isle-lore-theories

[acoustic geyser]

Ah I see m, lowkey that’s weird if it’s gonna work like that but ig it seems cool to capture

But I mean selling and stuff idk how it’ll all work

[ruby geyser]

You won’t be selling anything in game

[acoustic geyser]

Good

[ruby geyser]

This conversation started because dondi said that utahraptor is gonna be renamed to something unique

So we’re speculating on what it will be renamed to

[acoustic geyser]

Oh what the heck why though

[ruby geyser]

So far all we know is that it won’t be called nova raptor

[ruby geyser]

Because it’s too far from the actual animal and there’s gonna be a more accurate utah down the line

One of the most popular theories is that it’ll be renamed to apolloraptor, and we were mostly arguing about the evidence for/against that

[acoustic geyser]

Oh so the current Utah isn’t close to how the real Utah raptor was ?

[ruby geyser]

Nope, the real utahraptor probably looked something like this

[acoustic geyser]

Yea I was going to say that didn’t they got some feathers

Sort of like the austroraptor

[old stone]

I'm just gonna say, in response to the argument that the dinosaurs were going to be showcased for money

That doesn't explain the replicator, strains, echidna, generation one, or the matriarch

So it's definitely something different from "zoo or park gone wrong"

[ruby geyser]

Generation 1 to me at least seems to make the most sense as an early attempt at cloning humans, or a human modification test gone wrong

They certainly don’t seem to be intentional considering how misshapen they are

And I never said a dinosaur park was how AE intended to make money. There’s plenty of other ways you could make money off of dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Not letting

It's just called self defence

[ruby geyser]

Could use non-lethal tranquilizers and nets for that though

[acoustic osprey]

It's mostly self defence from... The actual proper experiments

Like Gen 1, Hypers etc

[ruby geyser]

And going back to dinosaurs having escaped containment, if scientists and engineers were moved off the island even leaving their weapons behind, it seems likely that something caused that

[acoustic osprey]

No need for non-lethal when you can make them again

Especially because it's likely they don't have much moral concern for the dinosaurs

[ruby geyser]

I mean you could make more dinosaurs too itd just cost a lot of money

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, likely the Replicator
Gen 1, Echidna, etc

[ruby geyser]

What is the replicator/echidna/the matriarch?

[acoustic osprey]

Danger

Matriarch is not confirmed back

But The Replicator is an AI, like GLaDOS

And Echidna is a neuro strain human

[ruby geyser]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[ruby geyser]

Back to this, still seems like it’d be very expensive to cook up more hypo juice and use another one of your cloned dinosaurs to test it instead of just tranqing the one you already have

[acoustic osprey]

Likely because they can't?

At least, they've talked about such guns as Hyper-guns

[ruby geyser]

Good point

Wait what?

[acoustic osprey]

Alluding to the idea that Hypers, and maybe others, have very thick skin

[acoustic osprey]

The gun is heavily modified in killing/stopping Hypers

[ruby geyser]

Hmm

Only certain guns or all the guns mercs will find?

[acoustic osprey]

It'll be very rare for balance reasons, if ever introduced

And likely just one type of gun

[hexed flax]

Is this a bridge or a dam?

[acoustic osprey]

Looks like the bridge concept art

[hexed flax]

Nice

[acoustic osprey]

This is their dam design

which contains the same motif throughout the fence too

[old stone]

Late reply, but, tranquilizers are not effective at defending from animals

If you have a creature charging you, shooting it with a tranquilizer is just gonna make it mad

[acoustic osprey]

especially big, large and genetically made creatures

[old stone]

Exactly

For most tranquilizers it takes a few minutes to kick in

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[old stone]

And in that few minutes, you can get an exclusive trip to the afterlife, courtesy of the giant genetic monstrosity bearing down on you

So yeah, guns are the best course of action

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rapid chasm]

.50 bmg

makes me wonder how large assets like spino would live around humans. .50 BMG prob wont do shit to a tyrant like a spino, and most likely make it mad.

incendiary rounds would most likely deter it but at the same time be a pain to carry.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rapid chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkRyJCOuHc0

.50 would most likely deter something small if hit in the right place

[rustic nexus]

Actually, what’s interesting about that is they dont

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[icy onyx]

@sage cedar

[sage cedar]

I see

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[edgy pike]

could just be some random render/drawing for the sake of the art but maybe that background is based off "velada" as well as the dam stuff?

doesnt look like anywhere on spiro i dont think

[hollow thorn]

So I scrolled up and in regards to the debate about the dinos being sold, etc, I think it may be a military operation accompanied by scientists wanting to perform research on millions of years of history

[hollow thorn]

It could be that the military wants to create monsters/beasts they can control to fight for them while the scientists who also aid in organizing the whole operation, want to see if they can recreate life, humans, evolution and experiment with the limitations of science

[old stone]

Dinosaurs would be extremely cost inefficient for warfare

[hollow thorn]

I mean true, unless the operation is under scientific research and being funded as such

[old stone]

Even still

Animals are generally awful for warfare

Especially big beasts

[hollow thorn]

Yeah 🤣 but think about the times the cannibal was introduced and removed

[old stone]

Having something like a hyper on the battlefield would be like having elephants on an ancient battlefield, but worse

[hollow thorn]

They're definitely going beyond dinos

[void apex]

dogs are pretty much the best because easy to train and cheap

[ruby juniper]

dogs are send into war?!!??

[old stone]

And also used in a utility role, not a combat role

[void apex]

bruh, yes.

[ruby juniper]

[hollow thorn]

Im kinda thinking about all of the tropes in which government and military want these outlandish creatures for military use, like in the Alien franchise and in jurassic world

[old stone]

They're used to sniff out landmines and to perform searchable and rescue operations, they're almost never sent into active combat

[hollow thorn]

Of course everything goes wrong tho

[old stone]

Yeah I don't think it's that, at all

[ruby juniper]

okay but back to lore

[old stone]

Once again, dinosaurs would be absolutely awful for battle, as you have a big target that's going to die to any sort of modern weaponry

[void apex]

I guess Gen2s are possibly something like that

[old stone]

Like, "oh look, the enemy sent a hyper onto the field, it'd be a shame if we couldn't like, shoot it with tanks or just bomb it"

[void apex]

But I doubt it

[hollow thorn]

Which is where a creature like the cannibal comes in

[old stone]

Are you talking about the eyeless?

[void apex]

Also a hyper wouldn't even understand what is going on considering they are probably impossible to train due to their metabolism

[old stone]

Exactly, it'd be just as likely to turn on your guys as the enemies

[void apex]

They're fast, stupidly large, and as far as we know aren't exactly cognative

[ruby juniper]

you could technically make them eat all the enemies lifestock but not much else

[old stone]

That's sounds like a terrible waste of resources

[hollow thorn]

Imagine deploying or releasing said creature into enemy land

You're the only one who knows how it operates

[old stone]

If you want to get rid of enemy livestock, there are so many ways to do that that don't involve extremely expensive uncontrollable genetic monstrosities

[old stone]

Once again, just shoot it with modern weaponry, it'll go down sooner or later

Which is the reason why they are not cost efficient, you spend an enormous amount of time and resources making, raising, and feeding this thing just for it to die ten minutes into a battle

[hollow thorn]

But then whats the point of creating something like that to place on the island and leave there in the first place?

[void apex]

Probably pharmasutical reasons

[old stone]

We don't know, but military application would be the last thing they'd be used for

[void apex]

they're a bio engineering company

not a military branch

[old stone]

Exactly

[void apex]

Hyperendocrines are likely created to test out medicine
Neurotonics and Tissos were likely created for the same reason

H-colossus might have been a test on a human or tribal

However, the rude awakening of the abrupt changes in metabolism left them dubious and useless

Increased healing factor, strength, power and size might seem tempting at first

but you gotta eat high calorie food, and lots of it

hypers starve within a day or so

and the mutations work more like tumours or disease rather than a compliment to their life styles

whereas yes, the H-giga gets an increased surface area bite where it maximises bleed... it also has to physically dislocate its jaws to do so which puts it in great physical pain

[old stone]

I do really hope that strains morph over their existence, like, for an example, rex, they'd start out as something looking more similar the old hyper rex, and then slowly devolve into something that looks more like the new one

[strange shell]

I still think AE is conducting research on immortality or resurrection

[ruby geyser]

Ok the thing I dont understand about this theory is why AE is testing highly unstable pharmaceuticals on their very expensive dinosaurs

[strange shell]

The dinosaurs themselves may not be that expensive, since the replicator makes them

[ruby geyser]

The replicator still needs… some sort of material to make them though, yeah?

