🚀EN - 1.20 Modpack Contribution Megathread

[gloomy elm]

That’s nice

[merry briar]

but it says in the mod description that almost everything is configurable and is made specifically for customization

This mod is very configurable and said config is targeted for pack devs if you want something configurable that isn't already please send me a message or make an issue on GitHub. The defaults I ship are what I feel is good for the mod but ultimately it's there for people to play with.

[gloomy elm]

Yeah that’s the thing

[merry briar]

honestly this backpack feels much more balanced

I still like to have tiered backpacks

but I guess those could be added through this system

[brave cairn]

I think nebby brought up this mod at some point earlier

[merry briar]

did you arrive to any conclusion?

[brave cairn]

I can't remember, it was a while ago

[merry briar]

okay no worries

[gloomy elm]

From what I remember it’s the same as today, lots of work to remove backpack and add this one

[brave cairn]

it did feel like it had a bit too much overlap with what we've already got though

[gloomy elm]

Keeping both is definitely an overlap even if we remove some backpacks

[merry briar]

what bundle thingies or backpacks other than the sophisticated backpacks has the modpack already?

[gloomy elm]

Or keep the backpack but later in the progression idk 🤷‍♂️

[merry briar]

just to put items in

[brave cairn]

vessels, crates

[merry briar]

well I don't really see the overlap

vessels are mainly for physical storage and for long term food storage

crates physical storage

these are items just for having all seeds in one place instead of in 2 chests, or when you go mining to have multiple stacks of tiny rocks in 1 bundle, or just plain comfort for having a balance diet with a lunchbox

plus I think with all the weight system and blah blah blah having the sophisticated backpacks is too op

[brave cairn]

well that also has the opposite problem of now you've gotta manage a bunch of different things instead of just having one backpack

[merry briar]

I think I prefer that

does the size and weight system work on later stages of the modpack?

[brave cairn]

besides ingot stack sizes, not really

oh, and airplanes are very large and very heavy I think

[gloomy elm]

Many items stacked at 32

Even late game

[merry briar]

yeah but I mean transporting stuff mainly

once you have a magical backpack that ignores physics

[gloomy elm]

Well that’s part of the reason

Op backpack are accepted

[merry briar]

yeah but you are ignoring a main mechanic of tfc

[gloomy elm]

Sure but that’s not the only one

I mean at one point

We gonna prefer op QoL mechanic

[brave cairn]

you've also got crates that ignore the size system

framed chests

item vaults

etc

the size system is fine for tfc because you don't need huge amounts of items for anything

but that's not true in tfg

[merry briar]

yeah but all those are for physical storage

and I mean with create 6 item system and AE2 you have a base inventory

[brave cairn]

you can tape up crates to move them around now, and you can glue vaults to a contraption to move stuff that way too

[merry briar]

but it would be cool to have still limits on personal space, size and weight

[merry briar]

yeah

[merry briar]

I think size and weight should really be taken into consideration once the create 6 update is added

if you want to move large quantities of items around your base you should use that system

not you running around filled to the brim with crates and backpacks

but still some things doesnt have a workaround to get rid off like the contraption exploit

Personally Im gonna use this mod for the early game and some things probably still later on like the lunchbox. If you want to at some point just add it in (without changing anything) I think a great approach would be making the first tiered backpack recipe use the backpack this mod has, +1 row and no more size and weight limits

[brave cairn]

multiple backpacks give you a slowness debuff, and tape is consumable and uses a lot of paper which is quite annoying to craft before you get a chem bath

and we did fix being able to put backpacks inside vessels

[merry briar]

oh, cool

not as broken as I thought then

[brave cairn]

I believe there is a minor exploit where you can put a backpack in your cosmetic armor slot as well, but

not a huge issue lol

@zealous atlas thank you!! please also give contributor role to @spiral lintel and @rocky leaf

oh, @pearl gale should have one too for all his ukrainian translations

[spiral lintel]

Using the latest dev version, falling trees mod failed to load. Anyone having this issue?

i'll just remove it from my dev instance

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas I keep getting questions about why the TFG server pack isn't on curseforge, since apparently some server hosts only let you play what's on there instead of letting you upload anything (like aternos)

apparently tfg was removed from aternos today?

[spiral lintel]

happened a few days ago

[zealous atlas]

I said earlier why it is not there, Ford rejected it because of some fashion in it, because of the distribution license

which was not there before

I don't see any new distribution rules.

The only reason is the license, I don't know what it was before
But I don't distribute it outside CurseForge...

[zealous atlas]

I wrote to their support, so we are waiting for an answer.

[zealous atlas]

I'm going to freak out soon and we'll write our own mod manager

[zealous atlas]

Suspected Mods:
Firmalife (firmalife), Version: 2.1.18
at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.eerussianguy.firmalife.common.blockentities.SprinklerBlockEntity.redirect$zjh000$redirectSearchForFluid(SprinklerBlockEntity.java:577)

TerraFirmaGreg (tfg), Version: 0.6.4
    Mixin class: su.terrafirmagreg.core.mixins.common.firmalife.SprinklerBlockEntityMixin
    Target: com.eerussianguy.firmalife.common.blockentities.SprinklerBlockEntity
    at TRANSFORMER/[email protected]/com.eerussianguy.firmalife.common.blockentities.SprinklerBlockEntity.redirect$zjh000$redirectSearchForFluid(SprinklerBlockEntity.java:577)

[zealous atlas]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/35

[rocky leaf]

упс это я косяк, не ту версию миксина отправил😳

[brave cairn]

ooh that still 😩

[brave cairn]

damn it's taking forever for them to respond

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn Can use https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/discussions ?

[brave cairn]

uhhh I think it's unnecessary since we have #1019852413890482186 ?

I didn't even know this existed haha

[zealous atlas]

#👽│modern-github-log message
Then why is this?

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/1028

so I could edit it to this

[zealous atlas]

I think this is a bad example for others

We need to come up with something

[brave cairn]

I think some of the issues can be moved to discussions, like the long term ones

but I think it's good to keep all the "problems" in issues

[clear pumice]

there is a problem with the red steel flask recipe

it looks like it requires silk cloth specifically

[brave cairn]

that's fine

it's the fancy flask, it needs fancy materials

[clear pumice]

you need an ebf to make silk

actually you need HV

[brave cairn]

spiders, man

there's lots of cobwebs in the beneath

[copper solar]

That's on purpose, go check out the beneath!

[spiral lintel]

is there documentation for ftb quests

[brave cairn]

lol, lmao

[spiral lintel]

i take that as a no 💔

[brave cairn]

https://docs.feed-the-beast.com/docs/mods/suite/Quests/Developer/Quests/ there's this but it's really basic

honestly though it's pretty self-documenting, the ingame editor is very powerful

[spiral lintel]

EV aircraft upgrade quest is gone

[brave cairn]

probably from that bad merge we had a couple weeks ago

[gloomy elm]

Do you think we should disable the feature for auto completion

I wonder if that’s what causing the numerous issues we have

[brave cairn]

which feature for auto completion?

[gloomy elm]

When you get an item required for a quest before you finished the dependencies

And you unlock the quest after

[brave cairn]

mm I don't think so

[gloomy elm]

maybe not I only had this issue when I was doing complete instantly

idk why so many are having it though

[mystic sinew]

Shouldn't wool then also be allowed to be used in the fancy coloured steel flask?
Since it has the high quality cloth tag.

[copper solar]

maybe it could, if we wanted it to be. but maybe we want you to go check out the beneath even more. it's not far...

