isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

But who knows

[hexed flax]

But then Omniraptor is no strain or variant. It will have the same stats as the Raptor we have now. Thats what i meant

[acoustic osprey]

Need more information on it all
With or without it being a variant like Magnas

[acoustic osprey]

For the time being? Yes

We, like for everything, don't know what they plan with Omniraptor besides the name change

[hexed flax]

They can't make it stronger than the current raptor though. Just wouldn't make any sense to give us a supercharged dinosaur when we don't have the base version of it

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

Depends on how O's work

And whatever Omniraptor is

[hexed flax]

But strains don't just grow. Non strain dinsoaurs evolve into them

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully still, yes

[hexed flax]

So with that in mind Omniraptor can't be a strain. Because it's already an Omniraptor as a hatchling

[acoustic osprey]

depends, we lack a lot of information on how Os would work

Including the "current" canon creation of Strains

[severe raft]

How many bloody Strains do we have? The only ones I remember were Hypos, Neuros, and Magnas

[fervent vessel]

lore

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers + Neuros + Tissos

And Variants (Magnas)

Plus one other: "O"

[fervent vessel]

O

[acoustic osprey]

omnis

[severe raft]

Ah right

Why do I always forget the Tissos

[fervent vessel]

whats your fav strain out of the 3 4 idk?

[acoustic osprey]

Neuros

[acoustic osprey]

Likely because they have the least amount of info on them

[severe raft]

True

[fervent vessel]

and why the neuros?

[severe raft]

Wdym?

Also which ones were the albinos

[fervent vessel]

spill the beans

[acoustic osprey]

❌

[acoustic osprey]

Because funny Echidna

[severe raft]

What?

[fervent vessel]

whats the meaning of this word? Echidna

[severe raft]

None

[acoustic osprey]

Which one?

Oh, Echidna is a Neurotenic Human

[fervent vessel]

oh now we on the same page

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[fervent vessel]

what does the O strain look like on a dinosaur?

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
Recently talked about by Don (with minimal information)

[fervent vessel]

he now needs to spill the beans

[fervent vessel]

u reckon they are bigger then hypos?

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows!

[fervent vessel]

u know! (jokes)

[acoustic osprey]

I wish

[slate holly]

So can I ask what reason was there to bring back dinosaurs in the isle lore?

[void apex]

Yes, we just don't know it as of now. Or we haven't figured it out yet at least.

[slate holly]

Well in my book you need a hell of a good reason to bring back extinct things

[void apex]

I mean... yeah? But it also might be canonically easier to do than in real life

the replicator seems to be specialised for creating stuff

it's not like the dinosaurs are like they were in real life

[slate holly]

Yeh but why hypos and all those monstrosities

[acoustic osprey]

^

[acoustic osprey]

Hypers? Strains?
Medicinal reasons: failed

[oblique surge]

It’s possible AE’s objective as a company is to “improve” humanity
Look at how hypers are physically better in every aspect compared to their normal counterparts and how neuros are much smarter and have literal mind power
As light said tho it didn’t quite work out well in the end

[slate holly]

But why of all things you decide to test your enhancement serum on some of oh idk EARTHS LARGEST AND MOST POWERFUL PREDATORS

[strange shell]

Maybe because it initially only worked on them ? Or it comes from them ?

[slate holly]

Well maybe try it on a pig or mouse I mean don’t go expecting enhancing a damn T. rex will not lead to any issues

[oblique surge]

For some reason AE either had to or chose to use the extinct animals created by the replicator to test the strains
My guess is that strains only work on life that was created by the replicator
That would also explain why AE made humans

[strange shell]

Well imagine something along those lines

[slate holly]

Maybe make a mouse with the replicatator

[strange shell]

In their time, there was a lot of some sort of magic/getnetic dust in the air, which dinos continually inhaled over a few million years, before its complete disappearance from the surface of earth. On its own it does nothing, but with careful genetic manipulation, it allows to turn dinos into things, which, once grown, produce a material that can be turned into a serum allowing pretty much anything to become a strain. But you need the dinos firsthand to get that strain juice, because they're the only existing organisms that have evolved to process this "strain magic dust (or whatever it is)

[oblique surge]

AE didn’t feel like it for some reason
To answer this we’re gonna have to wait until dondi gives us more lore crumbs

[strange shell]

I know the theory is pretty random, but it seems solid in my opinion

Or maybe it's the replicator who wanted to make dinos, and just dinos, for some reason

[oblique surge]

That sounds interesting
But what about the animals that lived alongside dinos but didn’t die out in the mass extinction event? Did they lose the ability to process said substance?

[strange shell]

Yeah probably
Without the constant exposure to ||the strain thingy that I picture as some sort of magic dust|| animals lose the ability to make anything useful out of it

[regal locust]

My own personal theory is that considering AE is a umbrella company that seems to be at the fore-front of genetic manipulation, I'd imagine they'd want to use things like extinct animals simply because for publicity's sake. I don't think anyone's going to believe, as a wide majority, that a pharmaceutical company is experimenting on extinct dinosaurs compared to actual animals.

It'd probably help with their PR especially if the isle's universe have strict international wildlife protection laws, or, genetic manipulation rights given to both animals and people like how countries are starting to adjust for in real life now.

People and animals might have access to those rights, but not completely extinct things from millions of years ago I'd imagine.

tl;dr It's a way for AE to skirt around potential international genetic invervention laws.

[oblique surge]

That is also a possibility yeah

[strange shell]

Considering the amount of testing of animals that is being done by a lot of companies, I doubt a medical company would resort to resurrect dinos just to test their things out

[regal locust]

When you risk losing the whole company? I'd imagine so.

[strange shell]

And we don't know how secretive AE is. Is any of their work public ? The islands seem pretty isolated

[strange shell]

I haven't ever heard of any company being threatened because it has been testing on animals
Especially medical companies, which have the argument of "we need to do this in order to be able to heal people but testing on humans would be much worse"

[regal locust]

You also haven't heard of any companies abducting people (or legally binding them into certain contracts) and turning them into monsters.

Which would probably be some cause for a shutdown by ANY government or legal body.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/snowman-welcome-to-himalayas-monsters-inc-cold-heart-gif-12435231

literally everything I ask myself too

They aint definitely morally good

They literally Operation Inferno

[nocturne cosmos]

i mean in this world its not hard ot imagine the goverment is getting paid off like i cannot belive these guys are getting away with some of this stuff without some goverment knowing about it

[strange shell]

Yeah but we know AE is most likely doing that so... why create dinos to not be testing on animals, while on the other hand, you frickin turn people into cannibalistic abominations ?

[nocturne cosmos]

like entire islands with dinos on them running around along with possible mutated dinos no way

[acoustic osprey]

Guys we're making medicine!
(We're also the first to use untapped, besides PI, technology. Literally God-like power)

[strange shell]

They get every dino back inside pens whenever a government plane comes nearby
Hence the server restarts

[nocturne cosmos]

that is alot of work and thats if you can catch every goverment plane sattelite or anything like that

[regal locust]

AE's been described to be this super big umbrella corporation. My own sortof guess is that it's primarily a pharmaceutical company judging from the (snake staff thing? I forgot it's name) posted pretty much everywhere.

The way they've become so popular and encompassing is probably through genetic technology. If they can bring back dinosaurs from millions of years ago, there's no telling what they've had to do to pull that off. I imagine due to Operation Inferno, it's helped them out, but, beyond that I have no clue.

[strange shell]

On another note I think it was implied in Legacy lore that some government was aware of AE's actions
Doesn't mean the public was tho

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/los-pollos-hermanos-breaking-bad-the-los-pollos-hermanos-family-welcomes-you-gustavo-fring-family-gif-21941081

[regal locust]

**"It'd probably help with their PR especially if the isle's universe have strict international wildlife protection laws, or, genetic manipulation rights given to both animals and people like how countries are starting to adjust for in real life now.

People and animals might have access to those rights, but not completely extinct things from millions of years ago I'd imagine.
tl;dr It's a way for AE to skirt around potential international genetic intervention laws."**

[nocturne cosmos]

goverment defo has to be aware unless they have some actual full on alien tech

[regal locust]

Hold on, I may need to bold that.