[strange shell]

Also AE may not have created the strains intentionnally
According to old lore neuro spino wasn't intentional and just... came to be somehow
AE said it should never be replicated

[strange shell]

That is the question
This might be why it requires sacrifices
But if it is advanced enough, it could convert any biomass into the same amount of biomass, but with a different shape
Tyranid-like

[acoustic osprey]

Neuro goo

[shell remnant]

Legacy lore is getting scrapped, so that may not be the case anymore.

[strange shell]

I know

[shell remnant]

i hope some lore is kept tho

PI vs Æ and all that

[strange shell]

Some of it is most likely gonna stay
Namely strains and the likes
I think Dondi said something and PI and AE recently, but I can't rememebr what it was
Well when I say "said something" it's more "posted a gif in response to someone asking something on the topic"

[light flare]

some lore was a direct mislead, like the "Cannibal"

so I'm excited to see how things develop from here

I hope they keep the crazy sci-fi stuff like Colossus and Matriarch, I like the idea of Primal Rage kaiju wars layered on top of realistic dinosaur sim

[acoustic osprey]

Which is more what we know as the Tribal name
With the Eyeless, old cannibal, with another name

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

If the name "Apollo" means anything to what it means with the Greek God

which we have seen, at least in the past, with names having a bigger meaning

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bwNxk.gif

[acoustic osprey]

oh please

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bVPbf.gif

[acoustic osprey]

better than nothing

[pseudo fable]

A shot in the dark that actually hit the target.

https://tenor.com/2XWu.gif

[acoustic osprey]

perfect

More notes to take down

[compact crag]

Hey yo dondi I dont want you to ban me or nothin bro but like i wanna add u as a friend on discord

so we can play carno together

[acoustic osprey]

not the best place to actually ask about that here

[compact crag]

idk man i tried to message him

its ok i messaged fred

[viral crescent]

lore as to how he got banned

[acoustic osprey]

❌

[compact crag]

what?????????

[wicked sable]

maybe the isle is just a silly dino game and we are simply insane

[acoustic osprey]

With or without, I'm still insane

So it allows me to analyse Isle's lore.
Or at least, come up with not great theories

[mystic rivet]

Nah we r just insane

[old stone]

Hey, your theories are pretty good

My theories, on the other hand...

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-way-no-time-noo-no-chance-gif-15465574

[ruby geyser]

Dondi just posts a funny gif every once in a while to keep us guessing

[acoustic osprey]

It's fun still

[light flare]

I may have run into Dondi playing VtM:Bloodhunt a couple months back. I immediately made a tarbosaurus reference and he said "oh my god" and disappeared. I felt kinda bad after.

[acoustic osprey]

This is why we will never know the full lore towards the isle

[astral shale]

ok so recap to isle legacy lore as far as I know, AE and PI are rival companies and they made dinosaurs on some isolated islands, thenyaw island, isle v3, and so on, then an accidental mutation caused the first strain, then at some point the facilities on the island were abandoned for some reason i dont know why. The companies continued to study the strains and eventually created the collosus a huge bulking hybrid creature, then created the matriarch, a hyper adapting creature that grows into whatever fits its habitat best, then they ran a couple tests or something with the matriarch. anyway that's all I know, very little and many holes in the story, but thats all I can remember off the top of my head.

[light flare]

May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins.

[acoustic osprey]

Mostly yes.
But no point needing to know about Legacy's lore

[astral shale]

why? because of evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[astral shale]

oh also whats with evrima lore? is there any yet? also what are these "elder dinos" that people i know have been saying are the new hypos?

[acoustic osprey]

No, they're definitely not the "new hypers"
As they're believed, from their old trello desc, to be link between strains and the actual "playable"

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

Two good documents to look at

[astral shale]

oh, so kind of like an in the middle?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[light flare]

As far as I'm aware Elders are a sort of wind-down phase after you reach the peak of the adult growth cycle. The longer you live the more positive genetic traits you can choose when you respawn. Strains have specific conditions that need to be met to achieve. You may or may not need to be born as a strain to be one I'm not sure.

[astral shale]

are they strictly to evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy development is stopped.
For which Evrima will be just The Isle

[astral shale]

oh, so basically when you reach the end of your life you can rebirth even stronger?

[astral shale]

dang, i have so many memories of legacy

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[acoustic osprey]

IF you do the proper milestones- for gameplay purposes

not sure about how it'll connect with lore

[astral shale]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[light flare]

I believe that's how the replication process was described at one point yes.

[astral shale]

hmm

[acoustic osprey]

however it'd happen

[astral shale]

that first document was helpful but mostly confusing, reading second one now

[acoustic osprey]

that was mine

That, however, is it currently going whatever is confirmed

None of the docs actually "Summarise" the lore

because... we can't

[astral shale]

right

XD

[acoustic osprey]

like, we're just getting pieces of lore.
Bit by bit

[astral shale]

right

[acoustic osprey]

welcome to the club

[astral shale]

how the heck does primal carnage tie into the isle?

[acoustic osprey]

Mostly because Don worked in PC

So, Phoenix International- until unconfirmed- is still canon to Evrima

[astral shale]

pc? as in personal comuter? or something else?

ok

[acoustic osprey]

Primal Carnage

[astral shale]

oh

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[astral shale]

what made the roar at the end of "Hope."

[acoustic osprey]

PCE Rex roar, iirc

[astral shale]

PCE?

[acoustic osprey]

(Magna rex)

[acoustic osprey]

Primal Carnage: Extinction

[astral shale]

so a magna rex is from primal carnage? and whats extinction? another primal carnage game? also does the fact the roar is in a development video for evrima mean that they are going to add it?????

[acoustic osprey]

PCE is PC's Proper "Second game"

the Magna Rex MIGHT come back, hopefully.

[astral shale]

so a sequel

was the magna rex ever in an isle game/version?

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy

the models are very similar
Just different skin

[astral shale]

why was it removed? also why were the hypos removed? also, could normal people ever play as hypers

?

[acoustic osprey]

They were experimental for Legacy
Not in terms of lore, but gameplay-wise
And Legacy stopped development around 2019

We'll likely see Magnas, Hypers, and other strains soon ™️
(A few years, hopefully)

[astral shale]

in evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

We'll likely see Magnas, Hypers, and other strains soon ™️
(A few years, hopefully)

Yes, likely

[astral shale]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

Well, probably some time after Evrima becomes the "main branch"

[astral shale]

right, after legacy is mostly forgotten

[acoustic osprey]

(which it'll no longer be Evrima. Just "The Isle")

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much, yeah

[astral shale]

right, no longer a beta but the whole game itself

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[astral shale]

what were all the versions/betas of the isle?

all i know is legacy and evrima

[acoustic osprey]

Evrima and Legacy
Alongside QA branch and other dev branches

but there have only been two official versions of The Isle

Legacy + Evrima

[astral shale]

i see, what was progression before it disapeared?

[acoustic osprey]

just a mode in Legacy

[astral shale]

and why are all the other isle maps gone?

[acoustic osprey]

Multiple reasons.
Either bad, buggy, wanted to make a new map

[astral shale]

i see

[acoustic osprey]

yea

[astral shale]

is this the replicator?

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

Replicator? Echidna?

[astral shale]

well my theory is that it is

[acoustic osprey]

Likely could be

[astral shale]

ok so is echidna a god? is echidna the replicator? are echidna and the replicator separate? is the replicator some sortof god?

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna is the (Adopted) "Mother of Cannibals"

Cannibals being the Tribals (Gen 1)

[astral shale]

the ones that slowly deteriorated into savages?

[acoustic osprey]

Already are

[astral shale]

and echidna is some sort of deity to them?

[acoustic osprey]

She's likely a Strained Tribal (Neurotenic)

So yeah, I bet she's pretty powerful compared to the Tribals

[astral shale]

ooh, so echidna may be a neurotenic that behaves almost like a queen towards the cannibals?

