Not any more

[finite lintel]

Oof

[acoustic osprey]

That's why I have created mine now

Hell Shade is still relatively active, but that doc is more of an archive compared to "up to date lore"

[limber quiver]

...and as it seems half the map again has no water source...

[acoustic osprey]

there is little issue with this

[limber quiver]

There is a lot of issue with this

[acoustic osprey]

especially comparing with how I experienced Gateway
Water was fine

[acoustic osprey]

it is not
At least, it's done a lot better than Spiro

[modern rover]

As someone who played on Gateway, water was not that huge an issue, if anything, it was more bountiful than Spiro by a good margin

Spiro has entire spans of dead zone with zero food and zero water

[limber quiver]

Of what i see the entire south west half of this map has no water. Or is there somethin i miss? id guess the water on the beach is not drinkable?

[modern rover]

That map isn’t really accurate to the experience actually playing it, don’t worry about it

[acoustic osprey]

swamp

there is a large swamp section

That map is old and very unreliable for all/most geographical locations

[maiden sundial]

Apparently said swamp is also a river delta.

[acoustic osprey]

No it's not

The River Delta is on the east side of the map

[maiden sundial]

Oh. That sounds cool

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[swift echo]

is this thing still The Matriarch

or, what is it if it isnt\

ik its legacy but ::

[acoustic osprey]

island walker

[swift echo]

tf is island walker

[acoustic osprey]

island

walker

[swift echo]

.

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

[acoustic osprey]

Although, I don't believe we ever got HARD confirmation on what it was exactly

[swift echo]

is it still currently canon whatsoever?

[acoustic osprey]

It was a crazy long time ago
And is likely not coming back to Evrima

[swift echo]

ahk

[acoustic osprey]

the last proper mention of it (like so many others) came from many years past

[swift echo]

mhmm. regular case of discarded while Don tries to fit the puzzle pieces together

[acoustic osprey]

only things properly confirmed characters/things from Old Lore (from the top of my head):
Replicator
Echidna
Colossus
Reaper (Need to find the statement from Don, unsure what he said exactly)

[swift echo]

oh colossus and reaper r canon now

[acoustic osprey]

Tribals and Gen2s (unsure how heavy we can refer back to Olympus tweets)

Eyeless aren't hard confirmed

[swift echo]

hopefully the devs (if don operates it non-storyline) will reboot it

for evrima

[acoustic osprey]

there was a statement about Tissos and Reapers
I believe, I still need to find the statement, that Reaper is still back- or at least Tissos are not going

[swift echo]

now that we've brough the topic of other respective strains

tf happened to o>m thingamobob]

[acoustic osprey]

nothing afterwards

[swift echo]

ik magnas defo aint canon anymore, dropped that sh a while ago

[acoustic osprey]

We're still in the heavy speculation stage on that one

[swift echo]

yippee im finally at the beginning of SOME lore development

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/968592718102138960/1087535724162719847/lotrlinegif.gif

[swift echo]

GOnna be a long time though ::

[acoustic osprey]

(And if you're curious: #isle-discussion message)

and just scrolling up, you see Don's statement last year about Tribals

it's crazy to think we've just gotten one statement about Tribals officially
From Kissen

from the last (2nd last, I believe) devblog

We have little to no idea on what they are
besides they're no ordinary human

[swift echo]

didnt yall have some discussion in like 2020 abt pharm purposes for different Strains

could be smth like that

[acoustic osprey]

A few months back
I believe July

[swift echo]

prob

[acoustic osprey]

and Don said to Dalt, who made the speculation, that it was a very very close theory that hit the target

I've guessed that yes they're (at least were) for medicinal reasons

but the specifics Dalt gave? Wrong/close but wrong

[swift echo]

also wtf could hyper/hypo trees be used for (pharm purposes)

[acoustic osprey]

Hyper Trees?

