isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

It's not really a theory. As I'm real tired and can't think

[runic sinew]

Gen 1 is us no?

[acoustic osprey]

Human-esque

Gen 2 is the human

often called "Mercs"

[runic sinew]

Wait what

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 1 was often referred to ask the Tribal (Cannibal)

[runic sinew]

So who r we

[acoustic osprey]

We as in the community?
Or the humans you can (could) play as?

[runic sinew]

we as in the humans not the community as in the real humans

[acoustic osprey]

We don't exist

[runic sinew]

the humans who created the humans and this whole thing

[runic sinew]

wait what so who is the creator of all this???

[acoustic osprey]

the humans who made humans (AE) are normal humans

[runic sinew]

ye exactly cant we test on normal humans

[acoustic osprey]

but they aren't involved, more or less

[runic sinew]

how??

[acoustic osprey]

They're not.

[acoustic osprey]

They make.
Not get tested on

but with Gen 2 (those humans)? Different story

[runic sinew]

so they are involved

[acoustic osprey]

really unexplained in lore

[acoustic osprey]

in the creation of the dinos, yes

[runic sinew]

so who created gen 1 and 2

[acoustic osprey]

AE

[runic sinew]

and AE are humans so humans created gen 1 and 2

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[runic sinew]

do u have a pic of gen 1 and 2?

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 1 doesn't have a confirmed one yet (for Evrima)
but we've seen Gen 2 in #isle-phase-three and John Cake

[runic sinew]

i dont see any humans on there

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-phase-three message

then also these guys

[runic sinew]

so theyre literally just humans

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 2? Yes

Gen 1? Less so

[runic sinew]

so humans made humans, wow, can these humans speak or no?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[runic sinew]

bruh so whats the point of all of this

[acoustic osprey]

no idea

[runic sinew]

so the lore ends here?

[acoustic osprey]

no

We know pretty much not a lot

[runic sinew]

thats dumb

[acoustic osprey]

Not really

[runic sinew]

why doesnt the creator just tell us the lore

[acoustic osprey]

you tell me

Who knows.
I am not Dondi

[runic sinew]

ig so

[runic sinew]

UNLESS YOU ARE

im sorry

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-never-heard-that-one-before-gif-11561148

But yeah, lore is lore right now

Very minute
Makes sense as it's not a main priority to show it off right now

However, as more updates come out, the more closer it get's into a better time to actually drop lore stuff

Like with ERRANT 291

Which was a great little community lore event

And I applaud Don for it

[runic sinew]

so whats going to be the point of humans added to the game lol

[vague root]

Do we actually have a confirmation on gen2 being created by AE

Sure ppl here would have considered these generations just arriving at the island in two "waves" with a considerable time gap

[void apex]

we know they are created by AE, at least according to Dondi, the developer who writes the lore

[zealous galleon]

i wonder how AE made the Hypos

[void apex]

strange protein/enzyme -> reacts with the genes of the subjects -> giant monster

[plucky sundial]

Movie science

[zealous galleon]

yes

[maiden sundial]

That movie science isn't that far off

[acoustic osprey]

As per with Dalt
It's pretty much that

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, you could call them "waves"

But very huge and noticeable differences, physically.
Alongside the time gap being likely 20-40 years

Give or take

[buoyant cypress]

.

[light flare]

Gen1 stronk. Grug no need big brain. Grug have big muscle, kill dinosaur with club.

[acoustic osprey]

Big and stronk
Gun? What?
Brother, have a stick and donk dinosaur

[light flare]

Maybe Grug sharpen club. Make big lizard bleed more.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/caveman-thats-the-way-i-think-im-a-cave-man-gif-12848646

[icy onyx]

GMO’s

[acoustic osprey]

Further this

[icy onyx]

Genetically Modified Organisms that could assist in the pursuit of certain medical problematics/inquiries/technologies

[acoustic osprey]

so like Rats?

[icy onyx]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

Ah, gotcha.
Didn't know the name for it

But yes, pretty much
@runic sinew

Phinx, this is the word from yesterday's convo

[icy onyx]

Type T’s for example, if capable of tissue biogenisis could be assets/technologies used for several medical investigations/procedures

[acoustic osprey]

^

Neuros (brain etc)

I do hope Tisso's is something like Camo and/or faster tissue growth

[icy onyx]

But… I might be very wrong.

Because hear me out

[acoustic osprey]

We all could be.
Tissos are the biggest things we have no clue about

All strains, really.
But Tissos are the ones with basically nothing to a zero

excluding Reaper.
Which was on the verge of being poofed.

[icy onyx]

Dalt here is referring to basically the premises of gene therapy

Gene Therapy vs Genetically Modified Machines, which theory is more plausible?

Probably the former, as dalt said.

Treating an organism with a literal engineered virus to change its genome (and hence its proteome)

[acoustic osprey]

could you explain Genetically Modified Machines?

[icy onyx]

It’s this

[acoustic osprey]

ah

[icy onyx]

genetically modifying plants, algae, microalgae, bacteria, etc

people have been engineering genetically modified machines for millennia

transfer the genes of a frog that translate a series of proteins that produce a certain non flammable foam into a bacteria, so that when theres a fire these bacteria start to produce the foam and prevent a catastrophe

that’s an example

[acoustic osprey]

So, Indominus Rex

But I understand

[icy onyx]

Exactly

If you think GMO’s are ethnically ambiguos wait to hear about Gene Therapy

There is a high chance that gene therapy is what AE is using to ‘treat’ animals into these monstrous strains

[acoustic osprey]

could be, yeah

[icy onyx]

The cool thing is that you can use gene therapy on adults. On fully matured organisms.

[acoustic osprey]

and not GMM?

[icy onyx]

While genetic modification in animals implies using the gametes of two parents

[icy onyx]

No, you’d need embryos. Or gametes before fecundation.

[acoustic osprey]

interesting

So I'm guessing Gen 2s = GMMs (or equiv.)

Seeing as Don confirmed them being all the same age

[icy onyx]

Oh yeah, absolutely

I don’t think any AE employee would consciously agree to test Gene Therapy

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/shlomopo-clone-army-eating-clones-star-wars-gif-19655374

[icy onyx]

[acoustic osprey]

Day in the life of a Gen 2, pre-sent on Gateway

[icy onyx]

lol

Gen 1’s and 2’s being treated with gene therapy would imply them being abducted beforehand

Children/adults with families

[acoustic osprey]

Likely Gen 1s?

Thousand Life Contract

[icy onyx]

As were Spartans in Halo, or the supes in The Boys

[acoustic osprey]

Aye

[icy onyx]

Were Gen 1’s people?

[acoustic osprey]

In transmissions, I believe it linked to them being like what Gen 2s were

having being done in "cycles"

[icy onyx]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

Although, I do believe Don said something about Thousand Life Contract.
Can't remember if it was about it not linking with Gen 1s (and/or 2s)

Gen 1 Prim incubation cleared.

Gestating.

[icy onyx]

Damn.

[acoustic osprey]

that is old lore
but, who knows.