[acoustic osprey]

Queen/Mother
Yes

She's still a Neuro, till anything is stated
Her full proper name being "Neurotenic Mastermind"

[astral shale]

talking/influencing to them through telepathy possibly?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

[astral shale]

ok caught up on echidna now

[acoustic osprey]

If AE lost their "proper" control over Spiro.
I presume it was due to Tribals

To which, I presume Echidna might've had some link with it

[astral shale]

ok...

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah

[acoustic osprey]

Need to know anything else?

(or at least, any basis for anything else)

[astral shale]

i will ask as i read through

but nothing rn

[acoustic osprey]

no worries, stay well

[astral shale]

also whats your yt?

[acoustic osprey]

just "Lightclaw"
You wont find any lore stuff there yet as it's not worth right now

[astral shale]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

however, I might in the coming weeks.
So to go over what we know (especially sum up my doc)

[astral shale]

ok, ill be waiting.

[acoustic osprey]

[icy onyx]

Whaaaat?!

[astral shale]

?

[icy onyx]

I never saw that

Blood hand?

Is so creepy xd

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it's from a Dondi stream

[icy onyx]

Ooh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[icy onyx]

Yesterday I did my first nesting experience XD🤞🏻

[slim lagoon]

The isle
Subjects
When (tough= strong) dinos come out like (rex,spino,gigas,acro,trikes)come out stegosaurus gonna be so bad
PROOF:
1.Slow swing tail motion meaning can't hit a lot of hits and most probably less accurate hits and less hits
2. Same speed
3. Most important  alt is added into the game which cause  (no riding tails )

BUT stego was always worst than
"tough" dinos but stego will certainly need to be skilled to kill mediokers like (allo,sucho,Alberto)
PROOF
1."Mediokers" actually have biting speed as carno right now and more damage  and hp
2. Stego bad volume (more cool down between tail swings) and less efficiency  making it almost hopeless against a A small pack from 3 to 4  mediokers
3. Bad direction 
Meaning
In legacy stego had left click for left swing and right click for right swing
In evrima its different left click for bite bite keeps momentum  and right click for tail swing tail swing direct the way you're looking  that causes a lot of problems  because it swings the wrong way out of misjudgement of the game
If you have other thoughts let me know

It's a theory fell free to comment

[strange shell]

That's not a lore theory

[slim lagoon]

Well it's at least a theory

[tranquil kestrel]

its not a theroy

its a fact

[strange shell]

This channel is for lore theories only

[slim lagoon]

What does lore theory even mean??

[strange shell]

Theories about the game's lore

[slim lagoon]

Oh

Ok

[strong hill]

ok

[mystic rivet]

R u gonna post this everywhere

[jovial spruce]

stego is going to have more attacks when bigger carnivores come out anyway

[light flare]

Possibly in more ways than one. The choice of the name "echidna" is interesting because echidnas have a rare trait among mammals: They lay eggs.

[astral shale]

creepy

[light flare]

I had the good fortune of being able to pick through a bunch of older dondi twitch streams before they got purged. Neurotenic Spinosaurus is creepy as hell. 👀

[astral shale]

havent seen it

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[light flare]

the way it moves and the way it sounds really sell the spooky factor

top tier design

[astral shale]

HOLY FRICK

[acoustic osprey]

Can't wait to see if Echidna gets a proper model

[light flare]

I wonder how it even lives. Doesn't seem to have any mouthparts or sensory organs, but its physiology is definitely predatory. It's got a lot of juxtaposition built into its design, like being described as a female entity despite having visibly masculine body traits.

[acoustic osprey]

If Tap's art (I believe this one is unofficial, but the official one is the same design) is any indication
Likely one/or two of two ways:

1. The Piercing Fork hands
2. The tiny peeper hole

[fringe marsh]

It probably slurps stuff up through the hole on it's face. I recall it supposedly doing just psychic stuff.

[light flare]

Eye/Mouth Face Hole, high tier evolutionary trait. Darwin would be proud.

[light flare]

[pseudo fable]

Wrong message it responded to, but I remember the VtM encounter.

Carry on.

[light flare]

you're the best man, keep doing what you do

[pseudo fable]

Most of the team was watching that.

"Nowhere is safe. Not even haven."

[light flare]

tremere are always waiting for a tactical moment to shitpost

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

Very proud.
If Echidna was a normal being

[light flare]

man-made horrors beyond his comprehension

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

I do wonder though, for Evrima, if Echidna was made on purpose.
Or freak accident

and if Echidna is a Neuro Tribal/Gen 1 or just a normal human

[light flare]

Since it's described as the "mother of cannibals" I'd take that as an implication it predates them in some capacity. Given its name it may have literally birthed them or might have been a researcher that created them intentionally. I favor a headcanon where the Tribals originated from scientists that intentionally discarded their lives as homo sapiens and returned to a primitive lifestyle for the Replicator's promise of eternal rebirth.

[acoustic osprey]

predates
Either/or it's still pretty powerful over Tribals

Like, where Gen 1 is just "Human but bigger"
Echidna is "Human but a neuro strain, and bigger"

from what we were told in #transmissions (RIP)
She was the adopted mother

but, that can change because you know

Transmissions is dead

#isle-lore-theories message
and from this yesterday

One might presume the same thing with Tribals?

Along the line of trying to solve cancer/a solution for disease in-general

[light flare]

That and or can be interpreted in interesting ways, such as the researcher angle.

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/89510ea79070ecb68c43b95b78da8906

And with that.
Likely, Gen 2 is the more "Successful" and modern attempt to it

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
I'm just trying to go off what Don said about Transmissions

I have to think of it as "Dubious information"

unless we get some information, in the future, that revalidates #transmissions

[rustic nexus]

Dondi when lore drop

[acoustic osprey]

When you say "lore drop"
what do you mean exactly?

[rustic nexus]

That thing back in june dondi said he was going to give us

Not the full lore but a substantial bit

[acoustic osprey]

So: A large amount of lore/information given to us all at once?

[rustic nexus]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[light flare]

That's wise. I wonder what's actually controlling that transmitter. The Echidna is neurotenic...I wonder if it can interface with the comms technology. Maybe it was spreading disinfo about itself

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows.
The actual "voice" (in terms of literature) of that Transmitter seemed to fluctuate between transmissions.

I do say there could've been multiple characters controlling it?

[acoustic osprey]

Although, I do like getting "one piece at a time"

[light flare]

Usual suspects: Echidna, Replicator, Administrative AI that went bananas.

[acoustic osprey]

I presume some clerks from AE as well

[light flare]

I vaguely recall a piece of lore about some machine intelligence that mentioned it was killing or taking control of staff members. Can't remember the wording for the life of me.

[acoustic osprey]

I believe from the old Legacy loading screens

like this:

The first generation turned to worship. Results were hindered by the malignant passing down stories of how they came to be. Soon they stopped giving results at all. Echidna considered them all children

Definitely from someone, likely a scientist, within AE

but others?
Some were very orientated to "YOU"
whoever this person was, we don't know

Some were just statements or observations about Tribals

some were just logs, etc

[light flare]

I wonder what those "results" were.

[acoustic osprey]

true

It all depends on why Tribals were made in the first place

safe to say Strains were, originally, done for Medicinal purposes
But Gen 1?

[light flare]

Evolutionary baseline to determine fitness? Control group?

[rustic nexus]

O?

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

O strain
I wonder

Don compared O to M.
I presume not a proper "strain" and more so just "Dino but better"? If Magnas are still that

and/or "≤ Strain but more equipped for survival"

[light flare]

If current tribals worship the Replicator then this first generation may have been too peaceful. They were more interested in developing a creation myth as a baseline of culture. That's not useful if the research was directed toward more violent survival conditions. Informing them of what made them, turning them to Replicator worship, skips that step.

[acoustic osprey]

I presumed the term "first generation" just referred to Tribals themselves

as we see, right after:

After the fifteenth cycle their stories compiled into an archive they handed down through the generations. As their mental plateau deteriorated advanced cognitive functions, only the most basic and violent ideologies remained

the reference to "cycle"

Likely meaning they already planned to make "Mercs" (Gen 2) early on

[light flare]

Oh the mercs are gen 2? I thought they were trespassers.