Who knows
If you find a way to single out certain hormones
You can get some very large plants, with large nutritional values

[swift echo]

there were pictures going around abt hyper trees 🍴

[acoustic osprey]

You could, without the funny selfish desire of capitalism within "doing the greater good", solve/help world hunger

[swift echo]

ye and then the tree would suck up all the water/nutrients

[acoustic osprey]

Excluding issues it could cause to the ecosystem
Depending on how you would conduct such thing internationally

[swift echo]

drought? hyper trees! infertile soil for eighteen miles? HYPER TREES!

entire forests dying because of one gigantic hungry hungry hippo? HYPER TREES!!!

[acoustic osprey]

that's the thing
Finding the right balance

Practically an ecosystem killer
Bigger things need bigger prey

But, AE definitely wanted to try their luck
I'm guessing why it's very hard to do all of it.
Likely trying to play not just with growth/size hormones, but others as well

but, realistically speaking, practically impossible if they're trying to solve world hunger

Unless Don want's to go "Fantasy Sci-fi" and just allow it to work (or at least, the realistic downsides don't apply because "sci-fi science")

[swift echo]

yeahh

and hence.

o>m. the balance. (maybe if it replaces Magnas)

[acoustic osprey]

but, currently, we're not sure how Don is orientating The Isle's "lore" style

Realistic Sci-fi?
Fantasy/Unrealistic Sci-fi?

Who knows

[acoustic osprey]

it might
I hope it does

I just hope it's not as cliche as Magnas seemed

Although, great backstory for them in old lore

[swift echo]

instead of stupidly interlocked Phoenix Co., if only Don made another company to rival AE

[swift echo]

horror sci-fi

[acoustic osprey]

no no, in terms of actual sci-fi worldbuilding

[swift echo]

oh mk

[acoustic osprey]

horror sci-fi would be how the game is orientated towards gameplay and actual gameplay design

[swift echo]

hmm.

take- whats that one horror biotech artist

[acoustic osprey]

if so
I wonder if it'd be "God-orientated" as well ||Like a certain other someones I know||

Like AE - Greek Mythos
"Rival Company" - Anc. Egyptian Mythos or Norse Mythos

[acoustic osprey]

unsure

[swift echo]

PLEASE 🥺 I love norse/egypt mythology 🥺

[acoustic osprey]

Although I can imagine a Rival Company being more Roman

Would be very interesting to see

[swift echo]

OH I KNOW ITS H.R. GIGER

[acoustic osprey]

especially from a story-point view

A "new" company, maybe even an off-shoot cadet branch of AE, that is basically just AE but more modernised
more sterile and seems to be more efficient

[swift echo]

giger's the one that created the xenomorphs from Alien

[swift echo]

rouge AE

[acoustic osprey]

Although, i'm pretty sure that's a movie cliche from the 2010s
but it'd still be interesting

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-saul-jimmy-james-james-mcgill-gif-18490182

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

[swift echo]

rouge AE = john hammond

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[swift echo]

henry wu

okay no more jp

[acoustic osprey]

Peter Ludlow

honestly, if they're going to keep this amazing vibe/feel to AE buildings
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1103137700095209532/IMG_6551.png

I would love, for something important, having the stark contrast of a building/facility being all bright white

[swift echo]

scp.

[acoustic osprey]

I know it's a pretty common trope within "Sci-fi"
but something about the juxtaposition of the damp, dead feeling from those artworks
flipped around with the one building with clean white

[swift echo]

we got the 12 olympians facility theory, lets go through the possibilities of the other company/rouge AE's facility names/codenames

[acoustic osprey]

I'd imagine something akin to Tartarus (if Tartarus turns out to be a VERY undisclosed sort of laboratory/facility)
or a HQ/Olympus Central

[swift echo]

yeah pure white buildings are just..unsetilling (idk how to spell that OMG)

[acoustic osprey]

unsettling

[swift echo]

we need leaks from that

[swift echo]

ty

[acoustic osprey]

the bleached and sterile feeling with a large amount of white balanced light would be GREAT

[acoustic osprey]

we need the information!!

