isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

Guess I'll just have to explode

[edgy pike]

The gifs are not doing it for me I’m gonna be honest

[acoustic osprey]

True

A bit of bias from my half though.
A lot of them have been directed towards me

[edgy pike]

Must be nice 🌚

[acoustic osprey]

I'm grateful for that.
Help lore as much as I can

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-sad-gif-26043538

[edgy pike]

Gateway update will have something substantial

[acoustic osprey]

well, I've had the Replicator stuff in my head for ages. Glad I can say something about it.
Had a wacky thought about a voice for it

[edgy pike]

Like that big horn blast aviary or something

[acoustic osprey]

📯 Honestly wonder what it meant

[edgy pike]

Unless he’s blue balling us and it won’t be in the first version of the map

[acoustic osprey]

I'm HOPING it'll have some lore to it

something useful and/or something we can at least point out

and not just human building
cool

I'm all for it.
Not the first time I've stared at walls for video games (or real life)

[edgy pike]

Abandoned documents on tables or whiteboards in labs for us to read

Just a crumb of lore

A smidgen

[acoustic osprey]

Same thing with Blade and Sorcery.
However, it's all gibberish

(please don't be gibberish in Isle, if it exists)

[edgy pike]

Primal carnage, not that it’s lore is relevant now, did it good with the stuff strewn about the maps

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah

[edgy pike]

And the hidden secrets in the loading screens

[acoustic osprey]

I can't wait though

It's all hopes and dreams, obviously.
But just a simple wish that I wish to come true

Stories in games are always fun.
Especially with friends.

I know this isn't proper storytelling.
But I find lore hunting a nice trek

[edgy pike]

map release
aviary and buildings interiors blank, paper and sign props too low res and the text is Lorem Ipsum spam

[acoustic osprey]

I got a feeling

I highly doubt Aviary will have an interior

A lot of work for Visual.
Although he's done a lot of good stuff

especially with The G.U.T.S.

[edgy pike]

I’m sure it will one day, but for now it probably doesn’t serve any gameplay purpose until humans with their loot and base repair mechanics are in

[acoustic osprey]

Oh, the GUTS.
I wonder if that's still Spiro or Gateway? Or both?

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

[edgy pike]

I would say both

[acoustic osprey]

K15, being very close to the Aviary from memory, already has interiors to hide in

[edgy pike]

No reason not to have “safe” underground transport on any island with dangerous animals above ground

[acoustic osprey]

I hope so.

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely.
Just depends on what each island was used for? I guess

If one island is just Site B or a reserve of sorts.
No point having a proper GUTS

Or if Spiro didn't get to finish development

[edgy pike]

I would assume Spiro is definitely more nature reserve-data gathering in its usage

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, one or the other for me

[edgy pike]

Big paddocks (if any at all), small scattered research stations etc

[acoustic osprey]

Scarce placements of everything with minimal but spinal road systems

[edgy pike]

Gateway being “a gateway to somewhere” I would say is either the main island (like the first one you’d visit before going to all the others), or at the other end of the spectrum, a high tech and high security island that holds the gateway to whatever the most secret stuff is

Whether that’s another location idk but I’m leaning more towards that

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway to Tartarus

[edgy pike]

Replicator’s supercomputer, Tartarus idk

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what they want for Tartarus honestly

but it's such a perfect name for a place

[edgy pike]

I mean we still have to wait for the place to be re-canonised lol

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-white-meme-heisenberg-heisenberg-breaking-bad-breaking-bad-gif-26006988

Hoping.

[edgy pike]

😀

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bMa7s.gif

[acoustic osprey]

very good

I can tick that off

[edgy pike]

Immense relief

Thank god

[acoustic osprey]

Can now scatter back to my cave and resume my watch

[edgy pike]

That was one of my favourite parts of the old lore

[acoustic osprey]

[edgy pike]

Back to work goblin

[acoustic osprey]

opposite!

Just gotta wonder now.
What's been tinkered with (if any) for Tartarus?
And if so... What's gone? Stayed the same? And changed?

[edgy pike]

To start with how many mentions did we have of it?

[acoustic osprey]

Of what we know

I believe not too much in the public-side of things

[pseudo fable]

May stay that way for a while. Lately I've been writing "anomalous incident reports" which highlight deviations from suspected paleo behavior to player behavior.

Which has been a pretty fun way to get across a lot of information.

[acoustic osprey]

Ah

That's right, you've been describing how animals have acted in their environment
At least I remember the Beipi one

[edgy pike]

Oh like the “beipis attack anything that gets in their water” thing?

[pseudo fable]

Yeah.

[edgy pike]

Yeah that

[acoustic osprey]

Which is fun.
"Paleo animal reports" is quite a fun thing

[cinder shoal]

Seems interesting. Could be fun to read/watch too

[acoustic osprey]

Oh definitely, no matter the description size.
It's cool to wonder what it'd be like if it were "real"

As if you were reading the JP Novel(s)

[edgy pike]

Does the intended gameplay of Beipi (stats, matchups with its contemporaries) line up with these behaviours or is it strictly a lore thing?

[mystic rivet]

Does the new Utah being called omni have any relation to lore

[pseudo fable]

Beipis being this precious looking scuttleduck until something gets far enough into the water where they can reliably maim/kill the animal in question has always been an idea I wanted to kick over to it.

[acoustic osprey]

most likely

[mystic rivet]

Like would omni be a new strain

[acoustic osprey]

why not I guess.
Not a simple little herbi, a little kick in it's personality sounds exciting and unique for a small thing like it

[mystic rivet]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
It'd be funny if it were just O

[pseudo fable]

Juvenile tenontosaurus goes for a swim but gets prehistoric otter'd.

[acoustic osprey]

Mimicking the expression you'd make when you see an O-strain coming straight towards you

[mystic rivet]

Now I wanna see that

[cinder shoal]

I’d love to se some random thing of “we have reports of certain hypsis running to much larger creatures, and repeatedly spitting their acid bile at them. As well as being overall aggressive to things they stand no chance against. We aren’t sure what causes this behavior to be exhibited, but it could be caused by a recessive defect being passed down in their populations.”

[mystic rivet]

Maybe a human goes swimming at night and gets mauled by a bunch of beipis

[edgy pike]

Ripped apart by ducks or eaten by alligators, plus everything else that’s coming to the water is gonna be fun lmao

[acoustic osprey]

what a silly human.
I wonder if their name is Ned or Dennis

[mystic rivet]

Probably is

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-ingen-movies-gif-24822829

[mystic rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-wayne-knight-jurassic-park-gif-24822869

Humans reaction to anything at night:

[acoustic osprey]

Gotta love the lone antagonist's in stories

[acoustic osprey]

[mystic rivet]

Add in a Dennis nedry skin as an Easter egg lmao

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[mystic rivet]

Imagine seeing a Dennis nedry holding an ak chasing down dinos

[cinder shoal]

Gets jumped by a dilo

[mystic rivet]

Alr let’s get back on the topic of lore

[edgy pike]

Well anyway with Tartarus being alive and well, I think gateway is likely to be some sort of place where the access to it is

That or some other high level place

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes

[mystic rivet]

It is called gateway after all

[edgy pike]

Like replicator ascension or smth

[mystic rivet]

Lightclaw is ur pinned doc on lore up to date cuz imma read thro if it is

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[mystic rivet]

Alr thx

[acoustic osprey]

doesn't include what Don said yesterday.
Nor right just then.

But besides that? Then yes

[edgy pike]

OG transmissions said looking to the sky revealed to path to gateway but idk if that’s a thing now

[mystic rivet]

I’m in there lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[mystic rivet]

Also ye so I kinda get the lore

AE is making perfect humans right?