[acoustic osprey]

AE duality corp

Actually, too morally bad

[strange shell]

So you use dinos to skirt around the fact you can't test on animals but then you gladly do the exact thing you can't do on animals on humans ?

[nocturne cosmos]

if regular animals got rights im sure dinos would have too

like as soon as dinos got brought back they would have most likely been put under protection if that was the case

[oblique surge]

AE seems to follow the “ends justify the means” kind of mindset
They’re not exactly evil but they’ll do evil stuff if it means achieving a goal they deem worth it

[regal locust]

Simply because of the fact, if they're caught, those "Dinosaurs" have zero rights. The human stuff is a good point though, I'd imagine it's just a necessary risk because they're a pharmaceutical company. They have to experiment on people because that's what I imagine it's for.

[strange shell]

It can be a grey area
Since with enough legal fiddling, they could be declared as "not actual animals" and maybe they could literally be the company's property
And copyrighted

[regal locust]

Ye p much.

[nocturne cosmos]

perhaps but if PC is still a thing then multiple companies have made dinos

[strange shell]

My point is, if they can hide experimenting on people, they can probably hide experimenting on mice too
Even if they gonna make a dino facade, it'd be much safer to experiment on animals rather than on rexes (and less expensive)

[regal locust]

I just wish we got more of an insight to the world around AE. What's the world like?

[regal locust]

Yeah, that's fair.

[acoustic osprey]

Making Osborn's performance-enhancing serum

[strange shell]

It's got no moon, and the earth's atmosphere is probably extremely thinner than what we're used to
Explaining the aurora borealis and the fact nights are pitch black

[sharp knoll]

Maybe they tried to create humans to make tests on them but not the regular human

[acoustic osprey]

no moon?

[nocturne cosmos]

no moon be like

[acoustic osprey]

did we lose the moon in 5.5?

[regal locust]

What's life like on the outside world? What are the countries like? Has anything cataclysmic happened?

[acoustic osprey]

Earth (?)

[sharp knoll]

Thats the question

[strange shell]

When I look at the sky during the night, it's pitch black
Maybe there's a few stars ? I'm not sure

[oblique surge]

Wait would the human protection laws also protect AE’s gen 2?
What if, even if by a technicality, the gen 2 arent considered actual humans and thus can be tested on?

[acoustic osprey]

They likely made the humans
Rather than using live people

[nocturne cosmos]

i tihnk thats just the nightvision and such

[sharp knoll]

Exactly

[acoustic osprey]

hinted with Dondi's "They're all the same age"
At least with Gen 2

[regal locust]

They've been described as being humanoid, not necessarily human.

[acoustic osprey]

(Gen 1)

[nocturne cosmos]

making a huamanoid creature to test on it defo going to put you in hot water

[acoustic osprey]

Although, we lack the final finishing qualities of a Gen 2

[regal locust]

OH RIGHT, I KEEP FORGETTING THE REGULAR DUDES ARE GEN 2.

[nocturne cosmos]

especially if you give them actual minds and thoughts

[acoustic osprey]

[strange shell]

I once thought about speculative laws on a world where genetic manipulation is widely used
Anything with at least 96% human DNA is considered human
So companies fiddle with genes to have their creations always have 95.9% human DNA so that even if they look exactly like humans and have human intelligence they don't have human rights

[regal locust]

I guess that's actually really kindof interesting. Why is the second generation more akin to humans than the first?

[acoustic osprey]

Hence Gen 1 being... yes

[regal locust]

Is it also to skirt around human rights violations by making something that looks like a human, quacks like a human, but just isn't human?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, they also seem to be the most recent thing AE have done.
Who knows. AE given the thumbs up after 20 years?

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah but then all of a sudden they also get human rights becasue u made them so similar

[regal locust]

Is it their attempt to make people from scratch?

[oblique surge]

I guess trial and error? Some mistake happened during gen 1 development and it got out of control
They learnt from their mistake and made gen 2

[regal locust]

Is it an attempt to create "better" people?

[strange shell]

Maybe
Guess it's simpler to sacrifice an army of clones who are actually your property rather than trying to get actual people to go die on your dino island

[regal locust]

For sure.

[regal locust]

Absolutely.

[acoustic osprey]

likely, yes

If they're making humans literally from scratch (Gen 2)
They are likely trying to make perfect humans

[strange shell]

Happy ending : Echidna marries the Hyper rex

[acoustic osprey]

literally Osborn's forumla
But born in a tank

[regal locust]

But why would they want to create perfect humans?

[sharp knoll]

Colossus

[oblique surge]

And they have a wedding on legacy community server

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
Medicine reasons still?

[strange shell]

He's their child

[regal locust]

This is why I wish we got a better understanding of the world around the isle.

[sharp knoll]

Fck

[nocturne cosmos]

i wish we got a better understand in general

[strange shell]

Who wouldn't want to create a perfect human ?

[sharp knoll]

Simulation

[regal locust]

So that way we can theorize about potential conclusions. Say there's been a cataclysmic event and the world is dying.

AE might be creating better humans to live within that environment.

[oblique surge]

Maybe just improve human life im general?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, let's look at it this way

Gen 2 are more than likely AE's ONLY recent project for Spiro and Gateway
Or just in-general

Either positions moved. People died.
Or things changed internally.

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-i-am-something-of-a-scientist-myself-smiling-willem-dafoe-spider-man2-gif-17148884

[regal locust]

Or we can go to the far end of the spectrum and go into SPACE.

They could potentially be making turbo-men to survive on other planets' conditions because the world is so fucked.

[strange shell]

and dinos

[oblique surge]

Idk the world seems okay from the island’s POV
Unless that event had no effect on the sky/atmosphere and the modern animals are also made by the replicator

[regal locust]

Yeah, maybe dinosaurs are an attempt to create a completely differing ecosystem, better to one on earth. That's less susceptible to man's influence.

[oblique surge]

We do have turtles
Which implies the ocean is doing fine

[regal locust]

I don't really know if I can take the ingame lighting/skybox into account. It's changed a number of times, you remember when we were going to get shooting stars?

[sharp knoll]

If Don said Earth(?) maybe he meant likely not real world, but virtual, but I don't think so it could be a matrix sht, not even if humans are extincted because Evrima is happening in years 80's and 90's iirc

[acoustic osprey]

Or likely just an alternative world (earth)

[sharp knoll]

Hmm

Other Dimension

Now I'm thinking about Interstellar

[nocturne cosmos]

see that just makes things complicated for nothin

[acoustic osprey]

We don't have to be entirely bound by normal irl earth worldbuilding.

Some storytelling freedom

[sharp knoll]

WHAT IF AE USED BLACK HOLE

[acoustic osprey]

[sharp knoll]

Another dimension?

[strange shell]

WHAT IF
AE didn't actually make the dinosaurs ?
I know it's a pretty crazy theory, but imagine PI lost total control over what they're doing and dinos scattered everywhere around the world, destroying ecosystems in their wake
Because of the inability to just kill them all, AE is trying to make new mutated dinos that are less aggressive on the biosphere and can make a functioning ecosystem to replace these rogue dinos and somehow save wildlife ? And that'd be why they imported domestic species as well as wild ones like deers to the Island

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-wormhole-space-galaxy-universe-gif-13312651

[regal locust]

I don't think a company that lords over genetic stuff would have the ability to also make whole wormholes or whatever.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[oblique surge]

Fair, just working with what we currently have here

[strange shell]

And the island is cool for that because it's a closed environment
But it explains nothing about the strains and the other things

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe.
Only thing we now is currently confirmed "made by AE" are strains

[regal locust]

PI's thing I thought was "building a better tomorrow".

[sharp knoll]

Well if TI is not related on space then I agree with you

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Earth(?)

[strange shell]

The strains are tests on how to make the dinos able to replace PI's dinos in the ecosystem without destroying the rest of it maybe ?

[nocturne cosmos]

well PI and AE were around at the same time like they were both working at the same time

AE literally stole stuff from PI

[sharp knoll]

I have theory about Replicator, is crazy but what if Replicator is from another dimension

[acoustic osprey]

We know strains are done, more so, for medicinal reasons now

[strange shell]

What would that change ?