I presume still relatively the same

[icy onyx]

Gotta ask Don

[acoustic osprey]

But, honestly, I don't find Tribals being originally normal humans as bad

Always thought of it being like an Astronaut

They know there is a good chance of death.
But they're doing it for "the better"

[icy onyx]

your mind is evil

[acoustic osprey]

dulce et decorum est

[icy onyx]

lmao, i understand what you’re saying

i hadn’t thought about it that way

[acoustic osprey]

But who knows

[icy onyx]

you opened up a new world in my imagination

[acoustic osprey]

pro patria mori
(It is sweet and right to die for one's country)

funny Latin, like Dum Spiro, Spero

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-pew-pew-saul-goodman-jimmy-mc-gill-bcs-gif-26492011

That was one of my old theories from last year.
I think Don also commented on that one when I asked him about it

Something roughly that "Ok theory, but not there"

Yeah, basically saying it's very off

but that "mindset" could easily be with the scientists/engineers in AE, etc

[icy onyx]

ah

[acoustic osprey]

(This being an ironic statement)

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

the phrase playing as a sarcastic and bitter commentary on the idea that it is honorable to die for one's country, coined by Wilfred Owen during WW1

[light flare]

Eternal resurrection in return for a minor lobotomy? Mite b cool 🤔

[acoustic osprey]

Is it truly ethical and right to sacrifice your life/work for AE? etc

[icy onyx]

that would’ve been a very nice plot twist

[acoustic osprey]

This is what I'm guessing for the whole Gen 1 and 2 stuff

[acoustic osprey]

aye

For your average rich goer, Eternal life ain't that "bad"

Ethical issues arise about it, especially immortality
But, eternal resurrection?

If AE could allow you a "redo" in life, that'd be pretty interesting

But, that's just a loose spit ball

[icy onyx]

||I hope there’s some criticism to science in that lore, like in Avatar||

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows the true reasons, yet.

[icy onyx]

Was AE governmental?

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly.
I wonder if Gen 1s went through multiple "versions"

Maybe the earlier versions being more human like?

Unless ERRANT 291 is a Gen 2 and Gen 2s aren't sent after whatever happened on Spiro/Gateway etc

[acoustic osprey]

who knows.

[light flare]

Hey they signed the ToS 🤷‍♂️

[icy onyx]

LOL

[acoustic osprey]

Rhetorical

But yes, they signed the ToS

[icy onyx]

In real life, it is against biosecurity norms to just use yourself as a sample

[acoustic osprey]

Propaganda and Government run

Government backing
Government "forgetting" about certain laws
and propaganda to get people join for a cause!

Wow, isn't that symbolic

https://tenor.com/view/olaf-wow-gif-22190506

[icy onyx]

oh yeah, absolutely

money

[acoustic osprey]

money

war
exploitation

[runic sinew]

oh bet

[acoustic osprey]

The Isle + "Societal" Themes = English Teacher's love interest

[icy onyx]

the privatization of war, knowledge, health

[icy onyx]

LUL

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-better-call-saul-finale-walking-gene-takovic-gif-26502423

[icy onyx]

[acoustic osprey]

Zann can be our main character, his character being a "Saul Goodman"

[icy onyx]

CEO entrepreneur

[acoustic osprey]

Philanthropist
billionaire
Doing things for self interest

[icy onyx]

what a nice dude

[acoustic osprey]

^

Then you have the Zann Jimmy McGill prequel arc

[runic sinew]

Wait so gen 1 and gen 2 are people that have contracts?

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

Gen 2 are definitely "Made in the labs, birthed in the labs"

[icy onyx]

Or clones, or abductions

[runic sinew]

and dinosaurs are animals that had their cells turn into a type of different bacteria and into dinos?

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 1s? Who knows

[icy onyx]

Huh?

[acoustic osprey]

As we can guess, because Gen 2s are all the same age, they were all made together at roughly the same time

[acoustic osprey]

I think they are trying to understand the GMO and Gene Therapy talk

[icy onyx]

oh

[light flare]

I like my headcanon that Gen1s were bonkers scientists that made a god and immediately subjected themselves to it for eternal life. I have literally nothing to base that on other than that it sounds cool.

[runic sinew]

dinos were genetically modified animals no?

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[icy onyx]

We don’t know where dinosaurs came from

[acoustic osprey]

^

Besides we can guess they're made by AE

[runic sinew]

i dont think so actually

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wah-oh-boring-leprechaun-wah-oh-wah-oh-boring-wah-oh-dead-gif-27189059

[runic sinew]

what the

[acoustic osprey]

yes

please elaborate

I understand the theory that "Replicator made the dinos"

but, we know things that are named have meaning

[runic sinew]

Well does this happen in a different world/universe?

[icy onyx]

That’s the thing

We don’t know

[runic sinew]

logically it does

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator would be more likely a tool used by AE to make Dinos
To replicate whatever code they plugged in to synthesise/create

[acoustic osprey]

it happens Earth (?)

[runic sinew]

earth from a different universe, there is more than a 99.9% chance of an identical earth existing

[acoustic osprey]

it's safe to say that either it's:

1. What a lot of Sci-Fi games are, being a game set in an Alternative Earth

2. Not on Earth

[acoustic osprey]

I say it's more so it being just an Alt. Earth

Earth (?) likely being = Not set to the normal limitations of the Earth we live in today

[runic sinew]

meaning that this is just like our earth but there are dinosaurs or animals that are very similar

[acoustic osprey]

Aka. Making dinos
We cannot make dinos

[light flare]

Anybody want to compare the stars in the night sky to real life ones?

[icy onyx]

Reverse engineering dinosaurs into existence

[acoustic osprey]

I don't believe it's "An Earth many many lightyears away from Earth we live in today"

[runic sinew]

exactly whitch means on that earth there are different animals

[runic sinew]

no actually just simply taking existing animals and recreating recent or similar ancestors

[acoustic osprey]

The chances of an Earth with almost identical aspects to this Earth
Like Humans, the animals and having pre-historic dinos

is very very very low

[runic sinew]

actually no

the chances of an earth being exactly the same as our earth is basically certain

[acoustic osprey]

It's like rolling a number from 1 to 1,000,000,000,000

and getting the same number twice

[runic sinew]

no

[acoustic osprey]

No.
Not that.

I'm talking about almost EVERY aspect.

[runic sinew]

ye thats also what im saying

[icy onyx]

[light flare]

just wait until we get the crazy mutant plants

[acoustic osprey]

Like a very similar history.
Humans looking the exact same

[runic sinew]

an identical earth is basically certain to exist

[runic sinew]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

A physical earth might exist.

but the story? The animals? The "very similar" aspect of the contents in that "Earth 2" would not be the same

[runic sinew]

the universe is infinite

[acoustic osprey]

it's finite

[runic sinew]

its growing each day there has to be an identical earth

[acoustic osprey]

You cannot create nor destroy matter

[icy onyx]

A very small chance (1 x10^-infinite) becomes 1 when multiplied by infinity

They’re saying the amount of universes out there is infinite

[acoustic osprey]

There is a set limit of energy the universe can expand upon

That being near infinite

But, it's all scientific "theories".
We don't know

[runic sinew]

mhm

[icy onyx]

Ye

[acoustic osprey]

so the chances of the same events is also possible.
I understand what they're saying

[icy onyx]

Yup

[runic sinew]

well the isle doesnt specify what earth it is on, so for all we could know dinosaurs could actually have already existed, and were captured just like any other normal animal

[light flare]

"The universe is infinite."
"Prove it."