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much, from the sounds of it

[mystic rivet]

The echinda is like a living entity or no

Echidna

[acoustic osprey]

Mutated human (Gen 1?)
With the neuro strain

[mystic rivet]

Isn’t neuro strain for like poisonous kinda stuff

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[mystic rivet]

Oh ok

[fringe marsh]

To my knowledge- (and due note that this is probably outdated) hypers are incredible large and strong. Neuro's are able to manipulate the weather possibly and also act as EMP's, as well as being able to mess with your mind. Tisso's are much faster and much more agile than their base counterpart and also are mostly poisonous in someway.

[mystic rivet]

I must of been thinking of tissos

[fringe marsh]

Probably.

Granted tissos I think are being completely reworked conceptually. No idea what they might even look like in-game.

[upper axle]

i got an idea about the quetz robot thing

i think it's a drone for the humans to scout places

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

In tap's drawings, before it was canon, it was referred as drone quetz

[hexed flax]

Everything in the game is supposed to be playable. So when we get Quetz would there be a way to become drone Quetz? What if most of the Dinosaurs can get mechanical enhancements

[oblique surge]

well not everything is gonna be playable
things like fish and rabbits might be completely innacessible, maybe on sandbox
the robot quetz specifically is something we dont really know much about, it might be playable for quetz players, it might be a tool used by Gen 2, it might not even be in the game at all, only appearing in the lore
hard to say until we get more info

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder what that hole could lead to

[crisp raven]

random cave

[acoustic osprey]

No lol

It's a G.U.T.S. entrance

[crisp raven]

its probably just a tunnel

what do you think will be in it?

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, the G.U.T.S.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bVCCu.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Probably my favourite aspect of this phase three

And technically the proper showing off it
Excluding the monorail

[half linden]

The Aviary!!

[upper axle]

seems as tho my theory has turned to fact

[acoustic osprey]

Which?

[edgy pike]

I wanna see more caves

And how much of them are linked together

[stark latch]

Dead

[weak crypt]

Nothing but death if you see the train coming

[chrome acorn]

The hole leads to more holes

[acoustic osprey]

GUTS my friend

[sage cedar]

GUTS our beloved

[acoustic osprey]

[edgy pike]

Caves and GUTS linked in together perhaps

[wild rain]

How would Humans play a part in The Isle?

[rustic halo]

they created the dinosauruses

[rapid chasm]

Creation of dinosaurs & the human buildings such as GUTS, and the aviary(s)/atrium(s)

[acoustic osprey]

As per what it was originally for

[wild rain]

should have been more specific. Mercenaries and Tribals

[acoustic osprey]

Gen 2 and Gen 1

Not Mercenaries

[rapid chasm]

Mercs are normal humans from what i believe

[modern rover]

Mercenaries are no longer really a thing

Generation 2 aren't hired guns, they seem to be just regular humans created by AE

How they were created and who created them is more of a mystery. We know the Replicator is making Gen 1, but it's possible AE is responsible for gen 2, not the Replicator

[acoustic osprey]

Genetically made humans

[acoustic osprey]

No, AE are making Gen 2
(Gen 2 are the humans)

AE also made the Gen 1 (Tribals)

[modern rover]

Sorry I completely mistyped

[acoustic osprey]

But The Replicator has taken over them (Tribals)
And Echidna is looking after them like their mother

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/apology-accepted-captain-needy-darth-vader-gif-17972491

[modern rover]

Mercenaries were renamed because
A: Mercenary doesn't accurately represent their playstyle or purpose in The Isle
B: Lore-wise, they simply just aren't mercenaries anymore, they have a new purpose now

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Mercs were the way of the early Isle
Very early

[modern rover]

It was giving people the wrong idea of these gun-toting hunters gunning down the animals, and not regular humans trying to struggle in an ecosystem which far outclasses them

[acoustic osprey]

I presume still enhanced.
Just nothing like the Tribals

[modern rover]

Yea of course

You can tell they're in peak physical shape

But they're still human

Tribal is more biologically accustomed to its ecosystem, but you can't really classify it as human.

[acoustic osprey]

Albeit, still a human

[icy onyx]

interesting

i would 100% still classify cannibals as human

as in, within the Homo genus

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Just heavily altered

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/blK6v.gif

[icy onyx]

UH OH

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah obviously

[icy onyx]

Probably enough behavioral and morphological to not call them human?

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say they're still "baseline" humans
Just very very altered

Pure monster

[icy onyx]

that’s what i was saying

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bTeyO.gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-scared-watching-observing-nervous-gif-15028251

[icy onyx]

i wonder what went wrong

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder if it went wrong

Or the exterior of the Tribals was on purpose

[icy onyx]

[strange shell]

If we go by the old concept arts, the appearance of the eyeless seem pretty intentional. They're fit, symmetrical and overall quite pleasing to look at.
As for the baseline tribals, I don't think having your two eyes at different heights and facing different directions has any evolutionary advantage.

[acoustic osprey]

Of course, these are not simple evolved creatures though

[fringe marsh]

you can look down and up at the same time so you never get distracted, obviously.

I'm sort of curious, are tribals and eyeless capable of breeding? Are they infertile or do they as species' even have genders?

If not, are they all created in a lab?

[ruby juniper]

are mercs made by the replicator too or did i misunderstood something?

[fringe marsh]

To my knowledge "mercs" aren't normal humans. Whether or not they're "replicated" idk.

[modern rover]

i dont think they are

mercs aren't mercs, they're referred to as gen 2

they basically are as close as they can get to humans

[ruby juniper]

i meant gen 2 basically

[fringe marsh]

I'm really curious if The Isle can create a believable "why?" for it all. Most media which involves bring back dinosaurs has a really bad "why?" for it all.

[ruby juniper]

most is just wE sOmEhoW gOT thEIr gEneS

by digging*

[oblique surge]

Possibly, the name Gen 2 already tells us they were made by AE
And the replicator was their life making god machine so it’d make sense

Unless the replicator seriously messes around with their genes
In that case they might not have used the replicator
(Maybe using it creates the tribals? They are called Gen 1 after all)

[fringe marsh]

I believe they wanted to create humans for some reason and tribals were the first failed attempt at it while mercs are the perfected form of it.

[oblique surge]

Yes
Gen 2 are apparently the best you can do without making a genetic abomination

[fringe marsh]

Idk why they wanted humans. Maybe they wanted to make cures for certain diseases or maybe they wanted to attempt to modify humans in order to them stronger, smarter or more resilient. (Hence strains)

Dunno why they made dinosaurs tho.

[oblique surge]

Making the perfect human could be AE’s ultimate objective
Hence why the strains enhance a creature’s capabilities, they’re an attempt to make us smarter, stronger etc

As for why dinos? That’s a tough one
Animal protection laws?
Something unique about dinos that makes them better subjects?
A way to avoid contaminating the rest of the planet?

[old stone]

Could be something along the lines of like, dinosaurs ruled the planet for like 160 million years so they had to have done something right

[oblique surge]

But why use extinct species?
Why not crocs, sharks hell maybe even birds?

[old stone]

Birds are technically dinosaurs

Also idk

[oblique surge]

Yes
That’s the point

Hey dondi
Send a gif to help us out here

[acoustic osprey]

All done by AE

[ruby juniper]

is that a yes?

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bKzRW.gif

You almost have it.

[severe raft]

[rustic halo]

If they’re trying to create the ideal body for humanity to be immortal in by just uploading themselves, maybe it has something to do with dinosaurs being like the longest lasting lineage. So they’re a great jumping off point to begin altering while also avoiding ethical issues. Then you have Gen 1 & 2 for testing the strains on peak “human” bodies with alterations based on what was observed in the dinosaurs

[cinder shoal]

Hmmm…
Is AE experimenting on dinos because there’s no animal protection laws for them? So they can abuse them as much as they want, like creating strains, without a government interfering. Then they can use that knowledge to achieve whatever their goal is?