[acoustic osprey]

oh that's right! I just realised, there are 12 designations on the Facility Glance sheet

[swift echo]

I get the atmosphere from those ^^ artworks, the IM CONSTANTLY BEING WATCHED but from pale, white blinding rooms r just... Destiny 2 GLaDOS

[swift echo]

don:

[acoustic osprey]

We have Zeus (A),
Hades (B),
Poseidon (C),
Olympus Transmitter- could be Hermes- (D)
Botany- could be Demeter? (E)
an R/D facility for (F)
Lodge/Rec. - unsure- (G)
and the same with Viewing Platform (H), and behavioural sci. (I)

plus (J), (K), and (L), all being R/D

Hermes and Demeter would definitely fit

[swift echo]

[swift echo]

oh for sure

[acoustic osprey]

Dionysus could could be put in for Lodge/Rec.
being that she is linked with festivity

and patron god of the art of theatre

But, I'm guessing it's sheer coincidence that there are 12 designations

Like how it's sheer coincidence that it also looks like the Tree of Life

[swift echo]

hyper tree yet again.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[pale marsh]

I'm pretty sure hades isn't an Olympian?

[lethal moat]

He is

If the tranquillizer r/d was Dionysus that would be funny

[pale marsh]

I'm getting conflicting answers online
So imma assume it depends on the myth

[strange shell]

Technically he's an Olympian
He's on the same power level as Zeus and Poseidon
He just doesn't have a Throne on Mount Olympus because his brothers hate him
So officially he isn't

[pale marsh]

Yea
He's part of thr same "generation" and importance
But doesn't actually have a throne on Olympus

So it depends which way we're defining olympian

[maiden sundial]

Actually the reason why is because he got the shortest straw and got the underworld. His brothers don't hate him tho.

[acoustic osprey]

he just looks after Tartarus
Doesn't mean he is a bad guy

https://tenor.com/view/wreck-it-ralph-zangief-bad-guy-bad-mean-gif-4526339

[pale marsh]

Ik. He's essentially a glorified prison warden

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much lol

[light heath]

yeah hades just does his job

[mortal zenith]

In myth hades is Olympian. He just stuck with ruling the cave sadly. He is siblings with the originals

He’s just got his own job to do. And that includes umm kindnapping Persephone I guess

[pale marsh]

The least horrible act done on a woman in Greek myth

[mortal zenith]

Ain’t wrong

Atleast she grew to like the dude

Maybe I should try the same tactic

[pale marsh]

Get ur brothers permission to marry a relative? (I'm forgetting my family tree but they probably are)

[lethal moat]

More or less

[maiden sundial]

Technically even that is Zeus fault. As hades asked Zeus if he could marry persephone. And Zeus said yes. Hades in his infinite wisdom then asked Zeus how can I get persephone.

And by the end of the story most of the blame is on Zeus which is extremely rare.

[acoustic osprey]

Greek Mythos, am I right

[sly merlin]

Lore is lore tbh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/over-the-hedge-pood-poodhub-over-the-hedge-gif-hoa-lady-house-gif-26366244

[icy onyx]

listening to all of this it just sounds like the isle is a play and a bunch of different dinosaurs are playing greek gods

[lethal moat]

Welcome to the lore chat, this is about what we do when there are no new lore drops

[icy onyx]

mm yes

[acoustic osprey]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/loki-tom-hiddleston-chris-hemsworth-thor-cute-gif-22324886

[idle shadow]

@wet lintel

[acoustic osprey]

uh oh

[strange shell]

"The shortest straw" yeah
Like Zeus didn't decide it all by himself
Poseidon can have two thrones, one under the sea and one on Mount Olympus, but for some reason Hades can't
I didn't imply he was evil
He's just being bullied

[maiden sundial]

No they LITERALLY drew straws in the myth

It's something they did a lot in Greece back then to decide things

There is no quotations around the shortest straw because it is literal

Zeus and poseidon in the myth were chill with each other and hades and vice versa. They all respected each other. And besides. Not matter what at some point hades is supposed to become to ruler of Olympus as it is his birthright.

Since he's technically the oldest

[pale marsh]

He drew the shortest straw but feom what I've seen and read. There isn't really a reason given why he doesn't have a throne on Olympus
Could even be a by choice thing we don't really know

[maiden sundial]

I'd probably say by choice. Or maybe it's because the people of Greece didn't want him known since he's a god of death. And if you say their name they may just hear you and listen

[pale marsh]

Not a god of death at all
That's thanatos

He's the god of the dead but that's distinct from God of death

[maiden sundial]

Sorry god of the dead.