[acoustic osprey]

But I believe they could've halted production of them depending on whatever happened for AE to leave Spiro

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yes, they're Gen 2
They're not even Mercenaries, funny enough

[light flare]

🤔

[acoustic osprey]

And most likely not even "Genetically modified men"
but "Genetically made humans"

[light flare]

now that's quite interesting I'll have to mull that one over

[acoustic osprey]

ah yes

the more you know now

[ruby geyser]

Well, we now know the hypo/neuro/tisso strains are created by experimental pharmaceuticals (or something close).

[acoustic osprey]

hyper 👁️

[ruby geyser]

So I assume the echidna could have been created when they moved on from dinosaur testing to human testing.

[ruby geyser]

What?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
From what Don said about Dalt's theory

it's likely that strains were made for medicinal reasons

[acoustic osprey]

they're not hypos, technically

[ruby geyser]

Why not

[acoustic osprey]

hypos would pretty much mean they'd have a very slow hormone system
being the exact opposite

[ruby geyser]

Oh lol

[acoustic osprey]

They're hypers
(Hyperendocrin[e])

[ruby geyser]

Yea you are right

[acoustic osprey]

sorry

[ruby geyser]

Anyways, this

Though why they tested them on dinosaurs first I’m not sure

[acoustic osprey]

Like why you would test products on an animal

before you do it on humans

[ruby geyser]

Yes but why use dinosaurs and not mice

[acoustic osprey]

Seeing as this is likely VERY experimental stuff.
PETA, or just the globe, likely didn't like the idea of testing on normal animals

maybe?

[ruby geyser]

I can’t imagine AE would make the testing public information.

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

[ruby geyser]

Yeah dondi probably has a reason

[acoustic osprey]

They made dinosaurs for a reason.
Have to give it a reason

But yes, we now can believe that the creation of strains were for medicinal reasons

[ruby geyser]

On the topic of what type of human echidna was made from; seems like AE would test with the gen 2’s since they are basically owned by AE

Don’t really need to make any compensation payments to the family if something goes wrong

Of course there’s also the possibility that echidna was made before the gen 2’s

[acoustic osprey]

Well, Gen 1 are also AE

[ruby geyser]

Yes but they definitely seem to have some… imperfections that could cause issues when testing

And probably wouldn’t provide an accurate model to what it would do to real humans

[acoustic osprey]

hm

[sharp knoll]

Too many organic resources?

[ruby geyser]

What exactly is the tissoplastic strain?

I tried to find where the name comes from to no avail.

All I know is that they look really spiny?

[acoustic osprey]

it's something

[hexed flax]

@acoustic osprey can you give me a recap of what happened in here while i was sleeping? XD

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
Only really just this

[hexed flax]

Thank you

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[astral shale]

wait, could you become a hypo in progression?

[acoustic osprey]

temporarily, you could get a Hyper Rex

[astral shale]

why did they remove it? also i'm watching a really old video of a guy playing as one.

[acoustic osprey]

Reasons I have no idea about

[astral shale]

oh.

[tender shard]

Is magna rex still canon?

[acoustic osprey]

Likely, yes

[shell remnant]

balancing issues

[acoustic osprey]

Pretty much

[green swan]

The isle? Balancing issues?
Preposterous

[analog pecan]

This game has lore? Someone give me a rundown

[acoustic osprey]

Uhhh

yes and no.
In terms of a rundown

[strange shell]

Man creates dinos
Man creates ||REDACTED||
||REDACTED|| destroys man
Isle becomes overrun by dinos
(Very basically)

There are more elements but pretty much nothing is confirmed

[green swan]

Will the lore ever be fully known?

[strange shell]

Yes
As soon as Dondi stops posting gifs in here and finally sends it to us

[green swan]

Dondi probably pops in here and laughs

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

Man also makes man twice

[strange shell]

I hear the echo of his mockery in my sleep

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[modern rover]

:(

[acoustic osprey]

who knows

could've been replaced with the "O" strain/variant

[loud gate]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-tm-soon-space-gif-23401891

[karmic wraith]

Was there yet to be a discussion about what would have been the first dinosaur the isle scientists would have created? I personally believe that it would have been an Psittacosaurus

[oblique surge]

Hard to say, I imagine they had a bunch of failed attempts with multiple species before they got it working right
Why do you think it might’ve been taco?

[karmic wraith]

Small, basal, relatively save to contain

[oblique surge]

Makes sense

[karmic wraith]

Basal species usually have an easier genetic code to recreate than instantly starting with an hyperion carno

[fringe marsh]

I feel like it doesn't get more basal than herrera.

[karmic wraith]

Herrerasaurus is a pure mess as far classification go and all tho I agree with you that it is more basal but herbivores like pisttaco doesn't have the potential to rip apart the entire science section

[fringe marsh]

I doubt a small group of herreras is that big of a threat to an actually trained armed group of guards.

[karmic wraith]

Not THAT small

[karmic wraith]

Also due to the fact that the creatures in the isle aren't actual dinosaurs but more so mutants resample dinosaurs and as far as Herrera goes it is 500 kilo that run at you with 62 kmh plus can see in the night

[random aurora]

500 kilo?

thats not right, herrera was like a deinonichus or smtn

[karmic wraith]

Irl yes in the isle however

[random aurora]

350 is more likely

[stoic void]

Their using the smaller herrera size

[astral shale]

"laughs manically" impossible.

[random aurora]

literally

[astral shale]

its constantly getting scrapped and re written very hard/impossible to follow

[random aurora]

I THINK (i clear this out meaning this is only to my knoledge and my opinion) that the game was moving too much towards a standard PVP, you play you progress you kill, start again, and now with Evrima, and all the new mechanics, they are heavily pushing for the survival aspect of the game. They grew tired of standing clear that the fight system in the future is not gonna be, o this dino has X chances of killing this dino with X amount of bites. its gonna be more complicated and centred on hunting tactics than mere stats

[astral shale]

right

[regal locust]

@acoustic osprey So you know how everything supposedly has a purpose? It's not really much of a theory that goes into something super duper deep, but, what if the transmitter being here is metalore for the transmitter/receiver being completely tossed out of discord and the like. Kinda cool to think about.

[hexed flax]

Thats a radar dish

[acoustic osprey]

Likely

[acoustic osprey]

Good question

And good theory, but who knows! I've never actually thought about it BUT I think Dondi would know.
He'll have a thing for everything

Plot hole? Here is why you're both dumb and why it's not a plot hole
etc

[light flare]

Well to be fair it's kind of a player density + development time thing right now. 100 players in a smaller force-shielded part of the map. AI for various species being worked on. I expect that long term players will be a little more insulated from eachother by distance and ambient fauna. Those PvP fights can end real fast if a small family of tyrannosaurs come charging out of the woods toward the sound of a fight.

[acoustic osprey]

And still yet again

On average, without TRYING to activately fight, you're going to be pretty alone for a good amount of time

[light flare]

Recently I logged in to just play around with Pteranodon, there's a lot of empty but I did run into some Deinos that tried to eat me and latched onto a tree to watch a big pack of Utahs try to bring down a Stego. It's fun to just spectate activity...if you can find it.

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[light flare]

The Stego thing was cool though, there was like seven Utahs, they all tried to go in at once and two went down to a tail swipe. The remaining Utahs surrounded the Stego and started trying to distract it while others pounced it.

[acoustic osprey]

A theory from someone who is interested in The Matriarch:

i mightve found a likely reason for the existence of matriarchs
so like they have the features of all known strainns right?
spiky tisso stuff , armor from hypos , expanded senses and intelligence from neuros , crocodile skin from magnas
what if
AE tried to combine all the strains into 1
and matriarchs came to be

This, however, doesn't acknowledge that we don't know if The Matriarch is coming back.
Not like we knew much about her anyways.

However, it's a good rough theory.

[light flare]

I adore all the upper tier sci-fi type of creatures in the lore and I sure hope she isn't on the chopping block. With a lack of solid information I like to imagine her, and potentially her offspring, as metamorphosizing to suit their environment. Maybe even copying genetic traits from its prey as it grows.