[terse heart]

I mean you can't abuse something that's extinct, and its possible theres some sort of legal loop hole

I just thought they made dinos for rich twats to pouch for money

[cinder shoal]

Could also be that whatever laws they are under don’t consider the dinos as actual animals since they are created entirely in a lab

[oblique surge]

👁️ 👁️

all the animals we have are from the mesozoic, not dinosaurs specifically (ptera, deino, mega etc)
maybe the time they lived in had specific environmental conditions that required them to adapt, which makes them more interesting for AE's experiments

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bmL8h.gif

[lost tapir]

So if gateway is the island, is tartarus an island as well or is it a site or something?

[sharp knoll]

Tartarus is not an island, is more like a containment

[lost tapir]

So like a site then?

Is it for stains?

[sharp knoll]

Well kinda but for big stuff

Maybe

In Greek mythology Tartarus is a prison for titans so maybe it could be for strains

[lost tapir]

Ah

[sharp knoll]

But Tartarus is really really old so let's hope is not actually scrapped

[acoustic osprey]

"Lab rats? What!?
These aren't animals Sir, they're just genetic pieces of walking breathing goo"

Can't get in trouble if there are no laws against it obviously

Well, at least during AE's first attempts at it
Who knows if there are any laws against it during whenever "we get back" to Spiro and Gateway

Seeing as everything is older, weathered and run down. Time has passed.

[vocal violet]

I think May have found a new piece of lore

[acoustic osprey]

Hit it

[cinder shoal]

I mean… you can go outside and find a rat. You can’t go outside and find a trex. Like, under law it’s not considered a species of animal since it isn’t the real dinosaur, just some thing that looks like it. So under law, it is just a genetic piece of walking, breathing goo. Especially if they keep it hidden, so no new laws are made about that. But that’s my theory at least lol.

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, pretty much

to the eyes of the law, they're easy

It's just that it MUST give AE some benefits
Better than "Oh well, no laws"

Because you have to much such "Animals"

[cinder shoal]

could be to fool the government to thinking what they are doing is benign.

1 sec I got a meme to make

roughly explains my point lol

[pseudo fable]

Well, suppose that if official entities didn't recognize them as more than artificial life forms, they don't acknowledge protection or rights.

But if official entities did recognize them as more than an artificial life form, it's acknowledging something worse.

[acoustic osprey]

Interesting

[rustic halo]

So is Æ’s whole dinosaur shtick backed by any government entities
I would’ve thought they give the appearance of a large pharmaceutical or biomedical company to the public while keeping their stuff on the islands private

But if they’re worried about petty things like laws I’m guessing that some of what they’re doing is known to the world

[acoustic osprey]

Well, they seemed to have been a medicinal company of sorts

but who knows.
Govn/Govn entities could be on it too

[rustic nexus]

Well to make a sentient computer that literally replicates stuff and the amount of human structures on the island there has to be some type of government intervention

Not intervention involvement

[maiden sundial]

Well the stuff like forts could be supplied from a PMC. Its just AE got da monie

[terse heart]

ahh, so AE is government backed, and have plans to make super soldiers or weaponize dinosaurs or sell them to rich furries or something idk

[strange shell]

If the reason as to why AE made dinosaurs is "super weapons" I unbuy The Isle

[terse heart]

I feel like they will be used as horse replacements

[strange shell]

But that's stupid

Cars exist

[terse heart]

yes but a t-rex is cooler

[strange shell]

But also much more costly, more fragile, less efficient and a lot harder to control

[terse heart]

and if you replace T-rex with project car, you have them in a nutshell

[strange shell]

what ?

[terse heart]

exactly

[strange shell]

I don't understand what you meant

[terse heart]

exactly

[strange shell]

So you're talking nonsense on purpose ?

[terse heart]

imma be real with you chief, I made a small joke and you didn't get it, so I made another in hopes you'd understand and now were here

[strange shell]

Maybe I don't have the reference then

[void apex]

Alright, but then the creation of the dinosaurs is in the same line as the bad guys motivation in the JP novels

"An extinct animal has no rights"

[strange shell]

I still think that dinosaurs have some cool thing in their DNA or their bodies that is very useful for medicine

[terse heart]

anyway, even if the story is Dinosaurs as weapons, though that is a basic plot, basic stories can still be good if it has depth and is detailed

[void apex]

wouldn't explain the non dinosaur animals created

[strange shell]

It's not a bsaic plot it's a bad one. Because it makes no sense.

[void apex]

^^

dinosaurs are very much not bullet proof

[nocturne cosmos]

Yeah but how would they find out the dinos have this in their dna in the first place

[void apex]

they are probably expensive to make, hard as heck to train and near impossible to give missions to I'd guess

[strange shell]

Try things randomly until it does something interesting ? That's how most of science works

[void apex]

It's a basic plot in the same way that bleach is a basic skincare product.

[nocturne cosmos]

Yeah but dinosaurs?

That’s a bit of an odd one especially because it would be really hard to get proper dna of them

[strange shell]

Maybe it's a thing with every extinct species of a set period ? I'll try to find the old theory I wrote here abt that

[terse heart]

it could be more of a biological weapon, like they introduce them, an ecosystem, and then they destroy it but being engineered predators

doesn't have to be in direct conflict

[nocturne cosmos]

But why ?

[void apex]

The Megalania being as close to us as possible 💪

[strange shell]

Found it

[nocturne cosmos]

Why make dinosaurs to destroy an ecosystem when you can already do that with much cheaper methods

[void apex]

why not use something less noticable... like a plague?

[nocturne cosmos]

I mean really like you could introduce a single plant and mess up a ecosystem you don’t need dinos

[void apex]

^^

[strange shell]

Would destroying an ecosystem even help at all in a war ? And not provoke a ton of unwanted consequences ?

[nocturne cosmos]

Depends but you would get shut down pretty fast for that if you were purposely going around doing it

[terse heart]

kinda of just thinking out loud, I haven't though this through alot, as you can tell

[void apex]

Why would a biomedical company, which is directly stated not to be completely evil, introduce random animals to ecosystems across the world in war stuff?

It makes way more sense with Bubulblus idea

[strange shell]

I like Horizon Zero Dawn's reason as to why there are giant animal-like machines roaming around (game spoiler)
||There was a big man-made machine Hive that was intent on destroying every form of life on the planet, and proved to be pretty good at doing so. So a scientist decided to create a new ecosystem that would be strong enough to fight an endless steam of war-machines : more war machines. But these ones have animal instincts and can actually support an ecosystem||

[void apex]

but again, an extinct animal has no right. All our animals are reptiles, mostly large ones.

[nocturne cosmos]

Yeah but our dinos are all on a couple of islands not main lands

[strange shell]

It gives a good reason to implement creatures that would have absolutely no reason to be here in the first place

[void apex]

?

[strange shell]

But I doubt humanity is facing a mass extinction event in The Isle

[void apex]

To hide them from the public I'd guess

[nocturne cosmos]

Expect why make dinos when you could just make actual animals that were alive in our time

[void apex]

The same reason why animal test facilities are isolated far away from cities, noone wants to be close to that

[void apex]

because an extinct animal has no rights, extant animals do

[nocturne cosmos]

Like it would be much safer and better to recreate animals that have gone extinct in our time

But people would be all for that

[void apex]

Yes, but again, those could be argued for having rights as they have been alive in our time

however, something like a tyrannosaurus would not have that

[nocturne cosmos]

Expect that dose not matter

[void apex]

legally it probably would

[strange shell]

Maybe the replicator is like, very stupidly old and it can only replicate things that it saw before its own machine eyes

[nocturne cosmos]

Because in this theory the dinos are being made to create a ecosystem

[strange shell]

Hence the very wide selection of species time-wise but otherwise very narrow

[nocturne cosmos]

People would be fine with recreating extinct anaimls to but back into their proper habitats

A lot safer then dinos cheaper and more likely to work

[void apex]

but these animals are clearly not back in their proper habitats

there is no way these animals could survive on this island without humans maintaining it

[nocturne cosmos]

Yeah which is why them being made to create a new ecosystem if the human race is going extinct dose not make sense

[void apex]

wait what human race extinction?