[nocturne cosmos]

well that means we get an extremely long and convoluted timeline

[sharp knoll]

Idk, if AE didnt really know how the machine creates life form, and how it actually appeared but I dont want to say "Alien Technology"

[strange shell]

Alien technology

[sharp knoll]

Is not

[nocturne cosmos]

aliens

[sharp knoll]

No

[strange shell]

What if the Replicator is a SCP ?

[sharp knoll]

Oh god

[nocturne cosmos]

now that would be good

[regal locust]

Unironically, one of the first things mentioned on TI's kickstarter is that there were artifacts that you'd have to find for the story.

Could they be alien artifacts? Potentially.

[sharp knoll]

Dont think so

[nocturne cosmos]

please no

please no aliens

[regal locust]

Anything is possible right now. We really don't have much to go off on.

[strange shell]

Great Elders then
The Replicator is one of them

[sharp knoll]

Dimensions

[regal locust]

If they did go the alien route, I'd imagine it'd be like the forest where there's no actual alien ties but just their technology being left there.

[strange shell]

Although I like the idea that the replicator is actually a lifeform, not man-made
A machine lifeform

[nocturne cosmos]

loook im oooooookay with dimensions as long as its jsut like alternate earths or something

[acoustic osprey]

journals

[sharp knoll]

Again, Earth(?)

[strange shell]

So inter-dimensional bulshit is okay but aliens not ?

[acoustic osprey]

Honestly, would be a total bummer with alien-stuff

[sharp knoll]

Not really

[strange shell]

Dinos are actually aliens

[sharp knoll]

Yes

[strange shell]

And they came back

[acoustic osprey]

such a boring excuse that a company has "cool gadgets" because of aliens

[nocturne cosmos]

that

[strange shell]

The meteorite was just their mothership landing to take them to another world

[sharp knoll]

They adapted to be hunters again

[sharp knoll]

Nah dont really want that

[acoustic osprey]

same

[regal locust]

As cool as it would be to have the replicator be some kind of interdimensional horror, there's a quote from Don I think about from time to time. When Jurassic World 2 came out, Dondi mentioned that "okay guys we did the whole dead cloned daughter thing first".

I wonder if the replicator is some kind of project lead (or literally anyone within a position of power in AE) who goes batshit after his daughter dies or smth. They then convert themselves into an "AI" and they become the replicator as we know it today. They try playing god to revive their dead daughter which maybe potentially results in the Echidna if they go that route.

[acoustic osprey]

I'd prefer Earth (?)

[sharp knoll]

The Isle = Inception

[regal locust]

It's still just on the table.

[strange shell]

What's a nice excuse for having cool gadgets (and being the only one who has access to them) ?
Oh I know
Pre-columbian technology

[nocturne cosmos]

ayo dead kids is this fnaf?

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

True

[acoustic osprey]

I remember that, swear someone clipped it

[sharp knoll]

The Isle is a dream

[acoustic osprey]

Although, Dondi clips 🙂

[regal locust]

"The Isle features a non-linear narrative told strictly through the environment. Hidden locations and ancient artifacts will be dynamically created revealing the how and why of The Isle." - the REALLY OLD kickstarter.

I imagine it's changed by now, but, who knows what "ancient artefacts" entail.

[strange shell]

Mugs
Like in Horizon Zero Dawn

[nocturne cosmos]

i mean artifacts could also just be old stuff from AE

[oblique surge]

I remember Dondi talking about environmental story telling recently
They might still follow that somewhat

[nocturne cosmos]

like papers

artifacts are just old stuff with importance

yess sirr look for those lovely drawings on the trees

[sharp knoll]

Tribal paintings that mention replicator story, like if replicator is like GLaDos and it can talk, what if it talked to cannibals (tribals)

[nocturne cosmos]

gen 2 got made because the tribals began worshipping it sooo

[sharp knoll]

Replicator the main villain

[acoustic osprey]

yes

That is ultimately the big bad

[sharp knoll]

We need a title for that

[sharp knoll]

Well no

Gen 1 (Tribals) is the failed experiment

They tried to create humans

[nocturne cosmos]

yes because they started worshipping the boy thats why it failed they wouldnt do what they wanted them too

what?

no but pop off

[slate holly]

So guys another question is there a lore reason brachi replaces pue or is it just that the devs have favouritism

[sharp knoll]

Forget pue

[acoustic osprey]

No

[slate holly]

Pue will never die

Plus now I’m probably gonna hate brachi for the rest of my life due to my heartbreak now which is unfortunate

[sharp knoll]

I think you are from another dimension...

[acoustic osprey]

hi

[sharp knoll]

hello

[slate holly]

I’m so salty over pues removal I’ve started laughing to the brachis death in fallen kingdom

[sharp knoll]

#offtopic-discussion

[slate holly]

Your right I should bring this up in the general chat

[sharp knoll]

yes

[livid shard]

It is difficult to think that the time it took to clone extinct creatures from more than 66 million years ago, The process that I have been thinking about is this, First Scientists investigate possible places with Fossils or remains with genetic tests (Which would be difficult), Then they they would finance the expeditions to two places extracting enough genetic material, when returning a specific scientific branch would be in charge of complementing the DNA of the creatures (as in jurassic park) That could explain why some dinosaurs in the game would be slightly different than in the original species in question, in the same process they would be in charge of adapting them to modern botany, that would explain why dinosaurs could consume modern foods (which were not in their time), in the same process of registering genetic material they would be in charge of eliminating some of the diseases that the dinosaurs could get. After that long process, the cloning would begin, and to avoid spending money they would make the dinosaurs capable of reproducing, when one of the offspring is ready, they would take care of adapting them equally with creatures with whom they did not live in a specific period, so that finally be free on the island (at least it's a speculation, who knows if they had the dinosaurs locked up and the dinosaurs escaped)

it may be that the dinosaurs were not Æ's initial plan, but what I just mentioned is a speculation, it may be that the dinosaurs were a test before the real "experiment" (As far as I know or at least I've heard Æ wanted to make the perfect creature)

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't call it cloning

More so, creating

[livid shard]

yes, cloning would refer more to a specific being

It would be more like collecting enough information to create a being very similar to the one that existed millions of years ago

[acoustic osprey]

The process would be similar
But they're not making the same dinosaurs

They untapped pure bio-genetic engineering

Where they can even create a more perfect human

[livid shard]

More like a recreation?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

Even to the point of being creation itself
Literally making Omniraptor (Utahraptor)

Seeing as it's likely that Omniraptor is just "generic dromaeosaur"

[livid shard]

Oh

Speaking a little about Æ, is Phoenix international in the canon of The Isle?

[acoustic osprey]

Still

Yes

[livid shard]

Oh

Æ and PI have a kind of rivalry?

What the fhck my keyboard it’s kinda weird

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

It's that rivalry still active? Who knows

[livid shard]

And it’s important?

or it will be forgotten

[acoustic osprey]

That's the questions we all ask

Likely quite important
Especially in terms of strain research and Magnas

Even the O Strain/Variant

[slate holly]

I know my constant questions must be really annoying but how did the dinosaurs end up running rampant and breaking out in the first place

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

But
Could be due to a multitude of reasons

[slate holly]

I’m thinking some dennis nedry dude cut the power line

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[exotic jacinth]

Lore.

[tender shard]

Knowing that individuals with strains experience pain using their abilities (the same bifurcation of the jaws in giga), they need to COMPLETELY change animations and sounds so that the pain they experience is understandable to the player. Their raw versions in legasy felt like ordinary dinosaurs just with imb stats.

[narrow vigil]

This could be amplified with some abilities actually costing a bit of healt. Line swallowing so.ething ginormous for example

[naive sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/googas-wet-wet-cat-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-20820186

[acoustic osprey]

No

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, strains haven't been worked in years
So however they do strains for Evrima, hopefully it's lore accurate

[sharp knoll]

#offtopic-discussion

[pulsar belfry]

@acoustic osprey Hit me with lore please

I need to know

[acoustic osprey]

A lot better to ask questions
There are no true fundaments

Besides:
AE = Apollo Engineering
Had Spiro, but lost control (obvious through concept art and models in-game)
Has/had a rivalry and/or relationship with Phoenix International (Primal Carnage corporation)

They made Dinosaurs
They made strains (highly likely for medicinal reasons)
Made Gen 1 (Tribals) and failed
Made Gen 2 (Mercs, but they aren't Mercs) and succeed- likely AE's recent project

[pulsar belfry]

I see

Is there a reason as to why they created these things?