[gloomy elm]

Okay I hope I sent everything in the right order to every branches lol

Quest should be fixed for dev and ready and fixed for space

[mystic sinew]

If you really want it to be Beneath, you could have it be Phantom Silk

[brave cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[coral vault]

wouldnt that prevent peacful players tho

[copper solar]

phantom silk is pretty new. time for a new #silk_cloth tag

[coral vault]

or make a recipe with phantom and one with polycap so the peaceful players have to wait longer :)

[merry briar]

People really play this modpack in peaceful?

There are like 0 threats

[brave cairn]

we could stick it in the bastion chests

they have ender dust for the same reason

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn what do you think about changing the mod to private? It is not easy in many aspects of administration and is more flexible in terms of compatibility with FTB.
Open Parties and Claims to FTB Chunks ?

[brave cairn]

Should be fine with me - there's a field guide page and quest that will need to be changed, since they explain how to chunkload and increase your limit, but that's it

btw, if you want to wipe the server (which I think would be healthy!), the moon's release will be a good time for that, since that should be the last time overworld ores get majorly moved around

I think it'll be ready in june-ish?

[zealous atlas]

deletion is not addition, so if something is missing in the new chunks, it's not a big deal

[brave cairn]

the main thing with the moon is certus quartz and ae2 and titanium being moved

[brave cairn]

anyway I'm gonna take a crack at that damn gregtech material bug today, I think I've got some ideas

[zealous atlas]

I can't edit it to give it the server pack status though. And I hope the new ones will be approved as well.

[brave cairn]

[edgy sierra]

in 0.9.7 any recipe for mortar crashes the client

also maybe the update broke the xaero waypoints? I don't have even one in my server now

but in the instance client the xaero folder is still the same

[brave cairn]

the mortar tool or mortar for bricks?

[edgy sierra]

the crafting of the mortar tool

[brave cairn]

ah that, ye its being worked on - the crash is from auto filling with jei

put the items in the crafting table yourself and it should work

the crash only happens for recipes using a chisel or a needle

[edgy sierra]

yeah, i was able to craft it without the autofilling

though i still can't get the xaero to work

[zealous atlas]

Maybe we should install Dynamic Trees too?

[brave cairn]

lol, I know that was on exception's plans but I think it will cause problems with AFC and tree tapping

I don't really see the benefit of it

also it looks like github fixed milestones

[gloomy elm]

What about Odyssey ?

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/odyssey-claims

The Odyssey series is so much better than FTB

[zealous atlas]

We had it, we tested it, but it was a bit damp

[gloomy elm]

Maybe 2 years ago these days Idk why we keep using FTB when Odyssey is out (for Quests, Chunks and Teams)

But well having FTB is at least easy for everyone

[brave cairn]

I moved some of the old draft items from issues into discussions

[zealous atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/400913133620822016/1373656472298328064

[gloomy elm]

Oh damn that’s nice

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn It could have been done like that

[brave cairn]

oh! I had no idea that was a thing

[brave cairn]

man I wish this material registration race condition bug had an easier repro step that isn't just

restart the game a billion times and hope you find it

cuz I made one change and I've been restarting it for like 30 mins with no repro yet

and I did get one repro before my change on attempt 3?

[brave cairn]

alright I've been restarting for like an hour now. No issues

I think this is fixed?????

[zealous atlas]

shall we make a release on 20.05?
with replacement of open-parties-and-claims
to start the server already with it

[brave cairn]

sure - maybe we could do a 0.9.8 release then as well? I'd love to get that material bug fix out there, it's been causing so many issues

[zealous atlas]

Yes, just prepare everything you want to contribute, the release can be scheduled for tomorrow evening, around the same time

[brave cairn]

alright!

@copper solar how's that PR going for the chisel/needle recipes?

[zealous atlas]

in quests, is there a lot to change regarding open-parties-and-claims?

[brave cairn]

no, just a small thing, I can do it now -- just tell me how people can forceload chunks, and how they can increase the limit

it's these two quests

[copper solar]

The solution I ended up with was just exactly the same thing as what redeix did previously - remove the event.recipes.tfc.damage_inputs_shaped_crafting() wrapper from the recipe. I don't actually know what that does or if it's needed - I'm assuming it just removes durability from the input items that aren't consumed. As far as I can tell there's no difference for the 3x3 craft or a 2x2 craft as notenoughmail suggested, but I can try it out some more today.

If that function does what I think it does I think just getting rid of it and not having durability loss is preferable over a crash that's pretty easy to run into, but then again it IS a bug that should probably be fixed not just swept under the rug.

Anyways I'll do some more testing now actually.

[brave cairn]

that thing is needed otherwise the item gets consumed - if you remember how before we had issues where the horse crank was consuming peoples' chisels

I agree that the durability loss isn't a huge issue, if it comes down to it

[copper solar]

Ahhh is that what it does. I wasn't paying close enough attention then to see if I actually kept the item lol. Right... nm about the durability then. Ok so I'll just do one more sanity check to confirm if notenoughmail's solution does or doesn't work.

[coral vault]

What's weird about this big is that I've never gotten it before. So it confuses me

[brave cairn]

well it's a race condition which means I wouldn't be surprised if it was affected by hardware

[coral vault]

So a poor people issue

[brave cairn]

I have a pretty beefy pc so it might be the opposite lol

[copper solar]

I have a not beefy pc so I think it's indiscriminate ;p

[coral vault]

I have a middle of the line PC so maybe it's a bell-curve?

I wonder if it's actually an issue of which drive it's on 🤔

I have Minecraft on my system drive. Anyone else?

[zealous atlas]

https://bzgc-mc-server.fandom.com/wiki/FTB_Chunks

[copper solar]

Is materials registration done on launch or on join? I noticed the issue said it's fixed by rejoining, but I have to restart my game. If I exit to main menu and rejoin (sp) it happens every single time, when it happens.

[brave cairn]

I've always had to restart my client

[brave cairn]

mine's on c: as well, an SSD

[brave cairn]

hm, it doesn't seem to have any integration with xaero's map? which makes it annoying to claim stuff

[zealous atlas]

yes, that's right, there are several solutions, it's to do the integration yourself later, I don't think it's difficult if you rely on opac and other mods where the integration is done, but not the one we need, or another option, use jmap, everything is already there, also ftb itself already has a map, but I don't like it

there are difficulties anyway, players have to have 2 teams for quests and private, and also the private itself works badly

[brave cairn]

oh

idk if this supports it either, but this https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/blaze-map/ has a plugin that has some nice tfc features https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/cartography

https://media.forgecdn.net/attachments/504/783/2022-10-06_02.png

[zealous atlas]

it has not gained popularity, is rarely updated, if not abandoned at all

regarding another option with a map, there are these options, everything is built-in here, including private on the world map

also if you don't like the interface, it supports the theme system, you can make something unique for the modpack
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/journeymap
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/journeymap-integration

there are many ready examples of implementing compatibility with xaero or ftb, it just takes time

It's up to you to decide, as I only think about the convenience of server administration

[brave cairn]

What I've done is remove the keybind for the FTB Chunks map, so people can still use xaero's. Then, added a keybind for Ctrl+M to open the claim window.

that's a good solution I think, so there aren't "two maps".

there

[civic plinth]

I would also be happy with any option with flexible enough claim config settings so that I could protect the railroad, which we will most likely build after the wipe anyway.

[zealous atlas]

there is a key for this in the inventory menu, I disabled the map, but you can enable it or go from the private menu

[brave cairn]

ah I see it too

shroomlights aren't obtainable from the beneath any more for easy inf light, you can craft them later if you really want

breaking them gives 1 red mushroom block + glowstone dust

also removed them + glowstone blocks from bastion chests, they have glowstone dust + phantom membrane instead

[zealous atlas]

А на гтнх же journeymap стоит?