[runic sinew]

lmao

[acoustic osprey]

But I'm saying that is also very implausible.
And very very very rare. That the excuse that The Isle = Earth 2
would be pretty loose

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[runic sinew]

yes a different earth

[acoustic osprey]

But we know the dinos were made

[acoustic osprey]

or an alt. earth

Like your average Alt. History Hub Video

[runic sinew]

well maybe a similar species that were basically dinos

[acoustic osprey]

Them having chips inside of them by AE, etc

[runic sinew]

umm idk what ur sayin

[acoustic osprey]

The Isle is an alternative reality.

[runic sinew]

no

its a whole different earth

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

[runic sinew]

not an alternative reality but a real reality just not on out earth

[acoustic osprey]

it's either one or the other
I don't find both purely "Nope, can't happen"

[runic sinew]

oops

wrong channel

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

But yes.
Isle is either on:

1. Earth 2 (An Earth in the same universe as us, but just very similar)

2. An Alternative reality

Either still fit the "Earth (?)" description by Don

Although I'm not a fan of the first

[acoustic osprey]

As it's basically the second (it being an alternative earth) but in our universe

[thin vine]

you confuse probability with possibility. there is an infinite amount of numbers, but only one 2. its entirely possible that earth is the only earth, even in an infinite universe

[runic sinew]

No literally it has been researched

[acoustic osprey]

As it's infinitely possible as that is the outcome

[vague root]

Physical and mental differences would make sense to some degree for someone staying on the island for prolonged periods of time, cause replicator and echidna effect both things in a way. Like, yeah, dinosaurs remained unchanged not counting the strains, but humans can just figure more complex ways to interact with the replicator or maybe just do it regularly to become effective servants

Perhaps i'm reading too much into it

[acoustic osprey]

Every cycle, their cognitive functions dropped
Yes

[sharp knoll]

Simulation... maybe

[runic sinew]

yes that was what i was thinking about

but then that would be the most boring theory ever

cause anything can happen in a simulation

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-bob-odenkirk-saul-goodman-lawyer-criminal-lawyer-gif-18588098

[sharp knoll]

Well how about infinite simulation like Inception?

But I don't think so it does makes sense because humans minds in dinosaur's brain's

[runic sinew]

well you could say its a simulation

us players play as dinosaurs, so we could be in a simulation and we think were dinosaurs, for experiments, which then would explain why there are blue barriers, and how the island seems to be the only thing to exist

[sharp knoll]

Spiro will get scrapped I think

When the Gateway will come

[half steeple]

pretty sure its gonna be an option for unofficials still though

[slow pagoda]

Phoenix International was removed from the lore right?

[acoustic osprey]

No no no, old theory

[acoustic osprey]

And Spiro is staying

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, all connections to that game and others = Gone

[acoustic osprey]

how did you find my webcam footage about Phoenix Int.

[slow pagoda]

cap
thats me

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-pew-pew-saul-goodman-jimmy-mc-gill-bcs-gif-26492011

Although, I do like the change of plans and not being with Primal Carnage anymore

Allows for more creative freedom

[slow pagoda]

fr

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

And I do wonder if there will be any "other bio-engineering medicinal" companies

or "bio-engineering" companies

Just in-general, that'd compete with AE

[icy onyx]

@granite tulip Hey You LOL

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion ?

[violet oyster]

Btw everything since episode 10 S6 happens after Breaking Bad ???

[acoustic osprey]

roughly, yes
Excluding any flashbacks

Everything in grey = After Breaking Bad

[violet oyster]

Ooh ok

[acoustic osprey]

Although, I can't remember how long after.
But basically the last episode of BCS is the furthest/last thing ever in Breaking Bad Universe

But yes, The Isle lore

[violet oyster]

Ok ty, currently watching episode 10 so was weird

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[balmy plank]

i turned on dlss and dlaa and game looks better

trees arent ugly in lgiht ezzz

[sharp knoll]

Wrong channel #isle-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

^

[icy onyx]

Kinda sucks that Pheonix International and the Primal Carnage stuff isn't Canon anymore. I thought it was cool the two games were connected. I think we'll see another company pop up. Maybe an organization like JW has with that Dino conservationist group.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, it was definitely cool

Might be another corp. now
or not

All depends

[meager junco]

Anyone else hear the Morse code by the docks/port on spiro? Idk anything about that sort of stuff so it could mean nothing for all ik(I was human)

[acoustic osprey]

SOS

And "B"

[icy onyx]

Any theories on what B could mean?

I feel like it meaning something like "Island/Site B" is too obvious. Is there Morse code anywhere else with just one letter?

[acoustic osprey]

B-445

But that's mostly primal lore
So no

[icy onyx]

I'd explore the island a bit myself but we probably won't be getting much more in-game lore till Gateway.

Unless more human structures get released on Spiro as testing

[acoustic osprey]

I was going to today to see if Spiro changed

But
I honestly doubt it has

Nor is it planned to yet

But we'll see it being worked on, just not now

[livid shard]

You mean, There's another similar planet?

Because if we go realistically we have not found any other fauna similar to the land! I mean! Not even for Trees or Shrubs

and I know that realism is not necessary in a video game or in its fundamentals (Not many games respect it) but I am still a faithful believer that the game is based on a remote island on planet earth

The only other theory I could respect is that they are in a massive spaceship that simulates an ecosystem in which dinosaurs can live.

But it's kinda weird

[icy onyx]

Yeah I'm with Lightclaw on it, I'm not too big of a fan if it's like, a second earth or earthlike planet

[echo trout]

anyone have a link to the isle lore ducument

[livid shard]

I don't really think so

How did humans manage to cross over to another planet?

[icy onyx]

What we've seen from Human tech and structures it's more grounded and what you'd see today, or maybe like 20 years from now

[livid shard]

Specially a Planet really similar to earth

[icy onyx]

So space travel is kinda out of the question imo

[livid shard]

Then

Wdym about a second earth

[runic shuttle]

it's in the pinned messages 😊

[icy onyx]

Like humans found a habitable planet, or "earthlike" and they started putting dinos in it.

I'm saying I'm not a fan of that theory

[livid shard]

Oh lol

I think I misunderstood you, sorry XD

[icy onyx]

I lean towards where it is on earth, albeit separate universe where the technology to engineer these animals and strains is possible

[livid shard]

But yeah

[livid shard]

Yeah.

[icy onyx]

Actually, is there any lore from previous maps we can still take into account? Or is evrima essentially a fresh slate where some old lore is still in and most is cut.

I ask because with things like them teasing Region 2 redwoods and stuff if that means Region 2 (or atleast parts of it) can still be in play

[sharp knoll]

Evrima is basically a new beginning of the lore, forget the legacy, forget PI and PC connections, is all scrapped.

[icy onyx]

Hmm alright, I'll have to give the doc a read through, so I can catch up with what we know so far.

[sharp knoll]

Not really much but at least we have the pages that talks about ERRANT-291

[acoustic osprey]

No no
That's a possibility

But I highly doubt that one

[acoustic osprey]

(although, knowledge of Legacy lore can still help. Excluding PI stuff)

[acoustic osprey]

Both two should be in the pins

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing
my one

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

Hellshade one

[acoustic osprey]

Only Spiro and Gateway

[icy onyx]

Reading through your doc rn. Devs have been making it kind of up in the air whether or not AE has good intentions or not.

Of course things like messing with genetics and creating devastating hybrids is like a classic evil corporation move but idk.