[acoustic osprey]

We have the basis of the reasons to why Strains were made- hinted by Dondi recently from a Dalt comment

(I also have my doc pinned in here, if you haven't had the chance to see it yet)

[pulsar belfry]

Got it

Will be reading that later

Thanks mate

[acoustic osprey]

no worries Bird

[pulsar belfry]

[tender shard]

Why artificially created by AE humans(Gen 2) called mercs

[edgy pike]

Don’t know if there’s an official name for them other than Gen 2s

[acoustic osprey]

It's just a community name

like how some people say Hypos and... envrima

[edgy pike]

People who say utha

[acoustic osprey]

No, only official name is Gen 2

so don't worry

[sharp knoll]

Fake Humans

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-castle-wait-please-stop-please-no-please-gif-21133188

[tender shard]

Never heard that anyone called evrima eNvrima

[acoustic osprey]

Many many people have referred to it as envrima sadly
Why? Who knows

Hypos is understandable- because of creators like Anth promoting the name
But it's not a bad nick

(Even though Hypers is still effortless)

[sharp knoll]

Nah Hyper better

[acoustic osprey]

^

[runic shuttle]

Hippos

[solid bloom]

Stegos are humans

That’s why they over powered

[royal compass]

Hypo is more, such as muscular hypotrophy.

[cinder atlas]

Technically it's not a very good nickname because it means the opposite of what Hypers are. Lol

[versed apex]

hypo sounds cooler

[oblique surge]

hyper >>>>>>

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/theboys-perfect-gif-23821319

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-season3-exhale-homelander-exhale-disappointed-gif-26166811

[versed apex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/764934643748175875/1012989090603483176/zartog2.gif

[acoustic osprey]

Literally

[acoustic osprey]

No, hypo means less or under
Hypothermia = significantly below body temperature

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/real-eyes-the-deep-the-boys-real-eyes-realize-the-peak-gif-26220522

[royal compass]

My mistake, got the words mixed.

[acoustic osprey]

No worries

Out of all the incorrect nicknames anyway, Mercenaries are the easily most forgotten to be "incorrect"
Due to how they were originally implemented

[sharp knoll]

O-Quetz is bionic Quetz

@acoustic osprey

[maiden sundial]

LOOOOORE

[sharp knoll]

Oh and yeah monorail, probably is connected to the G.U.T.S.

[maiden sundial]

What's G.U.T.S

[sonic rampart]

"Generic Underground Transport System" That's not the real name in lore, but it should give an idea of what it is

[maiden sundial]

You saying there will be an underground transportation system?

As in dinosaurs can abuse this?

[idle shadow]

rex be like, You underestimate my POWER!!!

[sonic rampart]

Abuse? It seems like it's a connected system of tunnels and caves

[maiden sundial]

Ah I see

It would be cool if they had cave lakes

Or cave ponds

[ruby geyser]

I don't think that is o-quetz if omniraptor is anything to go off of

looks more like a drone that the mercs use to spy on the assets

[sharp knoll]

Hmm then why Don mention it

[sharp knoll]

Well from the Tap's concept is called "Spy Cam Quetz"

[ruby geyser]

Afaik don didnt associate the robo quetz with o-variant in any way

[ruby geyser]

ya thats why i dont think its an o-quetz

[sharp knoll]

Hmm

I just hope not getting all dinos turning into terminators

[open compass]

Any guesses for why they're in hazmat vapor suits?

[tender shard]

fire-breathing bionic Quetz

[sharp knoll]

Don't think so

[open compass]

Just went back, confirmed not a fire suit

So I'm thinking hazmat kind of deal

[sharp knoll]

Oh wait what my bad

Didnt saw that one lol

[acoustic osprey]

Confirmed?

[sharp knoll]

Idk

Don't trust me

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

I highly doubt it's O Quetz

Especially to what Don replied to

Unless O's are a lot more technologically done

[open compass]

Wouldn't really line up with "omniraptor" unless O- just means something made by AE

[acoustic osprey]

Then what about Hypers and other AE strains?

[open compass]

Good point

[acoustic osprey]

[sharp knoll]

I think the skin of it is like not really a real skin, lets just say "fake skin"

Reminds me of this guy

[acoustic osprey]

The actual black skin?

[sharp knoll]

Working Joe

[sharp knoll]

Yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

Unless the skin has something to do with how those drone quetz are made

[sharp knoll]

Like I said

[sharp knoll]

☝️

But really, I don't want terminator dinos

[acoustic osprey]

(Zann asked about Magna Quetz)

[sharp knoll]

Oh yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Just sounds like a drone honestly
It's lightweight and flies

[sharp knoll]

Hmm then why they didnt make their own Drone

Maybe for observation

Like the animatronic sharks

[acoustic osprey]

AE?

Is your question worded wrong?

[sharp knoll]

But yeah Tap's concets are actually getting real now

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Spy Quetz wasn't suppose to be related to the isle

[open compass]

Maybe they only know how to make dinosaurs

[sharp knoll]

What was Don's idea thats what I'm wondering

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, I presume because dondi liked it

[sharp knoll]

They have high technology

[sharp knoll]

Hmm, more...

[acoustic osprey]

AE using drone quetz is a safe and interesting way of CCTV monitoring

I presume it has more uses than being a Drone

[sharp knoll]

Observation

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe even controlable?

[acoustic osprey]

Trail cams

[sharp knoll]

At least it can observe down

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

While is flying

[acoustic osprey]

But normal CCTVs and Drones can easily do so

[nocturne cosmos]

I feel like it’s a bit big to be observing stuff

[acoustic osprey]

There is definitely some better reason to Drone Quetz

[nocturne cosmos]

Just seems a bit awkward having this massive drone flying around

[sharp knoll]

Not guns, please

[acoustic osprey]

No definately not

[acoustic osprey]

Likely protection, whatever material their holding could be radioactive

[sharp knoll]

Hmm maybe they found a new radiation material

[acoustic osprey]

Oh no, definately.
With what Visual showed with the monorail tunnel concept art

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

[nocturne cosmos]

Maybe made to go find H-Quetz if that guy is still missing?

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

This is how I exactly imagined the monorails would he used

[sharp knoll]

For dinos

[acoustic osprey]

You, a Gen 2 or small playable, travelling across the rail.
Then a quetz comes along to pester you

[sharp knoll]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

Glad tap added that in

[sharp knoll]

Trike Plane will be next

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[sharp knoll]

But I don't think it has organs

[acoustic osprey]

Definately

[sharp knoll]

Stupid question but why robots have always red eyes

[acoustic osprey]

Because funny visibly infrared

[sharp knoll]

Ehh at least orange or green

[open compass]

https://tenor.com/view/hal9000-hal-scifi-a-space-odyssey-2001-gif-21408468

This guy

[green swan]

Generic evil color

[sharp knoll]

Glados is evil

https://tenor.com/view/portal-glados-robot-gaming-gameplay-gif-17551452

[maiden sundial]

She has red dots over her body

[sharp knoll]

Forget what I said

[slate pewter]

Rexy just wanted to warn them for the incoming train

[hexed flax]

Normal drones need to be recharged. A drone Quetz can just go and eat something

And they can travel great distances

[void apex]

I mean... ehhh

I feel like a more realistic use is to use it as a nanny cam that makes the animal feel not watched

you guys seen the nature docs which swap out a baby croc with a robot camera one?

Like that. They can get more perspective about the life in the aviary

[strange shell]

But most animals would be scared of seeing a quetz right ?

[void apex]

I mean yeah

but it is IN the aviary, where Quetzes tend to be

[slate pewter]

But Glados isn't blind?
Or the Yellow light is also a camera of the cores?

[hexed flax]

And what is RoF?

[acoustic osprey]

And what is that power source

[hexed flax]

Powered by the body temperature and movement

[void apex]

that's not nearly enough to power it

[acoustic osprey]

No there is something radioactive powering it

[hexed flax]

I can't imagine them plugging in a quetz

[void apex]

full on hazmat suits, with a radioactiveness meter or whatever those are called

[acoustic osprey]

AE learnt nuclear fission

[hexed flax]

If it has a small nuclear powered battery somewhere in its body it would die of radiation

[acoustic osprey]

Wonder if it's a real radioactive material
Or made-up

[acoustic osprey]

Sci-fi

[void apex]

it doesn't really look alive

[slate pewter]

No, they don't

[acoustic osprey]

Well, they literally made Gen 2 and Strains

It wouldn't be off their bucket list

[hexed flax]

Wouldn't the radiation still destroy the body?