[nocturne cosmos]

The zero dawn idea

[void apex]

???

[strange shell]

I said it was probably not the same for The Isle

[void apex]

oh that

[nocturne cosmos]

I’d assume if it was something similar it would be a virus or disease

I’d hope we don’t have too much sci-fi robot stuff

[strange shell]

We have sci-fi robot stuff

[nocturne cosmos]

Not too much yet I’d say a good amount

[void apex]

Alright but lets just give a list of semi facts we have:
-Apollo Engineering is a biomedical/bioengineering company
-They created the strains for medical reasons
-They have created some form of human (gen 1 and 2)
-They were active on the islands around the 1980's, 1990's ish
-In current times their security systems seem to be failing

they created the dinosaurs either to test strains or some other form of medical reason

or well, that's at least my theory about it.

Why dinosaurs of all things? No clue.

[nocturne cosmos]

I’d think it be funny if the only reason they used dinos is because some top guy just likes them

[void apex]

It'd be funny indeed

although it'd also feel cheap if that was the actual reason

[strange shell]

And Echidna is a carrier

[nocturne cosmos]

Yeah no real reason Jim just likes em

[strange shell]

Hey wait

[void apex]

whatever that means

carrier of a disease maybe???

[strange shell]

What if they didn't create, but rather FOUND Echidna, the Colossus and the Reaper ?

[nocturne cosmos]

Would make much more sense

[void apex]

Old lore suggested AE created the colossus, although that's old lore

honestly, we need much more information to make any assumptions

[nocturne cosmos]

Maybe they created based of save paintings they saw?

Perhaps that’s why they use dinosaurs because echidna and that were all alive back then

And anything they have might have also existed back then

[void apex]

but why is the Echidna acting affectionately against the gen 1 rather than the normal humans?

[strange shell]

Ok this took too much time to make

[void apex]

very beautiful

honestly though, if it IS a disease that the Echidna carry, could that explain why the Gen1 turned to worship?

[strange shell]

Maybe
Like a brain-affecting virus

The Isle is a zombie game confirmed

[void apex]

I mean

we don't know if the tribals were created to look how they do

or if they became that way due to the echidna

[strange shell]

We don't have a confirmed look for the tribals yet

[void apex]

Reading up on the mythological Echidna doesn't explain much...

[strange shell]

What about the irl echidna ?

[void apex]

the.... egg laying mammal?

[strange shell]

Yep

Echidna carries eggs

[void apex]

But I don't think it comes from that

it would make very little sense

We got Apollo, Tartarus and all that

Having another mythological greek name makes more sense than the funky marsupial

[nocturne cosmos]

I mean if you go off the mythological one then that would make her the mother of monsters which I guess you could call that gen

[void apex]

She has been called the mother of all tribals

tribals are kinda monsterous

[nocturne cosmos]

Could simply be they used some of her dna in making them

Or she actually made them herself

[void apex]

but she shows a motherly bond with them

They "turned" to worship, not that they were created by her

the tribals are Gen1

the "mercs" are Gen2

[nocturne cosmos]

That or perhaps they remind her of something in the past if we go with the idea they wasn’t made by the company

[void apex]

The Echidna is some form of Neurotonic entity. Something known to mess with others minds, almost magically.

[void apex]

Hmmm, that'd make some sense

but if she is indeed an ancient, immortal being... which would be in line with the description of the greek echidna... then, that would mean that Neurotonic is also just as ancient if not more ancient

do we bet that the Colossus is named after the Colossus of rhodes then?

because there aint much else from greek mythology called the Colossus

the real question is why are they all so humanoid?

or well, at least the colossus and echidna

[strange shell]

Humans are actually aliens

Or convergent evolution

Or they can change shape

[void apex]

well convergent evolution only works so far

long arms, long legs

and human shaped torso

with human ribs and overall human looking musculature

A bit more ape-like, while having a lot of reptilian traits

5 fingers

primate ribs and musculature

proportionally quite small head

very short tail

while this design isn't cannon anymore, you can still see the similarity of it and a human

[strange shell]

Maybe primates but not human ?

[void apex]

My headcannon as of now is that the colossus is a H-strain activiated tribal

tribals, potentially having more gorilla-like proportions

the colossus having very exaggerated features of that too

The echidna can only really be human

like, look at it

that's a goofy tentacle human with long arms

you could put a person in a costume and they'd look the same

the reaper design isn't cannon anymore but you see it has similar features to the colossus

and echidna too in that way

[strange shell]

Yeah true

[void apex]

incredibly long arms, overall humanoid shape, same rib structure

you'd think that these'd look a lot different if they came from millions of years ago

[strange shell]

Or it's like Gurren Lagann
The human form is the ultimate form for channeling spiral energy

[void apex]

spiral energy?

[strange shell]

magic

[void apex]

oh

nah

there doesn't seem to be any magic in the isle

except whatever the heck the neurotonics do

[strange shell]

Well when I say magic it's a shortcut

In Gurren Lagann Spiral Energy is contained in DNA and is basically an infinite source of energy, and what makes life possible in the universe
It was just a comparison anyway

[void apex]

hmm

I feel like it just makes more sense for them to just be... humans?

or at least something close to it

something that used to be human?

Ya know?

[strange shell]

That is honestly the most probable thing

But who knows really ? Gods were there before humans yet they look like humans

Except egyptian gods (those freaks)

[void apex]

that's because generally in mythology gods created humans in their image

Be it christianity, be it hinduism. All religions have had a somewhat similar human creation story

myths are based on how humans make up their mind on how the world looks around them

and having a brain, and being proud, makes us think that everything revolves around us

I mean, we are unique in our intelligence.

So we try to make sense of it

usually by thinking about some otherwordly power, which looks like us and thinks like us

that created us

but I am going offtopic

[strange shell]

Yeah but right now we're still talking about superhuman creatures with otherwordly powers

Although I understand these theories are getting a bit far

[void apex]

yes, but with traits we can create ourselves

AE created the strain dinosaurs

or at least activated the strains within them

who says that we couldn't do that on a humanoid animal?

[strange shell]

In the end lore's just gonna be Don saying "well AE made dinos because I think dinos are cool"

[cinder shoal]

Don basically said above a main reason is that the Dinos have no rights, thus AE can do whatever experiments they want.
(This is the message):

Well, suppose that if official entities didn't recognize them as more than artificial life forms, they don't acknowledge protection or rights.

But if official entities did recognize them as more than an artificial life form, it's acknowledging something worse.

[edgy pike]

Seeing as primal carnage isn’t canon anymore we don’t actually know how the DNA was gathered. It used to be from PC lore that fossils from museums were raided to use, but now it could be literally anything

Maybe the animals are entirely “designed” by the Replicator or something? Or there’s a lot of gap filling involved and modifications to make the animals suit their modern island ecosystem (for testing convenience maybe)

~~ also a get out of jail free card for the design styles of the animals varying a fair bit ~~

But the less “real” the dinosaur is, the less it can be viewed as a real animal with rights

[old stone]

My theory is that they just took modern day animals and modified them or used their DNA until they created things that are physically extremely similar to the dinosaurs of old, because logically any dinosaur DNA from the Mesozoic would be long decayed by the modern day

[upper axle]

9s this thing in the isle ?

is*

well

planned

[strange shell]

yes

[upper axle]

is it gonna be free ?