The biggest thing for me is where and how AE gets their funding. As investors (atleast in our world) often have heavy impact on what and why a company does what they do

And if genetics is a private sector of the corporation with a public one handling other services, or if it is their only focus with no public sector

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say, most likely, neutral

But they could definitely be trying to portray as really good and helping humanity

[tender dock]

Are Generation 2 Mercenaries just hired guns from Apollo Engineering's competitors to run in during the lockdown to obtain AEs Strains?
would be cool if you were a human and you were able to get in get a vial of dna or something to the strain get out and it unlocks the ability to spawn as a baby dino with said extracted strain instead of waiting til elder status.

[icy onyx]

For me personally that depends on if there's factions of mercs. Last I remember they are hired by AE to get operations running on the island again.

Which makes me wonder what or who is the cause of systems going down in the first place if that idea is still going to be a thing that is

[tender dock]

I dont think AE are the good guys, from what I see theyre building weapons not dinosaurs. Besides Operation INFERNO stole assets from their competitors. Something happened on the island and I see the Phoenix Organization is just going for an eye for eye scenario here.

[icy onyx]

Well with Phoenix being non Canon now it's up in the air with mercs. I'm kinda hoping if the idea of humans needing to maintain(and maybe build parts) facilities that engineers will be either a class of merc or something similar.

Cause that'd be a good indication of who sent them. Unless of course, some mercs are double agents and that can be a way to introduce another corporation/entity

Or the mercs as a whole are lying/covering up who really sent them

And if Gene stealing of strains is a goal then that'd be a cool reason for scientist classes

[tender dock]

Well even as double agents you put human beings in a primal setting your stripping away the society that holds us together. People no matter what will turn on eachother

you got a granola bar I got a gun and am hungry I win

OLYMPUS Control goes offline on 12/7/2007
Hardpoint was re-established on 12/8/2007
Incident Summary of Errant-291 was completed on 12/9/2007

or maybe 2172

idk I just took a quick glance at some base wiki lore and the 2 documents they posted about some incident

The technology from helicopters/weapons doesnt scream 100 years into the future though

[icy onyx]

Timefram3 is definitely a tricky one that we may never have an answer for.

My personal time frame was always between 1990's to 2040's

With incidents and events happening between that time frame. With even in game the islands/maps all being in different years from each other

[tender dock]

cant convince me this doesnt say 12/8/2--7

[acoustic osprey]

They're not Mercenaries

[tender dock]

what are they?

[acoustic osprey]

Being Gen 2

Synthetically made humans

[icy onyx]

Maybe its 12/8/--7-?

[tender dock]

I can see a 2 before the 7 at the start

[acoustic osprey]

2172

[tender dock]

If they are synthetic that makes a lot more sense

[icy onyx]

Ah yeah I see the bottom half of a 2 now

[acoustic osprey]

Aye
Glad they're not Mercs

[tender dock]

If the site had been down for 100 years it makes much more sense that their is a working food chain across the island and that some things appear overgrown

the tech is old so humans have to rebuild

[icy onyx]

2170's is just a really weird time frame for me.

[tender dock]

AE isnt around company went bankrupt decades ago and the islands are just left here to rot

[acoustic osprey]

Same

[icy onyx]

I'm not expecting like super advanced Halo type stuff but most of the human tech we've seen outside of the aviary dome stuff doesn't really scream that far into the future

2070's maybe but not 2170's

[acoustic osprey]

And doesn't feel right that they're using that font and style or writing reports in the 2100s

[tender dock]

maybe we get cyberpunk cybernetics and ark tek tier

[acoustic osprey]

Unless the Isle's 2100s are our 1900s

This is still Earth (?)

[acoustic osprey]

I presume more so that they left due to unforseen circumstances

[icy onyx]

The top part gives me a curved feeling rather than a straight feeling. Are we sure it's a 1 and not a zero?

[tender dock]

I see a 1

if not a 1 its a 2

[tender dock]

ye

[acoustic osprey]

However
The way we did it was through upping exposure and messing with contrast

Which creates noise and artefacts

[tender dock]

thought about that then just decided to play the game and let others figure it out lmao

[acoustic osprey]

But, the resemblance is there with the "one"

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[tender dock]

what do you think the LLLRFL is?

I was thinking Left Left Left Right Front Left leading to somewhere

but at that point to many lefts makes a right

[icy onyx]

Thought it could make a symbol but could just be directions

[tender dock]

at the start you gotta be facing straight in order for it to make the first left

unless theirs stairs and it goes underground

considering its a underground tunnel network for the tram

[icy onyx]

It does give me tunnel direction vibes

Like sewers

[tender dock]

Like what?

[icy onyx]

Was just about to send that lol

[tender dock]

Fit goes hard on the quetz tho

[icy onyx]

Rugops concept art could be hinting at alot of things.

I know it's concept art and many dismiss it as subject to change but it atleast gives a viewpoint of the goals

[tender dock]

if you notice alot of phase 3 concepts include the massacre of humans unlike other phases where concept it just dino vs dino

[icy onyx]

I guess we'd have to see if Gateway will have any tunnels/sewers one can travel through

[acoustic osprey]

Could be

Seeing as it was 291's

He was going somewhere

To both three entrances

And Olympus Transmitter

[tender dock]

if their are security cameras we stay away from those paths

[acoustic osprey]

Definately are security cameras

[tender dock]

yeah but they didnt see him come in

no checkpoint teams left post nor was a previously unmapped access found

or he hid in plane sight considering he had a employee badge

[icy onyx]

It's gotta be a tunnel or sewer

[tender dock]

we havent gotten some of the lore behind what fully happened either

[acoustic osprey]

Was about to send it

[acoustic osprey]

We know that Don will basically not return back to characters introduced in these reports

[tender dock]

so the devs take a 3 year long break and decide to make an anime of the lore that ends up being mid

[acoustic osprey]

No?

[tender dock]

that was a joke

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.giphy.com/media/rTigEBFVhDfHzRdgxH/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[icy onyx]

D sector is sticking out to me for some reason

Cause that can have a whole host of meaning in context

[acoustic osprey]

Likely referring to Olympus Transmitter

Seeing as he (291) wrote down about Olympus being offline

[tender dock]

dont forget the question mark ?

[icy onyx]

It brings me back to this part of your document. I'm looking over instances of sector being mentioned

[acoustic osprey]

Probably presumed it was online

[tender dock]

meaning he didnt do what made it offline

[acoustic osprey]

We have K15
But have no idea if it's actually properly called K15 in lore

Likely that the map itself is mapped in a grid system

But the facilities and GUTS routes being down like the Network graph done sent in P3

This being a network graph

Which would be perfect for something like The GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

Oop, was just gonna ask if there was an image of the two together. Was gonna see if LLLRFL made sense with the grid (though I'm sure it's been done already)

[tender dock]

The devs gave us a very hard puzzle to put together shouldve been less pieces

[acoustic osprey]

Which grid?