[civic plinth]

Да

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn you can look at this option, maybe you'll like it?

[brave cairn]

mm, journeymap...

I know xaero's is more lightweight than journeymap

so it's better for performance

[zealous atlas]

don't like it?

[brave cairn]

I don't really have a problem with it but xaeros is nice

[zealous atlas]

Well, in that case, write a compatibility layer

[mystic sinew]

Do the infinite lanterns still spawn around Bastions?
I recall seeing one a couple of versions ago. I think it was a bridge bastion.

[brave cairn]

yes, but they break into tfc lamps and lamp glass

I tried to put filled tfc lamps in the structures but they would just burn out even though they had fuel?

not sure what's up with that

[brave cairn]

@exotic wraith @copper solar @cosmic veldt @coral vault @gloomy elm what we do we think about journeymap, gang

[coral vault]

I have no map mod loyalty

[brave cairn]

xikaro changed from open parties and claims to ftb-chunks because it's more server admin friendly

but xaero's doesn't support ftb-chunks, and journeymap does

so if we keep xaero's we can't claim stuff directly from xaero's map

[cosmic veldt]

i don't quite like journeymap but it's fine

[brave cairn]

I know xaero's is more performant

[civic plinth]

The main problem with the mod that was installed before/is installed now is that it somehow crookedly recorded forceload chunks, that they were periodically disconnected for no reason. We noticed this when we were building teleports around the world

[brave cairn]

which one, open parties and claims?

[civic plinth]

claims

[zealous atlas]

in the case of jmap, there is support for the waystone mod, but maybe xaero has it too, if suddenly needed, for the server, it was once in the plans, as a replacement for teleports

[civic plinth]

Oh no, our crutch solution is under threat.

[brave cairn]

your ae2 teleporters are very cool lol

[exotic wraith]

Before I give my thoughts

What's the problem rn?

[brave cairn]

#1331744604701069393 message

[exotic wraith]

Ohh

I see

I have used journey map before

But

It's not necessarily my favorite map mod

I'll do whatever is best for the mod pack, however

[brave cairn]

@cosmic veldt is there a reason why dandelion needs a chem reactor to turn into latex btw

[cosmic veldt]

it was mostly because both latex flowers already had an extractor recipe (yellow dye), so I felt like putting them in any machine that has parity with extractors would make those recipes feel out of place

it would be nice to have some sort of sidegrade to let people technically be able to crunch out some rubber even without rubber trees and the plants fit neatly into that idea, but I'm not sure where you'd put it

[brave cairn]

vat/vacuumizer?

[cosmic veldt]

vacuumizer would probably make the most sense since all the other rubber extraction is done there yes

[brave cairn]

50mb sea water -> 50mb latex?

bit worse than the chem reactor's 62ish mb

[cosmic veldt]

that sounds pretty alright

the additional heating requirement should make it not the best way to get rubber but still doable in a pinch

[brave cairn]

soda ash too, figured that + sea water was the closest primitive equivalent to sodium hydroxide

[cosmic veldt]

technically latex extraction from goldenrods can be done without chemical treatment from what I researched, it's just not that feasible on a large scale

but yeah this should be good enough in our implementation

[gloomy elm]

I don't really care Xaero was cool but I'm use to Journey Map so it's whatever

[spiral lintel]

performance is the big question

[copper solar]

i dont have any experience outside of xaero

[gloomy elm]

I don't think Journey Map has terrible performance as litterally every modpack with maybe one or two exceptions (one being TFG) are using JourneyMap

[spiral lintel]

apparently it's known that journeymap is significantly heavier than xaero and other competitors

[brave cairn]

I think it'll be ok if we try this setup of xaero's + ftb-claims first, and see how that works

[gloomy elm]

I really don't mind it makes TFG a bit original

Though have to say Way Point management is ten times better with Journey Map

I also believe Journey Map has built in feature to put a way point when using Gregtech Ore Prospector (it may not work for us though)

[brave cairn]

gregtech does actually come with a xaero's plugin for showing where you found indicators and ores

it just only works with its own oregen so we have it disabled

but if anyone wants to try adding tfc compat...

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/1042 @zealous atlas 👍

[exotic wraith]

Server wipe is crazy

maybe i'll start playing there

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas are you gonna reset the world and move server spawn to 0,0? I see people are already finding stuff with spectator lol

[zealous atlas]

I just turned on the new world and gave them an Spectator

Then there will be a new world

[brave cairn]

I see them already searching the caves for ores haha

[brave cairn]

good

[zealous atlas]

@civic plinth

[civic plinth]

I'll be free in a couple of hours. I'll choose a cold spot for spawn :3

[zealous atlas]

Ниделай пока ничего, я с релизом новый мир сделаю

[civic plinth]

А, оке

[brave cairn]

lol, a cold spot again?

put it in the desert this time

[civic plinth]

It is much easier to survive in the desert, just dive into the water from time to time

And snow also slows down movement)

[brave cairn]

not with canes, those are easy to make

I don't know, people always said it was hard to get new players to join because the cold spawn was too evil

[civic plinth]

That's how it should be :3

[brave cairn]

🤔

weird choice but whatever it's not my server ahah

dump them in the ocean instead

or like, a tiny island in the middle of an ocean

[zealous atlas]

@civic plinth Если время есть, можешь закрыть сервер для остальные, по пересоздавать миры, найти красивый и скинь в лс сид

[civic plinth]

Через пару часов разве что смогу этим заняться

[zealous atlas]

Ну я уже сам начал 😄

[brave cairn]

I could look for a fun seed/spawn if you want lol

[zealous atlas]

Let's

[brave cairn]

let's what

[zealous atlas]

Go

[brave cairn]

so I should look for one? sorry, confused

[zealous atlas]

Any one will do, if you want, just change the spawn location

[brave cairn]

ok, let me be sure it has a nice tropical continent at least

[copper solar]

Tiny island :3

[gloomy elm]

A volcanic island would be fun

[brave cairn]

I found a fun seed and sent it to xikaro :3

[brave cairn]

teehee

spawn is on the island on the top middle

[zealous atlas]

@civic plinth у тебя там команда должна быть /ftbchunks claim_as server или что то такое для серверных приватов

[copper solar]

hmmm so about people not reading.. it seems like the lang files don't get updated if you upgrade in place

[zealous atlas]

http://track-map.terrafirmagreg.su:25895/
@civic plinth если будете делать поезда, чекни тут будет ли работать
https://modrinth.com/mod/create-track-map

[zealous atlas]

I think you can add greate to tfgcore in jarinjar format, so that there are no such delays with checking the modpack, as soon as the mod is released, you can remove it

[brave cairn]

do they have to re-check it every single time?

we are still using the same version of greate :/

[zealous atlas]

Yes

[brave cairn]

let me ask the greate dev if they could just put it on curseforge

btw, is the server supposed to have /enderchest enabled?

[exotic wraith]

oh this goes fuckin hard

[brave cairn]

they said they submitted it 🙏

[brave cairn]

I'm selling at a convention this weekend so I'm gonna be busy until next week

[mystic sinew]

I know that there is a Xearo Plus mod. Which has Waystone integration. Along with other features.

[zealous atlas]

We are interested in integration with FTB specifically

[brave cairn]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/greate

the dev is going to upload 0.38 as well since that's the one we use

(.39+ need create 6)

but that should help with the curseforge stuff!

[clear pumice]

there is no recipe to automate stripped logs

[copper solar]

what do you need them for?