[strange shell]

Bro you already bought the game

[upper axle]

i dont even have the game my guy

im just here

mostly because im on mac

unless this is on mac and im stupid

[strange shell]

I don't know if The Isle is on mac
You could ask in #isle-discussion

[upper axle]

a gift for your cooperation

[strange shell]

appreciated

[rustic nexus]

King kongzilla

[rustic nexus]

I think the jurassic world evolution route would actually be fitting, just a bunch of dig site team’s collecting fossils and other dna

They have docks, hangars, and a helicopter landing pad I wouldn’t consider it too outlandish if they go to mainland sources to make their assets

[edgy pike]

There was one thing I remember seeing in here ages ago when the Hope trailer came out about temporal RNA stuff and some comment Dondi made about it

But again that’s pre-lore wipe so no telling if it’s still a thing unless he says it himself

[shell remnant]

it isn't

[nova tinsel]

so someone mentioned this a while ago and i want to know if it's confirmed or just speculation... are the dinosaurs really just people in robot suits?

[sonic rampart]

No

[acoustic osprey]

With how monstrous Gen 1 is, I say this and the other human strains are too

[acoustic osprey]

Even in Transmissions.
You could say well AE kept on making Gen 1, so clearly they knew what they were doing with G1
But? Anything could've happened with Gen 1 after AE left and before AE "arrived" back (if they left at all)

[acoustic osprey]

And for right now, they have been actively surveying the islands.

[icy onyx]

Maybe with the static security camera maybe the robo quetz was nearby since maybe the radiation was interfering with it?

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-kang-kang-the-conqueror-i-will-see-you-soon-gif-22363049

Gateway has always been there
We just never cared till we realised

Although, Gateway just has a really normal word as a name

Especially for something like dinosaurs

So, I wonder how many times something we didn't realise was actually referring to Gateway itself

[icy onyx]

Sector H4

[acoustic osprey]

however, that's AE-012

Also refers to B443

funnily enough

[icy onyx]

and I-04

[acoustic osprey]

Site I-04
and Sector H4

And K15

I remember talking to Dalt about H4
Who knows if it'll exist (and I-04)
but I wouldn't say I-04 would exist

Different numbering system

[upper axle]

is the isle literally just jurassic park but a little more accurate

[meager junco]

Nah I definitely think that the isle is more deep when it comes to the actual story/lore , especially compared to recent Jurassic Movies. Just wish we knew a bit more but that will come in time.

[oblique surge]

if anything its less accurate since AE is changing the animals so they fit better in the island

[icy onyx]

Someone’s getting fired

[light flare]

"Network integrity compromised, Profile connection lost"
Is this new stuff? First mention of Profiles since old lore.

My understanding of Profiles is that they're some kind of stored personality data, neural scan, or potentially both. They may be the reason player dinosaurs display sapience and critical thinking skills.

[acoustic osprey]

Old

Back before Gateway

[light flare]

Ah, I got too excited too fast then.

[acoustic osprey]

A loading screen
I believe it's rehashed from legacy

Because Evrima reuses a lot of old Evrima mp4s

[light flare]

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

I believe that'll change with ui getting updated

[upper axle]

unpronated wrists

[sage cedar]

Yes

[icy onyx]

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
I mean, it depends.

I presume externally? Some stuff could be accurate

Look at Minmi. Technically it's not a minmi in design etc. But kunbarrasaurus. Which was known a minmi still in the 90s

But internally? I presume heavily changed to fit with the climate etc

[icy onyx]

I think the type N and type T are related due to a lot of concepts I see from tapwing (mainly the tisso dilo and tisso carno) looking similar to the type N Rex concept by tapwing

[acoustic osprey]

A lot of them are unofficial

[light flare]

Some of tapwing's stuff is from before tap got hired officially, like the Matriarch

[acoustic osprey]

^
Especially a lot of Neuros and Tisso stuff

[rustic nexus]

When did tap get hired

[light flare]

I don't know for sure, but a little searching points me to some time around May of 2018.

[icy onyx]

Tisso dilo was in 2021

Tisso carno 2020

[acoustic osprey]

Tisso Dilo was 17

Tisso Carno was 16

[light flare]

The good news is that Dondi did do a little tease after hiring Tapwing and mentioned that anything Tap drew COULD be canon after the fact.

[acoustic osprey]

(Like Drone Quetz)

[rustic nexus]

Lets go

[acoustic osprey]

Which is why I love seeing drone quetz in isle

[rustic nexus]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

Wonder if a tree will defeat it

Works with all drones

[light flare]

By the sound of things more than one plant can defeat such things. Did you ever see that concept art of a huge carnivorous flower?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/5/55/Giant_trap.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200208131745

[sharp knoll]

Those are official concepts, will we still ever see this?... We'll see

[lethal tendon]

thie 1st one looks so good and is my favourite. i hope it gets in the game

[sharp knoll]

If it's still a cannon...

[light flare]

Is that so? It's listed on the wiki as Levia Draconia's. 🤔

[muted hill]

the 1st isnt fan made just very old

[sharp knoll]

It's from DeviantArt iirc

[muted hill]

yes she used to list it on her deviant art but its official

[sharp knoll]

Hold on I'm messing a little bit

[sharp knoll]

Yep it is my bad

[muted hill]

np, its not always clear what is and isnt with older stuff

[sharp knoll]

I remember that just can't remember by who actually

But yeah she also made that very old concept rex, galli, austro tamed by tribals

[light flare]

love the idea of tribals using local flora as traps against incursion by dinos and Gen 2. Reminds me of how I felt about Plant Species X in ARK until I realized jackasses line ridges with them to instantly kill anyone mounted on Pteras

[sharp knoll]

lol

[short falcon]

Didn’t dondi say Ben is canon

The dilo dog

[rustic halo]

Dilo dog ≠ Ben

But yes Ben is canon

[acoustic osprey]

Yes but no

[edgy pike]

I bet he’ll just be sat in an abandoned vat tank

[icy onyx]

No I was on there DeviantArt, I saw the time stamps

[acoustic osprey]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.deviantart.com/tapwing/art/Tissoplastic-carnotaurus-650730809

[icy onyx]

Oh, the one I saw is from 2020?

[rustic urchin]

Any idea what era this computer/other tech is from?

90s I’m thinking?

[acoustic osprey]

90s monitor on the left

Definite CRT

[acoustic osprey]

wonder if the paper have meaning
and if that is a safe on the bottom left

no

No it's definitely not

Literally a drawer right next to the comms

[icy onyx]

Gif lore

jk

Anywho hope you're doing okay lightclaw

[acoustic osprey]

yes

thank you Dmg

you too

[pseudo fable]

@acoustic osprey I've spent enough time staring at documents and cases I wish I knew nothing about that if you don't love this lore style and attempt I make I'm going to be incredibly sad.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/highfive-hyped-pumped-excited-good-job-gif-15272537

[pseudo fable]

I wish there was the one from NOPE.

[pseudo fable]

Hahahaha how'd you find it!

[acoustic osprey]

[pseudo fable]

What makes it worse is I'm no writer.

https://tenor.com/wPnT.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, the learning experience is always good.

even if the writing in any way is poor/lacking

still, excited to see what's been done

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-movie-nope-bike-ride-gif-26496101

[pseudo fable]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SecretQuickIberianmidwifetoad-mobile.mp4

Found the proper one.

[chrome acorn]

The paper might have something to do with the radio it’s under

[rustic urchin]

Plot twist: it’s an instruction manual because none of us have any idea how to use a 1990s radio communicator

[rustic nexus]

Unless we do, think about it lore wise how does gen 2 know how to do all this stuff unless they’re given information in their creation process

[strange shell]

They could keep memory of their past lives

[rustic nexus]

Thats what i mean

Like you get all the info you can to your profile

You die possibly before you can learn everything and your profile gets uploaded to another body

[strange shell]

yes

[rustic nexus]

THOUSAND LIFE CONTRACT

[strange shell]

yes

[rustic nexus]

WE’VE CRACKED THE CODE

[strange shell]

not for the first time

[rustic nexus]

I hope pls dondi giv lore

[rustic nexus]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-very-nice-willem-dafoe-donald-kimball-american-psycho-thats-great-gif-18161337

[acoustic osprey]

I presume there will be many papers
Just like your usual game from the 2010s

[light flare]

"I'm no writer" he says.