[icy onyx]

Meant guide, phone autocorrected

[acoustic osprey]

If you're referring to the ripped diagram

That's an abstract (a network graph)

So using directions like left and right won't work

A to D to F isn't obviously going to be straight.
But it's one route roughly in the upward direction

If that makes sense

So you'd need a proper map

291 might've put "LLLRFL" from the route from G to B

[tender dock]

or thats where he wandered in Section D

[acoustic osprey]

Because he didn't have a proper map

[acoustic osprey]

I'm presuming section D is referring to Olympus Transmitter

Seeing as he wrote about it on the abstract

[icy onyx]

So he went from the Lodge to Hades entry using LLLRFL. gotcha

[tender dock]

no

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[tender dock]

we wouldnt know

for sure

[acoustic osprey]

You could guess

Seeing as he wrote the arrow from G to B and then the date

But who knows what it meant

[icy onyx]

If we take it as where he came and went that could leave us with 2 places he was trying to go to. Purely speculating that where the lines connect means the areas lead to one another with like a tram or shuttle service

[tender dock]

Section D could be underneath the radio tower

[icy onyx]

What could make him question whether or not transmitter is down

[acoustic osprey]

He likely either wanted to take information somewhere and transmit it

[tender dock]

May of had something that could see the frequencies of what the tower was transmitting and on his way around the island the transmission went down

or down to some EMP type dino idk if they scrapped that crap

[acoustic osprey]

More so in Tartarus

[tender dock]

You going off greek mythology

[icy onyx]

So unless you can transmit at the transmitter itself then he'd have to go to central control

[tender dock]

someone could also make up some bs story and call them with the code he had

like pulling a fire alarm and evacuating a building its the same principle, but hes not the one to do it

considering the documentation that he had this is a multicrew mission

and hes not in the payday gang

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
Almost all of the Isle lore is off Greek Mythos

[icy onyx]

This and if we say he went from the lodge to an entrance leads me to believe there's a strict set of rules regarding employees of what they do and where they go after and before their shifts.

[acoustic osprey]

But Tartarus is confirmed back anyways

And somewhere linked with Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

Definately seems like a lot of rules with AE

[tender dock]

doesnt say his shift and SHIFT is caps

could mean something too like an employee guidline

[icy onyx]

There's always the possibility it's just some employee who thought the transmitter was offline (or he saw something having to do with the transmitter), left the lodge after his shift to go report it to control, pr atleast an area where radios are permitted and was detained for breaking a rule.

[tender dock]

S.H.I.F.T just like G.U.T.S

unless shift is referring to a morning to night whole facility shift amongst employees

[tender dock]

do you know what font they used on the documents

[icy onyx]

Him dying of cardiac arrest is what interests me quite a bit

[tender dock]

They probably killed him

Oh no a guy broke in our facility and is getting data and our transmitter somehow is out oh no what shall we do...

also considering if their might still be cannibals they might have been testing strains on people too

If I owned the place I wouldnt want people knowing these kinds of things

[icy onyx]

He had to have been witness to something if his death was foul play.

[tender dock]

Im telling you AE isnt the good guys

[acoustic osprey]

Not specifically
But you could find one similar to it

[tender dock]

Ive found similar but im looking for something that fits the spacing well

[acoustic osprey]

Special elite

[icy onyx]

Ok ok ok ok

Given Errants meaning I feel pretty confident in my theory the 291 was an employee or held some position in AE's facility (may have had some sort of access to GUTS). And after an event happen 291 broke the rules by leaving the lodge after shift. And either because he witnessed something, was a double agent or was suspected by AE to have ill intentions was killed by AE. And after his death AE labeled him as errant to the companies path (or traitor, mutinist etc etc)

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[quartz sundial]

do we know what GUTS is

[tender dock]

Generic Underground Tunnel System?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[chrome acorn]

yes

[quartz sundial]

😱

[acoustic osprey]

The Monorails are one aspect of it

Likely even Tartarus

[tender dock]

Font is actually X Typewriter

[quartz sundial]

is tartarus a map/location like gateway is (even tho gateway refers to more than just the map)

i tried searching thru the lore doc website but only found 1 mention of it so far

[light flare]

It's hard to tell whether Tartarus is a physical place or an abstraction. It could be interpreted either as an underground containment facility or some kind of digital prison. 🤷‍♂️

[quartz sundial]

:O

[icy onyx]

Greek mythology it's a prison for titans, so the chances it has to do with containing things like strains is pretty high

[acoustic osprey]

I'm guessing a facility

Likely relating to the creation of strains/bigger strains and might hold/or held The Replicator

Although it's a physical place of sorts

Just what is it's purpose is the question

[light flare]

At least one of its purposes is to contain things that could not be controlled or imprisoned otherwise. I don't know how they could hope to keep the nastier strains locked away though. Hyperendocrine Colossus is supposedly the size of an office building, so I'm not sure how they could keep it underground.

[acoustic osprey]

Looking at the GUTS concept art

Seems to have space

But Tartarus has to be somewhere
Seeing as Gateway is a gateway to Tartarus

The only way you could really go is down

[icy onyx]

A lot of the human facilities we've seen on Gateway (I believe) have been pretty high up in mountains too. Underground mountain facility isn't that far fetched

[acoustic osprey]

Most likely presuming it's underground

Tartarus in mythos being underground

GUTS being an underground network

And a possible reference to something (a facility) being underground through the use of the broken lines

[light flare]

Nice touch by Dondi structuring it like the Sephirot

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, late touch

But it's likely just a small minor reference with little to no meaning

[light flare]

Depends on how you look at it. Thematically it demonstrates AE are really high on their own power. They think they've recreated the Tree of Life.

[icy onyx]

Think the broken lines represent GUTS?

[acoustic osprey]

I think the whole thing represents the GUTS

[acoustic osprey]

Them using a bunch of Greek Mythos and naming aspects of their facilities after Greek Mythos is already good enough for it

[acoustic osprey]

Broken lines, in Network theory, representing going down in altitude

I'm presuming the "bottom thing" below L with the three parts off it could be Tartarus

[icy onyx]

Started paying attention to this.

Maybe?...

[light flare]

Greek mythology and taxonomy are common in codename systems and medical fields. Moving up to Judeo-Christian abstractions implies an even greater sense of self-righteousness.

[acoustic osprey]

The Trinity
Tisso, hyper and neuro

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
Maybe not

Referring to your field with a multitude of Gods is pretty egotistical

[light flare]

the Sephirot has a counterpart, a demonic tree, called the Qliphot

[icy onyx]

I mean, AE represents the God Apollo pretty damm well

[acoustic osprey]

You'd often refer your company with Abrahamic religions if you honestly thought your company was called by God to do his bidding

Being monotheistic.
I doubt AE would want to call upon a more "peaceful" God compared to the many Gods of the Greek Mythos

Not to say God, especially with the Jews, wasn't powerful nor did he not show his strength and omnipotency

[icy onyx]

If we really wanna get conspiracy theorist level, despite Apollo having many kids (normal dinosaurs) he had 3 famous kids (the 3 strains) Orpheus, Asclepious, and Ion

this is a sorta joke

[light flare]

Well God wasn't particularly peaceful even in that context. In Exodus Moses had to directly intercede on behalf of the Israelites when God was going to destroy them. The word "evil" was used.