[clear pumice]

building

they look good

[brave cairn]

what recipe would be good? deployer holding an axe? cutter already turns logs into lumber, and lathe turns logs into sticks (I think)

I guess changing lathe to turn logs into stripped logs, then stripped logs into sticks would be ok 🤔

can you put in a feature request? unless you want to try making the recipes yourself

[copper solar]

i think lathe is good

[brave cairn]

cool, greate curseforge has 0.38, I'll see if I can change pakku to that

[civic plinth]

@zealous atlas Если игроков будет всё так же много в дальнейшем надо что-то делать с ресурсами сервера

[zealous atlas]

делаем сборы на 60к 😄

как и на прошлом вайпе, в начале, лаги из-за генерации

[civic plinth]

А куда делся WE из плагинов ?

Хотела обустроить тестовую зону

[zealous atlas]

переименуй нормально и ребутни

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas pakku has curseforge greate now 👍

[gloomy elm]

-The primitive pump from GTCEu has been disabled, you must now use the mechanical one from Create.,
-Infinite pumping of water from any water sources is disabled, now the base value of 1 million blocks for an infinite source is set, have fun.,
-The recipe for the endless water cover is disabled, haha.

That was 0.7.3

I guess the goal there was to push people to pump from river and ocean?

[gloomy elm]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/trofers

That could be a cool addition for quests

[brave cairn]

and then later they were changed to just 1 block so who knows

[gloomy elm]

Inconsistency you tell me

Okay so our new Primitive Pump should be LV ? I guess I will use steal casing

[brave cairn]

well we have to see how to make machines via java

[gloomy elm]

you want to make it with java?

why not kbjs?

[brave cairn]

I assume there's a kind of pattern where you describe the vague recipe and it'll generate approximately tiered versions

[brave cairn]

because java is the only way to make the machine not blow up when touching water

as well as add the specific rock breaker behaviour with the two adjacent fluids

[gloomy elm]

Oh I thought that was doable

But why do you want to do a machine block and not a multiblock ?

Primitive Pump is a multiblock

[brave cairn]

cuz rn if you want infinite water anywhere, you need 3 source blocks, a mech pump, a cog, and an electric motor or some other SU generator, and possibly a rotation speed controller, which is not very compact

if you make it a multiblock, you then need to add energy hatches, fluid output hatches, the controller block

and if you make water part of the multiblock itself, then you can only ever use it to make water

[gloomy elm]

I see you would want to use the machine to make other fluids

Like what sea water?

[brave cairn]

I guess, or if we want to use it on other planets for anything else that we want to be infinite

like, idk, some kind of ammonia oceans or whatever

[gloomy elm]

I would prefer we use a fluid rig in these cases though

[copper solar]

Wait the rotten dough mixer thing is new right? Is it because I yeeted all the old mixer recipes?

[brave cairn]

nah it's just the usual "machines don't understand tfc's rotten mechanic" bug

[copper solar]

Ok whew. Though I had tested that in my dev instance and I was getting good dough from my mixer for a while, although I haven't used it since updating the base version

What do you guys do for testing workflow? Do you have a repository in your game directory that you edit directly for immediate changes and can swap branches for, or do you copy and overwrite from local clone to game directory for each change, or is there a better way?

[brave cairn]

I have a repo on my documents folder, then I symlink its kubejs folder into a dedicated minecraft instance

then as I check out different branches, it changes what's in my documents folder, and in turn automatically updates my kubejs folder

I also have my ftbquests folder symlinked, but not the other configs (they have trouble being written to for some reason, if I do that?)

[copper solar]

i got confused about the quests too, i seem to have legacy quest text that definitely doesn't exist in the repository anymore even after updating, needed a fresh instance/install

[gloomy elm]

I made a new repository recently and started fresh

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/pull/16 @uneven reef @civic plinth @elder niche (and anyone else who knows russian)
someone AI generated russian translations, what should we do with it? I don't want to accept it unless humans have gone through and checked that it's actually correct, and I know xikaro wanted to set up a different online tool to manage our translated text and send it to our github automatically

[civic plinth]

I scrolled through the commit a bit and there's some fucking shit going on there.
He needs to proofread this translation before he can suggest a PR.

[coral vault]

Lmao

This image never loses relevance

[zealous atlas]

[brave cairn]

woo

[coral vault]

Sickk (this is good news right?)

[zealous atlas]

One more release and we'll find out

[brave cairn]

I'm alright with doing another release soon if you want

[rocky leaf]

Lunchbox for modpack

[spiral lintel]

recipe needs to be greggified but looks cool

[brave cairn]

whoa that looks sick

[gloomy elm]

This is so cool

[merry briar]

looks so cool

[coral vault]

Good shit

Maybe a version of the ice capsule that uses energy instead 👀

[gloomy elm]

I was thinking about that 👀

How strong is the lunchbox compared to a Cellar? For preservation ?

Vessel is double this one is what 2.5?

Could be great if it’s in the config

[rocky leaf]

Yes, 2.5 for testing. I'll add a config with settings

[brave cairn]

I don't suppose this has given you any ideas about how to make non-tfc machines work with food recipes? 👀

[rocky leaf]

Which recipes need to be checked? I'll try to come up with something

[coral vault]

Basically non-tfc mods don't understand item stack providers/modifiers so we can't make recipes that rely on expiration date, heat, salted, brined, etc. for instance the mixer recipe for dough can produce rotten food, and can't check it the input is rotten

[brave cairn]

yeah, or putting rotten grain in a macerator can give fresh flour

right now, the new food item gains the "creation date" of whenever the last server start time was (or loading time for single player)

it makes it difficult to do any sort of automation with food stuff

tbh, if it's easier, a new "food processor" machine that just does whatever food recipes we want and handles this mechanic would also work

[coral vault]

I'm guessing if you can get it working with gtceu then maybe it will work with greate? If not, honestly I think getting it to work with gtceu is good enough

[brave cairn]

if it's a greg machine so it can use EU and have tiers? great

if not then that's ok too

I thiiiiiink that greg machines created in java can do whatever logic with recipe code so you might be able to do something with the tfc item stack providers there? I'm just guessing

[topaz jacinth]

BUG:
Game crashes 100% of the times when opening "Coke oven hatch" recipe WHILE having the materials (coke oven brick and any barrel) in inventory AND while acessing a crafting table.
may seem very speciffic but it will happen 80% of gameplays since blast furnace and bloomery almost requires a coke oven running

it has happened to me 4 times already, in two different servers and i can replicate it. its not random.

i dont know how to report properly sorry

[rocky leaf]

@brave cairn for balance, how much liquid per tick should I set the consumption?

[brave cairn]

of the planter? uhh I think the same as the sprinklers? or just 1mb? it's not really a big deal 😅

thanks so much for tackling that one!! glad to have you around

[rocky leaf]

ok, i'll do a couple of tests and send the pr

[gloomy elm]

What a boss!

[copper solar]

Yessss rice. And whatever else goes in those planters but riccceee yeee

[rocky leaf]

Everything seems to work. PR submitted. Also fixed the sprinkler mixin — it was functioning without pipes/water 😄

[brave cairn]

wonderful

[spiral lintel]

simplified clutter in the boat quests and added horse and cart quests. Thoughts?

also re-added the missing EV aircraft upgrades quest

[gloomy elm]

looks good

[brave cairn]

less clutter good!

[spiral lintel]

default astikor cart keybind needs to be something other than R, because that's also the reload shaders button

reloads shaders every time you want to attach a cart

[brave cairn]

I remember rebinding mine to C in my own playthrough

we could probably use the same as the gregtech change armor mode key, since you're not gonna use carts by the time you have night vision goggles probably? or maybe the jetpack toggle hover mode key

[spiral lintel]

i have no clue how to set up default keybinds

oh toggle shaders and that tfc map viewer also conflict

mmm default options allows you to, will check it out later

[brave cairn]

there's a config file for it

[gloomy elm]

I think you changed it for everyone

or someone

but it wasn't R natively I believe

R is also Toolbelt so if shadders is still a bind we could simply unbind it

no one needs to reload shadder

[merry briar]

Im so happy that there are planes now

[merry briar]

just move the shaders button or something

[merry briar]

exactly

that's what I did

[spiral lintel]

we should just unbind the shader buttons. If you're going out of your way to install shaders, then set up the keybinds yourself!