You are now

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-bcs-best-decision-gif-26287112

[rustic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[rustic halo]

Dondi writing the Chip88898 x @calm vale love arc

[pseudo fable]

I can't tell if the fire is good fire or dumpster fire.

[rustic urchin]

It’s supposed to be good fire

[chrome acorn]

so good it’s fire

[rustic urchin]

Fire=good

Tyranic theme

[hollow sinew]

I don’t know if this is already well known by most people or not but I noticed this at the end of the Isle’s Hope trailer and thought it was interesting 👀 the first picture says “For a Better Tomorrow” and the second one says “Phoenix” which is believed by many isle theorists to be the rival company to AE

[rustic halo]

Not canon anymore, Dondi scrapped PC connection

[hollow sinew]

And then here is a slow motion video of it playing out at the end of the trailer

[hollow sinew]

Aw dang it! 😅

Lol well then ignore that whole thing then >_<

[rustic urchin]

Yea primal carnage seems to be decanonized

Or at least magnas are

Which is kinda sad but part of me is relieved because primal and the isle have way different themes

[chrome acorn]

cryo

[rustic urchin]

Also since weaponized dinos we’re the core thing for Phoenix international iirc

[acoustic osprey]

Not even seems
Just is, sadly, confirmed

[acoustic osprey]

late to the photo, but yeah.
Sadly gone.
But allows Don, lore, to explore different possibilities without being limited to PC/PI

[icy onyx]

Sweet Jesus

[hexed flax]

Punch confirmed that there is no arid region in gateway

[acoustic osprey]

sadly

[mystic rivet]

that couldve been cool espicially for migration moving to watering holes and such

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[slow delta]

So dondi made this whole fuss about making the original PC canon, added all those hints and title screens and then suddenly said it's no longer canon without giving us any new lore stuff. Nice...

[cinder atlas]

This is honestly why I preferred the separation, personally.

I do respect the other side of the coin, but I feel like the potential is there when freed from any sort of tape to be something better/greater by no small margin.

Now to just bide time as things come together.

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-4076853

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much

more creative freedom
Although, obviously, Don might not have needed to stick with PC's lore with PI
but, with doing so you cause easy arguments and confusion throughout both communities that could be easily removed by just saying "PI =/= Isle"

[edgy pike]

What was that rocky area with the yellowish grass then

[hexed flax]

Different map

[sage cedar]

Highlands

[edgy pike]

~~ and now we have to wait for spiro remake for arid biome ~~

[sage cedar]

No it’s the same

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/UG1G.gif

[edgy pike]

3rd map????

[hexed flax]

The pictures we have from the arid area/map is a whole new map. Punch said so

[sage cedar]

This is the highlands in gateway

[hexed flax]

Gateway doesn't have arid areas

[edgy pike]

Ye that’s what I meant

[sage cedar]

Oh really, where did he say that?

[slow delta]

yeah but at this point you have reset the lore twice (once with evrima and now with the PC decanonification). And you even killed our beloved olympus transmitter

[edgy pike]

We have Tartarus back and some other things still

[slow delta]

yes but we still dont know what tartarus is

[edgy pike]

~~ we don’t really know what anything is now 💀 ~~

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[acoustic osprey]

sadly the life of an alpha game with some sort of lore

[acoustic osprey]

Not to say we didn't have lore beforehand.
But the devs haven't been prioritising lore from the get-go for Evrima

[sage cedar]

Yeah but isn’t highlands and arid two different biomes

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, technically Arid would be desert-esque

[edgy pike]

Next lore thing we’ll get is probably gonna be those papers in human structures

[sage cedar]

[acoustic osprey]

Highlands' grass is just dead grass

[hexed flax]

The picture that you posted is arid and not highlands

[acoustic osprey]

no it's highlands

[sage cedar]

It’s highlands

I think it was even leaked that a highlands biome wil be in gateway but now I’m not sure

[edgy pike]

Well whatever it is more biomes is nice

[acoustic osprey]

at least, we know Highlands were in Isle/Gateway files
Thanks to Reddit

[slow delta]

they should release a visual or audio morse code message that has been converted between hex and binary 20 times so that we have something to decode for days

[acoustic osprey]

translated from Polish to Spanish times 20 back to English

[slow delta]

give us a message in chinese in a jpg so we have to manually enter every symbol in google translate

[acoustic osprey]

That'd be very fun

[slow delta]

:pain: painful lore > no lore

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/boris-johnson-thumbs-up-good-job-great-gif-15760551

Pretty much
No pain = No Lore

[slow delta]

no lore makes me bore

[acoustic osprey]

Very true

no lore means The Isle is just An Island

[slow delta]

part of me wants to dig through the files of the recent update for lore sauce but another part of me knows ill just be disappointed

[acoustic osprey]

[edgy pike]

Suffering

[acoustic osprey]

You know the answer

However, I do believe we might see some lore in the following update(s)

[acoustic osprey]

(We've, at least, seen a very similar mountain structure. Which may just be similar environment assets)

but a dam and a "pathway" might allude to this being on Gateway or something else

Although I guess that's not really much

[sage cedar]

A dam would be pretty sick

[mystic rivet]

ur right

sure would be a shame if it turned into a cesspit of mixpacking herbis

[sage cedar]

[acoustic osprey]

dam right

[sage cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/got-dam-gif-26287696

[chrome acorn]

Here’s hoping a blueprint for a sci fi weapon comes soon so we can get more lore tid bits to fuss over

[rustic urchin]

At this point I’m about to do it myself

Too much dino fanart not enough anti hyper gun fanart

[ocean sedge]

[acoustic osprey]

I wonder how "sci fi" we're going

Realistic sci fi?
Or
Unrealistic sci fi?

(sci fi without limits)

[chrome acorn]

i would guess realistic ish

as realistic as you can be to create a gun that kills mutant hulk Dino’s at least

[light flare]

I'm not sure I'd qualify Hyperendocrine Colossus as "realistic"

[light flare]

then again, whatever was achieved by the corporation was groundbreaking at some point in the past and we don't exactly know how long it's been cut off from the rest of civilization

if that energy shield around the game area is actually something canonical imagine how advanced the tech outside could be

[oblique surge]

what would you consider to be realistic sci fi?

[acoustic osprey]

Not realism

There is a difference in realism and sci fi realism

Where is the sci fi is properly limited and boxed in a realistic "sci fi" font

Where as unrealistic sci fi would be your average sci fi game where they don't limit the possibilities of stuff

[acoustic osprey]

An example would be star trek and the older star wars movies

[void apex]

if it is established that X does Y, then that is sci-fi realism
However if it is not fully established what X does, and it can do a little bit of whatever, then it is unrealistic sci fi

[acoustic osprey]

I believe Dondi, however, is more on the realistic sci fi side

[void apex]

basically the conflicts drives what is, and isn't possible

in unrealistic sci fi

[acoustic osprey]

He has, before, stated he wants to basically have an explanation of everything added.