[void apex]

depends I guess

[slate pewter]

Thats modern-day technology.

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe the material encasing it is some sort of anti-radiation scifi material

[acoustic osprey]

Which?

I guess fission is pretty pathetic

[slate pewter]

Gene manipulating a human is possible but leads to cancer most of the time.
And it's possible to clone and some degree rase solf egg reptiles but not dinosaurs.
What We think we are as dinosaurs are backwards-engineered animals. through controlled breeding

[acoustic osprey]

[hexed flax]

@acoustic osprey do you know what RoF is?

[slate pewter]

Its impossible to clone an avian but possible to make it different through breeding

Domestication.

[acoustic osprey]

Make me a super enhanced dinosaur and a super-soldier human White Falcon

[acoustic osprey]

No idea

[slate pewter]

You will only get cancer if you have to modify at the embryonic form in your mother or an artificial environment and then you have a chance to survive.

The technology is there It works with mammals

but you can't be a superhuman if you already born

[acoustic osprey]

Which means the technology is advanced enough to successfully create such thing?

[slate pewter]

Thankfully all research suspended on that side

[acoustic osprey]

Like, we had cars a bit less than 200 years ago
Doesn't mean we have the same technology to today

[slate pewter]

Hehehe its better if human not play God once and for all

[strange shell]

btw Nuclear fission is the one we currently use
Nuclear fusion is the fantasized one that could produce a lot of energy without nuclear waste, and the one that happens inside of stars

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[slate pewter]

Since then cars work on the same principle.

[acoustic osprey]

Fusion is a lot better

[slate pewter]

Vehicles mostly mechanic

[acoustic osprey]

Relatively, yes.
But the technology evolved throughout the years

[slate pewter]

gears and rotating shafts

[acoustic osprey]

The same principle would apply to this

But where AE tried so in both the 90s and current time

[slate pewter]

Not likely

[acoustic osprey]

But it's not the same as what we have realistically today

Whereas we can't solve the cancer issue
They did in their universe

[slate pewter]

The tech is far too dangerous which I read in books

[acoustic osprey]

Dangerous how so?

The tech is dangerous today. Obviously we'd likely not go into bio-engineering humans, but why would it be dangerous? Besides cancer

The dangerous aspect, for AE, was the result of Tribals

[hexed flax]

Nuclear fusion is already difficult enough. But putting all of it in a small device that can fit into an animal is basically impossible. No matter how Sci-Fi the Isle lore is

[acoustic osprey]

Iron man

[fervent vessel]

lore time come grab your friends

[acoustic osprey]

🛎️

[hexed flax]

But i don't see a device like that on the Quetz

[acoustic osprey]

spot for the reactor

Just like in Iron Man

[hexed flax]

That's a camera for the bird eye view

[acoustic osprey]

Chest

[hexed flax]

Yeah

[fervent vessel]

all they need now is the iron man theme song

[edgy pike]

Is this a full on robot or a cyborg or something

[acoustic osprey]

Not really

[acoustic osprey]

Looks dead

[fervent vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[acoustic osprey]

If it was a camera, it'd have a lens shine

But maybe it is

[edgy pike]

The hollow head makes it look like some rotted corpse that’s been retrofitted for all that equipment and stuff

[fervent vessel]

or it could be a terminator

[acoustic osprey]

I don't care about iron man arc reactor quetz

[hexed flax]

A nuclear fusion reactor would be extremely overkill to power a drone. Way too expensive

[acoustic osprey]

Visual wasn't allowed to tell us how AE powered Spiro
So we don't know anything yet

[fervent vessel]

what if they got money from iron man

[edgy pike]

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[hexed flax]

In the devblog they said that the lights automatically turning on at night is lore related

[acoustic osprey]

Yes no

[hexed flax]

?

[edgy pike]

I thought the lore relation was just

[acoustic osprey]

It's not really true lore

[edgy pike]

It’s night time so the lights come on for the people that work there

[acoustic osprey]

It's just a gameplay thing
Until human buildings get used properly

[hexed flax]

Okay

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[slate pewter]

The modified humans would have to face the fact that they are man-made and not in a biological way and therefore its not a nice idea after all.

[acoustic osprey]

pretty much how Tribals reacted

[slate pewter]

Humans have biological superpowers.
For instance, if you kill the fear feeling or the pain feeling of a human you get a machine that does not think, doesn't have emotions or human-like feelings, and doesn't fear death.

It would also be supernaturally strong much like how humans capable of lifting up immense weight in stressful state where they doesn't feel pain, not even think about it

[slate pewter]

Tribals are Gen 1?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[slate pewter]

How do you imagine a female Tribal?

[acoustic osprey]

literally just a tribal that's female

[slate pewter]

She would have the same anatomy that of a Human female?

or would be different
Like a larger chest and ...

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
But in the elongated sense of how Tribals differ to normal Humans

Gen 1s are pretty much:
Bigger
Ugly
Elongated

Maybe even some weirder proportions?

Like, limbs having slightly different shapes/ratios etc

[slate pewter]

But they are still mammals

[acoustic osprey]

yes, and?

[strange shell]

He's asking wether female tribals are gonna have boobs

[acoustic osprey]

They are genetically made monsters
Their design can be whatever AE (Don) wants

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-reverse-smile-omni-man-nolan-grayson-angry-angry-omniman-invincible-angry-gif-22127009

[slate pewter]

I'll gut ye oot if you assume I'm horny.
I'm not!
I asked about a little detail AYE?!

[acoustic osprey]

no comment

[slate pewter]

Nah

We talked about this topic in an SFW manner lets keep it that way

[acoustic osprey]

Whatever makes sense for the design of Females and Males is alright, just nothing stupid design-wise
As we don't even know what Tribals's actual design will be- unless they're staying the same from the old old art

[slate pewter]

That was a pencil art I guess they can do it better

[acoustic osprey]

🙂

[slate pewter]

The pretty in Humans that thanks to the skull and mimic muscles there are no people who has the same face.

There's always difference even if a little

[slate pewter]

You might laught but thats the living standards humans (Homo sapiens) existed for 120.000 years

And our civilisation is only 10.000 to 12.000 years old

[acoustic osprey]

yes, my cannibalistic ancestors being followed by wall creatures

[slate pewter]

Well not and I guess thats an artistic choice that their eyes reflects light back to the cam

Homo sapiens were much Brutal

We exterminated all other 3 Human-like species

Probably with a little help of the Ice Age

Isle Tribals just want to leave in peacefully with Dinosaurs

They are more human to me than mercenaries ever be.

[acoustic osprey]

They are chaotic beings

Pure cannibals that have gone bad

[slate pewter]

Cannibals exists today.

in tribes Cannibalism is part of their religion

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[slate pewter]

Not part of their diet

[acoustic osprey]

But Tribals' cannibalism did not cause them to go mad

[slate pewter]

They don't kill each other for food

[acoustic osprey]

The modified humans would have to face the fact that they are man-made and not in a biological way and therefore its not a nice idea after all.

[slate pewter]

Neither within the same village

[acoustic osprey]

You have also stated that they would have to face the fact that they are man-made

[slate pewter]

Tribals resembles US modern humans many thousands years ago

[acoustic osprey]

which is, from #transmissions, likely a big reason to why they became mad

[acoustic osprey]

No... this is... not correct at all

[slate pewter]

Did you not see the village concept arts?

[acoustic osprey]

Which

[slate pewter]

They know fire
They know weapon forging

They know architecture
They know whats beautiful

They raise totems from dinosaurs bones and skulls

[acoustic osprey]

If you're talking about this stuff?

[slate pewter]

They are civilized!

[acoustic osprey]

THIS is very very old IronBelly stuff for The Isle
WHICH does not mean Tribals act the same

Because at the same time, Gen 2 were still just Mercenaries and Isle lore was different

[acoustic osprey]

They really aren't

[slate pewter]

These are still concept arts and therefore count

[acoustic osprey]

count to what?