[copper solar]

are anthracite veins broken?

[brave cairn]

someone else sent us a bug for them yeah

[coral vault]

Seems like everything is broken. I say we just give up

[brave cairn]

🔥 🔥

[brave cairn]

time for money

[civic plinth]

WHERE !?

😄

[brave cairn]

at a uk furry convention lmao

[civic plinth]

Far from London?

[brave cairn]

birmingham!

[civic plinth]

I'll ask a friend if he wants to buy something 😄

[brave cairn]

tell them my online shop is 20% off if they use the code CFZ25

[vocal phoenix]

is the saying that furry artists are rich true?

[brave cairn]

the artists? no lol

it's the ones who own fursuits who are rich

or who pay for lots of commissions

[brave cairn]

lol I think someone has a zabivaka fursuit

[copper solar]

glhf!

[coral vault]

Leave that Vaporeon alone 😭

[spiral lintel]

bro is in my hometurf

[brave cairn]

I'm at one of the hotels near the NEC

[spiral lintel]

there's space for only one terrafirmagregger is brum

[brave cairn]

alright then come fight me in the parking lot

[coral vault]

My votes on the one with all the padding

[brave cairn]

lol I don't have my suit with me, no space

[coral vault]

Okay, even playing field

[brave cairn]

cheemscake

this is the car park we're fighting in btw

[brave cairn]

ahh the one I saw is a little different, but it was a similar color and had the goggles!

[brave cairn]

any russian speaker who could double check that the translation here is ok? https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/1074/files

[brave cairn]

I'm baaaaaack pls check github reviews, guys

[gloomy elm]

Pyritie was out for a week all of us disappeared 😂

[coral vault]

I was on vacation too 😁

Went on a hiking trip for a few days

[spiral lintel]

where are the ore indicators

[brave cairn]

what rock type is that

[spiral lintel]

bro pressed F1

[coral vault]

Basalt

The area there is mostly basalt and rhyolite. It is also known for having a lot of agates and chalcedony

as for ore; iron

[brave cairn]

a decent base location for sure

[coral vault]

nah, no way to get flux

[brave cairn]

ah unfortunate

[gloomy elm]

So cool I’m planning one in two weeks too

[coral vault]

nice, have fun out there

[gloomy elm]

The needs to get out of the city for a few days is getting stronger with summer coming

[coral vault]

i feel the need every day of the week 😔

[gloomy elm]

Im missing the equipment for winter camping

[brave cairn]

the one thing I miss about selling my car, I live pretty close to some nice hiking areas but no way to get to them

(I only went to them like once a year even when I did have my car so who am I kidding?)

[coral vault]

lol

i bet its a bit better for you at least. In the US I cant get anywhere without a car

the trail I went to was a 3.5hr drive away lol

[brave cairn]

yeah that's the main reason I sold it - everything I needed to get to I could do with a bike and public transport, so it was just a money hole of annual maintenance/insurance

[coral vault]

sounds nice tbh

[brave cairn]

europe moment

[copper solar]

You can use all that money you saved to rent a nice RV for a weekend for way less, and camp in style

[brave cairn]

it was a tag issue

[copper solar]

how does that work? tag for rock type it can spawn in?

wait is this about the anthracite or graphite veins

[brave cairn]

anthracite not spawning

[copper solar]

oops i just closed the graphite vein pr hah. oh well i need to redo that from tools anyway

i'm trying to see if there's a way vscode can run the tool or if i need visual studio

[brave cairn]

basically, there's a tag to say which veins to spawn in the nether, and they were still using the beneath's "cursecoal" (which we renamed to anthracite) veins, instead of pointing to our new ones

[brave cairn]

I don't see why it wouldn't

also damn xikaro that was fast

[copper solar]

ahh yeah it can, just needed an extension

[brave cairn]

also, review on this pls https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Tools-Modern/pull/18

I think we're about ready for another release soon

then we can see if the server pack works this time

[gloomy elm]

I need to do some small fixes on quests before

I forgot to do them

Doing it right now

[copper solar]

Ok so I changed the graphite vein rarity in tools-modern, ran orestofieldguide and it generated all the moon pages and all the existing pages show as modified in modpack-modrn, even though there were no changes (except the graphite one). Do I just discard all the irrelevant changes and put up a pr for both tools-modern and modpack-modern?

[gloomy elm]

The change on ore veins are on the space branch

What’s the issue with Graphite?

Rarity is already extremely low

[brave cairn]

yeah I am a little concerned if they generated chunks back when graphite was only in maybe a third of all the rock types instead of literally all of them

but also yes, just discard all the moon pages and veins

https://github.com/JeweyxD/Forge-Rosia-1.20.1/releases/tag/v1.0.0

a mod just came out that adds a lot of electric tfc things

most of this overlaps with what we've got already, BUT it has electric food machines!!!

[brave cairn]

@rocky leaf @cedar river

I will def be having a play around with this but if it's got all we need, our automated food processing problems might be over 👀

[cedar river]

wow, amazing! Thank you!

[rocky leaf]

wow, i made a port too 🤣

[brave cairn]

wow really! how's that going?

[rocky leaf]

There are some bugs, but it works well 😄. However, I see the author added something new for 1.20.1 that's clearly better

[brave cairn]

would you prefer if we used your one? or the one I linked?
I will probably disable most of it except for the electric food-related machines, because the others all overlap a lot with gregtech. Maybe keep the other crucible heat sources too.

[rocky leaf]

I think it's better to use the original . I'll finish up the lunchbox then

Lava basin+crucible=light heating of the crucible ❤️

[brave cairn]

which is the original?

[rocky leaf]

#1331744604701069393 message this

[brave cairn]

ok got it 👍

we can work on this for 0.9.10

[rocky leaf]

we should try to invite the author here

[brave cairn]

are you in the tfc server? they have a thread there

[rocky leaf]

nope

[brave cairn]

I made a thread over there for your death mod too

it's where all the tfc addons live

[brave cairn]

@gloomy elm, @young relic is trying to set up one of our tools on linux, do you remember what you had to do to run them on macos? I'm thinking it'll be similar

[gloomy elm]

Honestly I don’t really know. I installed so many things to have it finally working on VS Code

[gloomy elm]

Mostly everything overlaps yeah

We are still screwed because we cant make food with Gregtech or Create

I wonder with all the modpacks with TFC and Create. Isn’t there at least one of them that successfully solve the issue?

[brave cairn]

I'm suggesting we just use these machines instead of gregtech or create

[gloomy elm]

That’s a way to solve the issue

But it’s definitely just a bandaid

I gonna add a massive quest saying HV+ quests aren’t up to date

[brave cairn]

idk 🤔 it's not like you're gonna need a LuV tier microwave or something lol

[cedar river]

i'm sorry, what kind of tools? Maybe i can try to install it? oh, translation tools. I see

[young relic]

@gloomy elm I was wondering how to use the Executable binary from linux-x64, what are the parameters to pass for the LanguageMerger

[gloomy elm]

No but it’s easier to automate and would have make sense

[gloomy elm]

I used VS Code to execute the language merger

I never succeed in running it out of it

I can look which plugin I installed on VS Code give me an hour 🙏

[young relic]

Ok 🤓

[brave cairn]

true, but something is better than nothing - maybe I'll look into how to make a gregtech machine in java and that could shed some light on how to connect up tfc stuff

[gloomy elm]

Nah I agree and anyway it’s not like I’m the one able to bring a solution lol

Im just amazed no one brought a solution already as we definitely are not the only one being confronted to this issue

That would be amazing and having a culinary machine would fit greatly anyway

[gloomy elm]

Is there a new core for dev instance?