[acoustic osprey]

@light flare

[light flare]

El Shaddai gonna shadad

🌩️

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

I am quite fond with the funny stuff God did in the earlier parts of the Abrahamic religions

[quartz sundial]

unsure if this is any help but in greek mythology, there were also stories of people being turned into monsters by the gods, like Scylla who was a nymph turned into a big monster. Sounds familiar to dinos becoming strains, or humans becoming cannibals/echidna/etc

[acoustic osprey]

I'm saying Echidna might

[quartz sundial]

cool coincidence but i dont know if any of those stories have been referenced so far in TI lore

[light flare]

this thing was apparently a person once

[quartz sundial]

o so we dont know for certain if echidna was once human

thats reaper right

[light flare]

Tissoplastic Reaper yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Being, if I remember still, Echidna and the other human strains were

I believe Echidna touched funny Neuro Goo

[quartz sundial]

apollo goop

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[light flare]

strains are probably contagious given the warnings about coming into contact with them

[quartz sundial]

ye, or maybe certain strains can have effects on the mind, so a human strain could manipulate or have some kind of influence on a person maybe

[icy onyx]

Think it's safe to say N-types can have influence on people

[light flare]

still crossing my fingers for N-type troods that can conjure phantoms of itself as decoys

[acoustic osprey]

That being about neuros

[quartz sundial]

mirage from apex but a therapod lol

i always get tisso and neuro mixed up, the spino we've seen is neuro right? the dark one with the freaky spine and no eyes

[icy onyx]

Yes

[light flare]

that and whatever it does to their brains, Troods were supposedly very intelligent. Can't imagine what they're capable of with telepathic brains

[quartz sundial]

and tisso was the tracker one iirc

[icy onyx]

Stealth, tracking, camouflage etc etc

[light flare]

yeah the no eyes thing is neuros, tisso are all spiky and almost kinda plant-like in some cases

[acoustic osprey]

Still lesser than Echidna
But still

If Echidna is able to replicate human voices

Can only imagine neuro Troodons and their mimicry

[light flare]

Echidna seems to have had some kind of leadership or oversight function over Gen1s, so it might have even been working for AE in some capacity.

[acoustic osprey]

Being their adopted Mother

[quartz sundial]

i wonder if the strain plants have different types like N, T, and H. Probably similar but not identical? THe concept art we saw looked like it could be a "hyper" of sorts, but i dont think plants have an endocrine system lol

[acoustic osprey]

If she still is

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[icy onyx]

We know if the matriarch is still a thing?

[light flare]

Dondi made a comment about how tapwing's matriarch concepts could be retroactively canon, but outside of that I don't think there was any confirmation.

[icy onyx]

Ah, was wondering cause I haven't heard about it since V3 days

[acoustic osprey]

No, nothing yet

[acoustic osprey]

She does have a good eye with the feel of the isle

Looking at Drone Quetz

Might see Matriarch and others if it fits with Evrima's lore

[light flare]

I get the impression Dondi wants to keep the image of the game as being relatively grounded in the dinosaur sim aspect and wants to downplay the more sci-fi stuff for now.

[light flare]

Yeah, hopefully so. If she's still a life cycle shape shifter that's probably pretty far down the line as far as resources and development goes.

[acoustic osprey]

Always sounded a bit "oh"

Everything I'd think about it

Just depends on if Don wants AE to just go bat crazy with doing stuff on dinosaurs or not

[icy onyx]

Taps tisso ideas are some of my fav she's done

Her Tisso dilo especially. LOVE the cobra theme

[light flare]

yeah loving that cobra hood

[light flare]

If he wants to get really crazy he could have her incorporate genetic material into herself from her prey. Tear a chunk out of a Quetz for wings, eat a carno's liver for horns.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

That'd honestly be really cool

[drifting citrus]

That spino look sick as hell

[lofty spade]

all mutation Hyper, Neoro, Tisso.

[celest apex]

remember that giant skeleton on older the isle versions

the one you can see in some of IGPs old vids if i recall correctly

i wonder if that was ever put into lore

[icy onyx]

that was meant to be the matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

Island walker

[celest apex]

oh gotcha

[acoustic osprey]

Island walker

[celest apex]

i cant find any info on it

[acoustic osprey]

You wont

[celest apex]

fair enough

[vague root]

It was cool to see people trying to reconstruct the thing by its skeleton

Until dinosauriac told em that he slapped a bunch of unrelated bones on a human ribcage

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[jade igloo]

wait a minute, i thought they removed h-strain dinos from the game and thanks to this channel i've learned there's 2 more strains and that they're important to the lore somehwat

[sonic rampart]

Removed from the game, not from existence

They'll be readded eventually

[zinc marsh]

So I doubt they’ll be added to the game ever but do you think that the colossus, reaper and the neuro mastermind will ever be re added to the lore? I honestly want to see more about these things, although if they are still canon their probably locked up in Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

Sisyphus

[tender dock]

something like that

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-maul-star-wars-gif-26461031

Literally Maul

poor bugger who was assigned under "Sisyphean" must've been only the guy in AE who didn't know Greek Mythos

[tender dock]

https://tenor.com/view/raquita-gif-9201679

Lets just call it climbing the cooperate ladder

[acoustic osprey]

Still contemplating if it's Olympus Central or not

[tender dock]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

it's both real hard to see the word itself

and that it should be referred to Olympus Central Control

[tender dock]

I tried other things nothing sounded right but on the document its OLYMPUS Central Control

[acoustic osprey]

realistically

[tender dock]

Realistically Itd be a really cool dino park with really cool dinos

[torpid roost]

Someone can explain me why is called omniraptor teh utah?

[sharp knoll]

Because they gonna make accurate Utahraptor in the future

[icy onyx]

Essentially like the novaraptor in PC.

Designed by AE. I'm sure they'll give a lore reason eventually (hopefully nothing boring like hurr durr military use)

[torpid roost]

Maybe omniraptor means something like a esperiment or idk

[tender dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677739549744562209/1057124742336880690/image.png

how long has this been here at the port

I dont go to the port often but I got lost as a human and decided to check it out since I havent been around it in a while

[icy onyx]

Can essentially rename omniraptor to "universal raptor"

Or, what one thinks of when they think about raptor thanks Jurassic park

[icy onyx]

Think it's been there for awhile now,

[safe ravine]

It's been there since they added the roads and everything else textured

[tender dock]

fr just needs some gas

[light flare]

Modern palaeontologists believe that most raptors had feathers and some other traits that aren't present in the contemporary image of a raptor. I assume the Omniraptor is, like others have said, a wholly new species that Apollo created for some reason. So basically it's called that to retroactively justify having the popular culture version of a raptor in the game.

You know how Jurassic Park called its raptors Velociraptors? Well, those were a lot smaller in real life. Like medium-large dog sized.

[acoustic osprey]

All Raptor

[icy onyx]

Literally lol

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[acoustic osprey]

Ever since Port was added

Already said but yes.
We know we'll be getting multiple ports as well, which is cool

Although, I do want to see how many vehicles AE has

[icy onyx]

Wonder if we'd see any military-like vehicles that are abandoned and inoperable.

Can be good world building on the strength strains have

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

Depends how explicitly you'd call a vehicle "military"

Albeit, we haven't really seen a "military-esque" vehicle in the concept art yet

[icy onyx]

I think it mainly depends on how they use vehicles for scene/world building.

As a tank nerd, seeing a apc or something like it all f'ed up and abandoned from like a hypo attacking it would create such an amazing atmosphere to the area

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

But yeah, I think the average vehicle is going to be less militaristic and more just offroad-build

[icy onyx]

True. The biggest thing I could see them doing is like a crashed plane or large transport truck busted open

[tender dock]

Cant forget their helicopter

looks kinda like a bell 47g

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[open pewter]

We’re getting a heli?!

I hope we are able to play as some flying dino that wrecks it

[acoustic osprey]

in the future

[celest apex]

the one we have already can probably wreck it

[open pewter]

Really? It’s kinda scrawny

[celest apex]

i mean it wont survive doing it, but it can do it

just smack it right into the rotor assembly and that heli is not staying afloat for much longer

or in the back tail rotor to make it spin out like you see in the movies

[icy onyx]

Kamakazie

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[tranquil imp]

The silent cry's of a female Hypo in the far away distance.