But anyway. Rulers of the underworld were not spoken of a lot

Persephone and hades specifically

[pale marsh]

True
Hard to say really
Oral traditions do be quirky

[maiden sundial]

He technically is an Olympian as he is in the generation of gods that are after the titanomacy

Or rather the ruling gods after the titanomacy

[pale marsh]

But not one of the 12 thrones
Which is how this all started

[maiden sundial]

Fair.

[mortal zenith]

Then they kick his arse in a rebellion

[mortal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-freddy-fazbear-fnaf-sb-golden-freddy-fredbear-gif-24705482

[maiden sundial]

If hades were to start a rebellion(which he never was). He'd probably have the side of helios. Athena. Ares and others.

And obviously persephone and demeter

[mortal zenith]

Yeah but in the lore he just didn’t care. He was on his throne with some pomegranate like “DAMN BRUDDA YOU GOT THE CRAP BEAT OUTTA YAH HAHA”

[maiden sundial]

Definitely

[swift echo]

okay so what the hek is the 'primordial'

to give context I was going through mentions of the island walker and trying to figure out if its the big pile of bones on Isle V3 legacy

or/other information abt the island walker(s)

[lethal moat]

It may be the cannibal's name for the replicator? No ide4a

[swift echo]

I read that it was the largest known critter (created?) larger than both the matriarch and colossus

[lethal moat]

No idea then

[icy onyx]

Would the tribals use troodon venom the same as they use poison dart frogs venom to hunt monkeys? Instead it’s mercinaries

[icy onyx]

don’t think so becuase you would need the troodon to bite something while the frogs you just need to brush it on their skin

[pale marsh]

No but I could see them using troodons to build resistance to their venom

[acoustic osprey]

No

[maiden sundial]

I mean mercs no longer exist

The mercs are now gen 2

[acoustic osprey]

We didn't get much information on Primordial
Besides that Don talked about it existing

Basically similar to Island Walker
Excluding that the island walker bones were in V3

but, that it was it.
2018
just before 2019

(which we all know what happened in 2019)

recode

[pale marsh]

honestly with these crazy giants creatures it makes me wonder how much of the events of the isle is in universe public knowledge

[acoustic osprey]

we will likely never know much about them unless they're put back in Evrima
or Don shows his archive

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, larger creatures just feel the most iffy
(with their existence in lore)

mostly because we know little of AE's motives
and we have zero understanding of ethics in The Isle

Same goes with Gen1s and Gen2s

which are practically illegal

[pale marsh]

Who knows
Maybe AE lobbied to make it legal
They clearly have more than enough money and power to do so

Again
Assuming the ethics of AE

[acoustic osprey]

Does AE play through some legal loop holes?
Or do they just simply allow eugenics to the extreme

[acoustic osprey]

That's the thing
We lack almost every aspect of worldbuilding at the moment

[pale marsh]

Which is ultra cringe

[acoustic osprey]

and, I will play the hopium card, that Don has some sort of worldbuilding in place to explain these things

some or if not most

[pale marsh]

Can only imagine how powerful AE would be tho

The money and man power to do. Whatever tf they're doing

[acoustic osprey]

I know Gateway will likely be lacklustre with it's lore at launch
but please, some better in-game lore in any way in the near future

[pale marsh]

I desire a lore update

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/japeththe-goat-hood-winked-spinning-gif-16494882

[icy onyx]

they can bite the soldiers lol

[acoustic osprey]

not soldiers

just don't forget, they're not mercenaries anymore

they're genetically made humans

[icy onyx]

cannibals?

[acoustic osprey]

and not with the intent to kill things

[pale marsh]

Lab grown baby

[acoustic osprey]

no longer called Cannibals

https://survive-the-isle.fandom.com/wiki/The_Eyeless

no official name

But the Tribals are cannibals
and the originally named "Cannibals" are no longer referred to as such

[icy onyx]

couldn’t the tribals kill the troodons harvest their venom glands and use it to coat their weapons in their venom?

[acoustic osprey]

They might
same with Dilos