[slate pewter]

In this discussion

Because how I imagine a Tribal village or a homecave is entirely different from you

And sake why didn't something make an art about it?

[acoustic osprey]

No, it's because I'm going off recent lore

[slate pewter]

Aye

We make the lore

[acoustic osprey]

Because they haven't shown us Tribal or Gen 2 art in years

[slate pewter]

Since Players will be Tribals as well its on our back how we behave

And In my village trators or cannibals gets eaten

[slate pewter]

#isle-phase-three

[acoustic osprey]

No, I'm not talking about the models

[slate pewter]

They did show a Gen 2 lad (model)

okay

[acoustic osprey]

I said art

[slate pewter]

You talk about behaviour pattern?

Art?

[acoustic osprey]

Because they haven't shown us Tribal or Gen 2 art in years

[slate pewter]

Okay sorry I didn't read it all along

[acoustic osprey]

all good

[acoustic osprey]

#transmissions

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions

only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

[slate pewter]

That doesn't mean they can't live in societies/villages

Village would compete with village not Tribal with Tribal

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[slate pewter]

And the man, woman and children of the loosing village gets eaten

Or slayed

Or Both

I think thats fair!

But killing your own village members should be punishable

[acoustic osprey]

should be promoted

[slate pewter]

As the Village leader the player who created the village/clan has the power to moderate the village

[acoustic osprey]

Someone not following the village rules?
Let's sacrifice you to The Replicator

[tender shard]

Already have an explanation of what is robo quetz?

[strange shell]

It should be the opposite
Someone perfectly following the village rules, showing great skill and qualities should be sacrificed to the Replicator as the greatest honor one can be awarded

[acoustic osprey]

Nope

[slate pewter]

You would think

The Player is a Troll
The Player is an idiot
The Player just bored
The Player is the spy of another village
The Player cooperating with dinosaurs therefore its a Traitor

[acoustic osprey]

Depends.
We know you wont be rewarded if you sacrifice yourself

[strange shell]

Being sacrificed is the reward
Like among the aztecs

[slate pewter]

Villages will be very different from one another

[acoustic osprey]

the "reward"

Although, I'd imagine it'd be rather complicated to actually "reward" the person who sacrifices that person

Unless it was "I push you into hole" -> "I get the actual reward"

[slate pewter]

They didn't sacrifice the townsfolk.
They did sacrifice the poor and worthy, prisoners and opposing members of the community

The Majans sacrificed their own people to their God!

[acoustic osprey]

Wouldn't make sense if the reward was physical
As then others would notice
Which would obviously mean: Why sacrifice myself if I could sacrifice others for that reward?

If Tribals are still chaotic
They would realistically understand "Physical reward = better" more than "Sacrifice myself for the reward of others"

[slate pewter]

And Cannibal Tribes in Indonesia ruthlessly torture and sacrifice the members of other villages and carve stone or wood human totems to capture their souls.

[slate pewter]

The order would he serves as you would get banned/exiled from the village and try your best with Dinosaur

Naked

[acoustic osprey]

Nah, sacrifice them

[slate pewter]

So you go equally with the dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Get that reward 🙂

Befriend The Replicator

[slate pewter]

Theres no reward from that

[acoustic osprey]

it's confirmed there is

Dasharkmasta
“Sacrifice stuff to replicator, replicator rewards you, sacrifice your body to replicator, come back better/stronger

Thousand life contract and all”

Dondi
“Yes, yes, no, yes.

No.”

[slate pewter]

And the bloody replicator probably be in a run down AE facility guarded by Labtahs

Or Labni

Laboratory Utah™
Laboratory Omni™

[acoustic osprey]

there is an aspect where you would "come back/become stronger"
Likely linking to how Eyeless are obtained

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

[slate pewter]

So it would be worth it to a village warrior group to go and fight their way through the facility

Laboratory Utah™️
Laboratory Omni™️

[acoustic osprey]

Retrieve and rescue The Replicator

[slate pewter]

Its mine!

Labtah™
Labni™

[slate pewter]

It's a machine you can't take to the village

But what if
2 or more village unites?

Forming a town?
With 20 Tribals

I assume the average village size will be 5 to 7 villager (including the leader)

Thats on a basin is
1 village Centre
2 house
1 long house
1 storage
1 weapon smith
1 workstation

A village that house 5 players has 8 buildings + Walls +Traps +...

Then image how big a village would be that has 20 players innit

way over 32 maybe even more!

[light flare]

Theres some art floating around of elaborate execution pyres with a human being lashed to apex dino ribs over a fire

[light flare]

Depends on how you look at it. If you're being brought back to life by a being that grants you a new improved body is that physical or spiritual? Christianity promises something similar, plus "wings as eagles."

Also, the only way to get that body would be to destroy your own somehow, either by your own hand or someone else's. Tribe-to-tribe there could be different customs for this. One might prefer a big ritual sacrifice and another might prefer death in battle. That'd be neat.

[slate holly]

Has there been anything like mecha quetz before in the isles lore or has it just been brought up now

[fringe marsh]

"Mecha quetz" is an old fan concept originally made by Tap sometime in like, 2018 or something. Now that they're a dev it seems to be official.

[slate holly]

Oh so does that mean their will be other robot creatures

[void apex]

Potentially but I doubt it

An observing quetz has a lot of advantages, which a lot of people don't seem to get

working more like these

but on a grand level, without disturbing the ecosystem

[slate holly]

I’m guessing it wasn’t just the fan art but the devs were playing ark and went “WHY DONT WE ADD ROBOT DINOSAURS”

[void apex]

it can fly low, it can land, it can interact without being completely unnatural, unlike modern drones.

[void apex]

ark robo dinos

[nocturne cosmos]

it would defo be unnatural unless they gave it more skin

[slate holly]

Tek dinos confirmed?

[void apex]

I mean, it is natural looking at a point where an animal looking up at it would just see

Not much to see, but even better, not much to hear

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah defo if it was in the air

if it landed however i dont think other quetzs would accept it

[void apex]

doesn't disrupt the ecosystem, while still being able to fly close to the ground

For some reason I am thinking about quetzalcoatlus among us, what the hell is wrong with my brain

[sharp knoll]

Well the "Spy Cam Quetz" was not to be related to The Isle, from what Tap said, but looks like Don like it and decided to add it

[strange shell]

"the black dude over here with red shiny eyes and a hollow head is kinda sus ngl"

[void apex]

I mean... yeah

[sharp knoll]

Now it has red light

[void apex]

POV: the isle

[sharp knoll]

Yes

[slate holly]

In the concept art it shows quetz fighting small dinos so are the mecha quetz made for watching the mercs and giving them aereal support when dinos attack them

[sharp knoll]

I think is just a "Spy Cam"

[void apex]

yeah, way too expensive and fragile to actually use in combat

and also... why would they use it in combat?

they have guns, and this thing was likely made during the time AE still inhabited the island, meaning that they had a lot of guns

[sharp knoll]

Anti Hyper Gun

[strange shell]

Transport maybe ? A quetz is less obvious than a helicopter when trying to cross the island, but I don't see why mercs would need to hide when traveling across the sky
unless the "not disturbing wildlife" thing is very important to them

[void apex]

Let me quote something real quick

[slate holly]

I just thought it would be rly cool to have what is basically a robot dragon being on your team

[void apex]

"Incident report: There was significant interference with █████ signal, allowing one of the recorded Pachycephalosaurus to kill research crew that was out in the field. Absolutely under NO circumstances should the ████ be interrupted during live research."

[slate holly]

F researcher

[strange shell]

Then maybe I'm right
But then, we saw helicopters on some concept arts. Why have helis if you're using roboquetz to fly around ?

[void apex]

POV: AE cameramans last moment on earth

[void apex]

We have so far only seen one helicopter in official concept art

[strange shell]

He joined Jim

[void apex]

and it is a Bell-47, a notoriously quiet chopper which is at the same time quite tiny

[strange shell]

One only ? I thought we saw at least two

[void apex]

we've seen a blackhawk in some old tap stuff, but again, that's fanart

[sharp knoll]

Maybe because they are too aggressive, so they are scared (Crew), so they made a close like creature to interact with them

[void apex]

The most banger fanart ever though

[strange shell]

btw do you think the fact the merc being named "John Cake" in the dev build's selection screen has anything to do with lore ?