[young relic]

Thanks @gloomy elm , i got it working!! Now, lets get it translated hehe

[gloomy elm]

I should continue my work on lang formate

so it's easy to do the translating

[brave cairn]

yo tom if you're in a multiblock mood, how about making a Larger Chemical Reactor?

[gloomy elm]

For very late game? Because LCR has subtick and perfect OC

it would be hard to make a Larger Chemical Reactor that is better than the LCR

[brave cairn]

yeah in like, late IV or LuV or something maybe

for the parallels mostly

[gloomy elm]

I don't think it would be worth it at LuV because of subtick on the LCR

Subtick is a native parallel

[brave cairn]

oh

well okay then

[gloomy elm]

It can be a good multiblock but if it can accepts laser hatch for example

which I don't think we are at the point of needing them

[brave cairn]

nahhh

I just remember a couple people asking for a big lcr

[gloomy elm]

yeah usually subtick isn't a really well known mechanic

it's in the energy chapter now though

[brave cairn]

neat

[gloomy elm]

can even go to 256 :p

that's 16A of UHV though lol

The Large Machine also have subtick but I think it's limited to 4 parallel

[kindred cove]

It is probably a stupid question but since I'm stuck I have to ask it. I think this is the thread to ask, but sorry in advance :

I'm unable to build core-modern.

When I type .\gradlew.bat build the powershell output :

Execution failed for task ':compileJava'.
> Could not resolve all files for configuration ':compileClasspath'.
   > Could not find net.minecraftforge:forge:1.20.1-47.1.3_mapped_parchment_2023.09.03-1.20.1.

In before : I have installed java SDK 21. I have typed .\gradlew.bat and this part was successful.

I've not found a contributing guide dedicated to core-modern, so I'm a bit (totally) lost.
I also did not find any relevant answer by using the search function on this Discord.

[brave cairn]

I use intellij, with this build thing on the side

[kindred cove]

Thanks for answering.
I've installed VScode because visual studio was very heavy.
For some reason I dont find the file tree you screenshoted.
Is the full visual studio mandatory ?
edit : looking for "intellij" extensions brings a looot of extensions.

[cedar river]

now you need to install java support extensions

try to install "Extension Pack for Java"

[brave cairn]

intellij is a separate application made by a different company. I don't have any experience using VSCode (I use visual studio for the modpack stuff) so I don't know what to suggest

[cedar river]

(i'm sorry i must go to sleep, but if it will not helps, try to change java 21 to java 17(not sure if it will helps))

[kindred cove]

Thanks for the help :3
It installed JDK 24 by itself but I found where to put it back to 21
(good night)

[cedar river]

if vscode build fails, try to run from terminal ./gradlew.bat clean then ./gradlew.bat build

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/1088

in other news I'm experimenting with some gregtech api stuff for recycling

in theory we should be able to do this in the material modification event:
ChemicalHelper.registerMaterialInfo('greate:steel_millstone', ['3x steel', '1x wrought_iron'])
and it'll just generate the appropriate recycling recipes

(testing it now)

I don't know how to handle amounts less than an ingot though

trying to copy old code from tfg-core

if it's not possible to do it through kjs normally, I might have to set up our own helper method 🤔

[brave cairn]

it doesn't look like it's quite possible outside of java atm but apparently it's getting a big improvement in the next major version

maybe I'll set up a crude java helper method in the meantime

[kindred cove]

For debugging purpose, how to write a message in the player chat in java please ?
Maybe it isnt the best way to output some debug info ?

[brave cairn]

I don't know about the chat, but console.log() writes to the log file

[kindred cove]

I dont find references to console.log( in core-modern, only in modpack-modern 🤔

[brave cairn]

oh in core!

sorry I misread

uhhhhh I think system.out.println will write to the log? not sure

what are you working on, btw?

[kindred cove]

I'm trying to take a look at the Create steam boiler not accepting river water (since I've basically to learn everything, it doesnt go fast 😅 . I found the class and method I want to overwrite but I'm nowhere near completion)

[brave cairn]

ah cool!

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/pull/1082 @cosmic veldt what do you think of this?

[cosmic veldt]

I think it's fine just for early automation and it'll fit with the vacuum chamber kind of being the rubber making machine it is currently

but on the other hand you wouldn't start making rubber without the vac chamber either, so this kinda makes the vat recipe a non-issue entirely, idk how I feel about that

[gloomy elm]

I like the idea that things have to be manually for some time

[copper solar]

I hate the oven and everything involving it. I wanted to like it but it's just too fiddly.

[brave cairn]

firmalife moment

[brave cairn]

yeah, that's my main concern, I like the whole "thing is annoying before it's easier" which you'd also get by graduating to the LV machines

[cosmic veldt]

the vat is finnicky but it really isn't all that bad for doing big batches of stuff

[gloomy elm]

There is a fine line between bothering things

and the reward to get easier process

Vat isn't that bad anyway

[brave cairn]

yeah especially because of how easy wax is now

[gloomy elm]

And we should be cautious about keeping rewards at lv

I think it's okay if rubber can't be fully automated before LV

We could nerf a bit the first recipe so at least vulcanized latex automatize at lv has even better wield

so the steam age line is preserved and you still need the VAT but it's better

can't speak engligh this morning damn

[brave cairn]

I do think the vacuumizer gives a bit too much latex from logs yeah, makes the tapping kinda irrelevant

[gloomy elm]

We could nerf both the centrifuge from logs and the vacuum

makes tapping rubber better and it can be fully automated at LV with the vulcanized rubber process

much more fun than the centrifuge into rubber

we keep the VAT for ULV

big rewards at LV

if you have automated tapping and vulcanized with Chemical Reactor

[brave cairn]

alright lemme take a look at the current recipe chain

[kindred cove]

When I though I finally came near to a solution, the game crash after entering the world. 😔
The error states my mixin override target isFluidValid is not in the class BoilerData$BoilerFluidHandler, so I must be missing something.

The error is worded : [..]InvalidMixinException Overwrite target "isFluidValid" was not located in target class com/simibubi/create/content/fluids/tank/BoilerData$BoilerFluidHandler

A summary of BoilerData, that contains BoilerFluidHandler, that contains isFluidValid :

public class BoilerData {
//lots of stuff

public class BoilerFluidHandler implements IFluidHandler {
    //stuff
    @Override
    public boolean isFluidValid(int tank, FluidStack stack) {
        return FluidHelper.isWater(stack.getFluid());
    }
}```