Carrying on with that thought: It could have killed and absorbed the traits of those strains making it a terrifically frightening predator. Somebody left a Hypo-Rex corpse half-eaten? Hot damn, what begins as a flying scavenger can quickly become a versatile killing machine and grow to apex proportions or more.

[brazen stream]

whats with the lore then?

ive been silenced

[woeful chasm]

Is Echidna not the matriarch?

[acoustic osprey]

No, just a neurotenic human/Tribal

Still would love to know though
Mutated Tribal? Or just normal but mutated Human?

I say tribal

[woeful chasm]

shows what I know I guess lol

[acoustic osprey]

Lol, understandable

You haven't used this channel properly in ages- so it's understandable

And we lack so much too

[acoustic osprey]

As again with Update 5.
I've seen no differences within the map that alludes to anything lore-wise worthy

[acoustic osprey]

So, Isla Velada is actually an old name

From Filipe, it's apparently Gateway

Which means the video in Phase Three is likely that new area

"Apollo Gateway"

[sharp knoll]

Tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

I mean... If it's Gateway now...

I think i could literally be called Tartarus

[sharp knoll]

lol

We'll see that if Dondi didn't changed the Lore again

[acoustic osprey]

true

Man, Velada was a cool name

I'm still gonna call it Velada unless it actually is Tartarus

[sharp knoll]

Well yeah...

I mean Tartarus is a Greek myth, iirc it's a cage of titans

and Velada means vailed

[acoustic osprey]

In Spanish

[sharp knoll]

So tbh Tartarus sounds more like a containment

[acoustic osprey]

Velada (the map, not name) could be that containment

depends on how The Replicator works, and others etc

Like, is The Replicator just limited to one island? Or is it able to traverse itself? (Somehow)

[sharp knoll]

A machine that can traverse, that is a crazy machine

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[sharp knoll]

[acoustic osprey]

^

[sharp knoll]

ok this one is better because it has wheels lol

[pure cloud]

i dont know morse code, but if ya look at the bottom left side of the main menu screen in evrima there are three orange dots flashing... i wonder if it means something lol? just wanted to say that somewhere haha. (if anyone translates this please tell me, its probably nothing but i thought it was cool)

[rustic halo]

Aren’t Tartarus and Gateway separate places

Ik Tartarus was a high level containment facility

Idk much about Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

we literally have nothing about Gateway

as to I am talking about Velada now being Gateway

[acoustic osprey]

so apparently

the gateway in #isle-phase-three is also in Gateway, the Island?

[shell remnant]

alr so I have a theory about the Replicator. Essentially, it's an AI that uses technology to read people's thoughts and then synthesize something from those thoughts to create whatever they were thinking about. The reason that the dinosaurs are inaccurate is because they were all created in the 90's when it comes to Spiro, and paleontology back then is not the same as now (obviously). The reason, I think, on why the Magna looks so much like the Primal Carnage Tyrannosaur is because the PI Rex was alive at the time, and Æ wanted something more powerful than their current Rex, saw the Phoenix version, then went to the Replicator to create their own, but better. Thus, Magnatyrannus. I also think the Replicator is fully self aware and created the Neurotenic Spino by itself, and hid its true intentions from Apollo until it had the right time to strike. this was probably a bit confusing lol, i'll try and come up with a better theory on this in a google doc or smth

So yeah the Replicator can make more than dinosaurs, mutant dinosaurs, and humans. I think it can create literally anything that it is REASONABLY able to create

So it can't make, like, a black hole or smth, but it can make creatures masquerading as dinosaurs

and cars n stuff

So yeah

It's like SCP-914

[ruby geyser]

If it’s dinosaurs were based on 90’s paleontology why would hypsi be feathered

To me it makes more sense that AE was trying to make the most marketable dinosaurs possible

Which is why utah (or apolloraptor, whatever it’s called) looks like the JP raptor

And hypsi is feathered because it makes it cuter

As for the strains I don’t think the replicator made them already mutated, since the strains are pharmaceuticals it makes more sense to me if they were tested on normal adult dinosaurs

[shell remnant]

Well, as I said, the Replicator has a mind of its own, so it could have made various assets AFTER the islands were abandoned

so stuff like Ovi, Hypsi, Austro, and Beipi could have been made more recently in EVRIMA canon

And that would make sense because Austroraptor was discovered in 2008, Beipi was described in 1999.

[shell remnant]

Neuro Spino was a mistake, if I remember correctly. So Replicator probably made that. Other strains, maybe they were created without the Replicator at first, but once they existed, then the machine could have started producing those.

[ruby geyser]

It being a mistake might have only been part of legacy lore

[shell remnant]

no, it's def still canon

[icy onyx]

[strange shell]

How tf is Utah marketable
"Ok so here's this raptor, highly intelligent but that doesn't obey any order, it's not feathered so it cannot survive in cold climates but it's highly aggressive and can tear a human to pieces in mere seconds. Also it's super fast but very fragile." Who would ever want to buy that ?

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo doesn't seem to be doing this to sell animals

From Dondi's comment earlier, it's likely called based around medicine

[nocturne cosmos]

why dinosaurs is the question really

[acoustic osprey]

Probably because easier to get away with things

[nocturne cosmos]

how tho

[acoustic osprey]

It's the 90s/80s
What's ethics?

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah but why dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Probably because making a dinosaur isn't ethically bad

[nocturne cosmos]

wouldn't any other animal's do just fine and be easier

[acoustic osprey]

This is during a time when people thought dinosaurs were literally still terrible lizards

Excluding a small handful of people, being paleontologists

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah but why not just use dogs? or anything other then dinosaurs really

i mean they had to go out of their way to bring dinosaurs back to life just to test on them like?

[acoustic osprey]

Because of the very reason above

Dinosaurs are bad and dangerous monsters
Testing on them is fine!

[nocturne cosmos]

ethics?

[acoustic osprey]

This

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah but the same could be said for alot of aniamls esppiecly if this is 90s/80s

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, true.
But choosing dinosaurs means they're on "barely care list"

They would be the least of anyone's worries

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah but you have to go through the effort of brining them back to life just for that when once again their would still be aniamls you could use without worry

[acoustic osprey]

Well they still did use modern animals

[nocturne cosmos]

also if they did manage to bring dinos back to life i can see people still trying to protect them due to it being a giant scientific discovery

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

It would realistically depend on how people did look at dinosaurs

And we have to remember this isn't true present times

[nocturne cosmos]

i just dont get why dinos because ethics wouldn't have been an issue

[acoustic osprey]

Well there isn't really anything till dondi says something

[strange shell]

I think they rather made dinos either because they had a great opportunity to resurrect them and wanted to try it out, or maybe because the "strain" process is only possible on dinos (until they managed to make it work on humans maybe)

[acoustic osprey]

Who knows

Good opportunity
They're also probably trying to cure REAL diseases through strains
They have a lot of "positives" for what they're doing

Seemingly

[ruby geyser]

What corporation wouldn’t want to have a utahraptor? “Hey kids, come to our zoo/theme park/museum, we have the raptors from Jurassic park!” Seems like a pretty good way to make money. Doesn’t matter how aggressive the utahraptor is, especially since, like you said, it’s fragile enough to be contained.

[acoustic osprey]

Because it's not a zoo/theme park or museum

[ruby geyser]

I don’t see any reason for them to make dinosaurs if there wasn’t a profit motive, whether that be from selling the dinosaurs themselves or studying the dinosaurs for medical research.

[strange shell]

Seems like a pretty good way to get screwed over
If they like the raptors because of Jurassic Park, they surely don't want JP raptors in their zoo

[acoustic osprey]

They're profit is selling medication

Hence why Strains were made

[ruby geyser]

I wasn’t saying AE is making a zoo themselves, just that they could sell the dinosaurs to other corporations who are.

[acoustic osprey]

all their creatures likely either die on Spiro/AE-soil
or thrive there

The only thing AE needed to sell, originally, is medicine through Dinosaur-based testing

[ruby geyser]

Adding onto this, I wonder why they have their medical test subjects loose on the island

Or if the dinosaurs escaped somehow

[acoustic osprey]

No, they've definitely all gone wrong

Daltonius
“Hypers… are likely created to test out medicine
Neurotenics and Tissos were likely created for the same reason
H-colossus might have been a test on a human or tribal, however, the rude awakening of the abrupt changes in metabolism left them dubious and useless; Increased healing factor, strength, power and size might seem tempting at first but you gotta eat high calorie food, and lots of it.
Hypers starve within a day or so and the mutations work more like tumors or disease rather than a compliment to their life styles whereas yes, H-giga gets an increased surface area bite where it maximizes bleed… it also has to physically dislocate its jaws to do so which puts it in great physical pain”

...