[void apex]

lmfao

Have you seen the video?

[strange shell]

Nope

[sharp knoll]

It's for fun

[fringe marsh]

Goes hard af.

[void apex]

https://youtu.be/UTAVxxb8rHQ

The isle

[fringe marsh]

"So why do they call you cake?"

[void apex]

the best piece of content that has ever came out of the isle

[strange shell]

excluding Ben

Ben is both the worst and the best thing this community ever made

[sharp knoll]

Agree

[void apex]

Sevra art 🙏

[sharp knoll]

I love it

[void apex]

little gremlin guy

[strange shell]

Ben cannon better be canon

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-han-solo-star-wars-gif-15766309

[void apex]

Anyways, I like Zanns idea about O quetz being observational-Quetzalcoatlus, however I think it is unlikely because it feels like Dondi framed it like a strain, rather than a cyborg.

[strange shell]

We need to know if the O-Strain is Omnistrain

[void apex]

the real O- strain

[sharp knoll]

We'll see

[sharp knoll]

Oh no

[strange shell]

But it can't just be Omni. Hyper is actuall Hyperendocrine, Neuro is Neurotenic, etc...
What could "Omni" be, if it is indeed the stain ? Omnidirectional ? Omnipotent ?

[void apex]

Omnifunctional

having traits of several different strains

[sonic rampart]

Seems like it's more a replacement for magna. Magna is just magna, so omni might just be omni #isle-discussion message

[void apex]

well yeah, but it has to stand for something

[oblique surge]

The matriarch 👁️

[sonic rampart]

Does it? Did magna?

I'm more curious as to whether O is actually a replacement for M or if its another new thing

[muted hill]

I think magna translates to great or something?

[void apex]

^^

[strange shell]

Magnus means "big"

It's one of the very few things that I've remembered from my latin classes

[void apex]

Magna means great or big

[strange shell]

So the "magnus" strain would literally be the "big" strain
We got bigtyrannus, bigraptor... makes sense
And somehow some obscure "O-Quetz" is better than the big-quetz

[muted hill]

I assumed magnatyrannus translated to great tyrant

[strange shell]

big tyrant

and big thief

[oblique surge]

I wouldn’t say better
Its just a different strain if not a straight up replacement/new name

[void apex]

Aren't they abreviations, since great and big used to be somewhat interchangable...?

[sonic rampart]

Omni means "all" which would still fit the scheme imo

[void apex]

wait fuckwaffle I meant synonyms

[loud gate]

Magnus is Latin world for great

[strange shell]

Even if french the word "Grand" can mean both "Great" or "Big"
Since french is a latin language I assume it was the same thing back then

[nocturne cosmos]

Magnas are just kinda lesser hypers or used to be atleast

power wwithout the hunger

[void apex]

Magna (first iteration) was natures attempt to fight the strains
Manga (second iteration) was a second strain, which was just more balanced than hypers, trading a neutral metabolism for size and weaponry

[oblique surge]

Manga

[void apex]

[sharp knoll]

Well first, Magnas are like variants not really a strain, and second Magnas were suppose to be a perfect Hyper kinda

[edgy pike]

By “nature’s attempt” does that mean normal versions of the species that happened to be very strong, which then got used for the 2nd iterations?

[icy onyx]

so is the general lore/canonicity still linked to Primal Carnage?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we know it's not by sacrificing yourself

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

[acoustic osprey]

All Quetz

[acoustic osprey]

My head canon?
Since Magnas were a "PI" thing
It sounds like Os were AE adaptation of it

[acoustic osprey]

And it's not even fan concept
But one of Tap's personal things

[fringe marsh]

^ Yeah this

[acoustic osprey]

Which is crazy

Although, pretty much saw this coming when Dondi posted it a few weeks back

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/botPC.gif

[acoustic osprey]

If Hope is still valid
I guess? But connections are weird

[velvet arch]

why is it so cursed

[edgy pike]

My headcannon is gonna say yes to the PC thing for as long as magnatyrannus looks like that

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

To be safe
I'll say it's likely aspects of PC's lore?

[lethal glen]

Lightclaw! Congrats on CC!!

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you Brece

[livid shard]

In my opinion yes

It's just about looking for the time in which everything is located, the decisions, the secrets and other stuff

[acoustic osprey]

Hope trailer too

[livid shard]

Ye

At the end

It's just a matter of proposing to look for those clues, if we find one we can put the whole puzzle together

[acoustic osprey]

Which there are barely any in recent recent times

[icy onyx]

Robo quetz lore

They have suits on so they are clearly using something radioactive

And I can see there’s an aviary behind so that’s some juicy ass v2 lore my theory is that those noises we were hearing on v2 was the Robo quetz being made?

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

Whatever is powering it, it's radioactive

[loud gate]

What sounds?

[icy onyx]

Radium is radioactive and is used in x rays maybe Robo quetz can use the radium to see through walls or it could be nuclear power

[icy onyx]

If you goto aviary on v2 you can hear sounds

[loud gate]

V2 or V3?

I don’t think there was aviary on V2

[icy onyx]

V3 then

[loud gate]

Ok I’ll check later

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

[icy onyx]

Alr here is all the radioactive elements on the periodic table

[acoustic osprey]

I presume it's likely a sci-fi elements

[acoustic osprey]

Well not all

[icy onyx]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

Likely radium or some fake element

[icy onyx]

Could be uranium that’s used for nuclear power plants

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah true

Uranium is also likely

We aren't allowed to know the power source of the Isle yet

[icy onyx]

And also on the isle v3 there’s a little stream coming out of a building underground maybe they are using hydroelectric power all the big structures are located near a source of water

[loud gate]

Maybe there is underground facility

There are also pipes leading to aviary, but they are underground

[icy onyx]

It’s possible

Maybe port was a decoy to which we think the hypo project took place

[acoustic osprey]

Yes and no

We can take legacy lore with a grain of salt

[acoustic osprey]

Tartarus isn't likely on Spiro

Well, if that is where Hypers were made

[loud gate]

Gateway?

[acoustic osprey]

Unless Tartarus is just a place AE used to hide their failed projects

[acoustic osprey]

If it was still Velada, then more so yes
But! Maybe Gateway

Either or
The reason to make Strains wasn't an evil idea anyways

[loud gate]

Then why have they made them?

[acoustic osprey]

Gateway?

Or strains?

[loud gate]

Strains

[acoustic osprey]

Oh well

They were originally made for medicinal reasons
But then it failed

[loud gate]

Medical?

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

Like how Hypers have "Hyper endocrine*

[icy onyx]

Iv been thinking now why would they need to make a radioactive powered quetz?

[fringe marsh]

The general idea (to my knowledge) is that it's just a surveillance device that looks like a quetz in order to blend in with the environment.

[icy onyx]

If they are making it look like a quetz then whatever it wants to spy on doesn’t make sure it doesn’t potentially shoot it or it could be used as a tracker if it’s possibly brought down so the original owners of the robo quetz quetz can track its location and possibly cull the people who brought the quetz down

[light flare]

well it's more like self-disposal than self-sacrifice

[light flare]

Why imprison a failure when you can airstrike it? I wonder if tartarus is something a bit more esoteric than an oubliette for failed experiments. Might not be a physical place at all.

[shell remnant]

maybe it's a simulation of some sort?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, likely because it's both an expensive asset and they they likely don't want to destroy something so close to perfection

[old stone]

Failed doesn't mean useless

Even if Æ got something that they weren't hoping for from an experiment they can probably still use that to perfect their designs

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[fervent vessel]

EA?

joking lol

[fervent vessel]

thats hot

[fervent vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-theisle-the-isle-lore-lore-gif-19857045

[icy onyx]

Potato dilo

[void apex]

wait wait wait, now that the new map is confirmed to be "gateway", what does that say about the video in phase three?

APOLLO-GATEWAY. K15 - C2

AE-Gateway, being the map

K15 and C2 being possible coordinates

or C2 being "camera 2"

as discussed previously

but... does it tell us something more?