My mixin : 
```java
@Mixin(value = BoilerFluidHandler.class, remap = false)
public class BoilerFluidHandlerMixin {
    @Overwrite
    public boolean isFluidValid(int tank, FluidStack stack){ 
      return FluidHelper.isWater(stack.getFluid()) || (TFCFluids.RIVER_WATER.get() == stack.getFluid());
    }
}```

Sorry for the wall of text.

[brave cairn]

I think you're missing some arguments on your @Overwrite, check some of our other mixins for how they do it?

like the gregtech boiler mixin

[kindred cove]

yes, the gregtech boiler mixin was invaluable to get me on track.
But he doesnt do an Overwrite, he does a complicated Redirect, whose syntax is still very obscure to me even after I spent the whole afternoon on this single task.

[brave cairn]

in intellij, I can view the gregtech class, then right-click and do this to copy that complicated path

[kindred cove]

I found the related Create class on Create Github, how can Intellij work with external things like this ?
Also, do we have to Pakku fetch on core-modern, like on modpack-modern ?

[brave cairn]

no, core is just the java mod

you'll have to copy /build/libs/TerraFirmaGreg-Core-Modern.jar into the mods folder of your TFG instance though

[kindred cove]

Thanks

[brave cairn]

try this path Lcom/simibubi/create/content/fluids/tank/BoilerData$BoilerFluidHandler;isFluidValid(ILnet/minecraftforge/fluids/FluidStack;)Z

[kindred cove]

I want to bash myself. As Pyritie said the @overwrite didnt match the definition. It was because I did not import the good FluidStack 🤦 I didnt know there was multiple.
Now the create boiler can run out of river water.
Lets try to add gregtech steam as suggested.

[brave cairn]

@zealous atlas please stop overwriting config/jei/recipe-category-sort-order.ini, things are in the order they are for a reason

[zealous atlas]

it's pointless, every time you launch the client it changes the way it is now in the last commit
I didn't change anything manually

[brave cairn]

...oh right, the jei one isn't used, emi has its own recipe order configs

[zealous atlas]

that is, the user's final list is not what you intended

[brave cairn]

also, it looks like you removed tfc-punishment-for-death?

[zealous atlas]

Yes, let the author first fix all the errors, in particular with the server

[brave cairn]

which errors? I thought he fixed the issue with PlayerRevive

[zealous atlas]

nope

[brave cairn]

🤔

well ok

[zealous atlas]

error connecting

[brave cairn]

@rocky leaf

fingers crossed the server pack works this time 🤞

[zealous atlas]

Well, they didn't reject it right away, which means there is a chance

If you have time, make me a list of role names by development levels and it would also be cool if someone made or found pictures for these roles

[brave cairn]

what kind of levels?

[zealous atlas]

for discord roles, lv, mv

[brave cairn]

ooh like that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167131539046400010/1366898168830103612/image.png?ex=683a2b9f&is=6838da1f&hm=3646b9977260f2356d4da4ea7528d787d9d17e0093626d450e4dca26e6dc931c&

what about the universal circuits?

[gloomy elm]

Is there a possible licence issue?

[brave cairn]

or something like, a rock for primitive, a cog for steam, then the appropriate tier circuit for the others?

or just some colored pixel text like you see ingame, for readability

[gloomy elm]

I mean HV could also be a moon

etc...

[brave cairn]

mm, keeping them all having a similar theme would also be nice

I'm about to go to bed but I can try some stuff tomorrow unless anyone has a better idea!

[gloomy elm]

True that having three times the earth for ULV/LV/MV would be a bit repetitive lol

[coral vault]

I could make sprites if meeded

It might also be helpful to distinguish type of devs. Like translator, quest writer... Etc

[gloomy elm]

Need the Swiss Knife lol

[brave cairn]

for dev stuff I was thinking more like, distinguishing people who have powers on github vs those that don't, since the former are more "trusted" I guess

[coral vault]

That's a good idea. We should also separate devs based on race, gender, religion etc

[gloomy elm]

that's the easiest way

Ahaha

[coral vault]

Can't let those filthy quest writers have too much authority

[brave cairn]

one role for the french, another for the rest of us

[coral vault]

Shouldn't the french just get banned?

[gloomy elm]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-in-the-hall-dave-foley-smoking-smoke-french-gif-12594369867670974500

what was this poor cat

[coral vault]

Bruh I never listened to the audio before I posted that

[gloomy elm]

right before I put my headphone on

lucky me

[coral vault]

https://youtu.be/2ePGIhstJ2Y?si=rTH8ZABj7lQLcKEW

This one is better

[gloomy elm]

what am I looking at

[coral vault]

A special needs cat named Rigby peeing on the camera

[gloomy elm]

[coral vault]

Watch the whole 10 hours it just gets better

I'm listening to an audio book at work, and after a bit it just decided to replay the video of the cat pissing. So I just had to listen to him pissing for like 10 mins before my hands were free to change the audio source.

[brave cairn]

o I'm purple now

[gloomy elm]

damn the rocket looks cool

[brave cairn]

damn I can't believe this is a crypto server now

to le moon!! or something idk

[coral vault]

Kaolin coin going up

[zealous atlas]

For team members, to be visible in the repository, change your status, via the link
https://github.com/orgs/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/people

[zealous atlas]

I often see this as a cause of crashes

[brave cairn]

hm, I don't see anything in there that's our code, let me ask in the tfc server

[cedar river]

their github said it is because of distant horizon mod, but i don't know how it may be connected to server crash( or it is not)

[zealous atlas]

[brave cairn]

WOO

worth posting in #📰│modern-news tbh so all the aternos users are happy

[zealous atlas]

I think it's worthwhile to simply disable export for Spartak or, even better, server side for him

[gloomy elm]

From our discussion on Vulcanized Rubber I was thinking we could have a go at the rubber processing line

[cedar river]

it seems "ores to mB" info in tips is broken in 0.9.9

i have only one idea why it happens: because of performance optimizations (but i absolutely not sure)

[brave cairn]

mm, that usually means the melting recipes are broken which means lots of recipes are broken 😩

[brave cairn]

I don't think spark needs to be included in everyone's modpack - it's the sort of thing you add to figure out a problem, then remove it when you're done, right?

[cedar river]

oh, thanks!

[brave cairn]

did you get any errors from kubejs?

[gloomy elm]

I know with Prism you can put mods on "optionnal"

maybe that could be a good compromise but I don't know how Curse manage these optional mods

[zealous atlas]

it's always on the servers

[gloomy elm]

Most modpacks have it because I believe it's better for performance?

To be fair most of mac users know that we have to remove Spark

could be nice if we have a place to write to remove it if you are a mac user

maybe on the Curse page?

[zealous atlas]

Regarding recipes, it is worth looking at FastSuite

[brave cairn]

if you do that then we might as well add tfc-caelum back, lol

[gloomy elm]

we could but TFC Caelum seems to have many others issues

with shadders

[brave cairn]

I'll check when I'm home

[zealous atlas]

you can disable backgroundProfiler in Spark and check if there is an error

[brave cairn]

does it? it worked ok for me

[gloomy elm]

I read that on the tfc discord I think

I may be wrong

[brave cairn]

it makes the sun glow be in the wrong place sometimes but that's about it

[gloomy elm]

🤷‍♂️

Then why not I don’t know

I think it sux that you can’t configure optional mods with Curse

[brave cairn]

or have a mod be on certain OSes only

[cedar river]

no, i'm sorry

and removing FastSuite mod from game instance not fixes issue with missing mB info in tips

[brave cairn]

is it still gone after a restart? can you melt the ore in a crucible?

[cedar river]

oh, i don't have crucible yet, sorry will try in single player

[brave cairn]

oh is it missing on the server?

[cedar river]

oh, i'm sorry. It seems yes, it's on server issue. Locally i can see this info:

[brave cairn]

🤔 🤔 🤔

very weird

[cedar river]

hm, but i don't have fastsuite now, i will return it and restart game in single player and will check again

[brave cairn]

please!

[cedar river]

(sorry)

[brave cairn]

no I mean like, please do! I appreciate your help!

[cedar river]

Hmm, still have melting info in tip in single player with fastsuite, so i suppose it is not fastsuite related