[open pewter]

Bro what

[tranquil imp]

I thought this was the lore theories

[open pewter]

It is

I’m just confused

[tranquil imp]

Do you not know what a hypo is/

[open pewter]

No I do but whered this c9me from 😭😭

[tranquil imp]

the creators

they are highly evolved Dinosaur Kijus

[open pewter]

I don’t know how to explain what I’m tryna get at so nvm

[tranquil imp]

ok

OK EVERYONE

I HEARED SOMTHING

and i swear to god that in the faint sounds in the forests heared a cry hypo in the distance

[open pewter]

That’s what I was tryna get at, I was trying to say like

How did u hear that cuz we haven’t had an hypo in ages and I don’t think we will see one any time soon

Is this on evirma or ?

[tranquil imp]

yep i heared a hypo in the distance

look i got confused what you were trying to say '

BUT SERIOSLY

[open pewter]

No worries sometimes I forget English 💀 my fault

[tranquil imp]

its fine

STILL SERIOSLY

AT NIGHT LISEN VERY CLOSLY AND YOU MIGHT HEAR IT

if you watch the isle evrima trailer on youtube at the end you hear a teased hypo roar and if you compare it in a distance sound effect....you got my theory.

[open pewter]

Sweet

[acoustic osprey]

hyper

https://tenor.com/view/meme-american-psycho-business-card-gif-25561759

[rapid chasm]

it is.

[celest apex]

are the magnas still a thing

[acoustic osprey]

No

[celest apex]

gotchy

what strains are still canon

[acoustic osprey]

All three besides Magna

Although, Magna is being replaced by an "O" strain

[echo gazelle]

tragic

[acoustic osprey]

^

[toxic zinc]

Magna is scarier than hypos

Or hypers

[acoustic osprey]

other way

[toxic zinc]

No because hypers hunger drain is to much to fit in an ecosystem

[acoustic osprey]

Magna is just lesser Hyper

[toxic zinc]

Magna has littler hunger drain so it can actually survive

[acoustic osprey]

I'd be more scared to see a Hyper. I'd leave immediately

[toxic zinc]

Yes true

[acoustic osprey]

Magna? Ok, hi.
I will just hide

but you know.
Any old player would just leave

[violet blade]

Yea I'm hitting the road if I see this crouching in the forest of evrima

[acoustic osprey]

lol

But man, I really hope we see a come back of Temperate some way.
And but man I can't wait for Strains

[hexed flax]

You wont be able to hide if magnas still have their thermal vision XD

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[daring zinc]

Wait, does evrima have it’s own lore or just branching off from the old lore? Idk

[icy onyx]

Pretty much it's own with a couple things being carried over

[daring zinc]

Well I hope they keep the part of Matriarch lore from the isle caus that was pretty cool

[modern rover]

Thermal Vision Magna is an infinitely more interesting direction to go with such an idea than what magnas ended up being (lamer hypos)

[tranquil imp]

agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Newish Lore

Don is basically just redoing it.
Aspects of Legacy lore can reappear, but stuff like Primal Carnage wont

[crisp raven]

291

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-hi-buddy-the-lego-movie-lego-movie-liam-neeson-gif-5705276

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Who is he

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ERRANT-291

[woven rover]

politics in evrima

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Realistically we don't know properly

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the one from phase 3?

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Yes, same one from P3

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I heard there was a leak for gateway

Don't know if you saw it or noot

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There was, but I was notified from Punch just not to talk about it

[crisp raven]

I see. Then we won't

But I do wonder what all these other beings have to do with AE and what its doing

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291?

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one of em

I still have no clue what the replicator is either

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My best guess is that 291 is either a working scientist/engineer or Tribal

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Besides being an AI, pretty much. Yeah

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like a machine?

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We have no idea on her purpose, what she looks like, where is she, etc

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She's likely mind and body. Or just mind.

her name is likely very indicative of what she can actually do (That being Replicate)

So I'm presuming either "keeping the ecosystem fed"
In terms of, if Spiro and/or Gateway seems to not have a working environment then she is able to Replicate and reproduce

Either just animals (like an AE dinosaur or a modern animal)
or she can do both animals and plant-life

Or she's able to, somehow, replicate "Dinosaur DNA" and help AE engineers synthesise

[crisp raven]

maybe she replicates humans. That is why all gen 2s look the same

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Maybe.
But that depends

We know The Replicator is calling for sacrifices from Gen 1 (Tribals)

[crisp raven]

in gen 2s looking the same not part of lore

Did humans create the replicator?

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Gen 2s look all look unique

but they're all the same age

And we know AE made Gen 2s, likely Gen 1s as well

But we know if AE used The Replicator to assist them

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gen 2s are like clones

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yes and no.

[crisp raven]

So replicator is alien

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But they're not all identical, like SW clones

We don't also know if Replicator is an Alien or not

But she's an AI, that's certain.

She could be Alien Tech

[crisp raven]

Humans find the isle and the replicator. Find out they can do unnatural things. Start creating things and dinosaurs

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but for what we know, AE are just smart and made her

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Maybe.
All depends on The Replicator and what she is

[crisp raven]

and errant

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Which is one part of lore we're missing

291 isn't as important
He could play an aspect of "How Tribals (or earlier versions of Tribals) interacted"

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what is 291

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or 291 is just a simple scientist

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ERRANT-291

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which is/

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likely gone rogue

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the guy in #isle-phase-three

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a human?

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He seems human

but "how much" human?

But you know, we wait for any more information

all of us

each and every one of us using this channel

🫵

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what is biotrace

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yes

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@acoustic osprey

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Hold on, let me get the papers

A trace of biological material or activity, such as DNA, enzymes, or proteins, that can be used to identify or characterize a particular organism or process.

A product or device used to detect or analyze biotraces, such as a DNA sequencer or a protein assay kit.

A company that specializes in producing products or services related to biotraces, such as Biotrace International, a manufacturer of food safety and environmental monitoring products.

It's possible that the term "biotrace" could also be used more broadly to refer to any trace or evidence of biological activity or material.

Aka. I'm not too sure
And is likely more "colloquial" to AE if we had a bit more information on it

[runic shuttle]

I didn't know that, that's cool o:

[vague root]

So the only thing we know for sure is that they couldn't identify him

[crisp raven]

so it isn't a living creatur

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it could be.
Biotrace could be in reference to like a in-built detection/identification

but it continues with "and their designation to be ########"

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No.
That's in reference to the biotrace itself

But it depends.
Biotrace could be in reference to Neuros?

explicitly, Old lore

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but why would errant have it

yet they can speak

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No, more so doesn't have any trace of "Neuro-goo"

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Errant could also be the classification for a human

291 being the sector

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it's likely about

ERRANT

"erring or straying from the accepted course or standards."

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yea. that was what I was thinking

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291 is often referred to the actual person himself

so it seems to just place as a nickname

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maybe it is a gen 2. with a designated number

I've got it. Gen 2s were used as workers for the isle

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But I stated Neuros because, iirc, basically touching Neuro bio-assets (Aka. Neuro-Goo) is dangerous

But, I doubt this is in reference to Gen 2s

more so Gen 1s

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gen 1s are tribals

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But that depends on when Gen 2s were made

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They were still human

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but aren't they native?