Dondi
“A shot in the dark that actually hit the target”

[ruby geyser]

Yes, I’m aware of the strains being experimental medicine

I still don’t see the reason for testing on dinosaurs though

When they could just clone mice or something

[acoustic osprey]

We don't know

[ruby geyser]

I suppose it’s possible that the dinosaur strains were never meant to be created

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
This

[ruby geyser]

I don’t see them making dinos “just to try it out” seems a bit too expensive

[acoustic osprey]

Well, from Don's statement
Likely no

Each strain has a reason to exist
AE just didn't know what the reaction to be from creating such things
Especially the a "longer effects" on an animal

[ruby geyser]

I know, I meant specifically it’s possible the strains were never meant to be used on dinosaurs

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe.
Likely not.

How does an animal just become a strain

if you have many other, of the same animal, as non-strains

[ruby geyser]

I mean we don’t really know how the strains work in depth.

Are they born with it? Is it an injection? Pills?

[acoustic osprey]

Well, how they were made? Yeah we don't know

[shut remnant]

hey I swear gateway has been mentioned in lore before

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-phase-three

Apollo Gateway

[shut remnant]

no

[acoustic osprey]

oh, Tartarus

[shut remnant]

ye, I pooped my pants a little when I heard filipe say gateway lmao

[acoustic osprey]

We all did here

(Me and one other)

[shut remnant]

lmaoo, I love isle lore but there hasn't been any new things to discuss for a while so I haven't been talking here much

anyways it's sick to see some of those old lore things finally come around once again

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
Seen the new stuff?

[acoustic osprey]

Hopefully refined

[shut remnant]

oh ye I had a look, and ye I'm sure a lot has changed since then but it's still nice to see it

[acoustic osprey]

yea

[sharp knoll]

Who is he?

👀

[acoustic osprey]

at the time

[acoustic osprey]

[sharp knoll]

hmm

[shut remnant]

considering the text says that gateway is meant for transporting something to tartaus, I can't wait to see what kind of human structures are going to be on the map

[acoustic osprey]

A proper Atrium

[sharp knoll]

Well Tartarus is like a containment, so probably something alive...

[acoustic osprey]

Strains and/or Gen 1

[sharp knoll]

Might be

[acoustic osprey]

yea

[tender shard]

What is Tartarus

[sharp knoll]

It's a greek myth, a place/cage of titans

[acoustic osprey]

^

in this case, the failed BIG projects for AE

[sharp knoll]

But in lore it looks like a containment for... strains?

[void apex]

It's a containment for everything AE iirc

[sharp knoll]

Maybe...

[acoustic osprey]

Everything bigger, for AE

Spiro isn't tartarus, as far as we know
Spiro is like the Site-A for AE

Gateway (Velada) is likely this Tartarus
Containing the more dangerous side of AE's projects

[shut remnant]

well in the lore gateway is started as a facility used to transport things to tartarus

[sharp knoll]

Well Tartarus is actually a place but where we don't know

[shut remnant]

so I don't think it's tartarus itself, however it is still likely to contain AE projects on their way to tartarus

[acoustic osprey]

Could be Gateway
Gateway could literally both have Apollo Gateway and a gateway into Tartarus

Gateway could be the passage-way island

[sharp knoll]

I thought Tartarus was dead because is very old

[shut remnant]

ye, it's possible tartarus isn't an island at all and gateway is just the island used to transport to it

tartarus could maybe be underwater or a floating artificial structure, and in that case it would probably make sense to build it offshore from an island, and that island can then act as a "gateway"

[acoustic osprey]

Either/or
Gateway could still had been used as the place they created the "Larger Projects"

Tartarus being more recent? Who knows

[acoustic osprey]

The RAFT

but underwater

@bold crater I know you love underwater stuff

[acoustic osprey]

How bout this Dock?

[shut remnant]

what's that from?

[void apex]

spiderman for ps4 I think

[bold crater]

I remember ages ago when Dondi revealed a bunch of concept art on a stream, there was some water base similar to that 😮

[sharp knoll]

Hmmm

the lagoon?

[bold crater]

🤷 I just remember it being either a model or colored concept of a base just sitting in the middle of the sea 😛

[sharp knoll]

Ohh

my bad

[bold crater]

[void apex]

I know what you're talking about

[sharp knoll]

Do you have the picture of the concept or model

[void apex]

This?

[bold crater]

I do not sadly ;o; This was long ago

YEAH EXACTLY THAT!

[sharp knoll]

Ohh this one

Now I remember

[sharp knoll]

But that couldn't be Tartarus

[shut remnant]

hmm it's unlikely to be but it does seemingly set the precedent for offshore structures that AE uses

[tender shard]

Ah, as always, when a new map is just announced, everyone expects lore details from it, and as a result of information,but it gives no more

[shut remnant]

<@&933486433342222376>

[shut remnant]

I mean the new map is literally named after something previously in lore

[acoustic osprey]

Marvel comics

[acoustic osprey]

[acoustic osprey]

Well yes

Filipe said it contained lore stuff.
But yeah, waiting for more dondi stuff

[tender shard]

How long ago was this posted?

[void apex]

4 years ago

[acoustic osprey]

Very long ago

[edgy pike]

I wonder if that aviary from the devblog is gonna be on Spiro or Gateway

Or just both actually

[sharp knoll]

Spiro

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

I can see Alphonse being contained in Gateway

[edgy pike]

I mean the aviary design is pretty non-specific, the whole point is it’s a contained environment so you can put them anywhere really

[acoustic osprey]

With your normal quetz and/or Pteras being in Spiro

[edgy pike]

That still a thing post-transmitter death?

Ig if the primal lore still applies

[acoustic osprey]

Yes.
Who knows, they might just serve as AE's Atriums

[acoustic osprey]

No idea
But seeing as Colossus and Echidna are reconfirmed
I'm hoping Alphonse is too

[edgy pike]

Oh nice glad they’re still around

[acoustic osprey]

Definately

No idea on Reaper though

[edgy pike]

Not sure if this is confirmed lore or a one-off Dondi comment but weren’t some of the location from Primal carnage meant to show up in some maps later on

[edgy pike]

Well the whole Tisso thing is getting redone right?

[acoustic osprey]

If still planned, yes

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe
All depends on the current situation between PC themselves and what Dondi wants

[edgy pike]

Well current day PCE stuff is nothing to do with right? Isle lore only uses the original PC I thought

[sharp knoll]

No

[acoustic osprey]

A very small amount of PC stuff we've actually seen

[sharp knoll]

Not only PC

[acoustic osprey]

PCE? Barely

Everything is barely

[sharp knoll]

But it's own

[acoustic osprey]

PCG

[edgy pike]

The Contingency aviary map is PCE only actually but I think it’s referenced in some old lore actually idk

[edgy pike]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-eggcat-gif-25127046

[sharp knoll]

Well... talking about the transmissions...

[acoustic osprey]

[edgy pike]

Losing PCG and TSL was too much for me

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Let's say PCG is TI now

[edgy pike]

~~but PCG is a prequel ~~

[sharp knoll]

It was cancelled

[edgy pike]

Yeah but I mean the story was a prequel and TI is set after

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[tender shard]

What game stuff from PC could theoretically appear in TI?

Novaraptor,as I understand is utah H/M strain

[sharp knoll]

No

Utah is not Utah

Community called it Appoloraptor now

[tender shard]

Ahh, now I understand.Utah is AE's copy of PI nova

But it seems that in game will be only one raptor

[shut remnant]

atrium B>

[sharp knoll]

We'll see about that

[edgy pike]

The headcannon appearance I had looked nothing like the map that ended up in PCE and I’m still in denial

And it had no Kaprosuchus in it

[tender shard]

It would be interesting if people can use weak versions of strains on themselves, which will give some of the effects of this strain, while not turning themselves into a mutant. In short, very rare and expensive drugs that give buffs.