[brave cairn]

hmmm

[brave cairn]

#💬│modern-chat-en message

someone else had all their stuff deleted on death on the official server, without tfc-death-punishment

so it's not that mod's fault

[zealous atlas]

the error was not only in this, but in the error connecting to the server in general

[brave cairn]

🤔 any idea what's causing it?

[slow forge]

Is this error supposed to be here? Just pulled from dev

[coral vault]

You need to update tfg-core

[slow forge]

ahhh, is there any instruction on how to do that?

[gloomy elm]

I usually wait for Pyritie to drop the lastest here lol

[coral vault]

I would if I was home 😩

[slow forge]

fair enough lol, tbh it isn't causing any issues so

[coral vault]

I think if you download 0.9.9 the tfg-core should be up to date

When did you last update your dev instance?

You probably just have to do another pakku fetch

[brave cairn]

it should yeah

[slow forge]

ah yeah that was it, ty

[brave cairn]

man I'm tempted to just remove Better Foliage, it constantly looks ugly for some people and it doesn't even work with all the afc leaves

[coral vault]

Probably tbh. Could just be one of those optional mods like distant horizons

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/wiki/[EN]-Suggested-additional-mods I did make this page a while back

[brave cairn]

yooo

well that part's not working, but it's a start

[coral vault]

Thermal expansion is knocking at the door. What do we do?

[brave cairn]

idk what else to call it!

[coral vault]

Nah it's fine lol. What if it can collect different liquids depending on the dimension? Like the air collector

[brave cairn]

can't call it a "pump" because that's what this thing is called

which I have no idea what it even does btw

[coral vault]

Apparently it's the best way to empty oceans

[brave cairn]

ah it's a gregtech hose pulley

interesting

if you put it over a 3x1 or 2x2 area of sources it will drain them

whereas this new block is basically a rock breaker but for fluids

[brave cairn]

but otherwise yeah I'm sure it can - the recipe will say which two fluids it wants next to it, then the rest is just a normal recipe - say the dimension, duration, power usage, etc

[coral vault]

I see I see 🤔

[brave cairn]

rn I'm using the same textures as the Item Collector because that's another machine I don't think people know exists lol

I think I might take the "big fan" texture it has on its top, and put it on both sides instead? and that should look ok

[coral vault]

What if the sides looked like a peristaltic pump

[brave cairn]

I mean if you wanna make the textures for it, be my guest :p

https://github.com/GregTechCEu/GregTech-Modern/tree/1.20.1/src/main/resources/assets/gtceu/textures/block/machines examples

I don't think it's worth bothering with though

[coral vault]

Yeah, just do whatever. I can change it later

[brave cairn]

it lives!

some recipes

water, salt water both ulv, lava is hv

identical recipes for both overworld and beneath

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Core-Modern/pull/41

[coral vault]

Sickk

[coral vault]

https://youtu.be/Hj0md4BcM9w

[brave cairn]

ooooh very cool

[zealous jolt]

There are resource packs that do more or less the same thing, idk if they have the same issues or are more or less resource intensive tho

[brave cairn]

they don't work with tfc/afc leaves either

[zealous jolt]

Ah, I see.

[gloomy elm]

I know I should feel okay about this machine but it’s so strong

But I guess with Create it already exists

[coral vault]

@brave cairn unfortunately I have to work today. So I can work on getting the enums working when iI get home tonight. Unless you wanted to do it.

Or you can just merge the request, and I can update it later

[brave cairn]

it's ok! I'm not in a rush

[coral vault]

your idea should work tho

[brave cairn]

alrighty! yeah I'm procrastinating on some other stuff I should be doing too lol

I'll take a look at https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/1108 since I think it's blocking them

tl;dr some broken assembly line recipes with the different stack sizes we have

[coral vault]

Do we know the cause of the melting mb thing being absent sometimes?

[brave cairn]

I think it's one of the optimization mods that xikaro added right before 0.9.9 released, but I can't check because it only happens on servers

[coral vault]

I think one more optimization mod will do the trick

[gloomy elm]

Maybe it’s Spark

[brave cairn]

does spark actually change anything? I thought it was just a perf analysis tool

[coral vault]

Yeah I don't really think spark would be an issue

[brave cairn]

is there anyone with their own server who could go through and try removing all the new performance mods to see if one of them is fucking with the tooltips?

[zealous atlas]

you can download the server pack and just run it parallel to the client

[brave cairn]

😩

[copper solar]

I can try later tonight

[brave cairn]

https://github.com/TerraFirmaGreg-Team/Modpack-Modern/issues/1102#issuecomment-2925667651

this person tried and apparently the new mods aren't the problem

[brave cairn]

I guess I'll see how to run my own server ugh

might try with 0.9.8's pakku and see if it's there too

oh yeah role icons uhhhhhh

that sounds more fun, I've been doing bugfixing all day lol

[brave cairn]

what do we think, chat

a rock for primitive -> an ingot for iron? steel? -> not sure if we need steam? -> circuits for the rest
a wrench for contributors, an electric wrench for team

alternatively, a gear for "industrial" to match up with quests, and just let people decide whether they think they're industrial or not

[copper solar]

I don't have much input besides that I think it would be nice to have a way to differentiate between 0.7 and 0.9 players

[brave cairn]

idk, there's not very many of those left and their numbers keep dwindling

[copper solar]

Got it, so assume everyone is on 0.9 and when they admit they aren't we shame them into upgrading ;p

[brave cairn]

bingo!

[coral vault]

I vibe with it!

What does xikaro and exception get?

[brave cairn]

idk, whatever they want :p

tfg logo is fine honestly

only thing I'd suggest is renaming their role from DEVS to like, Project Lead or something

[coral vault]

Makes more sense to me

[brave cairn]

alright, got my own server running, and I can confirm that going to the version of pakku before xikaro's optimization mods still has the tooltip issue

[brave cairn]

don't see anything suspicious in the logs of the server either

man

how does something like this even happen

gregnight for now but I could try using the .9.8 modlist with .9.9 code and see what happens

[coral vault]

I think tooltips are handled on the client side of things. So maybe it's some weird desync between clients and server?

[brave cairn]

possibly, but I have no idea what could've changed to cause this issue

[topaz jacinth]

sorry to bother pyritie

could you please tempban this bozo crashin the server?

[coral vault]

I don't know if pyritie has control over the server

[gloomy elm]

Ask Xikaro for that

[topaz jacinth]

pyritie was online thought she could/would but no need for that the one who was crashing was doing it unintentionally and realized what was going on

[brave cairn]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/ftb-quests-optimizer I wonder if this mod is causing everyone to suddenly have so many problems with quests not completing

it was only added in 0.9.9 and most quests worked fine before then (besides that damn kaolin clay one)

[brave cairn]

I think I may have found out the cause of the tooltip bug

[cedar river]

wow! Amazing! I just came home with hope to check this issue 😄

[brave cairn]

it's modernfix

5.21 works ok -- 5.23 is missing tooltips

[cedar river]

oh!

[cedar river]

i installed 5.22, and it's not works either. So it's broke in 5.22 already, it seems. Will try to revert to 5.21 too, and interesting: this mod have config for minecraft experts 😄 maybe playing with its settings will help somehow, if we will find root cause

[brave cairn]

alright!!

[rocky leaf]

👀

[cedar river]

Yes, 5.21 works for me too! Yayy! Thank you very much Pyritie! :3

[brave cairn]

that pot model looks a little off with the art style haha

[rocky leaf]

[rocky leaf]

@brave cairn Psst, I've made a build here — testing needed

[zealous atlas]

@brave cairn

[brave cairn]

[brave cairn]

okayyyy did you see what xikaro said about tfc-death-punishment again btw

[rocky leaf]

yep

[zealous atlas]

revert to version 5.23

[brave cairn]

bruh how did you figure out that it was this config setting

[zealous atlas]

testing