Eg. Why the Afterthought Easter egg is likely going to be removed soon

[void apex]

employees caught feeding the animals will be fed to the dinosaurs

[oblique surge]

I'd consider the isle to be realistic sci fi then
as far as I'm aware everything in game and lore has some kind of believable science behind it or something like that
I dont remember anything happening just because or stuff like that

[void apex]

I do wonder where the replicator gets its material from, unless AE just has a craptonne of barrels of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, phosphorous, sodium, sulfur and all the other fun stuff

which... it probably does have

but I wonder if it has to create an embryo or if it can fully craft organic matter into living beings

[chrome acorn]

you said carbon twice

[void apex]

the body requires a lot of carbon I guess

[chrome acorn]

super carbon

[void apex]

carbon squared

[chrome acorn]

Carbon fiber

[void apex]

nanotubes 💪

randomly the strongest carbon structure

[chrome acorn]

Oo

what’s it for

[oblique surge]

I imagine it is either capable of doing both and AE coded it to make the dinos from embryos and Gen 1 and 2 adults from scratch
or it goes the embryo route and just keeps Gen 1 and 2 until they're fully developed because otherwise they wouldn't survive, could also be hard coded to do that

[acoustic osprey]

Besides the Afterthought Easter egg and the shipping cargo man

[chrome acorn]

the mother

[oblique surge]

oh yeah those too

[acoustic osprey]

Not real lore

[void apex]

that's what dondi wants you to think

[acoustic osprey]

True

I do not believe The Replicator made Gen 1 and 2

As we know, names mean things throughout The Isle

[oblique surge]

oh yeah that's also a possibility

[acoustic osprey]

We can definitely say Gen 2 =/= Replicator

Gen 1? Likely enhanced/modified through The Replicator literally Replicating them

Maybe even how the Eyeless were made

Gladly we know we won't have to self-sacrifice ourselves

[oblique surge]

even if the replicator did't originally make them do you think it can replicate (pun intended) them?
cuz I don't really see how else we'd be getting new Gen 1s and 2s in the island

[acoustic osprey]

New Gen 1 and 2?

[oblique surge]

like
new individuals

basically us popping into the game

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator, by it's name, most likely replicates Gen 1 for "rewards"

As we know there will be a sacrifice system

[oblique surge]

respawning after dying

[acoustic osprey]

But Gen 2? Sent by AE

We know AE loves surveying their islands
Make sense to keep on sending out Gen 2

[oblique surge]

oh yeah that makes more sense than the Replicator making "normal" humans

[chrome acorn]

it’s like a trap

[oblique surge]

I wonder what AE is hoping to achieve by sending basically butt naked people into a death island tho
wouldn't a large team/army of professionals be better if they want to recover data, get the replicator off etc?

[acoustic osprey]

We'll have to find out

[light flare]

They probably don't intend on letting witnesses go.

Army of mercs can fight back, can escape

but then maybe we're a sytem error or someone hacked into the computer systems to turn on whatever makes Gen 2s

[acoustic osprey]

Well, AE pretty much made them

[light flare]

Aye, but that doesn't necessarily mean the ones we play were manufactured on their order.

[acoustic osprey]

We do have some idea that AE were playing God

Knowing they made Strains
I don't suppose making a human is too hard

[light flare]

Wouldn't it be funny if the tools they made to play god decided to cut out the middle man.

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[wicked vine]

Jurassic park if precautionary measures were taken. Nuff said.

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-nedry-laughing-hysterically-jurassic-park-gif-14298929

[cinder shoal]

Except the island is still overrun with dinosaurs…

[wicked vine]

nature reserve island.

[ruby widget]

and the humans are still well in control, isn't total anarchy

[wicked vine]

exactly

[sharp island]

Vaguely crack-ish theory. But maybe there’ll be a location called Dum to go along with Isla Spero and Isla Spiro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_spiro_spero

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

I believe it's mostly a reference to the Hope. trailer

[acoustic osprey]

At least, heavily monitored by AE

[green crater]

You guys talking bout zom-me-boy?

[acoustic osprey]

No

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-reverse-smile-omni-man-nolan-grayson-angry-angry-omniman-invincible-angry-gif-22127009

[green crater]

Too bad

[acoustic osprey]

"Me on my way to work"

[green crater]

"Go play with the neighbors kid"
Neighbors kid:

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[sage cedar]

That place looked “new” wonder if it’s in gateway

[acoustic osprey]

likely

[icy onyx]

how do i get on the stredt test?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion

[rustic nexus]

Yk I’ve thought about something

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[rustic nexus]

What if we could contact the replicator through the pc thing

I mean radio

[acoustic osprey]

More so VoIP stuff

But Replicator? Who knows

[hexed flax]

Reminds me of that one Primal episode

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/big-gun-bring-the-big-guns-fire-ready-im-ready-hildryn-gif-14323101

[rustic nexus]

Whats that

[acoustic osprey]

Voice over internet protocol

Voice chat/radio/proxy

[rustic nexus]

Ohhhh

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bnh5e.gif

[acoustic osprey]

lol

The Isle: A Beautiful Utopian Society

[sage cedar]

Utopia??!

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-utopia-uk-utopia-lee-paul-ready-gif-24425273

[acoustic osprey]

Utopians are often masked as Dystopians. They are only "Utopian" if you're in the 1%

[sage cedar]

Interesting, I was also referring to the utopia tv series (the UK one)

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[sage cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-utopia-uk-utopia-lee-paul-ready-gif-24425270

[acoustic osprey]

the idea of "cutting off the middle man"
and only having "Upper" and "lower" is an interesting aspect for any lore/story piece

[pseudo fable]

I have no idea what that even implies.

[acoustic osprey]

However, I'd doubt we'd get anything near pure-dystopian

but playing God is fun

[severe raft]

What is it with this middle man stuff? Is it like a combination between the cannibals and the mercs?

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on how you look at it.
Intermediary between two parties
A "middle-class" person

Or just a person in the middle of something

Nothing lore-related
I believe Dondi was on about playing God

because, AE sure do love playing God

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/4Gr3.gif

[rustic nexus]

Sus

[severe raft]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-fly-uh-um-well-i-dont-know-what-to-say-gif-4132049

[acoustic osprey]

Guess AE is paying Replicator to do everything for it till it realises it's honestly not worth its time and you should just do whatever you want to do and ignore AE

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bInzQ.gif

[pseudo fable]

Are you all expecting some beakers and mad scientist stuff before it all goes terminator? lol.

[acoustic osprey]

At times, sci-fi stuff like that can really be quite cliche
Staying away from the melodrama side of sci-fi storytelling/worldbuilding is cool.

[pseudo fable]

Really? I'd think people would want considerable cause for considerable violence.

https://tenor.com/xHDA.gif

Guess I can just stick to "And it wharbled spooky sounds and we expressed our concern with bullets."

(Although I do have some more straightforward ones that have humor, not scares.)

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, does sound a bit dull

[rustic nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-wave-penguins-of-madagascar-penguins-subtle-gif-5088214

[acoustic osprey]

I guess a some good ol' violence doesn't hurt anybody

[pseudo fable]

Well, you can only write someone being eaten so many times before it's uninteresting. It also is more problematic considering if you have no attachment it means nothing.

It's why most of the lore has nothing to do with people dying.

[acoustic osprey]

That's good, honestly, listening to X amount of people dying over and over again is just a boring way to write and incorporate deaths into a story.
||Obviously without the right amount of connection to it||

And it's good to hear a good portion of it has nothing to do with actual death. I tip my hat, if I had one on

[pseudo fable]

I can give you a framework.

[acoustic osprey]

oh nice

[pseudo fable]

I'm writing anomalous incident reports, which is just my fun way of talking about dinosaur abilities in the narrative setting. Most of it is spent humanizing people that aren't relevant to multiplayer just so you want to read.

The vast majority of the troodon's takes place with audio transcripts of interviews and snippets of personal journals over a short, but unspecified amount of time. So you'll get what people think they saw at the time and they wrote down vs what they recall much later when audio interviews occurred. There's also specific notes jotted down amongst the scrabble of factual information that's cross-referenced with island utilities such as cameras or when biotracing is created, so you can be like "Dohoho it wasn't an error! " instead of left completely wondering.

I haven't had characters spring up across multiple reports.

[acoustic osprey]

[pseudo fable]

Oops, edit coming.

[acoustic osprey]

Oh lol

[pseudo fable]

There we go.

[acoustic osprey]

oh nice, that's really nice

Reminds me, loosely, to the Arkham Asylum tapes
Just a nice little way to introduce and detail stuff- stuff you didn't really need to care about, but just really nice and adding to the character itself (in this case, sort of adding detail to the Troodon, etc)

These anomalous incident reports sound like a good idea.