[tender shard]

But these will be something like a drug that you can become addicted to, and if you go too far with a dose, you turn into a monster.

[acoustic osprey]

Temp V

Is this the normal temperature for Swamps/Water in tropical areas?

[ruby geyser]

Seems a bit warm but not unreasonably so

Especially if it’s stagnant water

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah

[ruby geyser]

this might be a long shot but I think Gateway might be located somewhere off the coast of the British isles, specifically towards the north.

We’ve seen at least some of the biomes it’ll have and we know it will have a colder climate than isla spiro based on the things dondi posted.

That means the “jungle” is probably something like a temperate rainforest, some of which are located throughout the British isles.

The area we saw in the teaser was probably the highland biome, which looks similar to the Scottish highlands.

I could also see it being off the coast of the Pacific Northwest, which also has similar biomes.

(Image #1 is gateway’s biomes, #2 is the teaser screenshot #3 is the Scottish highlands and #4 is a temperate rainforest)

Thoughts?

[acoustic osprey]

It's likely this place is based off New Zealand and Scotland

Unlike InGen, AE probably has a lot more capability to control the environment in a geographical and maybe even meteorological sense

Although, less so exaggerated if we are still getting biomes

Which would mean AE can create proper environments, but within a certain mode

[edgy pike]

Yeah terraforming has always been brought up with Æ before

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[icy onyx]

[acoustic osprey]

May or may not be utahraptor name change

"##liraptor"

After some decoding, it could likely be Omniraptor

[river ocean]

Or Oxiraptor..

[acoustic osprey]

compare the third letter to the N in teno

[acoustic osprey]

4 letters in the first word of the name, so a bit too short with three

[acoustic osprey]

the first letter contains a very circular construction

[river ocean]

Matriarch still in lore?

[acoustic osprey]

We're not too sure, not reconfirmed

[sharp knoll]

So Omniraptor could be the new strain, the Type-O

[acoustic osprey]

Hmm

Well, it's definitely Utah

[sharp knoll]

For now

[acoustic osprey]

?

The name or model?

[sharp knoll]

The model

And someone said the O-Quetz, Omnicoatlus

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, although I don't see current Utah being one version of the O strain

But, it could be

Like
It's a lot more creative than just "O Utah" I guess

Although, yeah 😬

Maybe more something in the future, where Utah isn't one of the main few playables

[sharp knoll]

Yeah...

[carmine marsh]

it makes sense.

Type-M animals weren't called "M insert animal name here", you had magnaraptor and magnatyrannus.

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

And Don pretty much compared O to M

[sharp knoll]

Looks like O is M

[carmine marsh]

so, type O right.

Omniraptor and Omnityrannus.

[acoustic osprey]

Or
O is AE's better version of PI's M

[sharp knoll]

and Omnicoatlus

[acoustic osprey]

Omniminmi

[sharp knoll]

[sharp knoll]

Might be

[acoustic osprey]

Could be

[sharp knoll]

I mean Omni is not bad

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Omnicoatlus and Omnityrannus sound good for me

[acoustic osprey]

Let me open my stream file, just to get a better view of the name

Then I'll put it in my doc as unconfirmed

But speculative

[carmine marsh]

do we know anything about the "type-O" strain yet? or if it even is a "strain"? (if memory serves Type-M wasn't considered a strain in the end, in dondis words, "natures way of fighting back")

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, Magna is more of a variant

"You but better" of a species

And more sustainable

[sharp knoll]

"Perfect Hyper"

[acoustic osprey]

So for Omniraptor
It'd still make sense

[sharp knoll]

Agreed

[acoustic osprey]

And, like the Magna Utah design, our current Utah (Omniraptor) doesn't look too Overdesigned

So it'd still make sense

[tender shard]

O strain is a joke,right?

[sharp knoll]

No

[tender shard]

[carmine marsh]

#isle-discussion message

[tender shard]

holy

[acoustic osprey]

Yep

[sharp knoll]

So Magnaraptor is Omniraptor

[carmine marsh]

sure looks that way.

[acoustic osprey]

And/or
Almost the exact same

[tender shard]

"Magna" sounds better than "Omni"

Change my mind

[sharp knoll]

O could be the prototype of AE

[carmine marsh]

which means we've had a type-M (O now) variant in the game the entire time

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[sharp knoll]

Since M is from PI

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[tender shard]

For a reason that PCE is other game,which is not bought by Dondi,can it be problem integration PC in isle lore?

[sharp knoll]

Confirmed

[acoustic osprey]

We knew name change was confirmed

Just punch won't confirm the name

[sharp knoll]

There you go

Now is Omniraptor

Not bad I'm good with it

[river ocean]

<@&933486433342222376>

[tender shard]

Why

[river ocean]

That off-topic

[tender shard]

Oh

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/c77f8a696404d4402fa0a74090786b61
Nah, too blurry on the actual file

[sharp knoll]

We already got the name pretty sure

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, well no

nothing confirmed
just wanted to check if I had a more higher resolution name from the original file of the stream

But it's just Filipe's bitrate that ruins the quality of the words

[sharp knoll]

Hmm what about files? Maybe it's updated...?

[acoustic osprey]

Could be

but I have no way of getting files, unless someone on reddit does it without us realising

[sharp knoll]

We'll see

[acoustic osprey]

definitely

section has been added in my doc

[sharp knoll]

Let me check

[river ocean]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wRF05lnHGo1OQe3ovpZ0PaHolKFNHLxjDaxuGvxhaow/edit#heading=h.7n9u8rx7wa78

[sharp knoll]

Never mind I've already found it and read it but thanks

[acoustic osprey]

if there are any issues, just @ me

[sharp knoll]

Nope everything is fine

[acoustic osprey]

aight, thanks

[mellow solstice]

Looking like something raptor, can’t make up what the 4 letters

[sharp knoll]

Well it looks like is Omniraptor

[acoustic osprey]

Likely omni

[rustic nexus]

All thief

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[rustic nexus]

Has a nice ring to it

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah

[rustic nexus]

Where did you find this lightclaw

[acoustic osprey]

Filipe stream

[rustic nexus]

O okay

[slow delta]

They could at least put some lore sauce in the camera trail videos jeez

I think only one of them ever had anything worthwhile, the rest were just normal teasers

[void apex]

Pachy one had a lot of substance

I am gonna try to find similarities within the ones we have

All other trailcams had S2_6###, whereas the new one is S2_9###, potentially implying that it might be something substantially different

Ceratosaurus trailcam:
S2.6394
Pachycephalosaurus field observation:
S2.6143
Troodon trailcam:
S2_6548
Beipiaosaurus trailcam:
S2_9543

A noticeable skip

[oblique surge]

Any chances its related to beipi being recorded on water while the others were all on land?

[frank roost]

Gigantoraptor maybe? Looks like something they might do?

[ruby geyser]

Nah, that definitely says omniraptor

[frank roost]

Yes it does but no such thing as omniraptor, gigantoraptor May have Been omnivore

[fringe marsh]

Ah yes, and there are "magnatyrannus" and "mangaraptors" irl.

[sonic rampart]

We were told our current utah would receive a new, fictional name to make room for an accurate utah playable down the line

[fringe marsh]

I HATE ACCURATE UTAH I HATE ACCURATE UTAH

[ruby geyser]

Cope accurate utah is good

[fringe marsh]

No

Accurate utah is cool, but wouldn't work in the game. Slow as hell.

[ruby geyser]

Just because the design is accurate doesn’t mean they can’t change the stats lol

Irl utah probably didn’t even pounce things

[fringe marsh]

So we'll have something with short, stumpy and bulky legs sprinting super fast? And what kinda gameplay will this accurate utah give us that isn't given already?

[ruby geyser]

Oh, I agree on the gameplay aspect. Personally I think they should replace our current utah with a more accurate design, the JP ripoff sucks

[fringe marsh]

I couldn't care less, but an accurate utahraptor would be unviable I think.

[ruby geyser]

And idk about you, but this thing looks like it could sprint pretty fast to me

[sonic rampart]

Let's keep this channel related to the lore, please

[ruby geyser]

Sorry

[fringe marsh]

Utah irl is a rather brawny animal with shorter legs when compared to other raptors.