I really wish we got someone accessing the beipi video so that we can tell which location it was at

Like the Cerato being at Spiro_03025

or the Pachy being at Spiro_0205

Also, otherwise we have some proof of the beipi video being somewhat different from the rest

since unlike them, it has a substantially higher number as a DRIVE:C DISK file

Pachy: S2_6143
Cerato: S2_6394
Troodon: S2_6548
Beipiao: S2_9543

The rest being S2_6###

Beipi being S2_9###

meaning it is a big skip

or potentially saying something about the video itself, or the time it was filmed

all of the other videos were shot in the jungle, meaning that the 6 could possibly mean that habitat, or it is just the file number

the only way we could make sense of it would be via more of these trailcams

[light flare]

@shell remnant Aye that's what I've been considering. Older lore, which may not be canon anymore, mentions neurological profiles taken by some kind of computer. It's possible that Tartarus is simulating these creatures within a Virtual Reality. They may even be able to escape via the Replicator.

@acoustic osprey @old stone Those are good points, and it's the genetic/neurological record that would be most useful. Partially stowed away in VR the creatures (or their engrams at least) don't need to eat and they can't cause any permanent damage, but they can still be studied.

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

well, from where Spiro is destruction-wise
They obviously didn't get any time to destroy such projects

[ruby geyser]

The second one seems most plausible to me

[acoustic osprey]

From Filipe, they're the same place

[ruby geyser]

Wasn’t taps original drawing called spy cam quetz?

[acoustic osprey]

Drone Quetz

[acoustic osprey]

I was thinking map coordinates

So, you think every map tile is 1km^2?

which would make Gateway roughly 11km^2?
Unless it's 100m^2?
Or 500m^2?

Can't make assumptions, better to just wait for the map to release I guess

[woeful chasm]

Honestly it looks like an advanced drone. Look at the head, the beak is partially hollow and there seem to be electronics near the red eye

[edgy pike]

i would say AI but the antennae makes me think remote controlled

is there any writing about it from the original fanart post tapwing did? wont be canon ig but may give hints

[sharp knoll]

Nope, she just said that it was not related to The Isle but Don decided to add it for some reason

[icy onyx]

I see a remote in that fellas hands so maybe it’s the remote

And the radioactive

[edgy pike]

leaning to remote the most

would be cool if this was a thing you could find as humans in the aviaries as some rare vehicle and "pilot" it as if youre just playing quetz

[sharp knoll]

It doesn't really look like a vehicle, it's more of like a drone

[edgy pike]

*yeah that

as in your human playermodel is just chilling with the remote but your pov is quetz gameplay

[sharp knoll]

Plus it looks more fragile

[sharp knoll]

Yeah but I don't think so you can actually just use it to survive, it was more for like being part of environment to not disturb the ecosystem

[edgy pike]

not to attack things maybe but survey your surroundings etc

[sharp knoll]

Hmm it was actually just to spy, like that robot crocodiles that Dalt showed

[sharp knoll]

But we'll about that

For now we have no information about it

[icy onyx]

I’d say robo quetz was used to gather data and possibly use itself as a detonator since they could of hollowed out a living quetz and just put electronics in it

And uranium is used in nuclear power plants

And it’s an unstable element

[sharp knoll]

Nah I don't think so AE wanted to use something special to get exploded

[edgy pike]

i feel like nuclear suicide bombing quetz may be impractical

[icy onyx]

Maybe they thing that they are implanted into the robo quetz is an EMP

So maybe it was used to take down any signals to go by undetected

[acoustic osprey]

It looks like a drone, especially going over what the description of the Quetz was from Tap many years ago

[acoustic osprey]

Could just be one of those radioactive "Radiation Meters"

[acoustic osprey]

impractical and a waste

[acoustic osprey]

I'd say drone
If we're staying with whatever it's un-isle Tapwing description (what it was originally meant to be)

[edgy pike]

i dont see any other reason for the antenna so im sticking with drone for now (unless its an ai way of communicating with other things but i doubt it)

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[edgy pike]

Would be funny if one of the future trail cam vids we get is from quetz drone cam pov

Like tracking a rex that’s getting close to a building or something

[acoustic osprey]

lol

that'd be cool

Unless Seiza's project has something proper to do with lore 🙂

Wonder if that's a word next to "Reproduction"

[edgy pike]

What’s that screenshot from?

[acoustic osprey]

devblog from July

[sharp knoll]

That was what I want to send

you...

[edgy pike]

Ohhh I thought that was just the nesting trailer

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[sharp knoll]

It was Creation

[acoustic osprey]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/376210/view/3398547155057141877

[edgy pike]

What’s this highly requested format theyre on about

[acoustic osprey]

Lore-stuff, I hope

[edgy pike]

Staff training/briefing vids would be cool

SCP type stuff like the legacy loading screens

[acoustic osprey]

los pollos hermanos

[edgy pike]

But you can call me Gus

[acoustic osprey]

[edgy pike]

Giancarlo Esposito making an appearance in the isle as yet another cold calculating villain

[acoustic osprey]

Of course

Although, we haven't had much talk about "Replication"
Excluding the obvious "Replicator"

I don't believe it's linked with Nesting
But more so replicator herself

but how so?
If their "format" is lore-based/story telling (Like what Sea of Thieves has been doing) that'd be epic

[icy onyx]

But u can call me sus

[edgy pike]

Idk what SoT does but I like having the lore in scattered pieces most of the time with occasionally longer reveals

[edgy pike]

[acoustic osprey]

In terms of recently, they have been producing some nice short films both revolving around new content and lore

Although, the "scattered" pieces of lore is still something on the table in-game

However, I'd still love to see small hidden words in photos. Like with SoT's Twitter and Insta account

[edgy pike]

Good old fashioned Easter egg hunting

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-hunting-on-the-hunt-elmer-fudd-looney-tunes-gif-4712571

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-of-thieves-throw-up-barf-pirate-gaming-gif-24437592

[edgy pike]

I supposed it’s needs to be fairly consistent. I remember a Dondi twitter poll where people voted on the isle’s story “ending” to “destroy them spiritually” so it needs to be coherent enough for you to connect with what’s going on

[edgy pike]

Funny large rabbit

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, I remember voting for it

[edgy pike]

As did I

[acoustic osprey]

Although, Don has noted that we wont get a proper coherent story

For obvious reasons (This isn't a story single-player game)

[edgy pike]

I hope it’s like a more engaging level than something like The Forest

[acoustic osprey]

Definitely

[edgy pike]

Forest lore was still great from an environmental standpoint then just some funky looking cutscene stuff the end

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[edgy pike]

Which also reminds me of another Dondi tweet about wishing for a crossover which means there will hopefully be some similar story telling elements and hopefully plenty of fucked up science experiments to find

[acoustic osprey]

with PC?

[edgy pike]

Nah The Forest

[acoustic osprey]

Ah

[edgy pike]

Unless I’m talking out my ass

[acoustic osprey]

If only we could go back and see his tweets 🙂

[edgy pike]

Ah yes

[sharp knoll]

😔

[sharp knoll]

Twitter is sh#t

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[light flare]

I agree with @ruby geyser on #2 being most likely. The suits might be intended to prevent any transmission of biological contaminants to either party.

[acoustic osprey]

Thanks dondi
I can put this in my doc now

[quartz sundial]

lightclaw moment

[acoustic osprey]

^

[hexed flax]

I still don't get it

[pulsar moss]

maybe the robot quetz may have become hostile or the replicator may have take control over him

[acoustic osprey]

Lol

Many things within the name "Carrier"

[hexed flax]

Are you serious or just trolling? XD

[regal locust]

If we're going off of strains being something akin to a "disease", the Echidna could be the patient zero or the prime carrier of the Neurotenic strain, being the only thing that can potentially spread it.

Maybe AE found it in some ice, in some sort of artefact, etc. if not outright fabricating it themselves.

I'm trying to take the "carrier" quote there at face value, going along with the gif, it's possible that's the thing that creates neurotenic strains.

I remember asking Dondi a very long time ago, "Will strains be something you get entirely on your own, or are there lore relevant characters that may 'step in'", which he responded that I was somewhat close. I don't have the clip because they're all gone, but, I'd like to imagine it lends credit to the theory.

Which I hate because it's relying on metalore but y'know, whatever.

[edgy pike]

Would make sense as to why isle staff always seem to have protective clothing on