I presume these are mostly just written stuff and nothing really auditory

Unlike the Arkham tapes

[pseudo fable]

Nothing auditory.

[acoustic osprey]

Still nice.
Love a good read

[pseudo fable]

I've narrated some directorate stuff but I'll probably pass that off to much better VO's.

Same with the AI.

[acoustic osprey]

ah yeah

Can't wait to see all of it or any of it, if nothing happens

[pseudo fable]

Though I have considered keeping the AI since it's unnerved everyone on the team that's heard it.

[acoustic osprey]

[pseudo fable]

(Only because the voice is female and you cannot tell it is me.)

[acoustic osprey]

lol

Unnerving sounds enticing

[modern rover]

gives me SCP vibes, especially the "anomalous incident reports", except in this case, the writing quality and style is actually consistent because it's actually one person writing it rather than a bunch of unnamed individuals

always loved audio interview transcripts of someone who's trying to recall repressed trauma, or the scribblings of a terrified survivor describing something he should never have seen, so excited to see how this turns out

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[rustic nexus]

Tbh i dont think there is nothing wrong with it

Just the way the story is told that can really make it unique

[pseudo fable]

Yay for consistency. ||Unless I suck.||

[rustic nexus]

The way i see it, you can make a jp like story but still be unique by the way you tell it

[long onyx]

god i cant wait to explore the lore of gateway

[rustic halo]

So the replicator speaks?

[rustic nexus]

Basically a sentient alexa

[digital pulsar]

Hmm, imagine type-H hypsi... Or matriarch hypsi, the nightmare of tier 1-2 dinos

[hexed flax]

I wonder if the players will be the ones who do the eating part

[light flare]

Hooray for exposition

[tribal osprey]

Consistency is literally #1 important aspect to take into consideration when it comes to lore building. If you want the lore to feel and be alive, you cannot make its lungs out of metal when its heart is made of flesh.

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bnqr0.gif

[fringe marsh]

"you cannot make its lungs out of metal when its heart is made of flesh." Goes harder than it should.

[mystic rivet]

Rethinking my life cuz of that

[tribal osprey]

Hold on hold on I discovered why I'm in my 4th year studying philosophy to get a seemingly useless degree! It was this the whole time, to help with the philosophical foundation of the isle lore

https://tenor.com/view/loki-glorious-purpose-finally-i-have-found-gif-22363815

[strange shell]

Robocop be like :

Wait I think his lungs are made of flesh too, mb

[acoustic osprey]

You want to build connections to the characters you watch

There is a difference in seeing Robb Stark die and a random soldier die

In a story. Even if it's short. Build those connections, allow your audience to build a sense of reliability

Also, desensitization

One of the biggest and hardest things to defeat in a horror story

Don't want people getting use to something like that
If you keep it low, shock factor stays higher

That's one thing I hope Don can try to avoid. At least he's staying away from constant deaths

[acoustic osprey]

(unless your story is based off the satire of consistency)

[strange shell]

Honestly, a horror plot without people dying (too much) is rare enough that it would be interesting to see

[pseudo fable]

Much like zombies there's a moment "where the city falls" type of deal.

But again, these are hard to explain how they're tied to each other. 😦

[rustic nexus]

Fair

[rustic halo]

Assuming this has something to do with AE abandoning the island?

[chrome acorn]

or the replicator gains control

[void apex]

an apocalypse scenario then?

[pseudo fable]

Yeah, that's my point. It's hard to describe because it's not "and then dinosaurs take over the earth"

[void apex]

shirt hits the fan, rather than death to all

[pseudo fable]

Or even "dinosaurs stand a fighting chance against anything with a gun"

[void apex]

I do hope you give us some more crumbs to follow soon, unless there is something you've already given us that we're just missing.

because it kinda feels like we've gotten as far as we can with the material we have, especially when all material isn't accurate anymore

[rustic halo]

Isn't there massive apocalyptic stuff other than dinosaurs like the old island walker thingies

[void apex]

oh I forgot the island walkers existed

[verbal epoch]

Would anyone be able to educate me on what these are? I'm not in the know on isle lore.

[void apex]

do you know about the giant skeleton in titan lake in V3 legacy?

[verbal epoch]

Yup. I remember that. It was originally on land, correct?

[void apex]

Yes

that is an island walker, or... well... was an island walker

we have no clue what they look like other than that

we don't even know if they are canon anymore

[verbal epoch]

I see. I just thought it was an over sized sauropod skeleton.

[void apex]

nah, the thing is taller than pue by a long shot

I do kinda hope they push down the scale of them

[verbal epoch]

If they were to add them in game?

[void apex]

since a 130 meter tall... thing... feels a bit too much

[void apex]

lorewise too

[verbal epoch]

Indeed that would probably be better.

[void apex]

It seems like the island walkers would pull the power balance closer

humans are absolutely dominating, with high tech military equipment and being able to create artificial life

however, something which would be sizable compared to an aircraft carrier would put the powerbalance more evenly

however for the humans on the island while playing, the power balance is actually flipped

it'd kinda mess with the whole man vs nature thing going on

[verbal epoch]

I wounder how humans will fair against dinosaurs, as it shows them getting destroyed in the concept art despite their weapons.

[acoustic osprey]

It's definitely a hard aspect to hit

Sadly you can't just not include deaths
Etc

It's definitely about hitting the right mark
Which is really hard. Gladly you have your team for initial reactions and other ways

[void apex]

like, here we have my beautiful comparison

[verbal epoch]

10/10.

[void apex]

so far we haven't seen a dinosaur get shot, that's all I am saying

[acoustic osprey]

Yet

[void apex]

hence why I said so far lightclaw

[pseudo fable]

In lore, heli is used to move rex around.

[acoustic osprey]

[void apex]

time to clickbait this as helicoprion being confirmed!!!!

[pseudo fable]

Hurrr.

No. It's afraid of them.

[acoustic osprey]

Nice

[void apex]

also, is rex transported in the cage?

[pseudo fable]

Piece of lore describes a vehicle getting absolutely demolished just because a rex startled itself smelling it and kicked it out of reaction while trying to move back.

Completely annihilates a cab.

[void apex]

the cage

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

Almost as good as The Bridge

[sonic rampart]

Oh I love that

[void apex]

The Bridge

[acoustic osprey]

[sonic rampart]

I could spend days reading about Isle animals just doing animal things

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, that cage just needs to fit the design style of Evrima AE and it'd be perfect

[acoustic osprey]

Hence why I'm glad Don has been putting down stuff like that

Will read everything
Over and over again

And no one will stop me

[void apex]

I am going to stop you

[rustic nexus]

Didnt there used to be this one concept art of this huge ship used to carry around hypos

[acoustic osprey]

NOOOO

[acoustic osprey]

There is a nice looking cargo ship in a new dock concept

[verbal epoch]

Are hypos on Evrima? I haven't found anything on them.

[rustic nexus]

Oh

[void apex]

they will exist

eventually

[acoustic osprey]

Aye, all strains

[rustic nexus]

Oh no I forgot to turn off ping im dead

[void apex]

Neurotonic my beloved

[acoustic osprey]

Excluding Magna
That is now O

[void apex]

dw, dondi is chill

[acoustic osprey]

Neurotenic mastermind

[void apex]

The Echidna

Mother of all monsters

[acoustic osprey]

Can't wait to hear about her more

[rustic nexus]

Oh okay ima have to be more careful from now on

[acoustic osprey]

Mother of the Cannibals

The Carrier

[void apex]

I do wonder what it's carrying

I was firstly thinking that it is some virus

but it also might be a strain, the N strain that is

[rustic nexus]

Possibly the mutation that creates the eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

I'm thinking more so physical

But, looking at old lore on neuros... Maybe yes

Depends
She could be the origin story for Neuros

[void apex]

it's carrying the weight of its sins

[acoustic osprey]