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No

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what?

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IMO errant 291 could possibly refer to either a test subject or Dino. Perhaps connected with the AE experiments?

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They were made by AE

Hence "Gen 1"

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I doubt Dino, seeing as it could talk

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gen 1s were probably found to be defective

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Just going off of what I have been reading so far, and the many theories.

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yes

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True though, maybe dna chain experiments?

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explain further

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Experiment gone wrong? Sub-mutations resulting in a slightly human form?

Or human form in general

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We've only seen a few different human experiments with AE.

Gen 1s
Echidna
Reaper
Colossus
(Maybe The Eyeless? But that's undecided)

Then Gen 2

But we 100% know that Gen 1 (Tribals) and Gen 2s (Originally known as Mercs) were AE experiments

It could honestly be a Gen 1 with more cognitive function

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107
291 realising he's just an experiment

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Possible gen 1 subject connected more thoroughly with the Dino experiments?

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Dinos seem to be very much "lab rats"

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I think I've solved it. Gen 1s are sort of human but are mutated and are intelligent and self aware. After realizing how dangerous they were, the humans decided to make something less dangerous, gen 2s

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hold on, let me get the term

[crisp raven]

gen 1s must be mutated human/dino hybrids

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Basically "Genetically Modified Organisms"

Basically Dinos play as "GMOs"
Like a lab rat

Likely why we have Dino Strains

and why we have dinos in general

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Likely 291 was too self-aware, if he was a Tribal

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That was my theory behind 291

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dinosaurs were their first experimentation in hopes to make mutated humans. Then they combined dino and human together to create the gen 1s

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Gen 2s, for which I presume, were created quite some time after Gen 1s

Likely 20-40+ years

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they realized that dinosaur humans could be powerful

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Colossus

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Maybe they grew to uncontrolled sizes( colossus)

That must be it. Instead of making mutants, they made human clones

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I don't think AE wanted to create "Dino Humans"
But more so Gen 1s be a "perfect human"

or a "Second human body"

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Likely the result of overpopulation from the Dino experiments, in an effort to both depopulate and create new population based on fully sentient life forms?

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if the dinos overpopulated, I don't see why they couldn't just

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An attempt to create an ecosystem?

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they are making genetically playing around Dinos and multiple dino experiments
Ethics don't seem to be too concerning

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Wait, were you assuming that errants are gen1s or am i just misunderstanding

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Think of it this way: IRL they used to populate National Forests with native wolves to kill off herbivore populations and balance ecosystems

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They do seem to be creating an ecosystem.
But I'd say they would have the proper control measures so it doesn't become overpopulated

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I'm guessing 291 could be a Gen 1

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Maybe this was AE’s attempt to do so

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Colossus was built to kill the larger dinos, but it must have gotten out of control and then put into the prison, which I think is Tartarus?

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I don't think, AE (being a Bio-engineering medicine company) really cares much about trying to help National Forests, or something akin

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These are modified freaks of nature.

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I presume they are more focusing on the medicinal side of using Dinos as raw lab rats

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The dinos?

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No. It was meant to cut down their own dinosaur population

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Yea

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Colossus being such a threat might have spurred further attempts to keep Gen 1s from becoming uncontrollable

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They're not really freaks of nature.
That is more for the strains

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Gen 1s served as that. Becoming a threat, they were locked up

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But... this is an island(s) we're talking about

Not a giant forest surrounded in a giant country

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yes. Where the dino population might have gotten out of control

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Gun

https://tenor.com/view/over-the-hedge-dwayne-dwayne-over-the-hedge-verne-verne-over-the-hedge-gif-14121566

[vague root]

I mean, it is stated that he had a badge and the torn document (with notes btw), besides arent tribals like, giant mutants not being able to use tech properly once aquired...

[tidal bramble]

No that isn’t what I meant lol. If their genetic mutations had gotten out of control, maybe it was an attempt to create a control without having to decimate the population themselves

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Just above

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We don't know honestly.

[vague root]

Well maybe if the document we got is VERY old

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Tribals are likely quite monstrous and freaks of nature

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this isn't a theory I back very much. I think Gen 1s were made to be perfect humans, as well as being used to protect the operations as well as from tribals

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but we knew, in Legacy lore, that Tribals slowly lost their cognitive functions and went mad per cycle

Doesn't mean Humans (AE) couldn't interact with Tribals originally

But, that depends.

There are aspects in 291's file that would make sense for it being a Gen 1

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What is the role of dinosaurs in the lore?

[icy onyx]

Exist

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And then there are aspects of 291's file that don't make sense

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Likely Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
Aka. Lab Rats

[tidal bramble]

So this being known, it is quite possible that Gen 1s initial cognition breakdown could have spurred further genetic mutations based on primal urgency

[vague root]

The olympus central part was weird

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Gen 1s must be humanoid/monstrous beings. Its like The Boys superheroes. Humans, but not

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That is legacy lore still

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Ah true

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connected through Olympus Transmitter's old tweets

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Why would they need to make so many different variations?

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So we'll have to wait and see if Don retcons Olympus' tweets back

or that everything in those tweets are non-canon

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Why not use monkeys?

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exactly

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Who knows, is the reality of it

But, who knows again.

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Why dinosaurs? Maybe they were trying to integrate humans and dinosaurs into one

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AE love their Gods and Greek Mythos

likely AE wanting to try out making multiple dinos

What would you do if you could resurrect Dinos?

Just make one? Or multiple?

*that depends on your funding though

[tidal bramble]

Makes sense considering their experiments and the labs left behind

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but if AE is governmental, then funding isn't too much of an issue

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is Tartarus part of gateway or somewhere totally different

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Old colossus design

[tidal bramble]

Could also be the case for a private industry as well

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Don said Gateway was a gateway into Tartarus

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private industry funded by the Government

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Is tartarus underground then???

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Like in Greek Mythos, likely

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A giant superstructure built underneath the surface. I'm assuming we'll be able to see it in gateway

but not interact with it

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1056784575541555220/Untitled.png
I'm guessing it's the main one at the bottom

[tidal bramble]

Possibly quite more to it after discovering their splicing had worked. Further experimentations AFTER colossus HAD to have been performed.

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What do you think the purpose of the aviary structures are?

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Usually in network graphs, broken lines mean going down in altitude

[tidal bramble]

Or a privateer with enough money

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Dondi

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Likely aspects like Drone Quetz.
Botany sections, etc.

[crisp raven]

strain trees

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literally

The aviary is quite big

Could hold a strain tree

[crisp raven]

I really want strain trees on gateway. Could serve many purposes

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I'm mostly not a fan of Dino-Human hybrids.
Had enough of that in the 90s and 2000s

But yes, that's possible

[crisp raven]

Theres a good chance it is

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https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-pew-pew-saul-goodman-jimmy-mc-gill-bcs-gif-26492011

[tidal bramble]

DNA isolation tests possibly, finding chains that are compatible with human DNA to provide strength, agility, and endurance as well as regenerative assets? Maybe an early attempt of chaining the Gen 2 experiments?

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The main three, mostly Colossus, are very dinosaur-esque human strains

[crisp raven]

maybe the variations of the dinos is because each species held a trait that AE wanted to explore further

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Oooh good idea there

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likely

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or Gen 1

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(venom, strength, speed, stamina, snot traps, climbing, etc.)

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Before Colossus went out of control maybe?