Yeah, we should take this to #isle-discussion

[sonic rampart]

Thanks guys!

[ruby geyser]

Lore time

It seems odd to me that AE would name type-O dinosaurs differently than type-H or type-N dinosaurs (E.g. Omniraptor as opposed to Neurotenic Spinosaurus) so maybe this indicates the strains are different from omnis and magnas?

Maybe the Omnis are created from birth as opposed to being transformed like the other strains, so they designate a different genus

[fringe marsh]

Maybe omni/magna's are a purposeful creation while the strains are accidents? Maybe omni/magnas are created by a different company? Maybe the strains were created first then the omni/magna's were created second and sorta perfected.

[ruby geyser]

Well we do know that the magnas were created by phoenix industries originally

[strange shell]

What proves Omniraptor is a type-O ?

[ruby geyser]

There’s no hard proof, but from what dondi said we know type-O’s are meant to be the better type-M, and Omniraptor follows the naming conventions of type-m’s

[acoustic osprey]

It's likely, just head canon IF omnis are a proper strain/variant
That Omnis are AE's version of Magnas (Magnas being made by Phoenix International)

[shell remnant]

imagine if it's just Oviraptor and we're all overthinking this

and there is another name for Utah

[sharp knoll]

No if it was ovi it needed to have 3 letters before raptor

[acoustic osprey]

I know, that is what I originally thought when watching Filipe's stream

[sharp knoll]

Same

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah, to what Electric said, it's too long for Ovir and there was no utahraptor on the admin selection

[ruby geyser]

I mean dondi said “O > M” which kind of implies some sort of relationship

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[ruby geyser]

Though yeah it’s possible omni isn’t what O stands for and it’s just a coincidence

[acoustic osprey]

hence why I'd say O is literally M
Just AE's version of it

[acoustic osprey]

Yes, it could just be a very big coincidence

[still nacelle]

Hey i have a theory that isle and primal carnage are connected. So if you slow down the "hope" trailer, you could see the phoenix corp logo, which is the corporation in primal carnage, also, in primal carnage, you could see blueprints for a pterosaur that looks really similar to the isle quetz. Buts thats just a theory, A G A M E T H E O R Y

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hushed zodiac]

I would wanna know the theories about strains and the eldering system in the game. Would strains have been something that escaped from a lab and took over the island once a dino got to a certain age? There's also strains that have affected humans as well, which may have been test subjects/accidents, and developed into the Neurotenic Mastermind (mother of cannibals) and the Tissoplastic Reaper (Chosen of the Humans)

[acoustic osprey]

Strains were made for medicine.
Something something, due to the abrupt change in metabolism for Hypers, etc- went crazy

Echidna (Neurotenic Mastermind)? We don't know besides she's coming back
Reaper? Not reconfirmed, likely getting a large rework
Alongside Colossus (H-Human), which is reconfirmed and likely not getting much changes

[hushed zodiac]

Yeah Echidna is no longer known if she's making a comeback

[acoustic osprey]

No she is
With Colossus

Reaper? Dead silence

Daltonius
“Hypers… are likely created to test out medicine
Neurotenics and Tissos were likely created for the same reason
H-colossus might have been a test on a human or tribal, however, the rude awakening of the abrupt changes in metabolism left them dubious and useless; Increased healing factor, strength, power and size might seem tempting at first but you gotta eat high calorie food, and lots of it.
Hypers starve within a day or so and the mutations work more like tumors or disease rather than a compliment to their life styles whereas yes, H-giga gets an increased surface area bite where it maximizes bleed… it also has to physically dislocate its jaws to do so which puts it in great physical pain”

...

Dondi
“A shot in the dark that actually hit the target”

But no, Echidna is definitely coming back

with or without being actually playable

[hushed zodiac]

mb lol i reversed echidna and reaper lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hushed zodiac]

Echidna I'd imagine would be a mass controller

And she'd be one of the most intelligent out of everything

I'm not sure about gameplay but lore-wise/through cutscenes/etc. I feel like it would help develop The Isle's story

The test to create medicine feels like it ended up into something much more greater than humans could handle/anticipate

As hyper types feel like it's not controllable due to it's insatiable hunger and strength

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[pseudo fable]

||If it looks like an omniraptor and quacks like an omniraptor, it's probably an omniraptor.||

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-good-pointing-thinking-impressed-spiderman-gif-16390742

[sharp knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-fring-gif-26495658

[acoustic osprey]

Take that as a yes no maybe, probably; Likely?

[sharp knoll]

First

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully

[slate holly]

Guys I have question if primal carnage and the isle are connected why don’t the rex raptors spino carno and others look different

Are they made by different companies

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

And PC's Rex is a manga rex

[slate holly]

Oooohhhhhhh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[slate holly]

So one’s trying to make awesome bro beasts when the others trying to make kind of accurate versions

Since we are mentioning pc can I ask IS THE DILO CLUBHOUSE CANON???

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo (and maybe Phoenix) at least are making medicine through Strains

[edgy pike]

Hopefully lol

[slate holly]

Good

[mystic rivet]

can it quack?

[acoustic osprey]

likely, yes

well let's hope so

[mystic rivet]

ok

[acoustic osprey]

[meager fog]

What’re the confirmed Dino’s that are afflicted by strains?

[acoustic osprey]

Rex, Utah, carno, spino, humans (likely Tribals), quetz,

Giga

Including the there are multiple of the same

[hexed flax]

Iirc magnas are supposed to be perfectly balanced between hyper and normal dinosaurs. So i don't see how Type-O could be better

[acoustic osprey]

Likely if Magnas stay towards the "Phoenix side"

Where O's would theoretically be AE's adaptation of Magnas

[past mason]

What is Magnas?

Man I have a lot to learn

[acoustic osprey]

Phoenix made "Strains"
But they're not really strains?

More so variants

Hypers but more sustainable

[past mason]

What is phoenix?

[acoustic osprey]

Phoenix International
Primal Carnage's "Lore company"

[past mason]

Wait, did dondi confirm this without confirming it?

[past mason]

What is echidna?

And colossus?

[acoustic osprey]

sounds like it

[acoustic osprey]

Echidna is the Neurotenic Mastermind, basically a "Neuro Human"
Colossus is the same, but a "Hyper Human"

[past mason]

Wth is AE cooking in their labs?

[acoustic osprey]

A way to help people, at least- they thought

[past mason]

Wow, the lore is actually scary

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[past mason]

I love it

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[past mason]

A way to help people?
I doubt that creating genetically modified monsters is helping

[acoustic osprey]

No, strains were originally made
At least, taking off from Don's cryptic statements, originally done to help for medicine

[past mason]

Wow, I want to know more but I don't want to bother you

[acoustic osprey]

no it's ok

[past mason]

Explain strains

Pls

[acoustic osprey]

Like what you replied to
Strains were made, originally at least, for medicinal reasons

But it obviously failed

[past mason]

I meant, what do you mean by strains?
Do you mean enhancements?

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[zenith sail]

Wtf even is omniraptor never heard of it

[pseudo forge]

omni man but a dinosaur idk

[zenith sail]

😭

[fresh sleet]

Yeah wtf is omniraptor

[zenith sail]

Did they just make up a random name? I can’t find anything online

[acoustic osprey]

utahraptor

[acoustic osprey]

not rare for a sci-fi game

[zenith sail]

Yeah but rare for the isle, since none of the other dinosaurs have made up names. But whatever

[acoustic osprey]

ongoing theory is because it's not a normal dinosaur

But likely AE's version of a magna
or something related to it

[zenith sail]

Oh so “Utah” is like... some weird animal not necessarily based off of an existing dinosaur? If that makes since (only according to the theory of course)

[acoustic osprey]

utahraptor is no longer
it's the "Omni" prefix

[zenith sail]

Regardless

[acoustic osprey]

yes

likely, like Magnas, better versions of Hypers (Strains)
more sustainable, less powerful

[zenith sail]

So omniraptor is theoretically a strain? Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

Variant, more so

[hexed flax]

But Magna Rex is more powerful than the normal Rex. The same can't be for Omniraptor because we no longer would have a normal "Utah"raptor

[acoustic osprey]

Likely because Utahraptor is not even a Utahraptor

Excluding irl utah

Omni meaning all

There is no specific raptor in place